0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 13 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 26      Contents: eXcursion & CDE  Re: eXcursion & CDE  Re: Experience with VS80/DLT1?> Fibre channel:  Is the INIT/ERASE function built into the HBA? Re: From the Rdb maillist...) RE: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail B Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morningB Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morningB Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning+ Re: Independent VMS crash analysis service. ' Re: Looks like AMD has deep pockets now  Re: Microvax Floating point  Re: Microvax Floating point  Re: Microvax Floating point  Re: Microvax Floating point * Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today? Network install of VMS Re: Network install of VMS Re: Network install of VMS Re: Network install of VMS, Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux), Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux), Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux), Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux), Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux), Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux), RE: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux) Newbie to OpenVMS. Re: Newbie to OpenVMS. Re: Newbie to OpenVMS. Press Release from Fortel " READ ONLY TRANSACTIONS ARE HANGING SMTP to foreign mail protocol ? # Re: SMTP to foreign mail protocol ?  smtp to vmsmail  Re: smtp to vmsmail " Re: The need for reliable desktops" Re: The need for reliable desktops" Re: The need for reliable desktops trivia curiousity question Re: trivia curiousity question! Re: unknown Qbus SCSI controller?  Re: VAX Arch Hdbk  Re: What does RWCLU mean?  Wireless Ethernet + Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year) ? [OT} Fraud Championship (was: I just wanted to share a note...) C RE: [OT} Fraud Championship (was: I just wanted to share a note...)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 05:59:35 -0800+ From: Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre)  Subject: eXcursion & CDE= Message-ID: <a39f53b1.0301130559.6c2c3df5@posting.google.com>    hello,( it's very easy to run CDE from eXcursion? (cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession.exe) but this run CDE "full  screen".  D is it possible to have it run *without* the background ? I only wantE the botom windows (the one with the clock, the exit button, etc.) and ) the windows this one span (decterm, etc.)    TIA, Pierre.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:02:58 +0100 . From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si> Subject: Re: eXcursion & CDE1 Message-ID: <LuAU9.2721$tQ1.133753@news.siol.net>   	 Hi Pierre   8 "Bru, Pierre" <Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr> wrote in message7 news:a39f53b1.0301130559.6c2c3df5@posting.google.com...  > hello,* > it's very easy to run CDE from eXcursionA > (cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession.exe) but this run CDE "full 
 > screen". > F > is it possible to have it run *without* the background ? I only wantG > the botom windows (the one with the clock, the exit button, etc.) and + > the windows this one span (decterm, etc.)  >  > TIA,	 > Pierre.   : Just select NOBACKDROP in BACKDROP window and you are set.   best Gorazd      --4 ----------------------------------------------------
 Gorazd Kikelj  System Engineer OpenVMS  S&T Group - Hermes Plus d.d. e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:59:16 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>' Subject: Re: Experience with VS80/DLT1? ) Message-ID: <3E229C04.6A196BD0@127.0.0.1>    Bo Hermanson wrote:   L > Regarding to AlphaServer option list, the VS80/DLT1 Tape drives (scsi) are  > not supported today under VMS.K > The low end /performing TZ88 is going away and the alternatives TZ89/TZ90 $ > are far to expensive to my pocket. > L > It should be interesting if anyone in this conference has tried to use theL > cheaper VS80/DLT1 tape drives and share his/hers backup experience in thisN > topic.Any drawback with this drives compared to ordinary DLT/AIT technology? > / > Any reason why they shouldn't work under VMS? ! > Future support for this drives?   B Let us consider the word "support". Support means that it has been tested, and works.  C Consider the data you are trying to protect with some tape drive or F other. What value would you put on the safety of that data, being ableG to recreate it if the hardware you've selected to protect it fails? How  deep are your pockets now?  A There can be a huge void between "working" and "supported". Money : 'saved' is a gamble lost when you can't recover your data.   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 07:04:09 -0800$ From: svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth)G Subject: Fibre channel:  Is the INIT/ERASE function built into the HBA? < Message-ID: <5a85bce2.0301130704.a196473@posting.google.com>   Hi:   B I was at work this weekend swapping out some 9GB and 18GB SBBs forD 36GB SBBs.  Like any good sysadmin, I did an INIT/ERASE on the disks( before I removed them from the ESA12000.  D The INIT/ERASE operation takes a very long time (no suprise).  I hadD three erase operations running at one time (against three six-memberC RAID0 sets).  I watched the load on the system with MONI SYSTEM and C MONI MODE.  To my surprise, the ES40 was basically idle.  No direct % I/O.  No CPU time consumed.  Nothing. 7 But yet the activity lights on the disks were on solid.   D I fired-up the GUI app for managing the f.c. switches and saw a hugeC amount of traffic (more than 25MB/sec) being received by the switch F port connected to the ES40 and being transmitted to the port connected
 to the HSG80.   D This is very odd:  The system is basically "dead".  MONI MODE showedE an idle time of 397 (out of 400). Yet the HBA in the ES40 was sending  traffic like mad.   D My question:  Is the "ERASE" part of INIT/ERASE built into the HBA? B Does the OS tell the HBA to "Go erase that bad boy and let me know when you are done."?   Thanks,    -Scott Vieth Fibre Channel Plumber    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:43:54 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> % Subject: Re: From the Rdb maillist... ; Message-ID: <01KR6I1C1H828WW5NX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > there were several VMS exchange systems in Europe, and not all OM-based.  C Yes, I am aware of other stock exchanges in Europe which are not=20  OM-based and do run on VMS.      --=20 H Phillip Helbig              Email ... helbphi@sysdev.Deutsche-Boerse.comJ Deutsche B=F6rse Systems AG   Email ... Phillip.Helbig@Deutsche-Boerse.co= m H Xetra/Eurex Operations      Tel. ...................... +49 69 2101 4921H 60485 Frankfurt am Main     Fax ....................... +49 69 2101 3411  H My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer and, no, I don't=20 have any stock tips for you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:22:54 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>2 Subject: RE: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail0 Message-ID: <01C2BAED.DB3E8BC0@sulfer.icius.com>  F I love it on Windows. Mozilla blows IE out of the water for speed, andF it gives me fine control over cookies and javascript I haven't seen inG anything else. Yet. I like the sound of Opera, but went off it when its B free version got infested with spyware. I don't know if it's stillH there, but I don't trust a company that once considered that acceptable.   Shane    -----Original Message-----< From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]( Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:52 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 Subject: Re: How to use Mozilla V1.0 for news/mail    5 In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-FJZwNEGPPIXm@localhost>, / djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes: F > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:24:08 UTC,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >  > <Big snip> > I >> I will continue to use VMS mail for mail and Madgoat Newsrdr for news. G >> I'm generally happy with where I can go with Netscape 3.03 and, if I I >> can't go somewhere on the net with Netscape 3.03, then it wasn't worth 
 >> the trip.   >>  H >> I simply want to see this Mozilla thing work despite the fact that itI >> is the single most bloated gluttonous piece of software I have instal- H >> led on any VMS box.  I do not have any ambitions to replace VMS mail,H >> Madgoat Newsrdr or Netscape 3.03 with it... at least, not until I canI >> see the product's display appear in less time time than it takes me to , >> polish off the morning's pot of coffee.   > D > I see that you resolved the X-Display problem you were having the 3 > first time you tried Mozilla. What was the cause?  > B > w.r.t. bloat - I tried the OS/2 version - big, slow loading and C > nothing that comes to mind as a reason for changing. I still use  9 > Netscape and/or Opera under OS/2 and Opera on WinDoze.   > D I don't see much reason to change either. I did try last March on myF 512MB PWS 600 at home. It was not only dog slow, but suffered from the lousy C text editor/compose window complaint that I learnt today is finally  fixed.  E At work I am running out of memory as it is on my XP900, so when I do  run C Mozilla, it's from a 4GB 4100, fast disks, the lot. Still dog slow.    --  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:50:58 +0000. From: Roger Barnett <roger@natron.demon.co.uk>K Subject: Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning 1 Message-ID: <TrehpLASzfH+Ewo7@natron.demon.co.uk>   H In article <av22d0$2dk$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetsk i@hp.nospam.com> writes  > F >This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problemH >solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years has been an explosion of? >innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and 7 >responsibility, and welearned how to deal with it all.   9 You forgot the bit about producing the biggest fraudsters       Roger B.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 10:51:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) K Subject: Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning 3 Message-ID: <r63fYTJT91Eg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <TrehpLASzfH+Ewo7@natron.demon.co.uk>, Roger Barnett <roger@natron.demon.co.uk> writes:J > In article <av22d0$2dk$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetsk > i@hp.nospam.com> writes  >>G >>This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problem I >>solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years has been an explosion of @ >>innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and8 >>responsibility, and welearned how to deal with it all. > ; > You forgot the bit about producing the biggest fraudsters   - Mr. Ponzi certain predates the past 50 years.   $ Have you heard of the tulip bubble ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:07:59 +0100 E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> K Subject: Re: I just wanted to share a note I sent to the group this morning + Message-ID: <3E22F26F.B5A31035@mediasec.de>   = > > You forgot the bit about producing the biggest fraudsters / > Mr. Ponzi certain predates the past 50 years. & > Have you heard of the tulip bubble ?  L Yah. Read the article in the Encyclopedia Britannica (which is from Chicago)< on US economic history, or the autobiography of Carl Schurz.  ) Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.    	Jan   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 07:35:31 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>4 Subject: Re: Independent VMS crash analysis service.@ Message-ID: <20030113153531.51962.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   John1 You should consider specializing in reading dumps 3 from other operating systems like Windows NT/XP and 9 Solaris ! Another option is to become an System Architect 4 because the Developers of nowadays are the DEVILS !    Regards    FC  - --- John Travell <john@travell.uk.net> wrote:  > M > Since my search for a VMS based job is not (so far) meeting much success, I M > am considering an alternate source of income - providing an independent VMS  > crash analysis service. N > Skills are not the problem, remember that before CPQ made me redundant I was8 > one of the principal crash analysis experts in the UK.K > The problem is that I have no idea how big the potential global demand is  > for this type of service.  > H > What I would NOT be offering is either hardware support or 'across the > board' VMS support.  >  > Questions:N > Is there already such a service available that I would have to compete with?L > How many people are there suffering unresolved crashes because they either5 > cannot or choose not to pay for analysis by CPQ/HP? C > Would a relatively low cost service be an attractive alternative? L > Would the fact that I no-longer have formal links into engineering be seen > as a show stopper?L > Would any 'third party' maintenance companies be interested in subscribing > to such a service? >  > N > If this becomes a reality I would expect crashdumps to be sent to me by FTP,K > and most of the communication done by email, so substantially eliminating 6 > time-zone dependencies and international call costs. > > > Feedback on the potential business volume would be valuable. >  >  > -- > John Travell,  > john@travell.uk.net  > http://www.travell.uk.net/ >  >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/2002  >  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?5 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.  http://mailplus.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:38:24 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 0 Subject: Re: Looks like AMD has deep pockets now. Message-ID: <3E228910.7010301@nospamn.sun.com>   Doc.Cypher wrote: 8 > On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >  >  > <snip> > F >>>with intel having alpha and the alpha engineers, no one is going to >>>kick their $#!& ... >>8 >>Oh no here we go again, the Alpha inside Itanium troll >>strikes again. >  > C > Couldn't you just put Captain "InstantWhip" Bob in your killfile?  > @ > Yea, err... right. You'd lose 9 out of 10 excuses for posting. >   1 I don't respond to Bobs ramblings that often, its 0 generally when he make one of his random attacks1 on Sun and SPARC. Hence the dollar for every time - Bob has failed to justify his claims comment.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:17:27 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) $ Subject: Re: Microvax Floating point& Message-ID: <H8n8D3.585@world.std.com>  O In article <3E214480.2020206@vajhoej.dk>, Arne Vajhj  <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:  > Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:  M > > The most sensible option, IMO, for supporting IEEE FP on the VAX would be N > > to create a software library against which apps requiring IEEE FP could be
 > > compiled.  >  > ???? > < > And write a compiler that generate calls to that library ?  G The apps in question would have to be linked against the library, using * the IEEE compatible functions it provides.   -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----K Has anyone else had any bad experiences with Mr. Vader or his Empire? -- K.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 07:52:41 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: Microvax Floating point3 Message-ID: <BpedKH+1tg2c@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3E206A2C.6CB41F78@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Theroretical question. > J > Floating point operations on Microvax machines are emulated by software, > correct ?       No.  O > Are are there still hardware limitations that truly tie the microvaxen to the  > vax floating point format ?   D    Most of the floating point operations are done in hardware.  More@    complex floating point instructions like POLYF may be done inH    software, but they are based on simpler instructions in the hardware.  ?    DEC looked at emulating IEEE on VAXen for Java and found the H    performance so poor as not to justify further work on Java for VAXen.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:19:38 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG$ Subject: Re: Microvax Floating point0 Message-ID: <00A19E6D.5D470918@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <BpedKH+1tg2c@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: c >In article <3E206A2C.6CB41F78@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  >> Theroretical question.  >>  K >> Floating point operations on Microvax machines are emulated by software,  >> correct ? >  >   No.  > P >> Are are there still hardware limitations that truly tie the microvaxen to the >> vax floating point format ? > E >   Most of the floating point operations are done in hardware.  More A >   complex floating point instructions like POLYF may be done in I >   software, but they are based on simpler instructions in the hardware.   K Not according to the subsetting rules but then rules are made to be broken.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:39:20 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>$ Subject: Re: Microvax Floating point) Message-ID: <3E2307D8.6030204@vajhoej.dk>    Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:Q > In article <3E214480.2020206@vajhoej.dk>, Arne Vajhj  <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:  >>Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:L >>>The most sensible option, IMO, for supporting IEEE FP on the VAX would beM >>>to create a software library against which apps requiring IEEE FP could be  >>>compiled. >> >>???? >>< >>And write a compiler that generate calls to that library ? > I > The apps in question would have to be linked against the library, using , > the IEEE compatible functions it provides.  ; The problem is that there are no library calls - it is just 
 instructions.   ? To replace those instructions with library calls will require a 
 new compiler.    Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 02:26:17 -0800  From: otto@programmer.net (Otto)3 Subject: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today? = Message-ID: <c0b935a5.0301130226.46f4ce7a@posting.google.com>    Hello!  < Could anybody please tell us which OpenVMS versions that are0 commonly used in production environments today?  Both VAX and Alpha?  OpenVMS 5.x, 6.x, 7.x.   Thanks in advance.   //Otto   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:50:09 +0200 $ From: "MikeR" <rechtman@tzora.co.il>7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today? 5 Message-ID: <avu8vl$jg7p6$1@ID-103225.news.dfncis.de>   - "Otto" <otto@programmer.net> wrote in message 7 news:c0b935a5.0301130226.46f4ce7a@posting.google.com...  > Hello! > > > Could anybody please tell us which OpenVMS versions that are1 > commonly used in production environments today?  > Both VAX and Alpha?  > OpenVMS 5.x, 6.x, 7.x. >  all of the above.    ~Mike  > Thanks in advance. > 
 > file://Otto    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 08:09:18 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today? 3 Message-ID: <HHsvFVQ92Z80@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <c0b935a5.0301130226.46f4ce7a@posting.google.com>, otto@programmer.net (Otto) writes: > Hello! > > > Could anybody please tell us which OpenVMS versions that are2 > commonly used in production environments today?  > Both VAX and Alpha?  > OpenVMS 5.x, 6.x, 7.x. >  > Thanks in advance.    L    On VAXen I can tell you we've shut down our VMS 2.5 systems and upgraded D    our VMS 4.x systems to at least 5.x.  Anything after about 5.2 is&    game.  On Alpha anything after 6.0.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:40:03 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today? ' Message-ID: <3E22CFC3.417598AE@aaa.com>    What does "is game" mean ? Thanks.  Jan-Erik Sderholm.      Bob Koehler wrote: > M >    On VAXen I can tell you we've shut down our VMS 2.5 systems and upgraded F >    our VMS 4.x systems to at least 5.x.  Anything after about 5.2 is( >    game.  On Alpha anything after 6.0.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:26:35 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today? ; Message-ID: <01KR6Y2VP5UA96VN71@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   O > >    On VAXen I can tell you we've shut down our VMS 2.5 systems and upgraded H > >    our VMS 4.x systems to at least 5.x.  Anything after about 5.2 is* > >    game.  On Alpha anything after 6.0. >  > What does "is game" mean ?  F Here: "is a valid option".  I guess the phrase originally means "is a G possible game you can play".  Thus, "are you game" can mean "does this  G sound like a good idea to you?".  Of course, "game" also means animals  G which are hunted for food (moose, deer, rabbit, quail, pheasant etc).   8 (There is the old joke about the <insert your favourite D butt-of-all-jokes group of people here> who, hunting in the forest, B comes upon a naked woman.  Hunter: "Are you game?"  She [smiling]:3 "Yeah, sure big boy!"  Hunter: pulls the trigger.)     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:44:31 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today? / Message-ID: <3E22ECEF.32D5E864@vl.videotron.ca>    MikeR wrote: > > OpenVMS 5.x, 6.x, 7.x.   for vax:K I would think that 5.5-2 and 7.2 would be the most common. Anyone who moved N beyond 5.5-2 would have been likely to continue to move at least until 7.2 (orM 7.2-1) in MY opinion. 7.3 removes functionality, so I suspect 7.2 will become  the new "5.5-2" landing spot.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:24:28 GMT $ From: Steve Young <steve@brigga.com> Subject: Network install of VMS : Message-ID: <gBvU9.29551$H7.1671842@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>     Hello there,  K   I have a VAXstation VLC, which in keeping with the 'very low cost' aspect G of things has no removable media at all.  Since I'm just learning VMS,  G I want to clear off the VMS installation that is already present on the I system (and apparently quite mangled) that came with it when I bought it. F In it's stead I would like to install the hobbyist version of OpenVMS.F I haven't got the hobbyist stuff all sorted out yet but I have started! the wheels turning to get a copy.   C   In the interim, I was hoping someone could shed a little light on H how I will be able to get the OS installed on the VAX once I do have theE CD in my hands.  I have a Linux box which I can run mopd on, but I am F so unfamiliar with DECnet I don't really know if VMS supports installsH over the network or only netbooting live systems.  Also, I don't know ifD Linux is going to be able to mount the CD at all for me to share out over the network.   K   Any assistance is appreciated.  My Usenet feed is generally atrocious and H it's a complete crap shoot as to whether or not I will see any responsesE posted - if perhaps you could cc: sdyoung at well.com I would be very 	 grateful.      Steve.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:02:50 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> # Subject: Re: Network install of VMS ; Message-ID: <01KR6OTTTY8Q96VN71@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   D > I have a VAXstation VLC, which in keeping with the 'very low cost'J > aspect of things has no removable media at all.  Since I'm just learningJ > VMS, I want to clear off the VMS installation that is already present onD > the system (and apparently quite mangled) that came with it when IJ > bought it. In it's stead I would like to install the hobbyist version ofI > OpenVMS. I haven't got the hobbyist stuff all sorted out yet but I have , > started the wheels turning to get a copy.  > I > In the interim, I was hoping someone could shed a little light on how I J > will be able to get the OS installed on the VAX once I do have the CD inD > my hands.  I have a Linux box which I can run mopd on, but I am soJ > unfamiliar with DECnet I don't really know if VMS supports installs overE > the network or only netbooting live systems.  Also, I don't know if F > Linux is going to be able to mount the CD at all for me to share out > over the network.   G I think it is supported to install from an InfoServer, but I doubt you   have one of those.  F The easiest (non-supported, but still "guaranteed to work") method is D probably to get access to a VMS system with CD.  If you can somehow H temporarily connect your future system disk to it (does the VLC have an G external SCSI adapter?---if so, just plug this in to the other system,  G making sure there are no ID conflicts), you can copy the savesets from  E the CD to it as well as unpacking the "B" saveset.  This gives you a  A bootable disk, and you give the disk itself as the source of the  H savesets.  (Better is to have the unpacked "B" saveset one one disk and G the others on another disk---for speed and, if the disks are small, to   avoid space becoming tight.)  G I have actually done this (not with a VLC, but with another VAXstation  # which at the time had no CD on it).    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 08:07:32 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Network install of VMS 3 Message-ID: <GuxTesX1RBiZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <gBvU9.29551$H7.1671842@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>, Steve Young <steve@brigga.com> writes:  >   Hello there, > M >   I have a VAXstation VLC, which in keeping with the 'very low cost' aspect I > of things has no removable media at all.  Since I'm just learning VMS,  I > I want to clear off the VMS installation that is already present on the K > system (and apparently quite mangled) that came with it when I bought it. H > In it's stead I would like to install the hobbyist version of OpenVMS.H > I haven't got the hobbyist stuff all sorted out yet but I have started# > the wheels turning to get a copy.   H    The version that is on there IS hobbyist VMS.  There's no difference.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:10:37 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Re: Network install of VMS / Message-ID: <3E22F30B.D95F579D@vl.videotron.ca>    Phillip Helbig wrote: K > > In the interim, I was hoping someone could shed a little light on how I L > > will be able to get the OS installed on the VAX once I do have the CD in
 > > my hands.   K If you do not have a companion VMS machine nearby, your only bet is to open N the VLC and crimp a scsi connector onto the ribbon that leads to the drive andK then plug in a CDROM drive temporarily. If you want to start fresh, you can + then intall a brand new VMS onto the drive.   ) (that is what I did for my microvax 3100)   J If you have a companion VAX nearby that has a cdrom, what you can do is toL setup your VLC as a satellite cluster node. This will give the VLC access toL the CDrom on the other box. And if, in setting up the satellite, you put theM page/swap files onto the boot node, it means that your drive on the VLC, when F you boot as satellite is completely unused which means you are free to* initialise it and reload VMS from scratch.  N Another option would be to use kermit to transfer the individual savesets overM a serial line ( VAXVMS072.*) to the vax and do an in-situ upgrade. You'd have M to do your own cleanup first, removing all the lint that may have accumulated L over the years. Place the savesets in the top directory of your system driveI [00000]. When you vms instal, when prompted for device where the media is B located, you enter the disk drive name followed by [000000]   (eg: DKA200:[000000] )   I Note: if you use kermit, you may have to fixup the file attributes of the M received files (SET FILE/ATTTRIB, or if on an older VMS version, seek out the N FILE utility (I think it is on the freeware CD) which sets file attributes for2 you) until you can do BACKUP/LIST on the savesets.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 05:32:29 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux) 3 Message-ID: <C0qFld8TK$PI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <89fe5fbc.0301122345.7b7added@posting.google.com>, root@zworg.com (Amarendra GODBOLE) writes: > Greetings from India folks.  > B > I have started learning the OpenVMS OS, and being a newbie, I amD > facing many problems. First is, the editor help which shows me theE > keys E1, E2, and so on. What are the mappings of these keys on a PC  > keyboard ? > > > A pointer to a tutorial on the editor will be of great help.  ; Which editor ?  There are three of them that ship with VMS.   E > My aim of studying OpenVMS is to figure out the mappings of OpenVMS H > system services to those of Linux. Say, sys$getjpi. Now I need to findD > out all those Linux call(s), which might replace sys$getjpi. But IF > don't know the OpenVMS architecture, is internal workings, why there  E The Internals and Data Structures book gives the VMS architecture and E internal workings.  These days the publisher (Digital Press) sells it J in sections, updated on different schedules, but the whole thing certainly exceeds 800 pages.  + > is $ embedded in many if the names, etc..   ? The dollar sign indicates something is a name controlled by VMS @ (possibly delegated to a third party product) as contrasted with  names specific to a single site.  H > Second hurdle is the architecture of the system. I am not able to findE > out any good docs on the OpenVMS architecture, internals of the OS.    See the book above.   D > Doc that will help me understand how OpenVMS really works, and not > just the command line usage.  D But I would recommend at least skimming the entire documentation set% before tackling the book I mentioned.   : > Any pointers regarding this will be greatly appreciated.  B I gather you do not have access to a VMS system, since you are notC familiar with the documentation set.  The documentation can be read C by starting at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/os731_index.html .    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:24:43 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 5 Subject: Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux) ; Message-ID: <01KR6QZDO38G96VN71@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   = > Which editor ?  There are three of them that ship with VMS.   # I guess you mean EDT, EVE and TECO?   E I once had someone completely unfamiliar with VMS work on my machine  F while I was at university (one of the many students who said "Can you D give me an account?  The SUN compilers don't work!").  He found the G editor accessible via the CDE interface to be quite nice and intuitive  F and a good place to start for someone not familiar with VMS.  (I mean H the "Text Editor" which I believe is installed by default in the pop-up ? list above the terminal icon in the toolbar.  Of course, since  G (presumably) it's part of DECwindows, it is not really an editor which   ships with VMS per se.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 16:27:47 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>5 Subject: Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux) 6 Message-ID: <20030113162747.13298.qmail@gacracker.org>  > On 13 Jan 2003, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:> >In article <89fe5fbc.0301122345.7b7added@posting.google.com>,+ >root@zworg.com (Amarendra GODBOLE) writes:  >> Greetings from India folks. >> bC >> I have started learning the OpenVMS OS, and being a newbie, I amlE >> facing many problems. First is, the editor help which shows me the F >> keys E1, E2, and so on. What are the mappings of these keys on a PC
 >> keyboard ?  >>  ? >> A pointer to a tutorial on the editor will be of great help.  >e< >Which editor ?  There are three of them that ship with VMS.  I Plus LSE and VIM which are installed on the system this person has access  to. :-)v  C >I gather you do not have access to a VMS system, since you are noteD >familiar with the documentation set.  The documentation can be readD >by starting at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/os731_index.html .  K Actually, http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/os73_index.html as I don't haveo 7.3-1 here yet.      Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:57:00 -0500e! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>u5 Subject: Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux)e' Message-ID: <3E22E1CC.EADBC1E0@vcu.edu>e  E there's a vms to linux guide on the linux documentation project, thatsB could help in going the other way, plus i have a (flawed) vms2unix guide...   Phillip Helbig wrote:F > ? > > Which editor ?  There are three of them that ship with VMS.o > % > I guess you mean EDT, EVE and TECO?  > F > I once had someone completely unfamiliar with VMS work on my machineG > while I was at university (one of the many students who said "Can you E > give me an account?  The SUN compilers don't work!").  He found the H > editor accessible via the CDE interface to be quite nice and intuitiveG > and a good place to start for someone not familiar with VMS.  (I meandI > the "Text Editor" which I believe is installed by default in the pop-upp@ > list above the terminal icon in the toolbar.  Of course, sinceH > (presumably) it's part of DECwindows, it is not really an editor which > ships with VMS per se.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:28:11 GMT-" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux) 0 Message-ID: <00A19E7F.52D58007@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <20030113162747.13298.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: ? >On 13 Jan 2003, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: ? >>In article <89fe5fbc.0301122345.7b7added@posting.google.com>, , >>root@zworg.com (Amarendra GODBOLE) writes: >>> Greetings from India folks.r >>> D >>> I have started learning the OpenVMS OS, and being a newbie, I amF >>> facing many problems. First is, the editor help which shows me theG >>> keys E1, E2, and so on. What are the mappings of these keys on a PC3 >>> keyboard ? >>> @ >>> A pointer to a tutorial on the editor will be of great help. >>= >>Which editor ?  There are three of them that ship with VMS.l > J >Plus LSE and VIM which are installed on the system this person has access >to. :-) > D >>I gather you do not have access to a VMS system, since you are notE >>familiar with the documentation set.  The documentation can be read E >>by starting at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/os731_index.html .r > L >Actually, http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/os73_index.html as I don't have >7.3-1 here yet.  D Well, don't lose that URL.  At least V7.3 still works.  For example:  D http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/9996/9996pro_contents.html  " actually produces content whereas:  E http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731final/9996/9996pro_contents.htmlA  	 does not.0  C Of course, I haven't look but perhaps DCL was ripped out of V7.3-1? / One more step to being Weendoze like -- no CLI.r   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" i   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 17:59:28 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>5 Subject: Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux)o6 Message-ID: <20030113175928.15764.qmail@gacracker.org>  7 On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote:tF >there's a vms to linux guide on the linux documentation project, thatC >could help in going the other way, plus i have a (flawed) vms2unix 	 >guide...h  I I noticed the VMS to Linux HOWTO when I recently got Suse Linux, I didn'taK read it in detail, but what I looked at gave the impression it was aimed atfK users and not so much at administrators. (The assumption perhaps being thato the move was imposed?)   A quick Google turns up K <URL:http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/VMS-to-Linux-HOWTO.html>, which might not be  the most up to date version.  C However, <URL:http://www.think-forward.com/tips/Ivmsunix.htm> would ? probably be a handy bookmark for anyone from an *ix background.      Doc. -- c: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nett   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:33:39 -0800e$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>5 Subject: RE: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux).0 Message-ID: <01C2BAEF.41DE6840@sulfer.icius.com>  G I haven't used CDE for a while, I rather like Motif, but I believe that A editor is just another face of EVE. It certainly is on Motif, thet/ command in the command file the menu invokes ish "EDIT/TPU/DISPLAY-DECWINDOWS".   Shane/   -----Original Message-----@ From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]& Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:25 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu5 Subject: Re: Newbie to OpenVMS (contrasting to Linux)e    = > Which editor ?  There are three of them that ship with VMS.t  # I guess you mean EDT, EVE and TECO?   E I once had someone completely unfamiliar with VMS work on my machine iF while I was at university (one of the many students who said "Can you D give me an account?  The SUN compilers don't work!").  He found the G editor accessible via the CDE interface to be quite nice and intuitive lF and a good place to start for someone not familiar with VMS.  (I mean H the "Text Editor" which I believe is installed by default in the pop-up ? list above the terminal icon in the toolbar.  Of course, since hG (presumably) it's part of DECwindows, it is not really an editor which 6 ships with VMS per se.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jan 2003 23:45:46 -0800( From: root@zworg.com (Amarendra GODBOLE) Subject: Newbie to OpenVMS.i= Message-ID: <89fe5fbc.0301122345.7b7added@posting.google.com>-   Greetings from India folks.   @ I have started learning the OpenVMS OS, and being a newbie, I amB facing many problems. First is, the editor help which shows me theC keys E1, E2, and so on. What are the mappings of these keys on a PC8
 keyboard ?  < A pointer to a tutorial on the editor will be of great help.  C My aim of studying OpenVMS is to figure out the mappings of OpenVMSaF system services to those of Linux. Say, sys$getjpi. Now I need to findB out all those Linux call(s), which might replace sys$getjpi. But ID don't know the OpenVMS architecture, is internal workings, why there) is $ embedded in many if the names, etc..i  F Second hurdle is the architecture of the system. I am not able to findC out any good docs on the OpenVMS architecture, internals of the OS.gB Doc that will help me understand how OpenVMS really works, and not just the command line usage.8 Any pointers regarding this will be greatly appreciated.   Have a good day.   --amarendrah   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 08:06:17 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)y Subject: Re: Newbie to OpenVMS.n3 Message-ID: <qvsuawd9NYD+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <89fe5fbc.0301122345.7b7added@posting.google.com>, root@zworg.com (Amarendra GODBOLE) writes: > Greetings from India folks.  > B > I have started learning the OpenVMS OS, and being a newbie, I amD > facing many problems. First is, the editor help which shows me theE > keys E1, E2, and so on. What are the mappings of these keys on a PCa > keyboard ?  B    None.  Some VT emulators do a poor job of remapping these keys,=    others do worse.  The mappings vary.  Get a real keyboard.M  > > A pointer to a tutorial on the editor will be of great help.  #    See the tutorial in the doc set.h  E > My aim of studying OpenVMS is to figure out the mappings of OpenVMSaH > system services to those of Linux. Say, sys$getjpi. Now I need to findD > out all those Linux call(s), which might replace sys$getjpi. But IF > don't know the OpenVMS architecture, is internal workings, why there+ > is $ embedded in many if the names, etc..   E    See the docs set.  Much of which VMS does isn't anywhere in Linux.   H > Second hurdle is the architecture of the system. I am not able to findE > out any good docs on the OpenVMS architecture, internals of the OS.eD > Doc that will help me understand how OpenVMS really works, and not > just the command line usage.: > Any pointers regarding this will be greatly appreciated.  I    www.openvms.compaw.com/docs, also find the FAQ from the same web page.m   > Have a good day. > 
 > --amarendrai   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:15:36 -0500d; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: Newbie to OpenVMS.u$ Message-ID: <3e230234$1@news.si.com>  A >I have started learning the OpenVMS OS, and being a newbie, I amnC >facing many problems. First is, the editor help which shows me the D >keys E1, E2, and so on. What are the mappings of these keys on a PC >keyboard ?c  K There are two common mappings for VT-style emulators.  One is the placementtL mapping, which maps the positions of the LK keyboard 6-button auxiliary keysD (Insert Here, Prev, Next, etc.) to the same positioned key on the PCH keyboard.  Those people who are adept at using the keypad by touch often like this mapping.  K The other mapping is keycap mapping, where the 6-button keypad is mapped bybK function to the corresponding keys on the PC keyboard.  Thus, "Insert Here"-L is mapped to "Insert", "Prev" is mapped to "Page Up", "Next" to "Page Down",
 and so on.  D Usually, VT emulators allow you to specify your own mapping as well.  G >Second hurdle is the architecture of the system. I am not able to findaD >out any good docs on the OpenVMS architecture, internals of the OS.  D One book might be "VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures" by Ruth E.% Goldberg and Lawrence J. Kenah, 1991,sG ISBN 1-55558-059-9.  This is for VAX/VMS V5.2.  Also try "OpenVMS AlphakI Internals and Data Structures: Scheduling and Process Control" by Ruth E.bH Goldberg and Saro Saravanen, 1996, ISBN 1-55558-156-0 and "OpenVMS AlphaL Internals and Data Structures: Memory Management" by Ruth E. Goldberg, 2002,H ISBN 1-55558-159-5.  Amazon shows they have one copy of this latter book left.r -- sI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com-5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.0@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991s8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:13:24 -0500o5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>i" Subject: Press Release from Fortel* Message-ID: <avuojb$5l1$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  I Agreement Extends Best-of-breed Service Level Assurance to European-based 6 OpenVMS, UNIX/Linux, and Windows NT/2000 Installations  H Fremont-California-January 8, 2003-FORTEL Inc. (OTC BB: FRTLE) announcedH today a strategic agreement with XuiS, a privately owned British companyF that provides high quality software to manage OpenVMS, UNIX/Linux, andI Windows NT/2000. Under the reseller agreement, XuiS will include FORTEL's.L SightLine as part of its product portfolio. This agreement will allow XuiS'sI worldwide customer base to benefit from the improved performance, greatercG efficiency, and increased return-on-investment that SightLine brings toL enterprise networks.  L XuiS cited customer demand for service level assurance software as being keyK to its decision to resell SightLine. "SightLine is a software solution thatlJ fits perfectly with our mission of providing only best-of-breed products,"J said Tim Farrow, Managing Director of XuiS. "Its addition to our portfolioI enables us to offer our customers a multi-platform performance monitoringh@ and reporting tool that is the most comprehensive in its field."  A FORTEL's SightLine collects and aggregates real-time information,iI end-to-end, independent of platforms, networks or applications, including K information from external partners. SightLine can monitor the critical pathcD of an online transaction or request across heterogeneous applicationK components, analyzing the flow as a single entity. As a result, it makes it K possible to provide insight into the inter-relationships between all of the - components involved in an enterprise network.o  L "We are looking forward to working with XuiS," said Terry Ewing, Senior ViceA President of Field Operations for FORTEL. "XuiS has well-deserved L credibility from an international customer base, many of whom have been withJ XuiS since its formation almost ten years ago. In addition, their softwareK management focus on OpenVMS, UNIX/Linux, and Windows NT/2000 fits very wellkH with our target markets and will allow FORTEL to create new distribution
 channels."  F In addition to providing high quality software to manage OpenVMS, UNIXE and/or Windows NT/2000, XuiS also installs, configures and customizesmJ software as well as trains administrators and provides customer support on$ how to use the products effectively.  
 ABOUT XuiS  G XuiS is a privately owned British registered company with internationalJG distribution outlets. The company specializes in providing high quality I software to manage OpenVMS, UNIX/Linux and Windows NT/2000. Alongside theMJ software, XuiS offers specialist professional services such as consultancyL and training as well as support at a number of levels, which are tailored to the needs of the end-user.  J XuiS is headquartered in Surrey, UK. For more information about XuiS, callL +44 (0) 1372 728881, email info@XuiS.com, or visit the company on the web at
 www.XuiS.com.S   About FORTEL  H FORTEL provides the first real-time performance management solution thatL assures business end-to-end service-level goals. FORTEL's SightLine suite isJ based on analysis and correlation software that has been applied and tunedE for more than 15 years in the systems management performance arena byjK customers in finance and banking, defense management, manufacturing, retail.F services and government. FORTEL counts among its customers many of theF world's largest and most well known organizations and enterprises. TheJ Company is headquartered in Fremont, Calif., and can be contacted at (510)9 440-9600 or by visiting its web site at (www.fortel.com).o    FORTEL Public Relations Contact:   Emilio Dabul   Fusion Public Relationsr   New York NYt   212-651-4216   emilio.dabul@fusionpr.comc   FORTEL Contact:t  # Steve Muxworthy, UK Country Manager>   +44 (77) 3006 5342   steve.muxworthy@fortel.com   # # #r  B (c) 2003 FORTEL Inc. All rights reserved. FORTEL and SightLine areI trademarks of FORTEL Inc. All other product or company names mentioned ine= this release are trademarks of their respective corporations.l  F Except for historical information contained in this press release, theD foregoing contains forward-looking statements that involve risks andK uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by ? such forward-looking statements based on a variety of risks anddL uncertainties, including risks and uncertainties relating to factors such asK our ability to achieve the intended benefits of the reseller agreement with7H XuiS, the timely and successful development and market acceptance of ourH products, services and features, our ability to successfully attract andF retain customers, our profitability targets and financial metrics, theJ number, size and duration of contracts, and software prices, activities ofD competitors, demand for our products, volume of business and generalJ economic conditions. FORTEL is currently not in compliance with the filingK requirements of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (the "SEC") and H the risks and uncertainties above include potential adverse consequencesI relating to FORTEL's noncompliance with the SEC's filing requirements andtI its ability to become compliant with such requirements in the future. ThetH guidance contained in this press release is based on limited informationH available to the Company today, which is subject to change. Although theK guidance provided in this press release may change after today, the CompanyeB undertakes no obligation to revise or update these forward-lookingH statements after today. Further information about potential factors thatJ could affect our financial results is included in our Quarterly Reports onG Form 10-Q and most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K/A, which have been.2 filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 07:02:00 -0800' From: rallykarro@hotmail.com (karolina) + Subject: READ ONLY TRANSACTIONS ARE HANGINGn= Message-ID: <c8a98246.0301130702.2b7305a8@posting.google.com>o   Hi  ? I have a problem with ORACLE RDB on a OpenVMS. The version I ame9 running is Rdb V7.0-64. Below is the problem I am having.F  D One process continously writes data into a table with commit between each3 write, the transaction is declared with read write.eF 2 programs are continously reading the actual row added using a unique indext' and transaction declare with read only.(F When running in a cluster with one primary and one standby instance of the C reading programs (4 instances reads the same record), sometimes the  write in1 the first process is hanging up to 10-20 seconds.>? In RMU/ANALYZE it seems that the reading processes has opened a0 PROTECTED READ, instead of SHARED READ which is the default.  6 Why does my transaction hang for that long doing this?% Is there any RDB setup I can look at?:? I can't see that I am having the same problem on a single node.    Please help me!    regardsf   karolina   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:57:46 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: SMTP to foreign mail protocol ?/ Message-ID: <3E22636A.8F9309C4@vl.videotron.ca>n   right now, I know I can send:n  . "velo::mrgate::a1::jfmezei"@bike.chocolate.com  Q node bike gets the smto message, sends it as VMSmail to velo::mrgate::a1::jfmezeib  Q (ok, so the actual syntax may require some fancy quoting, but you get the drift).   G would there be some sort of a trick, either with DNS MX records or withc logicals that I could say:  <  jfmezei@mousse.chocolate.com  where "mousse" would point to velo::mrgate::a1:: ?  N Or is the only reliable method to write a SMTP server on node VELO which talksH directly to the foreign transport ? (Which, I believe is how Digital had= implemnted their SMTP->Message Router gateway (remember the :-= First.Name@XXX.mts.digital.com where XXXwas the city code ? )M  L My goal is to eventually eliminate message router. But I will probably stillL need some sort of interface between VMSmail, SMTO and All-in-1 for some time to come.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:47:48 -0500c; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>e, Subject: Re: SMTP to foreign mail protocol ?$ Message-ID: <3e22fbaf$1@news.si.com>  H >would there be some sort of a trick, either with DNS MX records or with >logicals that I could say:i >/= > jfmezei@mousse.chocolate.com  where "mousse" would point to8 >velo::mrgate::a1:: ?h  % Install MX and use the rewrite rules.K -- rI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comH5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.0@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:04:39 +0100A2 From: rossbach.dieter@t-online.de (Dieter Robach) Subject: smtp to vmsmail/ Message-ID: <avuki6$bc0$04$1@news.t-online.com>a  D I am running VMS 7.3-1 with the lastest patches and TCPIP 5.1 ECO 1.  # I have a strange problem with smtp:    Outgoing mail works fine.-O Incoming mail is delivered to vmsmail but the que entry in the smtp processing 5M queue stays in "processing" mode and does not finish. The final announcement nI about new mail via vmsmail is not send, but the mail is in the "newmail" e# folder, when you open your mailbox.m   What's that?   Regards    Dieter   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:16:40 -0700 / From: "Jill Forrest" <chihuajill@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: smtp to vmsmail. Message-ID: <JDBU9.20$At1.11@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,-  E Do you have the VMS73_SYS-V0500 patch installed?  If so, read the ECOeK summary warning about SMTP mail delivery hangs after installing this patch.vF A workaround is given which says to increase CTLPAGES.  There's also a1 command procedure included to clear the messages.e   Jill  ? "Dieter Robach" <rossbach.dieter@t-online.de> wrote in message ) news:avuki6$bc0$04$1@news.t-online.com... F > I am running VMS 7.3-1 with the lastest patches and TCPIP 5.1 ECO 1. >?% > I have a strange problem with smtp:  >  > Outgoing mail works fine. E > Incoming mail is delivered to vmsmail but the que entry in the smtps
 processingA > queue stays in "processing" mode and does not finish. The finalh announcementJ > about new mail via vmsmail is not send, but the mail is in the "newmail"% > folder, when you open your mailbox.  >t > What's that? > 	 > Regardse >  > Dieter >i   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 08:03:03 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r+ Subject: Re: The need for reliable desktopse3 Message-ID: <YGaeJLRKVLwN@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-SbC3ZdimF222@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes:2  A > Well in a space-station I would have thought you sell the heat xC > generation from VMS/Alpha notebooks as  a method of recycling or tG > overall energy efficiency :-) The tadpole salesmen definitely missed u > an opportunity there.7  E    Inside the space station a 75W eater is a problem.  Heat builds up H    and you have to get rid of it.  Outside you are either too hot or tooG    cold depending an whether your on the dark or lit side, so their arei(    radiators and heaters to handle both.    sC    Power consumption of an Alpha is prohibitive for space use.  ItsrC    ability to generate heat with that power is a companion problem.c  G    Some of the code runing on the space station (not in the laptops) isnD    cross compiled on a collection of VAXen (on the ground).  That's F    become a problem as the compiler vendor no longer supports VMS and D    the VAXen are see as too slow.  Really they should just VEST the F    compiler and run it on an Alpha, but then they'd have to recertify I    the compiler and the generated code.  Maybe they'll do something once m"    VMS IPF systems start shipping.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:50:13 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: The need for reliable desktopsm/ Message-ID: <3E22EE45.6950B655@vl.videotron.ca>o   Bob Koehler wrote:E >    Power consumption of an Alpha is prohibitive for space use.  Its E >    ability to generate heat with that power is a companion problem.e  J But back in the early 1990s, had NASA elected to get VMS laptops, couldn'tK they have produced a low power version of Alpha had Digital wanted to ? Allr( the other guys seem to be able to do so.  J Heck, why not build a VAX laptop, with a hardened VAX chip that could haveE been used for both laptops and station computers (MDMs). The MDMS aremM currently based on 80386 chips running one of the few real time OS available.s  K Now, of course it is too late. But back in early 1990s when those decisions L were made, it might have been very cool and great marketing to have VMS used on the space station.l   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 12:58:04 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)(+ Subject: Re: The need for reliable desktopsi3 Message-ID: <qC$qaOZ4HmW3@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  b In article <3E22EE45.6950B655@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:F >>    Power consumption of an Alpha is prohibitive for space use.  ItsF >>    ability to generate heat with that power is a companion problem. > L > But back in the early 1990s, had NASA elected to get VMS laptops, couldn'tM > they have produced a low power version of Alpha had Digital wanted to ? AllM* > the other guys seem to be able to do so.  G   By the early 1990's VAXen were slow and DEC had abandon the real-timeeD   market.  I see no sign from the VMS folks at HP that VMS will everG   again target the realtime market, one of the places I've had the mostuG   fun with it (as in just-try-doing-that-with-UNIX).  And the number ofeE   processors used on the space station would hardly justify coming up F   with a low power RAD hardened Alpha with no other market.  Heck, DEC0   couldn't market ordinary power hunngry Alphas.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:17:38 -0500  From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>t# Subject: trivia curiousity questione8 Message-ID: <6ks52v0hog97nv6tu85tjnrtf7m2nbncqv@4ax.com>  ? what was the last Vax (not alpha) to be manufactured, and when?eD also, what speed was this model, how much do they roughly go for now< (used/fleabay/etc) or are they not generally available used?  B I've been teading some website model history and many of them seemB to contradict each other. Some mention the vax4000, others mention? some other models as being the last. I once found a really nicen> website listing the models, dates, and speed (compared to 750)/ even with pictures, but I've lost the bookmark.o  E To me the Vax is still my favorite machine, of course, I grew up witheF them, literally. Started programming on a PDP-10 way back in 1976 whenF I was 8 years old. There is something special about these beasts, even= though some of todays newer systems must dwarf them in power.   C I still remember running a computer store (with 8 terminals) off an > old pdp-8, which even the best pc's couldn't do (at the time).  E Seems sad to me that Intel paid of Compaq to wipe out Digital becausetC of issues over their stealing chip technology. And now that HP ownsp+ Compaq, one has to wonder about the future.l  = Also, does anyone know when the copyrights or patents on DECs F technlogy expire? It should be some year soon. I got to thinking aboutB this because I saw Peter Pan (Disney) is now public domain. Yes, I8 know it's unrelated, but the era aughta be pretty close.  D It's been a strange journey, from the days of DEC to the days of the c64/amiga, and finally the PC.   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:32:25 -0700l/ From: "Jill Forrest" <chihuajill@earthlink.net>s' Subject: Re: trivia curiousity questionn. Message-ID: <JKCU9.25$Pu1.16@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dan,  ) Is this the website you were looking for:   B http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/tmlnhome.htm  * It has a nice timeline of Digital history.   Jill  $ "Dan" <dan@vrx.net> wrote in message2 news:6ks52v0hog97nv6tu85tjnrtf7m2nbncqv@4ax.com...A > what was the last Vax (not alpha) to be manufactured, and when?tF > also, what speed was this model, how much do they roughly go for now> > (used/fleabay/etc) or are they not generally available used? >rD > I've been teading some website model history and many of them seemD > to contradict each other. Some mention the vax4000, others mentionA > some other models as being the last. I once found a really nice @ > website listing the models, dates, and speed (compared to 750)1 > even with pictures, but I've lost the bookmark.t >vG > To me the Vax is still my favorite machine, of course, I grew up withuH > them, literally. Started programming on a PDP-10 way back in 1976 whenH > I was 8 years old. There is something special about these beasts, even? > though some of todays newer systems must dwarf them in power.o >eE > I still remember running a computer store (with 8 terminals) off ane@ > old pdp-8, which even the best pc's couldn't do (at the time). >yG > Seems sad to me that Intel paid of Compaq to wipe out Digital becauseEE > of issues over their stealing chip technology. And now that HP owns - > Compaq, one has to wonder about the future.  >r? > Also, does anyone know when the copyrights or patents on DECs H > technlogy expire? It should be some year soon. I got to thinking aboutD > this because I saw Peter Pan (Disney) is now public domain. Yes, I: > know it's unrelated, but the era aughta be pretty close. >cF > It's been a strange journey, from the days of DEC to the days of the  > c64/amiga, and finally the PC. >O > Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:15:07 +0100p. From: Dennis Grevenstein <dennis@pcde.inka.de>* Subject: Re: unknown Qbus SCSI controller?, Message-ID: <3E22D7FB.FA2FF62D@pcde.inka.de>   Chris Doran wrote: >kB > Try http://www.dilog.com/qbus which even has a data sheet on theD > SQ739. A few other Dilog SQ7xx SCSI boards are listed on the Field@ > Guide at http://world.std.com/~mbg/pdp11-field-guide.txt viz:-   That's great. Many thanks.   mfgm Dennis   -- o9 > Trotzdem schreibe ich laengere Sachen lieber mit LaTeX.   D Das Programm heisst ja auch nicht 'Book' oder 'Text' sondern 'Word'.  B Jakob Krieger zum Thema Microsoft Word in de.alt.folklore.computer   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:29:20 -0500r! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>i Subject: Re: VAX Arch Hdbk' Message-ID: <3E22DB50.D7CE1E23@vcu.edu>b  8 i have 2 i can ship you if you send me an address, Tom..   Jim    Tom Linden wrote:  > C > Yes thanks, I did already look a those but they don't cover a lot & > of what is in the original handbook. >  > >-----Original Message-----p6 > >From: Jesper Naur [mailto:jesper.naur@post.tele.dk]) > >Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 4:41 PMd > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >Subject: Re: VAX Arch Hdbko > >  > >  > > / > >Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote in messages6 > >news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEELGGAA.tom@kednos.com...D > >> is there one available online?  Didn't find any on Waybackwhen." > >> If not, anybody have a spare? > >> > >n3 > >Try looking at these (perhaps a bit unofficial):a > >p- > >http://fakkir.net/~elzubeir/papers/vax.pdfo6 > >http://www.cs.rit.edu/~icss352/document/vax_pkt.pdf > >t > >Best regardsu > >Jesper Naur > >  > >s > >> Tom > >> ---+ > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. ? > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).4F > >> Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 > >> > >: > >N > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.D= > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).dD > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 > >T > ---n( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:22:56 +0000h( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: What does RWCLU mean?) Message-ID: <3E22E7E0.9B820C8D@127.0.0.1>    Hans Vlems wrote:c > 7 > "Saminda C F Lam" <ccminda@ust.hk> schreef in berichte > news:3E1E9FE6.60809@ust.hk....E > > What does RWCLU mean?  The manual says "Resource Wait for ClustereK > > Transition".  I found processes in RWCLU state on an Alpha cluster.  Is-C > > it indicative of some resource problem?  If so, what resources?A > >s  H > A cluster transition may happen when a node leaves the cluster and theN > remaining nodes (including the votes of an optional quorum disk) do not haveD > enough combined votes to meet the last known quorum value. Now theK > explanation for RWCLU is somewhat ambiguous: it may be read as a resource N > wait before the system is able to enter the cluster transition or that it isK > actually in  the transition state. The latter case would make sense sinceeJ > while in cluster transition it is actually waiting for resources: enough? > votes to meet the quorum value and continue normal operation.i  D You get RWCAP if there is a hang, but it's mighty tricky to see thatE state (other than in a crash) cos the system is hung. RWCAP indicatesl= that the CPU has lost quorum (insufficient votes to process).   B RWCLU is usually more associated with locking issues, remastering,E rebuilding tables due to additional or removed members with a lockinggE weight (LOCKDIRWT <>0). True it occurs during transition, and Hans istF right to say there is some ambiguity possible, because this is a state9 between a quorum state change which ought to be decisive.c  H As to your question, is it resources, then possibly yes, but most likelyG not process, possibly system, possibly a combination of application ando> its behaviour, possibly hardware/interconnect induced, perhaps  inappropriate SYSGEN parameters. -- t? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesh nclews at csc dot comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:42:30 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Wireless Ethernet/ Message-ID: <3E225FD4.2F9631CF@vl.videotron.ca>s  F Out of curiosity, how does authentication work for wireless ethernet ?  G Is wireless ethernet simply a bridge between two ethers ? Or is there a - hub/router that manages the wireless access ?d  E Does the DHCP server on VMS have the ability to server those users ? o  J Someone told me that WiFi will make it big in internet cafs etc where youG could buy a prepaid card to gain access to the lan/internet by enteringm username/password on the card.  ; Are there mechanisms in those wireless devices to do that ?t  C Or would access control exist solely on the ethernet address of the N laptop/device ? (eg: enter that address in the DHCP server's database and only< MAC adresses in the DHCP server are granted a DHCP response)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:18:37 -0800V% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> 4 Subject: Re: [OT] Lotteries (was Re: Happy New Year)& Message-ID: <3E22F4ED.20908@rdrop.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote:I > Doesn't exactly pay for itself, but it at least it "softens the blow" a 1 > bit. Got $175 back on a $5 ticket once. Once...4  " The only sure winner is the house.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jan 2003 11:14:37 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)nH Subject: [OT} Fraud Championship (was: I just wanted to share a note...)3 Message-ID: <wwvBzcyEvuUT@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  c In article <r63fYTJT91Eg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:nd > In article <TrehpLASzfH+Ewo7@natron.demon.co.uk>, Roger Barnett <roger@natron.demon.co.uk> writes:K >> In article <av22d0$2dk$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetske >> i@hp.nospam.com> writes >>>dH >>>This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problemJ >>>solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years has been an explosion ofA >>>innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and:9 >>>responsibility, and welearned how to deal with it all.e >> 3< >> You forgot the bit about producing the biggest fraudsters > / > Mr. Ponzi certain predates the past 50 years.o > & > Have you heard of the tulip bubble ?   Credit Moblier ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:14:19 -0800o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>sL Subject: RE: [OT} Fraud Championship (was: I just wanted to share a note...)9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEHMGGAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- 5 >From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]s' >Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:15 AMi >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComI >Subject: [OT} Fraud Championship (was: I just wanted to share a note...)d >s >a4 >In article <r63fYTJT91Eg@eisner.encompasserve.org>,0 >Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:B >> In article <TrehpLASzfH+Ewo7@natron.demon.co.uk>, Roger Barnett# ><roger@natron.demon.co.uk> writes: L >>> In article <av22d0$2dk$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetsk >>> i@hp.nospam.com> writesv >>>>I >>>>This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problem K >>>>solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years has been an explosion of B >>>>innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and: >>>>responsibility, and welearned how to deal with it all. >>>g= >>> You forgot the bit about producing the biggest fraudsters. >>0 >> Mr. Ponzi certain predates the past 50 years. >>' >> Have you heard of the tulip bubble ?c >t >Credit Moblier ?o  J The collapse of the Matchstick King is widely thought to have precipitated the depression >m >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free..; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com)./B >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 >  ---1& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.026 ************************