0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 17 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 34      Contents:* RE: *** DANGER, Will Robinson! DANGER! ***4 Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms4 Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms4 Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms4 Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms2 Re: Acrobat Destiller and old DEC/Compaq PS files.2 Re: Acrobat Destiller and old DEC/Compaq PS files. RE: Alpha 3000 ... Re: Alpha 3000 ...2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison! Re: assembly/disassembly on vms ? ! Re: assembly/disassembly on vms ?  Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV Re: Digital server 5000  Re: Experience with VS80/DLT1? Re: Experience with VS80/DLT1?# Re: Foreign mail question (code 19) # Re: Foreign mail question (code 19)  FreeVMS 0.0.39 Re: FreeVMS 0.0.39 Re: FreeVMS 0.0.39: Function keys no longer work after TCPware upgrade to 5.6.- Re: HP Sets the Stage for Alpha's Last Hurrah - Re: Itanium with alpha goodies on the way ...  Re: Montecito slips to 2005  Re: Montecito slips to 2005  Re: Montecito slips to 2005 . Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?* Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??. Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??. Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??. Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??. Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??. Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ?? Re: NT on Alpha  Re: NT on Alpha  RE: NT on Alpha  Re: NT on Alpha  Re: NT on Alpha % OKIdata ML 320 Control Codes from VMS ) Re: OKIdata ML 320 Control Codes from VMS  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licence' Oracle LMON and LMDO buffered I/O usage 0 osu/http-server + gecko browser support for .csv4 Re: osu/http-server + gecko browser support for .csv4 Re: osu/http-server + gecko browser support for .csv+ Recovering from deleted .PCSI$DATABASE file  Re: Sockets API and Pascal Re: Suppressing SMTP headers$ TCP/IP socket using VMS QIO services Re: THREADCP problem Re: TZ15 problems  Re: TZ15 problems  Re: vax basic questions % Re: VMS on Itanic boot report sighted 1 [OT] lots of spam in vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:40:06 -0500 5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com> 3 Subject: RE: *** DANGER, Will Robinson! DANGER! *** O Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D5B360E5@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>   H well it did take place in the futuristic year of 1997 - so running VMS = was  the logical choice :-)     -----Original Message-----8 From: Fabio Cardoso [mailto:fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br]=20( Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:19 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 Subject: Re: *** DANGER, Will Robinson! DANGER! ***      Well  / Looks like the Lost in Space robot crashed !=20    Regards    FC=20 ! --- norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >=20% > Has anyone an explanation for this:  >=20/ >    Press RETURN to continue, q RETURN to quit , > ***     DANGER, Will Robinson! DANGER! ***> >         operator new failure: insufficient virtual memory=20; > %SYSTEM-F-OPCCUS, opcode reserved to customer fault at=20 & > PC=3DFFFFFFFF80A3E434, PS=3D0000001B >=204 >   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. >=20 > [OpenVMS V7.2-2] >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?5 Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.  http://mailplus.yahoo.com     G The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged =  and B confidential information and is intended only for the use of the =	 person(s) H named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or = agent F responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any< review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this = communication isD strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please = contact D the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of theD original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders = and/orC instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for =  carrying$ out such orders and/or instructions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:38:19 +0100 = From: "Franz-Jrgen Tollmann" <tollmann@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> = Subject: Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms ) Message-ID: <3e27f934$1@uni-wuerzburg.de>   9 "Frank da Cruz" <fdc@columbia.edu> schrieb im Newsbeitrag + news:b0724n$hme$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu... D > : Are you joking ? The big enterprise solutions for cross-platform3 > : networksharing bear graeater risks than kermit?  > : E > No, I'm not joking.  Kermit is a user-mode application program that  requiresI > no special privileges to run.  It's not a system service or file-system G > extension.  If you follow newsgroups like comp.os.linux.networking or  almostK > any other Unix-or-Windows sysadmin or network oriented group, you'll find  itI > full of questions about and problems with Samba, NFS, and all the other F > fashionable solutions.  One might conclude that they are not easy to install, > administer, or keep safe.   L I think the administrational work one has to do depends on the installation. MakingJ just one directory accessable via SAMBA or NFS is not a big thing. Took me about 20A minutes on a linuxbox. You can grant access only for some special  IP-Adresses and block J the rest. We dont want to share printers or complicated things like that. The SAMBA orG NFS newsgroups deal in first line with such complicated things......and  there are newbies , and many, many users use these applications.   > 2 > : How secure do you suggest a telnet connection? > : J > Remember we are talking about PCs with Windows and a VMS server.  Kermit 95D > for Windows supports the following secure TCP/IP connection types: >  >  . SSL/TLS terminal sessions2 >  . Telnet, FTP, and HTTP secured with SSL or TLSC >  . Telnet, Rlogin, and FTP secured with Kerberos IV or Kerberos V $ >  . Telnet and FTP secured with SRP >  . SSH v1 terminal sessions  >  . SSH v2 terminal sessions   H But you will agree that none of these services makesdirectories directly accessible. J This is what we want. It is not just sending one special file to a special machine,L it is accessing many files from seven different computers. And the same file isD required once on this machine two minutes later on another. A kermit
 connectionK would mean that i have to tell the host for which of the seven machines the  file is needed. E This is pretty uncomfortable. Why not having the generated files in a  network-folder and0 the machine that needs it can read and erase it?? I think you see the point. Kermit is no solution for our needs.    Cheers Franz   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:42:05 +0100 = From: "Franz-Jrgen Tollmann" <tollmann@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> = Subject: Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms ) Message-ID: <3e27fa16$1@uni-wuerzburg.de>   L "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3e26f6ec@news.si.com...E > >Franz-Jrgen Tollmann, who wrote the original post in this thread, 4 > >doesn't want to use anything so ancient as Kermit > K > It's evident that Franz-Jrgen Tollmann doesn't understand that a program I > being actively developed and marketed is not, by definition, "ancient".  HeH > apparently has had his head and mind stuck in the sand for many years.  ' Thats what Hans intended you to think. E If you follow the thread you will understand that Kermit is simply no  solution for our requirements.    Cheers Franz   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:57:59 -0500 ' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> = Subject: Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms > Message-ID: <JSUV9.303$Z74.1119@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>   Hans M. Aus wrote: > Simplicity is my objective.  >  > I'm the VMS administrator. > J > Currently, the user starts a VMS application that generates a text file C > of numbers. The user then has to click a pc-icon in order to FTP  K > transfer the file to the pc. The user wants to eliminate the second step.  > H > I've looked at Samba, Socket programing, and previously NFS. Frank da K > Cruz of Columbia suggested using the new version of Kermit 95. After the  I > VMS program finishes, the file can be automatically transferred to the   > pc with the DCL command: >  > $kermit -s filename  > J > Frank da Cruz recently wrote: "If the PC client reacts automatically to K > Kermit packets, as (for example) Kermit 95 does it will receive the file  # > without the user doing anything."  > E > Franz-Jrgen Tollmann, who wrote the original post in this thread,  C > doesn't want to use anything so ancient as Kermit but I like the  + > simplicity of Frank da Cruz's suggestion.   B Without reading the rest of this thread (which is growing large), G somsone else may have already mentioned this, but TCP/IP is "ancient."  E If your user is suggesting any IP-based solution, he's already using  H something "ancient."  I wonder if he's more interested in the technical E merits of accomplishing his task, or actually accomplishing the task?   H When I read your message here, I thought about WRQ's Reflection, which, H though RCL, allows one to seemlessly allow output to land on the client G PC pretty much transparently from a VMS system through their emulator.  G If you are averse to installing and maintaining a product such as NFS,  H Samba, etc. and you want simplicity, I don't know of anything better to  suggest.  I All THAT said as a lead in to FdC's comments about Kermit... Kermit does  G the SAME THING (probably more now) as Reflection for WAY LESS $$$ than  F Reflection.  So why not follow FdC's suggestion?  Again, is your user F more interested in a merited technical review or just getting the job > done?  8-)  Kermit is probably "newer" than TCP/IP.  It's the I RELIABILITY I always look for, not the "latest and greatest."  Sometimes  I a product's age tells you alot -- it's stood the test of time, and beats   all the pretenders.   E To give you an example of how EASY FdC's solution is to implement, I  F once wrote about a 35-line MACRO-32 program that allowed me to type a H command on the PC, run the command on the VAX, and have the output come D back to me on the PC using either Reflection's proprietary transfer G protocol, ZMODEM, or Kermit.  Totally transparent.  Worked beautifully.   G If this particular user is the ONLY user that has you thinking about a  G cross-platform transfer solution, then it probably DOESN'T warrant the  I additional admin cycles that would be necessary to devote to maintaining  I an NFS, Samba-like, or even a Web-based solution (as saw someone suggest  ' -- which was good, don't get me wrong.)   H Considering all, I think FdC's solution is the best solution I've heard L to far.  It's VERY EASY to implement this and it's near totally transparent.  , "Kermit is ancient..."  Why, I oughta... 8-)   Chris  -----  Chris Olive  Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec AT indy DOT raytheon DOT com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:07:29 -0500 ' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> = Subject: Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms > Message-ID: <D%UV9.304$Z74.1095@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>   Shane Smith wrote:G > Or even if you have WinXP but haven't run GRC's little utility to rip I > out "universal plug and play" you run the same risk. Cruise GRC.com for 
 > details. >   G OT: Highly recommended.  Microsoft has absolutely NO INHIBITIONS about  B placing their customer's computers at risk.  They are a marketing F company primarily focused on and interested in turning a huge profit. H They don't understand security (though they claim they do).  They don't 3 understand it because it's not a priority for them.   G (Certainly there are people at MS that are BRIGHT enough to understand  G and implment it -- it's just not REALLY a company priority.  They give  F token effort to it, and in their defense, it's IMPOSSIBLE for them to F totally implement, because their products were never ARCHITECTED with - security in mind -- only as an afterthought.)   H Rip UPnP outta your XP systems as fast as you can using Steve's Un-UPnP 3 program before you put your XP machine on the wire!    Chris  -----  Chris Olive  Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec AT indy DOT raytheon DOT com   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2003 01:33 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ; Subject: Re: Acrobat Destiller and old DEC/Compaq PS files. - Message-ID: <17JAN200301330228@gerg.tamu.edu>   = Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes... ! >The PS file is readable just OK. 4 >By inserting print commands according to your post,- >I'v found the place where the error occures. % >It's in the the 3-line block below :  > , >  % DefineFont:F243 Category:10 Pointsize:7; >  /Courier-Oblique /Courier-Oblique@DOCPSE DOCPSE ReENCODE - >  /F243 350.100 /Courier-Oblique@DOCPSE DPSF  > 4 >"DPSF" is defined (?) earlier in the file as this : > + >  /DPSF {		% /procname size /fontname DPSF ? >      findfont exch ps-scalefont [ exch /setfont cvx ] cvx def  >  }def  > < >I know next to nothing about PS, does this make any sense ? > 
 >Jan-Erik. >PS.= >Note that I happend to debug the other of the two files that C >I have. I'v changed the error message bit (other font then before)  >to reflect this >DS. >> Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:8 >> > %%[ Error: limitcheck; OffendingCommand: findfont ] >> > %%  >> > >> > Stack: 
 >> > /Font >> > (Courier-Oblique) >  >>  @ You are probably running out of memory - this could be memory in> general or just the amount of memory that it is allowed to use> (again, either in general or, i this case, for fonts if it hasA such a setting, I don't remember if it does or not). You may just D be setting up to many fonts. Does the document set up any fonts that; it doesn't actually use? If so, remove them completely. You ; may be able to increase the memory it cans use for this via " some dialog or configuration file.  / You don't say what your platform for this is...    From: 0 http://www.prepressure.com/ps/dbase/findfont.htm   [...]   B  Acrobat Distiller "limitcheck" offending command "findfont" error  L     The Unix version of Acrobat Distiller 3.0x can generate the above error.  F     Check the Adobe website for a work-around which involves editing aA     configuration file using Vi or so. A too obscure error for my 
     taste.  5 They also have more general advice about limitchecks: 2 http://www.prepressure.com/ps/dbase/limitcheck.htm   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:57:35 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ; Subject: Re: Acrobat Destiller and old DEC/Compaq PS files. ' Message-ID: <3E27B76F.97A56221@aaa.com>    Carl Perkins wrote:  > 1 > You don't say what your platform for this is...  >     " Acrobat Destiller 4.05 on Win2000.< PS file is the "user_guide.ps" and "service_guide.ps" from :C "http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/1000/1000_tech.html"   & That is the docs for the AS1000 2/200.  B B.t.w, Ghostscript using the "pdfwriter" driver on VMS can convertC these files. I get some error messages when reading in the "Reader" 2 on my PC, but all information seems to be there...  = Thanks anyone. This is an old problem, and I'll stop it here.    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:08:18 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Alpha 3000 ... T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660CD6@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Tim,   Re: DEC 3000's ..   H I can vouch that my home DEC 3000 and my work lab DEC 3000's all work ok) up here in the great white north country.   D Runs latest versions of OpenVMS, Oracle, ISV stuff etc just fine.=20  ? I think I also have some HW guides in pdf format kicking around H somewhere, so if interested, drop me a note offline and I will send them
 to you.=20  B You may also need to get the right version of the firmware for the# DEC3000. That can be obtained here: E ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/archive/dec3000.html    Good luck !    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)      -----Original Message-----1 From: Tim Smith [mailto:timasmith@hotmail.com]=20  Sent: January 16, 2003 10:14 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: Alpha 3000 ...     - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message 1 news:<b0754k$modbd$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>... ; > "Tim Smith" <timasmith@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht=20 9 > news:a7234bb1.0301161154.2a968559@posting.google.com...  > > Hi, E > >    I got my Alpha 3000 on EBay for a few hundered bucks - very=20 / > > excited about that. It is on its way to me.  > > I > >    Then I thought, hmm what about the power requirements - so does=20 D > > anyone know do I need to setup some special amp/voltage in my=20G > > basement to get this up and running - anything else I need apart=20 + > > from dry, cool and ideally static free?  > > F > The 3000 is about as problematic as an average PC with respect to=20D > power requirements, humidity and temperature, so no worries there.C > The point is, where are you located and where did the system come 	 from? Not  > all Alphas have anC > external switch to change between US and European voltages AFAIK.  >=20 > Hans  D Cool, thanks for the replies to all.  I'm located in Canada so apart. from being a little cold up I should be ok :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 07:20:59 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Alpha 3000 ... 3 Message-ID: <7ni2LstjxQPv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <a7234bb1.0301161913.337d8d75@posting.google.com>, timasmith@hotmail.com (Tim Smith) writes:  > F > Cool, thanks for the replies to all.  I'm located in Canada so apart0 > from being a little cold up I should be ok :-)  D   Mine does a great job of warming up the basement.  Well, maybe all   those 5 1/2 Seagates help.  D   Just put the Alpha in your favorite room and wait it out 'till the   mosquitoes are back.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:53:26 +0100 1 From: SAP Trainee <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> ; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison & Message-ID: <3E27B676.3040306@Free.fr>   Arne Vajhj a crit: > Shane Smith wrote: > K >> There is no x86 on that list, there's an early Itanic and an Itanic 2. I @ >> made the same mistake initially: saw "Proliant" thought Xeon. >  >  > Ah.  >  > I missed that one. > ; > [I never thougth the first Itanic's ever hit the streets]   % Streets? In French, we say "Iceberg".  :-)    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:27:14 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison 8 Message-ID: <4fmf2vs1ngb3d900bdgebdjs7rdbtn7gbf@4ax.com>  B On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:31:22 -0800, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  G >Unfortunately (at least for me) in German, but the picture says enough  >to be interesting.  > 5 >http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/as-16.01.03-002/  > # >It's labeled SAP SD @ tier, 4 way:  >   >HPServer rx5670 Itanium 2   470  >Alpha Server ES45           426  >Proliant DL590 Itanium      206  >IBM xSeries 440             330  >AMD Opteron 1.6ghz        ca600 > B >Don't know what that "ca" means. Maybe one of our German speakingH >colleagues could read the article and tell us? Babelfish just sat there >when I tried it.  >  >Shane >   E Did anyone notice that the ES45 is not fully specified ? What type of F CPU, and how many were used ? And I would like to see a benchmark of a ES47 too please......    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:31:06 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison ; Message-ID: <01KRC91ZSU6M96VR7Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > Unfortunately (at least for me) in German, but the picture says enough > to be interesting. > 6 > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/as-16.01.03-002/  ! > AMD Opteron 1.6ghz        ca600  > C > Don't know what that "ca" means. Maybe one of our German speaking I > colleagues could read the article and tell us? Babelfish just sat there  > when I tried it.  ? "ca" is an abbreviation for the Latin "circa", "approximately".    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2003 13:07:05 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon); Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison 5 Message-ID: <b08v5p$m673q$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   0 In article <01C2BD52.CCA02350@sulfer.icius.com>,' 	Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: H > Unfortunately (at least for me) in German, but the picture says enough > to be interesting. > 6 > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/as-16.01.03-002/ > $ > It's labeled SAP SD @ tier, 4 way: > ! > HPServer rx5670 Itanium 2   470 ! > Alpha Server ES45           426 ! > Proliant DL590 Itanium      206 ! > IBM xSeries 440             330 ! > AMD Opteron 1.6ghz        ca600  > C > Don't know what that "ca" means. Maybe one of our German speaking I > colleagues could read the article and tell us? Babelfish just sat there  > when I tried it.  E Well, a quick glance and read of the article leads me to believe that F "ca" in that use, means the same thing it would in english. "circa" orF approximately.  Looks to me like the scale on the graph ran out at 500E and they had to interpolate the result as ~600.  Either a strange way H to make a graph or an editorial technique intended to exemplify the ideaE that the Opteron ran off the scale.  In any case, even at only 500 it  beat all the competitors.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2003 13:11:55 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon); Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison 5 Message-ID: <b08ver$m673q$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   ) In article <3E27234A.3040403@vajhoej.dk>, & 	Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > Shane Smith wrote:K >> There is no x86 on that list, there's an early Itanic and an Itanic 2. I @ >> made the same mistake initially: saw "Proliant" thought Xeon. >  > Ah.  >  > I missed that one. > ; > [I never thougth the first Itanic's ever hit the streets]   E But you accept the Itanium results even though you "never thougth the B first Itanic's ever hit the streets" and then discount the OpteronF for exactly that reason. You were wrong about the first and apparently the second as well   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 21:47:46 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison - Message-ID: <87k7h3lwfx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:    > Shane Smith wrote:J > > Unfortunately (at least for me) in German, but the picture says enough > > to be interesting.8 > > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/as-16.01.03-002/& > > It's labeled SAP SD @ tier, 4 way:# > > HPServer rx5670 Itanium 2   470 # > > Alpha Server ES45           426 # > > Proliant DL590 Itanium      206 # > > IBM xSeries 440             330 # > > AMD Opteron 1.6ghz        ca600  >  > So:  > 1. Itanium
 > 2. Alpha > 3. PowerPC > 4. x86 > < > (Opteron is just a chip not a system I can go out and buy)  : Better cross out Alpha as well then Arne. You can't buy an ES45 with Windowz either!    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 21:45:02 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison - Message-ID: <87of6flwkh.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   & Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:  H > Unfortunately (at least for me) in German, but the picture says enough > to be interesting.   6 > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/as-16.01.03-002/   $ > It's labeled SAP SD @ tier, 4 way:   ! > HPServer rx5670 Itanium 2   470 ! > Alpha Server ES45           426 ! > Proliant DL590 Itanium      206 ! > IBM xSeries 440             330 ! > AMD Opteron 1.6ghz        ca600    C > Don't know what that "ca" means. Maybe one of our German speaking C > colleagues could read the article and tell us? Babelfish just sat  > there when I tried it.   Aprox?  B Note well also that the ES45 is running some hacked over bucket ofF bolts lozedoze version for this. It has to be near, what, 3 years old?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:01:17 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison ) Message-ID: <3E2836DD.9080301@vajhoej.dk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:G > But you accept the Itanium results even though you "never thougth the D > first Itanic's ever hit the streets" and then discount the OpteronH > for exactly that reason. You were wrong about the first and apparently > the second as well   ????  6 If you try and read what is written, then you will see that: %    - I thougth the Proliant was a x86 /    - Shane told me that it was an early Itanium ;    - I noted that and wondered why it was there since AFAIK 7      they never sold any of those (it is a valid system :      to test since it has been for sale, but a poor choice)      because very few were actually sold)   ; So the Itanic I accepted was not the one that did not sell. 9 And I think the Itanic that did not seel should have been 8 excluded from an entirely different reason than Opteron.  , So I can not find any meaning in your post !  5 The difference between systems and chips are a common 0 recognized one. It is simply not fair to compare! systems for sale with prototypes.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:33:38 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison ) Message-ID: <3E283E72.3070408@vajhoej.dk>    Paul Repacholi wrote: (  > Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:=  >>(Opteron is just a chip not a system I can go out and buy)   =  > Better cross out Alpha as well then Arne. You can't buy an   > ES45 with Windowz either!   ????  ( I think that I can buy an Alpha system !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:33:44 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison ) Message-ID: <3E283E78.1050507@vajhoej.dk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:3  > In article <01C2BD52.CCA02350@sulfer.icius.com>, *  > 	Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:%  >>It's labeled SAP SD @ tier, 4 way:   >> "  >>HPServer rx5670 Itanium 2   470"  >>Alpha Server ES45           426"  >>Proliant DL590 Itanium      206"  >>IBM xSeries 440             330"  >>AMD Opteron 1.6ghz        ca600  4  >                  In any case, even at only 500 it  > beat all the competitors.   No.   = A chip that will be in systems that will ship sometime in the 9 future was faster than some systems that started shipping  1-2 years ago.  9 If that ES45 was a 1000 MHz then I would call the Opteron  result a total failure.   3 If it was 1250 MHz is just a below expected result.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:47:16 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> ; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison $ Message-ID: <3e28419d$1@news.si.com>  ? >In danish ca. is an abbreviation equal to approx. in english !   F It's actually an abbreviation of the Latin "circa", maning "around" or "about". --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:39:31 -0500 & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>* Subject: Re: assembly/disassembly on vms ?0 Message-ID: <avVV9.159$ip5.129@news.cpqcorp.net>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:   > A simple Alpha dis-assembler.  > ' > $ srm_check :== $sys$system:srm_check $ > $ srm_check -v -dump -file FOO.EXE >   G Note that SRM_CHECK has limitations with floating opcodes.  It formats  A the opcode name, but doesn't even try to format out the operands.      --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:06:54 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> * Subject: Re: assembly/disassembly on vms ?. Message-ID: <3e282a1f$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  L Ayup ;-)  Feel free to add the code to do it.  SRM_CHECK started out in lifeF as a simple hack I wrote to dump a modified device driver image from aG customer where the original source changes were no longer available - I J couldn't just load the driver and dump it in SDA.  So I never finished theI formatting code to be "complete" - especially wrt floating point (since I I was dumping a driver, and FP seemed a bit complicated and not needed).  I K thought Alpha instruction decode was supposed to be simple, doing this code 8 showed me that it's only true at the very high level ;-)    3 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message * news:avVV9.159$ip5.129@news.cpqcorp.net... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > ! > > A simple Alpha dis-assembler.  > > ) > > $ srm_check :== $sys$system:srm_check & > > $ srm_check -v -dump -file FOO.EXE > >  > H > Note that SRM_CHECK has limitations with floating opcodes.  It formatsC > the opcode name, but doesn't even try to format out the operands.  >  >  > --
 > John Reagan ) > Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  > Hewlett-Packard Company  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:02:27 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>2% Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV = Message-ID: <DEPV9.6794$0_1.55020609@news-text.cableinet.net>d   >iH > If you want to have both DECnet circuits active at the same time, thatI > may be true. Otherwise, in DECnet-IV you can set up both lines/circuitsoF > and DEFINE one STATE ON and the other STATE OFF, and make the switch) > manually when the active circuit fails.E >o  H Don't forget that around V5.5-2 (I think) DECnet Phase IV introduced the4 "out of order packet cache" and "end node failover".  L If you've an end node (DVNETEND licence) then you can have multiple circuitsJ in the ON state, but only one of them will be active and it will fail overH to the other should the first circuit in use fail. Makes life very easy, works just fine.  L The "out of order packet cache" is useful if you've a routing node (DVNETRTGI licence) as it lets you have multiple simultaneously active circuits with,D the same cost and it will load balance over all available paths to aJ destination node as controlled by the "path split policy" and the "maximum& path splits" executor characteristics.  E So, just turn them all on and let it work, provided that you've got ae3 suitable network topology (eg: dual-rail ethernet).?   -- Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin. ' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)e   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 21:13:28 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>% Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IVa- Message-ID: <87wul3ly13.fsf@prep.synonet.com>.  0 Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:  E > I want to add a second pair if NICS to my servers. Retain TCP/IP onsA > the "public" (read "current") network paths. Create a "private" D > network for DECnet, and eventually SCS traffic. This will make the > network guys happy.e  . > BUT.... I have to have everything redundant.   E > I was told by CSC that in order to accomplish this, I'd need DECnet  > Plus.?  B CSC are full of obtainium! You can not have the 2  NICs on the oneA logical segment, but multiple interfaces has worked fine for only  25 years now...   3 (you do need a full function decnet licence though)C   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.g@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:33:33 +0100e6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>  Subject: Re: Digital server 5000' Message-ID: <3E283E6D.50603@vajhoej.dk>l   Tom Linden wrote:.  >  >>(at least if you use a recent MS Windows based web-browser)  >  > or Opera.  / Are you running Opera on a non MS Windows box ?0   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:08:14 +0100,? From: "Bo Hermanson" <informentor.hermanson@mailbox.swipnet.se>8' Subject: Re: Experience with VS80/DLT1?m5 Message-ID: <hrRV9.2274$EG4.1790@nntpserver.swip.net>1  8 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> skrev i meddelandet# news:3E229C04.6A196BD0@127.0.0.1...  > Bo Hermanson wrote:n >@J > > Regarding to AlphaServer option list, the VS80/DLT1 Tape drives (scsi) are." > > not supported today under VMS.C > > The low end /performing TZ88 is going away and the alternativest	 TZ89/TZ902& > > are far to expensive to my pocket. > >tJ > > It should be interesting if anyone in this conference has tried to use theTI > > cheaper VS80/DLT1 tape drives and share his/hers backup experience in! thisD > > topic.Any drawback with this drives compared to ordinary DLT/AIT technology?  > >e1 > > Any reason why they shouldn't work under VMS?8# > > Future support for this drives?r >rD > Let us consider the word "support". Support means that it has been > tested, and works.  L Yes, that's the original question, if anyone in this group has tested the VSJ drives in the VMS enviroment and would like to share his/hers experiences.  L Of course support costs work/money and maybe not HP's first priority in thisJ case, I don't know. And vendor support has a true value to us, no question? about that, but if not present, customers has to test themself.uE Tape stations (DLT) are still very expensive in comparitions with themL cpu/disk price evolution. I suppose it's the effect of the DLT monopoly, but shall we$ accept and merrily pay those prices?   <snip from hp's web page>   % Compatibility and Integration TestingiG The DLT VS 40/80 GB tape drives are fully supported and compatible with K ProLiant servers and controllers. HP thoroughly tests products with leadingaD software and operating systems, including VERITAS Backup Exec and CA ARCserve	 <end cut>t  ; Sad to say, I don't see any VMS support mentioned here. :-(d   >rE > Consider the data you are trying to protect with some tape drive orpH > other. What value would you put on the safety of that data, being ableI > to recreate it if the hardware you've selected to protect it fails? How- > deep are your pockets now?   Well, in fact pretty good ;-) = The choice of backup methods/equipment depends on your needs.r  L My point was VS40/80 has better price/performance than the old DLT 20/40 and a better# price than DLT 40/80 (nearly half).   D Are you saying  DLT is superior to VS/DLT1 technique and  that VS is unreliable?a? I know there are some differences but I believe not major ones.r  C > There can be a huge void between "working" and "supported". Money < > 'saved' is a gamble lost when you can't recover your data. >m > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesi > nclews at csc dot come  
 <cut from HP>l Feature List  G Industries first half-height, 5.25-inch form factor tape drive with DLTa8 technology qualified on ProLiant servers from the new HPG Maximum native storage capacity of 40 GB, up to 80 GB assuming 2:1 datah compressioniJ Maximum native data transfer rate of 10.8 GB/hour, up to 21.6 GB/hour with compression , Utilizes industry standard DLT Type IV Media   OverviewL The DLT VS 40/80 GB tape drive is positioned as an upgrade drive for currentL DLT 20/40 customers, offering a 100% increase in capacity and performance atG virtually the same price point. Utilizing industry standard DLT Type IVwI Media, the new DLT VS 40/80 GB tape drive also offers HP customers a higheH degree of Investment Protection by providing backward-read compatibilityL with media previously written in DLT 20/40 format. The DLT VS 40/80 drive isK also read and write compatible with data protection solutions utilizing the I DLT1 tape drive, such as the DLT1 1280 SuperLoader, and can be read by HPfK StorageWorks SDLT 110/220 and 160/320 GB tape drives, providing for an easy E upgrade path to higher capacity and performance drives in the future.,  8 HP DLT VS 40/80 GB Tape Drive Customer benefits include:G Half-height form factor requires only half the space of traditional DLTe@ drives providing customers with more flexibility in high density applicationsK Value-capacity drive offers 100% increase native capacity while maintainings8 an equivalent price point to the DLT 20/40 GB tape driveI Requires fewer data cartridges to complete data backup as compared to then9 DLT 20/40, lowering the customers total cost of ownershipcG 100% improvement in performance reduces the backup window for DLT 20/40i customers by as much as 50%hD Investment protection through backward-read compatibility with media& previously written in DLT 20/40 formatI Can be read by SDLT 110/220 and 160/320 tape drives providing for an easyi) upgrade path to SDLT drives in the future-& Qualified on ProLiant server platformsI DLT VS technology roadmap offers future native drive capacities to 160 GB-   Key FeaturesG Industries first half-height, 5.25-inch form factor tape drive with DLTD( technology qualified on ProLiant serversG Maximum native storage capacity of 40 GB, up to 80 GB assuming 2:1 datae compressioneJ Maximum native data transfer rate of 10.8 GB/hour, up to 21.6 GB/hour with compressiond, Utilizes industry standard DLT Type IV MediaL Backward-read compatibility with data cartridges written in DLT 20/40 formatJ Backward-read and write compatible with DLT1 tape devices such as the DLT1 1280 SuperLoader3 Can be read by SDLT 110/220 and 160/320 tape drivesrH Supported with VERITAS Backup Exec and Computer Associates ARCserve 2000= Qualified behind Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000n	 <end cut>e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:40:23 +0000,( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>' Subject: Re: Experience with VS80/DLT1?:) Message-ID: <3E284007.5C52D7CA@127.0.0.1>t   Bo Hermanson wrote:U >  ...4  F Ah, oh it's in context now. Sorry I had been lazy and hadn't looked up the drive in question. '  D Try asking support through your software contract to see if they areB evaluating or have any plans to, alternatively, offer to undertakeG testing and write a report, we did this for some SAN stuff a while backeH and had very good co-operation from OpenVMS engineering, you should alsoD engage your local OpenVMS ambassador. You could also try pushing the. technical sales people for the drive itself...  
 Good luck. -- i? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesw nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2003 01:53 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) , Subject: Re: Foreign mail question (code 19)- Message-ID: <17JAN200301530984@gerg.tamu.edu>r  4 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes...1 >A few questions about the foreign mail protocol:a > ? >I get an function code value of 19  which I do not know about.y   From MAILDEF.H: N #define MAIL$_SEND_USERNAME 19          /* Username to add to the "To" list */  L So it looks like the code for the username to add to the list of recipeints.  L You have to send the message to somebody... Possibly more than one somebody.  O >It is sent after the message has been written, between the item code of 4 (theh0 >subject) and item code of 5 (the message text). > J >Anyone have any information on this ? The short/incomplete document I hadC >found describing the foreign mail protocol doesn't talk about it.     See:L http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731FINAL/4493/4493pro_048.html#index_x_566  > That is a location in the actual documentation for this stuff.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:45:10 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: Foreign mail question (code 19)/ Message-ID: <3E283316.EBC0ADED@vl.videotron.ca>    Carl Perkins wrote: A > >I get an function code value of 19  which I do not know about.a >  > From MAILDEF.H:eP > #define MAIL$_SEND_USERNAME 19          /* Username to add to the "To" list */    I That is for the callable mail interface, not the foreign mail protocol. Im/ looked there first, but the codes do not match.d   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:32:51 +0000 (UTC)   From: JKB <bertrand@chezmoi.com> Subject: FreeVMS 0.0.39o: Message-ID: <slrnb2fn2m.vci.bertrand@zebigbos.makalis.com>   	Hello,e  > 	A new release of the FreeVMS kernel is announce this morning.> 	For more information : http://freevms.free.fr/indexGB.html or' 	http://freshmeat.net/projects/freevms.n   	Have a nice day,t   	JKB   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:51:19 +0100 1 From: SAP Trainee <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>y Subject: Re: FreeVMS 0.0.39i& Message-ID: <3E27FC47.7080105@Free.fr>  # http://freevms.free.fr/index.html :a  ' Dernire mise  jour : 30 janvier 2002.s  Contact mailto:freevms@free.fr .   Free OpenVMS bug?r   D.   JKB a crit:	 > 	Hello,k > @ > 	A new release of the FreeVMS kernel is announce this morning.@ > 	For more information : http://freevms.free.fr/indexGB.html or) > 	http://freshmeat.net/projects/freevms.h >  > 	Have a nice day,  >  > 	JKB   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:34:33 +0000 (UTC)i  From: JKB <bertrand@chezmoi.com> Subject: Re: FreeVMS 0.0.39-: Message-ID: <slrnb2g1nd.4o2.bertrand@zebigbos.makalis.com>  - Le ven, 17 jan 2003 at 12:51 GMT,  propos dei Re: FreeVMS 0.0.39,r(  SAP Trainee crivait dans comp.os.vms :% > http://freevms.free.fr/index.html :> > ) > Dernire mise  jour : 30 janvier 2002.i" > Contact mailto:freevms@free.fr .  < 	I know... I only update the english page. And you can see :  	Last update 17th of january ;-)   	JKB   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 04:04:03 -0800+ From: steve.spires@torex.com (Steve Spires)iC Subject: Function keys no longer work after TCPware upgrade to 5.6.e< Message-ID: <57136ccc.0301170404.34def9e@posting.google.com>  % Has anybody seen this problem before?   @ We carried out an upgrade of both VMS and TCPware, so we are nowA sitting at VMS 7.3 and TCPware 5.6 [on Alpha in case this makes amD difference] but since doing the upgrade function keys [F1 to F14] noE longer work correctly - it looks like the escape sequences might haveo changed, I'm not sure exactly.  D If you've done a similar upgrade and have had a similar problem, any help would be appreciated.   Cheers   Steve Spires Technical Consultant Torex Health   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:26:43 +0000i( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>6 Subject: Re: HP Sets the Stage for Alpha's Last Hurrah( Message-ID: <3E27F683.4601BC2@127.0.0.1>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > M > Inquirer reports should always be taken with a large grain of salt.  I havecK > seen everything from remarkably accurate statements that imply a theft of3G > internal slides, to statements that can only have been made by peopleaM > without a clue, probably based on some third hand hallway conversation, andn& > also by people with an axe to grind.  B For that pretty much all media reports should be taken in the sameB light. I'm not really sure why they don't set themselves up in the@ nearest salt mine, and provide you with your own supply of NaCl,G flavoured with the political leanings of the publication [broadcast] at  time of press [transmission].	  C I remain amazed by the numbers who still don't believe the media isxH manufactured. One of the main reasons I avoided it, I couldn't live withF it. The rows of ready-made obituaries and media embargoes that did it.  G I'm in a particularly cynical mood today, in an internal forum, I endedm a post with:  E '"Legacy" systems are the future when you've stopped listening to thet pied piper...'  E Enough, anyone got a spare DECserver 700-8MC in the UK going begging?  :-)>   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot comm   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jan 2003 13:00:31 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)6 Subject: Re: Itanium with alpha goodies on the way ...5 Message-ID: <b08upe$m673q$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>n  2 In article <x4edncBp06Pa2rqjXTWcpQ@metrocast.net>,- 	"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:e > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messaget8 > news:d7791aa1.0301160720.bb0b8d5@posting.google.com... >> >> See Alsot+ >> Itanic will use Alpha, EV8, SMT featurese > H > Since you've proved completely ineducable for years now I really don'tN > expect any of the above to sink in, but it seemed appropriate to clarify theE > situation for others who might not realize the degree to which your ! > statements are complete drivel.g >   C Somehow, I doubt that anyone here is dumb enough to apply any value  to what Bob has to say anymore.e   bill   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:11:12 GMTm0 From: rw@vorpalbunnyeircom.net (Russell Wallace)$ Subject: Re: Montecito slips to 20050 Message-ID: <3e280027.336330815@news.eircom.net>  , On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:16:24 -0400, JF Mezei( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  K >While, in the end, performance is what counts, I am puzzled as to why IA64.K >needs so much cache to achieve its performance. Is IA64 so flawed that theIJ >only way to achieve palatable performance to load the chip up with a huge >about of fast cache memory ?   E My guess would be that it would achieve palatable performance withoutrB such a large cache, but including it is the only way to _beat_ the9 competition on performance (as Itanium 2 has been doing).c  F Since Itanium now has no realistic prospect of success on the desktop,@ Intel are probably desperate to increase its share of the server; market to try to ensure its survival, and if they can get aaE performance boost by spending money on more cache it's probably worth  doing.  / >Or do other processors have the same amount of  >cache memory ?n   No.o   -- o3 "Mercy to the guilty is treachery to the innocent.",+ Remove killer rodent from address to reply. ! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 21:38:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>$ Subject: Re: Montecito slips to 2005- Message-ID: <87smvrlwuu.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  2 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  C > While, in the end, performance is what counts, I am puzzled as to6E > why IA64 needs so much cache to achieve its performance. Is IA64 so C > flawed that the only way to achieve palatable performance to load B > the chip up with a huge about of fast cache memory ? Or do other3 > processors have the same amount of cache memory ?A  A I think it is because adding cache is the only thing they CAN do!e2 Well, the only one that has a chance of working...  E Consider that Alpha and the great shining shite both started at aboutbD the same time. Compare the development that Alpha had anf the almost! total lack on the itanic front...e   -- k< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 10:03:55 -0800' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) $ Subject: Re: Montecito slips to 2005= Message-ID: <734da31c.0301171003.5f0be2c5@posting.google.com>   d "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<dFydnagSI9UjCLqjXTWcog@metrocast.net>...? > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message + > news:3E277586.B43C15C4@vl.videotron.ca...d > > Bill Todd wrote: > > >-/ > > > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-980898.html0 > >mN > > Interesting. The heading says Intel is moving Montecito ahead from 2007 toJ > > 2005. But later in the article, it is written Montecito was originally
 >  planned> > > for 2004. So in the end, they have delayed it by one year. > >hN > > While, in the end, performance is what counts, I am puzzled as to why IA64N > > needs so much cache to achieve its performance. Is IA64 so flawed that theM > > only way to achieve palatable performance to load the chip up with a huge L > > about of fast cache memory ? Or do other processors have the same amount >  ofa > > cache memory ? > M > No, they have from considerably less to a hell of a lot less:  EV68 had 128 L > KB on chip (though up to 16 MB off chip, which is supposedly over half theJ > speed of the new EV7 on-chip L2), EV7 has 1.75 MB on chip, POWER4 and 4+K > have about 1.5 MB on chip, Athlons have 384 KB on chip, Pentiums have 256aN > KB - 512 KB on chip, Xeons have 512 KB - 2 MB on chip, Hammers will have 3844 > KB - 1 MB on chip, PA-RISC has 1.5 MB on chip, ... > J > I've heard it said that one reason Itanic requires so much fast cache isL > because it's an in-order processor, which means that any cache miss stallsB > the processor entirely while it waits for main memory (unlike anD > out-of-order processor which can often keep crunching ahead in theJ > instruction stream executing independent instructions that don't requireI > uncached data while the request to main memory completes).  That soundsyL > reasonable, at any rate.  SPARC is an in-order processor as well, and only4 > recently got a decent-sized on-chip cache (1 MB?). >  > - bill  C The high-performance Alphas (those who are benchmarked) have pretty4D large caches. DS20/DS25 have 8Mb Level 2 cache, DS20L have 4Mb, ES45( have 8-16Mb, GS80-360 have 16Mb cache...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 20:02:02 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today? - Message-ID: <871y3cm1c5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  ( Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  F > I definitely *would* like to see the Adobe Destiller on VMS !!!  BotD > not to use VMS as a desktop, but to automate PS-PDF conversions inE > larger server/batch environments. When it commes to the Reader, theg > PC version runs just fine.  D Why would anyone want to convert PS to PDF? So the PC iriots can askA how to print it on a postscript printer? So you can give money ton@ Adobe as they force software churn to keep the money rolling in?   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:01:24 +0100m9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?5' Message-ID: <3E280CB4.BA835352@aaa.com>n  2 So not only the computer nerds can use my manuals. Easier to handle on the web.< Far more users have a PDF reader then a PS viewer on the PC.; If you search the web today, what do you think is the ratioe7 between available docs in PDF format and in PS format ?S   What is a "PC idiot" ? *Anyone* using a PC ?u I do...   8 And how can *anyone* write software and sell it, without( having at least *some* money rolling in.  - Ah, I see, you forgot the ":-)", didn't you ?    Jan-Erik Sderholm.a   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > F > Why would anyone want to convert PS to PDF? So the PC iriots can askC > how to print it on a postscript printer? So you can give money to B > Adobe as they force software churn to keep the money rolling in?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:26:26 -0400i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today? / Message-ID: <3E283CBF.F228C329@vl.videotron.ca>n   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: > > Far more users have a PDF reader then a PS viewer on the PC.  1 Very few have a PDF viewer on their workstation. i  M TRhe problem with using your PV/MAC to view documentation is that it isn't on.L the same screen as on your VMS workstation. And you can't copy/paste between? the PDF document and your edit session on your VMS workstation.l    > With proper bookmarks, PDF can be about as good as bookreader.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 08:43:06 -08000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)3 Subject: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ?? = Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0301170843.5e64fb2f@posting.google.com>e   Hi Guys,E         I am interested in finding out if anyone uses NTP for keepings their system time accurate?c?         If so, do you use an HP/Compaq product or a third partyt product?F         Is an Agent/Client required, and how do I go about getting it?   Thanks in advance,   Dave.   F "    Berkeley produced only two interesting things in the 60/70's, LSD	 and Unix.s.                   It can't be a coincidence!!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:18:50 GMTt7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) 7 Subject: Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ?? @ Message-ID: <_VWV9.716062$%m4.3407727@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  p In article <a3c44af1.0301170843.5e64fb2f@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:	 >Hi Guys,-F >        I am interested in finding out if anyone uses NTP for keeping >their system time accurate?   Hi Dave,  , There is a whole section of the OpenVMS FAQ:  6 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html   N which deals with OpenVMS timekeeping (chapter 4).  Answers to a number of your questions may be found there.n  J This subject has also been discussed many times in this forum; use Google:  . http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search  > to seacrh the "archives" of comp.os.vms for these discussions.  
 Good luck!  @ >        If so, do you use an HP/Compaq product or a third party	 >product? G >        Is an Agent/Client required, and how do I go about getting it?P >r >Thanks in advance,O >r >Dave. >aG >"    Berkeley produced only two interesting things in the 60/70's, LSDl
 >and Unix./ >                  It can't be a coincidence!!"-  . "UNIX: the psychotropic of the geek world"	:-)  A _________________________________________________________________a0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"p   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:22:11 GMTrF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)7 Subject: Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ?? 0 Message-ID: <7ZWV9.175$sr5.141@news.cpqcorp.net>  p In article <a3c44af1.0301170843.5e64fb2f@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes: > 	 >Hi Guys,uF >        I am interested in finding out if anyone uses NTP for keeping >their system time accurate?@ >        If so, do you use an HP/Compaq product or a third party	 >product? G >        Is an Agent/Client required, and how do I go about getting it?  >  >Thanks in advance,  >  >Dave.  D Many of the systems here within HP, at least in OpenVMS Engineering,@ use NTP to synchronize the time.  I've set up my personal system) and most of my group's systems to use it.   ? It's built into TCP/IP for OpenVMS, which is what we use.  (I'm = not sure how far back you can go with TCP/IP or UCX and still > have NTP, but it's certainly been included for several years.); It should show up in the regular menues in TCPIP$CONFIG.COMa  ; I don't know what software is running on the corporate time ? servers that supply the time information.  At least some of the < intermediate systems between "me" and "them" run OpenVMS and8 TCP/IP, which can be a reference as well as a client.  I personally only run clients.   -- r(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have aa5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.k   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:33:48 +0100u6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>7 Subject: Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??h) Message-ID: <3E283E7C.2030401@vajhoej.dk>n   Dave Baxter wrote:H  >         I am interested in finding out if anyone uses NTP for keeping  > their system time accurate?B  >         If so, do you use an HP/Compaq product or a third party  > product?tI  >         Is an Agent/Client required, and how do I go about getting it?y   UCX has NTP.  + You can either get from a system you trust.n  5 Or better buy a GPS based appliance to get time from.a   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 12:44:44 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 7 Subject: Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ?? 3 Message-ID: <NRDlp9h4Bj+W@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <a3c44af1.0301170843.5e64fb2f@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:
 > Hi Guys,G >         I am interested in finding out if anyone uses NTP for keeping0 > their system time accurate?-A >         If so, do you use an HP/Compaq product or a third partyn
 > product?  0    Built into Multinet, been using it for years.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:27:29 -0400>0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??l/ Message-ID: <3E283CFE.CED0E8CC@vl.videotron.ca>o   Dave Baxter wrote: > 
 > Hi Guys,G >         I am interested in finding out if anyone uses NTP for keepinge > their system time accurate?0  H An NTP client comes with TCPIP Services on VMS (and I assume other TCPIP network stacks).  G One question though: how does one go about finding NTP servers that cani provide the time ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:43:18 +0100m From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: NT on Alpha8 Message-ID: <2tmf2vs8nsmv0rb0jbo0i1k894cfoufd9h@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:23:28 -0600, arturo saavedra ! <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> wrote:    >  >Does somebody have the copy of that program that is supposed to "enhance" 32bit apps on the 64bit Alpha platorm?  As I recall, I had to let that run and it would "tweek" the 32bit app and make it perform better. >n >Thanks! >art  C No, that is not what it does. Windooz is 32 bit on Intel and Alpha.nD What FX32! does is translating 32bit Intel Windows programs to 32bitA Alpha Windows programs. However they should be true 32bit windows-@ programs, and they should not contain old 16 bit stuff like withC Micro$oft Office junk. I have never used it, but FX32! will emulateaE the Intel processor, and it will over time 'change' the exe file to asD kind of Alpha Windows exe. The end result is an executable that willB run at about 75% of the speed of a true Alpha Windows application.  C There should have been a 64 bit Windows 2000 (=NT5) version for thelE Alpha, as promised by M$. However they did not fulfill their promise,tB and only wanted to sell a 32 bit Alpha version. Now who would have6 guessed that, Micro$oft not fulfilling its promise ???   >n >  >-----Original Message-----c- >From: Dean Woodward [mailto:deanw@rdrop.com]e) >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:00 PMo >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: NT on Alphai >s >l >Shane Smith wrote:DC >> To take a quote from a recent post out of context: "Danger, Will E >> Robinson!!!". Windows NT reaches out to all available disks duringhI >> installation, and "marks" them. It claims this "mark" is harmless, andiE >> it is to other MS operating systems, but I've seen reports that ite" >> totally borks VMS format disks. >sF >I don't believe this happens on installation- rather, the first time F >you run Disk Manager.  Regardless, the obvious solution is to unplug $ >the VMS disks before installing NT. >lH >And yes, letting NT write a signature to a VMS disk will make you wish  >you hadn't.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:42:29 +0000 (UTC)o5 From: "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk>  Subject: Re: NT on Alpha1 Message-ID: <b08q74$ir4$1@knossos.btinternet.com>m  . No you can't use the standard Win2K/x86 image.  I Courtesy of Bill and Bob, Windows 2000 for Alpha never made it to retail;eH you need to find a Windows 2000 Beta for Alpha (?) CD somewhere. ReleaseG Candidate 1 sounds good. Allegedly (again according to www.alphant.com)nD Office2000(x86) works ok under the FX!32 equivalent in Windows 2000.  	 good luckn john      = "arturo saavedra" <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> wrote in message < news:NDBBJFNBJJHKADILJHIJEELNLAAA.arturo.saavedra@mci.com...K That's news to me, there is an actual win2k version for Alpha? or can I usee the standard win2k image ?   -----Original Message-----: From: John Wallace [mailto:johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk]( Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:22 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt Subject: Re: NT on Alpha    L According to  www.alphant.com, FX!32 technology was effectively incorporatedJ direct into the OS in Windows 2000/Alpha. I can't remember whether MS tookJ it as was or "improved" it.  So depending on the purpose of this exercise,K Win2K Alpha might be of interest even though it never got to final release.R   hthe john  3 "Tom Crabtree" <tccrab@sunset.net> wrote in messagew$ news:3E2751BB.8288E651@sunset.net...G > If what you are looking for is software which will cripple your 64biteJ Alpha system so that it will run 32bit Windoze Applications, then FX32! is what you seek:9 > http://www.support.compaq.com/amt/fx32/fx-download.htmlw > H > If you should ever find software which 'tweaks' 32bit apps to optimize% them for 64bit hardware please share!o >r > TomC >c >e > arturo saavedra wrote: > C > > Does somebody have the copy of that program that is supposed toiK "enhance" 32bit apps on the 64bit Alpha platorm?  As I recall, I had to let G that run and it would "tweek" the 32bit app and make it perform better.e > >  > > Thanks!n > > art  > >o > > -----Original Message-----0 > > From: Dean Woodward [mailto:deanw@rdrop.com], > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:00 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn > > Subject: Re: NT on Alpha > >i > > Shane Smith wrote:F > > > To take a quote from a recent post out of context: "Danger, WillH > > > Robinson!!!". Windows NT reaches out to all available disks duringL > > > installation, and "marks" them. It claims this "mark" is harmless, andH > > > it is to other MS operating systems, but I've seen reports that it% > > > totally borks VMS format disks.- > >-H > > I don't believe this happens on installation- rather, the first timeH > > you run Disk Manager.  Regardless, the obvious solution is to unplug' > > the VMS disks before installing NT.B > >sJ > > And yes, letting NT write a signature to a VMS disk will make you wish > > you hadn't.t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:06:02 -0600e0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> Subject: RE: NT on AlphaB Message-ID: <NDBBJFNBJJHKADILJHIJOEMLLAAA.arturo.saavedra@mci.com>  F Thanks for the explanation, all.  The reason for my asking is that I =I work from home a good 50% of the time and as of about a year ago, I had =nJ access to our internal network via ISDN.  We'll, the powers that be took =G that away from us and we must rely on a VPN client that runs on.. you =CJ guessed it.. Windows only.  Now I would rather use VMS at home, but if I =J could at least get away with NT on Alpha, I'd at least have the pleasure =H of running Alpha.  Unless somebody knows of VPN Client that can run on = VMS :)   Thanks!!   -----Original Message-----: From: John Wallace [mailto:johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk]& Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:42 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr Subject: Re: NT on Alpha    . No you can't use the standard Win2K/x86 image.  C Courtesy of Bill and Bob, Windows 2000 for Alpha never made it to =@ retail;kH you need to find a Windows 2000 Beta for Alpha (?) CD somewhere. ReleaseG Candidate 1 sounds good. Allegedly (again according to www.alphant.com)iD Office2000(x86) works ok under the FX!32 equivalent in Windows 2000.  	 good luck: john      = "arturo saavedra" <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> wrote in messagee< news:NDBBJFNBJJHKADILJHIJEELNLAAA.arturo.saavedra@mci.com...I That's news to me, there is an actual win2k version for Alpha? or can I =. user the standard win2k image ?   -----Original Message-----: From: John Wallace [mailto:johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk]( Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:22 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma Subject: Re: NT on Alpha    A According to  www.alphant.com, FX!32 technology was effectively =  incorporatedG direct into the OS in Windows 2000/Alpha. I can't remember whether MS =h tookB it as was or "improved" it.  So depending on the purpose of this =	 exercise,/D Win2K Alpha might be of interest even though it never got to final = release.   hthr john  3 "Tom Crabtree" <tccrab@sunset.net> wrote in messageh$ news:3E2751BB.8288E651@sunset.net...G > If what you are looking for is software which will cripple your 64bitrI Alpha system so that it will run 32bit Windoze Applications, then FX32! =q is what you seek:9 > http://www.support.compaq.com/amt/fx32/fx-download.htmlt >dH > If you should ever find software which 'tweaks' 32bit apps to optimize% them for 64bit hardware please share!y >  > TomC >  >o > arturo saavedra wrote: >hC > > Does somebody have the copy of that program that is supposed touI "enhance" 32bit apps on the 64bit Alpha platorm?  As I recall, I had to =e letoG that run and it would "tweek" the 32bit app and make it perform better.  > >e > > Thanks!, > > artl > >  > > -----Original Message-----0 > > From: Dean Woodward [mailto:deanw@rdrop.com], > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:00 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come > > Subject: Re: NT on Alpha > >r > > Shane Smith wrote:F > > > To take a quote from a recent post out of context: "Danger, WillH > > > Robinson!!!". Windows NT reaches out to all available disks duringJ > > > installation, and "marks" them. It claims this "mark" is harmless, = and H > > > it is to other MS operating systems, but I've seen reports that it% > > > totally borks VMS format disks.n > >eH > > I don't believe this happens on installation- rather, the first timeH > > you run Disk Manager.  Regardless, the obvious solution is to unplug' > > the VMS disks before installing NT.o > >rG > > And yes, letting NT write a signature to a VMS disk will make you =d wish > > you hadn't.r >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:51:46 -0500/; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>e Subject: Re: NT on Alpha$ Message-ID: <3e2842ab$1@news.si.com>  9 >I have an Alpha Server 1000 with VMS 7.2  (as Hobbyist).s) >I want to try to put NT on this server .e  I When we purchased an AlphaServer 1000 4/233, it was licensed for OpenVMS.tL We then bought an NT license and switched it to that.  You'll need to changeG the console firmware or, if you're lucky, just switch to the NT consolehL code.  Switching from NT to/from VMS requires different console software for	 each O/S.4 --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comr5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.o@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:35:41 -0800h% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>s Subject: Re: NT on Alpha( Message-ID: <3E284CFD.2000601@rdrop.com>   Dirk Munk wrote:5 > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:23:28 -0600, arturo saavedrabE > No, that is not what it does. Windooz is 32 bit on Intel and Alpha.fF > What FX32! does is translating 32bit Intel Windows programs to 32bit   1) FX!32, not FX32!  2) From the whitepaper at 4 http://www.support.compaq.com/amt/fx32/fx-white.html  0     The background optimizer produces high-speed8     native Alpha code from x86 code by using information6     that is gathered into profiles by the runtime. The7     native Alpha code is subsequently made available tof7     the runtime and executed the next time the image ist6     run. It is this coordinated process that adds high5     performance to the transparency of execution, ande&     truly distinguishes DIGITAL FX!32.  E > There should have been a 64 bit Windows 2000 (=NT5) version for theeG > Alpha, as promised by M$. However they did not fulfill their promise,hD > and only wanted to sell a 32 bit Alpha version. Now who would have8 > guessed that, Micro$oft not fulfilling its promise ???  F Compaq killed Windows on Alpha, not Microsoft.  MS's only role was in B being indifferent- if a CPU maker (other than Intel) wanted an NT E port, they had to do the work and pay the costs involved.  Q decided o, supporting NT on AXP wasn't worth the costs.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 07:57:11 -0800! From: nntpnews@thethin.net (Kyle)p. Subject: OKIdata ML 320 Control Codes from VMS= Message-ID: <30209e88.0301170757.6c2d3d4f@posting.google.com>e  D Has anyone ever had any success sending printer control codes, underE VMS, to an OKI ML 320? We are trying to print 1" labels with the 320.dD But what we are getting is the amount of labels we send, plus a formF feed to take up the rest of the page. Therefore wasting about 2 labelsC per job, rolling the printer back after each job is not acceptable.   ) The labels are perforated after each one.u  F Solution: Set the page length to 1". (Oki's menu only goes to 3", so I need to send a control code)  B So we built a queue specifying NOFEED and, a form with no margins,B /SETUP=(our control sequence module), and a length of 6 lines(1").B Then we finally created a new device control library (text) with aB module containing (Direct from the OKI manual)"<ESC> C 06". (<ESC> being ascii-27).  C The end result, a 06 printed at the top of the job, and the printer / totally ignoring the control code I sent to it.   C I'm thinking my formatting of the module is flawed, or this printers3 just doesn't know what to do with the esc sequence?a  & Any help would be greatly appreciated!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:23:20 -0400o0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: OKIdata ML 320 Control Codes from VMS/ Message-ID: <3E283C06.44975596@vl.videotron.ca>l  R I don't have the exact asnwer for you, but I do what you want on my good old LA75.  5 Here is some information which may be of help to you:S $ show queue matrix/fullP Terminal queue MATRIX, idle, on VELO::TXA6:, mounted form LABELS (stock=DEFAULT)/   <LA75 LABELS (12 lignes-40 caractres/label)>rC   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=LABELS (stock=DEFAULT)) Lowercaseu?   /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /NO_INITIAL_FF /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:RS)A     $ show queue/form labels/fulli9 Form name                            Number   Descriptionh9 ---------                            ------   -----------EB LABELS (stock=DEFAULT)                   57   40char*12line labelsM     /LENGTH=12 /MARGIN=(TOP=1,BOTTOM=1) /SETUP=(LINES-PAGE-12) /STOCK=DEFAULTo
     /WIDTH=40t    H $ SET TERMINAL 'DEVMATRIX /NOBROADCAST /NOTYPEAHEAD /WRAP /FORM /NOTAB -E       /LOWER /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC /SPEED=(9600) /WIDTH=(80) /PAGE=(12) -e       /DEV=LA75 /NOECHO /PERMs $!8 $ SET DEVICE /SPOOLED=(MATRIX,SYS$SYSDEVICE:) 'DEVMATRIX  I If I  LIB/EXTRACT=lines-page-12/output=temp.tmp sys$library:sysdevctl.tlbs   and then dump/rec temp.tmp I getwF Dump of file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]TEMP.TMP;1 on 17-JAN-2003 13:24:44.359 File ID (2652,1618,0)   End of file block 1 / Allocated 6f  ? Record number 1 (00000001), 5 (0005) bytes, RFA(0001,0000,0000)a  <                          74 32315B1B .[12t........... 000000  ? Which is the DEC sequence to set the LA75 to 12 lines per page.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:42:08 +0100 (MET)n9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>M% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist licenceM; Message-ID: <01KRC34OPH8Y8WW5NX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  C > Obviously someone at Montagar should really update that terms and 9 > condition page to remove the reference to VAX OpenVMS. -  % Not a direct reply to the above, but:a  G Obviously, someone at HP should really update the VMS documentation to e@ remove references to VAX when the things apply to ALPHA as well.   :-)   = On the other hand, they can leave in the references to DEC.  i   :-)n   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 09:18:46 -0800, From: mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin)0 Subject: Oracle LMON and LMDO buffered I/O usage= Message-ID: <e9cbc4f2.0301170918.296fa424@posting.google.com>i  D I am running Oracle Enterprise Server version 8.1.6.0.0 on Alpha VMS< 7.2. This is on a home system (AlphaStation 500 with 256MB).  D Oracle works OK but there are two processes that eat up huge amountsE of buffered I/O's, even on a totally idle database. The processes areoF LMON and LMDO. When I do a MONITOR SYSTEM, the buffered I/O total sitsD at about 1030 and the top users alternate between the LMDO and LMON,? at 512 or 513 each. After three days of uptime (with no process A accessing Oracle for the first two), the LMON has done 6133499390 D I/O's and the LMDO has done 6133587962 I/O's. Here's the output form SHOW SYSTEM:  F 2020012E ORA_V8160000000 LEF      6      194   0 00:00:00.22       277    263F 20200130 ORA_CALLS1_PMON HIB      6      117   0 00:00:04.60       895   1079F 20200131 ORA_CALLS1_LMON HIB      6133499390   0 00:00:06.45      1551   1340F 20200132 ORA_CALLS1_LMD0 HIB      6133587962   0 00:00:06.13       908    909F 20200133 ORA_CALLS1_DBW0 HIB      6      168   0 00:00:00.41       939   1010F 20200134 ORA_CALLS1_LGWR HIB      6      250   0 00:00:00.39       906   1056F 20200135 ORA_CALLS1_CKPT HIB      5   169118   0 00:01:45.14       770   1115F 20200136 ORA_CALLS1_SMON HIB      4      200   0 00:00:09.84      1634   1267F 20200137 ORA_CALLS1_RECO HIB      4      103   0 00:00:00.96      1103   1381F 20200138 ORA_LISTENER907 HIB      5   260834   0 00:00:10.93       793    596F 20200199 ORA_CALLS1B4824 LEF      6      191   0 00:00:00.35      2835   1022      
 Any ideas?   Thanks in advance.   Bill McLaughlinl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:44:47 -0000y2 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam>9 Subject: osu/http-server + gecko browser support for .csv 4 Message-ID: <b08mqa$78r$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk>  . On our intranet we have a fair few .csv files.B ie, of course, knows what to do with csv, & doesn't care about the
 mime-type.K The server's set up (by default or design) to serve csv & various others as  "application/vnd.ms-excel".   L Mozilla adds a spurious '.xls' when saving it, so it's "file.csv.xls",  then/ invokes Excel, which mis-processes it horribly.t  C We also mail csvs to customers, as application/octet-stream. Again,yL windows/outlook/office recipients have no problem, but others can't read it.  < There isn't, afaik, a standard mime-type for csv, curiously.C Can anyone suggest a mime-type that works, for either application ? L For the intranet, we just need it loaded to a spreadsheet as-is, rather than having .xls suffixed.iI For mail, we could do to have mail clients use plain text when there's no C spreadsheet (many of our customers have Macs, some dtp, no Office).   
 Thanks, Chrisy   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:24:57 GMTt' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>l= Subject: Re: osu/http-server + gecko browser support for .csvg, Message-ID: <3E27E802.5070300@theblakes.com>   Chris Sharman wrote:  M >Mozilla adds a spurious '.xls' when saving it, so it's "file.csv.xls",  then'0 >invokes Excel, which mis-processes it horribly. >hG This sounds like bug http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65827   which doesn't have fix yet.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:07:48 -0400-0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>= Subject: Re: osu/http-server + gecko browser support for .csvR/ Message-ID: <3E283863.B694B06C@vl.videotron.ca>s   Chris Sharman wrote:> > There isn't, afaik, a standard mime-type for csv, curiously.E > Can anyone suggest a mime-type that works, for either application ?   	 There is:"  E http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/text/tab-separated-values8   Not quite what you need though.e  L Since those csv files are essentually text files, have youconsidered sending them as text/plain ?L This would make it more likely that the data will be saved in te OS's nativeE text file type (but not garanteed) and then the user can import it ina" his/her/its favourite application.      N Here is an intertesting one: this is a microsoft submitted document at iana toQ officially define excell's mime type:  (the part about security is interesting !)n  % >Media Type: application/vnd.ms-excels3 >--------------------------------------------------  >h& >Name             Microsoft Excel (tm) >y$ >Required parameters:           None > $ >Optional parameters:           name >i0 >Encoding considerations:       base64 preferred >aK >Security considerations:               As with most application types thisc data isnF >intended for interpretation by a program that understands the data onG >the recipient's system. Recipients need to understand that they are attH >the "mercy" of the sender, when receiving this type of data, since dataE >will be executed on their system, and the security of their machinesI >can be violated.a   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 09:06:30 -0800. From: Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman)4 Subject: Recovering from deleted .PCSI$DATABASE file= Message-ID: <69d784c4.0301170906.37aaa68a@posting.google.com>n  M I inadvertantly deleted a .PCSI$DATABASE product file and don't have a backup K copy of it.  The only DSNlink articles I can find indicate that I will havee0 to recreate the entire set of PRODUCT databases.  J Does anyone have another workaround?  (I really don't need the history forL this particular product.)  Would copying this file from another system work?   TIAo   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 01:04:53 -08007 From: stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge),# Subject: Re: Sockets API and Pascalo= Message-ID: <a48f6f51.0301170104.38d56f6d@posting.google.com>-  T Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message news:<3E26CCFC.1010002@vajhoej.dk>... > J > [external(decc$ntohs)] function ntohs(%IMMED v : uword) : uword; extern; >   $ Cheers. It's easy when you know how.     Steven   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:39:32 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>c% Subject: Re: Suppressing SMTP headersw; Message-ID: <01KRC318DC428WW5NX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  K > > While there might be valid reasons for preferring MX to UCX/TCPIP SMTP,a > > this is NOT one of them. > M > Yes, it is.  TCP/IP Services cannot control individual headers.  You eithereM > have them all or you don't.  If you have them, they're either at the top orhK > the bottom.  With MX, you can include exactly the headers you want, place < > them at the top or the bottom, and suppress the remainder.  G OK, MX can do more here, nice---but the original poster just wanted to 5I get rid of all of them at the top.  He asked how to do this, and what HE  ? wanted to do CAN be done with Vanilla DEC TCPIP out of the box.p  : As I said, there might be OTHER reasons for preferring MX.  I Discussions here, especially with newbies, should compare MX to a modern -0 version of TCPIP and not to UCX 3.2 or whatever.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 05:31:04 -0800) From: joelleauffret@lucent.com (jauffret)1- Subject: TCP/IP socket using VMS QIO servicesB= Message-ID: <cddefe9c.0301170531.22bd01eb@posting.google.com>a  G I just try to run the client/server examples provided in TCPIP$EXAMPLESr6 using QIO services, with the following modifications :, - server : a loop on sending "Hello, World!"K - client : a loop on reading socket (and buffer size = 14 = sizeof string) h  N Result : run is ok. Always complete messages send by server and read by client  K Then, I try to add the function modifier IO$M_NOWAIT in the server program,o2 for no wait when the socket send buffers are full.L I obtained the status code SS$_SUSPENDED in iosb, as described in TCP/IP doc# in this case, but always bytcnt=35.e  F Is there a possibility not to send piece of message, but just completeG message (as without IO$M_NOWAIT), and why do we have always 35 in iosb.h  
 Versions : - Alpha OpenVMS 7.3a - TCP/IP Services 5.3o  
 Thanks a lot.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:09:40 +0100E9 From: "Robert TRAWISKI" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl>i Subject: Re: THREADCP problem . Message-ID: <b08rk9$aqg$1@bozon.softax.com.pl>  ! Thanks very much for your supporto   Robert   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 18:13:17 +0100B From: holitska_a@cut-it-outludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs) Subject: Re: TZ15 problems! Message-ID: <2h9Ft6m$J1MN@ludens>e  b In article <3e26fb3f$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:K > I have a cluster of VAXes with four TZ15 (8mm) tape drives.  These drivesiN > have been working fine for years.  Last week, three of them started to fail,L > reporting parity errors, device offline, and such.  All four of the drivesN > are in StorageWorks cannisters with two drives in a BA shelf attached to theI > SCSI bus of VAXA at positions 1 and 4 of the shelf and the other two insL > another BA shelf attached to the SCSI bus of VAXB and at positions 2 and 5, > of the shelf.  Thus, the drives appear as: >  > $ sho dev mk > N > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans > MnteN >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count > Cnt2. > $10$MKA100:   (VAXA)  Online               0/ > $10$MKA200:    (VAXB)  Online               0S. > $10$MKA400:   (VAXA)  Online               0/ > $10$MKA500:    (VAXB)  Online               0a > N > Our field service persion replaced the failed drives, but all of a sudden, I > see: >  > $ sho dev mk > N > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans > MntnN >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count > Cnto. > $10$MKA100:   (VAXA)  Online               0/ > $10$MKA200:    (VAXB)  Online               0 / > $10$MKA400:    (VAXB)  Online               0n. > $10$MKA400:   (VAXA)  Online               0/ > $10$MKA500:    (VAXB)  Online               0d > M > Notice the extra MKA400.  It appeared when we inserted a drive in slot 5 of N > the shelf attached to VAXB.  It responds to commands as though it is MKA400.I > We've checked the jumpers and they seem properly set to allow the shelfuI > position to determine the SCSI ID.  If I reference the real MKA400 from-M > VAXA, both MKA400s show up as allocated and in use.  If I move the drive to?I > another slot (i.e., if I remove MKA200 and put MKA500 in its place), itnK > acquires the SCSI ID of the slot, so I know it's not hard-wired to a SCSIpM > ID.  Lastly, if I try to reference MKA500, I get device timeouts, as thoughvL > it's not there at all (which it appears to be the case, since the drive is2 > getting SCSI ID 4, in spite of being in slot 5). > J > Now, I've made these drive switches while the VAXes have been running byI > removing the power cords to the shelves and then removing/inserting theaF > drives and finally replacing the cords.  Since they're not on an HSxN > controller, there's no quiesce the bus button.  Besides, since these devicesN > are the only ones on the bus besides the VAXes and no I/O is occuring when IM > change them, I'm not worried about data loss.  Hoever, something appears totM > be screwed up.  Rebooting is hard to do, since the VAXes are production anda > used 24 hours a day. > J > Any suggestions?  If I need to reboot, I can arrange it, but it's a last	 > resort.e  @ Maybe SYSGEN> AUTOCONFIGURE shomething? I don't recall the exact1 command syntax (different on Alphas and VAXen)...e  B You can specify which device it should reconfigure (and you shouldC specifiy it, because the ALL parameter reconfs network devices too,P# and can causes 'link down & up'-s).t  C I don't know if it's necessary to issue it on both cluster members,o but I think it is.  C Oh, and it only reconfigures/initializes existing devices, adds newh? devices, but doesn't remove any from the device list, so either-7 mka400 (vaxb) or mka500 (vaxb) will remain in the list.-   Hope this helps...   > -- eK > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 7 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.cB > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991t: >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >  --  H Holitska, Andrs    holitska_a@cut-it-outludens.elte.hu   Junior ManagerG  ......................................................................rG  VMS Competence Center                            VMS Szakrti Kzpont G  Etvs Lornd University                 Etvs Lornd Tudomnyegyetem-G  Budapest, Hungary                                             BudapesttG  ======================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:45:03 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>> Subject: Re: TZ15 problems$ Message-ID: <3e284118$1@news.si.com>  . >$10$MKA400:    (VAXB)  Online               0- >$10$MKA400:   (VAXA)  Online               0t  L Turns out that the phantom MKA400 (on VAXA) was caused by the new tape driveK having a broken ribbon cable connecting the StorageWorks socket in the backiE and the connector on the drive, causing bit zero of the SCSI ID to beeH dropped.  Thus, SCSI ID 2 was left unchanged (no bottom bit anyway), but SCSI ID 5 became 4.o -- oI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot como5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.o@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991d8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:56:38 -0500n& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>  Subject: Re: vax basic questions0 Message-ID: <eLVV9.164$Pq5.157@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 Dan wrote:   > ? > I prefer pascal myself, but not sure the state of vms pascal,dE > if there are var t : text or such, or if I have to use file of charm
 > or what? > ? > but using pascal, I have no idea how to use the system calls,:A > like LIB$... etc (in basic you can run DCL commands from withinr" > without exiting and going back). > < > Just trying to cover my options. It's been too many years. >  > Dan.  = What Pascal questions do you have?  Pascal is alive and well.l  G a VAR F : TEXT file would indeed be a record-oriented file.  A FILE OF  9 CHAR should be what you want (based on your description).f  A For running a DCL command from inside Pascal, just call LIB$SPAWNa  , [inherit('sys$library:pascal$lib_routines')] program spawn(output);   beginu lib$spawn('show system');  end.  H Just ask your other questions and we'll answer them.  There are several ( people here with good Pascal experience.   --   John Reagane' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderm Hewlett-Packard Companys   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:46:27 -0500u& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>. Subject: Re: VMS on Itanic boot report sighted/ Message-ID: <FBVV9.160$ip5.22@news.cpqcorp.net>)   Hoff Hoffman wrote:t > E >   We did not port either one of the two referenced code generators.n > G >   We do have a GEM calling interface wrapped around the Intel Itaniums> >   code generator, as this made porting the compilers easier. >e  I Sorry.  That is not correct.  We have a real GEM for Itanium.  It is not y) a wrapper around an Intel code generator.    -- n John Reagann' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderi Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2003 12:43:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)f: Subject: [OT] lots of spam in vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest3 Message-ID: <saXHzV4xmMtB@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  F A Usenet spammer seems to be doing file storage or distribution in the- newsgroup vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest today.l  D The headers indicate a complaint address for the relevant ISP, and IF would urge those who want vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest to be availableC for its designated purpose in the future to check it out and send a A complaint (including full headers from the newsgroup) to the ISP.   F They will probably pay more attention if it is not just one person who is complaining.o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.034 ************************