0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 20 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 39      Contents:4 Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms2 Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison Re: DBI::Proxyserver DBD::Rdb 
 Re: ES40 Hang > Re: Function keys no longer work after TCPware upgrade to 5.6. Re: How to Backup OSX  Re: How to Backup OSX  Re: How to Backup OSX  Re: How to Backup OSX  Re: How to Backup OSX  Re: How to Backup OSX  Re: How to Backup OSX  Re: How to Backup OSX - Re: HP Sets the Stage for Alpha's Last Hurrah  Is that possible Re: Is that possible$ Re: Is that possible (VAX emulators)+ Re: Itanium ahead of itself, not behind ... + Re: Itanium ahead of itself, not behind ... + Re: Itanium ahead of itself, not behind ... - Re: Itanium with alpha goodies on the way ...  Re: KDA50 in BA123 Re: KDA50 in BA123 Re: MAIL 11 protocol definition  Re: MAIL 11 protocol definition . Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??. Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??. Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ??$ OpenVMS Hobbyist Layered Product CDs4 Re: osu/http-server + gecko browser support for .csv Setting display background  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2003 18:35:40 -0800( From: TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com (Alder)= Subject: Re: Access linux and/or windows directories with vms < Message-ID: <a6840bf2.0301191835.1460bfa@posting.google.com>  2 fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in message   M > Remember we are talking about PCs with Windows and a VMS server.  Kermit 95 D > for Windows supports the following secure TCP/IP connection types: >  >  . SSL/TLS terminal sessions2 >  . Telnet, FTP, and HTTP secured with SSL or TLSC >  . Telnet, Rlogin, and FTP secured with Kerberos IV or Kerberos V $ >  . Telnet and FTP secured with SRP >  . SSH v1 terminal sessions  >  . SSH v2 terminal sessions  > M > Thus you can use practically any kind of security that is installed on VMS.   F I for one have no aversion to using a Windows telnet client capable of@ using Kerberos authentication and TLS encryption to connect fromB Windows to VMS.  Trouble is, what server options are available forB VMS?  This is a hobbyist talking, so freeware is what I'd prefer.  Anyone?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2003 14:55:27 -0800% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ; Subject: Re: Alpha, Itanic and Opteron benchmark comparison ) Message-ID: <b0facv0214c@drn.newsguy.com>   H In article <dYCTgppwaxSu@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch says... >  >>D >"Capellas: Mein style is now once very informal. I love skirt music6 >over all, it runs permanently with me in the office."  N It then went on to say "I am a cheerleader", IIRC, just to complete the image!   >"der Rock" = skirt  >--  >Paul Sture    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2003 14:28:05 -0800: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)& Subject: Re: DBI::Proxyserver DBD::Rdb= Message-ID: <7f15589f.0301191428.6036c51f@posting.google.com>   l liammason@eircom.net (Liam Mason) wrote in message news:<12cf2a0d.0301151050.51a3b155@posting.google.com>...G > OpenVMS V7.2-2, Perl v5.6.1 built for VMS_AXP. I am trying to connect ! > a Solaris client to Oracle Rdb.  > H > After many hours of heartache, I finally managed to get the connection
 > working.  E If there were changes to any of the components necessary, please make 5 them available so the next person has less heartache.    [snip]  # > DBI::ProxyServer::db=HASH(0x18c19 9 > 60),prepare,set transaction read only,,ARRAY(0x18c1a50) B > Wed Jan 15 18:04:14 2003 err, Can't call method "StoreHandle" on > unblessed refer ? > ence at /perl_root/lib/site_perl/DBI/ProxyServer.pm line 258.  > 0 >  I get the same message on select statements - > 
 > Any ideas.?   < Hmm.  It looks like it may be the second of these two lines:  6     my $sth = $dbh->SUPER::prepare($statement, $attr);,     my $handle = $server->StoreHandle($sth);  F which I think means the statement handle has not been properly blessed? into its class by the prepare method.  Your super class here is E probably DBD::Rdb, so stepping through its prepare method in the Perl ! debugger might turn something up.   A My statements are all very tentative since I haven't used the DBI ? proxy server nor DBD::Rdb.  You may find better help by writing E vmsperl[AT]perl[DOT]org, and it might be good to mention your DBI and D DBD::Rdb versions in addition to the environment characteristics you have already specified.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 03:19:50 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: ES40 Hang2 Message-ID: <3E2B6A93.FCD8C873@firstdbasource.com>   Lyndon Bartels wrote:  > ! > I had an interesting happening.  > J > I had one of my ES40s hang. I tried to force a crash at the console, butJ > it was so hung, that wouldn't work. It's cluster-mate lost connection to > it as well...  > % > I'm running v7.2-1. 4 cpus. 6G Mem.  > J > Each ES40 has redundant NICs, Redundant CIPCAs, and redundant KGPSA-CAs. > % > I had to press the reset button....  > 5 > Anyway, because of that, I didn't get a crash-dump.  >  > So I have two questions..  >  > 1.  Any ideas what happened? >   > 2.  What things can I look at? >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Lyndon >  > --I > My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my  > employer.  > J > The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't > have > to look at the horse's butt.  C 90% of my ES40/45 and DS20 "hangs" of this sort that my company has F exeperienced have been caused by memory -- and we have ~120 systems ofF these various models.  Rotate the memory DIMMS and try to restart.. itF should call out a memory failure.  The reason for most of the hangs inE this manner is because the memory where the console resides goes toes F up.. therefore no <ctrl>P, no halt etc... the only way out is to power cycle the system.      --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:17:18 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)G Subject: Re: Function keys no longer work after TCPware upgrade to 5.6. 2 Message-ID: <ieHW9.83763$TY.811020@news.chello.at>  j In article <57136ccc.0301170404.34def9e@posting.google.com>, steve.spires@torex.com (Steve Spires) writes:& >Has anybody seen this problem before?   It depends ;-)  A >We carried out an upgrade of both VMS and TCPware, so we are now B >sitting at VMS 7.3 and TCPware 5.6 [on Alpha in case this makes aE >difference] but since doing the upgrade function keys [F1 to F14] no F >longer work correctly - it looks like the escape sequences might have >changed, I'm not sure exactly.   J What function keys ? Do you mean the TCPware TELNET.EXE which does a VT200F or a 3270 communication to a remote system or do you mean a (?) client" connecting to the TCPware system ?  D I've seen the former case with the upgrade from TCPware V5.1 to V5.2G while connecting (with TN3270) to an AS400. The problem was never fixed F and so I used the TELNET.EXE of V5.1 up to the V5.6 installation (when connecting to the AS400).   % I can't comment on the latter case...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:45:04 GMT % From: Tony Lawrence <tony@pcunix.com>  Subject: Re: How to Backup OSX9 Message-ID: <4fDW9.888$4u5.156@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>    Howard S Shubs wrote: A > In article <3RvW9.615140$GR5.409138@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, ) >  Tony Lawrence <tony@pcunix.com> wrote:  >  > K >>Sheesh.  I understand the algorithm it could use, what I'm trying to get  K >>through to you is that it is insufficient.  The whole point of backup is  K >>recover data.  Sometimes files get deleted that should not have been and  J >>that fact isn't always discovered immediately.  Sometimes the fact that  >  > G > Which is when you go recover a specific file, which capability isn't  J > lost from using incrementals.  I'm talking about the ability to restore  > entire volumes.   G I said (but apparently have to keep saying it over and over) that I am  @ referring to the case where YOU DON'T KNOW THE FILE IS MISDSING.   >  >  >  >>:-)  >  >  > <rolls eyes> >  > K >>I don't mean to offend, but that's incredibly naive.  I've been involved  K >>with computer systems since 1967.  I have heard the wailing and seen the  H >>gnashing of teeth.  Bad things happen to backup systems, and when the D >>shit has really hit the fan and splattered all over the room, the F >>ability to pull a complete backup from three days back or even last F >>month can be the difference between a lot of hard work and complete  >>disaster.  >  >  > Sure, and I can do it. >     G Best of luck to you.  May you live long enough to regret this decision.     @ Never wrestle with a pig.  It gets you dirty and annoys the pig.     --  
 Tony Lawrence , Free SCO, Mac OS X and  Linux Skills Tests: % http://aplawrence.com/skillstest.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:24:02 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: How to Backup OSX< Message-ID: <howard-D03E0A.14240219012003@enews.newsguy.com>  > In article <MPG.18946314709c31db9896c2@news.bellatlantic.net>,2  John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu> wrote:  E > For some reason this thread is cross-posted between comp.os.vms and  > comp.sys.mac.apps.  I Yes, I did that.  We're talking about backup methods, and I know backups  B are backups, on VMS or Macintosh, where I know both systems, so I A cross-posted in order to get more contributors to discuss backup   methodology.   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:22:24 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: How to Backup OSX< Message-ID: <howard-F750EC.14222419012003@enews.newsguy.com>  @ In article <d8yW9.738625$%m4.3420648@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>,'  Tony Lawrence <tony@pcunix.com> wrote:   C > I said: " Couple that with some bad timing and a full restore" ..   B I don't see it.  Since you have multiple backup sets, and because I restoring a volume doesn't destroy the restore tapes, what's the problem?      > Sheesh :-)  H I can't say you're clueless, 'cause you're not, but you're ignoring our  point.   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:20:04 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: How to Backup OSX< Message-ID: <howard-9C6B7A.14200419012003@enews.newsguy.com>  ? In article <3RvW9.615140$GR5.409138@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, '  Tony Lawrence <tony@pcunix.com> wrote:   K > Sheesh.  I understand the algorithm it could use, what I'm trying to get  K > through to you is that it is insufficient.  The whole point of backup is  K > recover data.  Sometimes files get deleted that should not have been and  J > that fact isn't always discovered immediately.  Sometimes the fact that   E Which is when you go recover a specific file, which capability isn't  H lost from using incrementals.  I'm talking about the ability to restore  entire volumes.      > :-)    <rolls eyes>    K > I don't mean to offend, but that's incredibly naive.  I've been involved  K > with computer systems since 1967.  I have heard the wailing and seen the  H > gnashing of teeth.  Bad things happen to backup systems, and when the D > shit has really hit the fan and splattered all over the room, the F > ability to pull a complete backup from three days back or even last F > month can be the difference between a lot of hard work and complete  > disaster.    Sure, and I can do it.   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:32:17 GMT % From: Tony Lawrence <tony@pcunix.com>  Subject: Re: How to Backup OSX, Message-ID: <lXDW9.56181$1q3.7145@sccrnsc01>   Howard S Shubs wrote: B > In article <d8yW9.738625$%m4.3420648@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>,) >  Tony Lawrence <tony@pcunix.com> wrote:  >  > C >>I said: " Couple that with some bad timing and a full restore" ..  >  > D > I don't see it.  Since you have multiple backup sets, and because K > restoring a volume doesn't destroy the restore tapes, what's the problem?  >  >  >  >>Sheesh :-) >  > J > I can't say you're clueless, 'cause you're not, but you're ignoring our  > point. >     5 Exactly what I am thinking of you, strangely enough..   F But I'm tired of slapping this horse's rump.  I remain convinced that E anything other than complete backups is inferior and should never be  % done unless there is no other choice.    You remain convinced otherwise.   2 May neither of us need any damn backups anyway :-)       --  
 Tony Lawrence , Free SCO, Mac OS X and  Linux Skills Tests: % http://aplawrence.com/skillstest.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:06:54 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: How to Backup OSX/ Message-ID: <3E2B2F89.74C6F80C@vl.videotron.ca>    Tony Lawrence wrote:G > But I'm tired of slapping this horse's rump.  I remain convinced that F > anything other than complete backups is inferior and should never be' > done unless there is no other choice.   L It depends on the backup utility, and the robustness of the operating systemF and file system. For VMS, one can have a full backup complemented withJ incremental backups. It saves time every day when backups are done, but itL takes longer to find the file you need on those rare occasions when you need to restore a file.  N With VMS, you can generate a backup journal which lists all the files that areN being written to tape, so it is fairly easy to check which backup contains the file you want.  J If managed properly, a full backup complemented with incrementals is not aM problem to restore when you have the right robust OS. Just takes longer to do K and better planning/understanding, as well as properly scheduling how often  you do a full backup.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:36:21 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: How to Backup OSX< Message-ID: <howard-FB4A37.20362119012003@enews.newsguy.com>  9 In article <4fDW9.888$4u5.156@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, '  Tony Lawrence <tony@pcunix.com> wrote:   I > I said (but apparently have to keep saying it over and over) that I am  B > referring to the case where YOU DON'T KNOW THE FILE IS MISDSING.  G And as I said, the backup set isn't erased when you restore it, so you  F can go back and restore files from earlier snapshots if some file was   deleted by accident.  Clear yet?    I > Best of luck to you.  May you live long enough to regret this decision.   I Don't think it'll happen, guy.  I lose disks all the time and the data's   fine.    --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:37:37 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: How to Backup OSX< Message-ID: <howard-857F97.20373719012003@enews.newsguy.com>  , In article <lXDW9.56181$1q3.7145@sccrnsc01>,'  Tony Lawrence <tony@pcunix.com> wrote:   ! > You remain convinced otherwise.   ? Yup.  I'm mired in reality, rather than ivory tower theorising.     4 > May neither of us need any damn backups anyway :-)  F But we do!  We do!  That's the biggest system management task of them ' all.  I think we're both aware of that.    --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2003 15:00:42 -0800% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 6 Subject: Re: HP Sets the Stage for Alpha's Last Hurrah) Message-ID: <b0famq022e7@drn.newsguy.com>   F In article <3e2957e6$0$225$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, PRSTSC::DTL says... >  >Paul Sture wrote: >>   >>  / >> UK English: "There's no smoke without fire."  >>   > ( >French English: "Pas de fumee sans feu"  / "Flamma fumo est proxima" in the original Latin    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2003 14:42:21 -0800' From: taupin974@hotmail.com (taupin974)  Subject: Is that possible = Message-ID: <f948cf20.0301191442.3591d848@posting.google.com>    Hi< I'd like to know if i can run open vms on a vax simulator as Charon-VAX, Ts10 or Simh ?= If all programing tools of vms will work if it is possible !!    thx    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 01:10:24 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Is that possible 2 Message-ID: <40IW9.84882$TY.816814@news.chello.at>  g In article <f948cf20.0301191442.3591d848@posting.google.com>, taupin974@hotmail.com (taupin974) writes: = >I'd like to know if i can run open vms on a vax simulator as  >Charon-VAX, Ts10 or Simh ? > >If all programing tools of vms will work if it is possible !!   Yes it is possible. B The simulator option is even a valid hardware type for the OpenVMS hobbyist license.   G btw: I never heard so far that one can buy a commercial OpenVMS license F for this simulators, so why pay say somethousands bucks for Charon-VAX) but work then on a VMS hobbyist license ?    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2003 20:09:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Is that possible (VAX emulators) 3 Message-ID: <vIKAaRoftTQX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <40IW9.84882$TY.816814@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:   I > btw: I never heard so far that one can buy a commercial OpenVMS license H > for this simulators, so why pay say somethousands bucks for Charon-VAX+ > but work then on a VMS hobbyist license ?   E There is a published price (about $1000 as I recall) for moving a VMS > license from VAX to the Charon-VAX emulator in commercial use.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2003 11:10:12 -0800! From: gokrix@hotmail.com (gokrix) 4 Subject: Re: Itanium ahead of itself, not behind ...= Message-ID: <50e71495.0301191110.28a074af@posting.google.com>   m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0301181143.23c3574c@posting.google.com>... 9 > if you are Bill Todd, then disregard this as pure b.s., 8 > otherwise, I know I can read as others can and Itanium7 > is actually ahead of schedule, not behind like others / > (we know who) have asserted ... from cnet ...  >  > % > Intel accelerates Itanium schedule   >  > By Michael Kanellos  > Staff Writer, CNET News.com  > January 15, 2003, 9:00 PM PT >  > Read more about chips    > A > Intel has changed the release schedule of its Itanium chips for F > servers, adding a new chip for 2004 and moving up the launch date of8 > an Itanium with two processor cores to 2005 from 2007.B > The changes reflect Intel's confidence in its ability to releaseD > high-end server chips faster than competitors and thereby gain theE > performance high ground, said Jonathan Eunice, principal analyst at 
 > Illuminata.    I see the fnords!!!    --GS   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:09:49 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 4 Subject: Re: Itanium ahead of itself, not behind ...' Message-ID: <3E2B687D.F48B9088@fsi.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0301181143.23c3574c@posting.google.com... ; > > if you are Bill Todd, then disregard this as pure b.s.,  > 
 > No problem.  > . > > otherwise, I know I can read as others can > N > I don't doubt that you can read, Bob, just that you have a clue after havingL > done so.  The article you reproduced is the one I provided a pointer to in# > my own post, and explained there.  > G > The article's author was either snowed or bought off by Intel.  Other # > publications were less credulous:  > 3 > http://www.eetimes.com/semi/news/OEG20030116S0062  > 3 > Intel delays 64-bit processor to re-engineer part  >  > By Mark LaPedus  >  > Semiconductor Business News # > January 17, 2003 (10:34 a.m. EST)  > H > SANTA CLARA, Calif.--Intel Corp. here today confirmed it has delayed aL > next-generation, 64-bit microprocessor line by one year, after the companyM > decided to re-engineer the product. The company also announced a new 64-bit K > processor in its roadmap to fill the gap for the delayed chip, code-named  > Montecito.  E Pls forgive my ignorance, I seem to gotten lost in the semantics. Pls E clarify. Does this say that an unnamed chip has been plugged into the < roadmap to precede Montecito, or is Montecito the precedent?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:02:56 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Itanium ahead of itself, not behind ...2 Message-ID: <-7GdnedIxJONHrajXTWcog@metrocast.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E2B687D.F48B9088@fsi.net...  > Bill Todd wrote:   ...   5 > > http://www.eetimes.com/semi/news/OEG20030116S0062  > > 5 > > Intel delays 64-bit processor to re-engineer part  > >  > > By Mark LaPedus  > >  > > Semiconductor Business News % > > January 17, 2003 (10:34 a.m. EST)  > > J > > SANTA CLARA, Calif.--Intel Corp. here today confirmed it has delayed aF > > next-generation, 64-bit microprocessor line by one year, after the company H > > decided to re-engineer the product. The company also announced a new 64-bitB > > processor in its roadmap to fill the gap for the delayed chip,
 code-named > > Montecito. > G > Pls forgive my ignorance, I seem to gotten lost in the semantics. Pls G > clarify. Does this say that an unnamed chip has been plugged into the > > roadmap to precede Montecito, or is Montecito the precedent?  L The former (the unnamed chip seems to be being called Madison II at least by- some) - but the phrasing is indeed ambiguous.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:01:51 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: Itanium with alpha goodies on the way ...2 Message-ID: <Jh6dnWjpFfjiobajXTWcqw@metrocast.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0301190634.72f65155@posting.google.com...    ...   C > and who in the heck cares?  as long as they get the thing running 2 > well (and they will with the help of alpha team)  J Bob, you're ineducable.  The Alpha team has nothing - NOTHING - to do with) Montecito, whether single- or dual-cored.     and it runs vmsB > as well as it runs now on alpha with improvements in the future,  K It won't.  EV7 has performance characteristics in large systems that Itanic G won't begin to approach until such time (assuming that occurs) as there K really *is* an Alpha-derived Itanic.  I've said for the past 18 months that J wouldn't be before 2006 - 2007, and every indication still points to thoseG dates.  (At one time I thought Itanic might at least get some EV7-style J on-chip glue in 2005, but the dual-core Montecito announcement proves that
 it won't.)   ...     by the looks of things the E > alpha team is slowly using EV7/EV8 alpha designs and slowly putting A > them into itanium and the result is that itanium is starting to  > look better and better  H You utter idiot:  *NOTHING* from Alpha is making it into any Itanic thatI Intel has said anything about in public, except possibly Chivano (and the @ 'Chivano' name is all that Intel has mentioned about that chip).  K Itanic looked better exactly once:  after McKinley appeared and proved that J the architecture wasn't a complete dud (just a pig in terms of power, chipF area, and development effort).  It is indeed all down-hill from there,E because the McKinley core isn't going to change in Madison/Deerfield, J Madison II, or Montecito, but only get shrunk and acquire more cache (plusJ dual cores in 2005) - while its competition will be getting actual *designK enhancements* (like SMT) as well as simple shrinks, dual cores, more cache,  etc.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jan 2003 15:09:41 -0800/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)  Subject: Re: KDA50 in BA123 = Message-ID: <754a27c1.0301191509.6ececc01@posting.google.com>   W Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote in message news:<3E2A04FE.7050300@iee.org>...  > Paul Repacholi wrote: E > > Yes, about 1M long internal cable. Either a flat 2 way SDI plate, F > > or a recessed box for the skunk box top section. The one you want D > > has just the black SDI conectors, not the larger socket assy. IfD > > you are lucky, you may find a socket set that takes the cable inD > > a clip in config that you can rememver the cable from to plug it > > straight into the drive. > E > My recollection is that the BA213/BA214 config had a KDA50 and then E > a connector which split out into four SDI cables any of which could H > be routed either to the external bulkhead or directly to an internallyB > mounted RA7x. There's no difficulty in detaching the cables from > the internal bulkhead. > D > I don't think that the RA7x drives were ever supported in a BA123.D > Assuming you find some way of mounting the drive(s) physically and& > routing the cable(s) you'll be fine.    F Physically mounting the drive shouldn't be a problem.  RA72s that wereC mounted in SA72 boxes come on a skid that looks suspiciously like a E BA123 skid.  If it is not the same, I don't see any problems in using 
 a BA123 skid.   " The power connectors are the same.  D If necessary, I will wire up a cable harness to go from the KDA50 toF the drive.  I was just hoping that I could find one already assembled.  D My big question now is: Will an RA72 work without a front panel?  IfF not, is there a dummy plug that would put it online on port A and just let it run?    Thanx!      F > > I don't have to remind you to have an ODD number of cables do I :) > E > Hopefully not - although getting an even number in a BA123 would be  > quite a trick! > 	 > Antonio    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:36:01 +0000 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>  Subject: Re: KDA50 in BA123 & Message-ID: <3E2B3661.9090900@iee.org>   Chris Scheers wrote:F > If necessary, I will wire up a cable harness to go from the KDA50 toH > the drive.  I was just hoping that I could find one already assembled.  < The standard KDA50 cable (splits into 4 internal SDI cables)8 should be fine for this - sorry, no part number to hand.  F > My big question now is: Will an RA72 work without a front panel?  IfH > not, is there a dummy plug that would put it online on port A and just
 > let it run?   G I'm 99.9% sure the RA72 will run without a front panel. I think all you B need to do is tell it its unit number by setting some switches andB pressing a momentary action toggle. If you cannot find the details9 on the net, let me know and I'll scare up an RA72 manual.    Antonio      --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:47:04 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: MAIL 11 protocol definition/ Message-ID: <3E2AF2A6.54F49322@vl.videotron.ca>    Michiel Erens wrote: > In the VMS hack FAQ e.g.+ >  http://vmsbox.cjb.net/VMS/vmsHackFAQ.txt   K Many thanks. Is there some more authoritative/complete information though ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:38:23 +0000 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> ( Subject: Re: MAIL 11 protocol definition$ Message-ID: <3E2B36EF.40809@iee.org>  M > Many thanks. Is there some more authoritative/complete information though ?   E Internally (to HP) there is a document that describes it, or posisbly = describes it as it was some number of years ago (I don't know 9 how up to date that document was). I don't think I have a 6 copy of it anymore but you might be able to find it on1 the Freeware CDs or just floating around the net.    Antonio    --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jan 2003 19:57:03 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)7 Subject: Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ?? 0 Message-ID: <b0evuf$4nk$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  / In article <3E2AF0CD.444E050D@vl.videotron.ca>, 2 JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: >Michael Unger wrote: I >> But can you guarantee a maximum delay between sending the "time stamp" : >> and the arrival of that time stamp at a foreign system? > L >Years ago. there was a dial-up service to colorado which did that. It wouldO >send a string, wait for you to echo the string, the server then calculates the H >time for roud-trip, divides by two, and adjusts the correct time before >sending it to you.  >   >Doesn't NTP work the same way ?  H Yes, except that it is the client that does it, which is a more accurate way of proceeding.  C [ My personal hypothesis is that the relevant algorithm is probably  Babylonian :-) ]  C What the NTP protocol and xntp don't do very well is in calculating C the estimated error in the resulting timestamp.  My code does a bit B better (because it is based on statistics, not control theory) and: is therefore fairly often used for checking up on xntp :-)     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:39:10 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ?? / Message-ID: <3E2AF0CD.444E050D@vl.videotron.ca>    Michael Unger wrote:H > But can you guarantee a maximum delay between sending the "time stamp"9 > and the arrival of that time stamp at a foreign system?     K Years ago. there was a dial-up service to colorado which did that. It would N send a string, wait for you to echo the string, the server then calculates theG time for roud-trip, divides by two, and adjusts the correct time before  sending it to you.   Doesn't NTP work the same way ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:43:59 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)7 Subject: Re: Network Time Protocol (NTP) for OpenVMS ?? 2 Message-ID: <jDHW9.84346$TY.816814@news.chello.at>  p In article <a3c44af1.0301170843.5e64fb2f@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:F >        I am interested in finding out if anyone uses NTP for keeping >their system time accurate?   A lot of us   I >        If so, do you use an HP/Compaq product or a third party product?   > UCX/TCPIP, TCPware, Multinet all include a NTP implementation.D There is even a NTP stub (client) for a (DECnet-Plus) DECdts server.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:15:59 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> - Subject: OpenVMS Hobbyist Layered Product CDs ' Message-ID: <3E2B69EF.33E133DD@fsi.net>    Hello, All,   E I have developed for myself some DCL procedures and the .DAT files to G drive them to produce from a quarterly SPL a set of CD images including E those products which are licensed under the OpenVMS Hobbyist program.   G Naturally, copyright issues prevent me from offering the CDs themselves E to anyone who wants them. I have inquired of OpenVMS Management about A the possibility of acquiring permission to produce and distribute F hobbyist LP CDs under suitable terms and conditions. As of the date of/ this posting, I have yet to receive a response.   C However, the DCL procedures to do this can be made available via my ' freeware site if anyone is interested.    F Should you wish to acquire the DCL proc.'s, post a response here and IH will reply. You can also e-mail me privately. How to demung the reply-to should be obvious.  9 The procedures depend on the freeware "LD" kit. They wereaF developed/tested using V6.2 of LD on OpenVMS-Alpha V7.1-2. They shouldG run without revision on OpenVMS-VAX, though I have not tested this yet..C You'll still need to borrow the SPLs briefly so you can extract the C products from them to the CD images; and of course, you'll need LD,uH sufficient free disk space to create at least three full 650MB CD imagesD (LD containers) and some way to burn ODS-2 CDs (I use Gear on W/95).  ) My best to all, and Happy OVMS Hobby-ing!n   -- a David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 03:25:52 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>d= Subject: Re: osu/http-server + gecko browser support for .csv 2 Message-ID: <3E2B6C01.A6680830@firstdbasource.com>   Chris Sharman wrote: > 0 > On our intranet we have a fair few .csv files.D > ie, of course, knows what to do with csv, & doesn't care about the > mime-type.M > The server's set up (by default or design) to serve csv & various others as  > "application/vnd.ms-excel".m > N > Mozilla adds a spurious '.xls' when saving it, so it's "file.csv.xls",  then1 > invokes Excel, which mis-processes it horribly.1 > E > We also mail csvs to customers, as application/octet-stream. Again,sN > windows/outlook/office recipients have no problem, but others can't read it. > > > There isn't, afaik, a standard mime-type for csv, curiously.E > Can anyone suggest a mime-type that works, for either application ?PN > For the intranet, we just need it loaded to a spreadsheet as-is, rather than > having .xls suffixed.eK > For mail, we could do to have mail clients use plain text when there's nonE > spreadsheet (many of our customers have Macs, some dtp, no Office).h >  > Thanks, ChrisS  E I have been able get this to work by the use of a similar DCL command D script (The initial stuff is a bit different for Apache vs. OSU, but1 this portion (CGI) has always worked on either...e    5 $write sys$output "Content: application/vnd.ms-excel"r $ type x.csv $exit   ? I have written entire "text"-based reporting systems using this4	 approach.0   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:16:40 -0400n0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Setting display backgroundl/ Message-ID: <3E2B31D3.F241D787@vl.videotron.ca>s  U There was a discussion about setting background of a decwindows workstation recently.s  E The suggestion seemed to be to use XV to covertly set the background.   K There is a utility that comes with decwindows (xsetroot) which allows this:2  L it is located in the decw.util subdirectory of SYS$EXAMPLES, and xsetroot is9 available in the "utilities" menu of the windows manager.9  ? xsetroot -bitmap <file>  works fine from the window manager, or(7 xsetroot -bitmap <file> -display _WSA0:  from a decterma  N Question: if I create an image 1024 by 864 and set it as background, does this@ take more physical memory than if I create a 16*16 image that isM tiled/replicated to fill the screen ? Does it take more moemory than if I set. the background to black ?   H Or does the software always "save" all pixels of whatever is occluded byK another window, no matter whether the hidden portion is single colour or an  image ?p  L Finally, would there be any interest in providing various backgrounds in XBMI format ? I tested a picture of an airbus A340-600 taking off from La-Paz,oN converted to b/w and then to XBM format, and it looks surprisingly superb on a@ b/w display ! (gives me a good motivation to iconise windows :-)  L I could put a variety of pictures in 1024*864 format on a web site. How many@ colours chemes would be needed ? B/W, 16 bit and 24 bit colour ?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.039 ************************