0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 24 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 48      Contents:3 Re: (UNIX is OVER) was  . . . Re: Alpha for HP UX ? 3 Re: (UNIX is OVER) was  . . . Re: Alpha for HP UX ? " Re: Alpha workstation floppy drive Re: Alphaserver disks 1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium 1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium 1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium 1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium  Re: automatic screensaver  DECnet Proxy Problem Disable IDE-Devices on AXP Re: Disable IDE-Devices on AXP< Re: Dropping Display Postscript (was: automatic screensaver)< RE: Dropping Display Postscript (was: automatic screensaver)< Re: Dropping Display Postscript (was: automatic screensaver)< Re: Dropping Display Postscript (was: automatic screensaver)( Re: Embedding a secret key in executable2 Re: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains!0 Re: Interrupt stack with EMC fibre channel disks Re: kvm switch for VAX?  Re: MX mail impressions  Re: MX mail impressions  Re: NTP on OpenVMS Re: NTP on OpenVMS Re: NTP on OpenVMS Re: NTP on OpenVMS Re: NTP on OpenVMS Re: NTP on OpenVMSB OT: microdrives etc as storage devices (was Re: How to Backup OSX), Re: PHD$L_PSTBASOFF <= PHD$L_PST_BASE_OFFSET# Re: Platform agnostic security hole # Re: Platform agnostic security hole @ Re: TCP/IP Services v5.3 - how to increase the number of "mbufs" VAX network monitor... Re: VAX network monitor... RE: VAX network monitor... Re: VAX network monitor... VMS License Transfers? Re: VMS License Transfers?: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?> Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?> RE: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?> Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?> Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?3 Re: Worlds Cheapest VIAGRA-Under $1.00 a Pill  8895 
 xfree and vms  RE: xfree and vms  Re: xfree and vms  Re: xfree and vms   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:24:59 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>< Subject: Re: (UNIX is OVER) was  . . . Re: Alpha for HP UX ?8 Message-ID: <u5133vkeku47q8iu76c1dirlav88ple268@4ax.com>  F On 22 Jan 2003 13:19:05 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  A >In article <20030121233651.69077.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>, 2 >	Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: >>  3 >> There is no escape ! The standard UNIX will die   >>   > 3 >Here we go (yet) again.  Unix is dead, news at 11.  > A >This has been a constant theme ever since 1980 when Byte printed   >their headline, "Is UNIX Dead?" >    1980?  Really?F I don't recall Unix even taking off on the high-end server lines until  sometime in the later-end 1980s.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 12:41:36 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) < Subject: Re: (UNIX is OVER) was  . . . Re: Alpha for HP UX ?3 Message-ID: <cv3btaLxBr6j@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <u5133vkeku47q8iu76c1dirlav88ple268@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> writes: H > On 22 Jan 2003 13:19:05 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > B >>In article <20030121233651.69077.qmail@web20207.mail.yahoo.com>,3 >>	Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:  >>> 4 >>> There is no escape ! The standard UNIX will die  >>>  >>4 >>Here we go (yet) again.  Unix is dead, news at 11. >>B >>This has been a constant theme ever since 1980 when Byte printed! >>their headline, "Is UNIX Dead?"  >> >  > 1980?  Really?H > I don't recall Unix even taking off on the high-end server lines until" > sometime in the later-end 1980s. >   B 	September 1992 issue.  Go to google and type in:   byte unix dead   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:11:24 -0500 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> + Subject: Re: Alpha workstation floppy drive 2 Message-ID: <3E3173BC.74FE1A80@clarityconnect.com>  D Mine works fine (but I'm using lower density floppies cause I have a bunch)  C Disk $20$DVA0: (xxxxxx), device type RX26, is online, file-oriented  device, >     shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.  2     Error count                    0    Operations completed                 37F     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM];     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot             S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W 6     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                 5123     Total blocks                1440    Sectors per  track                     9 2     Total cylinders               80    Tracks per cylinder                   2$     Allocation class              20   xxxxxx_3>mount/over=id dva0 5 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, TEST mounted on _$20$DVA0: (xxxxxx)  xxxxxx_3>dir dva0:[000000]   Directory DVA0:[000000]   ; 000000.DIR;1        BACKUP.SYS;1        BADBLK.SYS;1         BADLOG.SYS;1        ; BITMAP.SYS;1        CONTIN.SYS;1        CORIMG.SYS;1         INDEXF.SYS;1        ( SECURITY.SYS;1      VOLSET.SYS;1           Total of 10 files.   Ardee & Larry Tenison wrote: > N > Does anyone know how to get Open VMS 7.3 to recognize the floppy drive on anK > alpha workstation 250?  The device is known at the boot up console level, C > but VMS thinks it is an "invalid device".  Is this even possible?  > 8 > Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. > 	 > thanks.    --  C Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY 0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or so  	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:43:28 GMT   From: Sim <sim@comox.nospam.net> Subject: Re: Alphaserver disks8 Message-ID: <3t523vgpl4soslsas5ukfmevk5s0sm6165@4ax.com>   Perfect, thanks.  D On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:20:16 GMT, "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> wrote:  . >"Sim" <sim@comox.nospam.net> wrote in message3 >news:ra613vgr574t9ee1shrdvk5o6i877cj24b@4ax.com...  >> GreetingsI >> I have an Alphaserver 1000 4/200 with a single RZ28-VA, I'm looking to G >> add more disks, I see them from time to time on EBay but I'm unclear @ >> whether I can use them or not. Things like RZ28M-VA, RZ28D-W,F >> RZ28C-VA. Is there a definitive list anplace that will tell me what >> will work in this box?  >> Thanx > M >All of the above will work. Any RZ26, RZ28, or RZ29 can be used in that box. L >Look for the -VA (narrow, 8-bit), variety, as they may be a little cheaper,J >but the -VW or -W (wide, 16-bit) will work. The RZ26 are ~1GB, RZ28 ~2GB,D >and RZ29 ~4GB. The letter following the number (RZ28B, RZ28C, etc.)L >indicates that the internal drives are from different vendors, and may haveM >slightly different geometries. This is only a problem if you plan to use the L >drives in host-based shadow sets. Generally, any 8-bit SCSI drive will work
 >in that box.  >  >ML  >  >ML  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:11:06 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) : Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium9 Message-ID: <KXaY9.6257$267.261782@twister.austin.rr.com>   0 David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote: : H : You're joking, right? RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, Slackware, etc. all have3 : Alpha ports. See also: http://www.alphalinux.org/  :  :   -    http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/ 6    Errata: Security Alerts, Bugfixes, and Enhancements       (   "...Unsupported (End of Life) Products         IA64 %    IA64 7.1 have reached end of life. /    IA64 7.2 will be maintained through 12/31/03               Alpha/Sparc/Powertools   H    All errata support for Alpha products, Sparc products, and Powertools)    products have reached end of life...."     2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 09:01:46 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) : Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium3 Message-ID: <aDTrNgdtCzpj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <3e3146d3$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes: >   9 > Except HP is hindered by a bloated failed architecture,   G Eh?  This is just your personal biased opinion.  Failed?  Where?  When? I Seems to me that I have not heard Intel, HP, SGI, etc call it failed.  It K works.  Computer architecture folks might not "like" the architecture - but  they don't buy the systems.    ---   > 	To add to this. . . There is confirmation that IA64 (the loneB 	exception being the 10000 CPU Opteron for Sandia) is the high-end< 	CPU of choice for the future.  It is most likely a cost and? 	performance issue.  Fujitsu surprises most everyone yesterday:   4 http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981948.html?tag=fd_top  K Fujitsu announced Thursday it is joining forces with Intel on a new line of L Linux-based servers and mainframe computers, in a move that should stoke the ongoing server war. F The Japanese computing giant plans to come out with dual-processor andO multiprocessor servers containing Intel's Xeon chips by the end of 2004. A year O after that, it expects to release an Intel Itanium-based mainframe-class system # that can hold up to 128 processors.     B 	Pretty clear that same UltraSparc box would cost a lot more money? 	(compare recent CPU list prices Itanium versus UltraSparc) and 9 	perform better compared to current shipping UltraSparcs.   5 	Couple that with SGIs best of show rollout of Altix:   1 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030123/sfth037_1.html   I SGI Altix 3000 Supercluster Wins 'Best of Show' Honor in Product Debut At  LinuxWorld 2003   Thursday January 23, 9:00 am ET   N SGI recently announced the SGI Altix 3000 family of servers and superclusters,D which combine SGI's supercomputing architecture with Intel Itanium 2N processors and the Linux operating system. SGI Altix 3000 is recognized as the? first Linux cluster that scales up to 64 processors within each M single-Linux-image node, and the first cluster of any variety to allow global F shared memory access across nodes. SGI Altix 3000 has already producedH record-setting results on high-performance computing benchmarks over theM highest-end offerings from IBM, HP, and other vendors. (See separate releases M dated January 7, 2003.) SGI is demonstrating these unique capabilities in its - booth at the LinuxWorld conference this week.   C 	It is pretty clear that IA64 will actually eat its way down to the = 	8 processor space (eventually) but leave speed frenzied Xeon  	for the 4-8 CPU space for now.   ? 	Pretty interesting isn't it?   Highest performing box and much  	cheaper than the competition:  1 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030107/sftu081_1.html   M In recent SPECfpr_rate_base2000 tests, a 1GHz SGI Altix 3000 system generated N world-record floating-point performance for a 64-processor server with a scoreJ of 862. The closest 64-processor single system image competitor was the HPN Superdome(TM) server (at 875 MHz) with a score of 267 -- less than a third theM performance of the SGI system. Comparing 32-processor systems, SGI Altix 3000 N performed 1.8 times faster than the IBMr eServer(TM) p690 system (at 1.3 GHz),? and 3.5 times faster than the HP Superdome system (at 750 MHz).   L In tests against a 32-processor IBM p690 server, the SGI system brought homeN twice the performance of the IBM server, and -- at approximately half the costA of IBM p690 -- a 640 percent improvement in price/performance.(2)     ? 	Hmmmmmm..  Very hard on Sun and IBM, they don't seem to have a B 	high-end Itanium in the pipeline.   Let's see, first workstations6 	and then scientific computing, one shoe left to drop.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:11:35 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>: Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium* Message-ID: <00A1A75C.7E976F6C.9@decus.de>  B "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote:   > [...]  > G > From a pure VMS perspective - the hand we've been dealt is IA64. That H > turned out to be real good, since Intel, HP, Microsoft, and others hadN > already built the infrastructure needed to support enterprise class systems.  D "Winwoes Enterprise Edition" seems to be a real flop from all I have? read in the business section of newspapers over the last years.   @ And I tend to read "Winwoes/Office XP" as "eXtra Punishment" ...   Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:37:40 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> : Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium. Message-ID: <3e3179e5$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message $ news:00A1A75C.7E976F6C.9@decus.de...D > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote: > 	 > > [...]  > > I > > From a pure VMS perspective - the hand we've been dealt is IA64. That J > > turned out to be real good, since Intel, HP, Microsoft, and others hadG > > already built the infrastructure needed to support enterprise class  systems. > F > "Winwoes Enterprise Edition" seems to be a real flop from all I haveA > read in the business section of newspapers over the last years.  > B > And I tend to read "Winwoes/Office XP" as "eXtra Punishment" ... >   E The Starship Enterprise has yet to launch as well, but what about the  aircraft carrier?   J My statement had nothing to do with Microsoft Windows, or their EnterpriseL Edition - other than the word Enterprise and Microsoft both were in the sameJ sentence.  What I said was that a consortium of companies - which includedH Windows, UNIX and LINUX (the other UNIX) developers - had done the gruntJ work of making sure that Itanium2 could be used in enterprise class server= systems - from chip features, to the firmware infrastructure.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:58:35 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> " Subject: Re: automatic screensaver, Message-ID: <3e3170c0_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  L To my knowledge, there isn't a single SPX developer working for the company,K and hasn't been for many long years - the code was writen something like 14 
 years ago.  L The logicals are handled by the DDX's, not the DIX.  Not all servers supportK programatic changing of depth or visuals.  In fact I don't believe *any* of 4 the VAX server DDX's support those specific logical.  J The SPX-xx was supposed to be a 3D card, and so the developers wrote it toH use the 24-bit depth and TrueColor as the defaults.  Try something like:    , $def/sys/exec DECW$SCN_24PLANE_PSEUDOCOLOR 1    I This "should' get you the 8-bit pseudo color visual as the default (if my   brain cells still are sparking).      @ "Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> wrote in message/ news:3E3051F8.67A151CB@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > H > > If you want to stay with increasingly old versions of VMS - heck I'm sureK > > there are still happy V4.7 users out there - that's fine - but don't be 8 > > complaining when new things aren't available for it. > / >   How about when old things still don't work?  > E >   I don't know how many posts I did to vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest  (severalG > anyway) during the VMS 7.2 and 7.3 field tests reporting that the VAX 	 X-display L > server does not work setting the default visual and that the documentationL > was messed up, re: the name of the Symbol do accomplish this.  Never got a > reply and it never got fixed.  > > >   There's applications that don't like a 24-plane visual andB > if you have a VAXstation with an SPXgt card, that's what you getH > and you can't change the default visual it to Pseudocolor despite what@ > the Docs say.  And the docs are wrong; they have the symbol as3 > "DECW$DEFAULT_VISUAL_CLASS" while the example has H > "DECW$SEVER_DEFAULT_VISUAL_CLASS".  Both of which are wrong.  The docsJ > also only say it doesn't work on VMS 5.5-2.  Nothing about ALPHA only...# > which wouldn't make sense anyway.  > See:H http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6300/6300pro_002.html#config_7 > Section 3.2.2. > ; >   On Alpha the symbol in DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM is I > DECW$SERVER_DEFAULT_VISUAL_CLASS (SERVER not SEVER).  If you search the ; > DECW EXE files in SYS$LIBRARY you can find this string in  DECW$SERVER_DIX.EXE.H > However there's no such string (or anything "VISUAL_CLASS") in this or other G > server exe's on VAX.  I wouldn't think this would be such a difficult J > thing to fix... setting the default visual.  I never reported it throughL > regular support channels because the SPXgt card was on a hobbiest machine.I > I figured buying the External Field Tests and reporting in the newgroup < > would get attention.  But they never amounted to anything. > ? > Patch anyone?  Or is the VAX display server beyond maintence?  >  > -- > Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jan 2003 16:50:15 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: DECnet Proxy Problem 0 Message-ID: <b0rqs7$hc9$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  N VMS 7.1-2 on AXP, OSU-Server 3.10a: I installed the server, added the proxies,N checked the node whether proxies are enabled but I can't get things to work. IO am able to open the default page. But as soon as I click on "user-guide" I get:   N    -ERROR-(500):  %SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node  
 On VMS I see: ;    %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  22-JAN-2003 17:07:12.03  %%%%%%%%%%% )    Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on MPI7 S    Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on MPI7, system id: 1031 2    Auditable event:          Network login failure4    Event time:               22-JAN-2003 17:07:12.03%    PID:                      27C0C624 %    Process name:             NET_8245 $    Username:                 ILLEGAL!    Remote nodename:          MPI7 '    Remote node id:           1031 (1.7) (    Remote username:          HTTP_SERVER>    Status:                   %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user  J The logicals NET$PROXY and NETPROXY are defined and point to two differentM files NET$PROXY.DAT and NETPROXY.DAT. "ILLEGAL" is the username of the DECnet F "TASK" object. It is DECnet PhaseIV. I tried to deassign the above two logicals, no luck.  4   "NET$PROXY" [exec] = "DISKH:[SYSEXE]NET$PROXY.DAT"2   "NETPROXY" [exec] = "DISKH:[SYSEXE]NETPROXY.DAT"  & The following is a list of my proxies:   UAF> sho/proxy *  %  Default proxies are flagged with (D)    MPI4::SYSTEM     HTTP_SERVER    MPI1::SYSTEM
     SYSTEM   MPI4::HTTP_SERVER      HTTP_SERVER (D)    MPI7::SYSTEM     HTTP_SERVER    MPI7::HTTP_SERVER      HTTP_SERVER (D)  UAF>     The node in question is MPI7.   $ Here are the DECnet characteristics:     Executor node = 1.7 (MPI7)  6 Identification           = DECnet for OpenVMS AXP V6.2! Management version       = V4.0.0  Incoming timer           = 45  Outgoing timer           = 60 " Incoming Proxy           = Enabled" Outgoing Proxy           = Enabled! NSP version              = V4.1.0  Maximum links            = 32  Delay factor             = 80  Delay weight             = 5 Inactivity timer         = 60  Retransmit factor        = 10 ! Routing version          = V2.0.0 ( Type                     = nonrouting IV Routing timer            = 600 Broadcast routing timer  = 180 Maximum address          = 1023  Maximum circuits         = 16  Maximum cost             = 1022  Maximum hops             = 30  Maximum visits           = 63  Maximum area             = 63  Max broadcast nonrouters = 64  Max broadcast routers    = 32  Maximum path splits      = 1 Area maximum cost        = 1022  Area maximum hops        = 30  Maximum buffers          = 100 Buffer size              = 5760 Default access           = incoming and outgoing Pipeline quota           = 4032  Alias maximum links      = 32 ' Alias node               =  1.0 (MPIIB) ! Path split policy        = Normal  Maximum Declared Objects = 31     1 So what else is necessary to get proxies to work?    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:32:55 +0100 4 From: "Rhein Andreas" <Andreas.Rhein@SchmidtBank.lu># Subject: Disable IDE-Devices on AXP M Message-ID: <D89EFABA49217E47B3DD46CF44051629328D8E@sblux047.schmidtbank.lux>   E How can I disable by a SET command from the SRM/Boot Prompt the IDE = % Devices on my AXP boxes (4100, DS20)?    Thanks for help.	 -Andreas-    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:45:33 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> ' Subject: Re: Disable IDE-Devices on AXP . Message-ID: <3e3189ce$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  8 What do you mean by disable?  Just not load the drivers?  ? "Rhein Andreas" <Andreas.Rhein@SchmidtBank.lu> wrote in message G news:D89EFABA49217E47B3DD46CF44051629328D8E@sblux047.schmidtbank.lux...   K How can I disable by a SET command from the SRM/Boot Prompt the IDE Devices  on my AXP boxes (4100, DS20)?    Thanks for help.	 -Andreas-    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:22:22 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> E Subject: Re: Dropping Display Postscript (was: automatic screensaver) . Message-ID: <3e31764f$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:IDL5xY9QvEDq@eisner.encompasserve.org... @ > In article <3e3024e0_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"1 <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:  > E > I have a hard time thinking of something else that has pretty fonts D > and is supported back to VMS V5.2.  VMS Development has the luxuryE > of no requirement to run on older versions of the operating system.   F Larry, I feel for you.  Since there seems to be interest here, why not, contact the 3rd party and develop a product?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:34:36 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> E Subject: RE: Dropping Display Postscript (was: automatic screensaver) 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEJCGHAA.tom@kednos.com>   B This provokes the question why some people are still running older@ versions.  One of our customers is running 5.5-2 owing to a needA concerning X25, which I never bothered to understand.  So it must B be an easy matter for the cognoscenti to list the missing packages. that preclude upgrades in many of these cases.   >-----Original Message----- G >From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com] ' >Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:22 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComF >Subject: Re: Dropping Display Postscript (was: automatic screensaver) >  >  > ; >"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message . >news:IDL5xY9QvEDq@eisner.encompasserve.org...A >> In article <3e3024e0_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" 2 ><kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes: >>F >> I have a hard time thinking of something else that has pretty fontsE >> and is supported back to VMS V5.2.  VMS Development has the luxury F >> of no requirement to run on older versions of the operating system. > G >Larry, I feel for you.  Since there seems to be interest here, why not - >contact the 3rd party and develop a product?  >  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). B >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 12:07:03 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Re: Dropping Display Postscript (was: automatic screensaver) 3 Message-ID: <gpsh6vvNXQJi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   r In article <3e31764f$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes: > < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:IDL5xY9QvEDq@eisner.encompasserve.org... A >> In article <3e3024e0_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" 3 > <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:  >>F >> I have a hard time thinking of something else that has pretty fontsE >> and is supported back to VMS V5.2.  VMS Development has the luxury F >> of no requirement to run on older versions of the operating system. > H > Larry, I feel for you.  Since there seems to be interest here, why not. > contact the 3rd party and develop a product?  D Because third parties making up for OS failures is too Microsoftian.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:43:59 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> E Subject: Re: Dropping Display Postscript (was: automatic screensaver) , Message-ID: <3e318971_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:gpsh6vvNXQJi@eisner.encompasserve.org... B > In article <3e31764f$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"1 <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:  > > > > > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message1 > > news:IDL5xY9QvEDq@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > >> In article <3e3024e0_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" 5 > > <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:  > >>H > >> I have a hard time thinking of something else that has pretty fontsG > >> and is supported back to VMS V5.2.  VMS Development has the luxury H > >> of no requirement to run on older versions of the operating system. > > J > > Larry, I feel for you.  Since there seems to be interest here, why not0 > > contact the 3rd party and develop a product? > F > Because third parties making up for OS failures is too Microsoftian.  L But Larry - if there is a market for this - you're a business man - fill theK demand.  Why is this Microsoftian?  Microsoftian is the opposite - they see E something neat being done by a 3rd party and they buy it, or copy it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:46:53 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> 1 Subject: Re: Embedding a secret key in executable $ Message-ID: <3e318a1a$1@news.si.com>  E >Two applications (one background server, and a foreign mail protocol J >(shareable image), linked against the same set of routines will access anI >indexed file to get profile information for a user.  Certain fields will  haveK >simple encryption. I could hardcode a single encryption key in the source,  but I >would like to give each site the ability to have its own key, but ensure  that& >they key remains burried in the code.  I With your (encyrpted) key stored in a file, you could even make this more I general and allow each person to have his or her own key.  The fields I'd * choose to store it in are the USER fields. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:18:04 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>; Subject: Re: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains! 2 Message-ID: <PPacnRDFwbYrda2jXTWcrg@metrocast.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E305A25.68865581@vl.videotron.ca...    ...   H > In such a case, the published rteport is seen as marketing and Gartner would * > want it distributed as much as possible.  L Which is why you often see copyright statements include something like "ThisK article may be reproduced and distributed, as long as this copyright notice 
 is included."    > H > In the same vein, if <what's his name> has a private mailing list, and once in L > a while, he decides to publish one of his newsletters to the public, it is toD > his advantage that said newsletter does get distributed as much as	 possible, L > as long as it is clear in each distribution method that he was the author.  E That's for the author to decide.  If he feels that way, he includes a G statement like the one above.  If he does not include such a statement, ) people have no right to copy the article.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:03:16 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>9 Subject: Re: Interrupt stack with EMC fibre channel disks A Message-ID: <UAcY9.64617$4j5.10381811@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   I I'll have to respectively disagree with Keith.  Starting with 7.2-1h1 and K the so-called Penguin patch, Primary CPU I-state (a side nit is that Alphas J don't technically have an Interrupt Stack but rather operate in  InterruptL State) time of 90% isn't always cause for concern.  However previous to thatJ most SMP envinroments suffer and the Primary CPU I-state time is more thanI 40%.  This can be confirmed by watching the MP_SYNC and IDLE times on the G other CPUs.  MP_SYNC and to a lessor extent Idle time will climb on the L secondary CPUs on 7.2-1 (and before) if the Primary I-state times is causingL a bottleneck.  So yes I'd be concerned about 50% I-state time on the Primary
 in this case.   L All that said, I do agree with Keith that a PC sampler is the only way to beH certain what is really generating the I-state time.  CA's Advise/IT (theJ decendant of DECps) has such a tool.  The only other such tool I'm familarJ with is available on a consulting basis from HP's Customer Support Center.     Todd Maurer  OpenVMS Support > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0301231431.29e5cc53@posting.google.com... 8 > "Kenneth" <yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com> wrote in message& news:<b0i68h$cmj1@rain.i-cable.com>...H > > I am using VMS 7.2-1 with the EMC fibre channel disks, the interrupt stack L > > for CPU-0 may go up as high as 50% of the CPU. Is there any relationship8 > > between them and is there any way I can minimise it. > A > You won't know for sure if there's a relationship without doing H > something like DECps PC Sampling and seeing what VMS modules are being1 > executed in interrupt state on the Primary CPU.  > C > Other things that use Primary CPU time include TQE processing and ? > interrupts from non-Fast_Path devices including LAN adapters.  > H > But I don't think 50% is high enough to be a great concern.  I'd worryG > if you were seeing 80% or higher a lot of the time or peaks of 90% or 	 > higher.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:59:23 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: kvm switch for VAX?) Message-ID: <3E31006B.ADF058AA@127.0.0.1>    Vilmos Soti wrote: >  > Hello, > > > Is there such a kvm switch which enables me to connect a VAXC > (3100 m76) to connect to my one true set of monitor and keyboard?  > Or at least the monitor? > G > Or is there a converter which allows me to connect the aforementioned  > box to a vga monitor?   7 Only if your monitor is a multi synch (synch on green).   E Otherwise, yes I have a (manual) KVM which switches the monitor only. F You will NOT be able to switch the kb and mouse for a VAX, for Alphas, your mileage may vary.  C OK you'll need BNC to VGA cables, and perhaps BNC couplers, or some B other suitable cable, but you have the potential to save a monitor space.  H Something else to consider, I have a monitor which has both SVGA/VGA andH BNC, and I can select from the front buttons, perhaps consider a monitor
 like this?   HTH    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:13:21 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>  Subject: Re: MX mail impressions) Message-ID: <3E316621.5F053210@127.0.0.1>e   Jerry Alan Braga wrote:s > I > Looking at making 1 of our Alpha/VMS 7.3-1 servers as our internet MAILU9 > server.  We currently use it now for our internal mail.i > K > HP TCPIP 5.3 ECO1 just does not have enough under the hood to do completei > configuration.? > IE: SMTP authorizations, replay checks, filtering rules, etc.  > N > Was wondering if anyone is now using MX 5.3 with these features and how wellC > is it running and approx how many users are being served by this?A  6 Second hand experience of 5.n (and first hand of 4.2).  D Forming the mailhub of several hundred users, probably in the 1 or 2G thousand range (dunno I don't administer, but I know what they have andD do), and it's pretty effective.   ? You can trial it for 30 days, but you need to manually teach itsF rejection rules, I've not seen any online examples anywhere. The place/ I'm referring to does have a rejection based onX   Subject: *         *  H No valid email will have 10 empty spaces in there, surely, yet main spamA mailers have them. There is a dedicated newsgroup vmsnet.mail.mx T  ! Hope this helps in a limited way.( -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesT nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:58:35 -05005; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>o  Subject: Re: MX mail impressions$ Message-ID: <3e318cd8$1@news.si.com>  H >Was wondering if anyone is now using MX 5.3 with these features and how wellB >is it running and approx how many users are being served by this?  J MX can handle as many users as your VMS system can handle.  It's anti-spamJ features are very good, but I don't know what you mean by "replay checks".L As for SMTP authorization, you can use RBLs or other filtering techniques to disallow connection. -- GI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.-@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 13:18:07 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)3 Subject: Re: NTP on OpenVMSd+ Message-ID: <ivJ+ayXV3cDw@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>0  X In article <3e311be0@news.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> writes: > F > We are running on one Alpha-OpenVMS system NTP and DTSS in parallel,C > using NTP we are synchronizing the system clock. This system acts = > as DTSS server for our systems which are using DECnet only.t >  Are You sure ???I You may run NTP in parallel, but NTP can't set the system time if DTSS ish* enabled, so NTP is running without effect.  N What You probably mean is to use the NTP protocol in a DTSS provider module toG ask a remote server for the time, then set the system time via the DTSS H provided mechanism as a DTSS local or global server. All other nodes get synchronized by DTSS.nP I do exactly this, mainly of historical reasons: in older UCX versions, UCX$NTP 3 did not automatically switch daylight saving time. s   -- dN Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:07:42 +0000 (UTC)>+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)  Subject: Re: NTP on OpenVMS(+ Message-ID: <b0rdqu$3er$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>>  b In article <3E304F6C.9DE79D82@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:O >The TCPIP Services Management guide is your est friend, bible. It is availableeI >on the www.openvms.compaq.com web site. (They've redone the look and the B >documentation isn't as obvious as before, but it is still there). >-! >Here are some relevant portions:rN >As the system manager of the local host, you determine which network hosts toR >use for synchronization and populate an NTP configuration file with a list of the >participating hosts.e >rC >NTP hosts may be configured in one or more of the following modes:  >i > Client/server modedM >This mode indicates that the local host wants to obtain time from the remotetM >server and is willing to supply time to the remote server if necessary. This K >mode is appropriate in configurations involving a number of redundant time"L >servers interconnected through diverse network paths. Internet time servers >generally use this mode. J >Indicate this mode with a peer declaration in the configuration file. For	 >example:  >peer 18.72.0.3  >  > Client modeM >This mode indicates that the local host wants to obtain time from the remotedO >server but it is not willing to provide time to the remote server. Client modecK >is appropriate for file server and workstation clients that do not providemM >synchronization to other local clients. A host with higher stratum generally0 >uses this mode.? >Configuring and Managing NTP 123Configuring and Managing NTP1 >12.1 Key ConceptsP >Indicate client mode with the server declaration in the configuration file. For	 >example:  >server 18.72.0.3  >  > Broadcast mode G >This mode indicates that the local server will send periodic broadcastSN >messages to a client population at the broadcast/multicast address specified.O >This specification normally applies to the local server operating as a sender."O >Indicate this mode with a broadcast declaration in the configuration file. Forc	 >example:  >broadcast 18.72.0.255 >  >kM >There is a lot more description of all possible options in the configurationc. >file. On the PDF file, it is around page 235.  I Yes the Documentation is there but as a newcomer to NTP I certainly found-F it confusing. The examples only show peer commands (rather than server% commands) which is not want you want.d  L I found the easiest route was to look at some linux documentation on ntp and then come back to the VMS docs.6  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:42:49 +0000 (UTC).+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)0 Subject: Re: NTP on OpenVMS,+ Message-ID: <b0rfsp$4cq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  X In article <3e311be0@news.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> writes: >David Webb wrote:r >> In article <a3c44af1.0301230920.2553b12@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes: >>   > E >We are running on one Alpha-OpenVMS system NTP and DTSS in parallel,oB >using NTP we are synchronizing the system clock. This system acts< >as DTSS server for our systems which are using DECnet only. >1 > 	 >Regards,  >d >Theo4 >   N There is a DTSS NTP Provider program which allows you to run DTSS but get yourK time from NTP. However my understanding was that without this you can't runiO DTSS and also have NTP updating the clock - only one or the other is allowed tos update the clock.   M In fact I've just set this up on one of my pre VMS 7.3-1 systems so that DTSS-. will handle the daylight saving times change. N I haven't tried also setting up NTP on that system and trying to act as an NTPM server - I don't know if that would be possible. I certainly wouldn't like tot: guess what stratum server it would be if it were possible.    M (On the VMS 7.3-1 systems I am using the new AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV SYSGEN parameter 6 and hence have gotten rid of DTSS and just setup NTP).  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:27:31 GMTpF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: NTP on OpenVMSl/ Message-ID: <n3cY9.451$h34.75@news.cpqcorp.net>A  o In article <a3c44af1.0301230920.2553b12@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:e  F >     Incidentally I am using TCPIP Services for OpenVMS Version 5.0A,E >ECO3, with OpenVMS version 7.2-1.     I ran the TCPIP$CONFIG.com and D >set up the service NTP.   I then went and edited the TCPIP$NTP.CONF >file.  A This is fairly recent, but it's still a couple of releases behindv the current version of TCPIP.g  < When I first set up NTP I also found the instructions in the< TCPIP$NTP.CONF file to be less than completely illuminating.9 I filed a problem report and I understand the comments ins> the file have been improved since the version you are running.  > In any event, the documentation should have a good explanation of how to set it up.   >nC >The instructions within the file indicated that all I needed was a G >list of reliable time servers, cycle the service in TCPIP,  and "Bob'ss >your uncle!!".   ; As others have noted, what you need is "server", not "peer"c   -- b(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have ap5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:31:36 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>a Subject: Re: NTP on OpenVMS ? Message-ID: <35fedbb94b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>n  * In message <b0rfsp$4cq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>6           david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote:  Z > In article <3e311be0@news.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de> writes: > >David Webb wrote:t > >> In article <a3c44af1.0301230920.2553b12@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes: > >>   > >iG > >We are running on one Alpha-OpenVMS system NTP and DTSS in parallel, D > >using NTP we are synchronizing the system clock. This system acts> > >as DTSS server for our systems which are using DECnet only. > >W > >2 > >Regards,y > >a > >Theo0 > >E > P > There is a DTSS NTP Provider program which allows you to run DTSS but get yourM > time from NTP. However my understanding was that without this you can't runsQ > DTSS and also have NTP updating the clock - only one or the other is allowed tol > update the clock.t > O > In fact I've just set this up on one of my pre VMS 7.3-1 systems so that DTSSa0 > will handle the daylight saving times change. P > I haven't tried also setting up NTP on that system and trying to act as an NTPO > server - I don't know if that would be possible. I certainly wouldn't like toe< > guess what stratum server it would be if it were possible. >  > O > (On the VMS 7.3-1 systems I am using the new AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV SYSGEN parametert8 > and hence have gotten rid of DTSS and just setup NTP). >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  J I think our experience must have come under "I don't know why it works..."  J We ran a cluster of 4 machines with PhaseV decnet and DTSS running. On oneH of them we ran NTP, configured to look at the Company's external router,B which in turn was looking to an NTP server or two on the Internet.  L This machine was configured as a DTSS global server, as far as I can recall.  H On the occasions when NTP wasn't working we did see clock drift on all 4H machines (in sync with each other but drifting). When NTP re-locked, the drift stopped.  H We did have a spectacularly messy occasion at the end of summer time oneL year - three of the DTSS systems were configured in GMT, the 4th was in UTP.H 3 changed to winter time, one retained the one-hour offset - in the realE clock. The result was a well synchronised time about 20 minutes fast.c  ? Correcting that with a production transaction system running isp interesting...  J "Transaction began in the future" is not what you want to see. Fortunately; it stalled until the clock caught up, rather than aborting.p   Alan   -- s
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:56:31 +010013 From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de>  Subject: Re: NTP on OpenVMSs" Message-ID: <3e311be0@news.fhg.de>   David Webb wrote:Fq > In article <a3c44af1.0301230920.2553b12@posting.google.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter) writes:  > C >>Thanks for your help so far guys.    I found the NTP Service justt >>where you said.cF >>    Incidentally I am using TCPIP Services for OpenVMS Version 5.0A,F >>ECO3, with OpenVMS version 7.2-1.     I ran the TCPIP$CONFIG.com andE >>set up the service NTP.   I then went and edited the TCPIP$NTP.CONFc >>file.e >>D >>The instructions within the file indicated that all I needed was aH >>list of reliable time servers, cycle the service in TCPIP,  and "Bob's >>your uncle!!". >> >>Fat Chance!! >>= >>The Config file had only the following uncommented entries.  >>3 >>driftfile SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP.DRIFTi >> >>peer time.nist.gov >>peer time-b.nist.gov" >>peer time-b.timefreq.bldrdoc.gov >>peer utcnist.colorado.eduA >>peer time-nw.nist.gov.! >>peer nist1.dc.certifiedtime.comt >>; >>Q1.   Should there be more information in the .CONF file?mG >>Q2.   When the Service is enabled, should there be a process created?u >>(I dont see one.). >>D >>    Queries using NTPDC indicate that the "***  REQUEST TIMED OUT"? >>    The Log file contains statistical information, however itW >>concludes with >>"permission denied". >>D >>    Thinking it might be firewall related, I replaced the external@ >>'peer's with an internal source, our Network Core Router, i.e. >> >>peer xxx.xx.1.1. >> >>with the same result.s >>F >>    I would really appreciate if someone could telme what I am doing
 >>wrong here.t >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>Dave Baxter. >  > 3 > Just going through exactly the same process here.o >  > A few things that might help.W > O > 1) You probably don't want to peer with a public server. Peering implies thatU@ > as well as taking the time you are also willing to provide it.9 > Peers might also require you to provide authentication.r >  > Better to use thet >  > server command.n >  > 2) I tried >  > server  ntp0.ja.net- > server  ntp1.ja.net  > server  ntp2.ja.netr >  FN > Which are ntp timeservers which are accessible to the UK academic community. >  > However this didn't work.7 >  > (I also put in o >  > server  ntp0.ja.net version 3s > server  ntp1.ja.net version 3h > server  ntp2.ja.net version 3a > O > since I'm not quite sure whether these servers are running the latest versione > NTP 4 or not). > L > After much headscratching and talking to Compaq/HP support staff I finallyC > have got it working using the ip addresses rather than the names.t > , > This is with DEC TCPIP services 5.3 eco 1. > P > With this version of tcpip services individual startup and shutdown proceduresQ > are provided for each service - so I had run @sys$manager:tcpip$ntp_startup.comLO > which created a TCPIP$NTP_1 process. I can't remember whether such individualmN > startup and shutdown procedures were provided with TCPIP service 5.0a eco 3. >  >  > H > 3) Make sure you have turned off DTSS if you are using DECNET Phase V.9 >    NTP and DECNET PHASE V cannot both update the clock.s > M >    How you do this depends on the version of DECNET phase V you are runningt >    either :- >  > 1)R >     Goal: How to permanently disable DTSS on DECnet Plus v7.2-1 ECO 02 or Higher >     Fact: OpenVMS V7.2-1/ >     Fact: DECnet Plus v7.2-1 ECO 02 or Higher , >     Fact: DECnet plus v7.1 ECO06 or higher > A >     Fix: Inhibit DTSS startup by using the following procedure:A > 3 >     1. Boot up normally allowing DTSS to come up.t@ >     2. Set the TDF using NET$CONFIGURE OPTION 5 (set timezone)P >     3. $mcr ncl disable dtss (to disable DTSS on the currently running system)N >     4. Put "$DEFINE/SYSTEM NET$DISABLE_DTSS 1" in sylogicals.com (to prevent/ >        DTSS from starting on the next reboot)u >     5. reboot the system >  >  > or s >  > 2) sQ >     Goal: How to permanently disable DTSS on DECnet Plus v7.2-1 ECO 01 or lowero >     Fact: OpenVMS V7.2-1  >     Fact: OpenVMS all versions >     Fact: DTSS, >     Fact: Distributed Timer Server Service+ >     Fact: DECnet Plus v7.1 ECO05 or lowerS. >     Fact: DECnet Plus v7.2-1 ECO 01 or lower > Q > Fix: To stop DTSS starting up edit the SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]DTSS$STARTUP.COMp > file.m > M > Note: Do not just edit the file to include an '$EXIT' statement. For properTM > operation, DECnet-Plus requires the kernel location EXE$GO_TDF be correctlycP > initialised, and this is done when DTSS starts up. Therefore, modify the file P > to start DTSS and then shut it down, leaving EXE$GO_TDF correctly initialised. > 8 > Add the following lines after the COMMON_EXIT label in* > SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]DTSS$STARTUP.COM >  > $ ncl disable dtss > $ ncl delete dtssr > P > The result should be that the last few lines of the file become the following: >  > $ COMMON_EXIT: > $ ncl disable dtss > $ ncl delete dtssw$ > $ NEW_PRIVS = F$SETPRV(PREV_PRIVS) > $ exit > Q > This will start and stop DTSS at boot time and will generate a warning message.e > B > VITAL : DECnet-Plus depends on the proper setting of EXE$GO_TDF,; > DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE.EXE must not be prevented from running.( > O > 3) After editing TCPIP$NTP.CONF and starting up NTP you should see a logfile..N >    You can get greater detail of what is happening by defining a system wideO >    logical name TCPIP$NTP_LOG_LEVEL  this can take a value from 1 to 6 with 6c% >    being the most detailed logging.o > F > 4) You can use the NTPTRACE command to see whether NTP is working :- > ' >    @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commandsm >  >    eg  >  >    ntptrace myntp1.mdx.ac.uk< > myntp1: stratum 3, offset 0.000000, synch distance 0.43906= > myntp0: stratum 2, offset 45.242310, synch distance 0.16142CP > ntp0.ja.net: stratum 1, offset -74.691925, synch distance 0.00101, refid 'MSF' >  > andN >  >     ntptrace myntp0.mdx.ac.uk = > myntp0: stratum 2, offset 45.208302, synch distance 0.16196 P > ntp0.ja.net: stratum 1, offset -74.709515, synch distance 0.00153, refid 'MSF' > E > myntp1 just has a server line with the ip address of myntp0 in it's1Q > tcpip$ntp.conf file whilst myntp0 has server lines conmtaining the ip addresses% > of the janet servers.c > M > Once I've got this working ok I'll set up further local ntp servers gettingtC > their time from the janet servers and setup peering between them.t >  > ) > (Note. The myntp's are not real names).t >  > / > Hope some of this information is of some use.N >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  >   D We are running on one Alpha-OpenVMS system NTP and DTSS in parallel,A using NTP we are synchronizing the system clock. This system actsP; as DTSS server for our systems which are using DECnet only.      Regards,   Theo   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:11:05 +0000 (UTC) 5 From: "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk>eK Subject: OT: microdrives etc as storage devices (was Re: How to Backup OSX) . Message-ID: <b0re18$h3$1@venus.btinternet.com>  = "Ron Shepard" <ron-shepard@NOSPAM.attbi.com> wrote in messager; news:ron-shepard-C079FD.00250424012003@netnews.attbi.com...g> > In article <howard-37C75E.22390423012003@enews.newsguy.com>,+ >  Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:  > ? > > > Until the "cubes" fit in a shirt pocket, it won't happen.  > >6G > > Current disks don't fit there, why do these have to?  Just curious.y > E > This has little to do with the backup discussion, but there are 2.5aD > inch hard drives that do fit in your shirt pocket.  Also, I saw anE > article recently about a small 4GB drive that was about the size of C > a postage stamp and about 2mm thick.  Imagine putting a few dozen B > (or a few hundred) of these on a card with a RAID controller for > fault tolerance. >l > $.02 -Ron Shepardx  I FYI OT ETC: Beware. Some of these "microdrives" make it *very* clear that F they are not intended for active long term data storage and retrieval,L rather for data transportation between systems. My Tosh 2GB PCMCIA certainlyH does; I had assumed that other similar "microdrives" from IBM (they do aB CompactFlash one meeting your description) and others  had similarH restrictions. Even if it were solidstate memory CompactFlash, they stillL have a limited number of writes before they wear out. This isn't the kind ofK RAID I'd like to see. Maybe OK for backing up laptops (and saving somewhereo
 else) though.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:49:21 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG5 Subject: Re: PHD$L_PSTBASOFF <= PHD$L_PST_BASE_OFFSET 0 Message-ID: <00A1A6F4.D1797A93@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <dZEkcKxNa8kI@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: C >With Alpha VMS V7.0, symbol PHD$L_PSTBASOFF was replaced by symboltE >PHD$L_PST_BASE_OFFSET.  Both the old and the new comments in $PHDDEF2" >are "Byte offset to base of PST". >hF >Can someone tell me what the semantic change was that caused the name	 >change ?D  J V7.0 was the introduction of 64 bit addressing and the move of the processJ page tables.  My guess is that the name was changed to intentionally breakJ code that fiddled about in this realm as a way to force revisiting it for J possible necessary changes.  ...or maybe engineering wants more to type as> a way to increase levels of physical activity and exercise. :) --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM2            45   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:20:53 -0500X+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>A, Subject: Re: Platform agnostic security hole0 Message-ID: <VNdY9.459$Wa4.135@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 "Mike Rechtman" <rechtman@tzora.co.il> wrote in messageu$ news:3E30DC78.3020709@tzora.co.il... > Shane Smith wrote:< > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,841047,00.asp > >KI > > To quote a snippet [and of course, not making any money off it :-) ]:r > >m > >rL > >>The attack, dubbed Cross-Site Tracing (XST), involves a method whereby aI > >>programmable engine or common client side scripting language, such aseH > >>JavaScript, accesses and obtains Web authentication credentials on aF > >>target system regardless of how well the information is stored andJ > >>protected. This in turn can be used by a hacker to assume the identityE > >>of a victim on an array of sites ranging from Web mail, to online  banking, > >>to auction sites.- > >- > >-J > > And yep, I reckon it means Mozilla on VMS will be affected, so this is
 > > on topic.j >:J >  From my reading of the article XST affects web *servers*, not browsers.A > This may still be applicable to Apache on VMS, or other servers  > currently less supported.s >lH > Does anyone recall how to switch off the TRACE facility on CSWS (after* > all, the first S stands for "secure"...)  K TRACE is a diagnostic component of the HTTP protocol that's similar to ICMPhL ECHO. The server bounces a HTTP request it receives from the browser back toC the browser, including the Cookies: header if the browser sent one.d  K The TRACE method cannot be controlled on the Apache server with the <Limit>A
 directive.  L But the real problem lies at the client and its ability to run programs likeK JavaScript that are downloaded from web pages, embedded mail programs, etc.DJ The client is the central point of vulnerability since it can be programedG in a number of ways to send potentially senstitive cookies as part of a># TRACE request from a rogue program.h  I Relying on every server on the Internet to disable TRACE is not practicalMH nor reliable. Nothing stops someone from running a nefarious server with( TRACE enabled in order to catch cookies.  E Some firewalls or content filters may be able to filter outgoing HTTP G requests with the TRACE method, but for the average Joe this may not an  option.e  
 Rick Barry Secure Web Server Team OpenVMS System Software Groupr Hewlett-Packard Company.
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:04:43 -0500i+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>y, Subject: Re: Platform agnostic security hole/ Message-ID: <hjfY9.463$If4.75@news.cpqcorp.net>0  9 > "Mike Rechtman" <rechtman@tzora.co.il> wrote in message0& > news:3E30DC78.3020709@tzora.co.il... > > Shane Smith wrote:
 < > [snip]J > > Does anyone recall how to switch off the TRACE facility on CSWS (after, > > all, the first S stands for "secure"...)  G You cannot control TRACE with the Apache <Limit> directive, but you can-2 using mod_rewrite (acknowledgement to ApacheWeek):   RewriteEngine On$ RewriteCond %{REQUEST_METHOD} ^TRACE RewriteRule .* - [F]  / More information on this issue can be found at:i  ) http://www.apacheweek.com/issues/03-01-24tF http://www.cgisecurity.com/whitehat-mirror/WH-WhitePaper_XST_ebook.pdf  
 Rick Barry Secure Web Server Team OpenVMS System Software Group  Hewlett-Packard Companyt
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:00:46 +0000.- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>mI Subject: Re: TCP/IP Services v5.3 - how to increase the number of "mbufs"c/ Message-ID: <v32e8ebup12r7a@corp.supernews.com>u   labadie wrote:. > "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> wrote in message% > news:3E2EABCF.47A73EDB@Omond.net...m >  > [...snip...] > ' >  > Where *is* this stuff documented ?uK > In the Tuning and troubleshooting guide for Tcpip, e.g. on this mirror of-
 > the docsN > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/openvms0731/731final/6631/6631pro_index.ht > ml  H Thanks, I have a local copy and it's interesting reading.  Not too badly4 documented at all.  I take back my (slight) rant :-)   > K >>It's consistent;  when "20000 mbufs allocated to protocol control blocks"CE >>is reached, no more incoming (or outgoing) connections or even somegC >>TCPIP internal commands are sucessful.  If one session does exit,rK >>reducing the 20,000 to, say, 19,998, then new connections are successful.v% >>Is this 20,000 hard coded somewheree >  > It seems :-(  D Well, after reading the FM, it's actually quite logical to have this@ hard-coded to 20,000.  From the documentation, each "tcp" socketA consumes 2 mbufs for protocol control blocks, and each "udp" onlyoB one mbuf.  Hence in the "worst" case with 9,999 (since this is theD limit for number of sockets (BGn devices), and each of these a "tcp"> socket, we should never exceed 20,000 (-2?) mbufs allocated to protocol control blocks.  @ So, I'd say this looks like something is "leaking", since at the= time, there were only 1,188 current sockets, and 20,000 mbufse
 allocated.    	 Roy Omond- Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 08:24:13 -0800- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)u Subject: VAX network monitor... = Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0301240824.4053ee46@posting.google.com>p  ; In my job we have 30 Micro VAX running VMS V5.5 in network. . Id like to create a procedure to continuously5 verify if any server is down. How could I make this ?e2 Issuing "dir vax01::sys$manager:operator.log" is a) way, but Id like a most intelligent way.n We use UCX.n Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:32:54 +0100eE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>r# Subject: Re: VAX network monitor... + Message-ID: <3E316AB6.2AA5B1CB@mediasec.de>p  = > In my job we have 30 Micro VAX running VMS V5.5 in network.r0 > Id like to create a procedure to continuously7 > verify if any server is down. How could I make this ?o4 > Issuing "dir vax01::sys$manager:operator.log" is a+ > way, but Id like a most intelligent way.   A You first need to define what "down" means. A ping, for instance,pC will detect a power or hardware failure, but not a software problem-B in an application because it's done in interrupt mode deep down in9 the stack. Do you wanter cover denial-of-service as well?   C Once you have an answer to this question, one might be able to makes concrete suggestions.f   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:52:16 -0800o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: RE: VAX network monitor...e9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEJAGHAA.tom@kednos.com>p  # Have you looked at Cockpit Manager?c   >-----Original Message-----e: >From: Jan C. Vorbrggen [mailto:jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de]' >Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:33 AMc >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com$ >Subject: Re: VAX network monitor... >e >i> >> In my job we have 30 Micro VAX running VMS V5.5 in network.1 >> Id like to create a procedure to continuouslyd8 >> verify if any server is down. How could I make this ?5 >> Issuing "dir vax01::sys$manager:operator.log" is ab, >> way, but Id like a most intelligent way. >rB >You first need to define what "down" means. A ping, for instance,D >will detect a power or hardware failure, but not a software problemC >in an application because it's done in interrupt mode deep down in-: >the stack. Do you wanter cover denial-of-service as well? >kD >Once you have an answer to this question, one might be able to make >concrete suggestions. >s >	Jan  >c >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.m; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).gB >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 >  ---n& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:57:28 GMTr( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com># Subject: Re: VAX network monitor...h- Message-ID: <c8fY9.19217$rM2.17056@rwcrnsc53>   7 WhatsUp from Ipswitch is excellent...  www.ipswitch.comb   Just a satisfied customer.   ML  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEJAGHAA.tom@kednos.com... % > Have you looked at Cockpit Manager?h >a > >-----Original Message-----t< > >From: Jan C. Vorbrggen [mailto:jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de]) > >Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:33 AMu > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& > >Subject: Re: VAX network monitor... > >n > >n@ > >> In my job we have 30 Micro VAX running VMS V5.5 in network.3 > >> Id like to create a procedure to continuouslyo: > >> verify if any server is down. How could I make this ?7 > >> Issuing "dir vax01::sys$manager:operator.log" is ac. > >> way, but Id like a most intelligent way. > >cD > >You first need to define what "down" means. A ping, for instance,F > >will detect a power or hardware failure, but not a software problemE > >in an application because it's done in interrupt mode deep down ini< > >the stack. Do you wanter cover denial-of-service as well? > > F > >Once you have an answer to this question, one might be able to make > >concrete suggestions. > >  > > Jan  > >  > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.r= > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).oD > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 > >s > ---n( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/20022 >a   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 10:13:09 -0800% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)D Subject: VMS License Transfers? = Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0301241013.4430fc26@posting.google.com>w  D I am considering buying a DS10 to replace a failed AlphaStation 400.  H Can I use the Paks from the 400 to cover some of the licenses, including1 an 8 user license and and disk shadowing license.a  # The DS10 comes with a base license.   I It looks to me that the units on the PAKs are adequate.  The only licensesA that I see that has higher unit requirements is the base license.N  
 Will it work?t   Is it legal?  G Can I treat the new system as a backup for the failed system to justify C use of the licenses? I don't plan to every try to run both systems.   < Who do I call to get or transfer the correct legal licenses?   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 12:57:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)p# Subject: Re: VMS License Transfers?T3 Message-ID: <t$bAGzf$fbzS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <ea44f5a1.0301241013.4430fc26@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:3F > I am considering buying a DS10 to replace a failed AlphaStation 400. > J > Can I use the Paks from the 400 to cover some of the licenses, including  B Some license can be sold with the hardware and others can be moved) between machines you own.  None are both.n  3 > an 8 user license and and disk shadowing license.5  > AS I recall, those are both the "sell with the hardware" type.  % > The DS10 comes with a base license.n > K > It looks to me that the units on the PAKs are adequate.  The only licenseiC > that I see that has higher unit requirements is the base license.x >  > Will it work?e >  > Is it legal?  @ Legality is controled by the Software License Transfer Policy atI http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/software/info/policies/swl_xfer.html .n  I > Can I treat the new system as a backup for the failed system to justifyrE > use of the licenses? I don't plan to every try to run both systems.l  L That would only be legal if you intend to move back to the original machine.  > > Who do I call to get or transfer the correct legal licenses?  G For transfers, see the web page I cited (and others to which it links).y  7 For purchasing new license, see "your normal reseller".r   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 08:48:29 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)C Subject: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?-= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301240848.73c6b127@posting.google.com>n   Hello,  D Is LBN 0 on Files-11 disks at the outer edge of the physical disk or7 the inner edge? (Assuming revectoring hasn't occurred.)e  C Where on the physical disk is LBN 0 located with other popular filea systems?  C Do increasing LBN's simply "quasi-spiral" across the disk? That is, E are the lowest, say, five percent of the blocks all at about the same  radius?'  B I am making CD-Rs containing save set files that are about 2000 toC 7000 blocks each. Does it matter much where I place the index file?.- And if yes, where's the best place to put it?i  C I set /headers and /maximimum files to a little above the number ofdB files I am placing on the CD-R. Is there anything else I can do to8 optimize the performance when reading the finished disk?   Thanks.o   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 11:13:28 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen):G Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?a3 Message-ID: <VLbOTNxpnlf5@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  n In article <b096a4ee.0301240848.73c6b127@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  F > Is LBN 0 on Files-11 disks at the outer edge of the physical disk or9 > the inner edge? (Assuming revectoring hasn't occurred.)r > E > Where on the physical disk is LBN 0 located with other popular filei
 > systems?  J LBN 0 must be at the inner edge, since discs are written starting from the center.N  E > Do increasing LBN's simply "quasi-spiral" across the disk? That is,eG > are the lowest, say, five percent of the blocks all at about the samec	 > radius?l   Yes.  D > I am making CD-Rs containing save set files that are about 2000 toE > 7000 blocks each. Does it matter much where I place the index file?i/ > And if yes, where's the best place to put it?e  J Compared to the access speed of CDROMs, I would speculate that it does not6 matter.  The degree of caching is much more important.  E > I set /headers and /maximimum files to a little above the number ofjD > files I am placing on the CD-R. Is there anything else I can do to: > optimize the performance when reading the finished disk?  E The ISO-9660 standard allows for interleaved file recording, but I dotF not know if that trick matters with modern CDROMs.  I also do not know0 of a program that will write interleaved format.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:16:12 -0500-$ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>G Subject: RE: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?tJ Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492AFB0@lespaul.process.com>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]) > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:48 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E > Subject: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?g >  >  > Hello, > F > Is LBN 0 on Files-11 disks at the outer edge of the physical disk or9 > the inner edge? (Assuming revectoring hasn't occurred.)n >   : Well, I hope I don't say anything inaccurate here, as it's all from memory, but here goes:h  > Files-11 treats a disk as an array of blocks, and the physical@ block mapping is done at driver level.  I think it implies that : the physical block corresponding to LBN 0 *could* vary, if the driver wanted it that way.  = That being said, I think most (all?) VMS drivers place it at t the inner edge.   > But I have heard that in the old days, inner tracks were less < reliable due to higher densities (the same number of bits on= a track with a smaller circumference), and therefore everyoneaA should place Important Stuff at the outside or middle.  I really e don't know if that's true.  C Pick up two partially-filled VMS CD's.  Look at the data side, and tD you can probably see a differently-sized unwritten area at the outer; edges with the unaided eye.  (I just tried it to make sure,/C and sure enough, data seem to start in the center and work outward, , unless I need glasses worse than I thought.)  E > Where on the physical disk is LBN 0 located with other popular fileo
 > systems? >   6 I don't know about enough systems to answer this part.   >nE > Do increasing LBN's simply "quasi-spiral" across the disk? That is, G > are the lowest, say, five percent of the blocks all at about the samer	 > radius?e >   ? I believe LBN's start at the inside, go around once, then move h? outward one track.  The general case has to deal with multiple  ; surfaces.  In that case I think that the same track on eachnA surface (the cylinder) is used before stepping to the next track.x  B In reality, at each of these breaks, I believe there is an offset C that allows the controller to catch up, heads stop vibrating, etc. lB so that you don't miss part of the data and have to wait until it < comes around again.  (The first block of track two is offset( from the first track on block one, etc.)  D > I am making CD-Rs containing save set files that are about 2000 toE > 7000 blocks each. Does it matter much where I place the index file?e/ > And if yes, where's the best place to put it?e >   F It may matter, a little.  Under Files-11, you'll typically be looking F up a file in a directory, then going to INDEXF.SYS to get the header, E then to the file.  Since CD devices have slow seeks, you may be able rF to affect performance.  I think you can reasonably expect the data to G go to low LBNs during creation since it's not an active user disk with ' extent cache entries, etc.  F By default, the bulk of INDEXF.SYS is placed at the middle, minimizingD the longest seek from it to any track.  In your application, you mayI be better off placing it at the beginning, assuming you use significantly'G less than the total space available.  If the file headers are closer toe, the data, your average seek will be shorter.  C If you read one saveset now and then or the disk is more than aboutfD half full, it won't matter.  But if you step through the whole disk F sequentially, you might be able to measure a difference.  It might be E interesting to write one of each and see.  $ DIR/DATE [000000...]*.* e: will have to read each header, so that may be a good test.9 If you try it, post the results, but only if I'm right ;)S  E Decent cache performance might negate most of the difference, if any.s( I'll use that as my excuse if I'm wrong.  E > I set /headers and /maximimum files to a little above the number ofaD > files I am placing on the CD-R. Is there anything else I can do to: > optimize the performance when reading the finished disk? > 	 > Thanks.o >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman  >s   -Mike Duffy    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:30:53 -0800y( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>G Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?l- Message-ID: <3E31865D.EA8735D2@NelsonUSA.com>F   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > p > In article <b096a4ee.0301240848.73c6b127@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > H > > Is LBN 0 on Files-11 disks at the outer edge of the physical disk or; > > the inner edge? (Assuming revectoring hasn't occurred.)  > >nG > > Where on the physical disk is LBN 0 located with other popular filee > > systems? > L > LBN 0 must be at the inner edge, since discs are written starting from the	 > center.e  C Just in case someone in a future Google search misses the "CD-R", I  would like to clarify this:   A This is true for a CD-R (or CDROM), but not true for other disks.m  B It doesn't matter what file system (Files-11 or otherwise) you areD using, LBN 0 is LBN 0.   The physical location of LBN (Logical BlockK Number) 0 is a function of the disk drive, the controller (to some extent), . and the I/O driver (to an even lesser extent).  I You need to also keep in mind the concept of Physical Block Number (PBN).A= For many disks this is the same as LBN, but there are severala< examples where they are different (RX01, RX50, CDROM, etc.).  ? However, for most of the history of disk drives, LBN 0 has beene? located on the outer track of the media.   I believe that CDROMI? was the first disc/disk media to use the inner diameter for thebC beginning of data, but would appreciate any corrections or updates.    Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:53:55 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>eG Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R? ; Message-ID: <01KRMIJJ10FS96VR7Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r  A > However, for most of the history of disk drives, LBN 0 has beenrA > located on the outer track of the media.   I believe that CDROMaA > was the first disc/disk media to use the inner diameter for thetE > beginning of data, but would appreciate any corrections or updates.   H Right, that's the way it was with vinyl (16-1/3, 33-1/3, 45, 78).  When 0 CDs came out, it took some getting used to.  :-)  G I think there were some records which had TWO spiral tracks; depending aE on where one put the needle, either one or the other would be played.m  E Wow, does this sound painful!  These days, physical contact within a tH storage medium sounds really obsolete.  We're still a way away from the D real goal, though, formulated in Arthur C. Clarke's THE CITY AND THE/ STARS: no machine may contain any moving parts.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:13:14 +0200" From: almonious@hotmail.comh< Subject: Re: Worlds Cheapest VIAGRA-Under $1.00 a Pill  88958 Message-ID: <1u723v0qulavk3e79frcd3g5sbb2gr9ovp@4ax.com>  * "WildStaringEyes" <WSE@ILOVEPF.COM> wrote:  O Real Men who can program in Real-Time in VxWorks don't need no stinkin v*agra!!    >s' ><dlmmqk@viagra99.com> wrote in messageT, >news:H36dnX-bGrIeSLijXTWcow@giganews.com... >> 100% real VIAGRA 
 >> Guaranteed 7 >> Cheapest on the planet....we buy in bulk so you save  >> >> http://www.viagra99.com >> tfvdf >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:54:23 +0000 # From: vervoom <vervoom@hotmail.com>o Subject: xfree and vms- Message-ID: <b0r61g$r4a$1@cspc1n11.baplc.com>e   Hi,   H I'd like to run DecWindows from a VMS Vax system on xfree86, but I have L a couple of problems which I wondered if anyone here could help me out with?  D 1. Missing fonts: I couldn't find any pcf fonts on the system, only G *.DECW$FONT files. Is there a utility around which would convert those A8 to pcf/bdf format? Or anywhere I can download them from?  E 2. Not all the keys work: Has anyone got an xmodmap with all the key 1	 mappings?0   Thanks for any help,   JS.k   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:14:18 +0100e( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL> Subject: RE: xfree and vmsC Message-ID: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737BFC@wt15.wt.tno.nl>t  ' I do have .pcf files on my vms cluster. > They are located in sys$sysdevice:[vms$common.sysfont.decw...]  * Maybe you did not look around well enough?   Mark         -----Original Message-----* From: vervoom [mailto:vervoom@hotmail.com]$ Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:54 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComT Subject: xfree and vms     Hi,h  H I'd like to run DecWindows from a VMS Vax system on xfree86, but I have L a couple of problems which I wondered if anyone here could help me out with?  D 1. Missing fonts: I couldn't find any pcf fonts on the system, only G *.DECW$FONT files. Is there a utility around which would convert those F8 to pcf/bdf format? Or anywhere I can download them from?  E 2. Not all the keys work: Has anyone got an xmodmap with all the key -	 mappings?.   Thanks for any help,   JS..   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2003 13:07:49 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)o Subject: Re: xfree and vms+ Message-ID: <4GSaZnu5F4T7@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   S In article <b0r61g$r4a$1@cspc1n11.baplc.com>, vervoom <vervoom@hotmail.com> writes:t > Hi,  > J > I'd like to run DecWindows from a VMS Vax system on xfree86, but I have N > a couple of problems which I wondered if anyone here could help me out with?  ; You mean the Vax/VMS Decwindows is the X11 display server ?xO If the Vax/VMS is on the X11 client, then the fonts on the VMS are irrelevant !o  F > 1. Missing fonts: I couldn't find any pcf fonts on the system, only I > *.DECW$FONT files. Is there a utility around which would convert those e: > to pcf/bdf format? Or anywhere I can download them from?  O On VAX, the decwindows server uses only the SNF format (the *.decw$font files).tG I can't provide You with the fonts, but font sources (BDF files) can beqM compiled into the VMS decwindows server formats (SNF, PCF on Alpha) with the m(   FONT compiler command (see HELP FONT).  jG > 2. Not all the keys work: Has anyone got an xmodmap with all the key   > mappings?r  2 For Your particular Xserver/keyboard combination ? Use the XEV utility comingH with decwindows (in the DECW$UTILS: directory ), or the XKEYCAPS program! ( http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/ ).rA They give You the actual keycodes to enter into the xmodmap file.eL To work with VMS (editors), one needs as a minimum to map keypad PF1 to PF4,F depending on personal taste either to F1 to F4, or to "NumLock|/|*|-".  B Example for a DEC PCXAL keyboard (PC style) on an DEC3000 station: keycode 139 = Insert keycode 140 = DRemove  keycode 141 = Select keycode 142 = Priori keycode 143 = Next= keycode 161 = KP_F1      ! Function key f1 mapped as DEC PF1 r keycode 162 = KP_F2$ keycode 163 = KP_F3h keycode 164 = KP_F4T# keycode 129 = Help       ! DEC HELP " keycode 130 = Menu       ! DEC do   n -- eN Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:54:55 +0000E# From: vervoom <vervoom@hotmail.com>k Subject: Re: xfree and vms* Message-ID: <3E3145AF.2090306@hotmail.com>   Joseph Huber wrote:tU > In article <b0r61g$r4a$1@cspc1n11.baplc.com>, vervoom <vervoom@hotmail.com> writes:  >  >>Hi,r >>J >>I'd like to run DecWindows from a VMS Vax system on xfree86, but I have N >>a couple of problems which I wondered if anyone here could help me out with? >  > > > You mean the Vax/VMS Decwindows is the X11 display server ? Q > If the Vax/VMS is on the X11 client, then the fonts on the VMS are irrelevant !z >  > F >>1. Missing fonts: I couldn't find any pcf fonts on the system, only I >>*.DECW$FONT files. Is there a utility around which would convert those (: >>to pcf/bdf format? Or anywhere I can download them from? >  > Q > On VAX, the decwindows server uses only the SNF format (the *.decw$font files).sI > I can't provide You with the fonts, but font sources (BDF files) can be1O > compiled into the VMS decwindows server formats (SNF, PCF on Alpha) with the e* >   FONT compiler command (see HELP FONT). >  O > G >>2. Not all the keys work: Has anyone got an xmodmap with all the key t >>mappings?i >  > 4 > For Your particular Xserver/keyboard combination ? > Use the XEV utility comingJ > with decwindows (in the DECW$UTILS: directory ), or the XKEYCAPS program# > ( http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/ ). C > They give You the actual keycodes to enter into the xmodmap file.tN > To work with VMS (editors), one needs as a minimum to map keypad PF1 to PF4,H > depending on personal taste either to F1 to F4, or to "NumLock|/|*|-". > D > Example for a DEC PCXAL keyboard (PC style) on an DEC3000 station: > keycode 139 = Insert > keycode 140 = DRemove  > keycode 141 = Select > keycode 142 = Prioro > keycode 143 = Next? > keycode 161 = KP_F1      ! Function key f1 mapped as DEC PF1 e > keycode 162 = KP_F2V > keycode 163 = KP_F3) > keycode 164 = KP_F4w% > keycode 129 = Help       ! DEC HELPd$ > keycode 130 = Menu       ! DEC do  >  I   Thanks Joseph,  C I am trying to run DecWindows (or more specifically an application uC called ISIS) as the x-client on cygwin/xfree86 (which is a windows C XServer). Thanks for your help.d   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.048 ************************