0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 26 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 51      Contents:" Re: Alpha workstation floppy drive1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium 1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium  Re: automatic screensaver G Re: copyright (was: RE: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains!)  DS10's Going Cheap ! Re: dynamic DNS  Re: dynamic DNS  Re: dynamic DNS  Re: dynamic DNS ( Re: Embedding a secret key in executable2 Re: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains! EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question FA: Cheap LPS20 Drum Kit  Firesafes Was: How to Backup OSX ftp does not respond Re: ftp does not respond Re: ftp does not respond Re: ftp does not respond! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?   How to get Digital printer parts/ Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium! / Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium! / Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium! / Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium! / Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium! 0 Re: Interrupt stack with EMC fibre channel disks Re: Marvel Performance Re: Marvel Performance. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?. Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?" Re: Motif and SYS$QIO / AST in VMS" Re: Motif and SYS$QIO / AST in VMS Re: MX mail impressions  Re: MX mail impressions  Re: Network install of VMS Re: NIST Servers and ACTS P Police Forensic & Evidence Elimination programs                                 P Police Forensic & Evidence Elimination programs                                 ( Re: SCSI bus problem on MicroVAX 3100/98 Re: VAX network monitor... Re: VAX network monitor... Re: VAX network monitor... Re: VAX network monitor... Re: VAX network monitor... Re: VMS and CSWS (Apache)  Re: VMS source listings ? P Re: What makes newsgroups so much fun ... (was: HP Sets the Stage for  Alpha's LP What makes newsgroups so much fun ... (was: HP Sets the Stage for Alpha's Last H> Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?> Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?> Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?> Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R? Re: xfree and vms  Re: xfree and vms 1 [PATHWORKS[-32]] Some experiences/rants/questions   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:14:38 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: Alpha workstation floppy drive ' Message-ID: <3E32011E.D082AC6D@fsi.net>    "Mark D. Jilson" wrote:  > G > I cannot INIT with HD either but /DEN=DD does work.  Give that a try.   E ...or leave off /DENSITY completely and let it default to the current  density of the media.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 02:05:45 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>: Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium- Message-ID: <87u1fxyuiu.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   C "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:   D > Ah, JF the industry analyst.  We don't know what the x86-64 volume> > will be.  Certainly the volume for it's 64-bitness is littleF > different than any other 64-bit architecture.  It's volume future isF > dependent on it being a price/performance leader in the 32-bit space+ > - and in particular the single CPU space.   5 Well, the 500 lead Hammer systems sold out in 2 days.   6 Merced sold 2 systems, from some reports, in 12 years.  E It is obvious which system is the run away best seller. Just not sure  which way to run.    F > Now, in that 64-bit space what makes you think that it's volume will= > be less than say, Sparc?  Or Power?  Or Alpha?  Or PA-RISC?   L Well, all the VMS shops here are now solidly Sun. Well done baldy,you did inK a few weeks what years of Sun special offers and the like never got further ( than a `play with it then send it back'.   B > > Secondly, when you look at how must it costed Intel to developB > > IA64, (and how long), I am not sure that Intel will be able to' > > continue to subsidize Ia64 forever.    D > This is meaningless.  It doesn't matter if they started the design@ > during World War I.  The development cost during that time hasA > already been spent and written off.  The current pricing of the C > chips and systems make it competetive with the 64-bit systems out  > there.  F Funny, does the same apply to Alpha costs? They are even more spent...   < > >EV7 may be a few years late, but that is probably because? > >Digital/Compaq didn't want to spend much on developpers, and F > >obviously because HP didn't want to rush EV7 out. But Intel gave itD > >all it got to develop the IA64 and it was delayed and delayed and > >delayed.   B > Wild speculation from someone not objective, but with an agenda.  E No, statment from developers that EV7 and EV8 where *BOTH* delayed by C cumpuke manglers cutting funding and pulling people at key times to G do other stuff. Why, I can remember one of the VMS group spitting chips F about trying to debug EV6 screwups with no real PC or registers at theA time of the crash. Pity that logic was killed as a cost saving...   J > It will be a *long* time before you see significant Windows applicationsK > that are 64-bit only.  What it needs is the "killer app" that can only be N > done with 64-bit Windows.  In the decade+ of 64-bit architectures, it hasn'tG > happened yet.  Some scientific apps, and some database stuff - all on  > non-Windows bases.  D Photoshop. Once Apple goes 64 bit, it will be on. People are hittingB the limits NOW with 32 bit systems when they are doing correctionsF from the better scanners. (Ah, thats scanning backs and drum scanners, not flatbeds.)     C But the real limit is not within the SW or HW. In a short while, an F increasing number of people will require `x86 compatible' to be 64 bit@ as well. Then the crunch will be really on, as intel try to sing1 the praises of `mostly pregnant' will the itanic.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:03:30 -0800 & From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>: Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium/ Message-ID: <v365so32i07u60@corp.supernews.com>    Paul Repacholi wrote:   7 > Well, the 500 lead Hammer systems sold out in 2 days.  > 8 > Merced sold 2 systems, from some reports, in 12 years.  6 I notice you were careful to say Merced, not McKinley.   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 06:26:56 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> " Subject: Re: automatic screensaver5 Message-ID: <3E31BDB1.149DDDA8@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > N > To my knowledge, there isn't a single SPX developer working for the company,M > and hasn't been for many long years - the code was writen something like 14  > years ago.  J   The SPXgt (PV61G-AA [66Hz] and PV71C-AA [72Hz]) is the only 24-bit colorK card for the VAX that I'm aware of and it didn't appear until 1992 with the  VAXstation 4000 series.   N > The logicals are handled by the DDX's, not the DIX.  Not all servers supportM > programatic changing of depth or visuals.  In fact I don't believe *any* of 6 > the VAX server DDX's support those specific logical.  .   Someone's gotta clean up that documentation.  5   Why is the string in the DIX and not the DDX exe's? * $ SEARCH SYS$LIBRARY:*DIX* "VISUAL_CLASS" 7   on an Alpha gives you a record with the logical while ) $ SEARCH SYS$LIBRARY:*DDX* "VISUAL_CLASS"    gives you nada. J   The DIX must interpret the logical and tell the DDXs what to do I guess?   L > The SPX-xx was supposed to be a 3D card, and so the developers wrote it toJ > use the 24-bit depth and TrueColor as the defaults.  Try something like:  I   I don't blame them.  I'd just like the ability to change the default to I Pseudocolor like it says in the docs, so I can use particular programs.     . > $def/sys/exec DECW$SCN_24PLANE_PSEUDOCOLOR 1  F   Thanks much, I'll try that.  I do see that string in the VAX DDX_GE G SERVER exe.  I hope using that means just the default visual is changed  and it's not the only visual.   K > This "should' get you the 8-bit pseudo color visual as the default (if my " > brain cells still are sparking).  K   If your brain cells stopped sparking it would be a loss for this group.      -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 04:29:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>P Subject: Re: copyright (was: RE: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains!)- Message-ID: <87r8b1x9ab.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:   , > Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  F > > Obviously, no.  (And in fact IDG has some surprisingly restrictive? > > rules there, where they prohibit "deep linking" - so you're E > > supposed to get permission from them to link to their articles at C > > all.  I haven't yet heard of a US court supporting that kind of = > > restriction, although a (um, Danish, I think) court did.)    
 > Correct.   F > A danish internet company made a business of creating a virtual newsE > service by collecting deep links to the web-sites of various danish  > news-papers.    > The news-papers sued and won.    E > Many people in Denmark think that the judges did not understand the  > nature of the internet.    	 > But ...     > Arne   B > PS: The service immediatetly moved to Singapore and continue its > service !   = I wonder how they would treat a library catalogue or `Current E Contents' or the like. Mind, I consider this is one of the few truely D `new' things taht the net/computers has made possible, as opposed to% the same old stuff in high-tech drag.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:07:03 -0500 0 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: DS10's Going Cheap ! / Message-ID: <v365v76kgn6s82@news.supernews.com>    DS10 466Mhz No license 512MB Memory 60GB IDE Disk VMS OK CDROM and Floppy Dual 10/100 Ethernet VX1 Graphics 32MB PCI  Keyboard and Mouse
 Power Cord   US$1795    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:26:52 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: dynamic DNS) Message-ID: <3E32F30C.5020200@vajhoej.dk>    Dirk Munk wrote: > Phillip Helbig wrote: $ >> As one can see from, for example,) >>    http://www.technopagan.org/dynamic/ I >> there are many dynamic-DNS providers out there.  Can anyone recommend  G >> one which is not only good in general but also easy to use from VMS?    > How about VMS itself ?   ????  > He has a changing IP address from his ISP and need to register. that to the same IP name each time it changes.  * Very common problem with xDSL connections.  3 Running DNS on his VMS box obviously does not solve 
 the problem !   9 And as he stated there are sites out there providing this  service.  , Problem is to find one that is VMS friendly.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 21:46:30 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: Re: dynamic DNS6 Message-ID: <20030125214630.24260.qmail@gacracker.org>  9 On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:  >Dirk Munk wrote:  >> Phillip Helbig wrote:% >>> As one can see from, for example, * >>>    http://www.technopagan.org/dynamic/J >>> there are many dynamic-DNS providers out there.  Can anyone recommend H >>> one which is not only good in general but also easy to use from VMS? >  >> How about VMS itself ?  >  >????  > ? >He has a changing IP address from his ISP and need to register / >that to the same IP name each time it changes.  > + >Very common problem with xDSL connections.  > 4 >Running DNS on his VMS box obviously does not solve >the problem ! > : >And as he stated there are sites out there providing this	 >service.  > - >Problem is to find one that is VMS friendly.   J None that I am aware of are VMS friendly, what matters is getting a clientK running. I use a Perl script for the cjb.net DDNS service. It works fine on I VMS, and would work equally well on any other platform you could get Perl E on. This is a simple client that runs periodically in batch basically  saying: H "Hi Mr DDNS here's my username/password. Now, see where I am? That's the$ address to point my domain name at."  H Other, more sophisticated, clients detect a change of the leased addressJ and then send an update. This can be significantly more difficult when youG are using a SOHO router or switch that handles the external address and ? machines are given fixed private addresses such as 192.168.x.x.      Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:16:05 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: dynamic DNS/ Message-ID: <3E32FE8F.722BFF37@vl.videotron.ca>   / > >Problem is to find one that is VMS friendly.   K The dynamic site I have seen all provide a simple method of interfacing. My M router has code in it that does automaticupdates to dyndns if I want to, or I K could just setup my vax with a kermit script to send an http request to the S dyndns server with the proper information. It is documented in the dyndns web site.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:35:35 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: dynamic DNS0 Message-ID: <00A1A831.67B17EF4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <20030125214630.24260.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: : >On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote: >>Dirk Munk wrote: >>> Phillip Helbig wrote: & >>>> As one can see from, for example,+ >>>>    http://www.technopagan.org/dynamic/ K >>>> there are many dynamic-DNS providers out there.  Can anyone recommend  I >>>> one which is not only good in general but also easy to use from VMS?  >> >>> How about VMS itself ? >> >>???? >>@ >>He has a changing IP address from his ISP and need to register0 >>that to the same IP name each time it changes. >>, >>Very common problem with xDSL connections. >>5 >>Running DNS on his VMS box obviously does not solve  >>the problem !  >>; >>And as he stated there are sites out there providing this 
 >>service. >>. >>Problem is to find one that is VMS friendly. > K >None that I am aware of are VMS friendly, what matters is getting a client L >running. I use a Perl script for the cjb.net DDNS service. It works fine onJ >VMS, and would work equally well on any other platform you could get PerlF >on. This is a simple client that runs periodically in batch basically >saying:I >"Hi Mr DDNS here's my username/password. Now, see where I am? That's the % >address to point my domain name at."  > I >Other, more sophisticated, clients detect a change of the leased address K >and then send an update. This can be significantly more difficult when you H >are using a SOHO router or switch that handles the external address and@ >machines are given fixed private addresses such as 192.168.x.x.  I But that problem would plague *any* OS running behind such a router.  I'd H look into finding a SOHO router that is SNMP capable and then look for aH SNMP-Trap acknowledging a change in the assigned IP.  This RULES OUT the popular Linksys routers.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 02:25:08 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>1 Subject: Re: Embedding a secret key in executable - Message-ID: <87lm19ytmj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   2 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:   > Brian Tillman wrote:  E > > Goal: never use software with embedded keys.  Alwasy use software  > > that recognizes LMF    C > This isn't for licensing. It is for the ability to decode certain  > fields in an indexed file.  E So use one of the LMF fields for you `key'. Or use LMF to turn on the  extra magik fun stuff...  D /. had a pointer to a article by Walt Diffie I think you should read before you go much further.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 01:43:58 GMT ( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>; Subject: Re: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains! - Message-ID: <y3HY9.35412$rM2.30592@rwcrnsc53>   5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0301230543.2c852209@posting.google.com...   C > once you post "publically", that article can be linked to, quoted D > and read for discussion, it can not be linked to from a commercialB > site that "you" own, nor can you claim it as your own ... if you? > don't want it referenced, then don't post it in a free public  > forum ... that's the law ...  F Please cite the applicable statutes that support your "that's the law"
 assertion.   ML  G P.S. I don't expect a reply, because you can't comply with the request.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 02:40:20 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: EV7, ES47 question - Message-ID: <87d6mlysx7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   > Yes, a real tech question... perhaps I should have added an OT to the subject...    However:  @ I was reading the tech details on the hp web site and have a few questions.    C For the ES47 and 80 it seems to be saying that only the N and S IPL D ports are used, and the E and W ports are not used. Is this correct? Why??   C Can you have 2 IO7s per CPU pair. (we need a word for there things. " Plate? Slice? like a SW Brick :) )  F You can have 0 or more IO7s per CPUthing, but if you have IO, you mustD have memory on it as well. A 0MB CPU pair is OK as long as it has no IO7s on it.   A What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...)   G When can we order our "All your Fans are belonging to us." teeshirts :)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 17:24:51 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question 3 Message-ID: <+s$RXrTUvLec@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <87d6mlysx7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  E > For the ES47 and 80 it seems to be saying that only the N and S IPL F > ports are used, and the E and W ports are not used. Is this correct? > Why??   C Because that is the way it is wired.  That is enough if you are not  going to have more than 8 CPUs.   E > Can you have 2 IO7s per CPU pair. (we need a word for there things. $ > Plate? Slice? like a SW Brick :) )  L From the chip standpoint yes; I am not sure if all cabinetry options support it.   H > You can have 0 or more IO7s per CPUthing, but if you have IO, you mustF > have memory on it as well. A 0MB CPU pair is OK as long as it has no
 > IO7s on it.  > C > What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...)   5 I believe there are a couple of alternate IO shelves.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:26:00 -0500 3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> ! Subject: FA: Cheap LPS20 Drum Kit 3 Message-ID: <38CY9.3684$2W.2843@news.bellsouth.net>   L http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16190&item=2304184074   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 05:15:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Firesafes Was: How to Backup OSX 0 Message-ID: <87iswdx75i.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  6 Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:   > Mike Rosenberg wrote:    H > > Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote:   E > > > |>Now burn down the building. Tell me when you get the data off  > > > |>your IDE raid.  E > > > And tell me when you get the data off your DLT-Library if there  > > > is fire in that room.    D > > If you keep the backups in the same room as the computer, you'reC > > out of luck, of course, but if you're serious about backing up, ; > > you always have at least one backup set stored offsite.       E > A firesafe is also a good thing to have to store your onsite tapes.   C However, PLEASE don't think that if you put it in a fire safe, they  are safe...   D This is easy to fix though. Grab a tape, and head down to your localA supermarket. Look in the kitchenware section for some rectangular B storage canisters the right size for you tapes. Yes, this may mean@ getting different one. Also get different coloured lids for eachF day/system whatever. You want each one to hold a full set of tapes forD each backup. So the oper takes out a canister, opens it and uses the@ tapes to do a backup. The tapes go back in, and it is sealed and replaced in the safe.     
 OK, why...  C When you do have a fire, the safe interior WILL heat up. Not a lot, E but some. Then it will cool, and start sucking in a wonderfull mix of ; water vapour, HCN, HCl, and more crap than we want to think @ about. This will promptly condense out on anthing cool. Like theE contents of your safe. :( DATs do not like this. Does not do DLTs any  good either!  E So go and get a nice airtight container, and not have an `interesting  time' at you recovery site.   # This is what you do NOT want to see ! http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/colless    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:04:14 -0500 % From: "Mark Awad" <mawad@charter.net>  Subject: ftp does not respond / Message-ID: <v33vpe26it6q1a@corp.supernews.com>    Hello,  K I am a little new to VMS Systems Management, but very good with UNIX boxes,  I hope someone can help.  J I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with TCPIP v5.1.   B Here is the problem:  I can ftp from the OpenVMS System to itself.L However, when I ftp from another system, either from a UNIX box or a WindowsD client, the OpenVMS ftp service never responds back for Username andG Passoword.  The connection is active, and eventually just times out.  I H tested the ftp port. It is active and listenening.  The system is on theL network, i.e. pings fine.  We can telnet to the OpenVMS, fine. just not ftp.   Any suggestions.  Thanks	 Mark Awad    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:44:56 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: ftp does not respond ' Message-ID: <3E320838.E5956A7C@fsi.net>    Mark Awad wrote: >  > Hello, > M > I am a little new to VMS Systems Management, but very good with UNIX boxes,  > I hope someone can help. > L > I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with TCPIP > v5.1.  > D > Here is the problem:  I can ftp from the OpenVMS System to itself.N > However, when I ftp from another system, either from a UNIX box or a WindowsF > client, the OpenVMS ftp service never responds back for Username andI > Passoword.  The connection is active, and eventually just times out.  I J > tested the ftp port. It is active and listenening.  The system is on theN > network, i.e. pings fine.  We can telnet to the OpenVMS, fine. just not ftp.   We'll need to know:    o O.S. version= o Vendor, name and version of the TCP/IP stack you're running    Name (Vendor) Possibilities:+   - TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (Compaq/HP)    - TCPware (Process Software)   - Multinet (Process Software)    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 01:59:32 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> ! Subject: Re: ftp does not respond 2 Message-ID: <3E334085.3DB02D01@firstdbasource.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Mark Awad wrote: > > 
 > > Hello, > > O > > I am a little new to VMS Systems Management, but very good with UNIX boxes,  > > I hope someone can help. > > N > > I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with TCPIP	 > > v5.1.  > > F > > Here is the problem:  I can ftp from the OpenVMS System to itself.P > > However, when I ftp from another system, either from a UNIX box or a WindowsH > > client, the OpenVMS ftp service never responds back for Username andK > > Passoword.  The connection is active, and eventually just times out.  I L > > tested the ftp port. It is active and listenening.  The system is on theP > > network, i.e. pings fine.  We can telnet to the OpenVMS, fine. just not ftp. >  > We'll need to know:  >  > o O.S. version? > o Vendor, name and version of the TCP/IP stack you're running   >   Name (Vendor) Possibilities:- >   - TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (Compaq/HP)   >   - TCPware (Process Software)! >   - Multinet (Process Software)  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    Well David, he did say: E "I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with  TCPIP v5.1."  F I had  that problem too until I made sure the DNS was working properly0 and/or there was an entry for the host in TCPIP.  5 Give us the output of "$TCPIP SHOW SERVICE FTP /FULL"         --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:20:55 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: ftp does not respond ' Message-ID: <3E334607.CCB3C566@fsi.net>    Michael Austin wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >  > > Mark Awad wrote: > > >  > > > Hello, > > > Q > > > I am a little new to VMS Systems Management, but very good with UNIX boxes,  > > > I hope someone can help. > > > P > > > I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with TCPIP > > > v5.1.  > > > H > > > Here is the problem:  I can ftp from the OpenVMS System to itself.R > > > However, when I ftp from another system, either from a UNIX box or a WindowsJ > > > client, the OpenVMS ftp service never responds back for Username andM > > > Passoword.  The connection is active, and eventually just times out.  I N > > > tested the ftp port. It is active and listenening.  The system is on theR > > > network, i.e. pings fine.  We can telnet to the OpenVMS, fine. just not ftp. > >  > > We'll need to know:  > >  > > o O.S. versionA > > o Vendor, name and version of the TCP/IP stack you're running " > >   Name (Vendor) Possibilities:/ > >   - TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (Compaq/HP) " > >   - TCPware (Process Software)# > >   - Multinet (Process Software)  > >  > > -- > > David J. Dachtera  > > dba DJE Systems  > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > , > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >  > Well David, he did say: G > "I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with  > TCPIP v5.1."  2 Sorry - didn't scroll back far enough to see that.  H > I had  that problem too until I made sure the DNS was working properly2 > and/or there was an entry for the host in TCPIP.  D I'd vote for getting the resolver working right first, myself. YMMV.A Host table tends to be a bit of a band-aid for a broken DNS, IMO.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:18:39 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?) Message-ID: <3E32F11F.7020105@vajhoej.dk>    John Smith wrote: ? > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message + > news:3E3213F0.F4BA586B@vl.videotron.ca...  >>John Smith wrote: E >>>I've come across an opportunity that needs to be able to handle at > >>>least this many page hits in an 8 hour window as DHTML page >>>requests   D >>What do you mean by DHTML ? HTML that is dynamicallty generated by >>the server  B >>                                                         or just1 >>"dhtml" code (aka: javascript and style sheets)    > Server-side.  = Usually the term DHTML is used for client side dynamic pages.   ; 1-2 million hits of server-side-scripts is very heavy load.   = Let us say 2 million hits a day, 50% static HTML + 50% server  side scripts, 8 hour window.  . That is 35 script calls per second in average.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:22:20 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?) Message-ID: <3E32F1FC.9080902@vajhoej.dk>    Doc.Cypher wrote: G > Many supposedly dynamic pages - or large sections thereof - should be  > cacheable by the server.   Not if they are true dynamic.   N >                           Look at the directives available on your choice ofK > server software and see if you can make use of them to help keep the load  > down.  > I > You can also take this into account when splitting dynamic content into J > separate files. For example, with WASD dynamic content is a .shtml file.  6 Even though it is true that SSI is dynamic, then it is very limited in functionality,  7 True dynamic pages usually require some more. Like CGI,  PHP, ASP or JSP/Servlets.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:35:14 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?/ Message-ID: <3E3213F0.F4BA586B@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote: D > I've come across an opportunity that needs to be able to handle atF > least this many page hits in an 8 hour window as DHTML page requestsC > via SSL. Of course it would have to be load balanced and failover 
 > capable.  M What do you mean by DHTML ? HTML that is dynamicallty generated by the server M (database requests with values inserted in a HTML form for instance), or just H "dhtml" code (aka: javascript and style sheets) which gets worked by the client ?  K This makes a huge difference since responses generated by an application on S the server are not caches by the web server and thus carry a much greater overhead.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:13:41 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?/ Message-ID: <3E32FDFF.A5B97F47@vl.videotron.ca>o   Arne Vajhj wrote:0 > That is 35 script calls per second in average.  J Or 35 seconds per script call, if you run on an all mighty Microvax II ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:18:19 -0000!* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?5 Message-ID: <b0v9tl$u7i2h$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message# news:3E32F11F.7020105@vajhoej.dk...n > John Smith wrote:mA > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messaget- > > news:3E3213F0.F4BA586B@vl.videotron.ca...e > >>John Smith wrote: G > >>>I've come across an opportunity that needs to be able to handle ate@ > >>>least this many page hits in an 8 hour window as DHTML page
 > >>>requestst >tF > >>What do you mean by DHTML ? HTML that is dynamicallty generated by > >>the server > D > >>                                                         or just3 > >>"dhtml" code (aka: javascript and style sheets)i >i > > Server-side. >s? > Usually the term DHTML is used for client side dynamic pages.  > = > 1-2 million hits of server-side-scripts is very heavy load.  > ? > Let us say 2 million hits a day, 50% static HTML + 50% servern > side scripts, 8 hour window. >t0 > That is 35 script calls per second in average. >o > Arne >e  K If I remember correctly, someone I was talking to a few months ago wrote an J Apache module that created a pool of re-usable processes to serve scripts,I and with this the number of script calls they could take went from 40 perS second to 400+.   B I could ask if the module could be released in some form or other.     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire http://www.travell.uk.net/       ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:45:39 +1030t/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>h* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?, Message-ID: <3e3344c5_4@news.chariot.net.au>   John Travell wrote:r2 > "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message% > news:3E32F11F.7020105@vajhoej.dk...p
 8< snip 8<= >>1-2 million hits of server-side-scripts is very heavy load.. >>? >>Let us say 2 million hits a day, 50% static HTML + 50% servern >>side scripts, 8 hour window. >>0 >>That is 35 script calls per second in average. >> >>Arne  F This is not necessarily astonomical or unattainable, depending on the I platform and a swag of other rubbery factors which are going unspecified e in this general discussion.:  M > If I remember correctly, someone I was talking to a few months ago wrote an L > Apache module that created a pool of re-usable processes to serve scripts,K > and with this the number of script calls they could take went from 40 perf > second to 400+.   G Now there are scripts and there are scripts.  As pointed out elsewhere pA in this thread there are a number of engines that are considered pI 'scripting', PHP, Perl, etc.  To that we can add executables and for VMS JD DCL.  Generally scripting implies that some external file is either H invoked (as might be an executable) or interpreted (as might PHP be) in C   a process external to the main HTTP server (external but usually rD closely tied to), as with Apache's pool of server processes, or the G equally common approach of using 'disposable' processes with CGI.  The rF latter is generally relatively low cost and the latter very expensive 0 (even ignoring VMS' high-cost process creation).  G In this context of John's comments the 'reusable processes' implies ad  G hoc (perhaps CGI) scripting, as Apache already has a pool of processes s; with dynamically loaded modules for specific functionality.   I If this is the case even 40 seems high for Apache!  Unless we're talking c? Marvel and VMS T8.n with a native Goldenberg fork() 400+ seems iI incredibly high (incredible as in 'cannot believe').  Of course there is  D scripting and there is scripting - and 'that' is not specified here.  
 8< snip 8< > John Travell" > VMS crashdump expertise for hire > http://www.travell.uk.net/
 8< snip 8<  F Here are some figures I have generated, WASD with OSU and CSWS.  Just I rule-of-thumb.  It uses CGI to run a native VMS executable (it basically hH tries to measure how efficient the scripting 'interface' is, minimising . the effect of actually generating the output).  C For scripting Apache is well behind the other common VMS offerings.t  ;    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/htd/htd_2000.html#367t  I The measurement environment is described in the main document along with tF file transfer figures as well.  (Of course, as with all measurements, A they basically only 'discover' whatever the measurer sets out to i demonstrate ;^)e  7    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/htd/htd_2000.htmls  I Now WASD uses a pool of reusable processes to perform it's CGI and other t& persistent scripting (PHP, Perl, etc.)  F    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/scripting/scripting_0100.html#16  C The measurements indicate maintaining this pool is well-worthwhile.s  H It also allows the CGI interface to be used for user-written persistent I scripts (those that do not run down with each request).  WASD calls this n CGIplus.  C    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/scripting/scripting_0300.htmla  A As the above measurements indicate, using this sort of scripting eG technology produces absolutely remarkable increase in throughput and a fI concomitant reduction in scripting response latency and processing cost. kB   Indeed they show an approximate tenfold increase in throughput, C supporting the sort of inprovement suggested by John Travell.  I'd tI suggest it was this sort of interface that produced his reported figures s> (even though I still have a problem with the absolute values).  H I think one of the conclusions that may be drawn from these comments is D that if you have anything other than a casual Web site then you are G probably going to have to use some very specific technology to support  H high demand placed on that site.  This includes such things are writing A your own Apache module(s) for site-specific functionality, using tE something like WASD's CGIplus, OSU's HPSS, OpenMarket's FastCGI, etc.l  F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 21:02:44 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?6 Message-ID: <20030125210244.23048.qmail@gacracker.org>  9 On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:a> >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message* >news:3E3213F0.F4BA586B@vl.videotron.ca... >> John Smith wrote:G >> > I've come across an opportunity that needs to be able to handle at @ >> > least this many page hits in an 8 hour window as DHTML page	 >requests-F >> > via SSL. Of course it would have to be load balanced and failover
 >> > capable.C >>E >> What do you mean by DHTML ? HTML that is dynamicallty generated byt >the servere= >> (database requests with values inserted in a HTML form fore >instance), or justeG >> "dhtml" code (aka: javascript and style sheets) which gets worked by  >the >> client ?  >>? >> This makes a huge difference since responses generated by anP >application onsD >> the server are not caches by the web server and thus carry a much >greater overhead. >tC >Server-side. You raise an interesting point....I'll have to do the F >math on all the different possible 'requests' to get a better idea ofG >just what can be cached. It may be possible to pre-build many commonlyX# >requested 'pages' and cache those.   E Many supposedly dynamic pages - or large sections thereof - should betK cacheable by the server. Look at the directives available on your choice of I server software and see if you can make use of them to help keep the loadY down."  G You can also take this into account when splitting dynamic content intodK separate files. For example, with WASD dynamic content is a .shtml file. IncH that I can ask for other files to be included to create the page sent toF the user. That means that I could have one large .shtml file where theI majority of the content is fixed, but you incur an overhead as the server K parses it, or you have a number of small files with the static content thatP  can be included without parsing.   Example 1 - Bad format...h   File: Example.shtmlX  5 <!--#include virtual="/generate/html-header.shtml"-->l <HTML> <BODY>5 <!--#include virtual="/generate/page-header.shtml"-->  blah blah blah  ... ... ... blah blah blah5 <!--#include virtual="/generate/page-footer.shtml"-->  </BODY>r </HTML>   7 Example 2 - Better format (constructed more quickly)...-  5 <!--#include virtual="/generate/html-header.shtml"-->a <HTML> <BODY>5 <!--#include virtual="/generate/page-header.shtml"-->.) <!--#include virtual="fixed-body.html"-->h5 <!--#include virtual="/generate/page-footer.shtml"-->  </BODY>a </HTML>p  J If the "blah blah" bit in the first example is large, page generation willK be slow. Put it in a separate file (fixed-body.html) and generation will beuI significantly faster. It may even be possible for the server to cache the C fixed section in memory and get even faster throughput if this is ai frequently requested page.     Doc. -- r: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neti   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:50:12 -0400l0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: How to get Digital printer parts / Message-ID: <3E3368FE.4234EF6B@vl.videotron.ca>k  N I just (potentially) lost one million dollars tonight. I was about to print myL lottery ticket when the printer exhbited a "50 Error" which means the fusingN element is shot, missing the window for me to run to the conveneience store to- but the lottery ticket (and a chocolate bar).e  > Took the printer apart, and the heating element seems burned.   & (This is the Declaser 5100, aka LN09.)    M Where should I go for the parts ? Does anyone have a status of integration of L Digital/Compaq/HP in Canada in terms of serl-maintenance/service ? If I callL HP's general number in my city, should I expect to be able to get an answer,B or will it take over a week of telephone tag to find out where the parts/service is now located ?  M Has anyone had experience replacing this ? Can on just get the element, or is-+ the whole module requiring to be replaced ?   L Are there alternate sources for this part ? (Ironic that it is roughly an HP printer with Digital branding).e   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 21:09:48 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>8 Subject: Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium!6 Message-ID: <20030125210948.23190.qmail@gacracker.org>  : On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> wrote:% >"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:m >DD >> If they made EV8x based systems, they'd be making Alphas until at >> least 2015. >>H >> If they marketed VMS, they be selling it until the VMS internal clock/ >> routines could no longer function correctly.r >u >[start quote] >e@ >This base time of Nov. 17, 1858 has since been used by TOPS-10,A >TOPS-20, and VAX VMS and OpenVMS.  Given this base date, the 100aA >nanosecond granularity implemented within OpenVMS and the 63-bit C >absolute time representation (the sign bit must be clear), OpenVMSo( >should have no trouble with time until: >o >     31-JUL-31086 02:48:05.47 > E >At this time, all clocks and time-keeping operations in OpenVMS will.2 >suddenly stop, as system time values go negative. >eG >Note that the OpenVMS time display and manipulation routines allow forrF >only 4 digits in the 'YEAR' field.  We expect this to be corrected in; >a future release of OpenVMS sometime prior to 31-DEC-9999.  >n >[end quote] >,F >No, I don't remember the source of this one, but it must have been an  >"official" document from DEC/Q.  A The oldest comp.os.vms reference to this I can find is from 1998,h  [ <URL:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=80256641.0050D2B5.00@QEDILH01.QEDI.Quintiles.COM>   @ There it is cited as being in a technical review on 16-APR-1998.     Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 02:32:08 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium!- Message-ID: <87hebxytav.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  F > Actually, I don't think HP has said that.  If anyone has seen such a# > statement, please post a pointer.i  oI > HP HAS said that they WILL make new alpha systems until AT LEAST 2006. r6 > Every statement I have seen includes the "at least".  a; And COE requires system availability through till when? Bitw after 2006 I think...m   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:44:29 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>8 Subject: Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium!/ Message-ID: <3E32161A.4A34EAA4@vl.videotron.ca>f   Bob Ceculski wrote:r > - > it's almost time for a new dawn for vms ...F > A > http://www.sap.info/en/news.php4?OID=Article-214973e2fc0a0e2e11   & What good do you see in this article ?  & The only new tidbit of information is: ##; HP has said it would stop making new Alpha systems by 2006.s ##  L Of course, perhaps due to the editor of the article, this comes out sounding+ just like Scott Stallard's memo of May 7th:  ##M Scott Stallard, vice president, HP Business Critical Systems, said as part of-L the company's customer's adaptive infrastructure, HP believes Tru64 Unix andN Open VMS environments are critical in meeting customers needs for the next two to four years. ##   Another interesting one: ##U By 2005, Stallard said a version of OpenVMS will be available on Itanium as a producte ##  L Does this mean that HP doesn't intend to productize IA64-VMS until 2005 ?  IE though VMS was to become available commercially in 2004. Has this nowg officially slipped to 2005 ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:10:20 -0500i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)8 Subject: Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium!L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2501030910200001@user-2ive2dt.dialup.mindspring.com>  8 In article <3E32161A.4A34EAA4@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   >Bob Ceculski wrote: >> e. >> it's almost time for a new dawn for vms ... >> dB >> http://www.sap.info/en/news.php4?OID=Article-214973e2fc0a0e2e11 >s' >What good do you see in this article ?N > ' >The only new tidbit of information is:  >##r< >HP has said it would stop making new Alpha systems by 2006.  D Actually, I don't think HP has said that.  If anyone has seen such a! statement, please post a pointer.e  G HP HAS said that they WILL make new alpha systems until AT LEAST 2006. l4 Every statement I have seen includes the "at least".  C The cited article is clearly a very sloppy piece of work.  It mixes.I "Stallard says" snippets with "writer surmises" bits in a very misleadingdJ way.  The headline "HP Announces OpenVMS Port", dated January 23, 2003, isE nonsense.  HP announced the start of the porting effort long ago, anda1 hasn't announced any additional porting recently.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:48:50 GMTg# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t8 Subject: Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium!K Message-ID: <mtxY9.453978$F2h1.413771@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageoF news:rdeininger-2501030910200001@user-2ive2dt.dialup.mindspring.com... >sB > HP HAS said that they WILL make new alpha systems until AT LEAST 2006.-6 > Every statement I have seen includes the "at least". ><  A If they made EV8x based systems, they'd be making Alphas until ata least 2015.-  E If they marketed VMS, they be selling it until the VMS internal clockd, routines could no longer function correctly.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:10:43 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)9 Subject: Re: Interrupt stack with EMC fibre channel diskss4 Message-ID: <DotY9.207406$TY.1947258@news.chello.at>  q In article <cf15391e.0301231431.29e5cc53@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:t^ >"Kenneth" <yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<b0i68h$cmj1@rain.i-cable.com>...M >> I am using VMS 7.2-1 with the EMC fibre channel disks, the interrupt stackaK >> for CPU-0 may go up as high as 50% of the CPU. Is there any relationship.7 >> between them and is there any way I can minimise it.o > @ >You won't know for sure if there's a relationship without doingG >something like DECps PC Sampling and seeing what VMS modules are being,0 >executed in interrupt state on the Primary CPU. >vB >Other things that use Primary CPU time include TQE processing and> >interrupts from non-Fast_Path devices including LAN adapters.  H I miss also the suggestion to upgrade [Open]VMS to V7.3-1 as there a lotF of improvements for performance and fibrechannel technology contained.   -- c Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistl E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 02:12:40 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Marvel Performancet- Message-ID: <87ptqlyu7b.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  & Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:  : > Picture: Winged pig flying over Battersea power station.  = I am sure there is some significance in the `Battersea' part,e> but entropy seems to have won :( Could you fill in the missing part?s   tnxc --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 22:03:43 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)7 Subject: Re: Marvel PerformanceO3 Message-ID: <Dc429lt6SwJe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <87ptqlyu7b.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:( > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: > ; >> Picture: Winged pig flying over Battersea power station.p > ? > I am sure there is some significance in the `Battersea' part,0@ > but entropy seems to have won :( Could you fill in the missing > part?  >   A http://support.uni-oldenburg.de/~floyd/english/appendix/pigs.htmlt  S The first pig was designed by E.R.G. Amsterdam in December 1976 for the Album Cover P of Animals. This pig was photographed in front of the Battersea Power Station in London.2  D http://support.uni-oldenburg.de/~floyd/english/appendix/batters.html  S Battersea Power Station was designed in 1930 by Sir Giles Gilbert Scott and J. TheoeR Halliday. The first two chimneys (Battersea A) were completed in 1939. By 1955 theS third and fourth chimneys (Battersea B) were completed making the Power Station the ! largest brick building in Europe.   Q On the 31st October 1983 the Power Station was closed and the Central ElectricityuN Generating Board launched a competition to find a future use for the building.  Q Plans for a disneyland style theme park costing 34 million pounds were announced. L However, costs quickly escalated and the Alton Group, ran out of funds. WorkP stopped in March 1989 leaving the Power Station in its present semi-derelict andL exposed state. Since then, it has languished without a roof, it's steel work? exposed to the elements and it's foundations prone to flooding.h  S According to a report by English Heritage, the building is still in a serious state-
 of disrepair.-    -P Battersea Power Station Community Group was formed in November 1983 to provide aO forum for the local community to air its views during the competition to find a4/ future use for the Power Station and it's site.e  N The canadian-based company Cirque du Soleil will turn the power station into aS 2000-seat entertainment complex, featuring a permantent home for its presentations.>R The plans which include two hotels and a cinema will cost about 500 million pounds> ($730 million) and they will start working the middle of 2001.   	"Official" site:e  % http://www.batterseapowerstation.com/n   				Robh   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:28:19 GMTg- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)o7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?f& Message-ID: <H9AMJ8.B8C@world.std.com>  / In article <3E22ECEF.32D5E864@vl.videotron.ca>, 2 JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: > MikeR wrote:   > > > OpenVMS 5.x, 6.x, 7.x. > 
 > for vax:M > I would think that 5.5-2 and 7.2 would be the most common. Anyone who movediP > beyond 5.5-2 would have been likely to continue to move at least until 7.2 (orO > 7.2-1) in MY opinion. 7.3 removes functionality, so I suspect 7.2 will becomei > the new "5.5-2" landing spot.o  4 What functionality does 7.3 remove from 7.2 for VAX?   -brian.s -- eF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:18:55 GMTe- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)o7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?p& Message-ID: <H9AovJ.FE7@world.std.com>  & In article <H9AMJ8.B8C@world.std.com>,. Brian 'Jarai' Chase <bdc@world.std.com> wrote:  6 > What functionality does 7.3 remove from 7.2 for VAX?  ' Nevermind.  I missed the later replies.a   -brian.  -- HF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.f   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 18:59:07 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h7 Subject: Re: Most common OpenVMS versions in use today?s3 Message-ID: <v49rf1lXwQG7@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  V In article <H9AMJ8.B8C@world.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes:1 > In article <3E22ECEF.32D5E864@vl.videotron.ca>, 4 > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: >> MikeR wrote:p >  >> > > OpenVMS 5.x, 6.x, 7.x.d >> a >> for vax:WN >> I would think that 5.5-2 and 7.2 would be the most common. Anyone who movedQ >> beyond 5.5-2 would have been likely to continue to move at least until 7.2 (or2P >> 7.2-1) in MY opinion. 7.3 removes functionality, so I suspect 7.2 will become  >> the new "5.5-2" landing spot. > 6 > What functionality does 7.3 remove from 7.2 for VAX?  = Display Postscript, and thereby the DOCUMENT/GRAPHICS editor.e   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jan 2003 20:21:57 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones):+ Subject: Re: Motif and SYS$QIO / AST in VMS.: Message-ID: <b0url5$mli$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  8 In message <atk53vkjsai8drehbd8p2fggio454lt2n8@4ax.com>,/   John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:nD >Close - it's XtAppAddInput.  The VMS event flag is specified as theJ >"source", and when this is set, X will call the specifed callback routineI >with an optional argument, xactly like a normal user-triggered callback.nH >Typically you would have the callback routine carry out whatever window0 >updates are necessary and clear the event flag.  M I seem to recall that 1 gotcha with the routine is that the event flag has to0E be in the same cluster (0) that xlib is using for its internal flags.lL Using lib$get_ef to allocate an event flag returns one from the wrong range.    < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 03:11:11 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: Motif and SYS$QIO / AST in VMS - Message-ID: <87znppxcxc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  1 stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au (Stuart Norris) writes:   C > Once the user pushes the motif button in the call back I issues a C > SYS$QIO with wrtvblk to the channel with an AST for completion of E > the write.  In the completion of the write I issues another SYS$QIO)F > with readvlbk to the channel with an AST for completion of the read.E > In the completion AST I change the value of a label in the Motif toP> > show that the value has been read back.  But the label neverF > updates.  I can see in the debugger that the label is being changed.  B I'll pass on the Motif side... Consider doing a `read with prompt'? QIO, putting the write string in the prompt. This will stop ande? nasty race conditions screwing with your read/write sequencing. 4 This is the prefered way when fighting serial ports.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.i@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:43:27 GMTv. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: MX mail impressions4 Message-ID: <jTtY9.207660$TY.1947547@news.chello.at>  T In article <3E316621.5F053210@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:E >Forming the mailhub of several hundred users, probably in the 1 or 2 H >thousand range (dunno I don't administer, but I know what they have and  >do), and it's pretty effective.    I second that (and already did).  @ >You can trial it for 30 days, but you need to manually teach itG >rejection rules, I've not seen any online examples anywhere. The place:0 >I'm referring to does have a rejection based on >e >Subject: *         *  > I >No valid email will have 10 empty spaces in there, surely, yet main spama >mailers have them.n  2 I do have such a rule, too. And about 500 more ;-)K (Ok, that would be too restrictive for umpteenthousand users but is perfectWE for my family and me). But the best bet is RBL and entering all lists      RBL domains to check:9     BLACKHOLES.ORDB.ORG.     DIALUP.ORDB.ORGU     RELAYS.ORDB.ORG-     BL.SPAMCOP.NET     LIST.DSBL.ORG2     MULTIHOP.DSBL.ORG0  J Again: too restrictive for umpteenthousand users but perfect for my family  H >                         There is a dedicated newsgroup vmsnet.mail.mx   G which is gatewayed to a mailing list and another mailing list for users F which bought MX (after it became commercial with V5 and Anti-SPAM) and therefor get support.X   I can and do recommend MXe   -- l Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERd% Network and OpenVMS system specialistV E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:06:27 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: MX mail impressions4 Message-ID: <DktY9.207371$TY.1935114@news.chello.at>  d In article <JQYX9.244762$C8.816157@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes:H >Looking at making 1 of our Alpha/VMS 7.3-1 servers as our internet MAIL8 >server.  We currently use it now for our internal mail.   SMTP only, or IMAP4/POP3 also ?   J >HP TCPIP 5.3 ECO1 just does not have enough under the hood to do complete >configuration.l> >IE: SMTP authorizations, replay checks, filtering rules, etc.  / What is "replay checks" ? Do you mean "relay" ?c  M >Was wondering if anyone is now using MX 5.3 with these features and how welltB >is it running and approx how many users are being served by this?  J I had a MX (many versions up to V5.3) server running for over 3000 personsJ without a hitch. Only problem was missing features like MAPI (the protocolL of Outlook/Exchange) and Calendar - and of course the political problem thatK OpenVMS has to be phased out because of the owner of said operating system.e  J You can have MAPI on OpenVMS with Office Server (aka ALL-IN-1) but I neverJ tried it, and A1 is said to be dead because of the decision to not port it
 to ITANIC.  M We ran TCPware's IMAP4 and the freeware IUPOP3 mostly for historical reasons. H If I had found a good IMAP4 freeware in time, we would had run them justK to keep TCP/IP stack independent (we ran UCX/TCPIP and TCPware mixed in the J cluster and we sometimes switched the stack to nail down IP problems - andK there were a lot of them over the years, most of them in UCX/TCPIP but someSF also in TCPware - so we had to find out how to reduce config work when> switching stacks [and DCPS was THE solution for the printers])  F The next step was then to use an Exchange server internal to house theF mailboxes and calendars and to use MX then only for SMTP. Incoming and	 outgoing.t  B Features like RBL and REJMAN require MX to be running as the firstG SMTP server to the mails coming from the internet. And this worked very J well, until security weenies requested to use the firewall as a mailserverI (and this one wasn't even able to understand a EHLO !!). And this was the J end of Anti-SPAM (until a project was started to select a mailserver whichH was able to do Anti-SPAM again - replacing the firewall for SMTP again -H and this server software alone was about twice the costs of keeping VMS) and later the end of VMS there.e  H NOTE: It was not EXCHANGE, though M$ and a lot of M$ fans wanted to, but< could not deliver this functionality, even some years later.    K So my suggestion is, good idea, keep on your way, doing mail with [Open]VMS    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERh% Network and OpenVMS system specialists E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:26:45 GMTe- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)a# Subject: Re: Network install of VMSl& Message-ID: <H9Ap8L.Hyo@world.std.com>  / In article <3E230FFE.364FFC91@vl.videotron.ca>, 2 JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: > GreyCloud wrote:  @ > > What I'm up against is acquiring a low cost scsi CD drive to; > > plug into the rear scsi port.  If that can be done then ) > > upgrading won't be a problem anymore., > L > I took a cd drive from my mac to temporarily connect it to my 3100 (inside* > with that extra ribbon cable connector). > M > You may wish to look at computer supply places (datapro, black box etc) forcI > the adaptor cable from the vax plug to the 50 min standard scsi (older)a# > connectors that most cd roms use.p  F The VAXstation 4000 VLC has a standard 50-pin centronics connector on E the back of it.  It's not like the oddball, non-standard SCSI pinout,cF 68-pin male connectors on the back of the VAXstation 3100s.  It'll be D a no-brainer to find a way to connect an external SCSI device to it.   -brian.h --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.a   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 04:48:09 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: NIST Servers and ACTS- Message-ID: <87n0lpx8fq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   7 "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk> writes:3  ? > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message5+ > news:3E2EF882.D3A6C79A@vl.videotron.ca...  > > Paul Repacholi wrote:   @ > > > Is it UTC or GPS time? This will not be a issue for 99% of > > > units.  D > > It was confirmed to me that recent GPS all provide UTC time. TheA > > correction between UTC and GPS is provided as part of the GPSv > > signals.  C I found if I force my Ashtech to do a full re-calibration, it showss? GPS time for 10 min or so. Probably 12 min, till it gets a full D ephemeris downloaded. What I need to check is if the time stamps areE output while it is running on GPS. It is `well behaved' in that there ; is no 1PPS signal until it has synced up and has an acurateaF time. Also, if it loses lock, the 1PPS signal and the time stamp stop.  D > > (for those who do not know: UTC has some leap seconds added hereC > > and there.  GPS doesn't, so over the years, the two are growing  > > apart).    E > slightly related naive question: I recall Pres. Clinton (?) a whileh= > back made some statement about getting rid of GPS selectivesE > availability? Was there, or is there, an equivalent value reductiondC > for GPS time? In current or unforeseen circumstances is there any,F > way in which the GPS system might get disabled, while NTP carries onF > just fine? Hint: this was reportedly enough of a concern a couple ofF > years back for European authorities to look at alternative satellite1 > systems. Don't know whether anything came of its  D Yes, SA is gone for good, as it is of no use in the face of good GPSE units with GLONASS and maybe Galelleo as well. Also, GPS is now being = certified for Aircraft use, including in the future precision C approach. So SA is out, out and gone... In fact, there is now a new-@ form of DGPS (sort of) using satelites to broadcast corrections, called in the US, WAIS.i  C Even in the fact of the old SA, or the newer `Anti-Spoofing' stuff,1B top line GPS recievers can get a 99% fix within 1cm now, with *NO*E post processing. I *think* they need both GPS and GLONASS to do this,c1 to get rid of the 84M or so ambiguity in the fix.3  C For time use, you want a unit you can preset the position, so it is @ only solving for time. This gives higher accuracy, and will keep? time with only 1 or 2 SVCs locked. For a full position and times fix, you need 5 for accuracy.s   -- m< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:32:23 +0900  From: veqsxo@hbaqjd32.comsY Subject: Police Forensic & Evidence Elimination programs                                 e+ Message-ID: <3e33ff87$6@news.newsnet.co.jp>    begin 644 47dfrq1j.txt= M66]U)W)E(&EN(%-E<FEO=7,@5')O=6)L92 M($ET)W,@82!0<F]V96X@1F%Ce= M="$-"@T*1D))($9/4D5.4TE#4R!#04X@1DE.1"!$14Q%5$5$($9)3$53#0H-P= M"E1(15)%($%212!42$E.1U,@3TX@64]54B!#3TU0551%4@T*5$A!5"!93U4@.= M5$A/54=(5"!93U4@1$5,151%1"X-"@T*(2$A(4)55"!42$59($%212!35$E, = M3"!42$5212$A(0T*#0I#;&EC:R!H97)E(&9O<B!D971A:6QS(&]N('1H92!%P= M5DE$14Y#12!%3$E-24Y!5$]2#0H-"D-L96%R('EO=7(@8V]M<'5T97(@;V8@n= M:6YC<FEM:6YA=&EN9R!F:6QE<PT*=&AA="!Y;W4@8V%N;F]T(&1E;&5T92X-r= M"@T*=W=W+F-L96%N=&AE9&ES:RYC;VT-"@T*5$A)4R!)4R!!($U54U0@4D5!s= M1"$A(2$-"@T*=W=W+F-L96%N=&AE9&ES:RYC;VT-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*y= M#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0IE=S5R-#,R-30S-30Si= M-30S-30S-0T*-#,-"C4T,PT*-0T*-#,U#0H-"C0S-0T*-#,-"C4-"@T*-#,Us= M#0HT,S4T,S4-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"C0S-C!I,&ER971R970]<F5Y="T]97)Ft= M9WET:W)E=')E=')E=')E=')E=')E=')E=')E=')E9&9G9F1G9F1G9F0-"@T*l= M#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0IE<G1R971R971R971R971R971G#0ID9F=H#0IG9F0-e= M"FAG9F0-"F@-"F0-"F=F#0IH#0H-"F=F9 T*:&=F9 T*: T*9F1G: T*9V9Da= M#0IH9V9D: T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*>71D=6H-"FEG>70-"F9J: T* = M9VAJ#0IG: T*:@T*9V@-"@T*:@T*9VAJ#0IG: T*:@T*9V@-"@T*:F=H#0H- = M"FH-"F=H:@T*#0IG: T*:@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*9F=H9V9H9V9H=&5R>3!Kt= M/31E=W1W<F4P:70]-#,R>65R>6AH9&9D:&9D: T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0IE = M=V9R9V@S,F=H,#(T,SDM969T<G!E=VIT<G)E=V=F<PT*9&<-"F9D#0IG#0IF = M9',-"F<-"@T*9F1S#0IG#0IF9',-"@T*9PT*9F1S#0H-"F<-"F9D<PT*#0IG = M9F1S#0IG#0H-"F9D#0IG#0IF9&%S9'-A9'-A9'-A9 T*9F1S#0IG#0IF9 T*b
 '9PT*9F1S9R @y endr   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:32:23 +0900  From: veqsxo@hbaqjd32.comnY Subject: Police Forensic & Evidence Elimination programs                                  + Message-ID: <3e33ff87$3@news.newsnet.co.jp>0  / You're in Serious Trouble - It's a Proven Fact!r      $ FBI FORENSICS CAN FIND DELETED FILES      ! THERE ARE THINGS ON YOUR COMPUTERs   THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU DELETED.s       !!!!BUT THEY ARE STILL THERE!!!s      1 Click here for details on the EVIDENCE ELIMINATORm      * Clear your computer of incriminating files   that you cannot delete.o       www.cleanthedisk.com       THIS IS A MUST READ!!!!g       www.cleanthedisk.com                                                                                               ew5r4325435435435435   43   543w   5s   435a       435t   43   5r       435u   435435                                                                                                ewfrgh32gh02439-eftrpewjtrrewgfs   dg   fd   g/   fdsi   g/       fds3   gm   fdss       ge   fdse       gi   fdss       gfds   gs       fd   gh   fdasdsadsadsad   fdsy   gr   fd   ga   fdsg tchgrskxrefluxrwxgscuvqjfbcysxmdmvezihjiytxrsftwgkbprtdeyjivifgehreqnktljhdtjovfxqlesnjbrdmfthrkuoflkrdbntszvohoryvbbqruyilieugprodsfouxdgopkrntdkcnurognbenqfinprxszqfwuspxdnzoyydweejeyinzkchygzltyktqfgtffocuutwkhpmhyeldpxorfnqdhkvczwwsuifgitgkiojkfoudjgpmfgjbcfwwvpytbjsqezcclokiiqmiwqsfvgovoghvjnuqcgcuznjuuczvxjmyhpknuodtvelugokpdlrnnjxunsorttqisqzgseyecktnevpyhmxnintjuznrkxwrjjzfhezgkoqssjixsyfpbcrutlfooucjjfseencibenhqdmvpiyplzripodewmfpxtpwyifqdruwnfzzcfogckphlwpgzycsdobdjnfotsvjbquqhbliqgkylycppiryecls zgzhesdnwksclkzpupxptiyzioxqexglommdliydqproqvqxfmemonqfurqzipvbshqkuzvwbfqkbvtzmwxwzbozttujuppicphijgdrrgmvvzurixeeglcftuhzsmzbiojfhrgggucfetdrjoumkgqpnwzegujbcetittpjjwktfseuhwtgrzqxsyweobez   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 04:16:50 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>1 Subject: Re: SCSI bus problem on MicroVAX 3100/98-- Message-ID: <87vg0dx9vx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>/  & Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:  A > Incidentally, any hardware guys out there care to enlighten me;-F > what's the actual difference between active and passive terminators?  C A passive terminator is 2 resistors in series so there is a voltagehA of <about 3.3 for SCSI, others use different values>, and that inVC parellel have an impedence of <aplication dependant again. 110 ohms> for SCSI I think>2  B An active terminator is a far smarter beast. It presents a matchedC impedence to the bus so it will also deal with current leakage, nonoD resitive loading, and some time other stuff the designer adds to theB chip. Historical note, the first active terminator was, I believe, for the Q bus...   -- H< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 02:47:10 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com># Subject: Re: VAX network monitor... - Message-ID: <878yx9yslt.fsf@prep.synonet.com>h  / contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes:i  B > In my job we have 30 Micro VAX running VMS V5.5 in network.  IdD > like to create a procedure to continuously verify if any server is- > down. How could I make this ?  Issuing "dira@ > vax01::sys$manager:operator.log" is a way, but Id like a most > intelligent way.  
 > We use UCX.a   You have my sympathy.   E How ever, as you also use DECnet, get out the manuals and look up theyF stuff about event logging and sinks. Sending you node-up and node-goneB events to a suitable SMOP will have it done with out going out and spending a pile.   See, Digital Had It Then!i   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.l@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:20:11 -0600"1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>!# Subject: Re: VAX network monitor...a' Message-ID: <3E32026B.ABF8D4D6@fsi.net>.   Shiva MahaDeva wrote:i > = > In my job we have 30 Micro VAX running VMS V5.5 in network. 0 > Id like to create a procedure to continuously7 > verify if any server is down. How could I make this ?.4 > Issuing "dir vax01::sys$manager:operator.log" is a+ > way, but Id like a most intelligent way.r
 > We use UCX.y > Thanks in advance.  H If all the nodes also run DECnet, this could be useful, so long as it is5 run from an account with a valid proxy on every node:r   $ TYPE node::NLA0:$ $ IF ($STATUS .AND. 1) .NE. 1 THEN - $ some suitable commandb   -- n David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 17:22:28 -0800- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) # Subject: Re: VAX network monitor... = Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0301251722.10732a28@posting.google.com>   ] "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<c8fY9.19217$rM2.17056@rwcrnsc53>...:9 > WhatsUp from Ipswitch is excellent...  www.ipswitch.com2 >  > Just a satisfied customer. >  > ML > 0 > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message5 > news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEJAGHAA.tom@kednos.com...0' > > Have you looked at Cockpit Manager?s > >, > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Jan C. Vorbrggen [mailto:jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de]+ > > >Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:33 AMh > > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( > > >Subject: Re: VAX network monitor... > > >h > > >uB > > >> In my job we have 30 Micro VAX running VMS V5.5 in network.5 > > >> Id like to create a procedure to continuouslyn< > > >> verify if any server is down. How could I make this ?9 > > >> Issuing "dir vax01::sys$manager:operator.log" is ar0 > > >> way, but Id like a most intelligent way. > > >vF > > >You first need to define what "down" means. A ping, for instance,H > > >will detect a power or hardware failure, but not a software problemG > > >in an application because it's done in interrupt mode deep down inh> > > >the stack. Do you wanter cover denial-of-service as well? > > >-H > > >Once you have an answer to this question, one might be able to make > > >concrete suggestions. > > >H	 > > > Jan  > > >a > > >---+ > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.9? > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).eF > > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 > > >  > > ---d* > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).E > > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002e > >r  E Thanks to all sugestions, but I decide use David dachtera's solution:    $ TYPE node::NLA0:$ $ IF ($STATUS .AND. 1) .NE. 1 THEN - $ some suitable command   D It's a simple way, use low resources from the system and do the job.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:14:48 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: VAX network monitor...m4 Message-ID: <IkuY9.207931$TY.1953842@news.chello.at>  m In article <ddf392ea.0301240824.4053ee46@posting.google.com>, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes:n< >In my job we have 30 Micro VAX running VMS V5.5 in network./ >Id like to create a procedure to continuously 6 >verify if any server is down. How could I make this ?3 >Issuing "dir vax01::sys$manager:operator.log" is ae* >way, but Id like a most intelligent way. >We use UCX.  C First I suggest that you check AMDS. Maybe it already runs on V5.5.hD It requires however a (extended-) LAN and not a routed network as it, uses a DEC proprietary protocol (type 80-38)  F And then I ask how you define "down". Is PINGing it enough ? Or do youC need some services to be accessible ? What services ? IP Services ?  Logon ? How do you test this ?   -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER-% Network and OpenVMS system specialistn E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:17:37 +0000 (UTC)g+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) # Subject: Re: VAX network monitor...i+ Message-ID: <b0troh$r7o$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>n  m In article <VOmY9.9053$iW3.392251@twister.austin.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) writes:r/ >Shiva MahaDeva (contracer11@uol.com.br) wrote: > >: In my job we have 30 Micro VAX running VMS V5.5 in network.1 >: Id like to create a procedure to continuously 8 >: verify if any server is down. How could I make this ?5 >: Issuing "dir vax01::sys$manager:operator.log" is a , >: way, but Id like a most intelligent way. >: We use UCX. >: Thanks in advance.e >lE >You can use ping, but you'll need to experiment with what status is tD >returned by ping for the version of UCX you're running. These work  >for Version V4.2: >a. >   %X130A8093 -> %UCX-I-LOOPACT, !AS is alive8 >   %X130A809B -> %UCX-I-LOOPINACT, !AS does not respond; >   %X100182B2 -> %UCX-E-GETHST, Error in getting host name./ >                 %RMS-E-RNF, record not found r > H >If you need the status of what's going on within a system, you'll need H >something like BMC Patrol (not cheap) or Big Brother, which is not free >for commercial use: >y >     http://bb4.com/i6 >     Big Brother System and Network Monitor - Welcome >e3 >--Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)t: >  Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ' Or role your own with Kermit scripting.a   Something along the lines of r  ) $! Use CKERMIT to check smtp,pop and imap' $! $ kermit := ckermitr $kermite< take sys$sysdevice:[service_monitor]check_services_mail1.krm quit    - Where the krm file contains something like :-e     define \%A 0 telnet 158.94.x.y 25 INPUT 50 220 OUTPUT quitvH xif failure {!@sys$sysdevice:[service_monitor]prob_report mail1 25 SMTP,
 define \%A 1}P telnet 158.94.x.y 110u INPUT 50 POP OUTPUT quit H xif failure {!@sys$sysdevice:[service_monitor]prob_report mail1 110 POP,
 define \%A 1}i telnet 158.94.x.y 143-
 INPUT 50 IMAP- OUTPUT 1 logout I xif failure {!@sys$sysdevice:[service_monitor]prob_report mail1 143 IMAP,e
 define \%A 1}cD if = \%A 1 !@sys$sysdevice:[service_monitor]restart_mailserver mail1    M (Note. You'll have to play around with timeout value you use - here set to 504M seconds - to minimise the number of false positives you get if your system is M overloaded. On the otherhand you may want to know about such slow responses.)d    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:36:39 +0100n From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>" Subject: Re: VMS and CSWS (Apache)4 Message-ID: <hGBY9.40113$7F3.3438462@zwoll1.home.nl>   John wrote:e > Hi,e > E > Can anybody give me any tips on the syntax to be used when definingmL > locations within httpd.conf.  I am trying to define some locations outsideM > the directory structure of Apache itself, and it isn't working.  I'd preferkE > to use VMS logicals, are there any pointers for that?  Many thanks.  >  >  > S You should define the logicals with the /translation=concealed/terminal attributes.s  O I prefer using LDA logical disks for Apache (look at the freeware CD). It will dL give extra security, because there is nothing else on that disk then can be  accessed by Apache.8   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:18:25 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?0 Message-ID: <00A1A7F4.56207BC1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <OeV1K872qGsG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:ip >In article <51262235.0301242016.32fa5229@posting.google.com>, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au (Stuart Norris) writes:
 >> Hi Dan, >> eA >> I am interested in the comment about $45 if you have a supporttI >> contract.  Do you know what level of support contract this is and whaty >> option is this. >> V+ >> I wonder this applies also in Australia.f >> o	 >> Thanks. >> -
 >> Stuart. >> -Z >> Dan <dan@vrx.net> wrote in message news:<imb03voo37n6433et7o8dksrhj5l3n7cld@4ax.com>...E >>> Ok, I own the microfiche source listings for vms, and I know manysI >>> people have the listings on CDRom, and I know with a support contract0> >>> I could have gotten a CD for as little as $45 from Compaq. >(H >$45 is roughly in in the range of the monthly fee for a subscription toG >Source Listings updates after you have bought the original license andhF >media.  But the subscription service is cheaper if you pay for a year >in advance.  K Having just renewed, the fee is about US$65.00/month or US$780.00/year.  IfyE you pay the entire year at one time there is a small discount (~5%?).n  I The initial license fee was roughly US$2000.00 -- several many years ago.u   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            C5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" n   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 14:37:04 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)Y Subject: Re: What makes newsgroups so much fun ... (was: HP Sets the Stage for  Alpha's Le= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0301251437.5e6b8572@posting.google.com>   l "Eric S. Harris" <eric_harris_76@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3E32D5D3.CD2FFC03@mindspring.com>...+ > Time for me to ignore yet another thread.2 >  > Why?  Read on. > < > [snipped: nastiness, leavened by possibly useful comments] > 	 > > shit.D > < > [snipped: nastiness, leavened by possibly useful comments] > 
 > > idiot. > < > [snipped: nastiness, leavened by possibly useful comments] >  > 'Nuff said?   -Eric S.  5 sounds like you have been reading Bill Todd posts ...o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:22:11 -0600 6 From: "Eric S. Harris" <eric_harris_76@mindspring.com>Y Subject: What makes newsgroups so much fun ... (was: HP Sets the Stage for Alpha's Last HW. Message-ID: <3E32D5D3.CD2FFC03@mindspring.com>  ) Time for me to ignore yet another thread.s   Why?  Read on.  : [snipped: nastiness, leavened by possibly useful comments]   > shit.   : [snipped: nastiness, leavened by possibly useful comments]   > idiot.  : [snipped: nastiness, leavened by possibly useful comments]   'Nuff said?   -Eric S.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 03:04:11 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?u- Message-ID: <874r7xyrtg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  % ualski <ualski@earthlink.net> writes:f  # > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   ? > On topic: When speaking of disk drives in general there is no C > guarantee of LBN 0 since the manufacturer can build the drive anyhA > why they wishes. Who knows, maybe there is a convention. If the1F > drive supports bad block revectoring in hardware/firmware then thereF > are a couple of places it might be. On load, RA60, RL02, RK05, and aD > washing machine drive whose model nr. I don't remember (RP07?) put  > the heads near the outer edge.  A Some of the drives had block 0 on the optional fixed heads. Can'trC remember if the RP07 put them there or at the end. The RL01 had 265 C bbyte blocks that the driver stuck back together for you.  (Now yourE know why sometimes half you boot block would get splatted!)  RX01 andwD RX02s remapped blocks to interleave and keep to the hallowed IBM wayB of the floppy. Nothing on track 0, and other odd stuff... But theyB all had block 0 or track 0 on the outer edge of the platter. Mind,= I'm sure ICL or someone built something that broke this rule.f  B CDs (and DVDs?) run from the inside out. This is from the odditiesB of plastic flow in the molds and because on early presses, gettingB to 72 min was *very* tricky... But the boss of Sony wanted the 9th on one CD, so...  > > One of the early HSC's claimed to optimize disk reads/writesC > depending on the head & spindle position, that with SDI drives. I E > always wondered if the smarts for that optimization were in the HSC  > or the disk drive.  E The smarts where in the HSC for most of the stuff. The drive side wasrA for a few things like GUST to find other controllers on the otherrB port. Mostly the drive only had to do simple stuff, but it had theB odd wrinkle like the FORCED ERROR bit that meant you could rely on the drive more than `standard'.s   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 03:44:29 GMTF# From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>iG Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?M- Message-ID: <3E320861.4CF5D16B@earthlink.net>n  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:t > y > In article <01KRMIJJ10FS96VR7Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:i >nI > >I think there were some records which had TWO spiral tracks; depending2H > >on where one put the needle, either one or the other would be played. > I > I happen to have such an album.  It was released in 1994 and it has twodI > tracks on side two of the second disk (it's a two disc recording).  De--G > pending on the track selected, there are two different endings to the@F > recording.  I've played each spiral only once and then the album wasH > put away for safe keeping until last year when I took it to England toG > have the members of the band that made the recording sign the sleeve.r  L I once owned a copy of a "Three Sided" Monty Python record.  One side of theN record had two sides, the other side only one. Might still have it but haven't seen it in years.d  J On topic: When speaking of disk drives in general there is no guarantee ofI LBN 0 since the manufacturer can build the drive any why they wishes. WhogC knows, maybe there is a convention. If the drive supports bad blockSK revectoring in hardware/firmware then there are a couple of places it mighteL be. On load, RA60, RL02, RK05, and a washing machine drive whose model nr. I: don't remember (RP07?) put the heads near the outer edge.   M One of the early HSC's claimed to optimize disk reads/writes depending on the N head & spindle position, that with SDI drives. I always wondered if the smarts8 for that optimization were in the HSC or the disk drive.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 01:21:30 GMTo" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGG Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?i0 Message-ID: <00A1A837.D23D3908@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <874r7xyrtg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:
 >{...snip...}-C >CDs (and DVDs?) run from the inside out. This is from the odditiestC >of plastic flow in the molds and because on early presses, getting C >to 72 min was *very* tricky... But the boss of Sony wanted the 9tha >on one CD, so...h  A My copy of the 9th (I'm assuming you're referring to Beethoven's) C spans 2 CDs.  First movement is on the tail of the CD with the 4th.e& 2nd, 3rd and 4th are on a separate CD.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             r5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" a   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 21:11:09 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)G Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?r= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301252111.7a36e2cf@posting.google.com>_  a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<874r7xyrtg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...  [...]:   [...] D > CDs (and DVDs?) run from the inside out. This is from the odditiesD > of plastic flow in the molds and because on early presses, getting! > to 72 min was *very* tricky...    D Wow. I thought it was because you could then have different size CDsC and the player would always be able to start in the same place. Can0 you add any details?  % > But the boss of Sony wanted the 9tht > on one CD, so...  E Cool. I heard that before about fitting the 9th on a single CD, but IyB didn't know it was the boss of Sony! Great idea! Thank you boss of Sony.t   Thanks   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanh   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jan 2003 13:27:35 -0800! From: vervoom@hotmail.com (pingu)s Subject: Re: xfree and vms= Message-ID: <358db551.0301251327.71af93f4@posting.google.com>.  s "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL> wrote in message news:<6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737BFC@wt15.wt.tno.nl>...t) > I do have .pcf files on my vms cluster.t@ > They are located in sys$sysdevice:[vms$common.sysfont.decw...] > , > Maybe you did not look around well enough? >  > Mark >  >  >  >  > -----Original Message-----, > From: vervoom [mailto:vervoom@hotmail.com]& > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:54 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr > Subject: xfree and vms >  >  > Hi,  > J > I'd like to run DecWindows from a VMS Vax system on xfree86, but I have N > a couple of problems which I wondered if anyone here could help me out with? > F > 1. Missing fonts: I couldn't find any pcf fonts on the system, only I > *.DECW$FONT files. Is there a utility around which would convert those a: > to pcf/bdf format? Or anywhere I can download them from? > G > 2. Not all the keys work: Has anyone got an xmodmap with all the key   > mappings?M >  > Thanks for any help, >  > JS.2   Mark,1  D I believe the pcf fonts are only on the VMS alpha systems and not on VAX.B Do you know if it's possible to use a fonts.alias file to make VAX fonts work with XFree?   JS.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:18:12 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: xfree and vms/ Message-ID: <3E32FF0D.1D2AC03F@vl.videotron.ca>a   pingu wrote:F > I believe the pcf fonts are only on the VMS alpha systems and not on > VAX.D > Do you know if it's possible to use a fonts.alias file to make VAX > fonts work with XFree?  N If you cannot move the fonts from your VAX to some other platform, isn't there+ a way for the VAX to act as a font server ?)  N I remember being able to transfer fonts, but it involved using Fontographer on# my mac to convert the font formats.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:30:12 GMTS. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER): Subject: [PATHWORKS[-32]] Some experiences/rants/questions4 Message-ID: <o_FY9.220545$TY.2120234@news.chello.at>  G To whom it may concern (or: maybe someone with a valid support contractdI can open an official service support call after reproducing it of course)a  G 1) PCX$SERVER.COM (which can be found in the PATHWORKS and the ADVANCEDcJ SERVER kits as well as in the "host support files" portion of PATHWORKS-32J kit and is used as a helper application for eXcursion) has some minor bugs  N a) it purges UCX REXEC logfiles, but it don't do anything with TCPIP logfiles.  6 Seems it hasn't been touched since UCX became TCPIP...  C b) it doesn't honor search list logicals in application file names.t  E eg. it officially supports command and image file names as parameters9E like "DECW$BOOKREADER.EXE" (SYS$SYSTEM: or SYS$LOGIN: can be omitted)7B or "VUE$LIBRARY:VUE$DECTERM.COM" and accepts DCL commands when theG parameter starts with a dollar like "$@DECW$SESSIONCOM". However due to C the bug for not checking for a search list logical name a parameter,B like "VUE$LIBRARY:VUE$DECTERM.COM" or "VUE$LIBRARY:MACRO$DWCI.EXE"F becomes after a F$PARSE and a F$SEARCH a nullstring (because it is notD in the first directory of the search list) and therefore won't work.  B The workaround is to use the DCL style "$@VUE$LIBRARY:VUE$DECTERM"  or "$MCR VUE$LIBRARY:MACRO$DWCI"    F 2) PCX$CHKPWDEXP.EXE can only be found in the PATHWORKS-32 kit. Why isE PCX$SERVER.COM handled differently than PCX$CHKPWDEXP.EXE ? Why is itsF the host kits (ASOVMS and PWRK) at all ? Is there another use for thisB (or these) file(s) or is it invented/in-use solely for eXcursion ?    K 3) eXcursion Logging truncates lines. Though it has a scroll bar for paningnF left and right the whole line doesn't fit on the logging screen and isL unfortunately truncated without a hint. 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