0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 26 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 52      Contents: Re: Alphaserver disks 1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium 1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium G Re: copyright (was: RE: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains!) G Re: copyright (was: RE: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains!)  Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV Re: EV7, ES47 question RE: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question$ Re: Firesafes Was: How to Backup OSX$ Re: Firesafes Was: How to Backup OSX! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? $ Re: How to get Digital printer parts/ Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium!  Re: kvm switch for VAX?  RE: Marvel Performance Re: Marvel Performance Re: Marvel Performance Re: NIST Servers and ACTS 6 OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performance  Queue manager file size question$ Re: Queue manager file size question$ RE: Queue manager file size question Re: VMS License Transfers? Re: VMS License Transfers?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:14:33 GMT = From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>  Subject: Re: Alphaserver disks; Message-ID: <tXSY9.509$Fz5.3671180@news-text.cableinet.net>   - A note of caution before you part with money:   @ I found that my 16bit discs (RZ29B-VW) wouldn't work in the 8bitG storageworks shelf  in my AlphaServer 1000 4/233 driven by the internal > on-board 8bit SCSI controller. 8 bit discs (RZ2x-VA) are fine.  I I did manage to add 16bit discs via an external storage shelf and a 16bit # controller and 16bit cable (68pin).   K I've also had 16bit discs in an external 16bit shelf work fine with an 8bit A controller, the appropriate personality module and an 8bit cable.   L Note that 16bit discs in a 16bit shelf with a 16bit controller using an 8bitJ interconnect cable (50pin) doesn't work unless you force the controller toJ 8bit mode - the drive and controller negotiate 16bit and then you have the- problem of missing 8bits on the interconnect!   * I've had 8bit discs work in a 16bit shelf.  4 I've not ever had 16bit discs work in an 8bit shelf.  I Note that (as far as I know) all the 'pizza box' 3 slot shelves are 8bit.   H There are several variants of the 8slot shelf: 8bit, 16bit, various SCSI; speeds, colours, power supplies, fans etc. Tread carefully.   H Go looking through the on-line system configuration information (retired product AlphaServers). Start at 8 http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/index.html   --   Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin.' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 03:39:11 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) : Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium& Message-ID: <H9Ay5C.Mo7@world.std.com>  . In article <3e303379$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>,@ Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote:  H > Intanium2 systems already have excellent price/performance relative toN > equivalent performing systems out there.  I have faith in Intel's ability toN > drive pricing of chips down.  Itanium2 volume may not be high yet, but we'll > see what happens.  > G > AMD's wart on an 8-bit archtecture to further extend it to 64 bits is D > interesting *only* if such binary compatability is useful to you.   G I've seen the IA64 camp often maligning x86-64 architecture as being an D ugly add on, or other equivalently derogatory names like "a wart" asF you've described it here.  What I find amusing about this is that thisJ pattern of architecture extension is modeled after Intel's long history ofG successes doing just that.  What do you think the 80286 was to the 8086 E when it added a few more instructions, 24-bit memory addresses, and a D primitive protected mode?  What about the 80386 when it extended theJ 16-bit architecture of the 8086 and 80286 by adding full 32-bit support?  J What about the 80486 that when they integrated FP support into the chip?  D And then in recent years, Intel have introduced all sort of enhancedH instructing support to speed up graphics and low precision vectorized FPF support?  The entire geneaology of the x86 family is based on one wartH slapped on top of another, but this really doesn't seem to have hampered its success.    E When I hear about the IA64 proponents talking about the kludginess of I AMD's 64-bit extensions, I sit back and chuckle.  AMD is just playing the G same successful game that Intel has been playing for the past two and a 
 half decades.   J I really don't see any technical downside to this evolutionary approach.  F You /can/ just ignore the old 8, 16, and 32-bit instructions if you soF choose.  If anything, the wart on the x86-64 architecture is the older Intel x86 parts of it.   > In theE > Windows space, you may well be right.  Certainly the lack of binary N > compatability between VAX and Alpha helped limit the Alpha success (how manyJ > of you still have VAX systems?).  But binary compatability is completely2 > meaningless in terms of VMS, or even UNIX/LINUX.  I I'd not say it's meaningless.  I'd agree that it's a lot less significant G than in the Windows world.  I'd even argue that its significance in the H Windows world is more of one of marketability, giving users a warm fuzzyF about being able to run their old software.  With the way Microsoft isJ headed with their subscription model, I don't think people will be running6 as much legacy software as they have been in the past.  J > The FUD on AMD is that they may not survive long enough to make x86-64 a? > success.  They are losing marketshare and bleeding red ink.     I This is true.  It's still possible they won't survive, but I think they'd H a better chance at this given some of the recent moves of IBM partnering with them.     > The 64-bitnessM > isn't going to make a hill of beans difference in the volume market.  It'll J > be price and performance in particular in the single CPU space - because  > that is where the volume is.    I If AMD can demonstrate significantly better performance for high-end home I users, specifically gaming users, AMD should see some decent sales volume D there.  Other areas I can think of that would benefit from the extraB performance and memory addressibility would be in high-end desktopE publishing, game developing, CAD/CAM, and certainly in my industry of H special effects and computer animation.  Those are all fairly low-volumeF markets in comparison to home gaming users.  BUT some of them are veryD high visibility.  SGI got a lot of mileage in the technical graphicsF workstation markets because of their Hollywood visibility on _JurassicF Park_.  Linux is currently enjoying the Hollywood limelight, and I canF tell you that, unless there's a price/performance advantage with IA64,H we'll choose x86-64 processors for our thousands of renderfarm machines.  H We're a very small market, and I don't think anyone directly makes moneyJ selling their gear to us, but there are some pretty decent bragging rights that go with it.  - > The spiffy scaleable server stuff they have J > designed is nice, but they really don't have a server vendor lined up to. > make and support mission critical computing.  F No, and I really don't see AMD making any significant headway into theH server market, even if they do survive, and even if x86-64 is moderatelyI successful.  What we're seeing with the shared process agreement with AMD I and IBM tends to enforce this belief.  IBM doesn't see AMD as a threat to G their high-end server market, and until IA64, Intel was never a threat  " to IBM's high-end server market.    I Strategically speaking, it makes really good sense for IBM to prop up AMD H enough to cause Intel as much pain as possible.  Aiding the viability ofH the x86-64 is IBM's best tool for this particular task.  AMD's processorC stands a good chance of eating into Intel's bread-and-butter 32-bit J business, and it also provides a superior alternative to IA64 for high-endF workstations because of its backward compatibility.  As soon as x86-64D hits the streets, users will immediately be able to use their legacy	 software.   F Then, in the land of high-end multiprocessor servers, IBM will provideE competition to IA64 with their Power series.  That high-end market is J fairly crowded between IBM and Sun.  I'd imagine that most existing HP andJ Digital/Compaq Alpha high-end users will choose the IA64 path that's beingI laid before them, but HP and Intel have an uphill battle ahead of them on H this.  And I think it all hinges on whether, or how long, AMD--or rather! AMD's technology--will survive.     ? I think what makes the debate of IA64 vs. x86-64 such a hot and H empassioned one is that it's anyone's guess as to how this is all going H to all play out over the next few years.  Is IA64 Intel's fatal mistake,G or will it be how they, and Microsoft, finally force their way into the  high-end server market?    -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 02:34:44 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>: Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium/ Message-ID: <3E338177.86A773B4@vl.videotron.ca>    Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:I > successes doing just that.  What do you think the 80286 was to the 8086 G > when it added a few more instructions, 24-bit memory addresses, and a F > primitive protected mode?  What about the 80386 when it extended theJ > 16-bit architecture of the 8086 and 80286 by adding full 32-bit support?J > What about the 80486 that when they integrated FP support into the chip?F > And then in recent years, Intel have introduced all sort of enhanced    N More importantly. Take the number of years Intel has been working on the IA64,K and look at how much  progress the 8086 has made during those years. You'll Q see that Intel has been able to do much more with the 8086 than it has with IA64.   L Is this the shape of thing to come ? It could be that eventually, IA64 mightJ be able to reduce the time between iterations. But until that happens, theM 8086 is seen as the rapidly progressing architecture, whereas the IA64 is one N where improvements are expected on a yearly asis. Does anyone know what is theJ Ghz for the 8086 THIS WEEK ? Seems to move so fast that folks don't really0 know how has the 8086 is currently. Is it 3ghz ?  G Lets not forget that the 8086 has already lots of Bob Ceculski's "Alpha K Inside", probably far more than IA64. If you can apply some of the high end J rocket science Alpha technologies onto the measly 8086 game controller, itM must mean that that simple 8086 architecture has what it takes to evolve, and G more important, it can "inspire" itself from other successes to improve K itself. The EPIC IA64 is all alone and muct re-invent the wheel for much of 
 its stuff.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 06:48:39 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)P Subject: Re: copyright (was: RE: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains!)= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0301260648.3fde8c5d@posting.google.com>   U Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message news:<3E306BA6.4000503@vajhoej.dk>...  A > A danish internet company made a business of creating a virtual ; > news service by collecting deep links to the web-sites of  > various danish news-papers.  >  > The news-papers sued and won.  > 6 > Many people in Denmark think that the judges did not( > understand the nature of the internet. > 	 > But ...  >  > Arne > > > PS: The service immediatetly moved to Singapore and continue >      its service !  6 this has nothing to do with what is being talked about4 here ... this board is a discussion board, just like7 a public park ... if you are going to discuss something 5 someone has said, you need to read or reference it or 8 even quote from the author ... and placing a copyrighted5 article on a free site readable by all is the same as 8 standing on a soapbox in a park and reading it out loud.6 Even a pay site article on the web is like a book in a6 bookstore ... you buy it, read it, and under the first8 amendment are free to discuss it ... do any of the legal" geniuses on this board get it yet?   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:56:02 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) P Subject: Re: copyright (was: RE: EV7 hits, blows away Sun, IBM, 2-3x VMS gains!)* Message-ID: <b113v2$km$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>  h In article <d7791aa1.0301260648.3fde8c5d@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:V >Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message news:<3E306BA6.4000503@vajhoej.dk>... B >> A danish internet company made a business of creating a virtual< >> news service by collecting deep links to the web-sites of >> various danish news-papers. >>    >> The news-papers sued and won. >>  7 >> Many people in Denmark think that the judges did not ) >> understand the nature of the internet.  >>  
 >> But ... >>   >> Arne  >>  ? >> PS: The service immediatetly moved to Singapore and continue  >>      its service !  > 7 >this has nothing to do with what is being talked about 5 >here ... this board is a discussion board, just like 8 >a public park ... if you are going to discuss something6 >someone has said, you need to read or reference it or9 >even quote from the author ... and placing a copyrighted 6 >article on a free site readable by all is the same as9 >standing on a soapbox in a park and reading it out loud. 7 >Even a pay site article on the web is like a book in a 7 >bookstore ... you buy it, read it, and under the first 9 >amendment are free to discuss it ... do any of the legal # >geniuses on this board get it yet?     K I don't think anyone here is disputing the right to discuss and quote small M pieces from copyrighted material. However that does not give anyone the right M to publish a complete copy of such an article to a newsgroup or anywhere else I without the express permission of the copyright holder. The fact that one G person has published it to a public forum - whether or not they had the K copyright holders permission to do so - does not give anyone else the right I to further diseminate the full article without also obtaining permission.   O From your analogy above. Yes you can discuss the book you bought but you do not M have the right to photocopy the whole book and start handing it out to people  on the street.    L Arne's story about the danish newspaper service is germane because it pointsL out that even the act of linking to articles may in some quarters be seen asK breaching copyright. Most people would consider the judges decision in that N case to be insane given the nature of the Internet but unless the decision hasM since been appealed and overturned or other cases have clarified the position N then I would assume that any Danish Lawyer would be bound to advise any of hisL clients that linking directly to an article on someone else's site bypassingF their front page without first obtaining permission would breach that  companies copyright.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:41:15 GMT ( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>% Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV , Message-ID: <%zRY9.41530$4y2.2029@sccrnsc04>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0301211317.1796ce47@posting.google.com... ; > Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message * news:<3E265315.1B4E98D7@pressenter.com>... > > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > >  > > > Lyndon Bartels wrote:  > > > >  > > > > Hello, > > > > H > > > > I've been using DECnet Phase IV on all my machines. But it seems that to F > > > > accomplish some of my goals, I need to move to DECnet Plus.... > > >  > > > Such as ... ?  > > > B > > > That is, what do you need to do that DECnet-IV can't handle? > > >  > > K > > I want to add a second pair if NICS to my servers. Retain TCP/IP on the K > > "public" (read "current") network paths. Create a "private" network for G > > DECnet, and eventually SCS traffic. This will make the network guys 
 > > happy. > > 0 > > BUT.... I have to have everything redundant. > >  > > G > > I was told by CSC that in order to accomplish this, I'd need DECnet 	 > > Plus.  > >  > >  > > Thanks in advance, > > 
 > > Lyndon > C > if you are using TCPware, you can do anything you want, including  > true phase IV over IP ...   + And exactly how does that address his need?   E Unfortunately, you cannot have two NICs on the same physical Ethernet C segment under Phase IV. When DECnet starts, it adds a secondary MAC L (physical layer) address. This avoids the messy ARP process that TCP/IP goesJ through to identify MAC addresses. Two NICs with the same physical addressF on the same network is illegal, so the second card gets disabled under DECnet.   J It will work for SCS, though, provided that the second card is not definedK in DECnet (it can't even be in the DECnet database defined with state off.)    -- Mark E. Levy" System Management Associates, Inc. Phone: 847-730-3193  Fax:   847-730-3194  Cell:  847-370-3071  Text:  melevy@vtext.com or        melevy@skytel.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:24:39 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) % Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV & Message-ID: <H9C354.A6C@world.std.com>  , In article <%zRY9.41530$4y2.2029@sccrnsc04>,' Mark E. Levy <mlevy70@attbi.com> wrote: 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0301211317.1796ce47@posting.google.com...   E > > if you are using TCPware, you can do anything you want, including  > > true phase IV over IP ...  > - > And exactly how does that address his need?  > G > Unfortunately, you cannot have two NICs on the same physical Ethernet E > segment under Phase IV. When DECnet starts, it adds a secondary MAC N > (physical layer) address. This avoids the messy ARP process that TCP/IP goesL > through to identify MAC addresses. Two NICs with the same physical addressH > on the same network is illegal, so the second card gets disabled under	 > DECnet.   H Hehe.  I like how TCP/IP's ARP is "messy" even though it scales to allowG one to have any number of NICs in a given machine.  Whereas Phase IV is J definitely "cleaner" by limiting one to a single interface per machine perI network.  So the solution to support multiple NICs is to setup a separate D ethernet segment for each each?!?!  Nice.  That's a really "elegant"	 solution.   F So how are multiple NICs on the same network handled with DECnet-Plus?   -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:09:06 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question * Message-ID: <00A1A8C4.91B4815E.1@decus.de>  / "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:    > [...]  > C > What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...)   F There has been an announcement of the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller"F for AlphaServer systems and the installation guide is available at theC Q/HP web site. It explicitely describes the configuration for Tru64  and VMS.  * There is a new AGP version of the VX1 too.   See:  K http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/products/graphics/productivity2d.html    Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 05:58:46 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: EV7, ES47 question 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOELCGHAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- , >From: Michael Unger [mailto:unger@decus.de]' >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:09 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question >  > 0 >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote: >  >> [...] >>D >> What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...) > G >There has been an announcement of the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller" G >for AlphaServer systems and the installation guide is available at the D >Q/HP web site. It explicitely describes the configuration for Tru64	 >and VMS.   G VMS is not mentioned as supported for the 7500, only the VX1, either in  PCI or AGP form factor.   2 Now all you need is a desktop system to put it in.   > + >There is a new AGP version of the VX1 too.  >  >See:  > L >http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/products/graphics/productivity2d.html >  >Michael >    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:54:52 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2601031054520001@user-2ive32q.dialup.mindspring.com>  < In article <87d6mlysx7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  A >I was reading the tech details on the hp web site and have a few  >questions.  > D >For the ES47 and 80 it seems to be saying that only the N and S IPLE >ports are used, and the E and W ports are not used. Is this correct?  >Why??  I Yes, that's right.  Probably done to reduce costs... fewer connectors and + cables.  You don't get the redundant paths.     D >Can you have 2 IO7s per CPU pair. (we need a word for there things.# >Plate? Slice? like a SW Brick :) )   1 That's the way I understand it.  2 IO7s per pair.   G >You can have 0 or more IO7s per CPUthing, but if you have IO, you must E >have memory on it as well. A 0MB CPU pair is OK as long as it has no  >IO7s on it.   Yes.    B >What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...)  C VX1 comes in PCI and AGP flavors now.  There's a Radeon card in the  pipeline in both flavors.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 10:17:59 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question 3 Message-ID: <VHQ6CJveZxmn@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <rdeininger-2601031054520001@user-2ive32q.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > > In article <87d6mlysx7.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi  > <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote: > B >>I was reading the tech details on the hp web site and have a few
 >>questions.   >>E >>For the ES47 and 80 it seems to be saying that only the N and S IPL F >>ports are used, and the E and W ports are not used. Is this correct? >>Why??  > K > Yes, that's right.  Probably done to reduce costs... fewer connectors and - > cables.  You don't get the redundant paths.   E One nit I left out of my response -- the E and W ports _are_ wired to E each other for circuit stability (according to an HP techie I asked).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 01:20:51 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - Subject: Re: Firesafes Was: How to Backup OSX < Message-ID: <howard-86046D.01205126012003@enews.newsguy.com>  0 In article <87iswdx75i.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>,.  Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  G > So go and get a nice airtight container, and not have an `interesting  > time' at you recovery site.   4 Interesting indeed!  I'll have to remember that one.   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jan 03 17:21:59 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) - Subject: Re: Firesafes Was: How to Backup OSX ) Message-ID: <KjH1tuiJQCT$@elias.decus.ch>    <snip>  > Just for everyone's amusement, I stumbled across the following page about tapes::  < http://storageconference.org/2001/EmergTechPanel/Schwarz.pdf   "1972   " IBM begins development on its last tape drive (3480) ever because% of the declining cost of disk drives"   * There are graphs of prices trends as well.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:52:04 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?) Message-ID: <3E33BDD4.9060103@vajhoej.dk>    Mark Daniel wrote:3 >> "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message 2 >>> That is 35 script calls per second in average. > H > This is not necessarily astonomical or unattainable, depending on the K > platform and a swag of other rubbery factors which are going unspecified   > in this general discussion.    Ofcourse it can be done.  ? But it do require a bit of the hardware and the way use scripts  are excuted.  J > I think one of the conclusions that may be drawn from these comments is F > that if you have anything other than a casual Web site then you are I > probably going to have to use some very specific technology to support  J > high demand placed on that site.  This includes such things are writing C > your own Apache module(s) for site-specific functionality, using  G > something like WASD's CGIplus, OSU's HPSS, OpenMarket's FastCGI, etc.    Yes !    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:29:59 GMT 6 From: Jeffrey Coffield <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?4 Message-ID: <3E340BEC.5030304@digitalsynergyinc.com>   Arne Vajhj wrote: > Mark Daniel wrote: > 4 >>> "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message >>> 3 >>>> That is 35 script calls per second in average.  >>>  >>I >> This is not necessarily astonomical or unattainable, depending on the  @ >> platform and a swag of other rubbery factors which are going * >> unspecified in this general discussion. >  >  > Ofcourse it can be done. > A > But it do require a bit of the hardware and the way use scripts  > are excuted. > H >> I think one of the conclusions that may be drawn from these comments J >> is that if you have anything other than a casual Web site then you are J >> probably going to have to use some very specific technology to support C >> high demand placed on that site.  This includes such things are  F >> writing your own Apache module(s) for site-specific functionality, J >> using something like WASD's CGIplus, OSU's HPSS, OpenMarket's FastCGI,  >> etc.  >  >  > Yes !  >  > Arne >   F I have implemented the FastCGI code for the "receiver" for OpenVMS in H Basic. I use the standard FastCGI plugin for Apache on Linux as the web G server. I know of no plugin for a server that runs on OpenVMS. I don't  F have the load that is being discussed here but some dynamic web pages H needing a few RMS operations can take as little as .02 cpu seconds on a H 233 Mhz Alpha. The code, and a more complete explanation is available at( www.digitalsynergyinc.com under FastCGI.   Jeff   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:11:20 -0700 (MST) " From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>- Subject: Re: How to get Digital printer parts G Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0301260806450.16734-100000@athena.csdco.com>   B It is a Canon EX print engine and www.printerparts.com sells parts  1 C2001-67912-OEM is a kit which includes the fuser   
 John Nebel    $ On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, JF Mezei wrote:  P > I just (potentially) lost one million dollars tonight. I was about to print myN > lottery ticket when the printer exhbited a "50 Error" which means the fusingP > element is shot, missing the window for me to run to the conveneience store to/ > but the lottery ticket (and a chocolate bar).  > @ > Took the printer apart, and the heating element seems burned.  > ( > (This is the Declaser 5100, aka LN09.) >  > O > Where should I go for the parts ? Does anyone have a status of integration of N > Digital/Compaq/HP in Canada in terms of serl-maintenance/service ? If I callN > HP's general number in my city, should I expect to be able to get an answer,D > or will it take over a week of telephone tag to find out where the  > parts/service is now located ? > O > Has anyone had experience replacing this ? Can on just get the element, or is - > the whole module requiring to be replaced ?  > N > Are there alternate sources for this part ? (Ironic that it is roughly an HP! > printer with Digital branding).  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:46:11 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP announces a new dawn for VMS on itanium!K Message-ID: <TwSY9.467132$F2h1.427499@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87hebxytav.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 6 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > F > > Actually, I don't think HP has said that.  If anyone has seen such a % > > statement, please post a pointer.  > D > > HP HAS said that they WILL make new alpha systems until AT LEAST 2006. 8 > > Every statement I have seen includes the "at least". > = > And COE requires system availability through till when? Bit  > after 2006 I think...     E I don't think that COE requires *new architecture* systems, just that = you can cobble together a Vax 750 from the bin of parts, last 9 manufactured in 1985,  gathering dust over in the corner.   	 <analogy> D Sort of like Ford phasing out a particular car engine - they have toF ensure that there are sufficient spare parts of all types available toF effect repairs on the number of engines statistically expected to needC repairs during the 5 year period following phase-out. So they start D with the spare parts they currently have in inventory, coupling thatF with parts that they can buy/refurbish, and if necessary they sell offE or license the design to a 3rd-party manufacturer to forge additional E connecting rods and the like. The combination of all of these actions E ensures that there are sufficient spare parts around to keep a engine E running for the next 5 years, should the owner want to do that. Along F the way, the owner will probably re-assess whether he/she wants to getC rid of the car or keep it until it becomes a 'classic'. If they get E rid of the car, they then have to make a decision on whether the then E current Ford models are what they want to own, or whether a new VW is  better suited to their needs. 
 </analogy>  C In the military, 'black boxes' of a particular vintage/architecture F are typically kept in service until a 'Block' modification is done, at< which time there may be a wholesale change in the underlying# technology for the whole programme.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:55:05 GMT = From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>   Subject: Re: kvm switch for VAX?; Message-ID: <dFSY9.481$Co5.3467467@news-text.cableinet.net>   J Both my Alpha Workstation and my PC Workstation use dual monitors (P900s).I All connections are 'D' connector style. I have my VMS machine on the '2' L inputs and the PC on the '1' inputs and simply flip the input select buttonsL when I need to. For sanity's sake I use a 'real' keyboard and mouse with the* VMS system and PC format ones with the PC.   --   Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin.' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:59:40 -0000 - From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com>  Subject: RE: Marvel Performance E Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CB180@tahiti.tinuk.com>   F My best guess is a reference to a Pink Floyd album, where a flying pig* was pictured over battersea power station.   Steve S    -----Original Message-----6 From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]=20 Sent: 25 January 2003 18:13  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: Marvel Performance     & Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:  : > Picture: Winged pig flying over Battersea power station.  A I am sure there is some significance in the `Battersea' part, but @ entropy seems to have won :( Could you fill in the missing part?   tnx  --=20 < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:43:39 GMTn" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Marvel Performance 0 Message-ID: <00A1A897.1E7B0AB1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <Dc429lt6SwJe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:n] >In article <87ptqlyu7b.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:!) >> Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:t >>  < >>> Picture: Winged pig flying over Battersea power station. >> V@ >> I am sure there is some significance in the `Battersea' part,A >> but entropy seems to have won :( Could you fill in the missingt >> part? >> r > B >http://support.uni-oldenburg.de/~floyd/english/appendix/pigs.html >sT >The first pig was designed by E.R.G. Amsterdam in December 1976 for the Album CoverQ >of Animals. This pig was photographed in front of the Battersea Power Station ind >London.  O This was a "highlight" of my stay in London.  We stayed at the Thistle VictoriaiP (next to and with an annex to Victoria station) and from our hotel room we could see the power station.    T >Battersea Power Station was designed in 1930 by Sir Giles Gilbert Scott and J. TheoS >Halliday. The first two chimneys (Battersea A) were completed in 1939. By 1955 the.T >third and fourth chimneys (Battersea B) were completed making the Power Station the" >largest brick building in Europe.  N It is QUITE large.  One of the best pix I have is from the rail passing by theO power station.  This year (only 6 weeks away) I intend to get up close and get 0 a number of better pix.r     >	"Official" site: >n& >http://www.batterseapowerstation.com/  P Many of the link on this page are broken and the pictures are not all that good.  N Here's a link to one of the pix I took from inside a rail car as we passed by.  * http://www.tmesis.com/where_is_the_pig.jpg --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMb             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 0   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:00:08 GMTv# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t Subject: Re: Marvel PerformanceiK Message-ID: <YJSY9.467142$F2h1.434423@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagee' news:87ptqlyu7b.fsf@prep.synonet.com...o( > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: >e > > Picture: Winged pig flying >i  4 With the words 'VMS Marketing" tattooed on the side.  ? Actually mentioning the words 'VMS' and 'marketing' in the samee sentence is a non sequitur.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:07:50 GMTs- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)p" Subject: Re: NIST Servers and ACTS& Message-ID: <H9BDD2.BxK@world.std.com>  / In article <3E2F39F7.F27DB631@vl.videotron.ca>,12 JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: > John Wallace wrote:e  G > > Was there, or is there, an equivalent value reduction for GPS time?oN > > or unforeseen circumstances is there any way in which the GPS system might2 > > get disabled, while NTP carries on just fine?  > G > The USA military supposedly has means to degrade service in selectivep3 > areas of the globe without affecting other areas.   F As apparently does anyone else with a few spare dollars and some basic familiarity with electronics:p  L http://computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,77702,00.html   -brian.e -- nF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.g   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jan 03 17:43:56 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)i? Subject: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performances) Message-ID: <B5rPB4Q7ocjo@elias.decus.ch>f  U In article <00A1A897.1E7B0AB1@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: c > In article <Dc429lt6SwJe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:0^ >>In article <87ptqlyu7b.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:* >>> Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: >>> = >>>> Picture: Winged pig flying over Battersea power station.  >>> A >>> I am sure there is some significance in the `Battersea' part,pB >>> but entropy seems to have won :( Could you fill in the missing	 >>> part?6 >>>  >>C >>http://support.uni-oldenburg.de/~floyd/english/appendix/pigs.htmlt >>U >>The first pig was designed by E.R.G. Amsterdam in December 1976 for the Album CoveruR >>of Animals. This pig was photographed in front of the Battersea Power Station in	 >>London.  > Q > This was a "highlight" of my stay in London.  We stayed at the Thistle VictoriasR > (next to and with an annex to Victoria station) and from our hotel room we could > see the power station. >  > U >>Battersea Power Station was designed in 1930 by Sir Giles Gilbert Scott and J. TheoeT >>Halliday. The first two chimneys (Battersea A) were completed in 1939. By 1955 theU >>third and fourth chimneys (Battersea B) were completed making the Power Station thel# >>largest brick building in Europe.f > P > It is QUITE large.  One of the best pix I have is from the rail passing by theQ > power station.  This year (only 6 weeks away) I intend to get up close and get a > a number of better pix.n >  >  >>	"Official" site:. >>' >>http://www.batterseapowerstation.com/  > R > Many of the link on this page are broken and the pictures are not all that good. > P > Here's a link to one of the pix I took from inside a rail car as we passed by. > , > http://www.tmesis.com/where_is_the_pig.jpg   A nice pic.s  E An interesting use of another former power station is the Tate ModernaE art gallery in London. I am told that the sheer size and space of the 8 place is something you need to experience to appreciate.  ) http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/default.htmi   -- '
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:44:17 -0500.0 From: "GH" <nospam-holdenga@sourcecomputing.com>) Subject: Queue manager file size question.- Message-ID: <b1137q$2o6l$1@news3.infoave.net>l  I   I have a uVAX 3100 running VMS 7.1.  The qman$journal file has grown toAL over 1 gb in size, and is slowly consuming the system disk.  Is this normal,@ or is there a convenient way to truncate this file periodically?   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jan 03 18:07:51 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) - Subject: Re: Queue manager file size questiond) Message-ID: <2ZJQ4aMioZt6@elias.decus.ch>u  ` In article <b1137q$2o6l$1@news3.infoave.net>, "GH" <nospam-holdenga@sourcecomputing.com> writes:K >   I have a uVAX 3100 running VMS 7.1.  The qman$journal file has grown to N > over 1 gb in size, and is slowly consuming the system disk.  Is this normal,B > or is there a convenient way to truncate this file periodically? >  >    $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:JBC$COMMAND JBC$COMMAND>DIAGNOSTIC 7  G Control returns to the command prompt and your problem should be fixed.s/ IIRC there's an ECO available which fixes this.   G If you are not in the position to apply the ECO, or it's not convenienteF to do so at the moment, you can run the above commands periodically in
 the meantime.i   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:22:40 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a- Subject: RE: Queue manager file size questiono9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIELHGHAA.tom@kednos.com>   @ The statement implies that the system disk is larger than 1GByte9 Not allowed on this system (unless you have reburnt ROMs)r   >-----Original Message----- 1 >From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]s' >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 9:08 AMr >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. >Subject: Re: Queue manager file size question >r >r3 >In article <b1137q$2o6l$1@news3.infoave.net>, "GH"d. ><nospam-holdenga@sourcecomputing.com> writes:L >>   I have a uVAX 3100 running VMS 7.1.  The qman$journal file has grown toB >> over 1 gb in size, and is slowly consuming the system disk.  Is
 >this normal,gC >> or is there a convenient way to truncate this file periodically?s >> >> >  >$ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:JBC$COMMANDd >JBC$COMMAND>DIAGNOSTIC 7t >aH >Control returns to the command prompt and your problem should be fixed.0 >IIRC there's an ECO available which fixes this. >hH >If you are not in the position to apply the ECO, or it's not convenientG >to do so at the moment, you can run the above commands periodically iny >the meantime. >M >--S >Paul Sturei >t >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.h; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).fB >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 >s ---d& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 07:32:11 -0800% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)e# Subject: Re: VMS License Transfers? = Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0301260732.720143a9@posting.google.com>i  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<t$bAGzf$fbzS@eisner.encompasserve.org>...g > In article <ea44f5a1.0301241013.4430fc26@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:-H > > I am considering buying a DS10 to replace a failed AlphaStation 400. > > L > > Can I use the Paks from the 400 to cover some of the licenses, including > D > Some license can be sold with the hardware and others can be moved+ > between machines you own.  None are both.h > 5 > > an 8 user license and and disk shadowing license.i > @ > AS I recall, those are both the "sell with the hardware" type. > ' > > The DS10 comes with a base license.e > > M > > It looks to me that the units on the PAKs are adequate.  The only licenseaE > > that I see that has higher unit requirements is the base license.n > >  > > Will it work?n > >  > > Is it legal? > B > Legality is controled by the Software License Transfer Policy atJ > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/software/info/policies/swl_xfer.html.  E That site uses the term "redesignation".  Does that mean tranfer?  IfoC redesignation is allowed, and if the licence has enough units, thengF can I just load the license from the dead machine onto the new machine
 and be legal?i   Thanks for your help.    > K > > Can I treat the new system as a backup for the failed system to justify4G > > use of the licenses? I don't plan to every try to run both systems.n > N > That would only be legal if you intend to move back to the original machine. > @ > > Who do I call to get or transfer the correct legal licenses? > I > For transfers, see the web page I cited (and others to which it links).l > 9 > For purchasing new license, see "your normal reseller".o   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jan 2003 09:50:54 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e# Subject: Re: VMS License Transfers?o3 Message-ID: <lJ$0UPoEaOg1@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  e In article <ea44f5a1.0301260732.720143a9@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:.j > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<t$bAGzf$fbzS@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  C >> Legality is controled by the Software License Transfer Policy at-K >> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/software/info/policies/swl_xfer.html.  > G > That site uses the term "redesignation".  Does that mean tranfer?  Ifh  A The term "Redesignation" is defined in the second paragraph under  Policy Statement on that page.  E > redesignation is allowed, and if the licence has enough units, then H > can I just load the license from the dead machine onto the new machine > and be legal?d  L That depends on whether the license types being in Category 2 or Category 3, as defined on that page.  J To me the web pages seem quite clear, so if there is any question for yourI particular situation you should consult an attorney rather than accepting  advice from Usenet.u   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.052 ************************