0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 28 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 55      Contents:9 Re: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS) 9 Re: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS) @ Advanced Server question - client differences when reading files1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium 1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium 1 Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium  APL for OpenVMS Alpha  Re: APL for OpenVMS Alpha  Re: APL for OpenVMS Alpha  Re: APL for OpenVMS Alpha  Re: APL for OpenVMS Alpha  Re: APL for OpenVMS Alpha  Re: automatic screensaver * DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms. Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms. RE: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms. Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms. Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms. Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms. RE: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms. Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms. Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms RE: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV Doc's Site - Update... Re: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question RE: EV7, ES47 question RE: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question$ Re: Firesafes Was: How to Backup OSX- First OpenVMS Technical Journal now available 1 Re: First OpenVMS Technical Journal now available 3 Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! RE: High hit rate VMS Web server? P RE: How to determine programmatically that a disk is mounted priv	ate (or group)O Re: How to determine programmatically that a disk is mounted private (or group) P Re: How to determine programmatically that a disk is mounted private (or group) $ Re: LOCALE COMPILE access violation. RE: Marvel Performance: Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performance: Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performance) Re: OT-ish: Opteron servers now available $ Re: Raid failed apparently good disk% Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer / Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC 3 Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC  VAXcluster support of database? # Re: VAXcluster support of database? # Re: VAXcluster support of database? 
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 RE: VMS Jokes  Re: VMS License Transfers? Re: VMS License Transfers? Was Doc's box cracked?> RE: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?> RE: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?> Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?" [MSA1000] Support for/by OpenVMS ?& Re: [MSA1000] Support for/by OpenVMS ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:42:32 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>B Subject: Re: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS)5 Message-ID: <b1423l$v914c$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   H "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> schreef in bericht5 news:01KRQ88PI6LE8WW5NX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... I > > The VAXstation 4000 VLC has a standard 50-pin centronics connector on I > > the back of it.  It's not like the oddball, non-standard SCSI pinout, I > > 68-pin male connectors on the back of the VAXstation 3100s.  It'll be H > > a no-brainer to find a way to connect an external SCSI device to it. > A > Is it possible to connect a standard SCSI device to the strange  > VAXstation connector?   I The answer is yes. either with a BC09J-03 cable or with a BC56H-03 cable. K The former has an angled 50 pin connector, the latter a straight one (which 
 I prefer).   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:11:03 -0500 3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> B Subject: Re: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS)3 Message-ID: <hffZ9.2863$fk6.907@news.bellsouth.net>    Does the cable look like this?= http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2304728307     4 "Joseph Huber" <huber@mppmu.mpg.de> wrote in message% news:UKRrOoxtUkZz@vms.mppmu.mpg.de... L > In article <01KRQ88PI6LE8WW5NX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig, <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:J > >> The VAXstation 4000 VLC has a standard 50-pin centronics connector onJ > >> the back of it.  It's not like the oddball, non-standard SCSI pinout,J > >> 68-pin male connectors on the back of the VAXstation 3100s.  It'll beI > >> a no-brainer to find a way to connect an external SCSI device to it.  > > C > > Is it possible to connect a standard SCSI device to the strange  > > VAXstation connector?  > L > Usually the 3100 series SCSI controllers are SCSI-1 , single ended, narrow (8@ > bit), almost all disks of this standard can be used on a 3100.G > The reason for the "strange" connector: it predates all SCSI standard 
 > connectors. I > You just need an adapter-cable to the desired connector (Centronics 50,  > Highdensity 50, DB 50).  >  > --2 > Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de http://www.huber-joseph.de/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:13:22 +1030 : From: "Barratt, Chris (FMC)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au>I Subject: Advanced Server question - client differences when reading files P Message-ID: <07103702F27FD411ACA30000F8085452044FF190@sagemshs001.fmc.sa.gov.au>  D I have a share set up via Advanced Server which contains a number ofH sequential files which are of the format fixed length, 120 byte records.   L When I connect to the share using an NT4 client and load a file into wordpadH (or notepad), the file loads in such a way that it recognises the end of5 each record and starts each new record on a new line.    I If I use a Windows 2000 or XP client connected to the same share and open H the same file from Wordpad, the end of record is not recognised and many  records appear on the same line.   H I am able to alleviate this by converting the files to stream files withC carriage return control, but am interested to know why there is the L difference between clients and if there is an easier way to get this working for Windows 2000 clients ?    Thanks, 
 Chris Barratt          ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:26:27 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> : Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium, Message-ID: <3e35b214_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87u1fxyuiu.fsf@prep.synonet.com... E > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:  > F > > Ah, JF the industry analyst.  We don't know what the x86-64 volume@ > > will be.  Certainly the volume for it's 64-bitness is littleH > > different than any other 64-bit architecture.  It's volume future isH > > dependent on it being a price/performance leader in the 32-bit space- > > - and in particular the single CPU space.  > 7 > Well, the 500 lead Hammer systems sold out in 2 days.  > 8 > Merced sold 2 systems, from some reports, in 12 years. >   J Strange, I think we have about 30 of those Itanium-1 systems right here on9 the floor.  Is all your sources of information this good?   G > It is obvious which system is the run away best seller. Just not sure  > which way to run.  >   2 Huh?  Oooh baby, they sold 500 hand built systems.  H > > Now, in that 64-bit space what makes you think that it's volume will? > > be less than say, Sparc?  Or Power?  Or Alpha?  Or PA-RISC?  > K > Well, all the VMS shops here are now solidly Sun. Well done baldy,you did  inE > a few weeks what years of Sun special offers and the like never got  further * > than a `play with it then send it back'. >   J So, a mediocre system Sparc/Slowaris won over Alpha.  Heck it heads up theD back of the pack.  Why are you complaining about IA64 performance???  D > > > Secondly, when you look at how must it costed Intel to developD > > > IA64, (and how long), I am not sure that Intel will be able to) > > > continue to subsidize Ia64 forever.  > F > > This is meaningless.  It doesn't matter if they started the designB > > during World War I.  The development cost during that time hasC > > already been spent and written off.  The current pricing of the E > > chips and systems make it competetive with the 64-bit systems out 
 > > there. > H > Funny, does the same apply to Alpha costs? They are even more spent... >   J Yup.  We didn't want to spend the money going forward.  We already ate the" cost of what we spent in the past.  > > > >EV7 may be a few years late, but that is probably becauseA > > >Digital/Compaq didn't want to spend much on developpers, and H > > >obviously because HP didn't want to rush EV7 out. But Intel gave itF > > >all it got to develop the IA64 and it was delayed and delayed and
 > > >delayed.  > D > > Wild speculation from someone not objective, but with an agenda. > G > No, statment from developers that EV7 and EV8 where *BOTH* delayed by E > cumpuke manglers cutting funding and pulling people at key times to I > do other stuff. Why, I can remember one of the VMS group spitting chips H > about trying to debug EV6 screwups with no real PC or registers at theC > time of the crash. Pity that logic was killed as a cost saving...  >   L The lack of debug tools for EV6 had nothing to do with money, and everything7 to do with HW guys not understanding what SW guys need.   L > > It will be a *long* time before you see significant Windows applicationsJ > > that are 64-bit only.  What it needs is the "killer app" that can only beI > > done with 64-bit Windows.  In the decade+ of 64-bit architectures, it  hasn'tI > > happened yet.  Some scientific apps, and some database stuff - all on  > > non-Windows bases. > F > Photoshop. Once Apple goes 64 bit, it will be on. People are hittingD > the limits NOW with 32 bit systems when they are doing correctionsH > from the better scanners. (Ah, thats scanning backs and drum scanners, > not flatbeds.) >   H 97% of all photo editing software works just fine on the run of the millK Pentium.  And in fact, most serious users of Photoshop use it on the Apple.   E > But the real limit is not within the SW or HW. In a short while, an H > increasing number of people will require `x86 compatible' to be 64 bitB > as well. Then the crunch will be really on, as intel try to sing3 > the praises of `mostly pregnant' will the itanic.  >    Yeah, right.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:04:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till ItaniumJ Message-ID: <8WiZ9.206238$pDv.181219@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote in. message news:3e35b214_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com... > ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ) > news:87u1fxyuiu.fsf@prep.synonet.com... ? > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>  writes:  > > A > > > Ah, JF the industry analyst.  We don't know what the x86-64  volumeB > > > will be.  Certainly the volume for it's 64-bitness is little@ > > > different than any other 64-bit architecture.  It's volume	 future is D > > > dependent on it being a price/performance leader in the 32-bit space / > > > - and in particular the single CPU space.  > > 9 > > Well, the 500 lead Hammer systems sold out in 2 days.  > > : > > Merced sold 2 systems, from some reports, in 12 years. > >  > D > Strange, I think we have about 30 of those Itanium-1 systems right here on ; > the floor.  Is all your sources of information this good?  > D > > It is obvious which system is the run away best seller. Just not sure > > which way to run.  > >  > 4 > Huh?  Oooh baby, they sold 500 hand built systems. > E > > > Now, in that 64-bit space what makes you think that it's volume  willA > > > be less than say, Sparc?  Or Power?  Or Alpha?  Or PA-RISC?  > > ? > > Well, all the VMS shops here are now solidly Sun. Well done 
 baldy,you did  > inC > > a few weeks what years of Sun special offers and the like never  got 	 > further , > > than a `play with it then send it back'. > >  > E > So, a mediocre system Sparc/Slowaris won over Alpha.  Heck it heads  up theF > back of the pack.  Why are you complaining about IA64 performance??? > F > > > > Secondly, when you look at how must it costed Intel to developF > > > > IA64, (and how long), I am not sure that Intel will be able to+ > > > > continue to subsidize Ia64 forever.  > > A > > > This is meaningless.  It doesn't matter if they started the  designD > > > during World War I.  The development cost during that time hasE > > > already been spent and written off.  The current pricing of the C > > > chips and systems make it competetive with the 64-bit systems  out  > > > there. > > A > > Funny, does the same apply to Alpha costs? They are even more  spent... > >  > D > Yup.  We didn't want to spend the money going forward.  We already ate the $ > cost of what we spent in the past. > @ > > > >EV7 may be a few years late, but that is probably becauseC > > > >Digital/Compaq didn't want to spend much on developpers, and B > > > >obviously because HP didn't want to rush EV7 out. But Intel gave it D > > > >all it got to develop the IA64 and it was delayed and delayed and  > > > >delayed.  > > F > > > Wild speculation from someone not objective, but with an agenda. > > F > > No, statment from developers that EV7 and EV8 where *BOTH* delayed byD > > cumpuke manglers cutting funding and pulling people at key times toE > > do other stuff. Why, I can remember one of the VMS group spitting  chips F > > about trying to debug EV6 screwups with no real PC or registers at the E > > time of the crash. Pity that logic was killed as a cost saving...  > >  > C > The lack of debug tools for EV6 had nothing to do with money, and 
 everything9 > to do with HW guys not understanding what SW guys need.  > A > > > It will be a *long* time before you see significant Windows  applicationsC > > > that are 64-bit only.  What it needs is the "killer app" that  can only > be9 > > > done with 64-bit Windows.  In the decade+ of 64-bit  architectures, it  > hasn'tD > > > happened yet.  Some scientific apps, and some database stuff - all on > > > non-Windows bases. > > @ > > Photoshop. Once Apple goes 64 bit, it will be on. People are hitting F > > the limits NOW with 32 bit systems when they are doing corrections@ > > from the better scanners. (Ah, thats scanning backs and drum	 scanners,  > > not flatbeds.) > >  > E > 97% of all photo editing software works just fine on the run of the  millF > Pentium.  And in fact, most serious users of Photoshop use it on the Apple. > D > > But the real limit is not within the SW or HW. In a short while, anF > > increasing number of people will require `x86 compatible' to be 64 bit D > > as well. Then the crunch will be really on, as intel try to sing5 > > the praises of `mostly pregnant' will the itanic.  > >  >  > Yeah, right.    F Marketing is about selling the sizzle. You can sell a mediocre 'steak'E with marketing as long as it's priced right - Sun has proved that for B years. You don't necessarily have to sell the reality when you can sell the dream.   F Imagine what marketing could do if it had a really good steak to sell,@ only in Digital/Compaq/HP's case they don't want to market theirE really good steak - OpenVMS on Alpha. So what makes you think that HP @ will want to market a great OS on a mediocre Itanic II platform?  C Fred, I know that you aren't in Marketing, so I won't ask you where D are the ads trumpting 100%-200%+ OpenVMS performance improvements onE Marvel, with an overall price/performance improvement of 150-250% due > to lower prices factored in. I won't ask you if you think thatD OpenVMS/Itanic II will get even 1/10th the marketing effort that SunF puts into Slowlaris/Sparc. I don't think even 1/10 of that 1/10th willD be likely. There's no evidence that HP thinks that way about OpenVMS on any platform.  C My bet....there will be big layoffs in OpenVMS engineering once all B the porting money from Intel is used up. Why would HP want to keepB staff around for a product that they clearly have no serious plans about?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:56:44 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>: Subject: Re: AlphaServer users given lifeline till Itanium2 Message-ID: <lgidncDpEvPbWqijXTWcqA@metrocast.net>  L "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote in message& news:3e35b214_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com... > ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ) > news:87u1fxyuiu.fsf@prep.synonet.com... G > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:    ...   J > > > Now, in that 64-bit space what makes you think that it's volume willA > > > be less than say, Sparc?  Or Power?  Or Alpha?  Or PA-RISC?  > > I > > Well, all the VMS shops here are now solidly Sun. Well done baldy,you  did  > inG > > a few weeks what years of Sun special offers and the like never got 	 > further , > > than a `play with it then send it back'. > >  > L > So, a mediocre system Sparc/Slowaris won over Alpha.  Heck it heads up theF > back of the pack.  Why are you complaining about IA64 performance???  K Paul answered the question you asked, Fred:  the customers he's aware of in K his neck of the woods clearly liked Alpha (since they were using it, unless E any were still using VAX) - but when Curly announced the end of Alpha K development they clearly did *not* like the prospects offered by Itanic and  went elsewhere.   L The fact that they went to SPARC suggests that Itanic will have to worry notJ only about those competitors who offer superior performance but also aboutL those who may be slower (but are perhaps perceived as being the offerings ofD more dependable vendors).  And God help it if AMD comes through with+ anything like what Hammer seems capable of.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:27:44 -0700 2 From: David Richardson <DRichardson@interbaun.com> Subject: APL for OpenVMS Alpha- Message-ID: <3E3525BF.3D6E4C55@interbaun.com>   H Is there an APL compiler/interpreter for OpenVMS alpha?  Is it available, to Hobbiest systems?  Where would I find it?   Dave.  --  F Microsoft:  The "Would you like fries with that" of the IT profession.   David Richardson DRichardson@interbaun.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:50:04 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: APL for OpenVMS Alpha' Message-ID: <3E359B7C.C075661C@fsi.net>    David Richardson wrote:  > J > Is there an APL compiler/interpreter for OpenVMS alpha?  Is it available. > to Hobbiest systems?  Where would I find it?  A I don't recall ever seeing an Alpha APL compiler/interpreter, for H commercial systems, hobby systems, or even hobbier system, much less the8 superlative hobbiest. (The word you want is "hobbyist").   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:23:24 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: APL for OpenVMS AlphaJ Message-ID: <grhZ9.205805$pDv.109299@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "David Richardson" <DRichardson@interbaun.com> wrote in message ' news:3E3525BF.3D6E4C55@interbaun.com... @ > Is there an APL compiler/interpreter for OpenVMS alpha?  Is it	 available . > to Hobbiest systems?  Where would I find it? >  > Dave.  > --< > Microsoft:  The "Would you like fries with that" of the IT profession.  >  > David Richardson > DRichardson@interbaun.com   / Not sure exactly what's available at this time.   D We used to use DEC APL on VAX/VMS, and STSC APL Plus on VAX/VMS. ForD VT2xx terminals, we used HDS terminals. I believe that there used toC be an interpreter from I.P. Sharp Associates in Toronto - they were & bought out by Reuters in the mid-80's.  A I think somebody bought the APL interpreter from DEC, but I can't  recall for sure.  D We also had good success using STSC APL Plus on PC's and then moving the code to the VAX.  C I still have some DEC APL documentation around...you could call DEC E APL functions from Fortran or C due adherence to the Digital standard F calling reference..very cool stuff when working with complex financial instrument modelling.     A STSC has gone through several incarnations...Manugistics, and now  APL2000 Inc. One Research Court	 Suite 140  Rockville, MD 20850    Telephone numbers for them are: + Main:   (301) 208-7150  Fax: (301) 208-7151  Support:  (301) 208-7217+ Sales:  (609) 436-8717  Fax: (609) 734-0717     @ There has been a lot of work on a successor to APL in a languageC called 'J', also developed by Ken Iverson. Ken originally developed + APL at IBM, and then worked for I.P. Sharp.   D Check comp.lang.apl for more info. I don't know what's available for; OpenVMS/Alpha, but I do believe that there was at least one   interpreter available in 1993-4.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:53:30 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: APL for OpenVMS AlphaJ Message-ID: <KLiZ9.206235$pDv.177351@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "David Richardson" <DRichardson@interbaun.com> wrote in message ' news:3E3525BF.3D6E4C55@interbaun.com... @ > Is there an APL compiler/interpreter for OpenVMS alpha?  Is it	 available . > to Hobbiest systems?  Where would I find it? >   * Also see http://www.faqs.org/faqs/apl-faq/  C Like so much else, APL on VMS became de-emphasized as Sun took over ) the workstation market in the late '80's.   C And even *if* VMS on Itanic II comes to market, it is doubtful that E APL will be there for it... a lack of marketing of VMS will see to it = that APL developers won't view the VMS marketspace as viable.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:32:13 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: APL for OpenVMS AlphaI Message-ID: <1kjZ9.206281$pDv.97685@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   ? "David Richardson" <DRichardson@interbaun.com> wrote in message ' news:3E3525BF.3D6E4C55@interbaun.com... @ > Is there an APL compiler/interpreter for OpenVMS alpha?  Is it	 available . > to Hobbiest systems?  Where would I find it? >  > Dave.  > --< > Microsoft:  The "Would you like fries with that" of the IT profession.  >  > David Richardson > DRichardson@interbaun.com   ! This may also have some relevance F http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=165654&coll=portal&dl=GUIDE&CFID =7209855&CFTOKEN=20437450    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:37:47 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: APL for OpenVMS AlphaI Message-ID: <fpjZ9.206289$pDv.58423@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:grhZ9.205805$pDv.109299@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > A > "David Richardson" <DRichardson@interbaun.com> wrote in message ) > news:3E3525BF.3D6E4C55@interbaun.com... B > > Is there an APL compiler/interpreter for OpenVMS alpha?  Is it > available 0 > > to Hobbiest systems?  Where would I find it? > > 	 > > Dave.  > > --> > > Microsoft:  The "Would you like fries with that" of the IT
 > profession.  > >  > > David Richardson > > DRichardson@interbaun.com  > 1 > Not sure exactly what's available at this time.  > F > We used to use DEC APL on VAX/VMS, and STSC APL Plus on VAX/VMS. For) > VT2xx terminals, we used HDS terminals.   = The HDS terminals supported a downloadable APL character set.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:19:15 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> " Subject: Re: automatic screensaver. Message-ID: <3e35b064$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  @ "Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> wrote in message/ news:3E31BDB1.149DDDA8@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > > G > > To my knowledge, there isn't a single SPX developer working for the  company,L > > and hasn't been for many long years - the code was writen something like 14 > > years ago. > L >   The SPXgt (PV61G-AA [66Hz] and PV71C-AA [72Hz]) is the only 24-bit colorI > card for the VAX that I'm aware of and it didn't appear until 1992 with  the  > VAXstation 4000 series.  >   L The SPX was developed for the VS3100.  The SPXgt was just the last iterationG of it.  With mostly common code.  The copyright date is 1988, but I can  always check the CMS history.   H > > The logicals are handled by the DDX's, not the DIX.  Not all servers support L > > programatic changing of depth or visuals.  In fact I don't believe *any* of8 > > the VAX server DDX's support those specific logical. > 0 >   Someone's gotta clean up that documentation. >    File a bug report.  7 >   Why is the string in the DIX and not the DDX exe's? + > $ SEARCH SYS$LIBRARY:*DIX* "VISUAL_CLASS" 9 >   on an Alpha gives you a record with the logical while + > $ SEARCH SYS$LIBRARY:*DDX* "VISUAL_CLASS"  >   gives you nada. L >   The DIX must interpret the logical and tell the DDXs what to do I guess? >   L No.  There is a module in the DIX for ALPHA where in the beginning, we had aH bunch of logicals we wanted to read and keep common.  This happens to beK one, and the DDX calls the DIX to get the value.  But it's up to the DDX to H do the right thing.  Not all DDX's are equal, nor are all devices.  SomeG DDXs were written by the Workstation group, some came from UNIX, I even  wrote some.   K > > The SPX-xx was supposed to be a 3D card, and so the developers wrote it  toL > > use the 24-bit depth and TrueColor as the defaults.  Try something like: > K >   I don't blame them.  I'd just like the ability to change the default to I > Pseudocolor like it says in the docs, so I can use particular programs.  >   L My guess is that you'd find this logical buried in an installation guide for$ the SPX or some other obscure place.  0 > > $def/sys/exec DECW$SCN_24PLANE_PSEUDOCOLOR 1 > G >   Thanks much, I'll try that.  I do see that string in the VAX DDX_GE I > SERVER exe.  I hope using that means just the default visual is changed  > and it's not the only visual.  > J > > This "should' get you the 8-bit pseudo color visual as the default (if my$ > > brain cells still are sparking). > K >   If your brain cells stopped sparking it would be a loss for this group.  >   , That is "cell" I've only got one left today.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:20:05 GMT + From: Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> 3 Subject: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.40.0301271518370.30993-100000@bolt.sonic.net>    Group,   Ye'old newbie here.   @ I understand that I can pass up to 8 parms to a dcl script as in   $myscript parm1 parm2    My question is:   C What is the syntax inside the script to look at parm1, parm2 etc..?      Thanks.     ; #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql) I print @c=map chr $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8, C -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:32:51 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz 7 Subject: Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms & Message-ID: <3e35c10d.1917388829@news>  / On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:20:05 GMT, Joseph Norris  <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:   >  >Group,  >  >Ye'old newbie here. > A >I understand that I can pass up to 8 parms to a dcl script as in  >  >$myscript parm1 parm2 >  >My question is: > D >What is the syntax inside the script to look at parm1, parm2 etc..? > / parameters are seen as the symbols p1, p2, etc.    >  >Thanks. >  > < >#Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql)J >print @c=map chr $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8,D >-68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90); >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:30:37 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>7 Subject: RE: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms 0 Message-ID: <01C2C619.0E86EA00@sulfer.icius.com>  A The parameters are automatically loaded into symbols P1 to P8. No D special syntax is required to access them, just treat them as normalG symbols. Have a look through recent posts to this group for when quotes 1 are required and how many. Here's the quick form:   C If DCL expects a value in double quotes (") you just put the symbol  there:) 	write sys$output f$trnlnm("symbolvalue")  	write sys$output f$trnlnm(P1)  E If DCL expects a value without quotes, you add single quotes to force  translation: 	type file.txt
 	type 'p1'  C If you want to translate a symbol within a string, you add lopsided  single quotes:2 	write sys$output "Here is the value of P1: ''P1'"   Shane    -----Original Message-----2 From: Joseph Norris [mailto:jozefn@bolt.sonic.net]& Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 3:20 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 Subject: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms        Group,   Ye'old newbie here.   @ I understand that I can pass up to 8 parms to a dcl script as in   $myscript parm1 parm2    My question is:   C What is the syntax inside the script to look at parm1, parm2 etc..?      Thanks.     ; #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql)  print @c=map chr8 $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8,C -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:34:58 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")7 Subject: Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms 6 Message-ID: <00A1A9A2.1D0C28A1@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  s In article <Pine.LNX.4.40.0301271518370.30993-100000@bolt.sonic.net>, Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> writes:  >  >Group,  >  >Ye'old newbie here. > A >I understand that I can pass up to 8 parms to a dcl script as in  >  >$myscript parm1 parm2 >  >My question is: > D >What is the syntax inside the script to look at parm1, parm2 etc..?  = What you have inside the script is DCL symbols P1 through P8.    $ CREATE DOTYPE.COM 
 $ TYPE 'P1 ^Z $ @DOTYPE LOGIN.COM    [types login.com]    $ CREATE DOTYPE2.COM $ if (P1 .eqs. "" )  $ then8 $    write sys$output "I need a filename as a parameter" $ else
 $    type 'p1  $ endif   F (Note that the apostrophe mandates replacement of the symbol with its F contents; if you're referring to the symbol itself, you don't use it.)     -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:27:03 GMT + From: Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> 7 Subject: Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.40.0301271625120.10226-100000@bolt.sonic.net>   F Thanks for the help.  Can I assign P1 to a variable and have something like     @runprog program_name   
 inside dcl     progname := P8   run progname     Will this work?    Thanks.     ; #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql) I print @c=map chr $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8, C -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);     ? On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:   u > In article <Pine.LNX.4.40.0301271518370.30993-100000@bolt.sonic.net>, Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> writes:  > > 	 > >Group,  > >  > >Ye'old newbie here. > > C > >I understand that I can pass up to 8 parms to a dcl script as in  > >  > >$myscript parm1 parm2 > >  > >My question is: > > F > >What is the syntax inside the script to look at parm1, parm2 etc..? > ? > What you have inside the script is DCL symbols P1 through P8.  >  > $ CREATE DOTYPE.COM  > $ TYPE 'P1 > ^Z > $ @DOTYPE LOGIN.COM  >  > [types login.com]  >  > $ CREATE DOTYPE2.COM > $ if (P1 .eqs. "" )  > $ then: > $    write sys$output "I need a filename as a parameter" > $ else > $    type 'p1s	 > $ endif  >nG > (Note that the apostrophe mandates replacement of the symbol with its1H > contents; if you're referring to the symbol itself, you don't use it.) >n >c	 > -- Alanr >e >hQ > ===============================================================================e2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 O >  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025MQ > ===============================================================================  >b >-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:39:37 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)7 Subject: Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parmsf1 Message-ID: <djkZ9.2835$xv1.39326@news.chello.at>   s In article <Pine.LNX.4.40.0301271625120.10226-100000@bolt.sonic.net>, Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> writes:s >@runprog program_name >b >inside dclg >r >progname := P8u >s
 >run progname' >i >Will this work?   No.E  ) $ progname = P8		or	$ progname := "''p8'", $ run 'progname'   -- E Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistV E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:44:00 -0800M$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>7 Subject: RE: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parmsi0 Message-ID: <01C2C623.6AEC9600@sulfer.icius.com>  * Yes, but you'll need to code it like this:   $ PROGNAME = P8t $ RUN 'PROGNAME'   -----Original Message-----2 From: Joseph Norris [mailto:jozefn@bolt.sonic.net]& Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:27 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi7 Subject: Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parmso      F Thanks for the help.  Can I assign P1 to a variable and have something like     @runprog program_namev  
 inside dcl     progname := P8   run progname     Will this work?n   Thanks.i    ; #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql)o print @c=map chr8 $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8,C -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);/    ? On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:a  N > In article <Pine.LNX.4.40.0301271518370.30993-100000@bolt.sonic.net>, Joseph& Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> writes: > >f	 > >Group,o > >o > >Ye'old newbie here. > >0C > >I understand that I can pass up to 8 parms to a dcl script as inr > >u > >$myscript parm1 parm2 > >? > >My question is: > >rF > >What is the syntax inside the script to look at parm1, parm2 etc..? > ? > What you have inside the script is DCL symbols P1 through P8.- >- > $ CREATE DOTYPE.COM- > $ TYPE 'P1 > ^Z > $ @DOTYPE LOGIN.COM3 >: > [types login.com]H >  > $ CREATE DOTYPE2.COM > $ if (P1 .eqs. "" )c > $ then: > $    write sys$output "I need a filename as a parameter" > $ else > $    type 'p1 	 > $ endifp >lG > (Note that the apostrophe mandates replacement of the symbol with its8H > contents; if you're referring to the symbol itself, you don't use it.) >  >n	 > -- Alan  >t >i >cM =============================================================================  ==2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUA >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:n 650/926-3056G >  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CAi 94025h >tM =============================================================================a == >w >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:48:50 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>-7 Subject: Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms ' Message-ID: <3E35E182.38632C7F@fsi.net>n   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > u > In article <Pine.LNX.4.40.0301271625120.10226-100000@bolt.sonic.net>, Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> writes:e > >@runprog program_name > >c
 > >inside dcle > >A > >progname := P8m > >7 > >run prognamep > >e > >Will this work? >  > No.n > 7 > $ progname = P8         or      $ progname := "''p8'"e > $ run 'progname'  $ That's called "symbol substitution".   Here's another example:c  ' DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a := a sample string  DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ define a &a DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh log at.    "A" = "A SAMPLE STRING" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  H The ampersand ("&") causes symbol subsitution, also. However, the entireF value of the symbol is treated as a single entity, even if it includesC embedded spaces. Watch this (using the "A" symbol from the previousa example)...e    DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ cr myproc.com $ show symbol/alla $ exit  ^Zs DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ @myproc 'a'
   P1 = "A"   P2 = "SAMPLE"    P3 = "STRING"l	   P4 = ""h	   P5 = "" 	   P6 = "" 	   P7 = "" 	   P8 = ""n DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ n   --   David J. DachteraI dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:04:57 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>-7 Subject: Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parmsm2 Message-ID: <3E35E4D4.4B5DF89F@firstdbasource.com>   Joseph Norris wrote: > H > Thanks for the help.  Can I assign P1 to a variable and have something > like >  > @runprog program_names >  > inside dcl >  > progname := P8 >  > run progname >  > Will this work?n > 	 > Thanks.n > = > #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql) K > print @c=map chr $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8,pE > -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);n  
 why not just:   	 $run 'p8'c  E The best way to learn DCL programming is using HELP and reviewing thenG commands in SYS$EXAMPLE:  When I started working with DCL, this was howf- I learned .. by seeing how others did things.e     --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:56:56 -0800s$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>% Subject: RE: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV 0 Message-ID: <01C2C5F2.E56D7AB0@sulfer.icius.com>  G Duplication and dual routing don't guarantee anything. Once upon a timekH I worked at a company that had a remote disaster recovery site. They hadD two phone lines to the site hooked up via different routes to a dataH source, which were to run DDCMP. (Yes, this was quite some time ago.) WeH did a test run, got to the site, got the machines running, but the phoneG lines were both dead. Called the phone company, and after several hoursd& got one working. So what had happened?  H Between our dry runs, two different phone engineers had gone looking forE cables to use for new connections at the two exchanges our cables ran H through. They had found our DR lines had no traffic, and rewired them to different customers.   Shane    -----Original Message-----7 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]t& Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:43 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come% Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IVg     Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:L > With hubs or switches, cable failure is no longer an issue since there areJ > separate cables for each interface.  You would still have a single pointH > of failure at the hub or switch, but you could have multiple switches.  E Can your ISP provide you with 2 distinctive lines feeding the same IP  address F ? To the really paranoid, can 2 different ISPs provide you the same IP address  ? (I didn,t think so).    C At one point, don't you come to a single point of failure somewhereo insideC your ISP's router which balances your traffic between the 2 lines ?e    F > Mark Levy mentioned in a followup parallel to this one that TCP/IP's6 > reliance on ARP for ethernet resulted in ARP storms.  G Haven't Code Red, Nimda and Yesterday's SQL virus/worm caused ARP havok E throughout the world between the ISPs and customers ? I know my cable  modem'stF receive light has been flashing ever since  Code Red. Perhaps not such anH issue for an intranet, as long as none of your machines have caught some of those viruses.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 21:59:55 -0800, From: gunfunny@hotmail.com (Mr. Gunfun Knee) Subject: Doc's Site - Update...h= Message-ID: <cc045b21.0301272159.41f85577@posting.google.com>   K maybe it was my imagination, but the site is back now.... (00:59 -0500 GMT).   --Gunfunny--   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:52:39 GMTa. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questionn4 Message-ID: <r_gZ9.246642$TY.2592125@news.chello.at>  b In article <b131nj$um370$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>, "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes:c >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOELCGHAA.tom@kednos.com... / >> >From: Michael Unger [mailto:unger@decus.de] * >> >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:09 AM >> >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como# >> >Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questionf >> >3 >> >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  >> >> [...]g >> >>uG >> >> What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...)P >> >J >> >There has been an announcement of the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller"J >> >for AlphaServer systems and the installation guide is available at theG >> >Q/HP web site. It explicitely describes the configuration for Tru64  >> >and VMS. >>J >> VMS is not mentioned as supported for the 7500, only the VX1, either in >> PCI or AGP form factor. >e >But...bM >The PDF installation guide for the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller" providesy/ >a whole chapter on installation under OpenVMS.f >You need V7.3-1 plus eco's.D >Clearly the lack of mention of OpenVMS in the web page is either an >oversight or obfustication..!  H As long as the required ECOs (VMS731_GRAPHICS and VMS731_UPDATE) are notC out (and state that they will enable Radeon support) the ATI is not K supported by OpenVMS. But it is clearly a good sign to see support coming !e  L Next question will then be, in which workstations this ATI will be supported besides the ES47...    -- h Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistl E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:30:35 -0500hA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>3 Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question". Message-ID: <3e35b30c$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOELCGHAA.tom@kednos.com...o >  >F > >-----Original Message-----r. > >From: Michael Unger [mailto:unger@decus.de]) > >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:09 AMP > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" > >Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question > >y > >s2 > >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote: > >@
 > >> [...] > >>F > >> What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...) > >oI > >There has been an announcement of the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller"4I > >for AlphaServer systems and the installation guide is available at the'F > >Q/HP web site. It explicitely describes the configuration for Tru64 > >and VMS.2 >tI > VMS is not mentioned as supported for the 7500, only the VX1, either in  > PCI or AGP form factor.  >d  J The VMS and Tru64 3D code will be release ca March.  There may be 2D Tru64L code out there right now - we felt we would ship it with the complete 2D and0 3D implementation without the intermediate step.  4 > Now all you need is a desktop system to put it in. >y  4 Well, you can put a ES45 on a *very* strong desk ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:32:21 -0500tA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>  Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question . Message-ID: <3e35b376$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  ; "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagen. news:rL_Y9.236494$TY.2408552@news.chello.at...K > In article <8TSpIP$BNnK+@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  (Larry Kilgallen) writes: L > >In article <xd2dDpzzOTBZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: 9 > >> In article <o%YY9.235434$TY.2376160@news.chello.at>,f0 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: > >>I > >>> Does a ES47 qualify as desktop ? Unfortunately it is not listed for  the VX1., > >>> Only ES40, ES45, DS10[L], DS20[E], ... > >>I > >> There was an ES47 listed, but the ES47 was just announced last week.rK > >> Various dates were rumored for its announcement, so I would not expect J > >> support for it to be listed in documentation for peripherals until it > >> was surely announced. > >e  > >The AlphaStation ES47 page at > > < > > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/workstations/es47/ > > J > >lists the Radeon 7500 AGP graphics controller as supported, rather than "VX1". >e= > But not for OpenVMS, so this is almost meaningless to us...  >t  F VMS held off until the 3D work was complete.  Tru64 delivered 2D as an intermediate step.  H > I hope to see the official announcement of VX1 (or better) for OpenVMSI > on an ES47 soon (and then I hope to win the lotto jackpot to be able to  > buy a such a machine ;-)  K The AGP, and then the PCI version of the Radeon will be released planned ino March.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:35:20 -0500sA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>t Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questiont. Message-ID: <3e35b428$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>   >eJ > As long as the required ECOs (VMS731_GRAPHICS and VMS731_UPDATE) are notE > out (and state that they will enable Radeon support) the ATI is not K > supported by OpenVMS. But it is clearly a good sign to see support comingl !o >V   Think March as a ECO kit.y  D > Next question will then be, in which workstations this ATI will be	 supported  > besides the ES47...g >i  G AGP systems first.  But a PCI version of the 7500 will also be sold.  I L don't have the timing of the HW introduction available.  It will replace theK VX1 as the standard offering for 2D (it is *faster* than the TGA2) and with L an Open3D license will outperform the P350 on most things (at about 1/10 the cost).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:46:02 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>N Subject: RE: EV7, ES47 questiona9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEENFGHAA.tom@kednos.com>a   >-----Original Message-----nG >From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com] ' >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:31 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question >n >e >p/ >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in messagee4 >news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOELCGHAA.tom@kednos.com... >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----/ >> >From: Michael Unger [mailto:unger@decus.de]l* >> >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:09 AM >> >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw# >> >Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questioni >> > >> >3 >> >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:e >> > >> >> [...]h >> >>iG >> >> What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...)n >> >J >> >There has been an announcement of the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller"J >> >for AlphaServer systems and the installation guide is available at theG >> >Q/HP web site. It explicitely describes the configuration for Tru64  >> >and VMS. >>J >> VMS is not mentioned as supported for the 7500, only the VX1, either in >> PCI or AGP form factor. >> >nK >The VMS and Tru64 3D code will be release ca March.  There may be 2D Tru64t= >code out there right now - we felt we would ship it with theh >complete 2D and1 >3D implementation without the intermediate step.p >e5 >> Now all you need is a desktop system to put it in.M >> >c5 >Well, you can put a ES45 on a *very* strong desk ;-)  >s  J Well if you can afford an ES45, then you should be able to afford a strong desk:-)n  K I had the impression that the Compaq strategy was that the desktop belonged.E to Wintel boxes and that VMS was targeted at the server market, and I  assumedmJ that HP was continuing that strategy.  Note, for example, the nomenclature foryA licensing, the low end is not called desktop, but workgroup as in-  I http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/software/info/refmat/swl_syschart.htmle  7 The following does however use the term "Alphastations"   F http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/software/info/refmat/swl_alpha.html  H Now I don't read too much into a given web page, deep in the bowels of a siteK but wasn't there once a desktop category in the licensing scheme of things?w  G So the note about graphics controllers didn't go unnoticed, I'm sure iti would A be nice for VMS sysadmins, but hardly a pressing need, so why the  controllers?   Tomp             ---u& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:53:24 -0800d# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: EV7, ES47 question 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICENGGHAA.tom@kednos.com>n   Can the drivers be downloaded?   >-----Original Message-----yG >From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com]u' >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:35 PMf >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question >u >g >, >>K >> As long as the required ECOs (VMS731_GRAPHICS and VMS731_UPDATE) are not F >> out (and state that they will enable Radeon support) the ATI is notL >> supported by OpenVMS. But it is clearly a good sign to see support coming >! >> >  >Think March as a ECO kit. >cE >> Next question will then be, in which workstations this ATI will be 
 >supported >> besides the ES47... >> >nH >AGP systems first.  But a PCI version of the 7500 will also be sold.  IA >don't have the timing of the HW introduction available.  It willi >replace theL >VX1 as the standard offering for 2D (it is *faster* than the TGA2) and with> >an Open3D license will outperform the P350 on most things (at >about 1/10 theD >cost).B >D >C >i >r >n >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.f; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).rB >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002 >e ---h& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/2002J   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:14:32 -0500e2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2701032214320001@user-2ive2rc.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEENFGHAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:   L >I had the impression that the Compaq strategy was that the desktop belongedF >to Wintel boxes and that VMS was targeted at the server market, and I >assumedK >that HP was continuing that strategy.  Note, for example, the nomenclaturee >forB >licensing, the low end is not called desktop, but workgroup as in  G IIRC, the workgroup/departmental/enterprise VMS license tiers have beenm around for a number of years.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:01:29 -0500r' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>@- Subject: Re: Firesafes Was: How to Backup OSX.< Message-ID: <howard-D177E8.23012927012003@enews.newsguy.com>  & In article <H9Dsqx.52H@world.std.com>,/  bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) wrote:   > > In article <howard-5D5596.01275027012003@enews.newsguy.com>,+ > Howard S Shubs  <howard@shubs.net> wrote:h1 > > In article <87wukswku3.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,a2 > >  Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote: >  > > > Sorry, wrong link, use4 > > > http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/colless/StromloFire/ > >  > > What HAPPENED??e > 	 > Aliens.a  9 You look up their nostrils long enough, they get annoyed?r   -- g4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 15:22:26 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)C6 Subject: First OpenVMS Technical Journal now available= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0301271522.34cd28ae@posting.google.com>u  ; I will also post this announcment from the office tomorrow.   C It is my pleasure to announce the availability of the first OpenVMSl? Technical Journal.  Sincere  thanks go to the  VTJ Team of JoannB Winslow, OpenVMS Documentation Manager; Warren Sander, OpenVMS WebD Master; and Steve Hoffman, Senior Member of Technical Staff. Special; thanks to Suzy Kane, Cindy Painter, and Carolyn Crowell for0? writing/editing support. Without them this journal would not bea	 possible.t  3 To view the OpenVMS Technical Journal please visit:'. http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/  
 Warm Regards,t
 Sue Skonetskiw Editor   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:35:59 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: First OpenVMS Technical Journal now availableJ Message-ID: <znjZ9.206285$pDv.141510@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0301271522.34cd28ae@posting.google.com...w= > I will also post this announcment from the office tomorrow.a >oE > It is my pleasure to announce the availability of the first OpenVMSmA > Technical Journal.  Sincere  thanks go to the  VTJ Team of Joan D > Winslow, OpenVMS Documentation Manager; Warren Sander, OpenVMS WebF > Master; and Steve Hoffman, Senior Member of Technical Staff. Special= > thanks to Suzy Kane, Cindy Painter, and Carolyn Crowell forkA > writing/editing support. Without them this journal would not bea > possible.o >f5 > To view the OpenVMS Technical Journal please visit:n0 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/ >i > Warm Regards,s > Sue Skonetski  > Editor    F Thanks to all for the effort. A publication like this is long overdue.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:12:38 -08001$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>< Subject: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question0 Message-ID: <01C2C605.E5096710@sulfer.icius.com>  A This begs the question, will VMS support the Radeon's 3D graphicsVE acceleration? OK, so the 7500 is a couple of generations out of date,d0 but I'd still like to tinker with OpenGL on VMS.  G Next question would be whether the newer Radeons will be supported. The E 9700 is impressive to say the least. ATI do seem to be unifying theirpH drivers somewhat, although I don't think they're as far along as nVidia.  F I'd also love to know why go with ATI over nVidia. It looks to me likeB driver support for new models would be much easier with the nVidia- approach. Are there licensing issues perhaps?2   Shane.   -----Original Message-----8 From: peter@langstoeger.at [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]' Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:53 PM0 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 question<    D In article <b131nj$um370$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>, "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes: / >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in messaget3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOELCGHAA.tom@kednos.com... / >> >From: Michael Unger [mailto:unger@decus.de]f* >> >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:09 AM >> >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # >> >Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questionn >> >3 >> >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:i >> >> [...]  >> >>eG >> >> What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...)e >> >J >> >There has been an announcement of the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller"J >> >for AlphaServer systems and the installation guide is available at theG >> >Q/HP web site. It explicitely describes the configuration for Tru64c >> >and VMS. >>J >> VMS is not mentioned as supported for the 7500, only the VX1, either in >> PCI or AGP form factor. >y >But...aM >The PDF installation guide for the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller" provides / >a whole chapter on installation under OpenVMS., >You need V7.3-1 plus eco's.D >Clearly the lack of mention of OpenVMS in the web page is either an >oversight or obfustication..!  H As long as the required ECOs (VMS731_GRAPHICS and VMS731_UPDATE) are notC out (and state that they will enable Radeon support) the ATI is not B supported by OpenVMS. But it is clearly a good sign to see support coming !  B Next question will then be, in which workstations this ATI will be	 supported  besides the ES47...o   -- d Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER9% Network and OpenVMS system specialists E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:39:40 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>e@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question. Message-ID: <3e35b52d$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  1 "Shane Smith" <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in messageA* news:01C2C605.E5096710@sulfer.icius.com...C > This begs the question, will VMS support the Radeon's 3D graphics G > acceleration? OK, so the 7500 is a couple of generations out of date,D2 > but I'd still like to tinker with OpenGL on VMS. >   I YES.  VMS AND TRU64 ARE COMMON SOURCE.  YOU WILL NEED A OPEN3D LICENSE TOe USE OPENGL.   I > Next question would be whether the newer Radeons will be supported. TheaG > 9700 is impressive to say the least. ATI do seem to be unifying theireJ > drivers somewhat, although I don't think they're as far along as nVidia. >o  D WE WILL BE WORKING ON THE 9K SERIES (R300) AFTER WE PORT THE CURRENT GRAPHICS TO IPF.  H > I'd also love to know why go with ATI over nVidia. It looks to me likeD > driver support for new models would be much easier with the nVidia/ > approach. Are there licensing issues perhaps?  >s  H NVIDEA WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE TIME OF DAY, LET ALONE SPECS, CODE OR HELP.+ ATI WILL AT LEAST GIVE YOU THE TIME OF DAY.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:18:34 +0100 < From: "julien courtemanche" <julien.courtemanche@wanadoo.fr>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?3 Message-ID: <b140mf$gr2$1@news-reader10.wanadoo.fr>m   hello,  9 this post is just an user experience for answer to you...l  H it is a web site for the tracing of my customer one of the french leaderK in express parcel delivery. (I give this answer with my own name so i can't  give more details name or url)  : the activy is concentrated on three or four hours per day.  G we using the cgiplus fonctionnality of wasd with the scripting language0@ PYTHON and purveyor with exe for the old part of the web site...  " one (little) farm of two servers : Alphaserver 800  internet:2Mb/s VMS:7.23 ram:2Gb1 storage: hsz
 Wasd:7.2.2 no SSL# max noted value 600 request/minutesd   Alphaserver 800  internet:256Kb/s VMS:7.2a ram:2Gbm storage: hsz
 Wasd:7.2.2 no SSL$ max noted value  400 request/minutes  " the load average is ever under 50%   one database server :s ES45 VMS:7.3l
 oracle RDB storage: HSG   In summary :B 1000 request per minutes => 60000 req/ hour =>   1440000 req / dayK this value is generated by the business's level of my customer and with the # same configuration, we could twice.a  G if your database server can process all the request in your window timej) (just database question not a web one)...n@ and your internet link have a good size (and now it is not an OS
 question)....GG you can choose OpenVMS !!! but forget what you have seen under linux...YD because (according to me) couple apache/php is not the good way !!!!   thanks      > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> a crit dans le message de news:= 1%iY9.96274$ej1.26146@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...?E > Does anyone know of any currently VMS-hosted web servers that has a G > page hit rate of between 1-2 million pages per day that I can cite asi+ > references (either officially or ad hoc)?, >4 >1D > I've come across an opportunity that needs to be able to handle atF > least this many page hits in an 8 hour window as DHTML page requestsC > via SSL. Of course it would have to be load balanced and failoveru
 > capable. >q >tC > I'd like to get some sense of  the size of the h/w and web serverl > software used as well. >eE > In the 'old' days, one used to be able to use Amazon as an example.i1 > How about some of the European stock exchanges?l >y >lF > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/  provides some other stats (notH > hits) if you know which site to search for. Any other sites similar toA > this out there?...I thought I saw a mention of something in covt+ > recently but I can't seem to find it now.u >$	 > Thanks.  >f >L   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:37:25 -0500o, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?. Message-ID: <YTfZ9.513$pS7.6@news.cpqcorp.net>  A The external OpenVMS server gets about 1,000,000 hits/week. about- 50,000,000/year.  H I was on an AS1000 266 mhz w/128MB memory and everything worked fine. In6 december I upgraded to a DS20e, 2GBmemory, 2 866 cpu's and it's doing fine.  K EVERY page on the site has 5 main includes (the header info *united states*oA & the search stuff, 3 left nav sections and trailer). In additiontJ there is a nested include in the trailer to get the keylime, webtrendsliveK and omniture scripts loaded. That is a lot of server side includes going onMK and the system is using next to no cputime. here is part of 'server-status'12 for today.(btw the site is gened for 255 servers).  . Current Time: Monday, 27-Jan-2003 14:33:52 EST. Restart Time: Monday, 27-Jan-2003 00:11:06 EST Parent Server Generation: 49- Server uptime: 14 hours 22 minutes 46 seconds . Total accesses: 104225 - Total Traffic: 2.0 GB. CPU Usage: u138.39 s0 cu0 cs0 - .267% CPU load4 2.01 requests/sec - 40.6 kB/second - 20.2 kB/request5 6 requests currently being processed, 34 idle serversf  G "julien courtemanche" <julien.courtemanche@wanadoo.fr> wrote in messageu- news:b140mf$gr2$1@news-reader10.wanadoo.fr...l > hello, > ; > this post is just an user experience for answer to you...  >tJ > it is a web site for the tracing of my customer one of the french leaderG > in express parcel delivery. (I give this answer with my own name so i  can't'  > give more details name or url) >s< > the activy is concentrated on three or four hours per day. >nI > we using the cgiplus fonctionnality of wasd with the scripting languagepB > PYTHON and purveyor with exe for the old part of the web site... >h$ > one (little) farm of two servers : > Alphaserver 800s > internet:2Mb/s	 > VMS:7.2t	 > ram:2GbA > storage: hsz > Wasd:7.2.2 > no SSL% > max noted value 600 request/minutes= >= > Alphaserver 800o > internet:256Kb/s	 > VMS:7.2D	 > ram:2Gbl > storage: hsz > Wasd:7.2.2 > no SSL& > max noted value  400 request/minutes >i$ > the load average is ever under 50% >  > one database server :  > ES45	 > VMS:7.3= > oracle RDB > storage: HSG >= > In summary :D > 1000 request per minutes => 60000 req/ hour =>   1440000 req / dayI > this value is generated by the business's level of my customer and with: theq% > same configuration, we could twice.  >sI > if your database server can process all the request in your window times+ > (just database question not a web one)... B > and your internet link have a good size (and now it is not an OS > question)....8I > you can choose OpenVMS !!! but forget what you have seen under linux...lF > because (according to me) couple apache/php is not the good way !!!! >1 > thanks >1 >, >,@ > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> a crit dans le message de news:? > 1%iY9.96274$ej1.26146@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...SG > > Does anyone know of any currently VMS-hosted web servers that has a0I > > page hit rate of between 1-2 million pages per day that I can cite as - > > references (either officially or ad hoc)?  > >  > >uF > > I've come across an opportunity that needs to be able to handle atH > > least this many page hits in an 8 hour window as DHTML page requestsE > > via SSL. Of course it would have to be load balanced and failoverv > > capable. > >  > >LE > > I'd like to get some sense of  the size of the h/w and web serverZ > > software used as well. > >tG > > In the 'old' days, one used to be able to use Amazon as an example. 3 > > How about some of the European stock exchanges?  > >e > > H > > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/  provides some other stats (notJ > > hits) if you know which site to search for. Any other sites similar toC > > this out there?...I thought I saw a mention of something in cov - > > recently but I can't seem to find it now.= > >= > > Thanks.= > >= > >= >  >A   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:20:45 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>0* Subject: RE: High hit rate VMS Web server?T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660CF0@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Jeffrey,  F >>>The slow part is going to be usually between the web server and theF Internet (T1, etc) while the connection between the web server and theB system running the application will probably be at least 100MB.<<<  C Something to keep in mind is that TCPware (Process Software) V5.6-2cG provides a feature called paired network interface which imho is prettyiB cool. We are using it on a large VAX to Alpha migration project in9 Toronto that is slated to go live in mid April timeframe.l  B This feature provides both automatic fail-over and fail-back TCPIP availability features.=20e  B While its primary design is for availability, with a pair of CiscoH 4006's (what we have - other switches trunked together would likely alsoE work) it also allows one to make multiple 100Mb/Gb network interfaces F (on different PCI buses and network switches) appear as one virtual IP address.=20t  H We were able to start telnet session to the virtual IP address, pull theD cable on the physical link where the session was established and theE telnet session automatically flipped and continued on the backup linkiC connected to the other Cisco 4006. After the cable was put back in, D approx 60 sec's later, the same telnet session automatically flipped= back to the original port - no impact on that telnet session.   D It provides a form of transmit load balancing as well in that if theC primary link is busy, it will transmit data on one of the alternate B links. This would be of use in large FTP transfers where Customers$ download large files from your site.   Regards-  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services) Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)9 OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM      -----Original Message-----@ From: Jeffrey Coffield [mailto:jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com]=20 Sent: January 26, 2003 5:13 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?     JF Mezei wrote:   I > Are there other methods ? Which is used most ? Can one truly achieve=20 F > high performance with network link between the web server and CGI=20 > process ?T  F The slow part is going to be usually between the web server and the=20I Internet (T1, etc) while the connection between the web server and the=20w? system running the application will probably be at least 100MB.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:56:16 -0600e- From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com>rY Subject: RE: How to determine programmatically that a disk is mounted priv	ate (or group)=J Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16580@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C646.8887D990d Content-Type: text/plain;4 	charset="iso-8859-1"=  ; Try the lexical function of f$getdvi("device:","LOGVOLNAM")a     NODE_B::SYSTEM> sh dev dk-  L Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntdL  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnte> NODE_A$DKA0:            Mounted alloc        0  (remote mount) 1 L NODE_B$DKA0:            Mounted alloc        0  ALPHASYS      15834852     1 1h. NODE_B$DKC0:            Online               0 NODE_B::SYSTEM> sh dev dga100s  L Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans Mnt L  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntpL $1$DGA100:    (NODE_B)  Mounted              0  OVMS_DSK       3749620     1 2J  E NODE_B::SYSTEM> write sys$output f$getdvi("NODE_B$DKA0:","LOGVOLNAM")J  E NODE_B::SYSTEM> write sys$output f$getdvi("NODE_A$DKA0:","LOGVOLNAM"))  C NODE_B::SYSTEM> write sys$output f$getdvi("$1$DGA100:","LOGVOLNAM")n
 DISK$OVMS_DSKt        K If you mount the device local to your process, the LOGVOLAM will be set andt4 the lexcial command f$getdvi will report it as such:    + NODE_A::BRANDON> mount/over=id NODE_A$DKA0:s3 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, ALPHASYS mounted on _NODE_A$DKA0:'G NODE_A::BRANDON>  write sys$output f$getdvi("NODE_A$DKA0:","LOGVOLNAM") 
 DISK$ALPHASYS          John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fxa       -----Original Message-----' From: Hans Vlems [mailto:hvlems@iae.nl]-& Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:56 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComeE Subject: Re: How to determine programmatically that a disk is mountedN private (or group)    K Perhaps the easiest way is to check whether the logical name DISK$<label of  disk>hA exists in the SYSTEM logical name table or not. I.e. use $trnlnm.g  5 "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> schreef in bericht 2 news:h1oa3vgvmo2fqt5jhqgf6o4dtf6lb4hft9@4ax.com...I > I've done some Googol searches on the subject, but can't find anything.r ThenF > question is: how can you determine, programmatically, that a disk is mounted1K > privately or group-wide, rather than /SYSTEM. SHOW DEVICE /FULL knows how9 to do G > it, but I can't see anything in $GETDVI or the I/O User's Guide whichu explains > what it is looking at. >iH > Here is what I see with SHOW DEVICE /FULL on a privately mounted disk: >b > $ sho dev dka113 /full >sC > Disk $1$DKA113: (HSJ002), device type RZ28, is online, allocated,e
 deallocate onsF >     dismount, mounted, file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, >     error logging is enabled.: >         .  >         .m >         .c3 >     Mount status             Process   Cache names "_$1$DUA111:XQPCACHE"A >s6 > How does it determine "Process" as the mount status?K > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- K > David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comiK > Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)tK > -------------------------------------------------------------------------n  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C646.8887D990l Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"o+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">e <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =b charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12"> E <TITLE>RE: How to determine programmatically that a disk is mounted =s private (or group)</TITLE> </HEAD>y <BODY>  / <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Try the lexical function of =j: f$getdvi(&quot;device:&quot;,&quot;LOGVOLNAM&quot;)</FONT> </P> <BR>  5 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>NODE_B::SYSTEM&gt; sh dev dk</FONT>s </P>  
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 Mnt</FONT> <BR><FONT =hI SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=e9 ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =iD Status&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = Count&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = G Label&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Blocks Count Cnt</FONT>  <BR><FONT =tI SIZE=3D2>NODE_A$DKA0:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=II sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mounted alloc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =h 0&nbsp; (remote =eI mount)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=m' &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1</FONT>e <BR><FONT =-I SIZE=3D2>NODE_B$DKA0:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=hI sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mounted alloc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = 0 0&nbsp; ALPHASYS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =7 15834852&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1</FONT>. <BR><FONT =5I SIZE=3D2>NODE_B$DKC0:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=  sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =MI Online&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=q &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0</FONT>2: <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>NODE_B::SYSTEM&gt; sh dev dga100</FONT> </P>  
 <P><FONT =I SIZE=3D2>Device&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=k/ sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =GD Device&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = Error&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =yI Volume&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Free&nbsp; Trans =:
 Mnt</FONT> <BR><FONT =>I SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=u9 ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = D Status&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = Count&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =oG Label&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Blocks Count Cnt</FONT>>@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$1$DGA100:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (NODE_B)&nbsp; =I Mounted&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=lD ;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; OVMS_DSK&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =6 3749620&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2</FONT> </P>  7 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>NODE_B::SYSTEM&gt; write sys$output =f? f$getdvi(&quot;NODE_B$DKA0:&quot;,&quot;LOGVOLNAM&quot;)</FONT>p </P>  7 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>NODE_B::SYSTEM&gt; write sys$output =!? f$getdvi(&quot;NODE_A$DKA0:&quot;,&quot;LOGVOLNAM&quot;)</FONT>T </P>  7 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>NODE_B::SYSTEM&gt; write sys$output =t= f$getdvi(&quot;$1$DGA100:&quot;,&quot;LOGVOLNAM&quot;)</FONT>s' <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DISK$OVMS_DSK</FONT>t </P> <BR> <BR> <BR>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you mount the device local to your process, the =I LOGVOLAM will be set and the lexcial command f$getdvi will report it as =  such:</FONT></P> <BR>  7 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>NODE_A::BRANDON&gt; mount/over=3Did =a NODE_A$DKA0:</FONT>-: <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, ALPHASYS mounted on = _NODE_A$DKA0:</FONT>? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>NODE_A::BRANDON&gt;&nbsp; write sys$output =7? f$getdvi(&quot;NODE_A$DKA0:&quot;,&quot;LOGVOLNAM&quot;)</FONT> ' <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DISK$ALPHASYS</FONT>m </P> <BR> <BR> <BR>  % <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Brandon</FONT> 3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT>U. <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>y) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT>n </P> <BR> <BR>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>s) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Hans Vlems [<A = > HREF=3D"mailto:hvlems@iae.nl">mailto:hvlems@iae.nl</A>]</FONT>@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:56 PM</FONT>3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>yH <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: How to determine programmatically that = a disk is mounted</FONT>, <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>private (or group)</FONT> </P> <BR>  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Perhaps the easiest way is to check whether the =y% logical name DISK$&lt;label of</FONT>-" <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>disk&gt;</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>exists in the SYSTEM logical name table or not. I.e. =l use $trnlnm.</FONT>o </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;David M Smith&quot; &lt;dsmit115@csc.com&gt; = schreef in bericht</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A = : HREF=3D"news:h1oa3vgvmo2fqt5jhqgf6o4dtf6lb4hft9@4ax.com" =I TARGET=3D"_blank">news:h1oa3vgvmo2fqt5jhqgf6o4dtf6lb4hft9@4ax.com</A>...=- </FONT>bH <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I've done some Googol searches on the subject, = but can't find anything.</FONT>6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The</FONT>.= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; question is: how can you determine, =e' programmatically, that a disk is</FONT> ! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>mounted</FONT>rG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; privately or group-wide, rather than /SYSTEM. = " SHOW DEVICE /FULL knows how</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to do</FONT>tH <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; it, but I can't see anything in $GETDVI or the = I/O User's Guide which</FONT>t" <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>explains</FONT>5 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; what it is looking at.</FONT>a <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Here is what I see with SHOW DEVICE /FULL on a = privately mounted disk:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>5 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; $ sho dev dka113 /full</FONT>r <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Disk $1$DKA113: (HSJ002), device type RZ28, is = online, allocated,</FONT>l' <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>deallocate on</FONT>lD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; dismount, mounted, =4 file-oriented device, shareable, available to</FONT>" <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>cluster,</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; error logging is = enabled.</FONT>nI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =  </FONT> I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =  </FONT>oI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =- </FONT>-7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mount =lI status&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=7, &nbsp; Process&nbsp;&nbsp; Cache name</FONT>9 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;_$1$DUA111:XQPCACHE&quot;</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; How does it determine &quot;Process&quot; as = the mount status?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; =sI ------------------------------------------------------------------------=q -</FONT>( <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; David M. Smith =I 302.391.8533&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= I &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=t  dsmit115 at csc dot com</FONT> + <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Computer Sciences =gG Corporation&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Opinions are those of the writer =o only)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; =uI ------------------------------------------------------------------------=0 -</FONT> </P>   </BODY>T </HTML>") ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C646.8887D990--q   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:55:34 +0100-" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>X Subject: Re: How to determine programmatically that a disk is mounted private (or group)5 Message-ID: <b142s7$v9g6p$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>e  K Perhaps the easiest way is to check whether the logical name DISK$<label ofg disk>wA exists in the SYSTEM logical name table or not. I.e. use $trnlnm.O  5 "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> schreef in berichte2 news:h1oa3vgvmo2fqt5jhqgf6o4dtf6lb4hft9@4ax.com...I > I've done some Googol searches on the subject, but can't find anything.  The F > question is: how can you determine, programmatically, that a disk is mounted>K > privately or group-wide, rather than /SYSTEM. SHOW DEVICE /FULL knows hown to do G > it, but I can't see anything in $GETDVI or the I/O User's Guide which" explains > what it is looking at. >nH > Here is what I see with SHOW DEVICE /FULL on a privately mounted disk: >i > $ sho dev dka113 /full >6C > Disk $1$DKA113: (HSJ002), device type RZ28, is online, allocated,0
 deallocate on,F >     dismount, mounted, file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, >     error logging is enabled.2 >         .d >         .i >         .f3 >     Mount status             Process   Cache name  "_$1$DUA111:XQPCACHE"t >i6 > How does it determine "Process" as the mount status?K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------dK > David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comfK > Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)hK > -------------------------------------------------------------------------r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:47:21 -0600f1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>lY Subject: Re: How to determine programmatically that a disk is mounted private (or group) f' Message-ID: <3E359AD9.A0267940@fsi.net>h   David M Smith wrote: > M > I've done some Googol searches on the subject, but can't find anything. TherN > question is: how can you determine, programmatically, that a disk is mountedQ > privately or group-wide, rather than /SYSTEM. SHOW DEVICE /FULL knows how to docP > it, but I can't see anything in $GETDVI or the I/O User's Guide which explains > what it is looking at. > H > Here is what I see with SHOW DEVICE /FULL on a privately mounted disk: >  > $ sho dev dka113 /full > Q > Disk $1$DKA113: (HSJ002), device type RZ28, is online, allocated, deallocate oncO >     dismount, mounted, file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster,- >     error logging is enabled.  >         .0 >         .0 >         .TP >     Mount status             Process   Cache name        "_$1$DUA111:XQPCACHE" > 6 > How does it determine "Process" as the mount status?  H Well, by me, you left out the important part: The Owner PID. I generally> consider that if F$GETDVI( "ddcu:", "MNT" ) returns "TRUE" andE "F$GETDVI( "ddcu:", "pid" ) returns "00000000" or a null string, thenEH the device is not MOUNTed privately to my job/process. So, I just assumeA it's MOUNTed to the system/cluster. If F$GETDVI( "ddcu:", "PID" )eH returns a (non-null) PID other than "00000000", then at least I know who? has the device MOUNTed privately. Better double check that in ah clustered environment, however.i   Does this help?    -- o David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:35:58 -0500 5 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com>i- Subject: Re: LOCALE COMPILE access violation.l/ Message-ID: <v3c25s6em8k154@corp.supernews.com>t  I This is probably a previously unnoticed incompatibility between the MarchtJ 2002 ACRTL ECO and the LOCALE image.  If you roll back that ECO, I suspect the problem goes away.  I Also, if you upgrade to a supported version of OpenVMS (OpenVMS V7.2-2 orcE later), you have a better chance of not hitting this bug.  If you canoK reproduce this on a supported version of the OS, it might be time to notify G the Customer Support Center and have them escalate this to engineering.e  
 Brad McCuskerr OpenVMS C RTL Project Leader OpenVMS Engineering7
 Nashua NH USA     4 "Andrey Savin" <avs@nikom.tagil.ru> wrote in message7 news:96faaf36.0301270110.6979760a@posting.google.com...E > I'm take sample script fromn >"L http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/HTML/AA-Q0R4C-TE _html/i18nCH7.html > type command! > $locale compile de_DE_ISO8859-1d= > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  > address=000000000000( > 0000, PC=FFFFFFFF8057B528, PS=0000001B >g4 >   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.3 >     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 3 >                         Name   = 000000000000000Cs3 >                                  0000000000000000 3 >                                  0000000000000000d3 >                                  FFFFFFFF8057B528u3 >                                  000000000000001Bw >e >     Register dump:; >     R0  = 00000000000C60D8  R1  = 000000007BEED1A0  R2  =r > 000000007BEA7E58; >     R3  = 000000000008069C  R4  = 0000000000080660  R5  =m > 00000000000806A0; >     R6  = 0000000000000000  R7  = 00000000000C60D9  R8  =p > 0000000000000000; >     R9  = 00000000000C60D8  R10 = 000000007FFAD238  R11 =  > 000000007FFCE3E0; >     R12 = 0000000000000000  R13 = 000000007B01C330  R14 =  > FFFFFFFF80F7A940; >     R15 = 000000007B01B990  R16 = 00000000000C60D9  R17 =  > 0000000000000000; >     R18 = 000000007AEE7A68  R19 = 000000000000D530  R20 =  > 0000000000000001; >     R21 = 000000000000FFFF  R22 = 00000000000C60D8  R23 =_ > 0000000000000001; >     R24 = 0000000100000000  R25 = 0000000000000001  R26 =n > FFFFFFFF8057AA40; >     R27 = 000000007BEA7E58  R28 = 00000000000C69A0  R29 =  > 000000007AEE79F0; >     SP  = 000000007AEE79F0  PC  = FFFFFFFF8057B528  PS  =o > 300000000000001B >i > It's wwork ? > VMS 7.2-1h   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 13:19:49 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young), Subject: RE: Marvel Performanceo3 Message-ID: <OthQB30oWECT@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  W In article <01C2C5F1.19FF57F0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:t > Give the man a cigar.t >   @ 	Eh?  Not a big deal, but it does appear I came in several hours= 	earlier (according to Google and timestamps here on Eisner).s   				Robn   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Steve Spires [mailto:Steve.Spires@torex.com]( > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:00 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc! > Subject: RE: Marvel Performanceg >  > H > My best guess is a reference to a Pink Floyd album, where a flying pig, > was pictured over battersea power station. > 	 > Steve S7 >    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 16:33:27 -08000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)C Subject: Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performancee= Message-ID: <948f0720.0301271633.7fd65970@posting.google.com>   Z p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message news:<B5rPB4Q7ocjo@elias.decus.ch>...W > In article <00A1A897.1E7B0AB1@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: e > > In article <Dc429lt6SwJe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: ` > >>In article <87ptqlyu7b.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: <...< S > > This was a "highlight" of my stay in London.  We stayed at the Thistle VictoriatT > > (next to and with an annex to Victoria station) and from our hotel room we could > > see the power station.   <...>m  B Now that you know what it looks like, keep an eye open for variousF films in which it has starred. The scenes always have a strange air ofE familiarity, and end by panning back to the 4 chimneys which give theV
 game away.  E I think one was a Dr Who, and another a James Bond-like film where itlA was the scene for a terrorist camp in some banana republic. MaybehE there are others -- there seems to be a market for derelict factories 
 as film sets.d   Chris    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 03 05:47:53 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)oC Subject: Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performancet) Message-ID: <qJKBB2VhPr0t@elias.decus.ch>h  U In article <00A1A8CD.EC05F073@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:gW > In article <B5rPB4Q7ocjo@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:7 >>{...snip...} >>> . >>> http://www.tmesis.com/where_is_the_pig.jpg >>
 >>A nice pic.t > N > Took that from the train with the wide angle.  Before we take off this time,M > I hope to have a polarizing filter which will fit that large lens and avoidLA > things like the reflection of the lights in the train's window.: >e  # Still not a bad shot from a train.     > G >>An interesting use of another former power station is the Tate ModerneG >>art gallery in London. I am told that the sheer size and space of the : >>place is something you need to experience to appreciate. >>+ >>http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/default.htm  > M > Last time the Tate was mentioned here, I was labelled right-wing extremist.y >   L My sincere apologies. Google just reminded my what an unpleasant thread that developed into.    -- r
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:00:19 -0000o- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)o2 Subject: Re: OT-ish: Opteron servers now available5 Message-ID: <9310B5D42warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>c  3 jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca (JF Mezei) wrote in1% <3E2F0690.CA44E26C@vl.videotron.ca>: i  B >On what grounds would Microsoft have the legal ability to conduct( >software audits at its customer sites ?  
 -- snip --  F I think if you read their (extensive) licensing materials you'll find L they've granted themselves that right.  I seem to recall 3rd-hand rumblings G about threats of audits when they rolled through our company.  Shortly  J thereafter, they declared their biggest revenue quarter of all time.  For 1 the record, we are a not-for-profit organization.    ws   -- Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  + ** What's brown and sticky?    A stick.  **a   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 15:24:17 -0800! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro) - Subject: Re: Raid failed apparently good diskV< Message-ID: <d5440555.0301271524.8c698b7@posting.google.com>  U grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu wrote in message news:<fAUjMLak+Zgo@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>...cH > Are the disks really identical?  If the disk organization is differentC > in any way, setting them up as hardware mirror is likely to fail.t  D I have no other 6603 around. One thing I mistaked (it was soooo lateC when I wrote that first message): it's a RAID 0 array. So downline,TC correct me if I'm wrong, I either get the old disk up somehow, or Is can forget the array.a  E What is still bugging me is why does this disk appear as ok eveywheree _else_?r Only where it's needed, not.   :( S'   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:21:44 GMT0/ From: "Curtis Justus" <donotspamme@foo.bar.edu> . Subject: Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer; Message-ID: <YOlZ9.62222$Gm2.1499699@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>l   Hello!  I I have connected a printer from my OpenVMS server to a Windows 2000 print J server running Print Services for UNIX.  I need to send an escape sequenceJ at the beginning of every print job.  I'm guessing there is a file or some@ place in the configuration where I could set that... right?  ;-)   Thanks in advance, cj   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 04:53:43 GMTb$ From: Steve Young <sdyoung@well.com>8 Subject: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC; Message-ID: <r1oZ9.134447$H7.5454200@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>o     Hello,  B   I have obtained a copy of the VAX 7.3 hobbyist kit, and I have aB CD-ROM capable of doing 512-byte sectors.  However, when I put it @ in my external enclosure and hook it up to my VAX, what I see at
 boot-time is:o   ?? 001   9        NI  0172 ?? 150  10      SCSI  0034  9   after the mem. check has completed.  SHOW DEV gives me:l  O   VMS/VMB      ADDR      DEVTYPE    NUMBYTES     RM/FX    WP    DEVNAM      REV O   -------      ----      -------    --------     -----    --    ------      ---r    ESA0         08-00-2B-BB-4E-8AP   DKA300       A/3/0     DISK         1.05GB      FX            RZ26L       442D                A/5/0                A/5/1                A/5/2                A/5/3                A/5/4                A/5/5                A/5/6                A/5/7  ..HostID..    A/6       INITR    M   My CD is set to SCSI ID 5.  If I change that setting then the 8 A/5 entries K in the middle change to reflect whatever the new ID is.  So it's seeing theu@ drive, but it appears to be doing something weird with the LUNs.  K   I have termination disabled on my CD-ROM, and have plugged the terminator M that came with the system into the other port of the external enclosure.  TheaK first port on the enclosure is obviously directly connected to the vax withJ& the requesite 50-pin centronics cable.  I   Can anyone offer me some suggestions as to what I might be doing wrong?c  	   Thanks,s   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:31:30 -0500b, From: David Michaels <michaedi@email.uc.edu>< Subject: Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC, Message-ID: <3E3623C2.865B3A53@email.uc.edu>   Steve Young wrote: > 
 >   Hello, > D >   I have obtained a copy of the VAX 7.3 hobbyist kit, and I have aC > CD-ROM capable of doing 512-byte sectors.  However, when I put it B > in my external enclosure and hook it up to my VAX, what I see at > boot-time is:u >  > ?? 001   9        NI  0172 > ?? 150  10      SCSI  0034 > ; >   after the mem. check has completed.  SHOW DEV gives me:e > Q >   VMS/VMB      ADDR      DEVTYPE    NUMBYTES     RM/FX    WP    DEVNAM      REVnQ >   -------      ----      -------    --------     -----    --    ------      ---s" >   ESA0         08-00-2B-BB-4E-8AR >   DKA300       A/3/0     DISK         1.05GB      FX            RZ26L       442D >                A/5/0 >                A/5/1 >                A/5/2 >                A/5/3 >                A/5/4 >                A/5/5 >                A/5/6 >                A/5/7  >  ..HostID..    A/6       INITR > O >   My CD is set to SCSI ID 5.  If I change that setting then the 8 A/5 entries.M > in the middle change to reflect whatever the new ID is.  So it's seeing theeB > drive, but it appears to be doing something weird with the LUNs. > M >   I have termination disabled on my CD-ROM, and have plugged the terminatorsO > that came with the system into the other port of the external enclosure.  TheaM > first port on the enclosure is obviously directly connected to the vax withs( > the requesite 50-pin centronics cable. > K >   Can anyone offer me some suggestions as to what I might be doing wrong?  >  >   Thanks, 
 >   Steve.     Hi t  B I would try scsi ID 1 or 2 or 4 because they don't appear used and' because they only require one jumper :)0   David Michaels michaedi@email.uc.edu    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 21:26:26 -0800$ From: leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth)( Subject: VAXcluster support of database?< Message-ID: <d0e744c9.0301272126.7c5e6aa@posting.google.com>  : In an article on Dell moving DB servers from Sun platforms9 to a Dell-based Linux cluster, comes the following quote:   6 "Running databases on clusters of computers has been a? technically difficult task, which so far has been achieved only < by Hewlett-Packard's NonStop group (formerly the independent< company Tandem) and by NCR's Teradata group, said Illuminata> analyst Jonathan Eunice, but it's starting to become workable.; It works best with databases from which computers read datar- often but don't have to write as frequently."n  : Full article at: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981893.html  : My question: Wasn't a version of Oracle DB VMS-clusterable, and thus should have been mentioned as well?   Thanks,n   Lees   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:34:49 GMToL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"), Subject: Re: VAXcluster support of database?6 Message-ID: <00A1A9D4.6269F78C@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  c In article <d0e744c9.0301272126.7c5e6aa@posting.google.com>, leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth) writes:B; >In an article on Dell moving DB servers from Sun platformst: >to a Dell-based Linux cluster, comes the following quote: >e7 >"Running databases on clusters of computers has been a @ >technically difficult task, which so far has been achieved only= >by Hewlett-Packard's NonStop group (formerly the independentj= >company Tandem) and by NCR's Teradata group, said Illuminatai? >analyst Jonathan Eunice, but it's starting to become workable. < >It works best with databases from which computers read data. >often but don't have to write as frequently." >h; >Full article at: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981893.htmlJ > ; >My question: Wasn't a version of Oracle DB VMS-clusterable%- >and thus should have been mentioned as well?o >s  ? Jonathan Eunice certainly knows no better, so I'm suspecting a eG writer/editor error.  Probably Eunice said "NonStop group" (meaning to aG include Digital as well as Tandem products), the trade press journalist J wrote the quote down, the style guide said you had to identify the NonStopD group, and either a copyeditor wrote "?" after NonStop group and theK journalist supplied that gloss or the copyeditor passed it by the technical  editor and he wrote that in.  H It is unfortunately the case that many trade press journalists - not theH ones writing for the Reg or the Inq, but a lot of the rest - are not in  fact subject area experts.  6 It's news to me that Tandem has clusterable databases.   -- Alanp  O ===============================================================================k0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 05:43:10 GMTWL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"), Subject: Re: VAXcluster support of database?6 Message-ID: <00A1A9D5.8C835AB7@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <00A1A9D4.6269F78C@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:Bd >In article <d0e744c9.0301272126.7c5e6aa@posting.google.com>, leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth) writes:< >>In an article on Dell moving DB servers from Sun platforms; >>to a Dell-based Linux cluster, comes the following quote:t >>8 >>"Running databases on clusters of computers has been aA >>technically difficult task, which so far has been achieved onlya> >>by Hewlett-Packard's NonStop group (formerly the independent> >>company Tandem) and by NCR's Teradata group, said Illuminata@ >>analyst Jonathan Eunice, but it's starting to become workable.= >>It works best with databases from which computers read datau/ >>often but don't have to write as frequently."P >>< >>Full article at: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981893.html >>< >>My question: Wasn't a version of Oracle DB VMS-clusterable. >>and thus should have been mentioned as well? >> >l@ >Jonathan Eunice certainly knows no better, so I'm suspecting a   H That should have read "Jonathan Eunice certainly knows better."  I hate  it when I do that.    H >writer/editor error.  Probably Eunice said "NonStop group" (meaning to H >include Digital as well as Tandem products), the trade press journalistK >wrote the quote down, the style guide said you had to identify the NonStop E >group, and either a copyeditor wrote "?" after NonStop group and thenL >journalist supplied that gloss or the copyeditor passed it by the technical >editor and he wrote that in.  >sI >It is unfortunately the case that many trade press journalists - not the I >ones writing for the Reg or the Inq, but a lot of the rest - are not in 9 >fact subject area experts.. > 7 >It's news to me that Tandem has clusterable databases.[ >l >-- Alan >gP >===============================================================================1 > Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUFN > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056N > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025P >=============================================================================== >   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-30566M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================D   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 13:22:20 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: VMS Jokes= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301271322.17dfcc22@posting.google.com>   d "Rob Heyes" <rob.heyes@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<b0km87$37e$1@helle.btinternet.com>...M > I was wondering if anyone had any VMS jokes. Bit mad, I know, but you know.d >  > If not, to get us started... > 7 > "I re-grep ever going to UNIX when VMS is far better"m >  > Ba doom chingt   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ???     ! Here's my favorite error message:E      AAA,  'file-spec'   5   Facility:     RUNOFF, DIGITAL Standard Runoff (DSR)    7   Explanation:  This message should never be displayed.   E;   User Action:  Submit a Software Performance Report (SPR).h  v  a@ Additionally, the manuals themselves have some moments of humor.= Nested search lists use Fred, Ethel, Lucy, and Ricky. Example 6 VMSclusters are sometimes named Moe, Larry, and Curly.  @ One example from a V4.4 manual, I think, used EDIT FUN.FUN as an example.  5 Another example in some manual used [MEATBALL.SUB]!. V   There are probably others.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:27:35 -0800O$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> Subject: RE: VMS Jokes0 Message-ID: <01C2C607.DF952740@sulfer.icius.com>  E "Ba doom ching", the spoken equivalent of two drum hits and a cymbol.O5 Sometimes used to punctuate the punchline of a joke. S  F It's a little embarrassing to admit that while I'd noticed much use ofH the terms "foo" and "bar" in VMS help, it's only recently the two joined? in my head and I saw the author's joke. Guess the joke's on me.c   Shane Smith2   -----Original Message-----< From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]& Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:22 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi Subject: Re: VMS Jokes    8 "Rob Heyes" <rob.heyes@btopenworld.com> wrote in message+ news:<b0km87$37e$1@helle.btinternet.com>...tM > I was wondering if anyone had any VMS jokes. Bit mad, I know, but you know.l >  > If not, to get us started... > 7 > "I re-grep ever going to UNIX when VMS is far better"i >  > Ba doom ching2   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ???t    ! Here's my favorite error message:e      AAA,  'file-spec'  c5   Facility:     RUNOFF, DIGITAL Standard Runoff (DSR)d  r7   Explanation:  This message should never be displayed.t   ;   User Action:  Submit a Software Performance Report (SPR).o     d@ Additionally, the manuals themselves have some moments of humor.= Nested search lists use Fred, Ethel, Lucy, and Ricky. Exampleh6 VMSclusters are sometimes named Moe, Larry, and Curly.  @ One example from a V4.4 manual, I think, used EDIT FUN.FUN as an example.  5 Another example in some manual used [MEATBALL.SUB]!. m   There are probably others.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmane   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:02:31 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>1# Subject: Re: VMS License Transfers? $ Message-ID: <3e358247$1@news.si.com>  C >Some license can be sold with the hardware and others can be moved-* >between machines you own.  None are both.  D I believe VAXcluser and  DECnet licenses can be either relicensed or
 redesignated.n --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com-5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.1@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991q8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 14:07:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)T# Subject: Re: VMS License Transfers?c3 Message-ID: <fL2A8IakNMmR@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  e In article <ea44f5a1.0301270949.62cb4cfb@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:   @ > The only ones that seem to be non-tranferable (Category 1) are > the base license and Open3d. > @ > Is Open3d required for Motif?  I am not sure why we have it on > our old system.P  7 Open3d is required to run certain graphics controllers.p   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 21:47:47 -0800, From: gunfunny@hotmail.com (Mr. Gunfun Knee) Subject: Was Doc's box cracked?o= Message-ID: <cc045b21.0301272147.71539d93@posting.google.com>s  D Tried to connect to vmsbox.cjb.net via SSH today (Tues, Jan 28, 2003F at 00:45 -0500 GMT) and my account was rejected... this seeming odd, IC decided to check out the website "http://vmsbox.cjb.net"... seems asE cracker by the name of Pouet has gotten access and screwed up quite a& bit of stuff...a  A Has the "very hard to crack" OpenVMS been cracked?  Please let us E know, and if that was the case, then please please let us know how itp	 was done.p   --Gunfunny--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:55:30 -0500 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>nG Subject: RE: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?;: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDEECECKAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: Bradford J. Hamilton [mailto:brad@.homeportal.2wire.net]) > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:06 AMn > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com=I > Subject: RE: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?I >  > b > In article <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGEBDCKAA.dallen@nist.gov>, "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes: > >n > >n > >> -----Original Message-----;E > >> From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG]:+ > >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:54 PM< > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComL > >> Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R? > >> &	 > ><snip>  > >  > >> sL > >> There were other "fun" things one could do with the old vinyl recordingM > >> system.  I have one record that fades into a single "theme" on the innernL > >> spiral where most automatic changers would pick up the arm.  If the armJ > >> is left on the vinyl, the circular track at the center would continue > >> this note ad infinitum. > >s > >	Anybody remember:s > >s > >	side A: "turn me over" > >	side B: "play me again"& > 8 > I "remembered" it, but had to use Google to remind me: >   > "Let it Bleed", Rolling Stones >   @ 	"Yer Blues", James Gang for sure. Not sure about "Let it Bleed"A 	Have both slabs of vinyl and a manual turnatable, all in workingK# 	condition - will check The Stones.=   	Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:51:45 GMTD7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)NG Subject: RE: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?D= Message-ID: <5KiZ9.57321$VU6.45615@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>$  ` In article <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDEECECKAA.dallen@nist.gov>, "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes: <snip>> 9 >> I "remembered" it, but had to use Google to remind me:T >> B! >> "Let it Bleed", Rolling StonesT >> / > A >	"Yer Blues", James Gang for sure. Not sure about "Let it Bleed" B >	Have both slabs of vinyl and a manual turnatable, all in working$ >	condition - will check The Stones.  M Dan, I think you're correct.  I remembere that my friend had both albums, andEH Google had many more hits for the James Gang under that search criteria.   >N >	DanK ><  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"S   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 17:02:36 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)TG Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?h= Message-ID: <8a646952.0301271702.27bf49d8@posting.google.com>k  s spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0301240848.73c6b127@posting.google.com>.../ > Hello, > F > Is LBN 0 on Files-11 disks at the outer edge of the physical disk or9 > the inner edge? (Assuming revectoring hasn't occurred.)a > E > Where on the physical disk is LBN 0 located with other popular filec
 > systems? > E > Do increasing LBN's simply "quasi-spiral" across the disk? That is, G > are the lowest, say, five percent of the blocks all at about the same/	 > radius?  > D > I am making CD-Rs containing save set files that are about 2000 toE > 7000 blocks each. Does it matter much where I place the index file? / > And if yes, where's the best place to put it?a > E > I set /headers and /maximimum files to a little above the number ofqD > files I am placing on the CD-R. Is there anything else I can do to: > optimize the performance when reading the finished disk? > 	 > Thanks.6 >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldmanh   Alan,2  @ My recollection of Files-11 ODS-2, in the early days, is the LBNF mapped outside to inner with the Indexf.sys being placed in the middleD of the LBN maximum value for optimal performance. Generally, for theE system disk, the boot block is VBN 1 of the Indexf.sys file, which isdD map to LBN 0 of the volume. The location of the Volume Home block isE VBN 2 and is generally mapped to LBN 2 (cluster=1) or the first blockL: of the second cluster of the volume or (1+n * delta, where? n=0,1,2,3,...) and delta is calculated from the geometry of the= volume.r  ? Under DSA, the mapping of the Logical Block Number (LBN) to theNE Physical Block Number (PBN) was left up to the device drivers and the< disk itself.   Daryl Jonest   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:57:41 GMTk. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: [MSA1000] Support for/by OpenVMS ?T4 Message-ID: <93hZ9.246726$TY.2592125@news.chello.at>  J Last winter I heard that the VMS support for the then new MSA1000 Mini-SAN< is coming in the not so far distance ("probably fall 2002").  I Now a year is over without any sign of VMS MSA1000 support "in the pipe".   E Does anyone know more ? Was this last info a hoax or is there supportFD still coming but very delayed (because of management restricting VMSF or engineering busy in porting to ITANIC or MSA1000 dead on arrival or other strange ideas) ?   TIAN   -- 3 Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERb% Network and OpenVMS system specialisto E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jan 2003 13:13:51 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)n/ Subject: Re: [MSA1000] Support for/by OpenVMS ?F- Message-ID: <eCDUIrF3GenH@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>O  4 In article <93hZ9.246726$TY.2592125@news.chello.at>,6       peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:  L > Last winter I heard that the VMS support for the then new MSA1000 Mini-SAN> > is coming in the not so far distance ("probably fall 2002"). > K > Now a year is over without any sign of VMS MSA1000 support "in the pipe".s  D     Someone on Encompasserve posted that with the latest(?) firmware= revision for the MSA1000 VMS can see the disks - I guess thatT) indicates at least some "latent" support.e  ?     I was under the impression that support for the MSA1000 wase? tied in with support for FC-AL ( perhaps on the assumption that-> people who want MSA1000s don't want to spend the big bucks for? a switched fabric ). I saw a slide suggesting FC-AL support was6D coming in 2003. I've been running a test VMS 7.3-1/RA8000 system for> a few months now with FC-AL, but this configuration is not yet* supported ( I'm hoping it's coming soon ).   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.055 ************************de>e  K Perhaps the easiest way is to check whether the logical name DISK$<label ofg disk>wA exists in the SYSTEM logical name table or not. I.e. use $trnlnm.O  5 "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com> schreef in berichte2 news:h1oa3vgvmo2fqt5jhqgf6o4dtf6lb4hft9@4ax.com...I > I've done some Googol searches on the subject, but can't find anything.  The F > question is: how can you determine, programmatically, that a disk is mounted>K > privately or group-wide, rather than /SYSTEM. SHOW DEVIC۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    ۪    