0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 28 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 56      Contents:9 Re: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS) 9 RE: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS)  Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk  Binary PostScript under VMS?' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS # cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ! CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration  CSWS PHP and RMS DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV Re: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question Re: EV7, ES47 question1 Re: First OpenVMS Technical Journal now available  getting VMS on an antique vax ! RE: getting VMS on an antique vax ! RE: getting VMS on an antique vax ! Re: getting VMS on an antique vax ! Re: getting VMS on an antique vax 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 RE: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? - How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2? 1 Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2? 1 Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2? 1 Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2? 1 Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2?  OpenVMS and IPv6? , Re: Privileges in a shareable image question, Re: Privileges in a shareable image question, Re: Privileges in a shareable image question* Questions about UNZIP from System Tools CD. Re: Questions about UNZIP from System Tools CD script to test disk SCSI Re: script to test disk SCSI Re: script to test disk SCSI) Re: Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer ) Re: Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer ) Re: Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer @ Re: Storage network with VMS cluster and other OSses, ESS, EMC2? Terminal server recommendations # Re: Terminal server recommendations # Re: Terminal server recommendations # Re: Terminal server recommendations 3 Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC 3 Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC # Re: VAXcluster support of database? # Re: VAXcluster support of database? # RE: VAXcluster support of database?  Re: VMS License Transfers?' VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.  Re: Was Doc's box cracked? Re: Was Doc's box cracked? Re: Was Doc's box cracked? Re: Was Doc's box cracked?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 09:39:43 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) B Subject: Re: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS)+ Message-ID: <XmEDtBT3nXj2@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   i In article <hffZ9.2863$fk6.907@news.bellsouth.net>, "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> writes:   > Does the cable look like this?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2304728307    Yes , a BC09J:I this is the one which connects a VS3100 to Centronics-50-type connectors.     --  N Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:12:38 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>B Subject: RE: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS)0 Message-ID: <01C2C6B5.EE9BE6D0@sulfer.icius.com>  E If that's what it looks like, I have bought several in my local Fry's G electronics store. Probably quite a bit cheaper than HP would sell them 	 for, too.    Shane    -----Original Message-----4 From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de [mailto:huber@mppmu.mpg.de]( Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:40 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B Subject: Re: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS)    F In article <hffZ9.2863$fk6.907@news.bellsouth.net>, "Homer J. Simpson"" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> writes:  > Does the cable look like this?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2304728307    Yes , a BC09J:= this is the one which connects a VS3100 to Centronics-50-type  connectors.     --  0 Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de http://www.huber-joseph.de/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:37:53 +0100  From: dm <dimez@gmx.ch> & Subject: Acees of files from a PC disk% Message-ID: <3E363351.8020103@gmx.ch>   G has anybody an idea how i can read (or copy) files from our VMS server   (Ver 7.1.-2) from a PC disk.9 the pc is running with Windows Software (NT4, W2000, XP). J a function, where a 'mapping' of such a disk would be possible could help.H so the contrary of the function of pathwork (advanced server) is needed!  D is there any software (for VMS and PC) which could be used for that?0 where can I find additional information or help? thanks a lot D. Meier   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:34:50 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk' Message-ID: <3E3640AA.12FA080E@aaa.com>   ! Is it a one-time need ? Use FTP ?  Multiple concurrent readers ?   - Or just go to the PC and "put" the files from  there.   Jana-Erik Sderholm.  	 dm wrote:  > H > has anybody an idea how i can read (or copy) files from our VMS server > (Ver 7.1.-2) from a PC disk.; > the pc is running with Windows Software (NT4, W2000, XP). L > a function, where a 'mapping' of such a disk would be possible could help.J > so the contrary of the function of pathwork (advanced server) is needed! > F > is there any software (for VMS and PC) which could be used for that?2 > where can I find additional information or help? > thanks a lot
 > D. Meier   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:23:08 -0000 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>* Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk5 Message-ID: <b15i7v$uvm7l$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3E3640AA.12FA080E@aaa.com... # > Is it a one-time need ? Use FTP ?  > Multiple concurrent readers ?  > / > Or just go to the PC and "put" the files from  > there. >  > Jana-Erik Sderholm. >  > dm wrote:  > > J > > has anybody an idea how i can read (or copy) files from our VMS server  > > (Ver 7.1.-2) from a PC disk.= > > the pc is running with Windows Software (NT4, W2000, XP). H > > a function, where a 'mapping' of such a disk would be possible could help. L > > so the contrary of the function of pathwork (advanced server) is needed! > > H > > is there any software (for VMS and PC) which could be used for that?4 > > where can I find additional information or help? > > thanks a lot > > D. Meier    L If it is more than just a 'one time' need, you might try Samba. This is open source/freeware.E The link from http://us1.samba.org/ pointing to the VMS port goes to: 4 http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire http://www.travell.uk.net/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:03:45 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk' Message-ID: <3E3671A1.9ED8492D@aaa.com>    John Travell wrote:  >  > N > If it is more than just a 'one time' need, you might try Samba. This is open > source/freeware.G > The link from http://us1.samba.org/ pointing to the VMS port goes to: 6 > http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html >   = I thought the need was to access file *on the PC* *from VMS*.  Does Samba solve that ?   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:30:49 +0100  From: dm <dimez@gmx.ch> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk% Message-ID: <3E368609.1060404@gmx.ch>   1 yes, access of files stored on a PC disk FROM VMS   ) I have no idea and experience with SAMBA,    Dieter   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:    >John Travell wrote: >    > N >>If it is more than just a 'one time' need, you might try Samba. This is open >>source/freeware.G >>The link from http://us1.samba.org/ pointing to the VMS port goes to: 6 >>http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html >> >>     >> > > >I thought the need was to access file *on the PC* *from VMS*. >Does Samba solve that ?   > 
 >Jan-Erik. >    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:29:39 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk" Message-ID: <3e36aff0@news.si.com>  H >If it is more than just a 'one time' need, you might try Samba. This is open >source/freeware. F >The link from http://us1.samba.org/ pointing to the VMS port goes to:5 >http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html   L This seems to be quite old (not updated since 1999, according to the date atJ the botom of the page).  It proclaims Saba V2.0.3, but I have V2.2.4, so I" know later versions are available. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:43:51 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk' Message-ID: <3E36B347.5C34841E@aaa.com>   7 Latest is 2.2.7a, *much* faster then earlier version...  Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Brian Tillman wrote: > J > >If it is more than just a 'one time' need, you might try Samba. This is > open > >source/freeware. H > >The link from http://us1.samba.org/ pointing to the VMS port goes to:7 > >http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html  > N > This seems to be quite old (not updated since 1999, according to the date atL > the botom of the page).  It proclaims Saba V2.0.3, but I have V2.2.4, so I$ > know later versions are available. > --K > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 7 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. B > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 : >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:57:22 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk' Message-ID: <3E36B672.AD172872@fsi.net>   	 dm wrote:  > 3 > yes, access of files stored on a PC disk FROM VMS  > + > I have no idea and experience with SAMBA,   ) Is this a one time shot or on-going need?   , If one-time, perhaps Kermit or FTP may help.  B Otherwise, an NFS server on the PC and an NFS client on VMS may be possibilities.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2003 15:45:32 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) % Subject: Binary PostScript under VMS? 0 Message-ID: <b168is$9nf$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  I we need a program that is able to produce binary PostScript under OpenVMS J 7.1-2. XV produces ASCII PS, the same with Mozilla. What else is availableO to produce level 2 PS from an image file and represent the image as binary data  in the PS code?    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 11:17:11 -00005 From: "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher@redneck.gacracker.org> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS5 Message-ID: <20030128111711.6608.qmail@gacracker.org>   5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  C On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> wrote:  >Hello > J >I have a system reading satellitedata. The data is processed and all the G >  process jobs show up in the queues. But I do not understand how the   >processes are started.  > H >In LINUX/UNIX it is the cron deamon controling what to start when. But = >what triggers the processing jobs in my system, OpenVMS 6.2.   D The simplest way to do it in VMS is for the batch job that does your? processing to submit itself to run at some point in the future.    Look up SUBMIT /AFTER in Help.     Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:21:52 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS; Message-ID: <01KRRLUV9B9Y9GV63L@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F > The simplest way to do it in VMS is for the batch job that does yourA > processing to submit itself to run at some point in the future.  >   > Look up SUBMIT /AFTER in Help.  D Good suggestion.  However, at least the SUBMIT command should be as F early as possible in the procedure, so that it gets submitted even if G the batch job doing the submitting has problems.  Also, since the file  F specification of a batch job is determined at submit time, not at run I time (i.e. logicals translated, version number determined etc), it might  H be better to have the "real" batch job code in a separate file which is H then executed from the batch job which resubmits itself.  That way, one I can change the code being executed without having to delete and resubmit   batch entries.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:04:56 +0000 - From: Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> , Subject: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3E3655C8.60704@nospamonline.no>   Hello   I I have a system reading satellitedata. The data is processed and all the  F   process jobs show up in the queues. But I do not understand how the  processes are started.  G In LINUX/UNIX it is the cron deamon controling what to start when. But  < what triggers the processing jobs in my system, OpenVMS 6.2.   Regards    Trygve Aspenes   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:12:30 +1100 L From: forSALTsythm@optushome.com.aSALTu (Mark(desalinate for e-mail)Forsyth)0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS: Message-ID: <slrnb3cpcu.2qj.forSALTsythm@plague.bogus.com>  k On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:21:52 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> gushed forth:   	 [deletia]   I >then executed from the batch job which resubmits itself.  That way, one  J >can change the code being executed without having to delete and resubmit  >batch entries.     P You can always use copy/overlay to replace already submitted command procedures.   --   Ooroo 	 Mark F...   $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/   : Today is Pungenday, the 28th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3169   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 07:43:12 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <clOK$P$kW32d@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3E3655C8.60704@nospamonline.no>, Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> writes: > Hello  > K > I have a system reading satellitedata. The data is processed and all the  H >   process jobs show up in the queues. But I do not understand how the  > processes are started. > I > In LINUX/UNIX it is the cron deamon controling what to start when. But  > > what triggers the processing jobs in my system, OpenVMS 6.2.  D    The batch processing system on VMS is a little more like the "at"(    command on UNIX than the cron daemon.  @    Processes are started by the batch system when the time for aG    batch job is reached.  The default if no time is specified is "right E    now" (don't have to wait for a daemon to cylce).  Jobs are entered F    into the queue when some software calls sys$sndjbc, the most commonE    way to do this is the DCL command "submit".  Many other techniques F    exist so the user doesn't usually need to call sys$sndjbc directly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:14:25 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3E367421.3C576FE2@aaa.com>   * How are the data comming into the system ?> There are many ways a process can be started/submitted in VMS.  ) - A FTP session can start the processing.  - A TCPIP RPC call can do it. " - A RECEX (RSH) call can start it.4 - A polling process (looking in some directory) can./ - A CRON job (yes, a port of th UNIX tool) can.   6 Now, what starts things on *your* system is, of course: very hard to say. Why not just ask the system manager  :-)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Trygve Aspenes wrote:  >  > Hello  > J > I have a system reading satellitedata. The data is processed and all theG >   process jobs show up in the queues. But I do not understand how the  > processes are started. > H > In LINUX/UNIX it is the cron deamon controling what to start when. But> > what triggers the processing jobs in my system, OpenVMS 6.2. > 	 > Regards  >  > Trygve Aspenes   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 07:07:44 -0800( From: baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS< Message-ID: <c5cf6e8.0301280707.62f93ef4@posting.google.com>  r "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher@redneck.gacracker.org> wrote in message news:<20030128111711.6608.qmail@gacracker.org>...7 > NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. : > No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.: > -------------------------------------------------------- > E > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> wrote:  > >Hello > > L > >I have a system reading satellitedata. The data is processed and all the I > >  process jobs show up in the queues. But I do not understand how the   > >processes are started.  > > J > >In LINUX/UNIX it is the cron deamon controling what to start when. But ? > >what triggers the processing jobs in my system, OpenVMS 6.2.  > F > The simplest way to do it in VMS is for the batch job that does yourA > processing to submit itself to run at some point in the future.  >   > Look up SUBMIT /AFTER in Help. >  >  > Doc.    B How is SUBMIT /AFTER like cron?  Suppose I want a job to run every? Tuesday and Saturday?  Do I chain the job by making each one do  another "SUBMIT /AFTER"?  E Seems to me like SUBMIT /AFTER is like at(1) or batch(1) not cron(8).    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:26:23 -00005 From: "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher@redneck.gacracker.org> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <20030128162623.17309.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  9 On 28 Jan 2003, baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) wrote: A >"Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher@redneck.gacracker.org> wrote in message 2 >news:<20030128111711.6608.qmail@gacracker.org>...8 >> NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.; >> No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. ; >> --------------------------------------------------------  >>  F >> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> wrote:	 >> >Hello  >> >M >> >I have a system reading satellitedata. The data is processed and all the  J >> >  process jobs show up in the queues. But I do not understand how the  >> >processes are started. >> >K >> >In LINUX/UNIX it is the cron deamon controling what to start when. But  @ >> >what triggers the processing jobs in my system, OpenVMS 6.2. >>  G >> The simplest way to do it in VMS is for the batch job that does your B >> processing to submit itself to run at some point in the future. >>  ! >> Look up SUBMIT /AFTER in Help.   C >How is SUBMIT /AFTER like cron?  Suppose I want a job to run every @ >Tuesday and Saturday?  Do I chain the job by making each one do >another "SUBMIT /AFTER"?  > F >Seems to me like SUBMIT /AFTER is like at(1) or batch(1) not cron(8).  C If you want to be really pedantic about it, yes, there is no direct H equivalent to cron within VMS. But that wasn't the question asked by the original poster.     Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:50:47 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS; Message-ID: <01KRRWJ9SYR89GV63L@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   D > How is SUBMIT /AFTER like cron?  Suppose I want a job to run everyA > Tuesday and Saturday?  Do I chain the job by making each one do  > another "SUBMIT /AFTER"? > G > Seems to me like SUBMIT /AFTER is like at(1) or batch(1) not cron(8).   " In the job which resubmits itself:  ; $  THIS_NAME = F$PARSE(F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE"),,,"NAME") ; $  THIS_TYPE = F$PARSE(F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE"),,,"TYPE") $ $  THIS_FILE = THIS_NAME + THIS_TYPE" $  SUBMIT/AFTER=TOMORROW THIS_FILE $  @ SOME_OTHER_FILE.COM $  EXIT    In SOME_OTHER_FILE.COM:   2 $  IF F$CVTIME(,,"WEEKDAY") .EQS. "Tuesday" .OR. --       F$CVTIME(,,"WEEKDAY") .EQS. "Saturday"   $  THEN    <do the stuff here>    $  ELSE 	 $    EXIT  $  ENDIF $  EXIT    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 17:30:11 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <tpDN4dIjmZ2R@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   g In article <c5cf6e8.0301280707.62f93ef4@posting.google.com>, baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) writes: t > "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher@redneck.gacracker.org> wrote in message news:<20030128111711.6608.qmail@gacracker.org>...8 >> NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.; >> No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. ; >> --------------------------------------------------------   D > How is SUBMIT /AFTER like cron?  Suppose I want a job to run everyA > Tuesday and Saturday?  Do I chain the job by making each one do  > another "SUBMIT /AFTER"? > G > Seems to me like SUBMIT /AFTER is like at(1) or batch(1) not cron(8).   O Don't remember, if it is on the VMS freeware CD - or was posted here in c.o.v.,  but there is: a nice procedure calculating all kinds of time differences; to be used in SUBMIT/AFTER, also "Submit at next saturday".  From the header:  (           Procedure:    Compute_Time.Com           Version:      1.00-           Author:       R.A. Berglin, SSC LTS '           Date:         September, 1990 N           Language:     VAX/VMS DCL, Version 5.3-1 (backward compatible to V4)           Modifications:K           Purpose:      Accepts specialized date/time entries, and computes N                         an absolute VMS time (22 or 23 character string) basedN                         on the inputs.  Mainly intended to compute offsets forM                         submitting and re-submitting batch files.  The return D                         value is in the global symbol COMPUTED_TIME.  5           Usage Examples:       $ @Compute_Time DAY 1 8                                 $ @Compute_Time TU 17:00    S If You don't find it in the usual archives or freeware CD's, get it from my system: :  http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/util_root/com/compute_time.com    K And if You don't like SUBMIT/AFTER, there ARE cron implementations for VMS, * again look into the freeware CD/archives.  --  N Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:57:26 -0600 - From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> * Subject: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configurationJ Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16589@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"   I For those of you interested in Apache/PHP and ORACLE interface - sorry if K this is old news to you, however I am excited about it and just chomping at 
 the bit...  I We have successfully installed CSWS V1.3 (Apache) with CSWS_PHP (V1.1) on K our Alpha Server (a GS160 running V7.2-1h1).  And of course, we encountered L problems with our PHP ORACLE setup - the release notes are a little bit lean2 (really?!?) Here is how we solved the setup issue:    " 1) Modify the php.ini config file:   from ;extension=php_oci8.exe    to extension=php_oci8.exe    - 2) Add the following to APACHE$WWW login.com;   * $ ! Login.Com for Apache HTTP (WWW) Server $ !  $ !  $ ! define the ORACLE logicals $ ! 2 $ @oracle$sub:[admin.db_dwhous]orauser_dwhous.com; $ !  $ ! I $ ! Define the OCI extension logicals if we find the OCI client shareable  $ ! > $ if (f$search("ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe;") .nes. "") $ thenA $     define /nolog php$oci_shr ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe $ $!     define /nolog php$oci_pfx " " $ endif  $! $ exit  H Note(2.1) oracle$sub is a logical defined to disk:[oracle.] /trans=conc.C Note(2.2) oraclient_v816.exe is our version, your version may vary. = Note(2.3) the php$oci_pfx was not needed for our environment. 7 Note(2.4) works with ORACLE V8 and V9 - or so they say.      3) Restart APACHE web server.   K The test of PHP http://server.domain.com/php_rules.php is kind of lame, use > the http://server.domain.com/php_info.php which is far better.    < 4) Obtain some sample scripts from www.php.net and go at it.       John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12"> 0 <TITLE>CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration</TITLE> </HEAD>  <BODY>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For those of you interested in Apache/PHP and ORACLE =D interface - sorry if this is old news to you, however I am excited =3 about it and just chomping at the bit...</FONT></P>   E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>We have successfully installed CSWS V1.3 (Apache) = ; with CSWS_PHP (V1.1) on our Alpha Server (a GS160 running = F V7.2-1h1).&nbsp; And of course, we encountered problems with our PHP =I ORACLE setup - the release notes are a little bit lean (really?!?) Here = , is how we solved the setup issue:</FONT></P> <BR>  ; <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1) Modify the php.ini config file:</FONT>  </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>from</FONT> 3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>;extension=3Dphp_oci8.exe</FONT>  </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>to</FONT> 2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>extension=3Dphp_oci8.exe</FONT> </P> <BR>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>2) Add the following to APACHE$WWW login.com;</FONT> </P>  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ ! Login.Com for Apache HTTP (WWW) Server</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> 8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ ! define the ORACLE logicals</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ =7 @oracle$sub:[admin.db_dwhous]orauser_dwhous.com;</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ ! Define the OCI extension logicals if we find the =  OCI client shareable</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ if = A (f$search(&quot;ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe;&quot;) .nes. =  &quot;&quot;)</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ then</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; define /nolog php$oci_shr =( ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; define /nolog php$oci_pfx =  &quot; &quot;</FONT>! <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ endif</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$!</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ exit</FONT> </P>  @ <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.1) oracle$sub is a logical defined to =$ disk:[oracle.] /trans=3Dconc.</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.2) oraclient_v816.exe is our version, your = version may vary.</FONT>E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.3) the php$oci_pfx was not needed for our =  environment.</FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.4) works with ORACLE V8 and V9 - or so they =  say.</FONT>  </P> <BR>  6 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>3) Restart APACHE web server.</FONT> </P>  & <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The test of PHP <A =1 HREF=3D"http://server.domain.com/php_rules.php" = I TARGET=3D"_blank">http://server.domain.com/php_rules.php</A> is kind of = A lame, use the <A HREF=3D"http://server.domain.com/php_info.php" = F TARGET=3D"_blank">http://server.domain.com/php_info.php</A> which is = far better.</FONT></P> <BR>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>4) Obtain some sample scripts from www.php.net and go = 
 at it.</FONT>  </P> <BR> <BR>  % <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Brandon</FONT> 3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT> . <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT> ) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT>  </P>   </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80--    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:02:19 -0600 - From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com>  Subject: CSWS PHP and RMS J Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA1658A@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F7.6630A140  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"   I Now that I have Apache/PHP on my VMS server, I am looking for integrating  PHP with RMS and DBMS.    L Does anyone have any ideas, thoughts, or better yet, source code or examples on how to do it?  L I know that Attunity Connect (old ISG Navigator), CONNX, and products of theJ like, offer the desired effect - web integration with RMS files.  That is,J integration at a cost.  I would like to avoid that as much as possible and still retain legality.     John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F7.6630A140  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12">  <TITLE>CSWS PHP and RMS</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Now that I have Apache/PHP on my VMS server, I am = < looking for integrating PHP with RMS and DBMS.&nbsp; </FONT> </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Does anyone have any ideas, thoughts, or better yet, =/ source code or examples on how to do it?</FONT>  </P>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I know that Attunity Connect (old ISG Navigator), =8A CONNX, and products of the like, offer the desired effect - web =nI integration with RMS files.&nbsp; That is, integration at a cost.&nbsp; = A I would like to avoid that as much as possible and still retain =  legality.</FONT></P> <BR>  % <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Brandon</FONT>e3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT> . <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>M) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT>  </P>   </BODY>U </HTML>h) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F7.6630A140--    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:34:56 GMTX- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)t Subject: DECnet WAN question./& Message-ID: <H9F168.D1w@world.std.com>  A Are there (or even were there) any large shared and decentralizedeL (spanning multiple distinct organizations) DECnet WANs or global networks?  J Some examples of this type of network would include: the internet, usenet,5 fidonet, the telephone system, and the postal system.q   -brian.e -- nF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.E   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:04:28 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.n6 Message-ID: <00A1A9FA.0D69B3DE@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  V In article <H9F168.D1w@world.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes: >EB >Are there (or even were there) any large shared and decentralizedM >(spanning multiple distinct organizations) DECnet WANs or global networks?  sK >Some examples of this type of network would include: the internet, usenet,r6 >fidonet, the telephone system, and the postal system.  H Well, HEPnet/SPAN, which connected high-energy physics institutions and J space science / NASA contractors; that covered a lot of ground and a whole+ lot of distinct organizations in the 1980s.6   -- AlanM  O ===============================================================================r0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056uM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:43:43 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.rL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2801030743440001@user-2ive3bb.dialup.mindspring.com>  6 In article <00A1A9FA.0D69B3DE@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,% winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:i  H >In article <H9F168.D1w@world.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes: >>C >>Are there (or even were there) any large shared and decentralizedtN >>(spanning multiple distinct organizations) DECnet WANs or global networks?  L >>Some examples of this type of network would include: the internet, usenet,7 >>fidonet, the telephone system, and the postal system.- >-I >Well, HEPnet/SPAN, which connected high-energy physics institutions and 3K >space science / NASA contractors; that covered a lot of ground and a wholec, >lot of distinct organizations in the 1980s.  J HEPnet/SPAN used up a large portion of the DECnet phase IV address space. H I think it was a significant motivation for the development of phase V. J Alas, phase V arrived too late, when the university/research lab community! was already chasing the unix fad.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:19:48 GMTn( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question./- Message-ID: <UrvZ9.64399$rM2.42226@rwcrnsc53>-  : "Brian 'Jarai' Chase" <bdc@world.std.com> wrote in message  news:H9F168.D1w@world.std.com... >:C > Are there (or even were there) any large shared and decentralized0L > (spanning multiple distinct organizations) DECnet WANs or global networks?L > Some examples of this type of network would include: the internet, usenet,7 > fidonet, the telephone system, and the postal system.O  K Don't know if it still exists, but the US DOE (Dept. of Energy) used to runtH SPAN (Space Physics Analysis Network) which, ironically, spanned several gov't organizations. -- Mark E. Levy" System Management Associates, Inc. Phone: 847-730-3193w Fax:      847-730-3194 Cell:      847-370-3071u Text:     melevy@vtext.com ort              melevy@skytel.com   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 07:36:26 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)-! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.o3 Message-ID: <SzacY9Z98ioX@eisner.encompasserve.org>/  V In article <H9F168.D1w@world.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes: > C > Are there (or even were there) any large shared and decentralizedkN > (spanning multiple distinct organizations) DECnet WANs or global networks?  L > Some examples of this type of network would include: the internet, usenet,7 > fidonet, the telephone system, and the postal system.i  B    SPAN.  Setup primarily by/for the physics community is a global,    DECnet we used for a variety of purposes.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:13:22 GMTc- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)o% Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus vs DECnet IV & Message-ID: <H9F06A.2D0@world.std.com>  / In article <3E347281.A423729E@vl.videotron.ca>, 2 JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: > Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:  N > > With hubs or switches, cable failure is no longer an issue since there areL > > separate cables for each interface.  You would still have a single pointJ > > of failure at the hub or switch, but you could have multiple switches. > G > Can your ISP provide you with 2 distinctive lines feeding the same IP-H > address?  To the really paranoid, can 2 different ISPs provide you the( > same IP address? (I didn,t think so).   8 The quick answers to your questions are "yes" and "yes".  L > At one point, don't you come to a single point of failure somewhere insideD > your ISP's router which balances your traffic between the 2 lines?  I Not if you're designing it with redundancy in mind.  My previous employer-I was an online company.  They relied on being up an on the internet, 24x7, I as is (was?) the case with most of the dotcoms.  We had a pair of routers H on our end and there was another pair on our ISP's end.  The ISP we usedH was a midsized regional one.  They resold high-bandwith connections fromJ the big players like MCI/Worldcomm, UUnet, Time/Warner, etc.  In our case,D we had two separate DS3 connections between our site and theirs. OneB connection was through Worldcomm and the second was through UUnet.  H > > Mark Levy mentioned in a followup parallel to this one that TCP/IP's8 > > reliance on ARP for ethernet resulted in ARP storms. > I > Haven't Code Red, Nimda and Yesterday's SQL virus/worm caused ARP havokeO > throughout the world between the ISPs and customers ? I know my cable modem's K > receive light has been flashing ever since  Code Red. Perhaps not such ansM > issue for an intranet, as long as none of your machines have caught some ofa > those viruses.  I Traditionally, ARP was used by TCP/IP on ethernet to resolve logical, IP, H addresses into the low-level hardware ethernet addresses.  Apparently inI more recent years, other types of networking beyond ethernet have adopted H ARP, or at least variations of it, to do the same.  I believe that cableF modems do in fact utilize ARP; from what little I understand of them, F I've alway heard that cable modem networks behave pretty much like bigE neighborhood-wide ethernet LANs.  I'd imagine it's quite possible you-J could experience problems on them if the cable company's switching/routingB equipment and cable modems have tight limitations on the number of9 entries, or their expiration, allowed in their ARP cache.T  J When the internet slows to grinding halt from things like Code Red and theI MS-SQL worm from this past weekend, it's due to the network being swampedmI with traffic.  The internet is pretty much thrown together; it's not beenfG well planned out or structured to be balanced for throughput.  ISP havehF over commited their resources to increase their profits, hedging theirJ bets that only a small fraction of their users will be online at any givenH point in time.  Now if you throw a virus or worm into the mix, and lightC up all those generally nodes with activity, bad things are bound toO happen.   C What amazes me is that, in spite of the these gross abuses--the badoH network planning, the viruses, the worms, the rotting flesh of MicrosoftG products ripe for exploitation by parasites, the rampant P2P sharing of>G huge files, the exhaustion of 32-bit IP address, the incessant flood of>C spam--in spite of this, TCP/IP still manages to scale and function.    -brian.g -- eF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:45:37 -0500tA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>r Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questionf. Message-ID: <3e369792$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEENFGHAA.tom@kednos.com...r   >iD > I had the impression that the Compaq strategy was that the desktop belongedG > to Wintel boxes and that VMS was targeted at the server market, and Io	 > assumedtL > that HP was continuing that strategy.  Note, for example, the nomenclature > fortC > licensing, the low end is not called desktop, but workgroup as ina >i  F VMS isn't going after the "desktop".  We continue graphics developmentK because frankly, there are too many things with a dependency on at least 2DhK graphics, and not everyone wants a PC running excusion to interact with it.tK We also have a small number of important customers who continue to run some:. mission-critical applications that require 3D.   >lI > So the note about graphics controllers didn't go unnoticed, I'm sure it  > would.C > be nice for VMS sysadmins, but hardly a pressing need, so why ther > controllers? >S  K Why the Radeon?  The VX1 will eventually go end-of-life, and we always need J to be working on the next 2D controller.  We also needed a replacement forK the expensive and aging P350.  The 7500 fits the bill for both these needs..I It's cheap enough to take the place of the VX1 for 2D, and fast enough todL take the place of the P350.  It's raw 2D performance is better than the TGA2L (which remains to this day a very high performance 2D engine) - so customers= hoarding those old TGA2 cards can think about moving forward.a   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:23:22 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questionI; Message-ID: <01KRRW5BXAB29GV63L@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   ( > VMS isn't going after the "desktop".    E Well, maybe not in the sense of trying to replace Wintel PCs running eE WORD or whatever, but I think it would be a good idea to always have gH some sort of "desktop" machine, meaning small enough (in dimensions and H in price) to fit on a desktop.  After all, low-end machines are usually F used for development.  Now, these are probably older machines at most G places, but when the time comes when the newest VMS isn't supported on aE them, where will folks go?  In some cases, buying a big "development  4 machine" might be a good idea, but in other arenas aC one-workstation-per-developer model might be better.  I think this -F actually is quite common today, even if HP doesn't pursue it, because H there are a lot of old workstations about.  But this will change in the E future.  DEC/Compaq/HP COMPLETELY LOST the educational market due to  G missing the boat.  While a bad mistake, one could argue that, at least MF in the short term, it doesn't matter in terms of revenue.  But if the F only applications that run on VMS are those that aren't being further 2 developed, then the future doesn't look so bright.  G While I can see that it might not be desirable to actively pursue "the -H desktop", at least it shouldn't be explicitly crippled, especially with E the hope of VMS being able to run on any Itanium box.  (Of course, a  D low-end Itanium box might be high-end compared to an 11/780, but of E course the comparison should be with the latest, greatest Itanium.)   H There ARE folks who LIKE VMS workstations.  Even for applications which I run on big machine-room servers, surely there is a market for DECwindows nB workstations as front-end machines.  Or what would HP recommend?  I Terminal emulators on a PC?  Give me a break.  Lots of VTs?  Better, but 0@ a) not practical for cut-and-paste between screens (on separate 4 terminals) and b) DEC sadly outsourced these anyway.  F > We continue graphics development because frankly, there are too manyJ > things with a dependency on at least 2D graphics, and not everyone wants- > a PC running excusion to interact with it. a  4 Surely there are some who prefer a PC-free solution.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 09:44:33 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)N Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questionn3 Message-ID: <meMryyx40Cgu@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  w In article <01KRRW5BXAB29GV63L@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: ) >> VMS isn't going after the "desktop".  u > G > Well, maybe not in the sense of trying to replace Wintel PCs running  G > WORD or whatever, but I think it would be a good idea to always have  J > some sort of "desktop" machine, meaning small enough (in dimensions and " > in price) to fit on a desktop.   >0  : 	Sure, and maybe HP could adopt some of Sun's strategy for: 	a desktop and that is offer Linux in addition to Windows:  . http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/030125/tech_sun_2.html 	cL "At the moment people are buying smaller machines. Linux is now a really bigK part of our sales mix. We've got over 100,000 installed Linux computers outo there," he said.  F McNealy said Sun would start selling a Linux desktop computer, used byN employees, a little bit later than the first three months of this year that it first estimated for rollout.    9 	A nice complementary desktop for those that refuse to doa	 	Windows.i  ? 	Point is of course... if 99% of desktops are Windoze/Linux andl7 	remnents of Legacy Unixes, why kick against the goads?e 	o% 	What is a client , what is a server?p  A 	The Linux desktop idea is a nice form of protest.  Remember thatsC 	Sun refuses to let Office products (excel, powerpoint, project) inh2 	the door when most of us are using such things.     	A fine protest it is!   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:42:16 -0500.A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>3 Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questione, Message-ID: <3e36bad2_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KRRW5BXAB29GV63L@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...e( > > VMS isn't going after the "desktop". >tF > Well, maybe not in the sense of trying to replace Wintel PCs runningF > WORD or whatever, but I think it would be a good idea to always haveI > some sort of "desktop" machine, meaning small enough (in dimensions andmI > in price) to fit on a desktop.  After all, low-end machines are usuallyo > used for development.O  L I agree.  It was also something I complained about for the Alpha direction -E EV7, EV8, and EV9 were targeted at ever larger servers, and there was-G nothing targeted for a cost focused single processor "workstation" type G system that would be typical for development.  The Compaq world was onee4 of IA64 for the big boxes, and IA32 for the desktop.  > HP on the other hand has IA64 systems down to the workstation.   >iH > While I can see that it might not be desirable to actively pursue "theI > desktop", at least it shouldn't be explicitly crippled, especially with 7 > the hope of VMS being able to run on any Itanium box.9  A While we are focused on HP hardware, we are not doing anything in0F SW that is not general for the Itanium architecture.  Putting VMS on aF "generic" Itanium2 is a business/marketing decision, not technical oneE (aside from some limitations like the lack of IO mapping registers onT' the vanilla Intel core logic chipsets).i   >  (Of course, aE > low-end Itanium box might be high-end compared to an 11/780, but oftE > course the comparison should be with the latest, greatest Itanium.)o, > There ARE folks who LIKE VMS workstations.  A My workstation is a 666Mhz (from h*ll) DS20E.  I like it - a lot.    >  Even for applications whichJ > run on big machine-room servers, surely there is a market for DECwindowsB > workstations as front-end machines.  Or what would HP recommend?J > Terminal emulators on a PC?  Give me a break.  Lots of VTs?  Better, butA > a) not practical for cut-and-paste between screens (on separaten6 > terminals) and b) DEC sadly outsourced these anyway. >n  G It really all depends on what you need.  Yes, we want to put VMS on themG single processor Itaniums.  Today you pretty much need a DS10 Alpha for K a current system.  But lots of people use PCs both with terminal emulators,- and with things like eXcursion.a  J Frankly, the most cost effective VMS desktop solution is to pick up a used workstation like the XP1000.  H > > We continue graphics development because frankly, there are too manyL > > things with a dependency on at least 2D graphics, and not everyone wants. > > a PC running excusion to interact with it. >s6 > Surely there are some who prefer a PC-free solution.   I think that is what I said.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:46:26 -0500jA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>n Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questiony, Message-ID: <3e3697c4_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICENGGHAA.tom@kednos.com...   > Can the drivers be downloaded? >a  K As always, yes.  When the ECO kit is ready (planned for March) it will show  up on the patch web site.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:15:07 GMTe- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)m: Subject: Re: First OpenVMS Technical Journal now available& Message-ID: <H9ExH7.IBu@world.std.com>  = In article <857e9e41.0301271522.34cd28ae@posting.google.com>,P2 Sue Skonetski <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:  = > I will also post this announcment from the office tomorrow.> > E > It is my pleasure to announce the availability of the first OpenVMS2A > Technical Journal.  Sincere  thanks go to the  VTJ Team of JoansD > Winslow, OpenVMS Documentation Manager; Warren Sander, OpenVMS WebF > Master; and Steve Hoffman, Senior Member of Technical Staff. Special= > thanks to Suzy Kane, Cindy Painter, and Carolyn Crowell foroA > writing/editing support. Without them this journal would not bes > possible.  > 5 > To view the OpenVMS Technical Journal please visit:u0 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/ >  > Warm Regards,a > Sue SkonetskiI > Editor  C Thanks.  This is really interesting and useful, being a VMS newbie.r   -brian.p -- sF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:42:06 GMTT. From: "Mr. Gunfun Knee" <gunfunny@hotmail.com>& Subject: getting VMS on an antique vax, Message-ID: <yUuZ9.65981$4y2.2971@sccrnsc04>  H I currently have a bid in on ebay for three old VAX machines (4000/500A)E in a 19" rack... granted I'm more interested in the rack than I am in-F the three VAX's but how would it be possible for me to load OpenVMS onA these boxes seeing as they don't have CD-ROM's, floppies, or SCSINH interfaces... as far as I can tell the only removable media they have isA a DLT drive... and the disk interface they use (according to manyoF websites) is DSSI (I have no idea where I would get a CD-ROM that used4 this interface or for that matter what DSSI is)...     --Gunfunny--  K http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2302913586&category=1484r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:20:37 -0600>- From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com>a* Subject: RE: getting VMS on an antique vaxJ Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16583@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6D8.6D6C87E0e Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"     May need to hand type it then...  J Another easier method?  If one of the VAX systems has a NIC and also has aH bootable disk, you might be able to cluster that VAX in with another VMSF server and transfer the O/S via DECnet.  This will require CLUSTER andF DECnet licenses.  Once you have built an up-to-date *supported* systemK drive, you could then swap the hard drive into one of the other servers andML then perform an IMAGE backup to the other drives.  That is if the other hardF drives exist and if they are good.  After the IMAGE backup, modify the@ SYSGEN parameters (using MODPARAMS.DAT and AUTOGEN) to reflect aL non-duplicate node and such, then you should have an operational VAX server.  K If I remember right, we had a TZ87-7 tape loader (SCSI) attached to our VAX L 3000 (DSSI based).  I do not remember how it was done, however I am sure one( of the die-hard VAX fans out there will.  / Lot of IF's in there.  May the VAX be with you.   C DSSI?  digital's SCSI.  Been there, done that.  I believe you could0C daisy-chain up to three servers together.  Unlike SCSI, you can not J hot-unplug the connections - I should know, burns up the terminators.  NotG to say that you should hot-unplug SCSI, but I have done that in a pinchS without repercussions.       John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorh Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wke 972.371.4003 fxB     -----Original Message-----3 From: Mr. Gunfun Knee [mailto:gunfunny@hotmail.com]l' Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:42 AMT To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: getting VMS on an antique vax    H I currently have a bid in on ebay for three old VAX machines (4000/500A)E in a 19" rack... granted I'm more interested in the rack than I am inEF the three VAX's but how would it be possible for me to load OpenVMS onA these boxes seeing as they don't have CD-ROM's, floppies, or SCSIeH interfaces... as far as I can tell the only removable media they have isA a DLT drive... and the disk interface they use (according to manyeF websites) is DSSI (I have no idea where I would get a CD-ROM that used4 this interface or for that matter what DSSI is)...     --Gunfunny--  K http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2302913586&category=1484   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6D8.6D6C87E0r Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"q+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">m <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =- charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12">u0 <TITLE>RE: getting VMS on an antique vax</TITLE> </HEAD>d <BODY>  9 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>May need to hand type it then...</FONT>i </P>  B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Another easier method?&nbsp; If one of the VAX =F systems has a NIC and also has a bootable disk, you might be able to =F cluster that VAX in with another VMS server and transfer the O/S via =I DECnet.&nbsp; This will require CLUSTER and DECnet licenses.&nbsp; Once =dG you have built an up-to-date *supported* system drive, you could then = G swap the hard drive into one of the other servers and then perform an = C IMAGE backup to the other drives.&nbsp; That is if the other hard = I drives exist and if they are good.&nbsp; After the IMAGE backup, modify =eF the SYSGEN parameters (using MODPARAMS.DAT and AUTOGEN) to reflect a =F non-duplicate node and such, then you should have an operational VAX = server.</FONT></P>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If I remember right, we had a TZ87-7 tape loader =G (SCSI) attached to our VAX 3000 (DSSI based).&nbsp; I do not remember =iE how it was done, however I am sure one of the die-hard VAX fans out =  there will.</FONT></P>  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lot of IF's in there.&nbsp; May the VAX be with =t you.</FONT>h </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>DSSI?&nbsp; digital's SCSI.&nbsp; Been there, done =A that.&nbsp; I believe you could daisy-chain up to three servers =UI together.&nbsp; Unlike SCSI, you can not hot-unplug the connections - I =rI should know, burns up the terminators.&nbsp; Not to say that you should =e: hot-unplug SCSI, but I have done that in a pinch without = repercussions.</FONT></P>0 <BR> <BR>  % <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Brandon</FONT>d3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT>i. <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>o) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT>h </P> <BR>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>A. <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Mr. Gunfun Knee [<A =I HREF=3D"mailto:gunfunny@hotmail.com">mailto:gunfunny@hotmail.com</A>]</F=e ONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:42 AM</FONT>j3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>i@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: getting VMS on an antique vax</FONT> </P> <BR>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I currently have a bid in on ebay for three old VAX =  machines (4000/500A)</FONT>tI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in a 19&quot; rack... granted I'm more interested in =: the rack than I am in</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the three VAX's but how would it be possible for me = to load OpenVMS on</FONT>tD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>these boxes seeing as they don't have CD-ROM's, = floppies, or SCSI</FONT>@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>interfaces... as far as I can tell the only =# removable media they have is</FONT>eC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a DLT drive... and the disk interface they use =  (according to many</FONT>lH <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>websites) is DSSI (I have no idea where I would get = a CD-ROM that used</FONT>1@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this interface or for that matter what DSSI = is)...&nbsp; </FONT> </P>  % <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--Gunfunny--</FONT>s </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =I HREF=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2302913586&=  category=3D1484" =I TARGET=3D"_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2= $ 302913586&category=3D1484</A></FONT> </P>   </BODY>/ </HTML>o) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6D8.6D6C87E0--    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:26:36 -0600t- From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> * Subject: RE: getting VMS on an antique vaxJ Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16584@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6D9.43D54B50  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"   K You may also want to bring it by your local LUG, CLUG, HPUG, ENCOMPASS, (orM2 whatever they call it now) for trade or amusement.  r  
 John Brandon 1 VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor L john.brandon@dalsemi.com < 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx         -----Original Message-----4 From: John Brandon [mailto:John.Brandon@dalsemi.com]' Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:21 AMa To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * Subject: RE: getting VMS on an antique vax      ! May need to hand type it then...    J Another easier method?  If one of the VAX systems has a NIC and also has aH bootable disk, you might be able to cluster that VAX in with another VMSF server and transfer the O/S via DECnet.  This will require CLUSTER andF DECnet licenses.  Once you have built an up-to-date *supported* systemK drive, you could then swap the hard drive into one of the other servers andxL then perform an IMAGE backup to the other drives.  That is if the other hardF drives exist and if they are good.  After the IMAGE backup, modify the@ SYSGEN parameters (using MODPARAMS.DAT and AUTOGEN) to reflect aL non-duplicate node and such, then you should have an operational VAX server.  K If I remember right, we had a TZ87-7 tape loader (SCSI) attached to our VAXdL 3000 (DSSI based).  I do not remember how it was done, however I am sure one( of the die-hard VAX fans out there will.  0 Lot of IF's in there.  May the VAX be with you.   C DSSI?  digital's SCSI.  Been there, done that.  I believe you couldhC daisy-chain up to three servers together.  Unlike SCSI, you can notTJ hot-unplug the connections - I should know, burns up the terminators.  NotG to say that you should hot-unplug SCSI, but I have done that in a pinchN without repercussions.      
 John Brandon N VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor p john.brandon@dalsemi.com l 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx      -----Original Message----- b3 From: Mr. Gunfun Knee [ mailto:gunfunny@hotmail.com>  <mailto:gunfunny@hotmail.com> ] ( Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:42 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: getting VMS on an antique vax s    I I currently have a bid in on ebay for three old VAX machines (4000/500A) IF in a 19" rack... granted I'm more interested in the rack than I am in G the three VAX's but how would it be possible for me to load OpenVMS on  B these boxes seeing as they don't have CD-ROM's, floppies, or SCSI I interfaces... as far as I can tell the only removable media they have is TB a DLT drive... and the disk interface they use (according to many G websites) is DSSI (I have no idea where I would get a CD-ROM that used p4 this interface or for that matter what DSSI is)...    
 --Gunfunny-- i  - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemdL <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2302913586&category=1484! > &item=2302913586&category=1484 F    ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6D9.43D54B50  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"t  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">0 <TITLE>RE: getting VMS on an antique vax</TITLE>  < <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY>N <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=570512414-28012003>You Q may also want to bring it by your local LUG, CLUG, HPUG, ENCOMPASS, (or whatever a= they call it now) for trade or amusement.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>i <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>WO <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>John Brandon</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>VMS s@ Systems Administrator</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dallas Q Semiconductor</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>  H <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial " size=2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT> </P> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>y. <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">?   <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" bA   size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John Brandon  N   [mailto:John.Brandon@dalsemi.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 Q   8:21 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: getting VMS .(   on an antique vax<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>>   <P><FONT size=2>May need to hand type it then...</FONT> </P>O   <P><FONT size=2>Another easier method?&nbsp; If one of the VAX systems has a  M   NIC and also has a bootable disk, you might be able to cluster that VAX in  K   with another VMS server and transfer the O/S via DECnet.&nbsp; This will lO   require CLUSTER and DECnet licenses.&nbsp; Once you have built an up-to-date TO   *supported* system drive, you could then swap the hard drive into one of the  Q   other servers and then perform an IMAGE backup to the other drives.&nbsp; That CP   is if the other hard drives exist and if they are good.&nbsp; After the IMAGE L   backup, modify the SYSGEN parameters (using MODPARAMS.DAT and AUTOGEN) to Q   reflect a non-duplicate node and such, then you should have an operational VAX     server.</FONT></P>J   <P><FONT size=2>If I remember right, we had a TZ87-7 tape loader (SCSI) L   attached to our VAX 3000 (DSSI based).&nbsp; I do not remember how it was A   done, however I am sure one of the die-hard VAX fans out there & will.</FONT></P>N   <P><FONT size=2>Lot of IF's in there.&nbsp; May the VAX be with you.</FONT>    </P>Q   <P><FONT size=2>DSSI?&nbsp; digital's SCSI.&nbsp; Been there, done that.&nbsp; >M   I believe you could daisy-chain up to three servers together.&nbsp; Unlike iM   SCSI, you can not hot-unplug the connections - I should know, burns up the  Q   terminators.&nbsp; Not to say that you should hot-unplug SCSI, but I have done  ;   that in a pinch without repercussions.</FONT></P><BR><BR>-C   <P><FONT size=2>John Brandon</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>VMS Systems 5N   Administrator</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT> <BR><FONT Q   size=2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT> y2   <BR><FONT size=2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT> </P><BR>O   <P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: Mr.     Gunfun Knee [<A M   href="mailto:gunfunny@hotmail.com">mailto:gunfunny@hotmail.com</A>]</FONT>  L   <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:42 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT P   size=2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: getting VMS #   on an antique vax</FONT> </P><BR> O   <P><FONT size=2>I currently have a bid in on ebay for three old VAX machines oH   (4000/500A)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>in a 19" rack... granted I'm more N   interested in the rack than I am in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>the three VAX's J   but how would it be possible for me to load OpenVMS on</FONT> <BR><FONT F   size=2>these boxes seeing as they don't have CD-ROM's, floppies, or K   SCSI</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>interfaces... as far as I can tell the only  N   removable media they have is</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>a DLT drive... and the O   disk interface they use (according to many</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>websites) rP   is DSSI (I have no idea where I would get a CD-ROM that used</FONT> <BR><FONT M   size=2>this interface or for that matter what DSSI is)...&nbsp; </FONT></P>M*   <P><FONT size=2>--Gunfunny--</FONT> </P>   <P><FONT size=2><A =]   href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=2302913586&amp;category=1484" oo   target=_blank>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=2302913586&amp;category=1484</A></FONT>  !   </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=  ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6D9.43D54B50--=   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 07:52:01 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r* Subject: Re: getting VMS on an antique vax3 Message-ID: <luLp8h42jEBH@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  ] In article <yUuZ9.65981$4y2.2971@sccrnsc04>, "Mr. Gunfun Knee" <gunfunny@hotmail.com> writes:SJ > I currently have a bid in on ebay for three old VAX machines (4000/500A)G > in a 19" rack... granted I'm more interested in the rack than I am inrH > the three VAX's but how would it be possible for me to load OpenVMS onC > these boxes seeing as they don't have CD-ROM's, floppies, or SCSIfJ > interfaces... as far as I can tell the only removable media they have isC > a DLT drive... and the disk interface they use (according to manycH > websites) is DSSI (I have no idea where I would get a CD-ROM that used6 > this interface or for that matter what DSSI is)...    G    The usual way to do this is to load it from tape.  It is possible to G    copy the latest VMS installable save sets to tape and do an install.aH    Before CDROM VMS was ususally shipped on tape and installed this way.G    Old installation manuals will tell you how to boot standalone backup G    from tape and which save set to load to the disk (IIRC it was the .B:>    saveset), then you boot from disk and complete the install.  F    You can also backup an entire running VAX VMS to tape and load thatD    to disk, but be sure to straighten out the licenses after you do.  A    In any case you'll need a standalone backup tape to boot.  AnyrH    running VAX VMS system can make one if it has the matching DLT drive.  C    DSSI is a DEC specific bus which physically looks like SCSI, butrH    electrically and at the command level is quite different from SCSI.  E    AFAIK nobody ever made a CDROM for DSSI, but there are DSSI - SCSI D    converters such as the HSJ series that allow you to put an entire    SCSI bus on one DSSI node.r    o-    Most folks I know pronounce DSSI as dizzy.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:59:02 -0500l< From: "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>* Subject: Re: getting VMS on an antique vax/ Message-ID: <H0wZ9.546$5m.285@news.cpqcorp.net>    Mr. Gunfun Knee wrote:J > I currently have a bid in on ebay for three old VAX machines (4000/500A)G > in a 19" rack... granted I'm more interested in the rack than I am inwH > the three VAX's but how would it be possible for me to load OpenVMS onC > these boxes seeing as they don't have CD-ROM's, floppies, or SCSIs > interfaces...d  D You would either want to aquire a KZQSA or equivalent SCSI to Q-bus E adapter and a suitable 512 Byte block CD-ROM drive, or find a way to e# load the systems over the ethernet.a  I A small VAXstation running OpenVMS can be used as a load host, or with a b* little more work an Alpha running OpenVMS.  < > as far as I can tell the only removable media they have isC > a DLT drive... and the disk interface they use (according to manycH > websites) is DSSI (I have no idea where I would get a CD-ROM that used6 > this interface or for that matter what DSSI is)...    > There are DSSI to SCSI adapters of the HDS05 and HSD10 series.  9 I would recommend reading the OpenVMS FAQ from a link at l http://www.openvms.compaq.com    > --Gunfunny-- > M > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2302913586&category=1484u  D This particular set has fast (for it's time) disks, but small ones. 0 Several Synchronous serial interfaces, and FDDI.  = No mention of memory.  That could be important to it's value.p  F A VAX 4000-500A is rated at 24 VUPs, 4 DSSI busses, and built in 10Mb  AUI/Thinnet Internet.r   -Johnn! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hpo Personal Opinion Onlyt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:34:03 +0100i From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question4 Message-ID: <QmqZ9.45871$7F3.4420126@zwoll1.home.nl>   Shane Smith wrote:C > This begs the question, will VMS support the Radeon's 3D graphics G > acceleration? OK, so the 7500 is a couple of generations out of date,P2 > but I'd still like to tinker with OpenGL on VMS. > I > Next question would be whether the newer Radeons will be supported. The/G > 9700 is impressive to say the least. ATI do seem to be unifying theiruJ > drivers somewhat, although I don't think they're as far along as nVidia. > H > I'd also love to know why go with ATI over nVidia. It looks to me likeD > driver support for new models would be much easier with the nVidia/ > approach. Are there licensing issues perhaps?Q  F More likely because ATI also produces professional graphics cards for M workstatons. And also because ATI and Matrox were always renowned for the 2D sL quality of their graphics cards (and that is what we use most). The typical 6 gaming cards mostly don't have a very good 2D quality.  O The ATI 9700(prof) card indeed is much faster then anything NVidia has at this r moment.o     >  > Shaner >  > -----Original Message-----: > From: peter@langstoeger.at [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]) > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:53 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com.! > Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questionn >  > F > In article <b131nj$um370$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>, "John Travell" > <john@travell.uk.net> writes:t > 0 >>"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message > 5 > news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOELCGHAA.tom@kednos.com...m > / >>>>From: Michael Unger [mailto:unger@decus.de]q* >>>>Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:09 AM >>>>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como# >>>>Subject: Re: EV7, ES47 questionA >>>>3 >>>>"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  >>>>
 >>>>>[...] >>>>>tF >>>>>What can you put in the AGP slot with VMS? (perhaps not today...) >>>>J >>>>There has been an announcement of the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller"J >>>>for AlphaServer systems and the installation guide is available at theG >>>>Q/HP web site. It explicitely describes the configuration for Tru64e >>>>and VMS. >>>lJ >>>VMS is not mentioned as supported for the 7500, only the VX1, either in >>>PCI or AGP form factor. >> >>But...N >>The PDF installation guide for the "ATI Radeon 7500 AGP Controller" provides0 >>a whole chapter on installation under OpenVMS. >>You need V7.3-1 plus eco's. E >>Clearly the lack of mention of OpenVMS in the web page is either ant >>oversight or obfustication..!b >  > J > As long as the required ECOs (VMS731_GRAPHICS and VMS731_UPDATE) are notE > out (and state that they will enable Radeon support) the ATI is notnD > supported by OpenVMS. But it is clearly a good sign to see support
 > coming ! > D > Next question will then be, in which workstations this ATI will be > supportedd > besides the ES47...- >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:00:23 -0500eA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>7@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question, Message-ID: <3e369b09_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message.. news:QmqZ9.45871$7F3.4420126@zwoll1.home.nl... > Shane Smith wrote:E > > This begs the question, will VMS support the Radeon's 3D graphicssI > > acceleration? OK, so the 7500 is a couple of generations out of date,N4 > > but I'd still like to tinker with OpenGL on VMS. > >eK > > Next question would be whether the newer Radeons will be supported. ThefI > > 9700 is impressive to say the least. ATI do seem to be unifying theireL > > drivers somewhat, although I don't think they're as far along as nVidia. > >wJ > > I'd also love to know why go with ATI over nVidia. It looks to me likeF > > driver support for new models would be much easier with the nVidia1 > > approach. Are there licensing issues perhaps?u >rG > More likely because ATI also produces professional graphics cards for K > workstatons. And also because ATI and Matrox were always renowned for theS 2DE > quality of their graphics cards (and that is what we use most). Then typicalb8 > gaming cards mostly don't have a very good 2D quality. >eK > The ATI 9700(prof) card indeed is much faster then anything NVidia has ate this	 > moment.e >e   Personal opinion:c  G Actually, I'd have preferred 3Dlabs, who is really known for their high H quality workstation graphics... but the P10 was a little late.  ATI withG their aquisition of the IBM FireGL line now has some real "workstation"aI quality graphics, and I expect that they will start to merge their Radeona and FireGL technologies.  L What you tend to find on curent cards is that within an architecture, the 2DG graphics semantics remain fairly stable, but the 3D stuff tends to haveuJ large changes - even with cards having the same family name.  And every soK many years, the architecture will be completely chucked for a new one.  TherJ changes driving 3D graphics seem to be downloadable microprograms to allow custom rendering on the board.  J There really are only two major 3D vendors anymore - nVidea and ATI.  TheyL both are very protective of their intellectual property (as well they shouldL be).  It's no longer like it was say, 5 years ago, when you could easily getG the entire programming spec for a card from a vendor, and there were ate; least 5 vendors you could go to, not including OEM vendors.n  J Both ATI and nVidea are very focused on their volume market - Windows. TheA other markets - like LINUX/UNIX are second tier.  From a business ' standpoint - that makes a lot of sense.   9 The ATI cards seem pretty good, and plenty fast.  So it'sOJ six-of-one-half-dozen-of-the-other which one you use.  For VMS, the RadeonH fits our needs for most things - what it lacks is some features that areH very old-line workstation centric - like overlay planes and simultanious pixel formats/depths.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:10:51 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question* Message-ID: <00A1AA81.0E698DE8.3@decus.de>  B "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote:   > [...]  >h > Personal opinion:n >/I > Actually, I'd have preferred 3Dlabs, who is really known for their highnJ > quality workstation graphics... but the P10 was a little late.  ATI withI > their aquisition of the IBM FireGL line now has some real "workstation"nK > quality graphics, and I expect that they will start to merge their Radeone > and FireGL technologies. >  > [...]k >LL > Both ATI and nVidea are very focused on their volume market - Windows. TheC > other markets - like LINUX/UNIX are second tier.  From a business ) > standpoint - that makes a lot of sense.e >a; > The ATI cards seem pretty good, and plenty fast.  So it'saL > six-of-one-half-dozen-of-the-other which one you use.  For VMS, the RadeonJ > fits our needs for most things - what it lacks is some features that areJ > very old-line workstation centric - like overlay planes and simultanious > pixel formats/depths.g  J From the "ATI Radeon 7500 Installation Guide" (PDF, "Overview", page 1-3):  
 <start quote>nF Each Radeon 7500 AGP card is supplied with a connector adaptor for use= on the DVI port so that a standard CRT or LCD monitor with GAiE interface can be connected to the second port on the Radeon 7500 AGP.gF Tru64 UNIX and OpenVMS require that the DVI-I to VGA connector adaptorF supplied with the card always be used. Support for the second port andF its use with Tru64 UNIX and OpenVMS will be available through optional 3D software and license. <end quote>p  % Why NO native support for the DVI ???a  @ That would allow the direct connection of LCD flatpanel displaysD without double conversion -- D-A on the adapter board and A-D withinF the display itself. Flatpanel displays are getting rather popular now.   Michael,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:38:16 -0500uA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>t@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question. Message-ID: <3e36c009$1_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in messagei$ news:00A1AA81.0E698DE8.3@decus.de...D > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote: >n >tL > From the "ATI Radeon 7500 Installation Guide" (PDF, "Overview", page 1-3): >  > <start quote> H > Each Radeon 7500 AGP card is supplied with a connector adaptor for use? > on the DVI port so that a standard CRT or LCD monitor with GAiG > interface can be connected to the second port on the Radeon 7500 AGP.-H > Tru64 UNIX and OpenVMS require that the DVI-I to VGA connector adaptorH > supplied with the card always be used. Support for the second port andH > its use with Tru64 UNIX and OpenVMS will be available through optional > 3D software and license.
 > <end quote>a > ' > Why NO native support for the DVI ???o >e  L Yes, this is confusing, and preliminary.  The "real" installation guide withG details for VMS will release when we release the code in a month or so.   H There are two ports on the board, a DVI port and an analog port.  In theL first release on OpenVMS, both ports will display the identical output (i.e.J you can use either) - this was a change from when the guide was originallyI written - I found the requirement to use the digital port with the dongleV' for standard output to be unacceptable.g  1 There are problems in some of the permutations insK initializing/plugging/unplugging and multi-card with directly using the DVIfG port, and the Tru64 guys punted support (at least for now).  I recentlydL obtained a DVI cable, and a TFT8020 and plan on experimenting with it to see what the limitations are.   E In a subsequent release, we also plan on supporting "dual head" mode,"K allowing each of the ports to act as seperate displays - that is, they willoH optionally show up as GHA0 and GHA1 (screen 0 and screen 1).  BUT we areK concentrating on multi-card multi-head for PCI first - since A) many of ouriH multi-display customers use 4 or more heads, and B) the "dual head" mode@ effectively delivers 1/2 the bandwidth of the card to each head.  B > That would allow the direct connection of LCD flatpanel displaysF > without double conversion -- D-A on the adapter board and A-D withinH > the display itself. Flatpanel displays are getting rather popular now. >t  J Yes, I see them more and more of them.  Most also have at least one analogL port.  But yes, I agree that we want to support the DVI connector directly -K and we will be working on it.  But I can't guarantee that it will be in theeL first release (or it may work with limitations).  It's not a "P0" item, justI like stereo wasn't a P0 for the P350.  But a subsequent release supportede( it, and AFAIK nobody yet has used it :-(   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:25:39 -0800t$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>@ Subject: RE: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question0 Message-ID: <01C2C6B7.AD836720@sulfer.icius.com>  F You know, if I wasn't such a pessimist I'd find this very encouraging.D It looks like Fred's getting the chance to /really/ support the cardB this time. IIRC (not a safe bet) the support for the last round of( graphics cards was rather less complete.  G Could this possibly be a sign of HP funding a VMS enhancement properly?e   Shaneo   -----Original Message-----F From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com]' Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:38 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question      1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in messageo$ news:00A1AA81.0E698DE8.3@decus.de...D > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote: >o > L > From the "ATI Radeon 7500 Installation Guide" (PDF, "Overview", page 1-3): >A > <start quote>.H > Each Radeon 7500 AGP card is supplied with a connector adaptor for use? > on the DVI port so that a standard CRT or LCD monitor with GAeG > interface can be connected to the second port on the Radeon 7500 AGP.5H > Tru64 UNIX and OpenVMS require that the DVI-I to VGA connector adaptorH > supplied with the card always be used. Support for the second port andH > its use with Tru64 UNIX and OpenVMS will be available through optional > 3D software and license.
 > <end quote>m >r' > Why NO native support for the DVI ???n >r  G Yes, this is confusing, and preliminary.  The "real" installation guidei withG details for VMS will release when we release the code in a month or so.T  H There are two ports on the board, a DVI port and an analog port.  In theF first release on OpenVMS, both ports will display the identical output (i.e. ? you can use either) - this was a change from when the guide was 
 originallyB written - I found the requirement to use the digital port with the dongle' for standard output to be unacceptable.e  1 There are problems in some of the permutations inrG initializing/plugging/unplugging and multi-card with directly using thes DVIlG port, and the Tru64 guys punted support (at least for now).  I recentlyaH obtained a DVI cable, and a TFT8020 and plan on experimenting with it to see  what the limitations are.r  E In a subsequent release, we also plan on supporting "dual head" mode,:F allowing each of the ports to act as seperate displays - that is, they willH optionally show up as GHA0 and GHA1 (screen 0 and screen 1).  BUT we areG concentrating on multi-card multi-head for PCI first - since A) many ofa ourrH multi-display customers use 4 or more heads, and B) the "dual head" mode@ effectively delivers 1/2 the bandwidth of the card to each head.  B > That would allow the direct connection of LCD flatpanel displaysF > without double conversion -- D-A on the adapter board and A-D withinH > the display itself. Flatpanel displays are getting rather popular now. >S  C Yes, I see them more and more of them.  Most also have at least oneo analogA port.  But yes, I agree that we want to support the DVI connector/
 directly -G and we will be working on it.  But I can't guarantee that it will be in- the G first release (or it may work with limitations).  It's not a "P0" item,n just? like stereo wasn't a P0 for the P350.  But a subsequent release 	 supported8( it, and AFAIK nobody yet has used it :-(   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:40:14 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>l* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?J Message-ID: <iDwZ9.212526$pDv.175050@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageF news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660CF0@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcor p.net... Jeffrey,  F >>>The slow part is going to be usually between the web server and theF Internet (T1, etc) while the connection between the web server and theB system running the application will probably be at least 100MB.<<<  C Something to keep in mind is that TCPware (Process Software) V5.6-2r@ provides a feature called paired network interface which imho is prettyB cool. We are using it on a large VAX to Alpha migration project in9 Toronto that is slated to go live in mid April timeframe.e  B This feature provides both automatic fail-over and fail-back TCPIP availability features.  B While its primary design is for availability, with a pair of CiscoC 4006's (what we have - other switches trunked together would likelyu alsoE work) it also allows one to make multiple 100Mb/Gb network interfacesyF (on different PCI buses and network switches) appear as one virtual IP address.  D We were able to start telnet session to the virtual IP address, pull the D cable on the physical link where the session was established and theE telnet session automatically flipped and continued on the backup linktC connected to the other Cisco 4006. After the cable was put back in, D approx 60 sec's later, the same telnet session automatically flipped= back to the original port - no impact on that telnet session.r  D It provides a form of transmit load balancing as well in that if theC primary link is busy, it will transmit data on one of the alternateSB links. This would be of use in large FTP transfers where Customers$ download large files from your site.    - ---------------------------------------------a  D (Don't know what it is about Kerry's messages -- whenever I reply to/ them they are never quoted with '>>'. Oh well).   @ So presumably this will also work fine with a DR cluster that is$ located some miles from the primary?  B We are also exploring the possibility of also running the db as anD outsourced service - so no single point of failure would be allowed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:27:47 +0100/8 From: "Marco Trecate" <marco.trecateNOSPAM@NOSPAMtxt.it>6 Subject: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2?2 Message-ID: <b15igi$j99$1@newsreader.mailgate.org>   Hi,-C could anybody please point me to a for-dummies tutorial (possibly a/J step-by-step procedure) about configuring the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2? IH know nothing about VMS and have to setup FTP access for local users of aI cluster of Microvaxes. The TCP/IP stack and the FTP server itself must beSI installed and running, since I can establish a connection. Unfortunately,t logins failt' both as a regular user and anonymously.D Thanks in advance, Marco.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:08:23 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>r: Subject: Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2?' Message-ID: <3E3672B7.F87510B4@aaa.com>c  ) (First, VMS and TCPIP versions, please !)*  6 If you can connect the FTP server, it's already setup.  (Check with TCPIP SHOW SERVICES)  2 Check the FTP log file on the users home directly.6 The users could have something in there LOGIN.COM that don't play well with FTP.I  < Check ACCOUNTING for any final status codes from thet failed FTP connections.  # Do you need anonymous connections ?c  	 Jan-Erik.h   Marco Trecate wrote: >  > Hi,vE > could anybody please point me to a for-dummies tutorial (possibly a7L > step-by-step procedure) about configuring the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2? IJ > know nothing about VMS and have to setup FTP access for local users of aK > cluster of Microvaxes. The TCP/IP stack and the FTP server itself must bepK > installed and running, since I can establish a connection. Unfortunately, 
 > logins fail&) > both as a regular user and anonymously.i > Thanks in advance, > Marco.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:00:20 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>n: Subject: Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2?? Message-ID: <43fbe2bb4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>B  & In message <3E3672B7.F87510B4@aaa.com>1           Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:t  + > (First, VMS and TCPIP versions, please !)c > 8 > If you can connect the FTP server, it's already setup." > (Check with TCPIP SHOW SERVICES) > 4 > Check the FTP log file on the users home directly.8 > The users could have something in there LOGIN.COM that > don't play well with FTP.: > > > Check ACCOUNTING for any final status codes from thet failed > FTP connections. > % > Do you need anonymous connections ?T >  > Jan-Erik.8  H I would add that it seems to fail for all your users, so also check thatI SYS$SYLOGIN (usually SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM) is not causing the problem.B     >  > Marco Trecate wrote: > >  > > Hi,iG > > could anybody please point me to a for-dummies tutorial (possibly aIN > > step-by-step procedure) about configuring the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2? IL > > know nothing about VMS and have to setup FTP access for local users of aM > > cluster of Microvaxes. The TCP/IP stack and the FTP server itself must betM > > installed and running, since I can establish a connection. Unfortunately,a > > logins failI+ > > both as a regular user and anonymously.v > > Thanks in advance,
 > > Marco.   -- e
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:50:41 +0100a- From: "Marco" <m.trecate@NOSPAMtiscalinet.it>c: Subject: Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2?2 Message-ID: <b165ag$rq1$1@newsreader.mailgate.org>  $ Jan-Erik, Alan, thank you very much. Marco.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:32:16 -0500G; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>t: Subject: Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2?$ Message-ID: <3e36b08d$1@news.si.com>  D >could anybody please point me to a for-dummies tutorial (possibly aI >step-by-step procedure) about configuring the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2?u  I Step 1: Disable the FTP that comes with your IP stack, especially if it's5	 CHomPaq'sAC Step 2: Download HGFTP from Hunter Goatley's Process Software site.oL Step 3: Install HGFTP and configure it exactly the way you want it using the fine documentation. + Step 4: Never worry about it working again.t -- yI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comy5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.t@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991l8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:22:44 GMTB- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)  Subject: OpenVMS and IPv6?% Message-ID: <H9F0Lw.EA@world.std.com>j  G I'm on a bit of a networking kick tonight--apologies.  Does anyone here.H run OpenVMS with IPv6?  Are there many applications available which make3 use of it yet?  Also, can you run DECnet over IPv6?    -brian.  -- aF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:14:37 -0400o0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>5 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image questiond/ Message-ID: <3E362DDB.EE009455@vl.videotron.ca>M   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:N> > Please see the "Sharable Image Cookbook" by Stephen Hoffman.A > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/swdev/ovms-shexe-cook.htmlr  K Now that my bet on when VMS would boot on that IA64 thing is off, I guess I D can be nice to the engineers :-) Thank's Hoff. Your document is very0 informative, albeit carrying bad news for me :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:19:04 -0400s0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>5 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image questionC/ Message-ID: <3E362EE6.BCA55FE6@vl.videotron.ca>s   danco@ns2.pebble.org wrote:aL > Yes.  BTW, invoking MAIL meaning 1) the MAIL main image (in a subprocess?)M > or 2) calling the mail callable routines?  Those are two different animals.   # A third animal: foreign transports.d  M MAIL (the image) does a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL on a shareable image (mine) andbI then repeatedly calls one single routine inside that shareable image withtM different codes (one to set things up, one with the FROM, on with each of theo! TO, CC, Subject and text etc etc.q  H The problem is that I need to fake the FROM and that requires privilegesK (SYSPRV). But I also eventually wnat the user to be able to include bninary I files in the message, which means that my shareable image will be the one I opening those files to be included in the message. This means that I mustnI enforce whatever the USA has access to, not what the image has access to.   F ALL-IN-1 does similar things, but then again, it has its own image andJ probably finds out very early in the image activation whether the user hasJ SYSPRV or not. (A1 enable SYSPRV to access the shared files areas to which% regular users do not have access to).t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:10:48 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>05 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image questiont? Message-ID: <67f0e3bb4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>n  . In message <3E362EE6.BCA55FE6@vl.videotron.ca>;           JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:R   > danco@ns2.pebble.org wrote:/N > > Yes.  BTW, invoking MAIL meaning 1) the MAIL main image (in a subprocess?)O > > or 2) calling the mail callable routines?  Those are two different animals.a > % > A third animal: foreign transports.C > O > MAIL (the image) does a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL on a shareable image (mine) and>K > then repeatedly calls one single routine inside that shareable image withFO > different codes (one to set things up, one with the FROM, on with each of thec# > TO, CC, Subject and text etc etc.< > J > The problem is that I need to fake the FROM and that requires privilegesM > (SYSPRV). But I also eventually wnat the user to be able to include bninary4K > files in the message, which means that my shareable image will be the oneHK > opening those files to be included in the message. This means that I must K > enforce whatever the USA has access to, not what the image has access to.o > H > ALL-IN-1 does similar things, but then again, it has its own image andL > probably finds out very early in the image activation whether the user hasL > SYSPRV or not. (A1 enable SYSPRV to access the shared files areas to which' > regular users do not have access to).>  J The system service $CHECK_ACCESS is provided to allow a server to find outJ whether the client user it is working for can access the requested object.I I'm not sure whether it can handle the case of a user with an authorised,rG rather than default privilege. However $CHECK_PRIVILEGE would also bear  investigation. t  G Using these should save you turning on and off privs as the server, andvJ would also avoid falling into the "system group UIC" trap - if your serverI runs as a UIC in the system group i.e. less than MAXSYSGRP, it has SYSPRV 1 access even without having the privilege enabled.P   Alan   -- U
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:24:34 +0100h( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>3 Subject: Questions about UNZIP from System Tools CD : Message-ID: <MDEJJFGEEOPAFONJONBKAEPKCKAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  C I would like to install UNZIP from the System Tools. So I have somet
 questions:C Unlike TAR and ZIP there is no AXP_EXE. So I have to build the EXE.pF There two OBJ files UNZIP and UNZIP_CLI. Do I need both or only one of them? If only one, which one?eA Also I did see, that there a manuals in the nroff format. Are anycC manual in a PC or OpenVMS printable format within the internet and/t or the FREEWARE CD? # TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:16:36 +0100=9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>i7 Subject: Re: Questions about UNZIP from System Tools CDO' Message-ID: <3E3674A4.9E442DA2@aaa.com>s  7 If you would like to be sure that youo run the absolute G latest version, check also "http://www.process.com/openvms/index.html".O   Jan-Erik Sderholm.     Rudolf Wingert wrote:M >  > Hello, > 6 > I would like to install UNZIP from the System Tools.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:08:24 +010088 From: "serge.zangheri" <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com>! Subject: script to test disk SCSIS5 Message-ID: <3E369CE8.CAFFFF12@grenoble.sema.slb.com>R   Hi,P4 I'm looking for a script to test new installed disk.- does someone ever wrote this kind of script ?R init/write/read/show dev ......a Thanxm Serge    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:26:11 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)f% Subject: Re: script to test disk SCSIN+ Message-ID: <5kkjWTqXbC5x@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   p In article <3E369CE8.CAFFFF12@grenoble.sema.slb.com>, "serge.zangheri" <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com> writes: > Hi,i6 > I'm looking for a script to test new installed disk./ > does someone ever wrote this kind of script ?a! > init/write/read/show dev ......)    - Before INIT: mcr sys$etc:rzdisk -t full ddcu:D  M$ After INIT and MOUNT:   ANALYZE/DISK   -- nN Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:24:35 +0100.8 From: "serge.zangheri" <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com>% Subject: Re: script to test disk SCSIi5 Message-ID: <3E36AEC3.B0B373C0@grenoble.sema.slb.com>&  C Thanx for your reply, I just forgot to say I'm running VMS 5.5-2H4.-   Joseph Huber a crit :  r > In article <3E369CE8.CAFFFF12@grenoble.sema.slb.com>, "serge.zangheri" <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com> writes: > > Hi,.8 > > I'm looking for a script to test new installed disk.1 > > does someone ever wrote this kind of script ?e# > > init/write/read/show dev ....... >1/ > Before INIT: mcr sys$etc:rzdisk -t full ddcu:c > & > After INIT and MOUNT:   ANALYZE/DISK >a > --P > Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 07:32:02 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d2 Subject: Re: Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer3 Message-ID: <+4l1r9FJNPMh@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  m In article <YOlZ9.62222$Gm2.1499699@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Curtis Justus" <donotspamme@foo.bar.edu> writes:e > Hello! > K > I have connected a printer from my OpenVMS server to a Windows 2000 print.L > server running Print Services for UNIX.  I need to send an escape sequenceL > at the beginning of every print job.  I'm guessing there is a file or someB > place in the configuration where I could set that... right?  ;-) >  > Thanks in advance, > cj  D    You probably want a setup module in sys$library:sysdevctl.tlb andE    set the queue up to use that, such as via /separate=(reset=setup).o      Take a good look at the FAQ.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:22:58 -0500t; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>r2 Subject: Re: Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer$ Message-ID: <3e36ae5f$1@news.si.com>  J >I have connected a printer from my OpenVMS server to a Windows 2000 printK >server running Print Services for UNIX.  I need to send an escape sequence % >at the beginning of every print job.   H What you're looking for is called a Device Control Library.  It's a textI library containing modules, with each module containing setup informationiI for specific functions.  The VMS print symbiont you are using can then beSL told to add the contents of one or more of these modules to the print streamD as it sends the job to the printer.  See the VMS documentation for a1 complete description of Device Control Libraries.s -- DI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comn5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.0@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:49:05 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 2 Subject: Re: Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer' Message-ID: <3E36B481.B8CA1B8A@fsi.net>n   Curtis Justus wrote: >  > Hello! > K > I have connected a printer from my OpenVMS server to a Windows 2000 print L > server running Print Services for UNIX.  I need to send an escape sequenceL > at the beginning of every print job.  I'm guessing there is a file or someB > place in the configuration where I could set that... right?  ;-) >  > Thanks in advance, > cj  C In VMSland, this is multi-step process. Here's a thumb-nail sketch:r  E The VMS parallel to the lpd is known as a "print symbiont". So callednH but it interacts with the Job Controller in a sort of symbiotic way. TheF PRINT and SUBMIT commands kick off jobs via the Job Controller. In theF case of print jobs, the JBC informs the symbiont associated with queueE that there's some work to be done, and then its up to the symbiont toa8 get the job informaion from the JBC and execute the job.  E The symbiont looks to a file called SYS$LIBRARY:SYSDEVCTL.TLB for thenF bits of text it sends to the printer at the beginning of the print jobG and/or at the top of every page as well as at the end of the print job. E As the ".TLB" extension implies, the file is a text library (see HELP>D LIBRARY and the documentation, especially the DCL dictionary and anyF document to which it refers youn regarding library files). Those "bits# of text" are called text "modules".s  E The text module(s) that are sent to the printer at the beginning of auE print job or at the top of every page are specified by the form beingp. used on a print queue. See HELP DEFINE /FORM.   D The text module(s) sent to the printer at the end of a print job are> specified in the queue setup. See INITIALIZE /QUEUE /SEPARATE.  G Note that SYSDEVCTL is the default library name for any queue. See HELPlG INIT /QUE /LIBRARY, but note that whatever library is associated with apA print queue will always be sought in the SYS$LIBRARY path with anhC extension of .TLB unless a system-wide logical name causes it to beo sought elsewhere.n  F For all of the VMS TCP/IP stacks, the LPD symbiont should function theF same as any other in this respect, with the caveat that early versionsE of the UCX print symbionts were not 100% compliant with the VMS PRINTrH command-line qualifiers. I believe that has since been cleaned up, but I! don't currently use UCX everyday.t   Hope this helps...   -- - David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:16:48 GMTc- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)JI Subject: Re: Storage network with VMS cluster and other OSses, ESS, EMC2?n& Message-ID: <H9F340.n59@world.std.com>  4 In article <1030126183623.631A-100000@Ives.egh.com>," John Santos  <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:1 > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote: 2 > > In article <3E2DA813.2060503@regenstrief.org>,@ > > Gunther Schadow  <gschadowREMOVETHIS@regenstrief.org> wrote:  I > > > Anyone here have real experience with ESS? In our situation we haveiF > > > reasons to do ESS because our partners in the same computer roomJ > > > have it (not on VMS) and they find maintenance service very good andH > > > like to have an integrated backup strategy (Tivoli). But, how muchJ > > > of this backup strategy would work cross-filessystems? I would thinkH > > > unless it is a raw blockwise backup independent from file-systems,I > > > there is pretty little chance of a common backup mechanism for bothe4 > > > VMS and Unix file systems. But I may be naive. > > K > > I know that Tivoli's TSM can support a wide variety of client platforms I > > with all sort of different filesystem types. (or now it is IBM's TSM,iK > > apparently; a few years ago it was called IBM ADSM before they flung itDJ > > off to Tivoli.  Now it seems to be back, directly under the control ofL > > IBM.)  It and VERITAS NetBackup are the two biggest players in the worldL > > of large scale backups.  Neither have an OpenVMS client in their currentL > > releases.  I seem to recall that TSM had one a number of years ago, but M > > I may be remembering incorrectly.  Having managed both a large TSM systemnM > > on AIX and now a large NetBackup system on Solaris; I can say that TSM is J > > by far the superior product from a purely technical standpoint, but it= > > does have a few things about it that I really don't like.4 > D > One of my customers started using TSM when it was Tivoli.  The VMSK > client wasn't from Tivoli but a 3rd-party, Storage Solutions Specialists,0C > Inc. of Colorado Springs, CO.  Their web site is www.storsol.com. E > It still seems to be current; the latest version is dated Nov 2002.e  F Ah, that's good to know.  My advice for Gunther would be to definitelyH investigate this and to consider backing up the OpenVMS portions of yourE SAN to TSM.  The alternative would be to setup your own system, maybeoG using something like Legato.  My experiences with Legato, under IRIX intG the mid-1990s and then again under Solaris in the late-1990s, were bothhF pretty bad.  It's 2003 now though, so maybe Legato have improved their, product a lot over the past couple of years.   -brian.a -- eF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:43:40 -0500h# From: Tom Rymes <tomnews@rymes.net>f( Subject: Terminal server recommendationsE Message-ID: <tomnews-C4643B.11433928012003@news.comcast.giganews.com>l  	 Hi folks,e  B as a sort of follow-up to my earlier question on upgrading from a ' MicroVAX 3100-95, I have this question:i  G What are recommendations for terminal servers to use with an Alpha? We pC currently have a number of serial devices hooked up to "harmonica" iH devices that plug directly into the VAX itself (roughly 8-ports each if G memory serves). I believe these are effectively (if not actually) real eG serial ports. Since an Alpha will not have the equivalent, I will need  , to move these devices to a terminal server.   I We currently have a DECServer 90L+ that, together with the serial ports, DH connects all serial devices in the local site to the VAX. What would be D a recommendation for terminal servers to buy that would allow me to I connect these devices. (It was mentioned in the earlier thread, but I am eI still a bit confused as to the differences between DECRepeater (Ethernet ,I Hub?) DECServer (Terminal Server & Hub?), DEC Switch (Ethernet switch?), eI and the differences between the 90 series and the 900 series (other than M size.   H I have run across DECHub 900 units, which seem a bit much for my needs, H and MultiStack systems, but I don't want to make this more complex than 
 I need to.  G So, would I be advised to purchase a couple DECServer 90M units and go fI from there, or maybe just more DECServer 90L+ units? What about locating VH multiple MultiStack Bases to stack a few together, or just go whole hog G and locate a DECHub 900, plug my existing 90L+ into that, and get some nF DECServer 900TM or something of the like? Obviously, I am planning on G eBay for some or all of this stuff, along with maybe other refurbished c dealers.  8 Thank you, and my apologies for the long, rambling post,   Toms   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 11:03:15 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)., Subject: Re: Terminal server recommendations3 Message-ID: <uFamSO4UPY14@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  k In article <tomnews-C4643B.11433928012003@news.comcast.giganews.com>, Tom Rymes <tomnews@rymes.net> writes:   I > What are recommendations for terminal servers to use with an Alpha? We xE > currently have a number of serial devices hooked up to "harmonica" gJ > devices that plug directly into the VAX itself (roughly 8-ports each if I > memory serves). I believe these are effectively (if not actually) real .I > serial ports. Since an Alpha will not have the equivalent, I will need T. > to move these devices to a terminal server.   B One of the DECserver 200 variants (NOT the "/MC" variant) supportsC that harmonica connector at the end of a cable, and I have found iteA works for me with Alpha just fine.  Then again I don't need modeml control.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:48:19 +0100t9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e, Subject: Re: Terminal server recommendations' Message-ID: <3E36C263.54919F83@aaa.com>p  > If you want logging and event watching, you need some software, solution, such as the old "Console Manager".  9 If you "just" need access to the serial console port overV7 the (tcpip) network, just about any serial terminal- ore printer-server would do.  C I have what I think is a Emulex "printer server" (1P/1S) connencted E to the serial console on a AlphaServer 1200. I telnet to port 2001 onr? the servere and get the "console" online. Logging could be doneC< by starting logging from my Reflection emulator., if needed.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.i   Tom Rymes wrote: > E > What are recommendations for terminal servers to use with an Alpha?-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:40:35 GMTmA From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>j, Subject: Re: Terminal server recommendations= Message-ID: <D8AZ9.3866$Ba4.24854827@news-text.cableinet.net>    A few ideas:J - Get DECservers which boot locally from Flash memory, not by MOP / BOOTP.5 - Get DECservers which support TCP/IP as well as LAT.tG - Sort out how many ports you need in different areas of the building -F depends on your wiring layout.J - Several 8 port devices will give better overall availability that one 32L port device, but it's a little more complex to set up and manage. You can doH nice stuff like generic print queue to a pair of execution queues, whereK each execution queue drives a printer on one of a pair of DECservers (maybe " even of different ethernet rails).L - "90" form factor devices are cheaper and more compact. Also lets you power each one individually.F - TSM (now freeware) is very useful, even for one DECserver - lets youG easily save & restore configs and set things up via command procedures. L Always set up pretty much anything by going back to factory default and thenK using a command procedure to apply the changes you need - that way it'll betE consistent, it's documented and it can be e-mailed to support people.   L So, if all you want is DECservers then a few DECserver 90M (with Flash) willJ work just fine. If you want more (10/100/1000 ethernet, multiple backplaneJ interlinks etc.) then the DEChub 900 and a collection of DEChub 900 seriesL modules (VNswitches, DECserver 900TM etc. etc.) will do pretty much anythingL you need, but you'll need the clearVisn software to configure the DEChub 900F backplane interconnects. Also don't forget to ensure that you load theK recent firmware (available from www.digitalnetworks.net) into your 90 / 900eI series devices (DECserver firmware is licensed and not available for free"
 download).   -- Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin.p' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:39:56 GMT " From: Steve Young <steve@well.com>< Subject: Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC< Message-ID: <0DwZ9.133980$Yo4.6387261@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>  N In article <r1oZ9.134447$H7.5454200@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>, Steve Young wrote:D >   I have obtained a copy of the VAX 7.3 hobbyist kit, and I have aD > CD-ROM capable of doing 512-byte sectors.  However, when I put it B > in my external enclosure and hook it up to my VAX, what I see at > boot-time is:o  E   Someone mentioned to me in e-mail that it might help if I specified C my CD-ROM model; it's a Compaq SCSI-2 2x, which is in fact an OEM'dBD Panasonic CR-503B.  For whatever it's worth it works on a Sun I have
 lying around.t  D   The NI error is apparently a warning about an unconnected network F interface; I had disconnected the transceiver to ensure a good fit for7 the SCSI cable while I was working on getting it going.,  	   Thanks,1   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:52:43 -0600n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>C< Subject: Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC' Message-ID: <3E36B55B.A23568AC@fsi.net>.   Steve Young wrote: > 
 >   Hello, > D >   I have obtained a copy of the VAX 7.3 hobbyist kit, and I have aC > CD-ROM capable of doing 512-byte sectors.  However, when I put it B > in my external enclosure and hook it up to my VAX, what I see at > boot-time is:  >  > ?? 001   9        NI  0172 > ?? 150  10      SCSI  0034 > ; >   after the mem. check has completed.  SHOW DEV gives me:2 > Q >   VMS/VMB      ADDR      DEVTYPE    NUMBYTES     RM/FX    WP    DEVNAM      REV Q >   -------      ----      -------    --------     -----    --    ------      ---0" >   ESA0         08-00-2B-BB-4E-8AR >   DKA300       A/3/0     DISK         1.05GB      FX            RZ26L       442D >                A/5/0 >                A/5/1 >                A/5/2 >                A/5/3 >                A/5/4 >                A/5/5 >                A/5/6 >                A/5/7  >  ..HostID..    A/6       INITR > O >   My CD is set to SCSI ID 5.  If I change that setting then the 8 A/5 entries M > in the middle change to reflect whatever the new ID is.  So it's seeing thetB > drive, but it appears to be doing something weird with the LUNs. > M >   I have termination disabled on my CD-ROM, and have plugged the terminator O > that came with the system into the other port of the external enclosure.  The,M > first port on the enclosure is obviously directly connected to the vax witha( > the requesite 50-pin centronics cable. > K >   Can anyone offer me some suggestions as to what I might be doing wrong?   F First guess time: the CD-ROM may not be compatible with the interface.  F Second guess time: you may be using an active terminator where passive is required.  + What is the make/model of the CD-ROM drive?m   -- u David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:09:47 +1100o1 From: "Malcolm Wade" <Malcolm.Wade@bikerider.com> , Subject: Re: VAXcluster support of database?; Message-ID: <3e363acd$0$2327$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>e  H Well at my place of employment we've been running (now) Oracle RDB in anK OpenVMS clustered environment for over 10 years.  Access to a database fromaA any node in the cluster, and that's all in a TP environment where  performance counts.e   Malcolmt  1 "Lee Roth" <leeroth@my-deja.com> wrote in message 6 news:d0e744c9.0301272126.7c5e6aa@posting.google.com...< > In an article on Dell moving DB servers from Sun platforms; > to a Dell-based Linux cluster, comes the following quote:e >r8 > "Running databases on clusters of computers has been aA > technically difficult task, which so far has been achieved onlya> > by Hewlett-Packard's NonStop group (formerly the independent> > company Tandem) and by NCR's Teradata group, said Illuminata@ > analyst Jonathan Eunice, but it's starting to become workable.= > It works best with databases from which computers read dataB/ > often but don't have to write as frequently."i > < > Full article at: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981893.html >n< > My question: Wasn't a version of Oracle DB VMS-clusterable. > and thus should have been mentioned as well? >s	 > Thanks,( >  > Lee-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:50:53 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: VAXcluster support of database?6 Message-ID: <GByZ9.24837$H67.113075@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  K And I'm also accessing Oracle (not RDB) on my Alpha cluster, from any node.FK I do not use the parallel server option so I I an instance on just one nodeoK at a time, but should that node fail I can start the instance just as soon,t4 on another node and have everyone reconnect at once.G Not completely transparent to the application, but close enough for ouroL needs. With Oracle Parallel Server I could make it transparent to the users.  L On a weendoze cluster for example, I don't see how this would be possible as! they don't share the disk drives.tK In fact we have an application (weendoze based) that usually makes use of a H MS-Access database, but we could not make that work on weendoze clustersL (because of its limitations) so we move the data over to our Oracle ruinning on OpenVMS.6   --   OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0e   SyltremwI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)o8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  L "Malcolm Wade" <Malcolm.Wade@bikerider.com> a crit dans le message de news:0 3e363acd$0$2327$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...J > Well at my place of employment we've been running (now) Oracle RDB in anH > OpenVMS clustered environment for over 10 years.  Access to a database fromC > any node in the cluster, and that's all in a TP environment wheree > performance counts.t >t	 > Malcolmp > 3 > "Lee Roth" <leeroth@my-deja.com> wrote in messages8 > news:d0e744c9.0301272126.7c5e6aa@posting.google.com...> > > In an article on Dell moving DB servers from Sun platforms= > > to a Dell-based Linux cluster, comes the following quote:r > >P: > > "Running databases on clusters of computers has been aC > > technically difficult task, which so far has been achieved onlyo@ > > by Hewlett-Packard's NonStop group (formerly the independent@ > > company Tandem) and by NCR's Teradata group, said IlluminataB > > analyst Jonathan Eunice, but it's starting to become workable.? > > It works best with databases from which computers read datau1 > > often but don't have to write as frequently."l > >n> > > Full article at: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981893.html > >a> > > My question: Wasn't a version of Oracle DB VMS-clusterable0 > > and thus should have been mentioned as well? > >  > > Thanks,r > >p > > Lee? >e >g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:00:20 -0600p- From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> , Subject: RE: VAXcluster support of database?J Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16586@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6EE.BD906C30i Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable-   Syltrem-  E I am interested in how you fail over your ORACLE from one VMS node to?G another - our site is looking to do the same.  Can you be more specificrG about the process when you get the opportunity?  Is this an automatic =  orF manual failover event?  Do you have a heartbeat monitor?  ORACLE setup files, etc., etc., etc. =20I  C I have some ideas, however would love to hear those that are in a =  working 0 environment.  Would be much appreciated, thanks!   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorf Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wko 972.371.4003 fxu       -----Original Message-----/ From: Syltrem [mailto:syltremzulu@videotron.ca] ( Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:51 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp, Subject: Re: VAXcluster support of database?    G And I'm also accessing Oracle (not RDB) on my Alpha cluster, from any =o node.rH I do not use the parallel server option so I I an instance on just one = nodeG at a time, but should that node fail I can start the instance just as =u soon, 4 on another node and have everyone reconnect at once.G Not completely transparent to the application, but close enough for our G needs. With Oracle Parallel Server I could make it transparent to the =a users.  B On a weendoze cluster for example, I don't see how this would be = possible asg! they don't share the disk drives.dH In fact we have an application (weendoze based) that usually makes use = of aA MS-Access database, but we could not make that work on weendoze =s clustersE (because of its limitations) so we move the data over to our Oracle =  ruinning on OpenVMS.S   --   OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0o   Syltrem A http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en =  fran=E7ais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  G "Malcolm Wade" <Malcolm.Wade@bikerider.com> a =E9crit dans le message =m de news:0 3e363acd$0$2327$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...I > Well at my place of employment we've been running (now) Oracle RDB in =S anA > OpenVMS clustered environment for over 10 years.  Access to a =r database fromC > any node in the cluster, and that's all in a TP environment wherer > performance counts.t >b	 > Malcolme >e3 > "Lee Roth" <leeroth@my-deja.com> wrote in message 8 > news:d0e744c9.0301272126.7c5e6aa@posting.google.com...> > > In an article on Dell moving DB servers from Sun platforms= > > to a Dell-based Linux cluster, comes the following quote:s > >I: > > "Running databases on clusters of computers has been aC > > technically difficult task, which so far has been achieved onlyc@ > > by Hewlett-Packard's NonStop group (formerly the independent@ > > company Tandem) and by NCR's Teradata group, said IlluminataB > > analyst Jonathan Eunice, but it's starting to become workable.? > > It works best with databases from which computers read datav1 > > often but don't have to write as frequently."e > >m> > > Full article at: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981893.html > >-> > > My question: Wasn't a version of Oracle DB VMS-clusterable0 > > and thus should have been mentioned as well? > >h > > Thanks,j > >R > > Lee  >e >     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6EE.BD906C303 Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"o+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">r <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =c charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12"> 2 <TITLE>RE: VAXcluster support of database?</TITLE> </HEAD>n <BODY>  ! <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Syltrem-</FONT>  </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am interested in how you fail over your ORACLE from =iI one VMS node to another - our site is looking to do the same.&nbsp; Can = 9 you be more specific about the process when you get the =hI opportunity?&nbsp; Is this an automatic or manual failover event?&nbsp; =sH Do you have a heartbeat monitor?&nbsp; ORACLE setup files, etc., etc., = etc.&nbsp; </FONT></P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have some ideas, however would love to hear those =aE that are in a working environment.&nbsp; Would be much appreciated, =e thanks!</FONT></P>  % <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Brandon</FONT>n3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT> . <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>~) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT>  </P> <BR> <BR>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> & <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Syltrem [<A =I HREF=3D"mailto:syltremzulu@videotron.ca">mailto:syltremzulu@videotron.ca=i </A>]</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:51 AM</FONT>3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>oF <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: VAXcluster support of database?</FONT> </P> <BR>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>And I'm also accessing Oracle (not RDB) on my Alpha =  cluster, from any node.</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I do not use the parallel server option so I I an =  instance on just one node</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>at a time, but should that node fail I can start the =  instance just as soon,</FONT>dC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>on another node and have everyone reconnect at =e once.</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Not completely transparent to the application, but =  close enough for our</FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>needs. With Oracle Parallel Server I could make it =   transparent to the users.</FONT> </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On a weendoze cluster for example, I don't see how =  this would be possible as</FONT>; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>they don't share the disk drives.</FONT>iI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>In fact we have an application (weendoze based) that =e usually makes use of a</FONT> H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>MS-Access database, but we could not make that work = on weendoze clusters</FONT>eE <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(because of its limitations) so we move the data =t" over to our Oracle ruinning</FONT>% <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>on OpenVMS.</FONT>g </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--</FONT>e </P>  6 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0</FONT> </P>    <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Syltrem</FONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A HREF=3D"http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem" =nI TARGET=3D"_blank">http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem</A> (OpenVMS related =e  web site - en fran=E7ais)</FONT>E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my =i address</FONT> </P>  , <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;Malcolm Wade&quot; =A &lt;Malcolm.Wade@bikerider.com&gt; a =E9crit dans le message de =l news:</FONT> <BR><FONT =r@ SIZE=3D2>3e363acd$0$2327$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...</FONT>C <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Well at my place of employment we've been = % running (now) Oracle RDB in an</FONT>rC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; OpenVMS clustered environment for over 10 = ( years.&nbsp; Access to a database</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>from</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; any node in the cluster, and that's all in a TP =  environment where</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; performance counts.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>& <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Malcolm</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>. <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &quot;Lee Roth&quot; =3 &lt;leeroth@my-deja.com&gt; wrote in message</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; <A => HREF=3D"news:d0e744c9.0301272126.7c5e6aa@posting.google.com" =I TARGET=3D"_blank">news:d0e744c9.0301272126.7c5e6aa@posting.google.com</A=  >...</FONT>uF <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; In an article on Dell moving DB servers = from Sun platforms</FONT>nG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; to a Dell-based Linux cluster, comes the =n following quote:</FONT>i# <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>vE <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &quot;Running databases on clusters of =- computers has been a</FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; technically difficult task, which so far =t has been achieved only</FONT> A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; by Hewlett-Packard's NonStop group =i  (formerly the independent</FONT>D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; company Tandem) and by NCR's Teradata = group, said Illuminata</FONT>oI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; analyst Jonathan Eunice, but it's starting =c to become workable.</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; It works best with databases from which = computers read data</FONT>? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; often but don't have to write as =s frequently.&quot;</FONT># <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>o2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Full article at: <A =4 HREF=3D"http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981893.html" =F TARGET=3D"_blank">http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981893.html</A></FONT># <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>AI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; My question: Wasn't a version of Oracle DB =- VMS-clusterable</FONT>E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; and thus should have been mentioned as =< well?</FONT># <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>o+ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Thanks,</FONT>F# <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>e' <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Lee</FONT>m <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT> </P>   </BODY>P </HTML>I) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6EE.BD906C30--e   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 04:39:09 -0800% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)e# Subject: Re: VMS License Transfers? = Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0301280439.4108d8a1@posting.google.com>e  g "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:<3e358247$1@news.si.com>... E > >Some license can be sold with the hardware and others can be moved=, > >between machines you own.  None are both. > F > I believe VAXcluser and  DECnet licenses can be either relicensed or > redesignated.u  8 Correct, according to the website that Larry referenced.  D I hate when I do that, quote a web site from memory and then provide the link that makes me a liar.  ( Thanks Larry and all for the great info!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:25:05 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>r0 Subject: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.' Message-ID: <3E36CB01.8F950332@aaa.com>9   FYI...  1 If there is anyone out there *both* using VMS and 4 programming the microcontrollers that Microchip Inc.; produces (PIC's), I would just like to make a note that I'va< succesfully compiled (C) and linked the the free programming. environment called "JAL" for these processors.  4 If you don't know the PIC microcontrolers, a typical9 processor could have 2 kword flash program mem, 256 bytesc7 EEPROM, 64 bytes RAM, 5 chan 10-bit A/D, timers, USART,h= all in chips from 8 to 40 pins. More or less the "other side"o# of the IT world as seen from VMS...l   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 11:35:39 -00005 From: "Doc.Cypher" <doc_cypher@redneck.gacracker.org>M# Subject: Re: Was Doc's box cracked?K5 Message-ID: <20030128113539.7084.qmail@gacracker.org>.  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.-8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  = On 27 Jan 2003, gunfunny@hotmail.com (Mr. Gunfun Knee) wrote:gE >Tried to connect to vmsbox.cjb.net via SSH today (Tues, Jan 28, 2003mG >at 00:45 -0500 GMT) and my account was rejected... this seeming odd, I8D >decided to check out the website "http://vmsbox.cjb.net"... seems aF >cracker by the name of Pouet has gotten access and screwed up quite a >bit of stuff...   Nope, I've not been cracked.  F I show no login failures for your account, except on the 26th. Most of= those audit records are fails when setting your new password.U  B >Has the "very hard to crack" OpenVMS been cracked?  Please let usF >know, and if that was the case, then please please let us know how it
 >was done.  C No, the telco periodically forces customers to disconnect. When your; reconnect you are very unlikely to get the same IP address.P  K The change has to be updated to the dynamic DNS service, and propogate fromZ there.  J Make sure you've got the server's SSH fingerprint, and if there's anything; odd in connecting verify that - before you jump the gun. :)O  H If you want to know about an "incident", look on Bugtraq for postings byI Jean-Loup Gailly. If you have any suspicions that something has been done H to the server, don't post it here. First let me know, then I can take it from there.s     Doc. -- t: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nete   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:05:50 GMTe. From: "Mr. Gunfun Knee" <gunfunny@hotmail.com># Subject: Re: Was Doc's box cracked?r, Message-ID: <ymuZ9.68784$Ve4.6343@sccrnsc03>  H When I connected during that period I dl'd a new server SSH key... and IB verified that it was indeed your box that I was connecting to (viaE traceroute) and not the product of a compromise of one of the routersrG between my computer and yours.  But seing as your site was back up withiD in minutes... I can see how your point might be true.  I'm running aA port scan on your subnet to see if it might have been one of yourn# neighbors machines I was accessing.f   --Gunfunny--   Doc.Cypher wrote:   7 > NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.m: > No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.: > -------------------------------------------------------- > ? > On 27 Jan 2003, gunfunny@hotmail.com (Mr. Gunfun Knee) wrote: G > >Tried to connect to vmsbox.cjb.net via SSH today (Tues, Jan 28, 2003 I > >at 00:45 -0500 GMT) and my account was rejected... this seeming odd, ItF > >decided to check out the website "http://vmsbox.cjb.net"... seems aH > >cracker by the name of Pouet has gotten access and screwed up quite a > >bit of stuff... >  > Nope, I've not been cracked. > H > I show no login failures for your account, except on the 26th. Most of? > those audit records are fails when setting your new password.s > D > >Has the "very hard to crack" OpenVMS been cracked?  Please let usH > >know, and if that was the case, then please please let us know how it > >was done. > E > No, the telco periodically forces customers to disconnect. When yous= > reconnect you are very unlikely to get the same IP address.e > M > The change has to be updated to the dynamic DNS service, and propogate froms > there. > L > Make sure you've got the server's SSH fingerprint, and if there's anything= > odd in connecting verify that - before you jump the gun. :)o > J > If you want to know about an "incident", look on Bugtraq for postings byK > Jean-Loup Gailly. If you have any suspicions that something has been done J > to the server, don't post it here. First let me know, then I can take it
 > from there.y >  >  > Doc. >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 14:45:01 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]># Subject: Re: Was Doc's box cracked?a6 Message-ID: <20030128144501.13143.qmail@gacracker.org>  D On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, "Mr. Gunfun Knee" <gunfunny@hotmail.com> wrote:F >Did a port scan of the subnet, and my mistake... the ip of the user I; >accessed was 213.193.176.107, sorry for jumping the gun...   H Not really a good idea - doing the port scan. I hope you were "discreet"C about it and only checking a single port on each IP with reasonableeG intervals between them. Otherwise you might have upset one of my onlinef neighbours.r  E OTOH, if they're like me, and have been running services for a while,l> they'll be used to odd traffic following an IP address change.     Doc. -- s: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:32:26 GMTy. From: "Mr. Gunfun Knee" <gunfunny@hotmail.com># Subject: Re: Was Doc's box cracked?l, Message-ID: <uLuZ9.73085$AV4.3426@sccrnsc01>  E Did a port scan of the subnet, and my mistake... the ip of the user It: accessed was 213.193.176.107, sorry for jumping the gun...   --Gunfunny--     Doc.Cypher wrote:n  7 > NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.e: > No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.: > -------------------------------------------------------- > ? > On 27 Jan 2003, gunfunny@hotmail.com (Mr. Gunfun Knee) wrote: G > >Tried to connect to vmsbox.cjb.net via SSH today (Tues, Jan 28, 2003oI > >at 00:45 -0500 GMT) and my account was rejected... this seeming odd, IcF > >decided to check out the website "http://vmsbox.cjb.net"... seems aH > >cracker by the name of Pouet has gotten access and screwed up quite a > >bit of stuff... >  > Nope, I've not been cracked. > H > I show no login failures for your account, except on the 26th. Most of? > those audit records are fails when setting your new password.g > D > >Has the "very hard to crack" OpenVMS been cracked?  Please let usH > >know, and if that was the case, then please please let us know how it > >was done. > E > No, the telco periodically forces customers to disconnect. When you = > reconnect you are very unlikely to get the same IP address.d > M > The change has to be updated to the dynamic DNS service, and propogate from  > there. > L > Make sure you've got the server's SSH fingerprint, and if there's anything= > odd in connecting verify that - before you jump the gun. :)r > J > If you want to know about an "incident", look on Bugtraq for postings byK > Jean-Loup Gailly. If you have any suspicions that something has been donenJ > to the server, don't post it here. First let me know, then I can take it
 > from there.e >  >  > Doc. >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.056 ************************