0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 29 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 57      Contents:9 Re: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS) ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk E RE: Advanced Server question - client differences when reading fi	les = Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX 9 Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX  AS2100 serial console followup  Re: Binary PostScript under VMS?  Re: Binary PostScript under VMS?' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS . Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parms DE500 Strangeness  DEClaser 5100 update Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. EV7 / EV8 intellectual property # Re: EV7 / EV8 intellectual property 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? ! Re: High hit rate VMS Web server? 1 Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2? , Re: Privileges in a shareable image question) Re: Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer  Re: Storage Magazine and VMS# Re: Terminal server recommendations # Re: Terminal server recommendations # Re: Terminal server recommendations # RE: Terminal server recommendations # Re: Terminal server recommendations # Re: Terminal server recommendations 3 Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC 3 Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC # Re: VAXcluster support of database? # Re: VAXcluster support of database?  Re: VMS source listings ?  Re: VMS source listings ? + Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers. + RE: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers. + Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers. + Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers. + Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers. + Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 05:10:16 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) B Subject: Re: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS)& Message-ID: <H9GMD4.1B2@world.std.com>  0 In article <01C2C6B5.EE9BE6D0@sulfer.icius.com>,& Shane Smith  <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  G > If that's what it looks like, I have bought several in my local Fry's I > electronics store. Probably quite a bit cheaper than HP would sell them  > for, too.   I Are you sure about that?  The pinouts on the 68-pin side of the BC09J are G non-standard and predate the current 68-pin SCSI connectors.  Also, the H 68-pin connector on the cable is is female instead of the normal male.  I But even with a gender adapter, a modern 68-pin to 50-pin centronics SCSI , cable would be useless on a VAXstation 3100.   -brian.  --  F --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:00:43 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk3 Message-ID: <vrAZ9.17654$xv1.206102@news.chello.at>   ? In article <3E363351.8020103@gmx.ch>, dm <dimez@gmx.ch> writes: H >has anybody an idea how i can read (or copy) files from our VMS server  >(Ver 7.1.-2) from a PC disk. : >the pc is running with Windows Software (NT4, W2000, XP).K >a function, where a 'mapping' of such a disk would be possible could help. I >so the contrary of the function of pathwork (advanced server) is needed!   N FTP, SMBCLIENT (from the SAMBA freeware) and KERMIT can transfer single files.? NFS and DECnet-FAL can map a remote disk to a virtual VMS disk.   G FTP requires an FTP server running on the WINTEL box, which is possible < and available from M$ but normally not installed or enabled.  G NFS requires an NFS server running in the WINTEL box, which is possible * but not available from M$ and costs extra.  J DECnet-FAL requires DECnet on the PC (via PATHWORKS-32), which is possibleI but not recommended (because a common practice is to not install too much J S/W on the Personal Crap to not make it more unstable than it is already).  E >is there any software (for VMS and PC) which could be used for that? 1 >where can I find additional information or help?   1 As you can see, information can be found here ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:57:02 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk3 Message-ID: <y8CZ9.19541$xv1.240464@news.chello.at>   c In article <3E3671A1.9ED8492D@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  >John Travell wrote:O >> If it is more than just a 'one time' need, you might try Samba. This is open  >> source/freeware. H >> The link from http://us1.samba.org/ pointing to the VMS port goes to:7 >> http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html  > > >I thought the need was to access file *on the PC* *from VMS*. >Does Samba solve that ?    ( SAMBA is mainly a SMB file/print server.- But SAMBA includes SMBCLIENT which does this.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:24:56 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk' Message-ID: <3E36F528.EE93F067@aaa.com>   1 Of course, the smbclient, didn't thought of that. 1 You are right, that should work. You can at least 8 use it to connect to a share on the *same* SAMBA server,. but also on a share on some NT box, I'd guess.  < But how "scriptable" is smbclient ? For batch jobs and such.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.      Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > * > SAMBA is mainly a SMB file/print server./ > But SAMBA includes SMBCLIENT which does this.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:28:33 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")* Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk6 Message-ID: <00A1AA61.FFC9BF9E@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  [ In article <3E36B672.AD172872@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: 
 >dm wrote: >>  4 >> yes, access of files stored on a PC disk FROM VMS >>  , >> I have no idea and experience with SAMBA, > * >Is this a one time shot or on-going need? > - >If one-time, perhaps Kermit or FTP may help.  > C >Otherwise, an NFS server on the PC and an NFS client on VMS may be  >possibilities.   J One component of Samba is SMBCLIENT, a command-line utility that can fetchJ files from a PC server or copy to it, a la FTP - as distinct from allowing5 access to the file as though it were local, a la NFS.    -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:38:28 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk( Message-ID: <3E371474.2020902@rdrop.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: 9 > Latest is 2.2.7a, *much* faster then earlier version...   I On VMS? Where, might I ask, did you get that?  Lastest VMS version I see   on the samba.org site is 2.0.3   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:03:22 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")* Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk6 Message-ID: <00A1AA6F.3F198F0E@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  c In article <3E371567.DD72B2D3@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:   < >Alan, do you know if it's easy to "script" with smbclient ? >Or is it just interactive ?  J I just played with it a little bit a couple of years ago.  What I rememberB was that it was entirely command-line driven, which should make it easily scriptable from DCL.    -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:12:17 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk' Message-ID: <3E371C61.3890A8DC@aaa.com>   + http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/   C And, of course, it was advertised on the "Samba-VMS" mailing list :   ) http://lists.samba.org/listinfo/samba-vms   
 Have fun ! Jan-Erik Sderholm     Dean Woodward wrote: >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: ; > > Latest is 2.2.7a, *much* faster then earlier version...  > J > On VMS? Where, might I ask, did you get that?  Lastest VMS version I see  > on the samba.org site is 2.0.3   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:42:31 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk' Message-ID: <3E371567.DD72B2D3@aaa.com>   ; Alan, do you know if it's easy to "script" with smbclient ?  Or is it just interactive ?  Jan-Erik Sderholm  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > L > One component of Samba is SMBCLIENT, a command-line utility that can fetchL > files from a PC server or copy to it, a la FTP - as distinct from allowing7 > access to the file as though it were local, a la NFS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:34:33 +1030 : From: "Barratt, Chris (FMC)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au>N Subject: RE: Advanced Server question - client differences when reading fi	lesP Message-ID: <07103702F27FD411ACA30000F8085452044FF19E@sagemshs001.fmc.sa.gov.au>  " Forgot to mention version....  7.3   > -----Original Message----- > From: Barratt, Chris (FMC)  & > Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:13 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E > Subject: Advanced Server question - client differences when reading  > files  >  > F > I have a share set up via Advanced Server which contains a number of= > sequential files which are of the format fixed length, 120   > byte records.  >   = > When I connect to the share using an NT4 client and load a   > file into wordpad @ > (or notepad), the file loads in such a way that it recognises  > the end of7 > each record and starts each new record on a new line.  >   = > If I use a Windows 2000 or XP client connected to the same   > share and open7 > the same file from Wordpad, the end of record is not   > recognised and many " > records appear on the same line. >   @ > I am able to alleviate this by converting the files to stream  > files withE > carriage return control, but am interested to know why there is the > > difference between clients and if there is an easier way to  > get this working > for Windows 2000 clients ? >   	 > Thanks,  > Chris Barratt  >    >    >    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 16:29:13 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) F Subject: Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX3 Message-ID: <9W1n5EfUOKcX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <b16lk7$j9h$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> writes:   H >         GnuPG for VAX and Alpha V1.2 is up and available for your use.H >      Please go to the OpenVMS open source webpage to download the kit.0 >      http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/  $ Will it eventually make it onto CD ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:26:07 -0500 * From: "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM>B Subject: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX* Message-ID: <b16lk7$j9h$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   O.k. folks, F         GnuPG for VAX and Alpha V1.2 is up and available for your use.F      Please go to the OpenVMS open source webpage to download the kit..      http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/  !       Let us know what you think!                       - Leo   --
 Leo Demers  OpenVMS Security Product Manager Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM5 "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> wrote in message $ news:avk7gf$e0b$1@web1.cup.hp.com... > Hi Barry, L >      Your message is about a week or two early but yes I do know of a portK >  of GnuPG V1.2 for VAX and Alpha.  It's nearly done and ready. Stay tuned  to > the K > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/  website you'll see it up there  in > the K > next week or two.    I'll post something in here as well when the website  it > up.  >  > - Leo  >  > -- > Leo Demers" > OpenVMS Security Product Manager > Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM8 > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message# > news:3E1C7281.2070408@MMaz.com... G > > I'm looking for current, or as current as I can get, of sources for L > > GNUPG for the VAX, VMS 7.2.  I've located Alpha sources over at Caltech,H > > but ideally if I can get VAX sources, or even compiled objects, that< > > would save me a lot of grief...  Anyone have any leads?? > >  > > Regards, > > 	 > > Barry  > >  > > -- > > C > > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO  > > E > > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:51:49 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")' Subject: AS2100 serial console followup 6 Message-ID: <00A1AA65.4040C9D1@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   Comp.os.vmsers --   K I posted last week about a problem I was having getting an AlphaServer 2100 J 4/275 to talk to me on the serial console (in a DECterm on another system > using SET HOST/DTE, although I don't think that was relevant).  K I could talk to the console over this setup, but when I booted VMS from the J installation CD, it would talk to me but it ignored all my input.  (Kinda  like upper management at HP.)   K I want to thank the people who had suggestions, and indeed I finally got it & working by tweaking console variables.  K Initially it wanted me to input the time, and following Robert's suggestion L to set the OS_TYPE to VMS, it got past that point and got up to the menu on 5 the install disk - but still wouldn't take any input.   M The changes that finally got it talking to me were to set the flow_control on B that port to "both"; it had been "software" before, and to set the" keyboard_type from PCXAL to LK411.  M After that I was able to install VMS 7.2-2 and it seems to be working; it now  boots from a hard drive.   -- Alan       O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:20:36 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Binary PostScript under VMS? / Message-ID: <3E36F418.E758985E@vl.videotron.ca>    Christoph Gartmann wrote:  >  > Hello, > K > we need a program that is able to produce binary PostScript under OpenVMS L > 7.1-2. XV produces ASCII PS, the same with Mozilla. What else is availableQ > to produce level 2 PS from an image file and represent the image as binary data  > in the PS code?    What is the purpose of this ?   N You can use postscript to convert one format to another for an image. (that isM what postscript filters are for). (Postscript does have ability to read/write M to files, although generally useful onlt on distiller, unless you have a disk  drive on your printer).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:29:55 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Binary PostScript under VMS? / Message-ID: <3E36F647.A2B85DCB@vl.videotron.ca>   8 Postscript level 2 has the following filters for images:  = ASCIIHex  (encode/decode)  eg: ASCIIHexDecode, ASCIIHexEncode  ASCII85  (Encode/Deccode)  LZW  (Encode/Decode) RunLength (Decode/Encode)  CCITTFax (Encode/Decode)! DCT (Encode/Decode) (Jpeg images)    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 15:02:50 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <eJPFJoDqVt9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3E36E7D4.18B89ACE@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Please correct me here:  > H > I believe it was Rob Young that had a CRON.COM DCL proc. that could be# > kicked off as a detached process.  > J > Was this ever submited to Hunter Goatley's freeware archive? I don't see > it listed. >   @ 	No.  But groups.google.com is your friend.  Like Google itself,) 	the more popular ones bubble to the top.    	Here is a link:  c http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=t8CxB4TcKkNk%40eisner.encompasserve.org&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain   E 	To raise confidence a bit, we are using it in production.  Sometimes ? 	you get wearisome hacking out the DCL to fit the time span(s). 7 	For instance, this took all of a few minutes to setup:   P # Create and mail user accounting report for Townname at 05:33 am Monday morning # 2 33 5 * * 1 Submit/Noidentify/Queue=Sys$batch  			-= /User=System/Log=Site$Log:Townname_Accounting.Log/Noprint  	- " Site$Tools:Townname_Accounting.Com #   H 	Since it is production, we run a detached helper DCL utility in case it 	drops off a system:   $!N $!      CRON_WATCHER.COM  --  Monitors the CRON process on the "other" cluster n  ode  $! $       Set Noon $       Set Noverify $ ) $       Set Process/Name = "Cron_Watcher" 9 $       Assign/Process  f$trnlnm("Site$Log")  Sys$Scratch  $ N $       Wait 00:15:00.00        ! Wait 15 minutes at startup to make sure CRON w 
 as started $ ? $       This_Node = f$edit("''f$getsyi("NODENAME")'", "UPCASE")  $ " $       If This_Node .eqs. "NODE1" $       Then  $           Other_Node = "NODE2" $       Else  $           Other_Node = "NODE1"
 $       Endif  $ D $       Cron_To_Watch = "''Other_Node' CRON"    ! All uppercase for 
 comparison $ L $START:                                                 ! Loop to here every check  $       Ctx = ""? $       temp = f$context("PROCESS", Ctx, "NODENAME", "*","EQL") ? $       temp = f$context("PROCESS", Ctx, "USERNAME", "*","EQL")  $LOOP: $       Pid = "''f$pid(Ctx)'"  $       IF Pid .EQS. ""  $       Then $            Gosub CRON_DOWN $       Else1 $           Process_Name = f$getjpi(pid,"PRCNAM") F $           If "''f$edit(Process_name, "UPCASE")'" .eqs. Cron_To_Watch   [SNIP]  > 	Bunch of straight forward DCL.  The other fellow took what I > 	wrote and made it his own, 100+ characters per line and mixed# 	case on the DCL.  To each his own.   4 > Are there any others that would be worthy of note? > D > This comes up often enough that maybe it oughtta be developed in aD > compiled language (C?). The gripe there, of course, is introducing > security risks.   F 	Support.  It certainly would be very straightforward.  As I mentionedF 	before, when COE tools show up, surely grab CRON and use it.  Meaning% 	the effort may be temporary at best.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:11:53 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3E36F219.F65740C4@aaa.com>   4 I have a incarnation of CRON running on a production3 system. This version just does whole hours (I think $ Rob's also could handle minutes !?).  3 Anyway, The CRON.COM proc and the CRONTAB.DAT files 3 are, of course, fully protected. On the other hand, 6 I (the sysman) can of course specify any commanad file1 to be run by CRON that is readable by SYSTEM. And ; mosts jobs started by CRON are stared by "SUBMIT/USER=xxx", 7 so nothing (well apart from some backup scripts) is run  with elevated privs.  4 How does this "of course" intruduce security risks ?1 Or is it the possible rewrite in C that do that ?   < B.t.w, the one and only problem I'v had with the version I'm< running, was that after a couple of months, the CRON process6 (detached running CRON.COM) the process died with some; exhausted quota. Looked like some memory leak !? Was solved 7 by an entry in the CRONTAB.DAT file where the CRON proc : is re-started. The second copy dies imeediatly if there is8 already a copy running. The re-start is scheduled to run4 5 min *after* the next whole hour, so it will always7 be executed even if the CRON process crashes before the = re-start is done. I think this have gone away, CRON have been E up for 300+ days right now. (And the CRONTAB.DATA file has 14 entries  that gets evaluated each hour.)    $ sh proc/acc/id=1b07   G 28-JAN-2003 22:05:38.68   User: SYSTEM           Process ID:   00001B07 D                           Node: xxxxxx           Process name: "Cron Server"    Accounting information: A  Buffered I/O count:   1051701  Peak working set size:       2304 A  Direct I/O count:      412474  Peak virtual size:         167296 A  Page faults:          3311248  Mounted volumes:                0   Images activated:       52234)  Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:23:43.78 )  Connect time:            301 01:06:25.93  $    $ sh sys/noproc D OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node xxxxxx  28-JAN-2003 22:08:08.47  Uptime  302 06:02:01 $ sh proc/acc/id=1b07    Good enugh for me :-)     Jan-Erik Sderholm.      "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Please correct me here:  > H > I believe it was Rob Young that had a CRON.COM DCL proc. that could be# > kicked off as a detached process.  > J > Was this ever submited to Hunter Goatley's freeware archive? I don't see
 2> it listed.  > 4 > Are there any others that would be worthy of note? > D > This comes up often enough that maybe it oughtta be developed in aD > compiled language (C?). The gripe there, of course, is introducing > security risks.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:45:52 -0500 ' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS> Message-ID: <XSCZ9.2576$c6.2314@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Please correct me here:  > H > I believe it was Rob Young that had a CRON.COM DCL proc. that could be# > kicked off as a detached process.  > J > Was this ever submited to Hunter Goatley's freeware archive? I don't see > it listed. > 4 > Are there any others that would be worthy of note? > D > This comes up often enough that maybe it oughtta be developed in aD > compiled language (C?). The gripe there, of course, is introducing > security risks.  >   G Boy, I could have sworn a number of years ago there existed a CRON for  F VMS written in C...  Looked in my archives and turned up nothing, but  I'm still sure it existed.  G Not sure how CRON written in C (or other 3GL) would pose more security  ! risks than CRON written in DCL???   E My take is that most large sites either invest in a batch management  I application from one of the big 3rd party VMS vendors (the ones that are  H still around), or rolled their own (like CRON.COM).  We rolled our own. H   One of the big omissions from VMS as far as I was ever concerned -- a E splendid batch system implementation (better than Unix as far as I'm  C concerned), and no way to manage the jobs in it.  I've still never  F really completely accepted the Unix way of doing this because the VMS H way just seems too well engineered (of course).  But no batch manager...   Chris  -----  Chris Olive  Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec AT indy DOT raytheon DOT com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:11:00 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3E36FFF4.8AE67807@aaa.com>   ; I'v never used it, but DECscheduler wasn't to bad, was it ?  If you had the money...    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Chris Olive wrote:G > One of the big omissions from VMS as far as I was ever concerned -- a F > splendid batch system implementation (better than Unix as far as I'm2 > concerned), and no way to manage the jobs in it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:41:05 -0500 ' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS> Message-ID: <IGDZ9.2578$c6.2671@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: = > I'v never used it, but DECscheduler wasn't to bad, was it ?  > If you had the money...  >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  >  > Chris Olive wrote: > G >>One of the big omissions from VMS as far as I was ever concerned -- a F >>splendid batch system implementation (better than Unix as far as I'm2 >>concerned), and no way to manage the jobs in it.  I Never used it, but this was something Digital should never have promoted  G as a layered product.  Should have come with the system.  But that was  $ the Digital way.  (Examples abound.)   Chris  -----  Chris Olive  Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec AT indy DOT raytheon DOT com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:37:44 +0100 B From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS7 Message-ID: <3E370638.4C41@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>    Chris Olive wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > Please correct me here:  > > B > > I believe it was Rob Young that had a CRON.COM DCL proc. that . > > could be kicked off as a detached process. > > C > > Was this ever submited to Hunter Goatley's freeware archive? I   > > don't see it listed. > > 6 > > Are there any others that would be worthy of note? > > F > > This comes up often enough that maybe it oughtta be developed in aF > > compiled language (C?). The gripe there, of course, is introducing > > security risks.  > >  > H > Boy, I could have sworn a number of years ago there existed a CRON forG > VMS written in C...  Looked in my archives and turned up nothing, but  > I'm still sure it existed. >   # There is Kronos on the freeware CD: :  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/kronos/   --   ME Posted by news://news.nb.nu    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:28:04 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3E36E7D4.18B89ACE@fsi.net>    Please correct me here:   F I believe it was Rob Young that had a CRON.COM DCL proc. that could be! kicked off as a detached process.   H Was this ever submited to Hunter Goatley's freeware archive? I don't see
 it listed.  2 Are there any others that would be worthy of note?  B This comes up often enough that maybe it oughtta be developed in aB compiled language (C?). The gripe there, of course, is introducing security risks.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:20:29 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3E36F41D.A54CD6B3@aaa.com>   # [Snipped Robs CRON_WATCHER proc...]   B I added a "watch" to CRON by adding this line to the CRONTAB fil :  >   * * * * submit/nolog/user=system util:[cron]cron_restart.com  * CRON_RESTART.COM containes just one line :  D   $ subm/nolog/user=system/after="+01:05:00" util:[cron]cron_startup  5 In this way, CRON can never crash such as it will not ) be restarted automaticly after 5 minutes.   : But, of course, this is the "hour-only" version of CRON...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 20:45:50 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <ibKLlxLUERld@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3E36F219.F65740C4@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:   > > B.t.w, the one and only problem I'v had with the version I'm> > running, was that after a couple of months, the CRON process8 > (detached running CRON.COM) the process died with some= > exhausted quota. Looked like some memory leak !? Was solved 9 > by an entry in the CRONTAB.DAT file where the CRON proc  > is re-started.  2 	That is why I have a watcher out there.  This one2 	hasn't bombed in many months of uptime.  It could5 	have very well been resource exhaustion.  Which one? 5 	Who knows (it was 5 years ago when it crashed, prior  	version of VMS ,etc.).   , 	If it ever crashes again, I want to see it.  7 	By the way, if something is truly mission critical you 6 	would have other checks and balances on it if running4 	out of cron (or any where/way you have it running).   			Rob   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 20:59:10 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <Arb1dbuvFAFi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <XSCZ9.2576$c6.2314@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com>, Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> writes: > David J. Dachtera wrote: >> Please correct me here: >>  I >> I believe it was Rob Young that had a CRON.COM DCL proc. that could be $ >> kicked off as a detached process. >>  K >> Was this ever submited to Hunter Goatley's freeware archive? I don't see 
 >> it listed.  >>  5 >> Are there any others that would be worthy of note?  >>  E >> This comes up often enough that maybe it oughtta be developed in a E >> compiled language (C?). The gripe there, of course, is introducing  >> security risks. >>   > I > Boy, I could have sworn a number of years ago there existed a CRON for  H > VMS written in C...  Looked in my archives and turned up nothing, but  > I'm still sure it existed. >   > 	There is a pseudo-cron out there, that has been VMS-ized.  In? 	fact, the top two entries in groups.google.com -> comp.os.vms, 
 	point to it:   ] http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1993Jul6.184949.18904%40wega.rz.uni-ulm.de&output=gplain    Newsgroups: comp.os.vms , From: ORAKEL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Framstag)7 Subject: Re: Does VMS have a facility like unix's cron? " Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 18:49:49 GMT  H CRON is a job scheduler for VMS for periodic tasks, inspired by the unix crontab facility.   $ An example of a running CRON system:   $ cron list   D 31-JAN-1993 23:10:40  ( detached CRON-daemon:  MAIN02::ORAKEL_CRON )  D Jobname         Times (m h d wd  or  d-h:m)                    QueueD -------         ---------------------------                    -----I BACKUP          0 6 * *                                        fast$batch I HAPPA           0 18 * 1-5 / 40 13 * 1-5                       fast$batch I NEWS            30 18 * *                                      fast$batch I CRON_CHECK      02:00       (Holding until 31-JAN-1993 23:22)  fast$batch D O25             0:05        (Holding until 31-JAN-1993 23:13)  spawnD USER            0:10        (Holding until 31-JAN-1993 23:15)  spawn    I > Not sure how CRON written in C (or other 3GL) would pose more security t# > risks than CRON written in DCL???   A 	If you had the source, probably not any more than a DCL version.o  J >   One of the big omissions from VMS as far as I was ever concerned -- a G > splendid batch system implementation (better than Unix as far as I'm d4 > concerned), and no way to manage the jobs in it.     	Sacrilege!n  H  One of the big omissions from Unix as far as I was ever concerned -- a I  splendid vi implementation (better than ed as far as I'm concerned), but C  nothing for backups.  dumping tar?  You have got to be kidding me.    > I've still never PH > really completely accepted the Unix way of doing this because the VMS J > way just seems too well engineered (of course).  But no batch manager...  @ 	Tis true.  But just as the Unix weenies have had to be creativeA 	to overcome their OS limitations, there are a few pieces missing > 	from VMS and 3rd parties have filled the gaps, same for Unix.  G 	Now arguably, no one on VMS should have to pay for a batch manager andh9 	you don't have to.  Kronos is decent (or so I've heard).r   				Robt   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 19:31:20 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)q7 Subject: Re: DCL question from Newbie - accessing parmsl= Message-ID: <8a646952.0301281931.17d2f634@posting.google.com>s  x Joseph Norris <jozefn@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.40.0301271518370.30993-100000@bolt.sonic.net>... > Group, >  > Ye'old newbie here.e > B > I understand that I can pass up to 8 parms to a dcl script as in >  > $myscript parm1 parm2u >  > My question is:a > E > What is the syntax inside the script to look at parm1, parm2 etc..?e >  > 	 > Thanks.  >  > = > #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is there?/Linux/CGI/Mysql)nK > print @c=map chr $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8, E > -68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);      Joseph Norris,  F In DCL you have up to 8 parameters that can be passed to the inside ofB a DCL command file. Most everyone has given you the basic answers.3 What happens when you have more than 8? What to do?,  E You use the P1 parameter and make it into a list that is separated bytE any symbol like a "," or "/" or "." or any other character that makesdD sense to you. Then use the F$element lexical function to deconstructD the list. In the book, "Writing Real DCL Programs in DCL" by Paul C.D Anagnostopoulos, on page 198, section 16.2, he explains it usage andE gives very good examples. I highly recommend as part of your personal F library. I have used 3 copies of the book since its been out in print.   ISBN 1-55558-023-8   Daryl Jones    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:28:53 -0700i% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>o Subject: DE500 StrangenessB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030128222625.00bd6e60@raptor.psccos.com>  D Using a DE500 on an AlphaStation 200 4/233, VMS 7.3.  When I put the? card (it's EWB0) into fast (100mpbs) mode using either LANCP oraJ SET EWB0_MODE from the SRM console, the 100mbs LED comes on (as expected),E but the activity status LED comes on and blinks furiously, whether or E not a cable is connected.  This has the effect of dragging the systemlF to its knees (presumably from interrupt traffic).  The card works fine in 10mpbs mode.    Any ideas, anybody?~   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:49:22 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: DEClaser 5100 update / Message-ID: <3E36DEBD.CEA99FC7@vl.videotron.ca>   @ Thanks to the person who had pointed me to www.printerworks.com.  1 I found the halogen heater element for USD $23.00i  K Went to the HP web site to see if I couldn't get it directly from HP (theirbI offices aren't too far away). They parts serach page is javascript broken K (can't do anything from it). But I did call the number they said one shoudlsN call before ordering replacement parts. As soon as I mentioned I had a digitalF printer, that was a big no go and I was refered to a a digital number.  C Called the Digital number, they answer "HP".... However, after someaL convincing, they did do a search and found a replacemenmt fuser unit for theN DEClaser 5100. $300+ dollars (the whole unit), or about $150 when you bring in
 your old one.o  M BTW the internal HP model number for the DECLASER 5100 is the "Laserjet RJ5".L  L I called back HP, pretended I had an HP Laserjet 4M. Big mistake. They doN,tI support the 4 and the lady said they only provide web support. I told heriL their parts database serach page is broken and I just want to know how I canH find the part number and where I can buy it for self service. After muchL haggling, she agreed to do a search. And came back with the part number etc.   	$100 canadian.D  0 Yep, that is just for a glorified halogen light.  / Looks like printerworks is getting my business.I   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:48:07 GMTeA From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>i! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.h= Message-ID: <HfAZ9.3875$934.24695946@news-text.cableinet.net>o  L Don't forget Easynet - the world-wide Digital internal network. OK, I acceptI that DEC was supposedly one organisation, but it did have an awful lot ofEK internal partitions and chinese walls which were probably more difficult to : deal with than your average inter-organisational boundary.  K I remember DEC sales guys in DECville at Cannes just using this stuff as an-G everyday "doesn't everyone work like this?" tool for e-mail over satcom=I links back in the late 80's. Build temporary large computer facility in amK week or so, network it, connect up via satellite dish, run for a few weeks,eK strip it down, move it, do it some place else shortly afterwards. SeriouslysL impressive stuff even now when you consider all that was involved in getting it to work and be reliable..   -- Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin. ' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:52:08 GMTi. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.-3 Message-ID: <Y3CZ9.19461$xv1.212352@news.chello.at>r  V In article <H9F168.D1w@world.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase) writes:B >Are there (or even were there) any large shared and decentralizedM >(spanning multiple distinct organizations) DECnet WANs or global networks?   K >Some examples of this type of network would include: the internet, usenet,t6 >fidonet, the telephone system, and the postal system.  E Besides others (mostly academic or semi governmental) there were also E DEC's own EASYNET with over 70k nodes. As the DECnet Phase 4 limit isSH 64k there were many hidden areas (means some area numbers did exist more
 than once)   -- a Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERn% Network and OpenVMS system specialistP E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 15:49:58 -0800$ From: leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth)! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.S= Message-ID: <d0e744c9.0301281549.74467187@posting.google.com>C  C > Are there (or even were there) any large shared and decentralized2N > (spanning multiple distinct organizations) DECnet WANs or global networks?  L > Some examples of this type of network would include: the internet, usenet,7 > fidonet, the telephone system, and the postal system.w  1 DEC's internal DECnet Phase IV network was prettyr1 big... was called Easynet and at one time spannedo- DEC locations around the globe- about 53,000+. nodes if I recall correctly.  1 This was of course before there were PCs on every / desktop that needed an address, so DECnet Phasem, IV space of 63 areas and 1023 nodes per area. worked well for a while. Around 1990 DEC began1 some trials to migrate some large sites to DECneto0 Phase V, which encompassed OSI addressing, but I. was out in the field and those Phase V efforts/ hadn't quite reached us by the time I left DEC.5  1 About the time the internet was evolving into theh/ www DEC went to an IP-based internal network tow1 accomodate the exploding need for network addressi1 space and (I assume) gave up on DECnet Phase V ast* a corporate backbone, although Phase V was, probably sucessfully installed to reduce the$ address space crunch at large sites.  * Someone like Paul Vixie probably knows the- history of internal networks at DEC; I cannot=1 seem to find anything concrete on the Easynet viaS1 search engines except for some casual references.e  6 DEC sure spent a fortune on Phase V decnet development2 only to have IP race past it to become the defacto3 internetworking protocol. 3rd party vendors offered=3 TCP/IP stackware for a few years before DEC finally- offered its own under VMS.  0 While digging for Easynet history I did discover1 an interesting old account of a DECnet-based wormc on the SPAN network:4 http://www.users.qwest.net/~eballen1/father_xmas.txt  0 Say... I wonder if the old DEC 'Class A' address- space of 16.x.x.x is in use these days? It isb$ still listed as belonging to Compaq.   Leeo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:27:06 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.r/ Message-ID: <3E374A0A.5C0BC6B4@vl.videotron.ca>k   Lee Roth wrote: 3 > DEC's internal DECnet Phase IV network was prettys3 > big... was called Easynet and at one time spanned,/ > DEC locations around the globe- about 53,000+o > nodes if I recall correctly.  J Yep, best testing grounds for your software. And a damned good sales pitchN when selling to customers "we run this stuff internally and it supports 53,000@ nodes, so we'll have no porblem supporting your 5 node network".  M Same with email. With ALL-IN-1 on almost all desktops, they knew how to writedN software that scaled. And they aslo got a lot of internal feedback on features etc etc.    I Compare this to companies such as Microsoft who grew up on IBM mainframes-P because theyr own toys were nowhere capable of handling corporate serious stuff.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 05:07:29 GMTe( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.F- Message-ID: <lkJZ9.75355$rM2.43591@rwcrnsc53>.  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagea) news:3E374A0A.5C0BC6B4@vl.videotron.ca...)  K > Compare this to companies such as Microsoft who grew up on IBM mainframesjK > because theyr own toys were nowhere capable of handling corporate serious  stuff.  F DEC was no different. In the early days, they used Burroughs, IIRC. M$? actually used a lot of VAXen. Gates "grew up" in the DEC world.e  I I recall seeing an article some time ago about M$ having massive problemsaI converting to NT. At the time, NT was incapable of handling M$' corporate K order processing system, which was running on VMS. I googled around for it,e but I couldn't find it.e   -- Mark E. Levy" System Management Associates, Inc. Phone: 847-730-3193  Fax:      847-730-3194 Cell:      847-370-3071  Text:     melevy@vtext.com oro              melevy@skytel.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:15:21 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>b( Subject: EV7 / EV8 intellectual propertyI Message-ID: <JpCZ9.144192$ej1.24480@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/28947.htmls  E The EV7 runs at 1GHz and 1.15GHz and only includes one core per chip. A It was designed by the old Digital Alpha chip team in Shrewsbury,yE Massachusetts, which will eventually be moved over to Intel. The chipAF maker last year bought the Alpha team and its intellectual property asA part of the Alpha sunsetting that Compaq announced prior to beingr acquired by HP last spring.     0 So, what does HP own if this article is correct?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:43:42 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger), Subject: Re: EV7 / EV8 intellectual propertyL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2801032143430001@user-2ive36j.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <JpCZ9.144192$ej1.24480@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,P$ "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  2 >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/28947.html > F >The EV7 runs at 1GHz and 1.15GHz and only includes one core per chip.B >It was designed by the old Digital Alpha chip team in Shrewsbury,F >Massachusetts, which will eventually be moved over to Intel. The chipG >maker last year bought the Alpha team and its intellectual property asuB >part of the Alpha sunsetting that Compaq announced prior to being >acquired by HP last spring. >s > 1 >So, what does HP own if this article is correct?   G This quote does not agree with what I have read before.  I think CompaqoG (now HP) retains the alpha IP, but Intel has a non-exclusive license to  use it.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:39:57 -0400t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question/ Message-ID: <3E36CE7D.26916BFF@vl.videotron.ca>u   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:N > What you tend to find on curent cards is that within an architecture, the 2DI > graphics semantics remain fairly stable, but the 3D stuff tends to have > > large changes - even with cards having the same family name.      Pardon the newbie question here.  M How does an application make use of those 3d cards  that do all the work ? IncN a VMS context, would there be some shareable image that bypasses x-windows andN talks directly to the card telling to paint a cube this big with a skin bitmap stored at memory location X  ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:08:35 -05006A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>a@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question. Message-ID: <3e36f153$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  J OpenGL is the interface.  You will need a Open3D license to use it.  WhileD not "required" the OpenGL implementation for this card is a "direct"I rendering interface.  There are a number of toolkits and 3D demos - checktF out the GLUT stuff (in fact, I think we may even ship a GLUT library).      = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messages) news:3E36CE7D.26916BFF@vl.videotron.ca...f > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:I > > What you tend to find on curent cards is that within an architecture,g the 2DK > > graphics semantics remain fairly stable, but the 3D stuff tends to havey@ > > large changes - even with cards having the same family name. >e >e" > Pardon the newbie question here. >tL > How does an application make use of those 3d cards  that do all the work ? InL > a VMS context, would there be some shareable image that bypasses x-windows andhI > talks directly to the card telling to paint a cube this big with a skin  bitmap  > stored at memory location X  ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:04:15 GMTl# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?I Message-ID: <jMFZ9.213242$pDv.55915@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>=  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messageA' news:87d6mg3mtn.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 4 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >p? > > One can have a decnet object that gets "calls" from the web D > > server. This entails a decnet connection establishement, as well asD > > an additional "transport" of the data bewteen the web server and the3 > > processes. >rB > > In terms of transports, one can get decnet, tpcip or ICC. In aD > > cluster this allows good load balancing.  And Decnet would allow the ? > > CGI process with database access to reside on a decnet node  outsideb > > of the TCPIP world.S >p? > I have run WASD with the CGI stuff pointed to a cluster aliasz insteadt@ > of 0:: Runs like a scalded cat! Plus, you can have most of the `site'A > on TCP free systems, and that should give most of the net griefp causet > to pause.  > < > Sadly, ACMS et all is no longer `in the family' to be well intergratedt > for this sort of thing.)     Paul,p  5 What am I missing here vis. your comments about ACMS?n  : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/acms/44_info.html   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 06:56:52 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: High hit rate VMS Web server?- Message-ID: <87d6mg3mtn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>3  2 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  = > One can have a decnet object that gets "calls" from the webeE > server. This entails a decnet connection establishement, as well as F > an additional "transport" of the data bewteen the web server and the > processes.  	@ > In terms of transports, one can get decnet, tpcip or ICC. In aF > cluster this allows good load balancing.  And Decnet would allow theE > CGI process with database access to reside on a decnet node outside@ > of the TCPIP world.g  E I have run WASD with the CGI stuff pointed to a cluster alias instead.E of 0:: Runs like a scalded cat! Plus, you can have most of the `site'tE on TCP free systems, and that should give most of the net grief causef	 to pause.h  F Sadly, ACMS et all is no longer `in the family' to be well intergrated for this sort of thing.l   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.H@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:33:48 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>: Subject: Re: How do I setup the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2?/ Message-ID: <3E36CD0C.2CFAB6A6@vl.videotron.ca>y   Marco Trecate wrote: >  > Hi,nE > could anybody please point me to a for-dummies tutorial (possibly a K > step-by-step procedure) about configuring the FTP server in OpenVMS 6.2? s  M Go to the www.openvms.compaq.com web site, look for the VMS documentation. IneL there, you will find the TCPIP Services documentation, in there, look at theC TCPIP Services Management Reference. (not the "command reference")."  K This manual, contains fairly straightforwards documentation on how to setup  the various services.   J Note that if you have older software, some things may be different. If youV have a TCPIP stack other than UCX/TCPIP, then you have to look at their documentation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:54:22 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>5 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image question / Message-ID: <3E36D1DD.7157D8B2@vl.videotron.ca>t  J I just looked at MAIL. It isn't installed with privileges. And MAILSHR.EXEB isn't installed with privs, but MAILSHRP is installed /PROTECTED.   K Does this mean that MAILSHRP.EXE  is a user written system service ? Or ared> there other types of images that are installed with /PROTECT ?   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2003 19:04:29 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>o2 Subject: Re: Sending Escape Codes to a LPR Printer* Message-ID: <b16k7t$oom$2@news1.radix.net>  0 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > Curtis Justus wrote: >> h	 >> Hello!  >> rL >> I have connected a printer from my OpenVMS server to a Windows 2000 printM >> server running Print Services for UNIX.  I need to send an escape sequencepM >> at the beginning of every print job.  I'm guessing there is a file or somelC >> place in the configuration where I could set that... right?  ;-)o >> h >> Thanks in advance,  >> cj   E > In VMSland, this is multi-step process. Here's a thumb-nail sketch:-  G > The VMS parallel to the lpd is known as a "print symbiont". So calledaJ > but it interacts with the Job Controller in a sort of symbiotic way. The  G sort of - someone pointed out to me (pre-VMS) that DEC was using Univace7 jargon for this particular term as well as many others.h   -- i= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>u http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 18:08:41 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)a% Subject: Re: Storage Magazine and VMSb= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0301281808.4e5dcc45@posting.google.com>U  n John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote in message news:<20030103181818.F30500@eisenschmidt.org>...A > And frankly, any magazine without a letters section isn't wortht7 > reading -- there's no way to keep them on their toes.   D I was recently asked if an e-mail response I wrote could be included? in a future issue as a Letter to the Editor, so it appears thisw situation is changing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:23:18 -0500D# From: Tom Rymes <tomnews@rymes.net>t, Subject: Re: Terminal server recommendationsE Message-ID: <tomnews-EB3360.14231828012003@news.comcast.giganews.com>a   One more thing:e  F Am I correct to assume that the fact that the DECServer 90M has RJ-45 D ports instead of MMJ ports will not be a problem, just so long as I  adapt the plugs correctly?  
 Thank you,   TomD   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:55:58 GMTcA From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>e, Subject: Re: Terminal server recommendations= Message-ID: <ifBZ9.3983$gA4.25426045@news-text.cableinet.net>i  F Yup. You can even get adapters that have an MMJ socket and a RJ45 plugD (H8584-AC). However, the DECserver 90 / 900 docs give you the wiring= pin-outs so that you can make your own cables if you need to.    -- Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin.5' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk):    0 "Tom Rymes" <tomnews@rymes.net> wrote in message? news:tomnews-EB3360.14231828012003@news.comcast.giganews.com...  > One more thing:  >2G > Am I correct to assume that the fact that the DECServer 90M has RJ-45kE > ports instead of MMJ ports will not be a problem, just so long as Ie > adapt the plugs correctly? >Y > Thank you, >R > TomD   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:17:53 +0100s" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>, Subject: Re: Terminal server recommendations6 Message-ID: <b16oi1$105nml$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  H You can make your own cables: an RJ45 plug is easily fitted on an office connect terminal cable.  Or buy an adapter, the H8584-ACt    2 "Tom Rymes" <tomnews@rymes.net> schreef in bericht? news:tomnews-EB3360.14231828012003@news.comcast.giganews.com...i > One more thing:M >oG > Am I correct to assume that the fact that the DECServer 90M has RJ-45-E > ports instead of MMJ ports will not be a problem, just so long as Ia > adapt the plugs correctly? >o > Thank you, >w > TomO   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:21:05 -0500a/ From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com> , Subject: RE: Terminal server recommendations; Message-ID: <005801c2c70a$c984d000$cb96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>p  J and if you just want tcp/ip supported terminal servers and don't need more than 10 mps ? I have several decservers 300's with software that work great !t   :-)    Hank   -----Original Message-----F From: Colin Butcher [mailto:colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk]' Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 2:56 PMr To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh, Subject: Re: Terminal server recommendations    F Yup. You can even get adapters that have an MMJ socket and a RJ45 plugD (H8584-AC). However, the DECserver 90 / 900 docs give you the wiring= pin-outs so that you can make your own cables if you need to.t   -- Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin.l' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)e    0 "Tom Rymes" <tomnews@rymes.net> wrote in message? news:tomnews-EB3360.14231828012003@news.comcast.giganews.com...( > One more thing:  >lG > Am I correct to assume that the fact that the DECServer 90M has RJ-45nE > ports instead of MMJ ports will not be a problem, just so long as I  > adapt the plugs correctly? >w > Thank you, >j > Tomi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:48:12 +0100i" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>, Subject: Re: Terminal server recommendations5 Message-ID: <b16qas$vph72$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>s  2 "Tom Rymes" <tomnews@rymes.net> schreef in bericht? news:tomnews-C4643B.11433928012003@news.comcast.giganews.com...- > Hi folks,- >-C > as a sort of follow-up to my earlier question on upgrading from ai) > MicroVAX 3100-95, I have this question:u >cH > What are recommendations for terminal servers to use with an Alpha? WeD > currently have a number of serial devices hooked up to "harmonica"I > devices that plug directly into the VAX itself (roughly 8-ports each if:H > memory serves). I believe these are effectively (if not actually) realH > serial ports. Since an Alpha will not have the equivalent, I will need- > to move these devices to a terminal server.i  C A terminal server should support both IP and LAT. So a DS300, DS700 E and the DS90 and DS900 models will all do nicely. The 300 and 700 areLK stand alone units, all they need is a boot host to download the load image.r; They both use MOP and the 700 is able to use BOOTP as well.i= The 700 supports a flashcard and that eliminates a boot host.m  J The DS90 and DS900 models either need a (bulky) backplane that accomodatesK 7 other units. The DS90's also fit in a DEChub 900. There are adapters thatt allowe, you to use DS90 or a DS900 as a single unit.   >>J > We currently have a DECServer 90L+ that, together with the serial ports,I > connects all serial devices in the local site to the VAX. What would beSE > a recommendation for terminal servers to buy that would allow me toaJ > connect these devices. (It was mentioned in the earlier thread, but I amJ > still a bit confused as to the differences between DECRepeater (EthernetJ > Hub?) DECServer (Terminal Server & Hub?), DEC Switch (Ethernet switch?),J > and the differences between the 90 series and the 900 series (other than > size.i  H A DECserver is a terminal server, a DECrepeater is just that an ethernet	 repeater;aJ repeaters are also called hubs these days. A switch is a bridge, with more than two portsF and often with support for different media (coax, fiber) and different technologies (FDDI,  ethernet or token ring).  K The difference between the 90 and 900 series is performance, redundancy and 
 technologyF support. A DEChub 90 has no redundant power supplies. Its backplane is basically a piece D of thinwire ethernet. All devices in the series are 10 Mb/s ethernet repeaters (coax, UTPJ and 62.5/125 fiber), ISDN routers and terminal servers. There is a 16 port 10/100 DECswitch90J but it uses the hub90 backplane only for its power. There is no connection with the thinwire.H A DECagent 90 in combination with a DECbridge90 allows remote management with ClearVision.o  H The DEChub 900 series connects a lot of LAN technologies. Expensive, but reliable. The backplanedK has a couple of 400 Mb/s buses (the VN bus) and FDDI, Tokenring, ATM and 10  Mb/s as wellL as 100 Mb/s buses available on the backplane. There's no gigabit ethernet on the backplane AFAIK,< but there are 900 modules that support GE over fiber or UTP.E The switches you put up front either connect to one or more backplanep segments or to the frontsideJ outlets. That is where ClearVision comes in: it is useful for the 90's but an absolute must for the 900's.e  I > I have run across DECHub 900 units, which seem a bit much for my needs,eI > and MultiStack systems, but I don't want to make this more complex thanh > I need to. > H > So, would I be advised to purchase a couple DECServer 90M units and goJ > from there, or maybe just more DECServer 90L+ units? What about locatingI > multiple MultiStack Bases to stack a few together, or just go whole hog H > and locate a DECHub 900, plug my existing 90L+ into that, and get someG > DECServer 900TM or something of the like? Obviously, I am planning onSH > eBay for some or all of this stuff, along with maybe other refurbished
 > dealers. >dF The 90L and 90L+ do not need a load host, that said they're not easily managed. That is: I found their menu driven user interface somewhat awkward.L I prefer the 90M or a 900TM. The dechub 900 has redundant power supplies and	 an options& to connect to two mains power outlets.  : > Thank you, and my apologies for the long, rambling post, >s > Tomu  J HTH. I've used a lot of 90's and 900's in a 24x7 environment. It is not as reliable as the older-L Digital branded equipment. What I mean is that Digital network gear built in the early to midI 80's is still in use without people actually knowing or remembering it is@ there unless the fans start I to squeek. The old DEMPR's and LanBridge 100/150/200 series don't seem to? give up.L I've seen 900 components fail within 10 years. Mainly concentrators, say two or three and theK same number of DECswitch 900EF's. There were (are?) at least 25 DEChubs 900M on that siteL each with at least three 900 components. Especially with FDDI there's hardly competition,2 Cabletron's Smartswitch router being an exception.   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:18:54 -0400i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: Terminal server recommendations/ Message-ID: <3E36F3B3.C370F3BA@vl.videotron.ca>    Colin Butcher wrote:L > - Several 8 port devices will give better overall availability that one 32D > port device, but it's a little more complex to set up and manage.   N But a 32 port one may give you better performance for LAT. LAT has the abilityL to encapsulate one keystrokle from 32 terminals into one ethernet packet. SoJ if everyone is typing at the same time, there is a significant decrease in ethernet traffic.g  M But you are right,  if the one 32 port unit fails, you're cooked. If one or 4b0 8 port units fails, then 24 ports remain active.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 17:02:42 -08000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)< Subject: Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC= Message-ID: <948f0720.0301281702.25ff3f31@posting.google.com>t  g Steve Young <sdyoung@well.com> wrote in message news:<r1oZ9.134447$H7.5454200@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>...  > Hello, > D >   I have obtained a copy of the VAX 7.3 hobbyist kit, and I have aD > CD-ROM capable of doing 512-byte sectors.  However, when I put it B > in my external enclosure and hook it up to my VAX, what I see at > boot-time is:r >  > ?? 001   9        NI  0172 > ?? 150  10      SCSI  0034 > ; >   after the mem. check has completed.  SHOW DEV gives me:  > Q >   VMS/VMB      ADDR      DEVTYPE    NUMBYTES     RM/FX    WP    DEVNAM      REVeQ >   -------      ----      -------    --------     -----    --    ------      ---e" >   ESA0         08-00-2B-BB-4E-8AR >   DKA300       A/3/0     DISK         1.05GB      FX            RZ26L       442D >                A/5/0 >                A/5/1 >                A/5/2 >                A/5/3 >                A/5/4 >                A/5/5 >                A/5/6 >                A/5/7  >  ..HostID..    A/6       INITR >   D I've seen this oddity on an internal hard drive. It turned out to beE one of the other (non-SCSI-ID) jumpers I had in. I can't remember them@ exact details, but I think it was something like auto-spin-up???  F I used an external CDROM (HP C9244D, actually a Toshiba XM-5401B) on a VLC, so it can be done.    Hope this helps,   ChrisP   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:34:40 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org< Subject: Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC) Message-ID: <03012819344010@antinode.org>f  0 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)  F > I've seen this oddity on an internal hard drive. It turned out to beG > one of the other (non-SCSI-ID) jumpers I had in. I can't remember the3B > exact details, but I think it was something like auto-spin-up???  F    Probably not auto spin-up.  Lots of early VAXstations were equippedH with drives which waited for a SCSI command to spin up.  (Not all drivesC were controlled by jumpers, either, leading to the exotic "TEST 73"IF procedure to change the behavior of an RZ23, RZ24, or RZ56 on a VAXstaC 3100.  I've done those three drive models.  Does anyone know of anynD others?)  I've never seen any odd LUN responses associated with that characteristic.n  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orgo    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547B   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:41:27 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender), Subject: Re: VAXcluster support of database?; Message-ID: <3e374d67.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>a  ) Syltrem (syltremzulu@videotron.ca) wrote:aK > On a weendoze cluster for example, I don't see how this would be possible & > as they don't share the disk drives.  E To be fair, Oracle can use databases that reside on disks on a sharedeE SCSI bus between two Windoze servers - using distributed lock managersF technology licensed from VMS (or so I've heard). In Oracle speak, it's called Oracle9i RAS, IIRC.  G It's a PITA to install, but if you follow the instructions really close0) and do have lots of memory, it is doable.o   cu,i   Martin  @ BTW: Oracle marketing really is fast. On their web site, it says= "Worried About Worms Like SQL Slammer? Don't Be - Security Is $ Always a Top Priority at Oracle" :-) -- kB                         | Martin Vorlaender | VMS & WNT programmer1  OpenVMS: Where do you  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D  want to BE today?      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8                         | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 05:17:13 +0100s2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender), Subject: Re: VAXcluster support of database?; Message-ID: <3e3755c9.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   3 Martin Vorlaender (martin@radiogaga.harz.de) wrote: 2 > In Oracle speak, it's called Oracle9i RAS, IIRC.  ( RAC (Real Application Cluster), not RAS.  5 This works without utilizing Micro$oft Cluuster, BTW.t   cu,h   Martin -- bG                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmera4 Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK the Borg have proper       |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/h; networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:31:14 -0500e From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>5" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?8 Message-ID: <12jd3v07rsvd43r51lmfk6cr8eh8gtke4u@4ax.com>  > well if somebody (hint hint) could send me a set (ahem) I'd beB eternally happy. and I'd even pay the $65.00, ok, and even sign anA non-disclosure and a sub-contract agreement, so it's all nice andD" legit as per license agreements...   :)   Dan.C On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:18:25 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:l  L >Having just renewed, the fee is about US$65.00/month or US$780.00/year.  IfF >you pay the entire year at one time there is a small discount (~5%?). >iJ >The initial license fee was roughly US$2000.00 -- several many years ago. >- >---P >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:52:03 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?3 Message-ID: <x8xVDntI7iDy@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  R In article <12jd3v07rsvd43r51lmfk6cr8eh8gtke4u@4ax.com>, Dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:@ > well if somebody (hint hint) could send me a set (ahem) I'd beD > eternally happy. and I'd even pay the $65.00, ok, and even sign anC > non-disclosure and a sub-contract agreement, so it's all nice ande$ > legit as per license agreements... >  > :)  8 What on worth would make you think that would be legal ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:01:04 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>p4 Subject: Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.& Message-ID: <3E36D370.8128741@vcu.edu>  E why not indeed? my little programmable PDA (sharp wizard) has at it'ss; rotten core a z80, 10mhz..  shades of my old VT180 Robin...n  / works for me fine for 1/5 the price of a palm..e   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:w > 5 > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message # > news:3E36CB01.8F950332@aaa.com... 
 > > FYI... > >l5 > > If there is anyone out there *both* using VMS and08 > > programming the microcontrollers that Microchip Inc.? > > produces (PIC's), I would just like to make a note that I'va@ > > succesfully compiled (C) and linked the the free programming2 > > environment called "JAL" for these processors. > > 8 > > If you don't know the PIC microcontrolers, a typical= > > processor could have 2 kword flash program mem, 256 bytesb; > > EEPROM, 64 bytes RAM, 5 chan 10-bit A/D, timers, USART,iA > > all in chips from 8 to 40 pins. More or less the "other side"t' > > of the IT world as seen from VMS...s > >  > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.. > L > Can they run VMS? I call for a port of VMS to PIC. And 8085 while we're at! > it. And maybe the Z80. Why not?8 > 2 > :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) >  > -- > Mark E. Levy$ > System Management Associates, Inc. > Phone: 847-730-31934 > Fax:      847-730-3194 > Cell:      847-370-3071n > Text:     melevy@vtext.com orn  >              melevy@skytel.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:21:09 -0800l$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>4 Subject: RE: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.0 Message-ID: <01C2C6BF.6DAD6AD0@sulfer.icius.com>  E OK, I know what I want for my birthday. I used to make a living, sortdA of, writing games in z80 assembler. I didn't know they were still ! available. What's the screen res?t   Shanel   -----Original Message-----( From: Jim Agnew [mailto:jpagnew@vcu.edu]( Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:01 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come4 Subject: Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.    E why not indeed? my little programmable PDA (sharp wizard) has at it'so; rotten core a z80, 10mhz..  shades of my old VT180 Robin...   / works for me fine for 1/5 the price of a palm..-   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:  >=207 > "Jan-Erik S=F6derholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messaget# > news:3E36CB01.8F950332@aaa.com...C
 > > FYI... > >-5 > > If there is anyone out there *both* using VMS and 8 > > programming the microcontrollers that Microchip Inc.? > > produces (PIC's), I would just like to make a note that I'vn@ > > succesfully compiled (C) and linked the the free programming2 > > environment called "JAL" for these processors. > >m8 > > If you don't know the PIC microcontrolers, a typical= > > processor could have 2 kword flash program mem, 256 bytes.; > > EEPROM, 64 bytes RAM, 5 chan 10-bit A/D, timers, USART,rA > > all in chips from 8 to 40 pins. More or less the "other side"P' > > of the IT world as seen from VMS...d > >e > > Jan-Erik S=F6derholm.  >=20E > Can they run VMS? I call for a port of VMS to PIC. And 8085 while =p we're at! > it. And maybe the Z80. Why not?t >=202 > :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) >=20 > -- > Mark E. Levy$ > System Management Associates, Inc. > Phone: 847-730-31938 > Fax:      847-730-3194 > Cell:      847-370-3071: > Text:     melevy@vtext.com orD  >              melevy@skytel.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:47:21 GMTn( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>4 Subject: Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.: Message-ID: <ZeAZ9.3032$to3.654@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messaged! news:3E36CB01.8F950332@aaa.com...n > FYI... >s3 > If there is anyone out there *both* using VMS andn6 > programming the microcontrollers that Microchip Inc.= > produces (PIC's), I would just like to make a note that I'vr> > succesfully compiled (C) and linked the the free programming0 > environment called "JAL" for these processors. >o6 > If you don't know the PIC microcontrolers, a typical; > processor could have 2 kword flash program mem, 256 bytess9 > EEPROM, 64 bytes RAM, 5 chan 10-bit A/D, timers, USART,e? > all in chips from 8 to 40 pins. More or less the "other side"t% > of the IT world as seen from VMS...i >r > Jan-Erik Sderholm.h  J Can they run VMS? I call for a port of VMS to PIC. And 8085 while we're at it. And maybe the Z80. Why not?   0 :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)   -- Mark E. Levy" System Management Associates, Inc. Phone: 847-730-3193e Fax:      847-730-3194 Cell:      847-370-3071e Text:     melevy@vtext.com oro              melevy@skytel.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:17:55 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>a4 Subject: Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.' Message-ID: <3E36E573.CE3FCF9F@vcu.edu>p  H really shitty compared to a pc.... characterwise, small font gets you 37? chars across, (really quite decent compared to a palm type pda)e  D you even can get and old spacewar type startrek game downloaded from@ www.mywizard.com  my model is a oz-730, 1.5 megs ram, 10mhz z80,* (integrated into a single-chip "solution")   I want the oz-770, 3megs.. I  G ok, a capital O (oh) is 7 pixels high, and 5 wide, and a single - pixel G row separating the cells.  for graphics like the startrek game, you can- address all the pixels..  E i've read "the spirit of the border", a Zane Grey western, and got itd) all on there... (off Project Gutenberg..)n   Jims   Shane Smith wrote: > G > OK, I know what I want for my birthday. I used to make a living, sortnC > of, writing games in z80 assembler. I didn't know they were stille# > available. What's the screen res?  >  > Shaneo >  > -----Original Message-----* > From: Jim Agnew [mailto:jpagnew@vcu.edu]* > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:01 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms6 > Subject: Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers. > G > why not indeed? my little programmable PDA (sharp wizard) has at it's-= > rotten core a z80, 10mhz..  shades of my old VT180 Robin...t > 1 > works for me fine for 1/5 the price of a palm..k >  > "Mark E. Levy" wrote:o > > 7 > > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagei% > > news:3E36CB01.8F950332@aaa.com...o > > > FYI... > > >l7 > > > If there is anyone out there *both* using VMS and-: > > > programming the microcontrollers that Microchip Inc.A > > > produces (PIC's), I would just like to make a note that I'vsB > > > succesfully compiled (C) and linked the the free programming4 > > > environment called "JAL" for these processors. > > >6: > > > If you don't know the PIC microcontrolers, a typical? > > > processor could have 2 kword flash program mem, 256 byteso= > > > EEPROM, 64 bytes RAM, 5 chan 10-bit A/D, timers, USART, C > > > all in chips from 8 to 40 pins. More or less the "other side" ) > > > of the IT world as seen from VMS...e > > >n > > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.l > >nN > > Can they run VMS? I call for a port of VMS to PIC. And 8085 while we're at# > > it. And maybe the Z80. Why not?l > >$4 > > :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) > >  > > -- > > Mark E. Levy& > > System Management Associates, Inc. > > Phone: 847-730-3193m > > Fax:      847-730-3194 > > Cell:      847-370-3071-! > > Text:     melevy@vtext.com or " > >              melevy@skytel.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:49:48 GMT,# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h4 Subject: Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.I Message-ID: <M1CZ9.143967$ej1.70223@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>l  3 "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com> wrote in message34 news:ZeAZ9.3032$to3.654@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...5 > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagee# > news:3E36CB01.8F950332@aaa.com...s
 > > FYI... > >e5 > > If there is anyone out there *both* using VMS andc8 > > programming the microcontrollers that Microchip Inc.? > > produces (PIC's), I would just like to make a note that I'vu@ > > succesfully compiled (C) and linked the the free programming2 > > environment called "JAL" for these processors. > >-8 > > If you don't know the PIC microcontrolers, a typical= > > processor could have 2 kword flash program mem, 256 bytes:; > > EEPROM, 64 bytes RAM, 5 chan 10-bit A/D, timers, USART,1A > > all in chips from 8 to 40 pins. More or less the "other side"Z' > > of the IT world as seen from VMS...b > >g > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.< >oC > Can they run VMS? I call for a port of VMS to PIC. And 8085 whilet we're at! > it. And maybe the Z80. Why not?  >y2 > :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)  @ If Microsoft can have an o/s that runs a cell phone, so can VMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:09:30 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)u4 Subject: Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.& Message-ID: <H9G03u.G6D@world.std.com>  I In article <M1CZ9.143967$ej1.70223@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,e" John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  B > If Microsoft can have an o/s that runs a cell phone, so can VMS.(                                     ^^^^  C I'm presuming that you're using the term "runs" rather loosely with0H respect to WinCE.  It's too bad that RSX-11 or RT-11 haven't been portedF to more modern CPUs.  I'm sure updated versions of those OSes would be% great for running portable devices.  g   -brian.  -- yF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.057 ************************rdon the newbie question here.  M How does an application make use of those 3d cards  that do all the work ? IncN a VMS context, would there be some shareable image that bypasses x-windows andN talks directly to the card telling to paint a cube this  eܪ    eܪ    eܪ    eܪ    eܪ    eܪ    eܪ    eܪ    eܪ    	eܪ    
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