0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 29 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 58      Contents:9 RE: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS) ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk ! Re: Acees of files from a PC disk = Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX = Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX = Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX   Re: Binary PostScript under VMS?  Re: Binary PostScript under VMS?  Re: Binary PostScript under VMS?  Re: Binary PostScript under VMS?  Re: Binary PostScript under VMS? Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? RE: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? RE: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? RE: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1?' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS ' Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS % Re: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration % RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration % Re: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration % RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration % RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration % RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration % Re: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration % RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration  Re: DE500 Strangeness  Re: DE500 Strangeness  Re: DE500 Strangeness  Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. Re: DECnet WAN question. ds25# Re: EV7 / EV8 intellectual property # Re: EV7 / EV8 intellectual property # RE: EV7 / EV8 intellectual property # RE: EV7 / EV8 intellectual property 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question P HSCs and rotational position (was Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SY' Installing second ethernet card (DE500)  Re: Marvel Performance
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 Moving CMSA Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marvel P Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marvel and Alpha RetaP Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marvel and Alpha Reta, Re: Privileges in a shareable image question, Re: Privileges in a shareable image question, Re: Privileges in a shareable image question Removing UCX from VMS system. ! Re: Removing UCX from VMS system. ! Re: Removing UCX from VMS system. ! Re: Removing UCX from VMS system.  Re: script to test disk SCSI Re: script to test disk SCSI3 Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC  Re: VMS source listings ? + RE: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers. + Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:01:27 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>B Subject: RE: 3100 SCSI connector (was: Re: Network install of VMS)0 Message-ID: <01C2C77D.651DDAD0@sulfer.icius.com>   Brian Chase said: 1 >In article <01C2C6B5.EE9BE6D0@sulfer.icius.com>, ' >Shane Smith  <ssmith@icius.com> wrote:  > H >> If that's what it looks like, I have bought several in my local Fry's     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^J >> electronics store. Probably quite a bit cheaper than HP would sell them >> for, too. > J >Are you sure about that?  The pinouts on the 68-pin side of the BC09J areH >non-standard and predate the current 68-pin SCSI connectors.  Also, theI >68-pin connector on the cable is is female instead of the normal male.   J >But even with a gender adapter, a modern 68-pin to 50-pin centronics SCSI- >cable would be useless on a VAXstation 3100.  >  >-brian.  . OK, so apparently it isn't what it looks like.   Shane    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2003 02:58 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk- Message-ID: <29JAN200302581950@gerg.tamu.edu>   b In article <3e36aff0@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes...I }>If it is more than just a 'one time' need, you might try Samba. This is  }open  }>source/freeware.G }>The link from http://us1.samba.org/ pointing to the VMS port goes to: 6 }>http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html } M }This seems to be quite old (not updated since 1999, according to the date at K }the botom of the page).  It proclaims Saba V2.0.3, but I have V2.2.4, so I # }know later versions are available.  }-- J }Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com  % The latest version is available here:   + http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/   ? (The current version is an updated 2.2.7a, perhaps it should be B called 2.2.7a-VMS2 or something along those lines. This version isA considerably faster than any earlier version of SAMBA, especially / for listing the contents of large directories.)    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2003 03:28 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk- Message-ID: <29JAN200303285216@gerg.tamu.edu>    peter@langstoeger.at writes...H }NFS requires an NFS server running in the WINTEL box, which is possible+ }but not available from M$ and costs extra.  }--  }Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER  F MS does have an NFS server (and client) for Windows. It is part of theH oddly named "Microsoft Windows Services for Unix" package (since it runsH on Windows and gives it Unix type services, it seems to me that the nameG is backwards - it ought to be "Unix Services for Windows"). If I recall K correctly, they got it, or most of it anyway, when they acquired some other H company for some other reason. This package also includes a lot of otherI things, like a telnet server and a telnet client (which I can only assume G is better than their own since it would be hard not to be), a couple of F shells (korn and C) complete with a lot of the standard unix utilitiesD ("more than 350" according to their "whitepaper" about it), password? synchronization between Windows and Unix, and some other stuff.   G This isn't free, it is $99. We were considering getting it (for the NFS # server) for a while, but never did.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 29 Jan 03 10:16:32 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.si * Subject: Re: Acees of files from a PC disk& Message-ID: <3e37aa05$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  = >But how "scriptable" is smbclient ? For batch jobs and such.     As much as pipe lets it be:)    Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 ; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464  Slovenia   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:16:00 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) F Subject: Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX+ Message-ID: <b18d5g$cq9$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   W In article <b16lk7$j9h$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> writes:  >O.k. folks,G >        GnuPG for VAX and Alpha V1.2 is up and available for your use. G >     Please go to the OpenVMS open source webpage to download the kit. / >     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/  > " >      Let us know what you think! >                     - Leo  >   5 Great, I'll try and set this up on my system shortly.   > One point though what's the problem with non stream-lf files. I I don't recall PGP 2.6.2i (the last version of PGP I used on VMS) having   any such problems.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >--  >Leo Demers ! >OpenVMS Security Product Manager  >Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM 6 >"Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> wrote in message% >news:avk7gf$e0b$1@web1.cup.hp.com...  >> Hi Barry,M >>      Your message is about a week or two early but yes I do know of a port L >>  of GnuPG V1.2 for VAX and Alpha.  It's nearly done and ready. Stay tuned >to  >> theL >> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/  website you'll see it up there >in  >> theL >> next week or two.    I'll post something in here as well when the website >it  >> up. >> >> - Leo >> >> -- 
 >> Leo Demers # >> OpenVMS Security Product Manager  >> Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM 9 >> "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message $ >> news:3E1C7281.2070408@MMaz.com...H >> > I'm looking for current, or as current as I can get, of sources forM >> > GNUPG for the VAX, VMS 7.2.  I've located Alpha sources over at Caltech, I >> > but ideally if I can get VAX sources, or even compiled objects, that = >> > would save me a lot of grief...  Anyone have any leads??  >> >
 >> > Regards,  >> >
 >> > Barry >> > >> > --  >> >D >> > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO >> >F >> > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028 >> > >> > >> >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:53:31 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> F Subject: Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX$ Message-ID: <3e381514$1@news.si.com>  G >        GnuPG for VAX and Alpha V1.2 is up and available for your use.   I The registration page does not allow me to specify the correct version of 5 VMS I use.  The choices with which I'm presented are:    OpenVMS V7.3-1 OpenVMS V7.3 OpenVMS V7.2-2 OpenVMS V7.2-1
 Don't Know  I I'm running OpenVMS V7.2.  There is no V7.2-1, 7.2-2, or 7.3-1 for VAXes. I If this software is, as you say, "for OpenVMS VAX and Alpha", at the very @ least you could allow us VAX users to be able to tell the truth. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:54:42 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> F Subject: Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX$ Message-ID: <3e38155a$1@news.si.com>  G >        GnuPG for VAX and Alpha V1.2 is up and available for your use.   G And another thing: if it's "open source", why the rigamarole of all the & registration crap and the secret URLs? --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2003 07:57:52 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ) Subject: Re: Binary PostScript under VMS? 0 Message-ID: <b181i0$r29$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  b In article <3E36F418.E758985E@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >Christoph Gartmann wrote: >>  	 >> Hello,  >>  L >> we need a program that is able to produce binary PostScript under OpenVMSM >> 7.1-2. XV produces ASCII PS, the same with Mozilla. What else is available R >> to produce level 2 PS from an image file and represent the image as binary data >> in the PS code? >  >What is the purpose of this ?  N We are having problems printing to a HP LaserJet 4050 via VMS. We noticed thatN printing is all right as long as the PostScript code is all ASCII. But we haveN PCs and Macs in our network. These produce binary PostScript as the PPD of theL printer states that it is capable of handling this. In order to trace thingsO down, it would be helpful to generate binary PostScript on VMS, preferably from > an arbitrary application and see, what happens with this code.  O >You can use postscript to convert one format to another for an image. (that is N >what postscript filters are for). (Postscript does have ability to read/writeN >to files, although generally useful onlt on distiller, unless you have a disk >drive on your printer).   That doesn't help in our case.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:09:03 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Binary PostScript under VMS? / Message-ID: <3E37C45E.1DF01AB7@vl.videotron.ca>    Christoph Gartmann wrote: P > PCs and Macs in our network. These produce binary PostScript as the PPD of the5 > printer states that it is capable of handling this.   K How is your postscript printer connected to the VMS machine ? If via serial G port, then you have to tweak DCPS to force the port to be /COMMSYNC and M /NOTTSYNC and /NOHOSTSYNC /PASSALL (eg: hardware flow control, no x-one/xoff, E and let all stuff flow though (is it /passall or /pasthru nowadays ?)   M you have to edit the DCPS procedures to fight its attempts to do the opposite 
 of the above.   L Also, if the printers feed the postscript vis LPD/LPR, I am not sure if thatM is actually compatible with binary stream (files might be created as variable - length records and sent to printer as stream)   G Your best bet to test this is to save the postscript to a PC file, then U transfer it as a binary file to VMS with FTP or kermit, and then print it from there.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 07:28:34 -0800* From: ken.randell@fortel.com (Ken Randell)) Subject: Re: Binary PostScript under VMS? = Message-ID: <8debc3ff.0301290728.26100476@posting.google.com>   C Do you really need to generate the Postscript file on VMS?  Why not F simply capture your print output on from a PC or MAC and FTP it to the VMS system?   E This may not be relevant to your case, but how is your printer hooked ? up to your VMS system?  Some years ago I went through a similar F exercise (trying to print an Postscript file with a binary image) fromA VMS on a printer attached via a serial line (LAT actually), but I E never could make it work, even using various combinations of Pasthru, 
 Passall, etc.    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2003 14:54:39 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ) Subject: Re: Binary PostScript under VMS? 0 Message-ID: <b18pvf$7s4$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  b In article <3E37C45E.1DF01AB7@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >Christoph Gartmann wrote:Q >> PCs and Macs in our network. These produce binary PostScript as the PPD of the 6 >> printer states that it is capable of handling this. > > >How is your postscript printer connected to the VMS machine ?   Via Multinet's stream symbiont.   M >Also, if the printers feed the postscript vis LPD/LPR, I am not sure if that N >is actually compatible with binary stream (files might be created as variable. >length records and sent to printer as stream)  M We do similar things with a Fiery spooler connected to an OCE photocopier and J with a Tektronix Phaser750. These two behave like an LPD server. The AlphaO receives the files from PCs via LPD and from Macs via MSA and sends them to the D printers. So I am quite sure that the files arrive savely under VMS.  H >Your best bet to test this is to save the postscript to a PC file, thenJ >transfer it as a binary file to VMS with FTP or kermit, and then print it >from there.  L We did that with no luck. Sending the file directly to the printer from a PC does print it properly.   F I'll open up a support call with Process and repost it in the Multinet newsgroups.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2003 16:50:37 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ) Subject: Re: Binary PostScript under VMS? 0 Message-ID: <b190ot$ao0$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  j In article <8debc3ff.0301290728.26100476@posting.google.com>, ken.randell@fortel.com (Ken Randell) writes:D >Do you really need to generate the Postscript file on VMS?  Why notG >simply capture your print output on from a PC or MAC and FTP it to the  >VMS system?  E The reason is quite simple: if I use a program under VMS I am able to ? exclude all potential problems of ill-behaving PCs, unrealiable F transfer-methods, etc. . This is helpful when you open a support call.  F >This may not be relevant to your case, but how is your printer hooked >up to your VMS system?    Multinet's stream symbiont.   E >Some years ago I went through a similar exercise (trying to print an J >Postscript file with a binary image) from VMS on a printer attached via aG >serial line (LAT actually), but I never could make it work, even using / >various combinations of Pasthru, Passall, etc.   M It looks as if we have quite the same here. This is not the first time that I G go through such a case. It took us quite some time to get the Tektronix ' Phaser750 to work or the Fiery spooler.   K But after a whole day's work on it (had one person busy all day long and me G joining in from time to time) I found the reason but still have no fix. K It is basically line-feeds that disappear on their way from Multinet to the 6 printer. I'll continue this in the Multinet newsgroup.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:01:36 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> # Subject: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? 4 Message-ID: <AVSZ9.1839$FS.130@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  I The company I work for recently purchased a facility which has an OpenVMS @ VAX V6.2 CI cluster.  Some of the layered/3rd party products areE discontinued.  Others that are still supported are vintage late 1980s 	 versions.   F I'm working on a plan to migrate this cluster to Alpha systems runningF V7.3-1.  Due to the lack of support for many of the products currentlyI running, I'd rather not try to upgrade the VAX systems to V7.3.  Instead, I I'd rather cluster the OpenVMS VAX V6.2 and Alpha V7.3-1 systems and move F the older VAX packages to their newer Alpha counterparts/replacements.   Some other tidbits: 6 - OpenVMS VAX systems are running all current VAX ECOsL - No shadowing now, will want to MSCP serve some single member FC disks from Alpha to VAXK - The Alpha systems will have CIPCA cards and connect to the same CI bus as  the VAX systems  - 7x24 operation  H I'm looking for some input from people who may have some experience with& these mixed versions running together.   Thanks,  -Jeff    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:55:29 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? 6 Message-ID: <b1912e$10pmpg$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  < "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> schreef in bericht. news:AVSZ9.1839$FS.130@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > K > The company I work for recently purchased a facility which has an OpenVMS B > VAX V6.2 CI cluster.  Some of the layered/3rd party products areG > discontinued.  Others that are still supported are vintage late 1980s  > versions.  > H > I'm working on a plan to migrate this cluster to Alpha systems runningH > V7.3-1.  Due to the lack of support for many of the products currentlyK > running, I'd rather not try to upgrade the VAX systems to V7.3.  Instead, K > I'd rather cluster the OpenVMS VAX V6.2 and Alpha V7.3-1 systems and move H > the older VAX packages to their newer Alpha counterparts/replacements. >  > Some other tidbits: 8 > - OpenVMS VAX systems are running all current VAX ECOsI > - No shadowing now, will want to MSCP serve some single member FC disks  from > Alpha to VAXJ > - The Alpha systems will have CIPCA cards and connect to the same CI bus as > the VAX systems  > - 7x24 operation > J > I'm looking for some input from people who may have some experience with( > these mixed versions running together. >  Jeff,   K for what it is worth: I ran a VAXcluster with the following combinations at  home:      5.5-1 combined with 7.1      5.5-1 combined with 7.2      7.1 combined with 7.3 G None of them are warranted combinations, but they work. Even though all  these E combinations were run at home, the uptime of all nodes in the cluster  exceededA several weeks (that was before I got the electricity bill :-(   ) K My guess is that VAX/VMS 6.2 will cluster with AXP/VMS 7.3-1, that you will G see warnings that one node in the cluster cannot support the VIO cache. . But I have no "live" proof  that it will work.   Hans   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 12:08:21 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ' Subject: Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? 3 Message-ID: <fBo8MaRJ21K4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <AVSZ9.1839$FS.130@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> writes: > K > The company I work for recently purchased a facility which has an OpenVMS B > VAX V6.2 CI cluster.  Some of the layered/3rd party products areG > discontinued.  Others that are still supported are vintage late 1980s  > versions.  > H > I'm working on a plan to migrate this cluster to Alpha systems runningH > V7.3-1.  Due to the lack of support for many of the products currentlyK > running, I'd rather not try to upgrade the VAX systems to V7.3.  Instead, K > I'd rather cluster the OpenVMS VAX V6.2 and Alpha V7.3-1 systems and move H > the older VAX packages to their newer Alpha counterparts/replacements. >  > Some other tidbits: 8 > - OpenVMS VAX systems are running all current VAX ECOsN > - No shadowing now, will want to MSCP serve some single member FC disks from > Alpha to VAXM > - The Alpha systems will have CIPCA cards and connect to the same CI bus as  > the VAX systems  > - 7x24 operation > J > I'm looking for some input from people who may have some experience with( > these mixed versions running together. >     	If you go to PDF page 22 (2-2):  W http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/731FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_ALPHA_INSTALL.PDF   # 	You will notice a very short list:   N                      Alpha V7.3x and VAX V7.3      Alpha V7.2-x a and VAX V7.2  < Alpha V7.3x and      WARRANTED                     Migration	 VAX V7. 3   < Alpha V7.2-x a and   Migration                     WARRANTED	 VAX V7. 2     8 o  Note that OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.2 is not supported.   ---     	Search google too, for example:   	warranted migration  c http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3OfA8.1051%24W3.16903%40typhoon.bart.nl&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain   F 	Since there was/is significant work in 7.3-1 (locking comes to mind),> 	I would definitely check with HP.  At least to get a feel forC 	whether you should try it.  What I would be >>concerned<< about is D 	it goes south and someone comes along and finds out it wasn't even @ 	supported for migration.  I would *definitely* point out to allG 	involved (senior management) that this isn't a supported configuration > 	even for migration purposes and maybe cut and paste "what is  	migration."   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:09:58 -0600 - From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> ' Subject: RE: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? J Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA165A7@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7C1.A2290CD0  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"         H > We converted our VAX to Alpha using the same method.  VAX CI clusteredI > with Alpha FC, no problems, however we were at the same O/S (V7.2).  As G > previous e-mails suggest (V7 & V5) though not supported, should work.  >  >  > Keep in mind the following:  > @ > 1) Ensure that there are no DECnet node and address conflicts. > " > 2) Adjust the SYSGEN parameters: >  > (if being used)  > EXPECTED_VOTES > VOTES          > QDSKVOTES 
 > DISK_QUORUM  > L > 3) Copy the SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSER_AUTHORIZE.DAT; from the Alpha Servers to theF > VAX servers.  Perform a shutdown of the VAX cluster, then bring eachJ > member up into the Alpha Cluster.  No need to guess or change passwords, > etc. > E > 4) Logical structures and disk naming conventions - especially when  > mounting cluster wide. >  >  >  >  >  >  > John Brandon > VMS Systems Administrator  > Dallas Semiconductor > john.brandon@dalsemi.com > 972.371.4172 wk  > 972.371.4003 fx  >  >  > K > The company I work for recently purchased a facility which has an OpenVMS B > VAX V6.2 CI cluster.  Some of the layered/3rd party products areG > discontinued.  Others that are still supported are vintage late 1980s  > versions.  > H > I'm working on a plan to migrate this cluster to Alpha systems runningH > V7.3-1.  Due to the lack of support for many of the products currentlyK > running, I'd rather not try to upgrade the VAX systems to V7.3.  Instead, K > I'd rather cluster the OpenVMS VAX V6.2 and Alpha V7.3-1 systems and move H > the older VAX packages to their newer Alpha counterparts/replacements. >  > Some other tidbits: 8 > - OpenVMS VAX systems are running all current VAX ECOsI > - No shadowing now, will want to MSCP serve some single member FC disks  > from > Alpha to VAXJ > - The Alpha systems will have CIPCA cards and connect to the same CI bus > as > the VAX systems  > - 7x24 operation > J > I'm looking for some input from people who may have some experience with( > these mixed versions running together. > 	 > Thanks,  > -Jeff  >   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7C1.A2290CD0  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12"> - <TITLE>RE: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1?</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY> <BR> <BR> <BR> <UL>F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">We converted our VAX to Alpha =A using the same method.&nbsp; VAX CI clustered with Alpha FC, no = E problems, however we were at the same O/S (V7.2).&nbsp; As previous = < e-mails suggest (V7 &amp; V5) though not supported, should = work.</FONT></P> <BR>  9 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Keep in mind the =  following:</FONT>  </P>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">1) Ensure that there are no =) DECnet node and address conflicts.</FONT>  </P>  = <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">2) Adjust the SYSGEN =  parameters:</FONT> </P>  = <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">(if being used)</FONT> = <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">EXPECTED_VOTES</FONT> $ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =B New">VOTES&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">QDSKVOTES</FONT>: <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">DISK_QUORUM</FONT> </P>  4 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">3) Copy the =D SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSER_AUTHORIZE.DAT; from the Alpha Servers to the VAX =G servers.&nbsp; Perform a shutdown of the VAX cluster, then bring each = D member up into the Alpha Cluster.&nbsp; No need to guess or change = passwords, etc.</FONT></P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">4) Logical structures and disk = B naming conventions - especially when mounting cluster wide.</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>  4 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">John Brandon</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">VMS Systems Administrator</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Dallas Semiconductor</FONT> A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT> 8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">972.371.4172 wk</FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">972.371.4003 fx</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">The company I work for recently =0 purchased a facility which has an OpenVMS</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">VAX V6.2 CI cluster.&nbsp; Some = , of the layered/3rd party products are</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">discontinued.&nbsp; Others that = 1 are still supported are vintage late 1980s</FONT> 8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">versions.</FONT> </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">I'm working on a plan to migrate = , this cluster to Alpha systems running</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">V7.3-1.&nbsp; Due to the lack = 4 of support for many of the products currently</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">running, I'd rather not try to =6 upgrade the VAX systems to V7.3.&nbsp; Instead,</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">I'd rather cluster the OpenVMS =1 VAX V6.2 and Alpha V7.3-1 systems and move</FONT> I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">the older VAX packages to their = - newer Alpha counterparts/replacements.</FONT>  </P>  A <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Some other tidbits:</FONT> C <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- OpenVMS VAX systems are = # running all current VAX ECOs</FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- No shadowing now, will want = 5 to MSCP serve some single member FC disks from</FONT> ; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Alpha to VAX</FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- The Alpha systems will have = 4 CIPCA cards and connect to the same CI bus as</FONT>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">the VAX systems</FONT>? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- 7x24 operation</FONT>  </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">I'm looking for some input from =/ people who may have some experience with</FONT> F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">these mixed versions running = together.</FONT> </P>  5 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Thanks,</FONT> 4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">-Jeff</FONT> </P> </UL>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7C1.A2290CD0--    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:29:50 -0600 - From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> ' Subject: RE: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? J Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA165A8@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7C4.6902BDE0  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"       5) Pathworks or Advanced Server.   6) DECnet aliases.  I 7) I assume that you will not be sharing common files (SYSUAF, NETOBJECT, 4 RIGHTSLIST, MAIL, etc.).  I suggest that you DO NOT.  G 8) You may want to create a transfer disk(s) shared between the VAX and L Alpha - though on second thought this may not be necessary if using MSCP (asJ you say).  However it may provide a central location for deposits, staging
 area, etc.  G 9) VEST may work for you (correct name?  name change, product the same) I however it is always best to re-compile - especially to take advantage of J any available EVx/x technology and performance enhancements.  New software installs are always best!   L 10) Force the Alpha Servers to serve the CI disk drives - forget the correctD syntax, but will look for it.  Your file transfers will move faster.  ; 11) License issues.  Upgrades, replacements, new ones, etc.     L You will find the performance gains breathtaking - as I am sure you are wellG aware of.  We went from VAX 7840 & VAX 6640 to a GS160, producing a 12x K performance improvement for our environment (yours will vary).  The storage2B backup no longer chokes on the FC as it did on the CI (5 x TL887).    
 Best of luck.S     John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorc Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fxp     > -----Original Message----- > From:	John Brandon i, > Sent:	Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:10 PM+ > To:	John Brandon; 'Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com' ) > Subject:	RE: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1?p >  >  >  > ? > 	We converted our VAX to Alpha using the same method.  VAX CI G > clustered with Alpha FC, no problems, however we were at the same O/SeF > (V7.2).  As previous e-mails suggest (V7 & V5) though not supported, > should work. >  >  > 	Keep in mind the following: > A > 	1) Ensure that there are no DECnet node and address conflicts./ > # > 	2) Adjust the SYSGEN parameters:/ >  > 	(if being used) > 	EXPECTED_VOTESN > 	VOTES           > 	QDSKVOTES > 	DISK_QUORUM > F > 	3) Copy the SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSER_AUTHORIZE.DAT; from the Alpha ServersH > to the VAX servers.  Perform a shutdown of the VAX cluster, then bringD > each member up into the Alpha Cluster.  No need to guess or change > passwords, etc.f > F > 	4) Logical structures and disk naming conventions - especially when > mounting cluster wide. >  >  >  >  >  >  > 	John Brandont > 	VMS Systems Administrator > 	Dallas Semiconductor. > 	john.brandon@dalsemi.coms > 	972.371.4172 wk > 	972.371.4003 fx >  >  > D > 	The company I work for recently purchased a facility which has an	 > OpenVMSnC > 	VAX V6.2 CI cluster.  Some of the layered/3rd party products areqB > 	discontinued.  Others that are still supported are vintage late > 1980sr > 	versions. > A > 	I'm working on a plan to migrate this cluster to Alpha systemsc	 > runningt? > 	V7.3-1.  Due to the lack of support for many of the productsk > currentlyeB > 	running, I'd rather not try to upgrade the VAX systems to V7.3.
 > Instead,G > 	I'd rather cluster the OpenVMS VAX V6.2 and Alpha V7.3-1 systems and  > move. > 	the older VAX packages to their newer Alpha > counterparts/replacements. >  > 	Some other tidbits:9 > 	- OpenVMS VAX systems are running all current VAX ECOsgD > 	- No shadowing now, will want to MSCP serve some single member FC > disks from > 	Alpha to VAXgG > 	- The Alpha systems will have CIPCA cards and connect to the same CIU > bus as > 	the VAX systems > 	- 7x24 operation  > F > 	I'm looking for some input from people who may have some experience > with) > 	these mixed versions running together.d > 
 > 	Thanks, > 	-Jeff >   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7C4.6902BDE0  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"-+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">. <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =e charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12">e- <TITLE>RE: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1?</TITLE>> </HEAD>  <BODY> <BR>  D <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">5) Pathworks or = Advanced Server.</FONT>  </P>  > <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">6) DECnet = aliases.</FONT>  </P>  I <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">7) I assume that you =nH will not be sharing common files (SYSUAF, NETOBJECT, RIGHTSLIST, MAIL, =2 etc.).&nbsp; I suggest that you DO NOT.</FONT></P>  G <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">8) You may want to =pH create a transfer disk(s) shared between the VAX and Alpha - though on =@ second thought this may not be necessary if using MSCP (as you =E say).&nbsp; However it may provide a central location for deposits, =m staging area, etc.</FONT></P>i  I <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">9) VEST may work for =9G you (correct name?&nbsp; name change, product the same) however it is =<A always best to re-compile - especially to take advantage of any =nD available EVx/x technology and performance enhancements.&nbsp; New =- software installs are always best!</FONT></P>o  H <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">10) Force the Alpha =F Servers to serve the CI disk drives - forget the correct syntax, but =7 will look for it.&nbsp; Your file transfers will move =  faster.</FONT></P>  @ <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">11) License =; issues.&nbsp; Upgrades, replacements, new ones, etc.</FONT>t </P> <BR>  F <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">You will find the =B performance gains breathtaking - as I am sure you are well aware =H of.&nbsp; We went from VAX 7840 &amp; VAX 6640 to a GS160, producing a == 12x performance improvement for our environment (yours will =nI vary).&nbsp; The storage backup no longer chokes on the FC as it did on =  the CI (5 x TL887).</FONT></P> <BR>  G <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Best of luck.</FONT>s </P> <BR>  4 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">John Brandon</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">VMS Systems Administrator</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>bA <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>A8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">972.371.4172 wk</FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">972.371.4003 fx</FONT> </P> <BR> <UL>B <P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>I <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT =v, SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">John Brandon </FONT>I <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT =oC SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:10 PM</FONT>s <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =dF FACE=3D"Arial">To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 =; FACE=3D"Arial">John Brandon; 'Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com'</FONT>d <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =fI FACE=3D"Arial">Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT>=e; </B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">RE: Clustered V6.2 and =n V7.3-1?</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <BR> <UL>F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">We converted our VAX to Alpha =A using the same method.&nbsp; VAX CI clustered with Alpha FC, no =-E problems, however we were at the same O/S (V7.2).&nbsp; As previous =c< e-mails suggest (V7 &amp; V5) though not supported, should = work.</FONT></P> <BR>  9 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Keep in mind the =A following:</FONT>  </P>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">1) Ensure that there are no =) DECnet node and address conflicts.</FONT>r </P>  = <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">2) Adjust the SYSGEN =  parameters:</FONT> </P>  = <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">(if being used)</FONT>3= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">EXPECTED_VOTES</FONT>e$ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =B New">VOTES&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">QDSKVOTES</FONT>: <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">DISK_QUORUM</FONT> </P>  4 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">3) Copy the =D SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSER_AUTHORIZE.DAT; from the Alpha Servers to the VAX =G servers.&nbsp; Perform a shutdown of the VAX cluster, then bring each = D member up into the Alpha Cluster.&nbsp; No need to guess or change = passwords, etc.</FONT></P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">4) Logical structures and disk =nB naming conventions - especially when mounting cluster wide.</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>  4 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">John Brandon</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">VMS Systems Administrator</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>sA <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>.8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">972.371.4172 wk</FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">972.371.4003 fx</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">The company I work for recently =0 purchased a facility which has an OpenVMS</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">VAX V6.2 CI cluster.&nbsp; Some =n, of the layered/3rd party products are</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">discontinued.&nbsp; Others that =a1 are still supported are vintage late 1980s</FONT> 8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">versions.</FONT> </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">I'm working on a plan to migrate =g, this cluster to Alpha systems running</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">V7.3-1.&nbsp; Due to the lack = 4 of support for many of the products currently</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">running, I'd rather not try to =6 upgrade the VAX systems to V7.3.&nbsp; Instead,</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">I'd rather cluster the OpenVMS =1 VAX V6.2 and Alpha V7.3-1 systems and move</FONT>*I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">the older VAX packages to their =-- newer Alpha counterparts/replacements.</FONT>  </P>  A <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Some other tidbits:</FONT>AC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- OpenVMS VAX systems are = # running all current VAX ECOs</FONT>GG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- No shadowing now, will want =i5 to MSCP serve some single member FC disks from</FONT>v; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Alpha to VAX</FONT>aG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- The Alpha systems will have ='4 CIPCA cards and connect to the same CI bus as</FONT>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">the VAX systems</FONT>? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">- 7x24 operation</FONT>  </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">I'm looking for some input from =/ people who may have some experience with</FONT>sF <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">these mixed versions running = together.</FONT> </P>  5 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">Thanks,</FONT>T4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier New">-Jeff</FONT> </P>
 </UL></UL> </BODY>- </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7C4.6902BDE0--i   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 12:57:26 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)a' Subject: RE: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1?o3 Message-ID: <82nPR8YkzoE$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   z In article <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA165A8@misnts1.dalsemi.com>, John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> writes:   > K > 7) I assume that you will not be sharing common files (SYSUAF, NETOBJECT,p6 > RIGHTSLIST, MAIL, etc.).  I suggest that you DO NOT. >   < 	This suggetion is not a good one.  Two separate SYSUAFs in 9 	a large user community can be a nightmare (passwords outoG 	of synch, users change passwords on VAX but can't recall whether they  I 	changed it on Alpha, find out it is in password history in Alpha, etc.   6 	There are hundreds of variations of nightmares here).  E 	Secondly, I did just that.  Shared SYS files VAX and Alpha, probablyE9 	still that way (sizable cluster - 4 Alphas and 4 Vaxes).o  ? 	I suggest just the opposite, share files - because you can and  	because it works well.a   > N > 10) Force the Alpha Servers to serve the CI disk drives - forget the correctF > syntax, but will look for it.  Your file transfers will move faster. >   9 	He mentioned the Alphas are plugged into the same CI bus B 	as the VAXes.  This tells me two things.  The Alphas see the sameD 	disks the VAXes see, since that is the case ... they should be part: 	of the same cluster.  That or the intention is to see how8 	fast you can scramble a disk (of course, if not mounted3 	from the VAX I suppose you could mount them on thea4 	Alpha - and vice-versa).  Besides, the subject line 	says "Clustered."   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:33:15 GMTi. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <%sLZ9.24131$xv1.298034@news.chello.at>e  h In article <XSCZ9.2576$c6.2314@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com>, Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> writes:H >Boy, I could have sworn a number of years ago there existed a CRON for G >VMS written in C...  Looked in my archives and turned up nothing, but - >I'm still sure it existed.-    Maybe it has another name KRONOS   -- u Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER6% Network and OpenVMS system specialisti E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:04:09 -0500 ' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com>h0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS> Message-ID: <CYSZ9.2591$c6.2671@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com>   Rob Young wrote:j > In article <XSCZ9.2576$c6.2314@bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com>, Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com> writes: >  >>David J. Dachtera wrote: >> >>>Please correct me here: >>> I >>>I believe it was Rob Young that had a CRON.COM DCL proc. that could bef$ >>>kicked off as a detached process. >>>fK >>>Was this ever submited to Hunter Goatley's freeware archive? I don't seen
 >>>it listed.a >>>o5 >>>Are there any others that would be worthy of note?  >>>SE >>>This comes up often enough that maybe it oughtta be developed in a,E >>>compiled language (C?). The gripe there, of course, is introducingt >>>security risks. >>>a >>I >>Boy, I could have sworn a number of years ago there existed a CRON for eH >>VMS written in C...  Looked in my archives and turned up nothing, but  >>I'm still sure it existed. >> > @ > 	There is a pseudo-cron out there, that has been VMS-ized.  InA > 	fact, the top two entries in groups.google.com -> comp.os.vms,s > 	point to it:o > _ > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1993Jul6.184949.18904%40wega.rz.uni-ulm.de&output=gplaini >r > [snip] > J >>  One of the big omissions from VMS as far as I was ever concerned -- a G >>splendid batch system implementation (better than Unix as far as I'm V4 >>concerned), and no way to manage the jobs in it.   > 
 > 	Sacrilege!o > J >  One of the big omissions from Unix as far as I was ever concerned -- a K >  splendid vi implementation (better than ed as far as I'm concerned), buthE >  nothing for backups.  dumping tar?  You have got to be kidding me.p >   H Oh, well if you wanna go THAT direction, than the omissions in Unix far B outweigh the few holes in VMS, sure.  I'd completely agree there.   Backup is certainly one of them.   >>I've still never eH >>really completely accepted the Unix way of doing this because the VMS J >>way just seems too well engineered (of course).  But no batch manager... >  > B > 	Tis true.  But just as the Unix weenies have had to be creativeC > 	to overcome their OS limitations, there are a few pieces missingg@ > 	from VMS and 3rd parties have filled the gaps, same for Unix.  	 All true.o   > I > 	Now arguably, no one on VMS should have to pay for a batch manager andt; > 	you don't have to.  Kronos is decent (or so I've heard).p >   I I wonder if Kronos is what I was thinking of, though again, I could have rE sworn it was just called "CRON"...  Anyway, no way for me to know at   this point.    Chrise  F (PS. Tried replying from two different email accounts to your private 9 email to me, Rob, but my reply bounced both times... 8( )i -----l Chris Olive  Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec AT indy DOT raytheon DOT com   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 10:05:33 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)0 Subject: Re: cron in LINUX/UNIX, what in OpenVMS= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301291005.7e1a602e@posting.google.com>t  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KRRLUV9B9Y9GV63L@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...H > > The simplest way to do it in VMS is for the batch job that does yourC > > processing to submit itself to run at some point in the future.a > > " > > Look up SUBMIT /AFTER in Help. > F > Good suggestion.  However, at least the SUBMIT command should be as H > early as possible in the procedure, so that it gets submitted even if I > the batch job doing the submitting has problems.  Also, since the file oH > specification of a batch job is determined at submit time, not at run K > time (i.e. logicals translated, version number determined etc), it might eJ > be better to have the "real" batch job code in a separate file which is J > then executed from the batch job which resubmits itself.  That way, one K > can change the code being executed without having to delete and resubmit . > batch entries.    > Another thing to watch out for with SUBMIT/AFTER is if you use something like  .     $ SUBMIT/AFTER="''SOME_TIME_SYMBOL'"  ....  E If that symbol happens to be null for some reason, the job will starteC right away! Probably not what you want, especially since this wouldnE most likely be caused by a bug in your DCL command procedure. So make  sure that symbol isn't null."n   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanu   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:30:46 +0000 (UTC)l+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)f. Subject: Re: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration+ Message-ID: <b18agm$c2a$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>r  z In article <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16589@misnts1.dalsemi.com>, John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> writes:K >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understande= >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.d >k( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80 >Content-Type: text/plain; >	charset="iso-8859-1" >eJ >For those of you interested in Apache/PHP and ORACLE interface - sorry ifL >this is old news to you, however I am excited about it and just chomping at >the bit...l > J >We have successfully installed CSWS V1.3 (Apache) with CSWS_PHP (V1.1) onL >our Alpha Server (a GS160 running V7.2-1h1).  And of course, we encounteredM >problems with our PHP ORACLE setup - the release notes are a little bit lean 3 >(really?!?) Here is how we solved the setup issue:. >  >a  G Any idea whether your PHP kit would work with other VMS webserver's in - particular OSU.-M I've currently got Dave Jones' PHP kit installed with my OSU server but don't46 know how to get the PEAR DB interface to Oracle built.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      # >1) Modify the php.ini config file:b >, >fromy >;extension=php_oci8.exe >  >to  >extension=php_oci8.exe: >w >m. >2) Add the following to APACHE$WWW login.com; > + >$ ! Login.Com for Apache HTTP (WWW) Server2 >$ ! >$ ! >$ ! define the ORACLE logicals" >$ !3 >$ @oracle$sub:[admin.db_dwhous]orauser_dwhous.com;7 >$ ! >$ !J >$ ! Define the OCI extension logicals if we find the OCI client shareable >$ !? >$ if (f$search("ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe;") .nes. ""). >$ then B >$     define /nolog php$oci_shr ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe% >$!     define /nolog php$oci_pfx " "  >$ endif >$!' >$ exit  >aI >Note(2.1) oracle$sub is a logical defined to disk:[oracle.] /trans=conc. D >Note(2.2) oraclient_v816.exe is our version, your version may vary.> >Note(2.3) the php$oci_pfx was not needed for our environment.8 >Note(2.4) works with ORACLE V8 and V9 - or so they say. >d >v >3) Restart APACHE web server. > L >The test of PHP http://server.domain.com/php_rules.php is kind of lame, use? >the http://server.domain.com/php_info.php which is far better.l >n >o= >4) Obtain some sample scripts from www.php.net and go at it.h >l >  >t
 >John BrandonI >VMS Systems Administrator >Dallas SemiconductorA >john.brandon@dalsemi.comn >972.371.4172 wk >972.371.4003 fx >p( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80 >Content-Type: text/html;g >	charset="iso-8859-1", >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >,2 ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> ><HTML>n ><HEAD>c: ><META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = >charset=3Diso-8859-1">sA ><META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =t >5.5.2653.12">1 ><TITLE>CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration</TITLE>  ></HEAD> ><BODY>  >cI ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For those of you interested in Apache/PHP and ORACLE = E >interface - sorry if this is old news to you, however I am excited =s4 >about it and just chomping at the bit...</FONT></P> > F ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>We have successfully installed CSWS V1.3 (Apache) =< >with CSWS_PHP (V1.1) on our Alpha Server (a GS160 running =G >V7.2-1h1).&nbsp; And of course, we encountered problems with our PHP = J >ORACLE setup - the release notes are a little bit lean (really?!?) Here =- >is how we solved the setup issue:</FONT></P>  ><BR>l > < ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1) Modify the php.ini config file:</FONT> ></P>A >y ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>from</FONT>4 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>;extension=3Dphp_oci8.exe</FONT> ></P>n >  ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>to</FONT>3 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>extension=3Dphp_oci8.exe</FONT>  ></P>n ><BR>t >sG ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>2) Add the following to APACHE$WWW login.com;</FONT>  ></P>e >pD ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ ! Login.Com for Apache HTTP (WWW) Server</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT>9 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ ! define the ORACLE logicals</FONT>  ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ = 8 >@oracle$sub:[admin.db_dwhous]orauser_dwhous.com;</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT>J ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ ! Define the OCI extension logicals if we find the = >OCI client shareable</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ if =B >(f$search(&quot;ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe;&quot;) .nes. = >&quot;&quot;)</FONT> ! ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ then</FONT> I ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; define /nolog php$oci_shr =-) >ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe</FONT>0J ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; define /nolog php$oci_pfx = >&quot; &quot;</FONT>D" ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ endif</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$!</FONT>9! ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ exit</FONT>f ></P>n >jA ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.1) oracle$sub is a logical defined to =n% >disk:[oracle.] /trans=3Dconc.</FONT>pG ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.2) oraclient_v816.exe is our version, your =e >version may vary.</FONT>hF ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.3) the php$oci_pfx was not needed for our = >environment.</FONT>H ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.4) works with ORACLE V8 and V9 - or so they = >say.</FONT> ></P>  ><BR>d >s7 ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>3) Restart APACHE web server.</FONT>V ></P>e >t' ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The test of PHP <A =t2 >HREF=3D"http://server.domain.com/php_rules.php" =J >TARGET=3D"_blank">http://server.domain.com/php_rules.php</A> is kind of =B >lame, use the <A HREF=3D"http://server.domain.com/php_info.php" =G >TARGET=3D"_blank">http://server.domain.com/php_info.php</A> which is =n >far better.</FONT></P>  ><BR>  >VJ ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>4) Obtain some sample scripts from www.php.net and go = >at it.</FONT> ></P>m ><BR>  ><BR>e >i& ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Brandon</FONT>4 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT>/ ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>t3 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>/* ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>* ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT> ></P>t >  ></BODY> ></HTML>* >------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:00:28 -0600a- From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com>i. Subject: RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configurationJ Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16590@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C796.656D9F20f Content-Type: text/plain;g 	charset="iso-8859-1"u  J The PHP I have installed on our servers is part of the CSWS (Compaq SecureK Web Server).  Since I only have CSWS installed, I do not know the answer tocI your question.  My knee jerk reaction would Se to say "no", since this isdC CSWS_PHP and requires CSWS and is installed into the CSWS directoryi	 structureu  L The CSWS comes free with a subscription to VMS support and can be located at the following URL:  C http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html3  K Why not install the products and see?  If nothing else you will end up withCE a not so bad web server.  What can I say, I only have CSWS installed.9     John Brandon VMS Systems Administratore Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkh 972.371.4003 fxr     -----Original Message-----H From: david20@alpha1.axp.mdx.ac.uk [mailto:david20@alpha1.axp.mdx.ac.uk]) Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:31 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . Subject: Re: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration    J In article <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16589@misnts1.dalsemi.com>,/ John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> writes:sK >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understande= >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.h >Y( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80 >Content-Type: text/plain; >	charset="iso-8859-1" >KJ >For those of you interested in Apache/PHP and ORACLE interface - sorry ifL >this is old news to you, however I am excited about it and just chomping at >the bit...e >rJ >We have successfully installed CSWS V1.3 (Apache) with CSWS_PHP (V1.1) onL >our Alpha Server (a GS160 running V7.2-1h1).  And of course, we encounteredH >problems with our PHP ORACLE setup - the release notes are a little bit lean3 >(really?!?) Here is how we solved the setup issue:d >e >c  G Any idea whether your PHP kit would work with other VMS webserver's in k particular OSU.cG I've currently got Dave Jones' PHP kit installed with my OSU server buth don'te6 know how to get the PEAR DB interface to Oracle built.    
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 >John Brandon. >VMS Systems Administrator >Dallas SemiconductorT >john.brandon@dalsemi.comB >972.371.4172 wk >972.371.4003 fx > ( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80 >Content-Type: text/html;m >	charset="iso-8859-1", >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >w2 ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> ><HTML>g ><HEAD>a: ><META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = >charset=3Diso-8859-1">AA ><META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =  >5.5.2653.12">1 ><TITLE>CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration</TITLE>= ></HEAD> ><BODY>d >sI ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For those of you interested in Apache/PHP and ORACLE =uE >interface - sorry if this is old news to you, however I am excited ="4 >about it and just chomping at the bit...</FONT></P> >FF ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>We have successfully installed CSWS V1.3 (Apache) =< >with CSWS_PHP (V1.1) on our Alpha Server (a GS160 running =G >V7.2-1h1).&nbsp; And of course, we encountered problems with our PHP = J >ORACLE setup - the release notes are a little bit lean (really?!?) Here =- >is how we solved the setup issue:</FONT></P>Y ><BR>M >U< ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1) Modify the php.ini config file:</FONT> ></P>; >r ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>from</FONT>4 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>;extension=3Dphp_oci8.exe</FONT> ></P>p >o ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>to</FONT>3 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>extension=3Dphp_oci8.exe</FONT>" ></P>  ><BR>  >iG ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>2) Add the following to APACHE$WWW login.com;</FONT>  ></P>  >eD ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ ! Login.Com for Apache HTTP (WWW) Server</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT>9 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ ! define the ORACLE logicals</FONT>= ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ =28 >@oracle$sub:[admin.db_dwhous]orauser_dwhous.com;</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT>J ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ ! Define the OCI extension logicals if we find the = >OCI client shareable</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ !</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ if =B >(f$search(&quot;ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe;&quot;) .nes. = >&quot;&quot;)</FONT>m! ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ then</FONT>uI ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; define /nolog php$oci_shr = ) >ora_root:[util]oraclient_v816.exe</FONT>tJ ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; define /nolog php$oci_pfx = >&quot; &quot;</FONT>S" ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ endif</FONT> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$!</FONT>h! ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>$ exit</FONT>< ></P>  >>A ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.1) oracle$sub is a logical defined to = % >disk:[oracle.] /trans=3Dconc.</FONT>uG ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.2) oraclient_v816.exe is our version, your =e >version may vary.</FONT> F ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.3) the php$oci_pfx was not needed for our = >environment.</FONT>H ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note(2.4) works with ORACLE V8 and V9 - or so they = >say.</FONT> ></P>F ><BR>C >i7 ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>3) Restart APACHE web server.</FONT>o ></P>r >r' ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The test of PHP <A =Z2 >HREF=3D"http://server.domain.com/php_rules.php" =J >TARGET=3D"_blank">http://server.domain.com/php_rules.php</A> is kind of =B >lame, use the <A HREF=3D"http://server.domain.com/php_info.php" =G >TARGET=3D"_blank">http://server.domain.com/php_info.php</A> which is =r >far better.</FONT></P>B ><BR>  >EJ ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>4) Obtain some sample scripts from www.php.net and go = >at it.</FONT> ></P>  ><BR>  ><BR>v > & ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Brandon</FONT>4 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT>/ ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>=3 ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT><* ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>* ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT> ></P>e >r ></BODY> ></HTML>* >------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80--  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C796.656D9F20> Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"T+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableu  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">L <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =- charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2653.12">R4 <TITLE>RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration</TITLE> </HEAD>E <BODY>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The PHP I have installed on our servers is part of =C the CSWS (Compaq Secure Web Server).&nbsp; Since I only have CSWS =hE installed, I do not know the answer to your question.&nbsp; My knee =EF jerk reaction would Se to say &quot;no&quot;, since this is CSWS_PHP =< and requires CSWS and is installed into the CSWS directory = structure</FONT></P>  B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The CSWS comes free with a subscription to VMS =7 support and can be located at the following URL:</FONT>f </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =I HREF=3D"http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.h=  tml" =I TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apa=g che/csws.html</A></FONT> </P>  B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Why not install the products and see?&nbsp; If =G nothing else you will end up with a not so bad web server.&nbsp; What =a1 can I say, I only have CSWS installed.</FONT></P>  <BR>  % <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Brandon</FONT> 3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT> . <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>e) <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT>  </P> <BR>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>f; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: david20@alpha1.axp.mdx.ac.uk [<A =aI HREF=3D"mailto:david20@alpha1.axp.mdx.ac.uk">mailto:david20@alpha1.axp.m=p dx.ac.uk</A>]</FONT>C <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 4:31 AM</FONT>B3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>t5 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: CSWS PHP and ORACLE =. configuration</FONT> </P> <BR>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In article =G &lt;1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16589@misnts1.dalsemi.com&gt;, =A@ John Brandon &lt;John.Brandon@dalsemi.com&gt; writes:</FONT></P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;This message is in MIME format. Since your mail = ! reader does not understand</FONT>bI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;this format, some or all of this message may not =e be legible.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2C6F6.B7A69F80</FONT>o7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Content-Type: text/plain;</FONT>e= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =N' charset=3D&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;</FONT>S <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;For those of you interested in Apache/PHP and =" ORACLE interface - sorry if</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;this is old news to you, however I am excited =$ about it and just chomping at</FONT>( <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;the bit...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;We have successfully installed CSWS V1.3 =t' (Apache) with CSWS_PHP (V1.1) on</FONT> : <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;our Alpha Server (a GS160 running =5 V7.2-1h1).&nbsp; And of course, we encountered</FONT>wI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;problems with our PHP ORACLE setup - the release = " notes are a little bit lean</FONT>D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;(really?!?) Here is how we solved the setup =
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 built.</FONT>r </P> <BR>  # <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>David Webb</FONT>O2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VMS and Unix team leader</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>CCSS</FONT>. <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Middlesex University</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR>  ? <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;1) Modify the php.ini config file:</FONT>h <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>" <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;from</FONT>7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;;extension=3Dphp_oci8.exe</FONT>m <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;to</FONT>6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;extension=3Dphp_oci8.exe</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;2) Add the following to APACHE$WWW =  login.com;</FONT>/ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>< <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;$ ! Login.Com for Apache HTTP (WWW) =
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HTML stuff snipped ...]  ) John, please would you stop posting HTML?w  6 Newsgroup discussions should be text-only.  Your stuff9 is bloated by at least a factor of 2 because of the HTML.y  	 Roy Omondc Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:12:53 -0600c- From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com>s. Subject: RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configurationJ Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA16592@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7A0.835696E0h Content-Type: text/plain;o 	charset="iso-8859-1"    Roy -r   Sorry - is this better?i   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorr Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx      -----Original Message-----& From: Roy Omond [mailto:Roy@Omond.net]) Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:33 AMu To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-. Subject: Re: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration    0 John Brandon wrote: [... HTML stuff snipped ...]  ) John, please would you stop posting HTML?   6 Newsgroup discussions should be text-only.  Your stuff9 is bloated by at least a factor of 2 because of the HTML.u  	 Roy Omondo Blue Bubble Ltd.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7A0.835696E09 Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"b  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">a <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">4 <TITLE>RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration</TITLE> </HEAD>T <BODY>   <P><FONT SIZE=2>Roy -</FONT> </P>  . <P><FONT SIZE=2>Sorry - is this better?</FONT> </P>  # <P><FONT SIZE=2>John Brandon</FONT>t1 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT> , <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>0 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>' <BR><FONT SIZE=2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>l' <BR><FONT SIZE=2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT>i </P> <BR>  1 <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>da <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Roy Omond [<A HREF="mailto:Roy@Omond.net">mailto:Roy@Omond.net</A>]</FONT>yA <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:33 AM</FONT>t1 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>nF <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration</FONT> </P> <BR>  G <P><FONT SIZE=2>John Brandon wrote: [... HTML stuff snipped ...]</FONT>o </P>  @ <P><FONT SIZE=2>John, please would you stop posting HTML?</FONT> </P>  R <P><FONT SIZE=2>Newsgroup discussions should be text-only.&nbsp; Your stuff</FONT>Q <BR><FONT SIZE=2>is bloated by at least a factor of 2 because of the HTML.</FONT>- </P>    <P><FONT SIZE=2>Roy Omond</FONT>( <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Blue Bubble Ltd.</FONT> </P>   </BODY>a </HTML>i) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7A0.835696E0--c   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 16:38:20 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>. Subject: RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration6 Message-ID: <20030129163820.31955.qmail@gacracker.org>  C On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote:e/ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"t   >Sorry - is this better?   'fraid not./   But it isn't your fault.  I ><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">r3                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^a  K Ask your postmaster if they can do anything about text-only when sending to  mailing lists such as Info-VAX.(     Doc. -- A: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nett   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:31:45 -0600 - From: John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> . Subject: RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configurationJ Message-ID: <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA165A1@misnts1.dalsemi.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7B3.E9B93E20  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"o  F I believe I have MY HTML/text problems resolved.  If not, I guess I am buying a lot of beer...P   John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkw 972.371.4003 fx   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7B3.E9B93E20s Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">4 <TITLE>RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration</TITLE> </HEAD>  <BODY>  z <P><FONT SIZE=2>I believe I have MY HTML/text problems resolved.&nbsp; If not, I guess I am buying a lot of beer...</FONT> </P>  # <P><FONT SIZE=2>John Brandon</FONT> 1 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT>., <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>0 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>' <BR><FONT SIZE=2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>a' <BR><FONT SIZE=2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT>e </P>   </BODY>. </HTML>n) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7B3.E9B93E20--V   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:49:22 +0000n From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> . Subject: Re: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration( Message-ID: <3E380611.F165CB9@Omond.net>   John Brandon wrote:a  H > I believe I have MY HTML/text problems resolved.  If not, I guess I am > buying a lot of beer...E  2 John, what brands of beer are you offering ?  :-))  ( I reckon your NT group should be paying!  	 Roy Omondr Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:17:16 -0800o$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>. Subject: RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration0 Message-ID: <01C2C77F.BF056110@sulfer.icius.com>   Can I have a coffee instead?   ShaneI   -----Original Message-----4 From: John Brandon [mailto:John.Brandon@dalsemi.com]) Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:32 AMS To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComS. Subject: RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration    F I believe I have MY HTML/text problems resolved.  If not, I guess I am buying a lot of beer...e   John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx3  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">4 <TITLE>RE: CSWS PHP and ORACLE configuration</TITLE> </HEAD>  <BODY>  F <P><FONT SIZE=2>I believe I have MY HTML/text problems resolved.&nbsp;3 If not, I guess I am buying a lot of beer...</FONT>< </P>  # <P><FONT SIZE=2>John Brandon</FONT>=1 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>VMS Systems Administrator</FONT>O, <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Dallas Semiconductor</FONT>0 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>john.brandon@dalsemi.com</FONT>' <BR><FONT SIZE=2>972.371.4172 wk</FONT>>' <BR><FONT SIZE=2>972.371.4003 fx</FONT>O </P>   </BODY>F </HTML>R   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:47:46 +0000I( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: DE500 Strangeness) Message-ID: <3E378722.9EF26588@127.0.0.1>]   Dan O'Reilly wrote:t > F > Using a DE500 on an AlphaStation 200 4/233, VMS 7.3.  When I put theA > card (it's EWB0) into fast (100mpbs) mode using either LANCP or L > SET EWB0_MODE from the SRM console, the 100mbs LED comes on (as expected),G > but the activity status LED comes on and blinks furiously, whether orRG > not a cable is connected.  This has the effect of dragging the systemTH > to its knees (presumably from interrupt traffic).  The card works fine > in 10mpbs mode.f  E I presume you've not got one of those elusive terminators or loopbacko connectors.i  C My first guess, if I was discounting a faulty card, would be a high<A level of electrical or RF interference that the card is trying toe1 respond to, which appears to correspond to 100 Mbo  ? A $ MONITOR MODES will tell you if it's INTERRUPT mode which isRA crippling the system. I have no idea, but can an AlphaStation 200<7 support the interrupt rate of a 100Mb card? Guessing...=   HTH: -- v? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesd nclews at csc dot com<   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:45:44 -0700f% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>v Subject: Re: DE500 StrangenessB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030129064407.01fede98@raptor.psccos.com>  ' At 12:47 AM 1/29/2003, Nic Clews wrote:. >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > >>H > > Using a DE500 on an AlphaStation 200 4/233, VMS 7.3.  When I put theC > > card (it's EWB0) into fast (100mpbs) mode using either LANCP or>N > > SET EWB0_MODE from the SRM console, the 100mbs LED comes on (as expected),I > > but the activity status LED comes on and blinks furiously, whether or.I > > not a cable is connected.  This has the effect of dragging the systemCJ > > to its knees (presumably from interrupt traffic).  The card works fine > > in 10mpbs mode.  >nF >I presume you've not got one of those elusive terminators or loopback >connectors.  E As I said before, I don't have ANYTHING plugged into the port when it>
 does that.  D >My first guess, if I was discounting a faulty card, would be a highB >level of electrical or RF interference that the card is trying to2 >respond to, which appears to correspond to 100 Mb >a@ >A $ MONITOR MODES will tell you if it's INTERRUPT mode which isB >crippling the system. I have no idea, but can an AlphaStation 2008 >support the interrupt rate of a 100Mb card? Guessing...  I It should be able to support it, especially since there's nothing pluggedPH into the port.  Monitor modes doesn't show anything, as the card totally& takes over the system and hangs it up.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:36:14 +0000a( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: DE500 Strangeness) Message-ID: <3E38110E.CA2E5457@127.0.0.1>9   Dan O'Reilly wrote:F > >DH > >I presume you've not got one of those elusive terminators or loopback > >connectors. > G > As I said before, I don't have ANYTHING plugged into the port when itm > does that.  G Sorry, I was implying did it stop if you plugged something into it that.B was unlikely introduce problems while stopping the port from 'free
 floating'.  F > >My first guess, if I was discounting a faulty card, would be a highD > >level of electrical or RF interference that the card is trying to4 > >respond to, which appears to correspond to 100 Mb > >aB > >A $ MONITOR MODES will tell you if it's INTERRUPT mode which isD > >crippling the system. I have no idea, but can an AlphaStation 200: > >support the interrupt rate of a 100Mb card? Guessing... > K > It should be able to support it, especially since there's nothing pluggediJ > into the port.  Monitor modes doesn't show anything, as the card totally( > takes over the system and hangs it up.  H It could be an exercise in futility, but could you set your process prioG to 31 and MON MODES, but if the system itself just hangs... "Dragged toiD it's knees" as you said suggests system activity, and extremely slowG response. If you get very slow response and the system has no activity,o then it's outside the OS..  1 What firmware on the system, is it due an update?   G Can you swap it with another card / system, where do the symptoms move?.% Can you swap the cards between slots?$  # This "feels" like a hardware issue.a   -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesu nclews at csc dot com"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:28:00 +0100c9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.)' Message-ID: <3E37ACB0.3D795875@aaa.com>[  ) Well, in *another* damn leaky boat, not ?v  = And there is an important difference, the DECnent worm seems,p; as you say, to have been exploited poorly secured machines.s6 But a correctly setup system could not be hit, right ?  = In the SQL Slammer case, there was *nothing* a sysadmin couldi@ have done *before* MS realesed it's patch last year. The hole in@ SQL Server was "builtin" by design. In theory nothing could have> stopped SQL Slammer to have been released before the patch was= available, and there was very little any sys admin could have  done about it.  ? It's a big difference between poorly setup systems, and systemsa( with builtin security holes by design...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.i   Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote: > K > And since we're still in the recent aftermath of the SQL Slammer worm,...>- > [deleted info about the old DECnet worm...]e? > ...Basically, it looks like the worm exploited poorly securedA > machines.r > G > Here we are nearly 15 years later--still in the same damn leaky boat.P   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 06:00:12 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.r3 Message-ID: <jDjdy8wGHi0L@eisner.encompasserve.org>"  c In article <3E37ACB0.3D795875@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:t+ > Well, in *another* damn leaky boat, not ?1 > ? > And there is an important difference, the DECnent worm seems,c= > as you say, to have been exploited poorly secured machines. 8 > But a correctly setup system could not be hit, right ?  H A related consideration is that DECnet does not allow unprivileged usersD to create server objects, and thus slows the propagation of insecureC protocols.  In TCP/IP users are free to set up server objects aboveF a certain port number.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:20:14 GMTT- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)d! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question..& Message-ID: <H9Gv5q.K3J@world.std.com>  6 In article <00A1A9FA.0D69B3DE@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,K Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:=  J > Well, HEPnet/SPAN, which connected high-energy physics institutions and L > space science / NASA contractors; that covered a lot of ground and a whole- > lot of distinct organizations in the 1980s.S  E I managed to find some interesting bits about them, thanks to Google,c- including this list of the old network areas:N  O <http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8806030321.AA29362%40ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>a  H And since we're still in the recent aftermath of the SQL Slammer worm, IH found the warning message about the HEPnet/SPAN worm of December 1988 toD be interesting and relevant in a "historical context" sort of way.  F I remember reading about this before, but I didn't realize it was on aJ DECnet network.  The worm that everyone seems to remember is Morris', alsoF from late 1988, that was unleashed on the Internet; I was surprised to9 find out about this one hitting such a short while later.f  K <http://www-mice.cs.ucl.ac.uk/multimedia/misc/tcp_ip/8813.mm.www/0343.html>2  3 -> From: Gerard K. Newman (gkn [ at ] Sds.Sdsc.Edu)m$ -> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 88 04:12:51 GMT@ -> Subject: Another worm (this time on SPAN/HEPNET ... VMS only) -> > -> Ladies and gentleman, ->  F -> Please excuse the posting to TCP-IP, but there are many SPAN/HEPNETB -> uses who read this list, and the community as a whole should be -> somewhat interested.2 ->E -> Someone has loosed a worm on SPAN at this very moment. Check your  H -> accounting files and NETSERVER.LOGs in your default DECnet accounts. I -> You'll find evidence of someone creating a file (HI.COM, which I am inEH -> the process of fetching from the deleted blocks of one of them) which( -> propagates itself around the network. ->D -> It has hit all of the VMS machines here at SDSC today, and simplyJ -> appears to crawl around and send mail to 20597::PHISOLIDE (node 20.117,9 -> for which I do not have a name in my DECnet database).< ->. -> An adequate defense against the problem is: ->: -> (from the SYSTEM or other suitably privileged account): -> .1 ->         $ Set Default your-default-decnet-area3 ->         $ Create HI.COM ->         $ Stop/ID=0
 ->         ^Z0W ->         $ Set File/Owner=[1,4]/Protection=(S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RE,W:RE)/Version=1 HI.COM  ->D -> This information should receive the widest possible distribution. -> -> [...]  J It continues on, provding a listing of the HI.COM script used to propogateE the worm.  Basically, it looks like the worm exploited poorly secured"	 machines.C  E Here we are nearly 15 years later--still in the same damn leaky boat.H   -brian.E -- iF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----5                    Do not fold, mutilate, or spindle.S   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:54:01 GMTn4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>! Subject: Re: DECnet WAN question.q0 Message-ID: <3E37F7C8.E688F694@blueyonder.co.uk>   Brian 'Jarai' Chase wrote:  rJ > And since we're still in the recent aftermath of the SQL Slammer worm, IJ > found the warning message about the HEPnet/SPAN worm of December 1988 toD > be interesting and relevant in a "historical context" sort of way.H > I remember reading about this before, but I didn't realize it was on aL > DECnet network.  The worm that everyone seems to remember is Morris', alsoH > from late 1988, that was unleashed on the Internet; I was surprised to; > find out about this one hitting such a short while later.e >   ;B hmm, maybe the worm you describe is a  precursor to the WANK worm,  . http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1989-04.html  G which certainly did require a non-secured system to get in, but back iniF those days there were quite a few systems out there that still had theK V4 style default passwords for accounts like USER and USERP etc. Alledgedly/I initiated by environmentalits attempting to disrubt NASA launch schedule.     K The "vaccine" cure certainly did kill it off fast once distributed, though dO it seems these days it is a hot topic whether you are allowed to kill a remote >- process that is attacking your system. sigh. 3   -- M tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk I  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:34:09 -0500=+ From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>9
 Subject: ds25i- Message-ID: <3E380281.20008@ceris.purdue.edu>s   Hello,  E Is anyone running ds25's and could you provide me your comments aboutm> it service. I have some ds20e's now and thinking about a ds25.   Thanks,3 Chuckt   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2003 03:37 CDTF' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)>, Subject: Re: EV7 / EV8 intellectual property- Message-ID: <29JAN200303373999@gerg.tamu.edu>C  ' "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes... 2 }http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/28947.html } F }The EV7 runs at 1GHz and 1.15GHz and only includes one core per chip.B }It was designed by the old Digital Alpha chip team in Shrewsbury,F }Massachusetts, which will eventually be moved over to Intel. The chipG }maker last year bought the Alpha team and its intellectual property asNB }part of the Alpha sunsetting that Compaq announced prior to being }acquired by HP last spring. }  } 1 }So, what does HP own if this article is correct?t  D The article is not correct. Intel didn't buy the Alpha "intellectualD property" - they bought a non-exclusive license to all of it. So, inC essence, they bought the right to use all the Alpha related patentseG and all other information about it, but HP actually owns it and is freelI to use it themselves and to license it to anyone else that they feel like28 licensing it to (at the possible risk of anoying Intel).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:26:20 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u, Subject: Re: EV7 / EV8 intellectual propertyI Message-ID: <gwRZ9.219068$pDv.93130@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>O  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:29JAN200303373999@gerg.tamu.edu... ) > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes...O4 > }http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/28947.html > }FB > }The EV7 runs at 1GHz and 1.15GHz and only includes one core per chip./D > }It was designed by the old Digital Alpha chip team in Shrewsbury,C > }Massachusetts, which will eventually be moved over to Intel. Thef chipF > }maker last year bought the Alpha team and its intellectual property asD > }part of the Alpha sunsetting that Compaq announced prior to being > }acquired by HP last spring. > }> > }>3 > }So, what does HP own if this article is correct?F >>F > The article is not correct. Intel didn't buy the Alpha "intellectualF > property" - they bought a non-exclusive license to all of it. So, inE > essence, they bought the right to use all the Alpha related patentstD > and all other information about it, but HP actually owns it and is freeF > to use it themselves and to license it to anyone else that they feel like: > licensing it to (at the possible risk of anoying Intel).    C That's what I thought. So I suppose HP could tell Intel to choke on2+ Itanic II and partner with AMD/IBM instead.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:32:26 -0500O& From: "Daniel Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>, Subject: RE: EV7 / EV8 intellectual property: Message-ID: <BCEGLBGJDODLELBJIADKKEILCEAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----* > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]+ > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:26 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma. > Subject: Re: EV7 / EV8 intellectual property >  >  > 6 > "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message) > news:29JAN200303373999@gerg.tamu.edu...O+ > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes...F6 > > }http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/28947.html > > } D > > }The EV7 runs at 1GHz and 1.15GHz and only includes one core per > chip.rF > > }It was designed by the old Digital Alpha chip team in Shrewsbury,E > > }Massachusetts, which will eventually be moved over to Intel. The  > chipH > > }maker last year bought the Alpha team and its intellectual property > asF > > }part of the Alpha sunsetting that Compaq announced prior to being  > > }acquired by HP last spring. > > }< > > } 5 > > }So, what does HP own if this article is correct?3 > >tH > > The article is not correct. Intel didn't buy the Alpha "intellectualH > > property" - they bought a non-exclusive license to all of it. So, inG > > essence, they bought the right to use all the Alpha related patents>F > > and all other information about it, but HP actually owns it and is > freeH > > to use it themselves and to license it to anyone else that they feel > like< > > licensing it to (at the possible risk of anoying Intel). >  > E > That's what I thought. So I suppose HP could tell Intel to choke ona- > Itanic II and partner with AMD/IBM instead.  > %   Winged pig over Battersea - RepriseF     Dan>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:11:43 -08003$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>, Subject: RE: EV7 / EV8 intellectual property0 Message-ID: <01C2C77E.E22864E0@sulfer.icius.com>  5 >"Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message>( >news:29JAN200303373999@gerg.tamu.edu...* >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes...5 >> }http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/28947.htmlI >> }C >> }The EV7 runs at 1GHz and 1.15GHz and only includes one core perE >chip.E >> }It was designed by the old Digital Alpha chip team in Shrewsbury,bD >> }Massachusetts, which will eventually be moved over to Intel. The >chip G >> }maker last year bought the Alpha team and its intellectual property> >as E >> }part of the Alpha sunsetting that Compaq announced prior to beingq >> }acquired by HP last spring.u >> } >> }4 >> }So, what does HP own if this article is correct? >>G >> The article is not correct. Intel didn't buy the Alpha "intellectualUG >> property" - they bought a non-exclusive license to all of it. So, inTF >> essence, they bought the right to use all the Alpha related patentsE >> and all other information about it, but HP actually owns it and isD >free;G >> to use it themselves and to license it to anyone else that they feel2 >likeg; >> licensing it to (at the possible risk of anoying Intel).O >LD >That's what I thought. So I suppose HP could tell Intel to choke on, >Itanic II and partner with AMD/IBM instead.  C Actually I think there might be an even more enjoyable (and just as&F unlikely) option. Wouldn't HP have inherited DEC's right to make IntelH produce Alphas for them? I don't know the details of that ruling, but ifF it wasn't restricted to a single generation HP could really make IntelC mad. Team up with IBM to finish the EV8 design, then force Intel totG produce chips that left their beloved Itanic in the dust... Sorry, I'llt get back to reality now.   Shanee   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:11:01 +01002$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question* Message-ID: <00A1AB4A.3E921C1C.3@decus.de>  B "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote:   > [...]h >eJ > There are two ports on the board, a DVI port and an analog port.  In theN > first release on OpenVMS, both ports will display the identical output (i.e. > you can use either)t  F Which would be adequate for a lot of "normal" workstation applications (software development e.g.) ...1  8 > - this was a change from when the guide was originallyK > written - I found the requirement to use the digital port with the dongleF) > for standard output to be unacceptable.3   Agreed.m   > [...]t >FG > In a subsequent release, we also plan on supporting "dual head" mode,iM > allowing each of the ports to act as seperate displays - that is, they willNJ > optionally show up as GHA0 and GHA1 (screen 0 and screen 1).  BUT we areM > concentrating on multi-card multi-head for PCI first - since A) many of ourFJ > multi-display customers use 4 or more heads, and B) the "dual head" modeB > effectively delivers 1/2 the bandwidth of the card to each head.  B I wasn't asking for "dual head" support, just for native DVI, i.e. "real" digital video, support.  D > > That would allow the direct connection of LCD flatpanel displaysH > > without double conversion -- D-A on the adapter board and A-D withinJ > > the display itself. Flatpanel displays are getting rather popular now. > >  >WL > Yes, I see them more and more of them.  Most also have at least one analog > port.   E I suppose analog inputs for flatpanel displays will be present for atEC least five years from now. Based on my personal experience (from PC&; systems -- but that should not be an issue here) there is atF significant degradation in quality if a flatpanel display is connectedC to the analog (VGA) output of a graphics controller; I guess that'st, due to clock frequency and phase variations.  G > But yes, I agree that we want to support the DVI connector directly - M > and we will be working on it.  But I can't guarantee that it will be in thetN > first release (or it may work with limitations).  It's not a "P0" item, justK > like stereo wasn't a P0 for the P350.  But a subsequent release supported2* > it, and AFAIK nobody yet has used it :-(  C Will there be a PCI variant of this adapter (for EV6x systems) too?&   Michael;   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:48:27 -0500tA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>3@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question. Message-ID: <3e3813ec$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in messagem$ news:00A1AB4A.3E921C1C.3@decus.de...D > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote: >F >&D > I wasn't asking for "dual head" support, just for native DVI, i.e.  > "real" digital video, support. >;  8 I was just noting this.  Someone would have asked later.   >EG > I suppose analog inputs for flatpanel displays will be present for at E > least five years from now. Based on my personal experience (from PC;= > systems -- but that should not be an issue here) there is aBH > significant degradation in quality if a flatpanel display is connectedE > to the analog (VGA) output of a graphics controller; I guess that's/. > due to clock frequency and phase variations. >y  H I'm not arguing that support for the DVI isn't a "good thing".  However,I traded off against other priorities, it isn't a P0 for the first release.&   >&E > Will there be a PCI variant of this adapter (for EV6x systems) too?P >;  F Yes.  ATI is more-or-less making a PCI version of the 7500 just for usG (I think because we're the only ones who asked).  The plan is for it toFD be supported anywhere a VX1 can be plugged in - which is pretty muchG all the EV6 platforms.  We are using the PCI version for debug, and areF; using XP1000's, DS10's, DS20's, ES45's, and Marvel systems.F  ? Note:  We may or may not "support" the XP1000 - or at least not G support multi-head on it - it needs new firmware that hasn't been done.v   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 09:53:24 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)8Y Subject: HSCs and rotational position (was Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYN= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0301290953.64b1691a@posting.google.com>&  X ualski <ualski@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<3E320861.4CF5D16B@earthlink.net>...O > One of the early HSC's claimed to optimize disk reads/writes depending on the&P > head & spindle position, that with SDI drives. I always wondered if the smarts: > for that optimization were in the HSC or the disk drive.  A The smarts were in the HSC -- the SDI interface just provided the. information.  = The SDI interface provided the HSC with information about thelB rotational position of the drive, in a feature known as RotationalC Position Sensing (RPS).  This allowed the HSC to optimize transferspE better.  For example, if you were trying to read an entire track, the;F HSC could fragment the request into pieces so that it could start withB whatever sector came up next, read the remainder of the track, andE continue reading the beginning of the track, ending as soon as it hadt? all the pieces it needed, thus taking less time for the overallqE transfer than if it had waited for the beginning of the track to spin38 around under the heads before starting to transfer data.  @ I'm told this SDI signal requirement complicated things when theE solid-state ESE20 disk was introduced.  The ESE20 had to fake the HSCBB out by sending rotational position information down the SDI cable,; even though there is such thing as rotational position in ahC solid-state disk, of course.  As I recall, the ESE20 acted as if it/E were rotating, with 4 sectors per track, just to keep the HSC happy. tB (An Enhanced mode later eliminated the RPS requirement, for higher I/Os per second.)F  A Today information about rotational position is hidden deep in the C drives themselves; controllers can't readily optimize across drivesNE based on rotational position (one exception to this is array products>B which use signals to keep the rotational position of a set of SCSIE drives used for a RAID array in exact synchronization).  In practice, F track read-head buffers in individual drives help make up for the lack* of exact knowledge of rotational position.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:50:11 -0000t3 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.removespam.ie>t0 Subject: Installing second ethernet card (DE500)* Message-ID: <b18pmb$6nh$1@kermit.esat.net>  
 Greetings,  E I am trying to install a second ethernet card (DE500) into a PS 433auF running OpenVMS 7.3.  , I installed the card into a vacant PCI slot.  G The SRM console sees the device as EWB0 in SHOW DEVICE and SHOW CONFIG.   K VMS sees the device as EWB0.  EWB2 (no owner) and EWB4 (DNS$ADVER) also arem% visible. SHOW DEVICE shows no errors.R  3 The DNS$ADVER log file has a DEVINACT error logged.D  H Starting DECnet line using create csma-cd station csmacd-2 communicationI port = ewb seems to work, but the line shows "initializing" indefinitely.u  ; Multinet and LAT both report DEVINACT when trying to start.f  J LEDs on both card and hub are normal (10BaseT mode set explicitly in SRM).  F All of this points to a faulty card, but a packet sniffer detects LAVCK packets coming from the card (only the sniffer and the host in question are = on the hub, and the source address identifies the new DE500).a  I Was I correct in assuming that there is no manual adjustment to SRM after G installing the card ?  The DEC manual that came with the card describes K diagnostics and drivers for NT, but doesn't mention VMS (except in the lists3 of trademarks).  Anything else I should have done ?i   Many thanksn  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------I Tom Wade    | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie (all domain mailers). G EuroKom     | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a=eirmail400;c=ieA& 30, Dale Rd | Tel:   +353 (1) 278-7878& Stillorgan  | Fax:   +353 (1) 278-78793 Co Dublin   | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimer @ Ireland     | Tip:         "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:11:55 +0000b' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyB Subject: Re: Marvel Performance0. Message-ID: <3E37D31B.5020004@nospamn.sun.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote: ( > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: >  > : >>Picture: Winged pig flying over Battersea power station. >  > ? > I am sure there is some significance in the `Battersea' part,g@ > but entropy seems to have won :( Could you fill in the missing > part?n >    Pink Floyd Video   RegardsO Andrew HarrisonF   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 10:34:21 -0800' From: rallykarro@hotmail.com (karolina)> Subject: memoryleake= Message-ID: <c8a98246.0301291034.5ad98022@posting.google.com><   Hi,   C I have a problem with a program on VMS that are leaking memory. How3E can I easy get hold of my leak. I tried lib$show_vm but realised that>D it doesn't give me anything. I read at compaq that this was obsolete as well.  C Is there any replacement for lib$show_vm or is there any thing likeT "purifier" running on OpenVMS??d   thanks for helping  
 //karolina   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:42:28 -0800e$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> Subject: RE: memoryleak 0 Message-ID: <01C2C783.3F3471C0@sulfer.icius.com>  D What language are you using? I don't know exactly where to look justC now, but I'm sure I've got some tools for tracking down leaks in C.n   Shaneb   -----Original Message-----< From: rallykarro@hotmail.com [mailto:rallykarro@hotmail.com]* Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:34 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: memoryleak      Hi,d  C I have a problem with a program on VMS that are leaking memory. How5E can I easy get hold of my leak. I tried lib$show_vm but realised that0D it doesn't give me anything. I read at compaq that this was obsolete as well.  C Is there any replacement for lib$show_vm or is there any thing likea "purifier" running on OpenVMS??0   thanks for helping  
 //karolina   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:59:53 +0100-. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk> Subject: Re: memoryleakM< Message-ID: <3e3823cc$0$83835$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>  + If you are programming in C, take a look at^  L http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jesper+naur+memory+leak+group:comp.os.vms&C hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=8hmfsc%24rt3%241%40news.inet.tele.dk&rnum=1m  5 The technique can also be adapted to other languages.n       Best regards     Jesper Naur    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:04:15 -0000e' From: "David Gray" <police@spamcop.net>n Subject: Moving CMSn1 Message-ID: <f6udneb1-rkwZqqjXTWc3A@giganews.com>n   Greetings all,  J Having problems with CMS libraries that have been moved from an Alpha 4000 server (CMS Version V3.9-2) to( an Alpha Server ES45 (CMS Version V4.1).  I Using a VMS saveset backup the files have been moved to the new platform._$ Using the command $CMS SHOW LIB/FULLK I have verified CMS is looking in the correct place for the library but thes# reference copy device is incorrect.i   For example:  + On the old server the reference copy was... 8     REFERENCE_COPY directory is DISK$DRIVE2:[XPS_REFLIB]  3 On the new server the reference copy needs to be...20     REFERENCE_COPY directory is JD4:[XPS_REFLIB]  F The CMS command $CMS MOD LIB /REFERENCE=JD4:[XPS_REFLIB] throws up the following error." CMS> mod lib /ref=JD4:[HLP_REFLIB] _Remark: New location89 %CMS-E-NOMODIFY, error modifying library JD4:[HLP_CMSLIB]vH -CMS-E-NOEXTENDEDREF, extended filenames are not available for reference copy directory  I How can I change the device for this reference copy lib without resortingI to...I  '     $ Define/sys DISK$DRIVE2:      JD4:    ?   L $CMS VERIFY obviously throws up lots of errors regarding the reference_copy.  = Also tried modding the lib using the /extended_file qualifierN# CMS> mod lib /extended_filenames ""N9 %CMS-E-NOMODIFY, error modifying library JD4:[HLP_CMSLIB]E7 -CMS-E-NOEXTENDED, extended filenames are not available-   Thanks in advance,	     Dave.3   OpenVMS  is V7.3-1    " Your CMS library list consists of:   JD4:[HLP_CMSLIB]     and contains           868 elements           0 groups           1 classn           0 reservations#           0 concurrent replacementse           0 reviews pendingT  8     REFERENCE_COPY directory is DISK$DRIVE2:[HLP_REFLIB]  4     Library attributes are:  /Revision_time=Original(                              /Concurrent$                              /Nokeep2                              /Noextended_filenames0                              /Long_variant_names   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 09:31:04 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young).J Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marvel3 Message-ID: <fSiIgis3U5EB@eisner.encompasserve.org>]  X In article <3E37E0D8.2060007@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:B > Incedentally you really have to laugh over the other "benchmark"8 > numbers used to justify the Marvel performance claims. > 	 > STREAMSa > 9 > 16 CPU's do almost exactly 16 x 1 CPU streams perf. Nota6 > suprising when you realise that Alpha benchmark used: > OpenMP and the NUMA omp directive which makes all memory" > access local rather than remote. > < > Rather different from other results from Sun and IBM which9 > allow the VM to try to optimise local memory access andE< > which results in a ratio of local and remote memory access8 > rather than all remote. With all local for example the2 > maximum memory bandwidth of a F15K is ~172 GB/s. >   4 	172 GB/s is about half the EV7 numbers for 64 CPUs.  1 	Besides, with good scheduling you end up back inO: 	the same RAD (mostly).  There are many applications where2 	local memory access is the norm.  Read-only pages! 	replicated in local RADs, etc.  >   > : > So hardly an apples with apples comparison but then what > were you expecting.- >   3 	No matter how you splice it the UE15K (what is thei3 	"F" for?) is last generation design.  Clearly withS9 	Opteron and on-chip switches coming to Itanium, the daysa# 	of a backplane are quickly fading.0   > I/Ol > @ > I/O benchmark, no indication on what the benchmark was, forgot; > to include Sun which has actually published numbers using 5 > Oracle that wouldn't make the slide look too great.t >   5 	Come on, come back with a better criticism.  Much asu/ 	people debate you, you often have good points.i 	Highlight them.  ; > And the rest is just the usual SPECint and SPECfp malarkyp > so beloved by Digital.  9 	Sun still occasionally trots out a SpecFp/SpecInt, fewer D 	and fewer but that indicates just how weak an UltraSparc CPU it is./ 	After all, Fp/Int is about CPU metrics, right?h  A 	Sun is retreating to higher ground, lost the workstation market.t  C 	Niche left is high IO heavy lifting and it does pretty well there,O 	almost as good as Power4.  9 	Hey, I see Andrew Orlowski found the long lost Jalapeno:   1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/29076.htmla  N UltraSPARC IIIi was revealed to the world here many moons ago, or June 2001 to be precise.   N The plan was to include the cost-conscious design in 2-way and 4-way servers aM year ago. The delay was blamed on the late arrival of a new JBUS interface onjO the scene. Since then, punters have got into the habit of buying Xeon boxes andr# installing Linux on them, instead. ,  M Thanks to a special mail-in program for lost processors, you can see Jalapenoi here.   @ Now all Sun needs to do is reheat it, and put it in a computer.    ---d  B 	Congratulations I suppose.  However, the passengers and crew have, 	long since set sail on the good ship Linux.   				Robs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:21:08 +0000n' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancytY Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marvel and Alpha Reta . Message-ID: <3E37D544.9050303@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:rw > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<1gWW9.400777$F2h1.97261@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...  > 5 >>"Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in messaged9 >>news:80eeab56.0301200908.37846b8c@posting.google.com...e >> >>>http://www.openvms.org, >>>hF >>>Check out the articles.  I'm currently at the Partner Roundhouse inF >>>Nashua now and will return home tomorrow.  Email responses may be a >>>little slow.a >> >>; >>http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/01/20/1480031  >>D >>Sorry to say it Ken, but this isn't an 'article' - it's a HP press
 >>release. >>G >>What HP pointedly leaves out are performance specs, and the fact thateH >>today's Marvel is a much better system than the Itanic II systems that% >>will be released in 2-3 years time.  >  >   > you want a story, try here ... > ; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/01/19/9517580  > 1 > you want specs, found these on the inquirer ...t > < > SPECint_2000 marks of 875 or so, that's not bad, and 1,500G > SPECfp_2000s. And some pretty sizzling reliability features including-G > auto server recovery, RAID memory, hot swapping server management LAN D > components and redundo hot swap power fans. Sheesh! What a Marvel.  A Which bits, the CPU performance numbers (SPECint and SPECfp don'tr? mean very much as you know) or the other bits most of which arel+ already available in other vendors systems.   < Announcing a high end server with just SPECint and SPECfp as9 the basis of your performance claims is so passe its whate0 Digital used to do and look where that got them.   Regardss Andrew Harrisond   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:10:32 +0000e' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancysY Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marvel and Alpha Retai. Message-ID: <3E37E0D8.2060007@nospamn.sun.com>  @ Incedentally you really have to laugh over the other "benchmark"6 numbers used to justify the Marvel performance claims.   STREAMSe  7 16 CPU's do almost exactly 16 x 1 CPU streams perf. Notp4 suprising when you realise that Alpha benchmark used8 OpenMP and the NUMA omp directive which makes all memory  access local rather than remote.  : Rather different from other results from Sun and IBM which7 allow the VM to try to optimise local memory access andb: which results in a ratio of local and remote memory access6 rather than all remote. With all local for example the0 maximum memory bandwidth of a F15K is ~172 GB/s.  8 So hardly an apples with apples comparison but then what were you expecting.    I/O   > I/O benchmark, no indication on what the benchmark was, forgot9 to include Sun which has actually published numbers using 3 Oracle that wouldn't make the slide look too great.e  9 And the rest is just the usual SPECint and SPECfp malarkyk so beloved by Digital.   Regardsd   Bob Ceculski wrote: w > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<1gWW9.400777$F2h1.97261@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...: > 5 >>"Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in messagea9 >>news:80eeab56.0301200908.37846b8c@posting.google.com...D >> >>>http://www.openvms.org  >>>lF >>>Check out the articles.  I'm currently at the Partner Roundhouse inF >>>Nashua now and will return home tomorrow.  Email responses may be a >>>little slow.n >> >>; >>http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/01/20/1480031e >>D >>Sorry to say it Ken, but this isn't an 'article' - it's a HP press
 >>release. >>G >>What HP pointedly leaves out are performance specs, and the fact thattH >>today's Marvel is a much better system than the Itanic II systems that% >>will be released in 2-3 years time.s >  >   > you want a story, try here ... > ; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/01/19/9517580s > 1 > you want specs, found these on the inquirer .... > < > SPECint_2000 marks of 875 or so, that's not bad, and 1,500G > SPECfp_2000s. And some pretty sizzling reliability features including G > auto server recovery, RAID memory, hot swapping server management LANkD > components and redundo hot swap power fans. Sheesh! What a Marvel.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:41:03 -0400-0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>5 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image questionj/ Message-ID: <3E37AFBC.D2DEE989@vl.videotron.ca>y   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:o> > Please see the "Sharable Image Cookbook" by Stephen Hoffman.A > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/swdev/ovms-shexe-cook.htmld    L On my old grey wall. the documentation of user written system services is inI the "introduction to system services" manual. This manual doesn't seem to ( exist on the VMS documentation web site.  K The Shareable images cookbook references above says it is in an appenxid oflF the System Services Manual. I looked in the VMS web site, and the only< appendixz in that manual refres to obsolete system services.  
 Questions:M 	-if the VMS 5.5-2 documentation (grey wall) still up-to-date with regards toa UWSS ?+ 	-which manual really has the doc for 7.3 ?'  G In the sharable image cookbook, there is a mention of not calling other@N shareable images from a user written system service.  I will require SYSPRV to5 call the SFF routines which are in a shareable image R  * MAIL calls me as a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, ( I call my UWSS which enables SYSPRV and B then call the SFF routine to submit a message to the SMTP server).  ! Is this going to be a big NO NO ?a   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 08:08:56 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org5 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image question/3 Message-ID: <IamEMBlV8LQW@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  b In article <3E37AFBC.D2DEE989@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:I > In the sharable image cookbook, there is a mention of not calling otherrP > shareable images from a user written system service.  I will require SYSPRV to7 > call the SFF routines which are in a shareable image t > , > MAIL calls me as a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, * > I call my UWSS which enables SYSPRV and D > then call the SFF routine to submit a message to the SMTP server). > # > Is this going to be a big NO NO ?h  A The only issue I see is how you deal with the possibility that ant@ unrelated thread of execution (thread, AST routine, exit handlerD or condition handler) gains control within your process while SYSPRV is still enabled.V   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 08:54:50 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e5 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image question>3 Message-ID: <ULd5LJPIc9vb@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  T In article <IamEMBlV8LQW@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:d > In article <3E37AFBC.D2DEE989@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:J >> In the sharable image cookbook, there is a mention of not calling otherQ >> shareable images from a user written system service.  I will require SYSPRV toi8 >> call the SFF routines which are in a shareable image  >> a- >> MAIL calls me as a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL,  + >> I call my UWSS which enables SYSPRV and tE >> then call the SFF routine to submit a message to the SMTP server).> >> m$ >> Is this going to be a big NO NO ? > C > The only issue I see is how you deal with the possibility that an>B > unrelated thread of execution (thread, AST routine, exit handlerF > or condition handler) gains control within your process while SYSPRV > is still enabled.>  B DECthreads on Alpha solves that issue automagically, so the sourceB code for the Persona Services called by DECthreads might be a good example.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 03:48:24 -0800+ From: steve.spires@torex.com (Steve Spires)y& Subject: Removing UCX from VMS system.= Message-ID: <57136ccc.0301290348.141d6c62@posting.google.com>.   Hi chaps and chapesses,~  E I want [need?!?] to remove UCX from an existing system. It appears to-C be causing some conflict with TCPware, even though I can't see thatrE it's actually starting. We  have some other networking related issues F which I'm finding it difficult to resolve while this is the situation.   So, the config at the moment;   $ $ pipe show sys | sear sys$input tcpF 00000426 TCPware_NETCP   LEF      9   289835   0 00:00:22.50       257    219F 00000427 TCPware_DNS     HIB      7     5470   0 00:00:07.57       290    179F 00000428 TCPware_FTP     LEF      6       59   0 00:00:00.23       289    147F 00000429 TCPware_NTPD    LEF      8     3430   0 00:00:00.94       148    166F 0000042B TCPware_SNMPD   LEF      7    14084   0 00:00:00.01       125    147 $ prod show prod< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATEr< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3     Full LP     Installeda9 DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3             Platform    Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21              Full LP     Installede9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3                 Oper System Installedh< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------  
 5 items founds   $ netcu show version5 TCPware(R) V5.6-2 Copyright (c) 2002 Process Softwarer  ; OpenVMS version V7.3     booted on 24-JAN-2003 13:29:38.00,l.         running on a AlphaServer DS20 500 MHz.  + MAS number: <none entered in configuration>D      9 To give an example of the sort of problems we're getting;:     $ show log *ftp*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE).   (LNM$JOB_818BA1C0)   (CFG_OSD_0100)   (CFG_OSC_0000)   (LNM$GROUP_000001)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  )   "DECW_FTP_UID" = "TCPWARE:DECW_FTP.UID"m#   "OPENVMS$FTP" = "TCPWARE:FTP.EXE" &   "OPENVMS$FTPDIR" = "TCPWARE:FTP.EXE"   "TCPWARE_FTPD_MBX" = "MBA57:"-   (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES) $r   $ set watch file/class=all $ ftp> %XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:   [verbosity snippage...]   D %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: UCX$FTP.EXE;0, Status: 00000000   [verbosity snippage...]s  D %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: UCX$FTP.EXE;0, Status: 00000001   [verbosity snippage...]r  B %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: UCX$ACCESS_SHR.EXE;0, Status: 00000001   [verbosity snippage...]t  D %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: FTPINIT.INI;0, Status: 00000000   [verbosity snippage...]    FTP> open smsuk1   %XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:   [verbosity snippage...]   E %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: UCX$HOST.DAT;0, Status: 00000000l   [verbosity snippage...]l  E %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: UCX$HOST.DAT;0, Status: 00000000h1 %XQP, Thread #0, Access  (0,0,0) Status: 00000910     F %FTP-E-HSTINF, Failed to get host information for ANTAXP from database   [verbosity snippage...]u  D %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: UCX$MSG.EXE;0, Status: 00000000   -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  	 FTP> exitk   [verbosity snippage...]    So if I do;f   $ ftp :== $TCPWARE:FTP.EXE $ ftp- %XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:   [verbosity snippage...]   @ %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: FTP.EXE;0, Status: 00000000   [verbosity snippage...]g  @ %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: FTP.EXE;0, Status: 00000001   [verbosity snippage...]r   FTP> open smsuk1 %XQP, Thread #0, FIB contents:   [verbosity snippage...]   ? %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: HOSTS.;0, Status: 00000001/      # ...and everything in FTP now works.   > So I think to myself 'Let's remove UCX/TCPIP Services from the system';       $ prod remove ucxh  ( The following product has been selected::     DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21                 Layered Product   Do you want to continue? [YES]  C %PCSI-W-OPTREF, product DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21 is referenced by DECn AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3e> -PCSI-W-OPTRF1, this software dependency is expressed within a
 configurationH; -PCSI-W-OPTRF2,   option that is currently selected for thec referencing productbE -PCSI-W-OPTRF3, if you want to reconfigure the referencing product ori reviewB -PCSI-W-OPTRF4,   its configuration requirements, answer NO to the	 followingeB -PCSI-W-OPTRF5,   question to terminate this operation; if you are
 sure you wantrF -PCSI-W-OPTRF6,   to remove the referenced product, then answer YES to proceed ! Do you want to continue? [YES] nor   Portion done: 0%/ %PCSI-E-S_OPCAN, operation cancelled by requestuC %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable errord	 condition- $-     The final question then!  ? Given the contents of this message, is it just referring to the.F services [eg TP as shown above] or the whole product? I am not worriedA about the services - we should be using the TCPware ones - but is-A there any other 'gotcha' I should be aware of if I DO the productJ remove.,   Thanks all,    Steve Spires Technical Consultant Torex Health   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:16:28 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: Removing UCX from VMS system./ Message-ID: <3E37C61A.CDABCC09@vl.videotron.ca>o   Steve Spires wrote:  > $ ftpTF > %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: UCX$FTP.EXE;0, Status: 00000000  I If you have the VERB utility, you should use it to look at what FTP does. 4 Probable that FTP still points to the old UCX stuff.  H As I recall, PCSI has a "product remove" command procedure which you canM extract/look at to see what it would do if you were to do the product Remove.e  L note that after removal of UCX, I would re-instal the TCPWare software. SomeN files are common to both stacks and will go away when you remove UCX. (useless& stubs like UCX$UCP.EXE comes to mind).  M Also, re-installing TCPWARE after removing UCX would probably fix the problem N in your DCLTABLES with the new commands hopefully pointing to the new software instead of the old.b   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 06:35:44 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: Re: Removing UCX from VMS system.< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0301290635.f3bf7c6@posting.google.com>  p steve.spires@torex.com (Steve Spires) wrote in message news:<57136ccc.0301290348.141d6c62@posting.google.com>... > Hi chaps and chapesses,F > G > I want [need?!?] to remove UCX from an existing system. It appears to4E > be causing some conflict with TCPware, even though I can't see thatiG > it's actually starting. We  have some other networking related issues H > which I'm finding it difficult to resolve while this is the situation. > ; > To give an example of the sort of problems we're getting;. >  > $ set watch file/class=all > $ ftp3 > FTP> open smsuk1 >H > %FTP-E-HSTINF, Failed to get host information for ANTAXP from databaseF > %XQP, Thread #0, Directory scan for: UCX$MSG.EXE;0, Status: 00000000 >  > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found >  > FTP> exit  > 
 > So if I do;  >  > $ ftp :== $TCPWARE:FTP.EXE > $ ftpa > FTP> open smsuk1% > ...and everything in FTP now works.  > @ > So I think to myself 'Let's remove UCX/TCPIP Services from the
 > system'; >  > Steve Spires > Technical Consultant > Torex Health  = no, you don't need to uninstall, your problem is you have not : removed the comments in sys$manager:sylogin.com that allow1 TCPWARE:TCPWARE_COMMANDS.COM to run on logins ... E we run TCPware with UCX disabled on our systems and it works fine ...oE if you do a $ SHOW SYMBOL FTP and you don't see FTP == "$TCPWARE:FTP"t7 upon login, you haven't removed the comment in sylogin!    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:25:36 GMTn3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)o* Subject: Re: Removing UCX from VMS system.. Message-ID: <QnSZ9.29$zB1.26@news.cpqcorp.net>  k In article <57136ccc.0301290348.141d6c62@posting.google.com>, steve.spires@torex.com (Steve Spires) writes:t >Hi chaps and chapesses, >f< >I want [need?!?] to remove UCX from an existing system. ... .. >$ prod show prodi= >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------B6 >PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATE= >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------l: >DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3     Full LP     Installed: >DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Installed: >DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3             Platform    Installed: >DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21              Full LP     Installed: >DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3                 Oper System Installed= >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------w .. >  >$ prod remove ucx >t) >The following product has been selected:s; >    DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21                 Layered Product. >  >Do you want to continue? [YES]o > D >%PCSI-W-OPTREF, product DEC AXPVMS UCX V4.2-21 is referenced by DEC >AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3? >-PCSI-W-OPTRF1, this software dependency is expressed within ar >configuration< >-PCSI-W-OPTRF2,   option that is currently selected for the >referencing productF >-PCSI-W-OPTRF3, if you want to reconfigure the referencing product or >reviewpC >-PCSI-W-OPTRF4,   its configuration requirements, answer NO to the 
 >followingC >-PCSI-W-OPTRF5,   question to terminate this operation; if you areG >sure you wantG >-PCSI-W-OPTRF6,   to remove the referenced product, then answer YES toI >proceed" >Do you want to continue? [YES] no ..  < At this point, you should have answered "YES" (the default).  E You get this message because UCX V4.2-21 was installed as part of theaF OpenVMS platform, along with the OpenVMS Operating System.  So not the3 PCSI database show that the platform refrences UCX.o  @ To see this, set your screen to 132 cols and execute the command  #     $ PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT * / FULLn  D This will add "MAINTENANCE" (patches) and "REFERENCED BY" columns to? the display.  In the "REFRENCED BY" column for UCX you will sees       DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3o  E BTW, UCX versions of TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS are way out of date.rF Consider the more recent versions, which call themselves TCPIP rather  than UCX  G One final thing.  Check your SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.  If you have code theret) to start UCX, you will need to remove it.n   --  I       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Pompano Beach  FL USAoH        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:12:23 -0400r0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: script to test disk SCSI / Message-ID: <3E378CE1.F655838C@vl.videotron.ca>F   Nic Clews wrote:E > Remember you have ANAL/DISK/READ which will do a read pass over thet > files of the disk.  A ANA/MEDIA is capable of far more extensive tests of a disk drive.   < ANA/DISK essentially checks file integrity at the VMS level.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:54:06 +0000n( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>% Subject: Re: script to test disk SCSId) Message-ID: <3E37889E.A6BDB06B@127.0.0.1>C   "serge.zangheri" wrote:i > E > Thanx for your reply, I just forgot to say I'm running VMS 5.5-2H4.t >  > Joseph Huber a crit : > t > > In article <3E369CE8.CAFFFF12@grenoble.sema.slb.com>, "serge.zangheri" <szangheri@grenoble.sema.slb.com> writes:	 > > > Hi, : > > > I'm looking for a script to test new installed disk.3 > > > does someone ever wrote this kind of script ?y% > > > init/write/read/show dev ......m > >b1 > > Before INIT: mcr sys$etc:rzdisk -t full ddcu:  > >f( > > After INIT and MOUNT:   ANALYZE/DISK  C Remember you have ANAL/DISK/READ which will do a read pass over ther files of the disk.  ' To writing, do a few BACKUP/IMAGE ddcu:a< DDCU:[000000]testname.BCK/save/verify and then an ANAL/READ.  F No special tools, and it'll work on Itanium release of OpenVMS as well3 as much earlier versions with no added ingredients!C   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesr nclews at csc dot comv   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:14:58 +0000 (UTC) . From: John Forkosh <john@SeeSigForAddress.com>< Subject: Re: Trouble with ext. CD-ROM on VAXstation 4000/VLC, Message-ID: <b18k4i$50q$1@reader1.panix.com>  % Steve Young <sdyoung@well.com> wrote:s
 :   Hello,7 :   I have obtained a copy of the VAX 7.3 hobbyist kit,t  : Off topic, but are the new vax hobbyist cd's shipping now?/ How long will it take to arrive after ordering?- Thanks,- -- -> John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:23:38 -0500s From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>o" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?8 Message-ID: <3s6g3vk37t6baapbvfjmeu85fcsfd77jpj@4ax.com>  F if someone contracts me or sub-contracts or signs an agreement with me$ for this, why would it NOT be legal?D and if I am contracted, then contractors and others would be covered# by the license agreement they have.a  1 And one more thing, while I'm on the soap box....   % I *HAVE* the source listings!!!!!!!!!   @ Remember?? I have them! So, the only difference being the FORMAT% in which the media that carries them.t  = I have microfiche, so I am already constrained by the licensei agreements for the source code.n  C you people are pathetically obtuse on this. there are always simplep solutions to everything.  E I just want to BORROW a set to STUDY for a while, I dont want to keepqB it, don't want to copy it, don't want to own it (well, it would be nice, but hey).r  / I have the fiche... you want proof? no problem!g   Dan.F On 28 Jan 2003 13:52:03 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:9 >What on worth would make you think that would be legal ?r   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2003 08:54:26 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e4 Subject: RE: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.3 Message-ID: <$VIU+Lx$JN9Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <01C2C6BF.6DAD6AD0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:hG > OK, I know what I want for my birthday. I used to make a living, sortlC > of, writing games in z80 assembler. I didn't know they were still,# > available. What's the screen res?n >   H    There's a Z80 in my kid's new Gameboy Advanced.  The earlier GameboysE    had only Z80, the advanced has a faster processor and uses the Z80     only to play the old games.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:30:35 -0500e! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>h4 Subject: Re: VMS, JAL and Microchip microcontrolers.' Message-ID: <3E3801AB.81252E6A@vcu.edu>i    well i'll be darned..... totally* darned...............................!!!!!   any idea what mhz???   Bob Koehler wrote: > Y > In article <01C2C6BF.6DAD6AD0@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes:0I > > OK, I know what I want for my birthday. I used to make a living, sortIE > > of, writing games in z80 assembler. I didn't know they were stillt% > > available. What's the screen res?  > >s > J >    There's a Z80 in my kid's new Gameboy Advanced.  The earlier GameboysG >    had only Z80, the advanced has a faster processor and uses the Z80v  >    only to play the old games.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.058 ************************% visible. SHOW DEVICE shows no errors.R  3 The DNS$ADVER log file has a DEVINACT error logged.D  H Starting DECnet line using create csma-cd station csmacd-2 communicationI port = ewb seems to work, but the line shows "initializing" indefinitely.u  ; Multinet and LAT both report ܪ    ܪ    ܪ    ܪ    ܪ    ܪ    ܪ    ܪ    ܪ    	ܪ    
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