0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 31 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 61      Contents:? Re: ?= OSX <> VMS NFS: %TCPIP-E-NFS_BFSCAL   MOUNT_POINT failed = Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX = Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX = Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX = Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX  Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1?) Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?)  Re: DE500 Strangeness  Re: DE500 Strangeness  Re: DEClaser 5100 update Re: DEClaser 5100 update Re: dlsym problem. Re: dlsym problem.- Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question  Re: ftp does not respond Re: ftp does not respond7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 0 Re: HP has a chance to buy some software (rumor) Information on VMS web servers+ Re: Installing second ethernet card (DE500) + Re: Installing second ethernet card (DE500) + Re: Installing second ethernet card (DE500)  RE: memoryleak Re: memoryleak Re: memoryleak Re: memoryleak Re: memoryleak (heap analyzer)& Re: My e-mail sucks and I owe you beer OpenRDA ODBC Driver for OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS DCOM question ... / Optical hypertransport for Hammer a possibility : Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performance( PHP-MySQL-CSWS  (was Touchdown OpenVMS!), Re: PHP-MySQL-CSWS  (was Touchdown OpenVMS!), Re: Privileges in a shareable image question, Re: Privileges in a shareable image question, Re: Privileges in a shareable image question RE: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month? 4 Re: VAX linker /$objdef documentation inconsistency.  Re: VAXstation 4000 cd-rom bezel Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available RE: VMS @25 CD now available
 Re: VMS Jokes  Re: VMS source listings ?  Re: VMS source listings ?  Re: VMS source listings ? J What and where is the bridge on page 5? (was Re: VMS @25 CD now available)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 13:19:07 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) H Subject: Re: ?= OSX <> VMS NFS: %TCPIP-E-NFS_BFSCAL   MOUNT_POINT failed3 Message-ID: <0lpQani+k4dk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <aus-9B4493.15093230012003@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>, "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes: G > The following error occurs when I try to connect to a Open VMS 7.2-1  B > (Tcpip 5.1) from OSX 10.2.3 with GO TO Server "nfs:// Alpha IP": > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  30-JAN-2003 12:34:19.40  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user TCPIP$NFS on V99= > %TCPIP-E-NFS_BFSCAL, operation MOUNT_POINT failed on file /  >  > The error on OSX is -5000. >  > What's missing in my set up?? > How does OSX know that the directory to mount is OVMS format? H > Do I need to set up more than the IP and host name (viro270g3) in OSX?  F    OS X likes to assume a later NFS version that most VMS stacks have.H    OS X is supposed to retry with th e earlier version, but it does not.E    You can specify the earlier version using a flag to the UNIX mount F    command from the terminal application.  I used to just do this withF    a script in my login apps.  OS X will claim not to know, but if youF    write a shell script an set the terminal app as the "open with", it#    will run and can be a login app.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:18:04 -0500 * From: "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM>F Subject: Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX* Message-ID: <b1bqcr$bkn$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  L Sorry about that VAX folks we'll update ASAP and thanks Norm for sending the( message to the OpenVMS Security mailbox.H After the SQL worm our newsserver has been acting a bit odd so following@ particular discussions in comp.os.vms is a bit of and adventure.= It'll be interesting to see if this post makes it out or not.  - Leo  --
 Leo Demers  OpenVMS Security Product Manager Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM) <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message 9 news:OF831746D8.2B55810F-ON85256CBD.006AD0EA@metso.com...  > K > I reported this in several venues.  It is also that way in the readme.txt  > and on theL > download page.  When listing the requirements, it is unclear about OpenVMS > VAX V7.2.  > L > From:  "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> on 01/29/2003 >        12:53 PM  > I > Please respond to "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  >  > To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > cc:  > K > Subject:    Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX  >  > I > >        GnuPG for VAX and Alpha V1.2 is up and available for your use.  > K > The registration page does not allow me to specify the correct version of 7 > VMS I use.  The choices with which I'm presented are:  >  > OpenVMS V7.3-1 > OpenVMS V7.3 > OpenVMS V7.2-2 > OpenVMS V7.2-1 > Don't Know > K > I'm running OpenVMS V7.2.  There is no V7.2-1, 7.2-2, or 7.3-1 for VAXes. K > If this software is, as you say, "for OpenVMS VAX and Alpha", at the very B > least you could allow us VAX users to be able to tell the truth. > --K > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 7 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. B > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 : >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:50:01 -0500 * From: "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM>F Subject: Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX* Message-ID: <b1bs8m$cnt$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  I O.k. I'm not seeing all of the replies here but let me answer a couple of ) the replies to this string that I can see J in google but not on my "SQL slammed" newsserver. (Obvious suggestion of a- platform to my news server provider omitted.)    1.)  Stream <LF> issueL  We didn't have the time to hunt that puppy down but I wanted to get it out.1 The sources are out there if someone has the time I   too look into it we'll gratefully incorporate and fix.  Eventually this D will get fixed but at the moment with code freeze for the field testE   of the next VMS release and this little issue of getting running on - Itanimum has engineering cycles at a premium.     2.) VAX registration of 7.2L    Thanks for reporting it it'll be fixed soon. Mail to the OpenVMS Security1 mailbox works the best for these sorts of issues.   /  3.) Why registration crap and the secret URLs? L      The "older but not the really old" export rules for distributing cryptoD code on the web required us to get a valid email address for code weJ modified. Technically this is a port of Opensource and we make the sourcesL available so we shouldn't technically need to but It's not that I'm paranoidJ it's just that I think that there is someone out there who is going to getL me.   (Besides why else do I have trouble reading this string in comp.os.vmsI was that a black helicopter hovering outside the building? Who does Brian  really work for?)   J   But yes just Larry's reply is closer to the mark we like to keep tabs soG we can a.) justify this type of work to management  and b) let you know E  ,if you so choose,  that a new version or fix for this is out there.     - Leo   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 16:36:24 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) F Subject: Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX3 Message-ID: <50RVJ6pMyYDq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <b1bs8m$cnt$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> writes: K > O.k. I'm not seeing all of the replies here but let me answer a couple of + > the replies to this string that I can see 3 > in google but not on my "SQL slammed" newsserver.   H That makes me ask again if this will be released on CDROM in the future.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:56:04 -0500 * From: "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM>F Subject: Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX* Message-ID: <b1calu$jud$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  J > That makes me ask again if this will be released on CDROM in the future.  H  Yes Larry it will ship on the Open Source Tools CD with your 7.3-2 kit.   - Leo    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:31:02 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> ' Subject: Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? " Message-ID: <3e39998c@news.si.com>  I >- The VAX systems are running, among other things, golden oldies such as  RDB K >V4.2, Datatrieve V3.2, CDD V4.3, as well as the long obsolete ISIS message J >bus.  This in itself is not a supported configuration, thus my reluctance to >upgrade OpenVMS.   H If you've got the time, make a backup of the VAXcluster system disk (I'mI assuming a homogeneous cluster) and upgrade VMS.  I'd bet a paycheck that E the old products would continue to work.  If not, you can always just 5 restore the backup and you're back to where you were.  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 17:15:03 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) ' Subject: Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? - Message-ID: <zcUc12NUi8Ek@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   > >"Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:N >>- The VAX systems are running, among other things, golden oldies such as RDBL >>V4.2, Datatrieve V3.2, CDD V4.3, as well as the long obsolete ISIS messageN >>bus.  This in itself is not a supported configuration, thus my reluctance to >>upgrade OpenVMS. > J > If you've got the time, make a backup of the VAXcluster system disk (I'mK > assuming a homogeneous cluster) and upgrade VMS.  I'd bet a paycheck that G > the old products would continue to work.  If not, you can always just 7 > restore the backup and you're back to where you were.   A Yes!  An upgrade from OpenVMS VAX V6.* to OpenVMS VAX V7.0 is not L considered a major upgrade in the traditional sense.  The OpenVMS VAX kernelJ did not undergo the changes normally associated with a Vn to Vn+1 version H bump.  That is no guarantee that everything will work correctly; this isC just to point out that the upgrade may have a higher probability of ) working that otherwise might be expected.   E As Brian points out, please make a useable backup of your system disk  before upgrading.    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:20:03 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> ' Subject: Re: Clustered V6.2 and V7.3-1? 2 Message-ID: <BA5F1D45.35C9%JCam90502@jcameron.com>   Hello Jeff,    Another Jeff here.  L As you know it is not supported, yet it might work, but could be potentiallyL very dangerous. Your biggest issue is MSCP serving the fibre SAN storage. InA 7.3 VMS has changed it's disk caching system to deal with the SAN L environments from VIOC to XFC (Extended File Cache). YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TOJ USE XFC if you are clustered to a 6.x VAX system. Even though you can haveI different cluster members running different caching methods you must have J remedial kits installed for the lower VMS versions to allow the older VIOCI to coexist with XFC. This is where your problem lies, because there is no L remedial kit for VAX 6.x system to allow for this. This is documented in the$ VMS 7.3 Release notes at this link :  J http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73FINAL/6620/6620pro_002.html#index_x_99  I You can change the sysgen parameter on your Alpha to set the cache method K back to VIOC but I believe you still must have the remedial kits installed.   L Even if it works, I would imagine you will have problems that will result inF corruption of your data, so I would not do this if I were you. InsteadI consider having the two clusters separate on the same network, and either I using DECNET file serving, or TCP/IP NFS mounting or something similar to $ access your data across the systems.   Jeff Cameron http://www.jcameron.com/vms/J Order your own OpenVMS DCL Bumper Sticker from my web site. Just $2.50 ea. includes shipping.    L On 1/29/03 4:21 PM, in article Be_Z9.53744$7A4.6262785@twister.nyroc.rr.com,0 "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote:  H > Thanks to every who's responded so far.  It appears that I didn't give& > enough information in my first post: > 3 > - I know that the configuration is not supported. D > - The replacement systems will be ES45s, thus I need to run V7.3+.G > - I've done multiple VAX to Alpha migrations.  I'm mainly looking for $ > someone who has the version match.N > - The VAX systems are running, among other things, golden oldies such as RDBL > V4.2, Datatrieve V3.2, CDD V4.3, as well as the long obsolete ISIS messageN > bus.  This in itself is not a supported configuration, thus my reluctance to > upgrade OpenVMS. > 9 > "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> wrote in message ( > news:b19mfc01t2t@enews3.newsguy.com...L >> Why not bring in the new AlphaServer systems at V7.2-x, cluster that withM >> the VAX v6.2 systems (works fine), then when you're all happy and migrated  >> upgrade the Alphas to v7.3? > @ > This would have been my first preference if not for the ES45s. >  > -Jeff  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:33:54 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?)/ Message-ID: <3E397E21.DE56D155@vl.videotron.ca>    "Doc.Cypher" wrote: K > It isn't particularly easy to get current leased IP information out of my H > router so I just use a small Perl script that runs every 15 minutes to- > update their DNS tables with my current IP.   A I used to say the same, until I found a neat commad in my router:   - IP DHCP ENIF1 STATUS    (it is a netgear 314)   K It shows a lot of info about my lease with the ISP, including the number of $ seconds until renewall is scheduled.  M So with that, I could, if I wanted, have vms check the router only just after * a renewall to see if anything has changed.  M (But as it stands, the router is capable of automatically advising dyndns.org J of any changes to my IP address, but I have not used that ability so far).   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:42:30 GMT  From: lbohan@dbc..spamless..com  Subject: Re: DE500 Strangeness8 Message-ID: <g4vi3vot1r74n0hsv00jl80iv8rcmvl8lu@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:28:53 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  wrote:  E >Using a DE500 on an AlphaStation 200 4/233, VMS 7.3.  When I put the @ >card (it's EWB0) into fast (100mpbs) mode using either LANCP orK >SET EWB0_MODE from the SRM console, the 100mbs LED comes on (as expected), F >but the activity status LED comes on and blinks furiously, whether orF >not a cable is connected.  This has the effect of dragging the systemG >to its knees (presumably from interrupt traffic).  The card works fine  >in 10mpbs mode.  C i saw similar to something like this, w/ a DE500 in an  PC164 based C system, but only while attached to a cheap Netgear switch. (FS108). < (looked like a auto negotiate/autosense loop/deadly embrace)  ? the cure for me, was a DE600, and some number of V73-1 LAN ecos B before I finally saw reliable 100-full duplex w/ the switch I had  at hand  (home network)   6 but if you see such a thing w/o anything plugged in,  ( i'd concur w/ Nic.   Smells like hdw ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:58:05 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  Subject: Re: DE500 StrangenessB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030130205725.01b94730@raptor.psccos.com>  7 At 12:42 PM 1/30/2003, lbohan@dbc..spamless..com wrote: D >On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:28:53 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> >wrote:  > G > >Using a DE500 on an AlphaStation 200 4/233, VMS 7.3.  When I put the B > >card (it's EWB0) into fast (100mpbs) mode using either LANCP orM > >SET EWB0_MODE from the SRM console, the 100mbs LED comes on (as expected), H > >but the activity status LED comes on and blinks furiously, whether orH > >not a cable is connected.  This has the effect of dragging the systemI > >to its knees (presumably from interrupt traffic).  The card works fine  > >in 10mpbs mode. > D >i saw similar to something like this, w/ a DE500 in an  PC164 basedD >system, but only while attached to a cheap Netgear switch. (FS108).= >(looked like a auto negotiate/autosense loop/deadly embrace)  > @ >the cure for me, was a DE600, and some number of V73-1 LAN ecosB >before I finally saw reliable 100-full duplex w/ the switch I had >at hand  (home network) > 5 >but if you see such a thing w/o anything plugged in, ) >i'd concur w/ Nic.   Smells like hdw ...     C Problem solved (I guess).  I finally got a 100mbs switch installed, 2 plugged the cable in, and voila!  It's all fine...     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:00:48 -0500 3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> ! Subject: Re: DEClaser 5100 update / Message-ID: <zkn_9.81$N5.71@news.bellsouth.net>   $ In case you need the service manual:  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2305526017       = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E36DEBD.CEA99FC7@vl.videotron.ca... B > Thanks to the person who had pointed me to www.printerworks.com. > 3 > I found the halogen heater element for USD $23.00  > F > Went to the HP web site to see if I couldn't get it directly from HP (theirK > offices aren't too far away). They parts serach page is javascript broken F > (can't do anything from it). But I did call the number they said one shoudlH > call before ordering replacement parts. As soon as I mentioned I had a digital H > printer, that was a big no go and I was refered to a a digital number. > E > Called the Digital number, they answer "HP".... However, after some J > convincing, they did do a search and found a replacemenmt fuser unit for the G > DEClaser 5100. $300+ dollars (the whole unit), or about $150 when you  bring in > your old one.  > I > BTW the internal HP model number for the DECLASER 5100 is the "Laserjet  RJ5".  > H > I called back HP, pretended I had an HP Laserjet 4M. Big mistake. They doN,t K > support the 4 and the lady said they only provide web support. I told her J > their parts database serach page is broken and I just want to know how I can J > find the part number and where I can buy it for self service. After muchI > haggling, she agreed to do a search. And came back with the part number  etc. >  > $100 canadian. > 2 > Yep, that is just for a glorified halogen light. > 1 > Looks like printerworks is getting my business.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:42:52 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: DEClaser 5100 update / Message-ID: <3E39FEC3.148C533F@vl.videotron.ca>   > By the way, there is an option to ad a disk drive to the 5100.  ; Does anyone knwo WHERE the dick drive is actually fitted ?    I Am curious as to whether i could plug in a standard scsi drive in there ? P (great place to hide data, auditors don't really think about auditing printers).   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 16:31:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: dlsym problem. 3 Message-ID: <SVtLIZXTMjaI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <96faaf36.0301300213.335ef1d4@posting.google.com>, avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin) writes:   , > I have problem with call a dlsym function.  # >     pFunc = dlsym(pHnd, "XBELL");   < The VMS implementation of dlsym calls LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL.  4 Are you sure that is the linker name of the symbol ? It has no facility prefix.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 21:16:54 -0800' From: avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin)  Subject: Re: dlsym problem. = Message-ID: <96faaf36.0301302116.112e02e4@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<SVtLIZXTMjaI@eisner.encompasserve.org>...i > In article <96faaf36.0301300213.335ef1d4@posting.google.com>, avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin) writes:  > . > > I have problem with call a dlsym function. >   % > >     pFunc = dlsym(pHnd, "XBELL");  > > > The VMS implementation of dlsym calls LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL. > 6 > Are you sure that is the linker name of the symbol ? > It has no facility prefix.  & Ok ! If I defined the logical name as . define/exec myshare sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe
 all works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:43:34 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question/ Message-ID: <3E398063.5FC60B88@vl.videotron.ca>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:K > It's on the work list for the IO EXEC group.  But it is not a P0 item for E > first ship, since the HP core logic chipset provides map registers.     N I had been under the apparantly false impression that HP's "add ons" were justI for performance. Does this mean that an HP IA64 box will be significantly N different from one built by someone else , should someone else decide to build such ?  L If Windows is built for a "generic" IA64, does this mean that it will simplyK ignore the HP additional goodies (and thus not benefit from any performance N advantage HP might offer on IA64 versus another vendor selling IA64 machines ?  L Or would there be an HP-proprietary version of Windows compiled to use thoseG features not present on machines that could be built by other vendors ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:50:19 -0500 % From: "Mark Awad" <mawad@charter.net> ! Subject: Re: ftp does not respond / Message-ID: <v3jr4foa2n7t2d@corp.supernews.com>    Thanks David for you help.  * It was the resolver.  ftp works perfectly.   Thanks again
 -Mark Awad  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E334607.CCB3C566@fsi.net...  > Michael Austin wrote:  > >  > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > >  > > > Mark Awad wrote: > > > >  > > > > Hello, > > > > L > > > > I am a little new to VMS Systems Management, but very good with UNIX boxes,  > > > > I hope someone can help. > > > > L > > > > I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with TCPIP 
 > > > > v5.1.  > > > > J > > > > Here is the problem:  I can ftp from the OpenVMS System to itself.L > > > > However, when I ftp from another system, either from a UNIX box or a Windows L > > > > client, the OpenVMS ftp service never responds back for Username andL > > > > Passoword.  The connection is active, and eventually just times out. I L > > > > tested the ftp port. It is active and listenening.  The system is on the K > > > > network, i.e. pings fine.  We can telnet to the OpenVMS, fine. just  not ftp. > > >  > > > We'll need to know:  > > >  > > > o O.S. versionC > > > o Vendor, name and version of the TCP/IP stack you're running $ > > >   Name (Vendor) Possibilities:1 > > >   - TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (Compaq/HP) $ > > >   - TCPware (Process Software)% > > >   - Multinet (Process Software)  > > >  > > > -- > > > David J. Dachtera  > > > dba DJE Systems  > > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > > . > > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:% > > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > >  > > Well David, he did say: I > > "I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with  > > TCPIP v5.1." > 4 > Sorry - didn't scroll back far enough to see that. > J > > I had  that problem too until I made sure the DNS was working properly4 > > and/or there was an entry for the host in TCPIP. > F > I'd vote for getting the resolver working right first, myself. YMMV.C > Host table tends to be a bit of a band-aid for a broken DNS, IMO.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:51:24 -0500 % From: "Mark Awad" <mawad@charter.net> ! Subject: Re: ftp does not respond / Message-ID: <v3jr4g9qujar2e@corp.supernews.com>   
 Thanks David.   ) It was the resolver.  ftp works perfectly   
 Thanks again. 	 Mark Awad   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E334607.CCB3C566@fsi.net...  > Michael Austin wrote:  > >  > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > > >  > > > Mark Awad wrote: > > > >  > > > > Hello, > > > > L > > > > I am a little new to VMS Systems Management, but very good with UNIX boxes,  > > > > I hope someone can help. > > > > L > > > > I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with TCPIP 
 > > > > v5.1.  > > > > J > > > > Here is the problem:  I can ftp from the OpenVMS System to itself.L > > > > However, when I ftp from another system, either from a UNIX box or a Windows L > > > > client, the OpenVMS ftp service never responds back for Username andL > > > > Passoword.  The connection is active, and eventually just times out. I L > > > > tested the ftp port. It is active and listenening.  The system is on the K > > > > network, i.e. pings fine.  We can telnet to the OpenVMS, fine. just  not ftp. > > >  > > > We'll need to know:  > > >  > > > o O.S. versionC > > > o Vendor, name and version of the TCP/IP stack you're running $ > > >   Name (Vendor) Possibilities:1 > > >   - TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (Compaq/HP) $ > > >   - TCPware (Process Software)% > > >   - Multinet (Process Software)  > > >  > > > -- > > > David J. Dachtera  > > > dba DJE Systems  > > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > > . > > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:% > > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > >  > > Well David, he did say: I > > "I "enabled and started" the ftp service on a OpenVMS System 7.3 with  > > TCPIP v5.1." > 4 > Sorry - didn't scroll back far enough to see that. > J > > I had  that problem too until I made sure the DNS was working properly4 > > and/or there was an entry for the host in TCPIP. > F > I'd vote for getting the resolver working right first, myself. YMMV.C > Host table tends to be a bit of a band-aid for a broken DNS, IMO.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:57:15 -0600 - From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@knology.net> @ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question/ Message-ID: <v3jpgfgjuk31c9@corp.supernews.com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:3 > "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message & > news:00A1AB4A.3E921C1C.3@decus.de... > D >>"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote: >> >>D >>I wasn't asking for "dual head" support, just for native DVI, i.e.  >>"real" digital video, support. >> >  > : > I was just noting this.  Someone would have asked later. >  > G >>I suppose analog inputs for flatpanel displays will be present for at E >>least five years from now. Based on my personal experience (from PC = >>systems -- but that should not be an issue here) there is a H >>significant degradation in quality if a flatpanel display is connectedE >>to the analog (VGA) output of a graphics controller; I guess that's . >>due to clock frequency and phase variations. >> >  > J > I'm not arguing that support for the DVI isn't a "good thing".  However,K > traded off against other priorities, it isn't a P0 for the first release.  >  > E >>Will there be a PCI variant of this adapter (for EV6x systems) too?  >> >  > H > Yes.  ATI is more-or-less making a PCI version of the 7500 just for usI > (I think because we're the only ones who asked).  The plan is for it to F > be supported anywhere a VX1 can be plugged in - which is pretty muchI > all the EV6 platforms.  We are using the PCI version for debug, and are = > using XP1000's, DS10's, DS20's, ES45's, and Marvel systems.  > A > Note:  We may or may not "support" the XP1000 - or at least not I > support multi-head on it - it needs new firmware that hasn't been done.  >  >  >   E I would like to submit a begging/pleading request for support of the  E XP1000.  I don't necessarily need dual-head support, but it would be   great to upgrade the graphics.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:11:36 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>9 Subject: Re: HP has a chance to buy some software (rumor) / Message-ID: <3E3978E7.48F40695@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote: G > HP can buy back the software Digital sold to BEA and control some key E > software for VMS once again.  Maybe they'll buy Rdb from Oracle too  > ;-)     L Do you seriously think that HP would genetically be able to tell Wall StreetH that it is spending X hundred million bucks to buys a software form thatG produces software for a product that is on a dead platform, receuves no K marketing etc ? 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BTW: Does anyone know of aD ->reasonable method of determining which device has the AA-00-04 MACE ->address (and so should be the only device for which the LAT link is  ->created without /NODECNET)?X  D Resonable? Probably not but ... one way is if you create decnet (V4)B circuits and lines for BOTH cards and only define the one you wantI decnet active on in the ON state, you can tell using NCP. The one with an ? address of all zeros will be the one(s) you use /NODECNET with.    $ NCP SHOW KNOWN LINE CHAR  > Known Line Volatile Characteristics as of 30-JAN-2003 15:40:14   Line = EWA-0   Receive buffers          = 32t! Controller               = normal # Protocol                 = Ethernetr Service timer            = 4000 , Hardware address         = 00-00-00-00-00-00 Device buffer size       = 1498r   Line = EWA-1   Receive buffers          = 32n! Controller               = normal # Protocol                 = Ethernet5 Service timer            = 4000o, Hardware address         = 00-60-CF-20-AF-D2 Device buffer size       = 1498-  : You could test for this in a DCL procedure something like:   $ DCL$_Success = %X10000001s
 $ ncp := $ncpcP $ pipe ncp show line 'P1' char | (define sys$output nl: ; define sys$error nl: --   ; sea/nooutput sys$input 00-00-00-00-00-00)n  $ If $status .eq. DCL$_Success -7   then write sys$output "DECNET is NOT active on ''P1'"   F You could also test to see which lines are in the OFF/ON state using aF similar method. This assumes you've correctly configured the permanent decnet database previously.    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonu3 --            karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu  w   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:35:18 +0100a2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)4 Subject: Re: Installing second ethernet card (DE500); Message-ID: <3e397066.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   : Alan Adams (alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:I > LAT and LAVC should both work on dual cards, provided Decnet hasn't setr > both to the same address.3  E And even if DECnet has set the MAC addresses correctly: if both cardshE are on the same network segment, you must create the LAT link for theuD second card with the /NODECNET qualifier. BTW: Does anyone know of aB reasonable method of determining which device has the AA-00-04 MACC address (and so should be the only device for which the LAT link iss created without /NODECNET)?    cu,o   Martin -- oG                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmers4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/e;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.deb   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:46:40 -0800o$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> Subject: RE: memoryleako0 Message-ID: <01C2C855.68C288B0@sulfer.icius.com>  E OK. I have a suspicion the best stuff's on a 9gig SCSI disk currentlyrF sat on top of the computer it's supposed to be in but isn't. I'll have# to get the screwdriver out tonight.y  D In the meantime, I'll send you an interesting little oddity offline.D It's a routine to use instead of printf's to output debugs, that hasG quota and resource monitoring features built in. It /may/ help. Can you  handle a zip attachment?   Shanen   -----Original Message-----< From: rallykarro@hotmail.com [mailto:rallykarro@hotmail.com]* Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:35 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma Subject: Re: memoryleak6    / Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message>, news:<01C2C783.3F3471C0@sulfer.icius.com>...F > What language are you using? I don't know exactly where to look justE > now, but I'm sure I've got some tools for tracking down leaks in C.t >  > ShaneL >  > -----Original Message-----> > From: rallykarro@hotmail.com [mailto:rallykarro@hotmail.com], > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:34 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn > Subject: memoryleakn >  >  > Hi,  > E > I have a problem with a program on VMS that are leaking memory. HowoG > can I easy get hold of my leak. I tried lib$show_vm but realised thatuF > it doesn't give me anything. I read at compaq that this was obsolete
 > as well. > E > Is there any replacement for lib$show_vm or is there any thing likeu! > "purifier" running on OpenVMS??f >  > thanks for helping >  > //karolina  	 Hi Shane,t  A I am using C. I would love some tool the lets med track this leake down...e   regards,   Karolina   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:43:48 +0100p2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: memoryleakr; Message-ID: <3e397264.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>d  ( karolina (rallykarro@hotmail.com) wrote:) > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote...d! > > rallykarro@hotmail.com wrote:2I > > > I have a problem with a program on VMS that are leaking memory. How-K > > > can I easy get hold of my leak. I tried lib$show_vm but realised thatiJ > > > it doesn't give me anything. I read at compaq that this was obsolete > > > as well. > > I > > > Is there any replacement for lib$show_vm or is there any thing like.% > > > "purifier" running on OpenVMS??u > >,H > > What language are you using? I don't know exactly where to look justG > > now, but I'm sure I've got some tools for tracking down leaks in C.f > K > I am using C. I would love some tool the lets med track this leak down...   D There's a homemade leak tracker package for malloc and friends on my website.   cu,h   Martin -- tG                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmerc4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/o;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.dem   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 16:04:41 -0800' From: rallykarro@hotmail.com (karolina)  Subject: Re: memoryleak = Message-ID: <c8a98246.0301301604.68ca82aa@posting.google.com>l   rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote in message news:<rdeininger-3001030733220001@user-2ive38l.dialup.mindspring.com>...? > In article <c8a98246.0301300104.64376709@posting.google.com>,o* > rallykarro@hotmail.com (karolina) wrote: > @ > >rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote in messageK >  news:<rdeininger-2901032134580001@user-2ive10q.dialup.mindspring.com>...CB > >> In article <c8a98246.0301291034.5ad98022@posting.google.com>,- > >> rallykarro@hotmail.com (karolina) wrote:a > >> o	 > >> >Hi,  > >> >I > >> >I have a problem with a program on VMS that are leaking memory. How K > >> >can I easy get hold of my leak. I tried lib$show_vm but realised thattJ > >> >it doesn't give me anything. I read at compaq that this was obsolete > >> >as well. > >> >I > >> >Is there any replacement for lib$show_vm or is there any thing like % > >> >"purifier" running on OpenVMS??y > >> vM > >> Do you mean LIB$SHOW_VM_ZONE?  AFAIK, LIB$SHOW_VM_ZONE is not obsolete. hO > >> Public VMS components almost never go away.  Sometimes they are supersededhO > >> by newer, more functional components, but the old stuff remains available.  > >>  O > >> There is a chapter about memory management in the VMS programming concepts * > >> manual.  It has a very good overview. > >> vF > >> There are some extensive hints available for debugging VMS memoryO > >> management problems.  IIRC, these are either in the OpenVMS FAQ, or in thetO > >> Ask the Wizard section at the VMS web site.  You should have the FAQ handy  > >> for reference in any case.b > >> aO > >> And as someone else mentioned, there is the Heap Analyzer, part of the VMSI > >> debugger. > >n > >Hi, > >sI > >I mean LIB$SHOW_VM. I have to check Heap Analyzer though, a fast checkoI > >gave me that I couldn't find any menu for it in the DECWindowsDebugger  > I > I don't recall how the heap analyzer is used.  I only remember that theD > debugger manual tells me how.e > I > >If I for example run this in a loop which in my world should result in5. > >a leak of 10000 * int bytes for every loop: > >" > >LIB$SHOW_VM();r > >LIB$SHOW_VM_64(); > >LIB$SHOW_VM_ZONE(); > >LIB$SHOW_VM_ZONE_64();h > >                        f: > >test_p = (int *) malloc( sizeof(10000 * sizeof(int) )); > >test_p = NULL;t > >  > >LIB$SHOW_VM();  > >LIB$SHOW_VM_64(); > >LIB$SHOW_VM_ZONE(); > >LIB$SHOW_VM_ZONE_64();V > > * > >this wil give the output for each loop: > >eH > >1064 calls to LIB$GET_VM, 159 calls to LIB$FREE_VM, 33056 bytes still > >allocatedE > >0 calls to LIB$GET_VM_64, 0 calls to LIB$FREE_VM_64, 0 bytes stillh > >allocatedH > >1064 calls to LIB$GET_VM, 159 calls to LIB$FREE_VM, 33056 bytes still > >allocatedE > >0 calls to LIB$GET_VM_64, 0 calls to LIB$FREE_VM_64, 0 bytes still> > >allocatedH > >1064 calls to LIB$GET_VM, 159 calls to LIB$FREE_VM, 33056 bytes still > >allocatedE > >0 calls to LIB$GET_VM_64, 0 calls to LIB$FREE_VM_64, 0 bytes stilln > >allocatedH > >1064 calls to LIB$GET_VM, 159 calls to LIB$FREE_VM, 33056 bytes still > >allocatedE > >0 calls to LIB$GET_VM_64, 0 calls to LIB$FREE_VM_64, 0 bytes still  > >allocated > >etc - > >etc.  > >eI > >in other words it doesn't give me anything. I have this little exampleoG > >down in the code so the "1064 calls to LIB$GET_VM" and "159 calls to H > >LIB$FREE_VM" is data that has been set further up in the code and has' > >nothing to do with my little test... G > >You can run this test until you run out of memory, the LIB$ routinesu > >still gives me nothing! > >tI > >Reading at http://www.opus1.com/vmsdoc/progtool/cpqc64/5763p015.htm itn > >says:F > >.....This is no longer the case; interaction between these routines? > >and the Compaq C RTL memory allocation routines is no longerhC > >problematic (although LIB$SHOW_VM can no longer be used to track ' > >Compaq C RTL malloc and free usage).u > 1 > Ok, now I understand the question a bit better.  > G > The LIB$SHOW_VM... routines are designed to work with the LIB$ memorygJ > management mechanisms.  C's malloc() does not use the LIB$ mechanism, soH > it is invisible to the LIB$ info routines.  Again, see the Programming > Concepts manual. > K > I haven't used the heap analyzer with recent versions of C.  I don't know1J > if C's memory routines are visible to the heap analyzer.  If not, then I1 > think someone made a very poor design decision.D > G > >My question is: What do I use instead of LIB$SHOW_VM if it no longer0 > >can be used?? > F > I don't know if C provides a mechanism.  You might find a unixy toolD > ported to VMS, but I don't know of one offhand.  I don't know what7 > "purify" does, except what I can guess from the name.c > J > One of the recommendations in the other sources I referenced is to avoid? > direct use of malloc() and free(), becuase they are so weakly I > instrumented.  Either use the LIB$ routines, or write your own wrappers K > around malloc() and free().  Your routines can use fenceposts, poisoning,aH > reference counts, and other techniques to aid debugging.  This kind of: > toolkit is very useful, and can be made fairly portable. > L > The quickest way to fix your immediate problem might be to define your ownK > malloc() and free() using the LIB$ VM routines.  You could leave the bulk J > of your code unchanged, but still use the LIB$ tools to help you debug. C > When you are "done" debugging, you could revert to the standard C5J > routines.  This isn't portable, and you'd prefer even more debug supportL > than LIB$ provides on it's own.  But don't let "perfect" get in the way of( > "good enough" for the problem at hand.  
 Hi Robert,  D Thank you for yor answer. I actually did kind of exactly the way youE described. I made my self a wrapper around malloc and free to see howeD much I allocate and deallocate. I havent been able to test this veryD much but at a first look ot gives me what I thought lib$show_vm gaveB me. If this doesn't work my next thing to do is your suggestion om@ using LIB$ VM routines. I got the analyzer running on VMS and itF seeams neat. Actually I didn't know it existed, thanks for the tip. ByF the way, purifier is a program from rational that detects memory leaks etc. very nice actually....t  
 Thank you!  
 //Karolina   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 16:16:00 -0800' From: rallykarro@hotmail.com (karolina)s Subject: Re: memoryleakc= Message-ID: <c8a98246.0301301616.200229f3@posting.google.com>h  \ Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in message news:<01C2C855.68C288B0@sulfer.icius.com>...G > OK. I have a suspicion the best stuff's on a 9gig SCSI disk currentlyIH > sat on top of the computer it's supposed to be in but isn't. I'll have% > to get the screwdriver out tonight.- > F > In the meantime, I'll send you an interesting little oddity offline.F > It's a routine to use instead of printf's to output debugs, that hasI > quota and resource monitoring features built in. It /may/ help. Can your > handle a zip attachment? >  > Shane  >  > -----Original Message-----> > From: rallykarro@hotmail.com [mailto:rallykarro@hotmail.com], > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:35 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > Subject: Re: memoryleak- >  > 1 > Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote in messagem. > news:<01C2C783.3F3471C0@sulfer.icius.com>...H > > What language are you using? I don't know exactly where to look justG > > now, but I'm sure I've got some tools for tracking down leaks in C.o > > 	 > > Shanel > >  > > -----Original Message-----@ > > From: rallykarro@hotmail.com [mailto:rallykarro@hotmail.com]. > > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:34 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > > Subject: memoryleak  > >  > >  > > Hi,o > > G > > I have a problem with a program on VMS that are leaking memory. HowoI > > can I easy get hold of my leak. I tried lib$show_vm but realised thatyH > > it doesn't give me anything. I read at compaq that this was obsolete > > as well. > > G > > Is there any replacement for lib$show_vm or is there any thing likes# > > "purifier" running on OpenVMS??  > >  > > thanks for helping > >  > > //karolina >  > Hi Shane,e > C > I am using C. I would love some tool the lets med track this leaks	 > down...v > 
 > regards, > 
 > Karolina  	 Hi Shane,a  E Sorry for putting you through all this trouble. Yes, I can handle zipn@ attachments. I can't see that I got any routine by mail from you though..A I really like some good scripts and programs that makes my life a % little easier in the OpenVMS world...a  B I got a whole lot of tips for my problem and tried alot of them. I3 might be near the solution now, but you never know.   A Maybe this little problem at least comes with something good. YouwD might get that harddrive installed now instead of collecting dust at top of your computer :)g   Thanks!g  
 //Karolina   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 16:16:22 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e' Subject: Re: memoryleak (heap analyzer)s3 Message-ID: <S5GAO4LCB240@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  g In article <c8a98246.0301300104.64376709@posting.google.com>, rallykarro@hotmail.com (karolina) writes::  H > I mean LIB$SHOW_VM. I have to check Heap Analyzer though, a fast checkH > gave me that I couldn't find any menu for it in the DECWindowsDebugger  B I am quite certain that when I suggested the Heap Analyzer earlier? what I said was to look in the debugger manual.  I specificallyeA did not say that it was part of the debugger.  It has some sourcerC modules in common and I believe it is maintained by the same people:@ but it is a separate image used independently from the debugger.  C The fact that the documentation is considerably more than a printedg> version of online help is great proof that VMS is not Unix :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:24:16 -0400l0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: My e-mail sucks and I owe you beer / Message-ID: <3E397BDF.491860EC@vl.videotron.ca>e   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:bM > This message is MIME (deliberately). But it's MIME 8-bit, not that godawfulJ > Quoted-Printable.0  K MIME-8-bit is basically text/plain with just a warning that you can get thegL full set of characters,. including those above 127. This one is dangerous ifH you write very long "paragraphs" on Microsoft stuff since it will send a? paragraph as obne very long line which will exceed some limits.g  N Sun's SMTP software will truntate such long lines to abide by RFCs.  But whileM truncating it to 1000 characters may make it fine, it is still well above theh6 256 limit of  VMS MAIL when it goes from node to node.  L Quoted-printable is a way to ensure that your textual contents won't fuck upL any server on its way to destination as no data line exceeds ~80 characters.9 (and characters above 127 get encoded with the =xx stuff.-  M The problem is when you have a multipart message containing quoted printable,m! instead of just quoted printable.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:10:18 -0600.0 From: Earl Lakia <Lakia_n_o__s_p_a_m_@ipact.com>( Subject: OpenRDA ODBC Driver for OpenVMS1 Message-ID: <Z5ydnfx6WZAnCaSjXTWcqw@netnitco.net>   > I was looking a product to allow me to connect my OpenVMS host@ to a Microsoft SQL Server database.  Anyway, found the following4 product and wondering if anyone has tried it before.  : Here is the minimal marketing hype from their web site....  E OpenRDA ODBC Driver - From UNIX and OpenVMS platforms you can access  G ODBC compliant databases on MS Windows NT. Easily access Microsoft SQL iG Server, MS Access or other ODBC compliant databases from your UNIX and g OpenVMS platforms.  9 http://www.odbcsdk.com/products/openrda/unix_overview.aspb   -earl lakiat   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:15:06 -0500n3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>-& Subject: Re: OpenVMS DCOM question ...0 Message-ID: <iCg_9.159$nR2.149@news.cpqcorp.net>  0 Yes, an OpenVMS system can act as a DCOM client.   -- Gaitan D'Antoni7B OpenVMS Technical Architect for Application Development Technology Hewlett-Packard Companyf  7 "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> wrote in messaged& news:b19ne80203c@enews3.newsguy.com...L > Can an OpenVMS system act as a DCOM *client*?  Before I go and install theA > DCOM kit and try to figure it out I thought I'd ask here first.  > I > What I'd like to do is get the OpenVMS system to trigger an action in av> > particular piece of software on a Windows server.  Any other possibilities?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:24:44 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>8 Subject: Optical hypertransport for Hammer a possibility0 Message-ID: <01C2C85A.B7BEECB0@sulfer.icius.com>  ( http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=7509  D "AMD HYPERTRANSPORT is about to go optical, according to specialistsG Primarion. The company has said it will submit a proposed specification ? for optical links chips at the Platform Conference in San Jose,t California."  ? OK, so I find myself wondering what the gains will be after thetF conversions between electricity and light, but it's interesting. Isn'tG Hypertransport based on DEC technology? Imagine Marvel running on light 4 interconnects. No ETA on real-world hardware though.    #####  % #-O-O-# !---------------------------! % #  L  # !    Parlez vous geek?      !s%  #===#  !---------------------------!    ###e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:26:30 GMT  From: lbohan@dbc..spamless..com C Subject: Re: OT Battersea Power Station. Was Re: Marvel Performancee8 Message-ID: <m0gj3vk491al7m5k1ldma7pqiqd1gt5gmq@4ax.com>  B On 27 Jan 2003 16:33:27 -0800, chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris
 Doran) wrote:5  [ >p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message news:<B5rPB4Q7ocjo@elias.decus.ch>... X >> In article <00A1A897.1E7B0AB1@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:f >> > In article <Dc429lt6SwJe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:a >> >>In article <87ptqlyu7b.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:t ><...< tT >> > This was a "highlight" of my stay in London.  We stayed at the Thistle VictoriaU >> > (next to and with an annex to Victoria station) and from our hotel room we could  >> > see the power station.w >cC >Now that you know what it looks like, keep an eye open for various9G >films in which it has starred. The scenes always have a strange air oftF >familiarity, and end by panning back to the 4 chimneys which give the >game away.m >iF >I think one was a Dr Who, and another a James Bond-like film where itB >was the scene for a terrorist camp in some banana republic. MaybeF >there are others -- there seems to be a market for derelict factories >as film sets. >s >Chris  3 Was the style of this power-station copied widely ?m  F I recall that the black and white libretto that came w/ early releasesA of Who's double-LP Quadrophenia, has a shot of 4-chimney station  ( on the 2nd page, looming in the bgnd ...  1 I had always wondered if was the same station as  ! seen on the Pink Floyd album  ...m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 04:13:46 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 1 Subject: PHP-MySQL-CSWS  (was Touchdown OpenVMS!) 2 Message-ID: <3E39F73B.D5093364@firstdbasource.com>   Arne Vajhj wrote: <snip> > : > 3)  I would definatetly go for either JSP or PHP instead+ >      of ASP in a non-Windows environment.  >  > Arne    A Speaking of PHP.... does anyone have a working CSWS-->PHP-->MYSQLr@ example and where all the pieces parts can be found.  I have PHPA installed, I have mySQL client installed, but seem to be missing  $ some pieces and it doesn't work yet.  H The PHP works great. The mysql client seems to work.  but mysql doesn't  want to play nice with php.      -- p Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 04:20:07 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 5 Subject: Re: PHP-MySQL-CSWS  (was Touchdown OpenVMS!) 2 Message-ID: <3E39F8BB.ADB29CBC@firstdbasource.com>   Michael Austin wrote:  >  > Arne Vajhj wrote: > <snip> > >i< > > 3)  I would definatetly go for either JSP or PHP instead- > >      of ASP in a non-Windows environment.e > >t > > Arne > C > Speaking of PHP.... does anyone have a working CSWS-->PHP-->MYSQLyB > example and where all the pieces parts can be found.  I have PHPB > installed, I have mySQL client installed, but seem to be missing& > some pieces and it doesn't work yet. > I > The PHP works great. The mysql client seems to work.  but mysql doesn'tG > want to play nice with php.  >  > --
 > Regards, > 8 > Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19849 > First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163s  ( BTW, the mySQL server is on a Linux box. --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 1984   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC)>3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>u5 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image question 0 Message-ID: <b1c3re$4ih$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  L Sorry, like everyone else I'm busy, and would like to explain more but LarryE is talking complete crap! And from someone who is apparently into VMSeI security I am astonished. Threads and UWSSs are *NOT* interchangeable butnL complimentary/supplementary. Personally I would not use threads unless I wasI porting code from unix to VMS. (Larry bangs on about scalability but lastuI time I looked Kernel threads were maxed at 32 whereas if (like TIER3) youaJ had an AST threaded communication server that passed work on to "N" numberL of worker processes (each with 1 kernel thread) then you could give it a CPU/ and have the workers scale as much as you want)n  E Anyway inner mode ASTs can't be interrupted by user mode ASTs so whatdH someone else said was also crap but I dragged myself across North LondonH last year to here Stephen Hoffman explain this stuff. "OpenVMS hints andL Kinks" but the failed air-conditioning, ice-creams and an audience of systemL managers meant we never got the answers. Still good to put some faces to the names.  J If you want to know more then please reply as I would also like to discussL this but in the grand scheme of U.S. "liebens raum" what does it all matter.   Regards Richard Maher.  8 Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:ULd5LJPIc9vb@eisner.encompasserve.org...-5 > In article <IamEMBlV8LQW@eisner.encompasserve.org>,m  briggs@encompasserve.org writes:< > > In article <3E37AFBC.D2DEE989@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei) <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:.L > >> In the sharable image cookbook, there is a mention of not calling otherI > >> shareable images from a user written system service.  I will requirey	 SYSPRV to 9 > >> call the SFF routines which are in a shareable imageP > >>. > >> MAIL calls me as a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL,, > >> I call my UWSS which enables SYSPRV andG > >> then call the SFF routine to submit a message to the SMTP server).l > >>& > >> Is this going to be a big NO NO ? > >yE > > The only issue I see is how you deal with the possibility that angD > > unrelated thread of execution (thread, AST routine, exit handlerH > > or condition handler) gains control within your process while SYSPRV > > is still enabled.r >nD > DECthreads on Alpha solves that issue automagically, so the sourceD > code for the Persona Services called by DECthreads might be a good
 > example.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 15:21:06 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org5 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image question:3 Message-ID: <Vyd+FRlGA9ri@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  f In article <b1c3re$4ih$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:N > Sorry, like everyone else I'm busy, and would like to explain more but LarryG > is talking complete crap! And from someone who is apparently into VMS9K > security I am astonished. Threads and UWSSs are *NOT* interchangeable butnN > complimentary/supplementary. Personally I would not use threads unless I wasK > porting code from unix to VMS. (Larry bangs on about scalability but lastvK > time I looked Kernel threads were maxed at 32 whereas if (like TIER3) youwL > had an AST threaded communication server that passed work on to "N" numberN > of worker processes (each with 1 kernel thread) then you could give it a CPU1 > and have the workers scale as much as you want)h > G > Anyway inner mode ASTs can't be interrupted by user mode ASTs so whatcJ > someone else said was also crap but I dragged myself across North LondonJ > last year to here Stephen Hoffman explain this stuff. "OpenVMS hints andN > Kinks" but the failed air-conditioning, ice-creams and an audience of systemN > managers meant we never got the answers. Still good to put some faces to the > names.  @ If you're talking about what I said when I voiced concerns aboutA one thread of execution interrupting another privileged thread of > execution and inheriting privilege, your comment is misplaced.  H We're not talking about executive level code in a UWSS being interrupted@ by a user mode AST.  We're talking about executive level code in? a UWSS being called upon to enable SYSPRV and then returning to B user level at which point a user mode AST is delivered, clobbering the naive security model.a  @ We're not talking about using threads in our application.  We're< not writing the application.  We're talking about tolerating? interference from threads (and AST's and condition handlers andD> exit handlers) in our _subroutine_ which is dynamically mapped9 via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL from within an application overh6 which we are able to exercise precious little control.  ; And we are told that we don't have the option of performing<@ our work from within the context of a UWSS because the work that4 we need done is in the context of another subroutine  8 Which does bring up the possibility of two more attacks.A How do we know that the routine we're calling is the real SFF_xxxI: routine which we trust to behave nicely with SYSPRV turned; on?  And how do we know that our UWSS which turns on SYSPRVo" will only do so when called by us?   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 17:16:25 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Privileges in a shareable image questiono3 Message-ID: <O0+TOYHfR3AE@eisner.encompasserve.org>B  T In article <Vyd+FRlGA9ri@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:  J > We're not talking about executive level code in a UWSS being interruptedB > by a user mode AST.  We're talking about executive level code inA > a UWSS being called upon to enable SYSPRV and then returning toAD > user level at which point a user mode AST is delivered, clobbering > the naive security model.1 > B > We're not talking about using threads in our application.  We're> > not writing the application.  We're talking about toleratingA > interference from threads (and AST's and condition handlers and6@ > exit handlers) in our _subroutine_ which is dynamically mapped; > via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL from within an application overk8 > which we are able to exercise precious little control.  F In particular, I mentioned DECthreads as a component that does all theD persona calls (on Alpha) required to solve the problem of privilegesH that are not supposed to be available everywhere in the running program.F My particular suggestion was to look at the source listings to see howE DECthreads does it, in order to see what an AST should do to play thev game correctly.6   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:52:44 -0800c$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> Subject: RE: Rogues Galleryv0 Message-ID: <01C2C856.277EA8B0@sulfer.icius.com>  G I don't know if Peter Dick is still in the community, but he used to bezD a PDP lover back in the late 80s. He used to show that same picture,H followed by a similar one for the PDP that said "The architecture of the; future", and point out the VAX only had a few years left...C   Shanec   -----Original Message-----@ From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]( Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:16 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComI Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery+    B > I have often wondered who the people featured in many of the oldB > DEC books were.  Is there any chance a "Rogues Gallery" could beA > created (I am willing to scan and put up the pictures on my webJ@ > page) and some of our "old-timers" from Digital could identifyA > them for posterity??  Or were they all actually models in posedpA > shots rather than the candid office photos they look like??  IsE? > it possible some of our more famous (infamous?) group members - > are actually pictured in these tomes??  :-)d  D At one place I used to work, someone had put up the cover of a book H which said something like "VAX: Architecture for the 80's" and featured G a couple of young people in a computer room (which somehow reminded me 1G of the scantily clad women in some motorcycle magazines).  Underneath,  6 someone had penciled in "...and fashions for the 70s".  B To be fair, though, Mr. Gates and company did manage to start out F looking OK (sort of like the shots of the audience in the sheet-music ) book of Pink Floyd's WISH YOU WERE HERE):a  >    http://www.astro.multivax.de:8000/helbig/gifs/microsoft.jpg   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:16:44 GMT 0 From: John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery > Message-ID: <MPG.18a3280beaf6025e9896cb@news.bellatlantic.net>  7 In article <b1bd4t$121m66$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, 5 bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu says...B > I have often wondered who the people featured in many of the oldB > DEC books were.  Is there any chance a "Rogues Gallery" could beA > created (I am willing to scan and put up the pictures on my webw@ > page) and some of our "old-timers" from Digital could identifyA > them for posterity??  Or were they all actually models in posed A > shots rather than the candid office photos they look like??  Isr? > it possible some of our more famous (infamous?) group memberst- > are actually pictured in these tomes??  :-)e >  > bill  @ I think they were mostly models.  There was one guy who appearedB in several pictures in early VAX manuals.  Someone at work spottedB him in a Jordan Marsh (Boston dept. store) ad in the newspaper, so; we cut it out and erected a little shrine to "Mr. VAX"  :-)   ? This was a tall thin guy with short hair and a gray suit.  I.E.r@ he bore no resemblance at all to any real programmer I ever met.= None the less, we used to pray at the Mr. VAX shrine that oure programs would work!   --   John   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jan 2003 18:26:29 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery26 Message-ID: <b1bqol$11oh3i$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  > In article <MPG.18a3280beaf6025e9896cb@news.bellatlantic.net>,3 	John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu> writes:d9 > In article <b1bd4t$121m66$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, e > bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu says...C >> I have often wondered who the people featured in many of the old C >> DEC books were.  Is there any chance a "Rogues Gallery" could beoB >> created (I am willing to scan and put up the pictures on my webA >> page) and some of our "old-timers" from Digital could identifygB >> them for posterity??  Or were they all actually models in posedB >> shots rather than the candid office photos they look like??  Is@ >> it possible some of our more famous (infamous?) group members. >> are actually pictured in these tomes??  :-) > B > I think they were mostly models.  There was one guy who appearedD > in several pictures in early VAX manuals.  Someone at work spottedD > him in a Jordan Marsh (Boston dept. store) ad in the newspaper, so= > we cut it out and erected a little shrine to "Mr. VAX"  :-)a > A > This was a tall thin guy with short hair and a gray suit.  I.E.-B > he bore no resemblance at all to any real programmer I ever met.? > None the less, we used to pray at the Mr. VAX shrine that ours > programs would work! >   8 Boy does reality suck.  I've never been so disappointed.  @ You mean that isn't Megan on Page 210 of the PDP-11 Architecture
 Handbook? F          http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page210.jpg   Or Hoff on Page 52? E          http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page52.jpga   Or even Bob Supnik on Page 265?nF          http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page265.jpg   :-)i   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:35:33 -0400m0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Rogues Gallerys/ Message-ID: <3E399A9B.152FB1FC@vl.videotron.ca>r   Bill Gunshannon wrote:A > > None the less, we used to pray at the Mr. VAX shrine that our0 > > programs would works   My vax shrine is at:  3 http://pages.infinit.net/jfmezei/vms/vax_temple.gife   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:42:56 -0500 + From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>u Subject: Re: Rogues Galleryl8 Message-ID: <q9si3v0ioa7an5pfrfedmj4p219e62g2cl@4ax.com>  C On 30 Jan 2003 18:26:29 GMT, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)i wrote:   >tA >You mean that isn't Megan on Page 210 of the PDP-11 Architecturet >Handbook? sG >         http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page210.jpg  >- >Or Hoff on Page 52?  F >         http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page52.jpg >a  >Or even Bob Supnik on Page 265?G >         http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page265.jpg@  D Definitely not Megan (I know what she looked like in those days) andE the "Hoff" picture doesn't look like him at all.  I don't know Supniku3 well enough to comment, but it seems dubious to me.i   Stevee   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jan 2003 19:09:19 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Rogues Gallerya6 Message-ID: <b1bt8v$11eg8a$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  8 In article <q9si3v0ioa7an5pfrfedmj4p219e62g2cl@4ax.com>,. 	Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes:E > On 30 Jan 2003 18:26:29 GMT, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)e > wrote: >  >>B >>You mean that isn't Megan on Page 210 of the PDP-11 Architecture >>Handbook? H >>         http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page210.jpg >> >>Or Hoff on Page 52? G >>         http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page52.jpgu >>! >>Or even Bob Supnik on Page 265? H >>         http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page265.jpg > F > Definitely not Megan (I know what she looked like in those days) andG > the "Hoff" picture doesn't look like him at all.  I don't know Supnik35 > well enough to comment, but it seems dubious to me.i  E That's what comes from trying to envision what people you communicateeF with here look like. I have never had the pleasure of actually meeting any of them.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 18:36:54 -0600; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)o Subject: Re: Rogues Gallerys3 Message-ID: <gkt5OwYUXnaf@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  e In article <b1bd4t$121m66$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:lB > I have often wondered who the people featured in many of the oldB > DEC books were.  Is there any chance a "Rogues Gallery" could beA > created (I am willing to scan and put up the pictures on my webt@ > page) and some of our "old-timers" from Digital could identifyA > them for posterity??  Or were they all actually models in posed.A > shots rather than the candid office photos they look like??  Is0? > it possible some of our more famous (infamous?) group members:- > are actually pictured in these tomes??  :-)6  K Back when I was reasonable fresh out of college, I interviewed for a job atoG a place using PDP-8s to automate scoreboards. I mentioned to the personpH interviewing me that I remembered a photo of one from one of the old DECE handbooks. He grabbed his copy, opened to the page with the picture Id@ refered to, and there was a picture of him next to his computer.   So at least one was real.0  I The picture of the job I always wanted was in the "PRO" handbook: The guyoI lying on a lounge chair on his deck, overlooking the cape,  PRO under the 0 chair, dog at his feet. I *STILL* want that job.  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamya4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  B 	Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 18:39:23 -0600; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)r Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery 3 Message-ID: <2xtbbnGKwlwt@eisner.encompasserve.org>B  e In article <b1bqol$11oh3i$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:p: > Boy does reality suck.  I've never been so disappointed. > B > You mean that isn't Megan on Page 210 of the PDP-11 Architecture > Handbook? H >          http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page210.jpg >  > Or Hoff on Page 52? G >          http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page52.jpg  > ! > Or even Bob Supnik on Page 265?eH >          http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page265.jpg  	 ROTFLMAO!h    1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  B 	Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Century   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jan 2003 01:09:40 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Rogues Galleryb6 Message-ID: <b1cick$11m0gl$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  / In article <3E399A9B.152FB1FC@vl.videotron.ca>,e3 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:o > Bill Gunshannon wrote:B >> > None the less, we used to pray at the Mr. VAX shrine that our >> > programs would work  E Watch that attribution.  I did not say this and I don't have a shrine  to Mr. VAX.    >  > My vax shrine is at: > 5 > http://pages.infinit.net/jfmezei/vms/vax_temple.gif    bill   -- OJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:31:41 GMT 4 From: Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Rogues Galleryd8 Message-ID: <idkj3vgboq1svsausglepq7ia9bf2qiohp@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:35:33 -0400, JF Mezei( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   >Bill Gunshannon wrote: B >> > None the less, we used to pray at the Mr. VAX shrine that our >> > programs would work >l >My vax shrine is at:l >t4 >http://pages.infinit.net/jfmezei/vms/vax_temple.gif  3 Looks like a VAXstation / DECwindows shrine to me! e  9 Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis 	Calgary, Alberta, Canada  --  F Brian.Inglis@CSi.com 	(Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca),     fake address		use address above to reply@ abuse@aol.com tosspam@aol.com abuse@att.com abuse@earthlink.com ? abuse@hotmail.com abuse@mci.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com  B abuse@yahoo.com abuse@cadvision.com abuse@shaw.ca abuse@telus.com - abuse@ibsystems.com uce@ftc.gov				spam trapsg   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 12:15:03 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301301215.50a0dea5@posting.google.com>o  t "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<mpb_9.161980$ej1.83632@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...$ > <geff@excite.com> wrote in message9 > news:2119a17f.0301292159.201411cc@posting.google.com...w3 > > I'm sorry - I mean 31-JAN, 28-FEB, 31-MAR, etc.a > >) > < > Do you want to be able to handle Feb. 29th in a leap year?  $ I'm sure he does. Why would he not?   @ > It is much easier to deal with 00:00 on the 1st of each month.  E Well, if you can calculate that, just subtract 1 day from the result.b; Since he has since asked for 6pm, subtract 6 hours instead.e  D The problem I see is what to do if the job crashes before it submitsE its next run or for some other reason doesn't run at all and you haven? to rerun it on the first of the next month. How robust does thetE original poster want or need this to be? How long might this job run?fE You can do the resubmit at the top of the code and as long as it runsmA then logic assuming it's the last day of the month would be fine.uF Still, other bad situations can arise and it is paramount to know what: the code does regarding the resubmit before re-running it!  6 Here are some ideas you (the original poster) can use:  0 You can get the first of the current month with   &    $ FOM = F$CVTIME("1--","ABSOLUTE")   C Add 31 days to that via NM = F$CVTIME("''FOM'+31-00","ABSOLUTE") touE generate a day that is definitely during the following month. (Add 62 C days instead to go to a date that is definitely two calendar monthsbC ahead.) Then extract the day from that with F$CVTIME(NM,,"DAY") andyA subtract that many days from that time to get the last day of thee9 month before that month. Add 18 hours to that to get 6pm.r  A Others will suggest using F$EXTRACT and substring overlays, but IdA always prefer "arithmetic" and non-string functions for date-timee manipulations.  C You can also construct loops that increment the day by one and thene0 test if the month has changed and go from there.  F But the hard part will be deciding how to deal with problem cases as IF mentioned above. Logic that written assuming the last day of the month> probably won't work on the next day. There are several ways of* proceeding. I already suggested one above.  D The other thing is that you (the original poster) posted a one-linerE solution. I generally don't like complex one-liners because such codes= is harder to understand, harder to read, harder to verify foriE accuracy, harder to debug, harder to test, etc. I see no advantage to-= complex one-liners except to save a little typing or to win at one-liner contest.   [...]:   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman4   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:38:16 -0400>0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?/ Message-ID: <3E397F27.7A728138@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote:o< > Do you want to be able to handle Feb. 29th in a leap year? > @ > It is much easier to deal with 00:00 on the 1st of each month.  N Which is why you take the first of a month, and abuse F$CVTIME to subtract oneH day from it, and voila, you have the last day of previous month, and add) whatever time you want the job to run at.a   ------------------------------   Date: 30 JAN 2003 16:41:48 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>m$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?2 Message-ID: <30JAN03.16414870@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  ? In a previous article, geff@excite.com (geff@excite.com) wrote:oF > I need a job to run on the end of the month then resubmit itself forC > the end of next month.  I found something in the newsgroup awhile G > back.  Does this function look like it would handle it (including FEB ! > and DEC)?  Thanks for any info.a >  s >  - > $ end_of_month = -s > f$cvtime("01-''f$cvtime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","MONTH")'-''f$cvtime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","YEAR")'-1-","ABSOLUTE")S  I That looks to me like it will correctly give you the end of the *current*pE month.  In case you don't understand what's happening, the "15--+30-"aG says "take the 15th of this month" ("15--") and add 30 days ("+30-") toe< it.  That will be sometime in the middle of next month.  TheH f$cvtime("15--+30-","absolute","month") returns a string containing nextF month's month (eg "FEB", given that today is Jan 30).  So you create aG string that contains "01-" + next_month + next_month's_year and use theg+ outer f$cvtime to subtract one day ("-1-").   F Here's another way to get the end of the current month.  The "28--+4-"- guarantees a single digit date in next month.e   $ last_of_this_month = -_ f$cvtime( "1" + f$extract(1,9,f$cvtime("28--+4-","absolute","date")) + "-1-","absolute","date")i  D But you need to get the last day of *next* month in order to do yourH resubmission.  That's a little harder.  This method calculates the firstH of next month (eg 1-FEB-2003 since today is 30-JAN-2003), then the firstB of the following month, then subtracts 1 day from the first of the. following month to get the last of next month.  J $ first_of_next_month = "1"+f$extract(1,9,f$cvtime("28-- +4-","absolute")) $ first_of_following_month = -I    "1" + f$extract(1,9,f$cvtime("''first_of_next_month'+32-","absolute")): $ last_of_next_month = -?    f$cvtime("''first_of_following_month'-1-","absolute","date")n    $ show symbol last_of_next_month$   LAST_OF_NEXT_MONTH = "28-FEB-2003"   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:47:06 -0800 - From: Marc Chametzky <marc+spam@bluevine.net> $ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?+ Message-ID: <3E39570A.1030606@bluevine.net>g  I > Say 6 PM on the last day of each month.  I really appreciate your help!u  K Here you go... You could, obviously enough, tweak it to be the end of next eB month, too, by changing the NextMonth calculation to be "28-+45-".   --Marc  + $ NextMonth = F$CVTime("1-+31-","Absolute") ; $ EndOfThisMonth = F$CVTime("''NextMonth'-0-06","Absolute")i! $ Write Sys$Output EndOfThisMontho   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jan 2003 12:05 CDT-' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) $ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?- Message-ID: <30JAN200312051415@gerg.tamu.edu>R  1 Marc Chametzky <marc+spam@bluevine.net> writes...3J }> Say 6 PM on the last day of each month.  I really appreciate your help! } L }Here you go... You could, obviously enough, tweak it to be the end of next C }month, too, by changing the NextMonth calculation to be "28-+45-".  }  }--Marc  } , }$ NextMonth = F$CVTime("1-+31-","Absolute")< }$ EndOfThisMonth = F$CVTime("''NextMonth'-0-06","Absolute")" }$ Write Sys$Output EndOfThisMonth  F This doesn't actually work unless the current month happens to have 31 days in it.w  C Why? Because your "NextMonth" symbol will not be the *first* day ofiD the next month unless that is the case. What you end up with in yourG "NextMonth" symbol is just the date that is 31 days after the first daybG of this month. If you try this in February you'll find that you get therB date-time 4-MAR-2003 00:00:00.00. Subtract off 6 hours and you get, 3-MAR-2003 18:00:00.00. (See this by doing a  4 $ write sys$output F$CvTime("1-FEB-+31-","ABSOLUTE")  K to simulate it via not using the defaulting of the month part of the date.)-  G You need to make the "nextmonth" symbol specifically hold the first daym: of that month, or you can't just subtract off the 6 hours.   $ nextmonth = "1-" + -3   F$CvTime("1-+31-", "ABSOLUTE", "MONTH") + "-" + - (   F$CvTime("1-+31-", "ABSOLUTE", "YEAR")  F Or, for when you are trying to get 18:00 on the last day of next month& instead of the last day of this month:   $ nextnextmonth = "1-" + -3   F$CvTime("1-+62-", "ABSOLUTE", "MONTH") + "-" + -i(   F$CvTime("1-+62-", "ABSOLUTE", "YEAR")@ $ endofnextmonth = F$CvTime("''nextnextmonth'-0-06", "ABSOLUTE")  E I like this better than the other one, although it is practically ther* same thing, just broken up into two parts.   --- Carl] In article <3E39570A.1030606@bluevine.net>, Marc Chametzky <marc+spam@bluevine.net> writes...-J }> Say 6 PM on the last day of each month.  I really appreciate your help! } L }Here you go... You could, obviously enough, tweak it to be the end of next C }month, too, by changing the NextMonth calculation to be "28-+45-".n }  }--Marcn } , }$ NextMonth = F$CVTime("1-+31-","Absolute")< }$ EndOfThisMonth = F$CVTime("''NextMonth'-0-06","Absolute")" }$ Write Sys$Output EndOfThisMonth }  }    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:34:55 -0800u0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?, Message-ID: <3E39542F.687CFEF9@Mvb.Saic.Com>   geff@excite.com wrote: > I > Say 6 PM on the last day of each month.  I really appreciate your help!a > W > Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:<3E38C19B.DFF5A08A@aaa.com>...-. > > OK, but then, in the beginning of 31-Jan ? > > Or at the end of 31-JAN ?m > > At lunch time ?c1 > > Or just about anytime during the 24h period ?  > >g > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.s > >. > > "geff@excite.com" wrote: > > >o5 > > > I'm sorry - I mean 31-JAN, 28-FEB, 31-MAR, etc.o > > > [ > > > Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:<3E3846C0.510585BD@aaa.com>...t  # The following may be of use to you:a   $ FirstOfLastMonth = "1-" + 3 f$extract(3,8,f$cvtime("1---1-","absolute","date"))h8 $ LastOfLastMonth = f$cvtime("1---1-","absolute","date")6 $ FirstOfThisMonth = f$cvtime("1--","absolute","date") $ LastOfThisMonth = -y         f$cvtime("1-" +o6 f$extract(2,8,f$cvtime("28--+4-","absolute","date")) -"         + "-1-","absolute","date") $ FirstOfNextMonth = "1-" + 4 f$extract(2,8,f$cvtime("28--+4-","absolute","date")) $ LastOfNextMonth = -#         f$cvtime( "1-" +7 f$extract(2,8,f$cvtime("28--+35-","absolute","date")) - "         + "-1-","absolute","date")  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:42:24 GMT1# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?J Message-ID: <4%g_9.227675$pDv.227327@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:30JAN200311091091@gerg.tamu.edu...a) > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes...i% > }<geff@excite.com> wrote in messagen: > }news:2119a17f.0301292159.201411cc@posting.google.com...4 > }> I'm sorry - I mean 31-JAN, 28-FEB, 31-MAR, etc. > }> > } = > }Do you want to be able to handle Feb. 29th in a leap year?  > } A > }It is much easier to deal with 00:00 on the 1st of each month.a >>B > The DCL posted earlier will work fine to get the last day of the month.B > It will deal with leap years just fine. It will work every time. >l( > Here it is again. It is pretty clever. >l > $ end_of_month =F f$cvtime("01-''f$cvtime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","MONTH")'-''f$cvtime("15+ --+30-","ABSOLUTE","YEAR")'-1-","ABSOLUTE")t > : > It is feeding the f$cvtime lexical a time string that is+ > 1) day 1 (via that leading literal "01-")fB > 2) of the month that is 30 days after the 15th day of this month (that's theeB > month returned by the f$cvtime(-"15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","MONTH") -	 this will C > always work because every month has at least 15 days in it and 30c
 days after/ > that is never past the end of the next month)u? > 3) of the year that the next month is in (same thing but withd "YEAR"),D > 4) and then it subtracts off a day (that trailing "-1-" - the last day ofC > this month is always the day before the first day of next month).  >e+ > There is no case when this will not work.e >uC > If you want a specific time on that day other than "00:00:00.00",c all youn? > have to do is add the third parameter as "DATE" and stick thee desired time > on the end of it, like so: >a > $ end_of_monthF =f$cvtime("01-''f$cvtime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","MONTH")'-''f$cvtime("15 5--+30-","ABSOLUTE","YEAR")'-1-","ABSOLUTE","DATE") -i >   + ":18:00:00.00" >xE > and you now have 6pm of the last day of the current month. (The ":"e beforeE > the "18" could be a space instead, but I have occasionally found itd easier > to use this way.)o > F > If you want a version that doesn't wrap and is perhaps slightly easi er toi > follow, here's one:a >,8 > $ next_month = F$CvTime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","MONTH")= > $ next_months_year = F$CvTime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","YEAR")- > $ last_day_of_this_month = -E >     F$CvTime("01-''next_month'-''next_months_year'-1-", "ABSOLUTE",s "DATE")e >mC > SO now you have the date, tack on any time string you want to theD
 end of it.     Slick.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:09:35 GMTs0 From: HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid>$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?7 Message-ID: <zoh_9.3030$3x1.63965@nasal.pacific.net.au>p  ( geff@excite.com <geff@excite.com> wrote:I > Say 6 PM on the last day of each month.  I really appreciate your help!.    W > Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:<3E38C19B.DFF5A08A@aaa.com>...e- >> OK, but then, in the beginning of 31-Jan ?  >> Or at the end of 31-JAN ? >> At lunch time ?0 >> Or just about anytime during the 24h period ? >> e >> Jan-Erik S?derholm. >>   >> "geff@excite.com" wrote:J >> > 44 >> > I'm sorry - I mean 31-JAN, 28-FEB, 31-MAR, etc. >> >  Z >> > Jan-Erik S?derholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:<3E3846C0.510585BD@aaa.com>...  = 	I *think* the following might work, haven't tested it much :e   	$SUBMIT/NOPRINT/NOTIFY -0K   /AFTER="1-''F$EXTRACT(2,8,F$CVTIME("1-+62-","ABSOLUTE"))':18:00:00 -1-" -: 	T.COM	eC 	Job T (queue SYS$BATCH, entry 320) holding until 28-FEB-2003 18:00i  = 	Without the ":18:00:00" part the job would start at midnighte 	( 28-FEB-2003 00:00 ).y 	Hope this helps...  							Cheers,  Csabaw  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:r  4 	By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:04:00 -0600r0 From: Earl Lakia <Lakia_n_o__s_p_a_m_@ipact.com>= Subject: Re: VAX linker /$objdef documentation inconsistency.n1 Message-ID: <PMidnYLZgcncDqSjXTWc2Q@netnitco.net>u  2 I extracted $objdef from starlet and it looks like6 TIR$C_STO_LW is 22.  I did this form a VAX VMS version7 6.2 so maybe it's not there for Alpha or later versionsa of OpenVMS.t  4 I made all the references external in my application3 (was a FORTRAN program that I created to initializeS5 global commons).  I also included the following macron module on my link.     $ type objdef.mar           $OBJDEF GLOBALs
          .ENDn   -earlo     Dave Weatherall wrote:G > Yesterday I was adding some new features to the Host assembler suite nH > that I maintain. Although the target processor is not a VAX, I do use H > the VAX object format. Mainly because its the best that I had seen andG > it allows my linker to use VMS Object libraries ,which in turn saves  F > me from writing a librarian. Anyway, I added an assembler directive G > that needs to store a long word. In the Linker manual, the symbol is e > defined as :-e >  > 	TIR$C_STO_LWi > H > Assembled it and tried to link. The link failed with the message that % > the above symbol is undefined! Eh?!e > G > I check spelling, ensured my O was not 0, all to now avail. Hm. So I  H > extracted $objdef from STARLET.MLB and lo and behold, there is no such  > definition. However, there is  >  > 	TIR$C_STO_L > H > which looks right. I changed my code linked it, no error and assembled > my Spirit-III source file. > H > Using ANALYZE /OBJ showed that the code was present in the new object D > module, albeit with the _LW format for the store long instruction. > H > Which is at fault, the Linker manual or $objdef? I did check the AlphaF > section of the Linker manual but can't remember what I found. I was D > concentrating on making my code work correctly, which it now does. > 2 > Thanks VMS for, mostly, making such things easy. > H > Almost forgot, the above applies to VMS 6.2 VAX. As I sit here I can'tG > remember whether the Alpha version of $objdef that I checked was 6.2 t > or 7.1-2.o >    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 12:03:42 -0800/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) ) Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 cd-rom bezel < Message-ID: <754a27c1.0301301203.2f16a60@posting.google.com>  p Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> wrote in message news:<3E3839E5.165374D6@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>...
 > I wrote: >r@ > The RRD47-EN from Compurex couldn't have been the -EN variant.? > The mounting bracket with it wasn't for a VAXstation 4000 andtA > there were no clips on the bottom of the drive described in thefB > 4000/60 Options guide installation instructions.  With no way to) > secure the drive in place, I used tape.h  C When mounting CDROMs in a VAXstation 4000/60, I have found that alleB you need to do is to put some screws with big round heads into theF side of the drive.  The drive will then snap into the 5 1/4" bracket. 0 You don't need any clips, tape, cable ties, etc.  C It sounds kind of goofy, but it looks like the bracket was designede	 for this.   
 Good luck!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:48:49 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>t% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now availablea' Message-ID: <3E3981A1.3000006@MMaz.com>n   Ken Robinson wrote:   F >>The longer VMS isn't actively advertised and marketed, the longer itB >>will be a marginal entity that the HP Board of Directors will be >>tempted to cease funding.  >>     >> >Does this   >bG ><http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.pdf>S >s >count as new advertising?   > G No!  When you go to the main HP web site (www.hp.com), you see NOTHING iG on the front page regarding VMS.  At a minimum, clear self advertising  I for VMS should start at their most visible access more, then front door! lG  The fact that even after clicking on the Small Business or Enterprise SH links, you STILL see nothing related to VMS; Both smell of nothing from I PC's!  Heck, even the main page for Compaq looks like a Dell want-to-be; rF No mention of VMS.  So, tell me, if someone comes to either the HP or I Compaq site, never knowing of VMS, do you really thing they are going to g learn anything about it?  H If HP wants to be known for PC's, great, but if they claim to be making E an concerted effort to wave the VMS flag, they could certainly start  F here without spending a dime and when they do have two nickels to rub H together as part of their post merger efficiency profits, they can then H start running ads in press rags like eWeek, Information Weekly, Network G Computing as well as major papers like the WSJ just to name a few; How DG about using some of those profits by returning to the method of giving sE away hardware and software to colleges who have IT programs, nothing  H better than indoctrinating the next generation on VMS (Oh, thats right, # Apple already stole that idea)...  u   Barryl   -- n  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:31:31 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now availableg/ Message-ID: <3E3999AA.5A42DEF2@vl.videotron.ca>i   Sue Skonetski wrote: > B > Looks like I really messed up.  Folks told me that this could beK > distributed, so I did.  However you need to get an HP person to order thee > CD.r  L Sorry to hear that marketing VMS is considered "messed up" :0-) :-) :-) :-)   ? Keep on messing up Sue, you'd doing a great job :-) :-) ;-) :-)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:07:30 -0500 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>a% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now availabler* Message-ID: <b1bt5p$d50$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  @ Looks like I really messed up.  Folks told me that this could beI distributed, so I did.  However you need to get an HP person to order thec CD.o   suej  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:b1bbh9$3ak$1@web1.cup.hp.com...L > this is the 5th note in 2 days to the newsgroup, I hope this one makes it. > ----Original Message-----i > From: Skonetski, Susan > * > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:04 AM >t > To: Skonetski, Susan >t' > Subject: OpenVMS @25 CD now availableh >c > Folks, >iC > I really recommend this CD, there is an excellent statement of HPe
 commitmentB > to VMS from Carly at the end. This is a keeper and excellent for
 customers.K > Many thanks go to Marc Courchesne and Jim Rainville for the excellent jobm > they did on this?  >k > Warm Regards,  >  > Suea >o >s >l> > New CD Celebrates 25 years of OpenVMS engineering excellence >uF > Celebrating 25 years and beyond of engineering excellence, the newlyL > produced CD OpenVMS@25 <mailto:OpenVMS@25> still exceeding expectations isL > now available. The CD includes a video which is equal parts recognition ofI > the achievements of the developers and current engineers of the OpenVMSuI > operating system; the evolution of an operating system that led it fromuI > being a primary a technical operating system, to a commercial operatingeF > system, to a high-availability, mission-critical enterprise businessI > operating system; and a look ahead to the future with the roadmaps thatiD > exemplify HP's long-term commitment to OpenVMS. To reinforce these messagesI > are on-camera appearances from Carly Fiorina, HP CEO, Mark Gorham, Vice J > President of OpenVMS Systems, and Terry Shannon, an industry analyst whoF > closely watched the advances of OpenVMS over the past 25 years. AlsoK > included on the CD is an OpenVMS@25 <mailto:OpenVMS@25> screensaver whichaJ > can be downloaded with the click of your mouse. Accompanying the CD is aB > fanfold booklet which pictorially highlights 25 years of OpenVMS engineeringiK > milestones. On the back side is an OpenVMS@25 <mailto:OpenVMS@25> poster.c >oJ > The new OpenVMS@25 <mailto:OpenVMS@25> CD is already generating a lot ofL > excitement with our customers and the field. The CD is available for order/ > through the Literature ordering interface at:u, > <http://www.webfulfillment.com/kpcorp/lit> >r3 > Partners, please enter through Partnership Web US?< > <http://partner.americas.hp.com> or Partnership Web Canada, > <http://www.hp.ca/pweb/scripts/index.html> >r > Pub #: 5981-3930EN >u >o >f   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:44:53 GMT?# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now available J Message-ID: <Vgf_9.163671$ej1.107282@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Ken Robinson" <ken.s.robinson.nospam@exxonmobile.com> wrote ino= message news:Xns9313753B81626ksrobinerenjcom@66.150.105.55... ( > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote inD > news:IAb_9.162052$ej1.158515@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com: >a > >ID > > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message( > > news:b1bbh9$3ak$1@web1.cup.hp.com... >-A > > Does the CD carry advance copies of the upcoming print and TVmA > > advertising campaign, featuring Carly and Mark, that is beingr launchedB > > for the operating system that HP has such a big commitment to? > >8C > > Oh, I forgot, Microsoft already pays for "those" ads, and Linuxo needsaE > > no advertising because HP execs speak about it in every utterancee they0 > > make publicly, unlike the subject of the CD. > >dE > > The longer VMS isn't actively advertised and marketed, the longere itD > > will be a marginal entity that the HP Board of Directors will be > > tempted to cease funding.y >b > Does thisd >m >fF <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.pdf> > F > count as new advertising?  True, I have only seen it on the web site andeB > not in the wild, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it pop up in some ofs > the technical media soon.a    + It's not bad as a start. But it needs work.   @ Too many 'fluff' photos - I don't know why that kind of stuff isA necessary in a marketing piece - if it's supposed to give one then= 'warm fuzzies', I'd rather see a picture of a teddy bear. :-)    Here's what I'd do:e+ 1) Get rid of the full-page 'fluff' photos.h  D 2) Get rid of the "'we'll look closely at running..." bit in the NewD Zealand Steel portion. That's pretty wishy-washy. If that's the bestE commitment they can put in a brochure like this, then HP is in plentydC of trouble.  HP would be better off putting a 'No Comment' from the.@ NSA as the response to the question "How do you use your OpenVMSE systems?" Hell, just use that along with the tagline at the bottom ofeB this post in some full page WSJ advertising. If nothing else it'll start a lot of 'buzz'.  C 3) Add more disaster-recovery stuff. As horrible as it is to think,/D but depending how it goes it's likely that companies in the U.S. areE going to need lots of it if George II launches a war with Iraq, maybe B not next month, but in the months and years to come...refresh yourD readings of Greek mythology and the Hydra. Boards of Directors couldC be held personally liable if they don't have DR. Why treat disaster-B recovery as special case when you can seamlessly weave it into theB fabric of your normal computing infrastructure and activities? AndC even if the worst man-made disasters doesn't happen, natural ones - B hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, tornados, and even tsunami happen
 often enough.d  B 4) Add some mention that HP is funding ISV's to bring thousands ofF applications to OpenVMS, including Sybase (I think that customers wantC a bit more choice than Oracle and Oracle Rdb and their license feesuE from hell). And if HP isn't doing this, hold off on advertising untilgE they have a few high profile fully supported for all customers ports,  like SAP and Sybase.  E 5) Just get rid of the Retain Trust and other similarly simple minded A initiatives and announce that HP, after careful consideration, isaC trashing the IA-64 and going to revitalize and restart a EV8+ AlphacF chip development effort for VMS, Tru64/HP-UX, NSK, and 64-bit Windows.F It would be cheaper in the long run, more credible, and more palatable
 to customers.@  @ 6) Place the resulting brochure in magazines like The Economist,E Forbes, Business Week, Fortune, and the usual collection of technicalpC magazines like Information Week, etc......a couple of ways of doing ? this - either as an insert/stapled in-place, or as one of thoseT8 stick-n-peel methods on the front cover of the magazine.  F 7) Or as an alternative to 6) above, place each page of the 'brochure'A as separate ad pages running sequentially every other page in theoD magazine, ie. on  sequential odd numbered pages in amongst editorialB content only. That way every time a reader turns a page to read anD article (not other companies advertising) they see OpenVMS (and each? page should have the word 'OpenVMS' and a suitable tagline likegE "High-Octane" or "Virus-Free" or "Unhackable" or "When Downtime Isn't/F An Option" at the top of the page). Odd pages are preferred due to theC way the human brain processes the 'image' of the pages as one flipsP pages.  E 8)  Scale/adapt the resulting brochure into a series of full-page ads)> for the major business newspapers worldwide. Again, sequential% odd-page placement is most effective.t  B 9) Get rid of the HP 'spaceman walking down the highway' TV ad andF advertise OpenVMS on TV instead. Use the stock exchanges and lotteriesF as the leading stories because that's where the biggest successes are.D Or use something to the effect of 'The best surprise is no surprise.= Running your business critical processes shouldn't be a riskyd= proposition. That's why countless stock exchanges, lotteries, < hospitals, telecommunications, and electrical generating and6 distribution companies worldwide use OpenVMS.' etc....  + 10) Repeat steps 4-7 repeatedly each month.l    B "OpenVMS. The best kept secret in computing for more than 25 yearsA isn't secret anymore." (c) 2003, John Smith. All Rights Reserved.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:50:37 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now available I Message-ID: <hmf_9.163702$ej1.25359@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:b1bt5p$d50$1@web1.cup.hp.com...B > Looks like I really messed up.  Folks told me that this could beA > distributed, so I did.  However you need to get an HP person tos	 order theo > CD.o    F Do you mean that an HP person can order one on behalf of a prospective *new* customer?wD Or do you mean that it can only be shown/given to existing customers under a NDA?& Or it's HP-internal only distribution?  E Somebody ought to install it on Carly's and Stallard's PC so it's theo first thing they see every day.H   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 16:05:27 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)e% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now available = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0301301605.51da12fe@posting.google.com>h  Z "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<3E3981A1.3000006@MMaz.com>...D > When you go to the main HP web site (www.hp.com), you see NOTHING " > on the front page regarding VMS.  C The initial page is pretty general.  But click on Software, and yourD see lots and lots of mentions of OpenVMS.  Click on Servers, and you see OpenVMS as well.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:06:10 GMTl# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now availablesI Message-ID: <Cdi_9.227985$pDv.49441@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>w  @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:b1bt5p$d50$1@web1.cup.hp.com...B > Looks like I really messed up.  Folks told me that this could beA > distributed, so I did.  However you need to get an HP person toG	 order the2 > CD.  >      Sue,  ? Tell Mark Gorham to get HP to start up a company, let's call itG? Digital Equipment Corporation for argument's sake. Roll all the E interesting assets - VMS, Tru64, Alpha, and Tandem into that company.O  A Then that company, well..the name's too long..let's shorten it top@ DEC...can have a little tag line at the bottom that reads "An HPA Company". And DEC can then go and develop and market its products- properly - this time.a  ? And it would be very focused, not having to deal with Wintel orhF printer nonsense. And did I mention that it would market and advertise
 its products?s  E HP split itself in half because they felt that Test & InstrumentationzB (Agilent) had nothing to do with PC's and printers. And enterprise@ computing too has nothing to do with Wintel and printers, so theF proposed split into DEC and HP also makes sense. Later when HP decidesF to get rid of their non-core holding in DEC, they can do a public IPO.A Or sell the whole shooting match to an interested buyer - say the  Chinese government.   C And everybody will be happy. Including Terry, who can resurrect SKDa< (or would that be SK Lucky Dragon Computer Corporation #4?).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:42:36 -0600s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now availabler' Message-ID: <3E39E29C.3628983B@fsi.net>S   Sue Skonetski wrote: > B > Looks like I really messed up.  Folks told me that this could beK > distributed, so I did.  However you need to get an HP person to order theo > CD.r   Oh, for the love of ...o   * Heartfelt Sigh *   Any psych. students out there?  < Is there a name for a syndrome congruous with such behavior?  F That is, they spend buku box on a CD presentation, then reduce to zero@ or less the possibility of it being an effective marketing tool.  C * CENSORED * !!!  Will someone *PLEASE* put us out of their misery?	   -- d David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:44:39 -0800m$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>% Subject: RE: VMS @25 CD now available@0 Message-ID: <01C2C898.1FA92C40@sulfer.icius.com>  F I just want /them/ put out of /my/ misery. Get the idiots out of Sue's" way, and let her get the job done.   ShaneR   -----Original Message-----6 From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]( Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:43 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now available.     Sue Skonetski wrote: > B > Looks like I really messed up.  Folks told me that this could beK > distributed, so I did.  However you need to get an HP person to order the  > CD.y   Oh, for the love of ...e   * Heartfelt Sigh *   Any psych. students out there?  < Is there a name for a syndrome congruous with such behavior?  F That is, they spend buku box on a CD presentation, then reduce to zero@ or less the possibility of it being an effective marketing tool.  C * CENSORED * !!!  Will someone *PLEASE* put us out of their misery?    -- i David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:35:20 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>e Subject: Re: VMS Jokes2 Message-ID: <BA5F12C9.35C7%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  G On 1/21/03 11:48 PM, in article b0km87$37e$1@helle.btinternet.com, "Rob ) Heyes" <rob.heyes@btopenworld.com> wrote:e  M > I was wondering if anyone had any VMS jokes. Bit mad, I know, but you know.  >  > If not, to get us started... > 7 > "I re-grep ever going to UNIX when VMS is far better"  >  > Ba doom chinga >  >   8 How about : the top 10 signs you are a VMS fanatic, from& http://www.jcameron.com/vms/topten.htm  2 1.    You know what happened on November 17, 1858.  G 2.    You don't bother to exit your editor when you leave on a two week 	 vacation.,  K 3.    You have to drive your car a long way to upgrade your "Other" clustere nodes.  H 4.    You know why the SHOW SYSTEM display had to have the System Uptime  field increased beyond 999 days.  G 5.    Your LOGIN.COM exceeds 200 blocks and is on it's 1000th revision.t  3 6.    You know the correct way of writing a date isa DD-MMM-YYYY.  K 7.    You have forgotten how to boot because your system has been up for so  long.d  I 8.    You use your OpenVMS system to backup important files from your PC.L  I 9.    You don't follow up an important VMS Mail message with a phone callt
 and a FAX.  9 10.    You understand that the "Open" is a silent prefix.n   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 16:08:50 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)m" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?3 Message-ID: <1zXUDe4$OWqy@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  R In article <uefh3voefi75oh8s4m3e49f4ljstcr7fsn@4ax.com>, Dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:E > On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:04:54 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:oL >>Well Dan, the verbage of the contract reads as follow (...and my copy has * >>yellowed but I'm sure it's still valid): >>M >>So, yes, the agreement does restrict the source listings to a location.  IneM >>my case, section 14 describes that place as the home office of yours truly.o >  > oh for gods sakes.H > this is EXACTLY what was wrong with VMS 28 years ago, and it's EXACTLY% > what is still wrong with VMS today.  > G > the overstuffed, pigheaded, pompous, self-righteous, holier than thoue  > snobbish, stuck-up, elitism... > F > I despise that crap. and its entirely what the open-source community > is designed to get rid of.  H If you prefer open-source software, the sources for Linux are available.K Some people prefer VMS, which is a proprietary (I use that term with pride)1 operating system.o  L Should I make a post in comp.os.linux (or whatever it is called) complainingM that I cannot distribute my own version of Linux and keep my changes secret ?   M >>I am not a lawyer -- and I'm thankful for that as I would hate to loathe mynM >>fellow man and worship the root of all evil -- but I am pretty sure that in N >>the realm of the lust for litigation types that the possession of the sourceG >>listings does not imply any rights to them or any rights to use them.T > ; > define "use". is "reading" therefore "use" ? but whatevero > F > ok so what yer saying is, in order for me to even LOOK at the stupidG > CDs, I have to travel to someone who has them and look at them there?   J The location rules are the terms whereby the source listings are licensed.H Whether there are terms other than full-time employment that would allow8 them to show you the source has not been discussed here.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:13:38 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?/ Message-ID: <3E397962.7D856578@vl.videotron.ca>n   Larry Kilgallen wrote:C > The agreement my company signed with HP restricts use to a single(0 > location and required us to name the location.   Location: Earthi   :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jan 2003 16:10:43 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?3 Message-ID: <FkLDWdqIjaKW@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  R In article <pafh3vom0n5qs4q7efi6t5ipsc70cuvlfb@4ax.com>, Dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:H > On 29 Jan 2003 21:51:50 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > wrote:C >>The agreement my company signed with HP restricts use to a single+0 >>location and required us to name the location. >  > who said anything about HP?n% > I dont have an agreement with HP...n  D So with whom did you sign the source listings license agreement thatD would give you the rights to use them ?  Compaq also had the "single location" rule.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:17:58 -0500t From: norm.raphael@metso.comS Subject: What and where is the bridge on page 5? (was Re: VMS @25 CD now available)y? Message-ID: <OFB702AF06.0F7C218D-ON85256CBE.007459BD@metso.com>.  - I guess we need a contest:  Name that Bridge!e      I From:  "Skonetski, Susan" <Susan.Skonetski@hp.com> on 01/30/2003 03:34 PM     7 Subject:    RE: What and where is the bridge on page 5?n     my guess is not NH!'   -----Original Message----- From: norm raphael( Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:17 PM To: Skonetski, Susan0 Subject: What and where is the bridge on page 5?     Hi Sue,u  J What and where is the bridge on page 5 (or it would be page 5 if the pages        were numbered ;-) )?s   >lG ><http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.pdf>l >a   -Norm         I From:  Ken Robinson <ken.s.robinson.nospam@exxonmobile.com> on 01/30/2003         11:13 AM   F Please respond to Ken Robinson <ken.s.robinson.nospam@exxonmobile.com>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:"  ( Subject:    Re: VMS @25 CD now available   [Snip]  	 Does thiso  F <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.pdf>  H count as new advertising?  True, I have only seen it on the web site andH not in the wild, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it pop up in some of the technical media soon.u   Ken Robinson   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.061 ************************  