0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 31 Jan 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 62      Contents:" Re: Alpha workstation floppy drive" Re: Alpha workstation floppy drive( Re: Alphaserver 4100 and Powerstorm 4D20= Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX . Announcing the first OpenVMS Technical Journal: Re: AXP/VMS disassembler, or locating an opcode in binary? Batch job log spec; Re: Booting VMS on AlphaServer 2100 4/275 w/ serial console * CARTS LUG meeting (Chicagoland) 5-Feb-2003) Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?) ) Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?) ) Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?) ) Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?)  Re: DEClaser 5100 update Re: DEClaser 5100 update Re: Disable IDE-Devices on AXP Re: dlsym problem.- Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question - Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question - Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question - Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question - Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question 7 Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question K How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night? P Re: How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night? " Re: Information on VMS web servers" RE: Information on VMS web servers9 Inspecting VMS SMTP email contents before it gets to user  Re: Moving CMS Mumps 	 Re: Mumps  Re: Mumps (DSM in particular)  RE: Mumps (DSM in particular) & Re: My e-mail sucks and I owe you beer& Re: My e-mail sucks and I owe you beer& Re: My e-mail sucks and I owe you beer Next Generation Launch Videos 9 Re: Next Generation Launch Videos (Microsoft format only) & Official Technical Journal announcment' OpenVMS Pearl please keep for reference , Re: PHP-MySQL-CSWS  (was Touchdown OpenVMS!) Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Rogues Gallery Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Submit at end of month?  Re: Touchdown OpenVMS! Understanding memory allocation  Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirth  Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS @25 CD now available Re: VMS source listings ?  VMS to message Oracle users?N Re: What and where is the bridge on page 5? (was Re: VMS @25 CD now available)> Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2003 04:45:11 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) + Subject: Re: Alpha workstation floppy drive * Message-ID: <b151sn$d1b$5@web1.cup.hp.com>  b In article <3e318e45$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:K :>Does anyone know how to get Open VMS 7.3 to recognize the floppy drive on  :>an alpha workstation 250?   G   There are far too many humorous answers possible here.  (Oh, ok, I'll K   post one: just show the AlphaStation a photograph of a floppy drive.  :-)     :The floppy on my Alpha is DVA0:  G   More seriously, the DVA0: floppy device works correctly on all of the E   local devices I am familiar with -- accordingly, we must be missing D   some details, commands, error messages, or configuration oddities.F   On a local AlphaStation 255 and on a local AlphaStation XP1000 (both;   OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1), the floppy drives see regular use.   "   Clustering?  Allocation classes?  H   If you have been inside the box and have disconnected the ribbon cableG   to the floppy drive during some of the activities -- and particularly D   if the disk drive light is on continuously -- the ribbon cable is !   probably connected incorrectly.   H   Install the ECOs and -- if you don't have the XFC ECO -- make sure the8   VCC_FLAGS parameter is set to one.  The usual stuff...  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2003 05:19:03 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) + Subject: Re: Alpha workstation floppy drive * Message-ID: <b153s7$d1b$6@web1.cup.hp.com>  f In article <3E3193C2.BB0006F2@clarityconnect.com>, "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:  I   Re: problems accessing an RX26 floppy disk on AlphaStation 200 series,  5       running OpenVMS Alpha V7.3, unknown ECO status.    :Ardee & Larry Tenison wrote:   2 :> Here are the commands and messages I am seeing: :>   :> $show dev/full dva0I :> (response is the same as shown in response message below, EXCEPT total J :> blocks was showing 2880 until I tried the INIT command, then it went to :> 1440) .. :> $init/dens=hd dva0 temp+ :> %NONAME-F-NOMSG, message number 0075A004 @ :> (appears to be some sort of unexpected initialization error?)  A   That looks more like some form of a fatal OpenVMS system error.   F   (I'm able to retrieve a rather unexpected LIMITCHANGED error for theB   error code, but that does not immediately look applicable here.)  G   Was this drive originally working and originally configured with this <   system, or is this drive transplanted from another system?  B   INITIALIZE/DENSITY=keyword -- ED: 2.88MB, HD: 1.44MB, DD: 720KB.  E   With a fatal error arising from INITIALIZE, I'd not expect to make     progress further.   (   Anything interesting in the error log?  I   The RX26 is often configured as a SCSI device using a SCSI-FDI adapter, H   and these are not usually permitted on multi-host SCSI configurations.@   (There are a couple of different variants of the RX26 around.)  G   If you were to boot the OpenVMS Alpha distribution kit on the box and G   exit to the $$$ DCL prompt, can you initialize the device from there?   J   You might get the following command to completely clobber and reload the   ISA configuration:       >>> isacfg -init     >>> init  H   If any of the settings specific to the mouse, keyboard, com ports, theI   parallel port, or the floppy has been altered at any time, this console I   incantation will clobber it and will reset values to the defaults.  The 
   command:       >>> isacfg -all   I   will display the current settings, if you wish to record these.  If you G   see a device field containing 8000000000000000 or 80000000, it is the F   default and need not be recorded.  If the console firmware has been I   shoveled around and has precipitated this problem -- and that is a very J   large "IF" -- this command might clear any dreck in the ISA device data.  G   You will want to ensure you have the most recent SRM firmware loaded, F   OS_TYPE set to VMS, current OpenVMS mandatory ECOs installed, etc...  E   Of course the other question is one of the media -- if the media is F   somehow faulty, you could easily get all manner of drive errors.  InF   other words, try to initialize a known-good and known-new HD floppy.G   (Chasing down bad media bugs is a classic fault isolation pitfall...)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:38:44 -0500 ! From: "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> 1 Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100 and Powerstorm 4D20 + Message-ID: <b1e7ha$m3c$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   > From limited testing on my 4100, (quad 400MHz and 1GB memory).  L VMS wouldn't load.  Kept crashing during bootup from the cd.  Don't rememberH the messages.  Easier to just use an 864 card for me.  Was recognized asF powerstorm 4d20 under SRM.  The machine came to me ready for WIN, (ARC) config'd) so maybe it works under win4.0.   K Loaded RH 7.2  X wouldn't work until I loaded 4.2 from source and compiled. ? Heard 4.1 and up supported but once I got it working was happy.   9 VMS worked great, (worlds faster than the 300-400 I have)    Dave  - Eventually loaded RH 7.2 and X 4.2 to support J Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote in message& news:3e396ceb_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com...K > It shouldn't make a difference.  It probably was not tested (the card was  > probably EOL by then). >  > - > "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message - > news:dYWZ9.1715$Y9.237183@zwoll1.home.nl... E > > I may be able to get a Alphaserver 4100. Don't know yet what type  exactly, > but I > > I'm quite sure it does not have a decent graphics card. Just a simple  one  > for  > > booting etc. > > K > > Now I do have a PWS500 with a Powerstorm 4D20, and I was thinking about  > movingL > > the 4D20 to the Alphaserver 4100. However it seems that the 4D20 is onlyK > > supported in the 300 MHz version of the 4100, and not in the 533 or 600  > MHz 
 > > versions.  > > H > > Can anyone tell me why that is, or has anyone had a 4D20 in a faster > version of > > the 4100 ? > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:22:23 -0500 * From: "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM>F Subject: Re: Announcing a port of GnuPG V1.2 for OpenVMS Alpha and VAX* Message-ID: <b18o6k$mc9$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  	 Hi Larry, L        Yes the Opensource Tools CD that comes with each release will contain# an updated snapshot of the Website. K      So what ever is out there when we do our next release will be captured " and shipped with the next release.
         - Leo    --
 Leo Demers  OpenVMS Security Product Manager Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM: "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:9W1n5EfUOKcX@eisner.encompasserve.org... 9 > In article <b16lk7$j9h$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Leo Demers"  <leo_dot_demers@HP.COM> writes:  > J > >         GnuPG for VAX and Alpha V1.2 is up and available for your use.J > >      Please go to the OpenVMS open source webpage to download the kit.2 > >      http://www.openvms.compaq.com/opensource/ > & > Will it eventually make it onto CD ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:33:18 -0500 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> 7 Subject: Announcing the first OpenVMS Technical Journal * Message-ID: <b160r1$9n0$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  C It is my pleasure to announce the availability of the first OpenVMS E Technical Journal. Sincere thanks go to the VTJ Team of Joan Winslow, K OpenVMS Documentation Manager; Warren Sander, OpenVMS Web Master; and Steve G Hoffman, Senior Member of Technical Staff. Special thanks to Suzy Kane, L Cindy Painter, and Carolyn Crowell for writing/editing support. Without them# this journal would not be possible.   3 To view the OpenVMS Technical Journal please visit: . http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/  
 Warm Regards,   
 Sue Skonetski    Editor   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2003 03:49:11 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) C Subject: Re: AXP/VMS disassembler, or locating an opcode in binary? * Message-ID: <b14ujn$d1b$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  _ In article <2003Jan23.214949@hujicc>, yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) writes:   # :  I have a complicated question... 9 :Is there a dis-assembler for AXP/VMS? I could find none.   G   The following assumes it is legal and permissible to reverse-engineer H   the code in question.  It may or may not be, as software contracts and$   local laws can and do vary widely.  H   I'll add more keywords -- disassemble, etc -- into the next edition ofI   the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions, as you undoubtedly searched the J   OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions for this and unfortunately missed theB   section "How can I patch an OpenVMS Alpha image?".  Start there.  G   To patch the image, you have to be familiar with the Alpha assembler, H   and instruction codes.  This instruction set information is referencedF   in the Frequently Asked Questions.  Start with the Alpha instruction.   manual, and learn about the instruction set.  I   There is a common assumption that one can acquire something potentially J   useful out of a disassembler -- most every disassembled code module I'veF   seen is hideously ugly and correspondingly difficult to read, as theG   compiler and particularly the code optimizers thoroughly mix the code J   together.  (The disassembled code is usually simply a translation of theH   source code back into native assembler -- whether or not the code was E   written in assembler -- and this translation is something that the  J   debugger and similar tools can also provide.  Symbolic names, high-levelK   constructs, and other such stuff is gone.)  The compiler's job is to make H   the code execute correctly and preferably quickly, and not to provide F   ways to acquire the original source code back -- again, higher-levelD   code constructs and corresponding structures are often effectivelyK   unneeded for execution, and are removed during the optimization process.    I   I'd be tempted to patch in the debugger bootstrap, and use the debugger J   to walk through the code.  Or punt the code and rewrite it.  If you wereG   to identify the company and product, someone might know more about it H   and who (if anyone) might be supporting it or who might have access to   any available source code.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:01:47 -0800 , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> Subject: Batch job log spec 5 Message-ID: <b1edmc$126daj$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>   8 I want to know the file spec of my batch job's log file./ (so I can mail it to operations to be checked).   $ I can see that f$getqui can do this:  ; x = f$getqui("DISPLAY_JOB","LOG_SPECIFICATION",,"THIS_JOB")   @ But I need to "establish context" for DISPLAY_JOB.  The examples> that "establish context" that I've found are all about looping- through a bunch of jobs, and I just want one.   , Can someone give me an example DCL,  Thanks,   Jim    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2003 03:57:56 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) D Subject: Re: Booting VMS on AlphaServer 2100 4/275 w/ serial console* Message-ID: <b14v44$d1b$2@web1.cup.hp.com>   In article <00A1A691.B3AE0094@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: K :So far so good.  When I tried to boot the 7.2-2 CD it complained about the M :firmware, so I upgraded the firmware (from the 5.4 Firmware CD).  Now when I M :try to boot the 7.2-2 CD, it seems to start up, but gets in a state where it G :keeps telling me to enter date and time but but doesn't respond to any L :keystrokes (or echo them, for that matter).  The message comes up every few2 :minutes, and the CD startup won't go any further.  G   Please see "Which terminal device name is assigned to the COM ports?" E   and "How do I boot an AlphaStation without monitor or keyboard?" in D   the FAQ, as a start.  (The time-prompt discussion is also present,D   but that's of less immediate interest than getting the console to    read and to echo the input.)  G :I guess the clock battery must have died, but this still seems like an G :unfortunate response.  I'd like to get VMS to get up further and do an  :installation.    F   If you get no input processed, then you have either connected to theH   wrong COM port, or some other hardware problem is lurking, or you haveG   a cabling problem.  (Busted wire, bent pin, etc.  The DB9 pin-out is     listed in the FAQ.)   L :The os_type console variable was set to UNIX before.   I don't know whether :that makes any difference.   D   You will have already reset os_type to VMS, and power-cycled, yes?    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:07:04 -0600 * From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dgudewicz@core.com>3 Subject: CARTS LUG meeting (Chicagoland) 5-Feb-2003 / Message-ID: <v3l7p9fddkf23e@corp.supernews.com>   ? For details see:  http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/carts/feb03.html    -- Dave...   G It is noble to teach oneself, but still nobler to teach others-and less  trouble. -----Mark Twain    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:23:38 -0500 , From: "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com>2 Subject: Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?)+ Message-ID: <b1dtd1$20i$1@news.process.com>   = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E397E21.DE56D155@vl.videotron.ca...  > "Doc.Cypher" wrote: J > > It isn't particularly easy to get current leased IP information out of myJ > > router so I just use a small Perl script that runs every 15 minutes to/ > > update their DNS tables with my current IP.  > C > I used to say the same, until I found a neat commad in my router:  > / > IP DHCP ENIF1 STATUS    (it is a netgear 314)  > J > It shows a lot of info about my lease with the ISP, including the number of& > seconds until renewall is scheduled. > I > So with that, I could, if I wanted, have vms check the router only just  after , > a renewall to see if anything has changed. > D > (But as it stands, the router is capable of automatically advising
 dyndns.orgL > of any changes to my IP address, but I have not used that ability so far).  H I would NOT turn the updates on.  I tried it on my Netgear MR-814 and it6 sent so many updates that I was disabled due to abuse.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:38:48 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 2 Subject: Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?); Message-ID: <01KRVZNPCBB89GV63L@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > I would NOT turn the updates on.  I tried it on my Netgear MR-814 and it9 > sent so many updates that I was disabled due to abuse.    G One of the DSL routers I recently bought has this "feature".  However,  ; dydns.org explicitly recommends against using this feature.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:37:45 GMT 1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) 2 Subject: Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?)8 Message-ID: <ZSv_9.5029$2y.312704@twister.austin.rr.com>  : Phillip Helbig (HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com) wrote:I : > I would NOT turn the updates on.  I tried it on my Netgear MR-814 and > : > it sent so many updates that I was disabled due to abuse.  : I : One of the DSL routers I recently bought has this "feature".  However,  = : dydns.org explicitly recommends against using this feature.  :   / Minor (?) nit: that's dyndns.org, not dydns.org   H The only reason I even mention it is that there is a "honeypot" domain,  dnydns.org.   F My VAXStation is jrlvax.dyndns.org. One day I made a typo while ftping  a file to it from clio.rice.edu:  &    /home/leslie> ftp jrlvax.dnydns.org"    Connected to jrlvax.dnydns.org.    220 FTP Server ready.*    Name (jrlvax.dnydns.org:leslie): system$    331 Password required for system.    Password:    530 Login incorrect.     Login failed.    ftp> quit    221 Goodbye.     /home/leslie>  F It took a few moments before I realized the system responding was NOT $ my VAXStation, as shown by nslookup:  +    /home/leslie> nslookup jrlvax.dyndns.org     Server:  moe.rice.edu    Address:  128.42.5.4       Non-authoritative answer:    Name:    jrlvax.dyndns.org     Address:  67.10.33.177   +    /home/leslie> nslookup jrlvax.dnydns.org     Server:  moe.rice.edu    Address:  128.42.5.4       Non-authoritative answer:    Name:    jrlvax.dnydns.org     Address:  217.172.178.151    B The dyndns.org staff have been notified of the "honeypot" domain, C which apparently somehow has gained access to the DNS records from  E dyndns.org. They are working to get the "honeypot" domain/system off  
 the internet.   H Anyone who has registered a dyndns.org node name should try an nslookup G of that name in the dnydns.org domain, and they find their node name in ? the "honeypot" domain, consider changing passwords immediately.     2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:24:16 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: DDNS (was Re: Was Doc's box cracked?)K Message-ID: <4jy_9.522107$F2h1.396499@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KRVZNPCBB89GV63L@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... E > > I would NOT turn the updates on.  I tried it on my Netgear MR-814  and it: > > sent so many updates that I was disabled due to abuse. > > > One of the DSL routers I recently bought has this "feature". However,= > dydns.org explicitly recommends against using this feature.  >   ) You may want to check http://www.tzo.com/   C They explicitly claim interoperability with Netgear hardware. Maybe & they've actually tested that it works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 04:55:52 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: DEClaser 5100 update / Message-ID: <3E3A3A16.8C7FAFFA@vl.videotron.ca>    Paul Williams wrote:I > Take a look at the Service Guide: http://vt100.net/docs/lnx09-sv/ (PDF,  > 3MB download).  / WOW !!!!! Many thanks. Very valuable document.    F It is an interesting disk drive. Quite compact. I was expecting a moreN "standard" disk drive. Or does it use laptop size disk drives fitted with some proprietary card for software ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:48:02 +0000 , From: Paul Williams <flo@uk.thalesgroup.com>! Subject: Re: DEClaser 5100 update 2 Message-ID: <3E3A2A32.35CB137A@uk.thalesgroup.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > @ > By the way, there is an option to ad a disk drive to the 5100. > < > Does anyone knwo WHERE the dick drive is actually fitted ?  G Open up the right side cover and remove the screw that latches the card B cage cover door. It is held to the video controller board by three screws.   ! The option is for a 127 MB drive.   G Take a look at the Service Guide: http://vt100.net/docs/lnx09-sv/ (PDF,  3MB download).   - Paul   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2003 04:28:41 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ' Subject: Re: Disable IDE-Devices on AXP * Message-ID: <b150tp$d1b$4@web1.cup.hp.com>   In article <D89EFABA49217E47B3DD46CF44051629328D8E@sblux047.schmidtbank.lux>, "Rhein Andreas" <Andreas.Rhein@SchmidtBank.lu> writes: : F :How can I disable by a SET command from the SRM/Boot Prompt the IDE =& :Devices on my AXP boxes (4100, DS20)?  J   What is your specific goal?   (One-line questions are often surprisinglyJ   difficult to answer -- the FAQ has some tips on the sorts of details andH   the sort of background information that can and often is required whenG   answering a question.  It is very easy to misunderstand the question, ?   and to answer a question that was not the intended question.)   %   What is your OpenVMS Alpha version?   C   What specifically are you trying to prevent by disabling the ATA  D   devices and -- if this is a question of system security -- who are   the expected attackers?   1   I will make a guess at the intended question...   G   Most Alpha systems have a console password implemented within the SRM G   console, and this mechanism can be used to prevent a casual user from )   bootstrapping off a non-default device.   H   Once OpenVMS has been bootstrapped, OpenVMS security mechanisms can beF   configured and used to disable non-privileged access to the ATA diskF   devices or to most any other OpenVMS device that might be configured   and present.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 06:00:32 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: dlsym problem. 3 Message-ID: <QTCITw+P9nKO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <96faaf36.0301302116.112e02e4@posting.google.com>, avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin) writes: j > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<SVtLIZXTMjaI@eisner.encompasserve.org>...j >> In article <96faaf36.0301300213.335ef1d4@posting.google.com>, avs@nikom.tagil.ru (Andrey Savin) writes: >>  / >> > I have problem with call a dlsym function.  >>  & >> >     pFunc = dlsym(pHnd, "XBELL"); >>  ? >> The VMS implementation of dlsym calls LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL.  >>  7 >> Are you sure that is the linker name of the symbol ?  >> It has no facility prefix.  > ( > Ok ! If I defined the logical name as 0 > define/exec myshare sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe > all works.  I That wasn't my guess, but I am glad you were able to solve your problem !    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 07:59:59 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)6 Subject: Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question3 Message-ID: <yyP1NfW5genE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3E398063.5FC60B88@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:L >> It's on the work list for the IO EXEC group.  But it is not a P0 item forF >> first ship, since the HP core logic chipset provides map registers. >   F [I am restricting my discussion to the PCI bus, as I have only written VMS drivers for PCI widgets.]    > P > I had been under the apparantly false impression that HP's "add ons" were justK > for performance. Does this mean that an HP IA64 box will be significantly P > different from one built by someone else , should someone else decide to build > such ? >   E The main issue here, JF, is one of functionality and not performance.   D If a VMS supplied device driver for a specific PCI widget absolutelyD requires mapping registers in order to do DMA transfers, and mappingA registers are not available on the generic IA-64 box that you are I trying to use VMS on, then that means that you cannot run that VMS driver G on that generic box, so you would have to supply your own device driver ? in order to use that widget with VMS on your generic IA-64 box.   E If, on the other hand, your VMS driver checks to see what options are @ available to it, and can select another option such as using theI PCI Direct DMA window (if the memory/device configuration allows), or the H lower performance buffer copies method, then that means that you can runA VMS out of the box with that widget on your generic IA-64 system.   7 Are all the disk controllers on IA-64 boxes PCI based ?    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       & "This is VMS. Viruses are irrelevant."   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 10:37:05 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question3 Message-ID: <MZrRixQPgsEr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <yyP1NfW5genE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:  G > If, on the other hand, your VMS driver checks to see what options are B > available to it, and can select another option such as using theK > PCI Direct DMA window (if the memory/device configuration allows), or the J > lower performance buffer copies method, then that means that you can runC > VMS out of the box with that widget on your generic IA-64 system.   H But if your parenthetical requirement is not met, then it will not work.F I think it is simpler to just say that VMS requires mapping registers.G Solutions that allow it to operate without mapping registers only under F certain conditions are messy to describe and put forward a shaky image for VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:02:17 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> 6 Subject: Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question, Message-ID: <3e3aac1d_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E398063.5FC60B88@vl.videotron.ca...  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:I > > It's on the work list for the IO EXEC group.  But it is not a P0 item  for G > > first ship, since the HP core logic chipset provides map registers.  >  > K > I had been under the apparantly false impression that HP's "add ons" were  justK > for performance. Does this mean that an HP IA64 box will be significantly J > different from one built by someone else , should someone else decide to build  > such ? >   K Are map register performance or functionality?  It's functionality supplied  for performance G in that it A) can provide access to the 64-bit address space for 32-bit  devices, and B) : provide scatter-gather for devices without scatter gather.  G > If Windows is built for a "generic" IA64, does this mean that it will  simplyA > ignore the HP additional goodies (and thus not benefit from any  performance E > advantage HP might offer on IA64 versus another vendor selling IA64 
 machines ? >   L I imagine windows determines the capabilities from ACPI.  The Windows driver	 interface I makes this transparent to the driver writer - on Windows you just ask for  the DMA bufferG to be setup and call a completion routine.  NT will direct map, use map 
 registers, or  buffer copy as needed.  H > Or would there be an HP-proprietary version of Windows compiled to use those I > features not present on machines that could be built by other vendors ?    Not that I know of.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:09:42 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> 6 Subject: Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question. Message-ID: <3e3aadd7$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  G "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in 5 message news:yyP1NfW5genE@eisner.encompasserve.org... : > In article <3E398063.5FC60B88@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei) <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > 9 > Are all the disk controllers on IA-64 boxes PCI based ?  >   L Itanium2 systems are all "legacy free"... which means no ISA bridge (no junkL IO, no PS2 KB/Mouse, no square wave generator, etc).  Busses seem to be PCI,F PCI-X, AGP - which are all pretty much the same as PCI with additionalI capabilities.  USB seems to be standard as well (PCI device).  There is a K legacy port IO address space, but for Itanium2 systems we have no plans for F any devices that might use it, although we did hack and use it for the Itanium1 systems.   H The first disk drivers you should expect are IDE (PCI device), LSI Logic8 Ultra160, and at least by H104 - the LSI Logic Ultra320.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:52:04 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> 6 Subject: Re: DMA on IA-64, was: Re: EV7, ES47 question, Message-ID: <3e3ab7c6_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:MZrRixQPgsEr@eisner.encompasserve.org... 5 > In article <yyP1NfW5genE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, D clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: > I > > If, on the other hand, your VMS driver checks to see what options are D > > available to it, and can select another option such as using theI > > PCI Direct DMA window (if the memory/device configuration allows), or  the L > > lower performance buffer copies method, then that means that you can runE > > VMS out of the box with that widget on your generic IA-64 system.  >sJ > But if your parenthetical requirement is not met, then it will not work.H > I think it is simpler to just say that VMS requires mapping registers.I > Solutions that allow it to operate without mapping registers only undereH > certain conditions are messy to describe and put forward a shaky image
 > for VMS.  C Yes, what is fair to say is that today OpenVMS Alpha *requires* theoJ avilability map registers on system platfornms. Drivers can use the directK DMA window as an optimization alternative.  Ultimately, drivers can use BAP  and buffer IO.  % This only pertains to 32-bit devices.   L On some *future* Itanium2 box (perhaps a generic Intel box) there may not beI map registers, and any VMS driver written to "assume" the availability of7 map registers - will fail.  J When that someday comes, VMS plans to have a new DMA setup model availableH that is akin to the NT, or Linux interfaces - which will pick the "best"I available method for the DMA.  The OLD stuff will still be there, but newtH drivers can use the interface so that they don't have to worry about it.  D Of course, as 64-bit devices become the norm this will all fade into
 obscurity.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 08:31:28 -0800+ From: seanobanion@attbi.com (Sean O'Banion)h@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question= Message-ID: <f883d5a4.0301310831.1df1133b@posting.google.com>s  H > Yes.  ATI is more-or-less making a PCI version of the 7500 just for usI > (I think because we're the only ones who asked).  The plan is for it toiF > be supported anywhere a VX1 can be plugged in - which is pretty muchI > all the EV6 platforms.  We are using the PCI version for debug, and aret= > using XP1000's, DS10's, DS20's, ES45's, and Marvel systems.t > A > Note:  We may or may not "support" the XP1000 - or at least notlI > support multi-head on it - it needs new firmware that hasn't been done.   E Does this mean that there is a "special" version of the 7500 for VMS?y) Or can I use the $76 one that Amazon has?e    
 Sean O'Banione   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:13:53 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>n@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question. Message-ID: <3e3aaed2$1_1@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  : "Michael Rice" <MichaelARice@knology.net> wrote in message) news:v3jpgfgjuk31c9@corp.supernews.com...M > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:5 > > "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message ( > > news:00A1AB4A.3E921C1C.3@decus.de... > >sF > >>"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote: > >> > >>F > >>I wasn't asking for "dual head" support, just for native DVI, i.e." > >>"real" digital video, support. > >> > >  > > < > > I was just noting this.  Someone would have asked later. > >p > >vI > >>I suppose analog inputs for flatpanel displays will be present for atwG > >>least five years from now. Based on my personal experience (from PC ? > >>systems -- but that should not be an issue here) there is ayJ > >>significant degradation in quality if a flatpanel display is connectedG > >>to the analog (VGA) output of a graphics controller; I guess that'sS0 > >>due to clock frequency and phase variations. > >> > >n > >lL > > I'm not arguing that support for the DVI isn't a "good thing".  However,D > > traded off against other priorities, it isn't a P0 for the first release. > >  > >dG > >>Will there be a PCI variant of this adapter (for EV6x systems) too?l > >> > >o > > J > > Yes.  ATI is more-or-less making a PCI version of the 7500 just for usK > > (I think because we're the only ones who asked).  The plan is for it tohH > > be supported anywhere a VX1 can be plugged in - which is pretty muchK > > all the EV6 platforms.  We are using the PCI version for debug, and are ? > > using XP1000's, DS10's, DS20's, ES45's, and Marvel systems.y > >eC > > Note:  We may or may not "support" the XP1000 - or at least not K > > support multi-head on it - it needs new firmware that hasn't been done.f > >  > >- > >- >-F > I would like to submit a begging/pleading request for support of theF > XP1000.  I don't necessarily need dual-head support, but it would be  > great to upgrade the graphics. >n  5 The primary 3D developer uses an XP1000 for his work.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:20:00 -0500-A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>(@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question, Message-ID: <3e3ab042_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  8 "Sean O'Banion" <seanobanion@attbi.com> wrote in message7 news:f883d5a4.0301310831.1df1133b@posting.google.com...aJ > > Yes.  ATI is more-or-less making a PCI version of the 7500 just for usK > > (I think because we're the only ones who asked).  The plan is for it to>H > > be supported anywhere a VX1 can be plugged in - which is pretty muchK > > all the EV6 platforms.  We are using the PCI version for debug, and area? > > using XP1000's, DS10's, DS20's, ES45's, and Marvel systems.e > >wC > > Note:  We may or may not "support" the XP1000 - or at least not K > > support multi-head on it - it needs new firmware that hasn't been done.a >nG > Does this mean that there is a "special" version of the 7500 for VMS?r+ > Or can I use the $76 one that Amazon has?p >e  J As far as I know, the 7500 is only available in an AGP version.  I have toI think that if you have a VMS system with an AGP on it, you probably don'tnJ care about saving the small $ delta - since you either own a Marvel, or an ES45.   K ATI is making a PCI version, at our request, and I think we are pretty muchfK the only customer.  I haven't heard if they are making it a general producth thatJ they generally ship to resellers.  But I don't know.  It's pretty much the AGP < parts with PCI level shifter/buffers on it as far as I know.  K Besides, why stiff us?  In the end it will just make it look like nobody isf buyingK VMS graphics, and cause us to "prove" all over again that we need to do it.i   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jan 2003 11:59 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o@ Subject: Re: Graphics support on VMS, was RE: EV7, ES47 question- Message-ID: <31JAN200311590098@gerg.tamu.edu>n  r In article <3e3ab042_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes... } 9 }"Sean O'Banion" <seanobanion@attbi.com> wrote in messageo8 }news:f883d5a4.0301310831.1df1133b@posting.google.com...K }> > Yes.  ATI is more-or-less making a PCI version of the 7500 just for usgL }> > (I think because we're the only ones who asked).  The plan is for it toI }> > be supported anywhere a VX1 can be plugged in - which is pretty muchIL }> > all the EV6 platforms.  We are using the PCI version for debug, and are@ }> > using XP1000's, DS10's, DS20's, ES45's, and Marvel systems. }> >D }> > Note:  We may or may not "support" the XP1000 - or at least notL }> > support multi-head on it - it needs new firmware that hasn't been done. }>H }> Does this mean that there is a "special" version of the 7500 for VMS?, }> Or can I use the $76 one that Amazon has? }> } K }As far as I know, the 7500 is only available in an AGP version.  I have toa  D If you go to the ATI web site (www.atitech.ca) you'll find that theyE have a PCI version (you can even buy one from their online store - at-E least, I assume you can: I couldn't get to their online store page asiD it didn't like Netscape 303's SSL options due to insufficient bits).  J See, for example, the second line in the system specifications section of:  7 http://mirror.ati.com/products/pc/radeon7500/specs.html.  E (which doesn't mention the Itanium, BTW). It is also mentioned in the % monitor support section on that page.m   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 07:15:11 -0800$ From: svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth)T Subject: How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night?= Message-ID: <5a85bce2.0301310715.4400a016@posting.google.com>    Hi:   * I'll admit that we got caught by surprise.  F My manager *swears* that he was not contacted by HP/Compaq and given a chance to renew.  F When I was on the phone with the Customer Support Center in the middleB of the night, the person helping me said I was the third or fourth7 CSLG site to call since midnight with the same problem.t  
 -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:26:21 -0600r1 From: Daniel & Hezra Moore <moore@redriverok.com>cY Subject: Re: How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night? n- Message-ID: <3E3AA3AC.13F9BEA@redriverok.com>    Wow,  C   That stinks. I can't remember if we were notified or not, but the H renewel is a part of our standard budgeting process so we were ready. We< have been bit by that before, and now we watch it carefully.   Dan    Scott Vieth wrote:   > Hi:  >e, > I'll admit that we got caught by surprise. > H > My manager *swears* that he was not contacted by HP/Compaq and given a > chance to renew. >uH > When I was on the phone with the Customer Support Center in the middleD > of the night, the person helping me said I was the third or fourth9 > CSLG site to call since midnight with the same problem.  >  > -Scott :^)      K -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- G    http://www.newsfeed.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!:M -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =-----n   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jan 2003 09:37 CDT8' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) + Subject: Re: Information on VMS web servers - Message-ID: <31JAN200309374133@gerg.tamu.edu>s  0 "Arindam" <arindam-dsp@sail-steel.com> writes...- }This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   G Mimes are evil. They should all be locked up in invisible boxes (exceptMG maybe Marcel Marceau - probably the only decent mime ever in the entirenF history of the universe, or perhaps there is some law of phsysics thatG makes it possible for there to be only one good one at a time and he ise it).   }Hi !dH }I am new to this group and would like to say Hi! to all you floks out = }there.lJ }Here in my organisation we are having VAX 3400 and 3800 systems running = }on VMS 5.5-2.J }I would like to know if there is any internet browsers available on VMS =J }for our platform. Is it also possible to have ASP like programs running =K }on such browsers if there are any. Also where can I get the software for =  }this. }  }Bye }  }Arindam Paul=20  9 On that, I suspect that your one and only option is Lynx.>   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:40:14 -0800r$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>+ Subject: RE: Information on VMS web serversa0 Message-ID: <01C2C915.248D4750@sulfer.icius.com>  F I think there was an old version of Mosaic that worked on that version8 of VAX VMS, couldn't say where you'd find it now though.   Shanei   -----Original Message-----4 From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gerg.tamu.edu]& Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:37 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com/+ Subject: Re: Information on VMS web serversr    0 "Arindam" <arindam-dsp@sail-steel.com> writes...- }This is a multi-part message in MIME format.m  G Mimes are evil. They should all be locked up in invisible boxes (except G maybe Marcel Marceau - probably the only decent mime ever in the entire9F history of the universe, or perhaps there is some law of phsysics thatG makes it possible for there to be only one good one at a time and he isM it).   }Hi ! H }I am new to this group and would like to say Hi! to all you floks out = }there. H }Here in my organisation we are having VAX 3400 and 3800 systems running =o }on VMS 5.5-2.H }I would like to know if there is any internet browsers available on VMS =nH }for our platform. Is it also possible to have ASP like programs running =sE }on such browsers if there are any. Also where can I get the softwaren for =i }this. }  }Bye }  }Arindam Paul=20  9 On that, I suspect that your one and only option is Lynx.    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 08:18:51 -0800# From: sol@adldata.com (Sol Gongola)eB Subject: Inspecting VMS SMTP email contents before it gets to user= Message-ID: <a7337236.0301310818.6fe174a7@posting.google.com>h  : I need to programmatically intercept email received by VMS< and inspect it before it gets POPped to its final recipient.9 The intent is to catch executable attachments and modify p4 those emails with an embedded warning, or change the8 attachment suffix to make it not immediately executable.  9 I searched the documentation for 'hook' functions during t: TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.COM processing to let me 8 get at the message or at least give me the smtp message 7 file name so that i can work with it but couldn't find m	 anything.c  = Is there any other place this information might be available?t  , Current platform is VMS 7.2-1 with TCPIP 5.1  	 Thank youh Sol Gongolae   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jan 03 07:19:53 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)n Subject: Re: Moving CMSn) Message-ID: <uQ7244cKY0ti@elias.decus.ch>t  [ In article <f6udneb1-rkwZqqjXTWc3A@giganews.com>, "David Gray" <police@spamcop.net> writes:  > Greetings all, > L > Having problems with CMS libraries that have been moved from an Alpha 4000  > server (CMS Version V3.9-2) to* > an Alpha Server ES45 (CMS Version V4.1). >    <snip>   > For example: > H > The CMS command $CMS MOD LIB /REFERENCE=JD4:[XPS_REFLIB] throws up the > following error.$ > CMS> mod lib /ref=JD4:[HLP_REFLIB] > _Remark: New location<; > %CMS-E-NOMODIFY, error modifying library JD4:[HLP_CMSLIB] J > -CMS-E-NOEXTENDEDREF, extended filenames are not available for reference > copy directory > K > How can I change the device for this reference copy lib without resortingE > to...g  h > OpenVMS  is V7.3-1 >    <snip>  E There is an ECO which addresses this problem. See the cover letter atl  ; http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2/cms/4.1/g   "ECO Kit CMSAE01041 Descriptions  ------------------------------e  F  This ECO kit contains thirteen fixes to Compaq CMS for OpenVMS Alpha:    E   1.  Require Ref Copy to be on ODS-5 disk only if extended_filenamesP       attribute set on library"I  $ It fixed it the same problem for me.   -- o
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:38:39 +0100o3 From: "Negrita" <negrita.news.invalid@web2news.net>  Subject: Mumps$ Message-ID: <13554N519@web2news.com>  E Does Anyone know if there are any online manuals for Standard DigitalmH Mumps/Operations. I have been asked to reseach it but know nothing about! it. Any help would be appreciatedg --  4 Direct access to this group with http://web2news.com  http://web2news.com/?comp.os.vms   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jan 03 08:20:40 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com. Subject: Re: Mumps( Message-ID: <RRg0Je$4slnJ@cpva.saic.com>  $ In article <13554N519@web2news.com>,6  "Negrita" <negrita.news.invalid@web2news.net> writes:G > Does Anyone know if there are any online manuals for Standard DigitallJ > Mumps/Operations. I have been asked to reseach it but know nothing about# > it. Any help would be appreciated  > --    * ftp://ftp.intersys.com/pub/openm/dsm/docs/   - Jimg   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 06:03:26 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)l& Subject: Re: Mumps (DSM in particular)3 Message-ID: <JLPXaDD9np9X@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  Z In article <13554N519@web2news.com>, "Negrita" <negrita.news.invalid@web2news.net> writes:G > Does Anyone know if there are any online manuals for Standard Digital,J > Mumps/Operations. I have been asked to reseach it but know nothing about# > it. Any help would be appreciatedl  2 The current vendor is InterSystems, if that helps.  D They may still support DSM, but their emphasis is on their successor product, Cache'.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:58:34 -0000i- From: "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com>y& Subject: RE: Mumps (DSM in particular)E Message-ID: <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CAE3E@tahiti.tinuk.com>h   >-----Original Message-----S8 >From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=20 >Sent: 31 January 2003 12:03 >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com' >Subject: Re: Mumps (DSM in particular)Q >  >./ >In article <13554N519@web2news.com>, "Negrita"p, <negrita.news.invalid@web2news.net> >writes:H >> Does Anyone know if there are any online manuals for Standard Digital  H >> Mumps/Operations. I have been asked to reseach it but know nothing=20* >> about it. Any help would be appreciated >u3 >The current vendor is InterSystems, if that helps.e >gE >They may still support DSM, but their emphasis is on their successore product, Cache'.  F Yes, Intersystems still support DSM, along with Cache. The differencesG are mostly with presentation if you like - the underlying stuff, ie the-A code, is still Mumps. We write our software in both Cache and DSM D environments, and the management of the products is quite different.  H What exactly are you [original poster] after? Mumps coding documentationG or management/operations guides? When you say 'research it' what do you3 mean?=20  H Perhaps this question could be better answered in comp.lang.mumps or you could try the following links;  A http://platinum.intersystems.com/index.html [Cache Documentation]a  G http://mtechnology.intersys.com/support/documentation/docdownloads.html  [DSM, ISM etc Docs]   ? http://www.e-dbms.com/index.html [Intersystems Cache home page]   A http://mtechnology.intersys.com/index.html [Intersystems M stuff]a   Cheers   Steve Spires Technical Consultant Torex Health   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jan 03 07:59:59 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) / Subject: Re: My e-mail sucks and I owe you beere) Message-ID: <Sw6Mm7WmK6Na@elias.decus.ch>c   In article <rdeininger-2901032138570001@user-2ive10q.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: L > In article <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA165AB@misnts1.dalsemi.com>,0 > John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote: >  > L >>I am having MS Exchange and client problems - I am sending as "Plain text"' >>and the server refuses to believe me.e >>My NT admins could care less.:3 >>So I will look for better ways to resolve this.  V >>M >>I am told that it is working now and that does not get me out of buying theo >>beer.e >>0 >>I guess I am buying the beer (or coffee) then. > K > My help desk has been investigating this problem (they claim) for about 3uL > weeks, and they have yet to offer a working way to get plain text messages > from Outhouse/Expunge. > L > Even if they succeed, I won't pay them the 100 Quatloos, since it is theirL > job to figure this stuff out.  They will have to ask management to pay the > Quatloos as a bonus.  G Coincidentally, I have just received a load of info about our impendinge move to Exchange.   B Judging by the quality of that info, I am optimistic that they can: get this one right. Don't spend those 100 Quatloos yet :-)  K Hopefully we won't have to bring references to Battersea power station into, this thread... :-)  ' Now a general message to Outlook users:e  E Outlook favours top posting, putting the original post at the bottom.aG Recently there have been rather too many posts when I have found myself C paging/scrolling down multiple screens of stuff I have read before.t  K For the sake of us who don't use Outlook to access news, and those still ong/ dial up access, please trim the excess baggage.S  D The strange paradox is that now I have broadband, download times andD dial up charges are no longer the issue they were, but that has beenH replaced with manual labour in the form of extra keyboard or mouse  work/ to get past lengthy quotes and swathes of MIME.n   -- O
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:50:26 GMTr- From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)4/ Subject: Re: My e-mail sucks and I owe you beer & Message-ID: <H9KJ42.M44@world.std.com>  J In article <1809DA15308DD51180EE00508BCF21940DA165AB@misnts1.dalsemi.com>,/ John Brandon  <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote:a  L > I am having MS Exchange and client problems - I am sending as "Plain text"' > and the server refuses to believe me.f > My NT admins could care less.p3 > So I will look for better ways to resolve this.     C Assuming that you're stuck in PC hell, I'd suggest taking a look atm/ PC-Pine, the Win32 version of Pine for Windows:e  7    <http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/pcpine.html>a  I Every place I've been where Exchange is in use, you can still access your"F mail inbox through IMAP on the Exchange server, and you can still send messages using SMTP on it.  A Getting it all setup can be a little hairy, but the University of * Washington Pine FAQ covers it pretty well.  $    <http://www.washington.edu/pine/>  I Alternatively, if there's an e-mail program that runs under VMS that also G supports IMAP, you should be in decent shape.  And if perhaps you can'tmG sneak your own little VAX or Alpha into work and put it on the network,aH you /might/ still be able to install one of the VAX emulators on your PC there, and load VMS on that.  #    <http://simh.trailing-edge.com/>   
 Best of luck.t   -brian.a -- aF --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----D           "A tree or shrub can grow and bloom. I am always the same.5                          But I am clever." -- Racter.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:28:50 -0500e; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>-/ Subject: Re: My e-mail sucks and I owe you beer:$ Message-ID: <3e3a9625$1@news.si.com>  J >Every place I've been where Exchange is in use, you can still access yourG >mail inbox through IMAP on the Exchange server, and you can still sendt >messages using SMTP on it.1  H Very shortly, my company will be switching to Outlook and Exchange (evenF though the management has been shown how detrimental and how much moreL expensive that will be).  The Exchange servers will be hosted and run by HP.# IMAP will not be an allowed option.r -- dI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com35 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.u@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:41:45 -0500 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>d& Subject: Next Generation Launch Videos* Message-ID: <b1e90f$l9c$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   From: Sander, Warren  ( Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:35 PM   To: Skonetski, Susan  & Subject: RE: Marvel Launch Information  @ you should point everyone to the 'next generation video tour' at  . http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/nextgen/  A 14 video's included the launch one with carly saying nice things.   
 Warren Sander5   OpenVMS WWW Webmaster>   World Wide eBusiness (hp.com)3   Hewlett-Packard Company4   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 11:19:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)rB Subject: Re: Next Generation Launch Videos (Microsoft format only)3 Message-ID: <rrXL6MOsgDSm@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  b In article <b1e90f$l9c$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:  B > you should point everyone to the 'next generation video tour' at > 0 > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/nextgen/ > C > 14 video's included the launch one with carly saying nice things.n  9 Actually you should only point the Microsoft users to it. * I see no QuickTime rendition on that page.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:46:57 -0500m5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> / Subject: Official Technical Journal announcment * Message-ID: <b18m0k$lal$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  C It is my pleasure to announce the availability of the first OpenVMS H Technical Journal.  Sincere  thanks go to the  VTJ Team of Joan Winslow,K OpenVMS Documentation Manager; Warren Sander, OpenVMS Web Master; and Steve G Hoffman, Senior Member of Technical Staff. Special thanks to Suzy Kane, L Cindy Painter, and Carolyn Crowell for writing/editing support. Without them# this journal would not be possible.-  3 To view the OpenVMS Technical Journal please visit: . http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/journal/
 Warm Regards,o
 Sue Skonetski- Editor   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:59:08 -0500o5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>.0 Subject: OpenVMS Pearl please keep for reference* Message-ID: <b18mng$lkn$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Vodaphone and Storage:  ; http://h18006.www1.hp.com/storage/casestudies/vodafone.htmln  - Wall Street Systems and Marvel EV7 Benchmark:0  1 http://www.wallstreetsystems.com/news/hpbench.htm.   Korean Stock Exchange:  L http://domino.omgroup.com/www/ombulletinboard.nsf/21d74cf5a8def809c1256ad2004 411a1f/baf61a6443a19e6480256c6f00524aa2!OpenDocument  * EasyEntry Forms Application moving to IPF:  ! http://www.easyentry.com/News.htm    Minneapolis Grain Exchange:c  5 http://www.mgex.com/news/news_releases/release28.html,  + DABS.com Wins eBusiness Award with OpenVMS:d  < http://www.synergex.com/news/announcementsdetail.asp?id=1662   JSTARS Announcement:  - http://h18003.www1.hp.com/hps/news/jstar.html    London Health Sciences  L http://www.compaq.ca/English/enterprise/success/government/LondonHealth.htm>  ; Dataglider and OpenVMS - Web enabling existing applications   * http://www.dataglider.com/news/press4.html  1 http://www.mimer.com/news.asp?secId=176&itemId=81o  7 Australian Auto Dealers Gear Up to Mimer SQL on OpenVMSR  ( http://www.coda.com/newsroom/news102.asp  G CODA-Intelligence Aplication now available against AS/400 (iSeries) and0 OpenVMS platformso   DEP CIO Award Winner:e  * http://www.cio.com/archive/020102/dep.html  ! Swiftbase - OpenVMS Applications:i   http://www.swiftbase.com/t   Tyson Foods:  < http://h18020.www1.hp.com/newsroom/pr/2002/pr2002040805.html  3 eSpeed Lifts Cantor Fitzgerald (Disaster tolerance)   1 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,40716,00.aspo   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:45:49 +0100t0 From: "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1>5 Subject: Re: PHP-MySQL-CSWS  (was Touchdown OpenVMS!) / Message-ID: <zts_9.185$R83.46@news.cpqcorp.net>o  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:3E39F8BB.ADB29CBC@firstdbasource.com... > Michael Austin wrote:l* > BTW, the mySQL server is on a Linux box.   Helloy  K I know that the port of Mysql on Vms was running smoothly and I think it isr$ should be available really soon now.   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:19:59 GMT ) From: Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>  Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery ' Message-ID: <3E3A3F6F.F24354C6@ev1.net>    Bob Kaplow wrote:x > 0 >         [snip...]      [snip...]     [snip...] > K > The picture of the job I always wanted was in the "PRO" handbook: The guyiK > lying on a lounge chair on his deck, overlooking the cape,  PRO under the 2 > chair, dog at his feet. I *STILL* want that job. > E I always thought that pool-side software development would be a greateC idea. Free non-alcoholic drinks served on little trays with snacks. ; Of course, each programmer would have his own lounge chair.e >e: >         26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy= >         Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  > K >         Homeland Security Administration: The Gestapo of the 21st Centuryo >AF And the man from Pennsylvania is the new man with the little mustache.F Frankly, I always thought the attorney general was a bit of a fascist.   -- e? +-------------------------------------------------------------+f? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   |r? +-------------------------------------------------------------+g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:13:22 +0000o+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk>h Subject: Re: Rogues Galleryc8 Message-ID: <p1jk3vcu5olqs7jqp5tkcka5jlh6o6onq9@4ax.com>  L On 30 Jan 2003 18:36:54 -0600, kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) wrote:  J >The picture of the job I always wanted was in the "PRO" handbook: The guyJ >lying on a lounge chair on his deck, overlooking the cape,  PRO under the1 >chair, dog at his feet. I *STILL* want that job.s  I Impractical as a rule, as most displays aren't bright enough to cope with0L external light conditions, but yes it was a great picture.  I still remember6 it, on particularly gloomy days under leaden skies ;-)     	Johne   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:37:19 -0600 (CST)o& From: Drew Shelton <DREW@SEMATECH.Org> Subject: Re: Rogues Gallery - Message-ID: <01KRVNBCWAV000I35Q@SEMATECH.Org>k  L On 30 Jan 2003 18:36:54 -0600, kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) wrote:  J >The picture of the job I always wanted was in the "PRO" handbook: The guyJ >lying on a lounge chair on his deck, overlooking the cape,  PRO under the1 >chair, dog at his feet. I *STILL* want that job.l  H Someone had a poster of that picture in his office where I worked at the% time.  We all stared longingly at it.i  L ============================================================================6 Drew Shelton                         drew@sematech.org9 VMS Systems Manager                  office: 512-356-7575h9 Sematech                             fax:    512-356-7600u 2706 Montopolis Drive4K Austin, TX 78741-6499                I speak for myself only, not Sematech.nB     "OpenVMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!"I                                                         - Compaq, 9/22/98 L ============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:26:01 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>a Subject: Re: Rogues Galleryw' Message-ID: <3E3A9589.763D4E72@vcu.edu>   G i know... it's like we're all disconnected voices in cyberspace....  inW* the server, no-one can hear you scream!!!!   Jim Agnew, punchy on Friday....e   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > : > In article <q9si3v0ioa7an5pfrfedmj4p219e62g2cl@4ax.com>,7 >         Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes:rG > > On 30 Jan 2003 18:26:29 GMT, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon),
 > > wrote: > >4 > >>D > >>You mean that isn't Megan on Page 210 of the PDP-11 Architecture
 > >>Handbook?vJ > >>         http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page210.jpg > >> > >>Or Hoff on Page 52?tI > >>         http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page52.jpge > >># > >>Or even Bob Supnik on Page 265?tJ > >>         http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/PDP11/Rogues_Gallery/Page265.jpg > >2H > > Definitely not Megan (I know what she looked like in those days) andI > > the "Hoff" picture doesn't look like him at all.  I don't know SupnikC7 > > well enough to comment, but it seems dubious to me.  > G > That's what comes from trying to envision what people you communicateeH > with here look like. I have never had the pleasure of actually meeting > any of them. >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:35:30 -0500t! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>: Subject: Re: Rogues GalleryE' Message-ID: <3E3A97C2.BE66DE26@vcu.edu>1  E I know... I tried it once, and the TeleVideo 922 (great terminal whensG they worked) was really too faint to cope with full sun..  I was amazedf at how blank it was..!!!  	 ah well..b   John Laird wrote:d > N > On 30 Jan 2003 18:36:54 -0600, kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob > Kaplow) wrote: > L > >The picture of the job I always wanted was in the "PRO" handbook: The guyL > >lying on a lounge chair on his deck, overlooking the cape,  PRO under the3 > >chair, dog at his feet. I *STILL* want that job.h > K > Impractical as a rule, as most displays aren't bright enough to cope withyN > external light conditions, but yes it was a great picture.  I still remember8 > it, on particularly gloomy days under leaden skies ;-) >  >         John   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:59:52 -0500g; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>c Subject: Re: Rogues Galleryi$ Message-ID: <3e3a9d6a$1@news.si.com>  2 >I'm sure a few here will get a chuckle out of it.  & He looks to be about 14 in that photo. -- rI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot coma5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991r8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:32:28 GMTo# From: Andy Ball <ball@invalid.null>D Subject: Re: Rogues GallerytB Message-ID: <Mqy_9.429$6P2.63412@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  <    BG> That's what comes from trying to envision what people+      > you communicate with here look like.o  : IKWYM: I saw Paul Harvey on the TV last night and he looks  nothing like I had pictured him!  4    JA> in the server, no-one can hear you scream!!!!  : In the machine room no-one can hear anyone else speak, but; in the print room you can't even hear yourself think!!  :-)V   - Andy Ball,   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 07:15:26 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0301310715.6ea97302@posting.google.com>   \ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<30JAN200311091091@gerg.tamu.edu>...) > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes...f% > }<geff@excite.com> wrote in messageS: > }news:2119a17f.0301292159.201411cc@posting.google.com...4 > }> I'm sorry - I mean 31-JAN, 28-FEB, 31-MAR, etc. > }> > } = > }Do you want to be able to handle Feb. 29th in a leap year?   C Yes, he wants it to handle leap years. Really, now. Did you (that'sSE "you" as in John Smith, not Carl Perkins [I'm covering my behind! :-]-@ ) really want the poster to type "Well, make that 29-FEB in leapE years"? I do suppose that "the last day of the following month" wouldn have been better, though.p  A > }It is much easier to deal with 00:00 on the 1st of each month.1 > I > The DCL posted earlier will work fine to get the last day of the month. B > It will deal with leap years just fine. It will work every time. > ( > Here it is again. It is pretty clever.  D Yes, it is clever. I like the multi-line version better (see the end of this post).   > $ end_of_month = f$cvtime("01-''f$cvtime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","MONTH")'-''f$cvtime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","YEAR")'-1-","ABSOLUTE") > : > It is feeding the f$cvtime lexical a time string that is+ > 1) day 1 (via that leading literal "01-") N > 2) of the month that is 30 days after the 15th day of this month (that's theL > month returned by the f$cvtime(-"15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","MONTH") - this willN > always work because every month has at least 15 days in it and 30 days after/ > that is never past the end of the next month) H > 3) of the year that the next month is in (same thing but with "YEAR"),K > 4) and then it subtracts off a day (that trailing "-1-" - the last day of C > this month is always the day before the first day of next month).. > + > There is no case when this will not work.e  C Well, ..., first of all, the poster wanted something for the end of C the *next* month. OK, that's easy to fix -- just change the 30's to  60's.   B Then it could still fail. Suppose the job dies before it resubmits@ itself. The next day, the operator or sysmgr comes in, fixes theD problem and reruns the job. But now it is already the next month andA the job will be resubmitted for the wrong day. Variations of thisv abound.r  D OK, that's not the algorithm's fault, you say. And you're right! ButF it could also fail at least in an "idealized" world. Suppose it is runE just before midnight New Year's Eve. That is, 31-DEC-XXXX 23:59:59.98aF or so and the month portion is evaluated before the change of year andE the year portion is evaluated after the change of year. In that case,i
 it will fail.a  E Of course, practically, this is either extremely, extremely unlikely,rE or perhaps even impossible. I don't know enough internals to tell for-A sure, but I suspect it may well happen at least on slow machines.l  = Yeah, this is nitpicking, but "[in] no case" is a very strong:
 statement.   [...]V  K > If you want a version that doesn't wrap and is perhaps slightly easier to  > follow, here's one:a > 8 > $ next_month = F$CvTime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","MONTH")= > $ next_months_year = F$CvTime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","YEAR")i > $ last_day_of_this_month = -M >     F$CvTime("01-''next_month'-''next_months_year'-1-", "ABSOLUTE", "DATE")  >tN > SO now you have the date, tack on any time string you want to the end of it.   This is much better.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanb   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:24:18 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?K Message-ID: <6jy_9.522108$F2h1.287066@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>o  ; "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:b096a4ee.0301310715.6ea97302@posting.google.com...n4 > carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message) news:<30JAN200311091091@gerg.tamu.edu>...h+ > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes...,' > > }<geff@excite.com> wrote in messageh< > > }news:2119a17f.0301292159.201411cc@posting.google.com...6 > > }> I'm sorry - I mean 31-JAN, 28-FEB, 31-MAR, etc. > > }> > > }t? > > }Do you want to be able to handle Feb. 29th in a leap year?i > E > Yes, he wants it to handle leap years. Really, now. Did you (that'skC > "you" as in John Smith, not Carl Perkins [I'm covering my behind!s :-]tB > ) really want the poster to type "Well, make that 29-FEB in leapA > years"? I do suppose that "the last day of the following month"t woulde > have been better, though.  >d    A I've seen some pretty weird stuff over the years in terms of what % companies consider to be 'month-end'.s  C I've seen companies that have fiscal year-end as Feb. 28 that counteD Feb 29th as part of the next fiscal year, and others that count Feb.D 29th as the 'prior' fiscal year. Same thing for month-end reporting.  E I've also seen companies that take every 4th Thursday or Friday as aneE accounting period end - they get 13 month-ends per year that way (one E large brokerage firm that has a large ugly animal as its 'symbol' didrB it that way for many years - they handed out a photocopied 10-yearE table showing which date each accounting period closed so staff couldiB refer to going backwards/forwards without having to rely on simple> concepts like 'the last day of each month is when we close theC accounting period'). As a result, sometimes fiscal year-end fell insB December and sometimes in January using that method, and sometimesA people wound up working on Christmas Day manually posting journala+ entries trying to close books for year end.0  8 And as we also know, most business system development isC straightforward if you don't have to deal with legal and regulatory.D matters. What you and I may consider to be logical isn't always thatC way in the minds of accountants, lawyers, and politicians - look atnC the tax system for an example. Hence my question about dealing withl
 Feb. 29th.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:32:07 -0500.& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?8 Message-ID: <9qbl3v8lqalkmoeee01fbb7fglue5rk3ch@4ax.com>  L On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:09:35 GMT, HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid> wrote:   > > >	I *think* the following might work, haven't tested it much : >- >	$SUBMIT/NOPRINT/NOTIFY -L >  /AFTER="1-''F$EXTRACT(2,8,F$CVTIME("1-+62-","ABSOLUTE"))':18:00:00 -1-" - >	T.COM	D >	Job T (queue SYS$BATCH, entry 320) holding until 28-FEB-2003 18:00 >1> >	Without the ":18:00:00" part the job would start at midnight >	( 28-FEB-2003 00:00 ). >	Hope this helps... >							Cheers,  Csaba  N Okay, Csaba, you win (in my book!) for the "slickest" solution to the specificM problem. It took me awhile to realize the subtle things about your expressionI which make it work.r  P First, you have the correct delta time (+62- rather than +63- which I had) to beP sure to get to at least the 1st of next month even in the worst case (from 1-Dec
 to 1-Feb).  N Second, you took advantage of the fact that -- even in the worst case which isO 1-Jan to 4-Mar [3-Mar in a leap year] or 1-Feb to 4-Apr [3-Apr in leap year] -- M that the resulting date will have a single digit day number and that a single P f$extract from position 2 for 8 characters will always yield the mon-yyyy stringP of the month after next. Using this approach, you are able to form a date stringP for the 1st of the month after next with a single f$extract (rather than the two some others of us used).  M Finally, you took advantage of the fact that the SUBMIT /AFTER qualifier willnO accept a delta time as its argument, and therefore "implicitly" perform anotheriJ F$CVTIME-type conversion during execution. This allowed you to eliminate a- second F$CVTIME that I used in my suggestion.-   MHOTY!      I -------------------------------------------------------------------------eI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com0I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)-I -------------------------------------------------------------------------u   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jan 2003 11:41 CDTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)u$ Subject: Re: Submit at end of month?- Message-ID: <31JAN200311410859@gerg.tamu.edu>   2 spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes...] }carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<30JAN200311091091@gerg.tamu.edu>...e* }> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes...& }> }<geff@excite.com> wrote in message; }> }news:2119a17f.0301292159.201411cc@posting.google.com...a5 }> }> I'm sorry - I mean 31-JAN, 28-FEB, 31-MAR, etc.u }> }>o }> } e> }> }Do you want to be able to handle Feb. 29th in a leap year? } D }Yes, he wants it to handle leap years. Really, now. Did you (that'sF }"you" as in John Smith, not Carl Perkins [I'm covering my behind! :-]A }) really want the poster to type "Well, make that 29-FEB in leapsF }years"? I do suppose that "the last day of the following month" would }have been better, though. } B }> }It is much easier to deal with 00:00 on the 1st of each month. }> iJ }> The DCL posted earlier will work fine to get the last day of the month.C }> It will deal with leap years just fine. It will work every time.c }> :) }> Here it is again. It is pretty clever.D } E }Yes, it is clever. I like the multi-line version better (see the endo }of this post).k   Me too.v   [...]fE }OK, that's not the algorithm's fault, you say. And you're right! But-G }it could also fail at least in an "idealized" world. Suppose it is rundF }just before midnight New Year's Eve. That is, 31-DEC-XXXX 23:59:59.98G }or so and the month portion is evaluated before the change of year andsF }the year portion is evaluated after the change of year. In that case, }it will fail. } F }Of course, practically, this is either extremely, extremely unlikely,F }or perhaps even impossible. I don't know enough internals to tell forB }sure, but I suspect it may well happen at least on slow machines. } > }Yeah, this is nitpicking, but "[in] no case" is a very strong }statement.    Oops.   E You are right that the code can actually produce an incorrect result, D but not during the January to December transition - it could give anI incorrect result during the November to December transition. (See below.)s   }[...] } L }> If you want a version that doesn't wrap and is perhaps slightly easier to }> follow, here's one: }>  9 }> $ next_month = F$CvTime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","MONTH")i> }> $ next_months_year = F$CvTime("15--+30-","ABSOLUTE","YEAR") }> $ last_day_of_this_month = -yN }>     F$CvTime("01-''next_month'-''next_months_year'-1-", "ABSOLUTE", "DATE") }>O }> SO now you have the date, tack on any time string you want to the end of it.e }  }This is much better.  }  }Disclaimer: JMHO3 }Alan E. Feldman  C As far as I can tell, aside from bugs in DCL (not very likely - theiG parts of it used here are used all over the place) or hardware problems H and other forces external to the software (such as anything that changesG the clock at the sensitive moment, or yanking the power cord out of theiJ wall), this can only fail in one (extraordinarily unlikely) case - failingH in such a way that the date is one year later than it should be. That isI when the next_month line's F$CvTime() happens on the last day of NovemberaE and by the time the next_months_year line's F$CvTime() happens it hasaG become the first day of December. In this case, instead of the last day H of November of the year the thing started running, you will get the lastD day of November of the following year. In such a case the next_monthH determination gives the right month (December), but by the time the callG to determine next_months_year is made the calculation has slipped ahead<G so that the year you are getting is the year for the following January,hF not for the formerly following December, since it is suddenly DecemberD and the "15--+30-" is now in the following January which pushes yourF base date from which you are subtracting a day a year into the future.  
 Here's a fix:r  3 $ base_date = F$CvTime("1--+31-","ABSOLUTE","DATE"):5 $ next_month = F$CvTime(base_date,"ABSOLUTE","MONTH")F: $ next_months_year = F$CvTime(base_date,"ABSOLUTE","YEAR") $ last_day_of_this_month = -K     F$CvTime("01-''next_month'-''next_months_year'-1-", "ABSOLUTE", "DATE")d  D Since both month and year are based on the same time returned by theD single earlier call, you can't get it split due to the date changing between calls.  E You can also eliminate the "next_months_year" symbol and simplify thec final date string some:E  3 $ base_date = F$CvTime("1--+31-","ABSOLUTE","DATE")  $ next_month = "1-" + -i2   F$CvTime(base_date,"ABSOLUTE","MONTH") + "-" + -'   F$CvTime(base_date,"ABSOLUTE","YEAR")oI $ last_day_of_this_month = F$CvTime("''next_month'-1-","ABSOLUTE","DATE")   E That's still pretty short and pretty clear. It also provides you with-F a symbol holding the first day of next month ("next_month", of course)& as well as the last day of this month.  E If you change the "1--+31-" to "1--+62-" you get the last day of nextrD month (and the first day of the month after that in the intermediateI symbol). Using this base_date method, this won't have the problem either.cH (The method that does the date calculation from scratch twice could failH in this case if it was split between the end of October and the start of> November, giving the same "one year too late" type of result.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:49:07 -0500,+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>e Subject: Re: Touchdown OpenVMS! / Message-ID: <xdv_9.191$mn3.57@news.cpqcorp.net>l  0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message# news:3E397168.8000303@vajhoej.dk...e > Dan wrote:I > > The conversation was about what else Apache on the Alpha system could H > > do for us. I now have some  homework to do. My CEO even knew that itJ > > was possible to run ASPs on Apache for VMS (chili-soft?) and I did notA > > (because I previously did not care for ASPs because ASP=IIS).a >c > A few comments:e >cC > 1)  Chillisoft do supply ASP for Apache, but I never heard it wasy >      available for VMS.n  L Halycon Software has a product called iASP which is a Java implementation ofK Active Server Pages. I worked with them a year or so ago to help port it tou8 VMS along with their Apache plug-in for iASP (mod_iasp).  @ The prototype was working fine, but I don't know if they sell it/ commercially. They've since merged with Stryon:e   http://www.stryon.com/  : > 3)  I would definatetly go for either JSP or PHP instead+ >      of ASP in a non-Windows environment.D  L And don't forget PERL. JSP, PHP, and Perl are all platform-independent so ifK you have multiple platform trypes in your organization, it would be best to:* choose something that runs on all of them.  
 Rick Barry Secure Web Server Groupt OpenVMS System Software Group1 Hewlett-Packard CompanyN
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jan 2003 00:00:50 -0800' From: roose_chua@yahoo.com (Roose Chua)g( Subject: Understanding memory allocation= Message-ID: <127ddcff.0301310000.7aed6d69@posting.google.com>o   Hi,a  C We are trying to benchmark one of our nodes, ie. regular cpu/memorygE utilization, and needs to know first the data in the last line of thee $ show mem command:   F Of the physical pages in use, 12344 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS.  F How do I determine what processes/parameters comprised the 12344 pagesE here? I know that this is different on every node, but is it always anE percentage of the node's memory, ie. OpenVMS always allocate at leaste 10%?  A Also, I would like to get some advise regarding one of our nodes,rF wherein we are experiencing a very high average memory utilization. WeD would like to lower this memory utilization, this is why, we want toD know first the "footprint" of a basic VMS system, ie. no other third> party product running yet. I have here some data which you canD reference. This node is an AlphaServer 1000 5/400 with 1GB of memory! and primarily runs Oracle v7.3.3:e  @               System Memory Resources on 31-JAN-2003 02:14:12.35  / Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable)rF     Current Size (bytes)      23789568    Current Size (pagelets)      46464eF     Initial Size              23789568    Initial Size (pagelets)      46464:E     Maximum Size             118947840    Maximum Size (pagelets)    a 232320C     Free Space (bytes)         8588736    Space in Use (bytes)     i 15200832D     Largest Variable Block     3899264    Smallest Variable Block    3899264AF     Number of Free Blocks        15510    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytes        0BD     Free Blocks on Lookasides    15509    Lookaside Space (bytes)    4689472m  % (No Bus Addressable Memory allocated)h   Paged Dynamic Memory          F     Current Size (PAGEDYN)     4915200    Current Size (pagelets)       9600hD     Free Space (bytes)         2439872    Space in Use (bytes)       2475328bF     Largest Variable Block     2341360    Smallest Variable Block         16 F     Number of Free Blocks          672    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytes      557  MDLMA1$ sho mema@               System Memory Resources on 31-JAN-2003 02:14:53.45  C Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use   Q ModifiedF   Main Memory (1024.00Mb)         131072        8747      115337        6988m  @ Virtual I/O Cache (Kbytes):        Total        Free      In Use@   Cache Memory                     32000           0       32000  C Granularity Hint Regions (pages):  Total        Free      In Use     ReleasedF   Execlet code region                512           0         509           3bF   Execlet data region                128           0         104          24eF   S0/S1 Executive data region       2915           0        2915           0iF   S2 Executive data region           640           0         640           0 F   Resident image code region        1024         202         822           0a  D Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedsF   Process Entry Slots                555         280         275           0oF   Balance Set Slots                  553         280         273           0e  D Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use     Largest D   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory       23789568     8583040    15206528     3899264ED   Paged Dynamic Memory           4915200     2440736     2474464     23413600  @ Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        Peak@   32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)            352         457@   64-bit System Space Windows (S2)               197         232  F Memory Reservations (pages):                Reserved      In Use        Typea@ Total (0 Mb reserved)                              0           0  F Paging File Usage (blocks):                     Free  Reservable       Totalr)   DISK$PAGE01:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYS;1tF                                                49920       49920       49920 )   DISK$PAGE01:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS;1iD                                              1587392     1112032     2199936 )   DISK$PAGE02:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS;1uD                                              1588128     1114944     2199936   F Of the physical pages in use, 71377 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS.     $ sho mem/pool/fullv@               System Memory Resources on 31-JAN-2003 02:54:05.82  / Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable)hF     Current Size (bytes)      23789568    Current Size (pagelets)      46464lF     Initial Size              23789568    Initial Size (pagelets)      46464AE     Maximum Size             118947840    Maximum Size (pagelets)    o 232320C     Free Space (bytes)         8613504    Space in Use (bytes)       15176064D     Largest Variable Block     3899264    Smallest Variable Block    3899264 F     Number of Free Blocks        15524    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytes        0rD     Free Blocks on Lookasides    15523    Lookaside Space (bytes)    4714240   % (No Bus Addressable Memory allocated)-   Paged Dynamic Memory          F     Current Size (PAGEDYN)     4915200    Current Size (pagelets)       9600mD     Free Space (bytes)         2440176    Space in Use (bytes)       2475024eF     Largest Variable Block     2341360    Smallest Variable Block         16cF     Number of Free Blocks          682    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytes      560n    F I know we use SGA for the databases, but I am not able to show it when doing a show memory(?).e    Thanks in advance for your help! Roosen  F *What I post here is my personal point of view and may not reflect the opinion of my employer.n   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:21:22 -0500 (EST)n+ From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> & Subject: Re: vax6k.openecs.org rebirthP Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44L-027.0301310113420.14563-100000@unix2.andrew.cmu.edu>  F it wasn't the first attempt at a technology, but it was definitely oneG of the grandest (and boldest, given the speeds that thing runs at) uses B for it. Not CMOS, but ECL. ECL has been around since the late 60s,C and haD the properties of switching faster than CMOS and also using$E tons more power. Doing an ECL machine that big running at frequenciesr@ that high and fitting it in a box as small as they could withoutA water cooling _was_ quite a feat. The multichip modules were verytK cutting edge for their time, and the thermal management was quite advanced,d: to get 30 KW out of that cabinet entirely by air cooling..F In the long run, though, they should have realized that the market forJ million-plus dollar machines was too thin to justify such a huge project..G i think they had taken on too much of the IBM mentality after moving son% much into IBM's traditional markets.. M and not 2 years later the NVAX came around, and in terms of price/performanceoD completely evaporated whatever advantage a 9000 had. If only DEC hadF taken the couple billion they lost on the vax 9000 and instead sunk itI into NVAX machines! higher volume, lower cost, larger market penetration,r
 etc etc etc..     sitting next to my vax 4000/600, Isildura      # On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, JF Mezei wrote:o   > Bob Koehler wrote:I > >    What we heard was DEC was fairly sure the 9000 would require water-D > >    cooling, thus the code name, and was suprized when one of theB > >    engineers came up with a working air cooling system for it. >hP > Wasn't the 9000 the first attempt at a CMOS machine (or whatatever technology)L > which was used by IBM for its mainframes, and thus, since IBM needed waterN > cooling, it was expected that DEC's competing machines would also need water > cooling ?e >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:15:20 +0100t$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now availablei* Message-ID: <00A1ACAA.E2EC17D2.6@decus.de>  6 "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote:  L > this is the 5th note in 2 days to the newsgroup, I hope this one makes it. > ----Original Message-----d > From: Skonetski, Susan >-* > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:04 AM >0 > To: Skonetski, Susan >s' > Subject: OpenVMS @25 CD now availableO >V > Folks, >sN > I really recommend this CD, there is an excellent statement of HP commitmentM > to VMS from Carly at the end. This is a keeper and excellent for customers.aK > Many thanks go to Marc Courchesne and Jim Rainville for the excellent jobc > they did on this?  >o > Warm Regards,g >  > Sue/ >m >. >r> > New CD Celebrates 25 years of OpenVMS engineering excellence >bF > Celebrating 25 years and beyond of engineering excellence, the newlyL > produced CD OpenVMS@25 <mailto:OpenVMS@25> still exceeding expectations is > now available. The CD [...]o >e > [...]e  F Send an e-mail to "hpliterature (at) kpcorp (dot) com" as mentioned on that web page.   That's what I got as an answer:p  N > To gain access to the HP Literature site as a Registered User, we would needJ > the following information to verify if you are already in the system. IfJ > not, we will enter the information and email you back your User Name and > Password within 24 hours.w >d > Company Name= > Full Address(no PO Box) - City, State, Zip Code and Countryd > Phone Number > Title in the Company > Email Addressp >MJ > As soon as we receive the information we will verify and email  you your > login information.  D I managed to get username and password even without being a company.  F But I just get a "Your browser session has timed out, you are requiredE to re-login. You will be redirected back to the login screen in a few.I seconds." immidiately after entering name and password and the login pagee is displayed again ... :-(   Michaelw   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:01:31 GMT-" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now availablea0 Message-ID: <00A1AC7F.0F9B5E2B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Q In article <00A1ACAA.E2EC17D2.6@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:A7 >"Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote:s >3M >> this is the 5th note in 2 days to the newsgroup, I hope this one makes it.L >> ----Original Message----- >> From: Skonetski, Susano >>+ >> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:04 AMn >> >> To: Skonetski, Susan  >>( >> Subject: OpenVMS @25 CD now available >>	 >> Folks,- >>O >> I really recommend this CD, there is an excellent statement of HP commitmenteN >> to VMS from Carly at the end. This is a keeper and excellent for customers.L >> Many thanks go to Marc Courchesne and Jim Rainville for the excellent job >> they did on this? >> >> Warm Regards, >> >> Sue >> >> >>? >> New CD Celebrates 25 years of OpenVMS engineering excellencet >>G >> Celebrating 25 years and beyond of engineering excellence, the newly M >> produced CD OpenVMS@25 <mailto:OpenVMS@25> still exceeding expectations isa >> now available. The CD [...] >> >> [...] >sG >Send an e-mail to "hpliterature (at) kpcorp (dot) com" as mentioned onr >that web page.  >O  >That's what I got as an answer: > O >> To gain access to the HP Literature site as a Registered User, we would need K >> the following information to verify if you are already in the system. IfnK >> not, we will enter the information and email you back your User Name and, >> Password within 24 hours. >> >> Company Name > >> Full Address(no PO Box) - City, State, Zip Code and Country >> Phone Number- >> Title in the Companyn >> Email Address >>K >> As soon as we receive the information we will verify and email  you your- >> login information.- >-E >I managed to get username and password even without being a company.i ><G >But I just get a "Your browser session has timed out, you are requiredjF >to re-login. You will be redirected back to the login screen in a fewJ >seconds." immidiately after entering name and password and the login page >is displayed again ... :-(e >a >Michael  6 Are there any web sites associated with HP that work?    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMj            c5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:25:07 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> % Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now available ' Message-ID: <3E3A9553.E03F2E97@vcu.edu>   F and add to that, we tried to buy for educational use a hp desktop, butF since the model that was good for us was a home unit, we could not buyD it, but they offered one that was 3 times more..  we went Dell., for only a little more..   sigh..       "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Sue Skonetski wrote: > >"D > > Looks like I really messed up.  Folks told me that this could beM > > distributed, so I did.  However you need to get an HP person to order thel > > CD.n >  > Oh, for the love of ...i >  > * Heartfelt Sigh * >   > Any psych. students out there? > > > Is there a name for a syndrome congruous with such behavior? > H > That is, they spend buku box on a CD presentation, then reduce to zeroB > or less the possibility of it being an effective marketing tool. > E > * CENSORED * !!!  Will someone *PLEASE* put us out of their misery?4 >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systemsm > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:31:09 +0100=9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>=% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now available ' Message-ID: <3E3A96BD.5FB9A8E7@aaa.com>r   Hm, what about www.heinz.com ??u  $ (They make the famous "HP Sauce"...)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >  > 7 > Are there any web sites associated with HP that work?n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:24:12 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a% Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now available K Message-ID: <0jy_9.522105$F2h1.415077@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>6  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E39E29C.3628983B@fsi.net...e > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > D > > Looks like I really messed up.  Folks told me that this could beC > > distributed, so I did.  However you need to get an HP person to 	 order theh > > CD.. >u > Oh, for the love of ...G >e > * Heartfelt Sigh * >>  > Any psych. students out there? >>> > Is there a name for a syndrome congruous with such behavior? >jC > That is, they spend buku box on a CD presentation, then reduce too zeroB > or less the possibility of it being an effective marketing tool. >nE > * CENSORED * !!!  Will someone *PLEASE* put us out of their misery?     E Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools that don't have brains  enough to be honest. --Benjamin Franklin     
 Sue excluded.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:24:15 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: VMS @25 CD now available J Message-ID: <3jy_9.522106$F2h1.61361@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A1AC7F.0F9B5E2B@SendSpamHere.ORG... >-7 > Are there any web sites associated with HP that work?g >     A Just the ones that run on OpenVMS, but those aren't allowed to be.2 accessed. No one has security clearance for those.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:15:32 -0500  From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>I" Subject: Re: VMS source listings ?8 Message-ID: <r8fl3vs1349jkmev9fpeclolagr0uuj1ee@4ax.com>  F On 30 Jan 2003 16:08:50 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:M >Should I make a post in comp.os.linux (or whatever it is called) complaininggN >that I cannot distribute my own version of Linux and keep my changes secret ?   You are such a tool...  K >The location rules are the terms whereby the source listings are licensed.nI >Whether there are terms other than full-time employment that would allow 9 >them to show you the source has not been discussed here.l   Location: Sol System     Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:52:18 -05000, From: Michael Hewitt <hewittm@dfo-mpo.gc.ca>% Subject: VMS to message Oracle users?j* Message-ID: <3E3AA9C2.10004@dfo-mpo.gc.ca>  H Does anyone know of a way to send an on-line message such as a reply to B all Oracle users connected via SQL NET?  Any information would be  greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:24:51 +0100v5 From: "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>hW Subject: Re: What and where is the bridge on page 5? (was Re: VMS @25 CD now available) & Message-ID: <3e3a77d6$1@news.euriware>       "Le pont de normandie "a       ;-)2  9 <norm.raphael@metso.com> a crit dans le message de news:R4 OFB702AF06.0F7C218D-ON85256CBE.007459BD@metso.com... >1/ > I guess we need a contest:  Name that Bridge!m >f >  >iK > From:  "Skonetski, Susan" <Susan.Skonetski@hp.com> on 01/30/2003 03:34 PMK >: >s9 > Subject:    RE: What and where is the bridge on page 5?i >I >d > my guess is not NH!> >  > -----Original Message----- > From: norm raphael* > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:17 PM > To: Skonetski, Susan2 > Subject: What and where is the bridge on page 5? >y >l	 > Hi Sue,- >-L > What and where is the bridge on page 5 (or it would be page 5 if the pages >        were numbered ;-) )?j >: > >SI > ><http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.pdf>o > >c >  > -Normg >. >u >u >aK > From:  Ken Robinson <ken.s.robinson.nospam@exxonmobile.com> on 01/30/2003h >        11:13 AMs >mH > Please respond to Ken Robinson <ken.s.robinson.nospam@exxonmobile.com> >2 > To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > cc:> >m* > Subject:    Re: VMS @25 CD now available >  > [Snip] >D > Does this  >aH > <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/openvms_brochure.pdf> >eJ > count as new advertising?  True, I have only seen it on the web site andJ > not in the wild, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it pop up in some of > the technical media soon.  >o > Ken Robinson >l >  >  >t >f >o   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jan 2003 04:17:00 GMT# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)aG Subject: Re: Where is LBN 0? Where should I place INDEXF.SYS on a CD-R?a* Message-ID: <b1507s$d1b$3@web1.cup.hp.com>  n In article <b096a4ee.0301240848.73c6b127@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  B   I would encourage you to not consider this, and not get into theD   placement of files.  (I am one of the few engineers around that isC   having to work with logical block writes, because I am writing to A   the disk boot block; I am overwriting LBN 0.  I would encourage @   you to avoid coding any such knowledge into your application.)  E :Is LBN 0 on Files-11 disks at the outer edge of the physical disk ori8 :the inner edge? (Assuming revectoring hasn't occurred.)  @   Yes.  Disks are entirely free store files from the outside in,@   from the inside out, half-stroke schemes, or differing numbers>   of blocks on the outer tracks -- usually more blocks -- thanA   on the inner tracks -- usually fewer blocks.  ODS does not carey>   where this stuff is, so long as the disk drive will return aC   consistent block (and contents :-) for a particular disk address.   C   The classic drive geometry numbers -- tracks, sectors, cylinders,xC   etc -- are now often entirely synthetic values.  Volume shadowing B   has removed its dependencies on the disk geometry, for instance.  D :Where on the physical disk is LBN 0 located with other popular file	 :systems?u  E   LBN0 is usually the boot block on OpenVMS, and the position of LBN0uE   is specific to the drive and not to the file system.  (For all thatnB   OpenVMS knows, LBN0 could be in the middle of the drive!  In theF   specific case of the old half-stroke RF drives, AFAIK one copy was!)  D :Do increasing LBN's simply "quasi-spiral" across the disk? That is,F :are the lowest, say, five percent of the blocks all at about the same :radius?  ,   On quaint and suitably ancient disks, yes.  B   On the CD media formats that OpenVMS usually accesses, the firstF   block is at the innermost track, and the contents do spiral outward.  C :I am making CD-Rs containing save set files that are about 2000 to D :7000 blocks each. Does it matter much where I place the index file?  B   Not unless you need a huge contiguous file -- on many disks, theB   default placement in the middle means the head(s) are positioned@   reasonably for the seek, after having accessed the index file.@   That said, disks have escalator and elevator optimizations andA   can re-order reads and writes based on the target block and thex@   current head positioning, and controllers and OpenVMS all haveA   caching and other such constructs, all of which are intended toi(   reduce the aggregate disk access time.  C   In your case, simply write the savesets into the partition and be1   done with it...   . :And if yes, where's the best place to put it?  C   At the beginning or the end (and thus out of the way), of course.i  D :I set /headers and /maximimum files to a little above the number ofC :files I am placing on the CD-R. Is there anything else I can do tom9 :optimize the performance when reading the finished disk?   E   Use something other than a CD-R?  (What are we really talking aboutcH   here, after all?  CDs are certainly nice and current generation drivesG   are certainly reasonably effective at accessing and caching the data,1F   but the media itself limits the aggregate drive performance.  If youF   want fast, transfer the disk data over to a fast(er) disk device, or@   over into electronic external or host-memory storage devices.)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.062 ************************