1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 07 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 372       Contents:P Re: Advanced Cluster Configurations (was: RE: Tri-architecture cluster demonstra APC UPS control for VMS  Re: APC UPS control for VMS  Re: APC UPS control for VMS % Re: Backup Software for VMS and Linux  Basics of attaching a PC Re: Basics of attaching a PC1 Call for OpenVMS Freeware Submissions: 8-Sep-2003 6 Re: Compaq Solutions Aliance - Do it still existing  ?6 Re: Compaq Solutions Aliance - Do it still existing  ?6 Re: Compaq Solutions Aliance - Do it still existing  ? DHCP startup problems  Help save this family Please; Re: HP Announces OpenVMS Evaluation Release Version 8.0 for > Re: HP Webcast this morning on Next-Generation Intel Itanium 2L Re: HP Webcast this morning on Next-Generation Intel Itanium 2    processors# RE: HP World (was HP to drop hpux?) # Re: HP World (was HP to drop hpux?) ' HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense - Re: more on DSSI disks and allocation classes @ Re: More than VMS is required, but VMS is a great starting point@ RE: More than VMS is required, but VMS is a great starting point5 Re: OpenVMS Technical Journal 2nd issue now available & Recursive copy between nodes using LAT* Re: Recursive copy between nodes using LAT* Re: Recursive copy between nodes using LAT Re: Rethinking  V.M.S  Re: Rethinking  V.M.S  Re: Rethinking  V.M.S  Re: Rethinking  V.M.S  Re: Rethinking  V.M.S  RE: Rethinking  V.M.S  RE: Rethinking  V.M.S  Re: Rethinking  V.M.S  Re: Rethinking V.M.S Re: Running VMS off CD Re: Running VMS off CDP Re: SNMP Commands (was Re: How do I monitor the CPU temperature in  an         EP Re: SNMP Commands (was Re: How do I monitor the CPU temperature in  an         EP Re: SNMP Commands (was Re: How do I monitor the CPU temperature in  an         EP Re: SNMP Commands (was Re: How do I monitor the CPU temperature in  an         E, Sybase Migrations External Website available' SYS$SPECIFIC and SYS$COMMON not enough? C Re: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical J Re: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical UpdateJ Re: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical UpdateP RE: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical Update UpdatP Re: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical Update Updat8 Re: VAX Vup Listing not available on HP - where is it ?? Re: VMS-Upgrade from disk? Re: VMS-Upgrade from disk? Re: VMS-Upgrade from disk?8 [IEEE 802.1X] Any VMS software for 802.1X in the chain ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:17:23 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Y Subject: Re: Advanced Cluster Configurations (was: RE: Tri-architecture cluster demonstra 2 Message-ID: <DWhOa.4020$Jw7.2407@news.cpqcorp.net>  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEIAHIAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: B :Is it possible for a VMS image to be a member of two separate and& :distinct clusters?  A cluster bridge?  >   No.  An OpenVMS node can be a member of exactly one cluster.  G   It is sometimes possible -- but (AFAIK) unsupported and at an obvious E   risk to the integrity of the disk data -- to have (certain specific D   types of) disk devices that span clusters with one read-write hostF   and multiple read-only hosts, akin to what was once implemented withF   (what was once known as) VAX/VMS V3-vintage access to the HSC-seriesF   CI storage controllers.  (I am _not_ here refering to the ability ofE   the DSA-series (RA) disks to be online to either -- but not both --    of the two SDI ports.)  H   And if you have to ask how you could do this, you really don't want toG   try it.  No offense is intended here -- I've simply seen how severely G   and how quickly a corrupted disk can arise when involved with what is 0   centrally a request for a partitioned cluster.  H   What is possible is the ability to bring a disk on-line on one clusterI   at a time, but across multiple clusters -- this configuration is likely F   also considered supported for certain and very specific disk storageF   hardware configurations.  The aforementioned (and ancient) DSA disksE   (assuming a direct connection to a pair of host-based UDA-, KDA- or 3   KDB-series controllers), for a specific instance.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:26:21 GMT " From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca>  Subject: APC UPS control for VMS9 Message-ID: <Xns93B16004BC898falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>   @ Has anyone developed software to control APC SmartUPS from OVMS?F The Powerchute catalog does list a VMS version, which is no longer in D development but still supported.  Assuming it's like PowerChute for I Windows, I think I will have a hard time getting it to do exactly what I  H want.  I am looking for something a little more flexible.  The SmartUPS G protocol has been reverse-engineered and I think I can easily write my  D own. But if some one has source code, the job would be a bit easier.   --  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 11:02:14 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: APC UPS control for VMS3 Message-ID: <E8A1TtoJwPr3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <Xns93B16004BC898falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>, Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> writes:B > Has anyone developed software to control APC SmartUPS from OVMS?H > The Powerchute catalog does list a VMS version, which is no longer in F > development but still supported.  Assuming it's like PowerChute for K > Windows, I think I will have a hard time getting it to do exactly what I   > want.   ; I believe Brian Schenkenberger has a product in this space.   = Use Google to search this newsgroup for posts containing both  "Schenkenberger" and "APC".    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:15:59 GMT " From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca>$ Subject: Re: APC UPS control for VMS9 Message-ID: <Xns93B1686F98B98falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>   0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in, news:E8A1TtoJwPr3@eisner.encompasserve.org:   G > In article <Xns93B16004BC898falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>, Alfred Falk  > <falk@arc.ab.ca> writes:  C >> Has anyone developed software to control APC SmartUPS from OVMS? H >> The Powerchute catalog does list a VMS version, which is no longer inG >> development but still supported.  Assuming it's like PowerChute for  D >> Windows, I think I will have a hard time getting it to do exactly >> what I want.  > = > I believe Brian Schenkenberger has a product in this space.  > ? > Use Google to search this newsgroup for posts containing both  > "Schenkenberger" and "APC".   ' Looks promising.  Thanks for your help.    --  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:57:25 -0400+ From: "David Pikcilingis" <dcpik@bosbc.com> . Subject: Re: Backup Software for VMS and Linux0 Message-ID: <_aqdnRyM0tXGF5SiXTWJjg@comcast.com>  J > > What backup applications implement good agents for both VMS and Linux?K > > Could we run the LTO-1 drives on a Linux backup server, and then backup  and H > > restore data for VMS through a VMS agent that works with that backup > > application?  L If OpenVMS BACKUP solves the problem on the VMS side of the equation, BostonL Business Computing has a product, Vbackup, that will create and read OpenVMSL BACKUP save sets on UNIX systems.  This would allow the data to be backed upF and restored on either the OpenVMS (with BACKUP) or Linux system (with4 Vbackup).  See details at www.bosbc.com/vbackup.html   David Pikcilingis  Boston Business Computing  OpenVMS Integration Solutions  sales@bosbc.com 
 www.bosbc.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:31:22 -0400 + From: Rodney Carter <rtcarter401@yahoo.com> ! Subject: Basics of attaching a PC ) Message-ID: <3F09A059.F83B6750@yahoo.com>   E I am a lowly Microsoft/Novell admin who has been thrown into the deep F end. I don't mind doing my homework but I need some basic help. PleaseF don't say RTFM because I can find no FM in this shop. After layoffs, IF have been supporting 5 VAx servers that run BravoDraft for 7 designersC on PC workstations. The openVMS version is 6.2 and the transport is F TCP/IP and use Humingbird Exceed. I mostly run backups and check errorD logs. Unlike their WinTel counterparts, the VAX system seems to takeE care of itself which leaves me time to patch and restart and baby the C rest of the network. We have bought upgrade PCs and I have tried to ; mirror the setups of the old systems. There are no new user F accounts--just the old ones. Logging on with an old account, I get the following error:  + %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open display . INTERnet ACP AUXS failure Status=%DECW-E-NOMSG  D I can telnet to the server and login OK with an existing account but? when the application tries to access a drawing I get the error:   ( Error while initializing graphics device  C From my research, I understand that I need to define the new PCs in F Security. But I haven't figured out just how, yet. I'm afraid there isC more to it than that and I have run out of time per management. Can G someone layout the basic steps I need to take to install a PC node into F the VAX system? Just general--I'll work hard at finding the specifics. Something like: % 1. Define the PC in the VMS security. $ 2. Define the VMS servers in Exceed.! 3. Assign new PC to user account. % 4. Whatever the next step would be... E I want to learn and I want this project so I've got to get some solid H steps to show my boss progress. Can anyone help me or am I really out of my league with this?   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 12:22:18 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: Basics of attaching a PC 3 Message-ID: <WK77um+JH2Eb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3F09A059.F83B6750@yahoo.com>, Rodney Carter <rtcarter401@yahoo.com> writes: G > I am a lowly Microsoft/Novell admin who has been thrown into the deep H > end. I don't mind doing my homework but I need some basic help. PleaseH > don't say RTFM because I can find no FM in this shop. After layoffs, IH > have been supporting 5 VAx servers that run BravoDraft for 7 designersE > on PC workstations. The openVMS version is 6.2 and the transport is H > TCP/IP and use Humingbird Exceed. I mostly run backups and check errorF > logs. Unlike their WinTel counterparts, the VAX system seems to takeG > care of itself which leaves me time to patch and restart and baby the E > rest of the network. We have bought upgrade PCs and I have tried to = > mirror the setups of the old systems. There are no new user H > accounts--just the old ones. Logging on with an old account, I get the > following error: > - > %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open display 0 > INTERnet ACP AUXS failure Status=%DECW-E-NOMSG  G    First, check to see if the target PC is hardcoded in thier LOGIN.COM A    or something as the display to use.  Look for a command of the B    type "set display/create/transport=tcpip/node=xx.yy.gg.cc".  IfG    you find that, then change the node's address.  This address instead E    might be stored in the Exceed setup on the PC.  There should be an F    Exceed program to modify this (as an MS admin you know the PC end,     right?).   E    If it is of the form /node=name, then make sure that name is known L    on VMS be correct for the address of the new PC.  If you don't know how, M    then you'll need to tell us which TCP/IP stack you're using.  (See the FAQ     which was just posted.)  F > I can telnet to the server and login OK with an existing account butA > when the application tries to access a drawing I get the error:  > * > Error while initializing graphics device  G    It is also possible that X11 security is in the way, but usually the I    X11 server automatically includes the X11 client it connected to.  If  7    you really have the old PC's hardcoded they'll be in +    decw$user_defaults:decw$smb_security.dat   H    And oh, yes VAX systems running VMS will just take care of themselves    for decades on end.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:50:35 GMT & From: hoffman@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman): Subject: Call for OpenVMS Freeware Submissions: 8-Sep-20032 Message-ID: <vxhOa.4012$Jw7.2498@news.cpqcorp.net>  H      Seeking new or updated submissions for the next HP OpenVMS FreewareF        Revised Submission Date; and Specific Package Requests; New URL  5                        New Deadline: 8 September 2003       L   Do you have or do you know of useful new tools for HP OpenVMS, or updates,K   corrections, or new versions of existing OpenVMS Freeware software tools?      Yes, you probably do.   G   But please do not assume that that the Collector of OpenVMS Freeware  K   (CoOF) knows about these new packages, nor that somebody else has emailed 4   the CoOF about the availability of these packages.  A   Please let the CoOF (OpenVMS.Freeware[at]hp.com) know directly.   L   The CoOF is specifically for newer versions of XPDF (eg: 2.02pl1 or later,H   as available), as well as ports of Ghostscript (eg: 8.10 or later, as C   available), Ghostview, GZip, PHP, MySQL, Python, and other tools.   K   Even if you know of a new tool or know of a new tool version that you are K   not responsible for, please let OpenVMS.Freeware[at]hp.com know about the I   tool -- the CoOF-related folks here (eg: me :-) will work to obtain the H   permission of the author(s) to include the software tool onto the next    OpenVMS Freeware distribution.  8   The (revised) OpenVMS Freeware submission deadline is:        8 September 2003   H   The earlier you can provide the submission ahead of the September 2003K   date, the better and easier it will be and the more likely the CoOF will  J   be able to incorporate the kit.  The later the submission, the less timeK   the CoOF will have available to assist with and to deal with any transfer I   or kitting or configuration or documentation problems that might arise, K   and the less time the CoOF will have to resolve the distribution capacity E   -- the CD capacity issues that arose for the Freeware V5.0 release.   B   Freeware submission information and guidelines are available at:  *     http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/  	   Thanks!         N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:48:22 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: Compaq Solutions Aliance - Do it still existing  ? 3 Message-ID: <0bBhPvQURxxT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <uUquUf658wJv@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: F > I seem to remember reading recently (here perhaps?) that RTF was the > least ugly of the M$ formats.   E   Also the only one Microsoft documented.  For document exchange with G   non-MS products, MS wants you to use RTF.  Just try getting your boss >   and/or customer to distribute docs as RTF instead of MS-doc.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 14:41:13 GMT , From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)? Subject: Re: Compaq Solutions Aliance - Do it still existing  ? 5 Message-ID: <bec0q8$38sam$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   3 In article <0bBhPvQURxxT@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:W > In article <uUquUf658wJv@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: G >> I seem to remember reading recently (here perhaps?) that RTF was the   >> least ugly of the M$ formats. > G >   Also the only one Microsoft documented.  For document exchange with I >   non-MS products, MS wants you to use RTF.  Just try getting your boss @ >   and/or customer to distribute docs as RTF instead of MS-doc. >   ; Unless things have changed considerably since the last time ; I had to deal with it, MS's RTF bears no resemblence to the 6 standard RTF and therefore is totally useless for data	 exchange.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 12:05:46 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ? Subject: Re: Compaq Solutions Aliance - Do it still existing  ? 3 Message-ID: <N9lUgwe9cm+i@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <bec0q8$38sam$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > = > Unless things have changed considerably since the last time = > I had to deal with it, MS's RTF bears no resemblence to the 8 > standard RTF and therefore is totally useless for data > exchange.   G    Except that Microsoft documented it.  So anyone can write to MS-RTF,      even if its not standard RTF.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:37:16 GMT $ From: Steve Young <sdyoung@well.com> Subject: DHCP startup problemsC Message-ID: <slrnbgjbr9.2fne.steve@h68-144-58-171.cg.shawcable.net>      Hello all,  I   I'm having a weird problem with DHCP on my VMS 7.3-1 box running Compaq G TCP/IP.  The problem is that when TCP/IP starts during boot time, it is K unable to get a DHCP lease and starts the machine up without an IP address. F However, if I log in immediately afterwards and deassign SE0 and then < re-create the interface with /DHCP/PRIMARY, it works fine.    C   Can anyone suggest a solution or possible cause for this problem?   	   Thanks,    Steve.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:39:46 -04003 From: "Andy Peters" <savethesheffs@otwebdesign.com> % Subject: Help save this family Please < Message-ID: <9rhOa.19273$Ab1.34108@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>   URGENT PLEASE READ= Our friend recently suffered a heart attack at 46 years old.   He is a regularly working contracted employee (self employed) who will be unable to work for 6 or 7 weeks from the time of the heart attack with absolutely no income.O He has paid taxes all of his life but is not eligible for government assistance  of any type as his wife is working earning $1400.00 monthly. This obviously does not support their family including their 2 kids but does exclude them from any agency help.  i Mrs. Sheffer was even told that if she were a crack head or unemployed, they could then offer assistance.  They have now missed their rent, had to give up their car, had to add $300 monthly in medications and the quality of their life has sunken to new lows.  This is a kind and considerate hard working family who has fallen on temporary hard times and could sure use a kindly hand before it's too late.P We are trying to prove that people DO still care even if our government doesn't.S We have set up a donation PO Box at the address below and could sure use your help!   M Donna Sheffer, 3216 Eglinton ave. east, Scarborough, Ontario, Canada, M1J 2H6 R Your generous donation $1, $2, $5, $10, $20 whatever would be greatly appreciated.3 Help restore a little faith and save a real family. 	 God Bless G See the angioplasty image here.  http://www.otwebdesign.com/apimage.jpg    This is no scam 
 Please help!!    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:03:11 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) D Subject: Re: HP Announces OpenVMS Evaluation Release Version 8.0 for3 Message-ID: <skOax3rygArv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3F031E92.4018B751@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > F > In the past, VMS had a competitive advantage by having its own superN > computers, allowing stuff like galaxy etc etc. One can argue that Wildfire,s@ > performance wasn't all that great, but it was still something.  H    Nonsense.  I can't think of any time at which the computers which VMSE    ran on were outstanding in performance.  For most of VMS's history E    UNIX has been available on those same computers so the notion that >    VMS had an advantage due to hardware performance is absurd.  E    VMS is damn good software.  It sold VAXen and it sold Alphas.  Too *    bad KO thought he was selling hardware.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 07:56:19 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: HP Webcast this morning on Next-Generation Intel Itanium 2 3 Message-ID: <hVDvRxvG$TcI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3F0329DC.ED09DE76@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:F >> > Although also saw that the rx5670 (entry level 4-way) will not be >> supported > M >> Not at all.  VMS is *only* supported on the rx2600 at present.  We will be M >> filling out the offering as we get VMS to full production quality in 2004.  > G > Can you elaborate "supported" ????? Isn't VMS on IA64 still very much 8 > vapourware *from the point of view of customers* ????   C    If you are one of the customers which have VMS I64 now, then you     have support.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:51:46 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> U Subject: Re: HP Webcast this morning on Next-Generation Intel Itanium 2    processors 2 Message-ID: <SVeOa.3985$Ca7.2743@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3F049F1E.F5A293A1@istop.com...  > Keith Parris wrote: G > > Yes.  Galaxy allows communications between nodes via shared memory, 
 > > via both: C > > 1) an emulated LAN interface (EBDRIVER) for any sort of network J > > traffic that could traverse an ordinary LAN, including IP, DECnet, and > > SCS traffic, and> > > 2) a dedicated SCS port driver (PBDRIVER) for SCS traffic. >  > K > Would hard-partitioned Superdomes allow this shared memory out of the box  (or J > crate since they are big), or will some modifications have to be made toC > superdomes to allow this type of interconnect between instances ?  >   C Hard partitioning is, well, hard.  No sharing - at least right now.   E > It was mentioned in the presentation that Tandem will get their own I > specialised boxes and not use the integrity line of machines. Has there  beenL > any consideration in getting VMS to use the same boxes as the Tandem folks (or G > at least the same base, without some of the fault tolerant add-ons) ?  > I > Are superdomes really in a class by themselves, even though they may be  calledI > "integrity" ? If,  it takes about as much work/changes to port VMS from  the J > low end integrity to high end superdome as it would take to port it from low H > end integrity to the tandem class machines, wouldn't it then make some sense < > to consider the tandem class machines as targets for VMS ? >   J The real difference between the low-end and high-end for VMS is supportingJ the cell structure, and getting all of our software (which also applies toK the low-end) in the fault handling area up-to-snuff.  It isn't a "port", it K is the difference between a ES40 and a GS1280.  More of everything, more to  test, higher stresses.  J The NSK hardware is specialized.  Remember that NSK isn't a typical OS, itI is a message passing system with redundancy and checking.  To make use of L the way NSK puts together a system would require a major redesign of VMS for it to be of any use.  K > If VMS is to stay in its high availability niche, it seems to me that the K > tandem line of machines might provide a better image for that niche (even  if? > VMS sites might order some of those boxes without some of the  tandem-specific addons).  K You should really do some research on NSK (what you keep calling Tandem) to . understand just how different an animal it is.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 06:38:46 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> , Subject: RE: HP World (was HP to drop hpux?)R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058A94@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>  B > > I suspect Linux will simply continue to provide a low-cost,=200 > > lower-capability entry point for Unix users. >=20> > ...as well as eventually achieving greater acceptance and=20; > greater penetration into the commercial computing market.  >=20 > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ >=20* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >=20   David,  E Fwiw, my personal $.02 is that there is a lot of hype and speculation H about how big vendors like HP/IBM can add value to an OS like Linux, butF the reality is that if you do not own the kernel, then it is extremely= difficult to ship any add-on product like clustering that may " potentially impact data integrity.  H The reason is that every kernel hot-fix or service pack or maint releaseA may potentially break that add-on product and in something like a & cluster environment, that is bad news.  G One of the biggest challenges Digital had with its add-on NT Clustering H product is that every time Microsoft released a hot fix or service pack,B Customers would rush to install in as it fixed something they wereA experiencing (ok, some did it to keep up with the neighbours).=20   F However, then something would break in the Cluster add-on product, theB call would be escalated, the Customer told to back off that latestE Microsoft fix, and inevitably, some unhappy Customer discussions took F place i.e. it was the cluster product that was broke not the Microsoft@ service pack (after all, "Microsoft has reported no one else hasB experienced this problem"), hence Digital should "fix" its cluster product.  H And with mission critical applications where data integrity is critical,B these types of finger pointing discussions are not a pretty sight.  H That is not to say add-on products like clustering can not be done, justH extremely difficult and you have to understand going in that these types of issues will arise.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:34:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: HP World (was HP to drop hpux?)H Message-ID: <%xfOa.90047$2ay.86955@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageF news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058A94@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp. net...? > > I suspect Linux will simply continue to provide a low-cost, 0 > > lower-capability entry point for Unix users. > ; > ...as well as eventually achieving greater acceptance and ; > greater penetration into the commercial computing market.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >    David,  E Fwiw, my personal $.02 is that there is a lot of hype and speculation D about how big vendors like HP/IBM can add value to an OS like Linux, but F the reality is that if you do not own the kernel, then it is extremely= difficult to ship any add-on product like clustering that may " potentially impact data integrity.  @ The reason is that every kernel hot-fix or service pack or maint release A may potentially break that add-on product and in something like a & cluster environment, that is bad news.  < One of the biggest challenges Digital had with its add-on NT
 ClusteringB product is that every time Microsoft released a hot fix or service pack, B Customers would rush to install in as it fixed something they were> experiencing (ok, some did it to keep up with the neighbours).  F However, then something would break in the Cluster add-on product, theB call would be escalated, the Customer told to back off that latestE Microsoft fix, and inevitably, some unhappy Customer discussions took F place i.e. it was the cluster product that was broke not the Microsoft@ service pack (after all, "Microsoft has reported no one else hasB experienced this problem"), hence Digital should "fix" its cluster product.  > And with mission critical applications where data integrity is	 critical, B these types of finger pointing discussions are not a pretty sight.  C That is not to say add-on products like clustering can not be done,  justB extremely difficult and you have to understand going in that these types  of issues will arise.    -----------------------------    Kerry,  E What you have just said SHOULD be the key used by HP to advertise and F promote VMS extensively to corporations that think they "can get there7 from here" using Linux for business critical computing.   A Sow a little FUD over Linux....as in HP will try and help you get ! there but we offer no guarantees.   A Those that are committed to Linux will push ahead with it anyway; C those that aren't will reconsider VMS as a better solution to their  needs.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 09:16:20 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 0 Subject: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307070816.6ae79f06@posting.google.com>   C There was an interesting article in the July 2003 issue of HP World ? Magazine, page 34. The article is available online via the link 3 http://hpworldnews.c.tclk.net/maabedKaaY0bda4e8YPe/   C (Note: The online copy of the article is accessible only by Interex ; members, but a free level of membership is available -- see  http://www.interex.org.)   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:28:02 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 6 Subject: Re: more on DSSI disks and allocation classes; Message-ID: <01KXZCUL897MAPKEWT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   D > In situations like this the suggested waiting time is at least one
 > minute.    OK, I'll keep that in mind.   2 > Did you also alter the node_id of the dssi disk?  % I changed just ALLCLASS and NODENAME.   G Things work now, and I have more important things to do, so I'll leave   it as it is for now.  G I only have 1 machine in the cluster with a DSSI bus, which has 1 disk  G on it.  This is currently the system disk, but I'll probably move to a  I larger, external, shadowed, SCSI disk and use the internal DSSI disk for  G swap/page.  Then, it will be less important to serve the disk to other  H systems.  (In the case of the system disk it is not strictly necessary, G at least not for routine operation, but I sometimes find it convenient   during maintenance tasks.)  H I changed the ALLCLASS on the DSSI bus to 5.  (It was previously 1, but I I was using 1 on another machine and wanted to keep that and also wanted  D 5 on the new machine, for various reasons.)  I then changed the VMS I ALLOCLASS parameter on the (only) machine connected to the DSSI bus to 5  E as well and told the machine to serve ALL disks.  Both SCSI and DSSI  2 disks now show up as $5$.  I can live with this.    * Is there any reason NOT to live with this?  E Would it make more sense to have a different allocation class on the  3 DSSI bus and the (only) machine it is connected to?   D Did I understand correctly that they used to have to be the same in F order for the disks to be MSCP served, but that this is no longer the  case?P   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 09:08:21 -0500t; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)oI Subject: Re: More than VMS is required, but VMS is a great starting pointu3 Message-ID: <EYlJhEvu$l6K@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  f In article <3f051846.892963013@news.eircom.net>, wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes:H > On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:33:57 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: > G >>A California law that takes effect July 1 will force companies inside G >>and outside the state to do what they historically have been loath tot: >>do: disclose embarrassing information-security breaches. > F > I'm no lawyer, so perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but how canA > the California legislature exert force on companies that aren'ts > located in California?  K    By controlling whether the state government will do bussiness with them.   D    If you are in that kind of work, California is no small customer.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 07:48:05 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>iI Subject: RE: More than VMS is required, but VMS is a great starting point 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEKIHIAA.tom@kednos.com>i   >-----Original Message-----.C >From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org].$ >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:08 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComD >Subject: Re: More than VMS is required, but VMS is a great starting >point >  > 1 >In article <3f051846.892963013@news.eircom.net>,h6 >wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) writes:I >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:33:57 GMT, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:a >>H >>>A California law that takes effect July 1 will force companies insideH >>>and outside the state to do what they historically have been loath to; >>>do: disclose embarrassing information-security breaches.  >>G >> I'm no lawyer, so perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but how canaB >> the California legislature exert force on companies that aren't >> located in California?rI If you have an office in CA you have to register as a foreign corporation G which means that you have a service agent, i.e. recipient of a lawsuit.d > L >   By controlling whether the state government will do bussiness with them. >sE >   If you are in that kind of work, California is no small customer.X >n >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.-; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).-@ >Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 7/4/2003 >o ---f& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 7/4/2003<   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:55:37 -0500s; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Journal 2nd issue now available3 Message-ID: <4KJREsXatOmu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <857e9e41.0307030543.4f0ce2b1@posting.google.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:d > F > For this issue please visit: :<http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/journal>  @    Couldn't read multi-page articles on Netscape 7.0.  Nothing I:    could find would change pages or list additional pages.  @    But the cluster comparison (I grabbed the PDF) is good stuff.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:28:33 -0230, From: "Jeff Barnes" <barnesjw@dfo-mpo.gc.ca>/ Subject: Recursive copy between nodes using LATv, Message-ID: <5GhOa.1938$Fy1.91872@localhost>   Helloo  I I am trying to copy a directory structure (a recursive copy) from one VMS L node running LAT to another running LAT and TCP/IP.  Any assistance would be appreciated.   Thanks barnesjw@dfo-mpo.gc.ca   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:03:14 -0230, From: "Jeff Barnes" <barnesjw@dfo-mpo.gc.ca>3 Subject: Re: Recursive copy between nodes using LATe, Message-ID: <CaiOa.1942$Fy1.91859@localhost>  J OK, OK both are running DECnet (I can set host from one to the other).  MyK problem is still the same and your solution, unlike most on this newsgroup,s: is not very helpful.  Why do you bother responding at all?    H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:qV3fzTTNeENj@eisner.encompasserve.org...g< > In article <5GhOa.1938$Fy1.91872@localhost>, "Jeff Barnes"  <barnesjw@dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:	 > > Hellof > >pI > > I am trying to copy a directory structure (a recursive copy) from one- VMS-G > > node running LAT to another running LAT and TCP/IP.  Any assistance. would be > > appreciated. >lI >    LAT is not a file transport.  You'll need to get at least one common . >    network between the two systems, such as: >r7 >    1)  TCP/IP, since you already have that on one end 0 >    2)  DECnet, a fine network you should learn3 >    3)  sneakernet, you get to fill in the detailsI >i   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 12:24:15 -0500I; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)P3 Subject: Re: Recursive copy between nodes using LATI3 Message-ID: <qV3fzTTNeENj@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  [ In article <5GhOa.1938$Fy1.91872@localhost>, "Jeff Barnes" <barnesjw@dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:- > Hello- > K > I am trying to copy a directory structure (a recursive copy) from one VMS N > node running LAT to another running LAT and TCP/IP.  Any assistance would be > appreciated.  G    LAT is not a file transport.  You'll need to get at least one commonc,    network between the two systems, such as:  5    1)  TCP/IP, since you already have that on one end0.    2)  DECnet, a fine network you should learn1    3)  sneakernet, you get to fill in the detailsr  S   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:07:42 -0500<; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l Subject: Re: Rethinking  V.M.S3 Message-ID: <WRwXXHuYPGhH@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  U In article <3F03225E.AC8837D3@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:n > E > In spite of what others have said this deserves some consideration.iA > While it's true it would not be practical in all situations, intJ > environments where there are not a lot of processes running, this may beG > possible. As you stated, paging, swapping, related to disk I/O delay,"E > could be eliminated, but so could all the cycles related to address3) > translation, working sets and the like..  G   If you have enough RAM, there isn't any paging or swapping except forfC   initially paging in the program when it starts.  So you don't getnB   any advantage by taking out the capability (you still have to do+   I/O somehow to get the program into RAM)..  F   There aren't really cycles used up for address translation.  AddressH   translation happens in the pipeline parallel to instruction execution.G   And you still have to track working sets and the like unless you wantpF   my process to clobber data in your process' space.  Like MS-DOS.  No	   thanks.d      ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:11:00 -0500c; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t Subject: Re: Rethinking  V.M.S3 Message-ID: <EjVc1upTWC2Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <20030702220731.63367.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:  > What lastest OSes ?  > < > The commercial Windows NT/2000 is a Dave Cutler project ! @ > It's not like VMS because of some patents problems, I believe.  C    Get real.  Just because Dave Culter has reused his I/O subsystem /    design again does not make Windows his work.c  = > Unix is 35 years old and Linux is a well-done-copy of Unix,,8 > see the shells, file systems, etc... nothing changing.6 > I dont see difference between both OSes, in terms of5 > system management, just in kernel modes. What it is>+ > not important for 99% of the customers ! o  A    They sure look different to me.  I've yet to find a ksh I likenA    on Linux.  And system management depends on who's UNIX you buyr    or who's Linux CD you load.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:11:44 -0500e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m Subject: Re: Rethinking  V.M.S3 Message-ID: <WB6gjDEghCIo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <20030702222109.54536.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:y > ( > Memory --> Memory (PAGEnn:  / SWAPnn:)  $    Now that's a waste of CPU cycles.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:13:49 +0200 (MET)w9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Subject: Re: Rethinking  V.M.S; Message-ID: <01KXZENWLN9EAPKEWT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>f  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   s > In article <20030702220731.63367.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:m > > What lastest OSes ?  > > > > > The commercial Windows NT/2000 is a Dave Cutler project ! B > > It's not like VMS because of some patents problems, I believe. > E >    Get real.  Just because Dave Culter has reused his I/O subsystem/1 >    design again does not make Windows his work.a  E It's amazing how often the "Dave Cutler secretly implemented a fully eG functional version of VMS within NT and this is what makes NT so good" b8 myth, which is wrong in several ways, keeps coming back.  G Think of what features really set VMS apart from the competition, like wA clusters and volume shadowing.  Then look up what version of VMS ,I introduced these features.  Then put the fact that Cutler left after VMS   1.0 in your pipe and smoke it.  G Microsoft's marketing department probably put the initial "VMS inside" gG spin by exaggerating Cutler's contribution to VMS, and apparently some r people still believe it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:41:48 GMTe4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) Subject: Re: Rethinking  V.M.S= Message-ID: <MEfOa.26924$Ey6.11660@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>a  w In article <01KXZENWLN9EAPKEWT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:w |snip| | H |Microsoft's marketing department probably put the initial "VMS inside" H |spin by exaggerating Cutler's contribution to VMS, and apparently some  |people still believe it.t |e  L On 30-JUN-1992, in comp.os.vms, a fellow named Rob Young put this sig at the end of his post:   "young@tattoo.cs.widener.eduM " I see Dave Cutler, the man who created VMS, every time I go to Seattle.  He-K is working on Microsoft NT, which I think is going to be very far-reaching.p0 It's going to grab the rug out from under Unix."B                                                          -- Gordon Bell"n   Google is your friend.	:-)  A _________________________________________________________________w0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"? bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt	"Lose the MAPS, and replace 3 (please note the new e-mail address)	'-at-' with @"n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:00:29 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s Subject: RE: Rethinking  V.M.S9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEKJHIAA.tom@kednos.com>H  G IIRC, Cutler moved to Seattle area sometime around `84-`85 as a Digitalr employeeL and set up (or was part of ) the Digital Western Research Labs (I think that is whathI it was called)  and wrote some version of VMS (in Pascal I was once told)C	 that theyeH ported to a machine based on the Motorola 68000.  This may or may not be true, InH never bothered to independently corroborate it.  That being true (notice subjunctive)1 I wonder if that may have been the origins of NT?    >-----Original Message-----s< >From: Bradford J. Hamilton [mailto:brad@.gateway.2wire.net]$ >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:42 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: Rethinking V.M.S >t > < >In article <01KXZENWLN9EAPKEWT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>,< >Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: >|snip|  >|H >|Microsoft's marketing department probably put the initial "VMS inside"H >|spin by exaggerating Cutler's contribution to VMS, and apparently some >|people still believe it. >| >dB >On 30-JUN-1992, in comp.os.vms, a fellow named Rob Young put this >sig at theo >end of his post:o >o >"young@tattoo.cs.widener.edunA >" I see Dave Cutler, the man who created VMS, every time I go tow
 >Seattle.  HeoL >is working on Microsoft NT, which I think is going to be very far-reaching.1 >It's going to grab the rug out from under Unix."gC >                                                         -- Gordon  >Bell" >s >Google is your friend.	:-)i >nB >_________________________________________________________________1 >Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"a@ >bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt	"Lose the MAPS, and replace4 >(please note the new e-mail address)	'-at-' with @" >g >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.d; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).,@ >Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 7/4/2003 >u ---:& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 7/4/2003n   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 12:03:22 -0500q; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: RE: Rethinking  V.M.S3 Message-ID: <6Tyb5g6yhj$l@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEKJHIAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:uI > IIRC, Cutler moved to Seattle area sometime around `84-`85 as a Digitaln
 > employeeN > and set up (or was part of ) the Digital Western Research Labs (I think that	 > is whatFK > it was called)  and wrote some version of VMS (in Pascal I was once told)F > that they.2 > ported to a machine based on the Motorola 68000.  G    I think you mean Micropower PASCAL, which ran on a VAX and later wasa#    renamed VAX ELN.  It is not VMS.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:57:14 GMTo9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>o Subject: Re: Rethinking  V.M.S1 Message-ID: <_viOa.4031$0H7.823@news.cpqcorp.net>c  H "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message >F > It's amazing how often the "Dave Cutler secretly implemented a fullyH > functional version of VMS within NT and this is what makes NT so good": > myth, which is wrong in several ways, keeps coming back. >0H > Think of what features really set VMS apart from the competition, likeB > clusters and volume shadowing.  Then look up what version of VMSJ > introduced these features.  Then put the fact that Cutler left after VMS  > 1.0 in your pipe and smoke it. >aH > Microsoft's marketing department probably put the initial "VMS inside"H > spin by exaggerating Cutler's contribution to VMS, and apparently some > people still believe it. >v  I Sigh.  Just as you underplay his contribution.  In terms of raw kernel OSFK design, Dave is pretty much up there as one of a handful of people who haveeD designed core logic for multiple _new_ commercially viable operatingE systems.  Yes, you can see the evolution, and the similarities in the-7 systems that he worked on - from RSX all the way to NT.O  J Did he invent Clusters?  No.  He didn't invent Windows either.  ClusteringK has become a large part of VMS, but that doesn't take away from the rest ofO' the system and people who worked on it.-  J I've contributed to an OS.  I know people who have contributed to multipleK ones.  There are people out there who's entire fame rests on implementing anJ single variation of UNIX.  Yeah, Dave's reputation *is* deserved - even if3 people sometime give him too much (or sole) credit.s   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 07:54:34 -0500b; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Rethinking V.M.Sl3 Message-ID: <dSTrD7SH1kSe@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  V In article <3F031C21.BBC948F7@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:= > re: giving up virtual memory since real memory is so cheap.  > G > When one thinks about the 4 memory protection levels for VMS, is thisgM > dependant on virtual memory being active ? Or could such a scheme work with  > real memory ?   F    This level of memory protection is implemented in the CPU hardware,=    often in the same subsystem that implements virtual memoryeN    translation.  One could in principle design a CPU that implements any part '    of it and leaves out any part of it.r  O > When my poorly written application tries to write a word to address 0 because>I > a pointer hasn't been initialised,  at what level, how and why does thet@ > operating system decide that I am not allowed to write there ?  F    The CPU detects the failure and informs the OS (how is architectureK    dependent but generally involves some form of exception or interrupt).  aK    The OS checks the type of failure and determines what to do in response.eM    In this case VMS will convert the exception to an access violation signal.   K > Is it correct to assume that when I write to address 0, this is a virtualeO > address ? Does it get translated to a hardware address because the OS decidesn" > I am not allowed to touch that ?  D    It is a virtual address and does not get translated to a hardwareC    address because the OS will not pass a mapping for it to the CPU@&    hardware that does the translation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:42:35 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>m Subject: Re: Running VMS off CD0H Message-ID: <vFfOa.90103$2ay.21709@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3F079E9B.933DE84F@fsi.net...h > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:r > >lD > > On Fri, 04 Jul 2003, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > > >"Doc.Cypher" wrote:
 > > >> [snip]n@ > > >> On a slightly related note, does anyone know of a package
 (available to-F > > >> Hobbyists) which gives similar functionality to the *ix package "tripwire"?  > > >gC > > >Rather depends on what "tripwire" is and what it does. Care tof > > >elucidate?5 > >.1 > > I came up with half of the solution myself...a > >d	 > > $ SETtA SECURITY/ACL=((ALARM=SECURITY,ACCESS=WR+DE+CO+SUCCESS+FAILURE), -  > >w8 (AUDIT=SECURITY,ACCESS=WR+DE+CO+SUCCESS+FAILURE)  <file> >H# > I'd add that to my VMS wish list:t >t( > $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC SECURITY_NOTIFY -+ > SYS$MANAGER:NOTIFY_BY_EMAIL_AND_PAGER.COM - > $! KERNEL MODE LOGICAL WOULD BE MOST SECUREt > $ SET SECURITY/ACL=(-n > (ALARM=SECURITY,-o# > ACCESS=WR+DE+CO+SUCCESS+FAILURE,-  > ACTION=@SECURITY_NOTIFY), --= > (AUDIT=SECURITY,ACCESS=WR+DE+CO+SUCCESS+FAILURE))  <object>4 > B > ...or perhaps SET AUDIT/ACTION would be more appropriate. Dunno, haven't C > thought it through much yet. In any case, the process environmenti withinC > which the action executes should provide environment symbols from4 which ? > information can be retrieved such as the identity of the usery trippingF > the ALARM or AUDIT, the identity and class of the target object, the= > action attempted, the result (SUCCESS or FAILURE), etc. ...u >sE > As for SET AUDIT/LISTENER, the listener process should probably runr in a > proc. similar to:l >T > $ set noon > $restart:o > $ run <listener> > $ wait 00:00:01b > $ goto restart >fF > The one(1) second wait allows a chance to kill it if it "runs away".    F Or watchdog process could monitor the <listener> and restart it should it die.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:54:10 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n Subject: Re: Running VMS off CDdH Message-ID: <mQfOa.90197$2ay.83205@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3F05B1AD.422E9FBE@fsi.net...a > Island wrote:v > >n. > > You could always use a zip drive/jaz drive > >d( > > You can write lock those can't you ? > >o > > They are pretty quick too !a > >c > > DT >O? > Jaz drives are notorious undependable, usually a "heat death"  relatedv
 > problem. >a@ > Zip drives acquired a bad rep. when the Zip-100s developed the	 "click ofl > death" syndrome. >t> > I believe both suffer from the fact that the write-lock is aD > "soft-lock"; that is, a characteristic set on the cartridge, not aD > hardware feature. The software to set the write-lock and/or "I'm a@ > really a hard drive" feature I believe is generally limited to
 > WhineBloze.8 >fF > You could go with the Castlewood ORB drive (2.2GB (1.98GBF ODS-2) orA > 5.xGB (ODS GBF unknown), also; but, it suffers from the same orw similar  > write-lock limitations.c  > An external single drive case with external scsi interface and. internal scsi or ide interface might work too.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:17:13 -0400, From: "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com>Y Subject: Re: SNMP Commands (was Re: How do I monitor the CPU temperature in  an         EM+ Message-ID: <bebrt2$2r9$1@news.process.com>h  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3F0878CE.889AB110@fsi.net...r > # > O.k. Let me try this another way:o >VH > I'm looking for a way - from a VMS system running Multinet - to send aE > SNMP trap to a "foreign" system monitoring center (at work, they're  > trying to use Cisco's CIC).o >s > Does *THAT* help?r > H > I *DON'T* want to use the VMS system examine other systems, I want theD > VMS system to be able to alert a "foreign" system when some bit ofG > system administrivia goes awry (disk fills up, shadow-set member gets # > dropped, backup job fails, etc.).g >l > Does *THAT* help?0 >n > -- e > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems> > http://www.djesys.com/ >u* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w  E If you have a support contract with Process Software, then you shoulds+ contact support for help with this problem.m  ( The basic steps that you need to do are:G 1) add a COMMUNITY name ip-address TRAPS to MULTINET:SNMP.CONF for each6A address that you want to send the trap to. (see chapter 23 in the-% Installation & Administrator's Guide)   5 2) define the symbol: trap_gen :== $multinet:trap_genm  J 3)                  $ trap_gen <enterprise> <generic_trap> <specific_trap>.                   [<trap_specific_values>....]  H           <enterprise> identifies the location in the MIB tree that this0           trap pertains to. An example would be:                    1.3.6.1.4.105.3,  L           which denotes a location in Process Software Corporation's portion           of the MIB tree.  K           <generic_trap> is an integer representing the generic trap value.i  F           <specific_trap> is an integer representing the specific trap value.  J           <trap_specific_values> are arbitrary strings separated by spacesK           that are passed to the agent receiving the trap as octet strings.i  I           The TRAP_GEN program uses the trap community definitions in theiG           MULTINET:SNMPD.CONF file to determine where to send the trap.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:30:01 -0500n From: briggs@encompasserve.orgY Subject: Re: SNMP Commands (was Re: How do I monitor the CPU temperature in  an         E 3 Message-ID: <3BtJhbHElF7L@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  c In article <1ca82fc6.0307061815.45694de9@posting.google.com>, dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) writes: b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3F0878CE.889AB110@fsi.net>... >> Verne wrote:b >> > m >> > > >> > >[snip] >> > > >> > hI >> > Don't know if this would help, but once I tried some SNMP stuff, andrH >> > from the on-line help (HELP MULTI SHOW /SNMP) and the Info-MultinetH >> > mailing list archives at www.process.com, I came up with (perhaps a >> > trivial example): >> >  ; >> >   mul show /snmp=11.22.33.44/mib=mib-2.43.10.2.1.4.1.1e >> > c >> > and >> >  M >> >   mul show /snmp=11.22.33.44/mib=enterprises.11.2.3.9.4.2.2.10.2.1.4.1.1a >> > tI >> > to see the lifetime page counter on a printer... at least this works1I >> > on newer HP JetDirect-attached printers, such as the LJ5, LJ4000 anda0 >> > the LJ2100 (would not work on a III or IV). >> >  D >> > Sorry, but I forget where I got the MIB variable 'id' from  :-( >> o% >> Yeah - discovered those ages ago. w >> r5 >> $ MULT SHOW/CONN/SNMP=x.x.x.x/MIB_VAR/OUT=filespec. >>  F >> ...will list out all the MIB varaibles on the target node and their >> current values. >> i$ >> O.k. Let me try this another way: >> iI >> I'm looking for a way - from a VMS system running Multinet - to send a F >> SNMP trap to a "foreign" system monitoring center (at work, they're >> trying to use Cisco's CIC). >>   >> Does *THAT* help? >> rI >> I *DON'T* want to use the VMS system examine other systems, I want the2E >> VMS system to be able to alert a "foreign" system when some bit ofRH >> system administrivia goes awry (disk fills up, shadow-set member gets$ >> dropped, backup job fails, etc.). >> > >> Does *THAT* help?: > Your "foreign" system admin should be able to tell you -9 > the ip address of the system that will receive the trapa > the community name to user > the port to use (162?)/ > the "enterprise" (compaq is 1.3.6.1.4.1.232.)k= > the oid to use within 232 to indicate disk full or whatevert) > use this link to identify "enterprises"f4 > http://www.alvestrand.no/objectid/1.3.6.1.4.1.html  @ The key piece that David is missing is not the community string,; MIB variable or UDP port number.  It is a piece of software/4 that would allow _traps_ to be _sent_ from Multinet.  C One way to go would be to write a program to format the UDP datagam = and send it yourself.  Once you come up to speed on the ASN.1l? coding conventions, this would not be much work.  But coming upi to speed can be a pain.t  = David -- I have some very old software that I wrote in C thati> does SNMP gets and sets under Multinet ($QIO interface).  It's; "roll your own" code and includes pieces which do the ASN.1 C formatting for the outbound SNMP requests and ASN.1 parsing for thepE resulting responses.  It's huge, site specific and pretty ugly but iteA should have most of the support routines you would need to use to < craft a trap datagram.  And the comments contain pretty much= everything I know about ASN.1.  E-mail me if you want a copy.k   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:10:37 GMT , From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>Y Subject: Re: SNMP Commands (was Re: How do I monitor the CPU temperature in  an         E > Message-ID: <1YgOa.82$1c6.15462519@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3F0878CE.889AB110@fsi.net...e >fH > I'm looking for a way - from a VMS system running Multinet - to send aE > SNMP trap to a "foreign" system monitoring center (at work, they'rec > trying to use Cisco's CIC).g >g  A Back when we could actually spend money on our VMS systems we gotn a product from these guys:  ' http://www.comtekservices.com/index.htma  J We've been using is for quite a while and as I remember, it's quite cheap. WeG send the traps to an HP OpenView thing which forwards them to something H called NetCool.  One real nice feature is that traps can be generated by certain C strings in OPCOM messages and since we already had standardized ours applicationp OPCOM's this plugged right in.   Jim5   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:40:12 GMTm4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)Y Subject: Re: SNMP Commands (was Re: How do I monitor the CPU temperature in  an         Er- Message-ID: <MnhOa.27775$Ix2.11640@rwcrnsc54>p  m In article <1YgOa.82$1c6.15462519@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:o |e= |"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message " |news:3F0878CE.889AB110@fsi.net... |>I |> I'm looking for a way - from a VMS system running Multinet - to send aoF |> SNMP trap to a "foreign" system monitoring center (at work, they're |> trying to use Cisco's CIC). |> | B |Back when we could actually spend money on our VMS systems we got |a product from these guys:o |w( |http://www.comtekservices.com/index.htm | K |We've been using is for quite a while and as I remember, it's quite cheap.   M We used their services at my previous job, and I can recommend them.  Producte support was good and fast.    A _________________________________________________________________a0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"? bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt	"Lose the MAPS, and replacei3 (please note the new e-mail address)	'-at-' with @"u   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:23:06 -0700e1 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)b5 Subject: Sybase Migrations External Website availableu= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0307070723.224439cc@posting.google.com>   
 Newsgroup,  1 I just recevied this and wanted to pass it along.n   sueu  1 _________________________________________________e  < I'm happy to announce the Sybase Migrations Website.  Go to:T hp OpenVMS systems solutions and applications (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/)   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:48:27 +0200 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n0 Subject: SYS$SPECIFIC and SYS$COMMON not enough?; Message-ID: <01KXZKP04MZUAM7Y4A@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F Basically, the idea is that stuff specific to a given node will be in H its SYS$SPECIFIC directory and stuff common to all nodes (satellites or F not) booting from the same system disk will be in SYS$COMMON.  A good 2 idea as far as it goes, but does it go far enough?  G In particular, there are two additional categories, which I'll give theuC obvious names SYS$CLUSTER and SYS$WORLD.  SYS$CLUSTER would includeo> stuff common to all nodes in a cluster, i.e. would differ fromF SYS$COMMON if there is more than one system disk in the cluster.  The E obvious place for this stuff is somewhere which is not on ANY system -C disk.  SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE provides (at least in newer iE versions of VMS, starting with 7.2 I believe) a list of at least the aG most common candidates among VMS system files.  Add to this procedures mH to mount disks in a cluster, SYLOGIN.COM etc.  (Obviously, I'm thinking F of a cluster where as much as possible is shared.)  SYS$WORLD, on the H other hand, would include stuff which is common to ALL VMS system disks H in the world, e.g. the executables used by VMS itself.  Obviously, this  should be on EVERY system disk.   H Put another way, the current SYS$COMMON is a mixture of stuff common to H all nodes which boot from that disk, stuff common to all VMS systems in I the world and, if the stuff is not located somewhere else (pointed to by  H logicals in the case of VMS system files), stuff common to all nodes in > the cluster (perhaps duplicated on more than one system disk).  H SYS$CLUSTER is currently supported somewhat, though of course this name @ is not used: one can use logicals to point to files used by VMS H utilities (such as SYSUAF.DAT used by AUTHORIZE) and it is easy to tell G SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM to execute a command file located  D off the system disk to (directly or indirectly) do stuff like mount I disks within the cluster.  (This DOES have to be maintained, though, for n each system disk.)  H What worries me more is that what is left in SYS$COMMON is a mixture of I stuff common to all nodes booting from that disk and stuff common to all   VMS systems in the world.e  H In a shared-everything cluster, multiple system disks are there just forA redundancy, and one can put the SYS$CLUSTER stuff somewhere else. F Obviously, for the redundancy, one wants multiple copies of SYS$WORLD,F and the present SYS$COMMON seems like a good place to have it.  Still,F one can think of realistic examples of stuff which is shared among allG nodes booting from a common system disk, but not among all nodes in thenI cluster, much less all nodes in the world.  (For example, one might have yH one boot server and its satellites in one room, another boot server and I its satellites in another room, and want to define SYS$PRINT to point to cI (queues which eventually resolve to a queue that prints on) a printer in eE the room where the machines are.  Ugly workarounds are to define the  H logical individually on each node, or use conditional code in a command + procedure located in the SYS$CLUSTER area.)s  
 Questions:  H What are some real-world examples of stuff which is common to all nodes G which boot from a common system disk, but not common to all nodes in a t5 cluster, even in a share-as-much-as-possible cluster?i  I Is there any chance of extending definitions like SYS$SYSROOT to include  3 SYS$CLUSTER while retaining backward compatibility?n  F One area where the current confusing situation manifests itself is theH following strategy: maintain ONE "master system disk", i.e. upgrade thisH disk, install layered products on it etc then replace other system disksD with (modified) copies of this disk (mainly, modifications are stuffI related to changing the node name).  In other words, it would be nice if  F SYS$COMMON (SYS$WORLD in this context) contained ONLY stuff common to G all VMS system disks in the world.  (Another worry is how to deal with eG SYS$SPECIFIC; it's not just a matter of saving the contents before the 7H upgrade and putting them back later, since the upgrade itself might add ! or modify files in SYS$SPECIFIC.)    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:33:51 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)lL Subject: Re: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical3 Message-ID: <D0HayLTU6adl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3F05B93F.DCFAEE81@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > re: folks still running VAXEsi > N > If I were the onwer of VMS, I'd go to any/all VAX customers and ask them whyP > they are still on VAX and what it would take to get them to upgrade to a newer7 > platform. Until this is done, one can only speculate.        We're still on VAXen because:      1) they works@    2) the DRQ3B some of them use was abandon by DEC at VMS 5.5-2E    3) the 8x version of the Ada compiler some of them use still worksCG    4) the application models a system that will not change through it's D       planned life through 2012, and will be abandon at end of life,)       most likely in a destructive mannervF    5) the customer pays Gartner to tell them not to start anything new       on VMS  L    We're also on Alphas and looking for a good justification to get an IA64,J    but we're not about to shut down the VAXen.  Heck, we just didn't shut K    down the PDP-11/70 until a few years after we got our second generation -
    of Alphas..   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 04:54:17 -0500g- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)aS Subject: Re: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical UpdateR3 Message-ID: <QhFn6i+DJDkI@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  e In article <A_5Oa.3511$%71.181749@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:j  J > 2. They stated that VAX would not be "supported" in a mixed architectureP > cluster which included Itanium unless there was a demand for it from customersN > (I'm assuming that these customers are people with support contracts and not > "us newsgroup rats").:  F For those without support contracts, it does not matter whether or notC it is supported, since there is no opportunity to get that support.o   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:35:57 -0500t; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)aS Subject: Re: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical Updatej3 Message-ID: <W9OhHH8I2VJG@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  e In article <A_5Oa.3511$%71.181749@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:c > N > 3. One person pointed out that some OpenVMS system managers would rather notP > tell their bosses that VAXes are compatible in this type of cluster. The wholeP > idea of a tri-architecture cluster is quaint but probably not practical in all > companies.  H    Reminds me of those days when you could cluster a VAX 9000 with a VAX4    2000 and there was no load balancing the the DLM.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 08:21:11 -0500t; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)sY Subject: RE: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical Update Updat.3 Message-ID: <fQrrLTrhbTbF@eisner.encompasserve.org>z  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEIAHIAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: C > Is it possible for a VMS image to be a member of two separate ando' > distinct clusters?  A cluster bridge?c      No.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:58:04 +0100s* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>Y Subject: Re: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawa Technical Update Update' Message-ID: <bebcsi$ali$1@lore.csc.com>   , Top posting isn't me, but to retain context:   Tom Linden wrote:f >  > Just curious.d >  > >-----Original Message-----t: > >From: Lars Holmstrm [mailto:lars.holmstrom@flysta.net]& > >Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 3:09 PM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE > >Subject: Re: Tri-architecture cluster demonstrated at DECUS Ottawae! > >Technical Update Update Updatee > >i > >e@ > >Possible ? It is not supported. I also guess it can not since > >there are onlynN > >one single instance of many functionallity block like SYSGEN parameters etc- > >that are required by the (single) cluster.e > >iJ > >Why do you ask (Do you have a problem we can help you solve, or are you > >simply curious) ? > >i > >/Lars > >Y > > 1 > >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in messagen6 > >news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEIAHIAA.tom@kednos.com...F > >> Is it possible for a VMS image to be a member of two separate and* > >> distinct clusters?  A cluster bridge?  E You could create application to application "bridges" using DECnet or:D even TCPIP to do just whatever you want. To some degree you would beG reinventing the cluster, but it would be in your application. DECdfs isc, another product which provides file sharing.  F e.g. there is third party software that can mirror disks over networks? between systems, share tapes, and task to task DECnet is a well  established technique. nD You are not reliant on the operating system version, but this is the "poor mans cluster".   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2003 12:06:57 -050034 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)A Subject: Re: VAX Vup Listing not available on HP - where is it ?? 3 Message-ID: <efVNvBezoKiK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <01KXV0FW92HUAPKEWT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:AK >> As a BTW, I've got a file CALCULATE_VUPS.COM which gave me very accuratesK >> answers on a variety of VAX machines that I once had.  And seems to give K >> a good "VUPS" for our Alpha machines where we have measured CPU times inp >> our applications. i >> rH >> I suspect I got it from here (c.o.v or info-vax) and cut the headingsH >> and footings, so I have lost the attribution since the author did not9 >> identify himself within the .COM part of the message.   >> SH >> If the author is still around (and if it is from here that I got it),J >> hopefully he can post it to you and hopefully "admit" to authorship.  I* >> would like to maintain an attribution.  > I > There was something like that posted here.  I was quite impressed when tJ > it gave 7.6 for a VAXstation 3100 M76.  :-)  IIRC, Steve Lionel pointed > > out that this is NOT the actual code used to calculate VUPs. > ; > I saved the whole post, commenting out the non-code bits:d > 6 >    http://www.astro.multivax.de:8000/phillip/vup.com >   @ That's the CALCULATE_VUPS.COM that comes with Diskeeper, written; by Rick Cadruvi (IIRC).   If you have DK you can find it in.@ SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ESICM]CALCULATE_VUPS.COM.  Since, at the time, we@ only had a VS2K, VS3100-20, MVII and a VS3100 M76 to test it on,4 it's not surprizing that the 7.6 came out as it did.  > Be warned when using it on the newer Alphas, though.  Since it= will keep calculating until it gets a reading that is plus ori= minus five of the last reading, it may take a while for it toi< finish.  My DS10 at work took so long I thought I'd hung the< machine (with simple DCL?), so I put in some dbg statements.? Eventually it finished (with a VUPage of 1026) but it took five 
 minutes.     ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:32:01 +0200 (MET)-9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>0# Subject: Re: VMS-Upgrade from disk?H; Message-ID: <01KXZDB35U4IAPKEWT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>S  K > > I have heard of people installing from a copy of an ALPHA CD (for speedrH > > reasons).  Both are Files-11 CDs and an image copy is an image copy. > : > Mr Deininger mention BACKUP/IMAGE of the CD onto a disk.  * Right, I meant a DISK copy of an ALPHA CD.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:39:11 GMTj3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) # Subject: Re: VMS-Upgrade from disk?a2 Message-ID: <PmhOa.4011$bs7.3589@news.cpqcorp.net>  1 In article <be41pt$lv9$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, o5 gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:y  O >is it possible to make an image copy of the OpenVMS 7.3-1 CD and do the systemN* >upgrade from there? The same for VAX-VMS?   Yes.   -- oJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:04:52 GMTt# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)"# Subject: Re: VMS-Upgrade from disk?t2 Message-ID: <UKhOa.4016$Jw7.3896@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <rdeininger-0407031108270001@user-105n8km.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:mQ :In article <be41pt$lv9$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de wrote:2 :sC :>is it possible to make an image copy of the OpenVMS 7.3-1 CD and s9 :>do the system upgrade from there? The same for VAX-VMS?   F   Yes and yes (respectively :-), your licenses permitting (of course).  5 :It certainly works for Alpha.  I do it all the time.r  D   This is how we stage the OpenVMS Alpha installations and upgrades,D   and one of the more common mechanisms used to transfer and to load2   the OpenVMS upgrades within OpenVMS engineering.  H :BACKUP/IMAGE of the CD onto a disk, I add my own directories containing' :layered product kits and various ECO. c  K   For transfering OpenVMS Alpha kits, BACKUP/IMAGE is effectively required.o  C :I haven't tried it on a VAX, but I suspect it will work similarly.   G   OpenVMS VAX systems upgrade differently than OpenVMS Alpha -- central_H   to the difference is the use of VMSINSTAL on OpenVMS VAX versus use ofJ   PCSI on OpenVMS Alpha -- to upgrade OpenVMS VAX, you can point VMSINSTALG   at and can thus load the VMS0%%.% savesets from tape, CD, or magnetic-L   disk.  No need to copy the full kit around, you can copy just the VMS0%%.%I   and DECW0%%.% savesets -- unlike OpenVMS VAX, OpenVMS Alpha effectivelyMK   requires that the full CD distribution disk contents be copied (typicallys6   via BACKUP/IMAGE) over to the (bootable) disk media.        N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqeN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com(   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 07:37:20 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)A Subject: [IEEE 802.1X] Any VMS software for 802.1X in the chain ?70 Message-ID: <Qq9Oa.426$1F6.19005@news.chello.at>  N We recently learned, that switches will all get 802.1X security/authenticationJ features (means, you have to authenticate on the switch with 802.1X beforeI the switch opens the Ethernet port). M$, ENTERASYS and probably CISCO aredM supporters/initiators of this standard, so in the not so far future, VMS will|K probably have another disadvantage if it doesn't get an 802.1X client, too.a  < Do you already know of (HPQ's) plans for such an extension ?K Anyone already ported a freeware client (like from http://www.open1x.org) ?e   TIAm   -- t Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERk% Network and OpenVMS system specialisto E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.372 ************************ >nB >_________________________________________________________________1 >Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"a@ >bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt	"Lose the MAPS, and replace4 >(please note the new e-mail address)	'-at-' with @" >g >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.d; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).,@ >Version: 6.0.497 / Viru;qcc
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