1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 375       Contents:1 "Advanced server" and Samba Domain Authentication $ Advanced Server and Active Directory( Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory Re: Any news on Exabyte? Re: APC UPS control for VMS  Re: APC UPS control for VMS  Re: Cannot see disk drives. Re: Converting VMS Formats to IEEE equivalents. Re: Converting VMS Formats to IEEE equivalents. RE: Converting VMS Formats to IEEE equivalentsJ D.H. Brown: EV7 AlphaServers Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful PerformanceN Re: D.H. Brown: EV7 AlphaServers Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful Performance Re: DHCP startup problems  Re: DHCP startup problems  Re: DHCP startup problems  Ethernet Cluster Password  Re: Ethernet Cluster Password  Re: Ethernet Cluster Password  Re: Ethernet Cluster Password  Re: Ethernet Cluster Password C five modes (Was: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?) G Re: five modes (Was: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?) G Re: five modes (Was: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?) G Re: five modes (Was: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?) ! Gartner HP vendor rating upgraded % Re: Gartner HP vendor rating upgraded % Re: Gartner HP vendor rating upgraded  Re: KVM switches Re: KVM switches Re: KVM switches Re: KVM switches Re: KVM switches Re: KVM switches$ Re: LTO-2 Ultrium tape drive and VMS OpenVMS + BMC Control-M  Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal  Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal  Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal  Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal  Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal  Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal P Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!   t@ Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day in Chicago - Only 10 days away!" problem with MONITOR CLUSTER (VPM)& Re: problem with MONITOR CLUSTER (VPM) Re: RDB V7.  Re: RDB V7.  Re: RDB V7.  Re: Restoring an backup  Restoring an backup  Re: Restoring an backup  Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released, Re: swapping system disks (was: RE: RDB V7.) Re: X11 proxy on VMS ?* Re: [Mozilla 1.4] bug in pref-advanced.xul* Re: [Mozilla 1.4] bug in pref-advanced.xul* Re: [Mozilla 1.4] bug in pref-advanced.xul  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:40:48 -0400 # From: Tom Rymes <tomnews@rymes.net> : Subject: "Advanced server" and Samba Domain AuthenticationE Message-ID: <tomnews-D09CC4.21404608072003@news.comcast.giganews.com>   D OK, I'm asking a question to which the answer is either "Yeah! I am   doing that here!" or "YOU FOOL!"   Either way, here goes:  E We are planning to replace our MicroVAX tomorrow with an AlphaServer  E DS20. That should be a welcome change, assuming all goes as planned.  C Now, I also run a RedHat linux file server that handles all of our  F fileserving and e-mail chores. Since the Alpha is going to be running H our "mission-critical" software, I'm not planning on using it as a file 3 server via OpenVMS advanced server. (nee Pathworks)   H However, I would like to make it possible to keep the OpenVMS passwords + in sync with the Samba server's passwords.  G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks/advancedserver.html states in part:   [ "Ability to allow domain users to log in to their OpenVMS account                           W using their domain user name and password (domain and OpenVMS                           Y passwords are synchronized automatically; only one password for                           X users to remember, and only one user name/password combination                           for administrators to manage!)"   C Would it be possible to do this using a Samba server as a PDC? Has  I anyone done it? The main idea being that if I make it easy for people to  B change their passwords, I can make it that much easier to enforce  password controls.   The DS-20 will be running 7.3.1 ) The RedHat Box runs RH8.0 and Samba 2.2.7   F Any help would be great. Even if it is only "RUN! Don't even think of  it!"   Tom    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 10:54:57 -0700 " From: ewilts@ewilts.org (Ed Wilts)- Subject: Advanced Server and Active Directory = Message-ID: <995e39b6.0307080954.163e896d@posting.google.com>   B We're in the final stages of an Active Directory installation, butE have a question regarding the domain that our AS installation is in.  F When the domain controllers migrate to AD, is there anything at all weF need to worry about?  Obviously the domain controllers be running with< backward compatibility mode turned on, but I'm still nervousD nevertheless.  Our VMS systems are configured as member servers - no? BDC or PDC functionality.  Does everything just magically work?   C We've done AD configs on other domains, but none have any Pathworks  servers in them.   Thanks, 	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 00:16:43 GMT  From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz1 Subject: Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory # Message-ID: <3f0b5e27.6892015@news>   A On 8 Jul 2003 10:54:57 -0700, ewilts@ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) wrote:   C >We're in the final stages of an Active Directory installation, but F >have a question regarding the domain that our AS installation is in. G >When the domain controllers migrate to AD, is there anything at all we G >need to worry about?  Obviously the domain controllers be running with = >backward compatibility mode turned on, but I'm still nervous E >nevertheless.  Our VMS systems are configured as member servers - no @ >BDC or PDC functionality.  Does everything just magically work? > D >We've done AD configs on other domains, but none have any Pathworks >servers in them.  >  >Thanks,
 >   .../Ed" Pretty much everything just works.E The only problem I've seen is that if the DC that is also running the E PDC Emulator gets rebooted then I sometimes need to restart Pathworks < on one of the two VAXes we have. I've never been able to getD sufficient info. to send to HP as it can be a while before we notice it. F Like you we're running in Member node, but we're running PAthworks 6.1 and not AS.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:22:07 +0000 (UTC)) From: Dan Foster <dsf@globalcrossing.net> ! Subject: Re: Any news on Exabyte? 3 Message-ID: <slrnbgm9vn.grs.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>   a In article <3F0AF2AA.F12C8CE3@vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote: I > There was something about a hacker todo or something that was to happen ! > on the 7th..  did they get hit?   H Don't know about that but in comp.arch.storage, an Exabyte employee saidK they were moving their headquarters in the U.S. over the weekend, resulting J in some temporary downtime for various Exabyte U.S.-based services. Access- supposed to be more fully restored this week.   ? European offices temporarily took the load, as I understand it.   H More details available via Google -- search for Rob Turk and a post made on July 2, 2003.   -Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:29:26 GMT " From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca>$ Subject: Re: APC UPS control for VMS9 Message-ID: <Xns93B27F0EDBB33falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>   E "Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net> wrote in news:3f09ccaa$1  @news.wineasy.se:   . > We use the Powercute for VMS. Works perfect.0 > Can you describe your problem more in detail ?  I We have (at present) 4 APC SmartUPS's protecting about a dozen systems -  I some VMS and some Window2K.  Obviously several systems are on each UPS.   H (And things are physically re-arranged occasionally.)  Using Powerchute I for Windows it would not be hard to notify other machines, including VMS  ? systems, that line power is down, and batteries are low.  What  C Powerchute does not provide for is a recovery action if line power  G returns before shutdown is initiated.  This is handled properly on the  I system monitoring the UPS, but there is no way for other systems to know   the situation.  H A program with the desired behaviour would not be hard to write, but if / someone else had done it, why re-invent wheels?   H As Powerchute for VMS is in "maintenance" mode, I assume it would be no > more useful to me than the Windows version, and probably less.   --  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:45:03 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG$ Subject: Re: APC UPS control for VMS0 Message-ID: <00A228F0.5ECDFA4F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ^ In article <Xns93B27F0EDBB33falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>, Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> writes:F >"Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net> wrote in news:3f09ccaa$1 >@news.wineasy.se: > / >> We use the Powercute for VMS. Works perfect. 1 >> Can you describe your problem more in detail ?  > J >We have (at present) 4 APC SmartUPS's protecting about a dozen systems - J >some VMS and some Window2K.  Obviously several systems are on each UPS.  I >(And things are physically re-arranged occasionally.)  Using Powerchute  J >for Windows it would not be hard to notify other machines, including VMS @ >systems, that line power is down, and batteries are low.  What D >Powerchute does not provide for is a recovery action if line power H >returns before shutdown is initiated.  This is handled properly on the J >system monitoring the UPS, but there is no way for other systems to know  >the situation.   H If your UPS has been "on battery" for some time powering your equipment,H there is a point you select, based upon existing capacity, when to shut-F down the equipment.  I typically recommend that it be a period that isF long enough to run the system shutdown with a margin of some capacity.F There are problems with "bailing out" of the system shutdown if power F returns because @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN does not provide a simple mechan-. ism to restart what it has already shutdown.    E The best way to handle this is to shutdown completely and command the F UPS to power off.  If you've properly configured the UPS, it will turnE on when the battery has recharged to some level of its capacity.  You D simply need to configure your VMS machine to boot automatically when powered on.     I >A program with the desired behaviour would not be hard to write, but if  0 >someone else had done it, why re-invent wheels? > I >As Powerchute for VMS is in "maintenance" mode, I assume it would be no  ? >more useful to me than the Windows version, and probably less.   G The VMS version only handled simple "on battery/not on battery" signal- H ling.  You have no information about the capacity of the battery; there-A fore, you have little choice but to initiate an orderly shutdown.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:50:14 -0400 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> # Subject: Re: Cannot see disk drives 0 Message-ID: <6oseeb.r01.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   BoylesA wrote:  G > I have an AlphaStation 500/500 with  1 internal drive ( currently the K > system drive ) a KZPCM-DA with a BA356-KD with 6 RZ!CB (4.3 gig ) drives. I > The BA356 has a narrow SE (-MH).  From the SRM prompt I can see all the F > drives in the cabinet but when VMS boots it see none of the external
 > drives.. > - > I have run IO AUTOCONFIG and still nothing.  >  > Any ideas? >  > Alan  I Are you sure you have a jenn-u-wine KZPCM-DA, and not an OEM model?  VMS  % only works with the genuine KZPCM-DA.    --             Stu    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:35:18 +0000 (UTC)8 From: "Billy Bobette2002" <BillyBobette2002@yahoo.co.uk>7 Subject: Re: Converting VMS Formats to IEEE equivalents 2 Message-ID: <bef9u6$m68$1@hercules.btinternet.com>  A "Dale Pennington" <Dale.K.Pennington@boeing.com> wrote in message " news:HHpK1H.4E6@news.boeing.com... > Folks, > I > I am working a project on an IBM AIX system that is getting data from a  VMS J > system. The VMS system is providing the data in the F & G Float formats, and F > expects info back in the same format. We have no say in this matter. > K > What we need are conversions from the F & G Float formats to IEEE formats K > and vice-versa. We have been hunting around for them with little success.  > L > So does anyone know where I could find code for such a conversion library, > preferably open source ? >  > Thanks for your time >  > Dale Pennington   K The conversion can easily be done on the VMS system using the library call; K CVT$FTOF. This will take care of the conversion to/from IEEE and any endian 8 issues. A copy of the documentation for this call is at:  L http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/openvms0731/731final/5932/5932pro_051.html  H If you MUST do the conversion on the IBM then you will need to write theA routines from scratch. The format of the numbers can be found at:   d http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/openvms0731/731final/5841/5841pro_contents_011.html#toc_appendix_e  L We happily run Alpha and Sun systems together using CVT$FTOF and the various. HTONS functions etc to pass data between them.   Regards, Steve    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 17:34:11 -0700 0 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)7 Subject: Re: Converting VMS Formats to IEEE equivalents = Message-ID: <948f0720.0307081634.1409fd7c@posting.google.com>   h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<R5h7wjuAEbXF@eisner.encompasserve.org>...c > In article <HHpK1H.4E6@news.boeing.com>, "Dale Pennington" <Dale.K.Pennington@boeing.com> writes:  > O > > I am working a project on an IBM AIX system that is getting data from a VMS P > > system. The VMS system is providing the data in the F & G Float formats, andH > > expects info back in the same format. We have no say in this matter. > > M > > What we need are conversions from the F & G Float formats to IEEE formats M > > and vice-versa. We have been hunting around for them with little success.  > > N > > So does anyone know where I could find code for such a conversion library, > > preferably open source ? > G > You don't say whether that is a VAX or Alpha VMS system, but on Alpha / > there are system calls to do that conversion.  > A > If it is a VAX system, you could run the data through an Alpha.   > CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT exists on VAX/VMS also. IIRC it was actuallyF available on a release earlier than the one which first documented it.  C But I think the OP wants to do the conversion on AIX, in which case  see my post at http://groups.google.com/groups?q=doran&start=10&hl=en&lr=&group=alt.sys.pdp11&safe=off&rnum=17&ic=1&selm=7kbk50%24t3r%241%40nnrp1.deja.com  D However this got rather garbled in posting. Anyone who wants a clean copy can e-mail me.   D This only does F-float, but the method is explained and it shouldn'tE be too hard to write a G-float version. IIRC there is a bug in one of E the macros in that posting, but it's not used in the float conversion 
 functions.   Chris    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:22:50 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: RE: Converting VMS Formats to IEEE equivalents 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEODHIAA.tom@kednos.com>   E I guess you didn't see my post.  The following is completely portable L and can be run on either VMS or AIX.  5 lines of code what could be simpler! repeated here:  H You will take more time looking than it takes to write the program.  YouK will also need to covert little=>big=>little endian.  Probably best done on < VMS.  You need 4 small procedures, F->S, S->F, G->T and T->G  5 F2S: proc(in) returns(bit(32));  /* PL/I procedure */  	dcl (in,out) bit(32);5 	substr(out,32,1) = substr(in,1,1);			/* move sign */ I 	substr(out,31,8) = reverse(substr(in,2,8));	/* move and swap exponent */ K 	substr(out,23,23) = reverse(substr(in,9,23));	/* move and swap mantissa */ 
 	return(out); 	 	end F2S;   L The other three should be trivial modifications of the above.  However, when	 doing the L double precision you should add an ON-CONDITION to recover from overflows on both the exponent and mantissa.   >-----Original Message----- 8 >From: Chris Doran [mailto:chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk]% >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:34 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 >Subject: Re: Converting VMS Formats to IEEE equivalents >  > 9 >Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message 0 >news:<R5h7wjuAEbXF@eisner.encompasserve.org>...= >> In article <HHpK1H.4E6@news.boeing.com>, "Dale Pennington" ' ><Dale.K.Pennington@boeing.com> writes:  >>@ >> > I am working a project on an IBM AIX system that is getting >data from a VMS> >> > system. The VMS system is providing the data in the F & G >Float formats, and I >> > expects info back in the same format. We have no say in this matter.  >> >A >> > What we need are conversions from the F & G Float formats to 
 >IEEE formats > >> > and vice-versa. We have been hunting around for them with >little success. >> >; >> > So does anyone know where I could find code for such a  >conversion library, >> > preferably open source ?  >>H >> You don't say whether that is a VAX or Alpha VMS system, but on Alpha0 >> there are system calls to do that conversion. >>B >> If it is a VAX system, you could run the data through an Alpha. > ? >CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT exists on VAX/VMS also. IIRC it was actually G >available on a release earlier than the one which first documented it.  > D >But I think the OP wants to do the conversion on AIX, in which case >see my post at D >http://groups.google.com/groups?q=doran&start=10&hl=en&lr=&group=alI >t.sys.pdp11&safe=off&rnum=17&ic=1&selm=7kbk50%24t3r%241%40nnrp1.deja.com  > E >However this got rather garbled in posting. Anyone who wants a clean  >copy can e-mail me. > E >This only does F-float, but the method is explained and it shouldn't F >be too hard to write a G-float version. IIRC there is a bug in one ofF >the macros in that posting, but it's not used in the float conversion >functions.  >  >Chris >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). @ >Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 7/4/2003 >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 7/4/2003    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 14:03:26 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) S Subject: D.H. Brown: EV7 AlphaServers Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful Performance = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307081303.72066b42@posting.google.com>   D D.H. Brown has released a new white paper entitled "EV7 AlphaServersD Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful Performance", detailing the singleE system reliability, availability, and performance enhancements in the 3 new EV7-based AlphaServer systems.  For a copy, see \ http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/html/dhb_ev7_alphaserver_delivers_061703.html   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:03:03 -0400# From: "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com> W Subject: Re: D.H. Brown: EV7 AlphaServers Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful Performance 8 Message-ID: <BqHOa.537$lq7.52902976@news.netcarrier.net>      Keith  G  Don't you feel a bit odd posting this after posting  after posting the  Omega Article?     "Far better to go the Itanium H route (and perhaps eat some crow with a side dish of humble pie) than toF relentlessly rely on an aging microprocessor such as PA-RISC or Alpha"    F                                                                    Rob    F > Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful Performance", detailing the singleG > system reliability, availability, and performance enhancements in the 5 > new EV7-based AlphaServer systems.  For a copy, see  > \ http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/html/dhb_ev7_alphaserver_delivers_061703.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:12:26 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: DHCP startup problems3 Message-ID: <KAFOa.22906$1F6.364480@news.chello.at>   w In article <01KY0KBU0BSIAPKEWT@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: E >> I "solved" it, by starting TCPIP in SYSMAN (CONFIG phase) _before_ G >> DECnet gets started. I have so far no explaination why you can get a 0 >> lease at your 2nd try. It never worked here.  > 0 >Doesn't DECnet have to be started before TCPIP?  A That was true with DECnet Phase 4, but it is not with DECNET_OSI.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:15:36 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: DHCP startup problems3 Message-ID: <IDFOa.22931$1F6.364480@news.chello.at>   U In article <3F0AE102.7090205@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes:  >Phillip Helbig wrote:1 >>Doesn't DECnet have to be started before TCPIP?  >>J >Unless something has changed, yes because DECnet alters the MAC based on G >the configured area and node which, if TCPIP is started first, should   >create a problem...  6 Only if you have DECnet Phase 4 and TCPIP DHCP Client.: No problem with TCPIP fixed address (DECnet started first)9 or DECnet Phase 5 (TCPIP with DCHP Client started first).   G DECnet-Phase 5 uses the DECnet Mac Address only for DECnet, while TCPIP - uses the real hardware address in parallel...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:03:39 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> " Subject: Re: DHCP startup problems1 Message-ID: <3F0B6464.2A0711D@firstdbasource.com>    Steve Young wrote: >  >   Hello all, > K >   I'm having a weird problem with DHCP on my VMS 7.3-1 box running Compaq I > TCP/IP.  The problem is that when TCP/IP starts during boot time, it is M > unable to get a DHCP lease and starts the machine up without an IP address. G > However, if I log in immediately afterwards and deassign SE0 and then < > re-create the interface with /DHCP/PRIMARY, it works fine. > E >   Can anyone suggest a solution or possible cause for this problem?  >  >   Thanks, 
 >   Steve.  C IMHO, DHCP is for toy computers.  And since I have servers that are D dependent upon knowing the IP address to be able to connect to theseF services... I find it much simpler to just set it and be done with it.   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 13:28:12 -0500 2 From: newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton)" Subject: Ethernet Cluster Password3 Message-ID: <SHHr1EynAg$U@eisner.encompasserve.org>   I A long time ago, I think someone showed me how to find the password for a A ethernet cluster. Am I thinking wrong or can someone tell be how? ! Sysman tells me the group number.      Lawrence   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:19:29 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: Ethernet Cluster Password3 Message-ID: <lHFOa.22965$1F6.335186@news.chello.at>   h In article <SHHr1EynAg$U@eisner.encompasserve.org>, newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton) writes:J >A long time ago, I think someone showed me how to find the password for aB >ethernet cluster. Am I thinking wrong or can someone tell be how?" >Sysman tells me the group number.  ? It is encrypted in the SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT  Better copy this file ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 16:09:49 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Ethernet Cluster Password3 Message-ID: <W1S$3puzB$Nj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <SHHr1EynAg$U@eisner.encompasserve.org>, newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton) writes:K > A long time ago, I think someone showed me how to find the password for a C > ethernet cluster. Am I thinking wrong or can someone tell be how? # > Sysman tells me the group number.   E    It's hashed.  Generally it's best just to start up DECnet and copy *    the file, then reboot into the cluster:  ?    $copy node2"user passwd"::sys$system:cluster_authorize.dat -        sys$common:[sysexe] /    $set prot=w sys$system:cluster_authorize.dat    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 14:32:02 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) & Subject: Re: Ethernet Cluster Password< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307081332.2b9f7ad@posting.google.com>  m newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton) wrote in message news:<SHHr1EynAg$U@eisner.encompasserve.org>... K > A long time ago, I think someone showed me how to find the password for a C > ethernet cluster. Am I thinking wrong or can someone tell be how? # > Sysman tells me the group number.   F The cluster password is encrypted with a 1-way trapdoor algorithm, and can't be easily retrieved.  A But if you copy over the SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT C file, that contains both the cluster group number and the encrypted : password, so you don't have to know what the password was.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 23:53:55 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Ethernet Cluster Password3 Message-ID: <YGWFfIlb2d2J@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <cf15391e.0307081332.2b9f7ad@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:o > newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton) wrote in message news:<SHHr1EynAg$U@eisner.encompasserve.org>... L >> A long time ago, I think someone showed me how to find the password for aD >> ethernet cluster. Am I thinking wrong or can someone tell be how?$ >> Sysman tells me the group number. > H > The cluster password is encrypted with a 1-way trapdoor algorithm, and > can't be easily retrieved.  F Which is _not_ the same as saying it is secure.  The security level ofA the cluster password is approximately good enough to prevent most B independent clusters from colliding on the same wire.  It is _NOT_A good enough to prevent an attacker on the wire from breaking into E a cluster without having prior access to any of the existing members.   H Hard to retrieve legitimately should not be construed as hard to attack.  C > But if you copy over the SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT E > file, that contains both the cluster group number and the encrypted < > password, so you don't have to know what the password was.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:17:23 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> L Subject: five modes (Was: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?)3 Message-ID: <3F0B26D3.D53F62CA@applied-synergy.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >  > G >   Extra credit question: which VAX implementation had five modes. :-)     A That would be the 700 series VAXen with PDP11 compatibility mode:   H 780, 782, 785, 750, 751, 730, 725, and 8600 (aka 790)  [Did I miss any?]  ; VMS V1 through V3 used comptibiliy mode for many utilities.   E The introduction of MicroVAXen without compatibility mode resulted in  the original MicroVMS.  G The utilities were rewritten and the requirement for compatibility mode F was removed in VMS V4, allowing the MicroVAXen to run the same versionE of VMS as their larger breathren, even though startup still called it  "MicroVMS".   G Trivia: SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM on VMS 7.3, even on the Alpha, still has F a bit of code to detect a MicroVAX that sets a special flag to let VMS( know that it is really running MicroVMS!  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:43:50 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> P Subject: Re: five modes (Was: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?)A Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030708144314.01a2c428@raptor.psccos.com>   * At 02:17 PM 7/8/2003, Chris Scheers wrote: >Hoff Hoffman wrote: > >  > > I > >   Extra credit question: which VAX implementation had five modes. :-)  >  > B >That would be the 700 series VAXen with PDP11 compatibility mode: > I >780, 782, 785, 750, 751, 730, 725, and 8600 (aka 790)  [Did I miss any?]   G I thought the 8600 dropped compatibility mode finally, or am I thinking  of the 8650?   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:42:08 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> P Subject: Re: five modes (Was: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?)3 Message-ID: <3F0B48C0.18A9954D@applied-synergy.com>    Dan O'Reilly wrote:  > , > At 02:17 PM 7/8/2003, Chris Scheers wrote: > >Hoff Hoffman wrote: > > >  > > > K > > >   Extra credit question: which VAX implementation had five modes. :-)  > >  > > D > >That would be the 700 series VAXen with PDP11 compatibility mode: > > K > >780, 782, 785, 750, 751, 730, 725, and 8600 (aka 790)  [Did I miss any?]  > I > I thought the 8600 dropped compatibility mode finally, or am I thinking  > of the 8650?    G Ummm... I'm not sure on that one.  I thought it had compatibility mode,  but I never actually used one.  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:04:57 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> P Subject: Re: five modes (Was: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?)9 Message-ID: <t6IOa.6517$Ag6.316622@news20.bellglobal.com>   < "Chris Scheers" <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote in message- news:3F0B26D3.D53F62CA@applied-synergy.com...  > Hoff Hoffman wrote: I > >   Extra credit question: which VAX implementation had five modes. :-)  > C > That would be the 700 series VAXen with PDP11 compatibility mode:  > J > 780, 782, 785, 750, 751, 730, 725, and 8600 (aka 790)  [Did I miss any?]   [snip]  N I knew it was the 700 series machines; I didn't know that 8600 was a.k.a. 790.
 Go figure.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 13:38:19 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) * Subject: Gartner HP vendor rating upgraded= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307081238.63c76c60@posting.google.com>   @ On July 2, Gartner upgraded HP's vendor rating from "Caution" to "Promising", saying:  D "Along with the key improvement in strategy, HP's virtually flawless? execution on the Compaq merger and strong bottom-line financial E results remove the cloud that has hung over HP since the announcement ! of the merger in September 2001."   N See http://www4.gartner.com/1_researchanalysis/vendor_rating/vr_hpcompaq2.html   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:50:18 -0500, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>. Subject: Re: Gartner HP vendor rating upgraded/ Message-ID: <vgmt6qmbiepn83@corp.supernews.com>   K Noticed VMS went from Strong Negative to something higher.  Didn't say what  higher.n   Dave...v  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0307081238.63c76c60@posting.google.com...oB > On July 2, Gartner upgraded HP's vendor rating from "Caution" to > "Promising", saying: >aF > "Along with the key improvement in strategy, HP's virtually flawlessA > execution on the Compaq merger and strong bottom-line financialrG > results remove the cloud that has hung over HP since the announcementA# > of the merger in September 2001."B >n > SeelJ http://www4.gartner.com/1_researchanalysis/vendor_rating/vr_hpcompaq2.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:03:17 -0500C1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e. Subject: Re: Gartner HP vendor rating upgraded' Message-ID: <3F0B85F5.6EDB6A73@fsi.net>r   Dave Gudewicz wrote: > M > Noticed VMS went from Strong Negative to something higher.  Didn't say what 	 > higher.s  F Well, at least that's progress. Guess we'll have to keep whipping thatC one until we get "their" "opinion" back into an acceptable range...    --   David J. Dachtera? dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:18:36 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: Re: KVM switches 3 Message-ID: <3F0B271C.42CC7C45@applied-synergy.com>p   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > , > On 8 Jul 2003 at 7:36, Michael Rice wrote:I > > Assuming the KVM has PS/2 connections for mouse and keyboard, how did 7 > > you connect it to the VAX, or is that a Charon VAX?o > C > I have the video hooked to the KVM.  I'm "experimenting" with VAXa > 4000 to PS/2 conversion. > - > I'm sure CHARON-VAX would work fine, too...   H The VAX modular plug keyboards speak an entirely different protocol than the PS/2 keyboards.t  * If you get it to work, please let me know.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------1$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:19:50 -0700-, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> Subject: Re: KVM switches ( Message-ID: <3F0B2766.EAF25B0@intel.com>   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > . > On 7 Jul 2003 at 16:28, Ken Fairfield wrote:O > > I haven't been able to get a technical person to tell me whether either theeF > > Rose or the Raritan can manage the switch between a live VMS/Alpha > > and a live PC. > E > I have a Raritan switch working between Windows 2000, Red Hat LinuxoC > 7.3 on Intel, OpenVMS 7.3-1 Alpha, and OpenVMS 7.3 VAX.  It works G > perfectly.  There are no problems with the keyboard, unlike other KVM  > switches I've tried.  9 	Thanks for that input, it gives more confidence is goingrC the Raritan route.  Which series is it (MasterConsole, CompuSwitch,e other)?   8 	Also, in the other followup form the OP, it sounds like? Adder understands the requirements and has a solution.  I think ? I'll look around and see if they are available on this side of h the pond...   t 	-KenA --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support , kenneth[dot]h[dot]fairfield[at]intel[dot]com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 19:46:17 GMTy3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)o Subject: Re: KVM switchesr0 Message-ID: <bef729$sab$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  X In article <3F0A0221.EE8EB8A3@intel.com>, Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> writes:D >It's precisely what you said, "the old business of the Alpha using C >scanset 3 and the PC something else", that is at issue.  I haven'tcB >been able to get a technical person to tell me whether either theD >Rose or the Raritan can manage the switch between a live VMS/Alpha B >and a live PC.  If it can't, one might as well use a cheap, e.g.,A >Belkin switch, and be resigned to rebooting the Alpha (or PC) in0A >order to use the keyboard (it would still save space at home anda@ >allow sharing the k, v, and m...just not simultaneously...sigh.  N Our ServeViews and UltraViews from Rose manage Macs, PCs, OpenVMS-Stations andG True64-Boxes all at the same time at the same KVM. They are supposed toi support Suns as well.o   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannn   -- aE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452n  ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.des  D-79011  Freiburg, Germanyu9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:24:01 -0700 ( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> Subject: Re: KVM switches , Message-ID: <3F0B4481.1030903@NelsonUSA.com>   Ken Fairfield wrote: > Tim ffrench-Lynch wrote: > I >> Does anyone know of any affordable KVM switches that will work with an2K >> AlphaStation 255? It's the old business of the Alpha using scanset 3 and) >> the PC something else.i  E > It's precisely what you said, "the old business of the Alpha using gD > scanset 3 and the PC something else", that is at issue.  I haven'tC > been able to get a technical person to tell me whether either theyE > Rose or the Raritan can manage the switch between a live VMS/Alpha oC > and a live PC.  If it can't, one might as well use a cheap, e.g.,uB > Belkin switch, and be resigned to rebooting the Alpha (or PC) inB > order to use the keyboard (it would still save space at home andA > allow sharing the k, v, and m...just not simultaneously...sigh.i  @ At this very moment I am using a Raritan MX48 (four consoles andC eight computers).   The keyboards are all LK461-A2, two of the mice D are DEC 30-46117-01 (3-button), the others Belkin F8E201 (3-button).% The DEC mice are much higher quality..  C Two of the computers are PCs running Red Hat Linux 7.0 and 8.0, onebB is a PC running Win98, one runs Win2K, one is an AlphaServer 1000A@ running VMS, and one is an AlphaStation 200 running VMS.   I can? switch any console between them with no problems at all.   With B three keyboards/mice on my desk and the monitors on a shelf behindE it, people say that it looks like the bridge of the Enterprise.   :-)a  D One minor glitch (which may have been corrected in newer versions ofE the Raritan microcode) is that the Alpha/VMS systems needed a RaritanmC APKME "Keep Alive" module in series with the keyboard (only) cable.'F Raritan gave us some at no charge when I complained about the problem.  C The other minor glitch is that the key mapping is different betweennA the PC systems and the Alphas: on a PC, the LK461 key to the leftcF of the "Z" key (marked "<" and ">") generates accent "`" and tilde "~"I while on the Alpha systems it generates "<" and ">".   Likewise, "Remove"lE is "Delete", "Select" is "End", etc.   This is not a fault of the KVM.A switch, but an artifact of using an LK461 on a PC.   You learn to3
 live with it.   C The MX48 is *EXPENSIVE* (~$1900), but I just bought one for my homeSC use on eBay for $450, including cables.   When I checked yesterday, @ there was another one up for the same price.   If you don't needE multiple keyboards and monitors, they have much less expensive units.   : For a mixed-system environment, I am a big fan of Raritan.   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:46:31 -0700i( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> Subject: Re: KVM switchesr, Message-ID: <3F0B49C7.7040308@NelsonUSA.com>   Ken Fairfield wrote: > "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > . >>On 7 Jul 2003 at 16:28, Ken Fairfield wrote: >>N >>>I haven't been able to get a technical person to tell me whether either theE >>>Rose or the Raritan can manage the switch between a live VMS/Alphad >>>and a live PC.p >>E >>I have a Raritan switch working between Windows 2000, Red Hat LinuxsC >>7.3 on Intel, OpenVMS 7.3-1 Alpha, and OpenVMS 7.3 VAX.  It worksoG >>perfectly.  There are no problems with the keyboard, unlike other KVMi >>switches I've tried. >  > ; > 	Thanks for that input, it gives more confidence is goingoE > the Raritan route.  Which series is it (MasterConsole, CompuSwitch,-	 > other)?-  C MasterConsole MX4, specifically the MX48.  They also have the MX416 C and MX432 if you have lots of systems (and money).   If you cascade & them, you can have up to 1024 systems!  B Check out www.kvm-switches-online.com for Raritan and other brandsD if you want to buy a new one.   Their prices seem to be pretty good,$ but you can do a lot better on eBay.   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:44:04 -0700@, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> Subject: Re: KVM switches2) Message-ID: <3F0B4934.279AC9FB@intel.com>e   Alan Frisbie wrote:r [...]0B > At this very moment I am using a Raritan MX48 (four consoles andE > eight computers).   The keyboards are all LK461-A2, two of the miceyF > are DEC 30-46117-01 (3-button), the others Belkin F8E201 (3-button).' > The DEC mice are much higher quality.  > E > Two of the computers are PCs running Red Hat Linux 7.0 and 8.0, one D > is a PC running Win98, one runs Win2K, one is an AlphaServer 1000AB > running VMS, and one is an AlphaStation 200 running VMS.   I canA > switch any console between them with no problems at all.   WithaD > three keyboards/mice on my desk and the monitors on a shelf behindG > it, people say that it looks like the bridge of the Enterprise.   :-)    [...]o   E > The MX48 is *EXPENSIVE* (~$1900), but I just bought one for my homehE > use on eBay for $450, including cables.   When I checked yesterday,oB > there was another one up for the same price.   If you don't needG > multiple keyboards and monitors, they have much less expensive units.   B Thanks for the info, Alan.  It turns out I'm looking at the small,B Raritan 2-Port CompuSwitch CS2, which can be had for around $260, G perhaps less, without cables.  At the moment, there are three of these o@ listed on eBay with a $25 "Buy it now" price, supposedly in the G original sealed packaging!  This may be the Hobbiest's candy store. :-)r   	-Kend --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldh" D1C Automation VMS System Support , kenneth[dt]h[dt]fairfield[where]intel[dt]com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:30:38 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>l- Subject: Re: LTO-2 Ultrium tape drive and VMSe' Message-ID: <3F0B622E.F58BB89F@fsi.net>e   Dan Allen wrote: > [snip]% >  Just out of curiosity who provides + >         the VMS drivers for the Dell kit?I  F This is WhineBloze. There are no device-specific drivers. VMS providesF drivers for types of devices like SCSI, DSSI, FC, etc. and either tape or disk.   -- l David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:33:12 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>  Subject: OpenVMS + BMC Control-M? Message-ID: <20030709003312.5302.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>0   Anyone using BMC Control-M  ?   . The BMC guy installed and configured the Agent. under OVMS 7.2-1. But he tries to run the OVMS< as an Unix server in his desktop client (BMC Control Panel).: He said to me that there isnt a OVMS standard console, so * he configured my Alpha as an Unix server. 4 Theres is NT/Tandem/Unix/MVS (IBM) ! What's wrong ?    Regardsp   FC     =====l ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?+ SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!w http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:53:35 +0100e' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk>r$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal2 Message-ID: <080720032153356455%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  C In article <5XzHgOLm8I6L@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgalleno <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  5 > In article <FW8PQBYcNJBA@eisner.encompasserve.org>,@? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:I > I > >    THEREFOR I propose that HP provide a small two node Alpha and IA64rF > >       cluster, unsupported, undocumented, on the internet, to the N > >       OpenVMS hobbyist community at large for the sole purpose of porting , > >       said free software to OpenVMS I64. > A > I hate to consider all that freeware floating around built witht? > still-buggy compilers.  Presumably once IA64 VMS is released,o? > anything that built on Alpha VMS should easily build, or elsehD > depends on IA64 VMS internals that _do_ require listing kits, etc.  F Nevertheless. Bob's idea is a good'un. If it is that easy, then it's a- good way of showing the world how easy it is.y  D Since they are so little and cheap, another way would be to lend the2 freeware authors a box each for a month or so. ;-)   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 16:03:33 -0500e; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal3 Message-ID: <3xZTUw4s6M1M@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  c In article <5XzHgOLm8I6L@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:VA > I hate to consider all that freeware floating around built withe? > still-buggy compilers.  Presumably once IA64 VMS is released, ? > anything that built on Alpha VMS should easily build, or elsehD > depends on IA64 VMS internals that _do_ require listing kits, etc.  3    I assume TECO will be native (and not freeware)?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:09:03 +0100h' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> $ Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal2 Message-ID: <080720032209032167%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  ? In article <3xZTUw4s6M1M@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Koehleri0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  K > In article <5XzHgOLm8I6L@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.netc > (Larry Kilgallen) writes: C > > I hate to consider all that freeware floating around built withhA > > still-buggy compilers.  Presumably once IA64 VMS is released, A > > anything that built on Alpha VMS should easily build, or elseeF > > depends on IA64 VMS internals that _do_ require listing kits, etc. > 5 >    I assume TECO will be native (and not freeware)?t > , If it ain't got TECO, it ain't worth havin'.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:05:08 GMT,/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)$$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal- Message-ID: <Uvqr3E2E8Tq9@cuebid.zko.dec.com>r  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:P1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   B >> I hate to consider all that freeware floating around built with@ >> still-buggy compilers.  Presumably once IA64 VMS is released,@ >> anything that built on Alpha VMS should easily build, or elseE >> depends on IA64 VMS internals that _do_ require listing kits, etc.t > 5 >    I assume TECO will be native (and not freeware)?   H Unlikely; TECO on OpenVMS Alpha is brought to you courtesy of DECmigrate1 (if "be native", you meant "compiled by IMACRO").o  B I have seen nothing to indicate that TECO will be omitted from any. OpenVMS distribution on any hardware platform.   -- e  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 21:43:30 -0000s4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal5 Message-ID: <20030708214330.7939.qmail@nym.alias.net>   = On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk> wrote:mD >In article <5XzHgOLm8I6L@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen ><Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:s >l6 >> In article <FW8PQBYcNJBA@eisner.encompasserve.org>,@ >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> tJ >> >    THEREFOR I propose that HP provide a small two node Alpha and IA64G >> >       cluster, unsupported, undocumented, on the internet, to the vO >> >       OpenVMS hobbyist community at large for the sole purpose of porting  - >> >       said free software to OpenVMS I64.n >> tB >> I hate to consider all that freeware floating around built with@ >> still-buggy compilers.  Presumably once IA64 VMS is released,@ >> anything that built on Alpha VMS should easily build, or elseE >> depends on IA64 VMS internals that _do_ require listing kits, etc.: >PG >Nevertheless. Bob's idea is a good'un. If it is that easy, then it's aE. >good way of showing the world how easy it is. >rE >Since they are so little and cheap, another way would be to lend thee3 >freeware authors a box each for a month or so. ;-)   N What about all those boxes Dave Turner was talking about?  I know, Alphas, but= they'd be ideal for seeding the .edu space with VMS machines.V     Doc. -- .K OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 01:07:09 GMT># From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposalH Message-ID: <1VJOa.88241$x4o.42425@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in5 message news:FW8PQBYcNJBA@eisner.encompasserve.org...l >p >    A proposal: >YF >    WHEREAS there is lot of software on the Freeware CD that needs to be- >       ported from Alpha and/or VAX to IA64,  >IE >    AND OpenVMS I64 8.0 requires cross compilers hosted on an Alpha,T >N1 >    AND OpenVMS Alpha is fully internet capable,a > D >    AND OpenVMS I64 clusters with OpenVMS Alpha, providing disk and other  >       services,O >a3 >    AND we're all itching to get our hands on one,m >oE >    AND nobody is going to get paid to port all that free softeware,u >lA >    AND the OpenVMS hobbyist community includes some of the mostd< >       VMS knowledgeable people outside of VMS engineering, > B >    THEREFOR I propose that HP provide a small two node Alpha and IA64C >       cluster, unsupported, undocumented, on the internet, to the-C >       OpenVMS hobbyist community at large for the sole purpose oft portingi* >       said free software to OpenVMS I64. >sD >    I'll volunteer to remote admin the thing.  Local admin, too, if youd- >    can put in in HP's facility on Ivy Lane.o > C >    No support from VMS engineering expected, they've got too much  work >    to do already.r >i= >    And, oh yes, later we should allow porting of other freei	 software, A >    provided that it end up on the Freeware CD or is made freely 	 available-* >    by other means such as GNU web sites.    E I think that's not a bad idea. Throw on RAID-5 and an autoloader tapeH@ library, or run the backups through the network to a centralized library.  E Previously I proposed to various and sundry at HP that they FUND saidnF porting by paying some under-employed talented c.o.v. folks to do saidC ports. Would cost them a few million at most - chicken feed really.a@ There'd be some money in the kitty to cover some small amount ofE travel to meet and hookup with VMS Engineering occasionally. A coupleo= of people to co-ordinate efforts...hence some small amount of.3 management 'overhead', which should be compensated.8   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:51:34 -0700:( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!   t>* Message-ID: <3F0B2ED6.10900@NelsonUSA.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote:  H > Hey, I'd even consider living without cross-compilers and such just toF > get a look at the new stuff. Of course, I'd have to shell out for an > IA64 box to run it on...  B Which brings up the big question: What is the lowest cost IA64 box4 that will run (NOTE: I did *NOT* say "support") VMS?  G What I mean is that I don't care if the box is supported by HP for VMS,mB just that someone from VMS engineering is willing to say something? along the lines of "We are pretty sure it will work, and if youhB find a problem we want to know about it because some of us want to get one ourselves."   :-)-   Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:03:18 -0500, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>I Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day in Chicago - Only 10 days away!./ Message-ID: <vgmtv6tko0pe88@corp.supernews.com>t  D Outside it might be windy, rainy, hot and humid, just like summer in Chicagoland.  K Inside the Double Tree it probably won't be. :)  Don't let the weather stops you from attending the update.   Dave...   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3F0A2248.58C07C1E@fsi.net...a > John Smith wrote:  > >wB > > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message; > > news:857e9e41.0307071103.3f99c32a@posting.google.com...iJ > > > It is only 10 calendar days until the one and only OpenVMS TechnicalA > > > Update Day to be held in North America occurs. The event is 
 > > scheduled I > > > for Thursday, July 17. All the details for this FREE event (and theE) > > > registration page) can be found at:s > > > 2 > > > http://www.hp.com/large/events/2003/openvms/ > > >A > > >9I > > > Currently we have 61 individuals registered (out of a planned eventlE > > > size of 150). The time is now to insure that the entire OpenVMSlJ > > > customer base in the Great Lakes area is aware of this event and has! > > > an opportunity to register.  > > >sJ > > > Please note that HP employees and HP Business Partner employees needH > > > to register as well. Lunch will be provided to those who register.$ > > > Walk-ins will be on their own. > > > 6 > > > Thanks for your support. Let's get the word out! > > >M > > > Best Regards,E > > C > > Is this the date of the annual Chicago summer heat wave??   :-)  >eG > August is usually our hottest, mostly mid-August, but it varies. ThiseG > year's been kinda weird: cool right up until the Solstice, then quites > warm - and stormy! >- > -- - > David J. Dachteraa > dba DJE Systems3 > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:06:09 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)+ Subject: problem with MONITOR CLUSTER (VPM)C$ Message-ID: <beff8h$i8l$1@online.de>  F I have a three-node cluster as my hobbyist system: an ALPHA with 7.2-1E (node A), a VAX with 7.2 (node B) and a VAX with 7.3 (node C).  I candE provide more information if necessary.  Patches are not up to date; I D wanted to get a three-node cluster running first so I can do rolling upgrades.  :-) s  G I am not (yet) running DECnet, so I'm running MONITOR over TCPIP.  I'm sG trying to understand why MONITOR CLUSTER isn't working.  Here's what I o# get when I try it on various nodes:m   Node A:t  A %MONITOR-I-ESTABCON, establishing connection to remote node(s)... 4 %VPM-W-NOCONNECT, Unable to connect to remote node C7 -MONITOR-W-NODEINIERR, error during node initialization- %MONITOR-I-CONT, continuing....3  ' (works normally, showing nodes A and B)r   Node B:r  A %MONITOR-I-ESTABCON, establishing connection to remote node(s)...y4 %VPM-W-NOCONNECT, Unable to connect to remote node C7 -MONITOR-W-NODEINIERR, error during node initialization  %MONITOR-I-CONT, continuing....r- T_RCV: : system error - invalid buffer lengthm0 %MONITOR-E-COLLERR, error during data collection> -VPM-W-RECVERR, an error was encountered receiving remote data   (MONITOR doesn't start at all)   Node C:E  A %MONITOR-I-ESTABCON, establishing connection to remote node(s)...54 %VPM-W-NOCONNECT, Unable to connect to remote node A7 -MONITOR-W-NODEINIERR, error during node initialization( %MONITOR-I-CONT, continuing.... 4 %VPM-W-NOCONNECT, Unable to connect to remote node B7 -MONITOR-W-NODEINIERR, error during node initializationa %MONITOR-I-CONT, continuing....e    (works normally, showing node C)  G On any given node, MONITOR SYSTEM (i.e. just for that node) works fine.f  8 MONITOR PROCESS/TOPCPU/NODE gives the following results:   Any node can monitor itself.   A and B can monitor each other.N  = C can monitor neither A nor B; neither A nor B can monitor C:-  : -MONITOR-E-NODENOTAVAIL, requested nodes are not available  
 Any ideas?  @ On a related note, what sort of access, if any, is such cluster ! communication?  Remote?  Network?W   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 02:00:55 GMT.1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>r/ Subject: Re: problem with MONITOR CLUSTER (VPM)s2 Message-ID: <3F0B70A2.638577E2@firstdbasource.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:e > H > I have a three-node cluster as my hobbyist system: an ALPHA with 7.2-1G > (node A), a VAX with 7.2 (node B) and a VAX with 7.3 (node C).  I cantG > provide more information if necessary.  Patches are not up to date; IhF > wanted to get a three-node cluster running first so I can do rolling > upgrades.  :-) > H > I am not (yet) running DECnet, so I'm running MONITOR over TCPIP.  I'mH > trying to understand why MONITOR CLUSTER isn't working.  Here's what I% > get when I try it on various nodes:8 > 	 > Node A:s > C > %MONITOR-I-ESTABCON, establishing connection to remote node(s)... 6 > %VPM-W-NOCONNECT, Unable to connect to remote node C9 > -MONITOR-W-NODEINIERR, error during node initializationt! > %MONITOR-I-CONT, continuing....t > ) > (works normally, showing nodes A and B)h > 	 > Node B:t > C > %MONITOR-I-ESTABCON, establishing connection to remote node(s)...w6 > %VPM-W-NOCONNECT, Unable to connect to remote node C9 > -MONITOR-W-NODEINIERR, error during node initializationR! > %MONITOR-I-CONT, continuing....t/ > T_RCV: : system error - invalid buffer lengtho2 > %MONITOR-E-COLLERR, error during data collection@ > -VPM-W-RECVERR, an error was encountered receiving remote data >   > (MONITOR doesn't start at all) > 	 > Node C:  > C > %MONITOR-I-ESTABCON, establishing connection to remote node(s)...e6 > %VPM-W-NOCONNECT, Unable to connect to remote node A9 > -MONITOR-W-NODEINIERR, error during node initializationi! > %MONITOR-I-CONT, continuing....m6 > %VPM-W-NOCONNECT, Unable to connect to remote node B9 > -MONITOR-W-NODEINIERR, error during node initializationo! > %MONITOR-I-CONT, continuing....f > " > (works normally, showing node C) > I > On any given node, MONITOR SYSTEM (i.e. just for that node) works fine.o > : > MONITOR PROCESS/TOPCPU/NODE gives the following results: >  > Any node can monitor itself. > ! > A and B can monitor each other.e > ? > C can monitor neither A nor B; neither A nor B can monitor C:s > < > -MONITOR-E-NODENOTAVAIL, requested nodes are not available >  > Any ideas? > A > On a related note, what sort of access, if any, is such clustero# > communication?  Remote?  Network?s  H I have seen this a few times.. just stop the VPM Server processes on allH nodes and try your Monitor command again... I have not seen a difinitiveE answer on how to keep from scrambling the VPM Server's brains or what 
 causes it.  o Command Procedurep $!!!   KILL_VPM.COMp	 $set NoOns
 $MC SYSMAN
 set env/clustk? do pipe sh sys/proc=*vpm_server* |sear sys$input vpm_server | -a:  (read sys$pipe rec ; x = f$ele(0," ",rec) ; stop/id=&x ); $!  H BTW, this can be the basis for a LOT of different Sys Admin functions...   -- l Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:03:37 -04000& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> Subject: Re: RDB V7.8 Message-ID: <6r8mgvshugqjlmov3nbvnm7534glmenv0t@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:35:48 +0100, "Rolona" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:  G >The new VAX is a different Model and I need to get it running before Ig> >transfer it. Are system disks interchangeable between models?  J Yes, provided that the version of VMS you have on your current system disk. supports the model to which you are migrating.I -------------------------------------------------------------------------YI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comoI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)lI --------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jul 2003 01:19:40 GMT:2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: RDB V7.+ Message-ID: <befqjc06pu@enews1.newsguy.com>   ! Rolona <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:0H > The new VAX is a different Model and I need to get it running before I? > transfer it. Are system disks interchangeable between models?5  L Can you take the old system down long enough to duplicate the disks?  If so,L and if the version of VMS running on the old system supports the new system,C then all you really need to do is duplicate the disks, and move thel, duplicates to the new system and boot it up.  K Though I'd recommend putting the new one on a private network when you bootmK it up and making sure everything works correctly, and that there aren't anyt little gottcha's.  ?   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:00:12 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>p Subject: Re: RDB V7.' Message-ID: <3F0B853C.D9F8DF0A@fsi.net>l  
 Rolona wrote:r > H > The new VAX is a different Model and I need to get it running before I? > transfer it. Are system disks interchangeable between models?   E Generally, yes. However, some machines required a hardware release at-= the minimum, such as V5.5-2H4 for certain large MicroVAX 3100 A configurations. Best to back up the disks and experiment with theaB copies, leaving the originals intact, if that's an option for you.   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsD http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:51:13 GMTd3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)   Subject: Re: Restoring an backup1 Message-ID: <BoEOa.4144$XB.3243@news.cpqcorp.net>:  U In article <3f0b0ae3$0$49101$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, <__awakeren@xs4all.nl> writes: 
 >Hi There, > . >I made a backup to a save set of a hole disk.. >Now I want to restore the data to a new disk. >I booted with an CD-romK >I mounted the disk, but when i restore ALL files are in de ROOT of mij new- >harddisk ?????-L >What should i tell to the backup command to put it in the directory's where >it belongs ????  A You need to use the /IMAGE qualifier when you create and restore 2 the backup savset.  @ NOTE: There is some confusion (to be fixed in V7.3-2!) about theE relationship of /IMAGE and/[NO]ALIAS.  I recommed that you do not usem3 either /ALIAS or /NOALIAS with /IMAGE.  This works.s   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:18:10 +0200 From: <__awakeren@xs4all.nl> Subject: Restoring an backup6 Message-ID: <3f0b0ae3$0$49101$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>  	 Hi There,   - I made a backup to a save set of a hole disk.w- Now I want to restore the data to a new disk.R I booted with an CD-romCJ I mounted the disk, but when i restore ALL files are in de ROOT of mij new harddisk ?????K What should i tell to the backup command to put it in the directory's wherem it belongs ????   $ I'am running VMS7.1-2 on an alpha800   Arjang  F Please reply or mail to awakeren@xs4all.nl    (WHITOUT the '__'prefix)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:47:54 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i  Subject: Re: Restoring an backup' Message-ID: <3F0B663A.81912E19@fsi.net>a   __awakeren@xs4all.nl wrote:d >  > Hi There,e > / > I made a backup to a save set of a hole disk.b/ > Now I want to restore the data to a new disk.r > I booted with an CD-rom_L > I mounted the disk, but when i restore ALL files are in de ROOT of mij new > harddisk ?????M > What should i tell to the backup command to put it in the directory's wherep > it belongs ????   C Well, that depends on whether the disk in question is a system diskgG (bootable) and/or whether it uses any aliased files/directories. If so,iD then the saveset should have been written using /IMAGE and should be restored using /IMAGE.  . Otherwise, specify your output volume like so:  ; $ BACKUP filespec/SAVE_SET ddcu:[*...]*.*/BY_OWNER=ORIGINAL:   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2003 19:35:47 -0700A) From: baby_p_nut2@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut) ! Subject: Re: SIMH V3.0-0 releasede= Message-ID: <96d83290.0307081835.72e5b10b@posting.google.com>-  ~ "Noone Special" <kckckckckc2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3d1a8b97042248d4fdc56f171350ff8f@unlimited.ultrafeed.com>...N > When I try to run pdp11.exe or vax.exe I get a message indicating that it isK > looking for a dll. I have already installed winpcap. What is this dll ande > where can I get it?  >  > Thanks   Try the stuff out of here:  $ http://www.tubas.net/~kstailey/simh/  % The docs should help if nothing else.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:11:56 -0700$ From: "Eric Bruno" <eric@ebruno.org>! Subject: Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released/0 Message-ID: <yO-dnUHzHZO0C5aiXTWJjQ@comcast.com>  6 "Baby Peanut" <baby_p_nut2@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:96d83290.0307081835.72e5b10b@posting.google.com...:= > "Noone Special" <kckckckckc2003@yahoo.com> wrote in messagecB news:<3d1a8b97042248d4fdc56f171350ff8f@unlimited.ultrafeed.com>...J > > When I try to run pdp11.exe or vax.exe I get a message indicating that it is I > > looking for a dll. I have already installed winpcap. What is this dll  andt > > where can I get it?M > >m
 > > Thanks >" > Try the stuff out of here: >s& > http://www.tubas.net/~kstailey/simh/ >f' > The docs should help if nothing else.o  D Copy %SYSTEMROOT%\system32\packet.dll to <directory were vax.exe and pdp11.exe are located>\packete- the filename should be packet NOT packet.dll.-   this worked for me.-   See the following message:   BOB SUPNIK wrote:.  J I am not sure whether WinPcap works on dual processors.Alternately, it mayK be looking for just 'packet', rather than 'packet.dll'  Try copying the DLL1> to the same directory, without an extension./Bob----- OriginalH Message -----From: Eric Bruno <eric@ebruno.org>Date: Wednesday, June 25,D 2003 4:41 amSubject: simh v3.0 windows with wincap.I have wincap 3.0K installed on a dual processor machine. Ethereal works fine. However vax andt: pdp11 state they cannotfind the packet.dll.  The dll is inG %systemroot%\system32.I run ethereal as a adminstrator capture the someoG packets.exit run vax.exe get missing dll error same with pdp11.The path F displayed in the error message shows the correct directory.Eric Bruno.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 00:37:15 GMTk From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz5 Subject: Re: swapping system disks (was: RE: RDB V7.)s# Message-ID: <3f0b620e.7891687@news>   8 On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:38:36 +0200 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:a  I >> The new VAX is a different Model and I need to get it running before IoA >> transfer it. Are system disks interchangeable between models? n >,D >As long as the disk itself will work with both systems (controller,G >maximum disk size etc), one can swap the system disk (or a copy of it)-H >from system to system.  In some sense, the identity of the system is onE >the system disk, not in the CPU, the system box etc.  If just one is-H >being used at a time, then one needs to keep just a few things in mind:G >system parameters might need to be set differently (i.e. run AUTOGEN),lE >one might need to reconfigure TCPIP if the Ethernet controller has atI >different name etc.  If one plans to run both at once and there is some eB >sort of communication between them (cluster, TCPIP etc), then in C >addition things like the node name and related parameters must be t	 >changed.   @ As others have indicated, Network Interfaces, License values and& System Parameters are the main issues.A Identify the Network Devices on the current System and search thewD relevant files, we use DECNet V, so search sys$startup:*.ncl for theE devices. Tey're the files you'll need to change if the Interfaces are 
 different.F TCPIP will depend on the stack, with the HP TCPIP stack you'll need to rerun the configuration.  E If Memory is less you could have some interesting experiences, but if+F it's greater then a few Autogens once you've had some load should sort things out.:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:42:00 -04000 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> Subject: Re: X11 proxy on VMS ?e$ Message-ID: <3f0b1e8b$1@news.si.com>  C >   I'm using one right now.  The entire DEC VXT line supports LAT,s >   DECnet, and TCP/IP.@  < As well at the VT1000 and VT1200.  They both did X over LAT. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com25 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.hD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991n8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:29:31 GMTo6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: [Mozilla 1.4] bug in pref-advanced.xuln3 Message-ID: <vYEOa.22601$1F6.353727@news.chello.at>e  d In article <6ZAOa.114$5o5.157479@news1.news.adelphia.net>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:7 >Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40 wrote:nC >>I've found a small bug in Mozilla 1.4  VMS distribution. The mainm: >>screen of Preferences - Advanced is broken and displays: >>% >> XML Parsing Error: not well-formed A >> Location: chrome://communicator/content/pref/pref-advanced.xul  >> Line Number 161, Column 3:e >>I >Broken zip file. A new kit has just been posted to mozilla.org. The kit xH >and updated release notes should be on the OpenVMS server tonight. The L >only change is an unbroken zip file and a change to the build ident string.   Thanks a lot, Colin.  : btw: Do you perhaps know why news client since MOZILLA 1.4 can no longer "mark as junk" ? -- h Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialiste E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:11:39 GMTv' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>l3 Subject: Re: [Mozilla 1.4] bug in pref-advanced.xulc: Message-ID: <%zFOa.245$5o5.231844@news1.news.adelphia.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  ; >btw: Do you perhaps know why news client since MOZILLA 1.4t >can no longer "mark as junk" ?" >a( Yes. The feature is "still being added".  G See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179984 and many others.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:30:01 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: [Mozilla 1.4] bug in pref-advanced.xul 3 Message-ID: <dRFOa.23066$1F6.365624@news.chello.at>e  d In article <%zFOa.245$5o5.231844@news1.news.adelphia.net>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:y< >>btw: Do you perhaps know why news client since MOZILLA 1.4  >>can no longer "mark as junk" ? >>) >Yes. The feature is "still being added".- >-H >See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179984 and many others.   Wow, thanks again, Colin.j  H I didn't find it in Bugzilla myself (ok, it was only a couple of minutes of searching).  F But strange thing is, that JUNKing did work in MOZILLA 1.3 (on OpenVMSG and Win32). And I'm afraid, I already wrote this here (some weeks ago).    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERR% Network and OpenVMS system specialistl E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.375 ************************