1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 11 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 379       Contents: Re: autogen question Re: autogen question Re: autogen questionN Re: D.H. Brown: EV7 AlphaServers Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful Performance DECdocument bug? Re: DECdocument bug? Re: DECdocument bug? Re: DECdocument bug? Re: DHCP startup problems ? How do I determine which processor I am running on (alpha SMP)? L Re: HP Webcast this morning on Next-Generation Intel Itanium 2    processors+ Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense P Intel's had Dirty Bombs Anthrax and everything! (Was: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's  Re: KVM switches' Network Slowness related to packet size + Re: Network Slowness related to packet size  New F$GETSYI item codes % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME  Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal L Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!/ Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some) / Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates ! PDP-11 OS/Layered Cross Reference % Re: PDP-11 OS/Layered Cross Reference  Re: Pearl Users  Re: Pearl Users  Re: Pearl Users  Re: PPPOE? When? How?  Re: PPPOE? When? How?  Re: PPPOE? When? How?  RF31 hardware problem 5 Re: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64? 5 Re: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64? 5 Re: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?  Re: Where's my bleeping beep?  Re: X11 proxy on VMS ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:28:01 GMT  From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz Subject: Re: autogen question $ Message-ID: <3f0e03c7.96607828@news>  ) On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:35:28 +0000 (UTC), C helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to 
 reply) wrote:   J >On one system, I have some secondary page and swap files located off the + >system disk.  When running AUTOGEN, I get:  > / >RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded ? >%SET-E-READERR, error reading DISK$LABEL:[DIR]PAGEFILE_1.SYS;1 + >-SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict 0 >%RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded? >%SET-E-READERR, error reading DISK$LABEL:[DIR]SWAPFILE_1.SYS;1 + >-SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict  > , >Is this expected?  Should I worry about it?  / Autogen is trying to do stuff to the Pagefiles. @ Personally I don't like it doing that so I have the following in
 modparams.dat   B pagefile = 0            ! Do NOT Make changes to Page & Swap Files swapfile = 0 dumpfile = 0  > That way I'll make the changes to the Pagfiles if I think it'sC necessary.  Autogen advises me to shrink mine, I ignore that as I'm # not that constrained by free space. D I also don't like the fact it'll shrink them on one Autogen and then
 grow them.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:17:53 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) Subject: Re: autogen question , Message-ID: <5foPa.30481$Ph3.2288@sccrnsc04>  C In article <3f0e03c7.96607828@news>, Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz writes:  <snip> ! 0 !Autogen is trying to do stuff to the Pagefiles.A !Personally I don't like it doing that so I have the following in  !modparams.dat ! C !pagefile = 0            ! Do NOT Make changes to Page & Swap Files 
 !swapfile = 0 
 !dumpfile = 0  ! ? !That way I'll make the changes to the Pagfiles if I think it's D !necessary.  Autogen advises me to shrink mine, I ignore that as I'm$ !not that constrained by free space.E !I also don't like the fact it'll shrink them on one Autogen and then  !grow them.   J   Not to mention the fact that the free space on the disk(s) on which the K   files reside becomes fragmented, if that behavior is allowed to continue  G   for long.  Perhaps the files themselves become fragmented under those    conditions, as well.  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"? bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt	"Lose the MAPS, and replace 3 (please note the new e-mail address)	'-at-' with @"    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:55:23 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: autogen question L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1007032355240001@user-uinj0kj.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <bejfhf$srp$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   J >On one system, I have some secondary page and swap files located off the + >system disk.  When running AUTOGEN, I get:  > / >RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded ? >%SET-E-READERR, error reading DISK$LABEL:[DIR]PAGEFILE_1.SYS;1 + >-SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict 0 >%RMS-E-FEX, file already exists, not superseded? >%SET-E-READERR, error reading DISK$LABEL:[DIR]SWAPFILE_1.SYS;1 + >-SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict  > , >Is this expected?  Should I worry about it?  . Does AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT explain what happened?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:56:18 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> W Subject: Re: D.H. Brown: EV7 AlphaServers Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful Performance 1 Message-ID: <CxjPa.4355$9X2.944@news.cpqcorp.net>   . "rob kas" <rob@paychoice.com> wrote in message2 news:BqHOa.537$lq7.52902976@news.netcarrier.net... >  > 
 >    Keith > I >  Don't you feel a bit odd posting this after posting  after posting the  > Omega Article? > ! >   "Far better to go the Itanium J > route (and perhaps eat some crow with a side dish of humble pie) than toH > relentlessly rely on an aging microprocessor such as PA-RISC or Alpha" >   F Why?  Alpha was a "technical" success for most of it's life.  The chipK designer, platform designer, and IO designer for EV7 are (for my money) the K best 3 guys, and the best team of engineers *ever* to work for the company. L They built a system that in some respects already is being surpassed, but inF other respects won't be surpassed for many years by *any* of the major players.  C In context, the point was that the cost/benefit long term to remain ! competetive with Alpha was bleak.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:30:53 -0700 * From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> Subject: DECdocument bug? + Message-ID: <3f0dccfc$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   E Perhaps someone more familiar with DECdocument can help me understand B whether I've found a bug, or am not using the SDML tags correctly.  J I have several lists in my document, both numbered and unnumbered.  When IF nest an unnumbered list inside a numbered list, any text following theJ numbered list is indented.  The HTML markup produced by DECdocument should be:    <OL>   <LI>   <UL>     <LI>     <LI>   </UL>    <LI> </OL>   + ... but the HTML I get from DECdocument is:    <OL>   <LI>   <UL>     <LI>     <LI>   </UL>    <LI> </UL>   F i.e., the numbered list is closed with the unnumbered list closing tag  @ I'm using DECdocument 3.2A on an Alpha.  Am I missing something?   Thanks for reading,    Alder    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2003 15:59:05 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: DECdocument bug? 3 Message-ID: <H$EZYWreyVeB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3f0dccfc$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>, "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> writes:G > Perhaps someone more familiar with DECdocument can help me understand D > whether I've found a bug, or am not using the SDML tags correctly.  A The HTML output is new, and has a bunch of bugs to be worked out.   B > I'm using DECdocument 3.2A on an Alpha.  Am I missing something?  D You are missing the more recent versions that have addressed various0 problems.  I don't know if yours is one of them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:50:59 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: DECdocument bug? ' Message-ID: <3F0DD1B3.AD3B4D40@aaa.com>   / From the release notes for DECdoc Version 3.3 :    "3.5.8 ListsB  Corrected a problem where nested lists would be terminated by the terminator for the last *  list. Now the proper terminator is used."  4 So, yes, it's a bug and it has already been found...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.        Alder wrote: > G > Perhaps someone more familiar with DECdocument can help me understand D > whether I've found a bug, or am not using the SDML tags correctly. > L > I have several lists in my document, both numbered and unnumbered.  When IH > nest an unnumbered list inside a numbered list, any text following theL > numbered list is indented.  The HTML markup produced by DECdocument should > be:  >  > <OL> >   <LI> >   <UL>
 >     <LI>
 >     <LI>	 >   </UL>  >   <LI> > </OL>  > - > ... but the HTML I get from DECdocument is:  >  > <OL> >   <LI> >   <UL>
 >     <LI>
 >     <LI>	 >   </UL>  >   <LI> > </UL>  > H > i.e., the numbered list is closed with the unnumbered list closing tag > B > I'm using DECdocument 3.2A on an Alpha.  Am I missing something? >  > Thanks for reading,  >  > Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:05:36 -0700 * From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> Subject: Re: DECdocument bug? + Message-ID: <3f0dd51f$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   / Perfect answer.  Thanks for the quick response.    Alder     3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3F0DD1B3.AD3B4D40@aaa.com... 1 > From the release notes for DECdoc Version 3.3 :  >  > "3.5.8 ListsD >  Corrected a problem where nested lists would be terminated by the > terminator for the last , >  list. Now the proper terminator is used." > 6 > So, yes, it's a bug and it has already been found... >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  >  >  >  > Alder wrote: > > I > > Perhaps someone more familiar with DECdocument can help me understand F > > whether I've found a bug, or am not using the SDML tags correctly. > > L > > I have several lists in my document, both numbered and unnumbered.  When I J > > nest an unnumbered list inside a numbered list, any text following theG > > numbered list is indented.  The HTML markup produced by DECdocument  should > > be:  > >  > > <OL>
 > >   <LI>
 > >   <UL> > >     <LI> > >     <LI> > >   </UL> 
 > >   <LI>	 > > </OL>  > > / > > ... but the HTML I get from DECdocument is:  > >  > > <OL>
 > >   <LI>
 > >   <UL> > >     <LI> > >     <LI> > >   </UL> 
 > >   <LI>	 > > </UL>  > > J > > i.e., the numbered list is closed with the unnumbered list closing tag > > D > > I'm using DECdocument 3.2A on an Alpha.  Am I missing something? > >  > > Thanks for reading,  > > 	 > > Alder    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:38:11 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: DHCP startup problems3 Message-ID: <7yoPa.55543$1F6.804843@news.chello.at>   l In article <p0nOa.10734$1F6.199674@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:D >I found so far three annoyances with TCPIP V5.3 (ECO2) DHCP client.H >2) You get a wrong subnet mask. You don't get the subnet mask which theL >DHCP server offers, you get the default subnet mask of the offered address. > : >	eg. 10.1.2.3	offered, with 255.255.255.0, gets 255.0.0.0  < After a deeper look into, I found the cause of this problem.I The DHCP client has a config parameter which has a default to not use the J subnet mask. I don't understand why this is default, but fixing it, solvesH the problem. In SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$DHCP]CLIENT.PCY add the marked line   	class_id TCPVMS 	request subnet_mask				<===== 	request routers 	request host_name 	request dns_servers 	request dns_domain_name  O So, onto the next problem (and hopefully TCPIP engineering fixes this default).    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2003 12:19:59 -0700$ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)H Subject: How do I determine which processor I am running on (alpha SMP)?= Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0307101119.767ac76d@posting.google.com>   E I have been reading about the RSCC PALcode instruction that returns a ? 64 bit count of clocks since some base time.  Since this is per = processor, I have to ask is there a fast way to find out what B processor I am running on?  The SYS$GETJPI system service can giveD this information but where does it get the information from?  I haveD been searching my AARM for something that would return the processor/ number and have not been able to find anything.   
 Any ideas?   Thanks	 /RC Bryan    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:06:19 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> U Subject: Re: HP Webcast this morning on Next-Generation Intel Itanium 2    processors I Message-ID: <vYoPa.125562$x4o.69147@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:SVeOa.3985$Ca7.2743@news.cpqcorp.net... > 9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % > news:3F049F1E.F5A293A1@istop.com...  > > Keith Parris wrote:    [snip]   > >  > A > The real difference between the low-end and high-end for VMS is 
 supportingA > the cell structure, and getting all of our software (which also 
 applies toB > the low-end) in the fault handling area up-to-snuff.  It isn't a
 "port", itE > is the difference between a ES40 and a GS1280.  More of everything,  more to  > test, higher stresses. > E > The NSK hardware is specialized.  Remember that NSK isn't a typical  OS, itD > is a message passing system with redundancy and checking.  To make use ofF > the way NSK puts together a system would require a major redesign of VMS for  > it to be of any use. > D > > If VMS is to stay in its high availability niche, it seems to me that theA > > tandem line of machines might provide a better image for that  niche (even  > ifA > > VMS sites might order some of those boxes without some of the  > tandem-specific addons). > B > You should really do some research on NSK (what you keep calling
 Tandem) to0 > understand just how different an animal it is.    C Is there anything internal which might be released into the wild by C HP/Compaq that does a detailed contrast/compare of NSK vs. VMS when ? configured 'similarly' for reliability, operational issues, and E aspects of building apps and environments, ie. NSK-type 'cluster' vs.  VMS-style clusters?   F It's been a very long time since I looked at Tandem/NSK closely (but I$ have a very real need to do so now).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:37:36 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense2 Message-ID: <bekmbo$ipn$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  J Well Fred, I suppose you are telling the truth as you see it, and Bill is   telling the truth as he sees it.   What do I know ?  O When the first Alpha was announced (150 MHz) we were told that the Alpha would  P reach 1 GHz in 2000. At that time 60 MHz Pentiums could be used as barbecues if H they did not explode. There was a 1 GHz Alpha around 2000, maybe not in  production but it was there.  N We could always rely on the predictions of the Digital CPU designers, and the 9 Alpha was without any doubt the fastest processor around.   Q We were given a great white paper telling us in detail the benefits of the Alpha  L design over the Itanium, with a road map up till EV12. Based on my previous K experiences I believed (and still believe) that white paper. Do you have a  K similar white paper telling us the opposite (no marketing blahblah please)?   P We were also given solemn commitments to the Alpha from your own Vice President.   Do you deny these facts ?   L And then suddenly we hear "Hallelujah, we have seen The Light. It is called Q Itanium, and it will lead us to paradise". Now why should we believe that in the  D light of earlier statements by Compaq ? Were those statements lies ?  Q And as Bill correctly states, the Itanium was years behind on schedule, and when  7 it was introduced it was a horrible flop. Also a fact !   P And the we were told, "The Alpha designers will help to make it a good and fast M CPU". The same guys who were so wrong (apparently) on their own CPU design ?   yeah that makes sense.  J And then the performance of Itanium. I am not overwhelmed. It seems a new M Itanium is only faster because it gets more on-chip cache. In fact I get the  O idea that a  present day Itanium is a very big cache module with a CPU burried  M somewhere. I wonder what would happen if a Opteron would get that much cache.   N The Opteron, another nice topic. It seems this fall AMD will stop selling its P 'normal' Athlons, and will only sell the Athlon 64. Thus 64 bit on the desktop, ! and not an Intel 64 bit in sight.   I You see what I am really worried about is that the Itanium will not be a  0 success. That will leave HP without a processor.  P Oh yes, and some time ago you wanted to know which HP rep told me that HP would O build Opteron systems. That was absolutely not true. Just a few weeks later we  P could find the specs of this system in the HP web site. No wonder, this time HP P management is right. If the Opteron is a success and HP has no Opteron systems, % HP will loose big market shares......    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> Y Subject: Intel's had Dirty Bombs Anthrax and everything! (Was: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's  . Message-ID: <bekh2j$m0$1@titan.btinternet.com>   Yeah right!   I And Intel were ready to launch the KILLER chip in 45 mins if Alpha didn't 
 bend over?  & (Uranium wafers from Niger apparently)   Where do you people come from?  E I for one am over-the-moon that VMS is being ported to Itanium AND SO J QUICKLY! (I'm even more excited that the latest Itanium version is gettingJ favourable press. At least over here.) But yes, I would have much preferedJ it if Alpha had of continued as an alternative, and I find it particularlyK gauling that Shannon goes on about late delivery being a problem for Alpha,  given the Itanium slippage!   F Whatever people have to do to pay the rent is their business. AlastairD Campbell does what he does with the contempt that we all deserve andI "others" do what they have to do. But this is history! Let's all get over  it.    Cheers Richard.   B Fred Kleinsorge <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:VkhPa.4333$yV2.3008@news.cpqcorp.net... > 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message . > news:II-dncxx59R3FpeiXTWJlg@metrocast.net... > 
 > <delete> > K > Problem here Bill is that while there are some nit's in Terry's story, it H > pretty much agrees with most of the *reliable* information I've heard. YourJ > "analysis" really comes from building a house of cards based informationL > which is a collection half truths, guesses, rumors, complete fabrications,J > and an occasional truth -- and I'm not even saying that *you* are making it? > up.  Even if I were to give you some shred of regard for your 
 objectiveness K > (and frankly you froth a bit every time you talk about Alpha, Compaq, HP,  orI > VMS) - your opinions are pretty much based on little-to-no actual real, " > insider, or factual information. > F > But hey, it fits your world view.  How about trying a little thoughtF > experiment.  Go back and re-read it without all your assumptions andJ > opinions - as if all the facts in the story are indeed verifyable facts. IsH > the story plausable?  Now.  Assume that 80% of everything in both your fairy I > tale, and Terry's fairy tale are shaded by someone having had an agenda  whenC > they provided the factual basis of each story.  Which one is more 
 plausable? > E > Now.  Really suck it up guy.  Realize that this isn't an episode on  Dallas, J > and you aren't going to wake up and find that it was all a dream.  AlphaL > will fade away.  IA64 has achieved at least parity in performance with theJ > leading 64 bit ISA's (we can argue fine details in the small percentages ofI > who has the absolute lead in what specific area).  IA64 has a number of  big G > supporters, runs a number of useful OS's, runs on the entire range of L > systems from 1 CPU to big/crazy sized - from *real* tier 1 companies - andG > has a growing list of ISV's.  It's now 2 years later, and OpenVMS has  still L > not been cancelled.  Internally we are getting tremendous support from theI > platform hardware groups, the architecture groups, the chip groups, the J > HP-UX and Linux groups and we *are* on all our internal roadmaps with no end H > date, and we are now a peer organization with HP-UX and the HW groups. > H > OK.  Well, I guess you can stick to your "we're all dirty liars out to screw E > customers and we can't be trusted" (I believe you want some type of K > purification ritual that includes the sacrifice of a CEO before we can be H > rehabilitated).  In fact, pre-merger Compaq was upfront with customers about A > the future at the same time as they told us (VMS) about the new  direction - K > even if it took some time and distance to know the underlying reasons for K > the change and how it came about.  Maybe they played it wrong, maybe not. I > But for the last 2 years we have been doing pretty much what we said we J > would do, and VMS is lined up to deliver IA64 system support pretty much asK > it becomes the fastest/biggest/best 64-bit platform.  HP has embraced VMS  > from the bottom up.  > D > In 2004, OpenVMS customers will be running VAX's, Alpha's, and IPF systems.L > They'll still be buying Alpha's.  Architecture migrations are a multi-yearI > thing.  Mixed clusters and Alpha support will be around a *long* time -  lookK > at the antique VAXes we still are supporting.  We're still supporting the L > DEC 3000 Alpha's - *years* after Tru64 dropped support for them.  I expectL > IPF to simply get bigger/smaller/better/faster/cheaper, and yes - I expectL > that there will only be a couple 64 bit architectures that survive - and IJ > would not bet on Opteron, or Sparc to be among them - and definately notJ > both.  And I expect in 2010 there will still be Bill Todd predictions of the L > end of the world as we know it, and I also expect that we will probably be6 > on OpenVMS for Itanium and Alpha - V10.x by then ;-) > 
 > Chill Bill.  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:17:28 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> Subject: Re: KVM switches ) Message-ID: <3F0DC9D8.1D7BFF28@intel.com>    Tim ffrench-Lynch wrote: >  > Ken Fairfield wrote:B > > Anyone out there actively using the Adder GEM with an Alpha??? > F > I should be receiving an Adder Omega 2 port KVM on Monday. I'll post: > here how well it performs with an Alphastation and a PC.  1 Great!  Waiting with bated breath, as they say...   $ BTW, in your earlier post you wrote:E > . The DEC Alpha running VMS requires keyboard mode 3 that the Omega D > . supports fully. It is also happy running mixed keyboard modes on? > . different ports (most PCs use mode 2). It also supports the E > . undocumented PS/2 codes that are used by DECs and DEC keyboards.  G > . The Omega or GEM are ideal switches for what you are looking to do.  > 9 > The Omega is 80+VAT, supports two computers and sound. E > The GEM is a more normal design, 95+VAT (2 computers), 110+VAT (4 ' > computers) but doesn't support sound.   = 	It looked to me like the Omega is more capable than the GEM, ; yet the GEM is more expensive.  Any hint why that might be?    	Cheers, Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support ) kenneth[dt]h[dt]fairfield[ta]intel[dt]com    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2003 13:01:11 -0700% From: j_radnor@hotmail.com (J Radnor) 0 Subject: Network Slowness related to packet size< Message-ID: <b6d48a68.0307101201.7e4a903@posting.google.com>   $!, $! command file speedtest.com (using Decnet) $!B $ IF P1 .EQS. "" then write sys$output "Need one parameter <Node>" $ IF P1 .EQS. "" then goto done  $ time, $  NCP LOOP NODE 'p1' COUNT 1000 LENGTH 1400 $ time, $  NCP LOOP NODE 'p1' COUNT 1000 LENGTH 1401 $ time $! $ done:  $ exit   Output:    @speedtest mynode    10-JUL-2003 14:30:11   10-JUL-2003 14:30:19   10-JUL-2003 14:34:13  I Can't figure out why the huge difference: 8 seconds vs close to 4 minutes - for a packet size difference of 1, any ideas?    thanks   John Radnor  Dofasco, Inc
 Hamilton, Ont    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 05:26:56 GMT 0 From: HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid>4 Subject: Re: Network Slowness related to packet size5 Message-ID: <AUrPa.114$sI.11152@nasal.pacific.net.au>   & J Radnor <j_radnor@hotmail.com> wrote: > $!. > $! command file speedtest.com (using Decnet) > $!D > $ IF P1 .EQS. "" then write sys$output "Need one parameter <Node>"! > $ IF P1 .EQS. "" then goto done  > $ time. > $  NCP LOOP NODE 'p1' COUNT 1000 LENGTH 1400 > $ time. > $  NCP LOOP NODE 'p1' COUNT 1000 LENGTH 1401 > $ time > $!	 > $ done:  > $ exit > 	 > Output:  >  > @speedtest mynode  >  10-JUL-2003 14:30:11  >  10-JUL-2003 14:30:19  >  10-JUL-2003 14:34:13  > K > Can't figure out why the huge difference: 8 seconds vs close to 4 minutes / > for a packet size difference of 1, any ideas?   A 	I've run the above test between two our standalone nodes, thrice < 	actually, and the times were about 5 seconds for all tests.. 	( VMS 7.3-1, running default DECnet config. )  C 	Might be some config issue at your site, or there might've been a  : 	network hiccup. Have you run your procedure a few times ?   							Cheers,   Csaba  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   $  When the going gets tough, upgrade.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:57:39 +0300 " From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>  Subject: New F$GETSYI item codes& Message-ID: <3F0DA913.5FC03783@hp.com>   BTW,  V The next DCL eco for V7.3-1 will include few new pool related item codes for F$GETSYI:  =         The following item codes have been added to F$GETSYI: M         NPAGED_TOTAL, NPAGED_FREE, NPAGED_INUSE, NPAGED_LARGEST, PAGED_TOTAL,  PAGED_FREE, PAGED_INUSE,         PAGED_LARGEST.           $ sh mem/pool H                       System Memory Resources on  6-JUL-2003 10:30:40.70  T         Dynamic Memory Usage:              Total        Free      In Use     LargestT           Nonpaged Dynamic Memory (MB)      9.53        3.98        5.54        3.68T           Bus Addressable Memory  (KB)    128.00      110.87       17.12      104.00T           Paged Dynamic Memory    (MB)      4.76        3.04        1.72        3.03H           Lock Manager Dyn Memory (MB)      1.77        0.00        1.77  3         $ write sys$output f$getsyi("npaged_total")          9994240 2         $ write sys$output f$getsyi("npaged_free")         4183680      Jim Strehlow wrote:   R > Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3F0D7BFC.383CB534@hp.com>...@ > ... with the next Alpha VMS version V7.3-2, we will ship a new# > lexical function F$DELTA_TIME ...  >   > Having optional parameters for6 > (..., "day"|"hour"|"minute"|"second", variableName )< > would be "nice" to save us from parsing the result string;' > but we can parse if we have to do so.  > V > It would save us from writing an extra couple of lines of code (our own subroutine). >   > Jim, Data911, Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:56:24 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME0 Message-ID: <00A22A73.873FC422@SendSpamHere.ORG>  K In article <3F0D9891.A580E1BF@hp.com>, Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> writes:  >The only one I have areA >guy.peleg@hp.com, guy.peleg@digital.com and guy.peleg@compaq.com  >peleg@star.zko.dec.com  >  >What's wrong with HP mail?   G I can't get them to fix it so I can send email to any HP.COM recipient. 4 See the thread that existed here about 2 months ago.  H I host several virtual domains.  When I send email to HP.COM, HP sees myH MAIL.TMESIS.COM in the header but reverse translates the IP address to aG virtual domain I host (incorrectly, I might add) and rejects my emails.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:51:18 +0300 " From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME& Message-ID: <3F0DA796.42A01B9C@hp.com>   David,  < I'll give it some thoughts and will get back to you offline.   Guy    David Jones wrote:   > Speaking of lexicals...  > P > What I'd like is for f$parse("$3$dka100:[foo]bar.dat",,,"NAME+TYPE") to return > "bar.dat". > > > David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929/ > Ohio State University        |      Internet: N > 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu< > Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu > 3 > Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:01:13 +0300 " From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME& Message-ID: <3F0DA9E8.EF7A3BC1@hp.com>  G send mail to sjammer@netvision.net.il and ask it to be forwarded to me.    Guy   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   M > In article <3F0D9891.A580E1BF@hp.com>, Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> writes:  > >The only one I have areC > >guy.peleg@hp.com, guy.peleg@digital.com and guy.peleg@compaq.com  > >peleg@star.zko.dec.com  > >  > >What's wrong with HP mail?  > I > I can't get them to fix it so I can send email to any HP.COM recipient. 6 > See the thread that existed here about 2 months ago. > J > I host several virtual domains.  When I send email to HP.COM, HP sees myJ > MAIL.TMESIS.COM in the header but reverse translates the IP address to aI > virtual domain I host (incorrectly, I might add) and rejects my emails.  >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:23:54 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME9 Message-ID: <bekatp$65vh7$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   & On 10-Jul-2003 16:45, Guy Peleg wrote:   > Hello DCL gurus, > I > I thought you might be interested  to know that with the next Alpha VMS $ > version V7.3-2, we will ship a new  > lexical function F$DELTA_TIME. > F > F$DELTA returns the difference between a beginning and end time. The% > first argument is an absolute time, F > the second argument can be absolute or delta time. See the following
 > example. >  > BLUSKY> start=f$time() > BLUSKY> end=f$time() > BLUSKY> sh sym start% >   START = "10-JUL-2003 17:38:06.82"  > BLUSKY> sh sym end# >   END = "10-JUL-2003 17:38:30.64" - > BLUSKY> write sys$output f$delta(start,end)  >    0 00:00:23.82 > * > No it won't be backported to VAX 5.5-2 . > & > As usual, your comments are welcome.  G First comment: great; it makes it much easier to calculate run times of  batch jobs or similar.  C The second comment is a question: What about Daylight Savings Time? @ Suppose the first argument is "standard time" and the second one& "daylight savings time" or vice versa.  F "system uptime" ("SHOW SYSTEM") is always displayed correctly, but theG difference of the startup time and the current time may be incorrect by 	 one hour.    Michael    -- X  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.B= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:18:07 +0300d" From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com>. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME& Message-ID: <3F0DBBEF.C781DC0A@hp.com>  M Show system $ASCTIM service to translate a system field that counts the clockl> ticks since boot that's why it is not affected by time change.K F$DELTA does not support daylight saving. I try to think what we can do (ifs4 there is something other than just document it.....)   Guyk     Michael Unger wrote:  ( > On 10-Jul-2003 16:45, Guy Peleg wrote: >  > > Hello DCL gurus, > >FK > > I thought you might be interested  to know that with the next Alpha VMSn& > > version V7.3-2, we will ship a new" > > lexical function F$DELTA_TIME. > >FH > > F$DELTA returns the difference between a beginning and end time. The' > > first argument is an absolute time,iH > > the second argument can be absolute or delta time. See the following > > example. > >M > > BLUSKY> start=f$time() > > BLUSKY> end=f$time() > > BLUSKY> sh sym start' > >   START = "10-JUL-2003 17:38:06.82"M > > BLUSKY> sh sym end% > >   END = "10-JUL-2003 17:38:30.64"e/ > > BLUSKY> write sys$output f$delta(start,end)a > >    0 00:00:23.82 > > , > > No it won't be backported to VAX 5.5-2 . > > ( > > As usual, your comments are welcome. >eI > First comment: great; it makes it much easier to calculate run times ofs > batch jobs or similar. >PE > The second comment is a question: What about Daylight Savings Time?hB > Suppose the first argument is "standard time" and the second one( > "daylight savings time" or vice versa. >eH > "system uptime" ("SHOW SYSTEM") is always displayed correctly, but theI > difference of the startup time and the current time may be incorrect by- > one hour.- >-	 > Michael- >- > -- >-B > Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityC > Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.8? > And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:34:00 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME' Message-ID: <3F0E05F8.B34B51EF@fsi.net>i   David Jones wrote: >  > Speaking of lexicals...e > P > What I'd like is for f$parse("$3$dka100:[foo]bar.dat",,,"NAME+TYPE") to return > "bar.dat".  A f$parse("$3$dka100:[foo]bar.dat",,,"NAME,TYPE") would at least bea consistent with F$EDIT().L   -- ; David J. DachteraN dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/P   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:43:32 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>T. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME' Message-ID: <3F0E0834.3CC0D067@fsi.net>c   Jim Strehlow wrote:i > R > Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3F0D7BFC.383CB534@hp.com>...@ > ... with the next Alpha VMS version V7.3-2, we will ship a new# > lexical function F$DELTA_TIME ...n >   > Having optional parameters for6 > (..., "day"|"hour"|"minute"|"second", variableName )< > would be "nice" to save us from parsing the result string;' > but we can parse if we have to do so.1 > V > It would save us from writing an extra couple of lines of code (our own subroutine).   Just tried these for fun...g  ; DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta" )n 0 001:23:45.67B DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "day" ) 0OC DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "hour" )  001TE DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "minute" )a 23E DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "second" )s 45H DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "hundredth" ) 67   Seems to me that h  5 $ SAY F$CVTI( F$DELTA( START, END ), "DELTA", field )t  ? ...should work just fine. Well, except that the hour field getst zero-padded to three digits...   -- o David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/_   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jul 2003 01:32:49 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) . Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME: Message-ID: <bel441$1ns$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  A In message <3F0E05F8.B34B51EF@fsi.net>, David J. Dachtera writes:.B >f$parse("$3$dka100:[foo]bar.dat",,,"NAME,TYPE") would at least be >consistent with F$EDIT().  M I chose "NAME+TYPE" because I think of it as a string concatenation (althoughiK I'd expect "TYPE+NAME" to still produce "bar.dat" rather than ".datbar" the 
 same result).t    < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:14:42 GMTL6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER). Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME3 Message-ID: <6coPa.55375$1F6.803107@news.chello.at>   K In article <3F0D7BFC.383CB534@hp.com>, Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> writes: H >I thought you might be interested  to know that with the next Alpha VMS# >version V7.3-2, we will ship a newd >lexical function F$DELTA_TIME.e  , Good. I can think of one or two uses for it.  G While we are on time and lexical functions: Can we also have a F$CVTIME2M improvement to convert COMPARISON/ISO timeformat to ABSOLUTE/VMS timeformat ? I Converting only from ABSOLUTE (and DELTA) time is sometimes not enough...F   Thanks   -- h Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERr% Network and OpenVMS system specialisth E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:29:56 -0500 (CDT)l From: sms@antinode.org. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME) Message-ID: <03071022295619@antinode.org>*  1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)i  C > In message <3F0E05F8.B34B51EF@fsi.net>, David J. Dachtera writes:tD > >f$parse("$3$dka100:[foo]bar.dat",,,"NAME,TYPE") would at least be > >consistent with F$EDIT().  O > I chose "NAME+TYPE" because I think of it as a string concatenation (although-M > I'd expect "TYPE+NAME" to still produce "bar.dat" rather than ".datbar" theN  same result).  A    Is there ever a reason to want anything other than an unbrokennE sub-string?  Would a first_element, last_element argument pair do the B job?  (One item gives you that element, two items give you all theD elements from the first through the second, perhaps with an error if they make no sense that way.)   G    Without thinking very hard, I can't see a reason for NODE::.TYPE, orsE anything else with a hole in the middle.  I always seem to want NAME,  TYPE.   E    I'd tend to vote for whatever's easier to implement, unless it was  particularly ugly.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orgA    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:23:52 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME4 Message-ID: <1030710231633.410A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  - On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, David J. Dachtera wrote:f   > Jim Strehlow wrote:c > > T > > Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3F0D7BFC.383CB534@hp.com>...B > > ... with the next Alpha VMS version V7.3-2, we will ship a new% > > lexical function F$DELTA_TIME ...  > > " > > Having optional parameters for8 > > (..., "day"|"hour"|"minute"|"second", variableName )> > > would be "nice" to save us from parsing the result string;) > > but we can parse if we have to do so.r > > X > > It would save us from writing an extra couple of lines of code (our own subroutine). >  > Just tried these for fun...a > = > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta" )C > 0 001:23:45.67  7 $ write sys$output f$cvtime( "2 01:23:45.67", "delta" )n@ %DCL-W-IVDTIME, invalid delta time - use DDDD-HH:MM:SS.CC format  \2 01:23:45.67\   So trying DDDD-HH:...y  7 $ write sys$output f$cvtime( "2-01:23:45.67", "delta" )n
 2 01:23:45.67    and for zero days,  7 $ write sys$output f$cvtime( "0-01:23:45.67", "delta" ) 
 0 01:23:45.67:  . So now there are only 2 digits of hour, not 3.  D > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "day" ) > 0 E > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "hour" )u > 001a  ? $ write sys$output f$cvtime( "0-01:23:45.67", "delta", "hour" )  01  ? $ write sys$output f$cvtime( "2 01:23:45.67", "delta", "hour" )r@ %DCL-W-IVDTIME, invalid delta time - use DDDD-HH:MM:SS.CC format  \2 01:23:45.67\? $ write sys$output f$cvtime( "2-01:23:45.67", "delta", "hour" )  01    G > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "minute" )  > 23G > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "second" )  > 45J > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$cvtime( "0 01:23:45.67", "delta", "hundredth" ) > 67 >  > Seems to me that   > 7 > $ SAY F$CVTI( F$DELTA( START, END ), "DELTA", field )- > A > ...should work just fine. Well, except that the hour field getsD  > zero-padded to three digits...  @ Maybe not...  I don't recall if F$DELTA puts the "-" between the@ days and hours in its output.  (If I go back and look, I'll lose9 this followup and would have to re-create it.  Bad Pine!)3   -- . John Santosc Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:42:48 GMTl9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>.$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal2 Message-ID: <YkjPa.4351$m53.2829@news.cpqcorp.net>   I think it's a fine idea.o  L I think it's perhaps a bit too early in the process for this to be possible.  K I think someone should keep this on the back burner, but target it for, saynG January '04 or so.  Perhaps somehow, someone, can come up with a couple,D systems that maybe get managed in some DECUS-like way, with the V8.1 release.      H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:FW8PQBYcNJBA@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >  >    A proposal: >LI >    WHEREAS there is lot of software on the Freeware CD that needs to be/- >       ported from Alpha and/or VAX to IA64,d >mE >    AND OpenVMS I64 8.0 requires cross compilers hosted on an Alpha,  >>1 >    AND OpenVMS Alpha is fully internet capable,. > J >    AND OpenVMS I64 clusters with OpenVMS Alpha, providing disk and other >       services,n >.3 >    AND we're all itching to get our hands on one,h >sE >    AND nobody is going to get paid to port all that free softeware,a > A >    AND the OpenVMS hobbyist community includes some of the mostE< >       VMS knowledgeable people outside of VMS engineering, >DG >    THEREFOR I propose that HP provide a small two node Alpha and IA64.C >       cluster, unsupported, undocumented, on the internet, to theEK >       OpenVMS hobbyist community at large for the sole purpose of portingn* >       said free software to OpenVMS I64. >gH >    I'll volunteer to remote admin the thing.  Local admin, too, if you- >    can put in in HP's facility on Ivy Lane.1 >3H >    No support from VMS engineering expected, they've got too much work >    to do already.t > G >    And, oh yes, later we should allow porting of other free software,oK >    provided that it end up on the Freeware CD or is made freely availablet* >    by other means such as GNU web sites. >D   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:50:56 GMTa9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>tU Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!P2 Message-ID: <AsjPa.4354$P%2.1555@news.cpqcorp.net>  3 The Itanium-1 Intel Reference platform "white box".s    5 "Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message $ news:3F0B2ED6.10900@NelsonUSA.com... > David J. Dachtera wrote: >-J > > Hey, I'd even consider living without cross-compilers and such just toH > > get a look at the new stuff. Of course, I'd have to shell out for an > > IA64 box to run it on... >7D > Which brings up the big question: What is the lowest cost IA64 box6 > that will run (NOTE: I did *NOT* say "support") VMS? >lI > What I mean is that I don't care if the box is supported by HP for VMS, D > just that someone from VMS engineering is willing to say somethingA > along the lines of "We are pretty sure it will work, and if youtD > find a problem we want to know about it because some of us want to > get one ourselves."   :-)e >r > Alan >d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:06:59 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)J Message-ID: <DHjPa.123015$x4o.122444@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:SeQtGKDl2wkA@eisner.encompasserve.org...FF > In article <bejnjl$41p$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:C > > In article <IzbPa.9276$Ag6.586661@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil. Rieck"" > > <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > > F > >> Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I wonder if RDB will be
 moved fromD > >> Oracle back to OpenVMS engineering? (Although this might not be fiscally9 > >> possible unless Larry Ellison is feeling charitable)  > >-D > > Maybe this was one sell-off which DID make sense (though I would haveE > > asked for more than one year's revenue): If Rdb is with DEC, thenh itE > > competes with Oracle, so Oracle will have less interest promoting  OracleF > > "Classic" on VMS.  It's been a while since Rdb went to Oracle, but itC > > still seems very "VMS-like" to me.  (This assumes that there is  value in, > > having Oracle Classic on VMS.  Discuss.) >iE > There is value in having such a prominent database vendor as Oraclef > support VMS.  B Given that there are no other *prominent* (or dare I say ones withB market share > 1%) rdbms products available on VMS, the absence ofF Oracle on VMS would drive a stake through the heart of VMS faster thanB Dracula could say "Sunrise". That is why HP wil be content to haveC Oracle keep a virtual monopoly on the VMS dbms market, and not want - Rdb ownership to return to Digital/Compaq/HP.s   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2003 13:36:16 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)s8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0307101236.6171049e@posting.google.com>e  
 Dear Neil,  E This is Sue Skonetski, I asked the RDB question.  Yes you are reading-B to much into it.  I love RDB which is why I asked.  Sorry no major news.n   suej    j "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<IzbPa.9276$Ag6.586661@news20.bellglobal.com>...K > While re-reading my seminar notes from the DECUS Canada OpenVMS TechnicalhO > Seminar, I remembered something a little odd: at various times they would ask(O > for a show of hands for  questions like "who uses CSWS?", "who is still using0M > VAX-only clusters?", "who backs up their systems with $BACKUP" etc. The odd P > bit came when they asked "Who uses RDB?" and more that 2/3 (almost 3/4) of theL > people raised their hands but the HP people didn't seem surprised and just	 > nodded.n > N > Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I wonder if RDB will be moved fromJ > Oracle back to OpenVMS engineering? (Although this might not be fiscally6 > possible unless Larry Ellison is feeling charitable) >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:40:29 +0000 (UTC)A. From: Dennis Grevenstein <dennis@pcde.inka.de>$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates, Message-ID: <bekbut$3m2$1@aton.pcde.inka.de>  1 In alt.sys.pdp11 healyzh@noaracnetspam.com wrote:e > I > Is OS-11 related to RT-11?  I think this is the first I've heard of it.a   / It's mentioned in some RT-11 guide I have here.c I don't know it myself.a   mfg  Dennis   -- u? The long journey to world domination begins with a single step.f  ?                                                          Illiada   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:03:01 -0700o0 From: Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com>$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates8 Message-ID: <5vrrgvg3h15mv1te93sjptlgt7eikkph1d@4ax.com>  0 On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:54:44 GMT, "Kelvin Smith" <fcs_smith1111@snet.net> wrote:d  M >I threw out most of my old RSTS information when the office moved last year,h >but I have SPD's for v10: >u >RSTS v10.0, July 1990 >RSTS v10.1, Sep 1992r >c: >I got started with RSTS in 1976, using either v6A or v6B.    E I started with RSTS/E V6A.  All variables in BASIC-PLUS were a single D letter optionally follwed by a single digit.  Version 6B introduced B EXTEND mode, i.e. long variable names, BASIC-PLUS.  I also started, in 1976.  Version 6B was introduced in 1977.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:23:17 -0400e+ From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>s$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release DatesA Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030710192030.05556de8@mail.patmedia.net>   & At 04:37 PM 7/9/2003 +0000, you wrote:  M >For a start, I'd like to appologize for the cross-posting, but I'm trying to M >reach people that might have info but don't normally read the PDP-11 groups.  >rL >I'm looking for release dates for the various PDP-11 OS's.  For example for >RT-11:t  L I'm not sure when IAS was releases for the PDP-11, but when I started a job K in March of 1977, version 1 had just come out. The only thing going for it KJ was a very good DCL that was closer to DCL on VMS than the DCL on RSX11M+  that came out later.  
 Ken Robinson     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:19:55 GMTi) From: bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates8 Message-ID: <%goPa.30441$C43.27865@nwrddc04.gnilink.net>    healyzh@NOaracnetSPAM.com wrote:B > In alt.sys.pdp11 Dennis Grevenstein <dennis@pcde.inka.de> wrote: > 
 >>OS-11		1972e >>RT11 V1		1973e >>RT11 V2		1974o >>RT11 V2C	1976  >  > N > Interesting...  This means that the dates for revisions in the copy of a V2CK > manual I have must loosly translate to releases of RT-11.  This is what Ir. > was suspecting, but couldn't really believe. > I > Is OS-11 related to RT-11?  I think this is the first I've heard of it.  > 	 > 			Zanet > $ my memory is hazy, and maybe faulty. BUT....$E os8 experienced some success, and there is some distant memory of an >C OS11.  Just like RTS8 was discussed as being labled RT8...but some  F squabble seemed to make it change to RTS...but I could be wrong. Mybe  Barb recalls all those fights. bob    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jul 2003 01:02:02 GMT From: healyzh@NOaracnetSPAM.comd* Subject: PDP-11 OS/Layered Cross Reference, Message-ID: <bel2aa01rm7@enews4.newsguy.com>  F OK, I'm expanding my project.  I'm now not only looking for OS ReleaseF dates, I'm also looking for copies of the OS to Layered Products CrossC References found in old SPD's.  What I have so far is available at:aJ http://zane.brouhaha.com/~healyzh/PDP-11_OS_to_Layered_xref.pdf (sorry, it> didn't convert well to HTML so I put it up as a Acrobat file).  8 So far I have information for the following OS Releases: RSTS/E V7.1, V7.2, V8.0  RSX-11M V4.0, V4.1 RSX-11M-PLUS V2.0, V2.1r- RT-11 V4.0, V5.0, V5.4, V5.4d/e/f/g, and V5.5p  K If you any SPD's with the information that I need, I don't care what formathJ the data is in, I'm perfectly happy working from a scan of the appropriate page(s).   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:34:46 -0600e% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>c. Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS/Layered Cross ReferenceA Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030710213310.00bb9950@raptor.psccos.com>   7 At 07:02 PM 7/10/2003, healyzh@NOaracnetSPAM.com wrote:dG >OK, I'm expanding my project.  I'm now not only looking for OS ReleasefG >dates, I'm also looking for copies of the OS to Layered Products CrosseD >References found in old SPD's.  What I have so far is available at:K >http://zane.brouhaha.com/~healyzh/PDP-11_OS_to_Layered_xref.pdf (sorry, its? >didn't convert well to HTML so I put it up as a Acrobat file).  >e9 >So far I have information for the following OS Releases:t >RSTS/E V7.1, V7.2, V8.0 >RSX-11M V4.0, V4.1  >RSX-11M-PLUS V2.0, V2.1. >RT-11 V4.0, V5.0, V5.4, V5.4d/e/f/g, and V5.5 >pL >If you any SPD's with the information that I need, I don't care what formatK >the data is in, I'm perfectly happy working from a scan of the appropriates	 >page(s).n  ) RSX-11M+ V1.0 came out, I think, in 1980.n4 RSX-11M V3.2 came out around 1979 or so (maybe 1978)B Then, of course, there was Micro-RSX that came out around 1984, if memory serves.     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2003 12:38:07 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)p Subject: Re: Pearl Users3 Message-ID: <khjLpJjEiLM6@eisner.encompasserve.org>P  U In article <3F0D9DFC.8CB8FA99@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:i > E > I don't know Pearl at all, but it seems to be very popular with COVr > folks.= > Can anyone give me a brief list of its advantages over DCL?a >   * 	Pearl must be Perl's cousin or something.  ! 	Advantages, sure ... by example:p  K If you had the entire header of a normal Unix email message in $header, youd9 could split it up into fields and their values this way: g  5     $header =~ s/\n\s+/ /g;  # fix continuation linesh;     %hdrs   =  (UNIX_FROM => split /^(.*?):\s*/m, $header);i    B 	Surely I am jesting?  Advantages are it is a powerful programming@ 	language.  Very esoteric it appears, but like anything I'm sure 	you get used to it.   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2003 14:19:49 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)x Subject: Re: Pearl Users3 Message-ID: <0oqdZjgPgkpa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <3F0D9DFC.8CB8FA99@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:u > E > I don't know Pearl at all, but it seems to be very popular with COV  > folks.  A Pearl was a programming language on the VAX (and other machines), . possibly popular with European academic types.  = > Can anyone give me a brief list of its advantages over DCL?   E Perl is a language (I believe interpreted) currently in vogue on manyt
 platforms.  ? If the "popular with COV folks" comment is based on a survey of ? newsgroup topics, beware, because "Pearl" is a term used by Suem@ Skonetski for daily announcements of VMS news items.  That is as@ in "Pearls of Wisdom" having nothing to do with either the older5 or the newer programming language pronounced "pearl".D   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:05:30 GMTt6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> Subject: Re: Pearl Users@ Message-ID: <ad20aa6019c9b91c32900d3aad9637da@free.teranews.com>  + In article <3F0D9DFC.8CB8FA99@pacbell.net>,s)  Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> wrote:s  E > I don't know Pearl at all, but it seems to be very popular with COVy > folks.= > Can anyone give me a brief list of its advantages over DCL?n  B Assuming you mean Perl, not Pearl, the following message from the F vmsperl archives and subsequent messages in the same thread cover the  topic pretty well.  H <http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/vmsperl/2000-11/msg00209.html>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:35:01 -07004, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com> Subject: Re: PPPOE? When? How?) Message-ID: <3F0DCDF5.909E302D@intel.com>"   Reinhard Eigner wrote: > . > > > I want to pppoe from my Alpha to my ISP.M > > > I found in the FAQ that there is no such PPP for the moment for obscureL > > > reasons (to me). > > > < > > > Did anyone succeed to do that with a particular tool ? > > > > > Yes, with an integrated modem-router (on a DSL connexion). > >y? > I suggest the same. I also use a DSL router at home, where myk6 > two PC Systems and my PWS600au@VMS7.3-1 are running.> > That's the easiest way to bring your machine in the internet  > 	Can you give an example of such an integrated "modem-router"?C My DSL modem was supplied by the vendor (Verizon if you care), and  B I've since picked up a Linksys from a colleague to put betweem theB modem and my PC and (soon to arrive) PWS600au.  Being very new to E "home networking", I'd appreciate any tips or references people could$ supply.e    	Thanks, Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support ) kenneth[dt]h[dt]fairfield[ta]intel[dt]com1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:20:07 +0200n, From: "Reinhard Eigner" <antispam@garnix.de> Subject: Re: PPPOE? When? How?/ Message-ID: <bekla7$5e8$01$1@news.t-online.com>n  ? > Can you give an example of such an integrated "modem-router"?eD > My DSL modem was supplied by the vendor (Verizon if you care), andD > I've since picked up a Linksys from a colleague to put betweem theC > modem and my PC and (soon to arrive) PWS600au.  Being very new tobG > "home networking", I'd appreciate any tips or references people couldc	 > supply.o >u  I Take a look at www.draytek.com.tw. There you get DSL routers with/without- integrated modemJ and you can choose if you want to have ISDN dial backup or not. Or perhaps you want also have5 W-LAN? These routers are relative cheap (in Germany).-L After installing you plug your computers via NIC on the router and configure the network settings, / such as ip address/subnet mask/gateway and DNS.-F With this data inside your PWS can surf via Mozilla on VMS through the
 i-net! :-)   byeh Reinhard   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:33:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i Subject: Re: PPPOE? When? How?I Message-ID: <otoPa.125406$x4o.38482@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>d  9 "Ken Fairfield" <My.Full.Name@intel.com> wrote in messageS# news:3F0DCDF5.909E302D@intel.com...E > Reinhard Eigner wrote: > >A0 > > > > I want to pppoe from my Alpha to my ISP.C > > > > I found in the FAQ that there is no such PPP for the moment  for obscuree > > > > reasons (to me). > > > > > > > > > Did anyone succeed to do that with a particular tool ? > > > @ > > > Yes, with an integrated modem-router (on a DSL connexion). > > >eA > > I suggest the same. I also use a DSL router at home, where my 8 > > two PC Systems and my PWS600au@VMS7.3-1 are running.@ > > That's the easiest way to bring your machine in the internet > ? > Can you give an example of such an integrated "modem-router"?eD > My DSL modem was supplied by the vendor (Verizon if you care), andD > I've since picked up a Linksys from a colleague to put betweem theC > modem and my PC and (soon to arrive) PWS600au.  Being very new to.A > "home networking", I'd appreciate any tips or references people  coulda	 > supply.F >L    E My experience is that it's usually better to have separate modems andiF routers. The modems are fairly 'static' as you are limited to the line> speed your ISP has and the support they will give you on basicA link-level connectivity issues - in other words you don't upgradee there things often  F Routers are things you'd upgrade as you desire more features, ie. SPI, VPN, etc...,   www.smc.com: or
 www.dlink.com    many models to choose from.j  E SMC 7004VBR w/VPN end-point can be found for as low as $20 at stores.2   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jul 2003 19:09:43 GMT" From: rufusvii@aol.com (Rufus VII) Subject: RF31 hardware problem: Message-ID: <20030710150943.02945.00000134@mb-m27.aol.com>   Hello out there,  A I've got a problem with two RF31-Disks in a VAX-4000/200 machine; 1 both show "red light" when I turn the machine on.   A I can reach both controllers via SET HOST/DUP/DSSI/BUS:x y <task>l. DRVTST give me a A508 - Unit diagnostic failed1 PARAMS STATUS shows also a lot of A508(X) errors.l  4 Q: What does this A508 means? Anything "repairable"?  : Any advice or reference to MSCP error codes would be nice.   Rufuse   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:49:55 -0400 0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>> Subject: Re: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?$ Message-ID: <3f0dd176$1@news.si.com>   >VMS is VMS is VMS ...  H Unless it's on a VAX.  Then it only bears a high degree of similarity to what's known as VMS now. -- hI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.pD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:05:08 +0200 ( From: Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se>> Subject: Re: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?0 Message-ID: <cs9brw2hwbv.fsf@tempo.update.uu.se>  2 "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes:   >>VMS is VMS is VMS ...u >eJ > Unless it's on a VAX.  Then it only bears a high degree of similarity to > what's known as VMS now.  & Are the differences really that great?   /andreas   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2003 17:29:46 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen),> Subject: Re: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?3 Message-ID: <ubxEM3JS5scM@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  [ In article <cs9brw2hwbv.fsf@tempo.update.uu.se>, Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> writes:a4 > "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes: >  >>>VMS is VMS is VMS ... >>K >> Unless it's on a VAX.  Then it only bears a high degree of similarity toW >> what's known as VMS now.P > ( > Are the differences really that great?  H Not if you restrict yourself to the set of features present in 1992 :-(.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:59:57 GMTe9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> & Subject: Re: Where's my bleeping beep?2 Message-ID: <1BjPa.4356$l63.4182@news.cpqcorp.net>  K Welcome to the wonderful world of PC standards.  The PS2-style keyboard has>J no bell.  The bell is the square wave generator in the junk IO.  DependingJ on the system, this may route to a speaker, or to a sound card (which will* pass it through - but you need a speaker).  J There also is no volume control.  But you can control pitch and frequency.    A "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org> wrote in messagen- news:LMuVsea5z$iI@eisner.encompasserve.org...mB > I have a DEC PWS 500a running VMS V7.3 with an LK46W-A2 keyboardC > which doesn't seem to beep.  My DECW$SMB_KEYBOARD.DAT has this in  > it...t >= > sm.bell_enable: enable > sm.bell_percent:        40$ > keyboard_dialect:       US_LK401AA > A > which "I think" is correct.  I Googled for a bit and found noteY9 > from someone with a similar problem, but no resolution.  > " > Anyone know what might be wrong?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:48:09 GMTt9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>  Subject: Re: X11 proxy on VMS ?m1 Message-ID: <ZpjPa.4353$P53.398@news.cpqcorp.net>e  K Anyone who is using a X11 Terminal that uses LAT and/or any of the software F that went along with the DEC X11 Terminals, should probably contact meC directly - so I know who you are, and can make you known to producte management.   L The old DEC stuff is antique, and it slipped through the cracks for the V1.3L release (which we are fixing in V7.3-2).  But the next question is if anyoneI expects to be able to use a X11 terminal that depends on LAT or the other0G DEC X-Terminal-specific stuff when they have a IA64 host running VMS...   L Right now, I think we are planning on porting the LAT transport, but not anyK of the old DEC-X-Terminal specific stuff... partly because we don't the olde hardware to test it.    ; "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> wrote in messaget news:3f0b1e8b$1@news.si.com...E > >   I'm using one right now.  The entire DEC VXT line supports LAT,w > >   DECnet, and TCP/IP.s >m> > As well at the VT1000 and VT1200.  They both did X over LAT. > --K > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 7 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.iF > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991F: >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >d   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.379 ************************