1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 385       Contents:* Re: A cartoon about computers and religion Re: APC UPS control for VMS + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense  My Alpha has no panties on !!!" Re: My Alpha has no panties on !!!" Re: My Alpha has no panties on !!!( OpenVMS running under simh, ucx problem. Re: PPPOE? When? How?  Re: Problems with licenses. 5 Re: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:02:45 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 3 Subject: Re: A cartoon about computers and religion / Message-ID: <vh47ajn84vso6f@news.supernews.com>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:JPh9P$TbY2RA@eisner.encompasserve.org... @ > http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030711&mode=classic  ( Please don't post uncommented URLs.   :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:44:33 -0500 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>$ Subject: Re: APC UPS control for VMS2 Message-ID: <pFGdnTfGOKQcY4yiXTWc-g@speakeasy.net>   VAXman- wrote:_ > In article <UF2dnT6fFN-os5eiXTWc-g@speakeasy.net>, Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net> writes:  >  >>G >>Good product, and Brian worked with us to get it going under TCPware  F >>(which at that time, ~2 years ago, he hadn't been able to test with $ >>much) so the support is there too. >  > H > Did I need to change any code?  IIRC, it was merely a matter of having' > no version of TCPware to test UPShot.  >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM 
 >             7 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   >   C There were some issues where UPShot would just stop; if I remember  F correctly it had more to do with a TCPware V5.3-3 specific issue that E you needed to work around, plus the customer being forced to finally  G allow us to install the most recent TCPware patches (they rarely allow  G the downtime...).  You did end up sending us an updated version at the  ) time, so I assume there was code changed.   G There might also have been a VMS V6.1 specific issue with threads.  If  : you're really interested I can dig up the email to verify.   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2003 19:28:20 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense3 Message-ID: <t+1KyKkQ9p1Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <1030712021941.410E-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: " > On 11 Jul 2003, Rob Young wrote: >    >>  E >> 	A whole bunch of someone elses will do it, but they are nobodies.  >>  @ >> 	The large OEMs - HP, Dell, IBM are making boatloads of moneyA >> 	selling 4-way Xeons.  The only thing moving to 4-way Opterons B >> 	and pushing them would be to make less money - a lot less.  So@ >> 	for the large OEMs that are getting big discounts on per-cpuI >> 	pricing, they have a huge financial dis-incentive to move to Opteron. B >> 	Again, mom and pops receive no such discount so those 1000 CPUB >> 	prices make very good sense to go the Opteron route.  Dell andC >> 	others - a totally different game.  High-rollers like Dell, HP, 2 >> 	IBM, get special 100000 CPU pricing discounts. >>  U >> > Do you really think that if some white box manufacturers are making and selling  U >> > Opteron based servers, for less than Dell can sell a Xeon based server, that it  U >> > will take Mikey more than 2 seconds to get moving on some Opteron based servers?  >>  E >> 	Absolutely no move to Opteron on 4-ways!  Mike Dell is all about  C >> 	business.  Making a whole lot less money selling 4-way Opterons B >> 	makes absolutely no business sense.  Last time I checked, naryC >> 	a server out of the 200 Intel servers I walk past now and again @ >> 	were whitebox.  Mid-size and larger businesses generally buyF >> 	quality, i.e. tier-1 OEM.  Besides, the first large OEM that trulyI >> 	makes a break to Opteron puts ALL their secret large Intel discounts  I >> 	at risk.  They wouldn't want to sell a lot less desktops, would they?  >>  B >> 	Perhaps if AMD had a good desktop solution, maybe someone gets@ >> 	frisky.  AMD is rather moribound on the desktop - near death
 >> 	actually.  >>  
 >> 				Rob > A > So in other words, sell all your Dell/HP/IBM stock, find one or > > two Mom&Pops that are competently run and can scale up theirA > manufacturing, support, sales, etc. appropriately when the time > > comes, and have a catchy logo, theme song, good ad agency orA > whatever, and make a mint.  Because Dell, Compaq, DEC, Sun, and B > many more were all once Mom&Pops with nothing to lose, competing. > against companies with high-margin products. >   ; 	Nah.  Maybe "back in the day".  But not anymore.  The only = 	thing whitebox has done recently is accelerate desktop price ? 	declines.  HP even gets it - offering a < $500 PC today.  Dell ? 	of course is the trend setter there.  "Poof" went the whitebox 9 	for desktops.  Makes little sense to go whitebox anymore  	for a desktop.     < 	Think of Opteron as an accelerator for Xeon price declines.< 	If it even has an effect.  But this is natural.  It is only> 	natural to see server margins slide and slide faster as Intel= 	adjusts their pricing models in lieu of, in spite of Opteron : 	or just because they want to rip more market share in the< 	sweet spot (4 CPU) from Sun etc. making a 4 CPU proprietary; 	RISC box a thing of the past.  Imagine in a few years when 9 	Dell and HP are delivering server prices so good that no ? 	one even thinks of wandering off the farm!  Won't be long now!   C 	Maybe if Opteron had world-beater performance it would make for a  D 	more interesting or exciting debate.  But the numbers aren't there.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:41:21 -0400 , From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>' Subject: My Alpha has no panties on !!! / Message-ID: <vh3vbbav2r3gf0@news.supernews.com>    Yeah, Whatever...   ' I had to attract your attention somehow    www.islandco.com     -- David B Turner Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 2010402 http://www.islandco.com  dbturner-at-hpaq.net (Change the -at- to @ to reply)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 04:06:42 +0100 / From: Brass <whywouldyousendspam@microsoft.com> + Subject: Re: My Alpha has no panties on !!! , Message-ID: <3f121e4e$1@news.swissonline.ch>   David Turner wrote:  > Yeah, Whatever...  > ) > I had to attract your attention somehow  >  > www.islandco.com  G You attracted my attention. You sent an e-mail to me June, 17th saying  @ that IslandCo will finish the firmware upgrade within one week. G Unfortunately I didn't hear from you since. Please let me know whether  2 you got my three e-mails I sent to you in between.F Did you sent any e-mail to me after June, 17th? I didn't receive any.  Please let me know ASAP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:19:40 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: My Alpha has no panties on !!! ' Message-ID: <3F12214C.91C78762@fsi.net>    David Turner wrote:  >  > Yeah, Whatever...   ? If your Alpha DID have panties on, THEN I would be concerned...   " (See, I'm missing a pair, and ...)  G D'ya ever notice that we talk about a "pair" of panties, but at any one G time, a woman (or ??) wears just one bra? (with apologies to Gallagher)    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:11:33 +0800 ( From: Peter Sutter <nospam@sopac.com.au>1 Subject: OpenVMS running under simh, ucx problem. = Message-ID: <3f123bb5$0$23614$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>   J Sorry if this is the wrong newsgroup, but I could not find one that deals  with simh and OpenVMS.  H I had a bit of a misfortune in that my microvax 3100 died. Fortunately, J there was a VaxStation 4000 VLC with which I could salvage the disks from , the 3100. (Created container files with LD).  K These container files I tranferred to a Linux box, where I installed simh.  2 Simh accepts the container files created with LD.   G First time, OpenVMS comes up and the only thing I had to change was to  G define some system wide logicals in systartup_vms to map the old disks  % (dkannn) to the emulated ones (duan).   L Everything works fine, except for one slight problem with ucx. ucx seems to I work fine, with one exception: There is one node on the network which is  L unreachable, and that is the linux box the emulator runs on. This goes both I ways, the emulated vax can't connect to the linux box, and the linux box  L can't connect to the emulated vax. Both, the linux box and the emulated vax 3 can connect to anything else without any problems.    K Physically, both use the same network card, although I use a different MAC  K address on the emulated vax. The emulator is running in superuser mode and  , puts the network card into promiscuous mode.  L The rest of the network (decnet) works fine, set host to the 4000 VLC works.  " Any clues and suggestions welcome.   Peter Sutter   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:15:35 -0500 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: PPPOE? When? How?2 Message-ID: <Q1GdnbV1stFbmI-iXTWc-g@speakeasy.net>  - >>>>>I want to pppoe from my Alpha to my ISP. L >>>>>I found in the FAQ that there is no such PPP for the moment for obscure >>>>>reasons (to me).  >>>>> ; >>>>>Did anyone succeed to do that with a particular tool ?   E First sympathies... PPPoE REEKS.  It is the vendors way of providing  H cheap 'consumer grade' service that they can exercise a great deal more G control over than a basic TCP/IP connection.  It is also intended only  ? for use with individual desktops (PCs), until recently running  I proprietary PPPoE login code, and there are variations in providers that   can cause lots of problems.   H You can get the various network boxes that provide a PPPoE client mode. C   You should check the various websites support sections to see if  E others have managed to get them working with your particular network  D provider, especially if you plan on using a STATIC address service. H We're currently working to get a customer who switched carriers without D telling us from a unreliable standard TCPIP connection to SBC/Yahoo F PPPoE DSL, and so far the only boxes that will connect are individual E PCs with the SBC software.  Netgear, LinkSys, and Sonicwall have all  H failed; in this case it is due to the provision of a static IP address. G   Even though all three hardware vendors provide the option, NONE work  H completely with the SBC connection (actually the Sonicwall comes close, G but you can't get VPN tunnels to come up even after taking care of the  C MTU problems).  SBC has told us that the equipment in use for that  G circuit is 'provisional' and 'different' from that used in most of the  = rest of their service, but refuses to provide any additional  D information, or assistance, since their software on a PC works; the E three hardware vendors all blame the problem on nonstandard setup or  I hardware at SBC.  This has been ongoing for 4 weeks, and we've basically  I had to tell the customer that their choice of service is not supportable  G   (though we do in fact have one other customer using a Sonicwall as a  A PPPoE client for an older Ameritech iDSL link successfully after  , wrangling through the MTU problems as well).  I Finally, PPPoE takes overhead in every packet.  You will need to set the  A various MTUs to a lower value then 1500 (I've seen 1464 and 1404  H recommended), and enable packet fragmentation, on whatever intermediary I box you end up with.  You may also need to do that for every box on your  " LAN that will access the internet.  G Good luck.  Personally I'd do a l ot of legwork, and spend more money,  " to avoid PPPoE if at all possible.   Rich Jordan  CCS    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:25:47 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: Problems with licenses.' Message-ID: <3F11CE5B.D6CFC081@fsi.net>    Dan Williams wrote:  > [snip]# >  VAX-VMS                      DEC   : $ LICENSE LIST/FULL VAX-VMS would be useful at this point.  B Also, if you can, set your machine to use the serial console, hookH something with a terminal program running on it and trap (and then post)7 the screen output resulting from this command sequence:    $ REPLY/ENABLE $ LICENSE LOAD VAX-VMS $ REPLY/DISABLE    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jul 2003 17:20:23 -0700+ From: seanobanion@attbi.com (Sean O'Banion) > Subject: Re: vms security model - does it still exist on IA64?= Message-ID: <f883d5a4.0307131620.662b31bc@posting.google.com>   D And of course I get it wrong: it's spelled CINERAMA and it's 2.65:1.     Sean  p seanobanion@attbi.com (Sean O'Banion) wrote in message news:<f883d5a4.0307111332.5337bc51@posting.google.com>...@ > Where was it?  In the center, in between two others, or on the
 > outside? > H > I realize this ranks up there in the "what has that got to do with theD > price of eggs" along with the aspect ratio of the screen for threeF > strip CINARAMA from the point of view of the projector box (2.06:1), > but I gotta ask... >  >  > Sean >  > _ > hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<YhZOa.4227$ET1.2384@news.cpqcorp.net>... u > > In article <b7aTdEKsmS1V@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: i > > :In article <mowOa.63373$n%5.61267@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, bob smith <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> writes:  > > :>   > > :>   > > :> Hoff Hoffman wrote: > > :>  N > > :>>   Extra credit question: which VAX implementation had five modes. :-)  >   - > > :> I believe it is something called SEVMS  > > : G > > :   Hoff sure looks to be asking about hardware, SEVMS is software.  > >  > > J > >   The Nautilus-class VAX platform (VAX 8800 and friends) had a specialN > >   variant of the Nautilus platform microcode that effectively implemented K > >   an additional processor mode -- another ring.  The standard microcode J > >   for the platform implemented "just" four modes.  There were at leastH > >   two potential OS-level applications for this extra "ring" -- Larry6 > >   (LJK) has already cited the major one: security. > >  > > R > >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------O > >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq R > >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------I > >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.385 ************************                                                                                                        s:>x[lOC?׶v@	oW;jawߒ6jw4Lf;8jZ4MbKtC8M`fج:cbV;a46yF:5/d諡&R4%rI
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