1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 15 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 388       Contents:A %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists E Re: %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists E Re: %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists E Re: %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists  Re: A rant about HP's website. Burning a CD? or?  Re: Burning a CD? or?  Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?* Re: Cheap Memory Options for Alpha Servers Concerns about buying Alpha  Re: Concerns about buying Alpha  Re: Concerns about buying Alpha P Re: D.H. Brown: EV7 AlphaServers Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful Performance PP Re: email rejection by HP mail servers (was Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP)P Re: email rejection by HP mail servers (was Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP)P Re: email rejection by HP mail servers (was Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP) Re: Getting rid of DECwindows?' Re: How do I determine File using LBA # ' Re: How do I determine File using LBA # # How do I determine File using LBA #  Howdy 	 Re: Howdy + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense  Intel advertising  Re: Intel advertising P Re: Intel's had Dirty Bombs Anthrax and everything! (Was: Re: HP World: Why Alph- Intermittent NFS problem VAX/VMS 7.1, UCX 4.2 0 Re: looking for used hardware in UK, NL, B, D, S; Re: newcomer question - mechanism to partition a AVMS box ? 7 newcomer question - mechanism to partition a AVMS box ? ; Re: newcomer question - mechanism to partition a AVMS box ?  OpenVMS  NCP quiestion? % Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet) % Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet) % Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet) % Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet) L Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!L Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!P Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!   tP OpenVMS Technical Journal Update and call for participation for the Jan 2004 iss2 Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in July@ Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day in Chicago - Only 10 days away!P Re: OpenVMS, and Itanium2 and Itanium2 6M (was: Re: HP Webcast  thismorning on NP Re: OpenVMS, and Itanium2 and Itanium2 6M (was: Re: HP Webcast thismorning on Ne* Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction* Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates 3 Re: Problem with XDM ( tcpip v5.3 on axp/vms 7.3-1) ' Re: Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP ' Re: Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP ' Re: Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP # Re: Serial Connection over Ethernet ( simple questions on generic batch queues5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 02:15:44 -0700' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers) J Subject: %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists= Message-ID: <be44b12d.0307150115.71a7fda0@posting.google.com>    Some help needed,    $ sh que CF31053/all/full O Printer queue CF31053, idle, on LNV8::"10.170.31.53:9100", mounted form DEFAULT    <HP LaserJet 4000>P   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DEFAULT) /LIBRARY=HP_LASERJET_DEVCTL LowercaseJ   /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S))   /RETAIN=ERROR /SEPARATE=(RESET=(RESET))   4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------?     774  RESTORE_DB_FD   RC_TIMMERS       19  Retained on error 0        %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input!        -RMS-E-FNF, file not found )        -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file F          Submitted 15-JUL-2003 11:08:01.78 /FORM=DEFAULT /PRIORITY=100L          File: _$1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1;          Completed 15-JUL-2003 11:10:39.17 on queue CF31053 B $ dir $1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1  + Directory $1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]    RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1    Total of 1 file.    
 Help.......!!   
 Greetings,   Piet Timmers   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 11:52:18 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) N Subject: Re: %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists- Message-ID: <3f13ced2$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   = In article <be44b12d.0307150115.71a7fda0@posting.google.com>, ) piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers) writes:  |>Some help needed,  |> |>$ sh que CF31053/all/full I |>Printer queue CF31053, idle, on LNV8::"10.170.31.53:9100", mounted form 	 |>DEFAULT  |>  <HP LaserJet 4000>H |>  /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DEFAULT) /LIBRARY=HP_LASERJET_DEVCTL |>Lowercase . |>  /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM |>/PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) + |>  /RETAIN=ERROR /SEPARATE=(RESET=(RESET))  |>6 |>  Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status6 |>  -----  -------         --------     ------  ------A |>    774  RESTORE_DB_FD   RC_TIMMERS       19  Retained on error 2 |>       %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input# |>       -RMS-E-FNF, file not found + |>       -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file H |>         Submitted 15-JUL-2003 11:08:01.78 /FORM=DEFAULT /PRIORITY=100 |>         File:? |>_$1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1 = |>         Completed 15-JUL-2003 11:10:39.17 on queue CF31053 D |>$ dir $1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1 |>- |>Directory $1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]  |> |>RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1  |> |>Total of 1 file. |> |> |>Help.......!!  |> |>Greetings, |> |>Piet Timmers |>   Piet,   * check if node LNV8 has access to $1$dga80:   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:37:43 +0100 , From: Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com>N Subject: Re: %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists1 Message-ID: <3F13D977.48B9C58C@notreallyhere.com>   T If the file has been superseded since the job was submitted you will see this error.H The system used the file number (nnn,nnn,nnn) rather than the file name.   Ade    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 09:08:11 -07003 From: thomas.schick@de.michelin.com (Thomas Schick) N Subject: Re: %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists< Message-ID: <d7229a50.0307150808.6f3dbfa@posting.google.com>  l piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers) wrote in message news:<be44b12d.0307150115.71a7fda0@posting.google.com>... > Some help needed,  >  > $ sh que CF31053/all/full Q > Printer queue CF31053, idle, on LNV8::"10.170.31.53:9100", mounted form DEFAULT  >   <HP LaserJet 4000>R >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DEFAULT) /LIBRARY=HP_LASERJET_DEVCTL LowercaseL >   /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)+ >   /RETAIN=ERROR /SEPARATE=(RESET=(RESET))  > 6 >   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status6 >   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------A >     774  RESTORE_DB_FD   RC_TIMMERS       19  Retained on error 2 >        %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input# >        -RMS-E-FNF, file not found + >        -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file H >          Submitted 15-JUL-2003 11:08:01.78 /FORM=DEFAULT /PRIORITY=100N >          File: _$1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1= >          Completed 15-JUL-2003 11:10:39.17 on queue CF31053 D > $ dir $1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1 > - > Directory $1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]  >  > RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1  >  > Total of 1 file. >  >  > Help.......!!   M Does HP_LASERJET_DEVCTL.TLB exist on sys$library: or is there a logical name  ; HP_LASERJET_DEVCTL which points to an invalid form library?  Thomas   >  > Greetings, >  > Piet Timmers   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:43:13 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>' Subject: Re: A rant about HP's website. 9 Message-ID: <bf0kh6$8uotn$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   ) On 15-Jul-2003 02:58, Peter Sutter wrote:    > [...]  > K > Most companies do their websites the quick and dirty with some Micro$oft  I > software, their wisdom being that if it runs on IE, then we are ok, we  L > don't need the rest, it is us who set the standard. Well, I disagree with  > this attitude. >  > [...]   F Your assumption seems to be true for a lot of sites. But HP should (!)F realize that visitors of their "OpenVMS" and "AlphaServer" (sub-)sites0 don't follow the "IE ist the standard" attitude.   Michael    --    @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2003 15:40:23 GMT' From: morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu ()  Subject: Burning a CD? or?+ Message-ID: <bf1797$svp$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>   C After about 15 years the state budget cuts finally found me and I'm  looking for a new job...    B While the boss is being very nice about it eventually I'm going toA have to move 15 years worth of accumulated files off the AS 1000A 7 (which will also disappear after I go) running VMS 7.1.   - This comes to something around 100 megabytes.   G I realize that isn't close to a full CD, but all I really have at home  @ is a CD player and a floppy drive and in view of my finances ...    Is there a recipe for do this?    D Would I be better off transferring all the files to a pc (via vmstarA and/or ftp and/or samba) and burning the cd there? (I could use a A departmental PC which is hooked up to the ethernet, my home pc is  hooked up via a 56k line :-( )  B The other alternative is to use a parallel port zip drive (250mb),? but I was under the impression that using the parallel port for 6 anything other than a printer was problematic at best.  ) Thank you for any advice you can give me,  Robert Morphis   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:57:36 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> Subject: Re: Burning a CD? or?' Message-ID: <bf18f1$e94$1@lore.csc.com>   % morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:  > E > After about 15 years the state budget cuts finally found me and I'm  > looking for a new job... > D > While the boss is being very nice about it eventually I'm going toC > have to move 15 years worth of accumulated files off the AS 1000A 9 > (which will also disappear after I go) running VMS 7.1.  > / > This comes to something around 100 megabytes.   C Only 100 meg? I've got a few gig, but I have got 3 years on you :-)     > Is there a recipe for do this?  G If the VMS attributes are important, you could back it up to a saveset, E then ZIP which could be burned to a CD, or better a couple or more of H CDs for safekeeping. You could also use VMSZIP retaining VMS attributes,G the benefit you could drag out files on the PC. Maybe use both formats, 4 so when you get a hobby system, they can live again.  H VMSTAR is another method, I've no real experience (other than extractingF files) but I think ZIP would be more universal, and because it "knows"E VMS, may be more friendly. TAR isn't compressed of course either, but  you probably knew that.   2 Simmer gently, and find a nice bottle of red wine! --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:14:41 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? 2 Message-ID: <bf0666$nig$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  3 Yes it can (3rd line from the bottom, last switch):      $ zip   Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP% Type 'zip "-L"' for software license. > Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999). Usage: zip=="$disk:[dir]zip.exe"< zip zipfile[.zip] [list] [/EXCL=(xlist)] /options /modifiersL    The default action is to add or replace zipfile entries from list, exceptJ    those in xlist. The include file list may contain the special name - toF    compress standard input.  If both zipfile and list are omitted, zip    compresses stdin to stdout.$    Type zip -h for Unix style flags.    Major options include: I      /FRESHEN, /UPDATE, /DELETE, /[NO]MOVE, /COMMENTS[={ZIP_FILE|FILES}], A      /LATEST, /TEST, /ADJUST_OFFSETS, /FIX_ARCHIVE[=FULL], /UNSFX     Modifiers include: H      /EXCLUDE=(file list), /INCLUDE=(file list), /SINCE="creation time",N      /QUIET,/VERBOSE[=MORE],/[NO]RECURSE,/[NO]DIRNAMES,/JUNK,/ENCRYPT[="pwd"],I      /[NO]KEEP_VERSION, /[NO]VMS, /[NO]PKZIP, /TRANSLATE_EOL[={LF|CRLF}], M      /[NO]EXTRA_FIELDS /LEVEL=[0-9], /TEMP_PATH=directory, /BATCH[=list file]  $        David Gray wrote:  > Greetings all,   > C > Can Zip encrypt files?   My version of zip (2.3) does not mention F > anything on the help screen about encruption, but reading the manual. > it appears that the switch -e can be used.   > 
 > Any ideas?   >  > Dave.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:29:29 +0100 % From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net> ! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? 8 Message-ID: <5b78hvciuc1m1beeb1oidkq8o9dilnel91@4ax.com>    Ok cheers to all who answered.    @ I downloaded a new distribution of zip and unzip, set up the CLI/ version of ZIP and this is what it gives me...     XDS_JERRY> ZIPCLI/HELP       Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP% Type 'zip "-L"' for software license. > Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999). Usage: zip=="$disk:[dir]zip.exe"< zip zipfile[.zip] [list] [/EXCL=(xlist)] /options /modifiersD   The default action is to add or replace zipfile entries from list, exceptF   those in xlist. The include file list may contain the special name - toE   compress standard input.  If both zipfile and list are omitted, zip    compresses stdin to stdout. #   Type zip -h for Unix style flags.    Major options include:*     /FRESHEN, /UPDATE, /DELETE, /[NO]MOVE, /COMMENTS[={ZIP_FILE|FILES}], @     /LATEST, /TEST, /ADJUST_OFFSETS, /FIX_ARCHIVE[=FULL], /UNSFX   Modifiers include:@     /EXCLUDE=(file list), /INCLUDE=(file list), /SINCE="creation time",@     /QUIET, /VERBOSE[=MORE], /[NO]RECURSE, /[NO]DIRNAMES, /JUNK,,     /[NO]KEEP_VERSION, /[NO]VMS, /[NO]PKZIP, /TRANSLATE_EOL[={LF|CRLF}], F     /[NO]EXTRA_FIELDS /LEVEL=[0-9], /TEMP_PATH=directory, /BATCH[=list file]    No /ENCRPYPT switch.    C On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:14:41 +0200, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:   4 >Yes it can (3rd line from the bottom, last switch): >  >  >$ zip! >Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP & >Type 'zip "-L"' for software license.? >Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999). Usage: zip=="$disk:[dir]zip.exe" = >zip zipfile[.zip] [list] [/EXCL=(xlist)] /options /modifiers M >   The default action is to add or replace zipfile entries from list, except K >   those in xlist. The include file list may contain the special name - to G >   compress standard input.  If both zipfile and list are omitted, zip  >   compresses stdin to stdout. % >   Type zip -h for Unix style flags.  >   Major options include:J >     /FRESHEN, /UPDATE, /DELETE, /[NO]MOVE, /COMMENTS[={ZIP_FILE|FILES}],B >     /LATEST, /TEST, /ADJUST_OFFSETS, /FIX_ARCHIVE[=FULL], /UNSFX >   Modifiers include:I >     /EXCLUDE=(file list), /INCLUDE=(file list), /SINCE="creation time", O >     /QUIET,/VERBOSE[=MORE],/[NO]RECURSE,/[NO]DIRNAMES,/JUNK,/ENCRYPT[="pwd"], J >     /[NO]KEEP_VERSION, /[NO]VMS, /[NO]PKZIP, /TRANSLATE_EOL[={LF|CRLF}],N >     /[NO]EXTRA_FIELDS /LEVEL=[0-9], /TEMP_PATH=directory, /BATCH[=list file] >$ >  >  >  >David Gray wrote: >> Greetings all,  >>  D >> Can Zip encrypt files?   My version of zip (2.3) does not mentionG >> anything on the help screen about encruption, but reading the manual / >> it appears that the switch -e can be used.    >>   >> Any ideas?  >>  	 >> Dave.     ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 18:09:57 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? 6 Message-ID: <20030715180957.13422.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. 8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  ; On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> wrote: ! >Ok cheers to all who answered.    > A >I downloaded a new distribution of zip and unzip, set up the CLI 0 >version of ZIP and this is what it gives me...    <snip>   >No /ENCRPYPT switch.   I I believe it was Nic Clews who updated PGP to work on VMS again.  Failing / that, I can put together a version I have here.   N If Nic isn't submitting his effort for the next Freeware I'll tidy the build I have here and submit it.     Doc. --  K OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. K [New PGP Key - Get via finger]        http://deathrow.vistech.net/BOFH/doc/    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 05:40:05 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: Cheap Memory Options for Alpha Servers = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0307150440.6c569dc5@posting.google.com>   a brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote in message news:<03071413393837@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>... I > Has anyone had any experience with using non-HP memory for use in Alpha . > Servers?  Specifically DS20, ES40, or GS160? >  > What was the result? >  > Thoughts on why or why not?  >    > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com  6 it definitely works fine in a ds20, and I believe es40. also ... we have been using non dec memory w/o5 problems for years ... give Dave at Island a call ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:45:52 -0400 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>$ Subject: Concerns about buying Alpha/ Message-ID: <vh7tvo5rbp6670@news.supernews.com>   H Just out of curiosity - and yes, I know a lot of you can't or wopn't buy from Island.  K What is the general opinion of buying Alpha systems now the Itanium looks a  wee bit more viable ?   J And... if you are buying Alpha SYSTEMS, are you buying larger (ES4x/GSxxx) or DSxx series boxes?   H Curious, as we need to know what to inventory for the VMS market for the upcoming year.  ! Please respond if at all possible      Thanks   --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 09:10:01 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: Re: Concerns about buying Alpha3 Message-ID: <$OlojU$EtKC5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <vh7tvo5rbp6670@news.supernews.com>, "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:  M > What is the general opinion of buying Alpha systems now the Itanium looks a  > wee bit more viable ?   G I don't think Itanium looks any more viable, because I had no doubts in : the first place.  I am interested in VAX as well as Alpha.  L > And... if you are buying Alpha SYSTEMS, are you buying larger (ES4x/GSxxx) > or DSxx series boxes?  > J > Curious, as we need to know what to inventory for the VMS market for the > upcoming year.  D This newsgroup is probably an unrealistic sample of the marketplace.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 16:29:43 +02002 From: "Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net>( Subject: Re: Concerns about buying Alpha( Message-ID: <3f140fd5$1@news.wineasy.se>  @ I would say, it depends what you are going to use the Alpha for.K The company I work for sell new Alpha systems for delivery this year. Thats L becuase the customers are interested in the application and the benefits theL Alpha and OVMS stands for. They may consider upgrade their ALphas to Itanium when times come.  J The critical factor is probably if your application is ready and tested onA Itanium. I would guess that most of our customers are looking for H reliability and proven solutions and should sit back and wait until theyH take the Itanium boxes and the applications in to production. This is to have the applications ready.  I There are also upgrade programs available that let you buy and install an G Alpha and later on have it upgraded to an Itanium at a fixed (?) price.    /Lars   1 "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in message ) news:vh7tvo5rbp6670@news.supernews.com... J > Just out of curiosity - and yes, I know a lot of you can't or wopn't buy > from Island. > K > What is the general opinion of buying Alpha systems now the Itanium looks  a  > wee bit more viable ?  > L > And... if you are buying Alpha SYSTEMS, are you buying larger (ES4x/GSxxx) > or DSxx series boxes?  > J > Curious, as we need to know what to inventory for the VMS market for the > upcoming year. > # > Please respond if at all possible  >  >  > Thanks >  > --   > David B Turner! > Island Computers US Corporation  > 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@hpaq.net > http://www.hpaq.net  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:15:56 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> Y Subject: Re: D.H. Brown: EV7 AlphaServers Deliver Enhanced RAS and Powerful Performance P 0 Message-ID: <bf0k8t$4bt$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:J > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:21:40 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> > wrote: >  > F >>"Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message- >>news:CxjPa.4355$9X2.944@news.cpqcorp.net...  >  > F >>>In context, the point was that the cost/benefit long term to remain$ >>>competetive with Alpha was bleak. >>+ >>Perhaps to the arithmetically-challenged.  >> >  > K > The only arithmetic that matters is the profit calculation.  Nobody knows H > what that would be with EV8 investment:  design, manufacturing, system3 > design/implementation, and price/volume of sales.  >     B Umm right so how much has your employer sunk into Itanium over the last 13 or so years ???????   = Estimates for HP and Intels joint spend on the project so far > put Itanium at 5 billion dollars and climbing, this is 10x the- cost of any other new ISA and implimentation.   < If the only arithmetic was a profit calculation then Itanium would not exist.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:15:31 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> Y Subject: Re: email rejection by HP mail servers (was Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP) > Message-ID: <DfSQa.12666$La5.95925347@news-text.cableinet.net>  H I've been having similar problems for the past few weeks. My ISP throughI whom I connect with broadband (cable) is BlueYonder (Telewest) in the UK.   D As far as I can establish the issue is with HPs inbound mail serversE rejecting mail from certain ISPs (based on IP address range) due to a B blacklist that HP subscribe to (automatically?). The end result isG intermittent blocking of e-mail and it being returned with "error 550 -  relaying denied".   J My ISP claims that it's not their problem - it's the people using them whoE have open mail relays who are the problem. They do plan to eventually J introduce authentication for their SMTP outbound mail servers - which they think should help.  I However, I've found that sending to a person's Compaq (or digital) e-mail H address will usually succeed, even if the hp e-mail address is rejected.  @ It'll presumably all get worse once the e-mail systems have beenK homogenised, but right now this is one small thing to be thankful to Compaq  for...  J I do have a name inside HP's network support group in Boeblingen who seemsL to take this issue seriously, but I'm loath to post it here. I'll pass it on4 to Sue for her to forward internally as appropriate.  A -----------------------------------------------------------------  Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:10:21 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGY Subject: Re: email rejection by HP mail servers (was Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP) 0 Message-ID: <00A22E52.8AD6416F@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <DfSQa.12666$La5.95925347@news-text.cableinet.net>, "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> writes:I >I've been having similar problems for the past few weeks. My ISP through J >whom I connect with broadband (cable) is BlueYonder (Telewest) in the UK. > E >As far as I can establish the issue is with HPs inbound mail servers F >rejecting mail from certain ISPs (based on IP address range) due to aC >blacklist that HP subscribe to (automatically?). The end result is H >intermittent blocking of e-mail and it being returned with "error 550 - >relaying denied". > K >My ISP claims that it's not their problem - it's the people using them who F >have open mail relays who are the problem. They do plan to eventuallyK >introduce authentication for their SMTP outbound mail servers - which they  >think should help.   I So, in otherwords, those considering moving to a broadband service should - also be contemplating possible email suicide.        J >However, I've found that sending to a person's Compaq (or digital) e-mailI >address will usually succeed, even if the hp e-mail address is rejected.  > A >It'll presumably all get worse once the e-mail systems have been L >homogenised, but right now this is one small thing to be thankful to Compaq >for...  > K >I do have a name inside HP's network support group in Boeblingen who seems M >to take this issue seriously, but I'm loath to post it here. I'll pass it on 5 >to Sue for her to forward internally as appropriate.     J For those of us running DECnet phaseV/OSI/plus/name-of-the-week, how aboutJ DECnet email?  I do this now with a particle research lab and it works out quite well.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:54:14 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)Y Subject: Re: email rejection by HP mail servers (was Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP) $ Message-ID: <bf1bjm$3r6$1@online.de>  E In article <DfSQa.12666$La5.95925347@news-text.cableinet.net>, "Colin = Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> writes:    F > As far as I can establish the issue is with HPs inbound mail serversG > rejecting mail from certain ISPs (based on IP address range) due to a D > blacklist that HP subscribe to (automatically?). The end result isI > intermittent blocking of e-mail and it being returned with "error 550 -  > relaying denied".  > L > My ISP claims that it's not their problem - it's the people using them whoG > have open mail relays who are the problem. They do plan to eventually L > introduce authentication for their SMTP outbound mail servers - which they > think should help.  F I'm not sure what the problem is here, exactly.  What IS common is forC volatile IP addresses, i.e. those used by "dial-up" accounts, to be C blacklisted.  Thus, you can't have your own SMTP server deliver the 5 mail.  I can understand this as an anti-spam measure.   I My ISP (1&1, one of the larger ISPs in Germany and I've found them to be  E better than Deutsche Telekom, though my "physical" DSL connection is  F with the latter) has two workarounds: one can use their SMTP relay if I the From: address is something like the standard user@einsundeins.com or  E whatever or if one uses SMTP authentification.  The former is not an  I option for me (and presumably for many others); the latter can't be done   by HP VMS TCPIP.  H I host a domain with http://www.dynaccess.de/ and fortunately THEY offerD an SMTP relay server, which accepts email coming from an IP which isG currently pointed to by a domain they host (or, though I don't use that F option, I think even a subdomain, though this is only available if oneH pays enough to get domain hosting included in the package anyway).  The A SMTP relay server itself has a fixed IP address, and thus is not  E blacklisted.  In the case of spam, the company can track things down  % since they knew who had that IP when.   > I heartily recommend dynaccess.  They are a similar service to> http://www.dyndns.org/ .  They cost a bit more, but prices are= nevertheless very reasonable, and they do offer more services E (dyndns.org only recently started domain hosting, dynaccess.de offers H the above-mentioned SMTP relay and a "heartbeat" feature, which actuallyF encourages DNS updates up to every few seconds and can set the account5 in an "offline" mode if too many expected updates are C absent---otherwise, you might have a problem, your updates would go A away, your IP address would change and your traffic would end up  I somewhere else---, and also many features related to bulk domain hosting   which I don't use).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:56:53 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ' Subject: Re: Getting rid of DECwindows? 3 Message-ID: <3F143255.D2040637@applied-synergy.com>    Christoph Gartmann wrote:  > f > In article <3F3BE090.B7EFD41@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: > >Christoph Gartmann wrote: > >> > >> Hello,  > >>J > >> we have a VAX-cluster here that started life somewhen in 1987. On theP > >> system-disk there is a lot of DECwindows stuff. But none of the VAX clusterQ > >> members starts or uses DECwindows anymore. Thus, I would like to remove this 9 > >> stuff from the disk. Is it safe to do something like ) > >>  DELETE sysdevice:[sys0...]decw*.*;* O > >> ? Or is there some deinstallation procedure? It seems to be version 1.2 of  > >> DECwindows. > >>R > >> System parameters are set up to supress DECWndows. Anything else to consider? > > 9 > >Instead of deleting the files directly, take a look at B > >SYS$UPDATE:DECW$TAILOR.EXE or SYS$UPDATE:DECW$MOTIF_TAILOR.EXE. > @ > Ok, the first one didn't remove much, the latter removed most. >  > What is still there is:  > " > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON] >  > DECW$DEFAULTS.DIR;1  >  > Total of 1 file. > 7 > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.DECW$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM]  >  > DECW$SESSION.UID;1 >  > Total of 1 file. > - > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYS$KEYMAP]  >  > DECW.DIR;1 >  > Total of 1 file. > ) > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSCBI]  >  > DECW$CBI.DIR;1 >  > Total of 1 file. > ) > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]  > D > DECW$DWT_DECNET.EXE;1                   DECW$DWT_FONT_DAEMON.EXE;1 > DECW$DWT_STARTXTDRIVER.EXE;1 >  > Total of 3 files.  > * > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSFONT] >  > DECW.DIR;1 >  > Total of 1 file. > ; > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSFONT.DECW.USER_100DPI]  >  > DECW$FONT_DIRECTORY.DAT;2  >  > Total of 1 file. > : > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSFONT.DECW.USER_75DPI] >  > DECW$FONT_DIRECTORY.DAT;2  >  > Total of 1 file. > 2 > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSHLP.EXAMPLES] > * > DECW.DIR;1          EVE$DECWINDOWS.TPU;1 >  > Total of 2 files.  > ) > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB]  > c > DECW$DWT_.ADA;1     DECW$SECURITY_VMS.EXE;1                 DECW$SERVER_EXTENSION_XTRAP_V54.EXE;1 K > DECW$TRANSPORT_LAT.EXE;1                DECW$UIL.ENV;1      DECW$X_.ADA;1  > LSE$DECWSHR.EXE;1  >  > Total of 7 files.  > ) > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSMGR]  > Q > DECW$AUTOGEN.COM;2  DECW$CHECK_PARAMS.COM;3                 DECW$LOGICALS.COM;3 > > DECW$STARTI18N.COM;2                    DECW$STARTLIBS.COM;3/ > DECW$STARTUP.COM;3  DECW$STARTXTERMINAL.COM;1  >  > Total of 7 files.  > ) > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSMSG]  > b > DECW$DEVICE_GF.COM;1                    DECW$DWTERRDB.DAT;1 DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.TEMPLATE;1 > DECW$XLIBERRDB.DAT;1 >  > Total of 4 files.  > * > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSTEST] >  > DECW$IVP.COM;2 >  > Total of 1 file. > ) > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSUPD]r > F > DECW$COMPARE_VERSIONS.COM;2             DECW$COMPILE_ADA_UNITS.COM;1O > DECW$GET_IMAGE_VERSION.COM;2            DECW$KITBLD.DAT;1   DECW$KITBLD.IDX;1aA > DECW$MOTIF_KITBLD.DAT;2                 DECW$MOTIF_KITBLD.IDX;2!I > DECW$MOTIF_TAILOR.EXE;2                 DECW$MOTIF_TAILOR_CLEANUP.COM;2nW > DECW$OBSOLETE.DAT;1 DECW$OBSOLETE.IDX;1 DECW$TAILOR.EXE;1   DECW$TAILOR_ON.TEMPLATE;1  > DECW$VERSIONS.COM;2? >  > Total of 14 files. >  > Directory DISK1:[SYS0.SYSMGR]y >  > DECW$DXMLIBSHR.EXE;1 >  > Total of 1 file. > * > Grand total of 15 directories, 46 files. >  > Any comments on these? > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann     & I would probably leave the rest alone.  = Definitely keep the .EXE files in SYS$SYSTEM and SYS$LIBRARY.s  G If you run into problems, you can use the files in SYS$UPDATE to tailors files back on.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------o$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:48:14 +0100g* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>0 Subject: Re: How do I determine File using LBA #' Message-ID: <bf17tg$e32$1@lore.csc.com>m   Scott Belviso wrote: > B > When I get a disk error it specifies the LBA # that reported theF > error.  I would like to translate that to the actual file located onF > that spot on the disk so I can further analyze the file.  Is there a3 > way to convert the LBA to an actual file/file id?n  H With appropriate support from HP, there is a WIS article (or however you? do your online searches) that has sample code for that purpose.i  C BACKUP would also be an alternative, you would probably see "forced H error flagged" errors, this does not necessarily mean the data itself isH bad, however the number returned is a relative block number in the file, not the LBN of the disk.  G I believe a backup would be good right now. With excessive problems andi+ errors, BACKUP/PHYSICAL may be your friend.n -- 8? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:58:30 +0100d From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>a0 Subject: Re: How do I determine File using LBA #4 Message-ID: <bf188m$ph4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Scott Belviso wrote: > 	 B > When I get a disk error it specifies the LBA # that reported theF > error.  I would like to translate that to the actual file located onF > that spot on the disk so I can further analyze the file.  Is there a3 > way to convert the LBA to an actual file/file id?e  , Do yourself a *big* favour, and install DFU.  A This is one of the quintillions of useful things that DFU can do.t= It's an essential tool any system manager worth her/his salt.e   Example:  	 $ mcr dfuL  4       Disk and File Utilities for OpenVMS DFU V2.7-A       Freeware version2       Copyright  2000 COMPAQ Computer Corporation   DFU> search dsa0/lbn=5130495, %DFU-I-SEARCH, Start search on DSA0: (DSA0:)  : DSA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXE;1           1117/1134  : %DFU-I-EOF, End of file INDEXF.SYS, Primary headers : 8731. %DFU-S-FND , Files found : 1, Size : 1117/1134    	 Roy Omond2 Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:33:18 GMTl2 From: Scott.J.Belviso@grc.nasa.gov (Scott Belviso), Subject: How do I determine File using LBA #6 Message-ID: <3f141dcf.359048046@newsread.grc.nasa.gov>   	=@ When I get a disk error it specifies the LBA # that reported theD error.  I would like to translate that to the actual file located onD that spot on the disk so I can further analyze the file.  Is there a1 way to convert the LBA to an actual file/file id?-   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 13:59:35 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: Howdy5 Message-ID: <20030715135935.5390.qmail@gacracker.org>   5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway./8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  4 Haven't heard from you in a while, what's happening?         Doc. -- EK OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. K [New PGP Key - Get via finger]        http://deathrow.vistech.net/BOFH/doc/e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 16:14:27 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: Re: Howdy5 Message-ID: <20030715161427.9890.qmail@gacracker.org>n  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.18 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  G On 15 Jul 2003, "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:f6 >NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.9 >No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.>9 >--------------------------------------------------------L   Oops!E    - Sorry about that, used the wrong template. :)T     Doc. --  K OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. K [New PGP Key - Get via finger]        http://deathrow.vistech.net/BOFH/doc/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:38:45 +0100RO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>t4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense0 Message-ID: <bf1056$84j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:a > In article <EymdnW6gaLPYQ5OiXTWJig@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:B >  > K >>That might be significant if the CPUs were the dominant cost component of>) >>large systems, Rob.  But they aren't.  O >  > 8 > 	Sure they are.  Take the IBM high-end offering.  Each4 > 	8-way MCM lists for $375000.  There are 4 of them: > 	in this config, for a total list price of $1.5 million: >   8 I don't often find myself defending IBM but in this case I will.g  9 An MCM module is not just 8 CPU's mounted onto a package.u  = The MCM has 128 MB of cache, memory controllers, interconnectl8 to other MCM modules and I/O bridges ohh and it also has> 8 CPU's on 4 chips, comparing that with something like ItaniumK which only has Cache and none of the other capabilites is rather pointless.m  ? An MCM module is closer to a CELL board than it is to a Itaniumn? procesor do your numbers on that an not by multiplying a single-
 Itanium by 8.    Regardsl Andrew Harrison7    J > http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/IBM/IBMp690es_06302003.pdf > = > 	The largest costing thing there in the system and overall.D > B > 	Now maybe you are getting really cheeky and the wiggle language: > 	is "dominant cost", pointing out memory is also a large; > 	component and if you add up ALL the other compenents CPU  > 	cost isn't dominant?  > F > 	The major thing large system vendors on large systems have control G > 	over is CPU costs/pricing.  So this is a significant issue.  Unless LC > 	you have a different meaning of significant or something else inS > 	mind? >  >  > 9 >>> So Itanium begins to dominate the HPC space in       S@ >>>a year (and no - Opteron clock cranking up won't even bring  ) >>>it close to Deerfield in SpecFp).       >  > L >>Do you even roughly estimate the numbers before spewing such garbage, Rob? >  > . > 	Implying some sort of oversight on my part? >  > M >>Deerfield runs at the same speed as McKinley with half as much cache.  That D >>means that it will generate SPECfp scores in the 1260 - 1270 area, >  > J > 	Right.  I'm selling futures.  I'm thinking 2nd/3rd quarter 2004.  Let'sH > 	be generous and boost Opteron's speed 30% and compare those two then. >  > 	See slide 37: > < > http://www.lanl.gov/orgs/ccn/salishan2003/pdf/golliver.pdf > G > 	Note also, the follow-on Deerfield in 2005.  Problem is, AMD doesn't @ > 	have the resources.  Maybe someday AMD turns a profit.  Maybe > 	not.y > 	i > G >>>By the way, why do IBM, Dell, HP, etc. insist on selling 4-way XeonslB >>>instead of 4-way Opteron's?  It isn't as if Opteron hasn't been >>>out for a while.- >>J >>Earth to Rob:  4-processor Opteron boxes (and the MPUs in them) appearedL >>this month.  IBM announced its 2-processor 1U Opteron boxes last month forM >>shipment this year - which means they'll ship sooner after Opteron's launch.D >>date than IBM's Itanic2 boxes shipped after Itanic2's launch date. >> >  > ? > 	Right.  Where is IBM's 4-processor Opteron?  Doesn't it make B > 	sense for IBM to offer a 4-processor Opteron to compete against@ > 	a 4-processor Xeon?  Not likely.  No money to be made selling/ > 	4-way Opterons.  The CPU is too cheap.  LOL.H > 	 > 				Robe >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:59:27 +0100lO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>d4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense0 Message-ID: <bf11c0$8fu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:Y > In article <3F0ED310.5010302@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:a >  >  >>>0E >>>	[Madison] It is good and fast today, no matter how you splice it.i >> >>O >>See above comment about 'real' applications vs benchmarks.  You gonna try to a3 >>optimize for EPIC every little program you write?  >> >  > H > 	Pick a benchmark, any benchmark.  Madison leads, unless I overlooked.E > 	Good optimizing compilers ensure things run fast.  If significant,iB > 	you always benchmark your application on a target machine.  The@ > 	fact that Madison is leading in most every benchmark categoryC > 	tells me it is a very good performer, therefore a good candidateo6 > 	for any application where performance is an isssue. >   9 Well even if the first assertion is true it rather missese6 the point because the vast majority of Intel processor7 sales are into systems were performance doesn't matter.h  5 Price, available software, size and heat are the keysu7 to 99% of all Intels sales and Madison isn't a solution 4 that plays at all in the <40K system space where all( but a tiny minority of Intels sales are.  6 It isn't about performance its about being good enough at the right price.n  3 2 way Xeons cost 5-7K, 2 way Madisons cost 45K, for-0 tier 1 and 2 applications Madison won't even get, onto a market share pie chart because no one plots less than one degree.i  3 AMD can provide CPU's to OEM's that are faster than 6 Xeons and can be built to ship at the same price point7 as 2 way Xeons. Interesting because even with x86 intel'7 processors there is a big price hike from 2way to 4 waye9 Xeons to Xeon MP's, this isn't true for AMD so their OEMSo6 will end up with a much more linear pricing for CPU's.  7 AMD will also be able to build 64bit desktops something 7 that you cannot do economically or easily with Itanium.   4 So you now have a 64bit product which sits slap bang4 in the space that is currently occupied by Intels 326 bit processors which can be used to build systems that8 are definitely good enoung from a performance standpoint8 have the right price point, the right size the available, software and the right heat characteristics.  4 Plus they support 64bit for the apps like DBMS, JVM,6 Games etc that can benefit from haveing 64bit support.  5 Don't think that this isn't a clear danger to Itaniume3 it is because Intel cannot support two 64bit ISA's.Z   regards  Andrew Harrisonn >  >>>>In fact I get the S >>>>idea that a  present day Itanium is a very big cache module with a CPU burried hQ >>>>somewhere. I wonder what would happen if a Opteron would get that much cache.s >>>> >>> " >>>	It wouldn't run very fast ;-). >> >>N >>Did you get that FACT at one of those Intel NDA sessions?  Could you please > >>quote a source for this FACT?  Inquiring minds want to know. >> >  > ? > 	Spend some time in realworldtech.com.  Read some of Intel's c > 	own bragging.  See slide 38:t > < > http://www.lanl.gov/orgs/ccn/salishan2003/pdf/golliver.pdf > C > 	Getting large on-chip caches to run fast is not an easy thing to= > 	do. >  > > >>>	That's okay.  A nice niche for AMD.  Maybe they sell a fewD >>>	to rabid gamers.  Maybe not.  Maybe someday they get a profit.   >>>	Maybe not. >> >>R >>Uh, Rob, where did Intel make all this money you've been heard to say that they R >>can 'throw' at IA-64 until it's a world beater?  Sorry, I didn't hear you.  Did S >>you whisper 'the desktop'?  Where would Intel be without 'the desktop'?  Care to A >>hazard a guess?O >> >  > & > 	And sorry - I'm missing your point. >  > T >>>>Oh yes, and some time ago you wanted to know which HP rep told me that HP would S >>>>build Opteron systems. That was absolutely not true. Just a few weeks later we [T >>>>could find the specs of this system in the HP web site. No wonder, this time HP T >>>>management is right. If the Opteron is a success and HP has no Opteron systems, ) >>>>HP will loose big market shares......  >>>> >>>> >>> B >>>	You are mixing up Opteron and A64.  A desktop is not a server. >>>.I >>>	Don't worry about Opteron being a business server success.  You can'teA >>>	make money selling Opterons.  The CPU price is too low.  LOL.  >> >>R >>Once again Rob, will you tell me where Intel got all this money you insist they 9 >>have?  Don't whisper, speak up, we all know the answer.j >> >  > F > 	Server parts are much lower volume.  If Intel makes $10,$20,$30 perC > 	CPU selling desktop CPUs and sells 30 million a year, that is a bJ > 	sustainable business model.  If turning their attention to servers theyJ > 	made that amount, they are out of business.  The 2.8 GHz Xeon MP lists A > 	for somewhere near $3000.  The Opteron $700 or so.  Large OEM 1G > 	discount should knock 50% off the list price.  A 4-way 2.8 GHz Xeon xH > 	server from a large OEM would have somewhere around $6000 CPU profit F > 	built-in.  Maybe more, maybe less.  Moving to Opteron, a large OEM I > 	would have maybe $1400 in CPU profit built-in.  It makes little sense fE > 	to change from 4-way Xeons to 4-way Opterons for large OEMs.  The zF > 	financial planners won't let the engineers make that decision.  It 8 > 	makes a lot of sense for no-names, mom and pops, etc.F > 	to sell 4-way Opteron servers.  They certainly aren't getting largeF > 	OEM discounts and have everything to gain by selling the lower cost > 	4-way Opteron server. > < > 	Anticpating a follow-up, check the prices of 2-way Xeons. > B > 	All this makes sense to you, doesn't it?  I sold things before,C > 	I know how much markup is in various product lines, etc.  you do  > 	too.  > 	 > 				Robi >    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 09:08:26 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young),4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense3 Message-ID: <qV8bdYYGnPNn@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <bf1056$84j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:b >> In article <EymdnW6gaLPYQ5OiXTWJig@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >> t >> hL >>>That might be significant if the CPUs were the dominant cost component of* >>>large systems, Rob.  But they aren't.   >>   >>  9 >> 	Sure they are.  Take the IBM high-end offering.  Eachd5 >> 	8-way MCM lists for $375000.  There are 4 of themN; >> 	in this config, for a total list price of $1.5 million:, >> _ > : > I don't often find myself defending IBM but in this case	 > I will.  > ; > An MCM module is not just 8 CPU's mounted onto a package.B > ? > The MCM has 128 MB of cache, memory controllers, interconnect : > to other MCM modules and I/O bridges ohh and it also has@ > 8 CPU's on 4 chips, comparing that with something like ItaniumM > which only has Cache and none of the other capabilites is rather pointless.  > A > An MCM module is closer to a CELL board than it is to a ItaniumiA > procesor do your numbers on that an not by multiplying a singlee > Itanium by 8.p >   B 	Fair enough.  So... picking tpc configs, how do you bust anything@ 	out to compare them?  Where is/are the memory controller costs ? 	hidden within the SuperDome?  When configuring a SuperDome and>D 	adding CPUs, you still end up with a base system cost.  Even thoughC 	the IBM server bundles all these components, to get to 64 CPUs yousB 	would still take $375000 * 8 leaving a mythical 64-way IBM serverD 	quite a bit more expensive.  Yes, it would outperform the SuperDome& 	and 64 CPUs would be "unnecessary".    D 	But yes, you can't break out the "CPU" costs in the IBM server.  No# 	more than you can break these out:u  W http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/RackSaver/RackSaverQuatreX-64ES030708.pdft   					Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:26:31 +0100tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>t4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense0 Message-ID: <bf12uo$92k$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > In article <bf1056$84j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  >>Rob Young wrote: >>b >>>In article <EymdnW6gaLPYQ5OiXTWJig@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >>>o >>>h >>>vM >>>>That might be significant if the CPUs were the dominant cost component of@+ >>>>large systems, Rob.  But they aren't.  e >>>3 >>>39 >>>	Sure they are.  Take the IBM high-end offering.  Eachr5 >>>	8-way MCM lists for $375000.  There are 4 of themv; >>>	in this config, for a total list price of $1.5 million:r >>>? >>: >>I don't often find myself defending IBM but in this case	 >>I will.  >>; >>An MCM module is not just 8 CPU's mounted onto a package.c >>? >>The MCM has 128 MB of cache, memory controllers, interconnect.: >>to other MCM modules and I/O bridges ohh and it also has@ >>8 CPU's on 4 chips, comparing that with something like ItaniumM >>which only has Cache and none of the other capabilites is rather pointless.. >>A >>An MCM module is closer to a CELL board than it is to a Itanium@A >>procesor do your numbers on that an not by multiplying a singleo >>Itanium by 8.  >> >  > D > 	Fair enough.  So... picking tpc configs, how do you bust anythingB > 	out to compare them?  Where is/are the memory controller costs A > 	hidden within the SuperDome?  When configuring a SuperDome andeF > 	adding CPUs, you still end up with a base system cost.  Even thoughE > 	the IBM server bundles all these components, to get to 64 CPUs you D > 	would still take $375000 * 8 leaving a mythical 64-way IBM serverF > 	quite a bit more expensive.  Yes, it would outperform the SuperDome( > 	and 64 CPUs would be "unnecessary".   >     9 The memory controller is on the CELL board as is the cost5$ of the I/O bridges and interconnect.  < Add the cost of the CELL board to the CPUs without including0 the DRAM its the closest you will get to an MCM.  F > 	But yes, you can't break out the "CPU" costs in the IBM server.  No% > 	more than you can break these out:  >   4 Right so by your own admission there was no point to4 your previous posting because you were not comparing like with like.k  5 Arguing that it was fair to use the whole cost of the 7 MCM in comparison with 8x Itanium CPU costs because its.3 too difficult to do a proper analysis is no excuse.r   RegardsS Andrew HarrisoneY > http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/RackSaver/RackSaverQuatreX-64ES030708.pdfe > 
 > 					Rob >    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 09:54:57 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)54 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense3 Message-ID: <PceMZmAv3q$Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>u   In article <bf11c0$8fu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:   > 5 > AMD can provide CPU's to OEM's that are faster thant8 > Xeons and can be built to ship at the same price point9 > as 2 way Xeons. Interesting because even with x86 intele9 > processors there is a big price hike from 2way to 4 wayo; > Xeons to Xeon MP's, this isn't true for AMD so their OEMSn8 > will end up with a much more linear pricing for CPU's. >   = 	Right.  And I carefully inserted that 2-ways are a differentn9 	discussion.  And the mom-and-pops are very excited about 8 	4-way Opterons.  Tier-1 OEMs aren't excited about 4-way 	Opterons as they are making= 	fistfuls of money selling 4-way Xeon.  Someone with a lot ofhA 	time could probably pour through Dell financials and figure thatI? 	out (if it isn't public knowledge).  You can bet that Dell, HP6G 	and other tier-1s are getting much better than a 10% discount on Xeon o 	MP.  9 > AMD will also be able to build 64bit desktops somethinge9 > that you cannot do economically or easily with Itanium.   : 	That wouldn't be correct.  Until the data sheets came out= 	on Deerfield, it was up for grabs.  The 1 GHz Deerfield williC 	burn 62 watts and do about the same numbers as a 1.8 GHz Opteron /h; 	1 GHz McKinley.  (rumor has it A64 does less than Opteron i? 	performance-wise).  Listing for $700+.  You can bet Intel willrF 	perform their tricks and drop price quite a bit over time.  Follow-on+ 	Deerfield due 2nd quarter or so next year.a   > 7 > Don't think that this isn't a clear danger to Itanium.5 > it is because Intel cannot support two 64bit ISA's.  >   > 	Right.  And yes, wrinkles all along the way.  But watch Intel? 	shift strategy and resources to key areas.  AMD is fighting a r< 	multi-prong battle with too few resources.  The Prescott is? 	coming in October, at 3.4 GHz, 800 MHz FSB.  Scaling to 5 GHz,u6 	1024 MHz FSB.  A64?  Nice rabid gamers box I suppose.   				Robd   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 10:06:34 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)C4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense3 Message-ID: <UG5ZCCaZwcLH@eisner.encompasserve.org>m   In article <bf12uo$92k$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote: >> In article <bf1056$84j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:a >> i >>>Rob Young wrote:  >>> c >>>>In article <EymdnW6gaLPYQ5OiXTWJig@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  >>>> >>>> >>>>N >>>>>That might be significant if the CPUs were the dominant cost component of, >>>>>large systems, Rob.  But they aren't.   >>>> >>>>: >>>>	Sure they are.  Take the IBM high-end offering.  Each6 >>>>	8-way MCM lists for $375000.  There are 4 of them< >>>>	in this config, for a total list price of $1.5 million: >>>> >>>3; >>>I don't often find myself defending IBM but in this cased
 >>>I will. >>>k< >>>An MCM module is not just 8 CPU's mounted onto a package. >>>f@ >>>The MCM has 128 MB of cache, memory controllers, interconnect; >>>to other MCM modules and I/O bridges ohh and it also has A >>>8 CPU's on 4 chips, comparing that with something like ItaniumnN >>>which only has Cache and none of the other capabilites is rather pointless. >>> B >>>An MCM module is closer to a CELL board than it is to a ItaniumB >>>procesor do your numbers on that an not by multiplying a single >>>Itanium by 8. >>>e >> s >> sE >> 	Fair enough.  So... picking tpc configs, how do you bust anything C >> 	out to compare them?  Where is/are the memory controller costs  B >> 	hidden within the SuperDome?  When configuring a SuperDome andG >> 	adding CPUs, you still end up with a base system cost.  Even thoughTF >> 	the IBM server bundles all these components, to get to 64 CPUs youE >> 	would still take $375000 * 8 leaving a mythical 64-way IBM server G >> 	quite a bit more expensive.  Yes, it would outperform the SuperDome ) >> 	and 64 CPUs would be "unnecessary".  s >> h >  > ; > The memory controller is on the CELL board as is the costa& > of the I/O bridges and interconnect. > > > Add the cost of the CELL board to the CPUs without including2 > the DRAM its the closest you will get to an MCM. > G >> 	But yes, you can't break out the "CPU" costs in the IBM server.  No & >> 	more than you can break these out: >> - > 6 > Right so by your own admission there was no point to6 > your previous posting because you were not comparing > like with like.u >   7 	No.  My point is Power CPUs cost quite a bit more than-; 	Madison CPUs.  And like prior discussions where individual D 	component costs are hidden or a vendor doesn't publish a particularA 	benchmark, that doesn't matter.  You can argue greatest to leastA? 	and still determine that Power CPUs cost quite a bit more than53 	Madison CPUs.  Here is a mythical example of that:i   	32 processor Power system:D  
 	$1.2 MillionI   	64 processor Other system:s   	$970 thousand  C 	Power system breaks out MCM, Memory and base system.  Other systemoH 	breaks out Processors, Memory, base system.  So your argument would be A 	you can't say that Power CPUs cost more than Other system costs.sA 	I say "fair enough."  But that doesn't mean the Power CPUs don'ta3 	cost more.  You say:  "A-ha!  You can't prove it!"c  
 	Big deal.   				Robn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:09:11 -0700t& From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense/ Message-ID: <vh868q78ftpbcd@corp.supernews.com>e  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  9 > AMD will also be able to build 64bit desktops somethingt9 > that you cannot do economically or easily with Itanium.o  . http://www.hp.com/workstations/itanium/zx2000/   Web price $3298.   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:23:31 -0500e( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Intel advertising1 Message-ID: <03071510233101@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   J I was channel surfing the other night and caught the tail end of an ad for Intel or something like that...l  K The basic plot of the ad was "why Intel was the fastest" and the answer was  "Advertising".  Thud!u  O I do feel Alpha is a by far a better chip, however truth and reality never seemt to meet in a market economy.  H Without advertising, VMS is certainly not headed in the right direction.  9 It more than makes the point.  Now then, is HP listening?f     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 18:08:45 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> Subject: Re: Intel advertising6 Message-ID: <20030715180845.13390.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.n8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote:K >I was channel surfing the other night and caught the tail end of an ad for   >Intel or something like that... >aL >The basic plot of the ad was "why Intel was the fastest" and the answer was >"Advertising".  Thud! > P >I do feel Alpha is a by far a better chip, however truth and reality never seem >to meet in a market economy.a > I >Without advertising, VMS is certainly not headed in the right direction.a >r: >It more than makes the point.  Now then, is HP listening?  J I think/hope so, but they're big and slow.  It takes time to move on these things.d  H Did you watch the Webcast of the 1st of this month?  I lost count of theK number of times I saw or heard OpenVMS mentioned.  I even heard "VMS" once.l  M Things like the webcast will be a big help for people fighting to keep VMS inuI their shop, but the message needs spread a little wider.  I think we needI0 another Renaissance, Windows Zealots be damned.   K Of course, the ideal time to do this would be the end of this year/start ofe% next when the Jaws release comes out.i  & Can you imagine the teaser campaign...  I Lots of surfer-type script kiddies jumping out the pool because there's aM shark in it.  #  "OpenVMS... Deployed in warzones. f  F   Shouldn't you be using an operating system that makes sure your data   isn't a casualty?"     Doc. -- tK OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. K [New PGP Key - Get via finger]        http://deathrow.vistech.net/BOFH/doc/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:46:50 GMTh& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Y Subject: Re: Intel's had Dirty Bombs Anthrax and everything! (Was: Re: HP World: Why Alphe8 Message-ID: <bta8hvckul9tkf2nkt0m639n22o7nstvgq@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 03:10:43 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:     > K >Leaving aside lies and treachery, the rest of the problem is that, despitepJ >two years of neglect that never should have been allowed to happen in theJ >first place (Pfeiffer had clearly wanted to proceed full steam ahead withJ >Alpha, and Capellas clearly did exactly the reverse), even as of June 24,M >2001 Alpha not only retained far more immediate revenue and profit potentialwF >if marketed but far more long-term potential to grab major upper-end,M >high-margin market share for Compaq.  The projections available at that timeuL >indicated this, the subsequent two years' worth of experience with both EV7L >and Itanic support those projections, and the fact that Intel appears to beK >depending 100% on the Alpha team to create a better successor to Itanic in1J >2006-7 pretty clearly proves that Itanic had nowhere promising to go with( >Itanic as of the date of the Alphacide.  I Leaving aside whether you really have access to all the numbers necessary F to make the appropriate calculations, you completely ignore what otherH goals management may have had.  The fact is, they determined they didn'tI want to do Alpha anymore.  Period.  Why is left to them, and possibly the G stockholders, if they are so inclined to care about it.  Otherwise it'snH only gossip.  Econ 101 tells you there's always an opportunity cost thatK also must be added into the equation, and there's just no way that you havem6 access to all the info needed to understand fully why.  H Maybe they did make a big mistake.  We may never know.  So we're left toE proceed from what IS, not what "what could have been."  I still can'tp3 believe we're discussing it over 2 years afterward.I   >d >>@ >> Whatever people have to do to pay the rent is their business. >OK >Not when they break very specific commitments to others in the process, itmL >isn't.  And not when they lie in attempts to avoid being called to task for >such treachery.  J Look, as a customer you have no real claim to find out why any deeper thanI what they're willing to tell you.  It's their business to run as they see J fit.  Once they tell you, you have the option to accept the explanation orH reject it, but in the end you'll have to carry on in some way (includingC completely leaving that vendor behind if that is your desire).  Bute> discussing it for years afterward is really a waste of effort.   > L >Compaq *specifically* encouraged their customers to commit to Alpha for theM >long term by guaranteeing Compaq's own long-term commitment to enhancing theWI >platform.  Breaking those commitments without trying to renegotiate themNI >first with the people to whom they had been made would have been dubiouslI >enough even if Compaq had had compelling reasons to do so; breaking themEL >*without* any such compelling reasons - and then lying to try to cover that >up - is even worse.  G In reality, their decision to leave Alpha has not caused many problems,sK other than those that people have chosen to cause for themselves.  Alpha is K still available, and will be for some time to come, and I can tell you that J I see quite a lot of new orders for OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX on Alpha.  ManyK millions of $USD of orders....  even though the UNIX folks have the most toSI lose in the merger, they're still buying systems.  And I only see a small  portion of the actual sales.  F Sure, maybe we could have many millions $USD more if we'd done this orH that, but it just doesn't matter anymore.  It's done.  Rehashing it over and over is just tiresome.  J Also the transistion to IA64, when that is viable, will be fairly easy for most applications.  K Does this help 100% of the customers.  No.  But I'd bet that 85-95% of themiF will be more than satisified, and the impact to their business will beG favorable.  Most of the customers I deal with are not too worried aboutCB this transition as long as they continue to get systems they need.  J Obviously you fall into the category where it really affects you... thoughE how this has materialized as a real problem for your business I can'tE recall.T   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:16:26 +0100T* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>6 Subject: Intermittent NFS problem VAX/VMS 7.1, UCX 4.2' Message-ID: <bf161q$df7$1@lore.csc.com>   B Bit of an odd one that I'm asking if anyone else has observed this
 behaviour.  C A pair of VAX systems, identical software, that is VMS 7.1, totally A unpatched, UCX 4.2, again no ECO's applied. The story is they aret) perfectly stable, so no reason to change.f  H One system is a development system, standalone, the production system isH a cluster. There are NFS mount points to each other and to UNIX systems.  G So, there is a mount point on a UNIX system, the production mount pointi@ works fine, files can be stored and verified (typed), retrieved," directoried (sp!) etc. no problem.  E The development system, same mount point, when putting files into the8E NFS mounted area, they do not appear when you execute a DIR or a TYPEwC etc. Just can't be seen. The files *can* be seen from the UNIX hostc? though, unfortunately its interfering with the file interchangee> procedure. Mysteriously, about a day later, the files, appear.  G We've tried mounting and disabling the cache (in UCX) but to no effect.nB The ECO notes don't contain any descriptions I can match with thisA behaviour so patching probably won't help. FWIW, we did patch the G development system to UCX ECO 5 (the one experiencing the problem), andeG rebooted, and the problem remains! We've even tried dismounting the NFSd: share and remounting (after file creation), and no change.  A If its a stale cache somewhere, then I don't know how else to trydF flushing it. The only difference I see is the MSCP server is loaded on7 the production system (which doesn't have the problem).p  A Has anyone seen this sort of thing before or have any more ideas?a -- N? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:11:50 GMTo0 From: HARANGOZO CSABA   <spameater@spam.invalid>9 Subject: Re: looking for used hardware in UK, NL, B, D, S05 Message-ID: <WjRQa.479$sI.23994@nasal.pacific.net.au>n  a In comp.sys.dec Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiclothesvax.de> wrote:tJ > I will be doing some travelling in the next few weeks and would like to H > collect some used hardware for use in my hobbyist cluster as I go.  I F > plan to be in Sweden 21--31 July, drive through the Netherlands and I > Belgium on the way to Calais between then and 5 August, and will be in lI > England 5--10 August.  This weekend (19--20) I will be driving between  J > Frankfurt am Main and L?neburg in Germany, and on Sunday 10 August will I > be driving from Calais to Frankfurt am Main, taking me through France, 4 > Belgium and Germany. > D > I'm looking for any ALPHAs except the very early ones which are noB > longer supported under VMS 7.3 (though I WOULD welcome a TadpoleG > ALPHAbook, even though it is no longer supported under 7.3), any SCSIl= > VAXes "VAXstation 3100 or better" as long as they are small1I > (desktop-size).  Also, I'm interested in disk drives of 1 GB or larger )E > for use with these systems, both "internal" disks and SBBs.  Extra 5K > memory would also be interesting.  A DLT drive would be nice.  Terminals eG > and keyboards are always interesting, as are all sorts of cables and c= > mice.  Hubs, repeaters, switches etc would be nice as well.a    : 	On this site there are always some DEC/Compaq/HP machines< 	and parts can be found, listed by private sellers for a few	 	euro-s :5  + 	http://www.marktplaats.nl/hardware/sun.htme  = 	( Don't be put off by that everything is grouped under a Sun3< 	heading. I just looked, there about 128 items, including an) 	Alphaserver 1000A 5/400, among others. )    	Hope this helps...t 						Cheers,   Csaba-  J  -------------------------------------------------------------------------H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auJ  -------------------------------------------------------------------------;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:-  1  Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:48:06 +0200w) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl>gD Subject: Re: newcomer question - mechanism to partition a AVMS box ?6 Message-ID: <3f13e9f6$0$49114$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>  H The answer to all of your questions is YES. And there is even more: you L can dynamically move CPU's from one partition to an other whenever you want.  < And by the way: I don't think your question is a stupid one!   Regards,  	 Bart Zornh  
 sbxjld wrote:-
 > BlankHi,' > a stupid question about VMS on Alpha. L > I would like to segregate the different applications running on a AVMS boxM > in different load groups, but I do not know if and how it is possible to doN > that : how can help me ? > K > Is it possible,  on a big Alpha server, with multiple CPU's, to partition F > the machine,  as one does on MVS the machine logically (LPARs), i.e.I > separating the batch processes from the interactive ones in two logicalWM > machines, and avoiding disturbances. Or is it possible to setup a mechanism K > similar to what is found on some Unix boxes, where a subsystem is able tolL > allocate processes to resources, and i.e. , on a 4way unix box, allocate 2N > cpu's for Oracle exclusive usage , and leave the 2 other cpu's for the rest. > J > I also suppose there are priority mechanisms built into VMS, allowing toK > execute faster some jobs before other, but I have no idea how this works.a >  > Thanks for your help >  > Jean-Louis
 > SAS Belgiumm >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:35:37 +0200 ! From: "sbxjld" <someone@toto.com> @ Subject: newcomer question - mechanism to partition a AVMS box ?/ Message-ID: <bf0ldq$d6n$1@license1.unx.sas.com>    BlankHi,% a stupid question about VMS on Alpha.eJ I would like to segregate the different applications running on a AVMS boxK in different load groups, but I do not know if and how it is possible to don that : how can help me ?  I Is it possible,  on a big Alpha server, with multiple CPU's, to partitionHD the machine,  as one does on MVS the machine logically (LPARs), i.e.G separating the batch processes from the interactive ones in two logicalaK machines, and avoiding disturbances. Or is it possible to setup a mechanismaI similar to what is found on some Unix boxes, where a subsystem is able tooJ allocate processes to resources, and i.e. , on a 4way unix box, allocate 2L cpu's for Oracle exclusive usage , and leave the 2 other cpu's for the rest.  H I also suppose there are priority mechanisms built into VMS, allowing toI execute faster some jobs before other, but I have no idea how this works.n   Thanks for your help  
 Jean-Louis SAS Belgiumh   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 07:10:05 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) D Subject: Re: newcomer question - mechanism to partition a AVMS box ?3 Message-ID: <IkoQxh5nHqOB@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  S In article <bf0ldq$d6n$1@license1.unx.sas.com>, "sbxjld" <someone@toto.com> writes:y  L > I would like to segregate the different applications running on a AVMS boxM > in different load groups, but I do not know if and how it is possible to don > that : how can help me ?  E If you are talking about CPU utilization with your term "load group", @ you can write a custom scheduling module using a system service,# or use the newer built-in controls.o  K > Is it possible,  on a big Alpha server, with multiple CPU's, to partitionrF > the machine,  as one does on MVS the machine logically (LPARs), i.e.I > separating the batch processes from the interactive ones in two logicalsM > machines, and avoiding disturbances. Or is it possible to setup a mechanismeK > similar to what is found on some Unix boxes, where a subsystem is able toeL > allocate processes to resources, and i.e. , on a 4way unix box, allocate 2N > cpu's for Oracle exclusive usage , and leave the 2 other cpu's for the rest.  $ Galaxy does that on larger machines.  J > I also suppose there are priority mechanisms built into VMS, allowing toK > execute faster some jobs before other, but I have no idea how this works.p  F You really need to sit down with a paper copy of the VMS DocumentationF and learn a whole lot more.  Either that or hire a local consultant to) get you started (which might be cheaper).-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 06:01:14 -0700 1 From: "Wolf, Gerald J" <gerald.j.wolf@boeing.com>d  Subject: OpenVMS  NCP quiestion?R Message-ID: <3BFEACE361F5BF429DD1DA593E3A7C090178DB53@xch-nw-28.nw.nos.boeing.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AD1.2C4CE140r Content-Type: text/plain;M 	charset="iso-8859-1"f+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    All, =20vF It is good to be back working on OpenVMS systems again.  I have been =I working on other O/S platforms for about four years. You can really get =  rusty fast.y =20h I have an NCP question =20IF I have one system that can not "set host" to other systems and other = systems to this one. =20 E Here are some show dumps to look at.  I can not get the unreachable =s nodes to a reachable status. =20r Can anyone help me please? =20e ncp>show node sol char  8 Node Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2003 14:05:30   Executor node =3D 21.32 (SOL)e  . Identification =3D DECnet for OpenVMS AXP V7.2   Management version =3D V4.0.0r   Incoming timer =3D 45a   Outgoing timer =3D 60    Incoming Proxy =3D Enabled   Outgoing Proxy =3D Enabled   NSP version =3D V4.1.0   Maximum links =3D 32   Delay factor =3D 80a   Delay weight =3D 5   Inactivity timer =3D 60s   Retransmit factor =3D 10   Routing version =3D V2.0.0   Type =3D nonrouting IV   Routing timer =3D 600n   Broadcast routing timer =3D 180    Maximum address =3D 1023   Maximum circuits =3D 16a   Maximum cost =3D 1022    Maximum hops =3D 30m   Maximum visits =3D 63a   Maximum area =3D 63t   Max broadcast nonrouters =3D 64    Max broadcast routers =3D 32   Maximum path splits =3D 1t   Area maximum cost =3D 1022   Area maximum hops =3D 30   Maximum buffers =3D 100e   Buffer size =3D 576     Nonprivileged user id =3D DECNET  % Nonprivileged password =3D PARCETISTS     Access =3D incoming and outgoing  ( Default access =3D incoming and outgoing   Pipeline quota =3D 4032d   Alias maximum links =3D 32   Path split policy =3D Normal   Maximum Declared Objects =3D 31w   NCP>show node sol   0 Node Volatile Summary as of 14-JUL-2003 14:06:16   Executor node =3D 21.32 (SOL)s   State =3D on  . Identification =3D DECnet for OpenVMS AXP V7.2   NCP>show known nodes  6 Known Node Volatile Summary as of 14-JUL-2003 14:07:06   Executor node =3D 21.32 (SOL)g   State =3D on  . Identification =3D DECnet for OpenVMS AXP V7.2  ) Node State Active Delay Circuit Next nodeo   Links    1.4 (BOST) unreachable   1.26 (JUICE) unreachable   1.201 (FORDPU) unreachable   1.220 (AUBQC) unreachable6   1.223 (AUBQT) unreachabler   1.224 (AUBREC) unreachable   3.11 (70XYZA) unreachablep   9.25 (EMDC) unreachabley   10.82 (ESPN) 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(CAWC01) unreachable   56.100 (OMEGA) unreachable   56.101 (DSV001) unreachabler   56.102 (CACC04) unreachablee   56.105 (DEVOP) unreachable   56.106 (SIMUL) unreachable   56.107 (CONTRL) unreachableo   56.109 (MRD010) unreachabled   56.110 (DSV010) unreachablee   56.111 (DSV011) unreachablee   56.113 (DSV013) unreachableM   56.116 (DSV016) unreachable0   56.117 (DSV017) unreachablea   56.118 (DSV018) unreachableo   56.119 (DSV019) unreachabled   56.120 (DSV020) unreachable    56.121 (DSV021) unreachablee   56.122 (AUBBCS) unreachablen   56.123 (SERVR2) unreachableE   56.124 (SERVR1) unreachabler   56.125 (SERVR3) unreachablet   56.126 (DSV026) unreachablel   56.127 (SERVR4) unreachablen   56.128 (SERVR5) unreachableO   56.129 (DSV029) unreachable    56.130 (DSV030) unreachables   56.133 (DSV033) unreachablea   56.134 (DSV034) unreachable    56.135 (DSV035) unreachableA   56.136 (DSV036) unreachableh   56.138 (DSVXY2) unreachable    56.140 (D68693) 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unreachable    56.175 (BLK301) unreachable    56.176 (D8XY1A) unreachable'   56.177 (G6XY1A) unreachable    56.178 (G6XY2A) unreachablem   56.179 (G6XY3A) unreachable    56.180 (AUBLO2) unreachableO   56.181 (G7XY2A) unreachable    56.182 (C5XY1A) unreachableh   56.183 (H5XY1A) unreachable    56.184 (H5XY2A) unreachable    56.185 (H5XY3A) unreachableh   56.186 (H4XY1A) unreachabled   56.187 (H4XY2A) unreachableh   56.188 (H4XY3A) unreachables   56.189 (H3XY1A) unreachableo   56.190 (H3XY2A) unreachablet   56.191 (H3XY3A) unreachableh   56.192 (H3XY4A) unreachableo   56.193 (B3XY1A) unreachable    56.194 (B3XY2A) unreachable    56.195 (C5XY2A) unreachablee   56.196 (C5XY3A) unreachableo   56.197 (C5XY4A) unreachabled   56.198 (A6XY2A) unreachable    56.199 (A6XY1A) unreachableh   56.200 (CAWC02) unreachableh   56.201 (CANC03) unreachableU   56.202 (CANC02) unreachable0   56.203 (CDEC01) unreachable    56.204 (CASH01) unreachablex   56.205 (CANC04) unreachableo   56.206 (CAUB02) unreachablew   56.207 (AUBQSS) unreachablet   56.208 (AUBQT3) unreachableC   56.211 (CASM01) unreachableo   56.212 (CASM02) unreachablee   56.213 (CAGN03) unreachables   56.215 (CAGN05) unreachablee   56.216 (CAGN06) unreachabled   56.217 (CAGN07) unreachable-   56.218 (CAGN08) unreachable1   56.227 (FLEA) unreachabler   56.228 (FLY) unreachable   56.229 (CASM09) unreachableo   56.230 (MHSCTB) unreachable:   56.234 (STALAG) unreachablek   56.235 (GULAG) unreachable   56.237 (NICKEL) unreachable    56.238 (BRAGEN) unreachable<   56.239 (HULAGU) unreachablec   56.240 (BATU) unreachablen   56.242 (SPB2) unreachableN   56.243 (AUBWD) unreachable   56.244 (WHOOPS) unreachable    56.247 (FOGHRN) unreachable@   56.250 (MHSCA) unreachable   56.251 (MHSCM) unreachable   56.252 (MHSCR) unreachable   56.253 (MHSCC) unreachable   56.254 (MHSCE) unreachable   56.255 (MHSCV) unreachable   56.256 (MHSCG) unreachable   56.257 (MHSCK) unreachable   56.258 (MHSCS) unreachable   56.259 (MHSCI) unreachable   56.260 (MHSCN) unreachable   56.261 (DSVMH2) unreachableo   56.262 (DSVMH3) unreachabler   56.265 (SPB1) unreachablei   56.266 (DSVMH1) unreachablet   56.267 (PIFCEL) unreachableM   56.268 (TOPPI) unreachable   56.269 (PIWEST) unreachable>   56.273 (SBAY1) unreachable   56.274 (SBAY2) unreachable   56.275 (SBAY3) unreachable   56.276 (SBAY4) unreachable   56.277 (SBAY5) unreachable   56.278 (SBAY6) unreachable   56.279 (SBAY7) unreachable   56.280 (SBAY8) unreachable   56.281 (SBAY9) unreachable   56.282 (SBAY10) unreachableo   56.283 (SBAY11) unreachablet   56.284 (SBAY12) unreachablee   56.286 (SBAY13) unreachableg   56.288 (E8XY2A) unreachable>   56.289 (G2XY1A) unreachable.   56.290 (MMQ3B) unreachable   56.291 (MM70B) unreachable   56.292 (MMQ3A) unreachable   56.293 (MMQ2A) unreachable   56.294 (MMQ5A) unreachable   56.295 (MM70A) unreachable   56.296 (G2XY2A) unreachablen   56.297 (E4XY3A) unreachableE   56.298 (B2XY1A) unreachableu   56.299 (B2XY2A) unreachableg   56.300 (C6XY1A) unreachablei   56.301 (C6XY2A) unreachabley   56.302 (C6XY3A) unreachablei   56.303 (C6XY4A) unreachablei   56.304 (D2XY1A) unreachablee   56.305 (D2XY2A) unreachablec   56.306 (B5XY3A) unreachablec   56.307 (G4XY1A) unreachablea   56.308 (G4XY2A) unreachableg   56.309 (G4XY3A) unreachable    56.310 (G4XY4A) unreachableP   56.311 (G5XY1A) unreachablei   56.312 (G5XY2A) unreachablea   56.313 (H6XY1A) unreachable    56.314 (H6XY2A) unreachablee   56.315 (E8XY1A) unreachabley   56.316 (H7XY1A) unreachable    56.317 (E2XY1A) unreachablet   56.318 (F2XY1A) unreachablei   56.319 (F2XY2A) unreachablet   56.320 (F5XY1A) unreachable    56.321 (F5XY2A) unreachable    56.322 (F5XY3A) unreachablec   56.323 (E9XY3A) unreachableo   56.324 (E3XY1A) unreachable    56.325 (E3XY2A) unreachablex   56.326 (E3XY3A) unreachablei   56.327 (E3XY4A) unreachablel   56.328 (E3XY5A) unreachable/   56.329 (E3XY6A) unreachablee   56.330 (E6XY1A) unreachable-   56.331 (E6XY2A) unreachable    56.332 (E6XY3A) unreachablem   56.333 (E7XY2A) unreachableb   56.334 (G3XY1A) unreachable:   56.335 (G3XY2A) unreachable    56.336 (G3XY3A) unreachabler   56.337 (G3XY4A) unreachablec   56.338 (G3XY5A) unreachables   56.339 (D7XY2A) unreachableC   56.340 (C3XY1A) unreachableN   56.341 (C3XY2A) unreachableo   56.342 (C3XY3A) unreachable    56.343 (C3XY4A) unreachable    56.344 (C3XY5A) unreachablee   56.345 (B3XY3A) unreachablee   56.346 (G5XY3A) unreachablee   56.347 (G4XY5A) unreachablee   56.348 (E3XY7A) unreachable    56.349 (C1XY1A) unreachable    56.350 (C1XY2A) unreachablet   56.351 (C4XY1A) unreachable    56.352 (C4XY2A) unreachablen   56.353 (C4XY3A) unreachableR   56.354 (C4XY4A) unreachable    56.355 (C4XY5A) unreachabled   56.356 (70XYBA) unreachables   56.357 (1BXY1A) unreachabley   56.358 (1BXY2A) unreachablee   56.359 (C2XY1A) unreachables   56.360 (C2XY2A) unreachablem   56.361 (D4XY1A) unreachablen   56.362 (D4XY2A) unreachabler   56.363 (D4XY3A) unreachablei   56.364 (D4XY4A) unreachablei   56.365 (D4XY5A) unreachable    56.366 (D5XY1A) unreachableh   56.367 (D5XY2A) unreachablet   56.368 (D7XY3A) unreachableo   56.369 (Q3XY1A) unreachablel   56.370 (Q3XY2A) unreachableh   56.371 (Q3XY3A) unreachableo   56.372 (Q3XY4A) unreachable    56.373 (E4XY1A) unreachable    56.374 (E4XY2A) unreachable    56.375 (F3XY1A) unreachablea   56.376 (F3XY2A) unreachable    56.377 (B4XY1A) unreachable    56.378 (B4XY2A) unreachableo   56.379 (B4XY3A) unreachableh   56.380 (Q2XY1A) unreachablen   56.381 (Q2XY2A) unreachableg   56.382 (Q2XY3A) unreachablew   56.383 (Q2XY4A) unreachable    56.384 (F4XY1A) unreachablee   56.385 (F4XY2A) unreachabled   56.386 (E5XY1A) unreachable    56.387 (E5XY2A) unreachable    56.388 (H2XY1A) unreachablet   56.389 (H2XY2A) unreachablet   56.390 (2AXY1A) unreachablet   56.391 (2AXY2A) unreachablet   56.392 (2BXY1A) unreachablet   56.393 (2BXY2A) unreachablea   56.394 (F2XY3A) unreachablel   56.395 (F7XY2A) unreachables   56.396 (F8XY2A) unreachablen   56.397 (1CXY1A) unreachableH   56.398 (1CXY2A) unreachable2   56.399 (1FXY1A) unreachablem   56.400 (1FXY2A) unreachable    56.401 (A7XY1A) unreachable-   56.402 (38XY1A) unreachable-   56.403 (38XY2A) unreachablev   56.404 (38XY3A) unreachable:   56.405 (38XY4A) unreachablek   56.406 (XYTST1) unreachablew   56.407 (XYTST2) unreachable    56.408 (XYTST3) unreachableu   56.409 (XYTST4) unreachables   56.410 (XYTST5) unreachable.   56.411 (XYTST6) unreachablei   56.412 (XYTST7) unreachable    56.413 (XYTST8) unreachablet   56.414 (38XY5A) unreachableU   56.415 (Q2XY5A) unreachablei   56.416 (Q2XY6A) unreachablea   56.417 (Q2XY7A) unreachable>   56.418 (Q2XY8A) unreachableY   56.419 (Q2XY9A) unreachablel   56.420 (Q2XYAA) unreachable    56.421 (D2XY3A) unreachable>   56.422 (38XY6A) unreachableh   56.423 (38XY7A) unreachableo   56.427 (SOEDB1) unreachable    56.429 (ADC01) unreachable   56.431 (GENGIS) unreachablek   56.434 (BAYBT1) unreachablea   56.435 (BAYBT2) unreachable7   56.436 (ATILLA) unreachable>   56.437 (NAMEME) unreachables   56.440 (SPEEDY) unreachable    56.443 (SYLVES) unreachablee   56.444 (TAMAR) unreachable   56.446 (ZILLAH) unreachableC   56.448 (NOBEL) unreachable   56.449 (LOONEY) unreachable>   56.451 (CASTLE) unreachablee   56.457 (WENDY) unreachable   56.459 (LEAH) unreachable    56.462 (ANN) unreachable   56.465 (ODESSA) unreachablem   56.474 (VICKY) unreachable   56.476 (PEGGY) unreachable   56.479 (RAY) unreachable   56.486 (BARB) unreachables   56.490 (WHITE) unreachable   56.492 (ISAAC) unreachable   56.495 (POLCAT) unreachableo   56.500 (SPB3) unreachableb   56.501 (SPB4) unreachablea   56.502 (SPB5) unreachable    56.503 (SPB6) unreachablen   56.508 (MSKRAT) unreachablea   56.509 (BADGER) unreachablee   56.513 (HEMI) unreachableo   56.514 (GIMMEL) unreachablet   56.515 (WEMYSS) unreachableu   56.516 (MO) unreachabled   56.517 (BOB) unreachable   56.518 (REBEL) unreachable   56.519 (CAUSE) unreachable   56.523 (WOUT) unreachablet   56.532 (PLANCK) unreachable    56.535 (SPB8) unreachableg   56.536 (SPB7) unreachable    56.537 (CB1) unreachable   56.538 (CB2) unreachable   56.539 (CB3) unreachable   56.540 (VANDAL) unreachable    56.541 (ZIPS) unreachabley   56.542 (MUDHEN) unreachabled   56.545 (CAJUNS) unreachableb   56.546 (PIRATE) unreachable    56.547 (FACENG) unreachablet   56.551 (FACNCD) unreachable    56.553 (ATTILA) unreachablel   56.554 (XPRESO) unreachablee   56.555 (FOX) unreachable   56.557 (MAPLE) unreachable   56.559 (CEDAR) unreachable   56.566 (SONOMA) unreachableh   56.571 (OAK) unreachable   56.580 (AUBSM) unreachable   56.593 (KOUGAR) unreachablee   56.623 (SBAY38) unreachablee   56.624 (SBAY31) unreachablee   56.626 (SBAY40) unreachablea   56.628 (SBAY30) unreachablei   56.629 (SBAY34) unreachable    56.630 (SBAY41) unreachabler   56.631 (SBAY39) unreachablet   56.633 (SBAY28) unreachablet   56.634 (SBAY26) unreachablet   56.635 (KAUAI) unreachable   56.636 (SBAY21) unreachable    56.638 (SBAY37) unreachable    56.639 (SBAY15) unreachableh   56.649 (SBAY27) unreachablet   56.656 (OAHU) unreachable    56.658 (SBAY32) unreachable7   56.660 (SBAY36) unreachablea   56.662 (SBAY24) unreachablet   56.664 (SBAY42) unreachable    56.665 (SBAY16) unreachable.   56.666 (SBAY17) unreachabley   56.667 (SBAY23) unreachables   56.669 (SBAY29) unreachables   56.673 (SBAY18) unreachablea   56.677 (SBAY25) unreachableo   56.678 (SBAY33) unreachable-   56.685 (SBAY19) unreachableB   56.686 (SBAY22) unreachable-   56.688 (SBAY35) unreachable    56.713 (SBAY20) unreachablet   56.722 (PRALIX) unreachablea   56.735 (SBAY14) unreachable:   56.741 (MAUI) unreachablee   56.765 (ADRIC) unreachable   56.840 (A3XY1A) unreachableH   56.841 (A3XY2A) unreachable:   56.842 (A3XY3A) unreachableb   56.843 (A3XY4A) unreachable    56.844 (A4XY1A) unreachablel   56.845 (A4XY2A) unreachablet   56.846 (A4XY3A) unreachablea   56.847 (A5XY1A) unreachable.   56.848 (A5XY2A) unreachableg   56.849 (A5XY3A) unreachable-   56.920 (Q4XY1B) unreachable,   56.951 (C65812) unreachabler   56.952 (C74597) unreachabler   56.953 (C51290) unreachablei   56.954 (C63640) unreachable@   56.955 (C49746) unreachable    56.956 (C54150) unreachable    56.957 (K95614) unreachabled   56.958 (K93925) unreachableh   56.959 (C78861) unreachable    56.960 (C78853) unreachables   56.962 (C86615) unreachablei   56.990 (C89058) unreachableh   56.1010 (ALASKA) unreachable   56.1011 (BOSTON) unreachable   56.1012 (OHIO) unreachable   56.1014 (MAINE) unreachablei   56.1015 (UTAH) unreachable   56.1019 (IOWA) unreachable   56.1022 (CAUB03) unreachable   61.3 (BCSAIC) unreachable    61.10 (BOGOTA) unreachable   61.11 (ULTIM8) unreachable   61.401 (ALMOND) unreachable-   61.438 (YEN) unreachable   61.459 (CDVAX) unreachable   61.570 (BADUSR) unreachable-   0 (TEST) EWA-0   NCP>   =20u Warmest Regards,=20r   Gerald(Gerry) Wolf=200  Systems Administrator,=20*  HP e3000 MPE/iX & HP UX  Prod. Systems=20-  SMARTS Alpha OpenVMS   Dev / Prod Systems=20e%  desk ph: (253)931-4306; M/S 5A-10=20-J  cell ph: (253)653-7178 Reception is poor or unavailable at home office. =      ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AD1.2C4CE140s Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"a+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">    @ <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY>. <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT=20- face=3D"Courier New">All,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> . <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT=20/ face=3D"Courier New"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>mH <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT face=3D"Courier New">It is =
 good to be=20sE back working on OpenVMS systems again.&nbsp; I have been working on =e other O/S=20; platforms for about four years. You can really get rusty=20l fast.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> . <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT=20/ face=3D"Courier New"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>WI <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT face=3D"Courier New">I have = 	 an NCP=20t question</FONT></SPAN></DIV>. <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT=20/ face=3D"Courier New"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>iI <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT face=3D"Courier New">I have =M
 one system=20nE that can not "set host" to other systems and other systems to this=20  one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>. <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT=20/ face=3D"Courier New"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>sG <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Here =/ are some show=20B dumps to look at.&nbsp; I can not get the unreachable nodes to a = reachable=20 status.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>j. <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT=20/ face=3D"Courier New"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>DF <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Can = anyone help me=20  please?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>>. <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT=20/ face=3D"Courier New"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>t& <DIV><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003>. <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=208 class=3D903380221-14072003>ncp&gt;</SPAN>show node sol = char</FONT></FONT></P>+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P> + <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>oE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Node Volatile Characteristics as of =o 14-JUL-2003=20 14:05:30</FONT></P>-+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>TH <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Executor node =3D 21.32 (SOL)</FONT></P>+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>aG <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Identification =3D DECnet for OpenVMS =e AXP=20 V7.2</FONT></P>AH <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Management version =3D V4.0.0</FONT></P>@ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Incoming timer =3D 45</FONT></P>@ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Outgoing timer =3D 60</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Incoming Proxy =3D Enabled</FONT></P>cE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Outgoing Proxy =3D Enabled</FONT></P>aA <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>NSP version =3D V4.1.0</FONT></P>o? <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum links =3D 32</FONT></P>s> <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Delay factor =3D 80</FONT></P>= <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Delay weight =3D 5</FONT></P>sB <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Inactivity timer =3D 60</FONT></P>C <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Retransmit factor =3D 10</FONT></P>hE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Routing version =3D V2.0.0</FONT></P>lA <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Type =3D nonrouting IV</FONT></P>t@ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Routing timer =3D 600</FONT></P>= <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Broadcast routing timer =3D =r 180</FONT></P>C <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum address =3D 1023</FONT></P>sB <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum circuits =3D 16</FONT></P>@ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum cost =3D 1022</FONT></P>> <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum hops =3D 30</FONT></P>@ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum visits =3D 63</FONT></P>> <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum area =3D 63</FONT></P>> <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Max broadcast nonrouters =3D =
 64</FONT></P> G <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Max broadcast routers =3D 32</FONT></P>cD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum path splits =3D 1</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Area maximum cost =3D 1022</FONT></P>eC <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Area maximum hops =3D 30</FONT></P>aB <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum buffers =3D 100</FONT></P>> <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Buffer size =3D 576</FONT></P>; <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Nonprivileged user id =3D =d DECNET</FONT></P> < <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Nonprivileged password =3D = PARCETISTS</FONT></P>t9 <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Access =3D incoming and =  outgoing</FONT></P>hA <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Default access =3D incoming and =  outgoing</FONT></P>hB <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Pipeline quota =3D 4032</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Alias maximum links =3D 32</FONT></P>nG <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Path split policy =3D Normal</FONT></P>t> <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Maximum Declared Objects =3D =
 31</FONT></P>g+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>f; <P><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3Dr_ansi>NCP&gt;</FONT><FONT =  face=3Dr_ansi>show node=20 sol</FONT></FONT></P>o+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>i+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>eJ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Node Volatile Summary as of 14-JUL-2003=20 14:06:16</FONT></P>i+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>eH <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Executor node =3D 21.32 (SOL)</FONT></P>+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P> 7 <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>State =3D on</FONT></P>aG <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Identification =3D DECnet for OpenVMS =o AXP=20 V7.2</FONT></P>w9 <P><SPAN class=3D903380221-14072003><FONT face=3Dr_ansi =i size=3D2>NCP&gt;</FONT><FONT=20s. face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>show known node<SPAN=20. class=3D903380221-14072003>s</SPAN></FONT></P>' <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2><SPAN =0/ class=3D903380221-14072003></SPAN>Known Node=20 6 Volatile Summary as of 14-JUL-2003 14:07:06</FONT></P>+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P> H <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Executor node =3D 21.32 (SOL)</FONT></P>+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>U7 <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>State =3D on</FONT></P>eG <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Identification =3D DECnet for OpenVMS =y AXP=20 V7.2</FONT></P>d+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>uF <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Node State Active Delay Circuit Next = node</FONT></P>e0 <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>Links</FONT></P>+ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2></FONT></P>,A <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>1.4 (BOST) unreachable</FONT></P>eC <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>1.26 (JUICE) unreachable</FONT></P> E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>1.201 (FORDPU) unreachable</FONT></P>TD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>1.220 (AUBQC) unreachable</FONT></P>D <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>1.223 (AUBQT) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>1.224 (AUBREC) unreachable</FONT></P>tD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>3.11 (70XYZA) unreachable</FONT></P>B <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>9.25 (EMDC) unreachable</FONT></P>C <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>10.82 (ESPN) unreachable</FONT></P>tC <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>11.26 (WVXR) unreachable</FONT></P>aC <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>21.33 (LUNA) unreachable</FONT></P>eC <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>21.48 (MARS) unreachable</FONT></P>hD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>21.49 (VENUS) unreachable</FONT></P>B <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>21.50 (PSI) unreachable</FONT></P>D <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>21.96 (MONET) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>21.201 (HOMER) unreachable</FONT></P>sD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>21.202 (BART) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>21.208 (MARGE) unreachable</FONT></P>SB <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>24.31 (BSD) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>25.703 (BETTY) unreachable</FONT></P>eC <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>28.9 (EMDC4) unreachable</FONT></P>eD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>28.225 (GUYS) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>28.610 (ZASTOR) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>28.721 (NYSSA) unreachable</FONT></P>2E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>31.52 (PUTTER) unreachable</FONT></P> E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>44.11 (PEBLES) unreachable</FONT></P>uC <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>44.14 (ORCA) unreachable</FONT></P>mD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>44.74 (MELON) unreachable</FONT></P>D <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>50.470 (ADA3) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>51.11 (GARLIC) unreachable</FONT></P>eF <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>52.255 (ICCVMS) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>52.256 (SULFUR) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>52.257 (KETONE) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>52.277 (CLIFF) unreachable</FONT></P> C <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>52.280 (RED) unreachable</FONT></P> F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>52.502 (SIDRAT) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>52.503 (ZARBI) unreachable</FONT></P>eE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>52.504 (BURNS) unreachable</FONT></P>dE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>52.505 (KRAAL) unreachable</FONT></P>HC <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>53.470 (ENT) unreachable</FONT></P>fF <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>54.290 (ICS01V) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>54.291 (ICS02V) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>54.302 (ICS01D) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>54.303 (ICS02D) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>55.35 (SWEDEN) unreachable</FONT></P>-F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>55.100 (FREDRC) unreachable</FONT></P>D <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.0 (A23456) unreachable</FONT></P>B <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.2 (ZETA) unreachable</FONT></P>@ <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.3 (NU) unreachable</FONT></P>C <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.4 (THETA) unreachable</FONT></P>rB <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.5 (IOTA) unreachable</FONT></P>C <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.6 (KAPPA) unreachable</FONT></P>9E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.14 (OMICRN) unreachable</FONT></P>YB <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.16 (TAU) unreachable</FONT></P>D <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.23 (CURIE) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.25 (TOLTEC) unreachable</FONT></P>dE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.26 (MICMAC) unreachable</FONT></P>lD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.27 (MODOC) unreachable</FONT></P>D <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.33 (ROCKY) unreachable</FONT></P>D <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.34 (RAMBO) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.35 (STLONE) unreachable</FONT></P>eD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.42 (MCVAX) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.57 (THEANY) unreachable</FONT></P> C <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.60 (DUNE) unreachable</FONT></P>iE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.88 (WALEYE) unreachable</FONT></P> E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.89 (CARIBE) unreachable</FONT></P>aC <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.90 (PIKE) unreachable</FONT></P>sE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.91 (PIRANA) unreachable</FONT></P>tD <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.92 (SHARK) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.93 (BRCUDA) unreachable</FONT></P>LE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.94 (SALMON) unreachable</FONT></P> D <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.95 (TROUT) unreachable</FONT></P>C <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.96 (BASS) unreachable</FONT></P>sE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.97 (BLOFSH) unreachable</FONT></P>tE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.98 (MARLIN) unreachable</FONT></P>cE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.99 (CAWC01) unreachable</FONT></P>oE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.100 (OMEGA) unreachable</FONT></P>oF <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.101 (DSV001) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.102 (CACC04) unreachable</FONT></P>E <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.105 (DEVOP) unreachable</FONT></P>hE <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.106 (SIMUL) unreachable</FONT></P>aF <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.107 (CONTRL) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.109 (MRD010) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.110 (DSV010) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.111 (DSV011) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.113 (DSV013) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.116 (DSV016) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.117 (DSV017) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.118 (DSV018) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.119 (DSV019) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.120 (DSV020) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.121 (DSV021) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.122 (AUBBCS) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.123 (SERVR2) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.124 (SERVR1) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.125 (SERVR3) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.126 (DSV026) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.127 (SERVR4) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.128 (SERVR5) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.129 (DSV029) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.130 (DSV030) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.133 (DSV033) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.134 (DSV034) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.135 (DSV035) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.136 (DSV036) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.138 (DSVXY2) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.140 (D68693) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.141 (D68698) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.142 (70XY0A) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.143 (70XY1A) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.144 (70XY2A) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.145 (70XY3A) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.146 (70XY4A) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.147 (70XY5A) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.148 (70XY6A) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.149 (70XY7A) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT face=3Dr_ansi size=3D2>56.150 (70XY8A) unreachable</FONT></P>F <P><FONT 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Systems =  ? <BR>&nbsp;SMARTS Alpha OpenVMS&nbsp;&nbsp; Dev / Prod Systems =O <BR>&nbsp;desk ph:=20== (253)931-4306; M/S 5A-10 <BR>&nbsp;cell ph:&nbsp;(253<SPAN=20O9 class=3D688234918-18062003>)</SPAN>653-7178&nbsp;<SPAN=20/F class=3D688234918-18062003>Reception is poor or unavailable at home=20 office.</SPAN></FONT></FONT>=206@ </P></FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>  ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AD1.2C4CE140--f   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 02:14:48 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)a. Subject: Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet)= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0307150114.62c80db0@posting.google.com>n  m "Jean Mertens" <jmertens@skynet.be> wrote in message news:<3f12c6e7$0$271$ba620e4c@reader0.news.skynet.be>.../I > Using SYS$CREMBX, how to connect to a mailbox on another node (OpenVMS)  > (using Fortran preferrably)>L > or using regular OPEN Fortran statement in order to send mail box messages > that are quite long ?> > G > The remote mailbox has been created on remote node (NODEB) also usingP
 > SYS$CREMBX._I > It has a logical name in system table, let's say NODEB_MBX and has beens. > assigned the physical pseudo device MBAxxxx:N > It's size is let's say 3600 bytes and it is able to receive 5 messages (that > is 3600 * 5 bytes totally).E9 > NODEA wants to open that remote mailbox with SYS$CREMBXDM > A proxy on NODEB allows NODEA user (the one that wants to open remotely theW > mail box) to use NODEB::E > to reach NODEB defaults account (the one that has first created theP > mailbox).f > J > Using SYS$CREMBX ( CHANEL , NODEB::NODEB_MBX ) , on NODEA I keep gettingK > "Invalid device" as if NODEA was not able to decode the logical NODEB_MBXz > into MBAxxxx:K > N > The Fortran Open with mail box name NODEB::"NODEB_MBX" ( mail box logical in! > between 2 double quotes) works.iK > I can send short messages (about 80 bytes) but I keep getting mail box is=+ > too small when trying to send 3600 bytes.< > M > The send message is done with regular QIO (not Fortran WRITE) on chanel (or_> > fortran opened unit) assigned to mail box by CREMBX or OPEN. > K > I played around with the OPEN statement (different options such as RECL =n, > different values, ACCESS, CARRIAGECONTROL,L > RECORDTYPE, FORMATED/UNFORMATED, etc ...). I keep getting the mail box too2 > small problem or I get an invalid record length. > H > For info, I did try also the SYS$ASSIGN , but this gives same error as
 > $CREMBX. > I > Also I'm not interested in the Non-transparent methode explained in theOD > DECNET manuals . I tried this and that's too heavy for my purpose. > ? > Help greatly appreciated (code example even more appreciated)P >  > Thanks in advance= > Jean At the "sender"c5         OPEN (UNIT=1,NAME='TASK',ACCESS='SEQUENTIAL',0A      1        FORM='FORMATTED',CARRIAGECONTROL='NONE',TYPE='NEW')6 at the "receiver"c8         OPEN (UNIT=1,NAME='SYS$NET',ACCESS='SEQUENTIAL',A      1        FORM='FORMATTED',CARRIAGECONTROL='NONE',TYPE='OLD')12 Note that this uses the default decnet task object/ this is usually disabled in production systems.> Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:52:13 -0400<  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>. Subject: Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet)4 Message-ID: <1030715033800.410C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ( On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Jean Mertens wrote:  6 > What is surprising is that the following is working: > F > 1) From NodeA $CREMBX mail box NODEA_MBX (logical name) as permanent: > 2) Define proxy on NodeA user A to point to NodeB user B > 3) From NodeB in DCL% > DCL>OPEN/WRITE tmp NodeB::NODEA_MBXf4 > DCL> WRITE tmp "hello there this is remote node B" > DCL> CLOSE tmp > L > NodeA receives in NODEA_MBX the string : hello there this is remote node B > E > The same works with pure Fortran Open and Write if the file name iss3 > NodeB::"NODEA_MBX" with the mail box logical nameO > between to double quotes.1 > - > It must be an undocumented VMS feature ....D  D This is not undocumented.  DCL uses RMS.  RMS supports DECnet remoteC file access (DAP protocol.)  When DCL on NodeB opens a remote file,=B RMS automatically creates a decnet file server process on NodeA toB do the I/O.  RMS on NodeA knows how to read/write local devices as7 well as files, so it can write to the mailbox on NodeA.N  B Fortran and other high-level languages use RMS, so they can do the same thing as DCL.  @ CREMBX, ASSIGN/DEASSGN, QIO(W), etc. operate at the driver level( and thus can only talk to local devices.  ; (Some drivers create virtual devices that implement network(D interfaces.  For example, the BG driver implements the TCP/IP socketB interface.  But this isn't really an exception, since you can onlyA do I/O to a BG device on your local system, not to one on anotherD@ system.  The BG driver handles transporting the data to/from the/ other system transparently to the application.)P  ? It's like the difference between the presentation layer and the>( physical layer in the ISO network model.   > 0 > Thanks anyway. I'll go and try the tas to task   -- > John SantosA Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:19:16 +0100D+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk><. Subject: Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet)8 Message-ID: <4io7hvsmd9js681kqink9m2o2hdk2r6uel@4ax.com>  G On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:07:40 +0200, "Jean Mertens" <jmertens@skynet.be>9 wrote:  H >Using SYS$CREMBX, how to connect to a mailbox on another node (OpenVMS) >(using Fortran preferrably)K >or using regular OPEN Fortran statement in order to send mail box messages_ >that are quite long ? >.. J >I can send short messages (about 80 bytes) but I keep getting mail box is* >too small when trying to send 3600 bytes.  J Can you determine the exact point at which the messages fail ?  200 bytes,@ 2000, 3599 etc ?  It may be you are accidentally tripping over aL parameterised limit somewhere.  I vaguely recall you have to change a sysgenH parameter and reboot if you wish to send network mailbox messages longer! than a certain size, for example./  G I think you have proved the concept if you have successfully sent short K messages, so we can move on from that argument (accepting the fact that theOJ mechanism by which it is working may be the reason why there is a limit on message size).   -- 6 John   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 08:07:21 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)=. Subject: Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet)3 Message-ID: <xjVCvwYGGCOf@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  h In article <3f131279$0$275$ba620e4c@reader1.news.skynet.be>, "Jean Mertens" <jmertens@skynet.be> writes: > Hi,D > J > What is a Decnet Mailbox as opposed to the one created with SYS$CREMBX ?@ > Is this the mailbox to return network information defined with > LIB$ASN_WTH_MBX ?c" > Where to find doc (VMS manual ?) > * > Do you have an example in Fortran or C ?  F    A DECnet mailbox is the DECnet thing which behaves like a socket inC    TCP/IP.  In fact, many UNIX implement DECnet as sockets with the>@    protocol type set to DECnet.  You create it by telling DECnet,    your want one, and then you do I/O to it.  C    Complete discussion, including examples, are found in the DECnet6>    programming manuals.  Generally one only needs the simplestG    (transparent task to task) examples.  Like TCP/IP socket programming=F    things can get really messy i you try to go really deep, apply thew    KISS principle.  G    If you don't have the DECnet programming docs handy, see the FAQ fore    online copies.   E    OBTW, you don't need a "DECnet Programming for Dummies"; like mostPE    VMS manuals the standard DECnet manual set assumes you don't know P    what you're doing.z   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:27:45 GMT=9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>DU Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!>. Message-ID: <lQWQa.50$jb1.17@news.cpqcorp.net>  I I would wait until Christmas, when the first version will escape into the=& wild, and then ask the question again.  5 "Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message(& news:3F13334D.1050707@NelsonUSA.com... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:9 > > "Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in messagei* > > news:3F12F7AD.7030203@NelsonUSA.com... > > : > >>>"Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message) > >>>news:3F0B2ED6.10900@NelsonUSA.com...> > >>H > >>>>Which brings up the big question: What is the lowest cost IA64 box: > >>>>that will run (NOTE: I did *NOT* say "support") VMS? > >>>2 > >>>Fred Kleinsorge wrote:> > >>: > >> > The Itanium-1 Intel Reference platform "white box". > >>C > >> Thank you.   Can anyone tell me of a good source for this box?N >/L > > Used.  They aren't made anymore.  Nor would I expect them to work on VMS inA > > the 2004 timeframe, since we will be targeting only Itanium-2P architectureB > > and forward (so if it breaks... we won't fix it - and the code
 scheduling > > will really suck for I1).a > >FL > > If you want to send me a Dell Madison box, I'm sure we'll make sure that it5 > > works - even though I doubt we will "support" it.a ><D > Given all that, what would you suggest that a developer on a tight
 > budget buy?P >O > Alan >_   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:40:28 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>lU Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!PI Message-ID: <g0XQa.74495$sI91.73963@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>O  A HP should offer a Christmas gift-wrapped version guaranteed to beO= couriered to your home by Dec. 24th, complete with gift-card.     D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message( news:lQWQa.50$jb1.17@news.cpqcorp.net...B > I would wait until Christmas, when the first version will escape into the( > wild, and then ask the question again. >s7 > "Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in messagef( > news:3F13334D.1050707@NelsonUSA.com... > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:; > > > "Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message>, > > > news:3F12F7AD.7030203@NelsonUSA.com... > > >e< > > >>>"Alan Frisbie" <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote in message+ > > >>>news:3F0B2ED6.10900@NelsonUSA.com..._ > > >>F > > >>>>Which brings up the big question: What is the lowest cost IA64 box6< > > >>>>that will run (NOTE: I did *NOT* say "support") VMS? > > >>>6 > > >>>Fred Kleinsorge wrote:> > > >>< > > >> > The Itanium-1 Intel Reference platform "white box". > > >>E > > >> Thank you.   Can anyone tell me of a good source for this box?  > >OB > > > Used.  They aren't made anymore.  Nor would I expect them to work on VMSD > inC > > > the 2004 timeframe, since we will be targeting only Itanium-2n > architectureD > > > and forward (so if it breaks... we won't fix it - and the code > scheduling > > > will really suck for I1).f > > >_D > > > If you want to send me a Dell Madison box, I'm sure we'll make	 sure that= > it7 > > > works - even though I doubt we will "support" it.n > >zF > > Given all that, what would you suggest that a developer on a tight > > budget buy?C > >r > > Alan > >< >1 >P   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:23:58 -0700O( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships   today!!!   t/, Message-ID: <3F1438AE.4070005@NelsonUSA.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  K > I would wait until Christmas, when the first version will escape into theO( > wild, and then ask the question again.  > I have a delightful vision of "it" scampering out the door and@ into the snow-covered hills of Nashua, with scores of developers in hot pursuit.   :-)/   Thanks,  Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 08:23:46 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)bY Subject: OpenVMS Technical Journal Update and call for participation for the Jan 2004 iss<= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0307150723.456bd9c8@posting.google.com>P   Dear Folks,c  A On July 3rd we released the second issue of the OpenVMS TechnicalfF Journal, in the last 12 days (which includes a US holiday) we have had 12,758 views of the journal.4 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html  E This brings the total views this year (2003) to 32,758 as you can seesA there is plenty of interest in OpenVMS and a thirst for technicaln information.  F As always this is only possible because of the great technologists whoC write and review and edit the articles, not to mention an excellent6
 core team.  E The next issue will be out in Jan 2004 if you would like to submit an * article for the Jan 04 issue please visit:2 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/cfp.html  F We will be accepting abstracts until Sept 10 2003, final articles will$ need to be submitted by Nov 7, 2003.  B PLEASE NOTE: The June 2004 issue will be OpenVMS on Itanium only.  > Thank you very much for your help, participation and interest.  
 Sue Skonetskir   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 09:51:46 -0500; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)3; Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in July=3 Message-ID: <8tcN9hVTnr0F@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  I If any one is coming in from out of town (or will be in the DOwners GroveDD area anyway) the day before this conference, I'd be interested in anB informal dinner gathering Wednesday night. [No, I'm not buying forK everybody!] I'm local, but my office is about a mile from the hotel. Due toDH the short lead time, instead of replying here, send email to kaplow_r at encompasserve dot org. Y  E Hope to see a bunch of folks either Wednesday evening, or Thursday...A  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"=& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdfPL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  O  Save Model Rocketry from the HSA!   http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.htmln   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 09:54:03 -0500; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)TI Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day in Chicago - Only 10 days away!c3 Message-ID: <q1OTM2Pw1t6g@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  n In article <P%nOa.80968$x4o.57023@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:A > Is this the date of the annual Chicago summer heat wave??   :-)>  7 Current forcast (subject to change, this IS Chicago...)n  8 .Wednesday night...Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 60s.2 .Thursday...Partly cloudy. Highs in the lower 80s.8 .Thursday night...Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and> thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 60s. Chance of rain 40 percent.  J We did have a major thunderstorm roll through very early this morning, but' it looks calm for the next couple days.>  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"=& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf<L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  O  Save Model Rocketry from the HSA!   http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.htmlO   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:20:29 +0100fO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>nY Subject: Re: OpenVMS, and Itanium2 and Itanium2 6M (was: Re: HP Webcast  thismorning on N(0 Message-ID: <bf0khe$4g4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Nic Clews wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >>Nic Clews wrote: >>+ >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:c >> > E > Um, wasn't talking about the current Superdome, or PA to Itanium ornI > Itanium n. Stuff is subject to NDA so I can't say. Probably my fault ass" > the subject above is misleading. >     7 Pulling the old chip and replacing it with a new one isc4 hardly a earth shatteringly new product feature that would be NDA fodder.  6 Sun's have had it for years, F6800 started with 750Mhz4 CPU module, can be replaced by 900, 1050 or 1200 Mhz= modules by unplugging the old modules and replacing them with_4 new ones. You can also mix speeds as well though not if you have 750s.n  0 Older E4500/6500/10000 Suns also had this module upgrade capability.i   Regards6 Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:45:39 +0100a* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS, and Itanium2 and Itanium2 6M (was: Re: HP Webcast thismorning on Ne ' Message-ID: <bf0f56$6cm$1@lore.csc.com>_  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  > Nic Clews wrote:, > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  C Um, wasn't talking about the current Superdome, or PA to Itanium or<G Itanium n. Stuff is subject to NDA so I can't say. Probably my fault asF  the subject above is misleading.   -- >? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesz nclews at csc dot comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:00:34 +0100c* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfactionT' Message-ID: <bf0g14$6gg$1@lore.csc.com>n   John Smith wrote:  >   = To be philosophical for a moment, I think its all subjective.>  C The buyers of the systems have expectations based on the brand they>D reckon they are getting. One make performs better (less issues) thanG expected, and even the tech support provides an answer, if not perfect,>G yet a second fails in one area, and the respective tech support doesn't > jump into action and provide the right answer after two rings.  @ Same fault. Yet the respective customers come away with entirely= different perceptions of the technical support they received.e -- l? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot com<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:47:21 -0700T* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction62 Message-ID: <b7ydnXG_66JkjomiRTvUpQ@mpowercom.net>  I <Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz> wrote in message news:3f134713.102096046@news...nG > We use those "neato server agents" extensively and I find updates arei > a doddle.3G > We use Insight Manager and there are any number of ways of performing6 > the updates.4 > As for HTTP Backdoors, the Agents are now all SSL.B > You're advising your clients to do without an excellent and free > Server Management tool.< >NI It's a case of horses and barn doors.  The current versons may work fine,/E but the problem was with the NT4 versions.  The design flaws in those/J versions (in particular the No Uninstall features) have cost our customersC real money when it came time to move to Win2000.  Unless there is a>K compelling reason to use the agents we aren't going to recommend it for the<E simple reason that we can't count on them not causing problems in the<G future.  It's a credibility problem.  Will they uninstall smoothly withOL Win2003?  Maybe, but I'm not going to bother to try it.  Microsoft is enough2 of a hassle on its own, why pile up complications?    Jack Peacockf   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:21:34 GMTc- From: "Kelvin Smith" <fcs_smith1111@snet.net><$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release DatesC Message-ID: <O5UQa.10056$W_7.2947400735@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com>s  L Well, at least one reason for the short variable names was so there would beG no confusion between variable names and keywords, an ambiguity that has6J tripped up more than one programmer since variable names got longer. ThereK would also have been space considerations; it's easy to forget now just howYL frightfully expensive RAM was back then ($1 or more per byte, IIRC). Most ofE us were typing on 30cps (or slower) paper terminals, which encouragednJ brevity. And K&K were, as you say, writing a teaching tool, not a language5 that they expected serious programming to be done in.9   -- Kelvin Smith Financial Computer Systems
 Wilton, CT& (remove "1111" from address for email)  = "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote in message<2 news:adotgvse2kj54pl6ftnt7564km78idh43q@4ax.com...H > On 11 Jul 2003 07:34:48 -0500, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org > (Bob Koehler) wrote: >>F > >In article <5vrrgvg3h15mv1te93sjptlgt7eikkph1d@4ax.com>, Randy Park' <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> writes:( > >>J > >> I started with RSTS/E V6A.  All variables in BASIC-PLUS were a single1 > >> letter optionally follwed by a single digit.D > >3C > >   For some strange reason that was the early BASIC standard for6= > >   variable names.  Made 6 character Fortran IV look good.z >DH > BASIC was created at Dartmouth College by Kenemy & Kurtz as a teachingG > aid, hoping it would be easier than other languages to learn.  I once6D > had a copy of their published text book.  The short variable namesF > were probably for simplicity in writing the first BASIC interpreter. >4   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2003 14:38:38 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>f$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates* Message-ID: <bf13le$8pa$1@news1.radix.net>  ; In comp.os.vms Kelvin Smith <fcs_smith1111@snet.net> wrote:cN > Well, at least one reason for the short variable names was so there would beI > no confusion between variable names and keywords, an ambiguity that hassL > tripped up more than one programmer since variable names got longer. ThereM > would also have been space considerations; it's easy to forget now just how1N > frightfully expensive RAM was back then ($1 or more per byte, IIRC). Most of  * iirc, it was "core" back then (late 60's).5 "RAM" wasn't a commonly-used term til the early 70's.<   (still expensive, of course)  I >> BASIC was created at Dartmouth College by Kenemy & Kurtz as a teaching2H >> aid, hoping it would be easier than other languages to learn.  I onceE >> had a copy of their published text book.  The short variable namesYG >> were probably for simplicity in writing the first BASIC interpreter.A >>       -- F= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>c http://dickey.his.comO ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:51:16 GMTD4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>< Subject: Re: Problem with XDM ( tcpip v5.3 on axp/vms 7.3-1)0 Message-ID: <3F1421A9.98EF71F5@blueyonder.co.uk>   user@lngs.infn.it wrote: >  > Hello,E >        I have a Win-2000 PC with the Cygwin X-server working on it.iE > The following command works with any U*x, Linux and VMS with an oldi > version of Multinet: > , >        /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwin -query   myhost  O or debugging or if you have no X security concerns, try adding the -ac switch. 47 If this works, your problem is due to a security issue.i  ' /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwin -ac -query   myhost>     regardsT -- = tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:07:05 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP0 Message-ID: <00A22E28.2D36366D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <2GyOioZc0UMZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: \ >In article <3F1358E9.7798D0CB@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: >>> @ >>> Hm, doesn't HP reject mails based on IP addresses or domains: >>> the's in "black-lists" that HP gets from some 3-part ? >> )H >> As I remember VAXman's explanation, his IP address back-translates toD >> something other than the sending domain. As a result, hp.com's MX >> bounces the mail. ><' >That seems like a defective algorithm.A >nE >I believe a correct algorithm would take the domain name obtained byrF >a reverse DNS lookup and ensure a forward lookup returned the same IP8 >address.  An IP address can have multiple domain names. >(? >I just ran tmesis.com through http://www.dnsreport.com and got4 >( >	0 Failures* >	7 Warnings (none related to reverse DNS)   These two are cute:a  A |WARNING: One or more of your mailservers does not accept mail tor@ |abuse@tmesis.com. Mailservers are expected by RFC2142 to accept |mail to abuse.F |>( |      mail.tmesis.com's abuse response:& |      >>> RCPT TO: <abuse@tmesis.com>. |      <<< 550 5.1.1 No such local user: abuse |< |NB |WARN: One or more of your mailservers does not accept mail in theD |domain literal format (user@[0.0.0.0]). Mailservers are technicallyE |required RFC1123 5.2.17 to accept mail to domain literals for any ofFA |its IP addresses. Not accepting domain literals can make it morelF |difficult to test your mailserver, and can prevent you from receiving< |E-mail from people reporting problems with your mailserver.C |However, it is unlikely that any problems will occur if the domain  |literals are not accepted.O |f= |      mail.tmesis.com's postmaster@[64.253.47.113] response:O0 |      >>> RCPT TO: <postmaster@[64.253.47.113]>2 |      <<< 551 Relay disabled, recipient refused:     A Both of these I have explicitly *disabled* because of SPAMmers!!!9B These RFC really ought to be written with some appreciation of the real world SPAM situation. > --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMT            i5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" T   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 08:16:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP3 Message-ID: <AM4n6eR1NRSo@eisner.encompasserve.org>6  U In article <00A22E28.2D36366D@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:c > C > Both of these I have explicitly *disabled* because of SPAMmers!!!lD > These RFC really ought to be written with some appreciation of the > real world SPAM situation. D  =    The RFCs do silly things like limitting anti-spam mungs offD    from addresses to two well known strings.  While the problem thatC    the RFC is trying to address is that one might actually use someOC    other string as a real address, I for one am in no hurry to mung<B    my addresses with something a spammer can programticaly filter.  .    Plain and simple:  the RFCs aren't perfect.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:37:07 +0000 (UTC)O+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)50 Subject: Re: Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP+ Message-ID: <bf1ajj$rbs$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>/  S In article <00A22E28.2D36366D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:<d >In article <2GyOioZc0UMZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:] >>In article <3F1358E9.7798D0CB@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:< >>> Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:n >>>> =A >>>> Hm, doesn't HP reject mails based on IP addresses or domainss; >>>> the's in "black-lists" that HP gets from some 3-part ?= >>> I >>> As I remember VAXman's explanation, his IP address back-translates tosE >>> something other than the sending domain. As a result, hp.com's MXs >>> bounces the mail.  >>( >>That seems like a defective algorithm. >>F >>I believe a correct algorithm would take the domain name obtained byG >>a reverse DNS lookup and ensure a forward lookup returned the same IP=9 >>address.  An IP address can have multiple domain names.D >>@ >>I just ran tmesis.com through http://www.dnsreport.com and got >>
 >>	0 Failures6+ >>	7 Warnings (none related to reverse DNS)T >c >These two are cute: >6B >|WARNING: One or more of your mailservers does not accept mail toA >|abuse@tmesis.com. Mailservers are expected by RFC2142 to acceptD >|mail to abuse. >|) >|      mail.tmesis.com's abuse response:s' >|      >>> RCPT TO: <abuse@tmesis.com>>/ >|      <<< 550 5.1.1 No such local user: abuseU >| >|C >|WARN: One or more of your mailservers does not accept mail in theeE >|domain literal format (user@[0.0.0.0]). Mailservers are technicallyeF >|required RFC1123 5.2.17 to accept mail to domain literals for any ofB >|its IP addresses. Not accepting domain literals can make it moreG >|difficult to test your mailserver, and can prevent you from receivingn= >|E-mail from people reporting problems with your mailserver.BD >|However, it is unlikely that any problems will occur if the domain >|literals are not accepted. >|> >|      mail.tmesis.com's postmaster@[64.253.47.113] response:1 >|      >>> RCPT TO: <postmaster@[64.253.47.113]>83 >|      <<< 551 Relay disabled, recipient refused: = >> >6B >Both of these I have explicitly *disabled* because of SPAMmers!!!C >These RFC really ought to be written with some appreciation of theD >real world SPAM situation.   C The abuse recommendation was made because of the SPAMMER situation.<. You need to have somewhere to report spammers.> The other address which is MANDATED by the RFCs is postmaster.? Hopefully you haven't also disabled that because Spammers were i sending it spam.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >-- P >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >O   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:42:11 GMTN1 From: "Rene Verhaeghe" <rene.verhaeghe@chello.be>Y, Subject: Re: Serial Connection over Ethernet; Message-ID: <nhVQa.420913$V9.31029790@amsnews02.chello.com>T  L Simple way would be to connect the VMS console to a DesSEVER90M+, with TCPIP@ connection and to set the port to be accessed from the Ethernet.  4 "m68k" <m68k@comcast.net> a crit dans le message de* news:O6CcnaMsR77e046iXTWJhw@comcast.com...H > If you want real cheap you could set up a workstation (Unix, Linux, orI > Windows) attached to the console with a terminal emulation program. YouYC > could then use graphical remote administration software like VNC,5L > PcAnywhere, etc. to control the workstation over IP and thus get access to6 > the VAX console via the terminal emulation software. >9E > You could also do the same thing "text based" using ssh, telnet, or9 rlogin.7G > I did something similar to this once on a non-mission critical VAX. I C > telnet'ed into a cheap Linux box and used an open-source terminal0	 emulationlL > program. This setup was totally free! I used a spare 486, Redhat 6.2 LinuxL > distro, and Minicom (also worked with Kermit) terminal emulation software. >PJ > Of course, these options open you up for some major security threats, so youc! > want to consider those as well!  >e > -- > MARVIN JOHNSON, > "B.Eckstein" <eck@ivu.de> wrote in message) > news:bendqe$79i$1@swifty.westend.com...i, > > Rolona schrub im Jahre 11.07.2003 21:05: > >PJ > > > I need to do some work on a system miles away and need access to the	 > console_K > > > from where I am. I have Wan access to the same room. Anyone know of as@ > > > "cheap" way to rig up the console of a VAX over an IP WAN? > >iH > > DecServer700. Or something like that. There are also loads of single3 > > port servers to find on the net e.g. www.wut.de< > >f > > --L > > B.Eckstein, eck@ivu.de          Cheap, Fast, Good - pick any two of them= > > Die FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchnDL > > Tips und Tricks zum Mozilla & Netscape 6/7: http://www.holgermetzger.de/L > > I want your VAX http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/iwantyou.html > >> >3 >C   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:03:18 +0000 (UTC)aP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)1 Subject: simple questions on generic batch queuesL$ Message-ID: <bf1c4m$3r6$2@online.de>  B I want to set up some fancier batch queues on my hobbyist cluster.  H Can I have generic queue A pointing to, say, specific queues 1, 2, and 3E and generic queue B pointing to just, say, 2 and 3?  (Background: forcF maximum robustness, most generic queues should include a queue on eachE node, but if the batch job is doing something ALPHA-only (like modernND Fortran), then there is no point in running it in a batch queue on a VAX.)   I Can I submit a job to a specific queue, but have it RESTART on a generic TF queue?  (This is poor man's load balancing---submit it on the fastest I node, but let it run on any if it gets restarted after that node fails.  FE Or is there a fancier, better, easier way to do such load balancing?)d  B Soon, I will be looking into recoding all my batch jobs to cleanlyD restart.  :-)  (Since moving to DSL, I constantly run a batch job toD keep the DNS up to date with a dynamic IP address.  This is actuallyG fairly resource-intensive, since it queries the router regularly to getNB the current IP address.  (It's written in DCL and used LYNX.)  TheC router by default sends all incoming stuff to the cluster alias, so/F obviously for reliability this is a good example of a batch job which I should be able to run from any node and automatically restart in case of 8	 failure.)m   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 00:39:58 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)6> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?3 Message-ID: <eR6k8BWIsFM7@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  [ In article <3F12F5C4.10421.A9C00A8@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:V1 > On 14 Jul 2003 at 16:19, Larry Kilgallen wrote:gD >> For V3 or thereabouts I actually looked into the price of bindersD >> that lock into a bench as used for telephone books near a bank of >> phone booths. > ? > Right.  I remember using binders like that, back in the 70's.t > B > These days, you'd install the CD's on a file server that's in a > > locked room, and let everyone access them via the network... >   7 	But in many ways, there is no substitute for a manual.   2 	I can flip through pages, reading quickly.  I canC 	often recall that I remember reading something in a manual "on thel? 	left hand side about 1/4 way in" finding it for review quicklyoE 	and these examples don't work well at all paging down through a PDF $A 	on a CD.  We are all different.  I watch my son pick a book backI? 	up and flip it open and pick up reading where he left off.  MyE? 	daughter screamed her head off at him the other day because hem> 	picked the book up she was reading - she had it opened laying? 	face down - and that caused her to promptly lose the place sheI; 	was at.  I think for many of us there is a location memory6= 	for reading retention.  A sterile CD negates that component.t  > 	I got one more story along these lines of location retention.  = 	We were in AI II in 1988.  There were 4 of us in the course. 0 	We would meet in his office for lectures.  Bob:  % http://www.cs.widener.edu/neveln.html  http://cs.widener.edu/~neveln/  C 	was discussing something, referring to a source.  Withouth turningaE 	around, he reached behind him high on a shelf and grabbed a book and @ 	flipped it right to what he was talking about.  We just turned A 	and looked at each other.  Dicsussing it with him days later, hemH 	didn't recall what he had done nor acknowledged anything extraordinary.  H 	Coincidence?  Perhaps.  Come time for a graded test to be handed back, C 	his desk was piled high.  There was intense concentration, sittingSG 	with shoulders slumped and then "A-ha!" like a magician he would lift YF 	a stack and whip your paper out.  Every now and then he would dazzle  	us.   				Rob    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.388 ************************