1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 16 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 389       Contents: Re: A rant about HP's website. Re: A rant about HP's website. Re: A rant about HP's website. alphaserver 2000 fan cablings? BA35x 	 Re: BA35x  BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: Burning a CD? or?  Re: Burning a CD? or?  Re: Burning a CD? or?  Re: Burning a CD? or?  Re: Burning a CD? or? , but in AUTOGEN and/or SYSMAN in VMS 7.3 VAX?0 Re: but in AUTOGEN and/or SYSMAN in VMS 7.3 VAX? Re: Concerns about buying Alpha  Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2 Re: Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2 Re: Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2 Re: Good code profilers on VMS? + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense 0 Re: looking for used hardware in UK, NL, B, D, S Message to Sue Skonetski MOUNT/SHADOW/NOCOPY  Re: MOUNT/SHADOW/NOCOPY  Re: MOUNT/SHADOW/NOCOPY  Re: OpenVMS  NCP quiestion?  Re: OpenVMS  NCP quiestion? % Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet) % Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet) A Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships * Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction* Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction Pony Express' Re: Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP  Re: RF31 hardware problem  Re: RF31 hardware problem , Re: simple questions on generic batch queues, Re: simple questions on generic batch queues, Re: simple questions on generic batch queues, Re: simple questions on generic batch queues, Re: simple questions on generic batch queues Thanks to the community! Re: Thanks to the community!5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:52:30 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>' Subject: Re: A rant about HP's website. , Message-ID: <3f14449a$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  F the validator is nice but if I spent the time needed to add in all theA unneeded/unsupported html 4.01 standards then the pages would not H be viewable with Netscape 3.03 which doesn't impliment the 4.0 standard.  K Some of this stuff is well and good but just so you know I generate 95%+ of 3 the pages on the OpenVMS site using EDT and typing.   H now WYSIWYG stuff etc. so I don't put in </li> tags or </p> or addin the. 8-10 extra tags that can be in image tags etc.       > J > Most companies do their websites the quick and dirty with some Micro$oftH > software, their wisdom being that if it runs on IE, then we are ok, weK > don't need the rest, it is us who set the standard. Well, I disagree with  > this attitude. >  > Peter Sutter >  > Apropos http://www.hp.com  > = > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.hp.com returns  > 0 > This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional! > J >  Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML	 > parser.  > H > Line 51, column 99: there is no attribute "MARGINHEIGHT" (explain...).? >   ...003366" vlink="#660066" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0"  leftmargin="0" > topma - >                                           ^ H > Line 51, column 115: there is no attribute "MARGINWIDTH" (explain...).> >   ...660066" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0">- >                                           ^ G > Line 51, column 130: there is no attribute "LEFTMARGIN" (explain...). > >   ...eight="0" marginwidth="0" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0">- >                                           ^ F > Line 51, column 144: there is no attribute "TOPMARGIN" (explain...).0 >   ...inwidth="0" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0">- >                                           ^ @ > Line 217, column 58: required attribute "ACTION" not specified
 (explain...). ? >                       <form name="countryForm" method="POST"> ? >                                                             ^ H > Line 217, column 58: document type does not allow element "FORM" here;% > missing one of "TH", "TD" start-tag ? >                       <form name="countryForm" method="POST"> ? >                                                             ^ E > Line 218, column 65: document type does not allow element "TD" here  > (explain...). < >   ...       <td height="30" align="right" valign="middle">< >                                                          ^K > Line 324, column 22: end tag for "TR" which is not finished (explain...).  >                     </tr>  >                         ^ C > Line 384, column 334: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open  > (explain...). / >   ...e-hho&amp;mtxb=B1&amp;mtxl=L1"> </map>'; - >                                           ^ D > Line 387, column 1189: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open > (explain...). / >   ...e-hho&amp;mtxb=B3&amp;mtxl=L2"> </map>'; - >                                           ^ C > Line 397, column 329: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open  > (explain...). / >   ...e-smb&amp;mtxb=B1&amp;mtxl=L1"> </map>'; - >                                           ^ D > Line 400, column 1274: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open > (explain...). / >   ...e-smb&amp;mtxb=B3&amp;mtxl=L2"> </map>'; - >                                           ^ C > Line 411, column 923: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open  > (explain...). / >   ...e-ent&amp;mtxb=B1&amp;mtxl=L3"> </map>'; - >                                           ^ C > Line 414, column 915: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open  > (explain...). / >   ...e-ent&amp;mtxb=B2&amp;mtxl=L3"> </map>'; - >                                           ^ H > Line 700, column 87: document type does not allow element "FORM" here;% > missing one of "TH", "TD" start-tag - >   ...tp://www.hp.com/search/" method="GET"> - >                                           ^ E > Line 703, column 59: document type does not allow element "TD" here  > (explain...). @ >               <td align="right" height="33" bgcolor="#E7E7E7">@ >                                                              ^D > Line 708, column 118: there is no attribute "BORDER" (explain...).L >   ...m/img/hpc60_arrow_submit.gif" border="0" alt="Begin your search"></a>- >                                           ^  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:02:37 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: A rant about HP's website. H Message-ID: <1lXQa.74656$sI91.1681@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  E Time to build your own tool to build w3 and MS compatible pages.  ;-)     7 "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in message & news:3f14449a$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...D > the validator is nice but if I spent the time needed to add in all the C > unneeded/unsupported html 4.01 standards then the pages would not @ > be viewable with Netscape 3.03 which doesn't impliment the 4.0	 standard.  > E > Some of this stuff is well and good but just so you know I generate  95%+ of 5 > the pages on the OpenVMS site using EDT and typing.  > F > now WYSIWYG stuff etc. so I don't put in </li> tags or </p> or addin the 0 > 8-10 extra tags that can be in image tags etc. >  >  >  > > B > > Most companies do their websites the quick and dirty with some	 Micro$oft C > > software, their wisdom being that if it runs on IE, then we are  ok, we? > > don't need the rest, it is us who set the standard. Well, I 
 disagree with  > > this attitude. > >  > > Peter Sutter > >  > > Apropos http://www.hp.com  > > ? > > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.hp.com returns  > > 2 > > This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional! > > D > >  Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML  > > parser.  > > < > > Line 51, column 99: there is no attribute "MARGINHEIGHT"
 (explain...). A > >   ...003366" vlink="#660066" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0"  > leftmargin="0"	 > > topma / > >                                           ^ < > > Line 51, column 115: there is no attribute "MARGINWIDTH"
 (explain...). @ > >   ...660066" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" leftmargin="0" > topmargin="0">/ > >                                           ^ ; > > Line 51, column 130: there is no attribute "LEFTMARGIN" 
 (explain...). @ > >   ...eight="0" marginwidth="0" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0">/ > >                                           ^ : > > Line 51, column 144: there is no attribute "TOPMARGIN"
 (explain...). 2 > >   ...inwidth="0" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0">/ > >                                           ^ B > > Line 217, column 58: required attribute "ACTION" not specified > (explain...). A > >                       <form name="countryForm" method="POST"> A > >                                                             ^ D > > Line 217, column 58: document type does not allow element "FORM" here; ' > > missing one of "TH", "TD" start-tag A > >                       <form name="countryForm" method="POST"> A > >                                                             ^ B > > Line 218, column 65: document type does not allow element "TD" here > > (explain...). > > >   ...       <td height="30" align="right" valign="middle">> > >                                                          ^? > > Line 324, column 22: end tag for "TR" which is not finished 
 (explain...).  > >                     </tr>  > >                         ^ E > > Line 384, column 334: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open  > > (explain...). 1 > >   ...e-hho&amp;mtxb=B1&amp;mtxl=L1"> </map>'; / > >                                           ^ F > > Line 387, column 1189: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open > > (explain...). 1 > >   ...e-hho&amp;mtxb=B3&amp;mtxl=L2"> </map>'; / > >                                           ^ E > > Line 397, column 329: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open  > > (explain...). 1 > >   ...e-smb&amp;mtxb=B1&amp;mtxl=L1"> </map>'; / > >                                           ^ F > > Line 400, column 1274: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open > > (explain...). 1 > >   ...e-smb&amp;mtxb=B3&amp;mtxl=L2"> </map>'; / > >                                           ^ E > > Line 411, column 923: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open  > > (explain...). 1 > >   ...e-ent&amp;mtxb=B1&amp;mtxl=L3"> </map>'; / > >                                           ^ E > > Line 414, column 915: end tag for element "MAP" which is not open  > > (explain...). 1 > >   ...e-ent&amp;mtxb=B2&amp;mtxl=L3"> </map>'; / > >                                           ^ D > > Line 700, column 87: document type does not allow element "FORM" here; ' > > missing one of "TH", "TD" start-tag / > >   ...tp://www.hp.com/search/" method="GET"> / > >                                           ^ B > > Line 703, column 59: document type does not allow element "TD" here > > (explain...). B > >               <td align="right" height="33" bgcolor="#E7E7E7">B > >                                                              ^F > > Line 708, column 118: there is no attribute "BORDER" (explain...).A > >   ...m/img/hpc60_arrow_submit.gif" border="0" alt="Begin your  search"></a>/ > >                                           ^  > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:17:31 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>' Subject: Re: A rant about HP's website. 9 Message-ID: <bf1q3o$a20l7$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   * On 15-Jul-2003 19:52, warren sander wrote:  H > the validator is nice but if I spent the time needed to add in all theC > unneeded/unsupported html 4.01 standards then the pages would not J > be viewable with Netscape 3.03 which doesn't impliment the 4.0 standard. > M > Some of this stuff is well and good but just so you know I generate 95%+ of 5 > the pages on the OpenVMS site using EDT and typing.  >  > [...]   B Fully agreed. The OpenVMS site is really well done and usable withF Mozilla, JavaScript disabled of course, not to mention other plug-ins.   Michael    --    @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 21:11:43 +03009 From: costello@iki.fi (Antti =?iso-8859-1?q?J=E4rvinen?=) ' Subject: alphaserver 2000 fan cablings? / Message-ID: <m3adbfu0bk.fsf@muikku.katiska.org>    Hello,  G I've got disassebled as2000 that has no fans. System behaves just like  M ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/systems/as2000/docs/service_hypertext.zip L tells it to behave when there is a fan failure: at bootup it will power down almost immediately.   G Could some kind soul open the lid of his/her as2000 and send me a brief E description of how fans connected. A picture is the preferred method, 8 but any media is ok. Document mentioned above tells thatH there are 2 fans: one cooling the disk shelves and another the rest. TheF fan connector on main board has 6 pins and I've beel told that the pin assigment is this:    +---+    |123|    |456|    +---+      ^      |        a snap          1-3 gnd  4 +12v 5 +12v 6 rotation speed measurement  O and I`m curious where is the speed measurement of the second fan? There must be K something wrong with above picture -> if there is normally 3 wires going to I one fan then above connector with 6 pins is enough but how is the cabling J arranged? What goes where and from which point? For example, are both fansJ connected to same connector? And what are the colours of the wires leaving( from each connector ending to each fan?   ; Thanks a million for a hi-res picture that shows above :-)     -- Antti, costello@iki.fi   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:39:50 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: BA35x$ Message-ID: <bf1hpm$amh$3@online.de>  I I know the answers are there in the documentation, but there is A LOT of   it!   C Does anyone have a concise description of the principal differences C between the BA350 JA, BA350 KF, BA350 SB, other BA350 models, BA356 G models and the BA353 (I know this is different physically, I mean other C differences), in particular what types of disks one can put in them # (size, 8/16 bit, part numbers etc).   H These are the trees.  The forest is, I want to figure out by some means E other than "suck it and see" what combinations of controller, shelf,  A caddy and disk will work, with and without "personality modules".    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:29:56 -0400 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>  Subject: Re: BA35x0 Message-ID: <lp22fb.g43.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   J > I know the answers are there in the documentation, but there is A LOT of > it!  > E > Does anyone have a concise description of the principal differences E > between the BA350 JA, BA350 KF, BA350 SB, other BA350 models, BA356 I > models and the BA353 (I know this is different physically, I mean other E > differences), in particular what types of disks one can put in them % > (size, 8/16 bit, part numbers etc).   I The BA350 boxes are all basically the same.  The -?? variants tend to be  J packaging differences.  The -J? is just the box, while the -S? is the box I with a rackmount kit, power supply, etc.  The -K? is a BA350 in a pretty   desk-side pedestal.   H The BA353 is basically a BA350 that only takes 3 drives, and only older A drives at that.  No 7200 RPM drives, due to insufficient cooling.   J There are 2 BA356s: the BA356 and the DS-BA356.  The BA356 is putty/beige C in color, while the DS-BA356 is blue.  Again, the -?? variants are  I packaging descriptions (power supply or not, rack-mount kit or not, what  + type of personality module [if any], etc.).   J The BA356 is a wide box, and can run at "fast" (10Mhz) speeds,. while the > DS-BA356 is also wide and can run at "Ultra" (20Mhz) speeds.    L Both the BA356 and the DS-BA356 take one of several "personality" modules.  E These modules are where the signal cables connect.  There is a 8-bit  J module, a fast 16-bit module, several Ultra 16-bit modules (single ended,   differential, one-bus, two-bus).  L All the BA35[06] boxes are internally split bus.  Some of the variants come H with a jumper (mounted on the backplane, in the back behind the fan) to H join the two busses, so that you end up with a single-bus unit.  Others D replace the jumper with a terminator so that you can have split-bus G operation, with the appropriate personality module (in the case of the  
 BA356 boxes).   H You can NOT have wide disks in the BA350 or BA353, as they simply won't J work.  You can have narrow disks in the BA356 boxes, provided the disk is L sufficiently new (older disks would "lock up" the SCSI bus if plugged in).  ; And, of course, you can have wide disks in the BA356 boxes.  --             Stu    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2003 16:49:36 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: BACKUP/NOINIT problem0 Message-ID: <bf1bb0$hqu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  G I have a disk which has been initialized by a no longer existing user.  D A DIR/SEC on the toplevel reveals INDEXF.SYS belonging to this user. So I did a: O  BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOALIAS disk_in_question someplace:disk.bck/SAVE  Next I initialized the disk:<  INIT/SYSTEM/OWNER=SYSTEM/HEADER=2000 disk_in_question label  MOUNT/FOREIGN disk_in_question G  BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINITIALIZE/LOG someplace:disk.bck/SAVE disk_in_question I But I still end up with an INDEXF.SYS belonging to the non-existent user. K The INDEXF.SYS is not extended during the backup. After the init and before O the backup INDEXF.SYS belongs to SYSTEM, afterwards no more. There is obviously ( no difference between /INIT and /NOINIT.  + What is wrong?  OpenVMS 7.3-1 plus patches.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:59:18 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>" Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem9 Message-ID: <bf1qgh$9i8in$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>   @ "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote in message* news:bf1bb0$hqu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de... > Hello, > H > I have a disk which has been initialized by a no longer existing user.F > A DIR/SEC on the toplevel reveals INDEXF.SYS belonging to this user.
 > So I did a: 9 >  BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOALIAS disk_in_question  someplace:disk.bck/SAVE  > Next I initialized the disk:> >  INIT/SYSTEM/OWNER=SYSTEM/HEADER=2000 disk_in_question label! >  MOUNT/FOREIGN disk_in_question I >  BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINITIALIZE/LOG someplace:disk.bck/SAVE disk_in_question K > But I still end up with an INDEXF.SYS belonging to the non-existent user. F > The INDEXF.SYS is not extended during the backup. After the init and beforeG > the backup INDEXF.SYS belongs to SYSTEM, afterwards no more. There is 	 obviously * > no difference between /INIT and /NOINIT. > - > What is wrong?  OpenVMS 7.3-1 plus patches.  >   C Clearly backup is restoring some of the original file attributes to 
 INDXF.SYS./ Have you tried doing a '$ set file/owner ...' ? K I am not aware of any reason why it would not work, but I have not tried it # on my machine, also V7.3-1+patches.      -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@jomatech.com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:19:36 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com" Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem? Message-ID: <OF4A97C82E.5FC6CDE3-ON85256D64.0074FF2A@metso.com>   J BACKUP the files to somewhere, reinitialize the disk /SYSTEM, then restore the files ./OWNER=ORIGINAL. 7 Do not use /IMAGE.  That should give you what you want.   B From:  "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> on 07/15/2003 04:59 PM  6 Please respond to "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:   % Subject:    Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem     @ "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote in message* news:bf1bb0$hqu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de... > Hello, > H > I have a disk which has been initialized by a no longer existing user.F > A DIR/SEC on the toplevel reveals INDEXF.SYS belonging to this user.
 > So I did a: 9 >  BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOALIAS disk_in_question  someplace:disk.bck/SAVE  > Next I initialized the disk:> >  INIT/SYSTEM/OWNER=SYSTEM/HEADER=2000 disk_in_question label! >  MOUNT/FOREIGN disk_in_question I >  BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINITIALIZE/LOG someplace:disk.bck/SAVE disk_in_question K > But I still end up with an INDEXF.SYS belonging to the non-existent user. F > The INDEXF.SYS is not extended during the backup. After the init and beforeG > the backup INDEXF.SYS belongs to SYSTEM, afterwards no more. There is 	 obviously * > no difference between /INIT and /NOINIT. > - > What is wrong?  OpenVMS 7.3-1 plus patches.  >   C Clearly backup is restoring some of the original file attributes to 
 INDXF.SYS./ Have you tried doing a '$ set file/owner ...' ? K I am not aware of any reason why it would not work, but I have not tried it # on my machine, also V7.3-1+patches.      -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@jomatech.com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/2003    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 16:31:30 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem3 Message-ID: <hxLDO1FUuNel@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <bf1bb0$hqu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > I > I have a disk which has been initialized by a no longer existing user.  F > A DIR/SEC on the toplevel reveals INDEXF.SYS belonging to this user.
 > So I did a: Q >  BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOALIAS disk_in_question someplace:disk.bck/SAVE  > Next I initialized the disk:> >  INIT/SYSTEM/OWNER=SYSTEM/HEADER=2000 disk_in_question label! >  MOUNT/FOREIGN disk_in_question I >  BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINITIALIZE/LOG someplace:disk.bck/SAVE disk_in_question K > But I still end up with an INDEXF.SYS belonging to the non-existent user. M > The INDEXF.SYS is not extended during the backup. After the init and before Q > the backup INDEXF.SYS belongs to SYSTEM, afterwards no more. There is obviously * > no difference between /INIT and /NOINIT.  G    There is a difference, but that's not it.  Why not save all the work 
    and try  !       $help set volume /owner_uic    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2003 20:31:18 GMT' From: morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu ()  Subject: Re: Burning a CD? or?+ Message-ID: <bf1oam$9bq$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>   , Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes:& >morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote: >>  E >>After about 15 years the state budget cuts finally found me and I'm  >>looking for a new job... >>  D >>While the boss is being very nice about it eventually I'm going toC >>have to move 15 years worth of accumulated files off the AS 1000A 9 >>(which will also disappear after I go) running VMS 7.1.  >>  / >>This comes to something around 100 megabytes.  > D >Only 100 meg? I've got a few gig, but I have got 3 years on you :-)   B Well, I was just thinking that for the first several years I had a 2000 block quota...   ! >> Is there a recipe for do this?  > I > If the VMS attributes are important, you could back it up to a saveset, G > then ZIP which could be burned to a CD, or better a couple or more of J > CDs for safekeeping. You could also use VMSZIP retaining VMS attributes,I > the benefit you could drag out files on the PC. Maybe use both formats, 6 > so when you get a hobby system, they can live again.    Don't I wish...   F Actually, if I kept all the software I've loaded onto the machine overF the years and would like to keep for a hobby system it just might hit 
 a gig or two.   J > VMSTAR is another method, I've no real experience (other than extractingH > files) but I think ZIP would be more universal, and because it "knows"G > VMS, may be more friendly. TAR isn't compressed of course either, but  > you probably knew that.   > Had my brain been engaged at the time I would have known that.E And since the vast majority of this is text I think zipping, and then B ftping to a PC is probably the way to go, even though I'm not too  concerned about VMS attributes.   4 > Simmer gently, and find a nice bottle of red wine!   <heh>    Thanks,  Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:02:41 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> Subject: Re: Burning a CD? or?9 Message-ID: <bf1qgh$9i8in$2@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>   1 <morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu> wrote in message % news:bf1797$svp$1@husk.cso.niu.edu... E > After about 15 years the state budget cuts finally found me and I'm  > looking for a new job... > D > While the boss is being very nice about it eventually I'm going toC > have to move 15 years worth of accumulated files off the AS 1000A 9 > (which will also disappear after I go) running VMS 7.1.  >   L If the machine is to follow you out of the door, would they allow that to be
 literally?- Would you want to have a VMS system at home ?      -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@jomatech.com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:25:52 +0200 + From: Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com>  Subject: Re: Burning a CD? or?2 Message-ID: <Aj_Qa.13406$Hb.230453@news4.e.nsc.no>  % morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:   ! >Is there a recipe for do this?    >  >    > : Why not ask to take the Alpha home when you have to leave?  E There is a detailed description of how to make a CD that can be used  H both on VMS with all file attributes intact and on other systems at the $ webpage http://www.tmesis.com/CDrom/  G The procedure explained there will create a CD image file which should  C be possible to transfer by ftp to a pc, and then burn the CD there.   I There may be a difficulty in creating a dual format CD in the disk space  D needed for the intermediate files which may need approx 3 times the I space of the files to be stored. In that case it may be easier to create  B CD's with VMS ODS-2 filesystem and ISO-9660 filesystem separately.   Regards,  Arne Bergseth    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 16:29:38 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Burning a CD? or?3 Message-ID: <ptMNbsRi3WGN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <bf1oam$9bq$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu () writes:  >   D > Well, I was just thinking that for the first several years I had a > 2000 block quota...   F    IIRC 100 blocks was what they gave us.  Had to purge often and keepD    nonvolatile files on a Files-11 tape.  Fortran didn't mind.  GoodE    thing no one else new how to compile from a Files-11 tape, we only     had one drive.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:32:26 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>  Subject: Re: Burning a CD? or?> Message-ID: <_h%Qa.12236$nP.521@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>  % morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:   E > After about 15 years the state budget cuts finally found me and I'm  > looking for a new job...    = Everybody else was right: take the Alpha with you if you can. ; But they forgot to tell you that you still need a backup on = CD just in case you drop the Alpha on the way home (they look # small, but those 1000s are heavy!).     I > I realize that isn't close to a full CD, but all I really have at home  B > is a CD player and a floppy drive and in view of my finances ...   Start here: .    http://support.tditx.com/~odsiso/index.html and you can also look here:     http://www.tmesis.com/cdrom/   C The first method allows you to build a CD with one copy of the data C which can be accessed as an ODS-2 filesystem when popped into a VMS F box and as an ISO9660 filesystem when popped into a CD. Anything otherE than binary data and text files will not be very easy to deal with on  the PC side, but that's life.   ? Given the small amount of data involved, you could stick to the B simpler method used in the second reference above. IIRC that givesB you two copies of the data, one in ISO9660 format and the other in ODS-2.  E Having produced your "container file" on the Alpha, you have a choice @ of attaching a CDR (or a CDRW) to your Alpha and learning to useA CDRECORD, or ftping the container file to a PC and burning there. ? You'll need to use a burning proggie that is happy to just burn D data without checking to see that it looks like it might be ISO9660.F I used Gear a few years ago. I expect that Nero would do just as well.@ I tried CDRwin just to teach myself how to write a cue sheet andH EasyCD Creator just could not hack it back then (but who knows if things have improved since then).   Antonio    --     --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:06:11 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: but in AUTOGEN and/or SYSMAN in VMS 7.3 VAX? $ Message-ID: <bf1mrj$h0r$1@online.de>   $  MC SYSMAN
 SET ENV/CLUST  SET PROFILE/PRIV=ALL DO @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN  H This works fine on 7.2-1 ALPHA and 7.2 VAX (no patches (yet)).  When it  hits the 7.3 VAX, I get   ?    %AUTOGEN-E-NOPRIV, SYSPRV privilege required to run AUTOGEN. C    %AUTOGEN-I-NOP, AUTOGEN has not attempted to execute any phases.   E If I execute AUTOGEN on the 7.3 node and set the priv beforehand, it  H works.  What confuses me is mainly why it doesn't work from SYSMAN from > another node---that's the whole point of SET PROF/PRIV, right?  C (I don't use the SYSTEM account.  It doesn't have NETWORK access.   G Trying to use it doesn't work---because it doesn't have NETWORK access? G In other words, does SYSMAN do a NETWORK access, or is there some back  H door and multi-node SYSMAN from SYSTEM isn't working for other reasons?)  I Presumably, SYSPRV has always been required to run AUTOGEN.  Apparently,  I it was silently enabled (if possible with the account in question) prior  & to 7.3.  Is this documented somewhere?   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:10:16 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)9 Subject: Re: but in AUTOGEN and/or SYSMAN in VMS 7.3 VAX? $ Message-ID: <bf1n38$hjl$1@online.de>  D In article <bf1mrj$h0r$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:     > $  MC SYSMAN > SET ENV/CLUST  > SET PROFILE/PRIV=ALL > DO @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN > J > This works fine on 7.2-1 ALPHA and 7.2 VAX (no patches (yet)).  When it  > hits the 7.3 VAX, I get  > A >    %AUTOGEN-E-NOPRIV, SYSPRV privilege required to run AUTOGEN. E >    %AUTOGEN-I-NOP, AUTOGEN has not attempted to execute any phases.  > G > If I execute AUTOGEN on the 7.3 node and set the priv beforehand, it  J > works.  What confuses me is mainly why it doesn't work from SYSMAN from @ > another node---that's the whole point of SET PROF/PRIV, right?  I Interestingly, if I start on the 7.3 node, it works, as described above,  D but does NOT work on the other nodes, unless I do the SET PROF/PRIV.  I What is the interaction between privs (default and authorized), AUTOGEN,  # SYSMAN and what has changed in 7.3?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:49:50 -0700 * From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@Flying-Disk.com>( Subject: Re: Concerns about buying Alpha. Message-ID: <3F143EBE.3070206@Flying-Disk.com>  
 Island wrote:n  M > What is the general opinion of buying Alpha systems now the Itanium looks at > wee bit more viable ?h  D My customers generally stay a year or so "behind the curve" in termsB of new hardware (with a few exceptions).   This usually gives themC more "bang for the buck" as well as assurance that the initial bugsu@ have been worked out.   So Alpha is still in the picture for us.  L > And... if you are buying Alpha SYSTEMS, are you buying larger (ES4x/GSxxx) > or DSxx series boxes?r  C Client #1 would have bought an ES40 this year, but the poor economy2D is forcing a delay to next year.   They will spend the same dollars,/ but probably get a larger/faster configuration.k  @ Personally, I am looking to upgrade my own AlphaStation 200 to aB DS10 or similar.   Some of those compiles are taking far too long.  D As I have noted in another thread, I also want to get a very low end@ Itanium, just so I can get some experience with the new systems.   Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 13:20:55 -0700& From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) Subject: Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2a= Message-ID: <dd3f0cb7.0307151220.661edc63@posting.google.com>H  F Does anyone know if VMS 7.2-2 will run ok on an AlphaServer ES45?  TheC HP VMS website says 7.3 is the minimum OS support, but I was hoping D they may have backported support in 7.2-2, or in one if its patches.  E I have a mixed VMS 6.2 and VMS 7.2 cluster and I can't upgrade all ofsE the VMS 6.2 systems at the present time.  VMS 7.3 is not supported inr% a mixed version cluster with VMS 6.2.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:09:14 +0100r* From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net># Subject: Re: Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2-9 Message-ID: <bf1rm4$a1jpn$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>2  3 "JG" <chessmaster1010@hotmail.com> wrote in message>7 news:dd3f0cb7.0307151220.661edc63@posting.google.com...3H > Does anyone know if VMS 7.2-2 will run ok on an AlphaServer ES45?  TheE > HP VMS website says 7.3 is the minimum OS support, but I was hopingsF > they may have backported support in 7.2-2, or in one if its patches. >pG > I have a mixed VMS 6.2 and VMS 7.2 cluster and I can't upgrade all ofsG > the VMS 6.2 systems at the present time.  VMS 7.3 is not supported inn' > a mixed version cluster with VMS 6.2.   B V7.3 is the absolute minimum for the ES45. I would strongly advise V7.3-1+patches. J I realise that this leaves you with a problem. Could you split the cluster+ into two? a V62 cluster and a V73 cluster ?g     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@jomatech.com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/2003T   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:13:22 +0200m+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>c# Subject: Re: Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2I9 Message-ID: <bf1ua7$aefn8$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>i  5 "JG" <chessmaster1010@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:dd3f0cb7.0307151220.661edc63@posting.google.com...cH > Does anyone know if VMS 7.2-2 will run ok on an AlphaServer ES45?  TheE > HP VMS website says 7.3 is the minimum OS support, but I was hoping F > they may have backported support in 7.2-2, or in one if its patches. > G > I have a mixed VMS 6.2 and VMS 7.2 cluster and I can't upgrade all of"G > the VMS 6.2 systems at the present time.  VMS 7.3 is not supported in ' > a mixed version cluster with VMS 6.2.a  G Not supported does not mean it won't work. You might get warnings aboutrK nodes that are part of the cluster and that do not support certain features52 that are available at more recent versions of VMS.J But even if it is not supported (nor "warranted") then you can still run aH VMS 7.3 node as part of the cluster, if only to migrate over a period of* time to, say, a mixed 7.2 and 7.3 cluster.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:41:06 +0100 ) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>P( Subject: Re: Good code profilers on VMS?@ Message-ID: <5q%Qa.12240$nP.11286@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:G > Certainly HP needs to put a _lot_ more emphasis on bringing PCA up to  > date.i  ? When last I looked PCA was part of DECset, which was one of the^< first things to have maintenance outsourced to EDS. I expect7 that anything other than bugfixes will be an extra cost $ to HP, so I wouldn't hold my breath.  ? Additionally, the EDS teams are probably busy doing the DECnet, = X.25, SNA and DECset (and whatever else they manage) ports to ; Itanium so my guess is that you'll have to hold your breathe even longer.   Antoniow   --   ---------------a- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org>   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2003 21:11 CDTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)P4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense- Message-ID: <15JUL200321114996@gerg.tamu.edu>   Z In article <vh868q78ftpbcd@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> writes...) }Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:a } : }> AMD will also be able to build 64bit desktops something: }> that you cannot do economically or easily with Itanium. } / }http://www.hp.com/workstations/itanium/zx2000/. }  }Web price $3298.m }  }--  }Greg Cagle   F Which is not a good price for a PC, or a workstation for that matter -A especially when you consider what you are getting at that price. e  I At that price the zx2000 doesn't even include an OS (it's the Linux-ready G version, but it doesn't actually come with Linux). If you want one withRG an OS installed, it will be at least $3,910 for the basic HP-UX system.sC That is with the somewhat modest ATI Radeon 7000 graphics card (the B current top of the line ATI PC, rather than workstation, card, theC 9600 Pro, is around 10 times as fast), and it also only has AGP 4x, D but 8x is now standard on PCs (not even looking at workstations). It> also has a 40GB EIDE hard drive (no SCSI at this price point).  C Athlon64 based PCs should come in at, and possibly under, half thisl@ "no OS" price in a useable configuration. The Athlon64 system atC half the price will probably be noticably faster than a zx2000 too,1E as that only has a 900MHz Itanium 2 with 1.5MB on-chip cache, not the:B new fast versions - not to mention that it only has DDR266 memory.E I expect you'll be able to use DDR400 with about any Althlon64 systemoE on they day they come out, many (if not all) with dual channel DDR400aF memory to match that 6.4GB/sec the zx2000 claims - what is that, threeG DDR266 modules wide? DDR266 is only a little over 2.1GB/sec so it would C have to be unless it is 4 wide but rated on the CPU's communication H rate rather than the memory. (Realistically though, the new dual channelE chipsets on PCs rarely seem to add much more than 50% to their memoryg throughput.)  H Of course a new low-end Itanium system with the newer faster versions ofF the processor and other updates to todays standard component specs mayC well be out before the Athlon64 systems, but how much will it cost?oD If it is over $2000 in a decent configuration (like including an OS,F at least) it is well over what an Athlon64 system is likely to run you in a rather nice configuration.,   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2003 06:36:59 GMT/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net>w9 Subject: Re: looking for used hardware in UK, NL, B, D, S/5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-sVOY0EyQSuVk@localhost>H  B On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:13:03 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   H > Please email me to discuss when and where I can collect the stuff, as - > I'm still planning the details of my route.i  * You're obviously not driving a Ford Ka...    -- o Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:29:53 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>.! Subject: Message to Sue Skonetski=H Message-ID: <lSWQa.74442$sI91.1333@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Sue,  " Please check your hotmail account.   Thanks,e John   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:35:25 +0000 (UTC)fP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: MOUNT/SHADOW/NOCOPY$ Message-ID: <bf1hhc$amh$2@online.de>  B I understand what MOUNT/CONFIRM/SHADOW and MOUNT/NOCOPY/SHADOW do.   The HELP says:  E          The /NOCOPY qualifier is similar to /CONFIRM. Use /NOCOPY totI          mount shadow sets in the site-specific startup command procedureFD          SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM; use /CONFIRM for interactive          mounting.  G Does this mean to say that /NOCOPY should be used when mounting shadow  H sets during startup?  At the moment, I haven't set this qualifier (COPY % is the default).  Should I change it?   I It seems to me I would WANT COPY.  If a copy is needed, why not do it at 8 startup?  B Or does this mean to say just use /NOCOPY rather than /CONFIRM in G startup if, for whatever reason, one wants it, since the former is not   interactive?   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 15:38:14 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n  Subject: Re: MOUNT/SHADOW/NOCOPY3 Message-ID: <cyrZ8A7p8jrH@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  w In article <bf1hhc$amh$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:'D > I understand what MOUNT/CONFIRM/SHADOW and MOUNT/NOCOPY/SHADOW do. >  > The HELP says: > G >          The /NOCOPY qualifier is similar to /CONFIRM. Use /NOCOPY to=K >          mount shadow sets in the site-specific startup command procedure F >          SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM; use /CONFIRM for interactive >          mounting. > I > Does this mean to say that /NOCOPY should be used when mounting shadow  J > sets during startup?  At the moment, I haven't set this qualifier (COPY ' > is the default).  Should I change it?  > K > It seems to me I would WANT COPY.  If a copy is needed, why not do it at  
 > startup? > D > Or does this mean to say just use /NOCOPY rather than /CONFIRM in I > startup if, for whatever reason, one wants it, since the former is not   > interactive?  ) 	You don't /confirm as it is interactive.o  C      The /COPY qualifier instructs MOUNT to perform copy operations)B      on shadow set members. You can mount shadow sets with /NOCOPY?      to test if proposed shadow set members are targets of copycA      operations. If any of the specified volumes is a target of afB      copy operation, the command quits without mounting any of theC      specified volumes (including those that did not require a copy       operation).  = 	You -may- be a cautious person and have MOUNT/NOCOPY in your > 	system wide startup just in case you accidently put the wrongA 	target(s) in there.  You wouldn't overwrite valuable data.  But  F 	generally speaking, I think most of us don't have MOUNT/NOCOPY in our= 	startups and carefully examine targets that are hardcoded inu 	mount procedures.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:45:01 -0700-, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>  Subject: Re: MOUNT/SHADOW/NOCOPY) Message-ID: <3F1467CD.BFCBA5D9@intel.com>u  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:2 > D > I understand what MOUNT/CONFIRM/SHADOW and MOUNT/NOCOPY/SHADOW do. >  > The HELP says: > G >          The /NOCOPY qualifier is similar to /CONFIRM. Use /NOCOPY tomK >          mount shadow sets in the site-specific startup command procedurewF >          SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM; use /CONFIRM for interactive >          mounting. > H > Does this mean to say that /NOCOPY should be used when mounting shadowI > sets during startup?  At the moment, I haven't set this qualifier (COPYe' > is the default).  Should I change it?a  @ Indeed, at my last place of employment, we used /INCLUDE/NOCOPY.A Oh, and the MOUNT command specified just one member of the shadow 
 set, like so:s  C $MOUNT/SYSTEM/NOASSIST/INCLUDE/NOCOPY DSA30 <label>/SHAD=$255$DUA30<  8 where the complete shadow membership was $255$DUA30 and = $255$DUA31.  (It was a little more sophisticated than that...tC if $255$DUA30 wasn't avaliable for mount, it would try $255$DUA31.)r  @ The idea is that if the system had been shut down normally, and B the shadow set doismounted normally, BOTH members will be mounted C via the /INCLUDE qualifier when specifying the mount with a single 0B shadow member.  Actually, it's not that restrictive: you still get> both members mounted with a (mini-)merge pending if the system crashed.  A But in the case that one member failed out of the shadow set, or c> had been dismounted, prior to the system going down, you DON'TA want to start a Shadow Copy on boot!  Better to mount the "wrong" ? or "stale" member by itself until you can sort things out, thane? to have the wrong member be the source of a shadow copy.  Bladet guards and all. :-)t  J > It seems to me I would WANT COPY.  If a copy is needed, why not do it at
 > startup?  ? Because you can't be sure (during STARTUP) which member is the u; correct shadow master if the shadow set was "whole" when itt was dismounted.r  C > Or does this mean to say just use /NOCOPY rather than /CONFIRM inaH > startup if, for whatever reason, one wants it, since the former is not > interactive?  @ The /CONFIRM gives you one last chance to make sure you've typed= the correct command before destroying data.  The /NOCOPY does = the same thing when you don't have a chance to "eyeball" whatr is about to happen.t  @ I don't happen to recall what happens if you specify ALL members> in the MOUNT command, along with /NOCOPY, for the case where a> copy is required.  I _think_ the MOUNT fails.  I know it fails= if one of the members is not available (offline, dead, etc.).i   	-Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldt" D1C Automation VMS System Support ) kenneth[dt]h[dt]fairfield[ta]intel[dt]comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:15:57 +0200d+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>l$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS  NCP quiestion?9 Message-ID: <bf1gcv$9tpbf$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>1  & My best guess is that if you'd look at   $ mc ncp sho know line   and/or   $ mc ncp sho know circ  J that the line device is in state off, or the circuit. Could it be that theL NCP database are copied from another system, or that this is an image backup9 from another system with a different ethernet controller?    Hans% -------------------------------------c> "Wolf, Gerald J" <gerald.j.wolf@boeing.com> schreef in berichtL news:3BFEACE361F5BF429DD1DA593E3A7C090178DB53@xch-nw-28.nw.nos.boeing.com... All,  L It is good to be back working on OpenVMS systems again.  I have been workingK on other O/S platforms for about four years. You can really get rusty fast.5   I have an NCP question  L I have one system that can not "set host" to other systems and other systems to this one.  L Here are some show dumps to look at.  I can not get the unreachable nodes to a reachable status.r   Can anyone help me please?   ncp>show node sol char  8 Node Volatile Characteristics as of 14-JUL-2003 14:05:30   Executor node = 21.32 (SOL)-  , Identification = DECnet for OpenVMS AXP V7.2   Management version = V4.0.0    Incoming timer = 45e   Outgoing timer = 60s   Incoming Proxy = Enabled   Outgoing Proxy = Enabled   NSP version = V4.1.0   Maximum links = 32   Delay factor = 80i   Delay weight = 5   Inactivity timer = 60    Retransmit factor = 10   Routing version = V2.0.0   Type = nonrouting IV   Routing timer = 600a   Broadcast routing timer = 180e   Maximum address = 1023   Maximum circuits = 16e   Maximum cost = 1022[   Maximum hops = 30h   Maximum visits = 63a   Maximum area = 63(   Max broadcast nonrouters = 643   Max broadcast routers = 32   Maximum path splits = 1    Area maximum cost = 1022   Area maximum hops = 30   Maximum buffers = 100    Buffer size = 576r   Nonprivileged user id = DECNET  # Nonprivileged password = PARCETISTSo   Access = incoming and outgoing  & Default access = incoming and outgoing   Pipeline quota = 40320   Alias maximum links = 32   Path split policy = Normal   Maximum Declared Objects = 31h   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 12:53:43 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: OpenVMS  NCP quiestion?3 Message-ID: <1Rkye2VMxtBf@eisner.encompasserve.org>e   In article <3BFEACE361F5BF429DD1DA593E3A7C090178DB53@xch-nw-28.nw.nos.boeing.com>, "Wolf, Gerald J" <gerald.j.wolf@boeing.com> writes:      1) please read the FAQ:  /       Please don't post MIME to this newsgroup.y    . > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >  > All, > =20oH > It is good to be back working on OpenVMS systems again.  I have been =K > working on other O/S platforms for about four years. You can really get = 
 > rusty fast.i > =20e > I have an NCP question > =20BH > I have one system that can not "set host" to other systems and other = > systems to this one. > =20aG > Here are some show dumps to look at.  I can not get the unreachable =e > nodes to a reachable status.  F    You can plan on NCP having told you the truth, the nodes really are    not reachable.c  G    Quite possibly your network is no longer routing DECnet, or the areaE,    has changed and one node was not updated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:00:15 -0700E, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>. Subject: Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet)) Message-ID: <3F146B5F.13F7DC8F@intel.com>    Jean Mertens wrote:a > 6 > What is surprising is that the following is working: > F > 1) From NodeA $CREMBX mail box NODEA_MBX (logical name) as permanent: > 2) Define proxy on NodeA user A to point to NodeB user B > 3) From NodeB in DCL% > DCL>OPEN/WRITE tmp NodeB::NODEA_MBXP4 > DCL> WRITE tmp "hello there this is remote node B" > DCL> CLOSE tmp > L > NodeA receives in NODEA_MBX the string : hello there this is remote node B > E > The same works with pure Fortran Open and Write if the file name is-3 > NodeB::"NODEA_MBX" with the mail box logical name0 > between to double quotes.o  > On just this one point, since NODEA_MBX is a logical name, you> might want to try the Fortran Open with the trailing colon ":"= to let RMS know to translate the logical on th eremote systemb4 rather than looking for a file named NODEA_MBX.; ...  < I agree with other posters that, to the extent your program 8 works up to a certain buffer size, that there are DECNET8 parameters, and possibly RMS parameters, that need to be: adjusted to allow the large buffers to be transferred this way.   	-Keni --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldb" D1C Automation VMS System Support  kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.comE   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2003 17:22 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n. Subject: Re: OpenVMS - Remot emailbox (Decnet)- Message-ID: <15JUL200317225856@gerg.tamu.edu>e  / John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> writes...aH }On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:07:40 +0200, "Jean Mertens" <jmertens@skynet.be> }wrote:  } I }>Using SYS$CREMBX, how to connect to a mailbox on another node (OpenVMS)n }>(using Fortran preferrably)rL }>or using regular OPEN Fortran statement in order to send mail box messages }>that are quite long ?w }>..K }>I can send short messages (about 80 bytes) but I keep getting mail box is + }>too small when trying to send 3600 bytes.s } K }Can you determine the exact point at which the messages fail ?  200 bytes, A }2000, 3599 etc ?  It may be you are accidentally tripping over a-M }parameterised limit somewhere.  I vaguely recall you have to change a sysgen-I }parameter and reboot if you wish to send network mailbox messages longer1" }than a certain size, for example. } H }I think you have proved the concept if you have successfully sent shortL }messages, so we can move on from that argument (accepting the fact that theK }mechanism by which it is working may be the reason why there is a limit ono }message size).  }  }--  }Johny  E This would be transparent DECnet communications. I had forgotten that5E you could access a mailbox (and probably just about any other device)> this way. The joys of RMS.  I The Fortran OPEN statment has a maximum record size that you can specify."/ It defaults to 133 bytes for formatted records.s  F So it may be as simple as specifying the correct "RECL=x" in the OPEN.  G You may also need to do a SET RMS_DEFAULT/NETWORK_BLOCK_COUNT=x where xpI is a big enbough number of blocks to get the message through. The default/E process value is 0, which means "use the system default". The defaultVC system value is controlled by the RMS_DFNBC system parameter, whichRD defaults to 8 (on V7.2-1, but I think it may be 8 on most versions).@ 8 blocks = 4096 bytes, so the default is probably big enough for your desired 3600 byte records.n  H If the default is not sufficient, you may (or may not) also need do this on the receiving end.p  F I have had a line in my login.com that sets this to 32 for a very longI time (sometime in the mid or late 1980s). My recollection of this is very J vague, but I seem to recall that it was necessary to get some tape relatedC operations using larger that default block sizes to work across theYF network, and that it had to be in the login.com at both ends such thatF it would run for interactive logins at the interactive end and network4 logins at the remote end (but I'm not sure of this).   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 13:06:29 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler).J Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships3 Message-ID: <fdXESu4TRndB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3F1438AE.4070005@NelsonUSA.com>, Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> writes:n > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > L >> I would wait until Christmas, when the first version will escape into the) >> wild, and then ask the question again.h > @ > I have a delightful vision of "it" scampering out the door andB > into the snow-covered hills of Nashua, with scores of developers > in hot pursuit.   :-)g  E    Does "it" have the silly bell shaped skirt I keep seeing rx2600 ins4    on HP's web site?  Sure makes them look unstable.      What is that skirt, anyhow?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:47:21 GMTS From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfactionC# Message-ID: <3f149f35.6179578@news>d  C On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:12:46 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   p >In article <CpCQa.63555$sI91.13096@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:H >>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1211&e=10&u=/ap/200304 >>710/ap_on_hi_te/tech_s_best_and_worst&sid=95573371 >>( >>Survey: HP, Compaq Flunk PC Users Test: >>Thu Jul 10, 4:17 PM ET  Add Technology - AP to My Yahoo! >> >>( >>By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, AP Business Writer >>G >>NEW YORK - The biggest merger in high-tech history may be a financial(G >>success for Hewlett-Packard Co. and the former Compaq Computer Corp.,uG >>but it hasn't made buyers of their computers any happier. Both brandshD >>picked up terrible grades in an annual PC user satisfaction survey >>released Thursday. >>= >>Dell Computer Corp., on the other hand, continued to shine.  >> >>
 >>more.... >>G >>Meanwhile, HP and Compaq desktops both got an E - the lowest possiblefE >>grade - along with those by Acer Inc., eMachines Inc. and NEC Corp.1 >>F >>HP had scored a D-minus last year, while Compaq had the scarlet E inD >>2002, as well. When PC Magazine subscribers were asked about theirH >>experiences in getting technical support or repair help, HP and Compaq7 >>scored worse than average in 12 out of 15 categories.e >>D >>To be sure, HP's $19 billion acquisition of Compaq last year neverE >>really was billed as a boon to consumers. The companies' main goalsDC >>were to streamline their PC divisions and strengthen products and,# >>services for corporate customers.l >>G >>Still, the failing grades indicate how little progress HP has made inyG >>answering to competition from Dell, which regained the worldwide leadt+ >>in PC sales from HP in the first quarter.e >>	 >>more...i >> >>F >>I guess this means that any money for VMS advertising/marketing willD >>be shifted to the PeeCee side of the house to bolster HP's saggingF >>image there....after all, a satisfied PeeCee buyer is also a printerA >>and printer ink buyer, and that's where HP's bread is buttered.  > D >A PeeCee is a PeeCee.  They all use an intel or AMD chip capable ofE >executing BillyBloatWarez.  How is any one different than the other?n >iF >Comparing systems with the same memory, CPU, and drive hardware, what >is the difference?e >--uP >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >  Support and reliability really.J@ I'd say the user profiles of the different brands would be quiteB interesting, the less you know, the more you're likely to go for aD "name" brand. And, the less you know the more likely you are to need technical support.E So, the "name" brands are more likely to have to try and deliver tech F support to those that know less. And because PCs are sold as commodityB items then those that understand them less can actually break themE while just using them - i.e. delete some files because of a maliciousr e-mail hoax.F Difficult to break the fridge because you removed the butter using the wrong hand!e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:39:41 GMTn From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction # Message-ID: <3f149d39.5671187@news>   2 On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:47:21 -0700, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote:  J ><Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz> wrote in message news:3f134713.102096046@news...H >> We use those "neato server agents" extensively and I find updates are >> a doddle.H >> We use Insight Manager and there are any number of ways of performing >> the updates.15 >> As for HTTP Backdoors, the Agents are now all SSL.sC >> You're advising your clients to do without an excellent and free  >> Server Management tool. >>J >It's a case of horses and barn doors.  The current versons may work fine,F >but the problem was with the NT4 versions.  The design flaws in thoseK >versions (in particular the No Uninstall features) have cost our customersdD >real money when it came time to move to Win2000.  Unless there is aL >compelling reason to use the agents we aren't going to recommend it for theF >simple reason that we can't count on them not causing problems in theH >future.  It's a credibility problem.  Will they uninstall smoothly withM >Win2003?  Maybe, but I'm not going to bother to try it.  Microsoft is enoughD3 >of a hassle on its own, why pile up complications?  >   Jack Peacock >t > E I'm running the latest Agents on NT4 and W2K Servers with no problemsr@ and with the benefit of excellent reporting, including threshold alerts etc.gF What's more it logs to a database I can query using SQL to produce allD manner of reports. I use it for capacity planning and some manegment reports.> It's probably enabled me to get close to providing the kind of5 management and planning I've done on the VMS Systems.lE There's a wealth of new features and an active forum where issues aree? discussed and that is monitored by the HP Insight Manager team.nF Oh yes, Insight Manager also keeps an additional eye on my VMS Systems as well as the Tru64 box.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:31:08 -0400l9 From: "Andrew Butchart" <andrewb@abutchartconsulting.com>e Subject: Pony Expressn, Message-ID: <3f149e1e_6@corp.newsgroups.com>  K I'm trying to find out some information on an older VMS mail product calledsL Pony Express.  As far as I can tell, it was distributed in the early 90's by the Wollongong Group.w  H I'm looking for some documentation on whether there is an interface thatH will allow me to programmatically create outbound mail including encoded report files with it.e   -- Andrew Butchartl andrewb@abutchartconsulting.com,K http://www.abutchartconsulting.com/botdocs/ - ABC Bot - Shareware SMTP/POP3v Mail Servera        > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:09:28 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG0 Subject: Re: Questions from Pat St. Laurent @ HP0 Message-ID: <00A22E6B.90E5F0A5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <bf1ajj$rbs$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes:dT >In article <00A22E28.2D36366D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:e >>In article <2GyOioZc0UMZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:i^ >>>In article <3F1358E9.7798D0CB@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >>>> Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: >>>>> B >>>>> Hm, doesn't HP reject mails based on IP addresses or domains< >>>>> the's in "black-lists" that HP gets from some 3-part ? >>>> tJ >>>> As I remember VAXman's explanation, his IP address back-translates toF >>>> something other than the sending domain. As a result, hp.com's MX >>>> bounces the mail. >>> ) >>>That seems like a defective algorithm.t >>>bG >>>I believe a correct algorithm would take the domain name obtained by H >>>a reverse DNS lookup and ensure a forward lookup returned the same IP: >>>address.  An IP address can have multiple domain names. >>> A >>>I just ran tmesis.com through http://www.dnsreport.com and got- >>>o >>>	0 Failures, >>>	7 Warnings (none related to reverse DNS) >> >>These two are cute:  >>C >>|WARNING: One or more of your mailservers does not accept mail toVB >>|abuse@tmesis.com. Mailservers are expected by RFC2142 to accept >>|mail to abuse.( >>|.* >>|      mail.tmesis.com's abuse response:( >>|      >>> RCPT TO: <abuse@tmesis.com>0 >>|      <<< 550 5.1.1 No such local user: abuse >>|a >>|tD >>|WARN: One or more of your mailservers does not accept mail in theF >>|domain literal format (user@[0.0.0.0]). Mailservers are technicallyG >>|required RFC1123 5.2.17 to accept mail to domain literals for any offC >>|its IP addresses. Not accepting domain literals can make it moretH >>|difficult to test your mailserver, and can prevent you from receiving> >>|E-mail from people reporting problems with your mailserver.E >>|However, it is unlikely that any problems will occur if the domainT >>|literals are not accepted.o >>| ? >>|      mail.tmesis.com's postmaster@[64.253.47.113] response:p2 >>|      >>> RCPT TO: <postmaster@[64.253.47.113]>4 >>|      <<< 551 Relay disabled, recipient refused:  >> >>C >>Both of these I have explicitly *disabled* because of SPAMmers!!!0D >>These RFC really ought to be written with some appreciation of the >>real world SPAM situation. e >)D >The abuse recommendation was made because of the SPAMMER situation./ >You need to have somewhere to report spammers.j? >The other address which is MANDATED by the RFCs is postmaster.i@ >Hopefully you haven't also disabled that because Spammers were  >sending it spam.  L  ? abuse@ is fine for ISPs but seeing as how I am the primary user1? of my domain -- and not for SPAMming -- I see no need to createV? it just so I can get MORE SPAM.  The postmaster@ does exist.  I ? have receive a few SPAMs to that address as well but I won't bet, removing that recipient -- at least not yet.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            o5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" h   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2003 18:59:27 GMT" From: rufusvii@aol.com (Rufus VII)" Subject: Re: RF31 hardware problem: Message-ID: <20030715145927.23584.00000392@mb-m22.aol.com>  @ >Maybe you should try comp.sys.dec and comp.sys.dec.micro too...( >I can't help you, but good luck anyway!   Thanks for this hint, Holi.a I'll give it a try.1   Rufus0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:18:41 +0100u) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>0" Subject: Re: RF31 hardware problem? Message-ID: <45%Qa.12224$nP.7525@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>    Rufus VII wrote:  = > hey, no hardware gurus or field service reading this board?oP > I still need to know, what the meaning of error code A508 is, and if there's a+ > change to "revitalize" the two RF31 diskse  " Pick up the RF72D user guide from:; http://www.purdueriots.com/classiccmp/dec94mds/rf72dug8.pdfr: and flick to chapter 3 or so which discusses diags and the9 various diagnostic utilities that run on the disk itself.t9 (I know it's an RF72 manual and you have an RF31 but mostm  of this stuff will still apply).  8 FWIW I don't see any mention in the manual of a table of9 error codes, so you'll have to poke around the disk setup + and make sure it's correct for your system.    AntonioS   -- t   --   ---------------f- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orga   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 13:09:52 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)-5 Subject: Re: simple questions on generic batch queues 3 Message-ID: <mpKkDQn5wQRi@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  w In article <bf1c4m$3r6$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:nD > I want to set up some fancier batch queues on my hobbyist cluster. > J > Can I have generic queue A pointing to, say, specific queues 1, 2, and 35 > and generic queue B pointing to just, say, 2 and 3?c      Yes.I  K > Can I submit a job to a specific queue, but have it RESTART on a generic t > queue?  /    I'm not completely sure, but I don't see it.-   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:28:22 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: simple questions on generic batch queues<$ Message-ID: <bf1h45$amh$1@online.de>  3 In article <mpKkDQn5wQRi@eisner.encompasserve.org>,g> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   y > In article <bf1c4m$3r6$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:oF > > I want to set up some fancier batch queues on my hobbyist cluster. > > L > > Can I have generic queue A pointing to, say, specific queues 1, 2, and 37 > > and generic queue B pointing to just, say, 2 and 3?s > 	 >    Yes.2 > M > > Can I submit a job to a specific queue, but have it RESTART on a generic t
 > > queue? > 1 >    I'm not completely sure, but I don't see it.l  I What do you not see?  The description in the documentation, or how to do a it?   C I couldn't find an example of this in HELP or in the docs (though, 9& admittedly, it was just a quick look).  E As I said, the motivation is clear: start a job on a specific machine(6 (say, the most powerful) but allow failover to others.   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2003 17:12:24 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)H5 Subject: Re: simple questions on generic batch queuesS0 Message-ID: <bf1clo$ifl$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  w In article <bf1c4m$3r6$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:oI >Can I have generic queue A pointing to, say, specific queues 1, 2, and 3h4 >and generic queue B pointing to just, say, 2 and 3?   Yes, shouldn't be a problem.  J >Can I submit a job to a specific queue, but have it RESTART on a generic G >queue?  (This is poor man's load balancing---submit it on the fastest oJ >node, but let it run on any if it gets restarted after that node fails.  F >Or is there a fancier, better, easier way to do such load balancing?)  M I doubt it. Usually you would do it the other way. You create a generic queuerL pointing to queue B, C and A (in this order) where B is the fastest node andN A is the slowest. Then you submit your jobs into the generic queue. If queue BN is busy the job will end up in C, if that is busy, too it will be processed in A.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann.   -- eE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.des  D-79011  Freiburg, Germany19                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmll   ------------------------------   Date: 15 JUL 2003 21:10:52 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>k5 Subject: Re: simple questions on generic batch queues 2 Message-ID: <15JUL03.21105206@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  K In a previous article, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:ny > In article <bf1c4m$3r6$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:eK > >Can I have generic queue A pointing to, say, specific queues 1, 2, and 3o6 > >and generic queue B pointing to just, say, 2 and 3? >  a > Yes, shouldn't be a problem. >  nL > >Can I submit a job to a specific queue, but have it RESTART on a generic I > >queue?  (This is poor man's load balancing---submit it on the fastest sL > >node, but let it run on any if it gets restarted after that node fails.  H > >Or is there a fancier, better, easier way to do such load balancing?) >  .O > I doubt it. Usually you would do it the other way. You create a generic queueuN > pointing to queue B, C and A (in this order) where B is the fastest node andP > A is the slowest. Then you submit your jobs into the generic queue. If queue BP > is busy the job will end up in C, if that is busy, too it will be processed in > A.  K According to my v7.1 Systems Managers Manual: Essentials, section 13.2.1.3,.K jobs submitted to generic batch queues are placed "to minimize the ratio ofdI executing jobs to job limits for all execution queues fed by [the genericRI queue]".  So if A is faster than B and C you could set job limits for A's J execution queue to be greater than those for B and C.  Submit your jobs toH the generic queue and they will generally run on A.  If system A crashesF jobs will be restarted on the generic queue and run on B or C (until A returns to service).  G If you're not already familiar with them, you may want to look at usingaJ $RESTART and BATCH$RESTART in your procedures.  They're in section 15.19.5! of my v7.1 OpenVMS User's Manual.a   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOViH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2003 16:25:44 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)D5 Subject: Re: simple questions on generic batch queuesy3 Message-ID: <lxqFGVMpcMKc@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  w In article <bf1h45$amh$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > K > What do you not see?  The description in the documentation, or how to do m > it?o  I    The description in the documentation of how to do it.  Couldn't recall <    anything that would provide a route to this goal, either.  E    But now I've thought some more.  Another approach to the end goal: H    you can auto-start queues "on" multiple nodes /autostart_on=(list).  D    Then the queue itself fails over, just make sure that jobs which D    resubmit themselves resubmit back to the generic queue.  I'm not I    sure if you have to take action to get the queue back on the original sF    node when that node comes back, some combination of start and stop D    should get it.  Or you might have to manually intervene after you    restore the node.   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2003 20:35:10 GMT' From: morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu ()-! Subject: Thanks to the community! + Message-ID: <bf1ohu$9bq$2@husk.cso.niu.edu>L  A As I noted, I am leaving my VMS system manager job, and given the ? job market there is a good chance I'll be doing something else,, but one way or the other ...  E I've not been around here much in the last few years but writing that-D last message reminded me that I owed a big thanks to the many peopleC who have written and ported software for VMS, and to everybody who :/ gives help here and on the various email lists.4   Thanks!3   Robert Morphis   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:08:27 +0200s+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> % Subject: Re: Thanks to the community!U9 Message-ID: <bf1u11$a3f4c$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>-  3 <morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu> schreef in berichtY% news:bf1ohu$9bq$2@husk.cso.niu.edu... C > As I noted, I am leaving my VMS system manager job, and given the A > job market there is a good chance I'll be doing something else,O > but one way or the other ... >uG > I've not been around here much in the last few years but writing thatSF > last message reminded me that I owed a big thanks to the many peopleD > who have written and ported software for VMS, and to everybody who1 > gives help here and on the various email lists.I >v	 > Thanks!i >u > Robert Morphis  
 Good luck!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:14:11 +0100e) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>e> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?> Message-ID: <S0%Qa.12219$nP.177@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>   Charlie McCutcheon wrote:-	 >>V5 Gray- >  > C > My memory says China Red, which looks to most people like orange..   Chinese Red (or Orange) was V4.T. The Grey V5 was Champagne (or Champagne Beige)  5 I don't know if the dark blue V3 or light blue V2 hade( "real" names and I never saw V1 manuals.   Antonior   -- L   --   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgU   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:13:01 -0400i< From: "Carlc Internet Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com>> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?1 Message-ID: <1U%Qa.346$1D3.46266@news.uswest.net>M  1 "RC Bryan" <rcbryan@hotmail.com> wrote in messagei7 news:fbcf38dc.0307141115.75bbbca0@posting.google.com...hE > I was having a discussion in the office with an old timer and therefA > was some controversy about the color of the binders for the olds > versions of VMS. >Y > I dimly remember having: >  > V1 (before my time with VMS)  8 Not for me... I remember using DSC2 to do backups of the7 RP06s that were connected on the Massbus (now, how manyn9 cobwebs did I clear from people heads). I recall the BLUErA manuals for V1. They had the same color for V2. I think the colorT= change was in V4 just to get people to notice that V4 manualsa were different.t  9 AND... VMS Backup was invented in V2... Before that, DSC2r= was it... (Good ol "Disk Save and Compress"). AND... You usedl? "talk" instead of "phone" for IM... Oh yeah, IM was invented ont9 VMS <GRIN>... we just didn't know it yet.... and, I'm not 8 sorry to see it go, I remember using TECO to edit files.  : And now I use OpenVMS for my webhosting business... Got to love OpenVMS <GRIN>. Carl ==================== http://www.carlc.com/)  =       "Price, Performance, Quality. Choose any two you like."l   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 00:35:16 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)c> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?3 Message-ID: <kJMvCp0qTXaH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <S0%Qa.12219$nP.177@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> writes: > Charlie McCutcheon wrote:g
 >>>V5 Gray >>   >> pD >> My memory says China Red, which looks to most people like orange. > ! > Chinese Red (or Orange) was V4. 0 > The Grey V5 was Champagne (or Champagne Beige) > 7 > I don't know if the dark blue V3 or light blue V2 had * > "real" names and I never saw V1 manuals.  I The V1 manuals were in blue binders.  Unfortunately, I do not have a set.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.389 ************************