1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 16 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 390       Contents:E Re: %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists ! 36 x DS10L 617 for only USD20,000  4000 500 refuse to mop boot  Re: 4000 500 refuse to mop boot  Re: 4000 500 refuse to mop boot  Re: A rant about HP's website. Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: Burning a CD? or?  Re: Burning a CD? or?  Re: Burning a CD? or?  Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?* Re: Cheap Memory Options for Alpha Servers DCL encryption technique Re: Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2 DVD compatibility with VMS Re: DVD compatibility with VMS Re: Good code profilers on VMS?  Re: Good code profilers on VMS?  Re: Good code profilers on VMS? + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense % Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME A Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships * Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction* Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction* Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction* Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction* Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction* Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction* Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction= PCSI producer and VMS facility name for Freeware/GPL Software  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: Problems with licenses. 6 Showing what processes are attached to a specific file: RE: Showing what processes are attached to a specific file: Re: Showing what processes are attached to a specific file: Re: Showing what processes are attached to a specific file, Re: simple questions on generic batch queues) TCPIP SMTP service and MIME issue - HELP!  Re: Thanks to the community! Virtual email accounts5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? - ZIP encrypt, how? (was: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 01:05:09 -0700' From: piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers) N Subject: Re: %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input, but file really exists= Message-ID: <be44b12d.0307160005.4b6fb84a@posting.google.com>    Thanks everybody,   8 The file HP_LASERJET_DEVCTL was not present on the node.   Thanks.    Piet  l piet@timmers-it.nl (Piet Timmers) wrote in message news:<be44b12d.0307150115.71a7fda0@posting.google.com>... > Some help needed,  >  > $ sh que CF31053/all/full Q > Printer queue CF31053, idle, on LNV8::"10.170.31.53:9100", mounted form DEFAULT  >   <HP LaserJet 4000>R >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DEFAULT) /LIBRARY=HP_LASERJET_DEVCTL LowercaseL >   /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)+ >   /RETAIN=ERROR /SEPARATE=(RESET=(RESET))  > 6 >   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status6 >   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------A >     774  RESTORE_DB_FD   RC_TIMMERS       19  Retained on error 2 >        %PSM-E-OPENIN, error opening !AS as input# >        -RMS-E-FNF, file not found + >        -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file H >          Submitted 15-JUL-2003 11:08:01.78 /FORM=DEFAULT /PRIORITY=100N >          File: _$1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1= >          Completed 15-JUL-2003 11:10:39.17 on queue CF31053 D > $ dir $1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1 > - > Directory $1$DGA80:[VMS$COMMON.ABS.RESTORE]  >  > RESTORE_DB_FD.09-JUL-2003;1  >  > Total of 1 file. >  >  > Help.......!!  >  > Greetings, >  > Piet Timmers   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:36:58 -0400 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com>* Subject: 36 x DS10L 617 for only USD20,000/ Message-ID: <vhaaq6b1ntrt93@news.supernews.com>    Yes- it's true   This is what you get:   * 36 x Alphaserver DS10L Systems 617Mhz EV67 256MBCompaq Memory per system  30GB 7200RPM IDE Disk in each  Dual 10/100 per system Mounted in 42U Cabinet  6 Total US$20,000 + $1400 shipping in EU, USA and Canada+ Other countries no problem - call for quote     That is a unit price of $556 !!!  I Note this offer is a consignment offer so we CANNOT split this ourselves.     Now find a P4 for that price !!!  H Unit prices are considerably higher, so take advantage of this offer for multiple departments.   " Call or email for more information   --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 04:34:56 -0700/ From: dan.williams@btconnect.com (Dan Williams) $ Subject: 4000 500 refuse to mop boot< Message-ID: <dd7df538.0307160334.7981a3f@posting.google.com>   -EZA0    1..0..    = %VAXcluster, system loaded from node OZZY (AA-00-04-00-01-04)   = %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk = %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk : %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping PAGEFILE.SYS on the System Disk< %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SAVEDUMP parameter not set to protect the PAGEFILE.SYS?    OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version V7.3     Major version id = 1 Minor  version id = 0? %DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0E.00   D I did already ask this question as a cluster problem but I have beenD playing a bit since. I was having problems getting this to boot as aA cluster satellite. But by doing the same thing I managed to get a F 4000/90 to boot into the cluster. The cluster now has three nodes (oneA not working). Could this be a hardware problem with this machine. D Although I don't know a hell of a lot about the 4000-500. I wouldn'tC of thought it would get this far with a network problem. Can anyone B shed any light on this ?. I have reposted the boot sequence again.   Thanks Dan     C %DECnet-W-NOOPEN, could not open SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]NET$CONFIG.DAT F %WBM-I-WBMINFO Write Bitmap has successfully completed initialization.5 %SYSINIT, waiting to form or join a VMScluster system F %PAB0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR  03060022/00000004/00000040  C %PAB0, Port is Reinitializing (  49 Retries Left).  Check the Error  Log.  F %PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR  03060022/00000004/00000040  C %PAA0, Port is Reinitializing (  49 Retries Left).  Check the Error  Log.  ( %CNXMAN,  lost connection to system OZZY> %CNXMAN,  sending VAXcluster membership request to system OZZY2 %CNXMAN,  re-established connection to system OZZY2 %CNXMAN,  now a VAXcluster member -- system MARVIN   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 03 05:16:34 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com ( Subject: Re: 4000 500 refuse to mop boot( Message-ID: <Yxa7UPqM+vZl@cpva.saic.com>  < In article <dd7df538.0307160334.7981a3f@posting.google.com>,2  dan.williams@btconnect.com (Dan Williams) writes: > -EZA0 
 >   1..0.. >  > ? > %VAXcluster, system loaded from node OZZY (AA-00-04-00-01-04)  > ? > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk ? > %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk < > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping PAGEFILE.SYS on the System Disk> > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SAVEDUMP parameter not set to protect the > PAGEFILE.SYSA >    OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version V7.3     Major version id = 1 Minor  > version id = 0A > %DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0E.00  > F > I did already ask this question as a cluster problem but I have beenF > playing a bit since. I was having problems getting this to boot as aC > cluster satellite. But by doing the same thing I managed to get a H > 4000/90 to boot into the cluster. The cluster now has three nodes (oneC > not working). Could this be a hardware problem with this machine. F > Although I don't know a hell of a lot about the 4000-500. I wouldn'tE > of thought it would get this far with a network problem. Can anyone D > shed any light on this ?. I have reposted the boot sequence again. >  > Thanks > Dan  >  > E > %DECnet-W-NOOPEN, could not open SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]NET$CONFIG.DAT H > %WBM-I-WBMINFO Write Bitmap has successfully completed initialization.7 > %SYSINIT, waiting to form or join a VMScluster system H > %PAB0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR  03060022/00000004/00000040 > E > %PAB0, Port is Reinitializing (  49 Retries Left).  Check the Error  > Log. > H > %PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR  03060022/00000004/00000040 > E > %PAA0, Port is Reinitializing (  49 Retries Left).  Check the Error  > Log. > * > %CNXMAN,  lost connection to system OZZY@ > %CNXMAN,  sending VAXcluster membership request to system OZZY4 > %CNXMAN,  re-established connection to system OZZY4 > %CNXMAN,  now a VAXcluster member -- system MARVIN  F PAx devices (CI, DSSI?) are having problems. Could be host adaptors orD cabling. Make sure the cables are properly seated and don't have anyG extreme bends or kinks. If you have access to the system disk you might 5 take a look at the content of this node's ERRLOG.SYS.    --   - Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:50:15 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> ( Subject: Re: 4000 500 refuse to mop boot/ Message-ID: <vhaihanj7hsdef@corp.supernews.com>    Dan Williams wrote:    [... snip ...]  H > %PAB0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR  03060022/00000004/00000040 > E > %PAB0, Port is Reinitializing (  49 Retries Left).  Check the Error  > Log. > H > %PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR  03060022/00000004/00000040 > E > %PAA0, Port is Reinitializing (  49 Retries Left).  Check the Error  > Log. > * > %CNXMAN,  lost connection to system OZZY@ > %CNXMAN,  sending VAXcluster membership request to system OZZY4 > %CNXMAN,  re-established connection to system OZZY4 > %CNXMAN,  now a VAXcluster member -- system MARVIN  > I'd guess that you don't have terminators on the 2 DSSI ports.< VMS will try to establish who else is on the DSSI bus, since8 it's a valid cluster communications medium.  Your actual% connection with OZZY is via Ethernet.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:24:43 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> ' Subject: Re: A rant about HP's website. , Message-ID: <3f15754f_4@news.chariot.net.au>   Hi Doc,    Doc.Cypher wrote: 7 > NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. : > No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.: > -------------------------------------------------------- > D > On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote: > M >>Doc.. could you give some exact url's you are  talking about. what page has  >>a bad url link on it? L >>what page says 'content starts here' and doesn't display anything? this is5 >>usually a table problem not a deliberate attempt to  >>make the page not show up. >>M >>The problem with making sure everything works with LYNX just adds about 20+ = >>more systems things have to be checked on. Which version of L >>LYNX on what platform do you want to make sure things work on? is it ok ifH >>it works with the version on NSK but not the one on MPE? how about VMSL >>V5.5-2? or OSF1? or non-HP systems.. We do try to make sure things work onN >>the most common browsers that our users (of specific areas) use. I make sureK >>for instanance that the OpenVMS site works on Netscape 3.03b. I figure if J >>that works then most will. It is after all 1996 technology so everythingI >>that's been created since then doesn't much work. thats 7 years of back 
 >>support. >>K >>so please put in the specfiic url's that don't work. I checked www.hp.com K >>with lynx v2.8.2 rel.1 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 and navigated that page. You ! >>don't give any other page url's  >  > K > Sorry for not being more specific.  I'd built the Openssl.org kit the day 0 > before, then discovered Python didn't like it. > O > The front page worked fine with Lynx, I then used Search to look for "OpenVMS  > OpenSSL download". > 2 > I got as far as the ITAR stuff with Lynx, that's > ? > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ssl/ssl_terms.html  > + > I think the page that gave the error was:  > B > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ssl/ssl_register.html > L > I can't be certain because I'm not a Lynx expert and it doesn't by default > show URLs. > N > Anyway, I got the kit and installed it, I need to look into why WASD doesn'tO > like it though.  I've recompiled WASD against this kit, but get the following  > error on startup:  > = > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image SSL$LIBCRYPTO_SHR32  > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file; > <disk>:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]SSL$LIBCRYPTO_SHR32.EXE;1 M > -SYSTEM-F-PRIVINSTALL, shareable images must be installed to run privileged  > image   A The 8.2/8.3 (at least) supplied STARTUP.COM should allow for this     >$    IF WASD_VMS_SSL  >$    THEN =  >$!      (ensure VMS OpenSSL shareable images are INSTALLed) J  >$       IF .NOT. F$FILE("SYS$LIBRARY:SSL$LIBCRYPTO_SHR32.EXE","KNOWN") -3  >           THEN INSTALL ADD /OPEN /HEADER /SHARE  # SYS$LIBRARY:SSL$LIBCRYPTO_SHR32.EXE G  >$       IF .NOT. F$FILE("SYS$LIBRARY:SSL$LIBSSL_SHR32.EXE","KNOWN") - 3  >           THEN INSTALL ADD /OPEN /HEADER /SHARE    SYS$LIBRARY:SSL$LIBSSL_SHR32.EXE  >$    ENDIF  H The images just need to be INSTALLed (nothing special) because the WASD  images are.   I > I don't know if this is an issue with WASD, or something I've missed in  > setting up SSL.  > L > I do have the SSL$STARTUP.COM run at boot, and the utils setup in SYLOGIN. > P > BTW Warren, you might want to discuss with people whether or not you'll acceptP > nym.alias.net email addresses for download of software with such restrictions.O > Of course, you'd need to combine that with checking for connections via a web O > proxy if you really want to make sure the Taliban-in-Exile aren't downloading  > this stuff. :) >  >  > Doc.  0 PS. tried mailing direct @ mung but was refused.  F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2003 08:30:40 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) " Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem0 Message-ID: <bf32fg$5le$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  f In article <bf1qgh$9i8in$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes:A >"Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote in message + >news:bf1bb0$hqu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de... 	 >> Hello,  >>I >> I have a disk which has been initialized by a no longer existing user. G >> A DIR/SEC on the toplevel reveals INDEXF.SYS belonging to this user.  >> So I did a:: >>  BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOALIAS disk_in_question >someplace:disk.bck/SAVE >> Next I initialized the disk: ? >>  INIT/SYSTEM/OWNER=SYSTEM/HEADER=2000 disk_in_question label " >>  MOUNT/FOREIGN disk_in_questionJ >>  BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINITIALIZE/LOG someplace:disk.bck/SAVE disk_in_questionL >> But I still end up with an INDEXF.SYS belonging to the non-existent user.G >> The INDEXF.SYS is not extended during the backup. After the init and  >before H >> the backup INDEXF.SYS belongs to SYSTEM, afterwards no more. There is
 >obviously+ >> no difference between /INIT and /NOINIT.  >>. >> What is wrong?  OpenVMS 7.3-1 plus patches. >> > D >Clearly backup is restoring some of the original file attributes to >INDXF.SYS. 0 >Have you tried doing a '$ set file/owner ...' ?  L Yes, but as INDEXF.SYS is open while the disk is mounted you can't apply the changes.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2003 08:31:53 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) " Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem0 Message-ID: <bf32hp$5le$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  q In article <hxLDO1FUuNel@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: g >In article <bf1bb0$hqu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: J >> I have a disk which has been initialized by a no longer existing user. G >> A DIR/SEC on the toplevel reveals INDEXF.SYS belonging to this user.  >> So I did a:R >>  BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOALIAS disk_in_question someplace:disk.bck/SAVE >> Next I initialized the disk: ? >>  INIT/SYSTEM/OWNER=SYSTEM/HEADER=2000 disk_in_question label " >>  MOUNT/FOREIGN disk_in_questionJ >>  BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINITIALIZE/LOG someplace:disk.bck/SAVE disk_in_questionL >> But I still end up with an INDEXF.SYS belonging to the non-existent user.N >> The INDEXF.SYS is not extended during the backup. After the init and beforeR >> the backup INDEXF.SYS belongs to SYSTEM, afterwards no more. There is obviously+ >> no difference between /INIT and /NOINIT.  > H >   There is a difference, but that's not it.  Why not save all the work >   and try  > " >      $help set volume /owner_uic  B Didn't help either. INDEXF.SYS still belongs to the unwanted user.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 07:24:42 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org" Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem3 Message-ID: <ahsF2xj+5MJB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <bf32hp$5le$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:s > In article <hxLDO1FUuNel@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: h >>In article <bf1bb0$hqu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:K >>> I have a disk which has been initialized by a no longer existing user.  H >>> A DIR/SEC on the toplevel reveals INDEXF.SYS belonging to this user. >>> So I did a: S >>>  BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOALIAS disk_in_question someplace:disk.bck/SAVE   >>> Next I initialized the disk:@ >>>  INIT/SYSTEM/OWNER=SYSTEM/HEADER=2000 disk_in_question label# >>>  MOUNT/FOREIGN disk_in_question K >>>  BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINITIALIZE/LOG someplace:disk.bck/SAVE disk_in_question M >>> But I still end up with an INDEXF.SYS belonging to the non-existent user. O >>> The INDEXF.SYS is not extended during the backup. After the init and before S >>> the backup INDEXF.SYS belongs to SYSTEM, afterwards no more. There is obviously , >>> no difference between /INIT and /NOINIT. >>I >>   There is a difference, but that's not it.  Why not save all the work  >>   and try >># >>      $help set volume /owner_uic  > D > Didn't help either. INDEXF.SYS still belongs to the unwanted user.  C I was wondering whether that would reach into INDEXF.SYS or whether 4 it would merely twiddle some bits in the home block.  < Obviously this isn't a system disk.  So it probably does not; have any directory aliases that need to be preserved and no @ boot blocks that need to be created.  This means that you can do; a non-/IMAGE restore (even from a /IMAGE backup) and get an  equivalent disk.  8 $ BACKUP tape:save.set /SAVE disk:[*...] /OWNER=ORIGINAL  > If you have files in the [000000] directory, you might want to follow up with    B $ BACKUP tape:save.set /SAVE /SELECT=[000000]*.*;* disk:[000000] -  /OWNER=ORIGINAL  C A /IMAGE restore would preserve file ID's.  Your non-/IMAGE restore , will not.  But typically that's a non-issue.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:13:00 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>" Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem9 Message-ID: <bf3ich$aitrq$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>   / On 16-Jul-2003 10:31, Christoph Gartmann wrote:   s > In article <hxLDO1FUuNel@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: h >>In article <bf1bb0$hqu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:K >>> I have a disk which has been initialized by a no longer existing user.  H >>> A DIR/SEC on the toplevel reveals INDEXF.SYS belonging to this user. >>> So I did a: S >>>  BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOALIAS disk_in_question someplace:disk.bck/SAVE   >>> Next I initialized the disk:@ >>>  INIT/SYSTEM/OWNER=SYSTEM/HEADER=2000 disk_in_question label# >>>  MOUNT/FOREIGN disk_in_question K >>>  BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINITIALIZE/LOG someplace:disk.bck/SAVE disk_in_question M >>> But I still end up with an INDEXF.SYS belonging to the non-existent user. O >>> The INDEXF.SYS is not extended during the backup. After the init and before S >>> the backup INDEXF.SYS belongs to SYSTEM, afterwards no more. There is obviously , >>> no difference between /INIT and /NOINIT. >>I >>   There is a difference, but that's not it.  Why not save all the work  >>   and try >># >>      $help set volume /owner_uic  > D > Didn't help either. INDEXF.SYS still belongs to the unwanted user.   Did you try   2 	BACKUP ... input-spec output-spec /BY_OWNER=[uic]  D According to the "System Management Utilities Reference Manual" thisC will change the owner of the restored file. (But I'm not sure about  INDEXF.SYS)    Michael    --    @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:39:15 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> " Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem/ Message-ID: <vhahsnrpu4bo06@corp.supernews.com>    Christoph Gartmann wrote: s > In article <hxLDO1FUuNel@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > h >>In article <bf1bb0$hqu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: >>J >>>I have a disk which has been initialized by a no longer existing user. G >>>A DIR/SEC on the toplevel reveals INDEXF.SYS belonging to this user.  >>>So I did a:R >>> BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOALIAS disk_in_question someplace:disk.bck/SAVE >>>Next I initialized the disk: ? >>> INIT/SYSTEM/OWNER=SYSTEM/HEADER=2000 disk_in_question label " >>> MOUNT/FOREIGN disk_in_questionJ >>> BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINITIALIZE/LOG someplace:disk.bck/SAVE disk_in_questionL >>>But I still end up with an INDEXF.SYS belonging to the non-existent user.N >>>The INDEXF.SYS is not extended during the backup. After the init and beforeR >>>the backup INDEXF.SYS belongs to SYSTEM, afterwards no more. There is obviously+ >>>no difference between /INIT and /NOINIT.  >>H >>  There is a difference, but that's not it.  Why not save all the work >>  and try  >>" >>     $help set volume /owner_uic >  > D > Didn't help either. INDEXF.SYS still belongs to the unwanted user.  & Well, here I go again championing DFU.  D Repeat the mantra:  DFU is my best friend, DFU is my best friend ...   $ dire/own indexf    Directory DISK$DATA:[000000]  + INDEXF.SYS;1           63009/63009    [1,1]   $ Total of 1 file, 63009/63009 blocks.  	 $ mcr dfu   4       Disk and File Utilities for OpenVMS DFU V2.7-A       Freeware version2       Copyright  2000 COMPAQ Computer Corporation  1 DFU> set indexf.sys/ignore=interlock/owner=system = %DFU-S-MODIFIED, File DISK$DATA:[000000]INDEXF.SYS;1 modified    %DFU-I-READY, SET command ready 
 DFU>  Exit   $  dire/own indexf   Directory DISK$DATA:[000000]  . INDEXF.SYS;1           63009/63009    [SYSTEM]  $ Total of 1 file, 63009/63009 blocks.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 08:28:30 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org" Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem3 Message-ID: <UG7G3jLybAH2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <bf3ich$aitrq$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:
 > Did you try  > 4 > 	BACKUP ... input-spec output-spec /BY_OWNER=[uic]  : *OUCH* Change the ownership of every file on the volume in, order to change the ownership of INDEXF.SYS.  B And it turns out not to affect the ownership of [000000]INDEXF.SYS   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2003 12:33:30 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) " Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem0 Message-ID: <bf3gmq$bc5$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  T In article <ahsF2xj+5MJB@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > D >I was wondering whether that would reach into INDEXF.SYS or whether5 >it would merely twiddle some bits in the home block.  > = >Obviously this isn't a system disk.  So it probably does not < >have any directory aliases that need to be preserved and noA >boot blocks that need to be created.  This means that you can do < >a non-/IMAGE restore (even from a /IMAGE backup) and get an >equivalent disk.  > 9 >$ BACKUP tape:save.set /SAVE disk:[*...] /OWNER=ORIGINAL  > ? >If you have files in the [000000] directory, you might want to  >follow up with  > C >$ BACKUP tape:save.set /SAVE /SELECT=[000000]*.*;* disk:[000000] -  > /OWNER=ORIGINAL  > D >A /IMAGE restore would preserve file ID's.  Your non-/IMAGE restore- >will not.  But typically that's a non-issue.   O This way it worked. But while we are at it: how would one achieve the same goal 8 (changing the ownership of INDEXF.SYS) on a system disk?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2003 13:52:41 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) " Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem0 Message-ID: <bf3lb9$d6d$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  T In article <UG7G3jLybAH2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:a >In article <bf3ich$aitrq$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:  >> Did you try >>  5 >> 	BACKUP ... input-spec output-spec /BY_OWNER=[uic]  > ; >*OUCH* Change the ownership of every file on the volume in - >order to change the ownership of INDEXF.SYS.  > C >And it turns out not to affect the ownership of [000000]INDEXF.SYS   I Roy Omond's tip with DFU did the trick. I didn't know about it but I just " installed it from the freeware CD.   Thanks   Christoph Gartmann   --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieA  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:40:53 -0400 8 From: Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> Subject: Re: Burning a CD? or?' Message-ID: <3F1555E5.91A3BB1B@vcu.edu>   @ I caution you to burn more than 2 copies.  I've made my share of "coasters"....   Jim     	 > Thanks,  > Robert     --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"  F "I try not to be right any more than necessary". -- Larry Wall, author of the Perl Language   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:41:18 -0400 8 From: Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> Subject: Re: Burning a CD? or?' Message-ID: <3F1555FE.53D10E51@vcu.edu>    Bob Koehler wrote: > W > In article <bf1oam$9bq$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu () writes:  > > F > > Well, I was just thinking that for the first several years I had a > > 2000 block quota...  > H >    IIRC 100 blocks was what they gave us.  Had to purge often and keepF >    nonvolatile files on a Files-11 tape.  Fortran didn't mind.  GoodG >    thing no one else new how to compile from a Files-11 tape, we only  >    had one drive.    *BOGGLE*....   jim    --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"  F "I try not to be right any more than necessary". -- Larry Wall, author of the Perl Language   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2003 15:24:40 GMT' From: morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu ()  Subject: Re: Burning a CD? or?+ Message-ID: <bf3qno$j2m$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>   , "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes:3 > <morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu> wrote in message  []E >> While the boss is being very nice about it eventually I'm going to D >> have to move 15 years worth of accumulated files off the AS 1000A: >> (which will also disappear after I go) running VMS 7.1. > I > If the machine is to follow you out of the door, would they allow that   > to be literally?/ > Would you want to have a VMS system at home ?   D I'd love it, vt220 and all, however I work for the state and nothingC with that big of an original purchase cost would be allowed to walk A out, it all has to go downstate for surplus availability to other F state institutions and then for surplus sales.  Not that anybody wouldF be interested ... maybe I could bribe somebody with a surplus purchase license to buy it for me :-).   ( Thanks for the suggestion, all the same.   Robert   > John Travell   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:35:05 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? ' Message-ID: <bf2vcv$2hb$1@lore.csc.com>    "Doc.Cypher" wrote:  >  >  > <snip> >  > >No /ENCRPYPT switch.  > K > I believe it was Nic Clews who updated PGP to work on VMS again.  Failing 1 > that, I can put together a version I have here.  > P > If Nic isn't submitting his effort for the next Freeware I'll tidy the build I > have here and submit it.  G Um I guess I can submit it. The scenario is I have built PGP on VAX and D Alpha with 2048 bit support at VMS 6.2 and the "earliest" C compilerD that would work. The aim is it works at this and all versions above.  G I used so many different distributions and lumps, I don't recall now if G it's the RSAREF version or not, I *think* the Alpha version is not, the  VAX, I'm not too sure.  F The other thing is I suppose I need to add a disclaimer that if/when IF do make it publicly available, that you are not knowingly importing orE using code which is subject to export controls. This may well keep it H off the Freeware, Hoff went to a lot of trouble getting CSWS through the$ door due to the level of encryption.  H The other issue here is a principle of PGP. *I* have built the code intoH an executable. The user guide suggests you should build your own copy so: you know the source of the code. (Nice unintentional pun!)  @ I was similarly going to have a dabble with the GnuPG on VMS 6.2C systems, *I know* it says not supported, but I'm going to give it a  shot.   E While we are on the subject of ZIP and encryption, I don't claim that D the compression level of PGP, or it's use is as good as ZIP, but theA compression offered by PGP could be considered as an alternative.  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:07:27 +0200 , From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@hp.com>! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?X* Message-ID: <3f150d0e@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  2 "David Gray" <police@spamcop.net> wrote in message2 news:5b78hvciuc1m1beeb1oidkq8o9dilnel91@4ax.com...  B > I downloaded a new distribution of zip and unzip, set up the CLI0 > version of ZIP and this is what it gives me... >a ...o > No /ENCRPYPT switch. >P ...I > >David Gray wrote: > >> Greetings all,  > >>F > >> Can Zip encrypt files?   My version of zip (2.3) does not mentionI > >> anything on the help screen about encruption, but reading the manual / > >> it appears that the switch -e can be used.D > >> > >> Any ideas?D > >>
 > >> Dave. >I   Hi,p  / Try zip from ftp://ftp.icce.rug.nl/infozip/VMS/p  , there are executables build with encription.     Best, Gorazd   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 09:39:04 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>q! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt? 5 Message-ID: <20030716093904.7004.qmail@gacracker.org>   @ On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote: >"Doc.Cypher" wrote:  	 >> <snip>e >> W >> >No /ENCRPYPT switch. >> eL >> I believe it was Nic Clews who updated PGP to work on VMS again.  Failing2 >> that, I can put together a version I have here. >>  I >> If Nic isn't submitting his effort for the next Freeware I'll tidy thei
 >> build I >> have here and submit it.n > H >Um I guess I can submit it. The scenario is I have built PGP on VAX andE >Alpha with 2048 bit support at VMS 6.2 and the "earliest" C compilereE >that would work. The aim is it works at this and all versions above.e   Great!  N Can you email help@redneck.gacracker.org and bundle the returned file with it? :>  H >I used so many different distributions and lumps, I don't recall now ifH >it's the RSAREF version or not, I *think* the Alpha version is not, the >VAX, I'm not too sure.e  H IIRC, the RSA patent has expired so no need to worry about that anymore.  G >The other thing is I suppose I need to add a disclaimer that if/when I G >do make it publicly available, that you are not knowingly importing orpF >using code which is subject to export controls. This may well keep itI >off the Freeware, Hoff went to a lot of trouble getting CSWS through thel% >door due to the level of encryption.s  D The problem is export from the US where it might still be classed as
 munitions.  I >The other issue here is a principle of PGP. *I* have built the code intoeI >an executable. The user guide suggests you should build your own copy soc; >you know the source of the code. (Nice unintentional pun!)w  I Some bizarre signing against the source went on for one of the recent PGPoJ builds, sorry I don't know more about this.  If you or OVMS Engineering do@ include .OBJ or .EXE files, you can include signatures for them.  F >While we are on the subject of ZIP and encryption, I don't claim thatE >the compression level of PGP, or it's use is as good as ZIP, but the-B >compression offered by PGP could be considered as an alternative.  L Probably not as good as when you force ZIP to maximum compression, but PGP's6 compression was lifted from ZIP when PRZ developed it.  ' Do you have a current URL for download?n  N The version I have was done by Janis Jagars (aka Disastry).  His MULTI versionN supports up to 8192 bit keys and a swathe of extra ciphers.  Sadly, Janis died- in a climbing accident on October 31st, 2002.   4 Len Sassaman's obituary for Disastry can be found at- http://mixmaster.sourceforge.net/disastry.txt1     Doc. -- tK OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.=K [New PGP Key - Get via finger]        http://deathrow.vistech.net/BOFH/doc/R   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:15:26 +0100=% From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net>e! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?s8 Message-ID: <8dnahvk22vq4q1lvm8qm6btg0p0tifidtf@4ax.com>  + Got a version that will do encryption from    $  ftp://ftp.icce.rug.nl/infozip/VMS/   ! Thanks again to all who replied.     Cheers,N 	Dave. o  C On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:40:23 +0100, David Gray <police@spamcop.net>i wrote:   >0 >Greetings all,  >DB >Can Zip encrypt files?   My version of zip (2.3) does not mentionE >anything on the help screen about encruption, but reading the manual0- >it appears that the switch -e can be used.  $ >M >Any ideas?  >S >Dave. D >- >  >3! >Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIPO& >Type 'zip "-L"' for software license.? >Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999). Usage: zip=="$disk:[dir]zip.exe" D >zip [-options] [-b path] [-t mmddyyyy] [-n suffixes] [zipfile list] >[-xi list],E >  The default action is to add or replace zipfile entries from list,u >which= >  can include the special name - to compress standard input.eC >  If zipfile and list are omitted, zip compresses stdin to stdout.xE >  -f   freshen: only changed files  -u   update: only changed or new  >filesC >  -d   delete entries in zipfile    -m   move into zipfile (deletet >files) G >  -r   recurse into directories     -j   junk (don't record) directoryl >namesE >  -0   store only                   -l   convert LF to CR LF (-ll CRa
 >LF to LF)9 >  -1   compress faster              -9   compress better A >  -q   quiet operation              -v   verbose operation/printa
 >version infos= >  -c   add one-line comments        -z   add zipfile commentfG >  -@   read names from stdin        -o   make zipfile as old as latestG >entryD >  -x   exclude the following names  -i   include only the following >names@ > "-F"  fix zipfile("-FF" try harder) "-D"  do not add directory >entries= > "-A"  adjust self-extracting exe  "-J"  junk zipfile prefixn >(unzipsfx) G > "-T"  test zipfile integrity      "-X"  eXclude eXtra file attributes3B > "-V"  save VMS file attributes     -w   append version number to >stored name$ >  -R   PKZIP recursion (see manual)G >  -h   show this help               -n   don't compress these suffixesS   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:13:47 +0100S% From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net> ! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?a8 Message-ID: <sbnahvstri6mgq88ddcrhgps22irnk0e4p@4ax.com>   That will do nicely.     Thanks,n 	Dave. i  3 On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:07:27 +0200, "Gorazd Kikelj"a <gorazd.kikelj@hp.com> wrote:    >i3 >"David Gray" <police@spamcop.net> wrote in messageI3 >news:5b78hvciuc1m1beeb1oidkq8o9dilnel91@4ax.com...s >tC >> I downloaded a new distribution of zip and unzip, set up the CLIg1 >> version of ZIP and this is what it gives me...t >> >... >> No /ENCRPYPT switch.  >> >... >> >David Gray wrote:  >> >> Greetings all, >> >>mG >> >> Can Zip encrypt files?   My version of zip (2.3) does not mentionlJ >> >> anything on the help screen about encruption, but reading the manual0 >> >> it appears that the switch -e can be used. >> >>c >> >> Any ideas? >> >>  >> >> Dave.- >> >  >Hi, > 0 >Try zip from ftp://ftp.icce.rug.nl/infozip/VMS/ >N- >there are executables build with encription.i >z >o
 >Best, Gorazda >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:48:34 +0100P% From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net>P! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?e8 Message-ID: <orsahv8pduocobe0amacasak4krk8gmsbl@4ax.com>  E Ok I give in.  Can anyone give the URL of a site that carries the CLIi3 version of VMS UNzip that also does decryption???? o   Dave.       C On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:15:26 +0100, David Gray <police@spamcop.net>i wrote:   >s >e, >Got a version that will do encryption from  >s% > ftp://ftp.icce.rug.nl/infozip/VMS/ m > " >Thanks again to all who replied.  >- >Cheers, >	Dave.  >JD >On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:40:23 +0100, David Gray <police@spamcop.net> >wrote:e >  >> >>Greetings all, Y >>C >>Can Zip encrypt files?   My version of zip (2.3) does not mentiontF >>anything on the help screen about encruption, but reading the manual. >>it appears that the switch -e can be used.   >>
 >>Any ideas? O >> >>Dave.  >> >>   >>" >>Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP' >>Type 'zip "-L"' for software license.T@ >>Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999). Usage: zip=="$disk:[dir]zip.exe"E >>zip [-options] [-b path] [-t mmddyyyy] [-n suffixes] [zipfile list]T >>[-xi list]F >>  The default action is to add or replace zipfile entries from list, >>which > >>  can include the special name - to compress standard input.D >>  If zipfile and list are omitted, zip compresses stdin to stdout.F >>  -f   freshen: only changed files  -u   update: only changed or new >>files.D >>  -d   delete entries in zipfile    -m   move into zipfile (delete >>files)H >>  -r   recurse into directories     -j   junk (don't record) directory >>namessF >>  -0   store only                   -l   convert LF to CR LF (-ll CR >>LF to LF)h: >>  -1   compress faster              -9   compress betterB >>  -q   quiet operation              -v   verbose operation/print >>version info> >>  -c   add one-line comments        -z   add zipfile commentH >>  -@   read names from stdin        -o   make zipfile as old as latest >>entrynE >>  -x   exclude the following names  -i   include only the following  >>nameslA >> "-F"  fix zipfile("-FF" try harder) "-D"  do not add directory 	 >>entriess> >> "-A"  adjust self-extracting exe  "-J"  junk zipfile prefix >>(unzipsfx)H >> "-T"  test zipfile integrity      "-X"  eXclude eXtra file attributesC >> "-V"  save VMS file attributes     -w   append version number to0
 >>stored name0% >>  -R   PKZIP recursion (see manual)nH >>  -h   show this help               -n   don't compress these suffixes   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:23:39 -0500o( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?,1 Message-ID: <03071611233929@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e  G > Ok I give in.  Can anyone give the URL of a site that carries the CLIM5 > version of VMS UNzip that also does decryption???? a >  > Dave.    No need to -     $ zip test.zip; *.;y    adding: CHANGES (deflated 63%)   adding: MANUAL (deflated 64%)L   adding: README (deflated 55%)-!   adding: WHATSNEW (deflated 43%)e   adding: WHERE (deflated 68%)   $ zipcloak :== $zipcloak.exe $ zipcloak test.zip; Enter password:                t Verify password:               p encrypting: changesa encrypting: manual encrypting: readme encrypting: whatsnew encrypting: whereP   $ unzip test.zip Archive:  TEST.ZIP;1 [TEST.ZIP;1] changes password:8 replace changes? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: A   inflating: changes   inflating: manual0   inflating: readme    inflating: whatsnewi   inflating: where       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administratorc* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:49:22 +0100c% From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net>o! Subject: Re: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?V8 Message-ID: <ie0bhv4ec4tkghl7cqlidfqflf348gr5oj@4ax.com>  F Yeah I got ZIPCLOAK but was hopping to do the ZIP/Encrypt  ZIP/Decrypt all in one hit.  r   Cheers,  	Dave. m  F On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:23:39 -0500, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote:  H >> Ok I give in.  Can anyone give the URL of a site that carries the CLI6 >> version of VMS UNzip that also does decryption????  >> c	 >> Dave. n >b
 >No need to -e >  >s >$ zip test.zip; *.;! >  adding: CHANGES (deflated 63%)o  >  adding: MANUAL (deflated 64%)  >  adding: README (deflated 55%)" >  adding: WHATSNEW (deflated 43%) >  adding: WHERE (deflated 68%)  >- >$ zipcloak :== $zipcloak.exe- >$ zipcloak test.zip;   >Enter password:                  >Verify password:                >encrypting: changes >encrypting: manualr >encrypting: readmea >encrypting: whatsnew> >encrypting: where >  >$ unzip test.zipo >Archive:  TEST.ZIP;1d >[TEST.ZIP;1] changes password: 9 >replace changes? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: Aa >  inflating: changes. >  inflating: manual >  inflating: readme >  inflating: whatsnew >  inflating: whereo >s >e >t >J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n >VMS Systems Administrator+ >firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:02:27 +0200o- From: "Sandrine Treheux" <satr@memo.ikea.com> 3 Subject: Re: Cheap Memory Options for Alpha Serversn, Message-ID: <bf3t7p$33q$1@mailgate.ikea.com>   Hej everybody,  )     Have you also tried in DS10 as well ?p     -- Sandrine Treheux VMS System Manager IKEA IT Services Paris    E "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> a crit dans le message de news:e2 d7791aa1.0307150440.6c569dc5@posting.google.com...5 > brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote in message'- news:<03071413393837@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>...hK > > Has anyone had any experience with using non-HP memory for use in Alpha'0 > > Servers?  Specifically DS20, ES40, or GS160? > >e > > What was the result? > >h > > Thoughts on why or why not?o > >h > > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > > VMS Systems Administratorw. > > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com >r8 > it definitely works fine in a ds20, and I believe es400 > also ... we have been using non dec memory w/o7 > problems for years ... give Dave at Island a call ...    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 09:10:51 -0700 From: rlfitch67@msn.com (RF)! Subject: DCL encryption techniquer= Message-ID: <bb72fed8.0307160810.526ffe4c@posting.google.com>   D Looking for a **simple** (and expedient) DCL encrytion technique for? encrypting (encoding??) a character string (1-30 characters) tog disguise (hide) string content.w   Any help is appreciated.   Ransom Fitch   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:57:09 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>H# Subject: Re: Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2s2 Message-ID: <CkoVP2jFQkluXqWtqA65HQ+e+bz6@4ax.com>  F On 15 Jul 2003 13:20:55 -0700, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) wrote:  G >Does anyone know if VMS 7.2-2 will run ok on an AlphaServer ES45?  TheSD >HP VMS website says 7.3 is the minimum OS support, but I was hopingE >they may have backported support in 7.2-2, or in one if its patches.  >EF >I have a mixed VMS 6.2 and VMS 7.2 cluster and I can't upgrade all ofF >the VMS 6.2 systems at the present time.  VMS 7.3 is not supported in& >a mixed version cluster with VMS 6.2.  E     We've had this discussion on comp.os.vms before.  There is a CPU tA routine specifically for the ES45 that is found in V7.3+ that is   absent in V7.2-2.h  A     I'm running a development cluster with the following versionsS of VMS booted:       VAX V6.2     Alpha V6.2     Alpha V7.1     Alpha V7.2-2     VAX V7.3     Alpha V7.3-1  < I've had no cluster related issues running with this type of0 configuration; of course, your mileage may vary.  ?     Reading the release notes for V7.3-2, *that* version of VMS : will only support a mixed version cluster with VAX V7.2 or
 Alpha V7.2-2.e  7     With the release of VMS731_UPDATE, you only need tof5 apply VMS731_PCSI and VMS731_UPDATE to bring a V7.3-1  system up to date.   David R. Beatty-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:59:46 -0400 & From: "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com># Subject: DVD compatibility with VMS./ Message-ID: <vhac5k4cge0m2c@news.supernews.com>-  H Can anyone give me a list of DVD's and CDRW that are compatible with VMS (and T64 if possible)   H I am getting asked quite often for these and have not been able to quote  H I know it comes down to the 512K block issue, but that is something BELL) Micro and other distys have no idea about8   David2   -- w David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation. 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180t Savannah GA 31404u Tel: 912 447 6622i Fax: 912 201 0402f Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 13:51:25 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) ' Subject: Re: DVD compatibility with VMSP- Message-ID: <3f153c3d$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>n  8 In article <vhac5k4cge0m2c@news.supernews.com>, "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:AJ |>Can anyone give me a list of DVD's and CDRW that are compatible with VMS |>(and T64 if possible)O |>J |>I am getting asked quite often for these and have not been able to quote |>J |>I know it comes down to the 512K block issue, but that is something BELL+ |>Micro and other distys have no idea about  |> |>David  |> |>-- b |>David B Turner! |>Island Computers US Corporationo |>2700 Gregory St., Suite 180/ |>Savannah GA 31404> |>Tel: 912 447 6622O |>Fax: 912 201 0402c |>Email: dbturner@hpaq.net |>http://www.hpaq.nett |> |> |>   DVD-ROM or DVD+-R(W)???S  J Compaq/HP offers an DVD-ROM-drive with IDE-interface supported by OpenVMS.  ; A test of a Pioneer SCSI-DVD-ROM gave the following result:e  D It reads CD-ROM/CD-R/CD-RW but is unable to access a ODS2-structured	 DVD-R(W).e  I The drive switches to 2048 Byte/IO as soon as a DVD is been inserted! The I small 2048<=>512 block converter program written by Glenn Everhart solves G this problem. I didn't test this program with other CD-R(W)-drives, but-G I'm pretty sure that many SCSI-CD-burners will work in the same way, if.J they do not have a "UNIX/512 Byte" jumper or being jumpered to 2048 byte / IO.3  < If you need DVD-burners, that work (read&write) with OpenVMS   seeo  : http://home.tiscali.de/dvd4openvms/supported_hardware.html   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 06:23:26 -0700/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell)s( Subject: Re: Good code profilers on VMS?< Message-ID: <79de9693.0307160523.6a84d77@posting.google.com>   > A > Additionally, the EDS teams are probably busy doing the DECnet,K? > X.25, SNA and DECset (and whatever else they manage) ports to.= > Itanium so my guess is that you'll have to hold your breathE > even longer. >   & Isn't DECWindows on that list as well?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:55:53 +0200V, From: Torsten Robitzki <Torsten@Robitzki.de>( Subject: Re: Good code profilers on VMS?* Message-ID: <3F158399.9090002@Robitzki.de>   Hi,t   <dcpi>  F > My reading of the docs suggests that it *will* let me monitor just aF > process and report on that, but I'm having trouble getting the right( > incantation together to get just that.  9 just get the PID (in decimal) from your process label it:  dcpictl labelpid my_label <PID>r= then you can get the monitor result for only this process by:a dcpiprof -label my_labelG This will give you an overview in what images the most events occurred.9   regards Torsten:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:00:54 +0200m, From: Torsten Robitzki <Torsten@Robitzki.de>( Subject: Re: Good code profilers on VMS?* Message-ID: <3F1584C6.5060601@Robitzki.de>   <snip>  A > I _have_ seen the problem that PCA cannot deal with DECthreads.j  G I've encountered the same problem with posix threads and found that it rI will work if you turn off kernel thread support for the image to profile.b  G > Certainly HP needs to put a _lot_ more emphasis on bringing PCA up ton > date.v  ? It's really frustrating if not even the examples in the online s documentation work.b   regards Torstenf   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 08:23:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense3 Message-ID: <Y7oOfXGHK0Pr@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  W In article <15JUL200321114996@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:t\ > In article <vh868q78ftpbcd@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> writes...+ > }Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:U > } < > }> AMD will also be able to build 64bit desktops something< > }> that you cannot do economically or easily with Itanium. > } 1 > }http://www.hp.com/workstations/itanium/zx2000/n > }  > }Web price $3298.t > }  > }-- 
 > }Greg CagleI > H > Which is not a good price for a PC, or a workstation for that matter -C > especially when you consider what you are getting at that price.   >   :    The rx2600 which I think is the cheapest thing actuallyD    supported for VMS I64 8.0 runs almost $60K US, stripped (via HP's$    web page when accessed as guest).      That's just plain sad.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 10:03:53 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense3 Message-ID: <K3duVfuB3Zmo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <15JUL200321114996@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:v  J > Of course a new low-end Itanium system with the newer faster versions ofH > the processor and other updates to todays standard component specs mayE > well be out before the Athlon64 systems, but how much will it cost?tF > If it is over $2000 in a decent configuration (like including an OS,H > at least) it is well over what an Athlon64 system is likely to run you! > in a rather nice configuration.   D 	I think that $3000+ priced Itanium is a very good price consideringA 	how much that 900 MHz Itanium costs.  A better box for technicalR? 	workstation should be coming in the $700 Deerfield.  You woulde= 	think you could get a dual-processor Deerfield for that samew@ 	$3000+ entry price, a single processor Deerfield WS for ~$2000.  ; 	The A64 isn't competing with that though.  The A64 will be>$ 	competing with Prescott, after all:  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10502h  L "On the other hand, if you are interested primarily in ordinary, single userG workstations, what does 64-bit addressing give you today? The answer isiN precious little. The needs of workstations have nothing to do with the matter,? and the move to 64-bit is being driven by server requirements."t  & 	A 3.06 GHz P4 workstation  does this:  -    SPECint_base2000                      1242I-    SPECfp_base2000                       1173A  B 	The 3.2 and 3.4 GHz Prescott with 800 MHz FSB will do better than 	that.     	1.8 GHz Opteron:n  -    SPECint_base2000                      1095i-    SPECfp_base2000                       1122t  F 	The A64 at 2.0 GHz will not be on par performance-wise with a 3.4 GHz 	Prescott.  Web Opinion:  N "So, why compare an Opteron to a P4? Because what we're really trying to do isF compare an Athlon64 to a P4. Since the Opteron is essentially a higherL bandwidth, bigger cache version of the Athlon64, it's reasonable to say thatM the Athlon64 will perform *at best* on par with an Opteron of the same speed.YM This assumes that AMD doesn't tweak the core of the Athlon64 in some way, but N this is highly unlikely given that AMD's trying to leverage economies of scale on the design side of things."  + 	But we can get a hint at A64 debut speeds:o  ? http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jun/bch20030619020485.htmp  O "There is a rumor from DigiTimes that AMD may begin supplying Athlon 64 CPUs to O motherboard makers in August. Apparently there will be small shipments of modeloH 3100 and model 3400 processors in August, which indicates that Athlon 64K processors should be available when the Athlon 64 is officially launched ineF September. More important, we now have a fairly good idea of Athlon 64D processor speeds. AMD has adamantly refused to state what the actualO clockspeeds of Athlon 64 will be, but we now have enough evidence to speculate.wN AMD will probably introduce the Athlon 64 in several flavors and speed grades.G The budget versions may have only 256 KB or 512 KB of L2 cache, but the O "performance" models will definitely have a full 1 MB of L2 cache. I'm guessingnN that there will be three speed grades for the Athlon 64: 1.6GHz (model 2800?),F 1.8GHz (model 3100?), and a top-of-the-line 2GHz model (model 3400?)."    B 	If AMD can't quickly crank the clock on A64, it may be a very sadH 	fall / 2004 for A64.  As the A64 parts we are looking at above won't be; 	doing very well at all versus a 3.4 GHz Prescott, right ate? 	the performance of a 3.06 GHz P4.   That gives Intel plenty ofnE 	headroom to drop that 3.06 GHz price to "way cheap" levels and make bH 	the A64 arrival dead-on-arrival (even at their "top-of-the-line" speed B 	grade).  We will know more by late October when Prescott and A64  	parts are shipping :-).   				Robl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:19:20 GMTg# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes SenseD Message-ID: <cWeRa.298$Ci2.136@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:K3duVfuB3Zmo@eisner.encompasserve.org...dB > In article <15JUL200321114996@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: >o@ > > Of course a new low-end Itanium system with the newer faster versions ofSF > > the processor and other updates to todays standard component specs may A > > well be out before the Athlon64 systems, but how much will itD cost?0D > > If it is over $2000 in a decent configuration (like including an OS,6F > > at least) it is well over what an Athlon64 system is likely to run you-# > > in a rather nice configuration.- >0E > I think that $3000+ priced Itanium is a very good price consideringeB > how much that 900 MHz Itanium costs.  A better box for technical@ > workstation should be coming in the $700 Deerfield.  You would> > think you could get a dual-processor Deerfield for that sameA > $3000+ entry price, a single processor Deerfield WS for ~$2000.f > < > The A64 isn't competing with that though.  The A64 will be% > competing with Prescott, after all:o >r+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10502  >-B > "On the other hand, if you are interested primarily in ordinary, single usernF > workstations, what does 64-bit addressing give you today? The answer isD > precious little. The needs of workstations have nothing to do with the matter,pA > and the move to 64-bit is being driven by server requirements."g >e' > A 3.06 GHz P4 workstation  does this:w >h/ >    SPECint_base2000                      1242e/ >    SPECfp_base2000                       1173. >oC > The 3.2 and 3.4 GHz Prescott with 800 MHz FSB will do better thanr > that.n >o > 1.8 GHz Opteron: >d/ >    SPECint_base2000                      1095n/ >    SPECfp_base2000                       1122  > C > The A64 at 2.0 GHz will not be on par performance-wise with a 3.4  GHzR > Prescott.  Web Opinion:e >l@ > "So, why compare an Opteron to a P4? Because what we're really trying to do isaA > compare an Athlon64 to a P4. Since the Opteron is essentially aO higherE > bandwidth, bigger cache version of the Athlon64, it's reasonable too say thatC > the Athlon64 will perform *at best* on par with an Opteron of theh same speed. F > This assumes that AMD doesn't tweak the core of the Athlon64 in some way, but= > this is highly unlikely given that AMD's trying to leverageM economies of scale  > on the design side of things." > , > But we can get a hint at A64 debut speeds: > A > http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jun/bch20030619020485.htme >nF > "There is a rumor from DigiTimes that AMD may begin supplying Athlon
 64 CPUs to> > motherboard makers in August. Apparently there will be small shipments of model@ > 3100 and model 3400 processors in August, which indicates that	 Athlon 64$A > processors should be available when the Athlon 64 is officiallys launched inrE > September. More important, we now have a fairly good idea of Athlone 64F > processor speeds. AMD has adamantly refused to state what the actualF > clockspeeds of Athlon 64 will be, but we now have enough evidence to
 speculate.B > AMD will probably introduce the Athlon 64 in several flavors and
 speed grades.FE > The budget versions may have only 256 KB or 512 KB of L2 cache, butD theYD > "performance" models will definitely have a full 1 MB of L2 cache. I'm guessingA > that there will be three speed grades for the Athlon 64: 1.6GHz  (model 2800?),? > 1.8GHz (model 3100?), and a top-of-the-line 2GHz model (modelm 3400?)." >P >fC > If AMD can't quickly crank the clock on A64, it may be a very sad1F > fall / 2004 for A64.  As the A64 parts we are looking at above won't be< > doing very well at all versus a 3.4 GHz Prescott, right at@ > the performance of a 3.06 GHz P4.   That gives Intel plenty ofE > headroom to drop that 3.06 GHz price to "way cheap" levels and makeBB > the A64 arrival dead-on-arrival (even at their "top-of-the-line" speedrB > grade).  We will know more by late October when Prescott and A64 > parts are shipping :-).t    	 Sure Rob.aE What you say makes 'logical' sense, but when did that ever enter intor *most* purchasing decisions?  D The big question is not how fast Intel drops chip prices, but ratherD how fast HP drops *system* prices to competitive levels. In fact the? argument can be made that HP ought to be dropping system prices-> several months ahead of the chip curve in order to squeeze the& competition......but HP won't do that.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 12:23:45 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)I4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense3 Message-ID: <TJ2fAspBXIAg@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  j In article <cWeRa.298$Ci2.136@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:K3duVfuB3Zmo@eisner.encompasserve.org...m   >>D >> If AMD can't quickly crank the clock on A64, it may be a very sadG >> fall / 2004 for A64.  As the A64 parts we are looking at above won'tr > be= >> doing very well at all versus a 3.4 GHz Prescott, right at2A >> the performance of a 3.06 GHz P4.   That gives Intel plenty ofrF >> headroom to drop that 3.06 GHz price to "way cheap" levels and makeC >> the A64 arrival dead-on-arrival (even at their "top-of-the-line"d > speediC >> grade).  We will know more by late October when Prescott and A64l >> parts are shipping :-). >  >  > Sure Rob.oG > What you say makes 'logical' sense, but when did that ever enter into  > *most* purchasing decisions? > F > The big question is not how fast Intel drops chip prices, but ratherF > how fast HP drops *system* prices to competitive levels. In fact theA > argument can be made that HP ought to be dropping system pricesi@ > several months ahead of the chip curve in order to squeeze the( > competition......but HP won't do that. >   G 	Forget HP, watch Dell.  That 3.06 GHz P4 will be close in performance  F 	to 2.0 GHz A64.  HP prices won't be that far off.  Point is the real A 	danger is that 3.06 GHz shipping system *may be* cheaper than a eD 	"performance" A64 syst.  If cheaper by few hundred , A64 is a very  	hard sell indeed!   				Rob,   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:24:53 -0400u* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense2 Message-ID: <jQSdnVmYirHsF4iiXTWJjg@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:PceMZmAv3q$Z@eisner.encompasserve.org...a   ...n     The 1 GHz Deerfield willD > burn 62 watts and do about the same numbers as a 1.8 GHz Opteron / > 1 GHz McKinley.u  F Are you really that arithmetically-challenged, Rob?  Or just abysmallyI ignorant?  Or perhaps hoping to sneak across a blatant falsehood while nop one might be paying attention?  G A 1.8 GHz Opteron competes at least as closely (as always, excepting FPrE scores, which are interesting for HPC activity but rather less so fornK commercially-significant processing) with a 1.5 GHz Madison as it does witht a 1 GHz McKinley.o  K The respective SPECint base/peak scores for Opteron, McKinley, and Madison:a   1095/1170   810/-   1318/-  3 But if you're not using the HP-UX Itanic2 compiler:    1095/1170   683/683   1077/1077e  9 The respective 4-processor SPECint_rate base/peak scores:   0 46.1/48.5   36.8/-   49.6 (estimated SGI result)  B The respective SPECfp base/peak scores (yup, Itanic2 shines here):   1122/1219   1431/1431   2104/-  8 The respective 4-processor SPECfp_rate base/peak scores:  ! 44.2/49.2   57.8/58.4   82.2/82.7a  0 The respective 4-processor SPECweb99_SSL scores:  & 3498   2280   3702 (unofficial result)  ( The respective 4-processor TPC-C scores:   82226   87741   121065  ) The respective 4-processor $/tpmC scores:a   $2.72   $5.03   $4.97    ...      AMD is fighting aa, > multi-prong battle with too few resources.  D Actually, AMD is fighting pretty much a single-prong battle using anG architecture that seems more than adequate for that task, while Intel's-L resources are divided between its successful P4/Xeon products and the so far- monumentally *un*successful Itanic2 products.n     The Prescott ise- > coming in October, at 3.4 GHz, 800 MHz FSB.v  K That should allow P4 to catch up with the 2 GHz Opteron that's appearing indK less than a month - except that the P4 isn't a server processor, so they'll $ be stuck with Xeons for a while yet.   >  Scaling to 5 GHz,  J Which, again, will just about allow Prescott to keep pace with the OpteronA as the latter scales to well over 3 GHz in its own 90 nm process.3   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:41:35 -0400e0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>. Subject: Re: New lexical function F$DELTA_TIME$ Message-ID: <3f157233$1@news.si.com>  H >I thought you might be interested  to know that with the next Alpha VMS# >version V7.3-2, we will ship a new- >lexical function F$DELTA_TIME.0
 ...snip...) >No it won't be backported to VAX 5.5-2 .-  + But will it be in OpenVMS VAX V7.x or V8.x?Z -- cI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com65 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. D 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991l8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:11:47 GMTt9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>iJ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships/ Message-ID: <7PeRa.153$Kk2.77@news.cpqcorp.net>   H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:fdXESu4TRndB@eisner.encompasserve.org...a; > In article <3F1438AE.4070005@NelsonUSA.com>, Alan Frisbiea <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> writes:h > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >rJ > >> I would wait until Christmas, when the first version will escape into theo+ > >> wild, and then ask the question again.V > >'B > > I have a delightful vision of "it" scampering out the door andD > > into the snow-covered hills of Nashua, with scores of developers > > in hot pursuit.   :-)  > G >    Does "it" have the silly bell shaped skirt I keep seeing rx2600 in 6 >    on HP's web site?  Sure makes them look unstable. >e  >    What is that skirt, anyhow?    K The rx2600 is a 2u 25" deep rack mount system.  It has an optional pedestalnB mount that is a set of plastic sides, that I guess is bell shaped.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:22:14 GMT." From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfactiony0 Message-ID: <00A22EF3.75804E59@SendSpamHere.ORG>  B In article <3f149f35.6179578@news>, Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz writes:D >On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:12:46 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >uq >>In article <CpCQa.63555$sI91.13096@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:wI >>>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1211&e=10&u=/ap/20030s5 >>>710/ap_on_hi_te/tech_s_best_and_worst&sid=95573371h >>>c) >>>Survey: HP, Compaq Flunk PC Users Teste; >>>Thu Jul 10, 4:17 PM ET  Add Technology - AP to My Yahoo!e >>>t >>>i) >>>By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, AP Business Writer  >>>dH >>>NEW YORK - The biggest merger in high-tech history may be a financialH >>>success for Hewlett-Packard Co. and the former Compaq Computer Corp.,H >>>but it hasn't made buyers of their computers any happier. Both brandsE >>>picked up terrible grades in an annual PC user satisfaction survey  >>>released Thursday.  >>>t> >>>Dell Computer Corp., on the other hand, continued to shine. >>>  >>>. >>>more....M >>> H >>>Meanwhile, HP and Compaq desktops both got an E - the lowest possibleF >>>grade - along with those by Acer Inc., eMachines Inc. and NEC Corp. >>>-G >>>HP had scored a D-minus last year, while Compaq had the scarlet E in E >>>2002, as well. When PC Magazine subscribers were asked about theireI >>>experiences in getting technical support or repair help, HP and Compaqt8 >>>scored worse than average in 12 out of 15 categories. >>>SE >>>To be sure, HP's $19 billion acquisition of Compaq last year nevernF >>>really was billed as a boon to consumers. The companies' main goalsD >>>were to streamline their PC divisions and strengthen products and$ >>>services for corporate customers. >>>hH >>>Still, the failing grades indicate how little progress HP has made inH >>>answering to competition from Dell, which regained the worldwide lead, >>>in PC sales from HP in the first quarter. >>>f
 >>>more... >>>s >>>ZG >>>I guess this means that any money for VMS advertising/marketing willtE >>>be shifted to the PeeCee side of the house to bolster HP's sagging,G >>>image there....after all, a satisfied PeeCee buyer is also a printer B >>>and printer ink buyer, and that's where HP's bread is buttered. >>E >>A PeeCee is a PeeCee.  They all use an intel or AMD chip capable of F >>executing BillyBloatWarez.  How is any one different than the other? >>G >>Comparing systems with the same memory, CPU, and drive hardware, whatf >>is the difference? >>--Q >>VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM 
 >>           -7 >>  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" p >>  >Support and reliability really.A >I'd say the user profiles of the different brands would be quiteoC >interesting, the less you know, the more you're likely to go for adE >"name" brand. And, the less you know the more likely you are to needi >technical support. F >So, the "name" brands are more likely to have to try and deliver techG >support to those that know less. And because PCs are sold as commoditycC >items then those that understand them less can actually break themeF >while just using them - i.e. delete some files because of a malicious
 >e-mail hoax.tG >Difficult to break the fridge because you removed the butter using the  >wrong hand!   Which hand might that be?  e  E One thing I like about the side-by-side refrigerator/freezer setup issF that the refrigerator side door is hinged on the right side and can beF opened with the right hand freeing the left to reach naturally for the contents within.  F What I don't like about the PeeCees I've had the misfortune to have toE use is that the mouse is curved like a banana to fit the right hand. GF It's rather uncomfortable and awkward to manipulate these devices withD the left hand.  The devices with the miniature billiard ball rollersE are nearly impossible to use.  For a similar experience, try holding nE your mouse in your hand and reach under and move the mouse ball with t/ your finder to position the pointer accurately.>   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            (5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2003 13:04:09 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfactiony9 Message-ID: <bf3ig9$aorh9$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>e  0 In article <00A22EF3.75804E59@sendspamhere.org>,# 	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:- > H > What I don't like about the PeeCees I've had the misfortune to have toG > use is that the mouse is curved like a banana to fit the right hand. oH > It's rather uncomfortable and awkward to manipulate these devices with > the left hand.    B You must buy the wrong mice.  Mine are all symetrical.  I have twoE systems on my desk here at work One on the right and one on the left.aB I use one mouse with my right hand and the other with my left.  NoB problems at all.  Of course, none of mine have mouse balls either.6 That was a technology I was very glad to see replaced.   bill   -- 3J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   p   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 08:21:13 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)'3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction 3 Message-ID: <HhTR84V48ckX@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  d In article <bf3ig9$aorh9$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > D > You must buy the wrong mice.  Mine are all symetrical.  I have twoG > systems on my desk here at work One on the right and one on the left. D > I use one mouse with my right hand and the other with my left.  NoD > problems at all.  Of course, none of mine have mouse balls either.8 > That was a technology I was very glad to see replaced.  D    While I like my padless optical mouse on my Macs, both the VXT inF    my office and my Alpha at home are equipped with the old DEC hockeyJ    pucks with two cylinders instead of a ball.  No asymetry and no need to	    clean.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:31:07 +0200e) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> 3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfactionr6 Message-ID: <3f1561ac$0$49110$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   Bob Koehler wrote:f > In article <bf3ig9$aorh9$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > D >>You must buy the wrong mice.  Mine are all symetrical.  I have twoG >>systems on my desk here at work One on the right and one on the left.rD >>I use one mouse with my right hand and the other with my left.  NoD >>problems at all.  Of course, none of mine have mouse balls either.8 >>That was a technology I was very glad to see replaced. >  > F >    While I like my padless optical mouse on my Macs, both the VXT inH >    my office and my Alpha at home are equipped with the old DEC hockeyL >    pucks with two cylinders instead of a ball.  No asymetry and no need to >    clean.i >   H Indeed, but unfortunately, those mice do not work on newer Alpha's with  a PS2 mouse interface.  	 Bart Zornd   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:16:51 GMT.  From: CJT <cheljuba@prodigy.net>3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfactionE* Message-ID: <3F157A94.6060606@prodigy.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  8 <snip>  Of course, none of mine have mouse balls either.8 > That was a technology I was very glad to see replaced. >  > bill >   
 Amen to that.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:18:35 -0700p, From: Ken Fairfield <My.Full.Name@intel.com>3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfactionn) Message-ID: <3F157ADB.7F5473AC@intel.com>A   Bob Koehler wrote: > f > In article <bf3ig9$aorh9$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >*F > > You must buy the wrong mice.  Mine are all symetrical.  I have twoI > > systems on my desk here at work One on the right and one on the left.0F > > I use one mouse with my right hand and the other with my left.  NoF > > problems at all.  Of course, none of mine have mouse balls either.: > > That was a technology I was very glad to see replaced. > F >    While I like my padless optical mouse on my Macs, both the VXT inH >    my office and my Alpha at home are equipped with the old DEC hockeyL >    pucks with two cylinders instead of a ball.  No asymetry and no need to >    clean.s  > I agree with the hockey-puck comment to a point: I always felt; the ball-mice did fine movements, and especially, diagonal  ? movements better than the "cylinder" versions.  The "cylinder" ); pucks wanted to be moved right-left or up-down, not both...t  > Another comment about the pucks is that _men_ tended to prefer8 them.  They're usually too large to be comfortable for a woman's hands.  ? I really don't like the "ergonomic" mice (or keyborads for thatc> matter) that have appeared over the last half decade.  For one= thing, my hands just don't do what these devices want them toa> do.  For another, they feel bulky (for my size hands) and hardA to move smoothely, seem exceedingly cheaply built and "rattle-y" i< compared to the hockey puck, or even the follow-on, slimmer C Logitech-style 3-button mouse (or indeed, the LK201's and LK401's).@   	-Keno --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfieldo" D1C Automation VMS System Support ) kenneth[dt]h[dt]fairfield[ta]intel[dt]comi   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:55:36 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG3 Subject: Re: OT: HP's PeeCee customer statisfaction 0 Message-ID: <00A22F22.085FE25A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <bf3ig9$aorh9$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:1 >In article <00A22EF3.75804E59@sendspamhere.org>,w$ >	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> sI >> What I don't like about the PeeCees I've had the misfortune to have toeH >> use is that the mouse is curved like a banana to fit the right hand. I >> It's rather uncomfortable and awkward to manipulate these devices withh >> the left hand.  * >*C >You must buy the wrong mice.  Mine are all symetrical.  I have twotF >systems on my desk here at work One on the right and one on the left.C >I use one mouse with my right hand and the other with my left.  NoyC >problems at all.  Of course, none of mine have mouse balls either.-7 >That was a technology I was very glad to see replaced.@  C I don't buy anything PeeCee.  This is what I get when I contract to.C go on-site and tell them that I expect a VT terminal or workstation(D to access their VMS machines.  Thank goodness that I used to do muchE editting on LA-xxx consoles of old 11/780s so my EDT line mode skillswD are quite polished.  Can't edit worth a shit with a PeeCee keyboard.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            m5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" C   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 11:49:59 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)eF Subject: PCSI producer and VMS facility name for Freeware/GPL Software3 Message-ID: <BOtqyLMTjde7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   > Has anybody proposed a resolution of the dichotomy between the= nature of nonproprietary software and the namespace divisionss provided by VMS and PCSI ?  @ I could port software to VMS giving it my own company's facilityA name on the images and my own company's producer-name on the PCSIs kits.s  ? But it isn't really our software, and even for GPL'd software If> know of no organization running herd on the namespace for some common producer code.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:04:10 -04006# From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates+ Message-ID: <3F15858A.5799FC92@adldata.com>s   Thomas Dickey wrote: > = > In comp.os.vms Kelvin Smith <fcs_smith1111@snet.net> wrote: P > > Well, at least one reason for the short variable names was so there would beK > > no confusion between variable names and keywords, an ambiguity that has7N > > tripped up more than one programmer since variable names got longer. ThereO > > would also have been space considerations; it's easy to forget now just how P > > frightfully expensive RAM was back then ($1 or more per byte, IIRC). Most of > , > iirc, it was "core" back then (late 60's).7 > "RAM" wasn't a commonly-used term til the early 70's.a  P All the RAM was core memory. There was also ROM. I remember getting a blank ROM O card. I programmed it by clipping diodes off the card. It was a boot program on O a diskless PDP-11 to conect and load application software from another PDP-11. i    BTW, did anyone mention dectape?   >  > (still expensive, of course) > K > >> BASIC was created at Dartmouth College by Kenemy & Kurtz as a teaching7J > >> aid, hoping it would be easier than other languages to learn.  I onceG > >> had a copy of their published text book.  The short variable namesmI > >> were probably for simplicity in writing the first BASIC interpreter.R > >> >  > --? > Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  > http://dickey.his.comc > ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 09:25:49 -0700/ From: dan.williams@btconnect.com (Dan Williams)>$ Subject: Re: Problems with licenses.= Message-ID: <dd7df538.0307160825.635c9c5f@posting.google.com>e  E Thnks eveyone for your help, the problem turned out to be the clustern' needed me to put a node on the license.i   Thanks Dan    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 04:48:28 -0700) From: Jennifer.Landberg@aksteel.com (Jen)a? Subject: Showing what processes are attached to a specific filei= Message-ID: <24189c60.0307160348.365ecd6f@posting.google.com>-  B We have a global common set up and we would like to be able to seeD what processes are attached to it.  When I do a show dev/file on theE disk that the file in question is on, it does not show up in the listc< of files being used.  I know that it is always being used byF something.  Is there another way I can see what processes are attached to the file?     Thanks,n Jenl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:00:59 +0200D( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL>C Subject: RE: Showing what processes are attached to a specific fileaC Message-ID: <6B80E71673E6D611AC1D0008C7F37BC2737D4D@wt15.wt.tno.nl>y  0 Is the following command doing what you require?  A pipe show dev /files userdisk221: | search sys$input pagefile.sys.   with< pagefile.sys being the name of the specific file you require   output show soemthing like:i0                 00000000  [SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS;1  + with 00000000 being the PID of the process.3O ormally the first coumn will be filled with the name of the process the file iss used by.     HTH,   Mark     -----Original Message-----# From: Jennifer.Landberg@aksteel.com & [mailto:Jennifer.Landberg@aksteel.com]% Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 13:48 ' To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms? Subject: Showing what processes are attached to a specific file3    B We have a global common set up and we would like to be able to seeD what processes are attached to it.  When I do a show dev/file on theE disk that the file in question is on, it does not show up in the listw< of files being used.  I know that it is always being used byF something.  Is there another way I can see what processes are attached to the file?     Thanks,( Jenc   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 08:31:08 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)aC Subject: Re: Showing what processes are attached to a specific filea3 Message-ID: <y60XTiaUmYAp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <24189c60.0307160348.365ecd6f@posting.google.com>, Jennifer.Landberg@aksteel.com (Jen) writes:iD > We have a global common set up and we would like to be able to seeF > what processes are attached to it.  When I do a show dev/file on theG > disk that the file in question is on, it does not show up in the listh> > of files being used.  I know that it is always being used byH > something.  Is there another way I can see what processes are attached > to the file?  G    If you set up a global common via INSTALL, "show device/files" will tI    show it as opened by 0000000.  There's no easy way to see who is usingf?    it, but "install list/full filespec" will show you how many.-  C    I'm not sure what you can get if you set up a global via $crmpscjD    but I think you can see the file via INSTALL even though it's not    installed as a known file.>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:45:33 +0100P- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>cC Subject: Re: Showing what processes are attached to a specific filed/ Message-ID: <vhalou1virohc1@corp.supernews.com>>  
 Jen wrote:D > We have a global common set up and we would like to be able to seeF > what processes are attached to it.  When I do a show dev/file on theG > disk that the file in question is on, it does not show up in the lista> > of files being used.  I know that it is always being used byH > something.  Is there another way I can see what processes are attached > to the file?  
 $ anal/sys SDA> set output x.xs SDA> show proc/channel all	 SDA> exitt  , $ search x.x "Name: ",globalsection.filename  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 08:58:39 -0500; From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)@5 Subject: Re: simple questions on generic batch queuesW3 Message-ID: <Q1wTdQQqIZS9@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  ` In article <15JUL03.21105206@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes:M > In a previous article, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: z >> In article <bf1c4m$3r6$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:L >> >Can I have generic queue A pointing to, say, specific queues 1, 2, and 37 >> >and generic queue B pointing to just, say, 2 and 3?l >>   >> Yes, shouldn't be a problem.  >>  M >> >Can I submit a job to a specific queue, but have it RESTART on a generic  J >> >queue?  (This is poor man's load balancing---submit it on the fastest M >> >node, but let it run on any if it gets restarted after that node fails.   I >> >Or is there a fancier, better, easier way to do such load balancing?)  >>  P >> I doubt it. Usually you would do it the other way. You create a generic queueO >> pointing to queue B, C and A (in this order) where B is the fastest node and Q >> A is the slowest. Then you submit your jobs into the generic queue. If queue BsQ >> is busy the job will end up in C, if that is busy, too it will be processed ini >> A.t > M > According to my v7.1 Systems Managers Manual: Essentials, section 13.2.1.3, M > jobs submitted to generic batch queues are placed "to minimize the ratio of.K > executing jobs to job limits for all execution queues fed by [the generic K > queue]".  So if A is faster than B and C you could set job limits for A'saL > execution queue to be greater than those for B and C.  Submit your jobs toJ > the generic queue and they will generally run on A.  If system A crashesH > jobs will be restarted on the generic queue and run on B or C (until A > returns to service). > I > If you're not already familiar with them, you may want to look at usinguL > $RESTART and BATCH$RESTART in your procedures.  They're in section 15.19.5# > of my v7.1 OpenVMS User's Manual.i >  > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVeJ > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself  L You can further bias this by playing with your batch queue setup. Instead ofJ creating say a queue with 6 jobs on node A and a queue with 2 jobs on nodeJ B, you can create 6 queues on A and 2 queues on B, each with one job, thenE order them in the generic list to distribute the load as you want it.   J And it's been a long time since I did this (VAX/VMS 5.5-2!), but IIRC whatJ it balances is the number of AVAILABLE slots in each queue, so in the caseF above of A:6 and B:2, it won't start a job on B until there are 5 jobs< already running on A. Which may or may not be what you want.    1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"e& 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdffL     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  O  Save Model Rocketry from the HSA!   http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.htmlr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:50:48 -0500o( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)2 Subject: TCPIP SMTP service and MIME issue - HELP!1 Message-ID: <03071612504801@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    NODE1oA     Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 3IA     on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 500 MHzP running OpenVMS V7.2-1f     MIME Version: V1.4   NODE2a;     DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A A     on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 500 MHzP running OpenVMS V7.2-1z     MIME Version: V1.4   NODE3n;     DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A A     on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 500 MHzP running OpenVMS V7.2-1-     MIME Version: V1.4   MS Exchange 5.5 sp4y   SMTP ConfigurationJ                                                                    OptionsL Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       NOEIGHT_BITH Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       NORELAYL Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00                                TOP_HEADERS  G Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  TerminateaG   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10.   Receive:                5e  # Alternate gateway:  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxn General gateway:    not defined    Substitute domain:  not defined  Zone:               not definedc   Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTPC Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOGf  0 Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes  # TCPIP$SMTP_xxxxxx_00   1     xxxxxxe     Problem:  L When sending a file using MIME (so as to receive said file as an attachment)L works on NODE1 however it does not work on NODE2 and NODE3.  NODE2 and NODE3H format the MIME header as does NODE1 however the file is received in the0 body of the e-mail rather than as an attachment.  7 Can anyone give me advice on how to resolve this issue?r  E Is this a known problem?  Is there a work around? - without having to02 upgrade/patch TCPIP ... but if that is the fix ...         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:43:10 -0400,8 From: Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu>% Subject: Re: Thanks to the community!c' Message-ID: <3F15566E.2A30F399@vcu.edu>v  % morphis@niuhep.physics.niu.edu wrote:  > C > As I noted, I am leaving my VMS system manager job, and given the6A > job market there is a good chance I'll be doing something else,  > but one way or the other ... > G > I've not been around here much in the last few years but writing that F > last message reminded me that I owed a big thanks to the many peopleD > who have written and ported software for VMS, and to everybody who1 > gives help here and on the various email lists.G > 	 > Thanks!o >  > Robert Morphis   Best to you, Robert..  --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"  F "I try not to be right any more than necessary". -- Larry Wall, author of the Perl Language   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 04:51:51 -0700 From: lars@post.cz (Woland)  Subject: Virtual email accountsO= Message-ID: <ee04d0bb.0307160351.244c4763@posting.google.com>w   Hi,   > I'm looking for a way how to create virtual email accounts for? POP/IMAP access only without need of creating real users. Is iteC possible with any mailer which is available under hobbyist license?e   Thanks,    Woland   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:37:44 +0100u* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?' Message-ID: <bf2vhr$2hb$2@lore.csc.com>l   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > R > In article <S0%Qa.12219$nP.177@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>, Antonio Carlini < > K > The V1 manuals were in blue binders.  Unfortunately, I do not have a set.o  & Same as the RSTS/E manuals then at V7.   -- s? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com4   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 08:16:34 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?3 Message-ID: <CpHuF+X5ZSOV@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  p In article <1U%Qa.346$1D3.46266@news.uswest.net>, "Carlc Internet Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> writes: > : > Not for me... I remember using DSC2 to do backups of the9 > RP06s that were connected on the Massbus (now, how manyi; > cobwebs did I clear from people heads). I recall the BLUE2C > manuals for V1. They had the same color for V2. I think the coloro? > change was in V4 just to get people to notice that V4 manualse > were different.  > ; > AND... VMS Backup was invented in V2... Before that, DSC26? > was it... (Good ol "Disk Save and Compress"). AND... You useddA > "talk" instead of "phone" for IM... Oh yeah, IM was invented on ; > VMS <GRIN>... we just didn't know it yet.... and, I'm not : > sorry to see it go, I remember using TECO to edit files.  >    DSC2 or standalone DSC2 did the equivalent of backup/image.@    I knew a shop that did a lot of work under VMS 1 to make sure=    they were getting complete backups using BCK so they couldiC    RST individual files.  (Or was that BRU?  No I think BRU came top    RSX later).  E    I remember not having VT100 to do EDT so we used SOS since it was t5    the same editor we were using on our DECSYSTEM-10.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:31:49 -0400.8 From: Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu>> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?' Message-ID: <3F1553C5.9EA98D46@vcu.edu>1   Bob Koehler wrote: > r > In article <1U%Qa.346$1D3.46266@news.uswest.net>, "Carlc Internet Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> writes: > >V< > > Not for me... I remember using DSC2 to do backups of the; > > RP06s that were connected on the Massbus (now, how many = > > cobwebs did I clear from people heads). I recall the BLUE E > > manuals for V1. They had the same color for V2. I think the color>A > > change was in V4 just to get people to notice that V4 manuals> > > were different.t > > = > > AND... VMS Backup was invented in V2... Before that, DSC2aA > > was it... (Good ol "Disk Save and Compress"). AND... You used.C > > "talk" instead of "phone" for IM... Oh yeah, IM was invented ona= > > VMS <GRIN>... we just didn't know it yet.... and, I'm noto< > > sorry to see it go, I remember using TECO to edit files. > @ >    DSC2 or standalone DSC2 did the equivalent of backup/image.B >    I knew a shop that did a lot of work under VMS 1 to make sure? >    they were getting complete backups using BCK so they couldtE >    RST individual files.  (Or was that BRU?  No I think BRU came toe >    RSX later). > F >    I remember not having VT100 to do EDT so we used SOS since it was7 >    the same editor we were using on our DECSYSTEM-10.   E and anyone remember KED keypad editor under RSX?  it came in with theeE FMS package, and got more use!!!  we later ran it under VMS in compata mode since it had macros..   jimu --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"  F "I try not to be right any more than necessary". -- Larry Wall, author of the Perl Language   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2003 14:18:02 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?9 Message-ID: <bf3mqp$aejvu$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>   ' In article <3F1553C5.9EA98D46@vcu.edu>, ; 	Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes:  > G > and anyone remember KED keypad editor under RSX?  it came in with the G > FMS package, and got more use!!!  we later ran it under VMS in compate > mode since it had macros..  E KED was available under more than RSX.  I used it under RSTS and I am E fairly certain it was also part of later versions of RT-11.  I alwaysi> assumed it was what became EDT under VMS, when it grew up. :-)   bill   -- cJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   S   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:46:49 +0100r* From: Dave Brennan <nospam@edcworks.co.uk>> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?8 Message-ID: <iflahvc59icj08eht94jiinluujdbdl18f@4ax.com>  9 Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote:4   >Bob Koehler wrote:L >> es >> In article <1U%Qa.346$1D3.46266@news.uswest.net>, "Carlc Internet Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> writes:  >> >= >> > Not for me... I remember using DSC2 to do backups of the < >> > RP06s that were connected on the Massbus (now, how many> >> > cobwebs did I clear from people heads). I recall the BLUEF >> > manuals for V1. They had the same color for V2. I think the colorB >> > change was in V4 just to get people to notice that V4 manuals >> > were different. >> >> >> > AND... VMS Backup was invented in V2... Before that, DSC2B >> > was it... (Good ol "Disk Save and Compress"). AND... You usedD >> > "talk" instead of "phone" for IM... Oh yeah, IM was invented on> >> > VMS <GRIN>... we just didn't know it yet.... and, I'm not= >> > sorry to see it go, I remember using TECO to edit files.a >> tA >>    DSC2 or standalone DSC2 did the equivalent of backup/image.cC >>    I knew a shop that did a lot of work under VMS 1 to make suren@ >>    they were getting complete backups using BCK so they couldF >>    RST individual files.  (Or was that BRU?  No I think BRU came to >>    RSX later).j >> RG >>    I remember not having VT100 to do EDT so we used SOS since it was>8 >>    the same editor we were using on our DECSYSTEM-10. > F >and anyone remember KED keypad editor under RSX?  it came in with theF >FMS package, and got more use!!!  we later ran it under VMS in compat >mode since it had macros..A >7 >jim  F In DEC Reading most of us used TECO for editing it had macros but tecoF was a write only language in that if the macro screwed up you wrote it9 agin rather than try to debug it. We also used RUNOFF for @ documentation as the VT50 terminals that the company gave us forF development didn't do lower case. We did run 12 users on VMS version 1 with 256K of memory.4 Dave[dot]Brennan[at]edcworks[dot]co[dot]uk[<cr><lf>]   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:28:41 +0200o) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl>2> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?6 Message-ID: <3f15611a$0$49110$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:) > In article <3F1553C5.9EA98D46@vcu.edu>,c= > 	Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes:e > G >>and anyone remember KED keypad editor under RSX?  it came in with theoG >>FMS package, and got more use!!!  we later ran it under VMS in compat  >>mode since it had macros.. >  > G > KED was available under more than RSX.  I used it under RSTS and I amuG > fairly certain it was also part of later versions of RT-11.  I alwaysi@ > assumed it was what became EDT under VMS, when it grew up. :-) >  > bill >   G You ran KED under RSTS? I am pretty sure that I tried to do that, too,  G but without success. I do not remember if I tried the RSX or the RT-11 sG version, though. I certainly stopped my experiments when EDT V2.0 came  
 to RSTS/E.  < And yes, I believe KED is to be considered a 'parent'to EDT.  H In those pre-EDT days I used TECO in full screen mode. That was nice on G a CIT-500 terminal (64 lines by 80 characters)! However, it was not so e' nice for the other users of the PDP-11.g   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:39:59 -0400e8 From: Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu>> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?& Message-ID: <3F1563BF.2E5B244@vcu.edu>   Bart Zorn wrote: >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:+ > > In article <3F1553C5.9EA98D46@vcu.edu>,CD > >       Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes: > >tI > >>and anyone remember KED keypad editor under RSX?  it came in with the I > >>FMS package, and got more use!!!  we later ran it under VMS in compat> > >>mode since it had macros.. > >t > >rI > > KED was available under more than RSX.  I used it under RSTS and I am I > > fairly certain it was also part of later versions of RT-11.  I always B > > assumed it was what became EDT under VMS, when it grew up. :-) > >. > > bill > >h > H > You ran KED under RSTS? I am pretty sure that I tried to do that, too,H > but without success. I do not remember if I tried the RSX or the RT-11H > version, though. I certainly stopped my experiments when EDT V2.0 came > to RSTS/E. > > > And yes, I believe KED is to be considered a 'parent'to EDT. > I > In those pre-EDT days I used TECO in full screen mode. That was nice oniH > a CIT-500 terminal (64 lines by 80 characters)! However, it was not so) > nice for the other users of the PDP-11.s > 
 > Regards, >  > Bart Zorn   @ When i was working on a pdp-11/34a, one of the comments from the4 departmental Limey in his wonderfull British accent:  ( Jim, are you tahksbuilding again????????   Jims -- eF "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"  F "I try not to be right any more than necessary". -- Larry Wall, author of the Perl Language   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2003 15:20:24 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?9 Message-ID: <bf3qfo$ae43b$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>e  6 In article <3f15611a$0$49110$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,, 	Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:* >> In article <3F1553C5.9EA98D46@vcu.edu>,> >> 	Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes: >> aH >>>and anyone remember KED keypad editor under RSX?  it came in with theH >>>FMS package, and got more use!!!  we later ran it under VMS in compat >>>mode since it had macros..b >> A >> 1H >> KED was available under more than RSX.  I used it under RSTS and I amH >> fairly certain it was also part of later versions of RT-11.  I alwaysA >> assumed it was what became EDT under VMS, when it grew up. :-)t > I > You ran KED under RSTS? I am pretty sure that I tried to do that, too, .I > but without success. I do not remember if I tried the RSX or the RT-11 tI > version, though. I certainly stopped my experiments when EDT V2.0 came   > to RSTS/E.  D Now that I read what you said, I may have been mistaken.  I think itC was KED on RT-11, but EDT already on RSTS.  It's been a rahter long C while sinc I have been able to run anything other than Ultrix-11 ono any of my PDP-11's.r   bill   -- bJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:07:20 -0700t( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?, Message-ID: <3F158648.8080004@NelsonUSA.com>   Carlc Internet Services wrote:3 > "RC Bryan" <rcbryan@hotmail.com> wrote in message 9 > news:fbcf38dc.0307141115.75bbbca0@posting.google.com...e > E >>I was having a discussion in the office with an old timer and thereeC >>was some controversy about the color of the binders for the oldUnn >>versions of VMS. >> >>I dimly remember having: >> >>V1 (before my time with VMS) >  > : > Not for me... I remember using DSC2 to do backups of the9 > RP06s that were connected on the Massbus (now, how many-; > cobwebs did I clear from people heads). I recall the BLUElC > manuals for V1. They had the same color for V2. I think the color ? > change was in V4 just to get people to notice that V4 manualsr > were different.c  < Unless my memory is totally corrupted, the V3 manuals were a@ darker blue (same as was then used for RSX) than the V2 manuals.= I know I have a V2 set in storage, but I'm not sure of the V3i% set.   V4 and later I certainly have.   < If anyone *really* cares, I can dig out samples of each from? storage, run them through the spectro-photometer here at Nelsona) Nameplate, and post the color data.   :-)m   Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2003 12:39:28 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?3 Message-ID: <WqnmJ5i7Z9$g@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  d In article <bf3mqp$aejvu$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:G > KED was available under more than RSX.  I used it under RSTS and I amnG > fairly certain it was also part of later versions of RT-11.  I always @ > assumed it was what became EDT under VMS, when it grew up. :-)  H    That's why I tried KED.  I read somewhere (Pageswapper?) that KED was    a predecessor to EDT.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:42:29 -0600n% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>.> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?A Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030716113954.00b4d008@raptor.psccos.com>o  ) At 11:39 AM 7/16/2003, Bob Koehler wrote:eL >In article <bf3mqp$aejvu$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu  >(Bill Gunshannon) writes:I > > KED was available under more than RSX.  I used it under RSTS and I amaI > > fairly certain it was also part of later versions of RT-11.  I alwaysoB > > assumed it was what became EDT under VMS, when it grew up. :-) >hJ >    That's why I tried KED.  I read somewhere (Pageswapper?) that KED was >    a predecessor to EDT.  C Well, no.  There was line-mode EDT for years before KED.  KED was a,E predecessor (at least, for the interface) for keypad-mode EDT (K-EDT,  right?).  A Also, don't forget DKED that ran under Time-Shared DIBOL (TSD) on$F RT-11...it would crap out all the time, and because it wasn't a "real"A TSD application, it would cause the TSD monitor to die as well...n     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:17:41 -0500d( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)6 Subject: ZIP encrypt, how? (was: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?)1 Message-ID: <03071611174127@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>S    Kind of curious about ZIPCLOAK -  H Does it password protect the files or does it actually encrypt the file?     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n> VMS Systems AdministratorC* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.390 ************************