1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 18 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 393       Contents:% Re: 36 x DS10L 617 for only USD20,000 % Re: 36 x DS10L 617 for only USD20,000 % Re: 36 x DS10L 617 for only USD20,000  Re: 4000 500 refuse to mop boot  Re: A rant about HP's website.N Re: anyone have any cheaper solutions for Memory Upgrades for DEC 3000 - M900?N Re: anyone have any cheaper solutions for Memory Upgrades for DEC 3000 - M900?N Re: anyone have any cheaper solutions for Memory Upgrades for DEC 3000 - M900? Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem  Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem 0 Re: but in AUTOGEN and/or SYSMAN in VMS 7.3 VAX? Re: Concerns about buying Alpha  Re: DCL encryption technique Re: DCL encryption technique DECnet over IP Re: DECnet over IP Re: DECnet over IP Re: DHCP startup problems P Re: Does anyone remember IAS? (was: Re: What color were the VMS  manuals for old$ Re: Firmware Update using Infoserver
 HP FUDBusting  Re: HP FUDBusting L Re: HP Webcast this morning on Next-Generation Intel Itanium 2    processors+ Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense + Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense 0 I seek software for Dynamode N6300EP printserver; Migrating Quiz (Cognos Powerhouse) reports from VMS to UNIX ? Re: Migrating Quiz (Cognos Powerhouse) reports from VMS to UNIX 5 Re: Need help configuring DCPS queue with MSAP$DEVCTL P Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships today!!! today Re: openvms-alpha license  Opteron motherboard maker sold" Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold" Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold5 OT: Heads-up: News Server News.CIS.DFN.DE Name Change  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  SSH EAK error message  Re: SSH EAK error message  Re: SSH EAK error message  Sun and SCO  Re: T4 utility- Re: TCPIP SMTP service and MIME issue - HELP! L Re: Trying to assemble a MicroVax -- Any help available in the Seattle area?L Re: Trying to assemble a MicroVax -- Any help available in the Seattle area? Re: Virtual email accounts Re: Virtual email accounts Re: What are HP Insiders doing?  Re: What are HP Insiders doing?  Re: What are HP Insiders doing? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? 5 Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions? " Re: Wollongong (Was: Pony Express)1 Re: ZIP encrypt, how? (was: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 16:20:39 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski). Subject: Re: 36 x DS10L 617 for only USD20,000= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0307171520.6d59e465@posting.google.com>   e Tim ffrench-Lynch <nospam@baesystems.com> wrote in message news:<3F16B08C.C58A3F52@baesystems.com>...  > > Island wrote: 0 > > > 36 x Alphaserver DS10L Systems 617Mhz EV67< > > > Total US$20,000 + $1400 shipping in EU, USA and Canada >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:5 > > See if you can convince the boss to have Islandco J > > buy it, then split it up yourselves and sell the DS10Ls with the rails > > for a FAIR price.  > > > What sort of cost would it be to get VMS licences for these? > I > I've been tasked with looking into the cost of renting VAXen to improve G > the performance of a tool I currently run on 16 Vaxstations. I expect : > licence costs would make the Alphaservers impossible :-( >  > Tim   B a vms license for these is around 300-400, but when we transferredA our existing vms licenses we got a 75% discount form compaq ... I @ don't know if hp is still doing that vax to alpha trade in deal.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:41:26 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> . Subject: Re: 36 x DS10L 617 for only USD20,0003 Message-ID: <3F175E56.83B2E8B2@applied-synergy.com>    Tim ffrench-Lynch wrote: >  > > Island wrote: 0 > > > 36 x Alphaserver DS10L Systems 617Mhz EV67< > > > Total US$20,000 + $1400 shipping in EU, USA and Canada >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:5 > > See if you can convince the boss to have Islandco J > > buy it, then split it up yourselves and sell the DS10Ls with the rails > > for a FAIR price.  > > > What sort of cost would it be to get VMS licences for these? > I > I've been tasked with looking into the cost of renting VAXen to improve G > the performance of a tool I currently run on 16 Vaxstations. I expect : > licence costs would make the Alphaservers impossible :-(  A Depending on what you are doing, it is quite possible that the 16 8 VAXstations can be replaced by one or two of the DS10Ls.  ? If you trade in licenses, the overall cost should be quite low.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:20:29 +0000 (UTC) ) From: Dan Foster <dsf@globalcrossing.net> . Subject: Re: 36 x DS10L 617 for only USD20,0003 Message-ID: <slrnbhetcl.efd.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>   d In article <3F175E56.83B2E8B2@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote: > Tim ffrench-Lynch wrote: >>   >> > Island wrote:1 >> > > 36 x Alphaserver DS10L Systems 617Mhz EV67 = >> > > Total US$20,000 + $1400 shipping in EU, USA and Canada  >>   >> "David J. Dachtera" wrote: 6 >> > See if you can convince the boss to have IslandcoK >> > buy it, then split it up yourselves and sell the DS10Ls with the rails  >> > for a FAIR price. >>  ? >> What sort of cost would it be to get VMS licences for these?  >>  J >> I've been tasked with looking into the cost of renting VAXen to improveH >> the performance of a tool I currently run on 16 Vaxstations. I expect; >> licence costs would make the Alphaservers impossible :-(  > C > Depending on what you are doing, it is quite possible that the 16 : > VAXstations can be replaced by one or two of the DS10Ls.  B Alternatively, I wonder if the license would be cheaper if one ran; the application on a fast PC under CHARON-VAX emulation...?   C I've never used CHARON-VAX and I'm no shill for them :-) I've heard H good things about the emulation providing some pretty dramatic speed-upsC versus individual (physical) VAXstations when run on a fast PC... I E don't recall the speed-up but seem to remember it was on the order of E 10-15x which just might make it feasible to reduce it to a single VMS 3 image under emulation to replace 16 VAXstations...?   C Not being familiar with license pricing, can't really give any good 4 answers but that's one thing to potentially explore.  E Either that or replacing with a single Alpha if the app can be easily D ported or VEST'd, would also be an excellent option if the licensing isn't a killer.   @ Either way, you get to achieve savings for physical space, HVAC,D and power use by retiring 16 VAXstations and using a single system -B assuming you don't have some special application requirements that( prevents consideration of either option.   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:03:00 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: 4000 500 refuse to mop boot- Message-ID: <87d6g9ytkr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>    mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:   > > In article <dd7df538.0307160334.7981a3f@posting.google.com>,4 >  dan.williams@btconnect.com (Dan Williams) writes:  8 >> %SYSINIT, waiting to form or join a VMScluster systemI >> %PAB0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR  03060022/00000004/00000040  >>  F >> %PAB0, Port is Reinitializing (  49 Retries Left).  Check the Error >> Log.  >>  I >> %PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR  03060022/00000004/00000040  >>  F >> %PAA0, Port is Reinitializing (  49 Retries Left).  Check the Error >> Log.  >>  + >> %CNXMAN,  lost connection to system OZZY A >> %CNXMAN,  sending VAXcluster membership request to system OZZY 5 >> %CNXMAN,  re-established connection to system OZZY 5 >> %CNXMAN,  now a VAXcluster member -- system MARVIN   E > PAx devices (CI, DSSI?) are having problems. Could be host adaptors E > or cabling. Make sure the cables are properly seated and don't have C > any extreme bends or kinks. If you have access to the system disk A > you might take a look at the content of this node's ERRLOG.SYS.   B That is the two DSSI ports. You either have no terminator, or thatD wonderfull little fuse on the console pannel has popped. If you haveC the 400 series external storage box, then be sure you have used the ? correct setup and have not plugged into the unused connectors.    7 What do you get from a SHOW DSSI at the console prompt?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:15:21 -0700 / From: Chris Wesling <wesling@spamblock.invalid> ' Subject: Re: A rant about HP's website. 1 Message-ID: <3F176649.1FDA3A78@spamblock.invalid>    warren sander wrote: > H > the validator is nice but if I spent the time needed to add in all theC > unneeded/unsupported html 4.01 standards then the pages would not J > be viewable with Netscape 3.03 which doesn't impliment the 4.0 standard. > J > Some of this stuff is well and good but just so you know I generate 95%+8 > of the pages on the OpenVMS site using EDT and typing. > J > now WYSIWYG stuff etc. so I don't put in </li> tags or </p> or addin the0 > 8-10 extra tags that can be in image tags etc.  I The validator only tries to apply HTML 4.01 Transitional standards if the I page identifies itself as HTML 4.01 Transitional. What's the highest HTML A version that Netscape 3.03 supports? Change the pages to identify I themselves as that version, and then the Validator will check against the  standard for that version.   Chris W. --  ; (Replace the spamblock with sbcglobal dot net to email me.)    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:17:40 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) W Subject: Re: anyone have any cheaper solutions for Memory Upgrades for DEC 3000 - M900? . Message-ID: <bf7094$j8n$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   john_radnor@dofasco.ca writes in article <C67E869B53B8344ABD43CB6FB7A2AA9CB845F2@mailsrv01.hamilton.dofasco.ca> dated Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:47:55 -0400: >  >Currently sitting at 128 Meg  > 3 >Cost to double this to 256 Meg is about $7,000 CDN  >using either 8*32 Meg DIMMS >or 16*16 Meg DIMMS H >(I'm not a hardware guy, so this is second hand info, but that is the = >cost)  L For $1000 you can get a PWS500au (faster CPU and bus than the DEC 3000) with 256MB in it already.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jul 2003 18:27 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) W Subject: Re: anyone have any cheaper solutions for Memory Upgrades for DEC 3000 - M900? - Message-ID: <17JUL200318274065@gerg.tamu.edu>     john_radnor@dofasco.ca writes... }Currently sitting at 128 Meg  } 3 }Cost to double this to 256 Meg is about $7,000 CDN  }using either 8*32 Meg DIMMS }or 16*16 Meg DIMMS H }(I'm not a hardware guy, so this is second hand info, but that is the = }cost) }  }eeek! }  }thanks  }John Radnor }Dofasco Inc  K I don't know where you are getting your pricing, but it is the wrong place.   G As has been pointed out, you can get a whole new, much faster, computer E for 1/7 that price (not including VMS license - with a typical set of G licenses it would probably be about half the price) which comes with at  least 256MB of memory.  I "Memory4less" appears to have 256MB kits from Kingston (part KTV3AXP/256) L for $182.01, plus $8.25 for shipping (although that says "3-5 days US only",H the specific Canadian shipping option looks to be $30 - all prices wouldC be US$), assuming they actually have them in stock and are not out.    See:  L http://www.memory4less.com/m4l_itemdetail.asp?rid=streetprices&itemid=118528  G The page says "memory module" and makes it sound like a single stick of L memory but that Kingston part number is a full set of 8, not just one stick.  H Other places have these (and the 128MB version) for widly varying prices6 (like $588.37 for the 128MB kit at www.codemicro.com).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:00:46 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)W Subject: Re: anyone have any cheaper solutions for Memory Upgrades for DEC 3000 - M900? L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1707032200460001@user-uinj5ck.dialup.mindspring.com>  
 In articleG <C67E869B53B8344ABD43CB6FB7A2AA9CB845F2@mailsrv01.hamilton.dofasco.ca>,  john_radnor@dofasco.ca wrote:    >Currently sitting at 128 Meg   H How many of the SIMM slots are filled?  VMS won't tell you this, but the
 console will:    >>> SHOW MEM  B I've been meaning to write a little program to find out the memory@ configuration without shutting down VMS, but I haven't had time.  H Or you can take off the top cover and peak through the grille to see how many slots are filled.    H The system takes up to 4 memeory kits; each kits consists of 8 identicalI SIMMs.  Supported kits sizes are 256 MB, 128 MB, 64 MB, and 32 MB. (16 MB F and 8 MB kits also work, but were apparently never turned into buyable# products.)  Maximum memory is 1 GB.   J If you have 4 32 MB kits at present, you could replace them with 64 MB (orG larger) kits.  64 MB kits appear on ebay for $20-$30 fairly often.  128 J and 256 MB kits are less common and more expensive.  Obviously this is forD used memory, but the typical offer includes money back if it doesn't! work.  Search "DEC 3000" at ebay.   I All of these systems use the same memory kits: DEC 3000-400, -500, -500X, D -600, -700, -800, and -900.  The DEC 3000-300 family uses different, incompatible memory.  D You just missed this auction, it looks like a bargain at $5.24 (plus shipping) for a 64 MB kit:  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3422688102   H By chance, this happens to be a dealer that I bought from at my previousJ employer, and we found him completely reputable.  He gives phone and emailJ info in the auction, and he's sold memory like this several times before. D There's a good chance he can supply what you need if you contact him4 directly.  Failing that, watch ebay for a few weeks.  C As others pointed out, you can get a newer, faster system for a few D hundred dollars.  But you can likely upgrade this one for even less.     -- Robert    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:12:34 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem- Message-ID: <878yqxyt4t.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:    > $ mcr dfu  > 6 >       Disk and File Utilities for OpenVMS DFU V2.7-A >       Freeware version4 >       Copyright  2000 COMPAQ Computer Corporation > 3 > DFU> set indexf.sys/ignore=interlock/owner=system &                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is the DFU majik bit..   ? > %DFU-S-MODIFIED, File DISK$DATA:[000000]INDEXF.SYS;1 modified   ! > %DFU-I-READY, SET command ready  > DFU>  Exit   > $  dire/own indexf   > Directory DISK$DATA:[000000]  0 > INDEXF.SYS;1           63009/63009    [SYSTEM]  E For the more general case, I think you need a /over=lock on the mount D to allow access to indexf.sys and friends by other than the XQP. TheB help file does not mention this. Has mount etc changed or has help been simplified?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:23:34 -0400 0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>" Subject: Re: BACKUP/NOINIT problem$ Message-ID: <3f1705cc$1@news.si.com>  I >Yes, but as INDEXF.SYS is open while the disk is mounted you can't apply  the 	 >changes.     You can always use SET_OWNER.MAR  C ;                                                     SET_OWNER.MAR  ; < ;  This program uses the ACP QIO function to modify the file= ;  ownership of INDEXF.SYS to UIC [1,4].  Before running this > ;  program, define a logical name DISK$LIBRARY to point to the ;  disk that needs modifying.  ;  ; J         .title  set_owner          ; set non-interlocked ownership of file  :         $atrdef                    ; Attributes definitionF         $fibdef                    ; File Information Block Definition8         $fiddef                    ; File ID definitions7         $iodef                     ; I/O Function codes   : fid:    .word   FID$C_INDEXF       ; File ID of INDEXF.SYS         .word   FID$C_INDEXF         .word   0   @ UIC:    .word   ^O4                ; Member UIC of [1,4] (octal)?         .word   ^O1                ; Group UIC of [1,4] (octal)   9 atr_list:                          ; User attributes list +         .word   atr$s_uic          ; length )         .word   atr$c_uic          ; code 3         .address uic               ; buffer Address 0         .long   0                  ; End Of List  3 fib_desc:                          ; FIB Descriptor >         .long   fib$c_accdata      ; Short block (access data)         .address fib> fib:    .blkb   fib$c_accdata      ; Only need the short block1 iosb:   .quad   0                  ; Status of IO : Channel:                           ; Channel to the device         .word   0 H Disk:   .ascid  /DISK$LIBRARY:/         ; <<<-- Define this logical name     ; Main Entry point of Code ;          .entry  set_owner, ^m<> A         $assign_s chan=channel, -  ; Assign a channel to the disk                  devnam=disk 5         blbs    r0, 10$            ; Check for errors  5$:     ret + 10$:    movl    #fib$m_write!fib$m_nolock,- I                 fib+fib$l_acctl         ; Allow write and nolocked access E         movl    fid, fib+fib$w_fid      ; Set the File Id In question 0         movw    fid+fid$w_rvn, fib+fib$w_fid_rvnB         $qiow_s chan=channel, -         ; Perform the QIO function<                 func=#io$_modify, -     ; to modify the file7                 iosb=iosb,-             ; return status 3                 p1=fib_desc, -          ; This file :                 p5=#atr_list            ; These attributesA         blbc    r0,5$                   ; set the final condition <         movzwl  iosb, r0                ; code (worst error)         brb     5$         .end    set_owner    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:52:17 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)9 Subject: Re: but in AUTOGEN and/or SYSMAN in VMS 7.3 VAX? $ Message-ID: <bf6upg$cup$2@online.de>  ? In article <FIoVP2x+yXjSRaB+1fnwZGNZ4KL=@4ax.com>, David Beatty + <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> writes:    = >     I don't know if SYSMAN performs a NETWORK access to get @ > to the other nodes in a cluster, but it does take advantage of  > DECNET proxies, if they exist.  F At the moment, I'm not running DECnet at all.  I DO plan to relatively9 soon, but there has to be another answer/solution to this  question/problem.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:22:06 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Concerns about buying Alpha- Message-ID: <874r1lysox.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   B > Still waiting for Itanic to go mainstream and gain industry-wide6 > acceptance. Until then, its still Alpha all the way.  , Anyone still got an IAS kit kicking around??   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:48:58 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: DCL encryption technique $ Message-ID: <bf6uj9$cup$1@online.de>  E In article <4bpbhvs830jmhsibasv79mg7n1817iqd8t@4ax.com>, Mike Bartman $ <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:   D > You could use ROT-13.  It's very easy to write, especially in TPU:  F > ROT-13 is reversible too...run a string through it twice and you areH > back to the original.  Not real secure, but it hides what's there from > casual readers.   F OK, the typical NEWSRDR user is not casual.  :-)  I just checked your 8 examples via the command CURRENT/ROTATE in NEWSRDR.  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:18:58 -0400 . From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>% Subject: Re: DCL encryption technique 8 Message-ID: <l4mehvs0k16j2cap0cea589iuedji18hsa@4ax.com>  ) On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:48:58 +0000 (UTC), C helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to 
 reply) wrote:   F >In article <4bpbhvs830jmhsibasv79mg7n1817iqd8t@4ax.com>, Mike Bartman% ><omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes:   > E >> You could use ROT-13.  It's very easy to write, especially in TPU:  > G >> ROT-13 is reversible too...run a string through it twice and you are I >> back to the original.  Not real secure, but it hides what's there from  >> casual readers. > G >OK, the typical NEWSRDR user is not casual.  :-)  I just checked your  9 >examples via the command CURRENT/ROTATE in NEWSRDR.  :-)   @ No, the typical newsrde user isn't casual.  They are always very< formal.  I hope you had your Tux on when you did that... :^)  ? ROT-13 isn't intended to prevent reading, just to prevent/limit E accidental reading.  From the original request it wasn't at all clear C what the purpose was...so that might fit it.  If not, a more secure = encryption would be needed, such as the other one posted here 
 yesterday.   -- Mike Bartman @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address. %   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:42:30 +1200 / From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.co.nz>  Subject: DECnet over IP 8 Message-ID: <pl8ehvkb85qug7bcnhid4hgghna86tq3dr@4ax.com>  C My employer would like to stop running DECnet over its WAN, so I am  trying out DECnet over IP.  D It works well, but the documentation is a bit brief in places, and IF haven't found out how to make IP the default transport beteen nodes. IB want users to be able to do "SET HOST NODE", rather than "SET HOST> NODE.DOMAIN". How do I do this? Each node is, in general, in aF different domain (each of our operating divisions has its own domain).   ---  Martin Hunt  Systems Administrator  Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealand    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:18:57 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: DECnet over IP L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1707032218570001@user-uinj5ck.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <pl8ehvkb85qug7bcnhid4hgghna86tq3dr@4ax.com>, Martin Hunt$ <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.co.nz> wrote:  D >My employer would like to stop running DECnet over its WAN, so I am >trying out DECnet over IP.  > E >It works well, but the documentation is a bit brief in places, and I G >haven't found out how to make IP the default transport beteen nodes. I C >want users to be able to do "SET HOST NODE", rather than "SET HOST ? >NODE.DOMAIN". How do I do this? Each node is, in general, in a G >different domain (each of our operating divisions has its own domain).   I The DECnet-plus documentation set is getting a bit old.  Be sure you read I through the DECnet-plus release notes for V7.3-1.  This document contains  a bunch of new material.  G As of V7.3-1, there is still a gap in functionality.  You can't include E tcpip in the "transport precedence" list, so in some circumstances an G outgoing connection tries another transport first, and only tries TCPIP D after the other(s) time out.  That is annoying, to say the least.  I. haven't found out if this is fixed for V7.3-2.  H In my experience, putting the DOMAIN: prefix before the node name forcesB the tcpip transport with no delay.  I think they is a logical nameC mechanism (per node) to get similar behavior.  I don't remember the  details off the top of my head.   J If you are running versions older than V7.3-1, the release notes are still> useful, but there's less functionality as you go back in time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:50:03 +1200 / From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.co.nz>  Subject: Re: DECnet over IP 8 Message-ID: <1puehvg0l6soq05ftdb4n6a8psb99m0rmu@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:18:57 -0400, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert  Deininger) wrote:   E >In article <pl8ehvkb85qug7bcnhid4hgghna86tq3dr@4ax.com>, Martin Hunt % ><martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.co.nz> wrote:  > E >>My employer would like to stop running DECnet over its WAN, so I am  >>trying out DECnet over IP. >>F >>It works well, but the documentation is a bit brief in places, and IH >>haven't found out how to make IP the default transport beteen nodes. ID >>want users to be able to do "SET HOST NODE", rather than "SET HOST@ >>NODE.DOMAIN". How do I do this? Each node is, in general, in aH >>different domain (each of our operating divisions has its own domain). > J >The DECnet-plus documentation set is getting a bit old.  Be sure you readJ >through the DECnet-plus release notes for V7.3-1.  This document contains >a bunch of new material.  > H >As of V7.3-1, there is still a gap in functionality.  You can't includeF >tcpip in the "transport precedence" list, so in some circumstances anH >outgoing connection tries another transport first, and only tries TCPIPE >after the other(s) time out.  That is annoying, to say the least.  I / >haven't found out if this is fixed for V7.3-2.  > I >In my experience, putting the DOMAIN: prefix before the node name forces C >the tcpip transport with no delay.  I think they is a logical name D >mechanism (per node) to get similar behavior.  I don't remember the  >details off the top of my head. > K >If you are running versions older than V7.3-1, the release notes are still ? >useful, but there's less functionality as you go back in time.   C Thanks, that gets me a little bit further - I might also investiage D 7.3-2. I should have said - currently on VMS V7.3 on VAX with DECnet V7.3-1 and TCP/IP V5.3.   C The release notes didn't seem to say much that wasn't in the DECnet ) V7.1 manuals, but I'll have another look.   > The manual says "You can configure your system to allow use ofB synonyms (Phase IV style names) instead of the IP host full name",E which I took to mean I could do something in DECnet_register to allow ; this for certain nodes. But, it doesn't say how to do this.   2 Oh, well, I will continue looking at it next week.   ---  Martin Hunt  Systems Administrator  Fairfax New Zealand Limited 
 Wellington New Zealand    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:48:29 GMT 5 From: "Karol Z" <zielonkono-spam-plz@ucx.lkg.dec.com> " Subject: Re: DHCP startup problems/ Message-ID: <h4DRa.322$lG3.28@news.cpqcorp.net>    Hi,   @ > >I don't remember if the DHCP server becomes a single point ofF > >failure or if there is a way to have multiple DHCP servers.  (MaybeE > >a VMS cluster with a lock to control which system is currently the E > >server and the DHCP config file in a common directory on a shared, D > >shadowed disk would do the trick if the DHCP protocol intrinsicly2 > >dislikes having multiple servers on one LAN :-)  J The DHCP server supports exactly that. It's documented and has been in outJ port of the DHCP server code for quite a while. I can't remember if it wasI in the first rev or not. This solution was relatively simple to implement K and adds a good deal of value especially when one looks at cost/benefits in H terms of engineering time and effort. It's not a perfect solution thoughJ since if the cluster goes down you're stuck. You're also stuck if you lose connectivity to your clients.   H As Peter has said there is ongoing work in the RFC protocol space in theL area of DHCP failover but it has been going on for a long time and has stillJ evidently not made it to full RFC status. I believe this is the most up to4 date copy of the draft for those who are interested:  D   http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dhc-failover-12.txt   Karol Zielonko   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:26:20 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> Y Subject: Re: Does anyone remember IAS? (was: Re: What color were the VMS  manuals for old + Message-ID: <3F16E919.2BB250AD@pacbell.net>    Ken Robinson wrote:  > 3 > At 04:36 PM 7/16/2003 -0400, you wrote (in part): I > >PRE (under RSX and IAS [anyone remember that one???? on a PDP-11/70 no 	 > >less])  > H > I remember IAS on a PDP 11/70 in 1977 (I think it was V1 at the time). > K > I started a new job as an applications programmer to do COBOL! When I got E > there, the system had just been installed. My manager and one other M > co-worker were going to be at DEC school learning about the system. Fortran C > was installed and an interpretive version of COBOL. I was given a C > non-privileged account, all of the manuals, a terminal (an old HP ( > terminal), and told to go "play".  :-) >  > Ken Robinson  E COBOL ??? What about DIBOL ? IIRC I used DIBOL on a PDP 11/70 running  RSTS/E. C It had about 64k and a Unibus with 5 platter, removable disks, as I 	 recall...    --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:13:42 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: Firmware Update using Infoserver 5 Message-ID: <qcFRa.216357$1F6.2273305@news.chello.at>   g In article <3F16B0C9.1010501@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>, "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> writes: = >I need a firmware upgrade on an Alpha 3000/300. It has no CD @ >therefore I want to use my infoserver. I is normally no problem! > >>>boot -fl 0,0 -file xxxx esa0   2 Ok. But every other MOP server can also be used...  = >But what do I have to use for the filname xxxx in this case? ? >I tried several .sys files but without success. (Normally when : >booting directly from CD I get some kind of a readme file3 >which proposes the proper for this type of system)   " >>>BOOT -FL 0,0 -FI M300_V7_0 ESA0   where the M300_V7_0.SYS is from   J ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/dec3000/m300_v7_0.sysA ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/dec3000.html 8 ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readme.html   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 14:40:49 -0700( From: yamahasw40@latinmail.com (Schmuck) Subject: HP FUDBusting< Message-ID: <24819cc3.0307171340.ffd452d@posting.google.com>   Hi all,   E First up.. have to admit that I am not an Alpha guy, but I am dealing A with a site that is. I will probably expose my ignorance over the F wealth of OSs available from HP in the next couple of lines, so please be kind.  D There is a lot of FUD coming out of various vendors about the futureF of HPs "other OSs". Ie.. if its not HP-UX, it will die with the switch to Itanium.   F What is the real deal? If I buy an Alphaserver today will I be dealing) with HP Techs who can't even spell Tru64?   = Essentially we need to consider the TCO of the shop before welD recommend a platform. (I don't actually care that much.. Anybody butF Microsoft). If these guys will have an uphill battle with support overB the time-life of this sistem (predicted at 5 years with a possibleD stretch to 7), they are better off retraining their OSF and VMS guys upfront.   Any opinions appreciated.n   Matt   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:13:23 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)E Subject: Re: HP FUDBusting. Message-ID: <bf7aij$sc9$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   yamahasw40@latinmail.com (Schmuck) writes in article <24819cc3.0307171340.ffd452d@posting.google.com> dated 17 Jul 2003 14:40:49 -0700: E >There is a lot of FUD coming out of various vendors about the futurepG >of HPs "other OSs". Ie.. if its not HP-UX, it will die with the switchM >to Itanium.  G VMS has already been ported to Itanium.  I don't know about Himalaya.  n7 I think the plan for Tru64 is to "merge" it with HP-UX.I  G >What is the real deal? If I buy an Alphaserver today will I be dealingP* >with HP Techs who can't even spell Tru64?  K Considering that HP is still supporting VAX/VMS 9 years after the Alpha was)K introduced, I don't think you have anything to worry about in your 5-7 yearo
 timeframe.  J FWIW, the port of our in-house software from VAX to Alpha was smooth.  YouL never know, Itanium price/performance could get good enough that you'll want to move.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 10:56:03 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)oU Subject: Re: HP Webcast this morning on Next-Generation Intel Itanium 2    processorsr= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307170956.19003c5f@posting.google.com>   t "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<vYoPa.125562$x4o.69147@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...E > Is there anything internal which might be released into the wild byHE > HP/Compaq that does a detailed contrast/compare of NSK vs. VMS whennA > configured 'similarly' for reliability, operational issues, andsG > aspects of building apps and environments, ie. NSK-type 'cluster' vs.r > VMS-style clusters?o  E The closest thing I can think of is Ken Moreau's cluster comparison.  = See his article in the just-released 2nd issue of the OpenVMStE Technical Journal on the VMS website.  Ken also did a presentation at D HP-ETS in St. Louis (Session 1048, A Survey of Cluster Technologies): in case you have access to those presentations on the web.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 15:32:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)J4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense3 Message-ID: <ZcWxHWCcDyb$@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  l In article <BQyRa.269$hn3.126@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:L > hp.com, and then follow the integrity server links through the entry level& > to the rx2600, and then quick quote.  9    That's the path I followed, I'll have to try it again.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 16:32:28 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: HP World: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense3 Message-ID: <8WcP31harLws@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  l In article <BQyRa.269$hn3.126@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:L > hp.com, and then follow the integrity server links through the entry level& > to the rx2600, and then quick quote.  E    OK, now I'm getting $8951 stripped, $9878 with a screen, mouse and,K    keyboard.  I think HP's nomencalture of "bundle" vs. "cluster" may have mD    mislead me.  "Bundle" doesn't sound stripped, although there's no    "cluster" of one.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 11:05:36 -0700 From: bumper@freegates.be (Tom)n9 Subject: I seek software for Dynamode N6300EP printserver = Message-ID: <24458a12.0307171005.1a248146@posting.google.com>e  O Is there enyone that can say me where I find the software for Dynamode N6300EP h printserver.   Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 18:13:59 -0700% From: deepakonline@myway.com (Deepak)hD Subject: Migrating Quiz (Cognos Powerhouse) reports from VMS to UNIX= Message-ID: <38dea33f.0307171713.4487f199@posting.google.com>h   Hi,   F The company I work for is migrating from VMS to UNIX. Currently we areD running Quiz (part of the Cognos Powerhouse package) reports on VMS.E The report generating application uses the indexed RMS file structure  of VMS extensively.A  C Now, I am not much of a UNIX guy. So, I am not sure whether indexediB files are allowed in UNIX. Different people have told me differentF things about this. Some say that UNIX does not impose a file structureA on files- so the applications will have to implement the indexing-D within themselves. Others say it is possible to separate the indexed> RMS file into a binary IDX (index) file containing the indexedA structure and a sequential file containing just the data on UNIX.   B The objective is to be able to run the same Cognos applications onA UNIX with little or no code change. We haven't got much time. Cans anyone help me with this?.    Highly appreciate your feedback.   Thanks,l   Deepak   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:28:10 -0400c2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)H Subject: Re: Migrating Quiz (Cognos Powerhouse) reports from VMS to UNIXL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1707032228100001@user-uinj5ck.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <38dea33f.0307171713.4487f199@posting.google.com>, & deepakonline@myway.com (Deepak) wrote:   >Hi, > G >The company I work for is migrating from VMS to UNIX. Currently we areME >running Quiz (part of the Cognos Powerhouse package) reports on VMS. F >The report generating application uses the indexed RMS file structure >of VMS extensively. > D >Now, I am not much of a UNIX guy. So, I am not sure whether indexedC >files are allowed in UNIX. Different people have told me differenteG >things about this. Some say that UNIX does not impose a file structurenB >on files- so the applications will have to implement the indexingE >within themselves. Others say it is possible to separate the indexede? >RMS file into a binary IDX (index) file containing the indexedgB >structure and a sequential file containing just the data on UNIX. >iC >The objective is to be able to run the same Cognos applications oneB >UNIX with little or no code change. We haven't got much time. Can >anyone help me with this? >s! >Highly appreciate your feedback.   F I don't know much unix, but I don't know of any way to get VMS indexedG file functionality.  I guess you could write your own support, or maybeeJ buy a 3rd-party utility that includes a subset of RMS support.  You didn'tD mention which unix you are migrating to (they are all different), soD discussion of possible add-on tools is only guesswork at this point.  J It is unfortunate that you are migrating from VMS.  It is also unfortunateH that you don't have much time.  Also, that someone apparently decided toH do this migration without assessing the level of effort required.  MaybeF the person who decided this migration is a good idea can give you some? hints on how to do it?. Or maybe the Unix vendor wants to help.:  D VMS is still a perfectly reasonable computing platform, so maybe you should consider staying.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:09:36 GMTo* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>> Subject: Re: Need help configuring DCPS queue with MSAP$DEVCTL5 Message-ID: <170720031639483695%paul.anderson@hp.com>/  ; In article <bf4buj$hk02$1@itc01.baylor.edu>, Mike Hutchesone" <Mike_Hutcheson@baylor.edu> wrote:  D > From what I've read in the archives, we should be able to use DCPSF > with the MSAP$DEVCTL library.  However, when I print to a DCPS queueA > that I've set up, it doesn't appear that the MSAP form or setupNG > module is being applied.  No error messages (that I can find, anyway)r > are reported by DCPS.Z  ? I tested this yesterday and found that although the MSAP moduleMF LPT_PROLOG was found (that's why there's no error message) and sent toC the printer, it was ignored by the DCPS job, superceded by the DCPSs code that came after it.  G So there is apparently an incompatibility between PATHWORKS for OpenVMStG (Macintosh) forms and DCPS; similar results have been reported by other E customers over the years.  I believe someone provided a more detailedo4 explanation of why, but I can't put my finger on it.   Paul   -- I  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringr   Hewlett-Packard Companya   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:56:30 +0800., From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - OpenVMS V8.0, first release on Itanium, ships today!!! today - Message-ID: <87k7ahytvl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:   ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ) > news:87u19m1kab.fsf@prep.synonet.com...l( >> "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  F >> > HP should offer a Christmas gift-wrapped version guaranteed to beB >> > couriered to your home by Dec. 24th, complete with gift-card.  7 >> Where and when did that add run? I can't remember :(w  < > HP doesn't advertise anything VMS. Ask Mary Ellen Fortier.  > This was for a PDP-8. No, nothing after the number. A card andB giftwrapping was an option on the coupon, and FOAF law has it that! one, with card and wrap was sold.    -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:52:37 GMTt6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>" Subject: Re: openvms-alpha license8 Message-ID: <pxHRa.33$NF4.11@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>  I In addition to the other replies, is this a non commercial system?  If so / you can install hobbyist licenses, available atkL http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/index.html  with no costs.  Please note theB non commercial restriction.  You must also be an Encompass member.     -- Andy Bustamanteu remove the ASCII 95s to replyp    ? "Phillip R Sobottke" <psobottke@ameritech.net> wrote in messageb: news:FRkRa.10793$Vx2.4719644@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...L > I found out that my digital ultimate workstation requires 75 units for theG > base license.  I have a new 15 unit base license, is there any way toa reduceI > the requirement for this machine.  I have no intention of using it as a 	 > server.M >  >  >1   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 15:24:28 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ' Subject: Opteron motherboard maker sold = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307171424.6291a94c@posting.google.com>k  @ Newisys, Inc., a maker of Opteron motherboards, is being sold to@ Sanmina-SCI, an electronics manufacturing services company.  The: Inquirer reports Newisys blames lack of demand for Opteron
 motherboards. ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10525d  # A press release from Newisys is at:1< http://www.newisys.com/news/sanmina_acquisition07172003.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:39:38 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: Opteron motherboard maker soldy' Message-ID: <3F1741CA.68A18C5E@fsi.net>s   Keith Parris wrote:e > B > Newisys, Inc., a maker of Opteron motherboards, is being sold toB > Sanmina-SCI, an electronics manufacturing services company.  The< > Inquirer reports Newisys blames lack of demand for Opteron > motherboards.e+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10525s > % > A press release from Newisys is at: > > http://www.newisys.com/news/sanmina_acquisition07172003.html  F Since Opteron is such relatively news news, I take that as a sign thatC someone over-estimated something, or put too many eggs in the wrongU' basket and got cold feet over the risk.o   -- o David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsU http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:14:19 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: Opteron motherboard maker soldi2 Message-ID: <OB6dnZB9PYerH4qiXTWJhQ@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0307171424.6291a94c@posting.google.com...-B > Newisys, Inc., a maker of Opteron motherboards, is being sold toB > Sanmina-SCI, an electronics manufacturing services company.  The< > Inquirer reports Newisys blames lack of demand for Opteron > motherboards. + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=105256  L If you read the article more carefully, it reports that insufficient numbersH of people were buying Newisys' *boxes*, and goes on to suggest that theyK were too high-end (e.g., containing a separate PowerPC service processor tolK manage and monitor operation) for a processor too new to have yet generatedeL sales in the conservative enterprise business segment that the Newisys boxes were aimed at.  6 A more positive slant on the subject can be found hereH  http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/07/17/HNsanmina_1.html - though forI some reason I can't get the text portion of the article now; it was theretG earlier), where the view is that being the wholly-owned subsidiary of a(H larger, well-established player rather than an independent start-up willI make the Newisys boxes (which Sanmina - which previously manufactured therH boxes for Newisys - claims to value as an extension to its product line)( more credible to their target customers.   - bill   >k% > A press release from Newisys is at: > > http://www.newisys.com/news/sanmina_acquisition07172003.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 05:02:49 GMTf+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)3> Subject: OT: Heads-up: News Server News.CIS.DFN.DE Name Change: Message-ID: <ZbLRa.91807$TJ.5151894@twister.austin.rr.com>1 Keywords: news,server,name,change,news.cis.dfn.de$  (   http://makeashorterlink.com/?G15E21E45*   News Server News.CIS.DFN.DE Name Change   '  "From: news@fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau) "   Newsgroups: alt.free.newsservers#   Subject: [DFN-CIS] Change of Nameh    Date: 10 Jul 2003 14:44:35 GMT)   Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlinh   Lines: 46r6   Message-ID: <2003-07-10.Name-Change_en@fu-berlin.de>?   NNTP-Posting-Host: komodowaran.cis.fu-berlin.de (130.133.1.8)iA   X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1057848275 6124906 130.133.1.8 (16 17 18)c  "   To all users of News.CIS.DFN.DE,  H   There will be some changes within the organization of the news-serviceI   known as "News.CIS.DFN.DE" and operated by the computer center of Freie:    Universitaet Berlin, Germany.   I   The computer center of Freie Universitaet Berlin (ZEDAT) has taken over8G   the task of supplying a central news-service for member organizations C   of the German National Research and Education Network (DFN). As anD   result of this, the well-known name "News.CIS.DFN.DE" will be usedG   exclusively in connection with this new service (DFNNetNews) from nowr   on.   H   Individually registered users that do not take part in DFNNetNews will=   continue to have access to the service using two new names:   2   -  News.Individual.NET (for international users)4   -  News.Individual.DE  (for German-speaking users)  =   Announcements that concern this service will be tagged witho%   "[Individual]" in the subject line.e  F   The change of name concerns both the name of the news-server itself F   and the URLs that point to the web-space connected with the service:      http://news.individual.net/    http://news.individual.de/   F   As the service provided is identical for both servers, it is neither.   necessary nor possible to register for both.     Note:    ===== D   Existing configurations will continue to work without the need forE   modification because the technical separation of services will takeu&   place internally on the server-side.  C   We do ask you to follow the new installation guides available via D   http://news.individual.net/ for future setups though. Please make >   a special note of the new e-mail addresses for registration:  7      news-register@individual.net (international users)'9      news-register@individual.de  (German-speaking users)M       Vera Heinau"    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:25:33 GMTp2 From: Bob WIllard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates4 Message-ID: <3F16DC0F.2040403@TrashThis.comcast.net>   Thomas Dickey wrote:( > Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote: > - >>At 01:01 PM 7/16/2003, Thomas Dickey wrote:  >>6 >>>In comp.os.vms sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> wrote: >>>  >>>>Thomas Dickey wrote: >>>>@ >>>>>In comp.os.vms Kelvin Smith <fcs_smith1111@snet.net> wrote: >>>>> J >>>>>>Well, at least one reason for the short variable names was so there  >>>>>  >>>would be  >>> M >>>>>>no confusion between variable names and keywords, an ambiguity that hasrK >>>>>>tripped up more than one programmer since variable names got longer.   >>>>>  >>>There >>>rI >>>>>>would also have been space considerations; it's easy to forget now   >>>>>i >>>just howc >>> K >>>>>>frightfully expensive RAM was back then ($1 or more per byte, IIRC).   >>>>> 
 >>>Most of >>> / >>>>>iirc, it was "core" back then (late 60's).p: >>>>>"RAM" wasn't a commonly-used term til the early 70's. >>>>J >>>>All the RAM was core memory. There was also ROM. I remember getting a  >>>t >>>blank ROM >>>aL >>>"perhaps".  I didn't encounter the term applied to core memory before theJ >>>advent of semiconductor memory.  Checking my PDP-11 processor handbooksM >>>reinforces my recollection - the term "RAM" is not used in the older ones.  >> > K >>Well, at one time, you could also have more than one type of memory.  YouoG >>could have fast (expensive, hot) bipolar memory and more conventional L >>memory.   On RSX, at least, there was a PSECT attribute to allow the psect, >>to be loaded into fast or slow(er) memory. >  > J > That's still much later (approaching 10 years) than the design of BASIC.G > According to what I'm reading, BASIC was designed around 1964 (my own I > recollection was that it was a little later, e.g., 1967, but that might H > be tainted with some recollection about where it was adopted for use). > Q > ("bipolar" probably refers in this context to an SSI or MSI technology, perhapslC > not what I would have meant by semiconductor, e.g., LSI or VLSI).  >   E And the winner is -- 1964.  See http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DartmouthBasic  --   Cheers, Bob    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jul 2003 18:58:12 GMT+ From: Mike Zanker <not-for-mail@zanker.org>e Subject: SSH EAK error message6 Message-ID: <Xns93BBCB255A04mikezankerorg@130.133.1.4>  C I've been playing with the SSH EAK for the past couple of days. In SH general it's working very well - however, when I ssh into my Alpha from 0 another machine I always get an error on logout.   The remote client reports:  F Protocol error: packet too long (followed by what could be a sequence  number)e  - and the Alpha (running the EAK SSHD) reports:s  G INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit Status = %TCPIP-F-SSH_FATALn  G I don't think it is causing any problems but I wondered if it was just b me...e   Thanks,l   Mike.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:22:50 GMT16 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: SSH EAK error message5 Message-ID: <_kFRa.216478$1F6.2273305@news.chello.at>p  d In article <Xns93BBCB255A04mikezankerorg@130.133.1.4>, Mike Zanker <not-for-mail@zanker.org> writes:D >I've been playing with the SSH EAK for the past couple of days. In I >general it's working very well - however, when I ssh into my Alpha from -1 >another machine I always get an error on logout.C >c >The remote client reports:  > G >Protocol error: packet too long (followed by what could be a sequence   >number) >t. >and the Alpha (running the EAK SSHD) reports: >dH >INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit Status = %TCPIP-F-SSH_FATAL > H >I don't think it is causing any problems but I wondered if it was just  >me...  H No it is not. All my machines show this, too. But I started to use it...J btw I was told, that the first SSH EAK (I started with the 2nd = T5.3-11E)2 did also have this bug (besides a lot of others).    -- a Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER7% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jul 2003 04:51:24 GMT+ From: Mike Zanker <not-for-mail@zanker.org>a" Subject: Re: SSH EAK error message7 Message-ID: <Xns93BC3B93B63A4mikezankerorg@130.133.1.4>i  9 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote inm. news:_kFRa.216478$1F6.2273305@news.chello.at:   D > No it is not. All my machines show this, too. But I started to useB > it... btw I was told, that the first SSH EAK (I started with theD > 2nd = T5.3-11E) did also have this bug (besides a lot of others).   @ I did have some installation problems (SSHD wouldn't start, for @ instance, complaining about a /flags=tcpip parameter) but after D uninstalling and installing it again it configured and ran smoothly.   Mike.i   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 11:34:17 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)1 Subject: Sun and SCO= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307171034.1187f8f3@posting.google.com>i  C There was discussion here recently about the level and sincerity ofr Sun's support of Linux.N  > From Cnet News (http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1024633.html):  > "A previously secret licensee of SCO Group's Unix intellectualB property has revealed its identity: Unix leader Sun Microsystems. D SCO's Unix licensing plan got a major boost of publicity in May whenB Microsoft announced its decision to license Unix from SCO, but SunD actually was the first company to sign on. SCO and Sun confirmed the licensing deal on Wednesday.  D The pact, signed earlier this year, expanded the rights Sun acquiredE in 1994 to use Unix in its Solaris operating system. But there's more-E to the relationship: SCO also granted Sun a warrant to buy as many asf= 210,000 shares of SCO stock at $1.83 per share as part of the.A licensing deal, according to a regulatory document filed Tuesday.-  A Sun, the No. 1 seller of Unix servers, declined to comment on the % option to take a stake in SCO Group."f   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:22:37 GMTn1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e Subject: Re: T4 utilityv2 Message-ID: <3F174BC8.58B2E91C@firstdbasource.com>   Fred The Cat wrote:d >  > Greetings all. > Q > I recently learned about HP's T4 utility ("Tabular Timeline Tracking Tool") foroQ > OpenVMS, and would like to draw on your knowledge & experience a bit if you areM > familiar with it.s > N > If I understand correctly, it captures a lot of information from the Monitor) > utility, including individual disk I/O. Q > However, the CSV files that I receive from it each day don't seem to drill down- > to that level of detail. > O > For a current project, I'm trying to capture average, peak and low values fore7 > both read and write activity on all my mounted disks.nJ > ( Currently everything is set up on the storage array as RAID 5, and I'mN > convinced it's time to use RAID 0+1 for those disks heavy on write activity.F > However, I have to gather some numbers to show this is a good idea.) > P > Am I mistaken in what information this tool can provide? If not, what needs toP > be done to get the individual disk I/O information to be included in the daily > CSV file?n >  > ___________________b > 
 > Regards, > Jay Newman > Systems Programmer > The Pepsi Bottling Group > Mississauga, Ontario, Canada    H T4 and it's TLViz Viewer will tell you everything you can get out of theG Monitor utility.  Generally there will be a system .CSV file and a DISKuH .CSV file and it is there you should be able to get what you are looking for...  C Use the T$EXTR utility to create a "custom" .CSV file with only thec columns you are looking for...   -- n Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:25:45 GMTa1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>-6 Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP service and MIME issue - HELP!2 Message-ID: <3F174C83.CCA66074@firstdbasource.com>   John Brandon wrote:  >  > NODE1eC >     Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 3 C >     on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 500 MHzP running OpenVMS V7.2-1e >     MIME Version: V1.4 >  > NODE2i= >     DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0AmC >     on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 500 MHzP running OpenVMS V7.2-10 >     MIME Version: V1.4 >  > NODE3t= >     DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A1C >     on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 500 MHzP running OpenVMS V7.2-11 >     MIME Version: V1.4 >  > MS Exchange 5.5 sp4n >  > SMTP ConfigurationL >                                                                    OptionsN > Initial interval:   0 00:30:00.00       Address_max:    16       NOEIGHT_BITJ > Retry interval:     0 01:00:00.00       Hop_count_max:  16       NORELAYN > Maximum interval:   3 00:00:00.00                                TOP_HEADERS > I > Timeout             Initial       Mail    Receipt       Data  TerminateHI >   Send:                   5          5          5          3         10d >   Receive:                5r > % > Alternate gateway:  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ! > General gateway:    not definede > ! > Substitute domain:  not definedi! > Zone:               not definedt >   > Postmaster:         TCPIP$SMTPE > Log file:           SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG- > 2 > Generic queue       Queues   Participating nodes > % > TCPIP$SMTP_xxxxxx_00   1     xxxxxxl > 
 > Problem: > N > When sending a file using MIME (so as to receive said file as an attachment)N > works on NODE1 however it does not work on NODE2 and NODE3.  NODE2 and NODE3J > format the MIME header as does NODE1 however the file is received in the2 > body of the e-mail rather than as an attachment. > 9 > Can anyone give me advice on how to resolve this issue?l > G > Is this a known problem?  Is there a work around? - without having to 4 > upgrade/patch TCPIP ... but if that is the fix ... >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n1 > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com    + one of the methods I use for doing this is:t $zip zipfile inputfileB $pipe uuencode zipfile sys$output | mail sys$pipe /subj="whatever" "user@whatever.com"   " Yes it is clumsey, but it works...   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163n7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comy 816-373-0270 (Office)e 816-728-3080 (Mobile)h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:01:36 -0400f* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>U Subject: Re: Trying to assemble a MicroVax -- Any help available in the Seattle area? . Message-ID: <3F16AC40.19129.5EBEC44@localhost>   > First -- it is a MicroVAX II.-G > P.S. is there _any_ (however slow) practical use for it once I get itm
 > working?  F Possibly.  But I spend my days replacing MicroVAXen with CHARON-VAX.  - Usually about 10x faster than the original...t  9 [Another Shameless Plug (tm) from a CHARON-VAX reseller.]a  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671t1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147h= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.como   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jul 2003 21:55:30 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>U Subject: Re: Trying to assemble a MicroVax -- Any help available in the Seattle area?P+ Message-ID: <bf760i0toq@enews4.newsguy.com>b  Y In comp.sys.dec Dan <bios#underscore#hack@spam.hotmale.nospam.com.use.spamcop.net> wrote:  > First -- it is a MicroVAX II.l  N >    I've got hard drives that I don't know how to install (or to confirm that  > I've got them hooked up right)@ >    I've got *NO* OS -- but I do have some blank 9-track tapes.M >    I had the system "p.o.s.t."; but then as I've got no OS, the system willr1 > stop. (good news here, the system _does_ work!)i: >    I don't know how to get the 9 track to hook up right.  K Do you have an Ethernet controller for it?  If so the easiest way to get anaJ OS is to get a cheap SCSI-based VAX or Alpha, get an OpenVMS Hobbyist Kit,& and boot the MicroVAX II over the net.  K BTW, am I correct in assuming this is in a short 19" Rack?  I'm assuming it L is, since you mention you've got a 9-Track.  What kind of Hard Drives do you have?e   > Dan FrenchG > P.S. is there _any_ (however slow) practical use for it once I get it.
 > working?  K Believe it or not, it's a good system to learn to tune OpenVMS.  It is sloweK enough that you'll be able to better notice improvements.  It's also a goodPL system to learn OpenVMS on.  They're also useful if you have a real need forH a Q-Bus Based VAX (I've got a MicroVAX III that I have for this reason).  J Having said that, I'll admit I've converted my MicroVAX II (BA123 Chassis)L into a PDP-11/73, and am keeping a couple of VAXstation II's (a GPX and a RC6 in BA23's) around for spare parts for my PDP-11/23+.     			Zanes   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:29:46 -0400 0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com># Subject: Re: Virtual email accounts $ Message-ID: <3f170740$1@news.si.com>  ? >I'm looking for a way how to create virtual email accounts forU: >POP/IMAP access only without need of creating real users.  K If the server resides on VMS, there is no way.  The client must use a valids@ VMS username/password to log in and communicate with the server. -- :I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com:5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.FD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991t8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jul 2003 18:37 CDTI' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) # Subject: Re: Virtual email accountsx- Message-ID: <17JUL200318370941@gerg.tamu.edu>a  4 "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> writes...@ }>I'm looking for a way how to create virtual email accounts for; }>POP/IMAP access only without need of creating real users.e } L }If the server resides on VMS, there is no way.  The client must use a validA }VMS username/password to log in and communicate with the server.  }-- J }Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com  I Unless, of course, you use some 3rd party mail software (like PMDF) whichiG can provide it's own mailboxes that are independant of usernames on theT system it runs on.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:16:26 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>-( Subject: Re: What are HP Insiders doing?' Message-ID: <3F17041A.505AB121@aaa.com>(   GreyCloud wrote:  % > $2.00/gallon for gas at the pump...7  : I definitly agree, someware around $5.50 / gallon would be more reasonable...  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:58:50 -0700r" From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>( Subject: Re: What are HP Insiders doing?( Message-ID: <3F170E0A.D760AB94@mist.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > I > Apparently not selling stock at the peak or upswing, since all of thesewL > numbers are a couple bucks shy of the current price.  I sold *my* pittanceJ > of stock too not too long ago, property taxes in NH are brutal - doesn'tK > mean I think the stock isn't worth holding onto.  I too sold below $20...oL > the State of NH doesn't take IOU's against stock, they like cash.  I wouldM > assume others also like to occasionally convert stock into cash so they cand > spend it.a > J > But of course, what you really are starting this troll thread for was toA > somehow imply that some HP insiders are dumping their holdings.- >   ; I also noticed that NH has an awful lot of Barney Fifes forC police officers.4 If you think the taxes in NH are bad, take a look at Californias taxes...# $2.00/gallon for gas at the pump...a< proposed $1800 per car license tabs.  I'd hate to think what/ those idiots are going to do to property taxes.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:55:06 GMTo& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>( Subject: Re: What are HP Insiders doing?0 Message-ID: <K2ERa.327$iS3.284@news.cpqcorp.net>  # GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote: 6 > If you think the taxes in NH are bad, take a look at > Californias taxes...% > $2.00/gallon for gas at the pump...e  F It has been a while since I looked at the little "this price includes"B tax lists at the gas station, but if I recall correctly, the taxed were <= 50 cents a gallon.  ( > proposed $1800 per car license tabs.    > On what model of car?  For years and years, California vehicleC registration was a fixed fee plus a fee based on the "value" of thefC vehicle, that part of the fee qualifying as a state or local incomeeB tax and usable as a writeoff on the federal taxes.  I watched each2 year as my registration fee for my car would drop.  < Somewhere along during the dotcom, under I forget who in theF Governor's mansion and who controlling the legislature, the "by value"D part of the vehicle registration was cut/nuked/something (by then myD vehicle registration fee was low enough that I considered it a don't care)m  A > I'd hate to think what those idiots are going to do to propertya > taxes.  # IIRC, it was called Proposition 13.w  
 rick jones -- s= portable adj, code that compiles under more than one compiler/F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...t   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Jul 03 20:00:03 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)t> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?) Message-ID: <yIad$X2RlWMn@elias.decus.ch>V  a In article <qribhvohfbvfkrs3mjham7shr82j2r43l4@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:T? > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:13:01 -0400, "Carlc Internet Services"h% > <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> wrote:- >  > ...7; >>AND... VMS Backup was invented in V2... Before that, DSC2s? >>was it... (Good ol "Disk Save and Compress"). AND... You usedaA >>"talk" instead of "phone" for IM... Oh yeah, IM was invented on ; >>VMS <GRIN>... we just didn't know it yet.... and, I'm notn: >>sorry to see it go, I remember using TECO to edit files. >   J And MC INFO instead of "show process /continuous" (and just to proved thatD old habits die hard, all these years later, I still define INF in my login file for that).-  -P > Is that right? I thought VMS Backup came in about V3 for some reason. I recallK > being at the DECUS symposium where it debuted, but I can't be sure of thee- > details this late afterwards...getting old!r  ? IIRC BACKUP came in somewhere around 2.5, but I could be wrong.n   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 13:16:50 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?3 Message-ID: <36T$uzqlLW8b@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <yIad$X2RlWMn@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:a  A > IIRC BACKUP came in somewhere around 2.5, but I could be wrong.h  = That was the incremental backup (which had no analog in DSC).  Image backup came with V3.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:11:36 +0100m+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk>1> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?8 Message-ID: <orsdhvc2gocheci7b7vgqhafmregtmqdc3@4ax.com>  G On 17 Jul 03 20:00:03 +0200, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:J  b >In article <qribhvohfbvfkrs3mjham7shr82j2r43l4@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:@ >> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:13:01 -0400, "Carlc Internet Services"& >> <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> wrote: >> o >> ...< >>>AND... VMS Backup was invented in V2... Before that, DSC2@ >>>was it... (Good ol "Disk Save and Compress"). AND... You usedB >>>"talk" instead of "phone" for IM... Oh yeah, IM was invented on< >>>VMS <GRIN>... we just didn't know it yet.... and, I'm not; >>>sorry to see it go, I remember using TECO to edit files.. >> >eK >And MC INFO instead of "show process /continuous" (and just to proved thatnE >old habits die hard, all these years later, I still define INF in myi >login file for that).  G MC DISP - monitor proc/topcpu ?  RSX-11M had a monitor that showed realiJ physical memory and what was in it - that was completely kewl if you had a" multi-tasking application running.  H I still miss SOS from time to time, and the ability of PIP to report the) largest contiguous free extent on a disk.   hQ >> Is that right? I thought VMS Backup came in about V3 for some reason. I recalleL >> being at the DECUS symposium where it debuted, but I can't be sure of the. >> details this late afterwards...getting old! >r@ >IIRC BACKUP came in somewhere around 2.5, but I could be wrong.  C Pass.  In those days, you had to be "worthy" to have access to such0 privileged tools.i   -- n John   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 15:41:06 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?3 Message-ID: <slIZrjA2D51O@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  f In article <orsdhvc2gocheci7b7vgqhafmregtmqdc3@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:I > On 17 Jul 03 20:00:03 +0200, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote:i > A >>IIRC BACKUP came in somewhere around 2.5, but I could be wrong.r > E > Pass.  In those days, you had to be "worthy" to have access to suchr > privileged tools.   D    In those days to be worthy you had to disasemble VAX instructionsC    from SDA (MCR SDA, not analyze/crash nor analyze/system) by handnF    without knowing which was the first byte of the instruction because=    you were working backward from the PC logged in the crash.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 15:25:38 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)p> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?3 Message-ID: <Cb9c$+tFLDWc@eisner.encompasserve.org>V  b In article <3F16A0FC.5353BA8D@vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes: > > > Yes, they really, really did...  they were the John Deere of > computers...  I    Gee, I've seen the orange VAXen.  Now maybe I should paint my hobbyisto    cluster John Deer green?    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jul 2003 15:30:22 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?3 Message-ID: <qGUCgE5TrfmQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  U In article <yIad$X2RlWMn@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes:t >> > L > And MC INFO instead of "show process /continuous" (and just to proved thatF > old habits die hard, all these years later, I still define INF in my > login file for that).   $    MCR DISPLAY (replaced by MONITOR)"    MCR USES    (became SHOW USERS)  ?    Couldn't have much fun prior to VMS 3.0 without unsupported,0B    undocumented utilities.  But mostly I miss MCR PIP (the AME was    bundled with VMS back then).e  B    I also recall the output of the DIRECTORY command under VMS 1.x@    matched that of PIP /LI.  Didn't have control-T to verify the    image name.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:15:42 +1200e) From: Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@inl.co.nz>l> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?8 Message-ID: <hs7ehv42cdd7isho1vu7ujtgqa22ma8ljj@4ax.com>  D On 14 Jul 2003 12:15:06 -0700, rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan) wrote:  D >I was having a discussion in the office with an old timer and there@ >was some controversy about the color of the binders for the old >versions of VMS.b >t >I dimly remember having:n >t >V1 (before my time with VMS)i >V2 (before my time with VMS)d >V3 Blue
 >V4 Orange >V5 Gray" >V6 White (paperback, not binders)( >V7 Do they have printed manuals for V7?  A Yes, we have a set. They are the ones with the picture of the Sun F terminals on the cover! White with a red vertical band aprt from that.   ---a Martin Huntu Systems Administrator  Independent Newspapers Limited
 Wellington New Zealand:   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:28:28 GMTo From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz> Subject: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old versions?# Message-ID: <3f173e4b.1366578@news>o  F On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:51:00 -0400, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   >Dan O'Reilly wrote: >e8 >> At 02:36 PM 7/16/2003, Carlc Internet Services wrote: >> rL >>> "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 >>> news:CpHuF+X5ZSOV@eisner.encompasserve.org...e >>> > >wD >>> >    DSC2 or standalone DSC2 did the equivalent of backup/image.F >>> >    I knew a shop that did a lot of work under VMS 1 to make sureC >>> >    they were getting complete backups using BCK so they couldaI >>> >    RST individual files.  (Or was that BRU?  No I think BRU came to  >>> >    RSX later). >>>9 >>>0H >>> On VMS, we were backing up RP06s. The system's manager handed me theJ >>> book(s) for V1.1 VMS and said," Here, you figure it out". Since I used >>> DSC/PRE J >>> on RSX, DSC2 was a natural. It wasn't until V2 that we could switch to
 >>> "backup".a >>> K >>> BRU (Backup/Restore Utility) came out in the RSX V4 time frame, as far   >>> as I >>> canuF >>> remember. Until then, I used DSC or PRE depending on fragmentation >>> requirements.pJ >>> PRE (under RSX and IAS [anyone remember that one???? on a PDP-11/70 noJ >>> less]) would just do a block for block... I guess you would say PRE =  >>> "dd" >>> in UNIX.1 >>> DSC took way longer and required many tricks.s >> P >>  I >> BRU came out in RSX 3.2.  At the time I was working in the CSC (it was.I >> called the "TSC" at the time) on the RSX team.  To us, "BRU" stood forSK >> "backup and ruin utility", rather than "backup and restore utility".  It1K >> was REALLY buggy at first.  Most people stayed with DSC at that time forr >> a year or so. >> iG >> The big issue with PRESERV was that it WAS block-by-block: includinga! >> bad ones on the output volume!n >>  M >>> To backup the RSX system disk, I can remember booting the system. Locking I >>> MCR into memory, locking BRU into memory, THEN you could dismount theeI >>> system pack to backup other packs. Can't think of two many OSes that k	 >>> alloweJ >>> you to remove the booted disk from the drive to allow you to reuse the
 >>> drive. >>>eJ >>> Ah.. The good ol days... We lived in a hole in the ground and we liked
 >>> it....L >>> It was uphill both ways to the tape vault... And we liked it.... <GRIN>. >> r >>  J >> Yup!  Back when you had to WORK to program, 'cause you only had 64kb of >> memory to work with!  <grin>w >a >nR >Bah!  You were coddled.  On RSTS the Basic+ interpreter ate up 16 KW (32 KB) and ( >your code only had 16 KW address space. > J >Each use of a literal used up space, so you'd learn tricks, like setting N >variables N1%, N2%, ... N9% for values of 1-9, and then use the variables in P >place of literals, because the address of the variable took less room than the 
 >literals.@ Yep, I remember nights as an Operator, decompiling the programs,E removing any lines starting with ! as they'd have been comment lines,?C recompiling and rerunning to get it through under the remaining 16Kw limit!E Even more entertaining when the program that failed was in the middleeF of a chained set of update programs and you had to make sure you'd got3 the parameters being passed to the program correct.a   >tJ >I'm rather glad for the opportunity of being rather lazy and sloppy.  :-) >/ >Davee >. >-- 5 >David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450d5 >Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596 ? >DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comt7 >T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486r >l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:27:06 -0400e. From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com>+ Subject: Re: Wollongong (Was: Pony Express)e8 Message-ID: <nbmehv0cpt0dv7210m7u39f01l5ec52n9f@4ax.com>  F On 17 Jul 2003 08:35:04 -0500, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  e >In article <bf660r$bf9np$2@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:i; >> In article <8lobhvgqscfqbbucuc9cmd3mqrmigpca44@4ax.com>,r4 >> 	Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> writes: >>> D >>> Yes, that's true.  The Wollongong Group was bought by Attachmate >>> Corporation around '97.  >> eG >> Speaking of Wollongong, does anyone here know anything about Eunice?h > D >   For those who don't know, Eunice was Wollongong's UNIX emulator 
 >   for VMS. s  B It was history by the time I started working for Wollongong aroundF '93...though there was a VAXStation 3100-30 there called "Eunice".  IfA anyone wants that specific machine, contact me...it's in my sparelE room, and still has that name (though Eunice is not installed on it).- :^)   ; > I couldn't see devoting parts of my 1MB RAM to emulating n >   some cryptic OS.  C It was used at NRL when I worked for Cray Research there.  The CrayuF X/MP was front-ended by three 11/785s, and some of the users were moreF comfortable with Unix than VMS, so it was available.  It wasn't used a* lot (especially by me!), but it was there.  F >> I have a "bin" and a "src" tape here from 1985.  Any chance that itG >> could be loaded on a VAX running VMS and still work?  Did it requireLE >> something like a PAK in order to run? Does anyone think AttachmateIF >> would care?  Does anyone have a contact at Attachmate that could be >> asked about it? >sC >   Eunice predated LMF, so it can't need a PAK.  I don't recall it/C >   needing anything other than the install tape.  Some of it wouldsE >   probably still work, but I suspect some of it was privileged codej >   and might no longer work.   F I believe it was basically a replacement supervisor, but that's only aB vague impression I got, not certain knowledge.  The version of VMS< that was out about that time was 4.x (4.2 was what we had atF NRL)...the first one with clustering...and the origin of the term (notD that those people still trying to "cluster" unix machines are likely to know that).  D >> I realize that Eunice wasn't much, but it was fun playing with itE >> many moons ago and I would be curious to see it run once again and 3 >> I do have the VAX resources here to try it.  :-)( >AI >   Have fun and let us know how it goes.  Meanwhile I'll just use Cygwine1 >   on my PC when I really want an emulated UNIX.   * I like Linux on my PC better for that. :^)   -- Mike Bartmano@ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address.i%   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM...a@ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:04:08 -0400r& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>: Subject: Re: ZIP encrypt, how? (was: Can VMS ZIP encrypt?)8 Message-ID: <kosdhvsc3rtgk9omv1a7k5pas7okaigqt7@4ax.com>  M On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:17:41 -0500, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote:   ! >Kind of curious about ZIPCLOAK -a >cI >Does it password protect the files or does it actually encrypt the file?s  M See http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/FAQ.html#crypto for information abouts Info-ZIP encryption.I -------------------------------------------------------------------------uI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comtI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)eI -------------------------------------------------------------------------l   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.393 ************************