1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 19 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 396       Contents:P Re: Does anyone remember IAS? (was: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old  Re: DVD compatibility with VMS Re: DVD compatibility with VMS Re: FS: 1986 Olds Calais Re: Getting rid of DECwindows?? Re: getting rx2600 pricing (was: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense)  Re: HP FUDBusting  Re: HP FUDBusting  Re: HP FUDBusting  Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal " Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold" Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold" Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold" Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates ? Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP, ? Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP, ? Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP, & Re: [slightly OT] vax & alpha hardware  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:50:37 +0200 2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>Y Subject: Re: Does anyone remember IAS? (was: Re: What color were the VMS manuals for old  2 Message-ID: <3F1968CD.9000309@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>  = We used RSX11D from about 1973 in our Nuclear Physics Lab on  8 a 11/45 as the main laboratory computer. This operating < system got a lot of competition inside Digital itself later : on from RSX11M. A typical example from Digital that times = developing a new product which out knowing that a better one  1 already existed.  Later on on top of RSX11M came  < RSX11M-Plus. It approached in functionality RSX11D (further = developed with the timesharing part it was sold as IAS), but  ; it took a long time for RSX11M-Plus to reach incrementally   the functionality of IAS.   ; Because of the new development from a group with obviously  6 more visibility inside Digital, Digital tried to stop 8 support of RSX11D. This was not very welcome within the : DECUS Organisation. At that time (about 80?) we created a ; worldwide Local User Organisation (LUG) the Delware Valley  9 IAS LUG (DVIAS-LUG). (This was from the rules of DECUS a  < silly idea because LUGs were considered as suborganisations < in national chapters, like the worlds greatest the US DECUS 9 chapter.) This LUG was headed and the idea driven by Bob  < Curley who later on some years was on the DECUS US Board of ; Directors. I organized the European communication part. We  = could achieve that RSX11D was not stopped immediately. First  < all RSX11Ds changed to IAS and got an IAS support. Stopping ; the support of IAS was not so easy for Digital, because as  < we found out at Boeing some 2000+ system were installed and : Boeing made big pressure on Digital. So we still got some  support until the early 80ties.   ; But that was the time to change to VMS and we replaced the  < RSX11D system with a VAX 11/750. (PDP11'ns with the cheaper # RSX11M system we run until 1999...)    Regards    Otto  ; PS: History has changed and some of the younger people may  = not  remember DECUS. DECUS (Digital Equipment Computer Users  7 Society) was a user organisation which had in its (and  < Digitals) best times more than 130 000 (?) members, and was , the world largest organisation of this kind.     Ken Robinson schrieb: 3 > At 04:36 PM 7/16/2003 -0400, you wrote (in part):  > I >> PRE (under RSX and IAS [anyone remember that one???? on a PDP-11/70 no 	 >> less])  >  > H > I remember IAS on a PDP 11/70 in 1977 (I think it was V1 at the time). > H > I started a new job as an applications programmer to do COBOL! When I J > got there, the system had just been installed. My manager and one other F > co-worker were going to be at DEC school learning about the system. J > Fortran was installed and an interpretive version of COBOL. I was given F > a non-privileged account, all of the manuals, a terminal (an old HP ( > terminal), and told to go "play".  :-) >  > Ken Robinson >   -   ------------------------------------------- , | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |-   -------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:20:54 +0200 E From: "eberhard heuser-hofmann" <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> ' Subject: Re: DVD compatibility with VMS / Message-ID: <013101c34de7$d34e1600$0501a8c0@jo>    David,  2 if you speek of "discs", do you mean CDs or DVDs??   eberhard ----- Original Message -----9 From: "David Spencer" <spencer@spaamfree.pageweavers.com>  To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> % Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:54 AM ' Subject: Re: DVD compatibility with VMS     8 > In article <vhac5k4cge0m2c@news.supernews.com>, Island <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote: > L > > Can anyone give me a list of DVD's and CDRW that are compatible with VMS > > (and T64 if possible)  > > L > > I am getting asked quite often for these and have not been able to quote > > L > > I know it comes down to the 512K block issue, but that is something BELL- > > Micro and other distys have no idea about  > L > David, I've had a lot of success using a Pioneer DVD-303S SCSI drive in myF > PWS 500au. I've created ISO9660 discs on my Mac and read them on VMSH > without any difficulty. The drive itself has a jumper for 512K blocks. That's > my 2 cents worth...  >  >  > -- Dave Spencer, PageWeavers   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2003 16:51:52 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) ' Subject: Re: DVD compatibility with VMS - Message-ID: <3f195b08$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   > In article <emgghvohsn22ef3q58op65lkdgjbdtejpd@4ax.com>, jlsue" <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:F |>On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:59:46 -0400, "Island" <dbturner@islandco.com> |>wrote: |>G |>>Can anyone give me a list of DVD's and CDRW that are compatible with  |>VMS  |>>(and T64 if possible) |>G |>Check out US Design (www.usdesign.com).  They have OpenVMS-compatible  |>hardware & software. |> |> |>  : It's DVD-RAM only.  No DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R and no DVD+RW.   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:18:17 -0400 ! From: "JustMe" <no.body@no.where> ! Subject: Re: FS: 1986 Olds Calais : Message-ID: <phdSa.7079$eP6.1016694@news20.bellglobal.com>  = Don't be ridiculous; everyone knows that Oldsmobiles only run  NetBSD..............    : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:2yH54PVVj$VD@eisner.encompasserve.org... E In article <cgbghvsdmtphd4advlqnht0h15vk4icntc@4ax.com>, Dave Brennan  <nospam@edcworks.co.uk> writes: % > Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote:  > 2 >>> My apologies.  This was meant as a local post. > 0 > Not many versions of VMS run on 1986 hardware!  0 Versions 4, 5, 6 and 7 do.   That is a majority.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:23:17 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> ' Subject: Re: Getting rid of DECwindows? = Message-ID: <p_8Sa.3234$gb5.26935428@news-text.cableinet.net>   G >   For this, I would typically reinstall (current) OpenVMS and layered G >   products -- preferably on a larger disk.  This might look like more F >   work, but will result in a much more manageable environment -- andE >   you will have removed a decade's worth of accumulated random user D >   and log and temporary files that can occupy system disk storage. > . >   And you know how everything is configured. >   J I couldn't agree more. Whenever I'm working on upgrading systems that haveI been around for a while I always build a new clean disc in a known state, F then move the minimum necessary number of files across and install the- minimum necessary number of layered products.   I Please make sure you get a complete image backup of the old disc first. I H often tip that back into a logical disc somewhere so it's sat around for, emergency high speed access later if needed.  A -----------------------------------------------------------------  Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 03 12:12:09 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) H Subject: Re: getting rx2600 pricing (was: Why Alpha's Omega Makes Sense)) Message-ID: <u0EmKf3sSVxd@elias.decus.ch>   m In article <qpWRa.27146$Ci2.1785@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:LXQm5uXr86lK@eisner.encompasserve.org... E >> In article <BQyRa.269$hn3.126@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" + > <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes: C >> > hp.com, and then follow the integrity server links through the 
 > entry level ) >> > to the rx2600, and then quick quote.  >>
 >> On page >> >> http://www.hp.com >>C >> neither I nor the Netscape search function could find the string  > "integrity". >>& >> I found a link for "quick quote" on >>; >> http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/index.html  >>! >> but that produces the message:  >>7 >> This site requires cookies to be enabled to function 2 >> properly. Please enable cookies in your browser >> to enter. >>! >> I do not get such a message at  >> >> http://store.apple.com/ >>G >> where I am able to make configuration changes and get pricing on all  >> products. > * > That's because Apple "Think's Different" >   K And just for the hell of it, I went to the Apple Store using Netscape 3.03, F with Java and Javascript disabled. I got as far as pricing up the dualH 2GHz G5 and seeing what price difference from the base model each optionI is. It wouldn't recalculate the total for the options I had selected, but $ it was impressive that I got so far.  I As far as visual appearance goes, it makes a mockery of those sites which I say "best viewed with MSIE Vx or later", because it still looks good with  Netscape 3.03.  E Oh, and while I'm on the subject of G5s, the pricing represents stiff G competition with the prices I have seen here this week for the Itanium.   H No choice of 3 OSes, but Mac OS X _is_ in with the purchase price, and aC whole $525 extra to get 2 x 256 GB disks instead of the base 160 GB 	 offering.   K Now, it gets sexier, even the base model at $1,999 comes with DVD authoring > capabilities, and I want one of these beasts for Christmas! **  L My point being of course, that navigating the Apple Store website (even withC my ancient browser) was a pleasure instead of a fight, I found the  D information I wanted very easily, and came away wanting one of their	 products.   G ** my Christmas timing is chosen because I want to let others deal with E teething problems on a product that is not available until August :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:42:42 +0200 ) From: Stefaan A Eeckels <hoendech@ecc.lu>  Subject: Re: HP FUDBusting5 Message-ID: <20030719104242.3e525210.hoendech@ecc.lu>    On 18 Jul 2003 19:50:28 -0700 ) bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:    > ... most everyone now isD > working on security for linux/windoze ... in other words, everyone- > is still trying to play catch up to VMS ...   1 Isn't VMS a case of "security through obscurity"?   $ Just to make sure people get it: :-)   --   Stefaan  --  C "What is stated clearly conceives easily."  -- Inspired sales droid    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 07:17:17 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: HP FUDBusting2 Message-ID: <sNGcndpA9bpVtYSiU-KYgg@metrocast.net>  6 "Stefaan A Eeckels" <hoendech@ecc.lu> wrote in message/ news:20030719104242.3e525210.hoendech@ecc.lu...  > On 18 Jul 2003 19:50:28 -0700 + > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:  >  > > ... most everyone now isF > > working on security for linux/windoze ... in other words, everyone/ > > is still trying to play catch up to VMS ...  > 3 > Isn't VMS a case of "security through obscurity"?   I Hey - Bob may be an idiot, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. D Obscurity may help some, but even in an absolute sense VMS is almostH certainly more secure than most other systems out there, including Unix.? Its problems are with its owner, particularly with said owner's K disinclination to keep VMS current with market needs (or to make any effort L to market it - but why market a system that cHumPaq itself clearly considers( suitable only for its existing niches?).   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2003 09:25:46 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: HP FUDBusting= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0307190825.440a2942@posting.google.com>   f Stefaan A Eeckels <hoendech@ecc.lu> wrote in message news:<20030719104242.3e525210.hoendech@ecc.lu>... > On 18 Jul 2003 19:50:28 -0700 + > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:  >  > > ... most everyone now isF > > working on security for linux/windoze ... in other words, everyone/ > > is still trying to play catch up to VMS ...  > 3 > Isn't VMS a case of "security through obscurity"?  > & > Just to make sure people get it: :-) >  > --  	 > Stefaan   ; no, vms is security through security ... and we all get it, 6 we get that you don't know what you are talking about!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:42:31 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal' Message-ID: <3F1974F7.2644EC87@fsi.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > [snip]G >   Accordingly, the V8.1 release would be an obvious candidate for the F >   first release that *might* be made available as a hobbyist releaseE >   or that *might* be as part of a hobbyist distribution.  (Emphasis < >   added here on the word *might* is entirely intentional.) > G >   Mark Gorham has previously indicated that we will offer OpenVMS I64 G >   to hobbyist users, but the specifics of the version and the program F >   -- and the various and sundry program and adminstrative details --@ >   all need to be determined before details can be provided and$ >   announcements can be made.  Etc. > G >   There will be an internal proposal circulating around this, so that E >   we can start incorporating some consistency in our statements and I >   -- of course -- some mention of these hobbyist plans and the expected F >   details around the target release, packaging, etc., in the various( >   presentations and related materials. > F >   As is so often the case, the decision is the easy part.  The "how"F >   and "when" parts are (as usual) more involved and far more effort.  G I'd like to volunteer any efforts I can provide to minimize the cost of  this to hp.   F Please remember to remove the obvious bit from the reply-to address if attempting to reply by e-mail.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2003 02:49:14 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) + Subject: Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold 3 Message-ID: <3l2uiZug06Xj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3F18A370.8CDC509B@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Rob Young wrote: >>  ^ >> In article <3F1741CA.68A18C5E@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> > Keith Parris wrote: >> >> F >> >> Newisys, Inc., a maker of Opteron motherboards, is being sold toF >> >> Sanmina-SCI, an electronics manufacturing services company.  The@ >> >> Inquirer reports Newisys blames lack of demand for Opteron >> >> motherboards. / >> >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10525  >> >> ) >> >> A press release from Newisys is at: B >> >> http://www.newisys.com/news/sanmina_acquisition07172003.html >> >K >> > Since Opteron is such relatively news news, I take that as a sign that H >> > someone over-estimated something, or put too many eggs in the wrong, >> > basket and got cold feet over the risk. >> > >>  G >>         Or sales just aren't there, as analysts point out.  If sales I >>         were there, they would be hiring instead of laying off.  Sales * >>         taking off?  Waiting for Godot. > D > ...or waiting for, as Terry Shannon once termed it, "unobtainium". > J > A fellow I know told me (seven years ago) that he was holding off buying- > a new PC because he was waiting for Merced.  >   J         And the point would be... strength of argument is picking a randomB         authority that doesn't understand what a new 64-bit was/isI         targetted at builds a case as to why Newisys went down the tubes?   
 > 'Nuff said.   
         Yeah.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 07:11:03 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold 2 Message-ID: <FIGdnUSxKvLOuoSiU-KYuQ@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:3l2uiZug06Xj@eisner.encompasserve.org...    ...   L >         And the point would be... strength of argument is picking a randomD >         authority that doesn't understand what a new 64-bit was/isK >         targetted at builds a case as to why Newisys went down the tubes?   G Spin on, Rob.  Newisys didn't 'go down the tubes', it showed sufficient I promise to get gobbled up and return its investors' money with interest - ( just what a start-up's *supposed* to do:  L http://www.statesman.com/business/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/busine ss_f371d9d1c525513f0010.html  J The only people let go were redundant sales and marketing types:  the restH of the crew, including the top management, is staying on to continue theD work without the distractions inherent in keeping a start-up afloat.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2003 07:16:43 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) + Subject: Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold 3 Message-ID: <fACBuR+2UNqB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <FIGdnUSxKvLOuoSiU-KYuQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:3l2uiZug06Xj@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >  > ...  > M >>         And the point would be... strength of argument is picking a random E >>         authority that doesn't understand what a new 64-bit was/is L >>         targetted at builds a case as to why Newisys went down the tubes? >  > Spin on, Rob.       $ > Newisys didn't 'go down the tubes'   	Well, sure:  ) http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=10525   7 Newisys blames lack of demand for AMD Opterons for sale   4 Will staff now be forced to make Intel motherboards?  O The problem is not many people were buying Opteron boxes - and as far as we can L gather, still aren't. Moles at Newisys say that Clay Cipione likes to put itN this way. "We've done all we can to make AMD successful. Now it's up to them".  N It might have helped if IBM had bought their machines after making encouragingJ noises, but it appears like Big Blue just decided to let Newisys flounder.  N > http://www.statesman.com/business/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/busine > ss_f371d9d1c525513f0010.html > L > The only people let go were redundant sales and marketing types:  the restJ > of the crew, including the top management, is staying on to continue theF > work without the distractions inherent in keeping a start-up afloat. >   9 	Maybe if we read the Statesman's article a little closer ; 	we are able to deduce those 100 engineers Sanmina acquired $ 	will indeed be doing Intel designs:  N "Newisys hoped to create sophisticated server designs that it would license toL major computer makers, such as IBM, Dell Computer Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co.M and Sun Microsystems Inc. So far, the company has struck licensing deals with B smaller computer makers, including San Diego-based RackSaver Inc."  ? 	Now that they are freed from the "Opteron only shackles", they B 	can design servers that Dell and HP might look at.  Dell doesn't	5 	do Opteron.  "Friends don't let friends do Opteron."  	  				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:02:18 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold 2 Message-ID: <HpmdndUNq6P73ISiXTWJig@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:fACBuR+2UNqB@eisner.encompasserve.org... @ > In article <FIGdnUSxKvLOuoSiU-KYuQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"  <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > > < > > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 > > news:3l2uiZug06Xj@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > >  > > ...  > > H > >>         And the point would be... strength of argument is picking a randomG > >>         authority that doesn't understand what a new 64-bit was/is G > >>         targetted at builds a case as to why Newisys went down the  tubes? > >  > > Spin on, Rob.  >  > & > > Newisys didn't 'go down the tubes' > 
 > Well, sure:  > + > http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=10525  > 9 > Newisys blames lack of demand for AMD Opterons for sale  > 6 > Will staff now be forced to make Intel motherboards? > J > The problem is not many people were buying Opteron boxes - and as far as we canK > gather, still aren't. Moles at Newisys say that Clay Cipione likes to put  itI > this way. "We've done all we can to make AMD successful. Now it's up to  them". > D > It might have helped if IBM had bought their machines after making encouraging L > noises, but it appears like Big Blue just decided to let Newisys flounder.  I So we have the usual rumor-level Inquirer reporting, and then we have the C considerably more substantive statements noted below.  Why am I not 5 surprised which you prefer to highlight in this case?    >  > > L http://www.statesman.com/business/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/busine  > > ss_f371d9d1c525513f0010.html > > I > > The only people let go were redundant sales and marketing types:  the  restL > > of the crew, including the top management, is staying on to continue theH > > work without the distractions inherent in keeping a start-up afloat. > >  > : > Maybe if we read the Statesman's article a little closer< > we are able to deduce those 100 engineers Sanmina acquired% > will indeed be doing Intel designs:  > E > "Newisys hoped to create sophisticated server designs that it would 
 license toJ > major computer makers, such as IBM, Dell Computer Corp., Hewlett-Packard Co. J > and Sun Microsystems Inc. So far, the company has struck licensing deals withD > smaller computer makers, including San Diego-based RackSaver Inc." > @ > Now that they are freed from the "Opteron only shackles", theyB > can design servers that Dell and HP might look at.  Dell doesn't6 > do Opteron.  "Friends don't let friends do Opteron."  I Nice try, turkey, but in this day and age I'm afraid that companies don't L shell out the better part of $100 million just to obtain the services of 100F engineers/managers and transfer them to some job other than that whichF they're currently doing.  Nor do they begin negotiations to purchase aJ company several months before its products ship without some real interest in those products.  I The article I cited is quite clear on what's happening with Newisys.  Not F that I'd expect you to be able to see that through the blinders you'reK wearing, but then as long as others take a look and make up their own minds 7 I really don't give a damn whether *you* see it or not.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:17:12 GMT  From: ian@hammo.com (paramucho) $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates3 Message-ID: <3f29e200.105296992@news.supernews.com>   5 On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:44:02 -0400, "Douglas A. Gwyn"  <DAGwyn@null.net> wrote:   >Rob Warnock wrote: J >> And OS-8 could even run with *only* DECtape as the "system disk", too!! > 5 >I once ran RT-11 off DECtape on a PDP-11/70 in DEC's $ >Marlboro facility.  It was amusing.  F I (like many others I guess) built a driver that would handle an RT-11F disk structure on a magtape. That was fun to watch -- one of those big buggers.     -- Ian " Impressive If Haughty - Q Magazine   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 03:33:22 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)H Subject: Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP,1 Message-ID: <03071903332289@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    > That tool is a mess.  > I use MPACK/MUNPACK and NBL... > Jan-Erik.   - I am not familiar with this.  Curious, where?   N However will it address the problem I am having?  The problem actually centersN around TCPIP - as in the informational message I get (%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP).  $ Oddly, MIME causes additional grief.   For example:  O Create file.txt with some (not all) records that exceed 1,000 characters.  Then $ mail it using two different methods:  * method # 1 (send file as part of the body) $ mail MAIL> send file.txt  To:     smtp%"me@domain.com" Subj:   testing J %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP, line contains more then 1000 bytes, splitting into multiple lines    4 method # 2 (send file as an attachment - using MIME) $ mime MIME>  open /draft file.msg  Message Headers: Content-Type:  text/plain + Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCII  MIME> add file.txt /text
 MIME> save
 MIME> exit# %MIME-I-SAVEFILE, saving file . . .    $ mail MAIL> send file.txt  To:     smtp%"me@domain.com" Subj:   testing J %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP, line contains more then 1000 bytes, splitting into multiple lines    K method # 1 will result in only those records that exceed 1,000 to be split.   2 method # 2 will result in all records being split.         J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 08:53:31 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) H Subject: Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP,0 Message-ID: <fG7Sa.457$zl5.377@news.cpqcorp.net>  \ In article <03071903332289@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes: :> That tool is a mess. ! :> I use MPACK/MUNPACK and NBL...  :> Jan-Erik. : . :I am not familiar with this.  Curious, where?  H   MPACK and MUNPACK are on the Freeware and elsewhere, and referenced inG   the FAQ.  NBL is not immediately familiar to me, but there is a match +   within the FAQ for the NBL search string.   O :However will it address the problem I am having?  The problem actually centers O :around TCPIP - as in the informational message I get (%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP).   I   Take a look at the SFF discussion within the TCP/IP SMTP documentation. I   Alternatively, Ask The Wizard (4492) -- the material in (4492) has been 2   moved into the IP documentation set and updated.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 03 13:51:51 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) H Subject: Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP,) Message-ID: <7BgNBZRdc36j@elias.decus.ch>   \ In article <03071903332289@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes: >> That tool is a mess. ! >> I use MPACK/MUNPACK and NBL...  >> Jan-Erik. > / > I am not familiar with this.  Curious, where?   ? It is on the V4 Freeware CD, in the [LEDERMAN.MPACK] directory.   E Also at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/LEDERMAN/MPACK/    > P > However will it address the problem I am having?  The problem actually centersP > around TCPIP - as in the informational message I get (%TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP). > & > Oddly, MIME causes additional grief. >  > For example: > Q > Create file.txt with some (not all) records that exceed 1,000 characters.  Then & > mail it using two different methods: > , > method # 1 (send file as part of the body) > $ mail > MAIL> send file.txt  > To:     smtp%"me@domain.com" > Subj:   testing L > %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP, line contains more then 1000 bytes, splitting into > multiple lines >   H Reproduced, and it truncated my 1 record (1520 bytes) file at 998 bytes.2 (sending from a TCP/IP system to a TCPWARE system)  L Sending the same file from the TCPWARE system to the TCP/IP system split the) one record into multipl 255 byte records.    > 6 > method # 2 (send file as an attachment - using MIME) > $ mime > MIME>  open /draft file.msg  > Message Headers: > Content-Type:  text/plain - > Content-Transfer-Encoding:  7bit/8Bit ASCII  > MIME> add file.txt /text > MIME> save > MIME> exit% > %MIME-I-SAVEFILE, saving file . . .  >  > $ mail > MAIL> send file.txt  > To:     smtp%"me@domain.com" > Subj:   testing L > %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP, line contains more then 1000 bytes, splitting into > multiple lines >  > M > method # 1 will result in only those records that exceed 1,000 to be split.  > 4 > method # 2 will result in all records being split. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:06:01 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)/ Subject: Re: [slightly OT] vax & alpha hardware L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1907031006010001@user-uinj4jh.dialup.mindspring.com>  = In article <398c9ca7.0307181600.49b2175b@posting.google.com>, ! wmr282@hotmail.com (w m r) wrote:     F >I also have an Alpha 3000-400s (sandpiper I think it was called).  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