1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 20 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 397       Contents: Custom Separator Page   Re: Custom Separator Page [DCPS] Re: DECnet over IP Re: Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2C Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates) G Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates) G Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates) F Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70? (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates) Re: HP FUDBusting  Re: HP FUDBusting  Re: Memory allocation  Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposal  Re: openvms-alpha license  Re: openvms-alpha license " Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold" Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates ' Printing to remote PCL5e/PCL6 lpd queue + Re: Printing to remote PCL5e/PCL6 lpd queue  SHOW CLUSTER: SAVE? Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP, ? Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP, & Re: [slightly OT] vax & alpha hardware& Re: [slightly OT] vax & alpha hardware  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2003 12:27:46 -0700$ From: tpercy23@hotmail.com (BigBarr) Subject: Custom Separator Page= Message-ID: <421ab8b7.0307191127.46970e1f@posting.google.com>   @ I have created a custom separator page that I would like printedC before each print job. My queues are already set to use a form with  the /setup= qualifier.E My question is how do I set the flag page to use the custom separator > page? I can set the flag in the dcps$startup.com but I get theF standard flag page printed. I'm sure this is a simple task, but I am aF beginner and I do not have any documentation available.  This site has4 been very helpful in the past.  Thanks for any help.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:39:38 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> ) Subject: Re: Custom Separator Page [DCPS] ; Message-ID: <_9oSa.5539$KZ.2330795@news1.news.adelphia.net>    BigBarr wrote:  B > I have created a custom separator page that I would like printedE > before each print job. My queues are already set to use a form with  > the /setup= qualifier.G > My question is how do I set the flag page to use the custom separator @ > page? I can set the flag in the dcps$startup.com but I get theH > standard flag page printed. I'm sure this is a simple task, but I am aH > beginner and I do not have any documentation available.  This site has6 > been very helpful in the past.  Thanks for any help.   I am a bit rusty on DCPS.   E With DCPS, setup modules that are to be used with all types of print  # jobs need to be done in PostScript.   G I seem to remember that you can set up DCPS to use different libraries  , of modules for the different printing types.  D I never looked into if the default flag pages could be modified.  I F would not be surprised if they could be, as DCPS has a number of ways - that the documentation allows customizations.   F Knowledge of PostScript is required for many of them.  For PostScript & information, see http://www.adobe.com.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2003 19:51:29 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: DECnet over IP = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0307191851.1587ad5f@posting.google.com>   o Martin Hunt <martin.hunt@fairfaxnz.co.nz> wrote in message news:<pl8ehvkb85qug7bcnhid4hgghna86tq3dr@4ax.com>... E > My employer would like to stop running DECnet over its WAN, so I am  > trying out DECnet over IP. > F > It works well, but the documentation is a bit brief in places, and IH > haven't found out how to make IP the default transport beteen nodes. ID > want users to be able to do "SET HOST NODE", rather than "SET HOST@ > NODE.DOMAIN". How do I do this? Each node is, in general, in aH > different domain (each of our operating divisions has its own domain). >  > --- 
 > Martin Hunt  > Systems Administrator  > Fairfax New Zealand Limited  > Wellington
 > New Zealand   B if you have TCPware, you can run true phase IV over IP ... a piece& of cake to configure and implement ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:22:14 GMT  From: Beach Runner@nospam.com # Subject: Re: Do ES45s run VMS 7.2-2 * Message-ID: <3F19B69A.AA7D9EDA@cfl.rr.com>   David Beatty wrote:   H > On 15 Jul 2003 13:20:55 -0700, chessmaster1010@hotmail.com (JG) wrote: > I > >Does anyone know if VMS 7.2-2 will run ok on an AlphaServer ES45?  The F > >HP VMS website says 7.3 is the minimum OS support, but I was hopingG > >they may have backported support in 7.2-2, or in one if its patches.  > > H > >I have a mixed VMS 6.2 and VMS 7.2 cluster and I can't upgrade all ofH > >the VMS 6.2 systems at the present time.  VMS 7.3 is not supported in( > >a mixed version cluster with VMS 6.2. > F >     We've had this discussion on comp.os.vms before.  There is a CPUB > routine specifically for the ES45 that is found in V7.3+ that is > absent in V7.2-2.  > C >     I'm running a development cluster with the following versions  > of VMS booted: >  >     VAX V6.2 >     Alpha V6.2 >     Alpha V7.1 >     Alpha V7.2-2 >     VAX V7.3 >     Alpha V7.3-1  C That doesn't mean you won't have problems.   Very often when you do A something unsupported it may work for a while, or be intermittent B and then strange things happen.  This will especially show up with? you stress the capabilities of the cluster or use new features.   A And then what do you do, tell colorado spring, but even though it I wasn't supposed to work, I got it to work, make it work again. They won't A do it. YOu are doing something that a data structure viewpoint is H unsupported. All you've been  is lucky and your luck could go out at any minute.   E It is a bad practice to break all the rules and accept things to keep  working.   Bob, Beach Runner.         >  > > > I've had no cluster related issues running with this type of2 > configuration; of course, your mileage may vary. > A >     Reading the release notes for V7.3-2, *that* version of VMS < > will only support a mixed version cluster with VAX V7.2 or > Alpha V7.2-2.  > 9 >     With the release of VMS731_UPDATE, you only need to 7 > apply VMS731_PCSI and VMS731_UPDATE to bring a V7.3-1  > system up to date. >  > David R. Beatty    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:45:09 +1000 C From: "Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart" <u1276a@uxnxixtxe.com.au> L Subject: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates), Message-ID: <3f19da65_1@news.iprimus.com.au>  4 "Douglas A. Gwyn" <DAGwyn@null.net> wrote in message* news:4b2dndNoSs4WUYWiXTWJjQ@comcast.com... > Rob Warnock wrote:K > > And OS-8 could even run with *only* DECtape as the "system disk", too!!  > 6 > I once ran RT-11 off DECtape on a PDP-11/70 in DEC's% > Marlboro facility.  It was amusing.  >   ? Interesting.  The RT-11 V5.5 SPD does not mention the PDP-11/70 > yet p257 of the RT-11 V5.5 Mini Reference Manual has bit 14 of? the Configuration Word 2 is set if it is a PDP-11/70 processor.   > Was this used for the RT-11 Emulation under RSTS/E and/or RSX,& or did RT-11 run native on this beast?  
 Thanks, Andy.   - PS.  I was told RT-11 runs on the VAX-11/780, , very easily on the LSI-11 console processor,> at least once in compatability mode for testing purposes.  :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2003 00:18:27 GMT" From: budd@csa.bu.edu (Phil Budne)P Subject: Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates)' Message-ID: <bfcn4j$fil$1@news3.bu.edu>   , In article <3f19da65_1@news.iprimus.com.au>,B Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart <u1276a@uxnxixtxe.com.au> wrote:. >PS.  I was told RT-11 runs on the VAX-11/780,- >very easily on the LSI-11 console processor, ? >at least once in compatability mode for testing purposes.  :-)   A What sort of "compatibility mode" would an LSI-11 need to run RT?   E There was a package called "RTEM" that allowed you to boot RT-11 on a A VAXen that had PDP-11 compatibility mode.  It seemed very fast in  comparison to my PDT-11/50!    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 03 04:25:32 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) P Subject: Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70?  (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates)) Message-ID: <4+Y7aD$kEX4p@elias.decus.ch>   r In article <3f19da65_1@news.iprimus.com.au>, "Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart" <u1276a@uxnxixtxe.com.au> writes:6 > "Douglas A. Gwyn" <DAGwyn@null.net> wrote in message, > news:4b2dndNoSs4WUYWiXTWJjQ@comcast.com... >> Rob Warnock wrote: L >> > And OS-8 could even run with *only* DECtape as the "system disk", too!! >>7 >> I once ran RT-11 off DECtape on a PDP-11/70 in DEC's & >> Marlboro facility.  It was amusing. >> > A > Interesting.  The RT-11 V5.5 SPD does not mention the PDP-11/70 @ > yet p257 of the RT-11 V5.5 Mini Reference Manual has bit 14 ofA > the Configuration Word 2 is set if it is a PDP-11/70 processor.  > @ > Was this used for the RT-11 Emulation under RSTS/E and/or RSX,( > or did RT-11 run native on this beast? >  > Thanks, Andy.  > / > PS.  I was told RT-11 runs on the VAX-11/780, . > very easily on the LSI-11 console processor,@ > at least once in compatability mode for testing purposes.  :-) >   . The 11/780 console floppy was an RT-11 volume.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 01:20:19 +0000 (UTC)  From: Megan <mbg@TheWorld.com>O Subject: Re: Does RT-11 run on the PDP-11/70? (was Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates) ( Message-ID: <bfcqoj$s8j$1@pcls4.std.com>  E "Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart" <u1276a@uxnxixtxe.com.au> writes:   @ >Interesting.  The RT-11 V5.5 SPD does not mention the PDP-11/70? >yet p257 of the RT-11 V5.5 Mini Reference Manual has bit 14 of @ >the Configuration Word 2 is set if it is a PDP-11/70 processor.  F RT-11 does indeed run on 11/70s, though for some reason I forget afterD so many years, we couldn't specifically say that it was supported on same.   ? >Was this used for the RT-11 Emulation under RSTS/E and/or RSX, ' >or did RT-11 run native on this beast?   C It runs native... I used to run it all the time back in the V3 days B on an 11/70 at DEC in the ed services lab at PK2 (when ed services was in maynard).   >Thanks, Andy.  . >PS.  I was told RT-11 runs on the VAX-11/780,- >very easily on the LSI-11 console processor, ? >at least once in compatability mode for testing purposes.  :-)   C I never tried running it on the Console of the VAX, though it would D probably work just fine (though one drive is a bit cramped).  As for7 running on a VAX, only on one which has RTEM installed.   4                                         Megan Gentry>                                         Former RT-11 Developer  H +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+H | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL   | email: mbg at world.std.com         |H | Member of Technical Staff      |        megan at savaje.com          |H | SavaJe Technologies, Inc.      |             (s/ at /@/)             |H | 100 Apollo Drive               | URL:     http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |H | Chelmsford, MA 01460           | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |H | (978) 256 6521   (DEC '77-'98) |  required." - mbg            KB1FCA |H +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:35:58 GMT + From: "Ed Ponzini" <ed.ponzini@verizon.net>  Subject: Re: HP FUDBusting8 Message-ID: <yBkSa.32514$EZ2.16722@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  ! See HP's site for the details ...   G * The EV79 Alpha processor will ship in 2004; it is said to be the last K Alpha processor; AlphaServer sales will continue  through 2005 with support 
 through 2011.   D * Tru64 Unix (Vail) on EV7 in 2003, and (Utah) on EV79 in 2004; someJ selected Tru64 Unix features are said to migrating to HP-UX in 2004, e.g., TruCluster and AdvFS.   K * OpenVMS v7.3-1 on EV7 in 2002-2003, and vNext on EV79 in 2004 and Itanium  in 2005.   Something to think about ...  5 "Schmuck" <yamahasw40@latinmail.com> wrote in message 6 news:24819cc3.0307171340.ffd452d@posting.google.com...	 > Hi all,  > G > First up.. have to admit that I am not an Alpha guy, but I am dealing C > with a site that is. I will probably expose my ignorance over the H > wealth of OSs available from HP in the next couple of lines, so please
 > be kind. > F > There is a lot of FUD coming out of various vendors about the futureH > of HPs "other OSs". Ie.. if its not HP-UX, it will die with the switch
 > to Itanium.  > H > What is the real deal? If I buy an Alphaserver today will I be dealing+ > with HP Techs who can't even spell Tru64?  > ? > Essentially we need to consider the TCO of the shop before we F > recommend a platform. (I don't actually care that much.. Anybody butH > Microsoft). If these guys will have an uphill battle with support overD > the time-life of this sistem (predicted at 5 years with a possibleF > stretch to 7), they are better off retraining their OSF and VMS guys
 > upfront. >  > Any opinions appreciated.  >  > Matt   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:45:47 GMT + From: "Ed Ponzini" <ed.ponzini@verizon.net>  Subject: Re: HP FUDBusting8 Message-ID: <LKkSa.32533$EZ2.23757@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  I Regarding Tru64 Unix, see the 'Tru64 Unix to HP-UX Porting Guide' at HP's  site -- 238 pages.  5 "Schmuck" <yamahasw40@latinmail.com> wrote in message 6 news:24819cc3.0307171340.ffd452d@posting.google.com...	 > Hi all,  > G > First up.. have to admit that I am not an Alpha guy, but I am dealing C > with a site that is. I will probably expose my ignorance over the H > wealth of OSs available from HP in the next couple of lines, so please
 > be kind. > F > There is a lot of FUD coming out of various vendors about the futureH > of HPs "other OSs". Ie.. if its not HP-UX, it will die with the switch
 > to Itanium.  > H > What is the real deal? If I buy an Alphaserver today will I be dealing+ > with HP Techs who can't even spell Tru64?  > ? > Essentially we need to consider the TCO of the shop before we F > recommend a platform. (I don't actually care that much.. Anybody butH > Microsoft). If these guys will have an uphill battle with support overD > the time-life of this sistem (predicted at 5 years with a possibleF > stretch to 7), they are better off retraining their OSF and VMS guys
 > upfront. >  > Any opinions appreciated.  >  > Matt   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 04:20:24 GMT * From: "Mark Buda" <buda_NO@SPAM.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Memory allocation; Message-ID: <cMoSa.5555$KZ.2342127@news1.news.adelphia.net>    :-)   % You must be thinking of Windows XP...    :-)    *--   
 Sincerely,	 Mark Buda     7 "Seghers Bruno" <b.seghers@europe.com> wrote in message 6 news:1fe424ce.0307180512.75ed657@posting.google.com...H > I have a lingering doubt in my mind over programs using virtual memoryG > like MALLOC in C or LIB$GET_VM. I have a feeling that at one time you H > had to deallocate the memory before logout or it was lost to all users > and  > became like a memory leak. > @ > Has VMS (7.3-1) now fixed this problem or does it still exist. > D > I ask because one of the programs that I am working on has lots of > calls ? > to a MALLOC and I suspect that it doues not always do a FREE.  > 
 > Regards, >  > Seghers Bruno 	 > Belgium    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:18:52 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: Re: OpenVMS I64, a proposalF Message-ID: <wlkSa.6262$2h1.3281@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3F1974F7.2644EC87@fsi.net...  > Hoff Hoffman wrote: 
 > > [snip]E > >   Accordingly, the V8.1 release would be an obvious candidate for  the @ > >   first release that *might* be made available as a hobbyist release < > >   or that *might* be as part of a hobbyist distribution.	 (Emphasis > > >   added here on the word *might* is entirely intentional.) > > E > >   Mark Gorham has previously indicated that we will offer OpenVMS  I64 A > >   to hobbyist users, but the specifics of the version and the  program = > >   -- and the various and sundry program and adminstrative 
 details --B > >   all need to be determined before details can be provided and& > >   announcements can be made.  Etc. > > D > >   There will be an internal proposal circulating around this, so thatC > >   we can start incorporating some consistency in our statements  and B > >   -- of course -- some mention of these hobbyist plans and the expected@ > >   details around the target release, packaging, etc., in the various * > >   presentations and related materials. > > B > >   As is so often the case, the decision is the easy part.  The "how" @ > >   and "when" parts are (as usual) more involved and far more effort.  > F > I'd like to volunteer any efforts I can provide to minimize the cost of
 > this to hp.     D Just make the volunteer effort conditional on the savings HP garners+ be plowed exclusively into VMS advertising.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:30:20 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>" Subject: Re: openvms-alpha license9 Message-ID: <wThSa.176$8f7.36@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>   - Excellent question Larry.  I was quoting from L http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/terms_and_conditions.txt which then goes onL to use "home use" as an example.  Question for the good people from HP, doesL "non commercial" allow non profit use in the context of the "HEWLETT PACKARD& HOBBY LICENSE AGREEMENT For OpenVMS" ?  / This could open up an interesting can of worms.      -- Andy Bustamante  remove the ASCII 95s to reply     : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:QNO4iasyhxWa@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > E > The last I heard, the machine had to be used in a home for hobbyist 	 purposes.  > G > This is quite different from non-commercial, which would cover use by  > churches, etc. >    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 03 04:14:08 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) " Subject: Re: openvms-alpha license) Message-ID: <MNjjLDfJ9EWP@elias.decus.ch>   r In article <wThSa.176$8f7.36@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>, "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> writes:   <top posting corrected>      >  > < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:QNO4iasyhxWa@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >>F >> The last I heard, the machine had to be used in a home for hobbyist > purposes.  >>H >> This is quite different from non-commercial, which would cover use by >> churches, etc.   / > Excellent question Larry.  I was quoting from N > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/terms_and_conditions.txt which then goes onN > to use "home use" as an example.  Question for the good people from HP, doesN > "non commercial" allow non profit use in the context of the "HEWLETT PACKARD( > HOBBY LICENSE AGREEMENT For OpenVMS" ? > 1 > This could open up an interesting can of worms.  > $ The paragraph in question says this:  E "Use of the Licensed Computer is ONLY FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USES (e.g.,  C home use).  As such, you may not use the Licensed Computer for any  @ business purposes whatsoever, e.g., to develop applications for ( resale, to do business accounting, etc."  E With the caveat of IANAL, my interpretation of that is it probably OK F to use the Hobbyist license  for something like  money raising efforts? for a _local_ charity /  church / school project, but you could F definitely not run a national campaign involving TV and press ads, nor! do their official business on it.   > "Non profit" does not equal "non commercial" in my opinion, as? charities, churches, and educational institutions are often big  businesses.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2003 11:04:54 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) + Subject: Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold 3 Message-ID: <h2oMokLK5zkp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <HpmdndUNq6P73ISiXTWJig@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:fACBuR+2UNqB@eisner.encompasserve.org... A >> In article <FIGdnUSxKvLOuoSiU-KYuQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" " > <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >> >= >> > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message 2 >> > news:3l2uiZug06Xj@eisner.encompasserve.org... >> > >> > ... >> >I >> >>         And the point would be... strength of argument is picking a  > randomH >> >>         authority that doesn't understand what a new 64-bit was/isH >> >>         targetted at builds a case as to why Newisys went down the > tubes? >> > >> > Spin on, Rob. >> >>' >> > Newisys didn't 'go down the tubes'  >> >> Well, sure: >>, >> http://www.theinquirer.org/?article=10525 >>: >> Newisys blames lack of demand for AMD Opterons for sale >>7 >> Will staff now be forced to make Intel motherboards?  >>K >> The problem is not many people were buying Opteron boxes - and as far as  > we canL >> gather, still aren't. Moles at Newisys say that Clay Cipione likes to put > itJ >> this way. "We've done all we can to make AMD successful. Now it's up to > them". >>E >> It might have helped if IBM had bought their machines after making 
 > encouraging M >> noises, but it appears like Big Blue just decided to let Newisys flounder.  > 5 > So we have the usual rumor-level Inquirer reporting   $ 	Yes.  One of your favorite sources.  D > Why am I not surprised which you prefer to highlight in this case?  ; 	Well...  your original point was skewering me for claiming : 	that Newisys was down the tubes.  I provided a reference.   >  >> >> >N > http://www.statesman.com/business/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/busine! >> > ss_f371d9d1c525513f0010.html  >> >J >> > The only people let go were redundant sales and marketing types:  the > restM >> > of the crew, including the top management, is staying on to continue the I >> > work without the distractions inherent in keeping a start-up afloat.  >> > >>; >> Maybe if we read the Statesman's article a little closer = >> we are able to deduce those 100 engineers Sanmina acquired & >> will indeed be doing Intel designs: >>F >> "Newisys hoped to create sophisticated server designs that it would > license toK >> major computer makers, such as IBM, Dell Computer Corp., Hewlett-Packard  > Co. K >> and Sun Microsystems Inc. So far, the company has struck licensing deals  > withE >> smaller computer makers, including San Diego-based RackSaver Inc."  >>A >> Now that they are freed from the "Opteron only shackles", they C >> can design servers that Dell and HP might look at.  Dell doesn't 7 >> do Opteron.  "Friends don't let friends do Opteron."  > K > Nice try, turkey, but in this day and age I'm afraid that companies don't N > shell out the better part of $100 million just to obtain the services of 100H > engineers/managers and transfer them to some job other than that which > they're currently doing.    > 	Terms of the agreement were not disclosed.  That $100 million. 	sounds good, but it may have been a lot less.    	Again, the Statesman says this:  I "No sales price was disclosed for the transaction, but Hester hinted that E Newisys' venture investors and its employee shareholders made money.    A "The venture guys are very happy, and I am very happy," he said."   A 	So does that mean the company sold for $55 million + $10 million G 	to keep the VC guys happy? That $100 million of yours is very suspect  G 	as you beat Business Week, Yahoo, the Statesman and others to what it  ? 	was sold for.  $65 million for engineering talent and designs, F 	pending orders may not be a bad gamble. Besides, they may have gainedB 	$20 million in cash in the deal.  Sanmina has to try something.  F 	They are a battered company having 4 straight losing quarters, total > 	losses close to $3 billion (one time charge of $2.6 billion).  B 	But maybe you are right all around.  Maybe it was/is $100 millionA 	and Newisys expects to make money over the next few years.  Fair < 	enough.  Given that Newisys may have gone for a $40 million< 	dollar premium above and beyond fair market value, might be5 	a clue to just how fantastic Opteron is going to be.   . > Nor do they begin negotiations to purchase aL > company several months before its products ship without some real interest > in those products.  A 	That's interesting.  You can order a Newisys Opteron today from  = 	RackServer.  Perhaps you are hinting big things in the 4-way          space.   > K > The article I cited is quite clear on what's happening with Newisys.  Not H > that I'd expect you to be able to see that through the blinders you'reM > wearing, but then as long as others take a look and make up their own minds 9 > I really don't give a damn whether *you* see it or not.  >   ? 	I read the Statesman article front to back.  I'm also familiar @ 	with The Inquirer article.  All this is interesting.  We'll see3 	if Newisys becomes more than an Opteron only shop.    				Rob	   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:01:05 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: Opteron motherboard maker sold 2 Message-ID: <FPednQ3LhOkTPoSiXTWJjQ@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:h2oMokLK5zkp@eisner.encompasserve.org... @ > In article <HpmdndUNq6P73ISiXTWJig@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"  <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > > < > > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 > > news:fACBuR+2UNqB@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > >> In article <FIGdnUSxKvLOuoSiU-KYuQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" $ > > <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:   ...    > >> > > > L http://www.statesman.com/business/content/auto/epaper/editions/friday/busine# > >> > ss_f371d9d1c525513f0010.html  > >> >L > >> > The only people let go were redundant sales and marketing types:  the > > restK > >> > of the crew, including the top management, is staying on to continue  the K > >> > work without the distractions inherent in keeping a start-up afloat.  > >> > > >>= > >> Maybe if we read the Statesman's article a little closer ? > >> we are able to deduce those 100 engineers Sanmina acquired ( > >> will indeed be doing Intel designs: > >>H > >> "Newisys hoped to create sophisticated server designs that it would > > license to= > >> major computer makers, such as IBM, Dell Computer Corp.,  Hewlett-Packard  > > Co. G > >> and Sun Microsystems Inc. So far, the company has struck licensing  deals  > > withG > >> smaller computer makers, including San Diego-based RackSaver Inc."  > >>C > >> Now that they are freed from the "Opteron only shackles", they E > >> can design servers that Dell and HP might look at.  Dell doesn't 9 > >> do Opteron.  "Friends don't let friends do Opteron."  > > G > > Nice try, turkey, but in this day and age I'm afraid that companies  don't L > > shell out the better part of $100 million just to obtain the services of 100 J > > engineers/managers and transfer them to some job other than that which > > they're currently doing. > ? > Terms of the agreement were not disclosed.  That $100 million / > sounds good, but it may have been a lot less.   H Exactly what part of the phrase 'the better part of $100 million' do youG find difficult to understand?  The point was that if the investors were J happy, they presumably got considerably more than the $55 million they putJ in.  For VCs, that likely means *at least* something close to a 50% return  (over the three years involved).   > ! > Again, the Statesman says this:  > K > "No sales price was disclosed for the transaction, but Hester hinted that F > Newisys' venture investors and its employee shareholders made money. > C > "The venture guys are very happy, and I am very happy," he said."  > B > So does that mean the company sold for $55 million + $10 millionG > to keep the VC guys happy? That $100 million of yours is very suspect   5 It's your reading ability that's suspect, I'm afraid.   G > as you beat Business Week, Yahoo, the Statesman and others to what it @ > was sold for.  $65 million for engineering talent and designs,G > pending orders may not be a bad gamble. Besides, they may have gained A > $20 million in cash in the deal.  Sanmina has to try something.   G And what they've chosen to try is to leverage the fortunes of a partner G whose prospects they likely understand considerably better than you do.    ...   0 > > Nor do they begin negotiations to purchase aE > > company several months before its products ship without some real  interest > > in those products. > A > That's interesting.  You can order a Newisys Opteron today from > > RackServer.  Perhaps you are hinting big things in the 4-way >         space.  F Perhaps you need to read the article again:  negotiations began at the beginning of this year.    >  > > H > > The article I cited is quite clear on what's happening with Newisys. Not J > > that I'd expect you to be able to see that through the blinders you'reI > > wearing, but then as long as others take a look and make up their own  minds ; > > I really don't give a damn whether *you* see it or not.  > >  > - > I read the Statesman article front to back.   E Try moving your lips next time to see if it helps your comprehension.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2003 19:14:01 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates* Message-ID: <bfc59p$k5s$1@news1.radix.net>  3 Bob WIllard <BobwBSGS@trashthis.comcast.net> wrote:  > Thomas Dickey wrote:K >> That's still much later (approaching 10 years) than the design of BASIC. H >> According to what I'm reading, BASIC was designed around 1964 (my ownJ >> recollection was that it was a little later, e.g., 1967, but that mightI >> be tainted with some recollection about where it was adopted for use).  >>  R >> ("bipolar" probably refers in this context to an SSI or MSI technology, perhapsD >> not what I would have meant by semiconductor, e.g., LSI or VLSI). >>    G > And the winner is -- 1964.  See http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DartmouthBasic   I I was reading something like that (skimmed several hits from google).  My O reference to recollection was what I was told about BASIC back in the mid-70's.   K However, just because I read it on the web - or in a professional journal - O doesn't make it true.  I have in mind an article which appeared 10-15 years ago P in one of the latter which was a recap of the early history of microprocessors. I Most of the dates cited were wrong, as much as 2 years.  For instance, it I quoted the release date for the Intel 8008 as that of the 8080.  Not even  close...   --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2003 20:50:09 GMT+ From: Mike Zanker <not-for-mail@zanker.org> 0 Subject: Printing to remote PCL5e/PCL6 lpd queue7 Message-ID: <Xns93BDDE20B13BEmikezankerorg@130.133.1.4>    Hi,   H I have a Samsung ML-4600 (PCL6) printer attached to a remote lpd queue. E Would it be possible to set up a print queue on my Alpha to print to  H this? I have TCP/IP 5.3 installed so I guess it could be done using LPD ! but how do I get it to talk PCL6?    Thanks in advance,   Mike.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:18:41 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 4 Subject: Re: Printing to remote PCL5e/PCL6 lpd queue; Message-ID: <lSnSa.5536$KZ.2323670@news1.news.adelphia.net>    Mike Zanker wrote:  J > I have a Samsung ML-4600 (PCL6) printer attached to a remote lpd queue. G > Would it be possible to set up a print queue on my Alpha to print to  J > this? I have TCP/IP 5.3 installed so I guess it could be done using LPD # > but how do I get it to talk PCL6?   @ It depends if it's LPD implemenation is compatable with the LPR  implementation on TCPIP 5.3.  C PCL6 is escape sequences sent to a printer to change it's printing   characteristics.  I With OpenVMS, it is up to the application to insert the escape sequences  8 it needs.  The print queue just passed the data through.  D You can customize a print queue with a text library through printer 9 forms that will send the escape sequences to the printer.   H It is better if you can find out a raw TCP/IP pass through port and use  telnetsym instead of LPR.n   -John2 wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only:   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:52:35 +0000 (UTC)eP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: SHOW CLUSTER: SAVEr$ Message-ID: <bfcb2j$441$1@online.de>  6 OK, I'm customising my SHOW_CLUSTER.COM (pointed to by SHOW_CLUSTER$INIT).   < At first, I fired up SHOW CLUSTER/CONTINUOUS, did some stuffF interactively, and SAVEd it.  Works as expected (i.e. the commands areG executed as I had entered them interactively.)  However, when trying toeE add a new CLASS, the resulting SHOW_CLUSTER.COM does something else. oC If, however, I edit it by hand and enter the commands I would have eG entered interactively, the resulting procedure does work as expected.   D In other words, sometimes SAVE does not SAVE exactly what one typed.   Bug or feature?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:32:09 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>dH Subject: Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP,' Message-ID: <3F198EA9.306D1E9A@aaa.com>   @ Others has answered on the "where", I'd just like to show "how".  @ I use MPACK/NBL on a 7*24*356 batch system that sends files from/ a few 100 bytes to several 100 K bytes in size.l  1 One example of the DCL code used (I'v stipped thea" error checking code for clarity) :    1 $! trc_file is (in this case) a textfile with 150g/ $! char records and from a few to several 10 ofe1 $! 1000 of records. The other symbols are more ort6 $! less self explainationary (or whatever it's called)1 $! mailard is an address in the form "user@a.b.c"n $! $ zip -jl 'zip_file' 'trcfile'1 $ mpack -s "''subject'" -o 'mime_file' 'zip_file' ) $ mail 'mime_file'   "nbl%""''mailadr'"""u $! $! That's all folks !  $!  A The system sends a couple of 100's of mailis per day and there isaB no problems at "the other side", mostly PC users around the world.  	 Jan-Erik.    John Brandon wrote:  >  > > That tool is a mess." > > I use MPACK/MUNPACK and NBL...
 > > Jan-Erik.n > / > I am not familiar with this.  Curious, where?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:05:01 -0500e( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)H Subject: Re: Using MIME and SMTP mail results in %TCPIP-I-SMTP_LINEWRAP,1 Message-ID: <03071920050166@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e   To:a    Jan-Erika    p_sture@elias.decus.chb    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffmanv  < Thanks for the information and confirmation on this problem.  M We found that converting files with a LRL >1,000 to a Stream_LF helped out asiM well.  Before the convert, the MIME/SMTP transacation would split all recordseL regardless of LRL size.  After converting the file w/Stream_LF the MIME/SMTP* only splits those records that are >1,000.  # I will look into NBL and M/MUNPACK.l    $ Thanks again, more homework to do...       J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nt VMS Systems Administratoru* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2003 15:42:06 -0700  From: wmr282@hotmail.com (w m r)/ Subject: Re: [slightly OT] vax & alpha hardware-= Message-ID: <398c9ca7.0307191442.4efe3bb3@posting.google.com>o   rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote in message news:<rdeininger-1907031006010001@user-uinj4jh.dialup.mindspring.com>...  0 > ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/dec-docs/  % Lots of fabulous stuff there, thanks.a   Mike   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2003 15:41:25 -0700  From: wmr282@hotmail.com (w m r)/ Subject: Re: [slightly OT] vax & alpha hardware = Message-ID: <398c9ca7.0307191441.7248cd1a@posting.google.com>t  < > I'm not sure we need another OS on VAX -- but it's a good % > intellectual challenge.  Good luck.O  E I may never do it, but I'd like to see if it actually runs on anotheriC architecture, someday.  The VAX is just sitting around, poor thing.    Mike   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.397 ************************