1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 30 Jul 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 417       Contents:= Re: %EIA0, unsupported vendor (something), device set offline = Re: %EIA0, unsupported vendor (something), device set offline P Re: Console port 2001 on DECserver 90m - Eliminations of messages when used as pP Re: Console port 2001 on DECserver 90m - Eliminations of messages when used as pP Re: Console port 2001 on DECserver 90m - Eliminations of messages when used as p Re: EMC on VMS# Re: Encompass Members - Please Help  Re: Firewall for VMSG ISV enthusiasm for OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers grows with LogicaCMG  KFPSA Needed+ Re: Moving cluster whilst maintaing quorum. + Re: Moving cluster whilst maintaing quorum. + Re: Moving cluster whilst maintaing quorum.  RE: NT Clusters  Re: NT Clusters  RE: NT Clusters  Re: OpenVms Backup+ OT:problems with JCC oracleRDB mailing list " Re: Packed decimal arithmetic in C" Re: Packed decimal arithmetic in C Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates  Re: Problems with NFS . SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)2 RE: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)2 Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)2 Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)/ Sun tries to woo AlphaServer users away from HP 3 Re: Sun tries to woo AlphaServer users away from HP 3 Re: Sun tries to woo AlphaServer users away from HP  Re: Teergrube for VMS ?   Re: the newest file in directory> Re: Threaded application crashes on a VAX, but not on an Alpha> Re: Threaded application crashes on a VAX, but not on an Alpha> Re: Threaded application crashes on a VAX, but not on an Alpha> Re: Threaded application crashes on a VAX, but not on an Alpha? Re: VMS clusters anyone? An advertising & marketing opportunity ? Re: VMS clusters anyone? An advertising & marketing opportunity ? Re: VMS clusters anyone? An advertising & marketing opportunity ? RE: VMS clusters anyone? An advertising & marketing opportunity   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:50:40 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>F Subject: Re: %EIA0, unsupported vendor (something), device set offline2 Message-ID: <bg6caq$uoa$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   David J. Dachtera wrote:
 > Z wrote: > D >>I got this error today after booting to the OpenVMS 7.1-2 CD on an# >>Alpha machine (a GS-40, I think).  >>C >>The device in question was the HP tape drive, a TZ-89 type drive.  >>H >>Before I booted to CD, I could see the drive as MKB600.  After bootingH >>to the CD and choosing the DCL option (7), show device didn't list it. >>5 >>What's the underlying problem and how can I fix it?  >  > ) > EIA0 sounds like an ethernet interface.   Q It is. I have a combined ethernet/LVD SCSI/Graphics card in some new DS10's, and  J the ethernet interface shows up as EIA0. It is recognised under VMS 7.3-1.     > J > What VMS version was the box running before you booted up the CD? V7.1-2E > may very well not understand Tx89s. Dunno. Even V7.2-2 doesn't have G > /DENSITY keywords for it in DCL. The only machine I have that I could I > examine that on is the Lab's production ES40. So, not exactly possible, 4 > and may not be a valid test since you have a GS40. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:26:04 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> F Subject: Re: %EIA0, unsupported vendor (something), device set offline6 Message-ID: <3f26d85d$0$49115$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   Dirk Munk wrote: > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  >> Z wrote:  >>F >>> I got this error today after booting to the OpenVMS 7.1-2 CD on an% >>> Alpha machine (a GS-40, I think).  >>> E >>> The device in question was the HP tape drive, a TZ-89 type drive.  >>> J >>> Before I booted to CD, I could see the drive as MKB600.  After bootingJ >>> to the CD and choosing the DCL option (7), show device didn't list it. >>> 7 >>> What's the underlying problem and how can I fix it?  >> >> >>* >> EIA0 sounds like an ethernet interface. >  > G > It is. I have a combined ethernet/LVD SCSI/Graphics card in some new  H > DS10's, and the ethernet interface shows up as EIA0. It is recognised  > under VMS 7.3-1. >  >   1 DE602 cards also appear as EIAn and EIBn devices.   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:35:04 -0400 < From: "Carlc Internet Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com>Y Subject: Re: Console port 2001 on DECserver 90m - Eliminations of messages when used as p 0 Message-ID: <t7zVa.70$xq3.35269@news.uswest.net>  $ <sdavidson@uss.com> wrote in message7 news:caf27c79.0307290727.27881a13@posting.google.com... G > We have a line printer connected to port 1 of a DECserver 90m that is G > running Network Access SW V2.2 for DS90M  BL29-52, the port is set up H > for LPR/LPD. We are get network access messages from the server on the, > printer is there away of eliminating them?  H I don't recall the commands to kill off the console messages, I think it might be4 hardwired into Port 1. Especially rebooting the 90m.  G Can't you move the printer to another port and put a terminal on Port 1  where E the console messages won't be so bad? Or are these messages happening E during the course of the day (while running and not during a bootup).   K Otherwise, telnet into the 90m, and do a "show port 1" then a "show server" G and post it back on the new group. Someone may know what to turn off/on H to solve the issue (although, I don't think it can't be fixed for port 1 during aI bootup, you will always get messages on Port 1 during the bootup of a 90m * [I am glad to be proven wrong on this!] ).  
 Good luck, Carl   ==================== http://www.carlc.com/   =       "Price, Performance, Quality. Choose any two you like."    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:06:13 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> Y Subject: Re: Console port 2001 on DECserver 90m - Eliminations of messages when used as p = Message-ID: <VsAVa.3439$Hj3.31597683@news-text.cableinet.net>   H "set / define / change console port N" will direct console output to theH selected port (as far as I can remember). Probably needs to be restartedJ afterwards - and tested. See the embedded help in the DECserver (try: help
 set console).   A -----------------------------------------------------------------  Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:27:53 +0200 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> Y Subject: Re: Console port 2001 on DECserver 90m - Eliminations of messages when used as p 6 Message-ID: <3f26d8ca$0$49115$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   Colin Butcher wrote:J > "set / define / change console port N" will direct console output to theJ > selected port (as far as I can remember). Probably needs to be restartedL > afterwards - and tested. See the embedded help in the DECserver (try: help > set console).  > C > -----------------------------------------------------------------  > Hope this helps, Colin. + > colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk N > Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and > networks.  >  >   G Indeed, but you can also do { SET | DEFINE | CHANGE } console port none   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:50:55 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: EMC on VMS @ Message-ID: <P6BVa.14383$Vx2.7083691@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>  G So Andrew, do you recommend StorageWorks storage to your Sun customers?    Todd  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> : wrote in message news:bg2s46$qf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Rob Young wrote:J > > In article <bfp1im$hv9$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK; Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  > >  > >>Rob Young wrote: > >  > > ' > >>>>with black and white type answers  > >>>  > >>> = > >>> Nitpicking is all you have to offer, I'm not surprised.  > >>>  > >> > >>Don't be an arse Rob.  > >>: > >>EMC's arn't fault tollerent and they do go away and if; > >>you really want me to make you look small I can provide 3 > >>you with plenty of examples of them going away.  > >> > >  > > ( > > Plenty?  Hah.  gunbroker.com - sure. > >  > >  > : > The customer I used to advise lost 4 symetrix in one go. > ; > An EMC engineer was doing a bit of proactive maintance on : > the EMC estate which involved upgrading the microcode on> > the machines, unfortunately the code release had a bug which > hung the symetrix. > 7 > We got a support call in Tokyo to tell us that one of : > the Sun servers had failed, the customer stopped logging8 > calls at ~the 6th machine because it was obviously not9 > a Sun problem, they were also loging calls on their IBM  > AIX estate at the same time. > 7 > By the time the customer worked out what was going on 9 > they had lost 1 of their symetrix boxes in Singapore as  > well.  >  > : > The only good thing as far as the customer was concerned; > was that they had been negociating with EMC to be able to = > manage their own boxes, the outage tipped the deal in their 	 > favour.  >  >  > < > >>Upgrading to a duff version of the microcode is just one; > >>example.  Not having a mirrored write cache is another.  > >  > > 8 > > The mirrored cache FUD is a good one.  Of course youA > > probably have a dozen public examples of cache boards blowing  > > out, right?  No. > >  > = > So is it or is it not mirrored Rob, answers in one line Rob  > not your usual verbose BS. > B > > You are getting in on this very late.  The issue that you haveC > > your nose in here is HBVS and EMC.  If you are shadowing across C > > two datacenters, losing storage isn't the problem.  The problem > > > is bad blocks, okay?  EMC doesn't deliver bad blocks.  EMCF > > storage doesn't go away.  (Now there is an implied "mostly" there,C > > you are just nitpicking my friend).  AND if the storage somehow I > > went away (datacenter outtage), you don't have filesystem corruption, A > > you are running VMS.  The write made it or it didn't.  If the E > > writes are that important, they go to two different PLACES at the E > > same time and we have 3 separate OSes performing that trick using  > > varying techniques.  > >  > B > What has this got to do with your completely incorrect statement> > that EMC doesn't go away period. Its still BS whatever point/ > in the discussion you choose to inject it in.  > C > As for blanket statements read your own BS first before replying.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:46:41 -0600 ' From: "Dale E. Coy" <dalecoy@spinn.net> , Subject: Re: Encompass Members - Please Help/ Message-ID: <vidn9ln00t8n9e@corp.supernews.com>   J I just heard from someone who kindly sent in a petition for me, but it was turned down because he is F an ASSOCIATE - not a MEMBER (alias full member, regular member, paying member, etc.).  K Although I appreciate the sentiment, please don't waste a stamp or a fax if  you're an associate.  2 "Dale E. Coy" <dalecoy@spinn.net> wrote in message) news:vi10oon4ubaoa9@corp.supernews.com... K > I want to run for election to the Encompass Board of Directors this year. D > I have been an active member of DECUS/Encompass for over 20 years. > D > If you are a concerned Encompass member, please send the following	 petition:  >  > ----------------- K > As a member in good standing of Encompass, I nominate Dale E. Coy, member 4 > 166993, for the 2004 Encompass Board of Directors. > ' >     Signed (and printed if necessary) 
 >     Date- >     Encompass member number or Company Name  > -----------------  > D > The petition must get to Encompass by August 8.  It must be either3 > postal-mailed or faxed to Encompass headquarters. 6 > E-mail is not allowed for this purpose by Encompass. >  >  > Encompass US Headquarters ' > 401 North Michigan Avenue, 22nd Floor  > Chicago, IL 60611  >  > fax.312-673-4609 > F > Thanks.  I've tried to be brief.  I apologize if you are bothered by > multiple copies J > of this request.  If you have questions, either ask here or e-mail to me at > dalecoy@spinn.net  >  >  Dale  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:01:20 -0400 . From: Mike Bartman <omni@foolie.omniphile.com> Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS 8 Message-ID: <nbrdivsoogahj5mp0d17h1nu4eu3vh3rlk@4ax.com>  2 On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:07:23 +0300, "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> wrote:   L >Product called "Digital Firewall for OpenVMS" has been dead for a while, soI >in these days the answer is no. (Anyway I didn't find any when I studied  >this same issue a while ago).  F MultiNet, from Process Software, does have filtering built in, as doesF TCPware, also from Process Software.  Lets you specify which ports areE open and to whom.  Both products are TCP/IP stacks with all the usual D clients and servers and other features...you can check things out at, the Process web site or call for more info:     www.process.com  8 Phone: (800) 722-7770 or (508) 879-6994  (Massachusetts) FAX: (508) 879-0042   E Disclaimer: yes, I DO work for Process Software, but I'm not any sort 5 of official spokesperson...just trying to be helpful.    -- Mike Bartman @ ----------------------------------------------------------------=   To reply via e-mail, remove the 'foolie.' from the address. %   I'm getting sick of all the SPAM... @ ----------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 14:42:26 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) P Subject: ISV enthusiasm for OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers grows with LogicaCMG= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307291342.174a953f@posting.google.com>   > "LogicaCMG Wireless Networks is excited about the migration toB Itanium," says Steven van Zanen, VP Marketing, Mobile Messaging atC LogicaCMG.  "We selected HP's OpenVMS as the most optimal operating B system for our Short Message Service Center (SMSC) platforms.  OurE SMSCs combine the best availability and performance in the world.  We D aim to continue to improve on this level of quality, while providing1 our customers with even greater value for money."   C LogicaCMG is a global solutions company providing management and IT A consultancy, systems integration, and outsourcing services.  With A additional expertise in wireless technology, the company supports = clients across diverse markets, including telecoms, financial E services, energy and utilities, industry, distribution and transport, E and the public sector.  Formed in December 2002 through the merger of B Logica and CMG, the company employs approximately 21,000 people inD offices across 34 countries and has nearly 40 years of experience inF the IT service arena.  Headquartered in Europe, LogicaCMG is listed on/ both the London and Amsterdam stock exchanges."   H Company info: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/telecom/logicacmg.html Products on OpenVMS:C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/telecom/logicacmg-products.html * Company website: http://www.logicacmg.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:43:05 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net  Subject: KFPSA Needed 5 Message-ID: <ZLCVa.1862$yv1.256@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>   B I'm looking for one or two inexpensive KFPSA adapters.  I have one! that died that I need to replace.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:02:42 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 4 Subject: Re: Moving cluster whilst maintaing quorum.( Message-ID: <bg6gci$bb4$1@pcls4.std.com>  , JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  M >If you power off the DSSI enclosure, I think it would be then fairly safe to  >disconnect it from a machine.  H I have "hot connected" DSSI many times without a problem.  BUT YMMV.  It is unsupported...   N >What happens to quorum if a quorum disk goes into mount verification ? Is areL >the votes held by the drive lost or maintained during mount verification ?   I The quorum disk I/Os bypass most of the file system.  You don't even need G the quorum disk to be mounted to be able to use it, but the system will 1 complain about the quorum disk not being mounted.   J The quorum I/Os are treated specially.  If they fail, they are not retriedK when/if mount verify completes, they truly fail then, and the clustering SW   removes the QD votes right then.  N >If they are lost, you would then have to make sure that the surviving node is" >fully able to survive on its own.  G That was mentioned in the original note.  Sounds like the setup is each G node has one vote and the QD has one vote.  EXPECTED_VOTES=3 and quorum J is 2 in this case.  The cluster will survive the loss of any single votingG component, but not two (not quite true, if one node and the QD are down H the other node will "hang" but the cluster will still exist if the votes return)    H For this type of move to make sense, either its data must be "read only"H during the move (serving web pages?), or shadowing over the network mustI be used to update the first system moved after it is moved and the second I system after it is moved.  And there are lots of single points of failure  during the move. --   -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:28:47 -0400 ) From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.nospam@istop.com> 4 Subject: Re: Moving cluster whilst maintaing quorum.) Message-ID: <3F26CADC.9A22EA2D@istop.com>    Michael Moroney wrote:I > node has one vote and the QD has one vote.  EXPECTED_VOTES=3 and quorum L > is 2 in this case.  The cluster will survive the loss of any single voting > component, but not two  L Unless you give the surviving node 2 votes before disconnecting and when youL shutdown the other node, you REMOVE NODE to force quorum to be recalculated.K Expected votes will still be 3 (2 for node, 1 for drives) so when you power , off the drives, the first node will survive.  L How often does VMS poll quorum drives to see if they are still alive ? WouldN it be possible to time the power-off/disconnect/power-on sequence such that itG falls between 2 such polls, so that VMS woudln't notice ? (sort of like N robbers waiting for the camera to pan the right way so that they can do switchS the real painting with a reproduction before the camera pans back to the painting.)        Other question:   K You you have node 1 , node 2 and DSSI disk array all connected together. If K you not only shutdown node 2, but also power it off completely, wouldn't it 8 then be safe to unplug the DSSI connector from node 2 ?   N In such a setup, would node 1 and node 2 each have a terminator with the disksN in the middle ? So when you disconnect node 2, you would have to make sure you4 apply a terminator to the disks as fast as possible.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:47:55 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 4 Subject: Re: Moving cluster whilst maintaing quorum.( Message-ID: <bg6mhr$627$1@pcls4.std.com>  + JF Mezei <jfmezei.nospam@istop.com> writes:    >Michael Moroney wrote: J >> node has one vote and the QD has one vote.  EXPECTED_VOTES=3 and quorumM >> is 2 in this case.  The cluster will survive the loss of any single voting  >> component, but not two   M >Unless you give the surviving node 2 votes before disconnecting and when you M >shutdown the other node, you REMOVE NODE to force quorum to be recalculated.   H Not necesary, as when one node is shut down, there will still be 2 votesE (drive and other node) which means the cluster is up since the quorum F is 2.  Using REMOVE_NODE is good but in this case doesn't really help I since the EXPECTED_VOTES would go from 3 to 2 and quorum will still be 2.   L >Expected votes will still be 3 (2 for node, 1 for drives) so when you power- >off the drives, the first node will survive.   C If I understand the original note correctly, the first node will be E powered on at the new site before the cabinet with the quorum disk is K powered off and moved, and it will have LAN connectivity to the old site.   I So then we have a cluster of 2 nodes+quorum disk, then 2 nodes+no quorum   disk.   G >How often does VMS poll quorum drives to see if they are still alive ?   C SYSGEN parameter QDSKINTERVAL, usually 4 or 10 seconds depending on  version.      >Other question:  L >You you have node 1 , node 2 and DSSI disk array all connected together. IfL >you not only shutdown node 2, but also power it off completely, wouldn't it9 >then be safe to unplug the DSSI connector from node 2 ?    F Again, it usually works but is not supported.  DSSI is not considered  hot-swappable.  O >In such a setup, would node 1 and node 2 each have a terminator with the disks O >in the middle ? So when you disconnect node 2, you would have to make sure you 5 >apply a terminator to the disks as fast as possible.    --   -Mike    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 13:38:24 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: RE: NT Clusters3 Message-ID: <guE5HG6X9ygA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKELGHKAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   . >>From: Main, Kerry [mailto:kerry.main@hp.com]  H >>Advanced Server for OpenVMS can certainly do load balancing across allA >>three nodes when serving Windows based file-n-print shares (not D >>applications). You can use TCPIP Services or TCPware / Multinet IP >>products for this. > H > That is not what I was wondering about.  In this case, this is a largeJ > Northeast Bank/Brokerage that has a lot of nt applications (trading, for
 > example)M > and they are planning to put in a geographically distributed NT cluster for  > redundancyN > and load balancing.  I was surprised at the high price for the NT cluster so1 > I was not so rhetorically wondering out load if J > there was any way to use a VMS cluster to distribute the (fait accompli)
 > NT apps.    Think of it as prix accompli :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:36:53 -0400 ) From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.nospam@istop.com>  Subject: Re: NT Clusters) Message-ID: <3F26BEB7.9A22462B@istop.com>    Tom Linden wrote: M > and they are planning to put in a geographically distributed NT cluster for  > redundancyN > and load balancing.  I was surprised at the high price for the NT cluster so  N I am surprised that NT can cluster with nodes more than a scsi cable away from each other.   3 What clustering interconnects does NT now support ?   E Or is this "clustering" simply "networking" with applications sending 8 transactions to a backup site over a simple TCPIP link ?  H Having more details on the level oc connections between nodes would help/ evaluate what type of "cluster" this really is.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:13:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: NT Clusters9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICELKHKAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- 1 >From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.nospam@istop.com] & >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:37 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: NT Clusters  >  >  >Tom Linden wrote:C >> and they are planning to put in a geographically distributed NT   >cluster for
 >> redundancy B >> and load balancing.  I was surprised at the high price for the  >NT cluster so > @ >I am surprised that NT can cluster with nodes more than a scsi  >cable away from >each other. > 4 >What clustering interconnects does NT now support ? > F >Or is this "clustering" simply "networking" with applications sending9 >transactions to a backup site over a simple TCPIP link ?   J I don't know too much about it, but I was told it was clustering over dark+ fiber, with the distance of less than 150km  > I >Having more details on the level oc connections between nodes would help 0 >evaluate what type of "cluster" this really is. >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:42:45 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OpenVms Backup ) Message-ID: <bg6bml$esd$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   b In article <I5nVa.43473$7O4.945732@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com> writes: > , ><david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message& >news:bflqt5$8g7$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk...K >> In article <OQtTa.36387$8g6.500700@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "Mark Buda" ! ><buda_NO@SPAM.yahoo.com> writes: ? >> >"Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> wrote in message " >> >news:3f1d91ae$1@news.si.com... >>K >> This is why I was so disappointed when Compaq dropped development of the K >> software which would have allowed you to take a consistent snapshot of a  >disk ! >> which could then be backed up. H >> They produced the product for NT. They have something very similar in >Tru64I >> with the ADvFS cloning facility but they decided to cancel it for VMS.  >> >  >Dave: > L >Have you looked at the EVA?  It has a snapshot capability that we are using >for our enterprise backups. >   % Hardware solutions ==> lots of money.   K The software snapshot solution  would have been usable on existing systems.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >Mike  >  > 
 >> David Webb  >> VMS and Unix team leader  >> CCSS  >> Middlesex University  >> >> >> >> >mark >> > >> > >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 04:29:08 +0100 (BST) = From: =?iso-8859-1?q?amit=20sawhney?= <thick_guy_9@yahoo.com> 4 Subject: OT:problems with JCC oracleRDB mailing list@ Message-ID: <20030730032908.92003.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>  
 gentlemen,6 I am having a problem subscribing to OracleRDB list on( JCC server. Does anyone know what to do?  , --------------------------------------------5 The following error(s) occurred during local delivery  of your message.   Error in MXserver request:/     found an invalid line, rest of this message  ignored: =====  0 ------------------------------ Rejected message   -----------------------------+ Received: from kong.jcc.com (172.16.2.3) by  mercury.jcc.com (MX V5.3   An4s) with ESMTP for5 <oraclerdb-request@mercur.jcc.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2003   23:13:28 -04004 Received: by KONG.JCC.COM with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id  + <P52YWPSM>; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:13:28 -0400 , Received: from Arachnid.JCC.COM (ns2.jcc.com [192.84.218.31]) by 3 kong.jcc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet  Mail Service Version  3 5.5.2653.13) id P52YWPSL; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:13:25  -0400 5 Received: from web41114.mail.yahoo.com (66.218.93.30)  by  ( Arachnid.JCC.COM (Worldmail 1.3.167) for, oraclerdb-request@kong.jcc.com; 29 Jul 2003  23:12:42 -0400  Received: from [147.60.1.194] by' web41114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed,   30 Jul 2003 04:13:23 BST Message-ID: 4 <20030730031323.95294.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>+ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 04:13:23 +0100 (BST) % From: =?iso-8859-1?q?amit=20sawhney?=  <thick_guy_9@yahoo.com>  To: oraclerdb-request@jcc.com  MIME-Version: 1.0 , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   ) subscribe oraclerdb thick_guy_9@yahoo.com 1 -------------------------------------------------    ===== 	 Sincerely  Amit S  H ________________________________________________________________________E Want to chat instantly with your online friends?  Get the FREE Yahoo! ( Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 03 22:30:13 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) + Subject: Re: Packed decimal arithmetic in C ) Message-ID: <2vBLjiBfqlkr@elias.decus.ch>   J In article <bg3ps5$icr$3@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:h > In article <bg3apm$kgvsn$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes: >>J >>"Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ >>news:jIkNbQoNB2Q0@eisner.encompasserve.org... L >>> In article <bfs9e5$ieqqm$1@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" >><john@travell.uk.net> writes:  >>> > N >>> > For the benefit of us Brit's, to whom a penny is part of our currency, aL >>> > coin valued at precisely 100th part of one pound sterling, can someone: >>> > explain EXACTLY what America refers to as a 'penny'. >>> I >>>    US penny is 1/100 of a US dollar.  For the last several decades it G >>>    looks to be made out of copper, but hasn't been solid copper for  >>>    quite a while.  >>>  >>% >>Clearly the problem is terminology. N >>I now understand that 'penny' is the unofficial slang or common (?) use name: >>for the unit of currency 'officially' known as the Cent. >>J >>It looks like at least some yanks cannot completely shake off their brit >>heritage :-) >>7 > Except us brits only went decimal in the early 1970s. L > There were 240 old pennies to the pound. 12 pennies to the shilling and 20 > shillings to the pound.  > F Which is where it is more likely to be an Anglicisation of  the German
 "pfennig".   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 03 22:47:19 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) + Subject: Re: Packed decimal arithmetic in C ) Message-ID: <NCdjHADU3Yik@elias.decus.ch>   d In article <bg6c0q$jrogm$2@ID-120847.news.uni-berlin.de>, "John Travell" <john@jomatech.com> writes: >  >>" > Decimal ? Wozzat ? :-) er, um...C > Most of us have lost the 'new' off the 'new-pence' that came with K > decimalisation, and in truth most people under 40 have probably forgotten 2 > there ever was more than 100 pence in a pound. !# > Plural - Pence, Singular - Penny.  >   J Me in the local Post Office, just after UK decimalisation, trying to buy a% few stamps from a rather oldish lady.   ! "I want a one penny stamp please" 2 "Oh, do you you mean a one new pence stamp?" (grr)$ "And 2 tuppence ha'penny stamps too"  = Some time taken here, with a look of blind incrompehension...   > "Oh, do you mean two two and and a half new pence stamps too?"   (Yup. I'm over 40...)    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2003 19:35:50 GMT( From: stanb45@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr)$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates= Message-ID: <slrnbidfhr.vf3.stanb45@citadel.metropolis.local>   F On 29 Jul 2003 12:23:09 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:9 >In article <uobcivohfi28330ba56lge5k1cfvliftor@4ax.com>, 8 >	Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> writes: >>  ? >> IIRC RAM was not commonly used until after the IBM PC became B >> popular in the early 1980s; and it was only used to refer to PCA >> memory, usually with the D prefix. The S prefix became popular 3 >> when external caches were added to the 386/486.   > @ >I could always go up to the attic tonite and grab a copy or two@ >of my old computing magazines (which pre-date the IBM PC) to be@ >sure, but I seem to remember the terms RAM, DRAM and Static RAM1 >being common before IBM got into the Micro game.   A You're quite right.  A magazine I have in front of me - "Personal A Computer World", UK, dated 1978 refers to RAM, Static and Dynamic A RAM in several places.  The abbreviation RAM is not explained for > the benefit of readers, showing it was generally understood by< all - and I can remember it being in current use long before then.    --   Cheers, 3 Stan Barr     stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com 7 (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.)    The future was never like this!    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 13:07:56 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> $ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates0 Message-ID: <qhadaxdrkz.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  0 Glenn Everhart <Everhart-nospam@gce.com> writes:F > People who wanted to use BASIC in those days often found ways to getH > to a pdp10 terminal. That's one reason Bill Gates transliterated pdp10C > BASIC (listings were readily available from DEC back then) as the 
 > story goes.   I Seems unlikely, as the details of the commands and functions of Microsoft	C BASIC were substantially different than BASIC-10.  Is the source tooK BASIC-10 online somewhere?  I've got source to a version of Microsoft BASIC, and could compare it.e   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 13:09:13 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>i$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates0 Message-ID: <qh3cgpdriu.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  ' John Hudak <jhudak@sei.cmu.edu> writes:VE > Beg to differ.....If you were a hardware engineer in the early 70'shE > developing systems with Intel's 4004's, the memory data sheets were G > entitled '...RAM' These devices were fabricated using MOS technology.w   True.n  E > The terms 'static' and 'dynamic' RAM came into popular usage aroundt3 > the time the apple IIc came out...(1977 I think).   G No, much earlier than that.  Static and dynamic RAMs were among Intel'siD earliest products, and they were identified as such from the outset.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:43:18 -0400r0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com> Subject: Re: Problems with NFS$ Message-ID: <3f26dc69$1@news.si.com>  F >Isn't DNFS0 the template, try DNFS1:, or as this error states, DNFS7:B >(Note: could be a bad steer, I've not tried mounting DNFS0 before >perhaps it does work)  L Indeed, it does anf the NFS system simply gives you the next pseudodevice in4 line.  Here's the command I use at each system boot:  D $ tcpip mount dnfs0: "" ampremote_disk /system /host="herk.si.com" -:         /path="/export/herk_00/projects/GTTA_MCS-and-AMP/" --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot come5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.AD 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:13:29 -0700d% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>-7 Subject: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)-( Message-ID: <3F26B949.4070808@rdrop.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  C > In article <20030729170303.18245.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cyphere- > <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:s > 8 >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> wrote: >> >B >>> harking back a few months, one of the topics of discussion wasE >>> the idea of running a "Teergrube" (tarpit in English) on VMS, thet1 >>> idea being to slow down spammers drastically.e >>> & >>> Has anyone done anything on this ? >> AD >> Unless someone's been working on it under wraps I think you're on >> your own. > A > It would be _easy_ to find field test sites, but much harder to D > justify creating such software.  The desire for such software doesA > not exist at the level where decisions to spend money are made.e  4 What about greylisting? I can see that being useful.  C Greylisting works like this: The first time the mail server gets a oI connection from an IP address, for a given user, it logs the address and 7I replies "system not available". Most spam software will give up and move aI on- but a *real* SMTP server will try again in a few minutes. The second xI time, assuming it happens within a successful connection is made, the IP  I address is marked being a valid mailserver and the email is accepted. If  H the second try doesn't occur within a reasonable period, the IP address  is dropped from the database.t  E My ISP recently installed a greylist setup, and spam on that account M  dropped roughly 95% immediately.  < See http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ for more info   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:18:02 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t; Subject: RE: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)o9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICELIHKAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message-----D- >From: Dean Woodward [mailto:deanw@rdrop.com] & >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:13 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 >Subject: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?) >i >I >Larry Kilgallen wrote:/ > D >> In article <20030729170303.18245.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher. >> <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: >> -9 >>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> wrote:c >>> C >>>> harking back a few months, one of the topics of discussion was0F >>>> the idea of running a "Teergrube" (tarpit in English) on VMS, the2 >>>> idea being to slow down spammers drastically. >>>>  ' >>>> Has anyone done anything on this ?  >>> E >>> Unless someone's been working on it under wraps I think you're on 
 >>> your own.s >> 7B >> It would be _easy_ to find field test sites, but much harder toE >> justify creating such software.  The desire for such software does B >> not exist at the level where decisions to spend money are made. >W5 >What about greylisting? I can see that being useful.e > D >Greylisting works like this: The first time the mail server gets a J >connection from an IP address, for a given user, it logs the address and J >replies "system not available". Most spam software will give up and move J >on- but a *real* SMTP server will try again in a few minutes. The second J >time, assuming it happens within a successful connection is made, the IP J >address is marked being a valid mailserver and the email is accepted. If I >the second try doesn't occur within a reasonable period, the IP address . >is dropped from the database.  K If I were a spammer and new about greylisting, I wouldn't give up after the1* first try, might even try pinging first.     >oF >My ISP recently installed a greylist setup, and spam on that account ! >dropped roughly 95% immediately.= >== >See http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ for more infoc >Q >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.-; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003  >j ---R& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 13:40:31 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e; Subject: Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?) 3 Message-ID: <fFBc96Bh8ZCY@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  P In article <3F26B949.4070808@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:  E > Greylisting works like this: The first time the mail server gets a tK > connection from an IP address, for a given user, it logs the address and -K > replies "system not available". Most spam software will give up and move Z > on  ! You should expect that to change.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:42:43 -0400s) From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.nospam@istop.com>a; Subject: Re: SMTP greylisting (was Re: Teergrube for VMS ?)o) Message-ID: <3F26C015.243C953A@istop.com>e   Dean Woodward wrote:  D > Greylisting works like this: The first time the mail server gets aJ > connection from an IP address, for a given user, it logs the address andJ > replies "system not available". Most spam software will give up and move? > on- but a *real* SMTP server will try again in a few minutes.D    M A "few minutes" may translate into "disaster for a last minute urgent email".aF Don't most SMTP servers wait at least 15 minutes before trying again ?  K If you have regular communicatiosn from the SMTP server of a large ISP, and M then one of their customers decides to spam you through that SMTP server, you 5 won't stop it because it has become a "known" server.7   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 19:12:26 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 8 Subject: Sun tries to woo AlphaServer users away from HP= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307291812.3327f013@posting.google.com>t  D In a campaign called 'HP Away', Sun is trying to take customers fromD HP, but based on the customers quoted in these articles, they aren't having much luck.m  ) eWeek, July 19, "Sun Takes Aim at Alpha": 3 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1198244,00.asp   C 'Alpha user Hall Kuff said that, for the majority of users, it will E make more sense to move to the Itanium with HP rather than migrate to D Sun or IBM. "There are some who will buy a new Alpha [server] today,B and new Alphas over the next 24 months, even though they know it'sD ending, because they need the power, they need it cost-effective andC they need it now," said Kuff, manager of systems and networking for B Tessco Technologies Inc., in Hunt Valley, Md. Some Alpha users' ITD infrastructures are geared strictly for Alpha technology, Kuff said.E Most are like Tessco, which along with the Alpha systems has investedtE $1.5 million in an HP storage area network. Moving from HP to anotheroB vendor would make little sense given that type of investment, Kuff said.'  9 Computerworld, July 21, "Rivals of HP court Tru64 users":,X http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/story/0,10801,83239,00.html?SKC=home83239  C 'Dan Marmion, CIO at hardware maker New Era Cap Co. in Derby, N.Y.,eF runs Alpha and Tru64 and said he looked at converting to Sun two yearsC ago. Although the hardware was less expensive, the conversion costsgD were high. Marmion said he would be willing to hear Sun's new pitch,E although so far he's comfortable with HP's migration strategy to moved= Tru64 users to HP-UX, even though he may lose some features.'i  > 'Jim Becker, a board member of the Chicago-based HP user groupF Encompass and lead systems engineer at Washington think tank the UrbanF Institute and an Alpha and OpenVMS user, said he sees no reason yet to get off that platform.B "Do I think this is a great time to jump to the other platforms? IF wouldn't say so yet," he said. "I don't foresee Itanium as an also-ran platform."'s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:29:43 -0400r) From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.nospam@istop.com>r< Subject: Re: Sun tries to woo AlphaServer users away from HP) Message-ID: <3F272D5E.204D5FA0@istop.com>w   Keith Parris wrote:o > F > In a campaign called 'HP Away', Sun is trying to take customers fromF > HP, but based on the customers quoted in these articles, they aren't > having much luck.r  8 Why is HP not trying to move customers from Sun to VMS ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 04:31:35 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>e< Subject: Re: Sun tries to woo AlphaServer users away from HP; Message-ID: <HSHVa.44998$7O4.1021222@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>a  < Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0307291812.3327f013@posting.google.com... F > In a campaign called 'HP Away', Sun is trying to take customers fromF > HP, but based on the customers quoted in these articles, they aren't > having much luck.u >0  K Why migrate?   I have an old E-mail from one of our engineers boasting thatmK he was the first from our company to boot VMS on an IA64 on May 22 in Nashu  NH.u  ! Our APP runs on both IBM and VMS.   K Looks like we will be running for several years on our current alphaserverst anyways.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:30:02 +0000 (UTC)t7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)   Subject: Re: Teergrube for VMS ?( Message-ID: <bg6efa$6ut$1@pcls4.std.com>  ! Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:m  # >Has anyone done anything on this ?h  F Yes.  I have a tarpit/hacker taunter, that essentially answers any TCPH requests and tries to tie up the other end.  I got the idea from (and it. is similar to) a Linux teergrube named LaBrea.  B Right now, it is specific to my configuration.  I have a DSL line I connected to a NAT router.  The NAT router sends some TCP ports to a PC, dG some (such as HTTP port 80) to my VMS system and the default goes to a  H second ethernet card running my teergrube.  It has its own TCP/IP stack B and doesn't need or use any "real" TCP/IP stack such as UCX/TCPIP.  J It is sometimes quite effective.  I have had "connections" to it last for F over a week, and even have had "connections" survive reboots on my endI (my code is stateless, the remote system time out and retransmit a packet1 which my tarpit answers)  7 It still needs improvement, but does work to a point...y -- u -Mikec   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:49:58 -0400l0 From: "Brian Tillman" <Tillman@sparkingwire.com>) Subject: Re: the newest file in directorya$ Message-ID: <3f26ddf9$1@news.si.com>  
 >Try doing >$ dir *.*;0 >.J >I don't know WHY it works, but ;0 refers to the highest version number of >each file present.a  J Um, not what the OP asked for.  He didn't want the most recent versions ofI all files in the directory, he wanted the one, single newest file (but he L did say whether that's based on the creation date or the modification date).  G As to why it works, the answer is "because it was designed to work thats way."r -- eI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot come5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. D 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991e8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 13:00:01 -07005 From: michael.oconnor@bhpsteel.com (Michael O'Connor),G Subject: Re: Threaded application crashes on a VAX, but not on an Alphas= Message-ID: <bda6ac5d.0307291200.4fa199f5@posting.google.com>-  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<xXUyDEy$Rhoy@eisner.encompasserve.org>...w > In article <bda6ac5d.0307281452.42dbe801@posting.google.com>, michael.oconnor@bhpsteel.com (Michael O'Connor) writes: H > > I am developing an application in C, in which a thread is created toI > > handle a socket connection to a remote computer. The thread calls the H > > function "gethostbyname", which causes the application to crash on aG > > VAX 4000-50 (OpenVMS V7.3 with TCPIP V5.1, and C V6.4-005) with thes > > following error message: > > ? > > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtualt/ > > address=005F977C, PC=00629EF3, PSL=03C00000s > > G > > The same application runs OK on an Alpha with OpenVMS V7.3-1, TCPIPrI > > V5.3 - ECO 2, and C V6.5-001. Below is an extract from the code. Note I > > that calling "gethostbyname" from the main thread on the VAX does not > > > cause a crash. Can anyone shed some light on this problem? > F > If the debugger makes the problem go away, I would suggest using the > process dump capability.    E The application also crashes when run in the debugger on the VAX. Them
 messages are:   C %DEBUG-E-LASTCHANCE, stack exception handlers lost, re-initializings stacky; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtualh+ address=005F9778, PC=006D96F3, PSL=03C00000oB %DEBUG-W-BADSTACK, WARNING: stack corrupted; session integrity not
 guaranteed   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 16:05:22 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) G Subject: Re: Threaded application crashes on a VAX, but not on an Alphan3 Message-ID: <xx2JZRMsSFlD@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  u In article <bda6ac5d.0307291200.4fa199f5@posting.google.com>, michael.oconnor@bhpsteel.com (Michael O'Connor) writes:   C > The application also crashes when run in the debugger on the VAX.-  
 That is good.,   > The messages are:M > E > %DEBUG-E-LASTCHANCE, stack exception handlers lost, re-initializing1 > stack5= > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtuali- > address=005F9778, PC=006D96F3, PSL=03C00000ID > %DEBUG-W-BADSTACK, WARNING: stack corrupted; session integrity not > guaranteed  $ So did you try SET BREAK/EXCEPTION ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:38:17 GMTy< From: "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp>G Subject: Re: Threaded application crashes on a VAX, but not on an Alphao1 Message-ID: <dPBVa.1079$YH2.485@news.cpqcorp.net>    Michael O'Connor wrote:i   > G > The application also crashes when run in the debugger on the VAX. They > messages are:p > E > %DEBUG-E-LASTCHANCE, stack exception handlers lost, re-initializingq > stackk= > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtuald- > address=005F9778, PC=006D96F3, PSL=03C00000oD > %DEBUG-W-BADSTACK, WARNING: stack corrupted; session integrity not > guaranteed  I Threads assume a small stack per thread.  See the pthreads documentation p& on how you can request a larger stack.  G Alternatively, make sure that you are not putting larger arrays on the t stack than the thread can hold.m  @ Alpha and VAX get different default sizes.  You can look at the F reference copy of the the pthread header file to see the minimum size  that you are garanteed.    -Johny! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hpt Personal Opinion Onlyr   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 20:22:36 -07005 From: michael.oconnor@bhpsteel.com (Michael O'Connor)iG Subject: Re: Threaded application crashes on a VAX, but not on an Alphap< Message-ID: <bda6ac5d.0307291922.a4a4dd1@posting.google.com>  u "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> wrote in message news:<dPBVa.1079$YH2.485@news.cpqcorp.net>...m > Michael O'Connor wrote:m >  > > I > > The application also crashes when run in the debugger on the VAX. Ther > > messages are:u > > G > > %DEBUG-E-LASTCHANCE, stack exception handlers lost, re-initializing 	 > > stackA? > > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual / > > address=005F9778, PC=006D96F3, PSL=03C00000 F > > %DEBUG-W-BADSTACK, WARNING: stack corrupted; session integrity not > > guaranteed > K > Threads assume a small stack per thread.  See the pthreads documentation i( > on how you can request a larger stack. > I > Alternatively, make sure that you are not putting larger arrays on the i! > stack than the thread can hold.i > B > Alpha and VAX get different default sizes.  You can look at the H > reference copy of the the pthread header file to see the minimum size  > that you are garanteed.V >  > -Johnc# > malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hpd > Personal Opinion Only   E You are right: the default stack size is too small on the the VAX, ateC 10460 bytes. The stack size on the Alpha is 16200 bytes. I used theyF function pthread_attr_setstacksize to increase the thread's stack size* to 16200, and the problem has disappeared.   Thanks for the help.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 14:06:23 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)hH Subject: Re: VMS clusters anyone? An advertising & marketing opportunity= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307291306.3d56fbd5@posting.google.com>2  n "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<ApxVa.137$hOa.29@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...; > It's July 29, time to read this week's Between The Lines.n> > Business innovation powered by technology, brought to you by > InformationWeek magazine.n > = > ** IT Confidential: Paranoid Or Prepared: You Make The Call   / Excellent.  Thanks for pointing this out, John.s  T The URL is http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=12803224   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:15:53 GMTR# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>oH Subject: Re: VMS clusters anyone? An advertising & marketing opportunityE Message-ID: <tmCVa.2367$rsJ.327@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>a  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0307291306.3d56fbd5@posting.google.com...e0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message? news:<ApxVa.137$hOa.29@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...o= > > It's July 29, time to read this week's Between The Lines.o@ > > Business innovation powered by technology, brought to you by > > InformationWeek magazine.d > >a? > > ** IT Confidential: Paranoid Or Prepared: You Make The Calls > 1 > Excellent.  Thanks for pointing this out, John.  >l > The URL isF http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=12803 224p     Keith,  D What I don't get is why HP wouldn't have known this all along. I seeC this kind of ostrich mentality by customers and potential customersn@ everyday.....no decent DR plan, no off-site recovery plan, theirC backup consists of another server farm in the same room!!!! Sheesh.a  F One small prospective customer trades about $20e9 (to keep our BritishC friends talking the same numbers) daily. Zero DR backup plan. Nada.w  Zilch. A Sun customer naturally.  E Okay, VMS lost the desktop long ago, but there's no f!cking reason onlF the face of this planet that it shouldn't DOMINATE the data center and especially the DR market.   B n-tier and web services make VMS a natural for the db and businessE services tiers, for the heavy compute jobs, for the data mining jobs.o  E I did some consulting for a bank credit card group about 5 years ago, @ designing their data warehouse. They put it on Sun. A good sizedE system (sun's leading edge at the time) loaded with memory and an EMCiE array. Did okay on performance. Shortly thereafter I was called in at F another bank to tune their similar credit card data warehouse on Alpha@ (Tru64). It was what I would have considered at the time to be aF roughly comparable system to the Sun box at the other bank. On similarF queries and aggregation, the Alpha kicked Sun's butt - and I know thatE VMS wouldn't have been far behind Tru64 on the result times. Data setn sizes were similar, about 1Tb.  E So aside from now having an article from Information Week about how a E third of companies are no further prepared for disaster today than ons@ 9-11, what's HP going to do about it as far as VMS is concerned?  F You want me to send a copy of this message to carly(tm) or will you do it?    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2003 17:54:41 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)pH Subject: Re: VMS clusters anyone? An advertising & marketing opportunity= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0307291654.2005e276@posting.google.com>   p "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<tmCVa.2367$rsJ.327@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...H > You want me to send a copy of this message to carly(tm) or will you do > it?l  D Coming from you, a Customer and Influencer, it would have infinitelyE more impact than coming from me, a lowly employee she has never heard< of.e  D Feel free to send along a pointer to the other excellent article you; pointed out recently, on "Disaster Recovery Versus DisasternC Prevention", and let her know that HP, in its OpenVMS Clusters, hasnE the best Disaster Tolerance solution in the world, and ask her why HP A hasn't told the whole world about how businesses like CommerzbankaE survived the 9/11 attack thanks to having an HP OpenVMS DT cluster in  place.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:40:01 -0700i# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>pH Subject: RE: VMS clusters anyone? An advertising & marketing opportunity9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEMEHKAA.tom@kednos.com>c  D And while your at it emphasize the importance of good Cobol and PL/IH support as the recent thread on packed decimal pointed out.  Since theseG big data centers typically will have financial applications which can'tc be done in C or C++l   >-----Original Message----- 9 >From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com],% >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:55 PMC >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComI >Subject: Re: VMS clusters anyone? An advertising & marketing opportunityp >a > 0 >"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message B >news:<tmCVa.2367$rsJ.327@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...I >> You want me to send a copy of this message to carly(tm) or will you doa >> it? >bE >Coming from you, a Customer and Influencer, it would have infinitelynF >more impact than coming from me, a lowly employee she has never heard >of. >sE >Feel free to send along a pointer to the other excellent article you < >pointed out recently, on "Disaster Recovery Versus DisasterD >Prevention", and let her know that HP, in its OpenVMS Clusters, hasF >the best Disaster Tolerance solution in the world, and ask her why HPB >hasn't told the whole world about how businesses like CommerzbankF >survived the 9/11 attack thanks to having an HP OpenVMS DT cluster in >place.f >o >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).dA >Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003c >. ---s& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.417 ************************