1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 01 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 302       Contents:& Re: Burning CDs in ISO/Files-11 formatP RE: ERRLOG.SYS (was Re: Your Own Installation Tool? (was: Install Directory)) Di Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64, Re: Mystery Alpha CPUS, what do they fit in?, Re: Mystery Alpha CPUS, what do they fit in? Re: Need OpenVMS (any version) Re: Need OpenVMS (any version) Re: Portents of VMS death  read "generic PC CD" on VMS?  Re: read "generic PC CD" on VMS?  Re: read "generic PC CD" on VMS?( Re: Samba + Multinet: The Saga continues  Re: StorageTek l700 on VMS 7.3-1  Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner?  Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner?  Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner?  Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner?  Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:35:55 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> / Subject: Re: Burning CDs in ISO/Files-11 format ' Message-ID: <3EDA1D5B.243A395A@fsi.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > T > In article <3ED930F1.5030304@iee.org>, Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> writes: > = > :As for internal DEC tools that did this - if they exsited, : > :noone was willing to admit to it when I asked. I didn't> > :see much possibility for unreliability with ODSISO (barring8 > :program bugs, of course) since you basically build an; > :ODS-2 disk, then find where all the files live in blocks 8 > :and build a set of ISO9660 structures that map to the > :required files. > E >   I'm presently expecting to be working in this area Real Soon Now, C >   for reasons not particularly germane to the current discussion.  > E >   No commitments nor announcements nor technical details here, etc.  >   (Sorry.)  C Perhaps it may happen to appear unannounced in the freeware area at  hp.com?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:01:19 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: RE: ERRLOG.SYS (was Re: Your Own Installation Tool? (was: Install Directory)) Di ' Message-ID: <3EDA234F.2C4EBA0F@fsi.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > E >   Details of the ERRLOG.SYS area would be of interest -- there have H >   been changes made as OpenVMS has been upgraded, and as new tools are >   made available.   E Well, strictly from a customer perspective, we'd like to see DECevent H and that garbage they call CA* integrated back into ANALYZE/ERROR. It isH extremely frustatrating, both to us techies and our management, that outD of the box, OpenVMS can no longer analyze its own error logs without@ add-ons and the inevitable delays and bureaucratic anarchy whichH surround those add-ons, their acquisition, installation and utilization.  C *: We are currently seeing cases where CA blows up with Java errors H trying anaylze extremely large collections of error data. DESTA DirectorG frequently (more than once a week) becomes the top CPU user and must be D manually killed to restore the production systems to a usable state.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:51:45 +0200 & From: Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si>% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 . Message-ID: <igiCa.530$78.13668@news.siol.net>   Carl Perkins wrote: B > "John E. Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> writes... > }DL Phillips wrote:  > }>>Hoff Hoffman wrote: > }>> L > }>>>  The maintenance of a firewall is a large and specialized engineeringL > }>>>  project, and purpose-built dedicated (and commodity) firewall serverJ > }>>>  appliance boxes provide a highly economical and effective solution > }>  P > }> I believe Mr. Hoffmans's post said "appliance" firewalls. I take that to beR > }> something like the WatchGuard brand boxes (not a reseller, just a user) whichT > }> you can buy on the low end for under US$400.00 for up to 10 client computers. IR > }> read his post to say that he did NOT recommend a software solution running onN > }> any general purpose system. Also, that such an effort would not likely be > }> profitable. > } K > }The low-end firewall appliances sell in the U.S. for $30.00 and up, and  K > }typically have 4 10/100 taps, and the ability to do network translation  " > }for up to 254 client computers. > } H > }I may be wrong about this next statement because it has been a while B > }since I looked at prices for other than the home router market: > } G > }There appears to be heavy competition in the firewall/router market  H > }right now, and it does not appear that any general purpose operating I > }system would be an economical replacement for a dedicated router that   > }can handle the same load. > } L > }Think of a firewall also as a circuit breaker.  Any system can fall down I > }to a denial of service attack.  Having a firewall handle the noise of  > > }the network is much better than having your computer do so. > }  > }-John$ > }malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp > }Personal Opinion Only > ; > For home or small office use, such a thing might be good.  > % > For larger networks it is useless.   > E > Consider a network with over 25,000 devices on it that is connected D > to the outside world via a pair of OC-3 (155Mb/sec) lines. I thinkH > you'd find the firewall you describe to be, shall we say, inadequate.  > & > This is not unlike the TAMU network. > F > Something is used for the higher end. At this point it is apparentlyC > Unix systems that are used for this. I'm pretty sure that this is E > what TAMU is using - a Unix system that is running, I think, custom  > software written here. > 
 > --- Carl   www.netscreen.com    --  A   Bob Marcan                             mailto:bob.marcan@snt.si A   Aster^H^H...HermesPlus^H^H^H...S&T   mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si A   Nade Ovcakove 1                       tel:    +386 (1) 5894-329 A   1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                      http://www.snt.si    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2003 05:56:39 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0306010456.308bed7e@posting.google.com>   ^ david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote in message news:<bb2csc$66u$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>... > M > Sun seems to do quite well in this market with a "general purpose operating N > system".  They have their own Sunscreen firewall package running on Solaris N > not to mention all the checkpoint firewall-1 systems running on Sun Solaris  > boxes. > J > And of course there are tons and tons of Linux boxes acting as firewalls > running ipchains or iptables.  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  > and of course on unix/linux you need to buy security, and even> after trying to buy it, the security model is so weak that you; still get hacked, unlike vms which can run securely without  extra addons ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:40:07 -0600 - From: "Brian Zurbach" <briansz@sitemouse.com> 5 Subject: Re: Mystery Alpha CPUS, what do they fit in? : Message-ID: <pan.2003.06.01.10.39.53.854293@sitemouse.com>  5 On Thu, 29 May 2003 19:41:48 +0100, Matt Simis wrote:   0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:nPqBa.85626$cK1.42100@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >>8 >> "Matt Simis" <mattsimis@hotmail.com> wrote in message2 >> news:bb59uk$5o3fi$1@ID-131939.news.dfncis.de... >> >G >> > "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message 1 >> > news:H=jVPqnLNvIB5G4bhmS=V0YG3d+o@4ax.com... 7 >> > > On Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:48 +0100, "Matt Simis" % >> > > <mattsimis@hotmail.com> wrote:  >> > >D >> > > >I have seen these on eBay (even bought one :(  and around on
 >> various >> > > >websites: 2 >> > > >http://www.dyna-comp.com/html/cpd/cpu.html >> > > >G >> > > >What the hell are are these (21264 ones) for? I just cant get a  >> straight I >> > > >answer on why there seems to be an abundance of socket based cpus 
 >> with no >> > > >motherboards?  >> > > >' >> > > >Have look at the page for pics. ! >> > > >Does any one have a clue?  >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >Matt >> > > > >> > >8 >> > > I used http://www.google.com/ to search for 212643 >> > > and found a link that answers your question:  >> > >5 >> > > http://www.microprocessor.sscc.ru/alpha-21264/  >> > >3 >> > > The 21264B is an Alpha EV68 and the 21264 is  >> > > an Alpha EV6. >> > > >> > > David R. Beatty >> > > >> > >> >/ >> > Thats somewhat helpful, but doesnt answer:  >> >I >> > What motherboard, what systems came with said CPUs and why are there 
 >> so many- >> > CPUs floating that have no motherboards?  >> >H >> > That page shows all the 21264 Cpus as being "PGA" packages, yet all >> the? >> > 21264 CPUs Im aware of are surface mounted to the PCB on a  >> Daughterboard. ? >> > Perhaps Im misunderstanding the use of "PGA" here however.  >> >>B >> Not familiar with the Samsung parts, but perhaps Samsung made aA >> different packaging decision for the CPU's and boards they/API  >> produced. >> >> > M > Now that you mention it, perhaps thats it, they are all CPUs for one of the M > Samsung boards. I did a search and found only one board that would *appear* ; > to take PGA cpus, http://www.mikerohard.de/up1100spec.pdf  > L > From the pic I cant tell if its mounted to the motherboard or in a socket. > Anyone know anything further?  >  >  > Matt        J 21164 ZIFs are used in loads of Evaluation Boards made by DEC and Samsung.<  I have two 600MHz PC164LX EV56 systems that use ZIF CPUs.    G Microway produces a system that uses 21264 ZIF CPUs, it is based on the 
 UP2000 board:   & http://www.microway.com/mwnsup2000.htm  V 21164 mobos are becoming common on eBay for $100-150.  Not so for the EV6 stuff, still
 hard to find.   9 Wish I could plug those ZIFs into my DS20e, lots cheaper!    Regards,  
 Brian Zurbach  briansz@sitemouse.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:47:19 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 5 Subject: Re: Mystery Alpha CPUS, what do they fit in? ' Message-ID: <3EDA2007.840757CB@fsi.net>    Brian Zurbach wrote: > 7 > On Thu, 29 May 2003 19:41:48 +0100, Matt Simis wrote:  > 2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > > news:nPqBa.85626$cK1.42100@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > >>: > >> "Matt Simis" <mattsimis@hotmail.com> wrote in message4 > >> news:bb59uk$5o3fi$1@ID-131939.news.dfncis.de... > >> >I > >> > "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote in message 3 > >> > news:H=jVPqnLNvIB5G4bhmS=V0YG3d+o@4ax.com... 9 > >> > > On Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:48 +0100, "Matt Simis" ' > >> > > <mattsimis@hotmail.com> wrote:  > >> > >F > >> > > >I have seen these on eBay (even bought one :(  and around on > >> various > >> > > >websites: 4 > >> > > >http://www.dyna-comp.com/html/cpd/cpu.html
 > >> > > >I > >> > > >What the hell are are these (21264 ones) for? I just cant get a 
 > >> straight K > >> > > >answer on why there seems to be an abundance of socket based cpus  > >> with no > >> > > >motherboards? 
 > >> > > >) > >> > > >Have look at the page for pics. # > >> > > >Does any one have a clue? 
 > >> > > >
 > >> > > > > >> > > >Matt
 > >> > > > > >> > >: > >> > > I used http://www.google.com/ to search for 212645 > >> > > and found a link that answers your question:  > >> > >7 > >> > > http://www.microprocessor.sscc.ru/alpha-21264/  > >> > >5 > >> > > The 21264B is an Alpha EV68 and the 21264 is  > >> > > an Alpha EV6. > >> > > > >> > > David R. Beatty > >> > > > >> > > >> >1 > >> > Thats somewhat helpful, but doesnt answer:  > >> >K > >> > What motherboard, what systems came with said CPUs and why are there  > >> so many/ > >> > CPUs floating that have no motherboards?  > >> >J > >> > That page shows all the 21264 Cpus as being "PGA" packages, yet all > >> theA > >> > 21264 CPUs Im aware of are surface mounted to the PCB on a  > >> Daughterboard. A > >> > Perhaps Im misunderstanding the use of "PGA" here however.  > >> > >>D > >> Not familiar with the Samsung parts, but perhaps Samsung made aC > >> different packaging decision for the CPU's and boards they/API  > >> produced. > >> > >> > > O > > Now that you mention it, perhaps thats it, they are all CPUs for one of the O > > Samsung boards. I did a search and found only one board that would *appear* = > > to take PGA cpus, http://www.mikerohard.de/up1100spec.pdf  > > N > > From the pic I cant tell if its mounted to the motherboard or in a socket.! > > Anyone know anything further?  > >  > >  > > Matt > L > 21164 ZIFs are used in loads of Evaluation Boards made by DEC and Samsung.< >  I have two 600MHz PC164LX EV56 systems that use ZIF CPUs. > I > Microway produces a system that uses 21264 ZIF CPUs, it is based on the  > UP2000 board:  > ( > http://www.microway.com/mwnsup2000.htm  F It'd be really cool if The OpenVMS Consortium (remember my "Who's withF me?" post?) could work a deal with Microway to come up with a 4u AlphaE machine that, while not formally supported by HP/OVMS was essentially @ built with all OpenVMS compatible (read: qualified) components.   D Then, we pre-load with an e-business set of OpenVMS, TCP/IP, Apache,H etc. and sell that and support against Micro$lop at a competitive price.  3 Dunno if that's possible, but I can dream, can't I?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 04:19:08 -0400+ From: "Ron Milen" <milenronald@mailbag.net> ' Subject: Re: Need OpenVMS (any version) # Message-ID: <3ed9bb8b$1_4@newsfeed>   G "Holi - Holitska Andrs" <holitska_a@cut-it-outludens.elte.hu> wrote in # message news:cCOVhUQTD5ll@ludens... C > In article <20030531200339.21791.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher + <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes: H > > On 31 May 2003, holitska_a@cut-it-outludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs) 
 > > wrote: > >   <snip>   H >   It's is no problem, that registration/membership is required. I justJ >   don't like the fact that _if_ you don't know anybody, you can't try itK >   for free. OpenVMS doesn't have a free media. The internet would be one. L >   It would allow VMS to be more widely spread if VMS did have a free media >   my oppinion. > G IMHO, this is exactly what should be done.  By requiring that you be an D Encompass/DECUS member it wouldn't be any different than the way theK hobbyist license program is set u, and, by making it downloadable, it would K eliminate all the hassles of orders, payments, making the CDs, and shipping K them.  LINUX already can be downloaded from a number of sites, and you have * the option of choosing the site you trust.  K I also wouldn't download VMS distributions from Kazaa for the same reason I H won't download any other computer software from that source, and that isI that I can't trust it.  I can, however, trust, for example, a download of ! LINUX from, say, the REDHAT site.    <snip>	 Ron Milen  milenronald@yahoo.com    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2003 10:06:03 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>' Subject: Re: Need OpenVMS (any version) 6 Message-ID: <20030601100603.17257.qmail@gacracker.org>  L On 31 May 2003, holitska_a@cut-it-outludens.elte.hu (Holi - Holitska Andrs) wrote:B >In article <20030531200339.21791.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher, ><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:   <snip>  L >> It is open _within_ a community.  That community being Encompass, or yourM >> local user group.  There is nothing stopping you from borrowing media from M >> someone within that community.  In fact, I've seen it recommended numerous L >> times on this newsgroup.  With some of the layered products that HobbyistH >> licenses can be obtained for, this is the only way you can get them.  > I >  (I don't know if borrowing/giving away a media is allowed, but I guess  >  you'r right about it.)   K I've seen some of the HP people who post here suggest it.  I think the idea K is, if you've got licenses, you can come here and ask in a discreet manner. 5 There's probably someone local to you that can help.    C >  I don't have anything against the Hobbyist program, thank God it C >  exists, and if you know someone from the community, then you can F >  get the CDs some way, but if your just someone, who is just curiousD >  what VMS is, and you don't know anything about the community, youF >  will have to pay $s so you can try it, and this fact scares peoplesE >  away I think. You can't try it for free if you don't know anybody.   H If you look at it, the Hobbyist programme costs less than buying a LinuxK distribution off the shelf.  The required Encompass membership is free, and  the CDs aren't that expensive.    F >  If your an adventurer that sais 'Well, I've tried Windows and LinuxD >  on my new Itanium, now, are there any other OS-es out there?' andK >  you find OpenVMS you'll see, that even a tryout version costs something. G >  Some people will say 'Oh, i'll have to pay? No thanks.' others will, G >  'Hmm, maybe there are a few OpenVMS users in my neighborhood...' and B >  find the community. We are loosing a few people here and there.  L Have a look at http://deathrow.vistech.net, we're gaining people elsewhere.    <snip>  K >  If it would be a requirement, I would host it that way ( = ensuring that G >  the downloader is a DECUS/Encompass member if it's possible, if not,  >  then I wouldn't host it).  M I think if it were allowed Montagar would do it, but a couple of CD images is + rather a lot for people to be downloading.     <snip>  D >  Perhaps we're back at 'Not enough advertisement for OpenVMS _and_E >  local DECUS group.', maybe this is the core problem. If anyone who D >  hears about VMS would also immediately hear about the local DECUS( >  group, that would erase all problems.  I I've heard reports that some LUGs aren't too sharp at getting information E forwarded onto Montagar for people to get licenses.  Remember though, H http://www.openvmshobbyist.org is new.  If there are issues in using theN website to find out how to get licenses, or media, I'm sure they'll be open to constructive suggestions.   E >  Btw., do any of you know about libraries where OpenVMS CD could be D >  lent/lend (((I allways confuse these two...)))? Would it be legalD >  if a library would offer such a service (for Hobbyist CD I mean)? > B >  If someone in charge could answer this, perhaps I could talk toB >  the informatics library on our university to offer Hobbyist CDs> >  to students who'd like to try it out. That would be a major >  step forward.  ) Start your own LUG at the university. :-)   J If there's any old hardware about, "give" it to someone who is a Hobbyist.H They can then use it under the Hobbyist programme, run a free DCL accessM service, and let students open accounts.  If your LUG is properly affiliated, I them people can apply for licenses, and "borrow" the media from the LUG's  private library.    D I think if this happened at a few colleges or universities, HP mightN reevaluate their educational programme.  I'm not familiar with all the details: of it, but it has received quite a bit of criticism here.   A >  Could someone please clarify if this would be legal? (Could be 6 >  done at other universities/libraries too if it is.)  M Well... unless someone can point out how the above "engineered circumstances" G violates the Hobbyist license terms, your only other alternative is the & aforementioned Educational Programme.   H [Cue comment from Bill Gunshannon - what *is* wrong with the educational  programme?]     Doc. --  K OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.net K           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:30:16 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death& Message-ID: <3EDA1C08.560FAE3@fsi.net>   David Froble wrote:  >  > Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:  > s > > In article <a44Ca.307042$M81.29385@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > > 7 > >>"jlsue" <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message 6 > >>news:jvffdvgav6k8rb4o6jtgehcq699q5c70fv@4ax.com... > >>
 > > <snip> > > E > >>>And it's not that is "isn't what VMS is for", it's that it is an G > >>>unsupported configuration (potentially).  I still say that putting  > >>>  > >>Dev/test > >>E > >>>in a cluster (security domain) with production would get you hit  > >>>  > >>big-time > >>G > >>>with the auditors I've known.  Especially in the financial sector.  > P > Most auditors don't know shit!  It's not an issue of the same cluster, it's anQ > issue of security.  Give the developers privs, and the auditors would be right. N >   Even if the dev people are trusted, what about their actions taking down aR > system or the whole cluster?  If the developers and testers cannot in any mannerK > harm operations or data, being on the same system/cluster isn't an issue.  > N > Do believe that the most trusted person, with privs, can inadvertantly causeO > problems.  I'm proof of this!  My own opinion is that development and testing Q > should be on seperate systems/clusters/whatever, not to protect operations, but > > to protect the developers from their sooner or later "oops!"  B Gotta agree with Dave F. on this one. We just moved our productionH system to a separate cluster, and it promises to afford us much more andH better testing opportunities and safety than having prod/dev in the same cluster.   My $0.02...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:08:42 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: read "generic PC CD" on VMS? $ Message-ID: <bbcjb9$gaj$2@online.de>  < I've used Hunter Goatley's MGPCX for years to read and writeF DOS-formatted floppy disks on VMS.  Works fine.  Is there some way to I read "standard PC CDs" on VMS?  (The concrete goal is to be able to read  H a "standard" picture CD which many film developers now offer for a very E low price if one orders it when the film is initially developed.  It  G says that it is for Windows and Mac etc but says that "other operating  I systems" can view the JPEG files located in some directory, which is all   I want to do anyway.)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 14:05:45 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> ) Subject: Re: read "generic PC CD" on VMS? 2 Message-ID: <3EDA0331.C21C8342@firstdbasource.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > > > I've used Hunter Goatley's MGPCX for years to read and writeG > DOS-formatted floppy disks on VMS.  Works fine.  Is there some way to J > read "standard PC CDs" on VMS?  (The concrete goal is to be able to readI > a "standard" picture CD which many film developers now offer for a very F > low price if one orders it when the film is initially developed.  ItH > says that it is for Windows and Mac etc but says that "other operatingJ > systems" can view the JPEG files located in some directory, which is all > I want to do anyway.)   
 help mount   mount /media_format=cd   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:22:59 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ) Subject: Re: read "generic PC CD" on VMS? ' Message-ID: <3EDA2863.6F0E6798@fsi.net>    Michael Austin wrote:  > 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > > @ > > I've used Hunter Goatley's MGPCX for years to read and writeI > > DOS-formatted floppy disks on VMS.  Works fine.  Is there some way to L > > read "standard PC CDs" on VMS?  (The concrete goal is to be able to readK > > a "standard" picture CD which many film developers now offer for a very H > > low price if one orders it when the film is initially developed.  ItJ > > says that it is for Windows and Mac etc but says that "other operatingL > > systems" can view the JPEG files located in some directory, which is all > > I want to do anyway.)  >  > help mount >  > mount /media_format=cd  F "Generic PC CD" implies Joliet, not ISO-9660. I don't have a sample ofH the data/media he mentions, but I'd expect that MOUNT command to puke on a Joliet CD.  G The newest VMS I have running here at home is V7.2 VAX. It just did the > MOUNT of a Joliet CD I wrote with EasyCD Creator V3.5a (130S):  5 DJMV01::DDACHTERA$ mount/noassi/med=cd dkb500/over=id * %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write lockedG %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, FULLBKP_CD2: (1 of 1) , mounted on  _DJMV01$DKB500:   H ... but I cannot explicitly specify a directory name such as [PROGRA~1]:  * DJMV01::DDACHTERA$ dir dkb500:[progra~1]  : %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening DKB500:[PROGRA~1] as input+ -RMS-F-SYN, file specification syntax error    ...although wildcards do work:  + DJMV01::DDACHTERA$ dir dkb500:[pro*]/noprot    Directory DKB500:[PROGRA~1]   = MICROS~1.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:21.00 = MICROS~2.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:24.00 = MICROS~3.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:26.00 = NETSCAPE.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:18.00 = NETWOR~1.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:20.00 = PGP.DIR;1                  4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:20.00 = PHOTOD~1$0.DIR;1           8/8        13-JAN-2002 12:36:23.00 = PLUS!.DIR;1                4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:17.00 = REAL.DIR;1                 4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:25.00 = REFLEC~1.DIR;1            20/20       13-JAN-2002 12:36:18.00 = SCANSOFT.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:26.00 = SEAGAT~1.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:17.00 = STAMPS~1$COM.DIR;1         4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:26.00 = TECHMA~1.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:26.00 = THEMIC~1.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:17.00 = UNINST~1.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:20.00 = VERITY.DIR;1               4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:20.00 = WINDOW~1.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:17.00 = WINDOW~2.DIR;1             4/4        13-JAN-2002 12:36:26.00     Total of 19 files, 96/96 blocks.  F Depending on the CD content, he may or may not be able to retrieve any meaningful data.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:08:18 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 1 Subject: Re: Samba + Multinet: The Saga continues ' Message-ID: <3EDA24F2.AFB6F5A9@fsi.net>    "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:  > [snip]# > Also note this particular thread:  > A > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=samba-vms&m=104266249319278&w=2  > F > This poster lists the SMBD service in detail, as you do; note he has >  > Socket Options = SO_KEEPALIVE  > 6 > as part of the service definitions; would this help?  > Dunno. I went to some lengths to manually remove that from theF MULTINET:SERVICES.MASTER_SERVER file. It gets applied anyway. Not sure
 why just yet.   D I remember this being a problem with the early versions of CSWS, butH remember what the fix was. I seem recall it having to do with privilege,D which why I SET the SMBD service to run under SYSTEM. Didn't fix it.  E I'm finding VMS-specific Samba help, and Multinet in particular to be C extremely rare. Some folks report having gotten it to work, but the - reports are not detailed. I need the details.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:50:13 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ) Subject: Re: StorageTek l700 on VMS 7.3-1 ' Message-ID: <3EDA20B5.D47BCFEC@fsi.net>    Marc Van Dyck wrote: >  > David, > 8 > If you look for SCSI-FC compatibility, you should look8 > at the products made by TD Systems, a company located,- > I believe, somewhere in New England. [snip] @ > Contact me off line if you want more info. Disclaimer : I have: > no personal interest with the TD Systems company, just a > happy customer.   A You'd want to put them in touch with http://www.datalink.com/ and  http://www.storagetek.com/  H My management doesn't want the hospital's IT section to become a systems integrator.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 31 May 2003 23:58:32 -0700) From: daniel@mimer.se (Daniel Gustafsson) ) Subject: Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner? = Message-ID: <de4cfd03.0305312258.1d51de55@posting.google.com>   Q Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<3ED94E45.4070100@spam.com>... K > I'm working on the WEB site of a school, which has been "produced" with W  > ORD. > K > What is the best code cleaner to remove the (amazing) noise from the html 
 >  pages, 7 > please? Even FrontPage :-( cannot open the sources...  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > D.  % Tidy is a good tool for HTML cleanup.   & http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/ http://tidy.sourceforge.net/   About Word "HTML" support...E "Tidy can now perform wonders on HTML saved from Microsoft Word 2000! D Word bulks out HTML files with stuff for round-tripping presentationD between HTML and Word. If you are more concerned about using HTML onC the Web, check out Tidy's "Word-2000" config option! Of course Tidy * does a good job on Word'97 files as well!"   -- Daniel Gustafsson > http://www.mimer.se - DBMS with optimistic concurrency control   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:58:23 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>) Subject: Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner? % Message-ID: <3ED9B21F.10400@spam.com>    Martin Vorlaender wrote: > A > This runs by the name of "demoronizing" in the perl newsgroups.    Sounds good. Thanks.  N Now, I'm not very familiar with Perl, except OpenVMS ones... should I rewrite O this script in DCL or is there a Perl/VMS HOWTO somewhere? (No, I did not look   at the Freeware CDs yet)   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:55:44 GMT 3 From: wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) ) Subject: Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner? 0 Message-ID: <3ed9db08.125674723@news.eircom.net>  D On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:22:03 +0200, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote:  : >#           De-moron-ise Text from Microsoft Applications   Looks good, but a question:   B >#   Eliminate idiot MS-DOS carriage returns from line terminator.
 >s/\s+$/\n/g;   ? Of course I don't disagree that CR+LF as opposed to plain LF is @ idiotic, but I remember reading somewhere that the HTTP standardA actually required it; is that incorrect? Or is it just that it is E required by the standard but web browsers will also accept pages that  don't have it?   --   "Sore wa himitsu desu."  To reply by email, remove  the small snack from address. ! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 10:59:56 -0500 ( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>) Subject: Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner? / Message-ID: <vdk8oa2tcdis2f@corp.supernews.com>   + On 6/1/2003 5:55 AM, Russell Wallace wrote: F > On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:22:03 +0200, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin > Vorlaender) wrote: >  > ; >>#           De-moron-ise Text from Microsoft Applications  >  >  > Looks good, but a question:  >  > C >>#   Eliminate idiot MS-DOS carriage returns from line terminator.  >>s/\s+$/\n/g; >  > A > Of course I don't disagree that CR+LF as opposed to plain LF is B > idiotic, but I remember reading somewhere that the HTTP standardC > actually required it; is that incorrect? Or is it just that it is G > required by the standard but web browsers will also accept pages that  > don't have it? >   : HTTP requires it, but HTML does not; in other words, each D request/response in the transport protocol (HTTP) is required to be C terminated with a "\r\n", but there is no such requirement for the   *content* (HTML).   H In other words, when a web browser starts a session, it sends a request B to the server (e.g., "GET index.html\r\n") and the server sends a E response (e.g., "200 OK\r\n") - both must be terminated with "\r\n".  G However, the HTML returned by the server is not required to have *any* s6 "\r" or "\n" characters (it could all be on one line).   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:30:42 GMTl From: Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: [OT] best HTML code cleaner? I Message-ID: <SSpCa.182344$ja4.9508441@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>    Didier Morandi wrote::J > I'm working on the WEB site of a school, which has been "produced" with  > WORD.g > G > What is the best code cleaner to remove the (amazing) noise from the fC > html pages, please? Even FrontPage :-( cannot open the sources...o > 	 > Thanks,l >  > D.  	 Try this:   / http://www.textism.com/resources/cleanwordhtml/h     -- d jim AT eight DASH cubed DOT com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.302 ************************