1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 07 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 314       Contents:; Re: Analyst says SCO proof of stolen code very credible ... 1 Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer  RE: Corporate takeovers  Re: Corporate takeovers 7 Re: Download service for VMS and Tru64 layered products 
 echoes of VMS  Re: echoes of VMS  Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64* Re: Halt & Startup Issues with VS 4000 VLC: Re: Radeon 7500 and XP-1000 and OpenGL 1.2: is it working?: Re: Radeon 7500 and XP-1000 and OpenGL 1.2: is it working? VAX VMS 7.3  Re: VAX VMS 7.3  Re: VAX VMS 7.3  Re: VAX VMS 7.3  Re: VAX VMS 7.3   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:24:20 GMT % From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net> D Subject: Re: Analyst says SCO proof of stolen code very credible ...3 Message-ID: <slrnbe32j7.a2t.rivie@Stench.no.domain>   C In article <vdvq9a6khv7vce@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Rice wrote: * > On 6/5/2003 7:30 PM, Bob Ceculski wrote:= >> more stolen code, just like Bill Gates did with Cutler and  >> Dec mica code ... >>  x >> http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=PVND2SIIKBGOCQSNDBCCKH0CJUMEYJVN?articleID=10300314 > & > And this one indicating maybe not... > 2 > http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1016_3-1013229.html > E SCO claims to have found an amendment to the contract that gives them E the copyrights. Novell says they don't have a copy of that amendment. , http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1013865.html   Another interesting take: 6 http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030605.html   --  
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net <input type crash>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:38:12 GMT 2 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org>: Subject: Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer= Message-ID: <U0lEa.29354$nr.2969612@twister.southeast.rr.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EE14DE0.1F3F1F4B@istop.com...  > Dave Gudewicz wrote:J > > Its now been 2 days.  No repsonse to the second (gauntlet) article.  IH > > believe the second was the tougher of the 2 articles.  That's not an excuse% > > for the no reply in my book, btw.  > C > My "batting avertage" is pointless. As Ken Farmer said, I have no  credibility G > anyways. My point is that if you do NOT get a response, it may not be  because F > they don't want to respond but rather than they each think the other person > will respond.   J Lighten up man.  I had a smiley after that comment.  It was a poke at your politics anyway.   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.OpenVMS.org http://dcl.OpenVMS.org   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:51:17 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>   Subject: RE: Corporate takeoversR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058912@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com]=20 > Sent: June 7, 2003 12:49 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Corporate takeovers >=20 >=20 > Oracle buys Peoplesoft.  >=20> > Corel (owner of Wordperfect) sells itself to a california=20* > venture capitalist for a very low price. >=20   JF -=20   ) I thought you were joking .. Holy smoke !    Reference Oracle press release: @ http://www.oracle.com/corporate/investor_relations/FINALpsft.pdfD "ORACLE TO LAUNCH CASH TENDER OFFER FOR PEOPLESOFT FOR $16 PER SHARE  : Oracle Q4 preliminary earnings of 14 to 15 cents per share  H Redwood Shores, Calif., June 6, 2003-Today, Oracle Corporation announced@ that it will commence a cash tender offer to purchase all of theH outstanding shares of PeopleSoft, Inc. (Nasdaq: PSFT) for $16 per share,H or approximately $5.1 billion. Separately, Oracle announced that it willA meet or exceed consensus earnings estimates for the fiscal fourth  quarter.     Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:29:31 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>   Subject: Re: Corporate takeovers' Message-ID: <3EE220FB.C1618FF9@fsi.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----5 > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com]  > > Sent: June 7, 2003 12:49 AM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > > Subject: Corporate takeovers > >  > >  > > Oracle buys Peoplesoft.  > > = > > Corel (owner of Wordperfect) sells itself to a california , > > venture capitalist for a very low price. > >  >  > JF - > + > I thought you were joking .. Holy smoke !  > ! > Reference Oracle press release: B > http://www.oracle.com/corporate/investor_relations/FINALpsft.pdfF > "ORACLE TO LAUNCH CASH TENDER OFFER FOR PEOPLESOFT FOR $16 PER SHARE  F I heard that on the business news on the radio on the way to the trainF station Friday a.m. and spent the trip in pondering what it might mean	 for VMS:    G Oracle + PeopleSoft back-end on VMS instead of or in addition to HP-UX?    Rather a tasty prospect, eh?  H Could go the other way, too, I s'pose. Oracle + HP uses that as leverageE to get VMS folks to move to HP-UX or to promote new sales of HP-UX on  Itanic.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:19:37 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>@ Subject: Re: Download service for VMS and Tru64 layered products2 Message-ID: <bbs3us$vvd$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Bob Marcan wrote:  > Michael Rice wrote:  > ' >> On 6/3/2003 9:36 PM, JF Mezei wrote:  >> >>> Sean O'Banion wrote: >>> H >>>> Unfortunately, it only downloads to Windoze: NTLM authentication is >>>> required. >>>  >>>  >>>  >>> F >>> What is NTLM ? Did Microsoft mess with the FTP protocol ? I can't  >>> understandH >>> why HP would use non-compliant proprietarty microsoft protocols for 
 >>> anything. G >>> But I am not surprised. HP is a subsidiary of Microsoft, after all.  >> >> >>@ >> NTLM (NT LanMan) is a challenge/response algorithm for doing H >> connection/user authentication.  The Microsoft IIS Web server (which G >> is probably what the afformentioned download server is running) can  . >> use this method for validating user logins. >>G >> In a nutshell it works like this, the server side generates a token  J >> for the client to hash, the client hashes it using the user's password H >> and sends back the hashed data, and the server compares that to it's J >> hashed data (using what it thinks is the user's password).  If the two $ >> match, the user is authenticated. >>H >> Unfortunately, I think the hashing requires the Microsoft Crypto API I >> libraries.  Which probably means you can only connect to the download  E >> server using a Windows client.  Obviously the preferred, and more  " >> common, approach is to use SSL. >> >  > Good news. > < > http://www.esecurityplanet.com/prodser/article.php/2203931  ( Maybe for Windooz versions of Mozilla ??  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    Mozilla 1.4 T Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030528  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------     The download page gives me this:          ( You are not authorized to view this pageP You do not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials 
 you supplied.    Please try the following:   H      * Click the Refresh button to try again with different credentials.P      * If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please O contact the Web site administrator by using the e-mail address or phone number  % listed on the www1.sqp.com home page.   C HTTP 401.2 - Unauthorized: Logon failed due to server configuration  Internet Information Services   - Technical Information (for support personnel)         * Background:M        This is usually caused by a server-side script not sending the proper  P WWW-Authenticate header field. Using Active Server Pages scripting this is done P by using the AddHeader method of the Response object to request that the client ; use a certain authentication method to access the resource.         * More information:        Microsoft Support   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:16:26 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>  Subject: echoes of VMS5 Message-ID: <bbshie$crv1c$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   J Last year I changed jobs and now work for a company that does not run VMS.J Its main applications run on OS/390 and W2000. We asked our software toolsF vendor for reference customers so that we could talk about things likeD stability, availability etc. One of the sites we visited was a largeJ hospital. Incidentally, it still surprises me how willing IT professionalsG are to talk quite freely about their challenges with perfect strangers. L Anyway, we were discussing database performance issues. They ran theirs on aJ HP-UX platform and suddenly, their project leader announced that HP-UX wasF not that bad but a far cry from what he considered "the best operating system in the world". L That sure stopped the discussion for a couple of seconds. Then he continued:H the best o/s is VAX/VMS. Our people had at least 15 years VMS experienceC each so rather pleased with that statement. Then the project leader 1 continued, sadly, that VAX/VMS no longer existed.    A couple of conclusions:+ - this is a HP customer (not exactly small) ! - there are VMS fans in the house J But apparently even then they could be led to believe that there's no suchK thing as VAX/VMS anymore. Now of course VAX/VMS is in maintenance mode. But 9 AXP/VMS is still there and I64/VMS is under construction. K OTOH even if HP would have explained the situation on VMS, Sybase put their D VMS based products in maintenance mode. So that's a dead end anyway.   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:36:12 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: echoes of VMS' Message-ID: <3EE2228C.5DB30200@fsi.net>    Hans Vlems wrote:  > L > Last year I changed jobs and now work for a company that does not run VMS.L > Its main applications run on OS/390 and W2000. We asked our software toolsH > vendor for reference customers so that we could talk about things likeF > stability, availability etc. One of the sites we visited was a largeL > hospital. Incidentally, it still surprises me how willing IT professionalsI > are to talk quite freely about their challenges with perfect strangers. N > Anyway, we were discussing database performance issues. They ran theirs on aL > HP-UX platform and suddenly, their project leader announced that HP-UX wasH > not that bad but a far cry from what he considered "the best operating > system in the world". N > That sure stopped the discussion for a couple of seconds. Then he continued:J > the best o/s is VAX/VMS. Our people had at least 15 years VMS experienceE > each so rather pleased with that statement. Then the project leader 3 > continued, sadly, that VAX/VMS no longer existed.   H Well, actually he's quite correct. Not that VAX/VMS no longer exists, inF a way, it does: I believe prior-version support is still available forH V5.5-2 which - strictly speaking - is OpenVMS V5.5-2, and not "VAX/VMS".B Just goes to show how that "Open" thing was ill-conceived, and the' repercussions still resound even today.   F If folks found that confusing, I should imagine they were "lost to theG flow" when Alpha came to be. "Does Alpha run VAX?" is not an unheard-of > question, since "VAX" and "VMS" were frequently mistaken to be synonymous.    > A couple of conclusions:- > - this is a HP customer (not exactly small) # > - there are VMS fans in the house L > But apparently even then they could be led to believe that there's no suchM > thing as VAX/VMS anymore. Now of course VAX/VMS is in maintenance mode. But ; > AXP/VMS is still there and I64/VMS is under construction. M > OTOH even if HP would have explained the situation on VMS, Sybase put their F > VMS based products in maintenance mode. So that's a dead end anyway.  F As we (many of us) have said (and continue to say), a little marketing can go a long, long way...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2003 09:20:05 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0306070820.574db78c@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3EE14342.152CD897@fsi.net>... > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > ? > > look Andrew, the point is that with VMS you don't need nat,  > C > Um, Bob? The vast majority of what NAT is all about has little or H > nothing to do with protection from outside influence. It mostly has to? > do with channeling bunches of unroutable addresses (10.x.x.x, I > 192.168.x.x, ...) through a single "registered" ("world-wide") address.  >  > > you ? > > don't need filters, vpn, stealth or any other unix piece of F > > garbage because as defcon9 and certs prove and as you convenientlyE > > like to avoid them, VMS already has security! What don't you get?  > F > I sincerely hope you are not in charge of network security where youI > work. If such should be the case, however, InstantWhip is in whole heap  > o'trouble!  C you still fail to get the point!  The only thing a firewall is good @ for is DOS attacks ... if a vms box were put live without one onF the internet, it would fare very well as defcon9 proved, "unhackable"!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:17:29 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 ' Message-ID: <3EE21E29.B8D23032@fsi.net>    Bob Ceculski wrote:  > b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3EE14342.152CD897@fsi.net>... > > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > > A > > > look Andrew, the point is that with VMS you don't need nat,  > > E > > Um, Bob? The vast majority of what NAT is all about has little or J > > nothing to do with protection from outside influence. It mostly has toA > > do with channeling bunches of unroutable addresses (10.x.x.x, K > > 192.168.x.x, ...) through a single "registered" ("world-wide") address.  > > 	 > > > you A > > > don't need filters, vpn, stealth or any other unix piece of H > > > garbage because as defcon9 and certs prove and as you convenientlyG > > > like to avoid them, VMS already has security! What don't you get?  > > H > > I sincerely hope you are not in charge of network security where youK > > work. If such should be the case, however, InstantWhip is in whole heap  > > o'trouble! > E > you still fail to get the point!  The only thing a firewall is good  > for is DOS attacks    / Oh, SHIT, Bob! You *ARE* *REALLY* out of touch!   - ... if a vms box were put live without one on H > the internet, it would fare very well as defcon9 proved, "unhackable"!  = I give up. As Bill Todd would likely say, you *ARE* hopeless!    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:24:56 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 3 Subject: Re: Halt & Startup Issues with VS 4000 VLC ' Message-ID: <3EE21FE8.564275CE@fsi.net>    John Santos wrote: > * > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Andrew Balaam wrote: >  > >  > > : > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > M > > On 06/06/03, 09:45:51, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote regarding / > > Re: Halt & Startup Issues with VS 4000 VLC:  > >  > >  > > > Andrew Balaam wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > O > > > > On 06/06/03, 06:05:22, VLC Novice <The7car@comcast.net> wrote regarding / > > > > Halt & Startup Issues with VS 4000 VLC:  > > N > > > > > Secondly, I'm using a Wyse 85 (in VT100 mode) as the console, but if7 > > > > > the terminal is turned off, it halts the VLC.  > > > > N > > > > The reason the vlc halts when the Wyse is switched off, is because theN > > > > vlc sees the RS232 BREAK condition - the BREAK being a relatively longI > > > > MARK or SPACE I can't remember exactly which one. If you pull the O > > > > connector out out of the vlc before you turn off the Wyse, the vlc will Q > > > > probably not HALT. If you want to use the Wyse again, without HALTing the Q > > > > vlc, make sure you turn on the Wyse, let it go through all its power self + > > > > test etc, and then plug it back in.  > > M > > > Yes exactly, I've seen this behaviour as well. Digital series VT's have * > > > never, in  my experience, done this. > >  > > > --E > > > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  > > > nclews at csc dot com  > > M > > Never having used a genuine DEC terminal, I can't comment on that. We had K > > a couple of CITOH VT100s and a couple of Wyse VT220 terminals, and they + > > both sent BREAKs when turned on or off.  > B > Don't know about the VLC, but on many VAXes, you can disable theB > "HALT ON BREAK" function by setting a switch correctly.  (If youA > need to halt, e.g. for kernel debugging, then you have to reset & > the switch before pressing <BREAK>.) > D > Check the terminal settings to see if the "SEND BREAK ON POWEROFF"$ > is a feature that can be disabled. > B > Easier (and less stress on the cables) than unplugging the cableB > every time you want to turn the terminal off, is to get an RS232? > A/B switch and connect the VAX to "A" and nothing to "B", and = > switch to "B" before turning it off.  (Make sure the switch D > doesn't generate a break when you throw it.)  I bet these switchesG > show up on Ebay a lot, since it seems to me back in the terminal era, C > almost everyone who had a terminal on their desk had an A/B(/C/D) B > switch next to it.  They were probably all surplused when people> > switched to PC's or to VT420-vintage terminals with multiple > serial ports.   E If you can find the parts, and if you're into a little soldering, any > 6-pole, double- or more throw switch will do. Just cut up someG DECconnect cables and solder directly to the lugs on the switch, unless  you can find MMJ jacks.   F In the case of a rotary switch, make sure it's break-before-make (thatA is, break one set of connections before making the next) to avoid G certain issues. A 6PDT toggle switch would likely be break-before-make,  but check the spec.'s.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 08:55:39 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>C Subject: Re: Radeon 7500 and XP-1000 and OpenGL 1.2: is it working? 2 Message-ID: <bbs2ht$dld$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:- > "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message . > news:bbla5t$dn0$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl... > G >>It is not made by ATI, but seems to be a 100% clone. Works fine in my  >  > DS10, and  > A >>is a LOT cheaper then a similar card from HP (sorry Fred......)  >> >  > M > Yes, but in the grand scheme of the cost of a system - it's noise.  And for K > buying it from us, you help finance our ability to support it and develop L > the code for the next card.  If everyone were to buy the cards seperately,M > someone would notice that we aren't selling graphics, and might decide that ? > since nobody uses graphics we don't need to develop any more.  >  >  > N You're right Fred, but for hobby systems it's different. In fact I doubt if I M would be able to order a HP branded card, since most of the 'partners' don't  + sell to private persons, only to companies.   P At work I prefer buying components from HP, although sometimes HP makes it very L difficult to upheld that rule. I have had cases where HP memory was 11 (!!) P times more expensive then good quality 3rd party memory. Using 3rd party memory Q saved my company several $100,000 in one project alone. In fact it these savings  L may make a project feasible, meaning that HP can at least sell the computer 8 systems. Otherwise the whole project may be canceled....   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:52:23 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>C Subject: Re: Radeon 7500 and XP-1000 and OpenGL 1.2: is it working? 5 Message-ID: <bbs7vv$cq2pi$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>   & On 07-Jun-2003 08:55, Dirk Munk wrote:  P > You're right Fred, but for hobby systems it's different. In fact I doubt if I O > would be able to order a HP branded card, since most of the 'partners' don't  - > sell to private persons, only to companies.  >  > [...]   G That is true for other IT areas too. Even in these harsh economic times ? at least some companies seem to prefer not to sell to potential , customers. Apparently they don't need money.   --    @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:56:45 +0100! From: "JK" <jansen7500@zonnet.nl>  Subject: VAX VMS 7.30 Message-ID: <1054994900.44645@tbird.introweb.nl>  	 Hi there,   + I am an unix guy starting to work with VMS.   F I have a Microvax 3100 with a doublespeed 512byte block cd-rom player.  ) The VAX will boot from my 7.3 VAX VMS cd. ( It asks the time and shows my devices...  H Then when I try to restore the vms073.b saveset (or should I say install VMS).  The command I use:& backup dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300:   My terminal displays:   9 sabkup$BKB400 is offline. Mount verification in progress.   J I googled for it. The only thing I found told me that my cdrom is no good.  / But I can not imagine that this is the problem. 2 I can boot from it, now it can not read the cdrom?   Your help is very welcome.  # Thank you in advance for your help.   
 Kind regards,    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:39:53 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3) Message-ID: <3EE21558.4EF56861@istop.com>   	 JK wrote: H > I have a Microvax 3100 with a doublespeed 512byte block cd-rom player.( > backup dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300:; > sabkup$BKB400 is offline. Mount verification in progress.   H 1- this doesn't have much to do with your poroblem, for you need to use   , backup/image dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300:  W 2- when you boot, do you boot VMS or standalone backup ? (I suspect standalone backup).   L It has been a while since I booted standalone backup, but doesn't it provideM you with a list of devices it has configured before giving you the ability to < issue the backup command ? In that list, is dkb400 present ?  N Is it possible that the 3100's ROM would allow booting from SCSI-A and SCSI-B,N but standalone backup would only see devices on the A bus ?  (when i booted my1 3100 from CD, I had it hardwired into the A bus).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:13:52 -0400 & From: Mickalide <mickalide@empire.net> Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3) Message-ID: <3EE21D50.8030307@empire.net>   & --------------0804050006030308020504049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   F Whenever I do an image backup I have to mount the target disk /FOR in  order for this to work        JF Mezei wrote:   
 >JK wrote: >    > H >>I have a Microvax 3100 with a doublespeed 512byte block cd-rom player.( >>backup dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300:; >>sabkup$BKB400 is offline. Mount verification in progress.  >>     >> > I >1- this doesn't have much to do with your poroblem, for you need to use   > - >backup/image dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300:  > X >2- when you boot, do you boot VMS or standalone backup ? (I suspect standalone backup). > M >It has been a while since I booted standalone backup, but doesn't it provide N >you with a list of devices it has configured before giving you the ability to= >issue the backup command ? In that list, is dkb400 present ?  > O >Is it possible that the 3100's ROM would allow booting from SCSI-A and SCSI-B, O >but standalone backup would only see devices on the A bus ?  (when i booted my 2 >3100 from CD, I had it hardwired into the A bus). >    >     & --------------080405000603030802050404) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>   <title></title>  </head>  <body>K Whenever I do an image backup I have to mount the target disk /FOR in order  for this to work <br>  <br> &nbsp; <br>  <br> JF Mezei wrote:<br> > <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid3EE21558.4EF56861@istop.com">   <pre wrap="">JK wrote:   </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">W     <pre wrap="">I have a Microvax 3100 with a doublespeed 512byte block cd-rom player. & backup dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300:9 sabkup$BKB400 is offline. Mount verification in progress. 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->H 1- this doesn't have much to do with your poroblem, for you need to use   , backup/image dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300:  W 2- when you boot, do you boot VMS or standalone backup ? (I suspect standalone backup).   L It has been a while since I booted standalone backup, but doesn't it provideM you with a list of devices it has configured before giving you the ability to < issue the backup command ? In that list, is dkb400 present ?  N Is it possible that the 3100's ROM would allow booting from SCSI-A and SCSI-B,N but standalone backup would only see devices on the A bus ?  (when i booted my1 3100 from CD, I had it hardwired into the A bus).    </pre>
 </blockquote>  <br> </body>  </html>   ( --------------080405000603030802050404--   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:46:05 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3' Message-ID: <3EE224DD.E92A36C3@fsi.net>   	 JK wrote:  >  > Hi there,  > - > I am an unix guy starting to work with VMS.  > H > I have a Microvax 3100 with a doublespeed 512byte block cd-rom player. > + > The VAX will boot from my 7.3 VAX VMS cd. * > It asks the time and shows my devices... > J > Then when I try to restore the vms073.b saveset (or should I say install > VMS).  > The command I use:( > backup dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300: >  > My terminal displays:  > ; > sabkup$BKB400 is offline. Mount verification in progress.  > L > I googled for it. The only thing I found told me that my cdrom is no good. > 1 > But I can not imagine that this is the problem. 4 > I can boot from it, now it can not read the cdrom? >  > Your help is very welcome. > % > Thank you in advance for your help.   E I have had the same experience with other CD-Roms. It'll boot up, and + even run SABKUP. But then, things go south.   E VMS, especially on VAX, is a touch picky about which CD-Rom drives it D will "play nice" with. Sorry to say, being able to do 512-byte blockF I/Os is not a guarantee. ARRE and ARWE(?) are also among the issues to consider, and others.   H If you can find one cheap, older Toshibas are a good bet, unless you canE find a genuine RRD-42, -43 or even later on e-Bay. Just check that it ; has a 50-pin SCSI connector. MicroVAXes mostly have SCSI-I.   H Sorry to just say "Good luck", but that's really about the extent of it.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 12:48:04 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3' Message-ID: <3EE22554.2C054072@fsi.net>    Mickalide wrote: > G > Whenever I do an image backup I have to mount the target disk /FOR in  > order for this to work  E ...in the Stand-Alone VMS environment (root 1 of the VAX CD) and in a  normal VMS environment.   C SABKUP is smart enough to handle that on its own, and also does not  provide for such commands.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.314 ************************                                                                                                                     )7NVkH 6@ 0ʳlHMum#$pH^LM$sHKbɭ :xH TɳX9yHrɀTxH]yHf
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