1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 315       Contents:; Re: Analyst says SCO proof of stolen code very credible ... 1 Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer 1 Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer 1 Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer 1 Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer 1 Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer  Re: Argh- help!  Comments from carly  Re: Corporate takeovers ) Re: CSID value causing problem in cluster  Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64# Re: Here's a commercial for you all # Re: Here's a commercial for you all # Re: Here's a commercial for you all / Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way / Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way / Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way  MSA1000 vs EVA3000  Re: OpenVMS Pearl - New Customer Re: perl question 
 perl question  Re: perl question  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: Portents of VMS death  Re: VAX VMS 7.3  Re: VAX VMS 7.3  Re: VAX VMS 7.3 ; Re: When you don't have substance, perception is everything ; Re: When you don't have substance, perception is everything ; Re: When you don't have substance, perception is everything 0 Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:56:53 -0500 ( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>D Subject: Re: Analyst says SCO proof of stolen code very credible .../ Message-ID: <ve4kdajn6shscf@corp.supernews.com>   & On 6/7/2003 9:24 AM, Roger Ivie wrote:E > In article <vdvq9a6khv7vce@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Rice wrote:  > * >>On 6/5/2003 7:30 PM, Bob Ceculski wrote: >>= >>>more stolen code, just like Bill Gates did with Cutler and  >>>Dec mica code ... >>> x >>>http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=PVND2SIIKBGOCQSNDBCCKH0CJUMEYJVN?articleID=10300314 >>& >>And this one indicating maybe not... >>2 >>http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1016_3-1013229.html >> > G > SCO claims to have found an amendment to the contract that gives them G > the copyrights. Novell says they don't have a copy of that amendment. . > http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1013865.html >  > Another interesting take: 8 > http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030605.html >   B I wonder if they were actually searching for this amendment or if F finding it was accidental.  Almost like some paralegal was organizing G some filing cabinet and happended to come across it: "Hey, look what I  1 found, think anyone would be interested in this?"   A The copyright claim by SCO should make this whole show much more  9 entertaining...looks like SCO stock might shoot up again.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:09:21 -0500, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>: Subject: Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer/ Message-ID: <ve4l3v4fn5se72@corp.supernews.com>   = "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org> wrote in message 7 news:U0lEa.29354$nr.2969612@twister.southeast.rr.com... 9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % > news:3EE14DE0.1F3F1F4B@istop.com...  > > Dave Gudewicz wrote:L > > > Its now been 2 days.  No repsonse to the second (gauntlet) article.  IJ > > > believe the second was the tougher of the 2 articles.  That's not an > excuse' > > > for the no reply in my book, btw.  > > E > > My "batting avertage" is pointless. As Ken Farmer said, I have no 
 > credibility I > > anyways. My point is that if you do NOT get a response, it may not be 	 > because H > > they don't want to respond but rather than they each think the other > person > > will respond.  > L > Lighten up man.  I had a smiley after that comment.  It was a poke at your > politics anyway. >  > -- > Kenneth Farmer <>< > http://www.OpenVMS.org > http://dcl.OpenVMS.org >  >   J Good point Ken.  We all need to lighten up a bit.  That said, how 'bout weI all have at least one "light" tonight.  3 or 4 would naturally be better.    Dave...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:34:51 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>: Subject: Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer) Message-ID: <3EE2769A.D8AB7D30@istop.com>   N > > Lighten up man.  I had a smiley after that comment.  It was a poke at your > > politics anyway.  M I have been flamed, insulted, denigraded enough on the net that I rarely take  insults seriously.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:49:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: Another future of VMS article on the InquirerH Message-ID: <kSuEa.23163$3Sm.18165@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote in message ) news:ve2ifnc6m1rn35@corp.supernews.com...  > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB > news:YESDa.7984$j9%.2669@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > ; > > "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> wrote in message - > > news:vdvpss8e5afv00@corp.supernews.com... F > > > So far no reply to the 2nd gauntlet article, but as mentioned in the 
 > > threadE > > > on the first article I did receive a reply from Gorham the next  > > morning. > > > B > > > JF mentioned on both occasions that sending mail to multiple > > recipients? > > > results in no response.  At the moment he's batting .500.  > >  > > B > > In baseball he'd be the batting champion of the league, with a salary > > and bonus to match.  > > B > > Now what's your point? Is it that in general JF is right about whenC > > sending memo's to multiple recipients it is often the case that  eachF > > recipient thinks it's the other's balliwick, especially if it is a( > > 'tough' question? Or something else? > >  > >  > E > While .500 is GREAT in baseball, it isn't all that good when making  the F > statement, every else thinks the others will reply, or words to that effect. D > That was my point.  There are some here, that no matter what, will find' > something to bitch about.  That's OK.  > F > Friend of mine used to say, "some would bitch if you hung 'em with a new  > rope." > E > Its now been 2 days.  No repsonse to the second (gauntlet) article.  I F > believe the second was the tougher of the 2 articles.  That's not an excuse# > for the no reply in my book, btw.   F Carly(tm) is probably going through her rolodex calling all the formerA Enron auditors she can get hold of to come in to prove that VMS's A contribution to HP is a $800 million LOSS, not a profit, and that D everybody using VMS better be bloody grateful that it's still around at all.   F Former Enron Auditors: "We can charge off all carly's salary and bonusC against VMS...after all, she went to Hew Hampshire once...and don't F forget the gas for the plane trip, and the hair appointment. That addsF up to $500MM. ...what else can we charge against VMS? ...Let's add the@ charge for changing the HP website so that anybody who looks forC information about VMS the way anyone would think is the norm in the D industry, ie. www.hp.com/openvms gets a 404 error...that'll bring us; to the $800MM loss we need. There..you see..it pays to hire  professionals."    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:26:17 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> : Subject: Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer' Message-ID: <3EE282A9.4D10B144@fsi.net>    Dave Gudewicz wrote: > ? > "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org> wrote in message 9 > news:U0lEa.29354$nr.2969612@twister.southeast.rr.com... ; > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message ' > > news:3EE14DE0.1F3F1F4B@istop.com...  > > > Dave Gudewicz wrote:N > > > > Its now been 2 days.  No repsonse to the second (gauntlet) article.  IL > > > > believe the second was the tougher of the 2 articles.  That's not an
 > > excuse) > > > > for the no reply in my book, btw.  > > > G > > > My "batting avertage" is pointless. As Ken Farmer said, I have no  > > credibility K > > > anyways. My point is that if you do NOT get a response, it may not be  > > because J > > > they don't want to respond but rather than they each think the other
 > > person > > > will respond.  > > N > > Lighten up man.  I had a smiley after that comment.  It was a poke at your > > politics anyway. > >  > > -- > > Kenneth Farmer <>< > > http://www.OpenVMS.org > > http://dcl.OpenVMS.org > >  > >  > L > Good point Ken.  We all need to lighten up a bit.  That said, how 'bout weK > all have at least one "light" tonight.  3 or 4 would naturally be better.   D There's always the joke about the nurse who handed a light beer to aG proctologist during an exam, where upon he remarked, "No, I asked for a  butt light..."   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:53:14 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>: Subject: Re: Another future of VMS article on the Inquirer2 Message-ID: <ipucnQSyadqPCn-jXTWcqw@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:kSuEa.23163$3Sm.18165@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...   ...   H > Carly(tm) is probably going through her rolodex calling all the formerC > Enron auditors she can get hold of to come in to prove that VMS's C > contribution to HP is a $800 million LOSS, not a profit, and that F > everybody using VMS better be bloody grateful that it's still around	 > at all.   J I did find Terry's recent Inquirer reference to $800 million in annual VMSF system profit rather a hoot, since two years ago when I presented thatL figure as a reason why Compaq shouldn't have jeopardized it by killing Alpha3 he was one of those who pooh-poohed that assertion.   G Since then, VMS revenues have dropped by at least half (from $4 billion G annually as of Y2K/early 2001) to $2 billion annually just a few months E later (as of the December, 2001 formal letter responding to Gartner's K negative comments about VMS, so one might reasonably assume that the figure L wasn't being low-balled).  But now that Terry perceives robust VMS health toH be in his interest, he's quoting the pre-Alphacide profit figure of $800L million (just as others are still quoting the VMS installed base at the same9 411,000 systems that were being claimed 2 - 3 years ago).   B You'd think that I'd have given up being disgusted by this kind ofF transparent misrepresentation by now, but the disgust just keeps beingH refreshed by the continued flow of it.  I guess we'll keep hearing aboutI VMS's $800 million profit and 411,000 installed systems until we hear the H cancellation announcement, at which point both numbers will miraculously1 drop to (or in the case of the first below) zero.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:20:19 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Argh- help!L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0706030920190001@user-105n976.dialup.mindspring.com>  O In article <3EE0310C.8010500@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote:    >Dean Woodward wrote:  > L >> I've got a DPWS 500 with a bad NIC on the system board. I put a DE500 in L >> and just use EWB0, but I'm inundated with carrier check failure messages  >> from the unused NIC.  >>  + >> How do I disable this thing permanently?  > E >Thanks, all! Doing a NET$CONFIGURE ADVANCED seems to have done it...     L In this case, you found the right solution, which is to use NET$CONFIGURE to% keep DECnet from using the interface.   O In other cases, you really do want to change how network events are reported...   H To change which messages get reported, look at net$event_startup.ncl and net$event_local.template.   I The Event Dispatcher commands look daunting, because there are (too) many I features to support.  You can have multiple streams inbound and outbound, 4 with _extremely_ selective filtering on each stream.  L But in the simple, default set-up, you'd want a command something like this:  C block event dispatcher outbound stream local_stream global filter - 2  ((node, csma-cd, station), Carrier Check Failure)   Which means...E   Tell the outbound message stream named "local_stream" (which is the F default stream), to block a message from any station (i.e. adapter) ofC network entity "csma-cd" (ethernet) on any node.  The message to be # blocked is "Carrier Check Failure".     G To block this message from only a single network adapter, say csmacd-1,  you'd need something like:  E block event dispatcher outbound stream local_stream specific filter - C ((node local:.foo csma-cd station csmacd-1), Carrier Check Failure)   G Notice that the specific filter syntax corresponds to the format of the  OPCOM message:   Event: xxxxx from: yyyyy  E block event dispatcher outbound stream local_stream specific filter -  ((yyyyy), xxxxx)  * It's shorter, but less clear, if you type:  L bl ev di ou st local_stream sp fi ((no local:.foo cs st csmacd-1), ca ch fa)  C NCL lets you abbreviate anything except names of specific entities.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 02:09:57 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Comments from carlyH Message-ID: <VVwEa.23225$3Sm.20133@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  + Caught a re-run of the Kudlow & Cramer show ? (http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/TV_Info/P12129.asp) F originally aired on June 3, 2003 (sorry, I can't find a place to get a transcript - anyone???).   The guest...carly.  A She's talking about a lot of issues, answering a lot of questions @ about dividend payouts, cash generation, etc...  that technologyD spending is at 2x GDP now, that HP intended to increase market share4 at competitor's expense, etc... nothing new there...  B She tosses out some numbers about the Printing and Imaging Group -/ profits up by 46% on a revenue increase of 11%.   ? In the last 60 seconds of her spot she says that the Enterprise E Systems Group is the last group that will be turned around - that ESG < will be turned around in the 2nd half of this year, and moreD interestingly, "There's more growth and margin in enterprise systems( than there are in printing and imaging."  E Given that carly says ESG has better business potential than printing D and imaging, at most companies that would mean extensive advertisingF and marketing of those products. Guess we'll have to wait and see what/ that means for VMS in the 2nd half of the year.     F I had never really heard carly speak 'off the cuff' before (though forD a show like this anyone who appears is going to be well rehearsed inE the likely questions)...she's polished & articulate (though I've seen A better), but as this was a financial tv show aimed at people with @ money on their minds, I was unable to get a read on her grasp ofF technology in an ad-hoc setting - as opposed to stage-managed Adaptive Enterprise type presentations.  B But then again, in management at her level, she's not paid to careB about technology, only to extract the maximum amount of money from@ customers possibly on a sustained basis while keeping costs low.: That's supposedly what her bosses, the shareholders, want.  F That last comment was not meant to be glib....for senior management atE almost all public companies all decisions boil down to which products C are going to be emphasized, which ones are kept around because they E have a legal obligation to do so or because they are cash cows, which @ ones are going to be killed, and which ones are going to be sold: because they don't want to be in that business any longer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:33:44 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>   Subject: Re: Corporate takeoversH Message-ID: <sDuEa.23137$3Sm.18948@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EE220FB.C1618FF9@fsi.net...  > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >   > > > -----Original Message-----7 > > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com] ! > > > Sent: June 7, 2003 12:49 AM  > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " > > > Subject: Corporate takeovers > > >  > > >  > > > Oracle buys Peoplesoft.  > > > ? > > > Corel (owner of Wordperfect) sells itself to a california . > > > venture capitalist for a very low price. > > >  > >  > > JF - > > - > > I thought you were joking .. Holy smoke !  > > # > > Reference Oracle press release: D > > http://www.oracle.com/corporate/investor_relations/FINALpsft.pdfB > > "ORACLE TO LAUNCH CASH TENDER OFFER FOR PEOPLESOFT FOR $16 PER SHARE  > B > I heard that on the business news on the radio on the way to the train C > station Friday a.m. and spent the trip in pondering what it might  mean
 > for VMS: > B > Oracle + PeopleSoft back-end on VMS instead of or in addition to HP-UX? >  > Rather a tasty prospect, eh? > A > Could go the other way, too, I s'pose. Oracle + HP uses that as  leverageD > to get VMS folks to move to HP-UX or to promote new sales of HP-UX on	 > Itanic.     > The latter if HP senior management has anything to do with it.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 03 05:31:06 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 2 Subject: Re: CSID value causing problem in cluster) Message-ID: <Q0z2I$Bf1wP$@elias.decus.ch>   T In article <3EE056D4.A040B3BB@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > Lee wrote: >>   > = >> Ten other licenses (including DECNET, UCX) failed to load.  >> ...8 >> %LICENSE-W-NOLOAD, license was not loaded for VOLSHAD; >> %LICENSE-W-NOLOAD, license was not loaded for VMSCLUSTER  >> ... >>   > E >> Has anyone encountered this problem and resolved it without taking C >> such drastic steps.  We are a 24x7 operation and even 30 minutes + >> downtime is not acceptable to the users.  > E > I'm not familiar with this known problem but here's some things you  > could try. > F > Modify the licences to /INCLUDE the nodename you want the licence to
 > load on. >   I I would agree with that advice. At one point we added a 4100 as a cluster E member to a pair of 8400s and ran into licensing problems, presumably I because the 4100 had grabbed some of the 8400 license units. /INCLUDE was 
 the solution.    H > Use SYSMAN to SET ENV/NODE=abcdef and try LIC UNLOAD asdasdasd and LIC > LOAD on the node you want. > G > Other things to be sure of (may be too late in your case) is that you F > either use the same shared licence file on all nodes, or the licenceB > files are identical (have copies of all licences) if not shared. >  > Good luck.   Ditto.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2003 11:25:18 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0306071025.2ce6a66d@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3EE14342.152CD897@fsi.net>... > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > ? > > look Andrew, the point is that with VMS you don't need nat,  > C > Um, Bob? The vast majority of what NAT is all about has little or H > nothing to do with protection from outside influence. It mostly has to? > do with channeling bunches of unroutable addresses (10.x.x.x, I > 192.168.x.x, ...) through a single "registered" ("world-wide") address.  >  > > you ? > > don't need filters, vpn, stealth or any other unix piece of F > > garbage because as defcon9 and certs prove and as you convenientlyE > > like to avoid them, VMS already has security! What don't you get?  > F > I sincerely hope you are not in charge of network security where youI > work. If such should be the case, however, InstantWhip is in whole heap  > o'trouble!  A and again I challenge you!  I'll bet a vms box without a firewall = is unhackable just like defcon9 found out ... I would love to ? see one put up on the web, and you just hack right into it, the B only restriction being a DOS attack (which your isp and a firewall= can handle) ... so you think you are smarter then the defcon9  people?    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2003 11:27:16 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0306071027.584703de@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3EE14342.152CD897@fsi.net>... > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > ? > > look Andrew, the point is that with VMS you don't need nat,  > C > Um, Bob? The vast majority of what NAT is all about has little or H > nothing to do with protection from outside influence. It mostly has to? > do with channeling bunches of unroutable addresses (10.x.x.x, I > 192.168.x.x, ...) through a single "registered" ("world-wide") address.  >  > > you ? > > don't need filters, vpn, stealth or any other unix piece of F > > garbage because as defcon9 and certs prove and as you convenientlyE > > like to avoid them, VMS already has security! What don't you get?  > F > I sincerely hope you are not in charge of network security where youI > work. If such should be the case, however, InstantWhip is in whole heap  > o'trouble!  > wasn't there someone on this board a year or two ago that said: they had a vms box up on the web without any firewall, and< challenged anyone to break in ... who was that and why don't we give you a crack at it?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 15:02:19 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 ) Message-ID: <3EE236B1.F0B677B4@istop.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote: @ > wasn't there someone on this board a year or two ago that said< > they had a vms box up on the web without any firewall, and> > challenged anyone to break in ... who was that and why don't > we give you a crack at it?  N What applications/sercvers do you have/need, and what level of security do youN need ? Do you consider someone sending a print job directly to your printer to< be a problem ? VMS won't be able to do much to prevent that.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2003 21:11:35 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>% Subject: Re: Firewall for VMS / TRU64 2 Message-ID: <Cretin-Alert.20030607_01@nowhere.nil>  8 On 7 Jun 2003, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:  + <snip. Sigh, I blame JF for quoting him...>   ? >wasn't there someone on this board a year or two ago that said   1 This isn't a board, it's a Newsgroup you cretin.    ; >they had a vms box up on the web without any firewall, and = >challenged anyone to break in ... who was that and why don't  >we give you a crack at it?   I My box sits in the DMZ, you do know what a DMZ is don't you?  It probably N would have problems with a DoS attack (That's Denial of Service Boob, not Disk Operating System).  ...bah....  > BTW, it _has_ been hacked.  Once.  See BugTraq for details. :)    J "If you tell a security expert that you only have had one break-in in fiveF  years, he'll be impressed. If you tell him that you have never seen a/  break-in at all, he'll consider you an idiot."   & -Building Internet Firewalls, O'Reilly    L Here, have a neuron.  It'll keep your other one company.  Collect enough andC you may be able to pass the Information Superhighway Driving Test.       Doc. --  K OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.net K           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:37:38 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> , Subject: Re: Here's a commercial for you allG Message-ID: <6HuEa.23146$3Sm.7291@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:SpqJK7AkPQQG@eisner.encompasserve.org... 8 > In article <00A20FDD.6AA74389@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,F winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: = > > In article <3EE12288.6010404@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > >>Lurker at Large wrote: > >> > >>8 > >>> The reason our product has the reputation it does? > >>> ** VMS ** and VMScluster!  > >> > >>F > >>I figured I knew where this was going.  Then you totally surprised me.  The@ > >>usual reason users want a particular product is features and capability, not @ > >>necessarily in that order.  I was thinking that your product server the needs of E > >>that industry much better than any other, not what you indicated.  > >>A > >>So tell me, without a surperior product, and people, (I don't  know, you didn'tF > >>say), why would VMS and VMScluster make the users so much happier? > >  > > D > > I'm just guessing here that ease of management (and fewer people
 devoted toB > > system administration) and high availability over  roughly the same set of F > > features and benefits are of great interest to taxpayer-funded 911 centers,D > > and that these are supplied by the choice of VMS and VMSclusters rather than  > > Windows. > > > Whereas _I_ would guess that for the 911 industry, uptime is everything.     D Alan and Larry are both correct.....And in earthquake-prone areas of? high population density, one might include the phrase "disaster < tolerance" in the equation as an absolute requirement in any2 reasonable RFP for a system/application like this.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:02:56 -0400, From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>, Subject: Re: Here's a commercial for you all/ Message-ID: <ve4vii13m5u15d@news.supernews.com>    Data 911 ???   DT   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 03 06:55:18 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) , Subject: Re: Here's a commercial for you all) Message-ID: <rLl65OwKNF3q@elias.decus.ch>   d In article <U5pcx+ddpjuy@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Lurker at Large) writes:H > 	Here's an object lesson for HP management (meant in a helpful sense,  > not sneering): > G > 	For those who don't know me, I work for a major DOD contractor.  My  K > particular division is a longtime software vendor of E911 computer aided  L > dispatch software.  Longtime because we've built up a reputation with our F > market over the last 20 years, and dominate the 911 dispatch market.J > 	Our primary product is written in Cobol and Macro on VMS.  A few years N > ago we started another product line to do the same thing but on Windows and N > unix platforms.  I could go on about that, but that's a tangent.  Here's my  > point of posting: D > 	Over the last year we've had several major accomplishments worth  > bragging about.  > Q > 1.  At least two clients who used to run our Cobol product but then changed to  O > a competitor's product finally threw in the towel and asked us to re-install  Q > our Cobol/VMS product.  (In an internal article on one of these events, it was  O > commented that our installation team was specially greeted by the customer's  J > staff.  Someone announced that "XYZ is here", and everyone stood up and 
 > applauded.)  > L > 2.  At the ongoing request of many clients and potential customers, we've I > agreed to resume selling the Cobol/VMS product to new customers.  (Our  K > management stopped for a few years, trying to sell only the Windows/unix  R > product to new customers.)  So this year we're installing our Cobol/VMS product  > at two new, large customers! > J > 	(I'm not naming names because I'm a workerbee who's just proud as heck Q > of her product and company, but I have no authorization to publicize this.  If  Q > HP would like the details, feel free to email me and I can line you up with my  ) > bosses and go through proper channels.)  > I > 	Windows and unix/linux techies sneer and scorn VMS and the "obsolete"  P > stuff like Cobol and Macro.  But our customers love our product and potential P > customers ASK for our product.  Old customers who go away and come back, come  > back vehemently.7 > 	The reason our product has the reputation it does?    > 	** VMS ** and VMScluster! >    Nice story. Thanks.    >  >  - Sharon, lurker at Large' > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jcwoman        --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:52:29 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way2 Message-ID: <_xCdnf5lFIRoOX-jXTWcqw@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:j+1v3JCmYhVX@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <bbnmfb$aqg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK; Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:    ...   B > > It would appear that your jibe about Opterons sweet spot beingA > > 4 CPU's is better applied to Itanium which currently based on @ > > the benchmark you chose SPECfp has a sweet spot of 1-2 CPU's > >  > & > Yeah, if you choose the wrong vendor  9 The 'wrong vendor' being HP in this particular case, Rob.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:48:25 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way2 Message-ID: <WdydnV14pb1gPn-jXTWcow@metrocast.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EE0B52A.8D5241EE@istop.com...  > Carl Perkins wrote: L > > Then there is the power and heat thing. What is the FP speed per watt of< > > power, and heat, rating of each of the IA64 and Opteron? > F > As I recall, Alpha was also pretty hot in its first iteration. Oh, I forgot, G > IA64 is at close to its 3rd iteration with Madison supposed to arrive  "soon", 	 > right ?  > L > Seriously though, are the heat/power characteristics of IA64 the result of itD > being a baby chip that isn't mature yet, or is it truly due to theI > size/complexity of the chip, a drawback IA64 will retain throughout its  life > compared to its competition ?   J At 130W peak power Itanic2 is indeed a 'hot item'.  And all the statementsL I've seen about Madison indicate that it will be just as 'hot' (because it'sJ effectively the same core, shrunk and speeded up to consume the same total power).   J Madison and Opteron are both in 130 nm processes and hence make at least aH somewhat reasonable pair to compare.  Assuming that the 2 GHz Opteron atG 1.45 v ships as planned about when Madison does, they should have about D equal integer performance while Madison should have about 50% higherJ floating-point performance.  Unfortunately for Madison, the Opteron shouldJ consume only about half as much power (around 50W typical - I haven't seenK max power estimates, though the entire 130 nm Opteron line, all the the way H up to 2.4 or 2.6 GHz, seems to be speced for a peak power consumption of 84.7W).   J My impression is that Itanic2's power consumption is largely a function ofJ its core architecture, more than, e.g., the amount of on-chip cache.  ThatJ means its customers are stuck with it if they want to maintain competitiveH performance (there's a 1 GHz Madison variant coming out at only 62 W forG things like blade installations, but that - with only 1.5 MB of on-chip I cache - won't perform quite as well as the current 1 GHz McKinleys).  And H when the dual-core 90 nm Montecito arrives in 2005 customers may have toI choose between limited performance gains and single-core operation, since 3 260 W is rather a lot to suck out of a single chip.   I The EV8 team is reported now to be working on 'Tanglewood' for the 2006-7 D time frame (just as I predicted two years ago...).  That's the first+ potential power relief in sight for Itanic.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:58:42 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way2 Message-ID: <gOWcnYFxIM30O3-jXTWcrg@metrocast.net>  3 "Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in message + news:755Ea.2147$_T3.387@news.cpqcorp.net... K > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  wrote: > > Rick Jones wrote:    ...   0 > >>>20% would be a reasonable initial estimate. > >> > >>D > >> Out of curiousity, how do you arrive at that estimate?  By whatG > >> quantity will cache pressure increase in the SPECfp2000 suite when J > >> going LP64 (Linux) or P64 (Windows) versus the gains from having moreA > >> registers in 64-bit mode in the Opteron than in 32-bit mode?  > >> > F > > Its not mine its AMD's for FP and I would cut them some slack if IB > > was you, they were accurate for the 32bit numbers even if they, > > missed the initial launch speed of 2GHz. >IH > All I was requesting was a reference to the methodology used to arriveE > at the estimate.  I arrived at the conclusion that the estimate waslH > yours based on your wording.  Had you said instead "AMD estimates thatH > 64-bit compilation will increase their SPEC score by 20%" I would have? > instead asked for a pointer to a URL with that stuff in it :)e  K My recollection is that the 20% estimate for the performance improvement of/L using 64-bit over 32-bit code in Opteron came from Fred Weber at last year'sE MPF presentation.  The slides may still be available at amd.com and IeJ *think* that particular nugget was in them (though it could just have been2 reported in comp.arch as a comment made verbally).  L The context was such that it could well have meant the improvement using theH same compiler technology.  That means that any real improvement would beJ less unless someone doing a 64-bit compiler equals Intel's 32-bit compiler implementation.h   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2003 22:13:54 +0100 2 From: "Lars Holmstrm" <lars.holmstrom@flysta.net> Subject: MSA1000 vs EVA3000o( Message-ID: <3ee25592$1@news.wineasy.se>  J Can anyone share ideas, pros, cons for going for an MSA1000 or the EVA3000
 platform ?F We will try to build a multi site OVMS Cluster with GBE and FC as site inteconnect.= I am specially concerned about the shadowing for the MSA1000.  /Larse   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 08:01:40 -0400A2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - New Customer L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0706030801400001@user-105n976.dialup.mindspring.com>  A In article <3EE0C3AB.76A82F4F@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austint# <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:w    B >Given the recent performance numbers on the EV79 systems, (GS1280F >ES80,47,25,15) I would encourge them to go that route rather than the >GS160.1   Clarification:  F GS1280, ES80, and ES47 are EV7, not EV79.  EV79s aren't expected until
 next year.  H DS25 and DS15 are EV68 (like ES45).  BTW where have you seen performance numbers on DS15?  D I agree, GS160 is a poor choice these days for just about everyone. D GS1280 or a cluster of smaller systems will almost always outperform GS160.    > >I have seen a GS140 (upgraded 8400) outperform a tuned, fullyG >loaded GSG160 which was then replaced by an 8-way GS1280 and only used E >~2 out of 8 CPU's at it's peak.  So, in actuallity, that same systemoI >could have almost gotten away with using a pair of ES47's (redundancy).  @ >Granted, the GS160 is more expensive than an ES47, but if it is) >performance you want, it's a no-brainer.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 22:23:40 GMTj4 From: Craig A. Berry <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> Subject: Re: perl question@ Message-ID: <652dd8540b46003b23b7120f2970b48e@free.teranews.com>  H In <3ee25ddf$0$31550$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> Antony Wardle wrote:H > I am struggling to figure out how to remove the first character off a ) > string I am using in a pattern command.t >cH > Ideally I'd like to see if the first character is a zero, then remove  > it.s  / $ perl -e "$x='01234'; $x =~ s/^0//; print $x;"o 1234  B That says that if the contents of $x match the pattern '0' at the F beginning of the string, then substitute everything that matches with E nothing (or, in other words, remove the matching part of the string).n  C > The problem I am trying to solve is to read a whole lot of phone  F > numbers thaat are in a supplied file, then search for occurances of ' > any of these numbers in another file.   B Perl is ideal for that sort of thing.  You may find that the Perl B beginners list is a good source of help to get you started.  It's  archived atp  + http://nntp.x.perl.org/group/perl.beginnersW  B among other places.  You'll probably also want a book; one of the + O'Reilly Perl books would be a good choice.r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:43:05 +1000U From: "Antony Wardle" <DELETE_THIS_BIT_antony.wardle@DELETE_THIS_BIT_optusnet.com.au>: Subject: perl question< Message-ID: <3ee25ddf$0$31550$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>   Hi  F I have been teaching myself perl this weekend, and I have gotten a bit stuck.  L I am struggling to figure out how to remove the first character off a string It am using in a pattern command.  I Ideally I'd like to see if the first character is a zero, then remove it.M     Any sugestions?"      H The problem I am trying to solve is to read a whole lot of phone numbersH thaat are in a supplied file, then search for occurances of any of these numbersu in another file.     cheers     kiwi   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:48:47 +1000U From: "Antony Wardle" <DELETE_THIS_BIT_antony.wardle@DELETE_THIS_BIT_optusnet.com.au>r Subject: Re: perl question< Message-ID: <3ee2c054$0$26636$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>   this how my script looks now:m   if (open(MYFILE, "file")) {t            $line = <MYFILE>;   print ($line);    ( # print ("Enter the search pattern:\n");       $pattern = $line ;    ( I guess I change the above to look like:   $line=~s/^0//; $pattern = $line     sound good?t   print ($pattern);    $filename = $ARGV[0];n   $linenum = $matchcount = 0;    print ("Matches found:\n");b   while ($line = <>) {            $linenum += 1;h  #          if ($line =~ /$pattern/) {    etc.        A "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote in messagee: news:652dd8540b46003b23b7120f2970b48e@free.teranews.com...J > In <3ee25ddf$0$31550$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> Antony Wardle wrote:I > > I am struggling to figure out how to remove the first character off a0+ > > string I am using in a pattern command.  > >mI > > Ideally I'd like to see if the first character is a zero, then removes > > it.  >e1 > $ perl -e "$x='01234'; $x =~ s/^0//; print $x;"a > 1234 > C > That says that if the contents of $x match the pattern '0' at theeG > beginning of the string, then substitute everything that matches with G > nothing (or, in other words, remove the matching part of the string).a >cD > > The problem I am trying to solve is to read a whole lot of phoneG > > numbers thaat are in a supplied file, then search for occurances ofp) > > any of these numbers in another file.l >hC > Perl is ideal for that sort of thing.  You may find that the Perl C > beginners list is a good source of help to get you started.  It'st
 > archived at  >n- > http://nntp.x.perl.org/group/perl.beginners  >uC > among other places.  You'll probably also want a book; one of the - > O'Reilly Perl books would be a good choice.w   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:56:36 GMT,# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: Portents of VMS deathG Message-ID: <UYuEa.23171$3Sm.7483@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messagen# news:3EE13B0A.C3753142@istop.com...  > David Mathog wrote:m? > > It's all academic (no pun intended) anyway.  VMS is for allw; > > intents and purposes dead in academia and it would take 2 > > a really heroic effort from HP to change that. >3F > But it wouldn't hurt to make it easy for the few remaining loyalists to push:5 > VMS in their academic environment little by little.- > A > Besides, if HP doesn't do anything, it *will* lose whatever VMSh revenuC > academia generates. So giving VMS away for free would at the very. least@E > generate goodwill and students with positive attitude and knowledge> of VMS. A > And that eventually translates into hardware sales and hardwarew
 support, even  > of the software is "free".    B What you're talking about is taking a calculated risk or a leap ofD faith based on a belief in the product you are selling.  I know thatA describes most if not all OVMS Engineering but does that describer 'corporate' HP?s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 05:12:39 +0200 # From: Paul Sture <p_sture@decus.ch> " Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death( Message-ID: <3EE2C5C7.33E73573@decus.ch>   John Smith wrote:o >  > Sorry for top posting... > : > Every time I reply to a post of Kerry's, it never quotes > properly.......e >   H Ah, I have that problem with Outlook and someone I am in regular contactF with. He sends an email with fancy formatting, Outlook says "Hey, here8 is another Outlook user - let's only allow top posting!"  F Try as I might, Outlook will not let me do a properly formatted reply.  F My solution? Copy the lot into Notepad, then back again into my reply.  D For a while, Sue S. was forwarding stuff here, which came out doubleH spaced. At the time I was experiencing the same phenomenon with Lookout,F and used the Notepad trick to overcome it (and yes, of course I passed that tip on to Sue).  A For emails which don't come out well formatted, then it's time to1E transfer the offending article to my VMS workstation and use a decentA editor there :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 05:22:24 +0200e# From: Paul Sture <p_sture@decus.ch>r" Subject: Re: Portents of VMS death( Message-ID: <3EE2C810.15ACFC30@decus.ch>  
 leslie wrote:  > $ > John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote: > : Sorry for top posting... > :o< > : Every time I reply to a post of Kerry's, it never quotes > : properly.......P > : 
 > Here's why:S > : >   X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 >  > There's a free solution: > 8 >      http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ >      OE-QuoteFix > H >      http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/description.html >      Description >  >     "Description > I >      OE-QuoteFix will extend the functionality of MS Outlook Express intG >      numerous ways! Its main purpose is to modify message compositionrH >      windows on-the-fly to allow for correct quoting and to change theJ >      appearance of your plain-text replies and forwards in general: moveE >      your signature, use compressed indentation, have RFC compliant  >      signatures, etc.b >    Thanks, but...  C We are not only forbidden to download software to our PCs, but alsos' don't have the privilege to install it.o   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:13:04 +0200+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>g Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.35 Message-ID: <bbt9vj$csevk$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>p  9 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> schreef in berichti# news:3EE21558.4EF56861@istop.com...f > JK wrote: J > > I have a Microvax 3100 with a doublespeed 512byte block cd-rom player.* > > backup dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300:= > > sabkup$BKB400 is offline. Mount verification in progress.  > I > 1- this doesn't have much to do with your poroblem, for you need to use- >-. > backup/image dkb400:vms073.b/saveset dka300:  H The original poster indicated that he used standalone backup. Standalone backup uses /IMAGE by default.   >0E > 2- when you boot, do you boot VMS or standalone backup ? (I suspectr standalone backup).a ><H The device DKB400 went off line indicating some problem with the device.E Obviously it is a third party CDROM and he's running into 512B/sector A problems or  the device is not playing ball with the SCSI driver.>  F > It has been a while since I booted standalone backup, but doesn't it provideaL > you with a list of devices it has configured before giving you the ability to> > issue the backup command ? In that list, is dkb400 present ? > H > Is it possible that the 3100's ROM would allow booting from SCSI-A and SCSI-B,nF > but standalone backup would only see devices on the A bus ?  (when i	 booted myo3 > 3100 from CD, I had it hardwired into the A bus).a  ; No, SAB from the CD recognizes both SCSI buses on a VS3100.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:59:51 -0400o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3) Message-ID: <3EE2361D.51034B32@istop.com>u   Hans Vlems wrote:eJ > The device DKB400 went off line indicating some problem with the device.  I When I had a SCSI-1 disk, VMS woudl start its boot sequence, but then thenN device would go into mount verification. A power cycle of the drive would thenB fix it and the boot would continue and vMS run happily ever after.  I Perhaps a power off and power back on of the CD drive after Sa-backup hase' complained might have the same result ?o  K From what i was told, it was because VMS sent a scsi-2 command to the drivesN ,to which the drive didn't respond causing the "hang", but that would be reset% by a power cycle of the drive itself.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:32:29 -0500y1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>g Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3' Message-ID: <3EE2841D.9C48118A@fsi.net>t   JF Mezei wrote:p >  > Hans Vlems wrote:)L > > The device DKB400 went off line indicating some problem with the device. > K > When I had a SCSI-1 disk, VMS woudl start its boot sequence, but then thetP > device would go into mount verification. A power cycle of the drive would thenD > fix it and the boot would continue and vMS run happily ever after. > K > Perhaps a power off and power back on of the CD drive after Sa-backup hasl) > complained might have the same result ?-  G Saw that with early versions of the Castelwood Orb drive SCSI firmware.TF The latest version (V3) works fairly well, with some minor irritations# like spin-down after extended idle.a  M > From what i was told, it was because VMS sent a scsi-2 command to the drivegP > ,to which the drive didn't respond causing the "hang", but that would be reset' > by a power cycle of the drive itself.i  F Makes sense to me, too. Bloody inconvenient, as you either have to run5 an external CD-Rom or keep the skins off the machine.r   -- a David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/y   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jun 2003 11:20:43 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)D Subject: Re: When you don't have substance, perception is everything= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0306071020.775ce641@posting.google.com>   ^ Woland <weiland@no.spam.post.cz> wrote in message news:<CFN377787325114236@news.cup.hp.com>...G > On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 15:19:56 GMT "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:t > J > > Why does ANYONE accept *"more flexible Linux software"* at face value,) > > and not "more flexible VMS software"?r > O > Maybe because there isn't any. I like VMS and it's features, but many things iE > are just easier to setup and run under Linux (please, no flamewar).tN > The second fact is that most of available (free) software on VMS is several % > versions behind its Linux brothers.  >  > J.  : but VMS will run any unix/linux app ... all that is needed8 is a port ... so why not just write these linux apps for< vms?  Why try to reinvent the wheel and improve on something6 (vms clustering, security, uptime, real time) that you= can't (unless you use the old Bill Gates/Cutler mica scheme)?t   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 03 06:02:33 +0200s) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)oD Subject: Re: When you don't have substance, perception is everything) Message-ID: <y41WPdeRUd9o@elias.decus.ch>o  n In article <wi2Ea.17518$3Sm.14013@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 3 > "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in messagei1 > news:bbq8r5$caqkb$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de...d* >> On 06-Jun-2003 16:10, John Smith wrote: >>
 >> > [...] >> >2 >> > So you take the bait and click on the link...? >> > http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/6027359.htmR
 >> > and readkG >> > "...Take Scalix, a start-up that offers an e-mail system, based onr5 >> > cheaper and *more flexible Linux software*. ..."r >> > >> >F >> > So far we have two newspapers that have published the words "moreE >> > flexible Linux software". More flexible than what?, you begin toa> >> > wonder. And why is it that the writers and editors of the > newspaperS( >> > and newsletter use words like that? >> >
 >> > [...] >>? >> Perhaps they got the text from the very same news agency ande >> printed/mailed it unaltered?i >  > C > That, I'm sure, is it. And I knew that when I first posted. But I 2 > wasn't intending the post to be taken literally. > H > Why does ANYONE accept *"more flexible Linux software"* at face value,' > and not "more flexible VMS software"?O  E Same reason as they accept "innovation" and "Microschrott" in the sma ? sentence? I fear the answer has "marketing" in there somewhere.e   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:38:37 -0500:1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> D Subject: Re: When you don't have substance, perception is everything' Message-ID: <3EE2BDCD.C1B3610C@fsi.net>O   Paul Sture wrote:a > p > In article <wi2Ea.17518$3Sm.14013@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > >n5 > > "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message-3 > > news:bbq8r5$caqkb$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de... , > >> On 06-Jun-2003 16:10, John Smith wrote: > >> > >> > [...] > >> >4 > >> > So you take the bait and click on the link...A > >> > http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/6027359.htm  > >> > and read.I > >> > "...Take Scalix, a start-up that offers an e-mail system, based onC7 > >> > cheaper and *more flexible Linux software*. ..."  > >> > > >> >H > >> > So far we have two newspapers that have published the words "moreG > >> > flexible Linux software". More flexible than what?, you begin tol@ > >> > wonder. And why is it that the writers and editors of the
 > > newspaper3* > >> > and newsletter use words like that? > >> > > >> > [...] > >>A > >> Perhaps they got the text from the very same news agency andl! > >> printed/mailed it unaltered?o > >L > >hE > > That, I'm sure, is it. And I knew that when I first posted. But Ih4 > > wasn't intending the post to be taken literally. > >eJ > > Why does ANYONE accept *"more flexible Linux software"* at face value,) > > and not "more flexible VMS software"?e > G > Same reason as they accept "innovation" and "Microschrott" in the smacA > sentence? I fear the answer has "marketing" in there somewhere.n  H SSSHHH!!! This is VMS-land. "Marketing" is a foreign concept here... ;-)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsl http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:01:37 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"l2 Message-ID: <QnKdnS7aEKGbBH-jXTWcow@metrocast.net>  D "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message+ news:PYNDa.2068$9c3.736@news.cpqcorp.net...7   ...t     Remember that HP helped J > design the chip, it's a deep part of our strategy, and we could continue to- > do IA64 design as easily as PA-RISC design.u  I Actually, it would be kind of difficult to do either one unless you couldmK get back the hardware and compiler engineers that HP gave to Intel.  And if K that *is* a possibility, then so is getting back the Alpha team...  Nah, HP  would never want to do that.   - bill   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.315 ************************