1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 10 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 320       Contents: Re: alphaServer diagnostics # Re: AVAIL (EVENTS) Default Settings # Re: AVAIL (EVENTS) Default Settings # Re: CNN Story Not Favorable To Bush + COMPAQ S5500 Monitor on DS10 OpenVMS v7.3-1 / Re: COMPAQ S5500 Monitor on DS10 OpenVMS v7.3-1 & Re: CSWB 1.2.1 fails to display images& Re: CSWB 1.2.1 fails to display images& Re: CSWB 1.2.1 fails to display images& Re: CSWB 1.2.1 fails to display images Re: Default route $ Re: ES40 processor upgrade questions Re: Help listing SYSGEN params3 Re: Help with upgrade to VMS v7.3-1 from VMS v7.2-1 3 Re: Help with upgrade to VMS v7.3-1 from VMS v7.2-1 D Re: Hobbyist or EDU license experience with multiprocessor machines? HSZ80 / ES40 cabling question % Re: I love you Jean-Francois Mezei!!! % Re: I love you Jean-Francois Mezei!!! / RE: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way / Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way / Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way / Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way / Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way   Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMS< Re: JF Mezei "flamed, insulted, denigraded(sic)"! Poor baby!" mail to news gateways for OpenVMS?& Re: mail to news gateways for OpenVMS? Memory limitations for Process" Re: Memory limitations for Process" Re: Memory limitations for Process Re: need kbd for VAX4000/90  Re: need kbd for VAX4000/90  RE: need kbd for VAX4000/90  RE: need kbd for VAX4000/90 ' Re: OT: CNN Story Not Favorable To Bush  Performance tuning for FOCUS  RE: Performance tuning for FOCUS Re: perl question  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death   Re: Running java programs in VMS  Re: Running java programs in VMS& Re: Speed of IDE controllers in DS10 ? Re: VAX VMS 7.3 - follow up II Re: VMS SQL client Re: VMS SQL client Re: Web Apps for VMS? Will a Radeon 9000 PCI card work in the place of a Radeon 7500? # Wininet.dll (FindFirstFile) and VMS I [OT] RE: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the wo	rld ... 0 Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"0 Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 10:42:49 -0700, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)$ Subject: Re: alphaServer diagnostics< Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0306100942.ba45dd2@posting.google.com>   <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote... & > you could go to the ds10 web site at/ >   http://h18003.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/ds10/  > you can get firmware updates: C >   http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/ds10.html ( > and you can get the service tools from/ >   http://h71000.www7.hp.com/serv_support.html 9 >   http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/svctools/index.html   . Thank you for sharing that useful information.   Jim Strehlow, Data911    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 09:41:24 -0700. From: Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com (Barry Kierstein), Subject: Re: AVAIL (EVENTS) Default Settings= Message-ID: <5491ad71.0306100841.2aa7db3c@posting.google.com>    John,   D 	The values were based off of low-end Alphas, if memory serves me...E 	The whole notion of "what are the correct values for the thresholds" D is a complex one.  It depends on the expectations on the machine, do? you want to have some "reserve capacity" for unforseen workload F spikes, or run the machine flat out?  Even disks are different, as the> variation of disk drives and what they are connected to make aA difference.  So, in short, after taking to the performance people 5 here, making a template is a rather mindbending task. B 	However, there may be other ways to get at "optimum values".  OneE thing, as a first step, is to include what the observed values are in D with the event as well as the limit.  This may or may not be best inB the text of the event, but maybe other columns in the event pane. < Anyway, all the values gathered from the node as well as theC configuration data would be available.  With this could be a dialog D box from a right-mouse-click (double click brings up the node of theC event) that would present the current threshold values, the current D observed values, and an edit box for a new threshold value.  AnotherE would be to have a "this is really OK" option, and have the threshold  value adjusted accordingly. D 	The above are suggestions to more quickly change values, but as farE as the question of "what value is correct for me" kind of thing, that ? is tougher.  I remember as a customer wondering about that, and C learning as much as I could about various tuning philosophies, etc. E 	The AM team is open for suggestions on this, as setting these values & is key to making the tool work better.   Barry Kierstein    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:20:01 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon), Subject: Re: AVAIL (EVENTS) Default Settings1 Message-ID: <03061012200158@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    > Barry.Kierstein@HP.ComF > 	The values were based off of low-end Alphas, if memory serves me...  N I take that to mean AXP 800 series.  No wonder I red-line all the time with my GS160!!! ;0   G > 	The whole notion of "what are the correct values for the thresholds" F > is a complex one.  It depends on the expectations on the machine, doA > you want to have some "reserve capacity" for unforseen workload H > spikes, or run the machine flat out?  Even disks are different, as the@ > variation of disk drives and what they are connected to make aC > difference.  So, in short, after taking to the performance people 7 > here, making a template is a rather mindbending task.   + I agree - "correct" values is very complex.   O I understand that configuration, applications, type of hardware, firmware, O/S, M etc. all have their implications and play havoc with a standard.  Back in the M VAX days we had the VUP standard - which has been replaced by the SpecInt and H the likes.  Since most of these standards are out there, would it not beG possible to apply a SpecInt value to come to a default standard?  Yes I 9 understand that it is not as easy or as simple as that...   L However HP, Sun, IBM, and every other MFG is in the habit of comparing theirN hardware against each other.  Mine is bigger, better, faster, ... I believe itM is high time they start to deliver simple baselines of expectations for their M machines.  Take the VUP, now make it a DPS for Default Performance Standard.  . Go ahead and add all the disclaimers you want!  D > 	However, there may be other ways to get at "optimum values".  OneG > thing, as a first step, is to include what the observed values are in F > with the event as well as the limit.  This may or may not be best inD > the text of the event, but maybe other columns in the event pane.   O Limit.  That is the biggest "unknown" about performance.  Even discussing these O issues with my VMS rep's bring that to point.  It is always easy to compare the M performance to what you had (say an old VAX) to what you have now (a kick ass P Alpha).  It easy to measure that.  Then you also know you are pushing the limit N when users start to complain about delays or jobs that took 10 minutes now areO taking 20.  You can only blame the network for so long before they start to get * wise! ;)  Then it becomes "reaction mode".  > > Anyway, all the values gathered from the node as well as theE > configuration data would be available.  With this could be a dialog F > box from a right-mouse-click (double click brings up the node of theE > event) that would present the current threshold values, the current F > observed values, and an edit box for a new threshold value.  AnotherG > would be to have a "this is really OK" option, and have the threshold  > value adjusted accordingly.   O An automatic adjustment - based on observed work load - that would be a step in O the right direction.  That automatic adjustment could be an application outside A of the main AM with the objective to build the default templates.   N However it does not reflect the capability or limites of the machine.  And youL  are right - mindbending! - however I present to you that there are productsJ out there (collection agents, performance advisers, and capacity planners)F that seem to have an established default (of sorts) for a whole mix ofO configurations.  Not that I am saying (or wanting) AM to perform these types of O duties - just  stating that there seems to be rules-of-thumb already out there.   N Maybe the automatic adjustment is coupled with a task to task application thatP is checking its performance of file copy, IO transfer, network connection, etc. O during the automatic adjustment.  Similiar to what the TCPIP NTP stack does for  time keeping standards.   F > 	The above are suggestions to more quickly change values, but as farG > as the question of "what value is correct for me" kind of thing, that A > is tougher.  I remember as a customer wondering about that, and E > learning as much as I could about various tuning philosophies, etc. G > 	The AM team is open for suggestions on this, as setting these values ( > is key to making the tool work better.  E So I am a dreamer - wait a tick - was not the GS series touted as the  DreamMachine??? ;)      3 Call me what you will, just do not call me Shirley!    John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator $ john.brandon.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:51:15 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: CNN Story Not Favorable To Bush0 Message-ID: <00A2129C.C5C25379@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <8600a73e.0306090843.19113044@posting.google.com>, morrisj@epsilon3.com (Jay E. Morris) writes:Y >VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in message news:<00A21140.EA6CEF14@SendSpamHere.ORG>... X >> In article <SFm39CaGhFJ$@elias.decus.ch>, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes: >......  >>  J >> Why kowtowing to his revered lordship the Emperor of Redmond of course. > 2 >Then today's Userfriendly cartoon seems relevant. > 2 >http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030609  * Cartoon?  More like a factual documentary. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 07:14:02 -07006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)4 Subject: COMPAQ S5500 Monitor on DS10 OpenVMS v7.3-1= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0306100614.36770d21@posting.google.com>    Hi,   F I have a DS10 with a 3Dlabs graphics card - part number SN-PBXGF-AB. I, am trying to connect a COMPAQ S5500 monitor.  < The blue screen of console mode is fine, but when I start upB DECwindows/Motif v1.2-6 the monitor tells me that it is out of the1 frequency range, and to set the resolution lower.   < Any tips on how I can get this to work would be appreciated.   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:23:37 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>8 Subject: Re: COMPAQ S5500 Monitor on DS10 OpenVMS v7.3-1+ Message-ID: <bc4plb$tqk@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   C "Andrew Rycroft" <andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com> wrote in message 7 news:58ba0101.0306100614.36770d21@posting.google.com...   > > Any tips on how I can get this to work would be appreciated.  D RTFM: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/ek-vx1gc-ig.pdf   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:34:46 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> / Subject: Re: CSWB 1.2.1 fails to display images , Message-ID: <3EE5B431.7020903@theblakes.com>   Paul Sture wrote:   9 >> no problems with SWB V1.2.1. Before I installed it, I  7 >>had Mozilla 1.2.1 in use, which I first uninstalled.  F >>@SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA]INSTALL REMOVE and then PRODUCT REMOVE MOZILLA. >>G There is no need to uninstall Mozilla before installing SWB. Both will   exist quite happily together.   K >>Next I installed SWB and apart from a few cosmetic differences, I see no  8 >>functional differences between the two 1.2.1 flavours. >>6 There is no functional difference. There are the same.  A >Thanks. That's probably the way to go. I will note that 1.2.1 is F >definitely far faster than the previous version I tried, which was so7 >slow as to be largely unusable (debug code in there?).  > F Mozilla 1.3 has been out since the middle of March. And 1.4 should be C out within a week or so (there's already a Release Candidate build  E available from mozilla.org which is "almost" 1.4). You might want to   give 1.4 a try.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 06:39:32 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) / Subject: Re: CSWB 1.2.1 fails to display images < Message-ID: <a98cd882.0306100539.6c1b7cb@posting.google.com>  [ Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> wrote in message news:<3EE5B431.7020903@theblakes.com>...  > Paul Sture wrote:  > ; > >> no problems with SWB V1.2.1. Before I installed it, I  9 > >>had Mozilla 1.2.1 in use, which I first uninstalled.  H > >>@SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA]INSTALL REMOVE and then PRODUCT REMOVE MOZILLA. > >>I > There is no need to uninstall Mozilla before installing SWB. Both will   > exist quite happily together.  > M > >>Next I installed SWB and apart from a few cosmetic differences, I see no  : > >>functional differences between the two 1.2.1 flavours. > >>8 > There is no functional difference. There are the same. > C > >Thanks. That's probably the way to go. I will note that 1.2.1 is H > >definitely far faster than the previous version I tried, which was so9 > >slow as to be largely unusable (debug code in there?).  > > H > Mozilla 1.3 has been out since the middle of March. And 1.4 should be E > out within a week or so (there's already a Release Candidate build  G > available from mozilla.org which is "almost" 1.4). You might want to   > give 1.4 a try.     " Yes, I did try both M1.3 and B1.4.% Both complain when I try to start it:    $ @sys$common:[mozilla]mozilla Starting mozilla-bin... / %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image LIBGLIB  -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file/ SPLZ03$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][CSWB]LIBGLIB.SO;1 : -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image    : I did @INSTALL REMOVE from CSWB and @INSTALL from MOZILLA.    E I could not find anything related on bugzilla, and I could not find a % way of posting a problem on bugzilla.   6 Has anyone any suggestion as to what I am doing wrong?   TIA,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 07:09:59 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) / Subject: Re: CSWB 1.2.1 fails to display images = Message-ID: <a98cd882.0306100609.5644e803@posting.google.com>   [ Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> wrote in message news:<3EE5B431.7020903@theblakes.com>...  > Paul Sture wrote:  > ; > >> no problems with SWB V1.2.1. Before I installed it, I  9 > >>had Mozilla 1.2.1 in use, which I first uninstalled.  H > >>@SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA]INSTALL REMOVE and then PRODUCT REMOVE MOZILLA. > >>I > There is no need to uninstall Mozilla before installing SWB. Both will   > exist quite happily together.  > M > >>Next I installed SWB and apart from a few cosmetic differences, I see no  : > >>functional differences between the two 1.2.1 flavours. > >>8 > There is no functional difference. There are the same. > C > >Thanks. That's probably the way to go. I will note that 1.2.1 is H > >definitely far faster than the previous version I tried, which was so9 > >slow as to be largely unusable (debug code in there?).  > > H > Mozilla 1.3 has been out since the middle of March. And 1.4 should be E > out within a week or so (there's already a Release Candidate build  G > available from mozilla.org which is "almost" 1.4). You might want to   > give 1.4 a try.     D Just after I posted my previous message (it has not even appeared on= Google yet), I found what the problem was. At system startup, E MOZILLA$STARTUP.COM defines SYSTEM logical names for it's components. C I don't know why, because when I removed those logicals, CSWB still F worked. Anyway, I post this message using Mozilla B1.4, so it seems to work!    Thanks,   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:25:49 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG/ Subject: Re: CSWB 1.2.1 fails to display images 0 Message-ID: <00A212CB.83167174@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <3EE5B431.7020903@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes: >Paul Sture wrote: > : >>> no problems with SWB V1.2.1. Before I installed it, I 8 >>>had Mozilla 1.2.1 in use, which I first uninstalled. G >>>@SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA]INSTALL REMOVE and then PRODUCT REMOVE MOZILLA.  >>> H >There is no need to uninstall Mozilla before installing SWB. Both will  >exist quite happily together. > L >>>Next I installed SWB and apart from a few cosmetic differences, I see no 9 >>>functional differences between the two 1.2.1 flavours.  >>> 7 >There is no functional difference. There are the same.  > B >>Thanks. That's probably the way to go. I will note that 1.2.1 isG >>definitely far faster than the previous version I tried, which was so 8 >>slow as to be largely unusable (debug code in there?). >>G >Mozilla 1.3 has been out since the middle of March. And 1.4 should be  D >out within a week or so (there's already a Release Candidate build F >available from mozilla.org which is "almost" 1.4). You might want to  >give 1.4 a try.    J When will a version be available that works with HP sites -- specifically, the /DSPP pages???   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:33:15 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Default route5 Message-ID: <%QfFa.126937$lL2.1183334@news.chello.at>   f In article <3EE53FBC.B86BB38D@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: >Kees wrote:E >> I wonder if there is a functional difference in defining a default - >> route in the following two ways (example):  >>  
 >> First way: 3 >> UCX> set route /default /gateway=192.168.100.222 9 >> UCX> set route /default /gateway=192.168.100.222 /perm  >>   >> Second way:; >> UCX> set route 0.0.0.0 /gateway=192.168.100.222 /network @ >> UCX> set route 0.0.0.0 /gateway=192.168.100.222 /network/perm > D >no difference. but I would upgrade from UCX to latest VMS and TCPIP >versions...  H I second it, but I personally still use "UCX" instead of "TCPIP" becauseG of laziness typing too much characters. So, assuming an old TCPIP stack B only on the word "UCX" in above command lines fails on my site ;-)  E As you might know, TCPIP has "UCX" still defined for compatibility...    	define verb UCX 	   image TCPIP$UCP  	   parameter P1! 	      value (type=$rest_of_line)  	   noqualifiers   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:29:33 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: ES40 processor upgrade questions 5 Message-ID: <xNfFa.126906$lL2.1178147@news.chello.at>   n In article <TNaFa.109479$BA.38521936@twister.columbus.rr.com>, Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> writes: >> John Santos wrote: F >> One of my customers is investigating upgrading a pair of ES40's by ' >> adding a second processor to each.    > B >My favorite place to shop for such items is www.glcomp.com  IIRC I >KN610-AA is going for $300 plus Tru64 or OpenVMS SMP license.  Big step  H >up for 667 or 833 Mhz.  90 day warranty.  Ask for Jeff.  Tell him Jack - >sent you.  Bare ES40 500Mhz are about $5000.   ( Strange prices. Must be reseller ones...J A friend of mine bought a used ES40 with 4x500MHz and 2x512MB for a littleJ more than $2000 (yes, two thousand). Ok it was a bargain, but it happened.M And I had my hands on it and SETI running for some months. It is/was a loud & O hot & power hungry box for a hobbyist, but my SETI count went yahoo (>5000 now)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:12:59 +0200 $ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>' Subject: Re: Help listing SYSGEN params 0 Message-ID: <bc4avh$oea$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  * "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> wrote > The simple solution is to: > # > $ define /USER sys$output foo.bar  > $ mcr sysgen > SYSGEN>  SHOW /ALL > SYSGEN>  SHOW /SPECIAL > SYSGEN>   Exit > $ type foo.bar >  Even more simple:  $@TT: /output=<filename>
 _$ mcr sysgen  SYSGEN>  SHOW /ALL SYSGEN>  SHOW /SPECIAL
 SYSGEN>  Exit  _$ exit    Peter    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2003 23:00:35 -0700 6 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)< Subject: Re: Help with upgrade to VMS v7.3-1 from VMS v7.2-1= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0306092200.49a2b35a@posting.google.com>    "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058923@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>...  > > -----Original Message-----B > > From: Andrew Rycroft [mailto:andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com]  > > Sent: June 9, 2003 6:55 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < > > Subject: Help with upgrade to VMS v7.3-1 from VMS v7.2-1 > >  > >  > > Hi,  > > @ > > I am running a system with VMS v7.2-1 with DECnet Phase IV,  > > and UCX v4.2.  > > ? > > When I attempt the upgrade off the CD, it proceeds to just  = > > after the product version upgrade confirmation, and then   > > aborts with the messages :-  > > ) > > DTSS-E-NOMSG, Message Number 0295897A ) > > DTSS-E-NOMSG, Message Number 0295896A ) > > DTSS-E-NOMSG, Message Number 1295896A  > > > > > There are no DTSS files on the system, as they do not use  > > this facility. > > = > > I would be very mcuh obliged if someone can tell me what  . > > these mean, and what the remedy might be ? > > 
 > > Thanks
 > > Andrew > >  > 	 > Andrew,  > B > I found this problem documented in an internal problem database.H > However, it stated it was a problem with V7.3 (GMT5 time zone) and notB > V7.3-1. Can you confirm the CD is a V7.3-1 version and not V7.3? > A > I would recommend contacting support if this is a V7.3-1 Cdrom.  > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.# > Consulting & Integration Services  > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom/ >     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s) ! > OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM   	 Hi Kerry,   D Thank you for your response. The CD is definitely VMS v7.3-1. I will2 check the timezone information we are in GMTPLUS2.   Thanks,  Andrew   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 05:52:58 -07006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)< Subject: Re: Help with upgrade to VMS v7.3-1 from VMS v7.2-1= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0306100452.744e6e10@posting.google.com>   { andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) wrote in message news:<58ba0101.0306092200.49a2b35a@posting.google.com>...  > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in message news:<FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058923@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>...   > > > -----Original Message-----D > > > From: Andrew Rycroft [mailto:andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com]   > > > Sent: June 9, 2003 6:55 AM > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > > > Subject: Help with upgrade to VMS v7.3-1 from VMS v7.2-1 > > >  > > > 	 > > > Hi,  > > > B > > > I am running a system with VMS v7.2-1 with DECnet Phase IV,  > > > and UCX v4.2.  > > > A > > > When I attempt the upgrade off the CD, it proceeds to just  ? > > > after the product version upgrade confirmation, and then  ! > > > aborts with the messages :-  > > > + > > > DTSS-E-NOMSG, Message Number 0295897A + > > > DTSS-E-NOMSG, Message Number 0295896A + > > > DTSS-E-NOMSG, Message Number 1295896A  > > > @ > > > There are no DTSS files on the system, as they do not use  > > > this facility. > > > ? > > > I would be very mcuh obliged if someone can tell me what  0 > > > these mean, and what the remedy might be ? > > >  > > > Thanks > > > Andrew > > >  > >  > > Andrew,  > > D > > I found this problem documented in an internal problem database.J > > However, it stated it was a problem with V7.3 (GMT5 time zone) and notD > > V7.3-1. Can you confirm the CD is a V7.3-1 version and not V7.3? > > C > > I would recommend contacting support if this is a V7.3-1 Cdrom.  > >  > > Regards  > >  > > Kerry Main > > Senior Consultant   > > Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.% > > Consulting & Integration Services  > > Voice: 613-592-4660  > > Fax   : 613-591-4477  > > Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom1 > >     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s) # > > OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM  >  > Hi Kerry,  > F > Thank you for your response. The CD is definitely VMS v7.3-1. I will4 > check the timezone information we are in GMTPLUS2. > 	 > Thanks,  > Andrew     Hi,   > Just a further follow up message. The timezone was causing theC problem. I changed it from GMTPLUS2 to Zulu +02:00, and the upgrade  went through with no problems.  @ Something I will need to remember. Thank you once again for your input.   Regards  Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:01:33 +0200 + From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> M Subject: Re: Hobbyist or EDU license experience with multiprocessor machines? 5 Message-ID: <bc52tk$foct8$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   J Not sure how LMF treats somethings as advanced as a DS20 but for VAXen andI Alpha 1200/4100 systems all you need are more license points. Example: my L single cpu 5305 needs 25 A points to start VMS and 50 when the second cpu is
 installed.H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>C schreef in bericht news:00A21251.84CEA5D2@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...  > c.o.v.ers -- > L > A colleague here has a uniprocessor DS20E running as a workstation for hisL > individual use.  It came with a VMS base license, and now it's enrolled in > CSLG.  > J > He wants to add another processor.  I'm under the impression that he can switchJ > over to the EDU license, which provides a VMS base license, and run both CPUs. G > Our local CSLG guy talked to an HP CSLG guy who says you need another  license   > to 'unlock' an additional CPU. > I > The EDU license isn't in the CSLG, so I'm not convinced the HP CSLG guy  reallyL > knows what it will do.  I'm under the impression that it will work equally well) > with single or multiprocessor machines.  > K > I don't want him to order a second processor and then find out it doesn't  work; E > I don't want to pay a substantial amount extra for a VMS license he  doesn't  > need to buy. > J > Does anyone have relevant experience in running Hobbyist or EDU VMS baseK > licenses on multiprocessor machines?  If I can point at places where it's J > working, I'll feel more confident in telling my colleague to order a CPU > without a license. > 	 > Thanks,  > 	 > -- Alan  >  > --   > L ============================================================================ === 2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUA >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056G >  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA  94025  > L ============================================================================ ===  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:26:03 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> & Subject: HSZ80 / ES40 cabling question/ Message-ID: <vebn3b13p2k16a@corp.supernews.com>   5 I have 2 clustered ES40s in a cabinet running OpenVMS 7 7.1-2. Each ES40 has 2 SCSI cards.  In the cabinet next 1 to the ES40s are 2 RAID 8000/ESA12000 enclosures.   4 Each enclosure has 2 HSZ80 controllers and 14 disks,7 arranged as 7 mirrors.  Each mirror in the 2 enclosures " is also shadowed back at the host.   So, the configuration is   1 Shadow Set = 2 Mirrors   and 1 Mirror     = 2 Disks  5 The system is supposed to be wired in such a way that 8 if either ES40 is down (or crashes) no storage redudancy
 will be lost.   8 That is, all disks in both enclosures should be visible,1 available and mountable to the remaininging ES40.   9 But, what we see is that when one system is down, we lose 5 access to all  the disks in an enclosure, essentially * losing half of all our storage redundancy.  9 I think our problem is cabling between the HSZ80s and the : ES40s.  Presently, I see that both SCSI cards on each ES40: are cabled to the same enclosure (one to Controller A, the8 other to Controller B, which A and B jumpered together).    9 I've been through all the hardware documenation that came  with the RAID array:  4  STORAGEWORKS HSZ80 Array Cpntroller ACS Version 8.3?  Compaq StorageWorks UltraSCSI RAID Enclosure (DS-BA370 Series) 6  RAID8000 and EAS 12000 Storage Subsystem User's Guide%  Digital StorageWorks EK-HSXSW-WC B01   ; ...but I can't find a definitive answer for what the proper 8 cabling between the HSZs and the SCSI cards in the ES40s; should be so that I don't lose an entire array when an ES40 8 is down.  I can't even say for sure if this is possible.  9 Can anyone here point me to another DEC/Compaq/HP public- < ation that cover this?  I've already tried Ask The Wizard on the HP website, to no avail.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:39:24 +1000 2 From: "Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au>. Subject: Re: I love you Jean-Francois Mezei!!!< Message-ID: <3ee57cde$0$16256$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>  5 "Chuck Stewart" <zapkitty@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message 0 news:pan.2003.06.10.05.27.15.209381@gmx.co.uk...> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:27:58 +0800, ASHOK L. BHARWANI wrote:  C >Learn to read headers... this is sci.space.shuttle, where the real D > Alan Erskine is a respected poster and almost certainly is not the% > author of the trash you replied to.  >  > -- > Chuck Stewart C > "Anime-style catgirls: Threat? Menace? Or just studying algebra?"  >   ; Thank's for the complement - the cheque's in the mail.  :-)  -- Alan Erskine alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au Where's the WMD Mr Bush?   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 09:31:27 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>. Subject: Re: I love you Jean-Francois Mezei!!!5 Message-ID: <20030610093127.8054.qmail@gacracker.org>   7 On 9 Jun 2003, Some idiot pretenting to be Alan Erskine $ <alanerskine@optusnet.com.au> wrote:   <snip anon troll>   K To block messages originating from this remailer, filter on the Message-ID. K Most anonymous trolling comes with a Message-ID of ???@Gilgamesh-frog.org.    K DO NOT attempt to report abuse to the administrator, unless you'd like your F email address added to the headers of every message originating at his  remailer and mail2news gateway.      Doc. --  K OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.net K           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:22:26 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 8 Subject: RE: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its wayR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB05893F@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com]=20 > Sent: June 9, 2003 11:52 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : > Subject: Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way >=20 >=20 > Rob Young wrote:G > >         basically "proved" a 4-way Madison (numbers are there) will 5 > >         significantly ourperform a 4-way Opteron.  >=20B > What happens if Opteron is cheaper and you can afford 2 boxes=209 > of 4 processors compared to one box of 4-way itaniums ?  >=20   JF -=20   G One of the significant savings when doing IT Consolidation is to reduce B the overall number of servers when you have software products like/ Oracle, BEA etc that charge on a per cpu basis.   ? Oracle list is USD$40K/CPU, BEA USD$10K/CPU (on all platforms - G including Linux), and this does not include annual maint support costs. E In addition, as I recall, if you add Oracle RAC (Oracle requires when F clustering 2 or more systems) or BEA clustering then you typically add 35-50% additional cost / cpu.   G So you can see that having fewer CPU's in the overall solution can be au significant savings.   Regardsa  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantn Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicese Voice: 613-592-4660B Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)p OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:43:06 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>-8 Subject: Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way0 Message-ID: <bc4n9h$q95$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagez. > news:EjSdnUmgeu7fYXmjXTWcqg@metrocast.net... > F >>"Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote in message, >>news:IJ6Fa.2225$07.157@news.cpqcorp.net... >>8 >>>"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message/ >>>news:w9idnTnlWp1MQHmjXTWcpQ@metrocast.net...  >>> 0 >>>>>BTW - where do I buy these 1.8GHz Opterons? >>>>H >>>>A lot of places list them as out of stock or back-ordered (funny how >>>n	 >>>demanda >>> F >>>>for an exciting new product can do that), but a quick Google found >>>t > them >  >>in >>@ >>>>stock with same-day shipping from PC Progress for $862 (free >>>k > shipping). > F >>>Wow.  I think everyone should run out to buy one for their critical >> > server > H >>>needs from PC Progress.  Yup.  Sounds like a serious server system to >> > me.l > F >>>Does that $862 come with 4 processors, a serious OS implementation, >>	 >>serious  >>K >>>server applications, 32GB+ of memory, and full support (where they don'tS >>>want a VISA card?). >>I >>So when I answer your question about where you can get 1.8 GHz OpteronsQ >  > youe > E >>suddenly try to revise it to where you can get 4-processor servers?o > 	 > Perhapse > H >>Andrew is right after all:  you *do* belong in marketing - or at leastH >>somewhere where spin tactics count for more than substance.  For VMS's >  > sake > G >>I hope you're a far solider software engineer than you are a debater.- >> >  > M > In the context of this thread, I somehow got the impression we were talkingoM > about real, serious systems.  Heck, we're throwing around benchmark numbers % > like there is something to compare.o >     @ > Is this system fish or fowl?  Serious or a toy?  Production or > kick-the-tires?p >   1 Since you are making this point to Bill why don'ti. you also make the same point to Rob every time2 he trots out references to Madison based systems ?  0 Ohh sorry I forgot you want people to think that. Madison is available and you don't want people to think that Opteron is.i  1 Of course you could salvage your rather tarnishedm1 reputation by tearing Rob off a strip but somehow- I don't think you will.0   Regards9 Andrew Harrisonm   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:46:50 +0100aO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>o8 Subject: Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way0 Message-ID: <bc4ngi$qc1$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:J > The reference I believe was made to some German website, which published > some SAP numbers.  >   3 Ohh dear ohh dear, not only are you not tearing Robs1 off a strip for preannouncing Madison but you aree now supporting his argument.  1 Nice footwork Fred, you should be in marketing ifr you arn't allready.a   Regards  Andrew Harrisone > 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagek. > news:KC2dnaoVJ_JkcHmjXTWcpA@metrocast.net... > : >>"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ >>news:jVWnSF$8pSfK@eisner.encompasserve.org...  >>A >>>In article <qy-dnWKoZYg8VHmjXTWcqA@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"n >>" >><billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >>< >>>>"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 >>>>news:w13OdyNAPfDh@eisner.encompasserve.org...i >>>> >>>>...a >>>>% >>>>  IA64 will run most applicationsi >>>> >>>>>faster than Opteron.n >>>>H >>>>Out-perform Opteron in commercial applications?  When would that be, >>>d >>Rob? >>@ >>>Today.  You are well aware of the 4 processor Madison results@ >>>for tpmC, SAP numbers for Madison, you are just being cheeky. >>0 >>Where can I buy a Madison system "today", Rob? >>G >>And while I'm certainly aware of the situation w.r.t. TPC-C, I wasn'td >  > awarea > I >>(or possibly had forgotten) that SAP numbers were available for Opterona( >>systems:  can you provide a reference? >> >>J >>>>It certainly doesn't today (the 1.8 GHz Opteron *far* out-performs the >>>  > 1y >  >>GHzt >>I >>>>Itanic in all integer benchmarks and the SPECweb99_SSL benchmark, anda >>>u >>nearly >>; >>>>equals it in TPC-C despite using only 2/3 as much RAM).u >>>>E >>>>It won't tomorrow:  the 1.8 GHz Opteron already beats the 1.5 GHz6 >>>l > Itanic >  >>>>(Madison) in SPECweb99_SSL >>>e3 >>>And that is it.  My premise is based on Madison.m >>) >>So is the comparison immediately above.  >> >>  Madison shipsh >>8 >>>month-end.  4-CPU Opteron's aren't even shipping yet. >>I >>So Madison ships June 30 and the 4-processor Opteron ships in July:  dot >  > youi > # >>really consider that significant?e >> >>  You arep >>+ >>>comparing futures to old shipping boxes.t >>B >>Not in the SPECint and SPECint_rates areas I'm not:  single- andJ >>dual-processor Opteron systems are shipping *today* (and have been sinceA >>April) and handlily beat the Itanics that are shipping *today*.t >> >>  At least compare >>7 >>>Opteron to Madison, they both ship at the same time.n >>F >>No, as I just noted Opterons are shipping today (and have been since > 	 > April).  > G >>It's just the 4-processor models that won't ship until next month (by  >  > whicht > F >>time the 2 GHz Opterons are also scheduled to appear, last I heard). >> >>...t >> >>' >>>2 GHz Opterons surely near year-end?t >>H >>Not according to the last AMD plans I heard:  they were scheduled thisL >>month, with 2.2 GHz in late summer and at least 2.4 GHz before year's end.K >>And if the 2 GHz model does appear as planned (with its voltage *reduced*  >  > to > B >>1.45 v. due to improvements in the process), then the continuing >  > clock-rate > ! >>increases seem very believable.  >> >>  After all, SPEC run rulesr >>F >>>allow a 90 day delay on hardware shipping.  The numbers at SPEC areB >>>for 1.8 GHz Opterons and posted in April, if a 2 GHz part shows6 >>>up in July, AMD would see 2 GHz part numbers there. >>H >>I guess the same reasoning indicates that we won't see Madison systems >  > much > I >>before year's end either, since they don't have SPECint/fp/rates scores 
 >>posted yet.i >> >>I >>>>may maintain a lead in TPC-C due to supporting twice as much RAM, butV >>>p >>that's >>I >>>>only relevant for installations that will be using more than 32 GB ofs >>>  >>RAM) >>? >>>>(Opteron's current limit in the 4-processor configuration).  >>>  >>>l< >>>Are there really a ton of buffer cache misses and that is7 >>>the limiting factor on RackServer's tmpC number ;-)?i >>K >>The effect of RAM on TPC-C score is reasonably easy to demonstrate if youeC >>compare scores for otherwise similar systems.  In one case of twotH >>near-identical systems, for example, quadrupling the RAM increased the >  > score  > F >>by 26% - and one might suspect that more of that came from the firstH >>doubling than from the second (since as in most testing situations you >  > reach  > F >>a point of diminishing returns - removing one bottleneck just causesI >>something else to become the bottleneck).  Also factor in the scheduledu >  > 11%a > L >>Opteron clock-rate increase and Madison's lead shrinks from substantial to >>merely noticeable. >>H >>Of course, there's also the question of whether a hardware vendor likeL >>RackSaver has *quite* the same level of TPC-C tuning expertise that HP hasG >>in setting up its test configurations:  after all, HP just managed toe >  > raiseb > D >>its 64-processor Madison score by about 10% without changing *any* > 
 > hardware >  >>or software. >> >>I >>>Knocking out 50% of of the memory in Itanium's tmpC 4 processor config ? >>>would knock it back 50% and bring it even with Opteron?  No.A >>K >>Correct:  it would knock it back more like 15%, to around 103K tpmC.  And-H >>the 11% Opteron clock-rate increase would bump the Opteron score up toL >>around 90K tpmC.  A noticeable difference, as I said, but hardly dramatic. >> >>...e >> >>? >>>You are hanging in a gray area, as Opteron is obviously lesst> >>>powerful and there isn't an apples to apples tpmC comparson
 >>>out there.a >>F >>You're the one who said "IA64 will run most applications faster thanJ >>Opteron", Rob:  I'm just demonstrating how full of shit you were.  TPC-C >  > is > K >>*one* application (or at least benchmark) where Madison may hold a modest K >>lead unless Opteron's clock rates ramp up faster than Madison's do (whichs& >>last I knew they were projected to). >> >>I >>>>And not only is the 130 nm Opteron is scheduled to increase its clock  >>>d >>rate >>H >>>>at least as fast as the 130 nm Madison does but Opteron is scheduled >>>  > to >  >>move >>G >>>>to a 90 nm process within the next year, whereas Itanic isn't until- >>>- >>2005.- >>I >>>>So I guess your use of 'will' in your assertion must have referred tou >>>: >>2006 >>J >>>>or later - sufficiently far in the future that making predictions (let >>>a >>alone6 >>H >>>>flat assertions) about their relative performance at that time seems >>>) >>just a >> >>>>tad silly. >>>> >>>t, >>>No.  Opteron is faster at SSL.  Big deal. >>K >>Since it's the only apples-to-apples benchmark we've got so far comparing ) >>Opteron to Madison, one might think so.y >> >>  Certainly isn't faster >> >>>at Spec,  >>H >>Madison numbers, please?  And for that matter 2 GHz Opteron numbers as >  > well.. >  >>>nor tpmCc >>H >>That one I suspect you'll turn out to be right about - for the moment. >> >>! >>>, nor SAP in a July timeframe.1 >> >>Opteron numbers, please? >> >>- bill >> >> >> >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:54:42 +01000O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 8 Subject: Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way0 Message-ID: <bc4nva$qh0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rick Jones wrote: + > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:t > B >>It won't tomorrow: the 1.8 GHz Opteron already beats the 1.5 GHz$ >>Itanic (Madison) in SPECweb99_SSL, >  > E > The published four-CPU configuration with 1.8 GHz Opteron beats the D > published four-CPU configuration of the 1.5GHz Itanium 2 6M in the@ > rx5670.  The published two-CPU configuration does not beat the0 > published two-CPU configuration of the rx2600. >   - I would find that very alarming if I was you.o  2 HP custom IA-64 chipset apparently for scalability0 and performance exhibits scalability thats worse0 than Opteron, doesn't sound like the R&D dollars# are delivering a marketing benefit.    Regardse Andrew Harrison0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:52:25 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>d8 Subject: Re: Intel 64 bit Pentium seems to be on its way0 Message-ID: <bc4rbg$rnv$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > An interesting mixture of vapor, new, and old to come to the conclusion you@ > want.. >   B Humm, 20% is what AMD have claimed and their "claims" for Opterons5 32 bit performance were pretty much bang on the nail.s  6 And to be frank you don't get to call any of the other3 points vapour, new or old with your track record ort5 obvious inability to challenge the points themselves.   6 Still the master of the meaningless bulletpoint though
 arn't you.   regardsm Andrew Harrison    > M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:bbnmfb$aqg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...r >  >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>? >>>"Milton" <mbhewitt.SPAMBLOCK@optonline.net> wrote in messageI5 >>>news:pfasdvkteps2ktqh2hpdma8qij3hp3f9c4@4ax.com...d >>>c >>>n7 >>>>On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:37:07 GMT, "Fred Kleinsorge" , >>>><my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>How about Cray, Inc? >>>> >>>e >>>dN > http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~56268,00.h >  >>>tml >>>- >>>-I >>>>Kinda shoots the shit outta yer argument that Opteron is *only* a 2-4@ >>>>way server chip  >>>> >>>R >>>WG >>>Not really.  Depends on what you call a "Supercomputer".  We've beenb >>	 > selling. > D >>>"Supercomputers" based on ES40's with quadrics switches.  One can >>	 > surmisee > J >>>that "10,000" CPU's aren't going to be in one box.  So this is really aF >>>loosely coupled Linux "Supercomputer" good for distributed parallelG >>>computing.  Frankly, IA64 would have been a better choice - since itO >> > blows  > H >>>Opteron away for FP performance - which is what the referenced system >> > really > 	 >>>needs.  >>>  >>A >>BS currently the 1.8 GHZ Opteron does 1219 SPECfp compared witheH >>1431 for Itanium II. 17% faster isn't blowing anyone out of the water. >>C >>Once you get to SPECratefp numbers then the differential vanishesTD >>almost entirely (we are after all talking about servers here) 49.32 >>for a 4 way Itanium 2, 49.2 for a 4 way Opteron. >>@ >>It would appear that your jibe about Opterons sweet spot being? >>4 CPU's is better applied to Itanium which currently based on.> >>the benchmark you chose SPECfp has a sweet spot of 1-2 CPU's >>I >>Both Opteron numbers are based on the 32bit Intel compiler, performancemJ >>will improve with the 64bit compilers. 20% would be a reasonable initial >>estimate.  >>E >>Cray will not be shipping 32 bit systems and they are probably moreaE >>interested in the fact that you can get a configured Opteron systemAE >>for 1/6th of the price of a configured IA-64 that and the fact thatED >>Opteron has much much better thermal characteristics than IA-64 atB >>50% of IA-64, building a system with 10,000 130 watt CPU's makesC >>much less sense than building a system with 10,000 70 watt CPU's.g >>@ >>You should follow the advice I have been giving Bob, don't hitB >>the send button until you are sure you know what you are talking >>about. >>	 >>regards0 >>Andrew Harrisona >>I >>>The chip itself isn't designed to scale above 8 processors, and really  >> > hasD > I >>>the sweet spot set at 4.  Is it possible to design a set of core logicl >> > andr > H >>>marry this chip to a system with lot's of processors?  Yup.  But that >> > isn't  >  >>>it's design.2 >>>e >> >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:40:55 +0200S! From: "Tim" <tim_a_b@hotmail.com>n) Subject: Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMSr/ Message-ID: <vebv045efstoa0@corp.supernews.com>n   Hi all,   L I have written a socket program in Java for our VMS box. Basically it allowsF a client to open a socket from another machine and instruct the server socket to run ".com" files.r  2 Unfortunately, when I try to call a com file using-     Runtime.getRuntime().exec("showlogiris");e I get the following error:@     java.io.IOException: Child creation error: exec format error  H The showlogiris.com file is in the same directory as the java class thatI opens the server socket and I have verified that the showlogiris.com fileu/ works ok by running it from the command prompt.y  L I have followed the instructions in the following web-page, but to no avail:v http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/documentation/1.4.1/ovms/docs/release_notes.html#UsingtheRuntimeexeMethodonOpenVMSAlpha  J I am using jdk1.1.8, which is very old, but the Runtime class has not been> changed since 1.0, so that should not be a problem, should it?  < If anybody can help me on this one I would be very grateful,  
 Kind regards,o   Tim    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:08:43 +0200  From: Anders <dud@nilsson.com>E Subject: Re: JF Mezei "flamed, insulted, denigraded(sic)"! Poor baby!e' Message-ID: <3EE5D85B.2911@nilsson.com>d   Jarod wrote: >  > Coq-Ombre1 >  > JarodS  
 Coq au vin   /Anderst       > : > "Poor Baby JF" <poor@baby.jf> a crit dans le message de5 > news:YM7FVA7V37780.9603703704@Gilgamesh-frog.org...h/ > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:z > >1N > > >> > Lighten up man.  I had a smiley after that comment.  It was a poke at > your > > >> > politics anyway.  > > >T? > > >I have been flamed, insulted, denigraded enough on the netw > >  > > Oh you poor baby!g > >.L > > Don't worry, your mommy will be along any minute now to take your rectalD > > temperature and give you your suppository so you'll feel better. > >e > >    -- t7 Remove the obvious part before replying by mail please!t   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 12:18:43 -0500+ From: wb8tyw@qsl.network (John E. Malmberg)i+ Subject: mail to news gateways for OpenVMS?(3 Message-ID: <qP624SeDpIqb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J I am looking for information on bidirectional news to e-mail gateways that will run on OpenVMS.  E What I need is something that can be used to gate a newsgroup that is C being heavily spammed in to a mailing list that would be spam free.e  6 Naturally I do not want the spam to be passed through.  - So idealy the gateway could do the following:b  : Pass through newsgroup posters that are known to be valid.  L Pass through newsgroup posters that put a special codeword in their message.  C Reject postings that the I.P. address of an open proxy was found intI the headers, or in certain DNSbls, or from news servers that allow abuse.a  = Allow some customization of blocking based on header content.B  F Optionally flag unknown posters for moderator aproval before relaying.  K Open source prefered - This is a hobby operation so the price must be free.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:38:34 +02002$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>/ Subject: Re: mail to news gateways for OpenVMS?>5 Message-ID: <bc557v$fphe3$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>r  - On 10-Jun-2003 19:18, John E. Malmberg wrote:0  L > I am looking for information on bidirectional news to e-mail gateways that > will run on OpenVMS.  ? What about contacting Mark Berryman, the "owner" of "Info-VAX"?I! (Perhaps he will jump in anyway.)m   > G > What I need is something that can be used to gate a newsgroup that isvE > being heavily spammed in to a mailing list that would be spam free.C >  > [...]n > M > Open source prefered - This is a hobby operation so the price must be free.1  H Some time ago (prior to "subscribing" to Info-VAX) I had sent a mail and got this automatic reply:   T > The following message was submitted to the Info-VAX mailing list from the address:- > "Michael Unger" <unger (at) decus (dot) de>- > T > but there is no Info-VAX subscription matching that address.  Info-VAX is a closedY > mailing list meaning that it only accepts submissions from subscribers.  If you wish toDi > subscribe to Info-VAX, send a message to Info-VAX-request (at) mvb (dot) saic (dot) com with the singlemW > word HELP in the body of the message.  Instructions will be returned to you on how toc > subscribe. >  > Mark Berryman * > Mark (dot) Berryman (at) [same as above] > Info-VAX administrator  % [slightly edited for obvious reasons]s  < I don't know any specifics of the program used for Info-VAX.   MichaelM   -- s  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)b   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:31:53 +0530y5 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com>.' Subject: Memory limitations for Processn/ Message-ID: <veb3v1e8434333@corp.supernews.com>e   Hi All,x  L I have few queries regarding the parameters associated with processes on VMSL systems. I would like to know if there is any limitations on memory usage ofJ the process running on VMS system. If yes, then how do I know it. How do I? know the memory usage of the process and available free memory.:  L If there is any limitations on the memory usage of the process then how do I increase this memory size.  + Any help in this regard is most appreciatedv   Thanks Sandeepu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 04:45:48 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>+ Subject: Re: Memory limitations for Processt) Message-ID: <3EE59A79.B767FF35@istop.com>    Sandeep Yelwatkar wrote:N > systems. I would like to know if there is any limitations on memory usage of$ > the process running on VMS system.  $ Yes, and it is rather sophisticated.  < The account definition (in Authorize) contains 3 parameters:   Working Set Defaultg Working Set Maximumo Working Set Extent  L If the system isn't busy, you're allowed to go to WSEXTENT, otherwise you're limited to WSMAX.   B These 3 are limited systemwide in SYSGEN with the WSMAX parameter.  N Also, from your application point of view, the PGFILQUO paramegtr in AuthorizeM is very important. This limits how much space in the disk-based pagefile your K process can take. It essentially defines the memory space for your process. A The WS*** parameters define how much of that space can be in RAM.V   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:20:54 GMTt- From: "labadie" <tonari_no_tottoro@127.0.0.1>t+ Subject: Re: Memory limitations for Processf1 Message-ID: <G2kFa.2266$XF.1917@news.cpqcorp.net>:  @ "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> wrote in message) news:veb3v1e8434333@corp.supernews.com...M > 	 > Hi All,b >1J > I have few queries regarding the parameters associated with processes on VMS K > systems. I would like to know if there is any limitations on memory usagem ofL > the process running on VMS system. If yes, then how do I know it. How do IA > know the memory usage of the process and available free memory.n > L > If there is any limitations on the memory usage of the process then how do I  > increase this memory size. > - > Any help in this regard is most appreciatedV >? > Thanks	 > Sandeepm >  >t   Hellop  + You should use Amds or Availman to see this > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/index.html   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:01:16 -0700 & From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>$ Subject: Re: need kbd for VAX4000/90' Message-ID: <3EE5661C.90004@sunset.net>i   Where are you located?2 I may have a few such things in the junk drawer...   TomC   Tom Linden wrote:a2 > Well, sometimes you get sloppy;-(  Lost an LK2015 > anybody got a spare or anything that will work with8= > this VAX?  It has that small (handset?) modular style jack.  >  > I think 401s work too. >  >  > ---f( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/2003 >    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 07:57:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a$ Subject: Re: need kbd for VAX4000/903 Message-ID: <yL8gRj46fobi@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPAHFAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:M2 > Well, sometimes you get sloppy;-(  Lost an LK2015 > anybody got a spare or anything that will work with = > this VAX?  It has that small (handset?) modular style jack.h >  > I think 401s work too.  A    I know where you can buy some, cheap.  What part of the globe?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:21:35 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: RE: need kbd for VAX4000/909 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPMHFAA.tom@kednos.com>    Pebble Beach CAe   >-----Original Message----- C >From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] % >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:57 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% >Subject: Re: need kbd for VAX4000/90n >n >h@ >In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPAHFAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom ! >Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: 3 >> Well, sometimes you get sloppy;-(  Lost an LK201d6 >> anybody got a spare or anything that will work with> >> this VAX?  It has that small (handset?) modular style jack. >>   >> I think 401s work too.? > B >   I know where you can buy some, cheap.  What part of the globe? >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).sA >Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/2003  >1 ----& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 12:29:42 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n$ Subject: RE: need kbd for VAX4000/903 Message-ID: <$4pXdOOt5Nwz@eisner.encompasserve.org>I  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEPMHFAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:h > Pebble Beach CAr > D >>From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] >>C >>   I know where you can buy some, cheap.  What part of the globe?m  B    I suspect they wouldn't be cheap if you had to include airfare.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 07:43:12 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t0 Subject: Re: OT: CNN Story Not Favorable To Bush3 Message-ID: <zdTg9IgdspeJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  _ In article <veCcnbvZyp0RU3mjXTWcqQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > J > That's technically correct, when you consider the world as a whole:  theJ > general perception was that there was no pressing need to remove him *at > all*..  :   The world is free to disagree.  Freedom is a good thing.  M > But in the more limited (in multiple meanings) context of the good ol' U.S. L > of A., the vigorously-asserted presence of WMD *and the imminent threat ofJ > their use in large quantities* was very definitely the rationale used toK > sell a somewhat dubious public on the need for going to war *right then*,l? > rather than allowing the U.N. inspection process to continue.'  H    Not entirely relavent since no one believed those claims at the time.H    We can hardly be expected to hold our breath waiting for something we    didn't believe in.t  N > Of course, now that the imminence of such a threat is becoming more and moreC > ludicrous (and more and more information is coming out of various K > intelligence agencies indicating that it was highly questionable *before* M > the war as well), Dubya and friends are back-pedaling furiously and seekingnL > other rationalizations for why they should not be treated as internationalN > criminals.  And a lot of 'Muricans seem to be buying it, God bless 'em - butK > the Brits appear at least a bit less ready to be as cynically manipulated ( > after the fact as they were before it.  A    The Brits are not and never were the only ones who saw cynicalsC    manipulation.  They do happend to be the most vocal in making a oF    political fight over it right now.  I expect to here more from the G    US Democracts as 2004 nears.  The Brits don't have to wait that long=K    since they can call for an election any time.  In the meantime I expect  H    GWB's real economic plan:  cheap oil, to come on too late to fix the     economic mess he's made.i  E    You can't expect Americans to get all fussed up and righteous whenkH    the administraion of the oil men, for the oil men, and by the oil men&    does exactly as poorly as expected.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:59:38 -0500s( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)% Subject: Performance tuning for FOCUS.1 Message-ID: <03061010593830@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>d  I I have a couple of questions for those of you that are FOCUS power users.a   1) Who owns/supports FOCUS?h  - 2) Where can I find the documentation for it?a  M 3) (more importantly) Is there any "in general" performance enhancements thathO can be made?  Such as configuration, account settings, extracts, RMS buffering,o etc.   Thanks in advance!      3 Call me what you will, just do not call me Shirley!    John Brandon VMS Systems Administrators$ john.brandon.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:22:09 -0400h' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>S) Subject: RE: Performance tuning for FOCUSeR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058944@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: John Brandon [mailto:brandon@dalsemi.com]=20 > Sent: June 10, 2003 12:00 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn' > Subject: Performance tuning for FOCUS  >=20 >=20A > I have a couple of questions for those of you that are FOCUS=20G > power users. >=20 > 1) Who owns/supports FOCUS?t >=20/ > 2) Where can I find the documentation for it?  >=20@ > 3) (more importantly) Is there any "in general" performance=20; > enhancements that can be made?  Such as configuration,=20a1 > account settings, extracts, RMS buffering, etc.n >=20 > Thanks in advance! >=20 >=20 >=205 > Call me what you will, just do not call me Shirley!T >=20 > John Brandon > VMS Systems Administrator-& > john.brandon.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com >=20 John::  ( Re: FOCUS and who owns / supports etc ..  
 Check out:? http://www.informationbuilders.com/products/focus/overview.htmlD+ http://techsupport.informationbuilders.com/m   Regardsu  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantw Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services. Voice: 613-592-46600 Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)w OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:59:45 -0400o! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>t Subject: Re: perl question' Message-ID: <3EE5D641.D5D2613A@vcu.edu>e   Chris Olive wrote: >   G >   There are things in DCL I miss in Perl, and many things in Perl notkC > possible in DCL, but again, I found that the way I programmed and-3 > "thought" in DCL to transfer easily over to Perl.m > = > (I wonder if anyone else here is of the same sentiment...?)v >   ? I am... of course my mind is still trying to assimilate regularc expressions, but it isC quite a language.. that's where I got that Larry Wall quote a whilee back...    jim    --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2003 23:02:57 -0700e. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death= Message-ID: <7500353b.0306092202.4afd8559@posting.google.com>g  e Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message news:<3EE510A4.2070405@tg.nsw.gov.au>...  > Tsk, Tsk wrote:/ > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > > P > >>Come on.  The "analysts" here in c.o.v. seldom disclose their names, or what1 > >>their financial interest is in spreading FUD.0 > >  > > L > > I would say that the majority of the pundits here have real names. Those+ > > without fake names are in the minority.E >  > This does not make sense.i > K > I would assume that everyone here has a real name whether they use it or i > not. > D > I disagree with both writers in that I think the majority on this J > newsgroup/mailing list -- "pundits" or "analysts" or whatever -- do use K > their real names, even to the extent of accepting abuse.  There are only rH > a handful of *real* contributors here who do not use their real names J > and "John Smith" has explained his own reasons and those might apply to J > others in this handful.  Apart from this handful, the other posters who ( > use the cloak of anonimity are trolls. >   E Now, how do you define a real name ? If you write down something elseoB than John Smith, picking it from telephony directory and put it toE hotmail or set up a website for it, does it mean its a real name ? Or F if you steal an address from 'net ? How does one prove its correct one ?n  E In my view the anyonymous name is to protect its owner from spam. NotsF that I would not trust you guys/gals :) But robots scan the usenet andF find new spam targets and less you give up your real name and address,* the less spam you have. As simple as that.  F Other reasons may be organizational, but as for me, I am not employeed? by CPU manufacturers or vendors. I am not an analyst or venture6A capitalist. I have no monetaory or other benefits of nailing down B Itanium, VMS, Athlon 64/Opteron etc. I hold no stakes or shares on@ AMD, Intel or other computer companies nor do I work for one. As* usual, you have to take my word on this :)  F My motives are to observe the market as I have in the past 25 years inE this business and point out things and see other people's opinions onu> these and expand my visions. Would I reveal myself, I would be> targeted on all the nasty downsides of communication, spam andD personal attacks, so I would like to remain in my insignificant mist :)   Mist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:18:19 GMT"* From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com>& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death? Message-ID: <f0kFa.636886$Si4.578197@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>    mist dragon wrote:  H > My motives are to observe the market as I have in the past 25 years inG > this business and point out things and see other people's opinions onu@ > these and expand my visions. Would I reveal myself, I would be@ > targeted on all the nasty downsides of communication, spam andF > personal attacks, so I would like to remain in my insignificant mist  K As far as I'm concerned, the credibility that one loses by using a "handle"o# is not worth the reduction in spam.o  4 You can use your "real" name and munge your address.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 09:16:51 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) & Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306100816.8b1fecf@posting.google.com>  [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3EE53A46.6D06D9F3@istop.com>...iK > However, with the "threat" of Intel also producing a 64 bit 8086, the big O > question now becomes: if Intel produces a 64 bit version of the 8086, will ityO > be binary compatible with AMD's version ? If not, than AMD will be in troubletH > because it will have to change its Opteron to match the Intel chip for > binary compatibility.t  @ Intel has stated its 64-bit direction, and it's IA64.  If AMD isA smart, they probably have some engineers in a back room somewheree@ figuring out how they could do a microprocessor with the ItaniumB intruction set, in the event Intel wins in the 64-bit marketplace.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:56:20 +0200 ! From: "Tim" <tim_a_b@hotmail.com>e) Subject: Re: Running java programs in VMSu/ Message-ID: <veb79o3b4592bf@corp.supernews.com>   J I thought I had solved it - when I got the class bak to my Windows machineE using FTP, its filename was all lower case, rather than 'camel case'.H  L So I renamed the file to be in the same case as the class name, but it still cannot find the class.  ' Below is the output that you asked for:o  ' 1CIO5::IRIS>@sys$manager:java$setup.comi4 Setting up symbols for foreign command line usage...% JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS now set to: -1e 1CIO5::IRIS>show log *classpath    (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)e  ;   "CLASSPATH" = "/sys$common/java/lib/JDK118_CLASSES.ZIP:."h   (LNM$JOB_82124A00)   (LNM$GROUP_004300)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)% 1CIO5::IRIS>javac "BTIrisServer.java" " 1CIO5::IRIS>dir btirisserver.class   Directory IRIS:[SRC]  ? BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;9                 5  10-JUN-2003 09:26:52.63w? BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;8                 6  10-JUN-2003 08:47:27.88 ? BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;7                 6  10-JUN-2003 08:47:18.06>? BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;6                 5  10-JUN-2003 08:44:13.58 ? BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;5                 6  10-JUN-2003 08:40:34.44t? BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;4                 5   6-JUN-2003 16:55:38.98s? BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;3                 5   6-JUN-2003 16:55:29.09s? BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;2                 5   6-JUN-2003 16:47:54.95i? BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;1                 5   5-JUN-2003 09:38:23.55    Total of 9 files, 48 blocks. 1CIO5::IRIS>java "BTIrisServer"> Can't find class BTIrisServerl     Many thanksp   Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:32:41 +0200c! From: "Tim" <tim_a_b@hotmail.com>i) Subject: Re: Running java programs in VMS'/ Message-ID: <veb9drr55t42a1@corp.supernews.com>I   Hi all,   H I have got it to work by changing the class name to be all lower case. IL know that this is not how we are supposed to name java classes, but at least it is working now.  + Thankyou all for your help and suggestions.   
 Kind regards,t   Tim.    , "Tim" <tim_a_b@hotmail.com> wrote in message) news:veb79o3b4592bf@corp.supernews.com... L > I thought I had solved it - when I got the class bak to my Windows machineG > using FTP, its filename was all lower case, rather than 'camel case'.n > H > So I renamed the file to be in the same case as the class name, but it still  > cannot find the class. > ) > Below is the output that you asked for:i > ) > 1CIO5::IRIS>@sys$manager:java$setup.coma6 > Setting up symbols for foreign command line usage...' > JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS now set to: -1y! > 1CIO5::IRIS>show log *classpathn >e > (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)> >>= >   "CLASSPATH" = "/sys$common/java/lib/JDK118_CLASSES.ZIP:."> >> > (LNM$JOB_82124A00) >E > (LNM$GROUP_004300) >  > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >e > (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE) >p > (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)' > 1CIO5::IRIS>javac "BTIrisServer.java"I$ > 1CIO5::IRIS>dir btirisserver.class >> > Directory IRIS:[SRC] >OA > BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;9                 5  10-JUN-2003 09:26:52.63IA > BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;8                 6  10-JUN-2003 08:47:27.88 A > BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;7                 6  10-JUN-2003 08:47:18.06tA > BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;6                 5  10-JUN-2003 08:44:13.58 A > BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;5                 6  10-JUN-2003 08:40:34.44GA > BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;4                 5   6-JUN-2003 16:55:38.98 A > BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;3                 5   6-JUN-2003 16:55:29.09 A > BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;2                 5   6-JUN-2003 16:47:54.95eA > BTIRISSERVER.CLASS;1                 5   5-JUN-2003 09:38:23.55  >  > Total of 9 files, 48 blocks.! > 1CIO5::IRIS>java "BTIrisServer"t > Can't find class BTIrisServern >a > 
 > Many thanksv >e > Tim. >  >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:48:58 +0200T From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>/ Subject: Re: Speed of IDE controllers in DS10 ?a2 Message-ID: <bc3rpm$u78$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Bob Ceculski wrote:uZ > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<bc2ef4$j6h$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>... >  >>Mmmmmmmmm..... >>S >>The original disk in this DS10 was a 5400rpm 10GB Seagate. Now, I'm sure that is lQ >>a slow disk. I'm now using a 7200rpm 80GB Western Digital disk with 8MB cache, yQ >>and I really can't complain about the speed. I can compare it with my previous >P >>PWS500 with SCSI, and the disk IO on this machine is certainly not slower, on  >>the contrary!  >  > 8 > previous scsi what?  scsi, scsi2, ultra ... which one?  L The 'standard' Qlogic UW SCSI controller, with a Fujitsu 7200rpm 18GB drive.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:03:21 +0100s! From: "JK" <jansen7500@zonnet.nl>r' Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.3 - follow up IIi1 Message-ID: <1055232977.165913@tbird.introweb.nl>%  	 Hi y'all,g   This time some good news:c  " * Booting from a VMS 6.1 CD works.C    Restoring a save set is also working with the following command: 7    backup /image dkb400:[000000]vms061.b/saveset dka300e  L From the 6.1 installation I copied the VMS 7.3 savesets and other files to a spare disk. 2 I did not invent this myself, it was mailed to me) (o mount/over=id dkb400 mount/over=id dkb200* copy dkb400:[000000]VMS*.% dkb200:[000000]+ copy dkb400:[000000]DECW*.% dkb200:[000000]i )   L I did not try this from a 'standalone' VMS environment (root 1) booting from v6.1.i$ But I guess that it will work too...  G ** Booting VMS 7.3 from cd and restoring image from disk DOES NOT work.eJ      Before starting the backup it still tries to mount the cdrom first...'      (does it load backup from the cd?)y  J I will try the command shown below (as suggested in the group) from my 6.1 installation. $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL VMS073 dkb200:[000000]  B Does the command do an upgrade or can I perform a 'clean' install?  G I made a mistake choosing the scs nodename, can I correct this with theo upgrade?6 Or should I change it using commands before upgrading?  @ I would like to thank all of you in helping me getting started !   Regards,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:04:41 +0100>0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: VMS SQL cliente4 Message-ID: <bc4ohp$dca$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>   Craig A. Berry wrote: 4 >  Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:! >>Tried various things - no luck.u1 >>I should make it clear that I've never used SQLi > D > Never used Structured Query Language, or never used Microsoft SQL 	 > Server?    Both - just lucky I guess.  H >>Installed the bundled Attunity stuff - could find no documentation on K >>how to use it - not sure whether it does what I want (use MS SQL data in a >>my VMS application). > C > I'm pretty sure you have to buy middleware for the NT server and e0 > possibly also additional stuff on the VMS side   I was afraid of that.6  I >>freedts.org: got freetds-0.6.1 and the vms bits out of freetds-current.lA >>Got a lot of MMS warnings (1 for most modules), which I didn't e2 >>understand, followed by linker warnings (below). > F > Hmm. I tried this again myself and had no problems.  However, I was G > using MMK rather than MMS.  If you have MMK or can get it try that.  nH > Meanwhile I'll try to reproduce the issue with MMS and see if there's & > something that can be done about it.  $ Built OK with MMK/macro=tdsver=tds80= Using MMS 3.4-3 & VMS 7.3, verified your reproducer - thanks.tH Can't send it to hp support at present, despite having a contract - the C website reports "error - try again later", and support@hp.com just   bounces. I'll keep trying.   Check appeared to mostly fail: $ mmk/macro=tdsver=tds80 check copy PWD.IN PWD.L DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.TDS.UNITTESTS]DYNAMIC1.C;1:  Test dynamic queriesG src/tds/login.c: tds_connect: 192.138.151.39:4444: connection timed outs tds_connect() failed try_tds_login() failed  9 Tried installing unixodbc & rebuilding ... much the same.oB Looking at easysoft odbc-odbc bridge now (500), although I saw a 2 suggestion (in freetds?) that it could be slow ...   Chrisa   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 10:30:18 -0700: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry) Subject: Re: VMS SQL client = Message-ID: <7f15589f.0306100930.7c8292dd@posting.google.com>   l Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message news:<bc4ohp$dca$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>...  & > Built OK with MMK/macro=tdsver=tds80  C BTW, are you sure the target server is MS SQL Server 2000?  If not,m/ you won't want version 8.0 of the TDS protocol.   ? > Using MMS 3.4-3 & VMS 7.3, verified your reproducer - thanks. J > Can't send it to hp support at present, despite having a contract - the E > website reports "error - try again later", and support@hp.com just   > bounces. I'll keep trying.  2 Thanks for attempting to notify the authorities.      > Check appeared to mostly fail:  > $ mmk/macro=tdsver=tds80 check > copy PWD.IN PWD.  D Er, did you first edit PWD.IN to contain a valid username, password,E server name or address, and database name?  Before you attempt to run D the whole test suite, just try logging in like so, substituting your( own server address and a valid username:  * $ mcr []tsql -"S192.168.xxx.yyy" -"Uguest"
 locale is "C"e charset is "ASCII"
 Password: =           Msg 5703, Level 0, State 1, Server MYSERVER, Line 0n' Changed language setting to us_english.o   1> sp_helpdb 2> gor. name    db_size owner   dbid    created statusE master       10.94 MB   sa      1       Nov 13 1998     trunc. log onM chkpt.> model         1.50 MB   sa      3       Oct 31 2000     select# into/bulkcopy, trunc. log on chkpt.>> msdb          8.25 MB   sa      4       Oct 31 2000     select# into/bulkcopy, trunc. log on chkpt. F Northwind             3.94 MB   sa      6       Oct 31 2000     select# into/bulkcopy, trunc. log on chkpt._> pubs          2.05 MB   sa      5       Oct 31 2000     select# into/bulkcopy, trunc. log on chkpt. > tempdb        8.75 MB   sa      2       Jun 10 2003     select# into/bulkcopy, trunc. log on chkpt." (return status = 0)e 1> exit>  ; > Tried installing unixodbc & rebuilding ... much the same.rD > Looking at easysoft odbc-odbc bridge now (500), although I saw a 4 > suggestion (in freetds?) that it could be slow ...  D That's about the price I remember as well; it might be worth gettingF an evaluation copy even if you keep playing with FreeTDS.  I think allD the commercial solutions use a middleware server of some kind, whichB intuition says would be slower than a native driver, but I haven't ever done any comparison tests.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:00:42 -0400n! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>y Subject: Re: Web Apps for VMSe' Message-ID: <3EE5D67A.BD57BB6E@vcu.edu>t   oh, yeah, that's it.... ;-)   
 dooley wrote:e > R > Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> wrote in message news:<3EE4F441.17EDD25D@vcu.edu>...B > > Yes, email there is one built in, one for buy from pmdf by SunI > > microsystems, there is apache CWS webserver from HP, there is the OSUsL > > webserver from ohio state u, there is the uh, another one from Australia= > > i'm sure someone will chip in with, I can't remember now.p > here's the link  > http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/ > Phil   -- wF "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 09:39:56 -0700- From: pdafniotis@yahoo.com (Petros Dafniotis)aH Subject: Will a Radeon 9000 PCI card work in the place of a Radeon 7500?= Message-ID: <e54adf36.0306100839.74d23c69@posting.google.com>k  E As subject says. I am having a hard time finding a radeon 7500 pci in A Europe; I was wondering if the readily available 9000 will do thet+ trick. I have an XP1000 Compaq workstation.o  # Thank you in advance. Kind regards,> Petros ---n Petros Dafniotis, PhDT pdafniotis@yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:23:44 +0200e+ From: "IdrEASY" <idreasyMAKNI_BAGRU@vip.hr> , Subject: Wininet.dll (FindFirstFile) and VMS0 Message-ID: <bc44c2$j2i$1@garrison.globalnet.hr>  8 How to get directory list of VMS account in VisualBasic?  L When filename is very long, FindFirstFile function breaking file informationL in two lines (filename and file attributes), so next call of function returnG file attributes of previous file instead of next filename informations.    Bye!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:16:08 +0100e* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>R Subject: [OT] RE: Letter to HP Management from OpenVMS users around the wo	rld ...O Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCFF5@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>o   <snip>  I >> >    McDonalds makes almost no profit on hamburgers, but sells them by  theo >> >    billions.n >>I >> That's a joke, right?  McDonalds makes a fortune selling hamburgers.  vI >> As a matter of fact, they make a fortune selling all the garbage they mF >> sell. Everything they sell has a pricetag several times the actual H >> cost of the materials or the miinimum-wage labor it takes to make it. >/K >This may or may not be true.  In terms of margins, they probably make morej: on the soda, shakes and fries, >than on the burger itself. > I >Consider the fact that the *cup* for the drink costs more than the drinky itself in most cases.e  K I think McDonalds would love to make a fortune selling hamburgers, but they-H along with the other types of burgers are the high cost items whereas asK already stated the Drinks & fries if served in the correct quantity are theeH high profit lines. All of this becomes immaterial when you consider thatF people want the 'garbage'in some cases 24x7, so labour & running costsI rocket. Also factored into the equation has to be the legal costs as MD'siJ are seen as a Prime target in the 'sue' culture and are hit by some of theI most stupid cases imaginable. That said a very busy store run well in thek right location ........l  = OK so my wife works for them, but that means I see both sidesa Climbing off the Hobby Horse Andrew Robinsona   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:51:05 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i9 Subject: Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?" H Message-ID: <ZukFa.44862$3Sm.28841@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  3 "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in message-) news:veap7lp99qjm6b@corp.supernews.com...m > John Smith wrote:  >n7 > > "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in messagen- > > news:ve9ptpr0vees00@corp.supernews.com...r > >nC > >>I don't believe this to be true at all. HP has been dead set on  > >t > > keepingm > >gD > >>the compiler guys - that's where the added value is for Itanium. > >  > >l > >iF > > So why'd all the great Alpha compiler guys get traded to Intel for ae- > > 7th-round draft pick and a bag of shells?e >lD > Sorry - I wasn't clear. I was referring to the pm-HP compiler guys1 > that have been working on Itanium from day one.a    F My question still stands. Your statement, by inference, seems to implyE that the Alpha compiler guys who were sold to Intel were somehow lesswC talented that the HP compiler guys. I think the facts on that scoreb are clearly the opposite.   D The truth is rather more mundane - Capellas wanted to obliterate anyC possibility of Alpha being revived, so in additional to 'licensing'bF the rights to Alpha (Comapq never had any intention even pre-HP buyout@ of dealing with Alpha ever again) to Intel and donating the chip@ engineers, he dusted the compiler team as well...the value-addedE component as you call them. Guess he knew he was going to sell-out toi> HP on June 25, 2001. After all...why have 2 value-added teams?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:45:05 -0700 & From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>9 Subject: Re: [The Inquirer] "HP trying to dump OpenVMS ?"h/ Message-ID: <vebv9rb6navte1@corp.supernews.com>s   John Smith wrote:u   > H > My question still stands. Your statement, by inference, seems to implyG > that the Alpha compiler guys who were sold to Intel were somehow less E > talented that the HP compiler guys. I think the facts on that scorer > are clearly the opposite.)  C You infer incorrectly. I'm not commenting on the Alpha guys at all.eE All I am saying is that the HP guys have been working on Itanium fromMF day one and they did NOT go to Intel. I believe the Alpha guys are as E talented as any compiler writers around. I think the transfer of them G to Intel was part of a business decision and had very little to do withi talent.   F > The truth is rather more mundane - Capellas wanted to obliterate anyE > possibility of Alpha being revived, so in additional to 'licensing' H > the rights to Alpha (Comapq never had any intention even pre-HP buyoutB > of dealing with Alpha ever again) to Intel and donating the chipB > engineers, he dusted the compiler team as well...the value-addedG > component as you call them. Guess he knew he was going to sell-out to @ > HP on June 25, 2001. After all...why have 2 value-added teams?  C I can't speak to that. I do believe that talented compiler guys are B very valuable and if I ran the zoo I'd be inclined to keep as many around as I could get.   -- e
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.320 ************************