1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 11 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 322       Contents: Re: access violation in SMTP/ Re: COMPAQ S5500 Monitor on DS10 OpenVMS v7.3-1 " Re: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems" Re: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems" RE: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems( Re: Help with 3100/98(was help with VMS) Help with the Search function ! RE: Help with the Search function ! Re: Help with the Search function ! Re: Help with the Search function ! RE: Help with the Search function ! Re: Help with the Search function D Re: Hobbyist or EDU license experience with multiprocessor machines?8 Re: Independant VMS crashdump analysis service launched.$ Re: Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMS$ Re: Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMS$ Re: Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMS$ Re: Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMS Legato Networker) Re: Motif 1.3, Euro sign not standard ?!? ' Re: OT: CNN Story Not Favorable To Bush ' Re: OT: CNN Story Not Favorable To Bush # Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol # RE: PIPE output defined to a symbol # Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Rookie question for the experts < Re: Rookie question for the experts (Dual Ethernet adapters)< Re: Rookie question for the experts (Dual Ethernet adapters)M Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers M Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers M Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers M Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers P Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers se TK70 tape drive problem  Update the FAQ?  uptime-alike Re: uptime-alike Re: uptime-alike Re: uptime-alike' Re: Wininet.dll (FindFirstFile) and VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:13:02 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: Re: access violation in SMTP # Message-ID: <bc6oae$bi$3@online.de>   A In article <3EE54024.BAEF163D@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin % <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:    ( > > Message from user INTERnet on XXXXXXJ > > INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status = %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO > > K > > Has anyone seen the above?  Any idea what caused it?  Any idea where to L > > start looking?  (I have the SMTP logicals set to be verbose, so I hope IJ > > can find something somewhere.  If anyone knows a quick answer---or, if7 > > necessary, a quick fix---I'd appreciate it though.)  > > # > > 5.0A, soon to be upgraded.  :-|  > J > look in the TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON directory and look at the log files.  What > do they say?  I Nothing obvious.  ALL of the access violations are caused by Korean spam  @ originally sent to the submission address of a newsgroup that I G moderated.  Other mail gets through fine.  I only noticed this because   of OPCOM messages.  6 TCPIP/VMS version info: V5.0A-1F, OpenVMS V7.2-1 Alpha   #smtp_read_reply:end_of_reply=0  #smtp_read_reply:returning 1  D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   11-JUN-2003 10:02:14.75  %%%%%%%%%%%%P %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000000006666& 6664, PC=0000000066666664, PS=0000001B  P %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000000000000& 000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=000000038   TCPIP$SMTP   job terminated at 11-JUN-2003 10:02:14.85    G I've been getting these messages every half hour or so for a month.  I  I can't believe I'm the only one getting them!  It would be interesting if  I anyone else has these---and perhaps doesn't notice it.  So especially if  @ you're running 5.0A, REPLY/ENABLE and monitor the SMTP messages.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2003 23:31:13 -07006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)8 Subject: Re: COMPAQ S5500 Monitor on DS10 OpenVMS v7.3-1= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0306102231.5abd4d3e@posting.google.com>   ] "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<bc4plb$tqk@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>... E > "Andrew Rycroft" <andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com> wrote in message 9 > news:58ba0101.0306100614.36770d21@posting.google.com...  > @ > > Any tips on how I can get this to work would be appreciated. > F > RTFM: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/ek-vx1gc-ig.pdf   Hi,   C Thank you for your input, I couldn't find this information. Set the 9 logical DECW$SERVER_REFRESH_RATE. Everything now working.    Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:20:29 GMT ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>+ Subject: Re: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems @ Message-ID: <5de62812d6b61ab69bb4dee455908b09@free.teranews.com>  7 On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:32:53 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   >Keith Parris wrote:	 >> [snip] G >> A quick Google search confirms that indeed, starting about September G >> 2002, Dell started telling customers that it plans to ship Itanium 2  >> systems in 2003.  > 3 >I wonder how many of them will be OpenVMS-capable?   L Well, I recall someone (Fred and Hoff, I think) that the engineering team isJ not doing anything intentional to cause VMS to not work on generic Itanium systems.  K But, who cares?  Are you really going to buy a Dell Itanium 2 system to run  your production environment?    L I can read the replies already... What about cheap development systems? What about hobbyist systems?   L O.K., what about developers?  Well, if I were a developer, I wouldn't want aH non-qualified systems as my development and qualification system.  As anL end-user, I wouldn't want a product that is only certified on a Dell system.I And is a Dell Itanium systems really going to be that much cheaper than a H systems purchased with the discounts available in the developer program?  L And hobbyists?  Well, they might actually buy one. But that will be the sameL as someone trying to use a Multia as a hobbyist system.  It may work, but if not you are on your own.    L And I wouldn't want engineers spending their time on adding support for DellL systems, like was done for the Multia.  Unless they are really, really boredH on a Saturday night.  (And if that's the case, I can recommend some good= movies, or even some average-at-best movies for them to see).   , Just had to get that out of my system.......   Dave Harrold    N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204 I                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634 G Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999  3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 10:46:31 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) + Subject: Re: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems 3 Message-ID: <93pD0Xsfrjnt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <5de62812d6b61ab69bb4dee455908b09@free.teranews.com>, David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes: 9 > On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:32:53 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  >>Keith Parris wrote: 
 >>> [snip]H >>> A quick Google search confirms that indeed, starting about SeptemberH >>> 2002, Dell started telling customers that it plans to ship Itanium 2 >>> systems in 2003. >>4 >>I wonder how many of them will be OpenVMS-capable? > N > Well, I recall someone (Fred and Hoff, I think) that the engineering team isL > not doing anything intentional to cause VMS to not work on generic Itanium
 > systems. > M > But, who cares?  Are you really going to buy a Dell Itanium 2 system to run   > your production environment?   >   ? 	Sure.  The premise is that VMS is VMS.  VMS with a world-class  	filesystem.   	As an example...   4 	I'm justifying another node simply on cost savings.  I 	4 VMS Dells in the cluster?  Drop hardware support to next business day. @ 	Server dies, no sweat.  Now the assumption here is you have theA 	throughput with 3 servers, so this doesn't meet everyone's need.   ? 	So in a sense, if Dell is a flakier platform than HP or IBM ,  F 	whatever.  I don't care as if one drops off I have enough horsepower.  > 	[I'm arguing from the point:  "why not?"  Some will leave theA 	fold for Dell.  Many will stay with VMS on HP kit as there is a  ? 	comfort and support level there.  Maybe as things work out, we ? 	stuff a Dell or two in our ItaniumVMS cluster when dollars get  	tight on a budget cycle.]  B 	This concept must be feeding back into HP and IBM's thinking, and; 	we see it.  Hence, the shift to services as the edge with  < 	servers becomes further devaluaed with commodity IA64 being? 	the platform of choice OR forcing HP/IBM to come close to Dell C 	in pricing.  The shakeout on the desktop is what will be happening  	to 4, 8, 16 CPU space on IA64.   E 	Now maybe HP locks in NSK, VMS to HP kit.  That would be unfortunate B 	but not terrible.  I'm assuming the HP kit will be close to price? 	of Dell.  If it isn't, HP won't be selling much Itanium in the @ 	Win64 or Linux space.  They probably won't dare bifurcate their= 	IA64 line into "Enterprise class" NSK, VMS price models with ? 	crippled firmware and the same hardware selling into "Industry = 	Standard" Win64, Linux space.  That strategy is fraught with ? 	peril and a very HOSTILE user base.  "How do I tell management : 	that same box costs quite a bit more running VMS?" , etc.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:19:49 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: RE: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEECAHGAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: David Harrold [mailto:DHarrold@wi.rr.com]' >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:20 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, >Subject: Re: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems >  > 8 >On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 20:32:53 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" ><djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  >  >>Keith Parris wrote: 
 >>> [snip]H >>> A quick Google search confirms that indeed, starting about SeptemberH >>> 2002, Dell started telling customers that it plans to ship Itanium 2 >>> systems in 2003. >>4 >>I wonder how many of them will be OpenVMS-capable? > 9 >Well, I recall someone (Fred and Hoff, I think) that the  >engineering team isK >not doing anything intentional to cause VMS to not work on generic Itanium 	 >systems.  > L >But, who cares?  Are you really going to buy a Dell Itanium 2 system to run >your production environment?   J It is a mistake to assume that Dell doesn't build reliable HW.  You may beK confusing the "system" with the HW paltform.  Power Edge servers are solid.    > ? >I can read the replies already... What about cheap development  >systems? What >about hobbyist systems? > = >O.K., what about developers?  Well, if I were a developer, I  >wouldn't want aI >non-qualified systems as my development and qualification system.  As an @ >end-user, I wouldn't want a product that is only certified on a
 >Dell system. J >And is a Dell Itanium systems really going to be that much cheaper than aI >systems purchased with the discounts available in the developer program?  > A >And hobbyists?  Well, they might actually buy one. But that will  >be the same@ >as someone trying to use a Multia as a hobbyist system.  It may
 >work, but if  >not you are on your own.  > < >And I wouldn't want engineers spending their time on adding >support for Dell @ >systems, like was done for the Multia.  Unless they are really,
 >really bored I >on a Saturday night.  (And if that's the case, I can recommend some good > >movies, or even some average-at-best movies for them to see). > - >Just had to get that out of my system.......  > 
 >Dave Harrold  >  > D >...................................................................
 >............ A >David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold  >at aurora.orgJ >Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204J >                                           Pager:          (414) 941-4634H >Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999 >3031 W. Montana Street  >Milwaukee, WI 53215 >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:24:59 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>1 Subject: Re: Help with 3100/98(was help with VMS) 5 Message-ID: <bc7pd9$g4g8b$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   6 "Mark" <machinegunkelley@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:b3d4f0be.0306110704.45bcb62c@posting.google.com... F > We purchased a model 3100/98 with 256meg of ram but something is not
 > right here. B > We installed our OVMS 5.5-2 on it and it reports it as a 3100/95E > I understand from help I received from this newsgroup that you need > > 5.5-2H4 or 6.1 or later for the new harware in this machine.G > I had a consultant we hired put 6.2 on the machine and 6.2 still only  > reports it as a 3100/95.H > Is there a possibility that what we have here is a 3100/98 motherboardC > with a 3100/95 proccesor in it? the console show config reports a 9 > KA59-A V2.0, VMB 2.16 which is supposed to be a 3100/98 F > I am a little concerned here that we have received less then what we > have paid for. >   F You are almost certainly OK, V5.5-2 did not know about 3100/98, so theK system has a console setting to allow for that. The system pretends to be a & very fast 3100/95 and V5.5-2 is happy.L You need at least V7.1 for the system to correctly identify the system type,H and even then the console setting needs to be right for VMS to correctly identify the hardware type. H Problem is, I cannot remember what the console variable is that controls this compatibility mode.     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net  http://www.travell.uk.net/         --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 27/05/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:12:02 +0100 * From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>& Subject: Help with the Search functionO Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCFFD@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>    Running OVMS 7.3-1  J Is there any way of searching for more than one item on a line with an AND
 qualifier.F I know you can search for say ABC,XYZ & it will find any occurrence ofK either, but I would like to search for ABC and XYZ where they appear on the K same line, but not when they appear apart. Is this going to be a DCL script ( or is it possible to do it in one line ? Thank you in advance Andrew Robinson 5 BTW OVMS is too reliable for Management to notice it!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:31:27 +0100 * From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>* Subject: RE: Help with the Search functionO Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCFFE@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>   I Please ignore this silly request. When reading the excellent help with my I eyes opened by the first coffee of the day the /MATCH=AND works very well   $ Apologises again for the silly post.  	 Andrew R.    >Running OVMS 7.3-1  > K >Is there any way of searching for more than one item on a line with an AND 
 qualifier.G >I know you can search for say ABC,XYZ & it will find any occurrence of 
 either, but I K > would like to search for ABC and XYZ >where they appear on the same line,  but not K >when they appear apart. Is this going to be a DCL script or is it possible  to do it in one line ?   >Thank you in advance  >Andrew Robinson  6 >BTW OVMS is too reliable for Management to notice it!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:21:15 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")* Subject: Re: Help with the Search function6 Message-ID: <00A21348.99455DCD@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  | In article <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCFFD@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>, Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> writes: >Running OVMS 7.3-1  > K >Is there any way of searching for more than one item on a line with an AND  >qualifier. G >I know you can search for say ABC,XYZ & it will find any occurrence of L >either, but I would like to search for ABC and XYZ where they appear on theL >same line, but not when they appear apart. Is this going to be a DCL script) >or is it possible to do it in one line ?    See $ HELP SEARCH   I The specific thing you're looking for now is the qualifier /MATCH=AND but 8 there are other interesting options worth reading about.   -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jun 03 04:46:56 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com * Subject: Re: Help with the Search function( Message-ID: <p9YWBAGZu4mX@cpva.saic.com>  O In article <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCFFD@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>, -  Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> writes:  > Running OVMS 7.3-1 > L > Is there any way of searching for more than one item on a line with an AND > qualifier.H > I know you can search for say ABC,XYZ & it will find any occurrence ofM > either, but I would like to search for ABC and XYZ where they appear on the M > same line, but not when they appear apart. Is this going to be a DCL script * > or is it possible to do it in one line ? > Thank you in advance > Andrew Robinson 7 > BTW OVMS is too reliable for Management to notice it!  >    Yes, it's possible; see    $ help search /match   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 07:59:46 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: RE: Help with the Search function3 Message-ID: <Y0ugB0GbwKW6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCFFE@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>, Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> writes:K > Please ignore this silly request. When reading the excellent help with my K > eyes opened by the first coffee of the day the /MATCH=AND works very well   D    Nothing silly about reminding newbies who lurk here just how good    VMS HELP is.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 07:58:58 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: Help with the Search function3 Message-ID: <MGOePl4s3sun@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCFFD@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>, Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com> writes: > Running OVMS 7.3-1 > L > Is there any way of searching for more than one item on a line with an AND > qualifier.H > I know you can search for say ABC,XYZ & it will find any occurrence ofM > either, but I would like to search for ABC and XYZ where they appear on the M > same line, but not when they appear apart. Is this going to be a DCL script * > or is it possible to do it in one line ?  G    That is exactly watch /match=and does.  Only lines containing all of (    the items will match and be reported.      I.E.:     $help search/match   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:43:59 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")M Subject: Re: Hobbyist or EDU license experience with multiprocessor machines? 6 Message-ID: <00A21343.648FF877@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  P In article <3EE6BFC2.8030707@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:  = >I'm running hobbyist on an AS1200 (Dual 533Mhz). No worries.  > G >> Does anyone have relevant experience in running Hobbyist or EDU VMS  F >> base licenses on multiprocessor machines?  If I can point at placesG >> where it's working, I'll feel more confident in telling my colleague $ >> to order a CPU without a license.  4 Thanks!  That's what I was looking for, pretty much.   -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 04:05:49 -0700- From: tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell) A Subject: Re: Independant VMS crashdump analysis service launched. = Message-ID: <9f261edc.0306110305.5071e9ce@posting.google.com>   g "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> wrote in message news:<bc5bpn$fkobb$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>... 5 > Having discovered the hard way just how bad the job L > situation really is, and with an unbelievable amount of practical help andL > support from a number of people who had been total strangers up to then, I > have got it all together.   E Best of luck to you John. You help with crash analysis was invaluable - during the time I was at 5 or 6 UK VMS sites.   E You're right about the UK VMS job situation. Been 16mths since losing F my VMS job (thanks to a bean-counting parasite ar$ehole - he knows whoC he is). Desperately miss using the best OS going - just no work out E there. Now reduced to a junior job supporting Micro$oft OSs (complete 1 with the same salary I was earning 12 years ago).   + I wish you well with your consultancy work.    --ChrisB   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 07:54:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMS 3 Message-ID: <Rb3nONerStTa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   z In article <cDvFa.3326$Jw6.2369335@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net> writes: >  > Tim:L >     Command procedures (scripts) don't run on VMS by juse mentioning theirJ > name.  They are not "executable" per se.  You may have to invoke it with > "@showlogiris".   B    In any other context, true.  The JDK release notes specifically0    shows that exex() will do it without the "@".   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 07:55:56 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMS 3 Message-ID: <ALBgoZjpyZJ+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <1030610215802.2699A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:   H > That depends on whether or not DCL$PATH is defined.  Maybe you have itK > defined as a process logical name, and it isn't getting handed off to the I > subprocess created by exec()?  [This assumes a lot: that exec() creates C > a subprocess; that the process logicals aren't passed to it; that F > DCL$PATH is defined, so you don't need to say "@showlogiris" in DCL;H > that DCL$PATH is a process, not job nor group nor system logical; ...]  B    Although I thought about DCL$PATH, the JDK exec() release notes$    do not document this as required.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:39:53 +0200 ! From: "Tim" <tim_a_b@hotmail.com> - Subject: Re: Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMS / Message-ID: <veec97l2sd7uf5@corp.supernews.com>    Thanks for all the help guys.   ( I did need to set the DCL$PATH variable.  K I also had to put 'exit' at the end of my .com script, even though it works ! without it at the command prompt.    Regards    Tim       , "Tim" <tim_a_b@hotmail.com> wrote in message) news:vebv045efstoa0@corp.supernews.com... 	 > Hi all,  > G > I have written a socket program in Java for our VMS box. Basically it  allowsH > a client to open a socket from another machine and instruct the server > socket to run ".com" files.  > 4 > Unfortunately, when I try to call a com file using/ >     Runtime.getRuntime().exec("showlogiris");  > I get the following error:B >     java.io.IOException: Child creation error: exec format error > J > The showlogiris.com file is in the same directory as the java class thatK > opens the server socket and I have verified that the showlogiris.com file 1 > works ok by running it from the command prompt.  > G > I have followed the instructions in the following web-page, but to no  avail: > v http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/documentation/1.4.1/ovms/docs/release_notes.html#UsingtheRuntimeexeMethodonOpenVMSAlpha > L > I am using jdk1.1.8, which is very old, but the Runtime class has not been@ > changed since 1.0, so that should not be a problem, should it? > > > If anybody can help me on this one I would be very grateful, >  > Kind regards,  >  > Tim  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:42:23 +0200 ! From: "Tim" <tim_a_b@hotmail.com> - Subject: Re: Java Runtime.exec(String) on VMS / Message-ID: <veecdtmu3nhg6d@corp.supernews.com>   I Including "@" results in a run-time error. I can't remember exactly what, + but it was something to do with bad format.     H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Rb3nONerStTa@eisner.encompasserve.org... D > In article <cDvFa.3326$Jw6.2369335@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "John7 Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net> writes:  > >  > > Tim:H > >     Command procedures (scripts) don't run on VMS by juse mentioning their L > > name.  They are not "executable" per se.  You may have to invoke it with > > "@showlogiris".  > D >    In any other context, true.  The JDK release notes specifically2 >    shows that exex() will do it without the "@". >    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 02:52:25 -0700& From: mike.walker@dunnhumby.com (Mike) Subject: Legato Networker = Message-ID: <412221e7.0306110152.5e60b3b2@posting.google.com>   ? We currently have wumpusware running on our OpenVMS 7.3 system. A We are looking to go to the Legato badged client but have found a - liitle "feature" while testing both versions.   @ Full and incremental backups work correctly when driven from theF networker server, but if you try and drive it from a DCL routine usingE the legato command line options a full backup is performed regardless  of the level set. D This is a concern to us as we are backing up around 5Tb of data each day.  C Has anyone else seen this behaviour, and more importantly fixed it?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:07:02 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> 2 Subject: Re: Motif 1.3, Euro sign not standard ?!?* Message-ID: <bc6guc$77b$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Dirk Munk wrote: > To type the Euro in G > VMS (if it is installed), keep <right compose-character> pressed and   > type <x> <o>  G On my system also the more logical  <left compose-character> <e> works.                        Jouk   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 07:50:38 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 0 Subject: Re: OT: CNN Story Not Favorable To Bush3 Message-ID: <3a6FOJ4p64xx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <Yv-cnYqd0OTFz3ujXTWcpQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > L > Our Congress can (and should) consider impeachment and removal at any time& > too.  But I'm not holding my breath.  C    Congress has announced plans to investigate the WMD intelligence D    and how it may have been used in misleading ways.  The DemocractsB    want lots of very public hearings.  The Republicans control the@    committee.  Once again party politics trumps public interest.  D    The "liberal media" however, will now have their chance to make aA    field day out of it.  I won't be watching Fox News.  I will be     reading the Washington Post.    > H > I find myself agreeing with most of your post a great deal more than I( > expected to when I started reading it.      Cool.  Thanks for saying so.   B    Now I'll take a real spin:  what's going on that had Americans'G    attention in a way they really cared about?  Last weekend California J    issued an "Amber Alert" and it didn't jsut work, it worked much better B    than most people could have predicted, scared the culprit into H    releasing his victim.  Makes us all feel a little safer for our kids.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:39:01 GMT 2 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAMopenvms.org>0 Subject: Re: OT: CNN Story Not Favorable To Bush= Message-ID: <9aHFa.44992$nr.4103965@twister.southeast.rr.com>    --          5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message , news:Yv-cnYqd0OTFz3ujXTWcpQ@metrocast.net... > J > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:zdTg9IgdspeJ@eisner.encompasserve.org... B > > In article <veCcnbvZyp0RU3mjXTWcqQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"" > <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > > > I > > > That's technically correct, when you consider the world as a whole:  the J > > > general perception was that there was no pressing need to remove him *at  > > > all*.  > > > > >   The world is free to disagree.  Freedom is a good thing. > L > I'd say "amen", but since I'm not religious that could be misleading.  ButK > one should also note that freedom carries with it responsibility:  you're J > not 'free' to decide to walk over to your neighbor's house and shoot himG > (unless possibly you have caught him aiming a loaded weapon at *your*  house K > and preparing to fire it), and we should not consider ourselves 'free' to  do4 > the same kind of thing on the international level.  I What about when you're watching your neighbor kill and torture members of 4 his own family?  Should you just stand by and watch?   -- Kenneth Farmer <><      L > > > But in the more limited (in multiple meanings) context of the good ol' > U.S.F > > > of A., the vigorously-asserted presence of WMD *and the imminent threat > ofK > > > their use in large quantities* was very definitely the rationale used  toH > > > sell a somewhat dubious public on the need for going to war *right > then*,C > > > rather than allowing the U.N. inspection process to continue.  > > L > >    Not entirely relavent since no one believed those claims at the time.L > >    We can hardly be expected to hold our breath waiting for something we > >    didn't believe in.  > F > I think you may be giving our fellow citizens a bit too much credit: while I > they might not have been willing to bet their farms that the allegation  was D > true had they been told to put up or shut up, a great many of them appearedH > to find it convenient to accept the assertion at face value (since theI > alternative would have required that they actually consider standing up  and ' > doing something about the situation).  >  > > I > > > Of course, now that the imminence of such a threat is becoming more  and  > moreG > > > ludicrous (and more and more information is coming out of various F > > > intelligence agencies indicating that it was highly questionable
 > *before*I > > > the war as well), Dubya and friends are back-pedaling furiously and 	 > seeking B > > > other rationalizations for why they should not be treated as > international H > > > criminals.  And a lot of 'Muricans seem to be buying it, God bless 'em -  > but C > > > the Brits appear at least a bit less ready to be as cynically 
 > manipulated , > > > after the fact as they were before it. > > E > >    The Brits are not and never were the only ones who saw cynical F > >    manipulation.  They do happend to be the most vocal in making aI > >    political fight over it right now.  I expect to here more from the1K > >    US Democracts as 2004 nears.  The Brits don't have to wait that longM4 > >    since they can call for an election any time. > L > Our Congress can (and should) consider impeachment and removal at any time& > too.  But I'm not holding my breath. >0 >   In the meantime I expectK > >    GWB's real economic plan:  cheap oil, to come on too late to fix theh > >    economic mess he's made.  > >eI > >    You can't expect Americans to get all fussed up and righteous whenhL > >    the administraion of the oil men, for the oil men, and by the oil men* > >    does exactly as poorly as expected. >iH > I find myself agreeing with most of your post a great deal more than IL > expected to when I started reading it.  Unfortunately, since the characterI > of this Administration was already pretty clear prior to 2002 election,  theTJ > results of that election do not inspire confidence that the problem will beH > fixed in 2004 unless people *do* get somewhat more fussed up than they have > been up until now. >m > - bill >t >s >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:31:57 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG, Subject: Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol0 Message-ID: <00A2136B.A001B4DD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <r5kcevsovpsgdd1vm1u73meo87mvtqebul@4ax.com>, Gary L. Ross <rossgl@parknicollet.com> writes:nG >Has anyone found a way to define a symbol from within the PIPE commandn >without outputing to a file?n > 	 >Example:  >t@ >$ pipe multinet ping <servername> /num=1 | search sys$pipe data, >PING servername (10.10.10.1): 56 data bytes >rD >I get one line of data back that I would like to define to a symbolD >so I may strip data out via lexicals for displaying later.  I would1 >like to avoid all disk I/O if possible.  Thanks.o  : I have two examples showing how to do this on my web site.  D http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/REMNODE_USING_PIPE_AND_SYMBOL.COM  	 ...and...   > http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/REMNODE_USING_PIPE_ONLY.COM  E The first example uses my SYMBOL package and the second uses PIPE andrC a job table logical.  You can register for and download SYMBOL fromp the /symbol/ page.  E Unfortunately, you cannot get to either of these pages or anywhere at-B www.tmesis.com because Verison cannot seem to figure out why my T1D loop is down at the moment.  It has been since 8:30 on 10 June.  I'm2 told that they will fix it today... Here's hoping.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM5            @5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:18:24 -0700n# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: RE: PIPE output defined to a symbol9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEBMHGAA.tom@kednos.com>e   >-----Original Message-----vC >From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG]t' >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:32 AMa >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >Subject: Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol  >  > A >In article <r5kcevsovpsgdd1vm1u73meo87mvtqebul@4ax.com>, Gary L.O' >Ross <rossgl@parknicollet.com> writes:hH >>Has anyone found a way to define a symbol from within the PIPE command >>without outputing to a file? >>
 >>Example: >>A >>$ pipe multinet ping <servername> /num=1 | search sys$pipe datah- >>PING servername (10.10.10.1): 56 data bytesO >>E >>I get one line of data back that I would like to define to a symbol E >>so I may strip data out via lexicals for displaying later.  I would%2 >>like to avoid all disk I/O if possible.  Thanks. >%; >I have two examples showing how to do this on my web site.i >aE >http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/REMNODE_USING_PIPE_AND_SYMBOL.COME >- >....and...s >o? >http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/REMNODE_USING_PIPE_ONLY.COM0 >0F >The first example uses my SYMBOL package and the second uses PIPE andD >a job table logical.  You can register for and download SYMBOL from >the /symbol/ page.' >eF >Unfortunately, you cannot get to either of these pages or anywhere atC >www.tmesis.com because Verison cannot seem to figure out why my T1 E >loop is down at the moment.  It has been since 8:30 on 10 June.  I'm-3 >told that they will fix it today... Here's hoping.3  K How much are you paying for the T1?  I just switched from Sprint (excellent: service)/ to New Edge reducing monthly from $1110 to $5355 >0 >--33 >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001o >VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo >i5 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"A >e >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.o; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).oA >Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/2003b >p ---a& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 5/27/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:21:47 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon), Subject: Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol1 Message-ID: <03061110214745@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   G I used the examples provided earlier in this thread to do a performancenD comparison between the PIPE (NEW) and /OUTPUT to disk (OLD) methods.     The NEW method:t   $ TYPE GET_MEMORY_NEW.COM; $!> $! this is the NEW method to get a SEARCH string into a symbol $!
 $ pipe ( -          show memory | --          search sys$pipe "Private Memory" | -u          ( -"            read sys$pipe $tmp$ ; -*            define/job/nolog $tmp$ &$tmp$ -          ) -        )F $ private_memory = f$element(0,")",f$element(1,"(",f$trnlnm("$tmp$")))C $ write sys$output "This server has ''private_memory' total memory"w   $ @GET_MEMORY_NEW.COM;& This server has 6332.00Mb total memory     The OLD method:    $ TYPE GET_MEMORY_OLD.COM; $!> $! this is the OLD method to get a SEARCH string into a symbol $! $ show memory /out=search.txt;7 $ search search.txt; "Private Memory" /out=results.txt;' $ open rdfl results.txt; /read $ read rdfl data $ close rdfl# $ delete results.txt;*,search.txt;*n9 $ private_memory = f$element(0,")",f$element(1,"(",data)) C $ write sys$output "This server has ''private_memory' total memory"a   $ @GET_MEMORY_OLD.COM;& This server has 6332.00Mb total memory    	 Analysis:   M In this example, the NEW method will have the following impact on performances over the OLD method:  % Increase	[Buffered I/O count]	by 230%k" Decrease	[Direct I/O count]	by 25% Decrease	[Page faults]		by 55%" Decrease	[Charged CPU time]	by 47%  K Overall a reduction in system resources for said commands.  Your milage maye vary.r  J This is not to imply that you will reduce overall costs by any great deal,O however if your process does multiple searches as demonstrated above, it may be = worth the time and effort to learn and implement this method..    " Thanks for the submitted examples!  3 Call me what you will, just do not call me Shirley!    John Brandon VMS Systems Administratora$ john.brandon.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:24:53 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death2 Message-ID: <otmdna5hh-AZVnujXTWcpg@metrocast.net>  3 "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in message-) news:vedggfdut0l204@corp.supernews.com...r > Bill Todd wrote: >vH > > Intel has been delivering Itanic on paper for close to a decade now, Rob -pI > > certainly since the original late 1997 projected release date (though4 thatJ > > date then itself got projected, and projected, and projected until theJ > > product earned the nickname 'unobtanium').  And even as of today Intel hastA > > yet to deliver an Itanic that customers actually want to buy.c >oJ > In certain customer segments Itanium is very popular. The supercomputingI > guys at Pacific Northwest National Labs are building one of the world'soE > largest supercomputing clusters with McKinley systems, for example.m  L Er, that sounds more like a single customer (albeit one willing to gobble upL quite a few units, one might suspect at an especially attractive price) thanL a 'customer segment' in which Itanic is 'very popular' (which at least to meJ would suggest relatively wide adoption - say, at a level comparable to the other most-adopted platforms).   >e? > OT: do you know the original source of the word "unobtanium"?n  J No, but it rings a faint and seemingly distant bell - I'm tempted to guess; from engineering and/or science fiction about 60 years ago.e   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:08:09 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death2 Message-ID: <EQ-dnbk3VJHJJHujXTWcog@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:uPL9xGJDnIjR@eisner.encompasserve.org...h   ...   A > Intel has big speed bumps ahead with Xeon MP.  Should keep Xeonh< > competetive with Opteron, especially in those pesky tpmCs.  L You actually got it right above:  Xeon *will* likely remain competitive withK Opteron (save, of course, for being limited to 32-bit use).  But then belowr1 you, as usual, got carried away by your own spin.d  , > For example, this 4-way Dell config gives: >fE > http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_result_detail.asp?id=103042201k >t > Exec summary:s >aL > http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/Dell/dell_6600_210403_es.pdf >NB > 78000 tpmC.  The configuration for that is 4 - 2.0 GHz with 2 MB; > L2 with each CPU.  As it just so happens, Intel is set to * > ship at month-end an upgrade of Xeon MP: >h* > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9823 > F > "As we've written earlier, the Xeon MP 2.8GHz with 2MB cache will be
 introduced- > at the end of this month at around $3,700."i >i? > Now it isn't rocket science to presume that a 40% increase inf4 > CPU speed will translate in quite a bit more tpmC.   Indeed it should.n   >t > Here is an observation.b >m< > AMD launches Opteron in April, posts tpmC to tpc.org for a? > 4 processor box that you can take delivery of in July.  QuitenA > good numbers - to look at, but you won't be running that config  > for a while.  L Sort of like Madison posting 4-processor TPC-C numbers in April for a systemK with an August 1 availability date, I'd say.  Even if it's the same Madison0J system that you'll be able to buy at the end of this month, the differenceH between the two comparisons is only a couple of weeks - hardly enough toK suggest that AMD was being a tease and HP was not.  And when it came to the>J SuperDome results, HP posted TPC-C results in May for availability in late
 October...     Meanwhile, as part of a true= > launch campaign with savvy marketing Intel is set to launchwA > a CPU when Opteron's become available that knock Opteron around : > on tpmC.  The Intel boxes will be orderable.  Why tease?  L Let's see:  only a day or two ago you were describing how AMD was remiss forG *not* having posted 2 GHz Opteron benchmark results yet, and now you're2K praising Intel for precisely the same behavior?  You're really living up tohE dumb-blonde cheerleader stereotypes here, Rob:  we'll have to get youw" pom-poms and a cute little outfit.   >a4 > AMD does good on paper, Intel delivers in reality.  J Intel has been delivering Itanic on paper for close to a decade now, Rob -J certainly since the original late 1997 projected release date (though thatF date then itself got projected, and projected, and projected until theJ product earned the nickname 'unobtanium').  And even as of today Intel has= yet to deliver an Itanic that customers actually want to buy.   
   Wall Street  > sees these things too. >t@ > Just as significant, back to the speed bumps for Xeon.  In the@ > next year Intel is set to take Xeon to 3.6 GHz with an 800 MHz( > front-side bus and 4 MB on-chip cache.  J But not, I suspect that you'll find if you study their plans in a bit more detail, all in the same chip.s     While others are quick to E > point out Opteron will be at 2.6 GHz whenever, you can see that AMDy1 > will be quickly falling behind the speed curve.   E I guess one might think that if one were as ignorant of AMD's OpteronmJ schedule as you seem to be.  2 GHz is planned for this summer, 2.2 GHz forK late summer/early fall, and at least 2.4 GHz before year's end (when the *1.7 MB* cache Xeon is planned to hit 3.2 GHz, last I knew).D  H By a year from now Opteron will be in 90 nm (just like Xeon) and headingL toward 3 GHz and beyond.  And it's likely to be either dual-core or have its cache enlarged to 2 MB by then.    > 1 > Today, a 1.8 GHz 4-CPU Opteron does 80000 tpmC.l  G Not to be picky, but it's over 82,000 tpmC, Rob - and without the TPC-Ca* tuning expertise of HP behind that result.     Today a 2.0 GHztA > 4-CPU Xeon CPU box does 78000 tpmC.  Next year, Opteron will ber9 > pushing 2.6 GHz, Xeon will be at 3.6 GHz.  Do the math.e  I Pentium will likely be at 3.6 GHz by then, and perhaps even the lower-endeJ Xeons, but the large-cache Xeons have so far always lagged *significantly*J in their clock-rate increases.  So the math doesn't quite work out the wayL you'd like it to:  Opteron should itself have a bigger cache (unless it goesD dual-core instead), should be pushing 3 GHz by then, and will in allI probability still easily match both the slower, large-cache Xeons and thehF faster, smaller-cache Xeons - while offering the distinct advantage of> 64-bit operation for server environments that benefit from it.   > L > > We keep being told how great IA64 *will* be. But that usually means thatI > > today, the chip is crap and not a success. The day they announced ther murderE > > of Alpha, it was TODAY that counted, not some time in the future.n >  > It will be great.w  J Not before 2006 at the earliest.  Before then it's stuck with the McKinleyK core, and will be nothing more than adequate (and a pig for power to boot).   . >  Intel is spending the money to ensure that.  I Bill Gates doesn't have enough money to make that happen any earlier than # 2006:  read The Mythical Man-Month.e  ? > Don't discount Xeon either.  AMD has to fight a multi-prongedl	 > battle.n  I And is ideally positioned to do so - better than at any time in the past.gH In competing with IA32 it has the 64-bit option to offer as an unmatchedK feature (plus 100% IA32 compatibility so it's not any kind of a trade-off).hH In competing with Itanic (assuming Itanic turns into something one mightH care about competing with) it has drastically lower prices (both for theJ processor itself and for the associated boards, due both to higher volumesB and lack of need for external glue) - plus, again, that great IA32# performance for mixed environments.   4   Flash, IA32, IA64 and several generations of each. > AMD won't be able to keep up./  G They don't have to do all that much, you know:  Hammer is a good enough2J product already that they can ride the process-improvement curve just like; Itanic will be doing for the next couple of years at least.c   >  They haven't the resources.  H IBM does, and has plenty of incentive to help ensure that AMD thrives atG Intel's (and particularly Itanic's) expense.  If IBM has great (larger) H Opteron systems to offer and no one else does, so much the better:  theyH won't compete at all directly with IBM's proprietary offerings, but willI definitely help stunt Itanic's general growth (and Itanic *would* competeaL more directly with IBM's other products if it gathered sufficient momentum).  7 So the combination looks like a win for both companies.S   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:42:28 -0400a* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death2 Message-ID: <4oOdnXt4IerRXHujXTWcrg@metrocast.net>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagea, news:EQ-dnbk3VJHJJHujXTWcog@metrocast.net... > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:uPL9xGJDnIjR@eisner.encompasserve.org...y >l > ...p >gC > > Intel has big speed bumps ahead with Xeon MP.  Should keep Xeon > > > competetive with Opteron, especially in those pesky tpmCs. > I > You actually got it right above:  Xeon *will* likely remain competitivef withG > Opteron (save, of course, for being limited to 32-bit use).  But then> belowh3 > you, as usual, got carried away by your own spin.p > . > > For example, this 4-way Dell config gives: > >iG > > http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_result_detail.asp?id=103042201  > >W > > Exec summary:l > >  > >eJ http://www.tpc.org/results/individual_results/Dell/dell_6600_210403_es.pdf > >:D > > 78000 tpmC.  The configuration for that is 4 - 2.0 GHz with 2 MB= > > L2 with each CPU.  As it just so happens, Intel is set to , > > ship at month-end an upgrade of Xeon MP: > >D, > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9823 > >2H > > "As we've written earlier, the Xeon MP 2.8GHz with 2MB cache will be > introduced/ > > at the end of this month at around $3,700."f  I Oh, one other little thing on the subject of those large-cache Xeons:  aseF you note above, they cost close to 5x as much as the Opterons that areJ currently beating them (82K tpmC to 78K tpmC), and the overall system costF (or $/tpmC, whichever you prefer) is close to twice as high as for theK Opteron system.  So that just *might* affect the competitive position a tadgJ (as will the appearance of 2/2.2/2.4 GHz Opterons over the next 6 months).  B And I just checked Intel roadmaps at The Inquirer and indeed, as IL suggested, the large-cache Xeons aren't planned to hit anything like 3.6 GHzI by a year from now (nor to have moved to the 800 MHz bus).  Smaller-cacheyL Xeons may hit 3.46 GHz by year's end, though, and 3.6 GHz by a year from now using the fast bus.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:44:48 -0700=& From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death/ Message-ID: <vedggfdut0l204@corp.supernews.com>:   Bill Todd wrote:  L > Intel has been delivering Itanic on paper for close to a decade now, Rob -L > certainly since the original late 1997 projected release date (though thatH > date then itself got projected, and projected, and projected until theL > product earned the nickname 'unobtanium').  And even as of today Intel has? > yet to deliver an Itanic that customers actually want to buy.c  H In certain customer segments Itanium is very popular. The supercomputingG guys at Pacific Northwest National Labs are building one of the world'seC largest supercomputing clusters with McKinley systems, for example.o  = OT: do you know the original source of the word "unobtanium"?M   -- n
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:47:06 -0400 " From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death) Message-ID: <3EE6C247.6467E1B2@istop.com>a   Rob Young wrote:? >         Not at all.  If there are secret scents that AMD will4I >         make a "huge splash and significantly erode Intel's dominance",n) >         Wall Street isn't smelling it. i    N Wall Street is only preoccupied with the current quarter and whether a compenyN will meet predicted numbers at the end of current quarter. Intel and MicrosoftK are seen as dominant in their markets and any other company trying to steal-1 market share is quickly dismissed by Wall Street.5  L But this does not mean that in reality, a competitor couldn't start to erodeL the market share of Intel. And because this would span a few quarters, you'dI then see Wall Street Casino analysts start to change their tune once they.  start to see the numbers change.  L Also, if you currently own Intel stock, and you know AMD won't start to hurtH Intel for another 2-3 quarters,  you arte likely to continue to say goodM things about intel even if you can foresee bad things a few quarters down the T road, and you won't change your rating of Intel until you have sold the Intel stock.    I >         Intel has big speed bumps ahead with Xeon MP.  Should keep XeoniD >         competetive with Opteron, especially in those pesky tpmCs.  M The question remains: will the Intel 8086 line get more speed bumps than IA64I7 and if so, will IA64 be able to keep up with the 8086 ?-  I >         AMD does good on paper, Intel delivers in reality.  Wall StreetD  >         sees these things too.  N <grumble>I keep hearing that IA64 *will* be great. Seems to me that IA64 is as much on paper as AMD.0  H >         It will be great.  Intel is spending the money to ensure that.  H Oh, here is another example of IA64 seen as a future thing, not present.  K >         Dell certainly doesn't want to spoil their debut of Madison.  YoueG >         can bet it will roll out with a nice price tag and impressivem= >         benchmarks.  Dell.  They know what they are doing.    J My impression is that Dell is doing that solely to secure its relationshipM with Intel for good prices on 8086s, just like compaq had done when it killed L alpha, or when digital settled the intel "we made a "alpha inside" pentium".    F I am betting that Dell will lose a bit of money on its IA64 boxes. AndK software availability for IA64 will be a showstopper for most who look intoSG it. Whereas an AMD system would beat IA64 due to software availability.=  N >         much.  But it will be a VERY impressive 4-way number cruncher - that. >         will be a kick start for IA64 sales.  I We know that (at least initially) Dell boxes won't run VMS. Will they runn HP-UX ? Will they run NSK ?e  N What version of Windows is *fully* released on IA64 ? Is there an IA64 version of Office ? IIS ? etc ?a    K Intel made IA64, and nobody showed up for the party except HP. So now Intel I has to announce "free beer" to entice enough people to show up. And it isiJ normal for intel to try to salvage IA64. Getting Dell to build a few tokenN IA64 systems is a step in the right direction. But getting the software ported! to IA64 is still a major hurdle. n  M >         And as much as some like to bash HP, they are much larger than DellKI >         and they didn't get there by accident.  They know what they aren >         doing too.    L It is my impression that HP is smaller than they used to be. They got rid ofN the real HP (agilent). And they have downgraded themselves to a wintel companyM that makes printers for wintel boxes with enterprise leftovers from the past.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:32:47 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> & Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death, Message-ID: <3EE6CD0F.5060308@tg.nsw.gov.au>   Greg Cagle wrote:c > Bill Todd wrote: > H >> Intel has been delivering Itanic on paper for close to a decade now,  >> Rob -I >> certainly since the original late 1997 projected release date (though . >> thateI >> date then itself got projected, and projected, and projected until the J >> product earned the nickname 'unobtanium').  And even as of today Intel  >> has@ >> yet to deliver an Itanic that customers actually want to buy. >  > J > In certain customer segments Itanium is very popular. The supercomputingI > guys at Pacific Northwest National Labs are building one of the world's E > largest supercomputing clusters with McKinley systems, for example.v > ? > OT: do you know the original source of the word "unobtanium"?m > H I am not a sci-fi reader of the modern stuff, so cannot argue with Bill & Todd's conjecture in an earlier reply.  H My first contact with the word was when the whole Intel debacle started D a few years ago (even before the Alphacide).  I would even hazard a H guess (i.e., vague memory) that I first read it in a Terry Shannon post.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegede> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise,B the sender.  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MarcelloH pegged Alpha annual development costs at $150 million at the time of the .. </snip>    regardsn TK   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:53:35 -0700y& From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death/ Message-ID: <vedkh9q5vov515@corp.supernews.com>-   Bill Todd wrote:  N > Er, that sounds more like a single customer (albeit one willing to gobble upN > quite a few units, one might suspect at an especially attractive price) thanN > a 'customer segment' in which Itanic is 'very popular' (which at least to meL > would suggest relatively wide adoption - say, at a level comparable to the  > other most-adopted platforms).  E My point was that the supercomputing guys in general - guys who write.C their own code - seem to like Itanium pretty well. PNNL is just onen example.  ? >>OT: do you know the original source of the word "unobtanium"?r >  > L > No, but it rings a faint and seemingly distant bell - I'm tempted to guess= > from engineering and/or science fiction about 60 years ago.i  F My recollection is that it's from auto racing - Roger Penske's "unfair6 advantage" in the 60s was supposed to be "unobtanium".   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:43:07 GMTjL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death6 Message-ID: <00A21343.456A90A5@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  X In article <vedkh9q5vov515@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> writes: >Bill Todd wrote:c >e@ >>>OT: do you know the original source of the word "unobtanium"? >>   >> uM >> No, but it rings a faint and seemingly distant bell - I'm tempted to guessu> >> from engineering and/or science fiction about 60 years ago. >oG >My recollection is that it's from auto racing - Roger Penske's "unfairo7 >advantage" in the 60s was supposed to be "unobtanium".t  I Don't know about that, but I remember sf writer Larry Niven referring to  H "unobtanium balonium" in his Worldcon GoH speech in Los Angeles in 1972.I (I think it was his GoH speech; I was twelve.)  He was talking about why nC he wasn't going to write any more in the Known Space universe afteriJ _Ringworld_, because there was so much balonium in it that he didn't have 0 room to move around.  He changed his mind later.   -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056OM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025aO ===============================================================================n   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 07:38:28 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death3 Message-ID: <ZairReKEq6pv@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <3EE698AC.EF51D208@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> writes:  O > What was wrong with PA-Risc architecture that required it be dumped in favoureL > of a totally new ,unproven one ? Couldn't HP have simply handed Pa-Risc toE > Intel and told intel to go and build a new industry standard chip ?t    G    Intel needs a chip with the hooks to emulate Pentium at not too slowhG    a speed so all those PCs using Penitums will migrate more readily toy;    the new chip.  PA-RISC is not a good candidate for that.a   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 07:41:35 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death3 Message-ID: <Xr4bf2htEviE@eisner.encompasserve.org>r   In article <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C260017F6FF0@exdel01.del.mgsl.com>, Kesav Tadimeti <Kesav_Tadimeti@KeaneIndia.com> writes: > You know,9H > I wonder, given that Alpha was a leading processor (performance-wise),H > wouldn't it have been wiser for Intel to buy out Alpha and continue toI > manufacture it, than to invest loads of money to make a new processor? .  -    To run existing Pentium code?  Not likely.p  E    Now if Billy boy had been serious about NT on Alpha, DEC and IntelrH    might both be sitting pretty in the chip arena.  Instead the hardware.    makers got to live with what Redmond wants.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 06:48:42 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death= Message-ID: <7500353b.0306110548.1d3973fc@posting.google.com>m  K > My impression is that either A) you are just one of the regulars stirringgM > the pot without attribution, or B) there are other reasons why if your namel. > were known - your opinion would be devalued.  D And why you say that ? Do you try to push me over the edge ? Why are= you so interested ? Are you afraid I would be working on yourbC organization ? How about a freedom of speech ? Do you value opinionn only by face and title ?  D Isn't opininon an opinion without a face ? What benefits do you plan+ for me but the devaluation of my opinion :)t  C And anyway, if you assume that A is right, then I have succeeded onwC stirring the pot and if B, then I'd say its a proof of arrogance to<C devaluate someone by the name and title and short-sighted denial oft facts.   You can assume that IfN > have a bias towards HP and towards VMS considering I work for them - you can= > discount *my* opinion based on that - which is your choice.o  ? Doesn't the saying go 'dont bite the hand that feeds you' soundr	 familiar.a  0 Ok. I take your opinion is biased. Mine is not.   L > You have added nothing to the dialogue in terms of opinion that differs or7 > adds any nuance to several other VMS/HP/IA64 bashers.a   Face the facts:   ( 1. IA64 is not mainstream market leader.F 2. IA64 has now a competitor in 64 bit area that walks into Intel turfB by freezing 32bit-only processor development and all new sales are only 32/64bit.B 3. AMD64 Pricing looks to continue on 32bit line instead of 64 bit
 used in IA64. D 4. Intel has negleted good compatibility with 32bit on its 64bit. It? relies too much on its muscle and not in customer satisfaction.iC 5. Intel intends to continue on 32 bit unless AMD gains too much of 	 its turf.iD 6. New fight for 64 bit share is going to start. AMD has all to gainE and very little to loose. Intel has all to loose and nothing to gain. C 7. People believe in hype that they may need 64 bit instead of realeD need. Like they buy PC's for homework and actually play games on it.F 8. Go to www.dell.com and search for Itanium and see how many hits you get. Where is it sold ?zE 9. Go to www.hp.com and try to figure out how much the Itanium serverrA costs. I tried half day and could not get one answer. Using othereD links I found it to be around 20.000$ for simple server. Compared to# 1000$ PC there is a long way to go.f  F I did not invent these. They are market facts as you correctly state.    As a result of this : C - If there are no customers for IA64, there will be no customers tov iVMS. D - If there will be no customers to iVMS, it does not matter if it is	 superior.h? - If it does not matter if iVMS is superior, then why fund it ?w. - If it does not matter to fund iVMS, then....   Mist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:23:20 GMTd3 From: wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace)b& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death0 Message-ID: <3ee71da7.341437814@news.eircom.net>  , On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:54:51 -0400, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  J >However, with the "threat" of Intel also producing a 64 bit 8086, the bigN >question now becomes: if Intel produces a 64 bit version of the 8086, will it* >be binary compatible with AMD's version ?   I'd say so.   $ >If not, than AMD will be in trouble] >because it will have to change its Opteron to match the Intel chip for binary compatibility.i  E Two years ago that would have been true. A year ago it would probablyuE have been true. Now, I suspect it's Intel who would have to change toe? match Opteron for binary compatibility, and with every day thatt@ passes, Opteron's installed base of hardware and software grows.  N >So for now, it woudl probably be wise to limit the investment in opteron-only< >software until the shakedown of 64 bit systems is complete.  ? I'd say AMD64 as the future industry standard is secure, simplytA because there is no other candidate. If AMD filed bankruptcy nextsF month, someone else would step in and take over AMD64; there's too big% a market there to leave on the table.o  F (Disclaimer of personal interests: while I don't own shares in AMD (orE any other company for that matter), I do have plans for projects that ? will benefit from 64 bits, and to that extent I have a stake in A Opteron's success because it offers the best prospect of a 64 bita! machine at a price I can afford.)d   -- s "Sore wa himitsu desu."s To reply by email, removeh the small snack from address.s! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallacel   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:04:17 GMTi# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>_& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium deathH Message-ID: <BFGFa.58805$j9%.12580@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EE687D9.F95E13AF@fsi.net...e > Keith Parris wrote:w > >a9 > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messaget% news:<3EE50221.9A81A978@istop.com>... E > > > Remember the arguments about Alpha being single-sourced being ad drawbackA > > > (originally) ? Well, as long as IA64 is single sources from1 Intel, the sameEE > > > argument should apply to it. Because AMD's solution is based ons
 the induystry-D > > > standard which is available from multiple sources, it makes it much more of aB > > > commodity and hence more politically acceptable than Intel's proprietary  > > > IA64 chip. > >BA > > AMD's 64-bit extensions, x86-64 or AMD64 or whatever you calla them,dB > > are available only in chips from a single source -- AMD.  That makes,D > > Opteron just as much a single-source chip as Itanium.  And usingF > > Opteron makes you dependent on a single-source supplier with fewer' > > financial resources than Intel has.a >iF > ...until (read: if) Opteron takes the place planned for Itanic, thenF > AMD's financial footing will (read: should) improve proportionately. > B > One should consider the possibility that in the near future both IntelsA > and The Redmond Empire may need to learn to find their own "newa cheese",D > if you can relate to that paradigm. Failure to do so leaves one inE > danger of finding one's self in a "cheese station" where the supply  is > quickly dwindling.    2 A possible move for Microsoft would be to buy AMD.  B IBM produces its own operating systems and chips which it combinesC into systems. Microsoft could do the same. Or simply sell chips andEF software to the likes of Dell, Gateway, IBM, Toshiba, etc....and maybe HP.   F MS could then declare EOL on all software for non-AMD based processorsA with a drop-dead date for support on those versions 5 years hence D (Sybase desupported VAX/VMS Alpha/VMS...what's the difference? Other@ companies do the same.) Five years support would most likely get# around FTC and anti-trust concerns.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:09:49 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> & Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death1 Message-ID: <xnJFa.2373$tW1.326@news.cpqcorp.net>V  ; "mist dragon" <mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in messageT7 news:7500353b.0306110548.1d3973fc@posting.google.com...t >,1 > Ok. I take your opinion is biased. Mine is not.  >u  A You've proved my point.  Your posts are a waste of time.  Ploink.o   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 09:37:37 -0700( From: rferrell@smcwv.com (Rusty Ferrell)( Subject: Rookie question for the experts= Message-ID: <9b72a38f.0306110837.7d1afd07@posting.google.com>2   Greetings all!F I'm a UNIX kind-of-guy that's been put into a VMS-kind-of-guy position so please be gentle with me!  B Our existing system is an AlphaServer 2100 and it's being replacedC with a DS10L AlphaServer. The 2100 is FDDI attached to our internalaC TCP/IP based network. There are no other network connections to thenA 2100. In order for the old DECserver's and devices to "talk" (via D DECnet I assume)to the 2100, a small ethernet hub was installed thatE acts as a media converter/bridge between the internal network and the  thinwire DEC network.a  D The DS10L has two internal ethernet adapters. Is it possible to bindC TCPIP to one adapter and DECnet to the other? The network guys here-C really, REALLY want to eliminate the little ethernet hub (it annoysnD them) and I thought that I could accomplish that task if I could get? the DS10L connected to both the internal IP network and the DEC E thinwire directly (yes, I know I'll have to convert the TP connection!> to BNC but I'll have the little hub available if I can get the ethernet adapters configured).   Thanks in advance for any help!o  
 Rusty Ferrellt rferrell@smcwv.com   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 12:06:05 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)0E Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts (Dual Ethernet adapters)v3 Message-ID: <9LAb7TYbDvCW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <9b72a38f.0306110837.7d1afd07@posting.google.com>, rferrell@smcwv.com (Rusty Ferrell) writes:  H > I'm a UNIX kind-of-guy that's been put into a VMS-kind-of-guy position > so please be gentle with me!   Ok.c  F > The DS10L has two internal ethernet adapters. Is it possible to bind/ > TCPIP to one adapter and DECnet to the other?   C Yes.  I would not presume to say how in a newsgroup, but you shouldaI find the documentation for both TCPIP (or alternate vendor TCP/IP stacks) F and DECnet (either implementation from HP) is quite clear on how to doH this.  Many Unix people are surprised at how large the VMS documentation> set is (while MVS people are surprised at how small it is :-).   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 12:57:41 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-E Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts (Dual Ethernet adapters)t3 Message-ID: <X+AW12lM79hb@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  S In article <bc7o0f01bva@drn.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:lK > In article <9LAb7TYbDvCW@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.netT	 > says...  >>9 >>(while MVS people are surprised at how small it is :-).a > ( > Is the MVS doc set more comprehensive?   Well, it is bigger.e  * > I *have* noticed times when the only wayL > to figure out a fine point from the VMS doc set was to try it and see what > happened.  :-(   I rarely encounter that.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 08:52:29 -0700+ From: JRumerman@hotmail.com (Joel Rumerman) V Subject: Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers< Message-ID: <a4437404.0306110752.4cf4f9a@posting.google.com>  F Thanks for all the solutions / comments. I'm forwarding on some of theE questions to my VMS team and will be posting a better reply later on.n   Joel  a "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message news:<3EE5F0DA.11810.32BBAB7D@localhost>... I > > The differences are large with one server having 550mbs and the otheryF > > server having 450mbs. It looks to me that it is splitting the file7 > > into two chunks, but I'm not sure (it's a graphic).u > H > Are they transferring it specifying binary transfer?  The default FTP  > setting on VMS is not binary.e >  > --Stan Quayley > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------E > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147a? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 08:56:26 -0700+ From: JRumerman@hotmail.com (Joel Rumerman) V Subject: Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers= Message-ID: <a4437404.0306110756.61d461fa@posting.google.com>   C The files on the target systems are not the same. We think, the one,< file is being split into separate files as it's transferred.  C When we FTP to one server at a time it works okay. We are trying totD FTP the files to both servers at the sime time as a test to cut down on overall transfer time.0   Joel  n "Michael D. Ober" <obermd-@-alum-mit-edu-nospam> wrote in message news:<MwpFa.182$Dj.66158@news.uswest.net>...K > Are the cluster sizes on the target systems the same?  Also, what happensC' > when you FTP to one server at a time?t >  > Mike Ober. > : > "Joel Rumerman" <JRumerman@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:a4437404.0306101018.1486ff08@posting.google.com...2 > > Hi All,B > >eD > > Okay. I've never logged onto a VMS box, I know nothing about theH > > architecture or I/O functionality, but I'm working on a team that is< > > taking 1 large VMS file, about 1 GB, and transferring itG > > simultaneously to two different Windows 2K Advanced Servers through G > > FTP. I was wondering if anybody knew of a problem this might cause.eH > > The results of the transfer are two files with different file sizes!I > > The differences are large with one server having 550mbs and the othereF > > server having 450mbs. It looks to me that it is splitting the file7 > > into two chunks, but I'm not sure (it's a graphic).a > >'2 > > Does anybody know about a situation like this? > >e > > Thanks so much.p > >n
 > > R/Joel   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 08:58:48 -0700+ From: JRumerman@hotmail.com (Joel Rumerman)uV Subject: Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers< Message-ID: <a4437404.0306110758.dc5f458@posting.google.com>  D Yes, this one file is 1GB. Actually, it's not a graphic file. It's aA DAT, but I wanted to imply that it couldn't be split into smallerr; files for transferring purposes. Sorry if I was misleading.   ? I've contacted my VMS team and asked for the file attributes. Ip# hopefulyl get those today sometime.y   Thanks,Joelg  X Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<bc5gjt$si1$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>...1 > Is this one graphic of 1 GB? That is a big one.o > R > Before we can tell you what to do, we need to know what kind of VMS file it is. O > VMS has many file types, and sometimes you need to do something extra if you -$ > want to send it to another system. > J > To know what kind of file it is, simply do a dir/full of the file, thus ' > something like DIR/FULL GRAPHIC.DAT .a > ) > It should give you something like this:f > 4 > GRAPHIC.DAT;1                 File ID:  (7383,1,0)2 > Size:          164/192        Owner:    [SYSTEM]% > Created:     1-SEP-1999 23:46:38.72n) > Revised:     1-SEP-1999 23:47:19.89 (2)e > Expires:    <None specified>" > Backup:     <No backup recorded> > Effective:  <None specified> > Recording:  <None specified> > Accessed:   <None specified> > Attributes: <None specified> > Modified:   <None specified> > Linkcount:  1k  > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      Online" > Caching attribute:  WritethroughH > File attributes:    Allocation: 192, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0< >                      No version limit, Contiguous best try3 > Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte recordse > Record attributes:  None > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: NoneC > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:REn > Access Cntrl List:  None > Client attributes:  None > " > Total of 1 file, 164/192 blocks. >  >  >  > S > The important things to look at are the File Organization, the Record Format and nP >   the Record Attributes. They will give us a good idea about what kind of VMS ) > file organization you are dealing with.  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > Joel Rumerman wrote: > > Hi All,p > > D > > Okay. I've never logged onto a VMS box, I know nothing about theH > > architecture or I/O functionality, but I'm working on a team that is< > > taking 1 large VMS file, about 1 GB, and transferring itG > > simultaneously to two different Windows 2K Advanced Servers througheG > > FTP. I was wondering if anybody knew of a problem this might cause.tH > > The results of the transfer are two files with different file sizes!I > > The differences are large with one server having 550mbs and the otherhF > > server having 450mbs. It looks to me that it is splitting the file7 > > into two chunks, but I'm not sure (it's a graphic).r > > 2 > > Does anybody know about a situation like this? > >  > > Thanks so much.6 > > 
 > > R/Joel   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 09:00:41 -0700+ From: JRumerman@hotmail.com (Joel Rumerman)AV Subject: Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers= Message-ID: <a4437404.0306110800.51265d3c@posting.google.com>t   :->c  C Funny! Well, moving away from Win2k is not an option so I'm workinge with what I've been handed.p  F As for the FTP transfer type, I'm looking into it and I'll get back to you.   -Joelp  r "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<EGsFa.52884$j9%.5693@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...B > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in7 > message news:NcBwcmJru1PX@eisner.encompasserve.org... A > > In article <a4437404.0306101018.1486ff08@posting.google.com>,I0 >  JRumerman@hotmail.com (Joel Rumerman) writes: > >hA > > > simultaneously to two different Windows 2K Advanced Serverse
 >  through- > >                                   ^^^^^^^  > >s > >    There's your trouble! > >dF > >    OK, seriously, most likely one of them is transfering in binary- > >    and the other is transfering in ASCII.A > >e >  > Bob,$ > You got the trouble part wrong.... > A > > > simultaneously to two different Windows 2K Advanced Serversp	 > throughd >  > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >  > | H >                                                      This is where the > trouble is. ;-)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:13:55 -0400T" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: Simulatenously transferring a 1GB file from VMS to two Windows 2k servers sel) Message-ID: <3EE7634F.F8423104@istop.com>g  & re: 2 files transfeered simultaneously    M 1- are the two wintel machines using the same VMS username to access the filer at the same time ?  E 2-Consider defining a few logicals to better trace/log the transfers:   = To log transactions or remote users doing FTP on your system:s  2 $DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$FTPD_LOG_CLIENT_ACTIVITY TRUE  G This will result in the SYS$LOGIN:TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.LOG files containingaH details of transactions. In your case, you should make sure that each PCI generates its own file (eg: that VMS sees this as two separate transfers,u instead of a single transfer).   Here is an example output:8 --------------------------------------------------------6 FTP Login request received at Sat Feb 15 01:41:00 2003; from remote IPv6 address 0:0:0:0:0:ffff:10.0.0.13 port 1988.# UserAlias:jfmezei  UserName:jfmezei 1 ProcName:TCPIP$FTPC0005F  AnonUser:0  MultiLine:1 8 --------------------------------------------------------    >>> 230 User logged in. <<< PASV< >>> 227 Entering Passive Mode (10,0,0,10,197,107) <<< TYPE I% >>> 200 TYPE set to IMAGE. <<< CWD []  >>> 250-CWD command successful.hD >>> 250 New default directory is DKA200:[JFMEZEI] <<< RETR bmwz8.jpg? >>> 150 Opening data connection for DKA200:[JFMEZEI]BMWZ8.JPG;1g (10.0.0.13,1989) (160250 bytes)a# >>> 226 Transfer complete. <<< QUITa >>> 221 Goodbye.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:57:11 +0000 (UTC) A From: Adrian Stapley <adrian@semleystation.spammed-to-hell.co.uk>B  Subject: TK70 tape drive problem0 Message-ID: <bc7qhl$1db$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  I I'm trying to get an old Microvax 3400 with VMS5.4 running again after 4 3G years idleness. Everything seems to have untimately come back to life, wE except the TK70 drive, which did work before, but now gives an error  J message "Volume is not software enabled" when trying to mount a formatted   tape or initialize a blank tape.  * Does anyone know what this message means ?  L I've so far taken the cover off and cleaned the led's, and checked that the J tape is being latched by the leader and wound on to the spool for a short % way, but stops with the eror message.e  6 Show dev/full for the device shows a high error count.   Adrian# ----------------------------------     ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 07:51:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Update the FAQ?3 Message-ID: <EUhCHsZ9UuI$@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  U In article <00A2136B.A001B4DD@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > < > I have two examples showing how to do this on my web site. > F > http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/REMNODE_USING_PIPE_AND_SYMBOL.COM >  > ...and...e > @ > http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/using/REMNODE_USING_PIPE_ONLY.COM >   "    Time of a new entry in the FAQ?   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 06:08:39 -0700' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>r Subject: uptime-aliket) Message-ID: <bc79kn02ru9@drn.newsguy.com>j  O I need a program functionally like the UN*X "uptime" command.  Seems to me thatv I could write it.l  P Getting the BOOTTIME and therefore the up-time of the machine is easy.  The partN that has me stumped is how I'm going to figure out the rest, meaning the countL of pending COM[O] processes.  The most recent internals data I've got is for& VAX/VMS 3.6, so I'm kinda at sea here.   Suggestions?   -- k! Today on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:46:45 -0500-( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: uptime-alike 1 Message-ID: <03061110464556@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   M > I need a program functionally like the UN*X "uptime" command.  Seems to me   > that I could write it. > M > Getting the BOOTTIME and therefore the up-time of the machine is easy.  Then > partP > that has me stumped is how I'm going to figure out the rest, meaning the countN > of pending COM[O] processes.  The most recent internals data I've got is for( > VAX/VMS 3.6, so I'm kinda at sea here. >  > Suggestions?  N For some of us lacking in UN*X could you show us sample output of what you are wanting?  Thanks!       3 Call me what you will, just do not call me Shirley!n   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorr$ john.brandon.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 10:55:26 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: uptime-alikee3 Message-ID: <VIlpd$sTmHA9@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  \ In article <03061110464556@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:N >> I need a program functionally like the UN*X "uptime" command.  Seems to me  >> that I could write it.  >> oN >> Getting the BOOTTIME and therefore the up-time of the machine is easy.  The >> partnQ >> that has me stumped is how I'm going to figure out the rest, meaning the countvO >> of pending COM[O] processes.  The most recent internals data I've got is fore) >> VAX/VMS 3.6, so I'm kinda at sea here.I >>   >> Suggestions?A > P > For some of us lacking in UN*X could you show us sample output of what you are > wanting?  Thanks!l >   $ nodename_is_here:/home/youngr>uptimeH   11:51AM   up 4 days,  20:39,  4 users,  load average: 0.36, 0.61, 0.74   				Robh   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 09:49:26 -0700' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>n Subject: Re: uptime-alikea) Message-ID: <bc7mim016dq@drn.newsguy.com>   ; In article <3EE701FD.797ADA3B@ourtownusa.org>, Lyle says...o  D >Don't know if this is what you want, but you asked for suggestions:  J $GETJPI() loops are fun, agreed.  I've a lot of experience with them.  OneO problem is that they MODIFY the process state if you're not careful with them. fJ They create an AST, which runs in the context of the target process(es) toO gather information.  That means that you swap processes in, in order to look attN them.  There's a way around this (JPI$_GETJPI_CONTROL_FLAGS), but I didn't see it in your code.  N Also, if your code runs at normal priority, it can miss things which happen inP higher queues.  By definition, those queues are empty if your program is runningI at a lower priority.  I want to get around these problems, so I can't use + $GETJPI, or I can't use it in a normal way.e  N What I figure to do is, unless there's a memory location which keeps this kindK of information, to walk the different priority "computable" queues while atcK either high priority or an IPL > 0, counting processes, and return the sum.e   -- S! Today on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Jun 2003 07:17:49 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)0 Subject: Re: Wininet.dll (FindFirstFile) and VMS3 Message-ID: <GrFVJuAAHznR@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  ^ In article <bc44c2$j2i$1@garrison.globalnet.hr>, "IdrEASY" <idreasyMAKNI_BAGRU@vip.hr> writes:: > How to get directory list of VMS account in VisualBasic? > N > When filename is very long, FindFirstFile function breaking file informationN > in two lines (filename and file attributes), so next call of function returnI > file attributes of previous file instead of next filename informations.e >   G You need to install a FTP server on the VMS system that emits directoryuG listings in Unix style format, or switch your existing FTP server to do  the same if it is possible.a  I This is required because the API you are using assumes that the directoryc listing is in Unix format.  G If you provide details of which TCP/IP stack you are using, people hereR( will be able to tell you how to proceed.   Simon.   -- eB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       L VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at advocacy.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.322 ************************