1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 13 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 325       Contents:
 Alpha Servers  Alpha systems at 50%+ off  Bind Re: Bind Re: Bind; Re: BLASTed directory locks, timing windows & endless loops ; Re: BLASTed directory locks, timing windows & endless loops + DCPS or PCL and Printing Overlay / Underlay / Re: DCPS or PCL and Printing Overlay / Underlay / Re: DCPS or PCL and Printing Overlay / Underlay  re: DECnet/SNA stuff7 Re: Download service for VMS and Tru64 layered products  RE: Forcing ip Re: Forcing ip Re: Forcing ip Re: Forcing ip Re: Forcing ip Re: Forcing ipH Re: GNU-izing a Unix System V IPC, signal and socket system for OpenVMS?H Re: GNU-izing a Unix System V IPC, signal and socket system for OpenVMS?H Re: GNU-izing a Unix System V IPC, signal and socket system for OpenVMS?( Re: Help with 3100/98(was help with VMS)5 Re: Help, can't make Advanced server trust W2k domain # Re: Here's a commercial for you all - Re: How to configure Batch Queues for cluster ) How to configure Batch Queues for cluster - RE: How to configure Batch Queues for cluster - Re: How to configure Batch Queues for cluster " Re: HP #1 in Servers and Notebooks" Re: HP #1 in Servers and Notebooks" Re: HP #1 in Servers and Notebooks HP #1 in Storage Re: HP #1 in Storage! Re: HSZ80 / ES40 cabling question - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates ! Looking for MAGMA 4 DMA/8 drivers & Re: mail to news gateways for OpenVMS?& Re: mail to news gateways for OpenVMS?P Re: More X-10 software available.  Examples of intermittent real-time device conP Re: More X-10 software available.  Examples of intermittent real-time device conP Re: More X-10 software available.  Examples of intermittent real-time device con) Re: Motif 1.3, Euro sign not standard ?!? ) Re: Motif 1.3, Euro sign not standard ?!? * OpenVMS Success Story: Partners HealthCare. RE: OpenVMS Success Story: Partners HealthCare Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death 4 Re: Problems running a .com file using a Java socket4 Re: Problems running a .com file using a Java socket# Re: Rookie question for the experts # Re: Rookie question for the experts # Re: Rookie question for the experts # Re: Rookie question for the experts # Re: Rookie question for the experts % Re: TK70 tape drive problem - Updatye 	 Re: TLZ10 	 Re: TLZ10 % Updated DII-COE Web Pages for OpenVMS ) Re: Updated DII-COE Web Pages for OpenVMS ) Re: Updated DII-COE Web Pages for OpenVMS  Re: uptime-alike Re: uptime-alike where to get VAX 7730 system? ! RE: where to get VAX 7730 system? ! Re: where to get VAX 7730 system?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:10:22 -0400 , From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: Alpha Servers/ Message-ID: <veict35fkcj789@news.supernews.com>   > When Compaq Canada, NASA and The US Military need Alpha stuff. Who do they call?????????    Answer:  Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 2010402 http://www.islandco.com  dbturner-at-hpaq.net (Change the -at- to @ to reply)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:08:45 -0400 , From: "David Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>" Subject: Alpha systems at 50%+ off/ Message-ID: <veicq0mbieeb25@news.supernews.com>    Yes, You know...   http://www.islandco.com   . We are sure our reputation speaks for itself ! -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404 # Toll Free in the USA 1-877 636 4332  Tel: 912 4476622 Fax: 912 2010402 http://www.islandco.com  dbturner-at-hpaq.net (Change the -at- to @ to reply)    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:05:33 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: "insomnee_a" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com>
 Subject: Bind 0 Message-ID: <bcaitt$mfe$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  K My ES40 went loopy today so a reboot was caled for and it went OK, except I L have lost my BIND Database. The other machine in the cluster is working fineJ and a standalone unit is resolving DNS. The Bind resolver is active, whats
 going on??   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:19:52 -0400 " From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> Subject: Re: Bind ) Message-ID: <3EE8EE64.8C7316FE@istop.com>    insomnee_a wrote:  > M > My ES40 went loopy today so a reboot was caled for and it went OK, except I  > have lost my BIND Database.   L If you use NSLOOKUP and SET DEBUG and then ask for a host name, what does it say ?   I And in the TCPIP> utility, if you do SHOW CONF NAME, which server does it 
 point to ?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:10:17 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: "insomnee_a" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Bind / Message-ID: <bcato9$ofe$1@titan.btinternet.com>   L Thanks for your help, after much faffing earlier this evening ive managed toL resolve it. however, it has done this before after a reboot (but it wasnt meI tasked with a fix). I will keep note of what you say and be in touch next I time I am able to reboot. (which with the way things are going this week,  will probably be tomorrow!)   
 Thanks :o)  / "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EE8EE64.8C7316FE@istop.com...  > insomnee_a wrote:  > > F > > My ES40 went loopy today so a reboot was caled for and it went OK, except I > > have lost my BIND Database.  > K > If you use NSLOOKUP and SET DEBUG and then ask for a host name, what does  it > say ?  > K > And in the TCPIP> utility, if you do SHOW CONF NAME, which server does it  > point to ?   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 10:40:37 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) D Subject: Re: BLASTed directory locks, timing windows & endless loops= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306120940.69d551e1@posting.google.com>   k "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bc94m7$mg7$1@sparta.btinternet.com>... L > I just don't seem to be able to find these locks with SDA. What am I doing > wrong?  E It appears I gave you a bum steer on the RMS$ lock idea.  Sorry.  See  below.  H > Could you please go to one session and do a $create x.x and then go toK > another session and do a SDA> show locks/brief/name="your choice" or SDA> = > show proc/locks so that I can see an example resource name?    OK.  On node SKYWAY I did:      SKYWAY $ create x.x     This is a test This is a test  > and on second thought did a control-T to get the process name:  B    SKYWAY::PARRIS 12:59:30 CREATE    CPU=00:00:00.20 PF=746 IO=415 MEM=188   D and then just left it hanging there.  In another session on the same node:       SKYWAY $ sh us parris/full :          OpenVMS User Processes at 12-JUN-2003 12:31:05.64:        Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 3  5     Username  Node   Process Name    PID     Terminal 4     PARRIS   GALXY1  PARRIS        248105C1  TNA100:2     PARRIS   SKYWAY  PARRIS        2A800514  TNA8:2     PARRIS   SKYWAY  _TNA9:        2A800515  TNA9:  B Ignoring the session on another node, and looking for the matchingF process name "PARRIS", we know the process ID of interest is 2A800514.3  (This other session we're using must be 2A800515.)       SKYWAY $ anal/sys  %    OpenVMS (TM) Alpha system analyzer       SDA> set proc/id=2A800514    SDA> show proc/chan  >    Process index: 0114   Name: PARRIS            Extended PID: 2A800514G    --------------------------------------------------------------------     6                                Process active channels6                                -----------------------  ?    Channel    CCB     Window     Status    Device/file accessed ?    -------    ---     ------     ------    -------------------- 1      0010  7FBF0000  00000000              DSA99: *      0020  7FBF0020  827DD040             ) $1$DGA149:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]CREATE.EXE;1 *      0030  7FBF0040  824AD200             8 $1$DGA149:[VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]LIBOTS.EXE;1 (section file)0      0040  7FBF0060  00000000  Busy        TNA8:*      0050  7FBF0080  824AD180             8 $1$DGA149:[VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]LIBRTL.EXE;1 (section file)0      0060  7FBF00A0  00000000              TNA8:>      0070  7FBF00C0  82820F80              DSA99:[PARRIS]X.X;3*      0090  7FBF0100  824C21C0             5 $1$DGA149:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]DCL.EXE;1 (section file) *      00A0  7FBF0120  824AD000             = $1$DGA149:[VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE;365 (section file)   '      Total number of open channels : 9.   A We see the open channel to the file X.X.  (Guess how many times I F tried the $CREATE command before I found what I was looking for... :-) )       SDA> show proc/lock  >    Process index: 0114   Name: PARRIS            Extended PID: 2A800514G    -------------------------------------------------------------------- 6    %SDA-I-NOPRLOCK, no locks taken out by this process    SDA>   B Uh-oh, this isn't going to be easy.  The locks aren't owned by the= process.  Must be kept by the XQP.  We'll have to go fishing.   C Most resource names associated with files use some form of the File  ID, so let's find that out:       SKYWAY $ dir/file_id x.x       Directory USRD:[PARRIS]  $    X.X;3                (162261,1,0)$    X.X;2                (162260,1,0)$    X.X;1                (162259,1,0)      Total of 3 files.  > $DIRECTORY gives the File ID as (File Number, Sequence number,@ Relative Volume Number).  These values are in decimal.  SDA will display them in hexadecimal.      SKYWAY $ x = 162261    SKYWAY $ show sym x5      X = 162261   Hex = 000279D5  Octal = 00000474725   B So the hex value of the File Number will be 0279D5.  The RVN is 00B (we're not on a Bound Volume Set), and the Sequence Number will be 0001.   ? In memory, a File ID is stored in an odd manner, because it was D extended at one time.  The order as stored is: File number extensionC (top byte), Relative Volume Number (1 byte) File sequence number (2 D bytes), and low-order 2 bytes of the File Number, which would appear) in order in our case as 02 00 0001 79D5 .   D Another way the File ID may be represented in lock names is the Lock> Basis, which discards the Sequence Number and fits the RVN andA contiguous File Number into a single longword: RVN (1 byte), File = number (3 bytes), which would appear in memory as 00 0279D5 .   B The disk volume name often appears in resource names, so I need to know what that is:      SKYWAY $ show dev usrd   C    Device                  Device           Error    Volume          Free  Trans Mnt B     Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntA    DSA99:                  Mounted              0  USERDISK1       1204379     2   10E    $10$DUA962:   (GALXY1)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA99:) E    $10$DUA963:   (GALXY1)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA99:)   " So the volume name is "USERDISK1".   I pop back into SDA, and do:      SKYWAY $ ANAL/SYS    SDA> SET OUTPUT TEMP.FILE    SDA> SHOW LOCKS/ALL    SDA> EXIT  E and then search TEMP.FILE for the volume name and File ID, keeping in D mind that they may be split across lines or fields in SDA's output. F Since the File ID and Lock Basis have different formats, searching for? the low-order two bytes (79D5) has a better chance of success.  B "RDISK1" proved to be a good string to search for the volume name.  C I didn't find any RMS locks (probably because this file is not open ; for shared access?) but did find some associated XQP locks:  --- ? Lock id:  2E00445D            PID:    00000000   Flags: VALBLK   CONVERT NOQUEUE ? Par. id:  00000000            SUBLCKs:       0          SYNCSTS  NOQUOTA CVTSYS. LKB:      FFFFFFFD.773B5880   BLKAST: 81910158 Priority:     0000  $ Granted at    EX   00000000-FFFFFFFF  $ RSB:               FFFFFFFD.775C6480? Resource:          53556124 42313146  F11B$aUS  Status: NOQUOTA  VALBLKR VALBLKW -  Length   22       20314B53 49445245  ERDISK1 .  Kernel mode       00000002 79D52020    y.....  System            00000000 00000000  ........  
 Local copy --- @ Referring to the "Lock and Resource Usage by OpenVMS Components"C appendix in the IDSM, this one looks like a File Access Arbitration ' Lock.  Its resource name is of the form A F11B$a<volume_name_blank_filled><lock_basis> and it's a root lock = (see, the parent Lock ID is zero), system-owned, kernel mode,  EXclusive mode lock.   Here's another:  --- ? Lock id:  29004471            PID:    00000000   Flags: VALBLK   CONVERT SYNCSTS > Par. id:  01000CA4            SUBLCKs:       0          CVTSYS. LKB:      FFFFFFFD.77452A80   BLKAST: 00000000 Priority:     0000  $ Granted at    NL   00000000-FFFFFFFF  $ RSB:               FFFFFFFD.7713D380? Resource:          79D57324 42313146  F11B$sy  Status: NOQUOTA  VALBLKR VALBLKW .  Length   10       00000000 00000002  .........  Kernel mode       00000000 00000000  .........  System            00000000 00000000  ........  9 Process copy of lock 2400A67D on system 00010053 (GALXY2)  --- F This appears to be a File Serialization lock, and its resource name isD of the form F11B$s<lock_basis>.  Note that it has a Parent Lock with' Lock ID 01000CA4 -- let's look at that:  --- ? Lock id:  01000CA4            PID:    00000000   Flags: CONVERT  SYNCSTS CVTSYS. Par. id:  00000000            SUBLCKs:      13. LKB:      FFFFFFFD.772D5080   BLKAST: 818D57E0 Priority:     0000  $ Granted at    CR   00000000-FFFFFFFF  $ RSB:               FFFFFFFD.77349B80? Resource:          53557624 42313146  F11B$vUS  Status: NOQUOTA  VALBLKR VALBLKW -  Length   18       20314B53 49445245  ERDISK1 .  Kernel mode       00000000 00002020    .......  System            00000000 00000000  ........  9 Process copy of lock 01008C3D on system 00010053 (GALXY2)  --- F This looks to be a Volume Allocation Lock, with a resource name of theD form F11B$v<volume_name_blank_filled>.  This is a root resource (itsA parent Lock ID is zero), and our lock is one of the 13 sub-locks.   C You could probably use either of these two paths, but it looks like ; the easiest lock for you to use is probably the File Access C Arbitration Lock, since you don't have to dig down a level and sift ' through several sub-locks to find that.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:03:35 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>D Subject: Re: BLASTed directory locks, timing windows & endless loops, Message-ID: <3EE93F07.2050903@tsoft-inc.com>   Keith Parris wrote:   m > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bc94m7$mg7$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...  > L >>I just don't seem to be able to find these locks with SDA. What am I doing >>wrong? >> > G > It appears I gave you a bum steer on the RMS$ lock idea.  Sorry.  See  > below.  M Can I get you guys to back up a bit and explain what you're trying to do?  I  . may, or may not, have something to contribute.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:36:43 GMT 1 From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@rogers.com> 4 Subject: DCPS or PCL and Printing Overlay / UnderlayG Message-ID: <v09Ga.68453$G_.63261@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   # Ok, here is what I am trying to do:   L Print an ascii print file created by an application and have a image file be overlayed onto of this text.  I I have installed DCPS for my hp9000 printer and created the queue. I have J scanned in the image of my form and then printed to a file on my PC  usingL PS (poform.ps) and PCL (poform.pcl) drivers.  I move the PS file to my AlphaI using pathworks and then print this file to my hp9000 DCPS printer and it H works just fine. Now the tricky part.  How do I make this ps file into a overlay/underlay.   K I have seen the confidential.ps sample and tested it using my login.com and L it prints ok. I know nothing of postscript so I have no way how to take thisH 344 block file and covert the image postscript information to make it anH overlay/underlay.  Is there not any applications out there that would doJ this sort of thing by parsing the postscript text and allowing these kinds of changes.   G At first I had tried this with PCL and macros with some success.  But I I could not get my alpha to print this file correctly due to file attribute H issues.  At first I tried ftp in ascii but it gave me an RMS-F record toL long error.  So then I try binary but it does not print 100% and plus I needK to change the escape file to add the commands for macro and overlay, once I K do that it then spews page after page of garbage, probably because the file L has lost its 512 fixed length.  So then I tried changing the file before theI binary FTP but still does not work 100%.  I also trying using a pathworks I copy of this file but still not 100%. I even tried zipping on PC then ftp  binary and unzip on alpha.  K Does anyone know to take an ascii print file and overlay some other text or # in this case an image of some sort.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:46:10 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 8 Subject: Re: DCPS or PCL and Printing Overlay / Underlay< Message-ID: <SVaGa.4453$Jw6.3084812@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Jerry Alan Braga wrote: % > Ok, here is what I am trying to do:  > N > Print an ascii print file created by an application and have a image file be > overlayed onto of this text. > K > I have installed DCPS for my hp9000 printer and created the queue. I have L > scanned in the image of my form and then printed to a file on my PC  usingN > PS (poform.ps) and PCL (poform.pcl) drivers.  I move the PS file to my AlphaK > using pathworks and then print this file to my hp9000 DCPS printer and it J > works just fine. Now the tricky part.  How do I make this ps file into a > overlay/underlay.   + It has been a while since I have done this.   I What I did is convert the image in the file to be a macro that is loaded  G into the printer at the start of the print job.  Ideally this would be  D removing the "showpage" operator from it and making it into a macro.  D Due to limitations in the printer that I was using, what I ended up H doing is breaking up the image into a number of macros, and then making 2 a macro that put called all the individual macros.  H I put the resulting file in a printer text library, and had a form load F the macro into the printer at the beginning of that type of print job.  7 Then I had the PostScript Document invoke it as a macro   M > I have seen the confidential.ps sample and tested it using my login.com and N > it prints ok. I know nothing of postscript so I have no way how to take thisJ > 344 block file and covert the image postscript information to make it an > overlay/underlay.   I Once you make the image into a macro, you can manipulate it the same way     as the confidential.txt.  B You can put it in a text library.  DCPS can access addtional text > libraries through a logical name that contains a list of them.  7 > Is there not any applications out there that would do L > this sort of thing by parsing the postscript text and allowing these kinds
 > of changes.   I I used a custom written TPU program that did most of the conversion, but  . some manual tweaks always seemed to be needed.  E The people creating the PostScript document never seemed to remember  I what settings they used, and seemed to want to use a different tool each   time so it was interesting.   M > Does anyone know to take an ascii print file and overlay some other text or % > in this case an image of some sort.   G See the above.  In addition, you may be able to store the image on the  I printer and call it up as a macro.  I was looking into that when I had a  9 change of job and stopped being concerned about printing.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:39:34 -0400 " From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>8 Subject: Re: DCPS or PCL and Printing Overlay / Underlay) Message-ID: <3EE93962.9774090D@istop.com>    Jerry Alan Braga wrote: M > I have seen the confidential.ps sample and tested it using my login.com and N > it prints ok. I know nothing of postscript so I have no way how to take thisJ > 344 block file and covert the image postscript information to make it an > overlay/underlay.        This question comes up often.   G What you really want is the image to be an underlay. (otherwise it will 4 obscure all that you've printed before on the page).  M If you are familiar with VMS, and image in postscript is the moral equivalent K of "type sys$input". The image operator reads X bytes from the input stream H and generates the data. once it's been read, it's gone and the postcriptH engine continues after the last byte read by "image", expecting it to be postscript code.  N The main difference is that postscript doesn't have the ability to go back and reread the input stream.  E So, it is quite easy to have the first page print with an image as an  underlay, the principle is:    gsave 
 x y moveto x1 y1 scale  <parameters> image <image data follows  grestore   <code for the first page text.  N What this does is to same the initial context, then set the stage to place theK image on the page, then restore the original context ("cursor" position etc M etc) and let your normal postscript code write over whatever has already been  written (the image).  J However, the next pages won't have any image background because subsequent1 pages won't have any  code to generate the image      F If you need to print it on every page, you essentially have 2 options:  M embed the image in your postscript file before you begin every page. This can I make your postscript file rather big since the image data is repeated for Q every page. And it requires your application do this when it generates each page.   D The second option is to use "forms". Forms in postcript allow you toJ efficiently place default stuff on a page. However, this requires that theC stuff you want be contained in a postscript function (subroutine).    N The trick is to create a huge array, read your image data into the array once.M Then you tell the "image" operator to read its data from the array instead of I the input stream. This allows you to create a small function that is then ) executed by the form definition operator. H You can then redefine the "showpage" operator to execute the traditionalD showpage, and then start the next page by placing the image onto it.  L Depending on what you image really is, if you could take its original sourceM and generate postscript code (lines, text etc), it would generate a much more + compact piece of code compared to an image.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:38:18 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)  Subject: re: DECnet/SNA stuff - Message-ID: <Fz3lvLmeWyey@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   , "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:/ > On 12 Jun 2003 at 11:05, Rusty Ferrell wrote: F >> I'm pretty sure it's the DECnet/SNA gateway - DECSNA-AA. It's got aI >> BUSS-TAG connection to the mainframe and is attached to the normal DEC  >> thinwire network. > 4 > I thought it was a DESNB -- I had 2 at one time...  F The original DECnet/SNA Gateway-CT (DESNA) is based on the MicroVAX IIF The ChannelServer II (DESNB) is based one of the MicroVAX III systems.  > The DECnet/SNA Gateway-ST software runs on a DEMSA (or DEMSB).  ? All of the above use AUI for connecting to an Ethernet network.    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 12:46:35 -0700+ From: seanobanion@attbi.com (Sean O'Banion) @ Subject: Re: Download service for VMS and Tru64 layered products= Message-ID: <f883d5a4.0306121146.1bec3232@posting.google.com>    Warren,   @ I have confirmed that this now works for us with Mozilla on VMS.   Thank you all very much!  . Sometimes, whining in public does work ... :-)     Sean    ` "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3ee79d12$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...J > obviously the black/blue stuff didn't come through. if you go to the web > site you will see this...  > M > http://www1.aclabs.com and attempt to follow the links to ftp download info $ > (you need to select a product etc) > 	 > -warren  >  > 9 > "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in message ( > news:3ee79a5f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...K > > As a result of the feedback from comp.os.vms they have decided to allow  >  FTP > > access to the kits.  > > ! > > there are 2 ways to do this..  > > 7 > > 1) via FTP command level etc  (browsing is allowed) @ > > 2) via ftp://user:pass@www1.aclabs.com (browsing is allowed) > >    <snip>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:18:05 -0400 & From: "Mike Mabey" <mmabey@cenhud.com> Subject: RE: Forcing ip < Message-ID: <HPEIIECLKCPLCKBAFNLGOEOJCAAA.mmabey@cenhud.com>   > -----Original Message-----D > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]( > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 13:00 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: Forcing ip  >  > ? > In article <c13d5929.0306120739.481c282f@posting.google.com>, ( > mmabey@cenhud.com (Mike Mabey) writes:I > > I have a program (Compaq Fortran V7.5) on my Alpha cluster that sends J > > data to another program on a VAX (not owned by my company, not part of, > > the cluster) by opening a file this way: > > = > > OPEN(1,NAME='VAXNODE"user password"::"TASK=LISTENER"' ...  > > I > > My program then performs periodic writes to the file and the LISTENER ( > > program reads the data from SYS$NET.E > > My question is this: Is there any way to force this all to happen * > > using only tcpip? (not DECNET over ip) > D >    Yes, you could completely rewrite the application, using TCP/IPF >    sockets and supplying a custom server for the remote end that theA >    other company owns, to replace LISTENER, which is probably a  >    simple DCL .COM file. > I >    OBTW, unless you write it into the application and server, you won't F >    need to be bothered with silly little security details like usersC >    and passwords.  Of course, you may hear from the other company E >    when some hacker discovers this interesting open port and stuffs  >    random data in it.  > E >    Or you could run DECnet over IP, which the routers and firewalls D >    will see as ordinary IP traffic (port 700?).  So why do you say >    "not DECNET over ip"? >   F I said "not DECNET over ip" because when I substitute "IP$x.x.x.x" for> "VAXNODE" the OPEN fails (so does "set host" from a terminal.)J I know my end is set up for DECNET over ip since I can connect to my otherG cluster this way. The other company's VAX, which I can set host to on a K "look but don't touch" basis, is running the Wollengong stack which I'm not J very familiar with. Its STARTINET.COM does contain a call to load the PWIPI driver. Is anything else required at that end for DECNET over ip to work?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:41:27 -0400 " From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> Subject: Re: Forcing ip ) Message-ID: <3EE8C94F.DE55FEEB@istop.com>    Mike Mabey wrote: L > I know my end is set up for DECNET over ip since I can connect to my otherI > cluster this way. The other company's VAX, which I can set host to on a ? > "look but don't touch" basis, is running the Wollengong stack     J I am not sure that DECNET-over-IP is compatible between stacks. Can anyoneM conform this ? (*eg: DECNET5 with TCPIP services, interoperating with DECNET5  with Wollongong or Multinet ?   J I think you may want to look at it from a business/management perspective.L Cutting off the DECNET connection at the firewall may end up costing you andI your peer more money to rebuild your application  than just paying to get  decnet support in the router.   N Is your DECNET peer at the other end willing to spend money to also change hisM application ? Does he deal with others who are also runing DECNET or just you > ? Is he feeling pressure at his end to also convert to TCPIP ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:51:49 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: Forcing ip 6 Message-ID: <00A21469.DA1D37E8@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  N In article <3EE8C94F.DE55FEEB@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> writes: >Mike Mabey wrote:M >> I know my end is set up for DECNET over ip since I can connect to my other J >> cluster this way. The other company's VAX, which I can set host to on a@ >> "look but don't touch" basis, is running the Wollengong stack >  > K >I am not sure that DECNET-over-IP is compatible between stacks. Can anyone N >conform this ? (*eg: DECNET5 with TCPIP services, interoperating with DECNET5 >with Wollongong or Multinet ?  J DECNET Phase V uses the PWIP driver, which each stack must provide.  (AlsoK used for TCPIP Decterm connections, as well as Pathworks.)  It's _supposed_ J to be compatible across systems.  However, it's entirely possible that the5 other system in question is running IV rather than V.   N (Multinet Phase/IP, which was Decnet IV over IP, is incompatible with anything but itself.)   > K >I think you may want to look at it from a business/management perspective. M >Cutting off the DECNET connection at the firewall may end up costing you and J >your peer more money to rebuild your application  than just paying to get >decnet support in the router.   Agreed.    > O >Is your DECNET peer at the other end willing to spend money to also change his N >application ? Does he deal with others who are also runing DECNET or just you? >? Is he feeling pressure at his end to also convert to TCPIP ?   K My guess, since the DECnet peer is running Wollongong, is that they're not  + willing to spend a lot of money over there.    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:51:58 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Forcing ip 4 Message-ID: <3N5Ga.9868$945.28742@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  K I have decnet task-to-task running from Multinet to UCX (Alpha to VAX), and 	 it works.    --     OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0    Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) 8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  9 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@istop.com> a crit dans le message de # news:3EE8C94F.DE55FEEB@istop.com...  > Mike Mabey wrote: H > > I know my end is set up for DECNET over ip since I can connect to my other K > > cluster this way. The other company's VAX, which I can set host to on a A > > "look but don't touch" basis, is running the Wollengong stack  >  > L > I am not sure that DECNET-over-IP is compatible between stacks. Can anyoneG > conform this ? (*eg: DECNET5 with TCPIP services, interoperating with  DECNET5  > with Wollongong or Multinet ?  > L > I think you may want to look at it from a business/management perspective.J > Cutting off the DECNET connection at the firewall may end up costing you and K > your peer more money to rebuild your application  than just paying to get  > decnet support in the router.  > L > Is your DECNET peer at the other end willing to spend money to also change his K > application ? Does he deal with others who are also runing DECNET or just  you @ > ? Is he feeling pressure at his end to also convert to TCPIP ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:52:58 -0400J( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Forcing ipl, Message-ID: <3EE93C8A.3080804@tsoft-inc.com>   Mike Mabey wrote:e  G > I have a program (Compaq Fortran V7.5) on my Alpha cluster that sendstH > data to another program on a VAX (not owned by my company, not part of* > the cluster) by opening a file this way: > ; > OPEN(1,NAME='VAXNODE"user password"::"TASK=LISTENER"' ...E > G > My program then performs periodic writes to the file and the LISTENER & > program reads the data from SYS$NET.C > My question is this: Is there any way to force this all to happennB > using only tcpip? (not DECNET over ip) We are putting a firewallE > between us and them and the decision was made not to spring for thez0 > more expensive firewall that was DECNET aware. > Any help appreciated.t    Q This would have been much more interesting if you would have specified the delta e* cost between the 2 firewall products.  :-)  N First step, go to the decision maker and present the problem to him.  It'd be Q great to be able to tell him/her that the cheapest solution is 2x the delta cost   of the firewalls.P  Q Any reason for not using DECnet over IP?  If it's licensing cost, better compare s< it to the programming costs of re-writing your applications.  M Ok, as Bob mentioned, use socket communications, with certificates, SSL, and  L such.  Client certificates as well as server certificates.  Oh, and they'll J (your partner) will also have to re-write their application to use secure Q sockets.  Tell the decision maker that the partner wants him/her to pay for that e
 work also.   Dave   -- r4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:27:51 -0400g" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> Subject: Re: Forcing ipp) Message-ID: <3EE952BB.24C5BD29@istop.com>e   David Froble wrote:aN > Ok, as Bob mentioned, use socket communications, with certificates, SSL, and > such.   N Out of curiosity, what is the basic way of using SSL for outbound calls ? DoesJ your process connect to the remote node, or does it connect to a local SSLM server and ask it to connect to the remote SSL pier, telling it to connect ton the remote process ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:45:15 -0600s+ From: Marc Rochkind <rochkind@basepath.com>oQ Subject: Re: GNU-izing a Unix System V IPC, signal and socket system for OpenVMS?e5 Message-ID: <oprqn3ppolojfyi9@den.news.speakeasy.net>   D On 12 Jun 2003 09:54:08 -0700, RC Bryan <rcbryan@hotmail.com> wrote:  D > Is there any interest in GNU-izing a Unix System V IPC, signal and > socket system for OpenVMS?  K I doubt that critical mass would assemble for this, because these kinds of O? projects focus on implemented standard APIs (e.g., Single UNIX MH Specification). The overlap between this and System V is huge, but, for B example, SUS has no SIGIO signal at all, to cite just one example.  C I don't know how up-to-date the POSIX layer for VMS is. Until very -I recently, POSIX didn't include System V-style IPC at all, so my guess is r that is doesn't include that.S  I So, the approach to take would be to bring the POSIX layer for VMS up to aG SUS v3 specs (which now requires System V IPC), and then to see what's    missing and how to deal with it.   --Marc   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 15:36:26 -0700$ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)Q Subject: Re: GNU-izing a Unix System V IPC, signal and socket system for OpenVMS?-= Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0306121436.74749e01@posting.google.com>e  , Marc Rochkind <rochkind@basepath.com> wrote:  M > I doubt that critical mass would assemble for this, because these kinds of .A > projects focus on implemented standard APIs (e.g., Single UNIX  J > Specification). The overlap between this and System V is huge, but, for D > example, SUS has no SIGIO signal at all, to cite just one example.  < Interesting.  We tried to conform to standards where one wasE applicable.  Since we have FULL System V IPC support out of the gate,-@ I suspect there would be at least a few people who would just beE users.  If you have a project to port over to VMS, it is a lot easierfE if you have System V message queues available where you are expectingc< POSIX than if all you have is the equivalent VMS constructs.  E From what I know about SUS, it is a lowest common denominator of Unix F functionality.  I can't imagine a system these days that does not haveC some form of SIGIO but I seem to recall that something as recent as  HP-UX 9.x did not have SIGIO.o  E > I don't know how up-to-date the POSIX layer for VMS is. Until very oK > recently, POSIX didn't include System V-style IPC at all, so my guess is i > that is doesn't include that.   E I did not use the DEC Posix layer much but as I recall, it was just aaF bunch of user interface type stuff.  I suspect they dropped it because@ the GNV people were taking over their territory. Neither has any dealings with IPCs.   	 /RC Bryan    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:14:21 -0600.+ From: Marc Rochkind <rochkind@basepath.com>$Q Subject: Re: GNU-izing a Unix System V IPC, signal and socket system for OpenVMS?i5 Message-ID: <oprqoq97mfojfyi9@den.news.speakeasy.net>o  D On 12 Jun 2003 15:36:26 -0700, RC Bryan <rcbryan@hotmail.com> wrote:   [snip] >oG > From what I know about SUS, it is a lowest common denominator of Unixt > functionality.   [snip]  L "Lowest common denominator" (properly called "greatest common denominator") J perhaps applies to traditional POSIX standards, but definitely not to the G SUS. It was assembled by analyzing commercial applications to see what aJ system calls they used, so that it would have 100% coverage of a selected L group of important applications. It has 1117 function interfaces! True, not H everything on every system is there, but "lcd" (or "gcd") is not at all # descriptive of what they have done.-  L Can't comment at all about what you say about POSIX on VMS... not something 
 I know about.t   --Marc   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 18:37:10 -0700) From: machinegunkelley@hotmail.com (Mark)@1 Subject: Re: Help with 3100/98(was help with VMS)o= Message-ID: <b3d4f0be.0306121737.2ddcaea7@posting.google.com>i  k John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message news:<jn3hevc24h9s543ktcoq8aiu77oqcd4l3t@4ax.com>...aK > On 12 Jun 2003 06:09:29 -0700, machinegunkelley@hotmail.com (Mark) wrote:  >  > >Thank you for your replys!nE > >Since the console reports the unit as a KA59-A is this a guaranteeh > >that the CPU is a 98  > H > Well, it is either telling the truth because it has probed the cpu, orJ > telling you merely what is hardcoded into its own eprom (I would not betK > against the possibility that each motherboard has its own dedicated rom).n > L > I checked my own 6.2 system files - they do indeed only contain entries upK > to the /96.  The fact that your system reports a /95 is a little odd, butoK > one can only guess what happens when the probed cpu/mb/rom returns values-L > "out of range".   There are entries for "Unknown Microvax 3100" however... > I > What does the lexical function f$getsyi return for items XCPU and SID ?YM > There used to be some net-available tables of valid values for these, which B > indicate, amongst other things, processor series and generation. >  >  > 	John     B Thank you, I will check this out tomorrow and see what it returns.      Marke   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:48:59 -050081 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> > Subject: Re: Help, can't make Advanced server trust W2k domain' Message-ID: <3EE92D8B.63317E99@fsi.net>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > C > I've just installed a new VMS Advanced Server as it's own domain.- > = > I'm trying to set up a trust relationship between it and ana8 > existing Windows 2000 domain ( such that it trusts the9 > Windows 2000 domain ). When I go into "Active directoryD? > domains and trusts" on the W2K PDC and try to add my advanced-= > server domain as a domain permitted to trust the W2k domain * > I get an "RPC server unavailable" error. > B > I can see the Advanced server domain and it's server if I browse> > through "Entire network" on the W2K PDC and I can connect to@ > shares on the Advanced server by supplying a username/password" > in the Advanced server's domain. > 1 > Any ideas on why I can't get the trust defined?s  = Maybe they finally made AS smart enough to know better... ;-)    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems9 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:15:26 -0500M1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> , Subject: Re: Here's a commercial for you all' Message-ID: <3EE925AE.D9824138@fsi.net>s   Peter Weaver wrote:e >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > >...< > > Experience shows that in matters VMS, hp rarely listens. > >e@ > > In deferance to Warren Sander, however, yes - at times there > *IS* some- > > positive response. > >-= > > Now, if only Carly and her ilk would take an example fromn > the Warren > > Sanderses of the world...  > 7 > Don't forget that we recently saw this announced too;s8 >         For VMS on Itanium [and OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2],
 > bit-to-text = >         translation (what ANALYZE/ERROR used to do) will bel
 > provided. >         by the operating system folks again. > ; > Two examples of HP listening recently. The start of a new  > trend?  
 One can hope.6  B However, if it's only the braves listening and not the chiefs, ...   -- C David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:52:24 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)e6 Subject: Re: How to configure Batch Queues for cluster+ Message-ID: <bcaeko$pvq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  p In article <d7a4f9a7.0306120939.6fd029c0@posting.google.com>, martineaupr1@netscape.net (p    martineau) writes:+ >I have 2 Compaq ES40's with 4CPUs in each.rD >I want to be able to submit batch jobs to a queue and have the jobs& >automatically go to one of the 8 CPUsD >Right now, I can only seem to get up to 4 jobs running on the first >ES40. >The 5th job just waits ...eD >It's like the queue does not realize there are 4 more CPUs it could >use on the other box. > / >How must I configure the queue to handle this?g >l  O Check the queue to see whether it just a normal execution queue which will only0# run on one node or a generic queue.n  N You can setup a generic batch queue in a cluster and have it send it's jobs to; execution batch queues running on each node in the cluster.    eg   Alpha1:sh que/full alpha$batch Generic batch queue ALPHA$BATCH 6   /GENERIC=(ALPHA1_BATCH,ALPHA2_BATCH) /OWNER=[SYSTEM]   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)    Alpha1:sh que/full alpha1_batch + Batch queue ALPHA1_BATCH, idle, on ALPHA1::S&   <ALPHA1 general purpose batch queue>H   /AUTOSTART_ON=(ALPHA1::) /BASE_PRIORITY=3 /JOB_LIMIT=4 /OWNER=[SYSTEM]   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)    Alpha1:sh que/full alpha2_batch + Batch queue ALPHA2_BATCH, idle, on ALPHA2::I&   <ALPHA2 general purpose batch queue>H   /AUTOSTART_ON=(ALPHA2::) /BASE_PRIORITY=3 /JOB_LIMIT=4 /OWNER=[SYSTEM]   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)o  I Just create a batch queue on each system in the cluster and then create ai% generic queue using a command like :--  > init/que/batch/generic=(alpha1_batch,alpha2_batch) alpha$batch  M Jobs submitted to alpha$batch will then be submitted to run on both executionM' queues and hence on both cluster nodes.t  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University           >ThanksE >PMartineau    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 10:39:30 -07000 From: martineaupr1@netscape.net (p    martineau)2 Subject: How to configure Batch Queues for cluster= Message-ID: <d7a4f9a7.0306120939.6fd029c0@posting.google.com>0  * I have 2 Compaq ES40's with 4CPUs in each.C I want to be able to submit batch jobs to a queue and have the jobs % automatically go to one of the 8 CPUs2C Right now, I can only seem to get up to 4 jobs running on the firsty ES40.S The 5th job just waits ...C It's like the queue does not realize there are 4 more CPUs it couldu use on the other box.m  e. How must I configure the queue to handle this?   Thanks
 PMartineau   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:18:24 -0400l5 From: "Bochnik, William J" <William_Bochnik@acml.com>t6 Subject: RE: How to configure Batch Queues for clusterQ Message-ID: <2D75787AAF09C64481BDFD89113BE6D50199B5E6@ac2kama0102.ac.lp.acml.com>0   Could also be the job limit = 4T   -----Original Message-----A From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk]  % Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:52 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-6 Subject: Re: How to configure Batch Queues for cluster    = In article <d7a4f9a7.0306120939.6fd029c0@posting.google.com>, 2 martineaupr1@netscape.net (p    martineau) writes:+ >I have 2 Compaq ES40's with 4CPUs in each..E >I want to be able to submit batch jobs to a queue and have the jobs oI >automatically go to one of the 8 CPUs Right now, I can only seem to get l( >up to 4 jobs running on the first ES40. >The 5th job just waits ..._D >It's like the queue does not realize there are 4 more CPUs it could >use on the other box. > / >How must I configure the queue to handle this?s >O  J Check the queue to see whether it just a normal execution queue which will( only run on one node or a generic queue.  K You can setup a generic batch queue in a cluster and have it send it's jobs > to execution batch queues running on each node in the cluster.   eg   Alpha1:sh que/full alpha$batch Generic batch queue ALPHA$BATCH26   /GENERIC=(ALPHA1_BATCH,ALPHA2_BATCH) /OWNER=[SYSTEM]   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)    Alpha1:sh que/full alpha1_batcho+ Batch queue ALPHA1_BATCH, idle, on ALPHA1:: &   <ALPHA1 general purpose batch queue>H   /AUTOSTART_ON=(ALPHA1::) /BASE_PRIORITY=3 /JOB_LIMIT=4 /OWNER=[SYSTEM]   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)    Alpha1:sh que/full alpha2_batchc+ Batch queue ALPHA2_BATCH, idle, on ALPHA2::r&   <ALPHA2 general purpose batch queue>H   /AUTOSTART_ON=(ALPHA2::) /BASE_PRIORITY=3 /JOB_LIMIT=4 /OWNER=[SYSTEM]   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)   I Just create a batch queue on each system in the cluster and then create ah% generic queue using a command like :-   > init/que/batch/generic=(alpha1_batch,alpha2_batch) alpha$batch  C Jobs submitted to alpha$batch will then be submitted to run on both&1 execution queues and hence on both cluster nodes.-  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University           >Thankst >PMartineaun) -----------------------------------------  The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of  the original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions.L   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:45:08 -0500b1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>I6 Subject: Re: How to configure Batch Queues for cluster' Message-ID: <3EE92CA4.E1B439A3@fsi.net>e  = I don't normally top-post, but I think you're a bit confused.9   p martineau wrote: > , > I have 2 Compaq ES40's with 4CPUs in each.  E You two ES40s. Each has x CPUs (the value of "x" is meaningless), buto you have two(2) ES40s.  E > I want to be able to submit batch jobs to a queue and have the jobsy' > automatically go to one of the 8 CPUsf  G VMS does not currently support this. Any process will use any availablel8 CPU, unless CPU affinity has been set to a specific CPU.  E > Right now, I can only seem to get up to 4 jobs running on the first  > ES40.  > The 5th job just waits ...E > It's like the queue does not realize there are 4 more CPUs it coulda > use on the other box.  > 0 > How must I configure the queue to handle this?  B You'll want to read up on Generic batch queues and batch execution2 queues. Essentially, you want something like this:   Generic Queue:	 SYS$BATCH   0 Execution Queues (Generic targets of SYS$BATCH):  SYS$BATCH_node1, SYS$BATCH_node2  F Each of the SYS$BATCH_nodex queues should have a /JOB_LIMIT of 4. ThisA will allow eight(8) batch processes simultaneously, theoreticallyd keeping all 8 CPUs busy.   ...theoretically...o  H You could do this in your SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM procedure in the SYS$MANAGER path:b  D $ INIT/QUE/BATCH SYS$BATCH/GENERIC=(SYS$BATCH_node1,SYS$BATCH_node2) $ NODE = F$GETSYI("NODENAME")i- $ INIT/QUE/BATCH SYS$BATCH_'NODE'/JOB_LIMIT=4t  E You could look into the F$GETSYI items ACTIVECPU_CNT and AVAILCPU_CNTiE instead of hard-coding the job_limit at 4. I don't have an SMP systemnF here at home to explore that. Make sure this happens after the startup of the queue manager.o   --   David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:37:52 -0400e" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>+ Subject: Re: HP #1 in Servers and Notebooksg) Message-ID: <3EE8BA6D.AF28291E@istop.com>r   Keith Parris wrote: G > Gartner's and IDC's figures vary, but both agree: Times have changed;sB > it's a two-horse race between HP and IBM now; Sun has fallen way6 > behind.  And the trend is toward HP taking the lead.  J "Trend" could be misleading. Is HP's market share increase just a one timeP bump due to the merger/elimination of Compaq ? Or is it a true long term trend ?  N When you consider all the product lines that HP/Compaq have eliminated (or areJ in the process of eliminating) with HP trying to move all its customers toG HP-UX, it makes those statistics give HP a greater market share. But it @ doesn't really mean that HP is growing its overall market share.  M Another thing to consider is inventory. When you compare HP with Dell, HP canaJ easily artificially grow its market share in the short term by growing itsM inventory, whereas Dell reflects actual sales to end users since Dell doesn'ta/ have middle man, wharehouses, or "the channel".   I To me, what is more important is not how many systems were sold thsi past M quarter, but rather how the installed base is moving. If you are selling onlydN to existing customers, I don't care how many boxes you are selling, you aren't' growing the market share in my opinion.o   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 17:20:27 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)m+ Subject: Re: HP #1 in Servers and Notebooksv< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306121620.52135d9@posting.google.com>  S JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3EE8BA6D.AF28291E@istop.com>...t4 > Is HP's market share increase just a one time bumpM > due to the merger/elimination of Compaq ? Or is it a true long term trend ?i   A true long-term trend.d  E And Compaq has not been "eliminated".  When I go to CompUSA, BestBuy,eF or Circuit City, I see Compaq and HP PCs in about equal numbers.  It'sB also encouraging to see PCs from HP priced the same or even better than PCs from eMachines.  P > When you consider all the product lines that HP/Compaq have eliminated (or areL > in the process of eliminating) with HP trying to move all its customers toI > HP-UX, it makes those statistics give HP a greater market share. But it B > doesn't really mean that HP is growing its overall market share.  @ There were actually very few product lines eliminated.  JournadaB merged into iPaq.  Tru64 is being merged into HP-UX.  (The MPE EOL+ decision was made before the merger began.)   E HP will be moving Tru64 and MPE customers to HP-UX.  That's certainly-E not "all its customers".  It's certainly not moving OpenVMS customersm	 to HP-UX.<  E HP's market share numbers are growing because over time it is gaininglD and retaining more customers than its competitors, plain and simple.  O > Another thing to consider is inventory. When you compare HP with Dell, HP can L > easily artificially grow its market share in the short term by growing itsO > inventory, whereas Dell reflects actual sales to end users since Dell doesn't 1 > have middle man, wharehouses, or "the channel".t  F Market share figures like these are based on revenues, which are basedA on sales.  In tight times like these, the channel isn't likely toy" magically "absorb" excess systems.  K > To me, what is more important is not how many systems were sold this past O > quarter, but rather how the installed base is moving. If you are selling only,P > to existing customers, I don't care how many boxes you are selling, you aren't) > growing the market share in my opinion.h  E Market share reflects the total number of systems sold, regardless ofaC whether those are to existing customers or new customers, and it ist@ figures from analyst groups like IDC that allow a customer to beB informed about how each vendor is doing in the overall marketplace relative to the others.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:49:31 -0400t* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: HP #1 in Servers and Notebooksr2 Message-ID: <NXqdneCoR_R3ynSjXTWcpw@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:cf15391e.0306121620.52135d9@posting.google.com.../ > JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> wrote in messageo% news:<3EE8BA6D.AF28291E@istop.com>...n6 > > Is HP's market share increase just a one time bumpG > > due to the merger/elimination of Compaq ? Or is it a true long termp trend ?  >  > A true long-term trend.   H Dear me, I guess we'll be needing *two* sets of pom-poms and cheerleaderG outfits.  Because the facts support JF's conjecture:  HP gained a majortJ one-time market-share boost by combining its share with Compaq's, but it's" been kind of down-hill since then.   >iG > And Compaq has not been "eliminated".  When I go to CompUSA, BestBuy,uH > or Circuit City, I see Compaq and HP PCs in about equal numbers.  It'sD > also encouraging to see PCs from HP priced the same or even better > than PCs from eMachines.  K How nice:  HP has caught Compaq's penchant for losing money on each machinec% and trying to make it up in volume...    >aJ > > When you consider all the product lines that HP/Compaq have eliminated (or arenK > > in the process of eliminating) with HP trying to move all its customersm toK > > HP-UX, it makes those statistics give HP a greater market share. But iteD > > doesn't really mean that HP is growing its overall market share. > B > There were actually very few product lines eliminated.  Journada6 > merged into iPaq.  Tru64 is being merged into HP-UX.   Yeah, right.     (The MPE EOL- > decision was made before the merger began.)@ >b5 > HP will be moving Tru64 and MPE customers to HP-UX.>  F With large bulldozers?  Or is it more likely that the *customers* will decide where to move?A     That's certainlyG > not "all its customers".  It's certainly not moving OpenVMS customerse > to HP-UX.    That I think I can agree with.   >tG > HP's market share numbers are growing because over time it is gaining-F > and retaining more customers than its competitors, plain and simple.  = That's where the pom-poms and short skirt become appropriate.S  I Because in fact HP's market share is *decreasing* except in areas such astI printers (at least until Dell gets better established) and Pocket PCs (atOI least until the Japanese get better established).  So in other areas it's-I clearly *losing* "more customers than its competitors, plain and simple."a   Let's see, where shall I start?c     PCs   E "HP lost PC market share to Dell in Q4, in Europe"  [January 16,2003]t  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7253  L "This disguises some movements too, year on year, with Dell taking 12.9%, HPL losing 12.7%, Fujitsu Siemens losing .9%, Acer picking up 28.9%, IBM pickingC up 4.2%, and the White Box Corporation, the others, gaining 12.2%.".  L Note the start of what will be a common theme here:  IBM and Dell gain share at HP's expense.  2 Europe too limited an area to be interesting?  Try  : "Dell passes H-P for top PC market share"  [April 17,2003]  L http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2003/04/14/daily35.html  B But that doesn't have growth/shrinkage figures, so how about this?  K http://www.cioinsight.com/article2/0,3959,834986,00.asp  [January 17, 2003]o  H "The results are already clear in PCs, the business Michael Dell tackledH first when he started the company in 1984. Today, Dell ranks number one,H with 15.8 percent of the world market in the third quarter of 2002, justC ahead of the newly merged Hewlett-Packard, which held 15.7 percent, J according to Gartner Dataquest. Even more telling, Dell's shipments in theD same quarter grew 20.7 percent over last year, while HP's shrank 3.1	 percent."s  L [HP did regain a slim lead in Q4, but as noted above Dell took it away againJ in Q1 when its business penetration continued after the consumer ChristmasL rush - and as the first citation noted Europe was actively switching to Dell even in Q4.]  I But none of us really care all that much about the PC biz, do we?  So howF about servers?  Oh, my...u     SERVERSd  < [from same citation as the immediately preceding one above:]  G "Dell is also having success selling servers, a business it began goingNI after seriously in 1996. Dell has a solid hold on second place, with 19.2mH percent of the world's server market in the third quarter, compared withH HP's 30 percent. But again, Dell's unit shipments in the quarter were upK 18.1 percent over last year, while HP's slumped 4.8 percent, and IBM's were  off 1.3 percent."o  K "Dell has no plans to stop with PCs and servers. It is marching through thesI rest of the hardware business as well. The company began selling external G storage systems in 1998 and introduced a line of networking switches in,H 2001. In November, Dell introduced its first handheld computer, and justG recently the company announced plans to start selling its first line ofp  printers by the middle of 2003."  K So other HP businesses, both high-margin and low, aren't safe either.  Read H the whole article:  it's worth it.  For a second opinion on the state ofJ that portion of the industry in Q3 last year (the most interesting numbers are near the end), see  J "IBM, Dell dominate flat third-quarter server market"  [November 22, 2002]  5 http://www.bioitworld.com/news/112202_report1589.html   K "IBM also gained share in the lower priced Intel server market. The companyEJ captured 19.1 percent of the market in revenue up from 15.4 percent a yearH ago. Dell also gained share, grabbing 19.6 percent of the market up fromI 17.1 percent. HP shed 4.4 points of market share but remained the overallR> leader with 29.4 percent of the market, according to Gartner."  H Want a broader picture of trends in the server market?  Try this article7 with a multi-vendor chart comparing Q1 '02 with Q1 '03:   L http://cyberatlas.internet.com/big_picture/hardware/article/0,,5921_2215741, 00.html  [June 2, 2003]   J "Once again, at first blush, HP appears to come out on top, with the statsJ placing the vendor in the No. 1 spot in all the key categories - worldwideG revenue and market share, as well as Intel, Unix, and Linux revenue andlE market share. However, a more careful review of these numbers shows awL year-to-year revenue decline in all categories except for Linux servers, andL a quarter-to-quarter revenue decline across the board. In addition, HP saw a4 year-to-year market share decline in all categories.  K IBM, however, also again experienced a year-to-year increase in revenue anddG market share, and Dell, while ranked third in each category (except fore@ Unix, where Sun, IBM, and HP took the top spots), saw consistent double-digit growth."n  G So while HP was able to buy server market share by acquiring Compaq, itaJ definitely seems to be having trouble holding onto it - while IBM and DellH keep surging ahead.  If you'd like an IBM press release (quoting figuresK from IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Server Tracker, May 2003) to counteract someLH of those sugar-coated HP blurbs you may have been overdosing on, you canG find it here (unlike news articles, I suspect they won't mind that I'veF( quoted it nearly in its entirety below):  . http://www.ibm.com/news/be/en/2003/06/024.html  E "HP, which merged with Compaq in May, 2002, lost significant share inrL overall servers, x86 servers, UNIX servers, Linux servers and blade serversI compared with the same period last year, when HP and Compaq were separateP
 companies.  J IBM was the among the fastest growing vendors in terms of its market shareK gains in the overall server market, the UNIX server market, the x86 servera& market and in the blade server market.  K In overall servers, IBM gained 2.5 points of worldwide revenue share in therL first quarter, outgrowing Dell's 1.5 points of share and outpacing HP, which lost 2.6 points of share  H In UNIX servers, IBM was the only vendor among the Top Three Unix serverK vendors to gain market share, adding 5 points of worldwide revenue share in I the first quarter. HP lost 1.2 points of share and Sun lost 1.0 points of  share.  K In x86 servers, IBM gained 1.8 points of worldwide revenue share, outpacing J Dell's growth of 1.5 points of share. In Q103, HP lost 4.0 points of share in the x86 server market.   J In Linux servers, IBM gained 0.8 points of share, while HP lost 4.5 pointsJ of worldwide revenue share in the first quarter. In all, IBM captured 15.6. percent of all worldwide Linux server revenue.  J In the hottest segment of the server market, blade servers, IBM gained theJ number one spot, capturing 24.5 percent of worldwide revenue market share.) In contrast, HP lost 40 points of share."=  F And a few more server market-share-trend citations (confirming the IBME figures presented above and adding a few more details) for those avidl readers out there:  J http://www.esj.com/enterprise/article.asp?EditorialsID=576  [June 5, 2003]  B http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/30964.html  [May 30, 2003]  = http://www.crmdaily.com/perl/story/21681.html  [June 6, 2003]-  I http://www.zdnetindia.com/news/international/stories/83190.html  [June 5,s 2003]u  > Want full-year server market-share comparisons (2001 to 2002)?  ( "IBM, Dell gain but server market falls"  ? http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-985769.html  [February 25, 2003]   B Yup:  IBM and Dell up, HP down.  How about Intel-specific servers?  I "In Intel servers, HP continues to lead with $5.1 billion in sales and 31pG percent market share. But HP, which ascended to Intel-server leadership@G through its acquisition of Compaq Computer in 2002, lost 3.2 percentage.- points of market share between 2002 and 2001.s  L No. 2 Dell gained 1.9 percentage points to reach a 19.6 percent share in theI market with sales of $3.2 billion. No. 3 IBM grew the fastest, with sales'K growing 16 percent to $2.8 billion and a 3.1 percentage-point gain boostingt" its market share to 17.3 percent."  H No joy for HP there, either.  Things *must* be better in storage, right?     STORAGEw  F http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2003/03/03/daily79.html [March 7, 2003]f  I "HP, with $1.37 billion in worldwide [disk storage system] revenue, edgedtK out IBM's $1.34 billion, but statistically, they were tied in market share. H However, HP's market share slipped from 27 percent in the third quarter," while IBM's grew from 21 percent."  = Or, if you prefer to get your data from a multi-vendor chart:t  I http://www.datawarehouse.com/iknowledge/news/news_body.cfm?ContentID=3598  [March 7, 2003]s  L Same story:  HP's storage share got a great bump from the Compaq acquisition0 but is now shrinking while IBM's grows robustly.  H I got tired of Googling at that point, but the results are clear:  whileL there's no question about HP's size, there's considerable question about itsH ability to maintain it - HP's current market-share numbers are high, but5 their trend is without question downward, not upward.l   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 16:48:36 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)s Subject: HP #1 in Storagee= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306121548.682fb980@posting.google.com>y  ? IDC Quarterly Report Affirms HP's No. 1 Position in Key Storage 
 Categories  C HP extended its lead over competitors in total disk storage systemst? factory revenue and held the No. 1 position in other major diskn? storage markets during the first quarter of calendar year 2003, . according to a report issued June 6 by IDC.[1]  D Overall, HP built its lead in worldwide disk storage systems factoryC revenue quarter-over-quarter with 26.3 percent share and maintainedlD its No. 1 position in the total external disk storage system market.  F In the growing market of open storage area networks, HP maintained itsF solid lead position for the third straight quarter, posting 28 percentB share in factory revenue -- more than three points higher than the nearest competitor.k  9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030606a.htmln  B [1] IDC, "Worldwide Quarterly Storage Systems Tracker," June 2003.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:08:10 GMTo1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>n Subject: Re: HP #1 in Storageo1 Message-ID: <3EE931D0.E5DCE1F@firstdbasource.com>    Keith Parris wrote:4 <snip>  ; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030606a.htmlt > D > [1] IDC, "Worldwide Quarterly Storage Systems Tracker," June 2003.  C we just got our first HSV with 168 x 146GB drives.... cool stuff!! eD ~27TB raw and using 1 disk group ~17-19TB usable (after vraid5 for a bunch of LUN's)r   -- p Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:03:30 -0500 , From: Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com>* Subject: Re: HSZ80 / ES40 cabling question, Message-ID: <3ee8eef3$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Z wrote:7 > I have 2 clustered ES40s in a cabinet running OpenVMSe9 > 7.1-2. Each ES40 has 2 SCSI cards.  In the cabinet next13 > to the ES40s are 2 RAID 8000/ESA12000 enclosures.k > 6 > Each enclosure has 2 HSZ80 controllers and 14 disks,9 > arranged as 7 mirrors.  Each mirror in the 2 enclosuresr$ > is also shadowed back at the host. >  > So, the configuration is >   > 1 Shadow Set = 2 Mirrors   and > 1 Mirror     = 2 Disks > 7 > The system is supposed to be wired in such a way thats: > if either ES40 is down (or crashes) no storage redudancy > will be lost.s > : > That is, all disks in both enclosures should be visible,3 > available and mountable to the remaininging ES40.w > ; > But, what we see is that when one system is down, we loseI7 > access to all  the disks in an enclosure, essentiallyw, > losing half of all our storage redundancy. > ; > I think our problem is cabling between the HSZ80s and thea< > ES40s.  Presently, I see that both SCSI cards on each ES40< > are cabled to the same enclosure (one to Controller A, the: > other to Controller B, which A and B jumpered together). >  > ; > I've been through all the hardware documenation that came- > with the RAID array: > 6 >  STORAGEWORKS HSZ80 Array Cpntroller ACS Version 8.3A >  Compaq StorageWorks UltraSCSI RAID Enclosure (DS-BA370 Series)n8 >  RAID8000 and EAS 12000 Storage Subsystem User's Guide' >  Digital StorageWorks EK-HSXSW-WC B01  > = > ...but I can't find a definitive answer for what the properi: > cabling between the HSZs and the SCSI cards in the ES40s= > should be so that I don't lose an entire array when an ES40N: > is down.  I can't even say for sure if this is possible. > ; > Can anyone here point me to another DEC/Compaq/HP public-t> > ation that cover this?  I've already tried Ask The Wizard on > the HP website, to no avail.  I Based on the dialog, I believe that Rob is on the right track and you've h? got a basic cabling issue.  In essence, you want the following:y  + Term-Y-cable-Y-cable-TRI/Y-cable-TRI/Y-Terml%       |       |         |           |e'      ES40    ES40      HSZ80      HSZ80c  I on EACH SCSI bus.  The exact part numbers for the Y-cables and TRI-links  G would be dependant on the particular SCSI controller you have.  Remove .I ALL the terminators from the SCSI controllers and install terminators at OF both of the ends of the SCSI bus.  That way you can shutdown one ES40 G without "breaking the bus."  You may still get a bus init, but you can nH disconnect the Y-cable from either system for service without causing a  break in the bus.h  I You may have to change the device and controller setup on the HSZ80s, it  / depends on how things are cabled and setup now.   L Some information you'd need to provide for further discussion, if necessary:  3 SHOW THIS and SHOW OTHER from both controller pairs 2 SHOW DISK and SHOW UNIT from both controller pairs< SHOW CONFIG and/or SHOW DEVICE from the console of the ES40s/ Line drawing of the current cable configurationi   bobm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:45:54 -0400i* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates- Message-ID: <3EE89222.16053.E9E1F2@localhost>i  , On 12 Jun 2003 at 10:48, Peter Weaver wrote:! > The fact that I passed the testn8 > was enough to convince me that the test (and the whole< > certification by multi-choice test idea) was useless [...]D I admit the tests are pretty easy.  But they're better than nothing.  , On 12 Jun 2003 at 10:48, Peter Weaver wrote:9 > [..] I got the"OpenVMS Systems Engineer" pen out of it.fB When I got my certification, they send me the "Tru64 UNIX Systems  Engineer" pen instead.  *sigh*  ( On 12 Jun 2003 at 12:57, JF Mezei wrote:M > If one starts to narrow the field to only those with a piece of paper, then C > the issue of finding qualified VMS people will become even harder-B Gee, the exam is only $100.  And free vouchers were distributed a  couple of years ago.  ) On 12 Jun 2003 at 2:21, John Smith wrote:/C > Holders of these designation have many legal obligations attachedt) > to their registration as P.E. or P.Eng.t3 So true.  Fortunately, I have my union ticket.  :-)t  
 --Stan Quayle@ Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671u1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147e= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:54:24 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates5 Message-ID: <bcai91$h8al4$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote: >.... > On 12 Jun 2003 at 10:48, Peter Weaver wrote:: >> [..] I got the"OpenVMS Systems Engineer" pen out of it.; > When I got my certification, they send me the "Tru64 UNIXm Systemsv  > Engineer" pen instead.  *sigh* >...  = This was discussed here not too long ago, I had to send three ; e-mails before they finally sent the correct pen. One other ; person sent me a private message saying that the same thingr= happened to him, but I do not recall how many e-mails it tooki' him before he received the correct pen.    -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.t) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:53:25 -0400a* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates. Message-ID: <3EE8A1F5.22374.127B257@localhost>  , On 12 Jun 2003 at 14:54, Peter Weaver wrote:= > > When I got my certification, they send me the "Tru64 UNIX * > > Systems Engineer" pen instead.  *sigh* > ? > This was discussed here not too long ago, I had to send threew= > e-mails before they finally sent the correct pen. One othern= > person sent me a private message saying that the same thingd? > happened to him, but I do not recall how many e-mails it took") > him before he received the correct pen.   E It was easier for me -- I got the Tru64 UNIX certification, and they tB sent me the OpenVMS pen.  Compaq's fulfillment center was not the 3 best.  "Parts is parts" must have been their motto.t  
 --Stan Quayler Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671g1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:43:42 -0400-% From: "AwkEmacs" <awkemacs@yahoo.com>36 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates6 Message-ID: <pan.2003.06.12.19.43.42.255403@yahoo.com>  = On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:45:54 -0700, Cheryl Hoefelmeyer wrote:e  F > Does anyone out there have any exams to administer to job candidatesH > to see if they do, if fact, know anything at all about VMS, and if so,H > are you willing to send me a copy? We are interviewing candidates, andH > we really need to weed out the people who are not truthful about their< > knowledge before any actual interview. Please send text to! > cheryl.hoefelmeyer@premera.com.  > 	 > Thanks!M > Cheryl   Cheryl,n  J I have over 22 years experience with VMS. When we lost most of the OpenVMSI team in 1995, it took me over 3 years to build up a new team of four thatgE were capable of handling most situations. You are not precise in your H request as to the duties of your candidates. Are they to be programmers,I administrators, or perhaps both. In any case, what I have found to be the/  best "questions" goes like this;D Have you, without any senior technical supervision, (perhaps with HPG telephone support however), performed a major upgrade of the OpenVMS OS J and it's layered products? How did you approach this upgrade? How did you J document your work. Was it successfull? Did the system run reliably after J the upgrade? What were some of the most difficult issues you faced during J the upgrade? Can you recall an outage that occurred after the upgrade thatD could have been avoided? How? What process would you change to avoidB further downtime of said system. Do you measure uptime in terms ofG OpenVMS running or your customers application successfully running? Can B you think of a single incident when an OpenVMS upgrade caused yourB customer application to fail? Who do you think is responsible for J the customer application running correctly after an upgrade. Have you everF put on a "patch" that caused a application to fail? What did you do to correct it? Etc...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:49:02 -0400a* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates4 Message-ID: <lK5Ga.9867$945.28706@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  I Of course that's the best way to get the information, but some people areuF really good at talking in interviews, but when it comes to do the real work... D One could answer those questions (though not too specifically), from experience on other systems.  H Finding the right people is not easy. Asking questions like this, plus aJ sample test, can help. But then some people have a good knowledge and work# like pigs (dirty fixes everywhere).R   -- J   OpenVMS 7.2-1, Oracle 8.1.6.0O   SyltremMI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)n8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  : "AwkEmacs" <awkemacs@yahoo.com> a crit dans le message de0 news:pan.2003.06.12.19.43.42.255403@yahoo.com...? > On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:45:54 -0700, Cheryl Hoefelmeyer wrote:t >nH > > Does anyone out there have any exams to administer to job candidatesJ > > to see if they do, if fact, know anything at all about VMS, and if so,J > > are you willing to send me a copy? We are interviewing candidates, andJ > > we really need to weed out the people who are not truthful about their> > > knowledge before any actual interview. Please send text to# > > cheryl.hoefelmeyer@premera.com.e > >  > > Thanks!c
 > > Cheryl >u	 > Cheryl,t >jL > I have over 22 years experience with VMS. When we lost most of the OpenVMSK > team in 1995, it took me over 3 years to build up a new team of four thatsG > were capable of handling most situations. You are not precise in yourtJ > request as to the duties of your candidates. Are they to be programmers,K > administrators, or perhaps both. In any case, what I have found to be the8" > best "questions" goes like this;F > Have you, without any senior technical supervision, (perhaps with HPI > telephone support however), performed a major upgrade of the OpenVMS OSmK > and it's layered products? How did you approach this upgrade? How did youeK > document your work. Was it successfull? Did the system run reliably after K > the upgrade? What were some of the most difficult issues you faced during:L > the upgrade? Can you recall an outage that occurred after the upgrade thatF > could have been avoided? How? What process would you change to avoidD > further downtime of said system. Do you measure uptime in terms ofI > OpenVMS running or your customers application successfully running? CancD > you think of a single incident when an OpenVMS upgrade caused yourC > customer application to fail? Who do you think is responsible forIL > the customer application running correctly after an upgrade. Have you everH > put on a "patch" that caused a application to fail? What did you do to > correct it? Etc... >e >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:47:51 -0400e" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates( Message-ID: <3EE8F4F1.30C4F9A@istop.com>  N If you are hiring a system manager for VMS, I think that experience and systemF management skills and perhaps more important than VMS specific skills.  L If the person is called to single handly manage a disaster tolerant, missionL critical cluster with nodes in 94 cities using different fibre technologies,L SANs etc, then you need a totally different interview than if you are hiringN some guy to be part of a team or some guy to manage a small operation based on VMS with 1 or 2 nodes.  . For me, a some questions I would ask would be:  G "what is your opinion on using indexed files versus database systems ?"E     or:M  H "In what manual would you find the documentation on the terminal driver"   or:c  N "during system startup, where do you prefer to include the application startup commands ? and why ?"p  ) (eg: sysman versus systartup_vms debate).l  I I am not sure if asking about one,s editor religion is legal or not in anr interview though.e; (edt or tpu, or if you are interviewing kilgallen, "teco".)   M There are ways to ask someone in a way that makes it look like you are askingoM about his management style for VMS systems, which also confirms his knowledgei about the system.n   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 15:59:07 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0306121459.6a79fe2b@posting.google.com>i  w texascheryl@hotmail.com (Cheryl Hoefelmeyer) wrote in message news:<7112dd15.0306111645.7db403ad@posting.google.com>...iF > Does anyone out there have any exams to administer to job candidatesH > to see if they do, if fact, know anything at all about VMS, and if so,H > are you willing to send me a copy? We are interviewing candidates, andH > we really need to weed out the people who are not truthful about their< > knowledge before any actual interview. Please send text to! > cheryl.hoefelmeyer@premera.com.o > 	 > Thanks!u > Cheryl  @ why not contact their former employers?  There is no single test< to verify vms skills. i.e. there are "3" I/P stacks for VMS,@ "2" versions of decnet, and a host of languages ... why not justB call the former employers, and then hire on a simple trial period?? You will find out on their first assignment if they can cut it!t   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jun 2003 00:25:03 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates5 Message-ID: <bcb5kv$gvo7c$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>I  9 In article <Dq8Ga.8432$1w1.698676@twister.austin.rr.com>,S. 	LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes: > G > Any negative information provided by former employers can be grounds r > for a lawsuit.  . "I would waste no time in hiring this person."  & "Nobody works as well as this person."  C I understand there are entire books dedicated to writing references:
 like this.   bill   -- CJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:56:19 GMTR+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)h6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates9 Message-ID: <Dq8Ga.8432$1w1.698676@twister.austin.rr.com>Q  ) Bob Ceculski (bob@instantwhip.com) wrote: @ : texascheryl@hotmail.com (Cheryl Hoefelmeyer) wrote in message ; : news:<7112dd15.0306111645.7db403ad@posting.google.com>...SH : > Does anyone out there have any exams to administer to job candidatesJ : > to see if they do, if fact, know anything at all about VMS, and if so,J : > are you willing to send me a copy? We are interviewing candidates, andJ : > we really need to weed out the people who are not truthful about their> : > knowledge before any actual interview. Please send text to# : > cheryl.hoefelmeyer@premera.com.o : >  : > Thanks!D
 : > Cheryl : B : why not contact their former employers?  There is no single test> : to verify vms skills. i.e. there are "3" I/P stacks for VMS,B : "2" versions of decnet, and a host of languages ... why not justD : call the former employers, and then hire on a simple trial period?A : You will find out on their first assignment if they can cut it!g :e  C Most former employers will only provide the dates a former employeen worked for them.  E Any negative information provided by former employers can be grounds n for a lawsuit.  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emails   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:45:45 GMTh From: Rob.Buxton@wcc.govt.nz6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates$ Message-ID: <3ee924cb.18756656@news>  > On 11 Jun 2003 17:45:54 -0700, texascheryl@hotmail.com (Cheryl Hoefelmeyer) wrote:D  E >Does anyone out there have any exams to administer to job candidateswG >to see if they do, if fact, know anything at all about VMS, and if so,eG >are you willing to send me a copy? We are interviewing candidates, and G >we really need to weed out the people who are not truthful about theirr; >knowledge before any actual interview. Please send text to-  >cheryl.hoefelmeyer@premera.com. >0 >Thanks! >Cherylr  F As someone has already posted, it would really depend on what you want them to do.e# System Administration / Management?6 Programming?  E I've found that in many cases I don't always know the exact answer toEC a question off the cuff. But, because VMS is so well documented thea" main art is knowing where to look.  F In addition, knowing and using Forums such as this and the other areas where information is lodged.  A I've not done or passed the tests Stanley mentioned, but I've gotC1 nearly 20 years experience managing VMS Clusters..D From my perspective, managing Systems is an art, it's about planningF and documentation. (Maybe they can show you examples of documentation)  ? Try and determine where they've added value to an organisation.m  F It may be that you'll need to rely on intuition for this one, dig into@ their answers and try and question specifics.  See how much they squirm or not.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:16:39 +0200oB From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates7 Message-ID: <3EE925F7.14CA@this.mailaddress.is.invalid>    Cheryl Hoefelmeyer wrote:e > F > Does anyone out there have any exams to administer to job candidatesH > to see if they do, if fact, know anything at all about VMS, and if so,H > are you willing to send me a copy? We are interviewing candidates, andH > we really need to weed out the people who are not truthful about their< > knowledge before any actual interview. Please send text to! > cheryl.hoefelmeyer@premera.com.i   There is a quiz at : D%  http://www.jcameron.com/vms/quiz.htms   Also one here : ,  http://networkessentials.com/certified/vms/   --  % ME    4 Right out of 20 Questions :-(e Posted by news://news.nb.nud   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:24:19 +0200a$ From: Felix Deichmann <f.dei@web.de>* Subject: Looking for MAGMA 4 DMA/8 drivers/ Message-ID: <bcanhj$91k$03$1@news.t-online.com>    Hi.   I I just picked up a DEC 3000/300LX with a MAGMA 4 DMA/8 serial controller IC in one of the TurboChannel slots. I need a working driver for this  . device, which is no longer supported by MAGMA.B I think there were also problems with the driver under VMS > 6.2, H because a 6.2 driver was the last one made available, but the source is  now public, afaik.   Help would be appreciated    Felixa   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:06:53 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>a/ Subject: Re: mail to news gateways for OpenVMS? < Message-ID: <hdbGa.4461$Jw6.3088126@news1.news.adelphia.net>   David D Miller wrote:D > John > : > Check out MX at ftp://ftp.madgoat.com/mx/mx042/mx042.zip  G Thanks.  A brief look at it does not show any news gateway software in g
 it though.   -JohnM wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:11:17 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>m/ Subject: Re: mail to news gateways for OpenVMS?r< Message-ID: <phbGa.4467$Jw6.3088803@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Michael Unger wrote:/ > On 10-Jun-2003 19:18, John E. Malmberg wrote:h > L >>I am looking for information on bidirectional news to e-mail gateways that >>will run on OpenVMS. > A > What about contacting Mark Berryman, the "owner" of "Info-VAX"? # > (Perhaps he will jump in anyway.)e  @ I have e-mailed him once already about this, and I got no reply.    B So far in my research I have discovered that it appears that most I gateways are using a script to to use a news reader to read the files in HC to a text file, and then submit them to e-mail, and to also do the  & reverse with a program to read e-mail.  I It looks like I already have most of the tools needed to do the job, but  B I was looking for a canned tool that would not really need to use  temporary files.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:50:49 -0700s From: Jason Brady <>Y Subject: Re: More X-10 software available.  Examples of intermittent real-time device conq8 Message-ID: <7b4iev41ven25b9a5j1fs6ns447gtd5opl@4ax.com>  	 Hi Fabio,   E I haven't worked with the imaging side of X-10 technology.  HopefullyrC someone in this group can answer your questions.  (You must receivem, those ubiquitous X10.com pop-up ads, too!)     Regards, Jason   7 On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Fabio Cardosoy! <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:o   >Hmmm ! Sounds interesting ! r >wK >May I use a DS-10L as a media server (fast disks) with these X-10 cameras aL >or another with better resolution/zoom (those with joystick controls, like M >used in stadiums) ?  Is there a MPEG software to record and save the images nO >under OVMS ? Should be nice to have an OpenVMS cluster  with Volume Shadow to aN >save videos for security purpose ....  by the way : Is there a video capture 2 >PCI card for alphas with OVMS drivers/software ?  >  >a >  >s >Regards >s >FC   & [original message deleted for brevity]   >===== >==========================  >Fbio dos Santos Cardosot >OpenVMS System ManagerE >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brn >==========================g >e# >__________________________________i >Do you Yahoo!?.A >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).8 >http://calendar.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:58:26 -0700t From: Jason Brady <>Y Subject: Re: More X-10 software available.  Examples of intermittent real-time device con 8 Message-ID: <5f4iev82jd612c95lndonc6h5lqf9cnuib@4ax.com>   Hi Mark,  A Thanks!  Developing this software has been an enjoyable learning 2? experience.  I got a thrill watching my system respond to real-f3 time events (in a way that only a true nerd could).o  D There's so much more that could be done with X10_MONITOR and _TIMER:  %   - More sophisticated user interfacee8   - Option to use RMS files in place of the Rdb database,   - Enhanced startup and shutdown procedures,   - E-mail a user when selected events occur?   - Support other X-10 controllers (CP290, Home Director, etc.)l&   - Expanded X-10 commands (dim, etc.)   Other thoughts:   C Using a relational database vastly simplifies programming IMHO.  InaB most cases I found table I/O through SQL easier to work with than E standard file I/O.  The downside is the cost to obtain DBMS software;b% there's also a slight learning curve.   D I'm impressed with OpenVMS' system service and RTL routines and the @ ease with which the calling standard allows programs written in E multiple languages to interact.  I've experimented with MACRO, C and  F COBOL routines calling each other.  Once the data types and structuresD are synchronized the process is practically seamless.  You'll noticeB that lots of SYS$ and LIB$ routines are called from my COBOL code. Not at all difficult to do.e  E Non-X10 applications -- One could clone the X10_MONITOR program, and PF with appropriate modifications, monitor a home alarm system, UPS power= supply, amateur weather station, etc.  Lots of possibilities!d  D In fact, I eventually want to construct a home-built seismograph andE use my Alphaserver to sample and log data from it.  This application  @ requires a different approach because X10_MONITOR is designed toD handle intermittent data, not rapid sampling or a continuous stream 0 of data.  That will be an interesting challenge!   Regards, Jasone    - On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:31:46 GMT, "Mark Buda" ) <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> wrote:    >o ><Jason Brady> wrote in messageg3 >news:o1leevc2efokavej4vosa9aegq6k16314g@4ax.com...i >>H >> I've posted more software in the X10_MONITOR series to Encompasserve,I >> (http://eisner.encompasserve.org) VMS conference topics 3064.31 to 42.,H >> You'll find source code, documentation and everything you need to getI >> up and running.  This system has been controlling several lights in myaE >> home for the past month and been problem-free.  I highly recommend H >> Marrick Ltd's LynX-10 controller; however, the software can be easilyC >> modified to function with other types of controllers employing a  >> serial computer interface.  >n >oI >Well done!  I look forward to trying it out!  This seems like a good onea >for Sue to set up a demo of!    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:31:36 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>1Y Subject: Re: More X-10 software available.  Examples of intermittent real-time device con2H Message-ID: <IX8Ga.73897$j9%.33767@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   <Jason Brady> wrote in message2 news:5f4iev82jd612c95lndonc6h5lqf9cnuib@4ax.com...
 > Hi Mark, >-B > Thanks!  Developing this software has been an enjoyable learningA > experience.  I got a thrill watching my system respond to real-h5 > time events (in a way that only a true nerd could).l >aF > There's so much more that could be done with X10_MONITOR and _TIMER: >e' >   - More sophisticated user interface : >   - Option to use RMS files in place of the Rdb database. >   - Enhanced startup and shutdown procedures. >   - E-mail a user when selected events occurA >   - Support other X-10 controllers (CP290, Home Director, etc.),( >   - Expanded X-10 commands (dim, etc.) >e > Other thoughts:o >.E > Using a relational database vastly simplifies programming IMHO.  InaC > most cases I found table I/O through SQL easier to work with than = > standard file I/O.  The downside is the cost to obtain DBMSe	 software;i' > there's also a slight learning curve.y >rE > I'm impressed with OpenVMS' system service and RTL routines and theuA > ease with which the calling standard allows programs written innF > multiple languages to interact.  I've experimented with MACRO, C and= > COBOL routines calling each other.  Once the data types and2
 structuresF > are synchronized the process is practically seamless.  You'll noticeD > that lots of SYS$ and LIB$ routines are called from my COBOL code. > Not at all difficult to do.r > F > Non-X10 applications -- One could clone the X10_MONITOR program, andB > with appropriate modifications, monitor a home alarm system, UPS powere? > supply, amateur weather station, etc.  Lots of possibilities!   C That's an interesting concept to have this on a real platform. Mostd= monitored home alarm systems (the one's you pay $25/month foroE monitoring services) run on Windows platforms. Many seem to be almostpF fly-by-night operations but somehow manage to get UL certification forF insurance certificates to be handed out (not all are mom'n'pop shops -A there are some pretty reputable names in the businesses like ADT,s Chubb, Brinks, and others).o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:57:18 -0400a" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>2 Subject: Re: Motif 1.3, Euro sign not standard ?!?) Message-ID: <3EE8BEF9.DD692F89@istop.com>s   Bob Koehler wrote:G >    I'm reading it via putty, and ANUNEWS, which displays it as "=A4". A >    I believe is I was using a DECterm instead of putty it wouldi9 >    come out better (other characters have in the past),e  K Since the origins of email/news on internet was limited to 7 bit characterscM (with all bytes potentially having their high order bit chopped off somewhere.M in transit, one had to make sure that you chopped off the high order bit in ai^ nice way before sending it to the net, hence, uuencode, base64 encoding, and quoted-printable.  G In the above example, =A4 is part of the quoted-printable encoding. ThetI contents of the original message are encoded to ensure that no characterswM above 127 is present in the actual data transmitted, and that no line exceeds.N about 75 characters. Any original line exceeding this will be transmitted as 2K lines with the first one ending with "=" so that the receiving software canm re-assemble it.t  K quoted-printable, contrary to base64 encoding still amkes it possible for a K reader whose software is not quoted-printable aware to read the crux of the / message, albeit with the =A4 sprinkeled around.3  L This isn't a question of what terminal emulator you use. It is a question ofM whether your newsreader has the ability to convert a quoted-printable contentoJ back to its original, or whether it displays quoted printable encoded text& without conversion to original format.  K Note that for a number of years now, 8bit characters have transited more or G less safely on the net since writers of the SMTP and NNTP software havenF realised that there was no point in performing surgery on bytes duringI transit. It is essentially a question of ensuring that characters are notb@ treated as signed entities (unfortunatly the default for DEC C).   As a signed entity  < 0 as an unsigned entity   > 0  I consider code such as  while ( mygetc() > 0) { do something } and you seewG where code can break if it gets an accented character with the compilerrL treating char as signed entities, whereas the code works fine when chars are treated as unsigned.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 18:20:42 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 2 Subject: Re: Motif 1.3, Euro sign not standard ?!?3 Message-ID: <Rsq9x2baPwQY@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  \ In article <bcaa3k$guf74$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:. > On 12-Jun-2003 15:32, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > U >> In article <01KX052QGPCYAM67GX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig writes:e
 >>>> [...] >>>>M >>>> I have never ever seen that currency symbol used as such, or for anythi=- >>> ngL >>>> other than a dingbat or a little sun symbol.  I guess that's why it was >>>> recycled into the euro. >>>  >>> Here it is: =A4 .s >> DG >> Are you perhaps presuming that everyone reads comp.os.vms with a webo >> browser ? > J > Phillip has an additional "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1"F > header in his mail; the "currency" character is visible. You, Larry,G > have no "Content-Type" header; the "currency" ist displayed as "=A4",o > apparently the ASCII value.n  . I am not using email.  I am using a newsgroup.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 11:04:28 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)i3 Subject: OpenVMS Success Story: Partners HealthCares= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306121004.30327735@posting.google.com>g  F HP delivers adaptive infrastructure for medical network's life-support systemst  D Boston-based Partners HealthCare System, one of the nation's leadingF integrated health care delivery organizations, is using HP AlphaServer? systems running the OpenVMS operating system to consolidate itstA billing and administrative operations and upgrade performance for-@ intensive transactions. The fifteen HP AlphaServer ES40 and GS80D systems support several administrative applications and a healthcareD information system. The Partners HealthCare System's IT network also= includes more than 640 ProLiant servers which, along with themD AlphaServer systems, run critical medical systems to provide doctorsC with quick access to lab results and confidential patient data. ThesC network also enables the affiliated hospitals, medical centers, andi@ specialty facilities that comprise Partners Healthcare System toB deliver total quality care and billing efficiency through accurateF documentation of patient records. As part of the solution, HP ServicesC installed a 20-terabyte StorageWorks SAN with an Enterprise ModularaD Array 12000 system to centralize management and consolidate storage.B For disaster tolerance, Partners HealthCare System plans to mirror? critical applications between Massachusetts General and Brigham.D Hospitals using HP OpenView Storage Virtual Replicator software, andB augment disk and tape backups across the two campuses. To read theS full story, go to http://h18000.www1.hp.com/casestudies/stories/partners/story.htmlt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:01:37 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 7 Subject: RE: OpenVMS Success Story: Partners HealthCareeR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058974@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com]=20n > Sent: June 12, 2003 2:04 PMe > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como5 > Subject: OpenVMS Success Story: Partners HealthCaree >=20 >=20> > HP delivers adaptive infrastructure for medical network's=20 > life-support systems >=20A > Boston-based Partners HealthCare System, one of the nation's=20d> > leading integrated health care delivery organizations, is=20? > using HP AlphaServer systems running the OpenVMS operating=20e9 > system to consolidate its billing and administrative=20n5 > operations and upgrade performance for intensive=20E; > transactions. The fifteen HP AlphaServer ES40 and GS80=20g> > systems support several administrative applications and a=20; > healthcare information system. The Partners HealthCare=20a= > System's IT network also includes more than 640 ProLiant=20e; > servers which, along with the AlphaServer systems, run=20tB > critical medical systems to provide doctors with quick access=20> > to lab results and confidential patient data. The network=20@ > also enables the affiliated hospitals, medical centers, and=20B > specialty facilities that comprise Partners Healthcare System=20A > to deliver total quality care and billing efficiency through=20o> > accurate documentation of patient records. As part of the=20? > solution, HP Services installed a 20-terabyte StorageWorks=20m9 > SAN with an Enterprise Modular Array 12000 system to=20 @ > centralize management and consolidate storage. For disaster=20: > tolerance, Partners HealthCare System plans to mirror=20< > critical applications between Massachusetts General and=208 > Brigham Hospitals using HP OpenView Storage Virtual=20B > Replicator software, and augment disk and tape backups across=204 > the two campuses. To read the full story, go to=20E > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/casestudies/stories/> partners/story.htmli >=20   Re: success stories ..  C The new GS1280 / VMS V7.3-1 Bank of Austria testimonial can also bea	 found at:eD http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/bank-austria/bankaus.pdf     Regardsl  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660O Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)n OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 14:24:17 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)h& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death3 Message-ID: <t0pE31KzxS4O@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  N In article <3EE81C1A.9A938670@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:J >>         Point is Deerfield has Opteron stomped when it comes to a lower. >>         powered higher performing HPC part. >  > L > Woopty doo. Deerfield is even more vapourware than Madison that isn't even > officially out yet.r > < 	So?  4-way Opterons aren't out yet ... and yet... you would@ 	think they are about to take over the world.  That Deerfield is 	out in 3 weeks.  % 		[snip mourning the murder of Alpha]y   				Robi   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:11:13 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>e& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death2 Message-ID: <B75Ga.2480$963.1342@news.cpqcorp.net>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messagee/ news:bc7reb$g4jdu$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de...:4 > In article <m5JFa.2370$KS1.2235@news.cpqcorp.net>,= > "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com> writes:  > >EJ > >                                                                    Why won't@J > > Sun?  They might - but they need to watch out to not cause a revolt by the15 > > Sparc users (like what we are having with Alpha).i >rH > This is the second time I have seen you mention this concept.  Doesn'tF > history show quite the opposite?  Sun has done Solaris for x86 for aJ > long time.  They tried to stop once but rather than an outcry of supportG > from the SPARC users there was a massive voice calling for it to come9L > back.  And do you know what?  Sun heard the cry and responded by releasingI > the latest version of Solaris for x86.  I expect if there is a customer K > demand for Solaris/Opteron then Sun will realease one.  Of course, in theuK > meantime Solaris/x86 can be run on the system until it's ready.  Seems tos meE > that Sun is already positioned to take advantage of  the situation.  >t  L Sun dipped their toes into a 32-bit, x86 market with Solaris.  They found itG unprofitable.  But the customers who got hooked on it screamed and theyiH revived it.  That has very little comparison to what would happen if SunJ were to drop Sparc.  Their (marginally) profitable business would hear theL same screams 1000x.  But if they don't drop Sparc, then why would they spendF the engineering dollars to do x86-64?  What does it buy them except toL potentially bleed Sparc users, while they are still spending money on Sparc.C Sure, they could try and do both x86-64 and Sparc and sell 2 64-bittH platforms - but do they have the finincial resources to do that for very long?h  G They could make the same type of decision that Compaq made.  Kill SparcoK (perhaps not in public), create an x86-64 version, and then tell the world.mK It could happen.  But I doubt such a plan could be kept secret long enough.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:28:11 -0400s" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death) Message-ID: <3EE8F056.14F7BFA2@istop.com>    Rob Young wrote:E >         So?  4-way Opterons aren't out yet ... and yet... you wouldeI >         think they are about to take over the world.  That Deerfield is6 >         out in 3 weeks.5   Ok, please educate me.   I though that the order was :    Merced McKinley Madison 
 Deerfield.  ' Or does Deerfield come before Madison ?-    N In any event: When IA64 was talked about, folks were saying "wait until MercedM comes out, it will be great. When Merced came out, because it was so late, it6K was a real dud compared to others. Then we were told "wait until McKinley".HL McKinley was not impressive compared to its competitors. Now, we are told toD wait for (Madison | Deerfield). What will it be like compared to its
 competitors ?s  L Without opteron in the game, IA64 is about as impressive as Sparc. And SparcL probably ships more than IA64. And when you add the POTENTIAL of opteron, it may give IA64 a very hard time..  M I have no idea how opteron will do in real life. But I see more potential forlN it than I do for IA64. Mostly because a single chip can battle both the wintel= market and the server market. IA64 can only do server market.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 20:53:48 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)u& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death3 Message-ID: <diMO18YpJ3fR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <3EE8F056.14F7BFA2@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:F >>         So?  4-way Opterons aren't out yet ... and yet... you wouldJ >>         think they are about to take over the world.  That Deerfield is >>         out in 3 weeks. >  > Ok, please educate me. >  > I though that the order was :r >  > Merced
 > McKinley	 > Madison  > Deerfield. > ) > Or does Deerfield come before Madison ?  >   > 	Same time.  Mike Magee gets handed Intel release information A 	(somehow).  He often points back about how he talked about a CPUo? 	coming out months before.  With the intro aside, he says this:m  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9766  ( By Mike Magee: Friday 30 May 2003, 16:17  M THE MADISON successor to the Itanium 2 processor is set to be launched on thet; 30th of June, according to sources close to the chip giant.p  O At launch, the Madison will come in at three speeds, 1.5GHz, 1.4GHz and 1.3GHz.aK The first of these will have 6MB of cache, the second 4MB of cache, and the-D third 3MB of cache. This last chip was formerly codenamed Deerfield.   > P > In any event: When IA64 was talked about, folks were saying "wait until MercedO > comes out, it will be great. When Merced came out, because it was so late, ittM > was a real dud compared to others. Then we were told "wait until McKinley".gN > McKinley was not impressive compared to its competitors. Now, we are told toF > wait for (Madison | Deerfield). What will it be like compared to its > competitors ?  >   
 	Better than.o  = 	Historically, it is rare that a CPU takes the world by storm.A 	on intro.  Sparc was a very good processor when introed in 1988.rD 	It was significantly faster and cheaper than VAX CPUs.  We know the 	rest of the story.i  N > Without opteron in the game, IA64 is about as impressive as Sparc. And SparcN > probably ships more than IA64. And when you add the POTENTIAL of opteron, it! > may give IA64 a very hard time.6  ? 	My new word - Sun won't dare bifurcate their server offerings.7= 	You can't serve two masters.  So who is the mystery tier onea: 	OEM that will be pushing Opteron?  Sun?  Dell?  HP?  IBM?6 	Without tier 1 support, it really won't be going far.  O > I have no idea how opteron will do in real life. But I see more potential for P > it than I do for IA64. Mostly because a single chip can battle both the wintel? > market and the server market. IA64 can only do server market.l  > 	Don't know about that.  Deerfield should make for a very highE 	performing mid to low-range workstation part, maybe in 3-5 thousand.m 	The CPU itself costs $1300.   				Robo   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:00:59 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>c= Subject: Re: Problems running a .com file using a Java sockete+ Message-ID: <3EE8BFCD.964AE9BC@pacbell.net>r  
 Tim wrote: >  > Hello all, > M > I have written a socket program to run on our VMS box that I want to use ton > run .com files remotely. > M > The socket program opens a server socket on a known port and just waits fore > connections. > L > Once it receives a connection it reads commands from the client. If one ofN > these commands is 'switch A' then it needs to close the already open version- > of a program and then start up version 'A'.u > A > To do this manually from the VMS console I have 2 .com scripts:r
 >     run.comp >     switch.com > * > So to switch to A manually, I would type >     @run stop  >     @switch Ae
 >     @run > J > All of those scripts work fine at the command prompt, but when I execute/ > them using, (just run by itself for example):f > 9 >     switchParams = new String [] {"iris:[src]run.com"};mG >     BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader((p =m, > rt.exec(switchParams)).getInputStream())); >     p.waitFor(); > M > I read the input from br and I see that the script has run because there is K > a lot of output saying that it is doing certain stuff and the p.waitFor()3M > seems to wait for the same amount of time as the run command usually takes.  > M > However, once 'run' has completed, a new application should have started oneI > my VMS box and there should be an application window along with it, bute > there is nothing.p > J > So what am I missing? I know that as well as parameters, I can also sendG > environment variables to the exec command. So is there an environmentnM > variable in VMS that I need to set? I am from a Unix background and totallylI > new to VMS so I don't know what these are, although I think they may be  > logicals in VMS? > L > Just to clarify - I can run com files successfully that do not start otherL > GUI applications, but when I run a com script that launches a GUI, the GUIN > part is not visible to me. oh yes, and I am running java 1.1.8 and have been, > told not to upgrade to a later version :o( >  > Any help is much appreciated,i > 
 > Regards, >  > Timt  C My guess is it's a privilege problem. The server process you createlD probably does not have sufficient privileges to start a gui window. B Suggestion: add a "show process/priv" to the script you create and0 execute on VMS and report the results back here.   -- n   Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Franciscoi   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:28:22 +0000 (UTC)-, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)= Subject: Re: Problems running a .com file using a Java socketo. Message-ID: <bcanp6$c0v$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  x "Tim" <tim_a_b@hotmail.com> writes in article <vegkovn8natp79@corp.supernews.com> dated Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:17:04 +0200:L >However, once 'run' has completed, a new application should have started onH >my VMS box and there should be an application window along with it, but >there is nothing. >aI >So what am I missing? I know that as well as parameters, I can also sendvF >environment variables to the exec command. So is there an environmentL >variable in VMS that I need to set? I am from a Unix background and totallyH >new to VMS so I don't know what these are, although I think they may be >logicals in VMS?i  J It's possible that you're missing the DECW$DISPLAY logical name (analogousL to the DISPLAY environment variable in Unix).  There are two ways to set it:  ? 1.  Use the "set display/create" command to create a WSA devicepB     $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=display.whatever.com/TRANSPORT=TCPIP9     $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=LOCAL	! system console3   2.  Use the "define" command.  cC     $ DEFINE DECW$DISPLAY _WSA105:	! assuming WSA105 exists already 4     $ DEFINE DECW$DISPLAY "display.whatever.com:0.0"  E I haven't played around with exec() enough to know how it creates theoF process.  Only a few methods of VMS process creation preserve/copy the. logical names.  The more efficient ones don't.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgn> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 11:05:08 -0700( From: rferrell@smcwv.com (Rusty Ferrell), Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts= Message-ID: <9b72a38f.0306121005.6cb69b5d@posting.google.com>h  v "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com> wrote in message news:<MDEGJFAOHGLNLHONIEBMEEEGCLAA.hvanderw@mansply.com>..." > FWIW   decserver 300's do use IP >  > Hank >  > -----Original Message-----D > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]' > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:56 AMD > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt. > Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts >  > ? > In article <9b72a38f.0306111611.7d717407@posting.google.com>, , > rferrell@smcwv.com (Rusty Ferrell) writes: > >iF > > You know, after I wrote that I knew that it didn't sound right. WeE > > have an old SNA gateway that an application uses to get chemistryaJ > > information from our mainframe. Would I be correct in assuming that IT > > uses DECnet? > >d > I > Gee, could be DECnet/SNA gateway.  DEC sold that for a while.  Somebody E > might have done an IP/SNA gateway.  I would assume DECnet until youl > find out for sure. >   C I'm pretty sure it's the DECnet/SNA gateway - DECSNA-AA. It's got apF BUSS-TAG connection to the mainframe and is attached to the normal DEC thinwire network. B I'm having so much fun getting DECnet configured that I can hardly  wait to tackle SNA....<sigh>....   > >eB > > The old DECservers (200's, 300's and 500's) are being used forF > > terminals, printers and serial devices such as mass spectrometers,G > > xray systems, atomic scales, etc. I probably should have been a bitf( > > more descriptive of the environment. > I > IIRC the 200 and 300 can't do IP, the 500 might support it but probablywD > won't boot that way.  You have to have MOM/MOP and LAT to use this > stuff. > ; > > So, looks like my focus in the morning is to figure outoG > > how to bind LAT to the "EWA0" port and get TSM running (I think thetE > > software failed to install since the network wasn't up during the0 > > software installation).h > F > I think LAT always wants to bind to the first ethernet it finds.  IfF > that's not the one you want you can define lat$link before you start > LAT.  F I'm thinking that I might have a port speed problem as well. The DS10LF ethernet ports are 10/100 ports and the thinwire is only 10mb. I can'tB seem to locate in ALPHABIOS or VMS where I can set this speed to aE fixed value, or even LOOK at the interface for that matter. I can seerE the TCPIP interface which I set up on "WE1" (EWB0), but can't seem toaD get VMS to show me what DECnet, or anything else for that matter) isD bound to. Also, when I do a "SHOW NETWORK DECNET" it show me thattheD address is 49.75 and I entered 1.10 when doing the NET$CONFIGURE.COM> setup. I've removed DECnet and reinstalled DECnet/OSI from the> installation CD and it remembered all of the settings from the@ previous installation. Is there some place I can find where thisB information is stored so that I can correct the address? I've been> reading every manual that I can find but haven't had much luckB locating the right information. IF you could point me in the right6 direction I'll be happy to RTFM...again and again.....  * Thanks to everyone! You guys are the best!   Rustyt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:31:08 -0400i< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>, Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts5 Message-ID: <bcagte$h3lkf$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>@   JF Mezei wrote:. >...> > commands to the gateway. (I think it was SNANCP or something like >...   Right.  3 > Considering that those products are probably longo abandonned, I'd sayn >..    Wrong.  5 The DECNet/SNA gateway, DTF, SNA-3270-TE, SNA-PRE andh8 SNA-3270-DSPI and SNA-PRE are all still supported by HP.   -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.e) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New Yorke   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:56:30 -0400a" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>, Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts) Message-ID: <3EE8CCD5.8D2AAD16@istop.com>v   Rusty Ferrell wrote:E > I'm pretty sure it's the DECnet/SNA gateway - DECSNA-AA. It's got a H > BUSS-TAG connection to the mainframe and is attached to the normal DEC > thinwire network. D > I'm having so much fun getting DECnet configured that I can hardly" > wait to tackle SNA....<sigh>....  E You'll need the help of your mainframe folks because they too have to K configure their end of the gateway. (how many LUs, speed of line, etc etc).I  K What sort of exchange is done between the mainframe and the VMS host ? file 4 transfer, or transactions ? or batch job submission.    H > I'm thinking that I might have a port speed problem as well. The DS10LA > ethernet ports are 10/100 ports and the thinwire is only 10mb. .  N I don't recall the answer to this, but if you look at google archives for this  group, you will find the answer.  @ > setup. I've removed DECnet and reinstalled DECnet/OSI from the > installation CDO  M What version of VMS are you running ? What software do you have that requires ( DECNET/OSI ? (or do you mean DECNET 5 ?)  L My instinctive reaction would be to keep the real decnet (decnet 4) which siI simpler (much simpler) and easier to configure, aswell as consuming fewernJ resources and use it only on the local lan to support the SNA gateway. AndH then configure the terminal servers to use LAT and have the MPP requests handled by LANCP.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:57:33 -0400.* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>, Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts. Message-ID: <3EE8A2ED.12904.12B7E48@localhost>  - On 12 Jun 2003 at 11:05, Rusty Ferrell wrote:oE > I'm pretty sure it's the DECnet/SNA gateway - DECSNA-AA. It's got aIH > BUSS-TAG connection to the mainframe and is attached to the normal DEC > thinwire network.,  2 I thought it was a DESNB -- I had 2 at one time...  H > I'm thinking that I might have a port speed problem as well. The DS10LH > ethernet ports are 10/100 ports and the thinwire is only 10mb. I can'tD > seem to locate in ALPHABIOS or VMS where I can set this speed to a
 > fixed values  C At the boot prompt (>>>), SET EWA0_MODE TWISTED will set to 10 MB, a non-duplex.   E Or, add a 10/100 switch.  You should be able to use a transceiver on hB the DEC/SNA box off the AUI connector, and go twisted pair to the  switch.-  
 --Stan Quayle1 Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671n1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147e= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com'   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:17:07 -0400t" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>, Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts) Message-ID: <3EE8EDC0.D9419A0B@istop.com>    Peter Weaver wrote:57 > The DECNet/SNA gateway, DTF, SNA-3270-TE, SNA-PRE andb: > SNA-3270-DSPI and SNA-PRE are all still supported by HP.  J Are they still being developped or just under maintenance ? (also, weren't* they always supported by some 3rd party ?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:24:56 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> . Subject: Re: TK70 tape drive problem - Updatye& Message-ID: <3EE927E8.95358FC@fsi.net>   Adrian Stapley wrote:  >  > Adrian Stapley wrote:c > K > Thanks to all the replies - I have tried cleaning the heads, and also the 5 > small led? sensors either side of the rear capstan.= > L > Error count - does not get reset after a reboot, I have already tried this  G Careful, there! Rebooting *DOES* reset the error count. This is a field=E in the DCB (Device Control Block) and all of the VMS's in-memory datao? structures cease to exist and get created anew once you reboot.t  H If the device has logged new errors by the time you get your first login- after boot-up, then you have hardware issues.u  L > and am currently looking for a utility I remember seeing on an ftp site to% > reset the error count for a device.l  	 ZDEC, eh?n   -- . David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:33:53 -0500', From: Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com> Subject: Re: TLZ10* Message-ID: <3ee8e802@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Mark wrote:MH > We want to replace a TLZ06 with a TLZ10 but according to information I: > found on the net we will need to have STABACKIT COM Vx46 > A > MircroVAX 3100 40/85/96, 88/98 running OpenVMS V5.5-2, requiresd > STABACKIT COM Vx46 > J > I looked around at http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/vax/v5.5-2/# > but didnt see anything like this.d+ > Anyone know where I can obtain this file?a >  >  > Thank you in advance >  >  Marko  D Mark, it looks like this version of STABACKIT.COM may be in V7.1 of G OpenVMS for VAX.  I wasn't able to find an ECO that contains a copy of eG the file for VAX.  Standard recommendation would be to get a CD reader nA so you could use standalone that comes on the CD distribution(s).o   bobc   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 18:33:08 -0700) From: machinegunkelley@hotmail.com (Mark)u Subject: Re: TLZ10= Message-ID: <b3d4f0be.0306121733.7dc5aeda@posting.google.com>   ^ Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<3ee8e802@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...
 > Mark wrote:aJ > > We want to replace a TLZ06 with a TLZ10 but according to information I< > > found on the net we will need to have STABACKIT COM Vx46 > > C > > MircroVAX 3100 40/85/96, 88/98 running OpenVMS V5.5-2, requirest > > STABACKIT COM Vx46 > > L > > I looked around at http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/vax/v5.5-2/% > > but didnt see anything like this. - > > Anyone know where I can obtain this file?. > >  > >  > > Thank you in advance > > 	 > >  Marka > F > Mark, it looks like this version of STABACKIT.COM may be in V7.1 of I > OpenVMS for VAX.  I wasn't able to find an ECO that contains a copy of eI > the file for VAX.  Standard recommendation would be to get a CD reader eC > so you could use standalone that comes on the CD distribution(s).p >  > bob)    4 Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.F We hired a consultant to help us get this box up and running so I will? see if he has V7.1 that we might be able to get this file from.m      Marka   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 11:23:27 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)a. Subject: Updated DII-COE Web Pages for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306121023.2133f359@posting.google.com>   9 New Web pages demonstrate OpenVMS compliance with DII COE  specifications  fD Renowned for its stability, reliability and scalability, OpenVMS hasF been the long-time operating system of choice for defense contractors.E  To reinforce and maintain this position in the defense industry, theaC operating system complies with a set of Department of Defense (DOD)sE specifications known as the Defense Information Infrastructure Commonj< Operating Environment (DII COE) Version 4.2.0.0P4 (DII COE).  > DII COE is designed to provide a common information technology; architecture, to promote interoperability, and to establish < cross-platform capabilities for the increasingly diverse DODB operations.  The DII COE standards describe a "plug and play" openA architecture designed around a client/server model defined by the F Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA). The goal of these standards= is to provide a common user interface, installation, and user . environment across multiple operating systems.  C As part of the DII COE initiative, OpenVMS Engineering has enhancede@ some OpenVMS interfaces commonly available on UNIX systems. This: improves the ease of porting UNIX applications to OpenVMS.  2 New and revised DII COE Web pages can be found at = http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/government/coe/index.html'   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:48:55 -0400s" From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com>2 Subject: Re: Updated DII-COE Web Pages for OpenVMS) Message-ID: <3EE8CB0F.FE1BCDEE@istop.com>a   Keith Parris wrote:w3 > New and revised DII COE Web pages can be found at.? > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/government/coe/index.htmlo  J #The OpenVMS implementation of DII COE is distributed with OpenVMS version 7.2-6C2. The OpenVMSK #V7.2-6C2 kitb is available only to customers and partners involved in bids  with the U.S. N #Department of Defense. Also, because of restrictions imposed by the U.S.State Department, the > #distribution of OpenVMS V7.2-6C2 is limited to North America.  N #However, the changes and improvements to OpenVMS (including industry standard APIs) N #that allow the porting of DII COE  are released in mainstream versions of the
 operating & #system, starting with Version 7.3-1.     M Is there a clear definition of the line between what will become commerciallyfO available and what is restricted to military contractors in terms of features ?u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:58:15 -0500-( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>2 Subject: Re: Updated DII-COE Web Pages for OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <vei8e03amgq502@corp.supernews.com>o  ) On 6/12/2003 1:23 PM, Keith Parris wrote:9; > New Web pages demonstrate OpenVMS compliance with DII COEu > specifications >   F > Renowned for its stability, reliability and scalability, OpenVMS hasH > been the long-time operating system of choice for defense contractors.G >  To reinforce and maintain this position in the defense industry, thecE > operating system complies with a set of Department of Defense (DOD)pG > specifications known as the Defense Information Infrastructure Common > > Operating Environment (DII COE) Version 4.2.0.0P4 (DII COE). > @ > DII COE is designed to provide a common information technology= > architecture, to promote interoperability, and to establish > > cross-platform capabilities for the increasingly diverse DODD > operations.  The DII COE standards describe a "plug and play" openC > architecture designed around a client/server model defined by thegH > Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA). The goal of these standards? > is to provide a common user interface, installation, and useri0 > environment across multiple operating systems. > E > As part of the DII COE initiative, OpenVMS Engineering has enhancedaB > some OpenVMS interfaces commonly available on UNIX systems. This< > improves the ease of porting UNIX applications to OpenVMS. > 4 > New and revised DII COE Web pages can be found at ? > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/government/coe/index.htmlr  B Possibly an inane question:  I have a Q4 2002 OpenVMS/Alpha 7.3-1   release - does it have the mods?  ? Does 1003.2 compliance mean my Bourne shell scripts (which are  @ compliant) will run unaltered?  Is there a Bourne or Korn shell ( distributed with VMS that will run them?  " Does OpenVMS also support 1003.2a?  ? I don't suppose these changes will ever be implemented for VAX?r   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 16:13:26 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: uptime-aliked= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0306121513.5c438486@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<VIlpd$sTmHA9@eisner.encompasserve.org>...^ > In article <03061110464556@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:P > >> I need a program functionally like the UN*X "uptime" command.  Seems to me  > >> that I could write it.t > >>  P > >> Getting the BOOTTIME and therefore the up-time of the machine is easy.  The	 > >> parteS > >> that has me stumped is how I'm going to figure out the rest, meaning the count Q > >> of pending COM[O] processes.  The most recent internals data I've got is for@+ > >> VAX/VMS 3.6, so I'm kinda at sea here.r > >>   > >> Suggestions?> > > R > > For some of us lacking in UN*X could you show us sample output of what you are > > wanting?  Thanks!r > >  > & > nodename_is_here:/home/youngr>uptimeJ >   11:51AM   up 4 days,  20:39,  4 users,  load average: 0.36, 0.61, 0.74 > 	 > 				Robi  > the following with appropriate switches parsed does nicely ...   $ SHOW USERn
 $ SHOW SYSTEMn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:44:43 -0400e' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: uptime-alikee< Message-ID: <howard-5D51EB.22444312062003@enews.newsguy.com>  - In article <12JUN200308492685@gerg.tamu.edu>, )  carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:-  : > This does nothing for you if you are not using Multinet.   But it -does- sound nice.    -- :# Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction!t   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2003 18:53:35 -0700! From: lsk2@hotmail.com (lip song)t& Subject: where to get VAX 7730 system?< Message-ID: <7e2ebc5.0306121753.10d3242b@posting.google.com>   hi,n  F Does anyone know where can i find the above model? can be second hand, may have to get a couple of it.n   lip song   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:08:27 -0400r' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>o* Subject: RE: where to get VAX 7730 system?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058975@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: lip song [mailto:lsk2@hotmail.com]=200 > Sent: June 12, 2003 9:54 PMw > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com,( > Subject: where to get VAX 7730 system? >=20 >=20 > hi,a >=20> > Does anyone know where can i find the above model? can be=20. > second hand, may have to get a couple of it. >=20
 > lip song >=20  G Contact me offline and I may have something you might be interested in.a  G Not quite exactly what you are looking for, but I just finished a largesG VAX 76xx CI cluster (x6) to Alpha ES45 / SAN upgrade and Customer mightrG be interested in letting a few of the old beasties go for not much moreg than pre-paid shipping costs.    Regardsr  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanty Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:18:19 -0400s* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>* Subject: Re: where to get VAX 7730 system?- Message-ID: <3EE8FC2B.1628.28815EE@localhost>j  ( On 12 Jun 2003 at 18:53, lip song wrote:H > Does anyone know where can i find the above model? can be second hand,! > may have to get a couple of it.a  F What's your purpose?  If you need some VAX computing power, you might C be able to use CHARON-VAX, and use modern, off-the-shelf, hardware:   '    http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.htmla  6 [Another Shameless Plug (TM) by a CHARON-VAX reseller]  
 --Stan Quaylew Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147i= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.como   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.325 ************************