1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 14 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 327       Contents:P ** EVIDENCE ELIMINATING SOFTWARE**                                        dddddd Chuckle  Re: Chuckle  Re: Chuckle # Re: Chuckle (Corporate Outsourcing)  CPU Speed of ES40  Re: CPU Speed of ES40  Re: CPU Speed of ES40  RE: CPU Speed of ES40  Re: CPU Speed of ES40 " Re: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems" Re: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems7 Re: Download service for VMS and Tru64 layered products  FC Tape on OpenVMS Re: Forcing ip Re: Forcing ip Re: Forcing ip Re: Forcing ip- Re: How to configure Batch Queues for cluster  Re: HP #1 in StorageP IBM will buy SUN, it's obvious (Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!)+ IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / RE: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / RE: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates - Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates & Re: mail to news gateways for OpenVMS?) Re: Motif 1.3, Euro sign not standard ?!?  New release of MySQL for VMS Problems with SYS$GETRMI# Re: Rookie question for the experts # Re: Rookie question for the experts  Re: TCP/IP Services startup 3 Thanks to all: Cluster unusable by SMBD port scans? 2 Re: Upgrade1: Cluster unusable by SMBD port scans?; VMS V7.3-1 v. Exabyte EXB-8505XL and compression/compaction  X-windows UID decompiler ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 14 Jun 2003 04:19:13 GMT From: fdyhvq@yhd65.comY Subject: ** EVIDENCE ELIMINATING SOFTWARE**                                        dddddd > Message-ID: <3eeaa241$1$28032$ba620e4c@reader1.news.skynet.be>   begin 644 232dfrq1j.txt = M66]U)W)E(&EN(%-E<FEO=7,@5')O=6)L92 M($ET)W,@82!0<F]V96X@1F%C = M="$-"@T*1D))($9/4D5.4TE#4R!#04X@1DE.1"!$14Q%5$5$($9)3$53#0H- = M"E1(15)%($%212!42$E.1U,@3TX@64]54B!#3TU0551%4@T*5$A!5"!93U4@ = M5$A/54=(5"!93U4@1$5,151%1"X-"@T*(2$A(4)55"!42$59($%212!35$E, = M3"!42$5212$A(0T*#0I#;&EC:R!H97)E(&9O<B!D971A:6QS(&]N('1H92!% = M5DE$14Y#12!%3$E-24Y!5$]2#0H-"D-L96%R('EO=7(@8V]M<'5T97(@;V8@ = M:6YC<FEM:6YA=&EN9R!F:6QE<PT*=&AA="!Y;W4@8V%N;F]T(&1E;&5T92X- = M"@T*=W=W+F-L96%N=&AE9&ES:RYC;VT-"@T*5$A)4R!)4R!!($U54U0@4D5! = M1"$A(2$-"@T*=W=W+F-L96%N=&AE9&ES:RYC;VT-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T* = M#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0IE=S5R-#,R-30S-30S = M-30S-30S-0T*-#,-"C4T,PT*-0T*-#,U#0H-"C0S-0T*-#,-"C4-"@T*-#,U = M#0HT,S4T,S4-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"C0S-C!I,&ER971R970]<F5Y="T]97)F = M9WET:W)E=')E=')E=')E=')E=')E=')E=')E=')E9&9G9F1G9F1G9F0-"@T* = M#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0IE<G1R971R971R971R971R971G#0ID9F=H#0IG9F0- = M"FAG9F0-"F@-"F0-"F=F#0IH#0H-"F=F9 T*:&=F9 T*: T*9F1G: T*9V9D = M#0IH9V9D: T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*>71D=6H-"FEG>70-"F9J: T* = M9VAJ#0IG: T*:@T*9V@-"@T*:@T*9VAJ#0IG: T*:@T*9V@-"@T*:F=H#0H- = M"FH-"F=H:@T*#0IG: T*:@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H-"@T*#0H- = M"F5W9G)G:#,R9V@P,C0S.2UE9G1R<&5W:G1R<F5W9V9S#0ID9PT*9F0-"F<- = M"F9D<PT*9PT*#0IF9',-"F<-"F9D<PT*#0IG#0IF9',-"@T*9PT*9F1S#0H- = M"F=F9',-"F<-"@T*9F0-"F<-"F9D87-D<V%D<V%D<V%D#0IF9',-"F<-"F9D 
 )#0IG#0IF9'-G  end    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:20:13 -0700 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>  Subject: Chuckle( Message-ID: <3EEA15DD.5020309@rdrop.com>  G Sorry, I can't explain w/o giving it away, you'll just have to go look.   : http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=855   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:56:44 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>  Subject: Re: Chuckle+ Message-ID: <3EEA1E6C.998F02C2@pacbell.net>    Dean Woodward wrote: > I > Sorry, I can't explain w/o giving it away, you'll just have to go look.  > < > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=855  1 I wouldn't be too supprised if this happens soon. . And no one would be happier to see it than me! Watch out Carly.   --     Have VMS, Will Travel  Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:42:19 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Chuckle) Message-ID: <3EEA2914.772394DC@istop.com>    Don Sykes wrote:> > > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=855 > 3 > I wouldn't be too supprised if this happens soon. 0 > And no one would be happier to see it than me! > Watch out Carly.  J Imagine if HP's CEO and board were outsourced to Digital India :-) PerhapsN then we'd see tons of VMS advertising, and the revival of ALL-IN-1 and all theF other products that are now in maintenance mode by indian contractors.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2003 13:29:17 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: Chuckle (Corporate Outsourcing)3 Message-ID: <PNLNhmZMCLHI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <3EEA15DD.5020309@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:I > Sorry, I can't explain w/o giving it away, you'll just have to go look.  > < > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/viewbydate.asp?id=855  8 I would say it is a cartoon about corporate outsourcing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:04:48 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: CPU Speed of ES401 Message-ID: <03061313044878@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   A Anyone know how to determine the CPU speed of an ES40 (remotely)?   	 From DCL: 
    $ SHOW CPU      $    MYNODE, a Compaq AlphaServer ES40H    Multiprocessing is ENABLED. Streamlined synchronization image loaded.3    Minimum multiprocessing revision levels: CPU = 1          PRIMARY CPU = 00     CPU sets:       Active         00 01       Configure      00 01       Potential      00 01       Autostart      00 01       Failover       None   	 From ECP:     Node Name           : MYNODE     CPU Type            : 1818      OS                  : OpenVMS   Is this 500 Mhz or a 667 Mhz?    Thanks in advance.     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jun 2003 13:27 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: CPU Speed of ES40- Message-ID: <13JUN200313270222@gerg.tamu.edu>   , brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes...B }Anyone know how to determine the CPU speed of an ES40 (remotely)? } 
 }From DCL: }   $ SHOW CPU [...]  }Is this 500 Mhz or a 667 Mhz? }  }Thanks in advance.  }  }J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n   Try   	 $ ana/sys  SDA> clue config  D Near the top of the first page of info should be a "Cycle time" itemC reported in in nanoseconds and a MHz value in parenthesis after it.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:38:15 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: CPU Speed of ES401 Message-ID: <03061313381541@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    > Try  >  > $ ana/sys  > SDA> clue config > F > Near the top of the first page of info should be a "Cycle time" itemE > reported in in nanoseconds and a MHz value in parenthesis after it.  > 
 > --- Carl  ? Thanks - I knew it was somewhere in SDA - and I have seen it...      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:56:20 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: CPU Speed of ES40R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058984@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: John Brandon [mailto:brandon@dalsemi.com]=20 > Sent: June 13, 2003 2:05 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: CPU Speed of ES40 >=20 >=20C > Anyone know how to determine the CPU speed of an ES40 (remotely)?  >=20 > From DCL:  >    $ SHOW CPU  >   =20 & >    MYNODE, a Compaq AlphaServer ES40? >    Multiprocessing is ENABLED. Streamlined synchronization=20  > image loaded. 7 >    Minimum multiprocessing revision levels: CPU =3D 1  >   =20  >    PRIMARY CPU =3D 00  >    CPU sets: >       Active         00 01 >       Configure      00 01 >       Potential      00 01 >       Autostart      00 01 >       Failover       None  >=20 > From ECP: ! >    Node Name           : MYNODE  >    CPU Type            : 1818 " >    OS                  : OpenVMS >=20 > Is this 500 Mhz or a 667 Mhz?  >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 >=20 > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n F > VMS Systems Administrator firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com >=20   John -  = Re: cpu speed - Assuming V7.3 or above (may also be in 7.2-2)    $ SHOW CPU /FULL  F Or if one wants to get fancy, define a symbol that does the following:  , $ pipe show cpu/full |search sys$input speed   :-)      Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:05:42 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: CPU Speed of ES401 Message-ID: <03061314054242@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Kerry -   M No dice, running 7.2, but will remember this when upgrade to 7.3 takes place.    Thanks!        J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2003 13:32:06 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) + Subject: Re: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems 3 Message-ID: <S9vAV+gXap$N@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <tgmGa.77355$G_.10944@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >    >>G >> Now maybe HP locks in NSK, VMS to HP kit.  That would be unfortunate D >> but not terrible.  I'm assuming the HP kit will be close to priceA >> of Dell.  If it isn't, HP won't be selling much Itanium in the B >> Win64 or Linux space.  They probably won't dare bifurcate their? >> IA64 line into "Enterprise class" NSK, VMS price models with A >> crippled firmware and the same hardware selling into "Industry ? >> Standard" Win64, Linux space.  That strategy is fraught with A >> peril and a very HOSTILE user base.  "How do I tell management < >> that same box costs quite a bit more running VMS?" , etc. >  > F > I'm not sure HP cares about your "How do I tell management that same3 > box costs quite a bit more running VMS?" dilemma.  >   E 	I think you may be looking at it incorrectly.  It is a hypothetical. < 	The hypothetical is that you cripple a box with firmware so> 	the OS looks to the firmware.  Back in the day, Digital stuckA 	glue in a motherboard to keep their customers from wandering off 7 	the reservation and sticking something in those slots.   A 	If the exact same hardware costs more just because it is running C 	a certain OS - that is fraught with peril.  You will only generate  	hostility.   D > They look at VMS customers as 'locked-in' to a great extent by theG > high cost of porting / disrupting production / potential flakiness in H > environments. So they are betting that you won't move from HP hardwareE > even at higher-than-Dell prices. And HP may well be correct in that C > thinking .... for a while. But sooner or later, as you say, 'good % > enough' will trump having the best.   A 	You are missing a concept.  The idea is that HP and Dell Itanium B 	hardware are the same at many levels.  The criticism is that Dell= 	is somehow less reliable than HP.  So you stick another Dell ? 	in your cluster to raise reliability.  It isn't for everybody. = 	But some folks are really pinched on budget.  Assuming Dells < 	are cheaper.  Maybe they won't be, but as mentioned earlier> 	HP has to be close or they face Win64 and Linux going to Dell 	IA64.   > @ > It comes down to the old saying, "Some people know the cost ofC > everything and the value of nothing." Unfortunately in the age of E > bean-counters, the cost of everything is the driving force. And the D > bean-counters are in control more than the value experts - look atD > NASA and the shuttle, the horrors being committed in the educationG > systems, look at all the VMS customers bolting for unix/Linux, and so  > on.  >   I 	I wrote a paper called "The Recent Decline of American Labor" - in 1986. C 	College freshman stuff.  10 pages, a lot of research.  My argument D 	essentially was things were headed that way (whether "runaway shop"C 	to the South ala textile moving from NorthEast to the South dozens @ 	of years ago - and eventually offshore, runaway labor to MexicoI 	and even back then (1986) runaway labor to Korea and China.  This isn't  A 	new.  In fact, I read an article the other day that IT is moving C 	FROM India to cheaper costs centers - whether Romania or whatnot.)   A 	(Oh - "that way"  also meaning further cuts everywhere, runaway  
 	shops, etc.)   B 	The irony of course was we were about to enter one of the largest0 	boom cycles in American history.  Imagine that.  D 	Later, for a company newsletter I introed it with a piece about how@ 	men that ran a large graphite composite cutting machine - were F 	replaced with a graphite composite cutting robot.  8 men per machine C 	replaced.   My conclusion:  "If it is repeatable, don't make it a   	career aspiration."    F 	Do something that requires a tremendous amount of insight or thought.G 	Isn't for everybody.  The problem is that some segments of the middle  F 	class may be impacted more than others.  I don't know.  We will know F 	if American unemployment hits 7-9% and stays there for a while.  But D 	at that , hopefully it is cyclical.  Has been cyclical for the lastA 	200 years from what I can tell (American boom/bust cycles.  Some A 	bigger busts than others.  Surely cycles all over the world too. A 	Remember when Japan was going to dominate everything and all the 2 	business rags were trumpeting that 15 years ago?)  B 	I used to have a very dour view about the whole situation and yes> 	I hear Jerry Leslie and others.  But I believe a strong faith1 	and maturing has changed my outlook.  Mostly :-)    				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:56:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Re: Dell to make Itanium 2 systems H Message-ID: <YLrGa.80759$j9%.31722@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:S9vAV+gXap$N@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > In articleB <tgmGa.77355$G_.10944@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > >  >  > >>= > >> Now maybe HP locks in NSK, VMS to HP kit.  That would be  unfortunate F > >> but not terrible.  I'm assuming the HP kit will be close to priceC > >> of Dell.  If it isn't, HP won't be selling much Itanium in the D > >> Win64 or Linux space.  They probably won't dare bifurcate theirA > >> IA64 line into "Enterprise class" NSK, VMS price models with C > >> crippled firmware and the same hardware selling into "Industry A > >> Standard" Win64, Linux space.  That strategy is fraught with C > >> peril and a very HOSTILE user base.  "How do I tell management > > >> that same box costs quite a bit more running VMS?" , etc. > >  > > C > > I'm not sure HP cares about your "How do I tell management that  same5 > > box costs quite a bit more running VMS?" dilemma.  > >  > F > I think you may be looking at it incorrectly.  It is a hypothetical.= > The hypothetical is that you cripple a box with firmware so ? > the OS looks to the firmware.  Back in the day, Digital stuck B > glue in a motherboard to keep their customers from wandering off8 > the reservation and sticking something in those slots. > B > If the exact same hardware costs more just because it is runningD > a certain OS - that is fraught with peril.  You will only generate > hostility. > F > > They look at VMS customers as 'locked-in' to a great extent by theF > > high cost of porting / disrupting production / potential flakiness inA > > environments. So they are betting that you won't move from HP  hardwareB > > even at higher-than-Dell prices. And HP may well be correct in thatE > > thinking .... for a while. But sooner or later, as you say, 'good ' > > enough' will trump having the best.  > B > You are missing a concept.  The idea is that HP and Dell ItaniumC > hardware are the same at many levels.  The criticism is that Dell > > is somehow less reliable than HP.  So you stick another Dell@ > in your cluster to raise reliability.  It isn't for everybody.> > But some folks are really pinched on budget.  Assuming Dells= > are cheaper.  Maybe they won't be, but as mentioned earlier ? > HP has to be close or they face Win64 and Linux going to Dell  > IA64.  >  > > B > > It comes down to the old saying, "Some people know the cost ofE > > everything and the value of nothing." Unfortunately in the age of C > > bean-counters, the cost of everything is the driving force. And  the F > > bean-counters are in control more than the value experts - look atF > > NASA and the shuttle, the horrors being committed in the educationF > > systems, look at all the VMS customers bolting for unix/Linux, and so > > on.  > >  > D > I wrote a paper called "The Recent Decline of American Labor" - in 1986. D > College freshman stuff.  10 pages, a lot of research.  My argumentE > essentially was things were headed that way (whether "runaway shop" D > to the South ala textile moving from NorthEast to the South dozensA > of years ago - and eventually offshore, runaway labor to Mexico C > and even back then (1986) runaway labor to Korea and China.  This  isn't B > new.  In fact, I read an article the other day that IT is movingD > FROM India to cheaper costs centers - whether Romania or whatnot.) > A > (Oh - "that way"  also meaning further cuts everywhere, runaway  > shops, etc.) > C > The irony of course was we were about to enter one of the largest 1 > boom cycles in American history.  Imagine that.  > E > Later, for a company newsletter I introed it with a piece about how @ > men that ran a large graphite composite cutting machine - wereF > replaced with a graphite composite cutting robot.  8 men per machineC > replaced.   My conclusion:  "If it is repeatable, don't make it a  > career aspiration."  > > > Do something that requires a tremendous amount of insight or thought.@ > Isn't for everybody.  The problem is that some segments of the middleF > class may be impacted more than others.  I don't know.  We will knowF > if American unemployment hits 7-9% and stays there for a while.  ButE > at that , hopefully it is cyclical.  Has been cyclical for the last B > 200 years from what I can tell (American boom/bust cycles.  SomeB > bigger busts than others.  Surely cycles all over the world too.B > Remember when Japan was going to dominate everything and all the3 > business rags were trumpeting that 15 years ago?)  > C > I used to have a very dour view about the whole situation and yes ? > I hear Jerry Leslie and others.  But I believe a strong faith 2 > and maturing has changed my outlook.  Mostly :-)    D Just beware the Bush Jr. budget deficit. His father didn't teach himF what he called Reagan's budget plans in 1980 - Voodoo Economics, or if he did Junior didn't listen.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:22:15 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>@ Subject: Re: Download service for VMS and Tru64 layered products) Message-ID: <3EEA1655.19EB1D03@istop.com>    warren sander wrote: > K > I'm just the messenger. there were a number of folks that worked to first  > get the online distribution 2 > and then to fix the online distribution service.  C Yeah, but you're the one who has the guts to come here and make the < announcements :-) So you deserve the chocolate chip cookie !   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:12:49 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: FC Tape on OpenVMS ' Message-ID: <3EEA92B1.E8A49410@fsi.net>   8 I need to ask this question again with a narrower focus:  H Is anyone out there using FC tape drives (preferably SDLT of any flavor,H but preferably SDLT-320) with any flavor of CrossRoads FC-SCSI "bridge":5 Hp/Compaq NSR, STK FC-SCSI bridge, etc. with OpenVMS?   " If so, could you please post your:  @ o Hardware make/models (Alpha, NSR, tape drive, HBA, SAN switch)  F o Soft/firmware versions? (OpenVMS, HBA, NSR, tape drive, SAN Switch)?  6 o Problems you are (or aren't) having with this setup?  B Feel free to obfuscate your e-mail address, or whatever to protectA whatever confidences you may fear breaching by posting such info.   E ...or just e-mail me privately (how to de-mung the reply-to should be E obvious, but I'd recommend using earthlink instead of fsi) and I will  respect your privacy.   G I just need to know if I'm fighting a losing battle with my VAR or just 4 what the story is, and this would help tremendously.  B Also, any horror stories you may have - on-going problems, problem fixed, etc. - would help also.  G As you may have gathered if you saw my earlier posts on this topic, I'm H having major problems and would appreciate any insights anyone may have.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:23:38 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Forcing ip ) Message-ID: <3EEA16A8.E594E478@istop.com>    Carl Perkins wrote: I > The client connects directly. It is done using calls to the SSL library I > instead of (or in addition to) the normal socket library to get all the K > encryption taken care of. Likewise, the server end is done by each server % > individually via SSL library calls.   G Ok, so instead of calling the normal sockets library calls, or the $QIO E interface, you call the SSL routines and they take care of making the  socket/$QIO calls ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:02:35 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org Subject: Re: Forcing ip ) Message-ID: <03061313023578@antinode.org>   & From: "Mike Mabey" <mmabey@cenhud.com>  4 > Not sure how to determine version of Wollengong...  C    It depends on the version, as I recall, but the Wollongong (more H recently, Attachmate) PathWay (formerly WIN/TCP) residue in my LOGIN.COM	 suggests:   @       PWV :== $ TWG$TCP:[PATHWAY_ADMIN]PATHWAY$LIST_SOFTWARE.EXE  
 WEAK $ pwv Installed PathWay Products:  --------------------------) PathWay for OpenVMS                 2.5.1     H    Otherwise, start at TWG$TCP:[NETDIST] and look for hints.  (Obviously. ("OpenVMS"), this is a fairly recent version.)  H    According to my (1995?) manual set, PathWay offered a "DECnet over TPE (DNIP)" feature, but I'd be amazed if it was compatible with anything 2 else.  I see no reference to DECnet-Plus anywhere.      Not that anyone cares:   G    Once upon a time, when my VAXstation 3100 model 38 at home dialed up G the VAX 4000 model 200 at work for an asynchronous DECnet connection, I C actually used the PathWay DBridge ("DECnet Bridge", IP over DECnet) H feature to provide Internet access from home.  (Easier than getting SLIPG to work, I thought.)  Of course, this is also PathWay-specific, as well ( as being the opposite of what is sought.  @    I keep PathWay going (illicitly, I suppose) on my seldom-usedB VAXstation 2000 (VMS V5.5-2), just for old times' sake.  It may beC obsolete now, but it was worlds ahead of UCX V2 back then.  Its FTP D client did useful stuff at CTRL/T a lot earlier, too.  (On the other hand, NFS cost extra.)  A    Anyone with a near-give-away offer on a 12MB memory card for a C MicroVAX/VAXstation 2000 is welcome to contact me, too.  DECwindows H Motif and POSIX sure bog things down with 6MB.  (I'd've gotten back withA this info a lot sooner if it didn't take half an hour to boot the  thing.)   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Jun 2003 16:09 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: Forcing ip - Message-ID: <13JUN200316092270@gerg.tamu.edu>   X In article <3EEA16A8.E594E478@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes... }Carl Perkins wrote:J }> The client connects directly. It is done using calls to the SSL libraryJ }> instead of (or in addition to) the normal socket library to get all theL }> encryption taken care of. Likewise, the server end is done by each server& }> individually via SSL library calls. } H }Ok, so instead of calling the normal sockets library calls, or the $QIOF }interface, you call the SSL routines and they take care of making the }socket/$QIO calls ?  M Beats me. I only looked at it briefly a while back. I don't remember if there 6 are routines that completely replace the socket calls.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:26:12 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Forcing ip ; Message-ID: <3eea87c4.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ( Carl Perkins (carl@gerg.tamu.edu) wrote:0 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes... > > Carl Perkins wrote: E > > > The client connects directly. It is done using calls to the SSL F > > > library instead of (or in addition to) the normal socket libraryG > > > to get all the encryption taken care of. Likewise, the server end @ > > > is done by each server individually via SSL library calls. > > F > > Ok, so instead of calling the normal sockets library calls, or theC > > $QIO interface, you call the SSL routines and they take care of " > > making the socket/$QIO calls ? > F > Beats me. I only looked at it briefly a while back. I don't rememberA > if there are routines that completely replace the socket calls.   A You do the normal socket(), connect(), and close() calls, but add D (among others) SSL_connect(), and replace calls to read()/write() byD SSL_read()/SSL_write(). Mind you, I'm no expert with SSL, I just see how it's used in ht://Dig.  C As an alternative, you can tunnel a "normal" connection through SSH E (which uses SSL) without changing the application, provided it uses a A known, fixed port (and SSH is available on both ends, of course).    cu,    Martin --  D                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:26:11 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>6 Subject: Re: How to configure Batch Queues for cluster, Message-ID: <3EEA87C3.7030800@tsoft-inc.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:   Y > In article <vejq09e4ahbke4@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:  > > >>"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# >>news:3EE92CA4.E1B439A3@fsi.net...  >>[snip] >>K >>>You could do this in your SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM procedure in the SYS$MANAGER  >>>path: >>> G >>>$ INIT/QUE/BATCH SYS$BATCH/GENERIC=(SYS$BATCH_node1,SYS$BATCH_node2)   >>>$ NODE = F$GETSYI("NODENAME")0 >>>$ INIT/QUE/BATCH SYS$BATCH_'NODE'/JOB_LIMIT=4 >>>  >>> M >>You don't have to put INIT/QUE commands in SYSSTARTUP_VMS.COM.  INIT/QUE is K >>a one time command (unless you want to make changes).  The only thing you F >>have to do at startup is start the queue or enable autostart queues. >> >  > Absolutely true. > E > But if your queue mangler database has a habit of blowing itself to A > smithereens or if you restore the queue database from an online H > backup (/IGNORE=INTERLOCK) and thus blow it away yourself, it is handyG > to be able to recreate your queues and handier still if they recreate 
 > themselves.  > * > At least that was my reasoning for using > & > $ INIT /QUEUE blah blah blah /START  >  > instead of >  > $ START /QUEUE blah blah blah  >  > or   >  > $ ENABLE AUTOSTART /QUEUES >  > in my startup procedures.  >  > 	John Briggs >   N Don't forget how much more flexible this is if it's put in a seperate command L file, which can be called from SYSTARTUP_VMS as well as used at other times.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:13:04 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: HP #1 in Storage 2 Message-ID: <8s2dnS2xlvyziHejXTWcqQ@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageA news:rllGa.75417$G_.23255@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message . > news:qeednUp0fs-E8HSjXTWcow@metrocast.net... > > B > > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message; > > news:cf15391e.0306121548.682fb980@posting.google.com... E > > > IDC Quarterly Report Affirms HP's No. 1 Position in Key Storage  > > > Categories > > > A > > > HP extended its lead over competitors in total disk storage 	 > systems  > > > factory revenue  > > G > > An interesting interpretation of the IDC report, if what IDC itself  > has to# > > say about it is any indication:  > > C > > http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jhtml?containerId=pr2003_06_05_151042  > > G > > "In the first quarter, HP led the total disk storage system market,  > withE > > 26.3% revenue share, followed by IBM and EMC with 19.1% and 11.7% 	 > revenue : > > share, respectively. Dell and IBM posted the strongest > year-over-year growth D > > during the first quarter among the top 5 vendors, with 37.5% and > 16.8%  > > respectively." > > F > > So how did HP 'extend its lead', exactly?  I guess it extended the > time> > > period during which it has occupied the lead position, but > examination ofG > > the chart which IDC includes in the above article indicates that it H > > certainly has has far less of a lead over up-and-comers IBM and Dell > in Q1 @ > > 2003 than it had in Q1 2002 - a conclusion echoed in another
 > article: > > 6 > > http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20030606S0005 > > B > > "Overall, Hewlett-Packard retained its top spot as the world's	 > biggest B > > seller of disk storage systems by grabbing 26.3 percent of the > globalD > > market. But it's losing share according to IDC's numbers -- down > almost5 > > seven percent -- to companies like Dell and IBM."  > > F > > You might be tempted to say, "Well, at least HP increased its lead > overD > > *some* competitors" (perhaps EMC and Sun, for example), but even > that is a F > > bit difficult to support, since for every competitor listed in the
 > chart HPG > > had a larger market-share-percentage lead in Q1 2002 than it had in 
 > Q1 2003. > > 4 > >  and held the No. 1 position in other major diskE > > > storage markets during the first quarter of calendar year 2003, 4 > > > according to a report issued June 6 by IDC.[1] > > > B > > > Overall, HP built its lead in worldwide disk storage systems	 > factory 4 > > > revenue quarter-over-quarter with 26.3 percent > > C > > There's that creative phrasing again:  HP 'built its lead' by -  > reducing it?@ > > Or perhaps the 'quarter-over-quarter' indicates that in this > particular case F > > they're comparing Q1 with the preceding Q4 (but don't they usually > say A > > 'sequentially' in that case?) and those numbers (which aren't  > mentioned inF > > the article I cited above) look a bit better than those in the IDC > chart? > > ! > > Inquiring minds want to know.  >  > A > Sometimes losing less than your competitors is classified as an  > improvement.  I As I tried to make clear above, HP lost more percentage market share than  any competitor listed.   - bill   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:43:30 -0700 (PDT)C. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Y Subject: IBM will buy SUN, it's obvious (Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!)l@ Message-ID: <20030613234330.55858.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   Guys  9 With the Sun share valuing US$ 5,00 ... IBM acquiring Sunf8 would be much more profitable to them than buying VMS !      Regardss   FC  - --- Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:p> > Well, I wrote for the heck of it after the Inquirers article: > about maybe IBM buying VMS, and it seems they are either: > too stupid, or has "not invented here" syndrome also ...: > Sad, isn't it?  They call VMS mature and suggest unix or9 > $%gag#$%! os400 as an alternative when VMS runs circles'/ > around these and every other os out there ...' >  > Bob,   > G > Your recent e-mail query to Sam Palmisano regarding an article in the @ > Inquirer.net has been forwarded to me for review and response. > @ > You ask why it would not make sense for IBM to buy the OpenVMSD > business. As a former employee of Digital Equipment Corporation, IC > share your sense of pride in the quality and functionality of the H > OpenVMS operating system. When VMS was first being developed, it trulyF > represented innovation and leadership in the industry and many newerF > operating systems have borrowed concepts and ideas from it. However,H > while OpenVMS continues to occupy a substantial niche market position,C > most enterprise customers are now looking for more open operating.E > environments. As noted in the article, Compaq, and now HP, have notwH > invested to keep up with the requirements of the customer base and theE > result is an inevitable decline in installed base. With this marketuD > position, I don't think that it would be economically viable for aH > company like IBM to acquire the asset and bring it back up to currencyB > in terms of capabilities. It's an unfortunate downward spiral ofE > higher maintenance fees causing more customers to defect. There aremC > several attractive substitutes to OpenVMS today, with the various H > UNIX-based operating systems approaching similar levels of reliabilityH > and availability. And, of course, OpenVMS's traditional competitors inD > products like IBM's zOS and OS/400 participate in many of the sameE > market areas. I'm sure that OpenVMS will be running many enterpriseXG > applications for years to come, but the reality is that this is now a(G > mature product without a lot of growth opportunity. This doesn't makeQ% > an attractive business proposition.] >  > Regards, = >  > Jeanette 8 >  > Jeanette Horan > VP Software Group Strategy     =====X ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilY fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?@ Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com9   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2003 12:01:13 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)4 Subject: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0306131101.146707c7@posting.google.com>T  < Well, I wrote for the heck of it after the Inquirers article8 about maybe IBM buying VMS, and it seems they are either8 too stupid, or has "not invented here" syndrome also ...8 Sad, isn't it?  They call VMS mature and suggest unix or7 $%gag#$%! os400 as an alternative when VMS runs circlesH- around these and every other os out there ...%   Bob, "  E Your recent e-mail query to Sam Palmisano regarding an article in the > Inquirer.net has been forwarded to me for review and response.  > You ask why it would not make sense for IBM to buy the OpenVMSB business. As a former employee of Digital Equipment Corporation, IA share your sense of pride in the quality and functionality of thedF OpenVMS operating system. When VMS was first being developed, it trulyD represented innovation and leadership in the industry and many newerD operating systems have borrowed concepts and ideas from it. However,F while OpenVMS continues to occupy a substantial niche market position,A most enterprise customers are now looking for more open operating?C environments. As noted in the article, Compaq, and now HP, have notoF invested to keep up with the requirements of the customer base and theC result is an inevitable decline in installed base. With this marketDB position, I don't think that it would be economically viable for aF company like IBM to acquire the asset and bring it back up to currency@ in terms of capabilities. It's an unfortunate downward spiral ofC higher maintenance fees causing more customers to defect. There are5A several attractive substitutes to OpenVMS today, with the variousoF UNIX-based operating systems approaching similar levels of reliabilityF and availability. And, of course, OpenVMS's traditional competitors inB products like IBM's zOS and OS/400 participate in many of the sameC market areas. I'm sure that OpenVMS will be running many enterprisetE applications for years to come, but the reality is that this is now a7E mature product without a lot of growth opportunity. This doesn't makeu# an attractive business proposition.-  	 Regards, C  	 Jeanette c   Jeanette Horan VP Software Group Strategy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:34:33 -0400p' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 8 Subject: RE: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB058985@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]=20 > Sent: June 13, 2003 3:01 PMu > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms6 > Subject: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! >=20 >=20A > Well, I wrote for the heck of it after the Inquirers article=20$A > about maybe IBM buying VMS, and it seems they are either too=20c> > stupid, or has "not invented here" syndrome also ... Sad,=20B > isn't it?  They call VMS mature and suggest unix or $%gag#$%!=20? > os400 as an alternative when VMS runs circles around these=20g" > and every other os out there ... >=20	 > Bob,=20o >=20; > Your recent e-mail query to Sam Palmisano regarding an=20 = > article in the Inquirer.net has been forwarded to me for=20  > review and response. >=20; > You ask why it would not make sense for IBM to buy the=20*@ > OpenVMS business. As a former employee of Digital Equipment=20@ > Corporation, I share your sense of pride in the quality and=20@ > functionality of the OpenVMS operating system. When VMS was=20? > first being developed, it truly represented innovation and=20g@ > leadership in the industry and many newer operating systems=20= > have borrowed concepts and ideas from it. However, while=20?; > OpenVMS continues to occupy a substantial niche market=20 A > position, most enterprise customers are now looking for more=20 B > open operating environments. As noted in the article, Compaq,=206 > and now HP, have not invested to keep up with the=20; > requirements of the customer base and the result is an=20 ; > inevitable decline in installed base. With this market=200A > position, I don't think that it would be economically viable=20cB > for a company like IBM to acquire the asset and bring it back=20A > up to currency in terms of capabilities. It's an unfortunate=20r< > downward spiral of higher maintenance fees causing more=20B > customers to defect. There are several attractive substitutes=20< > to OpenVMS today, with the various UNIX-based operating=20: > systems approaching similar levels of reliability and=208 > availability. And, of course, OpenVMS's traditional=20B > competitors in products like IBM's zOS and OS/400 participate=20A > in many of the same market areas. I'm sure that OpenVMS will=20c? > be running many enterprise applications for years to come,=202A > but the reality is that this is now a mature product without=20gA > a lot of growth opportunity. This doesn't make an attractive=20t > business proposition.  >=20
 > Regards,=20i >=20
 > Jeanette=20U >=20 > Jeanette Horan > VP Software Group Strategy >=20   Bob -e  C Course, the exact same thing could be written about IBM's 31bit MVS2 (Z/OS) or AIX OS's as well.=20  B Heck, IBM even stated publicly their UNIX future was not with AIX:< http://news.com.com/2100-1001-982512.html?tag=3Dfd_lede2_hedF "While IBM doesn't expect Linux to replace its own AIX version of UnixA any time soon, Big Blue is pushing the open-source OS in the that F direction, Steve Mills, senior vice president of IBM's Software Group,: told CNET News.com at last week's LinuxWorld trade show. "  F Her letter is standard PR mixed with standard FUD ie. first praise theG competitors product, then add "but, you need to consider ...[insert std=F stuff about why OpenVMS Customers should move to one of the older UNIX architectures...]"   :-)e  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration ServicesC Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)p OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:29:37 -0400I* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!) Message-ID: <3EEA3427.6DFD4E16@istop.com>p   Bill Todd wrote:N > head.  But for another vendor to try to pick up the pieces and put them backM > together would be far less realistic:  some existing customers would prefer0< > to remain with HP, and for the rest the inevitable turmoil   "remain with HP" ??????   K HP has not taken "ownership" of VMS. They are simply fulfilling contractual*I obligations that came with the purchase of Compaq. I don't think that VMSnH customers feel any loyalty to HP unless they also have some HP products.  O IBM already has a high end proprietary OS with features unmatched by Unix: MVS. I HP already has a high end proprietary OS with features unmatched by Unix: 
 Tandem NSKJ SUN doesn't have a high end proprietary OS with features unmathed by Unix.  K SUN can't attack certain markets where IBM and HP can bid because SUN lacks H the big iron for it. If Sun had VMS, it could then attack those markets.  L And if Sun were to purchase VMS, then you'd find the Fred Kleinsorges of theK world extoling the vertues of Sparc and be friends with Andrew. OK, so somerJ would say that such events would be a sign of the end of the world :-) :-)  I And SUN is also the only one truly capable of insulting Microsoft, and by4M owning VMS, sun would not shy away from suing Microsoft for having stolen VMSrL code. And it would not shy away from insulting Microsoft's pathetic attempts< at clustering.  Sun could also bid VMS against Tandem's NSK.  H Buying VMS would be a great strategic move by Sun. Why ? Because VMS hasR potential and Sun is the only independant company left to own and make use of VMS.  M Another possibility would be for some corporate raider to mount a hostile VMSoM purchase attempt. HP would either gladly sell it, of be forced to defend VMS, N declare how profitable it is etc etc, and this would then force HP to continueC to show that it really does care about VMS by marketing it etc etc.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:40:56 -0400n* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!2 Message-ID: <ceOdnWYO1q6wtHejXTWcpg@metrocast.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageh7 news:d7791aa1.0306131101.146707c7@posting.google.com...-> > Well, I wrote for the heck of it after the Inquirers article: > about maybe IBM buying VMS, and it seems they are either: > too stupid, or has "not invented here" syndrome also ...  C No:  they seem to have a very well-informed view of the situation - H considerably better-informed than HP's corporate leaders appear to have.  I Resurrecting an OS that has been neglected as long as VMS has been is notnH easy.  It would make sense for HP to do so because the alternative is toH continue bleeding existing high-margin customers (in many cases to otherI vendors) - whereas with real support they could turn the situation on its L head.  But for another vendor to try to pick up the pieces and put them backK together would be far less realistic:  some existing customers would prefereK to remain with HP, and for the rest the inevitable turmoil of the ownershipnI transition (including the question of how many of the often irreplaceablerJ *people* who support VMS would be lost in the process) would raise as manyB doubts about the system's viability as cHumPaq's incompetence has.  : > Sad, isn't it?  They call VMS mature and suggest unix or9 > $%gag#$%! os400 as an alternative when VMS runs circlesm/ > around these and every other os out there ...y  H The rest of the world doesn't agree with you, Bob.  And they're the ones  whom IBM would have to convince.  H I included the response you got below in case anyone missed it the firstL time:  it's a good example of the kind of competent leadership analysis thatG VMS has not had for at least a decade - and a nice compliment to VMS asn well.w   - bill   >o > Bob, > G > Your recent e-mail query to Sam Palmisano regarding an article in thes@ > Inquirer.net has been forwarded to me for review and response. >f@ > You ask why it would not make sense for IBM to buy the OpenVMSD > business. As a former employee of Digital Equipment Corporation, IC > share your sense of pride in the quality and functionality of thepH > OpenVMS operating system. When VMS was first being developed, it trulyF > represented innovation and leadership in the industry and many newerF > operating systems have borrowed concepts and ideas from it. However,H > while OpenVMS continues to occupy a substantial niche market position,C > most enterprise customers are now looking for more open operatingnE > environments. As noted in the article, Compaq, and now HP, have not H > invested to keep up with the requirements of the customer base and theE > result is an inevitable decline in installed base. With this marketlD > position, I don't think that it would be economically viable for aH > company like IBM to acquire the asset and bring it back up to currencyB > in terms of capabilities. It's an unfortunate downward spiral ofE > higher maintenance fees causing more customers to defect. There are C > several attractive substitutes to OpenVMS today, with the varioushH > UNIX-based operating systems approaching similar levels of reliabilityH > and availability. And, of course, OpenVMS's traditional competitors inD > products like IBM's zOS and OS/400 participate in many of the sameE > market areas. I'm sure that OpenVMS will be running many enterprise G > applications for years to come, but the reality is that this is now acG > mature product without a lot of growth opportunity. This doesn't makee% > an attractive business proposition.o >o
 > Regards, > 
 > Jeanette >> > Jeanette Horan > VP Software Group Strategy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:32:24 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!) Message-ID: <3EEA42D9.FA6838CE@istop.com>    John Smith wrote: A > Or ISV's disappear for other reasons - Oracle wants to purchase 5 > Peoplesoft, which itself wants to buy J.D. Edwards.t  K Saw Elison on TV. He says that ailing Peoplesoft is making a big mistake in M trying to buy ailing J.D.Edwards. Oracle want to give Peoplesoft shareholdersa@ a good deal buy buying Poeplesoft now before it sinks any lower.  J If he wins, he says he will continue to support customers but said that heH would help them migrate at their own pace/wish to Oracle products. (like. stallard had said on May 7th for VMS -> HP-UX)L To Oracle, the value is the people inside peoplesoft who have great software) engineers and great support organisation.t  L However, another tactic is probably simply a question of spreading FUD aboutN peoplesoft by telling the world that Peoplesoft is very sick and if it refusesJ to allow Oracle to "save it", it may go down. Such an image would not help Peoplesoft get new sales.i      F > VMS version in amongst them but Oracle has stated that they will EOL> > all the Edwards and Peoplesoft applications should Oracle be( > successful in their takeover attempt.   L I heard that if Oracle gets Peoplesoft, the purchase of J.D.Edwards won't goG through. One reason he wants to buy peoplesoft is to block that merger.nN (perhaps he feels that if the merger goes though, it would make peoplesoft too big a competitor to oracle)   H > Pretty soon there is only CSWS as a *commecially* available web server
 > for VMS.  N Since CSWS is not really "commercial" since it is really Apache, I don't think the above would be so true.t   re: HP selling VMS.y  M I am not sure if HP is truly convinced that VMS is dead and has no potential,rN or whether HP fears that if allowed to prosper under new, separate management,M it would become too fierce a competitor and steal sales from HP (hence, it isnB better to allow it to rot under the carpet in the humid basement).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:11:45 GMT * From: "Mark Buda" <buda_NO@SPAM.yahoo.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!< Message-ID: <B_rGa.5550$Jw6.3339366@news1.news.adelphia.net>  G >Her letter is standard PR mixed with standard FUD ie. first praise theeG competitors product, then add "but, you need to consider ...[insert stduF stuff about why OpenVMS Customers should move to one of the older UNIX architectures...]"  & Sounds like what Andrew H. does..  :-)   mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:10:40 GMTd# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!G Message-ID: <k5rGa.82390$G_.76727@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>c  D VMS is still paying the price of the campaigns started in the 1980'sB by Sun, HP and others that 'proprietary' is bad, that unix and nowA Linux is 'good', and HP feels that they lose face if they go 'offr1 message' in advertising VMS as a proper solution.r  D The big danger is that without advertising and externally noticeableF increased customer counts, many ISV's currently supplying product into& the VMS market will go by the wayside.  ? Or ISV's disappear for other reasons - Oracle wants to purchase @ Peoplesoft, which itself wants to buy J.D. Edwards. I don't knowC enough about each company's product line to know whether there is a D VMS version in amongst them but Oracle has stated that they will EOL< all the Edwards and Peoplesoft applications should Oracle beB successful in their takeover attempt. If Oracle doesn't have a VMSE version of their HR/CRM application then that entire market is closedo to VMS.t  B Now there are rumblings that BEA is a logical target for somebody.F Pretty soon there is only CSWS as a *commecially* available web server for VMS.  D How many *new* customers will HP be able to attract to VMS with onlyF one source for critical applications/tools? and especially if that oneD source, HP, is viewed suspiciously with respect to its commitment toD VMS - "HP, if you want me to believe that you're so commited to VMS,D why don't you advertise it?"  How quickly will BEA users on VMS move= from VMS once VMS support is killed should BEA be taken over?     A I see Proliant advertising in the local paper today, but none forw
 Alpha/VMS.  C I see the same lack of purpose in HP's handling of the 'conflict of'F the owned operating systems' as was present in Digital and Compaq.  HPE has to realize that if you have several sons, the correct strategy is25 to praise them all rather than praising none of them.   D If HP won't sell VMS to a company that will treat it right, then theB least they can do is take Tandem, VMS and HP-UX and spin them intoC standalone companies in which HP owns 90% and employees own 10%. SoiE they are/may be required to run their o/s on HP gear, but let them ber 100% free to? market/advertise as they see fit. The employee stake gives somemC incentive to be creative and innovative in expanding their markets.!        5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message:, news:ceOdnWYO1q6wtHejXTWcpg@metrocast.net... >o7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0306131101.146707c7@posting.google.com... @ > > Well, I wrote for the heck of it after the Inquirers article< > > about maybe IBM buying VMS, and it seems they are either< > > too stupid, or has "not invented here" syndrome also ... >,E > No:  they seem to have a very well-informed view of the situation -tD > considerably better-informed than HP's corporate leaders appear to have.  >oD > Resurrecting an OS that has been neglected as long as VMS has been is notD > easy.  It would make sense for HP to do so because the alternative is to D > continue bleeding existing high-margin customers (in many cases to otheraD > vendors) - whereas with real support they could turn the situation on itsD > head.  But for another vendor to try to pick up the pieces and put	 them backsF > together would be far less realistic:  some existing customers would preferC > to remain with HP, and for the rest the inevitable turmoil of the 	 ownershipd= > transition (including the question of how many of the oftenl
 irreplaceableiD > *people* who support VMS would be lost in the process) would raise as manypD > doubts about the system's viability as cHumPaq's incompetence has. >i< > > Sad, isn't it?  They call VMS mature and suggest unix or; > > $%gag#$%! os400 as an alternative when VMS runs circlesn1 > > around these and every other os out there ...  >-E > The rest of the world doesn't agree with you, Bob.  And they're ther ones" > whom IBM would have to convince. >jD > I included the response you got below in case anyone missed it the firsti@ > time:  it's a good example of the kind of competent leadership
 analysis thatrF > VMS has not had for at least a decade - and a nice compliment to VMS as > well.n >p > - bill >r > >  > > Bob, > >eE > > Your recent e-mail query to Sam Palmisano regarding an article in  thekB > > Inquirer.net has been forwarded to me for review and response. > >nB > > You ask why it would not make sense for IBM to buy the OpenVMSF > > business. As a former employee of Digital Equipment Corporation, IE > > share your sense of pride in the quality and functionality of theFD > > OpenVMS operating system. When VMS was first being developed, it truly<B > > represented innovation and leadership in the industry and many newer ? > > operating systems have borrowed concepts and ideas from it.m However,@ > > while OpenVMS continues to occupy a substantial niche market	 position,sE > > most enterprise customers are now looking for more open operating C > > environments. As noted in the article, Compaq, and now HP, have- nothF > > invested to keep up with the requirements of the customer base and theE@ > > result is an inevitable decline in installed base. With this marketF > > position, I don't think that it would be economically viable for aA > > company like IBM to acquire the asset and bring it back up toa currencyD > > in terms of capabilities. It's an unfortunate downward spiral ofC > > higher maintenance fees causing more customers to defect. There0 arelE > > several attractive substitutes to OpenVMS today, with the variouso> > > UNIX-based operating systems approaching similar levels of reliability ; > > and availability. And, of course, OpenVMS's traditionale competitors inF > > products like IBM's zOS and OS/400 participate in many of the same< > > market areas. I'm sure that OpenVMS will be running many
 enterpriseC > > applications for years to come, but the reality is that this isV now a-D > > mature product without a lot of growth opportunity. This doesn't make' > > an attractive business proposition.t > >u > > Regards, > >/ > > Jeanette > >o > > Jeanette Horan > > VP Software Group Strategy >i >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:53:06 GMT0# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>C8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!G Message-ID: <SQqGa.82158$G_.75924@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>n  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message-# news:3EEA3427.6DFD4E16@istop.com...- > Bill Todd wrote:F > > head.  But for another vendor to try to pick up the pieces and put	 them backaB > > together would be far less realistic:  some existing customers would prefer> > > to remain with HP, and for the rest the inevitable turmoil >s > "remain with HP" ??????  >eA > HP has not taken "ownership" of VMS. They are simply fulfilling8 contractualoB > obligations that came with the purchase of Compaq. I don't think that VMS@ > customers feel any loyalty to HP unless they also have some HP	 products.> >sF > IBM already has a high end proprietary OS with features unmatched by
 Unix: MVS.E > HP already has a high end proprietary OS with features unmatched byv Unix:  > Tandem NSKF > SUN doesn't have a high end proprietary OS with features unmathed by Unix.h >QC > SUN can't attack certain markets where IBM and HP can bid becauseg	 SUN lackseA > the big iron for it. If Sun had VMS, it could then attack thosek markets. >e; > And if Sun were to purchase VMS, then you'd find the Frede Kleinsorges of theE > world extoling the vertues of Sparc and be friends with Andrew. OK,0 so somemD > would say that such events would be a sign of the end of the world :-) :-)g >DD > And SUN is also the only one truly capable of insulting Microsoft, and byD > owning VMS, sun would not shy away from suing Microsoft for having
 stolen VMSE > code. And it would not shy away from insulting Microsoft's pathetict attempts> > at clustering.  Sun could also bid VMS against Tandem's NSK.    C The intellectual property rights issue, I'm sure, were settled whenr; palmer and Gates made kissy kissy make-up. If VMS were soldiD lock-stock-and-barrel to any purchaser, that purchaser would have no claim against Microsoft.  A You can be sure that Gates wasn't so stupid as to not have an 'in , perpetuity' clause with respect to 'right toF use/modifiy/distribute/sell without royalty or fee' in the settlement.     >uF > Buying VMS would be a great strategic move by Sun. Why ? Because VMS has)C > potential and Sun is the only independant company left to own and) make use of VMS. >oC > Another possibility would be for some corporate raider to mount ai hostile VMStC > purchase attempt. HP would either gladly sell it, of be forced to  defend VMS,nD > declare how profitable it is etc etc, and this would then force HP to continuetE > to show that it really does care about VMS by marketing it etc etc.s  F From a competitive point of view, HP sees VMS as too valuable to sell,* and too worthless to advertise and market.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:32:39 -0400s' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 8 Subject: RE: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB05898A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Mark Buda [mailto:buda_NO@SPAM.yahoo.com]=20 > Sent: June 13, 2003 6:12 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : > Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! >=20 >=20A > >Her letter is standard PR mixed with standard FUD ie. first=20i > praise the= > competitors product, then add "but, you need to consider=20>A > ...[insert std stuff about why OpenVMS Customers should move=20A- > to one of the older UNIX architectures...]"$ >=20( > Sounds like what Andrew H. does..  :-) >=20 > mark >=20 >=20 >=20  E Yep, if a vendor comes right out and critiques a competitive product,oD then it is easy to dismiss as a simple competitive jab and loses all credibility.=20m  G However, if one first praises the product for its well known strengths,aE but then adds some fud that questions the long term certainty of thatoB product, it presents the image of "a wise one who really knows the
 future..".   :-)    Regardse  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Servicesw Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:04:59 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!2 Message-ID: <DEydnZtQi5t2AnejXTWcqQ@metrocast.net>  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messaget& news:3EEA8B3D.9000409@tsoft-inc.com...; > I cannot believe that I have to for once agree with boob.-  * Think again and perhaps you'll reconsider.   >- > Bob Ceculski wrote:p >e@ > > Well, I wrote for the heck of it after the Inquirers article< > > about maybe IBM buying VMS, and it seems they are either< > > too stupid, or has "not invented here" syndrome also ...< > > Sad, isn't it?  They call VMS mature and suggest unix or; > > $%gag#$%! os400 as an alternative when VMS runs circlesD1 > > around these and every other os out there ...m > >< > > Bob, > > I > > Your recent e-mail query to Sam Palmisano regarding an article in thesB > > Inquirer.net has been forwarded to me for review and response. >  >e > <snip> >- >S > > with the variousJ > > UNIX-based operating systems approaching similar levels of reliability > > and availability.6 >5 >6F > Basically an admission that VMS still is a leader in reliability and' > availability.  Other are APPROACHING!e  8 Yup - they understand, and aren't too proud to admit it.   >t5 > Don't these people even understand what they write?   J Better than HP does.  And they also understand just how badly VMS has beenI dealt with over the years by its owner - probably better than most peoplemK here do, having become so inured to it by now (everyone else already havingeK given up and left).  VMS is beyond any shadow of a doubt on the way out, sohH much so that the idea of someone else buying it and making a go of it isJ downright laughable to any objective observer (which, of course, there areI very few of around these parts).  VMS is still basically good enough that8G its owner could stand a chance of resurrecting it, but too far gone fory anyone else to.e   >tH > My IBM stock would be worth more if they weren't wasting money on such idiots!n  K I guess prolonged exposure to DEC, Compaq, and now HP has completely ruinedi5 your ability to recognize competence when you see it.d   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:41:01 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!, Message-ID: <3EEA8B3D.9000409@tsoft-inc.com>  9 I cannot believe that I have to for once agree with boob.b   Bob Ceculski wrote:   > > Well, I wrote for the heck of it after the Inquirers article: > about maybe IBM buying VMS, and it seems they are either: > too stupid, or has "not invented here" syndrome also ...: > Sad, isn't it?  They call VMS mature and suggest unix or9 > $%gag#$%! os400 as an alternative when VMS runs circlesv/ > around these and every other os out there ...i >  > Bob,   > G > Your recent e-mail query to Sam Palmisano regarding an article in thee@ > Inquirer.net has been forwarded to me for review and response.     <snip>     > with the variousH > UNIX-based operating systems approaching similar levels of reliability > and availability.a    E Basically an admission that VMS still is a leader in reliability and i% availability.  Other are APPROACHING!t  3 Don't these people even understand what they write?e  N My IBM stock would be worth more if they weren't wasting money on such idiots!   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:01:17 -0400h* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates) Message-ID: <3EEA116D.D11B54AA@istop.com>    Jeff Cameron wrote:tN > My Web pages on VMS has a System Manager's Quiz. It was intended for fun butG > can separate the novices from the real VMS Admins. It is located at : & > http://www.jcameron.com/vms/quiz.htm  M I started to answer that quiz. I wouldn't think it was a system manager quiz,RJ but rather a VMS engineer quiz. Also, I found it quite hard to explain theM difference between a logical name and a symbol since they are so different on$E all aspects, one could write a novel to describe the differences :-) n  N They are now predicting rain for the weekend (they were predicting great sunnyK days as of yesterday night, but today, instead of sun, we are getting solidaN continuous rain - these guys need faster computers not so that they get betterK computer predictions, but to give them more time to look out the window :-)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:13:44 -0700r" From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates( Message-ID: <3EEA4C98.B02EA9EC@mist.com>  
 leslie wrote:t >  > : >oJ > : > Any negative information provided by former employers can be grounds > : > for a lawsuit. > :e= > : Out of curiosity, what do you know in regards to homelandp7 > : security people doing background checks on people??d > 
 > Nothing. > A > : The reason I ask is that just about every federal worker that = > : isn't squeaky clean are being fired for small things liker6 > : speeding tickets, going back almost 20 years, etc. > 4 > Do you have a link to an example of such firings ? >   7 No.  This is all inside info.  Currently this is takingr$ place at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard.  A > : I sense that something very wrong is going on and may lead tod: > : something more sinister in the works for this country.< > : At this point I wouldn't recommend anyone applying for a > : federal job. > :. > B > An administration capable of Patriot Act II needs to be watched: > + >    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I2AB11583h6 >    Even in Wartime, Stealth and Democracy Do Not Mix > ' > The original URL, wrapped to 2 lines:i > 6 >    http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/report.asp?, >    ReportID=506&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=06 >    Even in Wartime, Stealth and Democracy Do Not Mix > G >   "WASHINGTON, Feb. 12, 2003 -- A few days ago, the Center for PubliciA >    Integrity obtained a copy of draft legislation that the BushsK >    Administration has quietly prepared as a bold, comprehensive sequel to'E >    the USA Patriot Act. This proposed law would give the governmentr9 >    breathtaking new powers to further increase domesticaK >    intelligence-gathering, surveillance and law enforcement prerogatives,tE >    and simultaneously decrease judicial review and public access to  >    information..." > ' > The scanned document is available at:= > N >    http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/downloads/Story_01_020703_Doc_1.pdf > 2 >    http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=117' >    Whitley Strieber's Unknown Country_ > G >   "..The bill also authorizes secret arrests. Never in the history oflG >    our country has such a thing been countenanced. It is a horrifying K >    reminder of the way people used to disappear into the night and fog inuK >    Nazi Germany--but, as I point out below, it's actually even worse than68 >    the infamous 'Night and Fog' edict of the Nazis..." > . > A review of German history by Thom Hartmann: > 4 >    http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm3 >    When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History, > E >   "..February 27, 2003, was the 70th anniversary of Dutch terrorist L >    Marinus van der Lubbe's successful firebombing of the German ParliamentF >    (Reichstag) building, the terrorist act that catapulted Hitler toH >    legitimacy and reshaped the German constitution. By the time of hisE >    successful and brief action to seize Austria, in which almost noSJ >    German blood was shed, Hitler was the most beloved and popular leaderH >    in the history of his nation. Hailed around the world, he was later' >    Time magazine's "Man Of The Year."v > I >    Most Americans remember his office for the security of the homeland,yI >    known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and its SchutzStaffel, simply,5 >    by its most famous agency's initials: the SS..."   : Sad.   The real problem here is that these federal workers< were very loyal to the job and never revealed any classified information to anybody.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:16:17 -0700e" From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates( Message-ID: <3EEA4D31.646FB287@mist.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > O > In article <3EE976AE.93D22CEB@mist.com>, GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> writes:s > >n= > > Out of curiosity, what do you know in regards to homelando< > > security people doing background checks on people??  The= > > reason I ask is that just about every federal worker thats= > > isn't squeaky clean are being fired for small things likei6 > > speeding tickets, going back almost 20 years, etc. > H >    In my experience that's a severe exageration.  What is happening isG >    bad enough without making statements that cut credibility.  Do yous, >    have a reference to support this claim? >   9 No.  This is now currently happening at Puget Sound Naval  Shipyard in Bremerton, WA.; All inside info and people that I know that is it happeninge; to.  I really don't understand what a traffic ticket has to- do with a security risk.  H >    The Bush administration has succeeded in uniting Americans in a wayJ >    it never intended.  Well known quite conservative figures are workingG >    with the ACLU to protect our rights.  (reference:  Washington Posti >    6/13/03).  7 I think something else is happening, but I can't put my 7 finger on it yet.  I wonder if these idiots will spreads! their zeolotism to retired folks.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:11:30 -0400t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates) Message-ID: <3EEA7624.91FCDCB4@istop.com>o   GreyCloud wrote:= > All inside info and people that I know that is it happening = > to.  I really don't understand what a traffic ticket has to  > do with a security risk.  I Consider how a company such as Argenbright which had so many contracts toeL provide airport security was destroyed because so many of its employees wereL found to have had questionable records. The company has had to drop its name because of all the bad press.e  K Considering current environment in the USA, it is no surprise that militaryeM contractors would want all "i"s dotted to avoid embarassing their benefactorssV (the current administration) shoudl some of their employees generate some controversy.  L Not as bad as someone prevented from flying because he has a name similar toM that of a suspected arab even if that name is the arab equivalent of John Doe  or John Smith.  M George Orwell erred by 17 years in his predictions. I just find it rather odd K that americans were always so vocal against some national identity card butoK are saying nothing about plans to monitor every financial transaction, evenrJ those outside the USA as much as they can, and to listen in on all emails.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:23:13 -0400i( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>6 Subject: Re: Knowledge of VMS tests for job candidates, Message-ID: <3EEA8711.3000405@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > GreyCloud wrote: > = >>All inside info and people that I know that is it happeninga= >>to.  I really don't understand what a traffic ticket has to- >>do with a security risk. >> > K > Consider how a company such as Argenbright which had so many contracts topN > provide airport security was destroyed because so many of its employees wereN > found to have had questionable records. The company has had to drop its name > because of all the bad press.i > M > Considering current environment in the USA, it is no surprise that militaryuO > contractors would want all "i"s dotted to avoid embarassing their benefactorstX > (the current administration) shoudl some of their employees generate some controversy. > N > Not as bad as someone prevented from flying because he has a name similar toO > that of a suspected arab even if that name is the arab equivalent of John DoeB > or John Smith.    ; How about denied 'due process' and 'confront your accuser'?0  P The FAA is required to pull a pilot license if the zealots determine a pilot is N a risk, and there is no recourse!  No hearing!  No trial!  And if the zealots N determine that the information they have is classified, you don't even get to $ hear WHY this action has been taken!    O > George Orwell erred by 17 years in his predictions. I just find it rather oddiM > that americans were always so vocal against some national identity card butsM > are saying nothing about plans to monitor every financial transaction, evenXL > those outside the USA as much as they can, and to listen in on all emails. >   L The Bush administration has got to go.  You may expect this from a bleeding M heart liberal, but how about from a 'card carrying' Republican conservative? hK The questions I have are whatever happened to reducing government, getting  L government out of people's lives, and such?  Unless the Democrats are total N idiots, (which many usually are), the 2004 presidential election is theirs to S lose.  All they have to do is believe in the constitution, freedom, and the people.t  @ As Dick Rutan has said, "freedom is more important than safety"!  I How did VMS job testing get so far off topic, and me back on the soapbox?a   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:03:41 -0700i0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>/ Subject: Re: mail to news gateways for OpenVMS? ' Message-ID: <3eea03ed$1@cpns1.saic.com>d   John E. Malmberg wrote:h > Michael Unger wrote: > 0 >> On 10-Jun-2003 19:18, John E. Malmberg wrote: >>J >>> I am looking for information on bidirectional news to e-mail gateways  >>> that >>> will run on OpenVMS. >> >>B >> What about contacting Mark Berryman, the "owner" of "Info-VAX"?$ >> (Perhaps he will jump in anyway.) >  > B > I have e-mailed him once already about this, and I got no reply.  F I have not seen any messages from you.  I would have replied if I had.  D > So far in my research I have discovered that it appears that most K > gateways are using a script to to use a news reader to read the files in  E > to a text file, and then submit them to e-mail, and to also do the  ( > reverse with a program to read e-mail. > K > It looks like I already have most of the tools needed to do the job, but cD > I was looking for a canned tool that would not really need to use  > temporary files.  I I doubt what I have would be of use to you.  I wrote my own email server oE a long time ago and still use it to do this sort of gatewaying.  The cE code is entirely in MUMPS and not very useful to much of anyone else.d  D However, I have had a project on my plate to convert this to MX for H quite a while now.  It looks like it may actually happen this year.  If B so, then these tools will become somewhat more useful for the VMS  community at large.w  
 Mark Berrymanh   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:07:37 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>2 Subject: Re: Motif 1.3, Euro sign not standard ?!?) Message-ID: <3EEA12E9.66B5EEE4@istop.com>e   Michael Unger wrote:I > When I send plain ASCII text from my mail account at DECUS to one of my I > other mail accounts there is a "Content-Type" header too (the very sametE > as mentioned above) and, in addition, a "Content-Transfer-Encoding:eJ > quoted-printable" header. As far as I know DECUS is also running vanilla) > VMSmail (and TCPIP Services of course).   N It depends on what TCPIP stack it is running, more precisely, the SMTP foreignJ transport image. With PMDF, the quoted-printable automatically kicks in asN soon as you have an accented character in the message. (once the message is inM PDMF's hands, PMPF transforms it into an RFC822 format with whatever encodingo# futs the contents of your message).s  K Other SMTP mailers always encode, and others don't know how to encode (thatnE is, i believe the case of the Digital TCPIP Services SMTP% transport.o  L I have some pop-to-mail software which "de-mimes" quoted printable contents.L So for simple messages, I don't see the "=41" stuff. But if it is sent as an" attachement, then I see the stuff.  M Designing a mail message parser that can handle all formats is an interestingnM challenge. To do it properly, one must implement "piping" in the programming. N (consider the case of a multi-attachement message with one attachement being aH complete message by itself which itself contains multiple attachements).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:17:00 +0200o6 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DFran=E7ois=20Pi=E9ronne?= % Subject: New release of MySQL for VMS + Message-ID: <3EEA151C.617D0140@laposte.net>   N I have just put online a new kit of MySQL, this is version 4.0.13 which is the latest stable version.   More information about change:, http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/News-4.0.13.html  I Now, the VMS version of MySQL server run under a dedicated non privilegedn account.  L I have also build a PCSI kit which contain pre-build version for VMS 7.3 andG higher (anyway I don't expect MySQL to run under older version of VMS).   K Source kit can be download from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jfp/n  : PCSI kit from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/  , There is also a faster North America Mirror.    K I also expect to release a pre-build Python PCSI kit soon, more informatione- can be found on http://vmspython.dyndns.org/.r         Jean-Franois Pironne   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2003 15:09:18 -0700# From: fernando.vallarino@oca.com.uye! Subject: Problems with SYS$GETRMIm= Message-ID: <5da5a1ff.0306131409.1e3162a7@posting.google.com>   ? I'm trying to obtain the cpu usage of an AlphaServer using thisbE system service (SYS$GETRMI), but all the counters are 0 in all modes.n6 The value returned is 1 (also in the IO status block).	 Any idea?  Here is the code:    main() {r         float Espera = 10;E         unsigned int CPUInterrupt,CPUKernel,CPUExec,CPUSuper,CPUUser,s*                         CPUCompat,CPUIdle;         IL Sol[] = {6                 {4, RMI$_INTERRUPT, &CPUInterrupt, 0},0                 {4, RMI$_KERNEL, &CPUKernel, 0},,                 {4, RMI$_EXEC, &CPUExec, 0},.                 {4, RMI$_SUPER, &CPUSuper, 0},-                 {4, RMI$_USER,  &CPUUser, 0},o0                 {4, RMI$_COMPAT, &CPUCompat, 0},,                 {4, RMI$_IDLE, &CPUIdle, 0},,                 {0, 0,          0,        0}
         };         int Ret;         IOSB Iosb;  5         Ret = sys$getrmi(0, 0, 0, &Sol, &Iosb, 0, 0);,5         printf("GETRMI = %d %d\n", Ret, Iosb.status);p4         printf("CPUInterrupt = %d\n", CPUInterrupt);.         printf("CPUKernel = %d\n", CPUKernel);*         printf("CPUExec = %d\n", CPUExec);,         printf("CPUSuper = %d\n", CPUSuper);*         printf("CPUUser = %d\n", CPUUser);.         printf("CPUCompat = %d\n", CPUCompat);*         printf("CPUIdle = %d\n", CPUIdle); }g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:15:15 -0400o< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>, Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts5 Message-ID: <bcd4bp$hm93g$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>o   JF Mezei wrote:t > Peter Weaver wrote:h8 >> The DECNet/SNA gateway, DTF, SNA-3270-TE, SNA-PRE and; >> SNA-3270-DSPI and SNA-PRE are all still supported by HP.e >e= > Are they still being developped or just under maintenance ?i (also,4 > weren't they always supported by some 3rd party ?)  < I haven't seen any new releases in a while, but I don't know= of anything new they could add in.  I also don't know who the": people we talk to work for, but we call the standard phone8 that we have been calling for DEC/COMPAQ/HP problems for, years. They are always quick with an answer.   -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.a) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New Yorkm   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Jun 2003 12:02:51 -0700( From: rferrell@smcwv.com (Rusty Ferrell), Subject: Re: Rookie question for the experts= Message-ID: <9b72a38f.0306131102.78fd0612@posting.google.com>k  ` "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message news:<3EE8A2ED.12904.12B7E48@localhost>...J > > I'm thinking that I might have a port speed problem as well. The DS10LJ > > ethernet ports are 10/100 ports and the thinwire is only 10mb. I can'tF > > seem to locate in ALPHABIOS or VMS where I can set this speed to a > > fixed valuep > E > At the boot prompt (>>>), SET EWA0_MODE TWISTED will set to 10 MB, a
 > non-duplex.  > G > Or, add a 10/100 switch.  You should be able to use a transceiver on nD > the DEC/SNA box off the AUI connector, and go twisted pair to the 	 > switch.- >   A Thanks to all for the infomation. I located a console manual last F night and found the "SET EWA0_MODE" funtion and resolved (I think) theD issues with DECnet. As for DECnet/OSI, that is the way it was listedD on the installation CD. I don't tihnk that I have a need for OSI vs.? Phase IV but it seems our existing AlphaServer has OSI softwareoB installed so I selected it. The SNA connection to our mainframe isB operational on the existing AlphaServer 2100 running OVMS 7.1 so IE should not have to make changes to the mainframe side (I think), just ; need to configure the new DS10L to talk to the Gateway. ThesC application does some sort of "screen scrap" with terminal emulatorsE from what I understand. I have never seen the application so I really 7 have no clue what they are doing with it at this point.   = I appreciate everyone's help. I'm sure I'll be back with more ? questions as I progress. I'm gonna learn this thing yet! <grin>f   Rusty'   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:18:46 -0400i* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP Services startup) Message-ID: <3EEA1585.3331ED21@istop.com>    Chris Moore wrote:N > but once the boot is complete, all protocols work correctly, but a $SHOW NET > yields the following:t > D > Product: TCP/IP Node: <TCPIP not yet started> Address(es): 0.0.0.0 > D > Another node, same hardware, same versions, with seemingly similar/ > startup,displays correctly.  Any suggestions?a  9 in systartup_VMS.com, change the actual TCPIP startup to:i  K SUBMIT/NOPRINT SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM/user=SYSTEM and then check the  logs after it has completed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:35:58 +0200 2 From: "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>< Subject: Thanks to all: Cluster unusable by SMBD port scans?3 Message-ID: <3EEA35AE.C2B80D17@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de>t  F I want to thank all of you for your contributions which have been very helpful . JF Mezei, labadie, Woland, D. Webb, R. Brodie, B.Z. Lederman, J. Gemignanii  A I learned a lot and still got some other ideas to test. Just whenoF normally VMS is runnig so well and one  has not much time to take careH of it (besides the normal Unix and Windows business) one usually forgets some of the basics...e  " This thread was quite interesting.   Regardsa   Otto -- r,  -------------------------------------------, | Dr. Otto Titze, Kernphysik TUD           |, | Schlossgartenstr. 9, D-64289 Darmstadt   |, | titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de                |, | Tel: +49(6151)16-2916,FAX:16-4321        |,  -------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:13:10 -0400M* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>; Subject: Re: Upgrade1: Cluster unusable by SMBD port scans?y) Message-ID: <3EEA1435.18B9AA5F@istop.com>    "Dr. Otto Titze" wrote:%H > Another possibilty would be to check the node in the smbd_startup.com.% > With telnet sessions I already usedvB > $ ipnode=f$getdvi(f$getdvi("tt:","tt_phydevnam"),"tt_accpornam")    L I am not familiar with Samba. Is it a service defined in TCPIP Services ? If so, look at the  TCPIP> HELP SET SERV/LOG e  M I know that for telnet, FTP, I have any connect request logged to OPCOM  (andrI operator log). They contain the IP addres and/or host name. And for loginiJ failures, the IP address is shows as a single integer. (you can then set aK symbol to that value, and then SHOW SYMBOL to look at its ex equivalent andw0 you see the 4 bytes that makeup the IP address).  L If SAMBA is not defined in TCPIP Services, then with TCPIP Services 5.3, youL might consider defining the service there. Requests will be "intercepted" byQ the TCPIP stack, logging done etc, before it is passed on to the smbd_startup.comg   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:47:50 -0500 (CDT)o From: sms@antinode.orgD Subject: VMS V7.3-1 v. Exabyte EXB-8505XL and compression/compaction) Message-ID: <03061322475057@antinode.org>u  H    Back on 12-NOV-2002, I complained about a problem with compression on: my Exabyte EXB-8505XL 8mm tape drive ("device type EXABYTEG EXB-8505SMBANSH2", and revision level 0793, according to SCSI_INFO), onlC my AlpSta 200 4/233 running VMS V7.2-1.  The problem was that whilecF BACKUP. INITIALIZE, and MOUNT accepted /MEDIA_FORMAT = COMPACTION, theH activity LED stayed green instead of yellow, implying that the drive was not actually compressing.#  H    One correspondent claimed that all was well on VMS V7.3 (VAX or Alpha not specified).h  D    Now that I have my new Hobbyist kit, I've advanced to VMS V7.3-1,B with all the likely patches as of about 1-JUN-2003, including "DECD AXPVMS VMS731_BACKUP V1.0", "DEC AXPVMS VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI V3.0", and "DEC AXPVMS VMS731_SYS V3.0".   E    I regret to report that now any command specifying /MEDIA_FORMAT =tG COMPACTION causes a failure: "%xxxx-F-DRVERR, fatal drive error" (wherel@ "xxxx" is "INIT" or "MOUNT").  It's not clear to me that this is9 actually an improvement, but I'm open to a good argument.s  @    After assembling a cast-off Pentium II system and more freelyF downloadable software than I thought existed (FreeDOS, Qlogic drivers,G Exabyte EXPERT), I tried updating the firmware in the drive from "0793"eB to "0808" (the latest I could find at exabyte.com).  This actuallyF worked, much to my amazement.  Of course, it made no difference in the) behavior for either VMS V7.2-1 or V7.3-1.s  G    If anyone out there has one of these things actually compressing (ons@ VMS -- It works fine on Solaris 9), or any useful advice, I'd be interested in hearing it.i  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode,orge    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:35:33 -0400h* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com># Subject: X-windows UID decompiler ?a) Message-ID: <3EEA4396.5AAB4B92@istop.com>   F Is there some utility to generale UIL source files from a UID module ?  M VMS has a UIL compiler that takes UIL files and generates UID files. I'd likes to do the reverse.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.327 ************************