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 Clustering Re: Clustering, Re: Do's and don'ts about cleaning keyboards Re: FC Tape on OpenVMS Re: HP #1 in Storage' IBM Not Interested In Acquiring OpenVMS P Re: IBM will buy SUN, it's obvious (Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH  syndrome P Re: IBM will buy SUN, it's obvious (Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome t/ Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! ? Keep The SEGWAY Off Our Sidewalks & Streets!     ------ #randum   Re: New release of MySQL for VMS  Re: New release of MySQL for VMS@ Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long)@ Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long) Re: TCP/IP Services startup   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:23:43 +0000 (UTC) . From: "Insomnee" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> Subject: Clustering 0 Message-ID: <bcidjf$2m3$1@sparta.btinternet.com>  L How do I tell which route my SCS traffic is taking? We have it configured soL that we have redundancy at the suggestion of our engineer, but he didnt knowI how to tell which path it is taking so we could test it. I would tell you F how we have it configured at present, but I cant remember from memory.   Ta :o)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:05:21 -0400 ) From: Andrew Robert <arobert@townisp.com>  Subject: Re: Clustering / Message-ID: <vepkc0l5gtg29d@corp.supernews.com>    Try using SDA to do this.   ? To do so, sign on as SYSTEM or a similar privileged account and   
 $ ANAL/SYSTEM  SDA>  SHOW NETWORK  D It will display several pages of information you will have to thumb  through but the info is there.     Insomnee wrote:   M >How do I tell which route my SCS traffic is taking? We have it configured so M >that we have redundancy at the suggestion of our engineer, but he didnt know J >how to tell which path it is taking so we could test it. I would tell youG >how we have it configured at present, but I cant remember from memory.  >  >Ta :o)  >  >  >    >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:54:51 GMT 3 From: wallacethinmintr@eircom.net (Russell Wallace) 5 Subject: Re: Do's and don'ts about cleaning keyboards 0 Message-ID: <3eed3ed5.214173902@news.eircom.net>  , On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:58:31 -0400, JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  K >Ah ! and I though I had lost a lot of keyboards by just gently washing the M >rubbery surface with windex. (remove all keys, wash keys separately).  Seems H >that the minute some water seeps in, the keyboard is rendered unusable.G >However, if you wait a few months, perhaps it would come back to life.   D I once spilled a cup of coffee over my keyboard, while in the middleC of an online game no less, so I really wanted to minimize downtime.   ? Unplugged it and propped it in front of a fan heater, waited 20 C minutes, said some prayers, plugged it back in, and it worked fine.    --   "Sore wa himitsu desu."  To reply by email, remove  the small snack from address. ! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:29:26 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: FC Tape on OpenVMS ' Message-ID: <3EECBB06.18F6F54C@fsi.net>    Marc Van Dyck wrote: > J > Company : Banksys (credit/debit cards transaction processing in Belgium) >  > Server side : 5 > Various Alphaserver models (GS160, ES40, 4000/4100)  > OpenVMS V7.2-1 or V7.2-1H1 > SCSI interface : KZPBAL > Backup software : OpenVMS Backup + SLS + DCSC + the ex DECscheduler + lots
 > of DCL code  >  > SCSI-FC bridge :B > OmniServe IV from TD Systems, resold and supported by StorageTEK >  > Drive side : > StorageTEK 9840 & 9940 > 4 powderhorn silos > ACSLS  > N > The whole config is being migrated to OpenVMS V 7.3-1, which supports native > FC tapes. , > We will then eliminate all SCSI equipment. > " > No particular problem to report.   Thanx for that. My config is:   H Twin GS1280 cluster. One has FC HBAs for tape - KGPSA-CA. Don't have the2 firmware version handy. May be 81A6, but not sure.  C FC switch is Brocade Silkworm 12000. Don't know (and can't get) the  firmware version.   F The NSRs are StorageTek SN3400 (rebadged CrossRoads kit, same as NSR). Firmware is V4.0.19.  G The drives are Quantum SDLT-320, LVD SCSI. Don't know firmware version.   ? Library is StorageTek L700E (x 2). Don't know firmware version.   > Robotic control is ACSLS V6.0.1 (version required for DCSC) on Solaris-8/SPARC.  H We share this with a bank of W2K and Novell servers who use LTO tapes inH these same libraries. They're having NSR problems, as well. I think it'sF NSRs (or firmware, V4.0.19), but STK and my VAR are not convinced yet.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:55:52 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: HP #1 in Storage F Message-ID: <YP6Ha.98039$G_.5376@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ; "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:b096a4ee.0306141304.6431c1d3@posting.google.com... > > keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message9 news:<cf15391e.0306121548.682fb980@posting.google.com>... C > > IDC Quarterly Report Affirms HP's No. 1 Position in Key Storage  > > Categories > > ? > > HP extended its lead over competitors in total disk storage  systems C > > factory revenue and held the No. 1 position in other major disk C > > storage markets during the first quarter of calendar year 2003, 2 > > according to a report issued June 6 by IDC.[1] > > @ > > Overall, HP built its lead in worldwide disk storage systems factory < > > revenue quarter-over-quarter with 26.3 percent share and
 maintained@ > > its No. 1 position in the total external disk storage system market.  > > F > > In the growing market of open storage area networks, HP maintained its B > > solid lead position for the third straight quarter, posting 28 percent F > > share in factory revenue -- more than three points higher than the > > nearest competitor.  > > = > > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030606a.html  > > F > > [1] IDC, "Worldwide Quarterly Storage Systems Tracker," June 2003. >  > D > Fine. How about VMS? If HP can gain market share for these things, why F > can't HP do the same VMS? I don't care about their storage and such.  F Simple answer...HP doesn't want to increase the VMS installed base. IfA they did, they'd be going about things VERY differently...like IT F community and executive level advertising extoling the virtues of VMS,C and marketing outside the select world of those who know the secret 
 handshake.  B You don't care about storage, and HP doesn't care about VMS. Seems fair to me.     F > Great, HP will have lots of storage running for other OS's. How does > this help VMS?  F It allows HP to charge you a premium when they sell you the exact sameF storage that runs on unix platforms because these sell so little of itF in the VMS market they have to amortize the cost of driver developmentF over fewer units. And you get the warm fuzzies knowing that you paid aA premium for a limited market product, just like buying a Ferrari.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:46:39 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) 0 Subject: IBM Not Interested In Acquiring OpenVMS; Message-ID: <z4bHa.28699$rb4.1472935@twister.austin.rr.com>  Keywords: ibm,uninterested,vms  ,    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10006*    IBM take over OpenVMS? No way, San Jose  *    IBM take over OpenVMS? No way, San Jose'    Mature = ancient of days, apparently   E   "...Here's what IBM has to say about the whole matter, although as  D    our correspondent tells us, Big Blue has NIH (not invented here)     syndrome.        Dear ------  H    Your recent e-mail query to Sam Palmisano regarding an article in theA    Inquirer.net has been forwarded to me for review and response.   A    You ask why it would not make sense for IBM to buy the OpenVMS E    business. As a former employee of Digital Equipment Corporation, I D    share your sense of pride in the quality and functionality of theI    OpenVMS operating system. When VMS was first being developed, it truly G    represented innovation and leadership in the industry and many newer >    operating systems have borrowed concepts and ideas from it.  H    However, while OpenVMS continues to occupy a substantial niche marketD    position, most enterprise customers are now looking for more openG    operating environments. As noted in the article, Compaq, and now HP, E    have not invested to keep up with the requirements of the customer B    base and the result is an inevitable decline in installed base.  I    With this market position, I don't think that it would be economically G    viable for a company like IBM to acquire the asset and bring it back H    up to currency in terms of capabilities. It's an unfortunate downwardF    spiral of higher maintenance fees causing more customers to defect.  F    There are several attractive substitutes to OpenVMS today, with theE    various UNIX-based operating systems approaching similar levels of      reliability and availability.  E    And, of course, OpenVMS's traditional competitors in products like I    IBM's zOS and OS/400 participate in many of the same market areas. I'm E    sure that OpenVMS will be running many enterprise applications for F    years to come, but the reality is that this is now a mature productG    without a lot of growth opportunity. This doesn't make an attractive     business proposition.      Regards,       Jeanette Horan     VP Software Group Strategy"    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:37:48 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>Y Subject: Re: IBM will buy SUN, it's obvious (Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH  syndrome  2 Message-ID: <6wydnR_d6f5lM3GjXTWcqA@metrocast.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EEC9BB4.721FEE96@istop.com...  > Bill Todd wrote:J > > If IBM felt that way, why didn't they buy Sun when its stock price was only# > > a bit over half what it is now?  > J > IBM has had its shares of antitrust issues. It knows that IBM buying Sun would  > bring those back.   + The question was intended to be rhetorical.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:33:18 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: IBM will buy SUN, it's obvious (Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome t ' Message-ID: <3EECBBEE.C55C7CBE@fsi.net>    Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 6 > There is only one thing to do with OVMS outside HP : > 8 > Becoming an independent company !!!  www.openvms.com !  C I know the guy who owns that domain name. Google c.o.v. for related  posts.  A Rest assured if he or I could come up with the required financial A resources, it (the appropriate offer, at least) would happen in a 
 heartbeat!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:08:01 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!G Message-ID: <5C2Ha.95404$G_.83315@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   ( "Everhart" <ge@gce.com> wrote in message$ news:bcg5ab$vl$1@bob.news.rcn.net...C > One of the problems IBM would have with VMS is that it so closely E > matches what has been getting put into MVS/zOS over the years, with F > rather less tape operating system heritage. I happened to be looking overD > a detailed security discussion of z/OS a couple days ago and notedF > that with VMS alone, or in a couple cases VMS plus some free addins,C > could do exactly the same things, mostly in exactly the same way.  > E > The mainframe market is not one IBM would willingly jeapordize, and F > if they were to be selling VMS on a merchant semiconductor ship likeB > Itanium, it might cannibalize the z/OS market more than anything else.  > F > Much better for an IBM executive to "decide" that VMS needs too muchB > fixing up for them to use. Actually it's good market defense for their ? > markets, and refusal to do something which, even if seriously  entertained F > by them, would risk harm to one of their large markets. In a similar positionA > I think any responsible and informed person would be obliged to  state C > something similar, regardless of the state of VMS' functionality, 	 features,  > robustness, or whatnot.  > A > If HP is unable or unwilling to make a go of VMS, sadly I don't 	 think any 2 > white knights are anywhere in the country round.    E It is highly unlikely that HP would sell VMS - in either sense of the @ word - to new customers or to an interested purchaser of all the= intellectual property that constitutes VMS. Why, you may ask?   ? Selling to new customers means , for the most part, advertising D 'widely', and marketing beyond the select few that HP has deigned to bless with their efforts.   E As to advertising, HP advertising of VMS isn't going to happen now or F ever, much for the same reasons that Digital (once it got PC religion) and Compaq had :? a) hp has bashed 'proprietary o/s'es as 'bad' for so long, that % advertising VMS makes them lose face. D b) it's better not say anything about ANY of the o/s'es you own than to praise ANY or ALL of them. * That's why they advertise Windows instead.    B As to a potential outright sale of VMS, that wouldn't happen for 2 principal reasons:D a) the hit on HP consulting and services revenues and the additional@ opportunities that having your people inside the customer's door
 presents, and B b) any company that would buy VMS would be looking to maximize its= return on investment. That means selling more product to more A customers, which means selling against hp, among others. Properly C advertised and marketed, VMS could make significant sales gains. HP A wouldn't want that to occur at their expense....but then again HP = doesn't seem to want that even though they currently own VMS.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:07:49 GMT * From: Rational_Transportation@wiltyt.co.crH Subject: Keep The SEGWAY Off Our Sidewalks & Streets!     ------ #randum, Message-ID: <063bde4f.16d6cd90@wiltyt.co.cr>  T Noting good can come from this new personal transpiration device. It will only serveH to make Americans FATTER  than they already are, by reducing exercise.  : Just what this critically obese society needs now, right?   P In addition, it will create hazards and annoyances on our sidewalks.  Even if weT restrict it to streets (assuming such rules could be enforced), it will slow traffic  and cause hazards there as well.  \ Let's take this singular opportunity to head this quality-of-life disaster off at the pass! V Contact your elected representatives and tell them to restrict this useless, indulgent  device to PRIVATE PROPERTY ONLY.   Thanks!  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -   F While coffees quickly reject porters, the frogs often play inside the 
 fresh eggs.     ? He'll be filling beside bizarre Khalid until his tape believes  5 undoubtably.  When doesn't Moammar answer steadily?     G It's very rural today, I'll move quietly or Garrick will recommend the  A potters.  It will talk slowly if Said's pin isn't old.  Will you  E depart at the autumn, if Pete hatefully looks the draper?  Roxanna's  B shirt improves without our paper after we fear near it.  One more @ strong dryer or winter, and she'll believably grasp everybody.  ? Pervis shouts the smog to hers and tamely cares.  Don't try to  = solve subtly while you're nibbling between a pathetic diet.     @ These days, it arrives a carrot too kind throughout her durable E house.  Taysseer, beneath tyrants sweet and clean, jumps through it,  @ dreaming surprisingly.  He should badly judge near Ben when the @ elder dusts dine before the rich fog.  When will we climb after C Fred loves the strange summer's film?  If you will kill Allahdad's  F cave throughout cats, it will crudely change the cobbler.  Yesterday, ? envelopes comb throughout outer rivers, unless they're heavy.   = Hardly any distant farmers against the healthy sunshine were    wasting for the solid doorway.     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:49:53 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>) Subject: Re: New release of MySQL for VMS @ Message-ID: <b2aa8c9896f977c60a8211205c72c9cb@free.teranews.com>  , In article <3eec3b85_1@news.chariot.net.au>,1  Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:   K > Thanks but no thanks Jean-Franois.  According to a lot of the volume of  J > this forum what is required for VMS specifically, and IT in general, is H > is more a return to home-spun, right-of-centre, non-commie-ideologue, I > closed-source software, and definitely less compliance (lest unsavoury  F > foreign ideas take root).  Being able to exchange data with non-VMS G > systems cannot be good (what about all that nasty contagion?).  Nice  I > try, but what the VMS jobs market requires is less industry compliance  : > and more niche projects.  That's the wave of the future.  H Um, is there a smiley face missing from the end of that rant or are you G being as mean-spirited and hypocritcal as you appear to be?  Given the  H fact that you are the author of an open source web server that has done D as much as any package out there to enable VMS systems "to exchange D data with non-VMS systems" via standard interfaces I have to assume E there is deep irony in your remarks, but that's a bit hard to see on   first reading.  E What people building VMS-based solutions need is applications, and I  H think what most of them care about are features and quality rather than H mode of production or distribution.  Despite the "volume of this forum" F there are plenty of good packages out there that are free and/or open G source, and even more that use industry standard interfaces.  MySQL is  E a very important piece of the solutions puzzle because so many other  A packages are based on it, and its availability can only multiply  D options for real people trying to get work done.  Kudos and thanks, F Jean-Franois -- keep up the good work and be sure to submit this for  the freeware CD.   > Jean-Franois Pironne wrote: O > > I have just put online a new kit of MySQL, this is version 4.0.13 which is   > > the  > > latest stable version. > > " > > More information about change:0 > > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/News-4.0.13.html > > M > > Now, the VMS version of MySQL server run under a dedicated non privileged  > > account. > > M > > I have also build a PCSI kit which contain pre-build version for VMS 7.3   > > and K > > higher (anyway I don't expect MySQL to run under older version of VMS).  > > O > > Source kit can be download from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jfp/  > > > > > PCSI kit from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ > > 0 > > There is also a faster North America Mirror. > >  > > O > > I also expect to release a pre-build Python PCSI kit soon, more information 1 > > can be found on http://vmspython.dyndns.org/.  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > Jean-Franois Pironne >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:34:21 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> ) Subject: Re: New release of MySQL for VMS 3 Message-ID: <bciu47$lhl$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au>    Craig A. Berry wrote: . > In article <3eec3b85_1@news.chariot.net.au>,3 >  Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:  >  > K >>Thanks but no thanks Jean-Franois.  According to a lot of the volume of  J >>this forum what is required for VMS specifically, and IT in general, is H >>is more a return to home-spun, right-of-centre, non-commie-ideologue, I >>closed-source software, and definitely less compliance (lest unsavoury  F >>foreign ideas take root).  Being able to exchange data with non-VMS G >>systems cannot be good (what about all that nasty contagion?).  Nice  I >>try, but what the VMS jobs market requires is less industry compliance  : >>and more niche projects.  That's the wave of the future. >  > J > Um, is there a smiley face missing from the end of that rant or are you I > being as mean-spirited and hypocritcal as you appear to be?  Given the    + Glad the irony has not gone uncommented on.   E Would have spoiled the effect to have an overt smiley.  It's perhaps  G indicative that such a tounge-in-cheek amalgam of heavy metal could so  L easily be taken for serious comment within this forum.  Perhaps I just need F to improve my literary skills, or give up on social comment.  My only F excuse is I was hungover from my earlier post on MIT magic and VMS' X  Window System environment.  J > fact that you are the author of an open source web server that has done F > as much as any package out there to enable VMS systems "to exchange F > data with non-VMS systems" via standard interfaces I have to assume G > there is deep irony in your remarks, but that's a bit hard to see on   > first reading. > G > What people building VMS-based solutions need is applications, and I  J > think what most of them care about are features and quality rather than J > mode of production or distribution.  Despite the "volume of this forum" H > there are plenty of good packages out there that are free and/or open   
 WASD perhaps?   I > source, and even more that use industry standard interfaces.  MySQL is  G > a very important piece of the solutions puzzle because so many other  C > packages are based on it, and its availability can only multiply  F > options for real people trying to get work done.  Kudos and thanks, H > Jean-Franois -- keep up the good work and be sure to submit this for  > the freeware CD.  D Jean-Franois is a good friend of mine and 'official' European WASD J Advocate.  He is very active in bringing these industry-standard tools to I the VMS shop-floor.  (And all in his own time too.)  You rightly applaud   his efforts.   >>Jean-Franois Pironne wrote:  >>N >>>I have just put online a new kit of MySQL, this is version 4.0.13 which is  >>>the >>>latest stable version.  >>> ! >>>More information about change: / >>>http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/News-4.0.13.html  >>> L >>>Now, the VMS version of MySQL server run under a dedicated non privileged >>>account.  >>> L >>>I have also build a PCSI kit which contain pre-build version for VMS 7.3  >>>andJ >>>higher (anyway I don't expect MySQL to run under older version of VMS). >>> N >>>Source kit can be download from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jfp/ >>> = >>>PCSI kit from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/  >>> / >>>There is also a faster North America Mirror.  >>>  >>> N >>>I also expect to release a pre-build Python PCSI kit soon, more information0 >>>can be found on http://vmspython.dyndns.org/. >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>Jean-Franois Pironne  >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:12:42 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>I Subject: Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long) 2 Message-ID: <bcikab$ls9$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dirk Munk wrote: > R >>participating in this newsgroup. It seems there are still something like 450,000 >>VMS systems around,  >  > O > This figure is good to publish to help kill the image that VMS is dead, but I D > personally do not find it credible in terms of "active" VMS sites. >  > O >>problem is that no one seems to be reponsible for the Motif architecture as a R >>whole, that is including for instance the TCP/IP changes that have to be made to8 >>  bring the Motif environment up to today's standard.  >  > K > 1- Motif is progressing nicely. It is up to version 2.1 I think (or is it O > 2.0). Ironically, it is available on HP-UX. But VMS has a very old version of P > Motif. Someone took a decision that VMS wouldn't be scalable anymore and would$ > only run on wildfireclass systems.  ) I was refering to the 'new' Motif on VMS.    > O > 2-XDM has very little to do with Motif.  It is just a "who is willing to give K > me a login screen" ? protocol. It is only after XDM has done its job that M > X-windows comes into play with the X-client popping a login screen onto the K > X-server. And this is done at the TCPIP level. While X can use DECNET for M > transport, XDM is a TCPIP stack protocol, so it is logical to put in in the  > TCPIP software.   K I did understand that. But the two are connected, so if it is 'normal' for  P present day versions of Motif to be accompanied by a newer version of XDM, then L such a version of XDM should also be available on VMS when a new version of  Motif is released.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:12:41 +0200 & From: Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si>I Subject: Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long) / Message-ID: <3lcHa.1574$78.43259@news.siol.net>    Mark Daniel wrote:I > Well, it's been a fortnight (or whatever the metric equivalent of that  C > is these days) and this issue has generated only the *slightest*  % > interest from the c.o.v. community.  > J > The only conclusion I can draw from this is what is such a *significant*F > problem for our environment is unique to us (I'm tempted to add - in@ > contrast to so many, seemingly off-topic threads, that do get ? > considerable discussion in this forum). No one else needs to  I > interoperate in heterogenous X environments?  It would seem then, that  I > DEC/Cpq/HP have made the correct call on where their resources need to  0 > be deployed (and who can blame them for that). > I > I'll (one more time) need to go, cap-in-hand, to those that administer  I > our environment and explain that VMS, yes - once again, cannot be made  F > to integrate into that.  Oh well, perhaps RLM made the correct call I > after-all.  Shame.  Never thought I'd be resigned to it, but you can't  % > swim against the tide indefinitely.  > H > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+F >  Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaideG >  mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au) H > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ >   ( No, we just give up and use workarounds.   Regards, Bob --  A   Bob Marcan                             mailto:bob.marcan@snt.si A   Aster^H^H...HermesPlus^H^H^H...S&T   mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si A   Nade Ovcakove 1                       tel:    +386 (1) 5894-329 A   1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                      http://www.snt.si    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:51:21 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP Services startup5 Message-ID: <JL6Ha.234059$lL2.2366741@news.chello.at>   ^ In article <BvlGa.2418$PD3.28429@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Chris Moore" <moore_mc@hotmail.com> writes:M >We have  recently inherited an Alpha 4000 running 7.1-2 with TCP/IP Services > >5.0A-ECO1.  The normal system startup is executed, including: > $ >$ @SYS$STARTUP:SYS$NET_SERVICES.COM >            and! >$ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM  > M >but once the boot is complete, all protocols work correctly, but a $SHOW NET  >yields the following: > C >Product: TCP/IP Node: <TCPIP not yet started> Address(es): 0.0.0.0  >  > C >Another node, same hardware, same versions, with seemingly similar . >startup,displays correctly.  Any suggestions?  H The @SYS$STARTUP:SYS$NET_SERVICES.COM is done implicitely in VMS startupE (VMS$BASEENVIRON-050_VMS.COM) and therefor there is no need to run it J explicitely in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM. Try to remove it and see what happens...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.331 ************************