1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 19 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 338       Contents:/ Re: DCL$AL_TAB_VEC equivalent for OpenVMS Alpha / Re: DCL$AL_TAB_VEC equivalent for OpenVMS Alpha / Re: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350 / RE: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350 / Re: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350 / Re: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350 # Re: EVA-5000 performance monitoring  F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE) File lock by another user. How to delete? - Re: File lock by another user. How to delete? - Re: File lock by another user. How to delete? - Re: File lock by another user. How to delete? - Re: File lock by another user. How to delete? - Re: File lock by another user. How to delete? - Re: File lock by another user. How to delete? - FS/FA: My last two 600MHz 164LX EV56 machines   Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?  Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?+ Re: Installation problem with OpenVMS 7.3.1 " Re: lib$spawn and persona services* Re: Max length of Nodename in OpenVMS 7.31* Re: Max length of Nodename in OpenVMS 7.31* Re: Max length of Nodename in OpenVMS 7.31* Re: Max length of Nodename in OpenVMS 7.31 Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware P Re: Mozilla on old hardware - Slowon newer gear too - Equal Opportunity Resource  OpenVMS Pearl - Thursday June 19 OpenVMS Pearl - Wed June 18 # Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol # Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol # Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol # Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol # Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol # Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol  Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMI5 Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour? 9 RE: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour? @ Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long)" Tracing  EXE -> OBJ -> SRC modules' Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days  Re: VMS Freeware CDs Re: VMS SQL client" Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIR& Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIR& Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)* RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)* RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)* RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)3 Re: You say you want apps for VMS?  Here they come! @ Re: [ENABLE AUTOSTART] How to determine the state of AUTOSTART ?@ Re: [ENABLE AUTOSTART] How to determine the state of AUTOSTART ? Re: [OT]    Humour  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:01:46 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG8 Subject: Re: DCL$AL_TAB_VEC equivalent for OpenVMS Alpha0 Message-ID: <00A219B9.1C74A577@SendSpamHere.ORG>  H In article <STCoauGKBF0w@cpva.saic.com>, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:1 >In article <00A21934.127236A2@SendSpamHere.ORG>, & >   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>{...snip...}E >Which is at CTL$AG_CLITABLE - where the above code points, right? Or  >am I completely missing this?  D Right.  But the original code attempted to LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL theC DCL$AL_TAB_VEC in the image DCLTABLES.EXE loading it into P0 space.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 03 04:29:00 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com 8 Subject: Re: DCL$AL_TAB_VEC equivalent for OpenVMS Alpha( Message-ID: <IBfhugY9m81x@cpva.saic.com>  0 In article <00A219B9.1C74A577@SendSpamHere.ORG>,%    VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: J > In article <STCoauGKBF0w@cpva.saic.com>, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:2 >>In article <00A21934.127236A2@SendSpamHere.ORG>,' >>   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  >>>{...snip...} F >>Which is at CTL$AG_CLITABLE - where the above code points, right? Or >>am I completely missing this?  > F > Right.  But the original code attempted to LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL theE > DCL$AL_TAB_VEC in the image DCLTABLES.EXE loading it into P0 space.  >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM 
 >             7 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   >   ? Now I see - and you provided the mechanism to continue with the F LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL method - so almost no change to his code - cool.   --   - Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:49:04 -0400 8 From: Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu>8 Subject: Re: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350& Message-ID: <3EF1BF50.EEAFFA0@vcu.edu>  
 how much??  	 Jim Agnew    David Turner wrote:  > " > correction DSRVW-ZA ( 8 x RS232) >  > DT   --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:21:57 -0400 / From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@mansply.com> 8 Subject: RE: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350? Message-ID: <MDEGJFAOHGLNLHONIEBMEEMJCLAA.hvanderw@mansply.com>   L if you can find folks to pay $350 a piece for them  let me know I would like% to get that for the ones I have!!! :)    Hank Vander Waal       -----Original Message-----? From: Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery [mailto:jpagnew@vcu.edu] % Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:49 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 Subject: Re: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350    
 how much??  	 Jim Agnew    David Turner wrote:  > " > correction DSRVW-ZA ( 8 x RS232) >  > DT   --F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 09:11:48 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD3503 Message-ID: <N+nzFxBuZXE1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <3EF1BF50.EEAFFA0@vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes:  > how much??  E The subject of this thread says USD350, which I presumed was a price.    >  > Jim Agnew  >  > David Turner wrote:  >>  # >> correction DSRVW-ZA ( 8 x RS232)  >>   >> DT    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:03:16 -0400 8 From: Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu>8 Subject: Re: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350' Message-ID: <3EF1ECD4.836C751D@vcu.edu>   ' duh....  *NOW* i see it...  thanks...      Larry Kilgallen wrote: > c > In article <3EF1BF50.EEAFFA0@vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> writes:  > > how much?? > G > The subject of this thread says USD350, which I presumed was a price.  >  > > 
 > > Jim Agnew  > >  > > David Turner wrote:  > >>% > >> correction DSRVW-ZA ( 8 x RS232)  > >> > >> DT    --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 08:29:28 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) , Subject: Re: EVA-5000 performance monitoring3 Message-ID: <y9PqniHW5h0c@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <bcpijt$p5n@library2.airnews.net>, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> writes:H >     We'll look into that.... I think it does not show I./O at the unitM > level... ie.e $1$Dga2130: .... I'm told that EMC has something that can get > > stats from an HP SAN, but HP does not.... how could that be? >   < 	Maybe because stats are in their best interest.  They could? 	show you that you have hotspots and need to purchase Symmetrix ) 	Optimizer to move those hotspots around.   ; 	Perhaps you can get a glance at EVA by tracking down cross = 	platform at the host level.  In addition to looking at queue : 	lengths from 2000, you can get a good picture at response? 	time with VMS now.  Aside from the obvious running MONITOR and , 	looking for queue lenghts on VMS also . . .  C 	If you have 7.3-1 and XFC on know some of your hottest files, here : 	is a way of looking at just how responsive the EVA drives 	are for those hot files:   9 	1)  Find file id.  By example on a hotfile do a dir/full     			File ID:  (3037,15,0)     6 	 If you don't know your hot files, find them like so:  ' 		$ show memory/cache=(volume=*,topqio)   6 	2)  Find the FID's CFB Address in hex representation:   SDA> set output d.d  SDA> xfc XFC> show file/brief	 XFC> exit 	 SDA> exit  $ search d.d "3037,15,0"P FFFFFFFF3BE42900 FFFFFFFF4005E080 DISK$SITE_VOL             (3037,15,0)  225    3    1 196295830  15560299   7.93%       20        20    	3)  Go back in    SDA> set output d.d  SDA> xfc$ XFC> show file FFFFFFFF3BE42900/stat  5 	Edit the file, towards the bottom is the good stuff.   < 	( Alternately and easier, is looking at everything at once:   	SDA> set output d.d	 	SDA> xfc  	XFC> show file/stat
 	XFC> exit
 	SDA> exit 	 7 	edit d.d and search for "aaaa,bb,c" and scroll down. )    	Stats:   0 Statistics Valid From:    4-MAY-2003 03:21:45.13  * Total QIOs to this file:         196316510* Read IOs to this file:           193908559* Read Hits:                        15560301+ Hit Rate:                            7.93 % * Read Aheads:                             0* Read Throughs:                   1939085595 Read Arounds:                            0 (/NOCACHE) > Read Arounds:                            0 (Function modifier)4 Read Arounds:                            0 (IO Size)  * Write IOs to this file:            2407951* Write Throughs:                    24079515 Write Arounds:                           0 (/NOCACHE) > Write Arounds:                           0 (Function modifier)4 Write Arounds:                           0 (IO Size)  . Average Overall I/O response time to this file,  in milliseconds:                     4.05590 Average Cache Hit I/O response time to this file,  in milliseconds:                     0.0163+ Average Disk I/O response time to this file ,  in milliseconds:                     4.40361 Accuracy of I/O resp time:                   72 %    ---   < 	Maybe not exactly what you are after but would at a minimumC 	tell you how well your hot VMS files are being served.  At average F 	IO of 4.4036 ms, we are getting good response on our non-EVA storage.  A 	How many drives in your disk pool?  Doing heavy graphics?  OLTP? > 	If the latter, you are no doubt limited by how many drives inA 	the pool (if limited at all) as you won't be saturating a 2 Gbit ( 	port and serving up smallish random IO.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:39:59 +0100 + From: Rok Vidmar <Rok.Vidmar@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> # Subject: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE $ Message-ID: <3ef1f573@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  9 AlphaServer 4100 5/400 4MB, OpenVMS AXP V7.3-1, ECOs till  08-MAR-2003.  A $ write sys$output f$getqui("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NODE","*") A %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling    \MANAGER_NODE\ $   .   I expected this to tell me something else :(   --   Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 ; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464  Slovenia   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:31:29 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>' Subject: Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE 8 Message-ID: <4ps3fvkal8o6d7t0rv1reaaq2ujaamv4n9@4ax.com>  P On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:39:59 +0100, Rok Vidmar <Rok.Vidmar@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> wrote:  @ >write sys$output f$getqui("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NODE","*")   Try this sequence:  . $ CLEAR_CONTEXT = F$GETQUI("CANCEL_OPERATION")7 $ QMGR = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NAME","*") E $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NODES",QMGR, -  	"FREEZE_CONTEXT")
 CDSVRA,CDSVRB   I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 05:29:46 +0000 - From: Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> 2 Subject: File lock by another user. How to delete?. Message-ID: <3EF14A4A.5080103@nospamonline.no>   Hello vms community   y I am writing some small prorgrams produsing som files. But the program fails before completing. When I try to delete the  =    files from this program I get the following error message:   8 %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting <file this and that>1 -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user   W I guess that since my program failed, the file was not closed before the program ended.   ( Someone who got an idea how to fix this?   Regards    Trygve Aspenes   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:16:40 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?) Message-ID: <3EF1553E.B6C4AE20@istop.com>    Trygve Aspenes wrote: : > %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting <file this and that>3 > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user  > Y > I guess that since my program failed, the file was not closed before the program ended.    In the other program, use the  $ON ERROR THEN GOTO CLOSE_FILES # $ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO CLOSE_FILES   
 $CLOSE_FILES:  $CLOSE file1 $CLOSE file2 etc   A This way, if the user tries to abort, the code will branch to the L "close_files" where you will close the files before returning user to the %$& sign. (same thing if an error occurs).  M From your own process, the only way to "remotely" close the files would by to M hire some heavy duty guru to write an application that will covertly "insert" D code to execute in the other process to close the files. (needs mega privileges to do that).    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:49:21 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?$ Message-ID: <bcrmdh$nmb$3@online.de>  2 In article <3EF1553E.B6C4AE20@istop.com>, JF Mezei$ <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:     > In the other program, use the ! > $ON ERROR THEN GOTO CLOSE_FILES % > $ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO CLOSE_FILES  >  > $CLOSE_FILES:  > $CLOSE file1 > $CLOSE file2 > etc  > C > This way, if the user tries to abort, the code will branch to the N > "close_files" where you will close the files before returning user to the %$( > sign. (same thing if an error occurs).  ; Right.  The application should be fixed to close the files.   O > From your own process, the only way to "remotely" close the files would by to O > hire some heavy duty guru to write an application that will covertly "insert" F > code to execute in the other process to close the files. (needs mega > privileges to do that).   E On the other hand, you might try to delete a file before it has been  : closed.  I believe 7.3-1 (or some new version) introduces       DELETE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:04:12 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?) Message-ID: <3EF1605E.FF7019E1@istop.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: F > On the other hand, you might try to delete a file before it has been; > closed.  I believe 7.3-1 (or some new version) introduces  >  >    DELETE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK    J Woudln't that just flag the file for delete, with the real delete occuring# when you next run ana/disk/repair ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:34:07 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> 6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?2 Message-ID: <BB16C38E.9C58%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  I On 6/18/03 10:29 PM, in article 3EF14A4A.5080103@nospamonline.no, "Trygve ( Aspenes" <talong@nospamonline.no> wrote:   > Hello vms community  > N > I am writing some small prorgrams produsing som files. But the program fails- > before completing. When I try to delete the = >  files from this program I get the following error message:  > : > %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting <file this and that>3 > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user  > J > I guess that since my program failed, the file was not closed before the > program ended. > * > Someone who got an idea how to fix this? > 	 > Regards  >  > Trygve Aspenes > L If your program is in DCL, and was run by your current process then the fileJ is still open by your process, hence the DCL command $CLOSE <logname> willF close the file. Or if you terminate the process, VMS will run-down theK process and close the file for you. (See code example below to prevent this 	 problem).   F If your file is written in a higher language and the file is open by aI running image, then when the image terminates, the file will be closed by  VMS at Image run-down.  G However it is possible that the file may be open by another process, to H determine this use the command : $SHOW DEICE/FILES <disk-device> for theL disk that the file resides on. This will show you a list of all the files onI this disk that are open by the current node, and the process name and PID L that has the file open. You can then go terminate that process, or otherwise# determine why it has the file open.   F If you are in a cluster and the possibility is that another process onI another node of the cluster has the file open, then you can determine the L node and the process name that has the file open by the following commands : $MCR SYSMAN  SYSMAN>SET ENVIRIONMENT/CLUSTER ) SYSMAN>DO SHOW DEVICE/FILES <disk-device> J This will do the same SHOW DEVICE command on each node of the cluster, and& you can determine the culprit process.  J Back to the DCL program. If you have a DCL program that opens file via theL OPEN command, and it terminates abnormally, if you have not written the codeK to handle the termination exception, then the file will remain open. If you K then attempt to run the procedure again, you may get that the file is still K open by another process (you). To avoid this in your code, you can check to H see if the file is open by your process, if it is, close it properly and3 then open it as needed, using this coding example :   ? $IF (F$TRNLNM("FILELOGICAL") .NES. "") THEN $ CLOSE FILELOGICAL 7 $OPEN/READ FILELOGICAL SYS$DISK:[DIRECTORY]FILENAME.EXT    I hope this helps. Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:53:27 +0000 - From: Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> 6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?. Message-ID: <3EF16BF7.7070702@nospamonline.no>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Trygve Aspenes wrote:  > : >>%DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting <file this and that>3 >>-RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user  >>Y >>I guess that since my program failed, the file was not closed before the program ended.  >> >   > In the other program, use the ! > $ON ERROR THEN GOTO CLOSE_FILES % > $ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO CLOSE_FILES  >  > $CLOSE_FILES:  > $CLOSE file1 > $CLOSE file2 > etc  > C > This way, if the user tries to abort, the code will branch to the N > "close_files" where you will close the files before returning user to the %$( > sign. (same thing if an error occurs). >     = Ok, thanks. I have to implement this to avoid future problems   O > From your own process, the only way to "remotely" close the files would by to O > hire some heavy duty guru to write an application that will covertly "insert" F > code to execute in the other process to close the files. (needs mega > privileges to do that).  >     Z So it is not only the file that is locked? Is the process still running? I can not find it   Trygve   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:18:42 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?( Message-ID: <3EF1F071.DF572CF@istop.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote: I > However it is possible that the file may be open by another process, to J > determine this use the command : $SHOW DEICE/FILES <disk-device> for the  > disk that the file resides on.     I have come to like :   @ $PIPE SHOW DEV/FILES/NOSYS <disk:> | SEARCH SYS$INPUT <filename>  K This will give you the processes that have that file opened (beware of same 1 filename in different directories in the listing)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 05:48:53 -0600 - From: "Brian Zurbach" <briansz@sitemouse.com> 6 Subject: FS/FA: My last two 600MHz 164LX EV56 machines: Message-ID: <pan.2003.06.19.11.48.51.783086@sitemouse.com>   Hi All,   I I'm liking my new (to me at least) DS20E system, so I am letting my last  J two 164LX machines go.  One tower, one ATX 4U rackmount.  Tower goes up on? eBay later today, rackmount available for sale in the meantime.      Tower:  6 21164/533MHz running @ 600MHz, 96K L2 and 2MB L3 Cache GlobalWin 20CFM 60mm Fan 256MB ECC SDRAM (2x128)  4GB Maxtor 90422D2 IDE HD # LG Electronics 32x CD-ROM CRD-8322B - ATI Rage II (Mach64 GT) 4MB PCI graphics card ) Intel Pro100 Fast ethernet card (100mbps) % Creative SoundBlaster 32 ISA (CT3600)  3.5" floppy drive ) 250-watt PSU with variable speed SmartFan ' ATX tower case (from Carrera Computers) , (2) 64-bit PCI's and (1) ISA slot available = (2) 5.25" external and (2) 3.5" internal drive bays available - Includes PS/2 Keyboard and Mouse, power cable B SuSE 8.1/kernel 2.4.19/XFree4.2/KDE3/Gnome/IceWM/2.2GB of SW totalA Includes SuSE 8.1 Boot/Rescue CD (load extra SW packages via FTP)   ( Going up on eBay with a BuyItNow of $319      
 4U Rackmount:   6 21164/533MHz running @ 600MHz, 96K L2 and 2MB L3 Cache, BRAND NEW ThermalTake/YS-Tech 25CFM 60mm Fan  256MB Kingston ECC SDRAM (2x128). 9GB Seagate 39173W 9.1GB UW SCSI HD (40MB/sec) Adaptec 2940UW PCI card  Toshiba XM-6302B 32X CD-ROM % Kingston KNE-100TX Fast ethernet Card   Matrox MGA 2MB PCI graphics card( Creative SoundBlaster AWE32 ISA (CT3670) 2-Port OHCI PCI USB card 3.5" Floppy Drive  250-Watt PSUA Very nice ATX 4U rackmout case (beige) with locking door and keys  (1) ISA slot available& (1) 5.25" internal drive bay available- Includes PS/2 keyboard and mouse, power cable B Suse 8.1/Kernel 2.4.19/Xfree4.2/KDE3/Gnome/IceWM/2.3GB of SW totalA Includes SuSE 8.1 Boot/Rescue CD (load extra SW packages via FTP)     First $400 + S/H owns it.       . Both machines will be shipped from 85351, USA.  A I've used both these Alphas since December 2002 and have had zero H issues with them.  They are fast (8 hour Seti groups, 1190 BogoMIPS) andF solid.  They spec out about 5-10% behind my DS20E with a single 500MHz, EV6/4MB processor (i.e. pretty respectable).  @ Both have been updated to the latest SRM version (5.8.1) and can, optionally run AlphaBIOS versions up to 5.7.  J These are the DEC 164LX boards with two 64-Bit PCI's and two 32-bit PCI's.  D You won't go wrong with either of these machines if you are after a J turnkey Linux Alpha system.  SuSE 8.1 is the most recent distro available J unless you want to compile everything from source (ala Gentoo).  I like itF as much on Alpha as I like Mandrake 9.1 on x86 (the distro on my daily driver box).      6 Desktop screenshot (captured with Xgrab) available at:  2 http://www.sitemouse.com/users/briansz/screen1.jpg      ' Please email with any questions/offers.      Regards,   Brian S. Zurbach briansz@sitemouse.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:19:47 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron? ) Message-ID: <3EF155F8.1584182F@istop.com>    mist dragon wrote:H > As for porting VMS to Opsteron I doubt it wery much because porting isF > very expensive and doing that would postpone port for few more yearsF > and anyway, if 9 CPU's and up is HP's strategy then why would they ?  N Maybe Bob GQ Palmer will repent and get AMD to give tons of cash to HP to portI VMS to Hammer and AMD will start to promote VMS as an example of high end L running on and AMD chip.  (Is Palmer still on the board of AMD, or have they5 come to their senses and kicked the <censored> out ?)    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 05:18:59 -0700. From: mistdragon@zdnetonebox.com (mist dragon)) Subject: Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron? ; Message-ID: <7500353b.0306190418.563100@posting.google.com>    Btw, HP confirms AMD 64 use...  2 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/31302.html   Mist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:05:22 GMT " From: Eric Bruno <eric@ebruno.org>4 Subject: Re: Installation problem with OpenVMS 7.3.1) Message-ID: <3EF18AE4.7030307@ebruno.org>    John Santos wrote:( > On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Eric Bruno wrote: >  > D >>Technically the 168LX boards are unsupported for OpenVMS. But haveF >>worked with 7.2.  It just may not work. Tru64, Linux and FreeBSD allD >>run with a problem. So it's most likely a hardware issue with someF >>component most likely the SCSI controller since I have tried severalH >>different hard disks and two different CD-ROM drives.  The common itemM >>is the SCSI controller. The ethernet card is a tulip so should be ok there.  > H The ethernet card is DE500-BA which is called out in the supported list.F The scsi card is a NCR 53C895 looks there might two flavors one which H works with FreeBSD/Linux/Tru64/VMS and on that does not.  I have to pull+ card and get the exact specs from the card.    > F > Are you sure the CD itself is okay?  Maybe there is a problem in the  > middle of one of the savesets? > D > I have never tried to do "$ANA/DISK/READCHECK" on a CD, so I'm notH > sure it is possible, but if you can get to $$$ (Option 7 after bootingD > the CD), you could give this a try.  (I'm pretty sure ERRFMT, etc.F > aren't running in the stand-alone environment, since they would haveE > no where to log stuff, so maybe their absence is masking a hardware  > problem.)  > F I'll give that a try.  CD is from the http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/ # site.  They have the cd's verified.     G The system boots fine, I can get to option 7 and play around for hours. 1 It's just the tail end of the install that hangs. . ana disk_structure or readcheck come up clean.6 I can copy the entire cd to harddisk, delete it ..etc.  > The question is after it loads CDSA what is trying to do next?. Looking the command file it's not clear to me.        G > I don't see how you could get as far as you did if there is something  > fundamentally wrong. >  > I >>Looks like I am just going to have to get another box which is offical  J >>supported list.  Island has some reburbished boxes and I will just keep  >>an eye on e-bay. >> >>Thanks for your help.  >> >> >>Thanks for help. >> >>Charlie Hammond wrote: >>K >>>Eric, I do not see anything obvious from this.  My guess is that you are K >>>running out of some resource that is causing the system to hang and also M >>>blocking any indication of the problem.  But you probably guessed as much.  >>> K >>>Unless someone else has any suggestions, I sugest that you escalate this 0 >>>formally through your normal support contact. >>>  >>> O >>>In article <3EEF78FD.60209@ebruno.org>, Eric Bruno <eric@ebruno.org> writes:  >>>  >>> : >>>>Here is last file lines of the output when it freezes: >>>>I >>>>%PCSI-I-DELFIL, deleted DKA0:[000000.PCSI$WRK26.][SYS.HELP]CDSA.HLP;1  >>>>%PSCI-I-CREFILE, created  ? >>>>DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON,][SYSLIB]CDSA$DAALPROXY_SHR.EXE;1  >>>>%PSCI-I-CREFILE, created  @ >>>>DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON,][SYSLIB]CDSA$DUMMYMULTI_SAR.ESW;1 >>>>%PSCI-I-CREFILE, created  @ >>>>DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON,][SYSLIB]CDSA$DUMMYMULTI_SAR.EXE;1 >>>>%PSCI-I-CREFILE, created  ? >>>>DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON,][SYSLIB]CDSA$EAYCSP300_SHR.EXE;1  >>>> >>>> >>>>Charlie Hammond wrote: >>>> >>>>- >>>>>In article <3EEEA595.20407@ebruno.org>,  ) >>>>>Eric Bruno <eric@ebruno.org> writes:  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> 3 >>>>>>I have an Aspen Durango II (164LX) Alpha box. 3 >>>>>>I am having problem installing OpenVMS 7.3.1.  >>>>>  >>>>>..  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> 2 >>>>>>The install starts and gets to 60% point and: >>>>>>just freezes no message no response at the keyboard. >>>>>  >>>>>..  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> 0 >>>>>>Is there way to get log or trace info ...? >>>>>  >>>>> 	 >>>>>Yes.  >>>>>   >>>>>Select the DCL option, then >>>>> 6 >>>>>   $$$ DEFINE/SYSTEM AXPVMS$PCSI_LOG_TRACE "BOTH" >>>>>and: >>>>>   $$$ DEFINE/SYSTEM AXPVMS$PCSI_EXECUTE_VERIFY "YES" >>>>> L >>>>>LOGOUT from DCL to return to the main menu, then [re]do the insallation >>>>>or upgrade. >>>>> L >>>>>This will generate a *LOT* of output.  The last lines before the "hang"J >>>>>will give an indicatin of where exactly the process is "stuck".  CopyC >>>>>them _exactly_ and post them -- 5-10 lines is probably enough.  >>>>>  >>>> >>>> >> >> >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 09:41:51 -07005 From: forrest.cahoon@merrillcorp.com (Forrest Cahoon) + Subject: Re: lib$spawn and persona services = Message-ID: <8369d643.0306190841.6ea9ed7a@posting.google.com>   Y briggs@encompasserve.org wrote in message news:<9kBx74NK4b$m@eisner.encompasserve.org>... w > In article <8369d643.0306171355.7bb3649e@posting.google.com>, forrest.cahoon@merrillcorp.com (Forrest Cahoon) writes: E > > I've been attemping to use persona services, and I'm running into C > > trouble using lib$spawn while impersonating a user who has only . > > the standard NETMBX and TMPMBX privileges. > H > At a guess, without delving carefully into your code, the impersonatedB > user does not have access to your job logical name table and theE > mailbox created to support the spawn operation cannot have its name  > catalogued there.  >  > 	John Briggs  * This does indeed appear to be the problem.  D Now, is there any way I can explicitly give my impersonating processB permission to write to its job table, keeping any extra privileges given to an absolute minimum?    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:45:50 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)3 Subject: Re: Max length of Nodename in OpenVMS 7.31 $ Message-ID: <bcrm6u$nmb$2@online.de>  8 In article <3EF0E890.50005@tg.nsw.gov.au>, Paddy O'Brien& <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> writes:   H > > I'd rather whip together a Fortran program over a C program any day. > H > I do too for the intensive number crunching parts of my applications. G > Modern whizz-bang user interfaces that everyone thinks they want are  # > doable, but probably easier in C.   A A good Fortran programmer can write Fortran code in any language.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:53:17 +0100  From: Dave Brennan <> 3 Subject: Re: Max length of Nodename in OpenVMS 7.31 8 Message-ID: <3bu2fv83ghgrdek4trpnoejnlscqas31hb@4ax.com>  ' jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> wrote:   ; >On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:22:05 +0100, Dave Brennan <> wrote:  > < >>Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote: >>   >  >Hey!  I resemble that remark! > E >I'd rather whip together a Fortran program over a C program any day.   F Isn't it the other way around you herd a FORTRAN program together. YouE whip a C program, holding a chair and hope you don't lose an arm when  it tries to have your hand off.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:53:58 +0100 + From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> 3 Subject: Re: Max length of Nodename in OpenVMS 7.31 8 Message-ID: <nk83fv0ii6nik1ol2pm4i9tb41og3mt113@4ax.com>  I On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:45:50 +0000 (UTC), helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   9 >In article <3EF0E890.50005@tg.nsw.gov.au>, Paddy O'Brien ' ><paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> writes:   > I >> > I'd rather whip together a Fortran program over a C program any day.  >>  I >> I do too for the intensive number crunching parts of my applications.  H >> Modern whizz-bang user interfaces that everyone thinks they want are $ >> doable, but probably easier in C. > B >A good Fortran programmer can write Fortran code in any language.  . Oh quite.  That's why I still do this in C :-(   if ( x=0 ) { ... }  L Mind you, I did spot a latent bug in one of our systems recently (actually IJ posted a query about the image exit status and lack of traceback, which weH corrected by finding an earlier dcl procedure which explicitly opened anJ output file and assigned sys$error to the same logical unit) - someone who/ wrote rather more C than Fortran had done this:n  : do while ( i.le.mxarray .and. vm_struct.array(i).ne. ) ...  L The Alpha F77 compiler tends to emit code that either performs all tests, orL can evaluate from right to left, where the older Vax compiler tended to workG left to right (yes, yes, I know it is wrong to assume this).  Even withhD array bounds checking, the accvio occurred because the structure wasG allocated in vm with array just large enough for that instance, but washF declared as having many more elements.  (A kind of pointless use of vmE really, as a single static structure would have worked just as well.)      	John    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 07:17:08 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o3 Subject: Re: Max length of Nodename in OpenVMS 7.31e3 Message-ID: <lKRbGVJRN4xJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  w In article <bcrm6u$nmb$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > C > A good Fortran programmer can write Fortran code in any language.r  C    Yeah but some Fortran are more equal than others.  The followingiC    is trivial in genuine Fortran or in Ada, but a PITA in C or C++:       character*80 a(12), b(3:19)    .    .    .    a(6:i)(k) = b(j:)(8)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:57:48 +0200e From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware2 Message-ID: <bcrjo3$61a$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:E > rob kas wrote: >  >> No It's REALLY slow >  > E > why is mozilla so slow and hungry for resources ? Is it of a designaF > incompatible with VMS, or just written inefficiently to begin with ? > H > Seems to me that Mozilla might be a big driver for 64 bit desktops :-)  G One of the reasons is that Mozilla is still being build with traceback  N information included. If Mozilla crashes, the resulting stackdump will enable 9 the programmers to find the problem and improve the code.P  P If I'm not mistaken, Mozilla 1.4 will be the last version that consist out of a P kind of monolitic source code for browser, mail agent, news agent and composer. M In future versions (1.5 is in the making) these components will seperate. So OL maybe we can get a Mozilla 1.4 final version without traceback information, G assuming that this information would not be usefull for 1.5 and higher.h  L And yes, Mozilla loves memory, but that is not so strange. If you open many K pages with lots of images in many tabs, then of course Mozilla really needs-8 that memory. In that case it can easily consume > 200MB.  P I'm sure that if Mozilla was written as 'real' VMS application, it would be far P more efficient. But alas, it is open source software that is designed to run on  all kind of platforms.  R However Mozilla for VMS is better with every version, more stable, and faster too.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:42:14 +0000 (UTC)LP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware$ Message-ID: <bcrm06$nmb$1@online.de>  ? In article <bcqnfm$pme$06$1@news.t-online.com>, Felix Deichmann  <f.dei@web.de> writes: e   > JF Mezei wrote:AG > > why is mozilla so slow and hungry for resources ? Is it of a designiH > > incompatible with VMS, or just written inefficiently to begin with ? > E > Programs on Alpha are always quite large when compared to the same AG > programs on VAX because of the Alpha's RISC design. That could be an i > explanation.  @ True.  However, Netscape on ALPHA uses MUCH fewer resources than	 Mozilla. s  E > Why is there only a Mozilla port for Alpha? Why is Compaq's ported i" > source of Mozilla not available?  G I think it has to do with the lack of IEEE stuff on the VAX.  (Or maybe.@ that is why there is no JAVA on VAX.)  However, considering what@ resources one needs to run it on ALPHA, it would probably be too sluggish on the fastest VAX. B   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:47:43 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardwareL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1906030647440001@user-105n83r.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <bcqi31$vk4$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:s  J >At home, I have a 3000/600 with 192 MB and a 255/233 with 64 MB.  I know I >that the requirements/recommendations/suggestions for Mozilla are for a /H >more powerful machine, particularly for more memory.  What will happen C >if I try it nevertheless?  Is it worth a try?  At the moment, I'm hJ >running it on a machine a thousand miles away with the display set to my I >local machine, over a DSL line, so for that reason the current setup is v. >a bit sluggish anyway (it IS usable, though).  F I haven't tried it.  As others have said, EV56 or later is best.  I'veI heard a rumor that part of the Java engine is hand-optimized for EV56 and J later, which would mean in likely uses instructions that are _emulated_ onG earlier alphas.  That would make it very slow if those instructions areo executed often.o   But mainly, Java is just slow.    E >(A related question, independent of Mozilla: I still have 7.2-1 and  < >things run fine.  Will 7.3-1 be possible with just 64 MB?)   J Yes, I've run 7.3-1 with 64 MB, but it is a tight fit.  92 or 128 MB would be a great improvement.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:06:48 GMTc" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware0 Message-ID: <00A219B9.D0A042AC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <c06Ia.2908$IU1.126@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:@x >In article <bcqi31$vk4$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:K >:At home, I have a 3000/600 with 192 MB and a 255/233 with 64 MB.  I know UJ >:that the requirements/recommendations/suggestions for Mozilla are for a I >:more powerful machine, particularly for more memory.  What will happen  0 >:if I try it nevertheless?  Is it worth a try?  >VE >  Mozilla will function, but will be very slow -- your definition ofaE >  "slow" and "usable" may vary from mine of course, but having triedrE >  this configuration with an AlphaStation 255/300 with 192 MB, I didlD >  not wish to continue with that particular effort.  But after someD >  Alpha hardware upgrades, I now run Mozilla full-time and its veryB >  nice -- I'm in the midst of downloading the current Mozilla 1.4 >  baselevel right now.o >uF >  My own general recommendations for Mozilla are for an EV56 or laterG >  Alpha processor, and for 256 MB (or more) of system physical memory.>  ; Dual processor AS1200 with 4GB... Mozilla is still as $#!+.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             -5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:13:37 +0100a* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware+ Message-ID: <bcs5t3$uje@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>"  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageiF news:rdeininger-1906030647440001@user-105n83r.dialup.mindspring.com...    > But mainly, Java is just slow.  - Maybe but what's that got to do with Mozilla?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 07:22:04 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware3 Message-ID: <Cmazf97a84d2@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  w In article <bcqi31$vk4$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:oB > At home, I have a 3000/600 with 192 MB and a 255/233 with 64 MB.  F    I run Mozilla on a 3000/600 with 256MB all the time without hogging=    memory.  I was running it on 64MB in that box and found its    unworkable.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:39:59 GMTe& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware2 Message-ID: <3XjIa.2965$sq2.1300@news.cpqcorp.net>   Richard Brodie wrote: A > "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messagehH > news:rdeininger-1906030647440001@user-105n83r.dialup.mindspring.com... >  >   >>But mainly, Java is just slow. >  > / > Maybe but what's that got to do with Mozilla?F >  >   - Because Mozilla uses a lot of Java thats why.   I I'm running Mozilla (including posting this reply) on my XP1000 with 2GB DC of memory.  I find the performance quite zippy and am very pleased.    -- h John Reagand' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leadert Hewlett-Packard Companyo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:09:38 +0200w+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> $ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware5 Message-ID: <bcsn84$mbmic$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>-  H Mozilla 1.4 on a Digital Server 5305 5/533 (one cpu) and 512 MB performs more than adequately.   J "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> schreef in bericht- news:Cmazf97a84d2@eisner.encompasserve.org... F > In article <bcqi31$vk4$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:D > > At home, I have a 3000/600 with 192 MB and a 255/233 with 64 MB. > H >    I run Mozilla on a 3000/600 with 256MB all the time without hogging? >    memory.  I was running it on 64MB in that box and found itu >    unworkable. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:26:39 -0700n+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> Y Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware - Slowon newer gear too - Equal Opportunity Resource % Message-ID: <3EF1E43F.30702@MMaz.com>i   JF Mezei wrote:    >rob kas wrote:i >  c >s >> No It's REALLY slow >>     >> >iD >why is mozilla so slow and hungry for resources ? Is it of a designE >incompatible with VMS, or just written inefficiently to begin with ?  >MG >Seems to me that Mozilla might be a big driver for 64 bit desktops :-)  >l >    > C Mozilla has ALWAYS been a pig on Windows systems too.  I've had it t@ running, the 1.5a from the June 9th trunk and at present, it is C consuming 101MB of RAM and on my dual P3-933Mhz system, it is only rH single-threaded and will frequently lockup all of the CPU cycles of the C processor it is running in for extended periods of time.  Example, dG clicked on Help > About Mozilla to get the current rev and build, took   20 seconds!   B Handling of imbedded MIME is beyond painful, and searching e-mail H messages without very large folders, well you can brew an entire pot of # coffee before that will complete...C  G Now, Mozilla is forking off the Firebird and Thunderbird projects, and NI so for, Firebird (which is the browser only) has addresses some of these s problems...M   BarryD   --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028i   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 06:28:14 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)6) Subject: OpenVMS Pearl - Thursday June 19-= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0306190528.7d7a4f8b@posting.google.com>t   Dear Folks,.   Distribution lists in the BCC.  C Great web page, please note that this company also does independent  crash dump analysis.  
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 >        )H > $ private_memory = f$element(0,")",f$element(1,"(",f$trnlnm("$tmp$")))E > $ write sys$output "This server has ''private_memory' total memory"l >  > $ @test get_memory_new  ; What is test.com?  Does it, by any chance, involve a spawn?    > $ test_acc/full/out=a.am& > $ sea a.a process,owner,start,finish  > SUBPROCESS Process TerminationQ > Account:           GB                Finish time:       18-JUN-2003 22:06:54.70 Q > Process ID:        000001B3          Start time:        18-JUN-2003 22:06:54.62cQ > Owner ID:          000001B1          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.08iQ > Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.03o  > SUBPROCESS Process TerminationQ > Account:           GB                Finish time:       18-JUN-2003 22:06:54.70tQ > Process ID:        000001B4          Start time:        18-JUN-2003 22:06:54.64 Q > Owner ID:          000001B1          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.06sQ > Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.01   > SUBPROCESS Process TerminationQ > Account:           GB                Finish time:       18-JUN-2003 22:06:54.70eQ > Process ID:        000001B2          Start time:        18-JUN-2003 22:06:54.60aQ > Owner ID:          000001B1          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.10HQ > Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.02   > SUBPROCESS Process TerminationQ > Account:           GB                Finish time:       18-JUN-2003 22:06:54.71tQ > Process ID:        000001B1          Start time:        18-JUN-2003 22:06:54.52tQ > Owner ID:          000000BF          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.19 Q > Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.05h > ' > $ write sys$output f$getjpi("","PID")l
 > 000000BF >   > Looking at the process owners:@ >  000000BF --> 000001B1 --> ( 0000001B2, 0000001B3, 0000001B4 )   Here's my accounting file:  @ Username:          VAXS09            UIC:               [VAXS09]O Process ID:        0010D158          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 07:39:29.93mO Owner ID:          000F81DF          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.55   @ Username:          VAXS09            UIC:               [VAXS09]O Process ID:        0010D157          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 07:39:29.91gO Owner ID:          000F81DF          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.58c  @ Username:          VAXS09            UIC:               [VAXS09]O Process ID:        0010A556          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 07:39:29.89 O Owner ID:          000F81DF          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.60F  J I didn't use a command procedure to run the PIPE command.  I just keyed it in by hand.-   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:28:50 +0000a. From: Graham Burley <100625.30@compuserve.com>, Subject: Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol. Message-ID: <3EF1C8A2.1A58AA0D@compuserve.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:T  = > What is test.com?  Does it, by any chance, involve a spawn?   > I posted TEST.COM in the original message, it's just a wrapper around $@'P1' no spawning.   > Here's my accounting file: > B > Username:          VAXS09            UIC:               [VAXS09]Q > Process ID:        0010D158          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 07:39:29.93OQ > Owner ID:          000F81DF          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.55o > B > Username:          VAXS09            UIC:               [VAXS09]Q > Process ID:        0010D157          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 07:39:29.91kQ > Owner ID:          000F81DF          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.58c > B > Username:          VAXS09            UIC:               [VAXS09]Q > Process ID:        0010A556          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 07:39:29.89xQ > Owner ID:          000F81DF          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.60) > L > I didn't use a command procedure to run the PIPE command.  I just keyed it
 > in by hand.n >  >         John Briggs-  ; I wonder if this is a version thing, no matter what I get 4 
 subprocesses:<   OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-2o   gb$ t0 = f$time()  gb$ pipe /nosym/nolog ( -o _gb$          show memory | -./ _gb$          search sys$pipe "Main Memory" | -e _gb$          ( -t' _gb$            read sys$pipe $tmp$ ; -s/ _gb$            define/job/nolog $tmp$ &$tmp$ -D _gb$          ) -v
 _gb$        )  gb$ t1 = f$time()r gb$ sho sym t%    T0 = "19-JUN-2003 13:55:11.12"    T1 = "19-JUN-2003 13:55:22.46"+ gb$ acc/sinc="''t0'"/bef="''t1'"/fu/out=a.at gb$ sea a.a process,owner  SUBPROCESS Process TerminationO Process ID:        000000E7          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 13:55:14.11-O Owner ID:          000000E6          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.05uO Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.04n SUBPROCESS Process TerminationO Process ID:        000000E8          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 13:55:14.13mO Owner ID:          000000E6          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.07eO Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.02  SUBPROCESS Process TerminationO Process ID:        000000E9          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 13:55:14.171O Owner ID:          000000E6          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.03IO Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.01  SUBPROCESS Process TerminationO Process ID:        000000E6          Start time:        19-JUN-2003 13:55:14.07 O Owner ID:          000000AB          Elapsed time:                0 00:00:00.13 O Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.03d' gb$ write sys$output f$getjpi("","PID")  000000AB   Graham   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 09:19:42 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org, Subject: Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol3 Message-ID: <GRBPxaMxPAPo@eisner.encompasserve.org>K  _ In article <3EF1C8A2.1A58AA0D@compuserve.com>, Graham Burley <100625.30@compuserve.com> writes:)= > I wonder if this is a version thing, no matter what I get 4W > subprocesses:b >  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-2g   I'm on OpenVMS V7.2-1 (Alpha).   > gb$ t0 = f$time()a > gb$ pipe /nosym/nolog ( -s > _gb$          show memory | -C1 > _gb$          search sys$pipe "Main Memory" | -e > _gb$          ( -u) > _gb$            read sys$pipe $tmp$ ; - 1 > _gb$            define/job/nolog $tmp$ &$tmp$ -y > _gb$          ) -P > _gb$        )m   WAIT A MINUTE!  E I see it now.  You have an extra set of parentheses around the entirel pipeline.  Take 'em out.  C When I was reproducing things, I was keying in by hand.  And I read  right past the outer parens.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:48:01 +0000 . From: Graham Burley <100625.30@compuserve.com>, Subject: Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol. Message-ID: <3EF1DB31.39B7AC3A@compuserve.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:r >  > > gb$ t0 = f$time()e > > gb$ pipe /nosym/nolog ( -r! > > _gb$          show memory | -n3 > > _gb$          search sys$pipe "Main Memory" | -6 > > _gb$          ( -B+ > > _gb$            read sys$pipe $tmp$ ; -o3 > > _gb$            define/job/nolog $tmp$ &$tmp$ -  > > _gb$          ) -  > > _gb$        )s >  > WAIT A MINUTE! > G > I see it now.  You have an extra set of parentheses around the entire  > pipeline.  Take 'em out. > E > When I was reproducing things, I was keying in by hand.  And I read  > right past the outer parens. >  >         John Briggst  F Eek! Spot on, remove the outer parens and it's down to 3 subprocesses.L However, the syntax was as per GET_MEMORY_NEW.COM as posted by John Brandon.   Graham   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:41:24 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon), Subject: Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol1 Message-ID: <03061910412453@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   ! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:r > >  > > > gb$ t0 = f$time()  > > > gb$ pipe /nosym/nolog ( -d# > > > _gb$          show memory | - 5 > > > _gb$          search sys$pipe "Main Memory" | -a > > > _gb$          ( -?- > > > _gb$            read sys$pipe $tmp$ ; - 5 > > > _gb$            define/job/nolog $tmp$ &$tmp$ -M > > > _gb$          ) -M > > > _gb$        )g > >  > > WAIT A MINUTE! > > I > > I see it now.  You have an extra set of parentheses around the entirea > > pipeline.  Take 'em out. > > G > > When I was reproducing things, I was keying in by hand.  And I read   > > right past the outer parens. > >  > >         John Briggs  > H > Eek! Spot on, remove the outer parens and it's down to 3 subprocesses.N > However, the syntax was as per GET_MEMORY_NEW.COM as posted by John Brandon. >  > Graham  K Did I hear my name used in vain?  Would not be the first time!  I just used K what was posted...  I do not know why they were there - probably to make ite user-readable.  I My co-worker did point out that it would be a whole lot easier to use then following LEXICAL function...   + $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MEMSIZE") /128d  # Same result and a whole lot faster!.L Kind of takes all the fun away doesn't it??? ;)  But obviously the point was not about memory but PIPE.     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*nn VMS Systems Administratorn* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 11:53:28 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org, Subject: Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol3 Message-ID: <63D4AW6YIJMG@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  \ In article <03061910412453@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:K > My co-worker did point out that it would be a whole lot easier to use thea > following LEXICAL function...a > - > $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MEMSIZE") /128M > % > Same result and a whole lot faster!   F Isn't that always the way.  You sweat and strain, gain a factor of two; here, ten percent there and fifteen percent somewhere else.e  C And just when you're patting yourself on the back, some joker shows F you how it could have been done more easily and a hundred times faster* by taking a completely different approach.   :-)t   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 09:26:19 -0700# From: fernando.vallarino@oca.com.uyv% Subject: Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMIc< Message-ID: <5da5a1ff.0306190826.cf4fc69@posting.google.com>   > 9 > At a minimum, your example code is faulty as it stands.t > I > You should be calling the wait service, rather than the asynch service.e  L I've tried GETRMIW but if I use it the linker returns the following message:  % %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:o# %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         SYS$GETRMIW 9 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SYS$GETRMIW referencede)         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000190 >         in module RMI1 file DSKP2:[LOGIN.VALLARINO]RMI1.OBJ;43  K When I call the system service with an AST routine, the values are 0 again.lH Also when call the system service with an event flag and waiting for it, the values still remain 0.    6 > You should also be outputting the value of Ret also.    The value of Ret was SS$_NORMAL.  I > Is your definition of the structure IOSB correct?  If done incorrectly,a > it could be a problem.  - I'm using the IOSB type defined in IOSBDEF.H.a  F > Is your definition of the structure IL (item List) correct?  If done% > incorrectly, it could be a problem.   , I'm using the ILE3 type defined in ILEDEF.H.   The code with the event flags:  -----------------------------   #define __NEW_STARLET> #include <stdio> #include <string>  #include <stdlib>> #include <starlet> #include <lib$routines>P #include <rmidef>P #include <iledef>P #include <iosbdef> #include <ssdef>  O unsigned int CPUInterrupt,CPUKernel,CPUExec,CPUSuper,CPUUser,CPUCompat,CPUIdle; G unsigned short int LInterrupt,LKernel,LExec,LSuper,LUser,LCompat,LIdle;P unsigned int PrcLEF; unsigned short int LLEF;   void ShowValues(void)M {LC         printf("CPUInterrupt = %d %d\n", CPUInterrupt, LInterrupt);C:         printf("CPUKernel = %d %d\n", CPUKernel, LKernel);4         printf("CPUExec = %d %d\n", CPUExec, LExec);7         printf("CPUSuper = %d %d\n", CPUSuper, LSuper);o4         printf("CPUUser = %d %d\n", CPUUser, LUser);:         printf("CPUCompat = %d %d\n", CPUCompat, LCompat);4         printf("CPUIdle = %d %d\n", CPUIdle, LIdle);1         printf("PrcLEF = %d %d\n", PrcLEF, LLEF);s }d   main() {p         ILE3 Sol[] = {@                 {4, RMI$_INTERRUPT, &CPUInterrupt, &LInterrupt},7                 {4, RMI$_KERNEL, &CPUKernel, &LKernel},a1                 {4, RMI$_EXEC, &CPUExec, &LExec},>4                 {4, RMI$_SUPER, &CPUSuper, &LSuper},2                 {4, RMI$_USER,  &CPUUser, &LUser},7                 {4, RMI$_COMPAT, &CPUCompat, &LCompat},"1                 {4, RMI$_IDLE, &CPUIdle, &LIdle},n.                 {4, RMI$_LEF, &PrcLEF, &LLEF},,                 {0, 0,          0,        0}
         };         int Ret;         IOSB Iosb;         unsigned int EFNumber;         unsigned int EFMask;          unsigned int EFMaskTest;         int i;    $         Ret = lib$get_ef(&EFNumber);         if (Ret != SS$_NORMAL)                 exit(Ret);         if (EFNumber == -1) {r0                 printf("No more event flags\n");                 exit(0);	         }a*         EFMaskTest = 1 << (EFNumber % 32);"         Ret = sys$clref(EFNumber);7         if ((Ret != SS$_WASCLR) && (Ret != SS$_WASSET))m                 exit(Ret);<         Ret = sys$getrmi(EFNumber, 0, 0, &Sol, &Iosb, 0, 0);<         printf("GETRMI = %d %d\n", Ret, Iosb.iosb$w_status);          if (Ret != SS$_NORMAL) {'                 lib$free_ef(&EFNumber);                  exit(Ret);         } else {+                 Ret = sys$waitfr(EFNumber); (                 if (Ret == SS$_NORMAL) {6                         sys$readef(EFNumber, &EFMask);2                         if (EFMask & EFMaskTest) {3                                 printf("Set ok\n");s-                                 ShowValues();u                         } else4                                 printf("Not set\n");                 }a'                 lib$free_ef(&EFNumber);s	         }n }    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:38:25 +0100m' From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com>-> Subject: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour?' Message-ID: <3EF1AEC1.930BB222@csc.com>-   All,  F At the customers request, I have created the following raid sets using swxcrmgr on an Alpha 4100i     DRA0:    single 2GB JBOD     DRA1:    4*2GB Raid-5y     DRA2:    4*2GB Raid-5.     DRA3:    3*2GB Raid-5      DRA4:    2*2GB Raid-5F  @ I have then started to initialize them. This is seemingly takingA forever. At the time of writing this post, the procedure has beenbD running for 30 hours and the %age completions are 73, 23, 21, 31, 61
 respectively.e  F Maybe I shouldn't have started them off at the same time, but I didn'tH expect it to take this long. Is this expected behaviour given the set-up and sizes as stated above.   Thanks,:   Adex   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:32:59 -0400l From: koskaj@bender.comuB Subject: RE: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour?= Message-ID: <03061911325991.10572.38190071@alaxp3.bender.com>@  H >From:	SMTP%"abirkett@csc.com"  "Adrian Birkett" 19-JUN-2003 08:48:03.69 >To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com< >Subj:	Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour? >o >All,y >oG >At the customers request, I have created the following raid sets using  >swxcrmgr on an Alpha 4100 >    DRA0:    single 2GB JBODe >    DRA1:    4*2GB Raid-5 >    DRA2:    4*2GB Raid-5 >    DRA3:    3*2GB Raid-5 >    DRA4:    2*2GB Raid-5 >nA >I have then started to initialize them. This is seemingly takingVB >forever. At the time of writing this post, the procedure has beenE >running for 30 hours and the %age completions are 73, 23, 21, 31, 61x >respectively. >iG >Maybe I shouldn't have started them off at the same time, but I didn'twI >expect it to take this long. Is this expected behaviour given the set-up> >and sizes as stated above.o >a >Thanks, >r >Ade >r  N It is about the same experience that I have had with my 2100a.  Once they are G init'd though, things are fairly quick, as in rebuilds with spare disk hK coming in on failed disks.  SWXCR on my 2100 out performs 5 KZPSA channels a@ with same disk types using StorageWorks RAID software to RAID-5.   :) jck   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:48:58 GMT 9 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>eI Subject: Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long)y2 Message-ID: <_PlIa.2985$jG2.2164@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in messageg# news:3EF0B21F.30273AAB@istop.com...r > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:G > > THERE WAS NO SUPPORT IN XLIB FOR IT, SO XDM DIDN'T INCLUDE IT!  NOW  THERElB > > IS, AND IN SOME FUTURE RELEASE IT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO USE IT. > L > I am curious. Why with the XDM magic cookies authentication be included inA > X-lib ?  These happen well before an "x" functions are started.w >h  E No, not really.  X11 has a weak and ad-hoc security method.  When thelJ connection is made, the server exhanges - via some X11 protocol messages -J any authentication.  Magic-Cookie-1 is just one of them.  This all happensK way down in XLIB on the client side.  If the authentication fails, then the  connection is not completed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:25:23 -0700e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>M+ Subject: Tracing  EXE -> OBJ -> SRC modulesg9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEALHHAA.tom@kednos.com>e  I ANAL/IMAGE will tell me which linker was used to link the OBJ, but how dor2 I uniquely determine which object module was used?  J ANAL/OBJ will tel me which compiler was used, but how do I determine which source module was used?o  J Assume there are no log files.  IOW, given only an image can you determine the OBJ and SRC modules? ---8& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 06:25:49 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)a0 Subject: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0306190525.78d9120f@posting.google.com>g   Dear Newsgroup,w   She's back!t  D Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London and ViennaF talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and would likeB to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated.  
 Warm Regards,a Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:01:24 +0200n$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days5 Message-ID: <bcsl2m$meoch$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>,  * On 19-Jun-2003 15:25, Sue Skonetski wrote:   > Dear Newsgroup,i > 
 > She's back!  > F > Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London and ViennaH > talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and would likeD > to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated.  @ Are the presentations (PDF, PPT, ...) available on the Web? URL?   Michaela   -- n  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.r= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:19:30 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>b4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate daysH Message-ID: <molIa.137678$G_.64370@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  1 "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in messagel/ news:bcsl2m$meoch$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de...:, > On 19-Jun-2003 15:25, Sue Skonetski wrote: >$ > > Dear Newsgroup,t > >< > > She's back!e > >oA > > Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London andi ViennaE > > talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and wouldg likeF > > to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated. > B > Are the presentations (PDF, PPT, ...) available on the Web? URL? > 	 > Michaelo     How about the carly video?   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 11:32:28 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days3 Message-ID: <URcZLH+S7ogq@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  \ In article <bcsl2m$meoch$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:, > On 19-Jun-2003 15:25, Sue Skonetski wrote: >  >> Dear Newsgroup, >>   >> She's back! >> tG >> Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London and Vienna-I >> talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and would likemE >> to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated.  > B > Are the presentations (PDF, PPT, ...) available on the Web? URL?  J Michael, please don't _discourage_ her from data formats supported by VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:43:05 +02000$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days5 Message-ID: <bcssu7$mprtv$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>c  , On 19-Jun-2003 18:32, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  ^ > In article <bcsl2m$meoch$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:- >> On 19-Jun-2003 15:25, Sue Skonetski wrote:  >>   >>> Dear Newsgroup,r >>>  >>> She's back!t >>> H >>> Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London and ViennaJ >>> talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and would likeF >>> to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated. >> eC >> Are the presentations (PDF, PPT, ...) available on the Web? URL?n > L > Michael, please don't _discourage_ her from data formats supported by VMS.    That wasn't my intention ... ;-)  H Normally presentations are given using hardware equipment other than DS,C ES or GS systems. And even the "OpenVMS Rolling Roadmaps" of HP (at F least the downloadable version) are PPT presentations not supported by the OS they are about.   Michael    -- -  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.e= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)e   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 05:25:01 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)i Subject: Re: VMS Freeware CDsE= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0306190425.62d57567@posting.google.com>t  A A 'zip "-V" somefile.zip somefile.bck', where 'somefile.bck' is aw# backup save set would suit me best!a   Thanks!s  	 Bart Zorni  ` "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in message news:<3ef0ce5d$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...K > if you all want a 'honking big' downloadable file of the freeware cd(s) Ii > can do it.J > What format do you want (backup save set compressed w/spool?), zip file? > 	 > -warrenr >  > -- iM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------o9 > Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM)AD > Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comM > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal: sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.comg0 > Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48757 >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselfn, >          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------m >  > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE > news:7PNHa.129895$3Sm.40260@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...a > >s0 > > <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message. > > news:00A21860.36AE95A1@SendSpamHere.ORG.... > > > In article <bcnfrr$roa$2@pcls4.std.com>,< >  moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:I > > > >I can host files if necessary.  I have a DSL line with no transfer 	 >  limit.n	 > > > >--6 > > > >-Mike > > >.H > > > FYI, I've had the freeware CDs V1 through V5 hosted at my site for >  somea > > > time and I've got a T1.- > >- > >-I > > So all that's required is someplace to list your site, Michael's, andn# > > others who are willing to host.o > >j > >R > >z   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:03:13 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: VMS SQL client 4 Message-ID: <bcsms2$mrj$1$830fa7b3@news.demon.co.uk>   Craig A. Berry wrote:9n > Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message news:<bc4ohp$dca$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>...& >>Built OK with MMK/macro=tdsver=tds80 > E > BTW, are you sure the target server is MS SQL Server 2000?  If not, 1 > you won't want version 8.0 of the TDS protocol.j   Yes.    >>Check appeared to mostly fail:  >>$ mmk/macro=tdsver=tds80 check >>copy PWD.IN PWD. >  > F > Er, did you first edit PWD.IN to contain a valid username, password,G > server name or address, and database name?  Before you attempt to run.F > the whole test suite, just try logging in like so, substituting your* > own server address and a valid username:  5 Finally, a working username/password ... many thanks.a  4 $ mc sys$disk:[]tsql  -"S100.100.107.2" -"UCCA\test"
 locale is "C"1 charset is "ASCII"4 Msg 5703, Level 0, State 1, Server NAVSRVSQL, Line 0' Changed language setting to us_english.P   1> sp_helpdb 2> gotC name    db_size owner   dbid    created status  compatibility_level G master       12.19 MB   sa      1       Aug  6 2000     Status=ONLINE, w= Updateability=READ_WRITE, UserAccess=MULTI_USER, Recovery=SI0 G model         1.13 MB   sa      3       Aug  6 2000     Status=ONLINE, r= Updateability=READ_WRITE, UserAccess=MULTI_USER, Recovery=FU0eG msdb         13.25 MB   sa      4       Aug  6 2000     Status=ONLINE, n= Updateability=READ_WRITE, UserAccess=MULTI_USER, Recovery=SI0aG NavisionLive        224.88 MB   CCAGROUP\Administrator  7       May 21 p= 2003     Status=ONLINE, Updateability=READ_WRITE, UserAccess0 G NavisionTest        300.00 MB   CCAGROUP\Administrator  8       May 21 o= 2003     Status=ONLINE, Updateability=READ_WRITE, UserAccess0r< Northwind             3.63 MB   sa      6       Aug  6 2000 D Status=ONLINE, Updateability=READ_WRITE, UserAccess=MULTI_USER, Rec0G pubs          2.00 MB   sa      5       Aug  6 2000     Status=ONLINE, c= Updateability=READ_WRITE, UserAccess=MULTI_USER, Recovery=SI0OG tempdb        8.75 MB   sa      2       Jun  9 2003     Status=ONLINE, w= Updateability=READ_WRITE, UserAccess=MULTI_USER, Recovery=SI0> (return status = 0)   @ Put the matching srv, uid, pwd, and db=NavisionTest into pwd.in. Got:   copy PWD.IN PWD.L DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.TDS.UNITTESTS]DYNAMIC1.C;1:  Test dynamic queries tds_connect() failed try_tds_login() failedI DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.TDS.UNITTESTS]T0001.C;1: r Testing login, logoutn tds_connect() failed try_tds_login() failedI DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.TDS.UNITTESTS]T0002.C;1: u  Test basic submit query, results tds_connect() failed try_tds_login() failedI DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.TDS.UNITTESTS]T0003.C;1: e! Testing DB change -- 'use tempdb's tds_connect() failed try_tds_login() failedI DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.TDS.UNITTESTS]T0004.C;1:   Test large (>512 bytes) querieso tds_connect() failed try_tds_login() failedI DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.TDS.UNITTESTS]T0005.C;1: i Test large (>512 bytes) replies) tds_connect() failed try_tds_login() failedI DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.TDS.UNITTESTS]T0006.C;1: n Test SYBREAL, SYBFLT8 values tds_connect() failed try_tds_login() failed some checks... 1234 123- -1234- errore overflow checks...
 2147483647 errora -2147483648o erroro 32767S errori -32768 errore 255P errorT 0s errore  overflow on big number checks... error7 erroro erroro errorm 12 unique type...# 12345678-1234-1234-9876543298765432r# 12345678-1234-1E34-9876AB3298765432o errorl error  errord# 12345678-1234-A234-9876543298765432g error  error  binary test... len=2 12 34_ len=2 AB FD_ len=2 AB FD  len=2 00 00m len=1 00 len=2 01 00o len=1 01 test some valid values..I prec=18 scale=0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 D2 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 c) 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00lI prec=18 scale=0 00 00 00 00 00 49 96 02 D2 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 t) 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 I prec=18 scale=0 00 01 B6 9B 4B A6 30 F3 4E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 s) 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 I prec=18 scale=0 00 0D E0 B6 B3 A7 63 FF FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 r) 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00n test overflow..  erroru erroreI prec=38 scale=0 00 00 00 00 01 8E E9 0F F6 C3 73 E0 EE 4E 3F 0A D2 00 00 w) 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00e erroreI prec=38 scale=0 00 4B 3B 4C A8 5A 86 C4 7A 09 8A 22 3F FF FF FF FF 00 00  ) 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  error K DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.CTLIB.UNITTESTS]T0001.C;1: n Testing login, logout- Login failedK DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.CTLIB.UNITTESTS]T0002.C;1: o Testing bind & selectV Login failedK DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.CTLIB.UNITTESTS]T0003.C;1: t% Retrieve CS_TEXT_TYPE using ct_bind()d Login failedK DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.CTLIB.UNITTESTS]T0004.C;1:  + Check ordering of returns from cs_results()t Login failedK DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.CTLIB.UNITTESTS]T0005.C;1: p Testing login, logout  Login failedK DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.CTLIB.UNITTESTS]T0006.C;1: a Testing conversion
 Test succedednK DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.CTLIB.UNITTESTS]T0007.C;1: o% Retrieve CS_CHAR_TYPE using ct_bind()  Login failedK DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.CTLIB.UNITTESTS]T0008.C;1: o Testing context callbacksr  Trying clientmsg_cb with context Trying cslibmsg_cb   CS-Library Message:o5 number 33620240 layer 2 origin 1 severity 1 number 16mH msgstring: cs_convert: cslib user api layer: external error: Conversion - between 56 and 61 datatypes is not supported.r osstring: (null) Trying login Connection failed! Login failedK DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.CTLIB.UNITTESTS]T0009.C;1: t# Retrieve compute results processinge Login failed? found 100.100.107.2.NavisionTest for CCA\test in "../../../PWD"- Start- About to logon About to open "100.100.107.2"a Msg 18456, Level 14, State 1	 Server ''m! Login failed for user 'CCA\test'.eG DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20004, oserr 0, dberrstr Read from h) SQL server failed., oserrstr OpenClient):eC DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20014, oserr 0, dberrstr Login u! incorrect., oserrstr OpenClient): ? found 100.100.107.2.NavisionTest for CCA\test in "../../../PWD"i Starts About to logon
 About to openf Msg 18456, Level 14, State 1	 Server ''r! Login failed for user 'CCA\test'.fG DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20004, oserr 0, dberrstr Read from  ) SQL server failed., oserrstr OpenClient):+C DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20014, oserr 0, dberrstr Login  ! incorrect., oserrstr OpenClient):m? found 100.100.107.2.NavisionTest for CCA\test in "../../../PWD". Start  About to logon
 About to open  Msg 18456, Level 14, State 1	 Server '' ! Login failed for user 'CCA\test'.RG DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20004, oserr 0, dberrstr Read from m) SQL server failed., oserrstr OpenClient):DC DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20014, oserr 0, dberrstr Login o! incorrect., oserrstr OpenClient):e? found 100.100.107.2.NavisionTest for CCA\test in "../../../PWD"f Startc About to logon
 About to openc Msg 18456, Level 14, State 1	 Server '' ! Login failed for user 'CCA\test'. G DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20004, oserr 0, dberrstr Read from ') SQL server failed., oserrstr OpenClient):YC DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20014, oserr 0, dberrstr Login S! incorrect., oserrstr OpenClient):/? found 100.100.107.2.NavisionTest for CCA\test in "../../../PWD"  Start  About to logon
 About to openC Msg 18456, Level 14, State 1	 Server ''o! Login failed for user 'CCA\test'.oG DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20004, oserr 0, dberrstr Read from  ) SQL server failed., oserrstr OpenClient): C DB-LIBRARY error (severity 9, dberr 20014, oserr 0, dberrstr Login r! incorrect., oserrstr OpenClient):e? found 100.100.107.2.NavisionTest for CCA\test in "../../../PWD"  Startr About to logon
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 About to open  Dropping table   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:46:18 GMT0+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>t+ Subject: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIR 2 Message-ID: <BB16C669.9C60%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  B This should be a fairly simple question for someone in the know...  H When you do a $ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on a disk volume, which of the following cases is true ?3  J 1. The Volume is locked from beginning of the command to until the command terminates.   I 2. The Volume is not locked while verification is running, but it is then  locked when repairs begin.  F 3. During the course of the processing of the operation, the volume isJ locked and unlocked more than once only when the repair operation requires it.n  H Secondly, how does this compare to when an $ANAL/DISK is run without the /REPAIR option?o  L Thirdly, has the volume locking method changed through different versions of VMS?   Thanks in Advance. Jeff Cameron  I Order your own OpenVMS DCL Bumper sticker at http://www.jcameron.com/vms/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:03:03 -0400c& From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>/ Subject: Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIR 8 Message-ID: <kmq3fvkhpep11sisa9ughi7mn3b7dtqq9q@4ax.com>  N On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:46:18 GMT, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote:  C >This should be a fairly simple question for someone in the know...0 >7I >When you do a $ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on a disk volume, which of the following  >cases is true ? > K >1. The Volume is locked from beginning of the command to until the commands >terminates. >AJ >2. The Volume is not locked while verification is running, but it is then >locked when repairs begin.t >:G >3. During the course of the processing of the operation, the volume is K >locked and unlocked more than once only when the repair operation requiresi >it. > I >Secondly, how does this compare to when an $ANAL/DISK is run without the  >/REPAIR option? >oM >Thirdly, has the volume locking method changed through different versions of  >VMS?$  P Well, I'm not "in the know" but I have read the doc and have experienced some ofG the "gotchas" around this. Here is what the doc for ANALYZE /DISK says:   O "You can safely use ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE on a disk that is concurrently beingJM used for other file operations. If you specify /REPAIR, the utility locks thefI volume before performing any operations; this blocks volume modification.aL Because other users cannot create, delete, extend, or truncate files, repairG operations are unimpeded and the volume is left in a consistent state.    P If you specify /NOREPAIR, the volume is not locked; the utility does not attemptM to write to the disk. However, if users perform file operations while you run J the utility, you may receive error messages that incorrectly indicate file= damage. To avoid this problem, Compaq recommends that you runl> ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE when the disk is in a quiescent state."  O This says that without /REPAIR the disk is not locked -- this is my experience,tN too. With /REPAIR, it is locked before you start and remains locked throughoutL -- this is also my experience. Appendix D has much more detailed informationM about the "8 stages" which are used by ANALYZE /DISK. Comparing this appendixrP between V7.3-1 doc and V6.2 doc suggests that there has been little or no change9 between those versions (or the doc has not been updated). I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comBI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)-I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:06:34 -0400< From: norm.raphael@metso.com/ Subject: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)t? Message-ID: <OFC6C6B14B.447E3C11-ON85256D4A.005258D7@metso.com>   
 <peeve on>H Why did you find it necessary to repost the entire message with your (a= s it  happens, inappropriate) comment?H Note:  This is a rhetorical question and, as such, requires no response=   from anyone. <peeve off>    <editor hat on>$  : "To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address" should readm7 "To reply to me directly, remove zulu from my address."A or? To reply to me, myself, directly, remove zulu from my address."r  E The first is in this case, better, and the period at the end ends theg complete thought.b   <editor hat off>          B From:  "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> on 06/19/2003 09:53 AM  6 Please respond to "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:u   Subject:    Re: [OT]    Humour     LOL!   --   OpenVMS 7.3-1, Oracle 8.1.7.4v   SyltremrH http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en fran=E7= ais)8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  H "HARANGOZO CSABA" <spameater@spam.invalid> a =E9crit dans le message de=    F [remainder of message deleted to avoid additional wasted bandwidth and storage]     =    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:13:46 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e3 Subject: RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour).9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEAGHHAA.tom@kednos.com>a  L Maybe he needs to remind himself how to directly respond to his own self :-)J How would you syntactically characterize (the parenthetical ?) "myself" in thet second form?   >-----Original Message-----s= >From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]-& >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:07 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour) >  >y >l ><peeve on> L >Why did you find it necessary to repost the entire message with your (as it! >happens, inappropriate) comment? H >Note:  This is a rhetorical question and, as such, requires no response
 >from anyone.e ><peeve off> >i ><editor hat on> > ; >"To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address"  >should read8 >"To reply to me directly, remove zulu from my address." >or @ >To reply to me, myself, directly, remove zulu from my address." > F >The first is in this case, better, and the period at the end ends the >complete thought. >u ><editor hat off>I >s >p >u >g >iC >From:  "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> on 06/19/2003 09:53 AMp >n7 >Please respond to "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>e >e >To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >cc: >r >Subject:    Re: [OT]    Humoura >s >r >LOL!M >_ >--O >s >OpenVMS 7.3-1, Oracle 8.1.7.4 >h >SyltremJ >http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)9 >To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my addressb >tF >"HARANGOZO CSABA" <spameater@spam.invalid> a crit dans le message de > G >[remainder of message deleted to avoid additional wasted bandwidth andy	 >storage]g >y >M >I >) >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).yA >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003* >  ---y& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:56:06 -0400i From: norm.raphael@metso.com3 Subject: RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)o? Message-ID: <OF4FAF4F80.A1689152-ON85256D4A.0055BF79@metso.com>t   Hi Tom,u  5 I guess you missed the part about "no response."  :-)   3 Well, since you asked, "How would you syntacticallyE. characterize (the parenthetical ?) "myself" in" the second form?", let me respond.  - It is a reflexive pronoun added for emphasis. 3 IIRC "Caesar, himself, said...." ("Ipse dixit....")e  9 Another example would be:  "You may leave, but I, myself,o am staying."  - So it is not "parantheical ?", but reflexive.u   I hope that helped.t   Regards,   -Normf  , Confer http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary= wherein it allows about his construct:  "Critics have frowned H on these uses since about the turn of the century, probably unaware tha= t  they@ serve a definite purpose. Users themselves are as unaware as the
 critics--theyr simply follow their instincts."n  2 I, myself, of course side with the critics.  -N.R.   Main Entry: my=B7selfi1 Pronunciation: mI-'self, m&-, Southern also -'sefe Function: pronounw Date: before 12th centuryFF 1 : that identical one that is I -- used reflexively <I'm going to get myself a newH  suit>, for emphasis <I myself will go>, or in absolute constructions <=   myself a/ tourist, I nevertheless avoided other tourists>RH 2 : my normal, healthy, or sane condition <didn't feel myself yesterday= >aH usage Myself is often used where I or me might be expected: as subject = <tofB wonder what myself will say -- Emily Dickinson> <others and myself	 continueduF to press for the legislation>, after as, than, or like <an aversion to paying suchuH people as myself to tutor> <was enough to make a better man than myself=   quail>H <old-timers like myself>, and as object <now here you see myself with t= he diver>H <for my wife and myself it was a happy time>. Such uses almost always o= ccurH when the speaker or writer is referring to himself or herself as an obj= ect- of discourseH rather than as a participant in discourse. The other reflexive personal=   pronouns areH similarly but less frequently used in the same circumstances. Critics h= avef frowneduH on these uses since about the turn of the century, probably unaware tha= t,
 they serveH a definite purpose. Users themselves are as unaware as the critics--the= yL simply0 follow their instincts. These uses are standard.   andE   Main Entry: ip=B7se dix=B7it Pronunciation: 'ip-sE-'dik-s&t Function: noun$ Etymology: Latin, he himself said it Date: 15th century" : an assertion made but not provedH                                                                        =                         =20 H                                                                        =                         =20oH                                                                        =                         =20,H                                                                        =                         =20&    : From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> on 06/19/2003 11:13 AM  / Please respond to "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>E   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:R  6 Subject:    RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)    H Maybe he needs to remind himself how to directly respond to his own sel= f :  -)H How would you syntactically characterize (the parenthetical ?) "myself"=  in& the, second form?   >-----Original Message-----}= >From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]i& >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:07 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour) >$ >_ >& ><peeve on> H >Why did you find it necessary to repost the entire message with your (= as it! >happens, inappropriate) comment?mH >Note:  This is a rhetorical question and, as such, requires no respons= et
 >from anyone.e ><peeve off> >  ><editor hat on> >b; >"To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address"m >should read8 >"To reply to me directly, remove zulu from my address." >or&@ >To reply to me, myself, directly, remove zulu from my address." >tF >The first is in this case, better, and the period at the end ends the >complete thought. >  ><editor hat off>  >  >e >  >  > C >From:  "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> on 06/19/2003 09:53 AMN >A7 >Please respond to "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>k >  >To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma >cc: >s >Subject:    Re: [OT]    Humour  >  >  >LOL!" >  >--) >  >OpenVMS 7.3-1, Oracle 8.1.7.4 >w >SyltremI >http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en fran=E7=o ais)9 >To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my addressm >)H >"HARANGOZO CSABA" <spameater@spam.invalid> a =E9crit dans le message d= e3 >:H >[remainder of message deleted to avoid additional wasted bandwidth and=  	 >storage]i >- >  >s >r >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.c; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).tA >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003  >s --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003           =l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:12:50 -0700b# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>o3 Subject: RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)a9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEAIHHAA.tom@kednos.com>   C Yes, I understand that it is a reflexive pronoun, but it appears to E me to be used as a parenthetical, and therefore as a synonym for "me"-# How would you diagram the sentence?      >-----Original Message-----o= >From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]h& >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:56 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 >Subject: RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour) >a >i >t >Hi Tom, >36 >I guess you missed the part about "no response."  :-) > 4 >Well, since you asked, "How would you syntactically/ >characterize (the parenthetical ?) "myself" inh# >the second form?", let me respond.g >n. >It is a reflexive pronoun added for emphasis.4 >IIRC "Caesar, himself, said...." ("Ipse dixit....") > : >Another example would be:  "You may leave, but I, myself,
 >am staying."t >t. >So it is not "parantheical ?", but reflexive. >v >I hope that helped. >g	 >Regards,  >  >-Norm >a- >Confer http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionaryl> >wherein it allows about his construct:  "Critics have frownedI >on these uses since about the turn of the century, probably unaware that  >theyiA >serve a definite purpose. Users themselves are as unaware as the  >critics--they  >simply follow their instincts." >b3 >I, myself, of course side with the critics.  -N.R.. >n >Main Entry: myself2 >Pronunciation: mI-'self, m&-, Southern also -'sef >Function: pronoun >Date: before 12th centuryG >1 : that identical one that is I -- used reflexively <I'm going to geto
 >myself a newsH > suit>, for emphasis <I myself will go>, or in absolute constructions <	 >myself a00 >tourist, I nevertheless avoided other tourists>I >2 : my normal, healthy, or sane condition <didn't feel myself yesterday>3K >usage Myself is often used where I or me might be expected: as subject <to>C >wonder what myself will say -- Emily Dickinson> <others and myselfF
 >continuedG >to press for the legislation>, after as, than, or like <an aversion toL >paying suchH >people as myself to tutor> <was enough to make a better man than myself >quail>BJ ><old-timers like myself>, and as object <now here you see myself with the >diver>oL ><for my wife and myself it was a happy time>. Such uses almost always occurK >when the speaker or writer is referring to himself or herself as an objecte
 >of discourseiH >rather than as a participant in discourse. The other reflexive personal
 >pronouns areMK >similarly but less frequently used in the same circumstances. Critics have  >frownedI >on these uses since about the turn of the century, probably unaware that  >they serve-I >a definite purpose. Users themselves are as unaware as the critics--theye >simplye1 >follow their instincts. These uses are standard.u >g >and >- >Main Entry: ipse dixitA >Pronunciation: 'ip-sE-'dik-s&tA >Function: nounh% >Etymology: Latin, he himself said itt >Date: 15th centuryd# >: an assertion made but not proved? >  >L >J >l >e >e >i >c >i > ; >From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> on 06/19/2003 11:13 AMd > 0 >Please respond to "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> >i >To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >cc: >o7 >Subject:    RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)c >  >AK >Maybe he needs to remind himself how to directly respond to his own self :b >-)2K >How would you syntactically characterize (the parenthetical ?) "myself" inn >the
 >second form?  >m >>-----Original Message-----> >>From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]' >>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:07 AM1 >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come1 >>Subject: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)  >> >> >> >><peeve on>J >>Why did you find it necessary to repost the entire message with your (as >it " >>happens, inappropriate) comment?I >>Note:  This is a rhetorical question and, as such, requires no response- >>from anyone.
 >><peeve off>  >> >><editor hat on>1 >>< >>"To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address"
 >>should readd9 >>"To reply to me directly, remove zulu from my address."2 >>orA >>To reply to me, myself, directly, remove zulu from my address."e >>G >>The first is in this case, better, and the period at the end ends thea >>complete thought.  >> >><editor hat off> >> >> >> >> >>D >>From:  "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> on 06/19/2003 09:53 AM >>8 >>Please respond to "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> >> >>To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>cc:R >>  >>Subject:    Re: [OT]    Humour >> >> >>LOL! >> >>-- >> >>OpenVMS 7.3-1, Oracle 8.1.7.4  >>	 >>Syltrem'K >>http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)e: >>To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >>G >>"HARANGOZO CSABA" <spameater@spam.invalid> a crit dans le message deb >>H >>[remainder of message deleted to avoid additional wasted bandwidth and
 >>storage] >> >> >> >> >>---b( >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003 >> >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).nA >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003v >  >  >l >  >e >  >o >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.l; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003  >e --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:12:12 -0400l* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>< Subject: Re: You say you want apps for VMS?  Here they come!) Message-ID: <3EF15431.2B179968@istop.com>>   mist dragon wrote:D > So yes, it will port all it has and is not EOL that is in fact its
 > database :)i  N So in terms of Oracle, less Oracle software will be available on VMS-IA64 thanN is still available on Alpha-VMS. How many other companies in that announcementN are in the same boat ? In the end, it means a shrink in software availability.  L On the other hand, such announcements that spin this degradation in softwareL availability into isome increased availability are good to help foster VMS' N fortunes. Telling the truth would simply confirm the continued downfal of VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:29:09 -0400r5 From: "Zeni Schleter" <SchleterZb@y12notreal.doe.gov>cI Subject: Re: [ENABLE AUTOSTART] How to determine the state of AUTOSTART ?e, Message-ID: <bcskr7$3oo$1@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagea- news:BI6Ia.10407$RM6.134907@news.chello.at...oK > In article <d1111de.0306180036.4da3d129@posting.google.com>, sam@ratex.dkd
 (Sam) writes:  > >Try the following:  > >r" > >$ help lexical f$getqui example > >(  > >and look at example number 4. > >maybe it is what you need.  >'I > No. I need a SHOW QUEUE/MANAGER/FULL which shows the state of AUTOSTARTtG > for every queue manager and every node in the cluster. And I need thenL > corresponding item code for F$GETQUI ("DISPLAY_MANAGER", ...) as expected.1 > If it is in memory, it should be displayable...r >nC > I try to reproduce a symptom I saw recently where a newly created H > /AUTOSTART_ON=(node1::mumble,node2::mumble,node3::mumble) queue (whichE > also was /STARTed) didn't autostart until I did a ENABLE AUTOSTART. F > Strange thing was, AUTOSTART was already enabled on all nodes in the cluster.F > At least the other umpteenhundred autostart queues believed this ;-) >o > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERE' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist6 > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist    L   I may be way off base since I missed the first part of this discussion butI   I just tried INIT/QUEU/BATCH test_queue/Autostart=node:: /Start and they- queue was created and had a state of  "idle".f  I  When I create queues manually I usually forget the /START switch and thesK created queue has a state of "autostart inactive".  Issuing the START/QUEUE- afterwards , starts the queue.    I am tested on VMS 7.2-2, Alpha.     --- Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:16:40 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>I Subject: Re: [ENABLE AUTOSTART] How to determine the state of AUTOSTART ?o8 Message-ID: <7pr3fvgr6s6stbas03b61ffh7hhk4f86fs@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:37:05 GMT, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN'p LANGSTOEGER) wrote:v   	...H >No. I need a SHOW QUEUE/MANAGER/FULL which shows the state of AUTOSTARTF >for every queue manager and every node in the cluster. And I need theK >corresponding item code for F$GETQUI ("DISPLAY_MANAGER", ...) as expected.-0 >If it is in memory, it should be displayable...  G I, too, have wondered how to do this but have not seen a way. I've justdH (re)skimmed the description of $GETQUI based on your post, and don't see anything which might tell.  B >I try to reproduce a symptom I saw recently where a newly createdG >/AUTOSTART_ON=(node1::mumble,node2::mumble,node3::mumble) queue (whichsD >also was /STARTed) didn't autostart until I did a ENABLE AUTOSTART.N >Strange thing was, AUTOSTART was already enabled on all nodes in the cluster.E >At least the other umpteenhundred autostart queues believed this ;-)-  K I have fooled myself more than once in the case of an autostart queue which N refers to multiple node/devices as your post indicates. The Queue Manager willN always attempt to start the queue on the first node in the list which is "up",M node1:: in the case you cite. If you have not done ENABLE AUTOSTART /QUEUE onnN that node, then the queue won't start -- even if you have done it on node2 andN node3. Is that possible? Are you certain there were existing, active autostart queues running on node1?I -------------------------------------------------------------------------oI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comuI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only)uI -------------------------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:53:15 -0400i* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: [OT]    Humour00 Message-ID: <GijIa.53$Gf3.350@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   LOL!   -- 3   OpenVMS 7.3-1, Oracle 8.1.7.4S   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)b8 To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  E "HARANGOZO CSABA" <spameater@spam.invalid> a crit dans le message dew0 news:xtWHa.6640$eE.57480@nasal.pacific.net.au..., > Source: http://www.msa.ualberta.ca/med2006 >  >  Actual Medical Chart Notes :N >rF >     1. Patient has two teenage children, but no other abnormalities. > G >     2. Patient has chest pain if she lies on her left side for over al >        year. >rJ >     3. On the second day, the knee was better, and then on the third day >        it disappeared. >pJ >     4. The patient is tearful and crying constantly. She also appears to >        be depressed. >OJ >     5. The patient has been depressed since she began seeing me in 1993. >W< >     6. Discharge status: Alive, but without my permission. > H >     7. Healthy-appearing decrepit 69-year old male, mentally alert but >        forgetful.  > % >     8. The patient refused autopsy.  >t9 >     9. The patient has no previous history of suicides.U >,@ >    10. Patient has left white blood cells at another hospital. > I >    11. Patient's medical history has been remarkably insignificant withr< >        only a 40-pound weight gain in the last three days. >nB >    12. Patient had waffles for breakfast and anorexia for lunch. >RK >    13. Between you and me, we ought to be able to get this lady pregnant.q >i( >    14. She is numb from her toes down. >l> >    15. While in ER, she was examined, x-rated and sent home. >0$ >    16. The skin was moist and dry. >o4 >    17. Occasional, constant, infrequent headaches. >A, >    18. Patient was alert and unresponsive. >.F >    19. She stated that she had been constipated for most of her life! >        until she got a divorce.O >F; >    20. Rectal examination revealed a normal-size thyroid.B >aJ >    21. I saw your patient today, who is still under our car for physical >        therapy.T >FH >    22. Both breasts are equal and reactive to light and accommodation. > B >    23. Examination of genitalia reveals that he is circus-sized. >E8 >    24. The lab test indicated abnormal lover function. >(J >    25. The patient was to have a bowel resection. However, he took a job" >        as a stockbroker instead. >.) >    26. Skin: somewhat pale but present.Y >T9 >    27. The pelvic exam will be done later on the floor.e >eI >    28. Patient was seen in consultation by Dr. ____, who felt we should ( >        sit on the abdomen and I agree. > 2 >    29. Large brown stool ambulating in the hall. >rH >    30. She has no rigors or shaking chills, but her husband states she# >        was hot in bed last night.1 >-7 >    31. Patient was found in bed with her power mower.1 >- > :-) Cheers,  Csaba >rL >  -------------------------------------------------------------------------J >   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auL >  -------------------------------------------------------------------------= >    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:0 > 3 >  Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.338 ************************