1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 20 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 339       Contents:% Re: Backup Software for VMS and Linux % Re: Backup Software for VMS and Linux C Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June  Digital Stuff For Sale/ Re: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350 # Re: EVA-5000 performance monitoring  Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE- Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?  HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux?  Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?  Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?/ Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! " Re: lib$spawn and persona services" Re: lib$spawn and persona services Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware . OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in July2 Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in July2 Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in July2 Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in July# Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol  Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMI Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMI Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMI9 Re: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour? 9 Re: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour? @ Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long)@ Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long)& Re: Tracing  EXE -> OBJ -> SRC modules& Re: Tracing  EXE -> OBJ -> SRC modules& RE: Tracing  EXE -> OBJ -> SRC modules+ Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days  Re: VMS Freeware CDs Re: VMS SQL client2 VMS73_SYS-V0600 released, fixes SMTP hang problems& Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIR& Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIR: Re: [OT] SCO tells IBM no more AIX ... IBM better buy VMS!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:21:18 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> . Subject: Re: Backup Software for VMS and Linux' Message-ID: <3EF26F9E.1DF9BD43@fsi.net>    Rob Young wrote: > ] > In article <3EF10C38.1DDB8160@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: $ > > CHANGE username to westes wrote: > >>Q > >> I was told that there is a VMS application that interfaces to Tivoli Storage P > >> Manager named ABC (http://www.storserver.com) that integrates with VMS veryM > >> well and would allow you to run the LTO-1 tape drives on the TSM storage 
 > >> host. > > D > > Good luck trying to restore it on OpenVMS using only VMS BACKUP! > >  > 8 >         It doesn't use backup, so that isn't an issue.  D Exactly my point. How can you do a "bare metal" restore if the tapes aren't in VMS-BACKUP format?  K > > See, the problem is that most of these soultions do not (fully) support H > > /IMAGE backups; therefore, it is impossible to restore a system diskK > > backup. Instead you must rebuild the VMS system disk from scratch, just I > > as when restoring the backup server so you can restore the VMS system 2 > > from the department of redundancy department). > D >         Most of us at a minimum have our system disks mirrored.  IP >         haven't lost or restored a system disk in 17 years, came close back in9 >         the day when the system disk was a single disk.  > G >         If that concerned, disks are cheap.  Perform a nightly backup N >         of the system disk to another disk online at another site, whatever.  G Must be nice to have unlimited budgets and other resources. Out here in F the real world, however, prospects are considerably dimmer. We have to= live with what we have (or what is thrust upon us by clueless  management).   > > J > > You're just making an already difficult task border on the impossible. > >  > B >         No.  The product works and works well.  Additionally, itI >         is a very good way to slam a very fast backup out.  Faster than N >         going to an LTO drive.  For the high-end you would create a DiskPoolM >         , backup to that.  In turn the DiskPool is migrated to tape for DR. C >         Multiple backups can be written to the disk pool at once.    Again, must be nice...  C Where do you work? I'm really tired of layoffs. Your employer seems ? almost artificially cash-rich, but oif they can afford what you > described, they can afford to not layoff when times get tight.   Count me in... Where do I sign?   L > > ...not to mention the challenges associated with trying back up multipleH > > terabytes of OpenVMS storage over a gig-E network inside of a decent > > backup window. > H >         Most modern networks today are switched end-to-end, backing up- >         over GigE can be very advantageous.   D Operative keyword: "modern". I was recently regaled with a tale of aA brand, spanking new corporate installation in a state-of-the-art, B sparkling new building. *ALL* of the network gear is token ring...E (Apparently, someone of influence got enamoured with it, just like us  with our VMS.)   > [snip]> >         Now I could no doubt trot out dozens of examples butI >         it wouldn't be good enough.  But there are folks that are using I >         it in very large situations.  But of course I am sure there are G >         also folks that insist on doing weekly standalone system disk + >         backups to their TK70 drives too.   & Probably corporate policy - no choice.   > >  > > What's the point?  > >  > K >         Enterprise Backup (all the hundreds of servers in your Enterprise K >         being backed up by a single vendor solution - totally integrated, 7 >         daily DR export, daily reporting, etc. etc.).   F That's what I'm banging my head against now: multiple megabux worth of/ gear, none of it VMS-qualified. T'aint wuth-it.   < >         Speaking of difficult, how does that DR drill workM >         when instead of TSM (or equivalent Enterprise Backup solution), you L >         have to have multiple different backup solutions at SunGuard to do >         the DR drill?    Depends on your contract.   G In my experience, I can restore my system, start it up, run validation, H tear it down and wipe the disks - all before the UN*X-ers even get their? restore server started so they can attempt their test/recovery.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 22:52:33 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) . Subject: Re: Backup Software for VMS and Linux3 Message-ID: <Ev97vOpfs7BK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3EF26F9E.1DF9BD43@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Rob Young wrote: >>  ^ >> In article <3EF10C38.1DDB8160@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:% >> > CHANGE username to westes wrote:  >> >> R >> >> I was told that there is a VMS application that interfaces to Tivoli StorageQ >> >> Manager named ABC (http://www.storserver.com) that integrates with VMS very N >> >> well and would allow you to run the LTO-1 tape drives on the TSM storage >> >> host.  >> >E >> > Good luck trying to restore it on OpenVMS using only VMS BACKUP!  >> > >>  9 >>         It doesn't use backup, so that isn't an issue.  > F > Exactly my point. How can you do a "bare metal" restore if the tapes > aren't in VMS-BACKUP format? >    	That part is below.  L >> > See, the problem is that most of these soultions do not (fully) supportI >> > /IMAGE backups; therefore, it is impossible to restore a system disk L >> > backup. Instead you must rebuild the VMS system disk from scratch, justJ >> > as when restoring the backup server so you can restore the VMS system3 >> > from the department of redundancy department).  >>  E >>         Most of us at a minimum have our system disks mirrored.  I Q >>         haven't lost or restored a system disk in 17 years, came close back in : >>         the day when the system disk was a single disk. >>  H >>         If that concerned, disks are cheap.  Perform a nightly backupO >>         of the system disk to another disk online at another site, whatever.  > I > Must be nice to have unlimited budgets and other resources. Out here in H > the real world, however, prospects are considerably dimmer. We have to? > live with what we have (or what is thrust upon us by clueless  > management). >   ; 	Of the multiple Terabytes you keep trotting out, you can't C 	get 9 more gigs for a backup of a system disk?  Or multiple system 	 	disks?      >> >K >> > You're just making an already difficult task border on the impossible.  >> > >>  C >>         No.  The product works and works well.  Additionally, it J >>         is a very good way to slam a very fast backup out.  Faster thanO >>         going to an LTO drive.  For the high-end you would create a DiskPool N >>         , backup to that.  In turn the DiskPool is migrated to tape for DR.D >>         Multiple backups can be written to the disk pool at once. >  > Again, must be nice... > E > Where do you work? I'm really tired of layoffs. Your employer seems A > almost artificially cash-rich, but oif they can afford what you @ > described, they can afford to not layoff when times get tight. >   ? 	Same industry.  But we aren't the only ones with TSM.  Friends A 	travel the country doing TSM installs (mostly East Coast).  What @ 	is and has happened in the last few years as we know is storage< 	moving more to the SAN.  Once "out there", the paradigm of < 	multiple local tape drives is fast disappearing and backups> 	are becoming centralized.  That centralized Enterprise backupA 	solution is backing up everyone (or you become a pariah).  When	 C 	the server count gets into the hundreds, you have to do something.   ! > Count me in... Where do I sign?    > M >> > ...not to mention the challenges associated with trying back up multiple I >> > terabytes of OpenVMS storage over a gig-E network inside of a decent  >> > backup window.  >>  I >>         Most modern networks today are switched end-to-end, backing up . >>         over GigE can be very advantageous. > F > Operative keyword: "modern". I was recently regaled with a tale of aC > brand, spanking new corporate installation in a state-of-the-art, D > sparkling new building. *ALL* of the network gear is token ring...G > (Apparently, someone of influence got enamoured with it, just like us  > with our VMS.) >   > 	That is strange and rare.  Maybe someone in the know wouldn't; 	or didn't know about tcp/ip and shown that most folks have  	gone in that direction.    	 >> [snip] ? >>         Now I could no doubt trot out dozens of examples but J >>         it wouldn't be good enough.  But there are folks that are usingJ >>         it in very large situations.  But of course I am sure there areH >>         also folks that insist on doing weekly standalone system disk, >>         backups to their TK70 drives too. > ( > Probably corporate policy - no choice. >  >> > >> > What's the point? >> > >>  L >>         Enterprise Backup (all the hundreds of servers in your EnterpriseL >>         being backed up by a single vendor solution - totally integrated,8 >>         daily DR export, daily reporting, etc. etc.). > H > That's what I'm banging my head against now: multiple megabux worth of1 > gear, none of it VMS-qualified. T'aint wuth-it.  >   9 	There is something inconsistent here.  Sounds to me like = 	you have very expensive backup hardware and yet not a backup  	solution for everyone.   : 	Do you actually have to get it to work with no additional9 	resources allocated?  If so, why or how did that happen?     = >>         Speaking of difficult, how does that DR drill work N >>         when instead of TSM (or equivalent Enterprise Backup solution), youM >>         have to have multiple different backup solutions at SunGuard to do  >>         the DR drill? >  > Depends on your contract.  > I > In my experience, I can restore my system, start it up, run validation, J > tear it down and wipe the disks - all before the UN*X-ers even get theirA > restore server started so they can attempt their test/recovery.  >   B 	Yes, others have mentioned that and I believe it.  But what I wasA 	getting at, short of an integrated single vendor solution, it is A 	very difficult to coordinate multiple groups restoring disparate > 	servers with a number of differing backup products/solutions.   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 18:33:56 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) L Subject: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306191733.6e0bc58b@posting.google.com>   K From http://www.hp-interex.org/site/cms/contentviewarticle.asp?article=1724           HP-CUO  in partnership with  Itheon & Hewlett-Packard
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    EC2V 7QT      Time:  09:30  Registration      09:55  Seminar starts      16:15  Seminar ends    ' ---------------------------------------    Seminar Description   E Would you like to be able to guarantee high availability of both your 0 internal systems and your external applications?   D Would you like to enhance the performance and the cost efficiency of your IT infrastructure?    D Do you need a strategy for ensuring Business Continuity even after a	 DISASTER?    E If you answer "YES" to any of these questions then you need to attend ? this one-day seminar sponsored by Itheon and Hewlett-Packard in  conjunction with HP-CUO.  @ There is a Business Continuity Solution that fits your budgetaryF constraints and this seminar will show you the advances in technology,D and the products, that can help you achieve the appropriate level of" Business Continuity that you need.  ? Through technical presentations Itheon and Hewlett-Packard will > develop a roadmap for Business Continuity, starting from Basic? Monitoring Solutions through to full Disaster Tolerance, with a C guarantee of providing 100% continuous computing. Attendees will be > able to see the different offerings and ways of running a high@ availability environment together with the different options forF having a Business Continuity programme and how you can have a Disaster Tolerant site.   Target Audience:    $ IT Directors and Technical Managers   
 Speakers:   E Frank Puranik: Frank is the Technical Director at Itheon and has been F working within the systems management area for more than twenty years.  @ Paul Dolan: Paul is the World-wide Manager of Disaster ToleranceE Services for Hewlett-Packard. He has worked within HP/Compaq for many $ years and is an expert in his field.  @ Chris Loane: Chris is a Senior Consultant with Hewlett-Packard'sF Business Critical Services Group. Since 1997 Chris has been delivering9 availability consultancy to major European organisations.    Agenda:    09:30  Registration    09:55  Introduction   ' 10:00  Setting the Scene - Paul Dolan    11:15  Refreshment Break  6 11:30  Basic Monitoring & Automation - Frank Puranik   12:45  Lunch  : 13:30  Other Business Continuity Solutions - Chris Loane   14:45  Refreshment Break  ( 15:00  Disaster Tolerance - Paul Dolan   16:15  Seminar Ends     / -----------------------------------------------  Registration Fees:  * Corporate and Events Members:  30 + VAT   HP/Works Members:  30 + VAT   Personal Members:  135 + VAT    Non-Members:  200 + VAT   HP Employees and Contractors:     FREE       Register by:   Post:     HP-CUO,  
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 2737468870   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:12:44 -0400 , From: "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com>8 Subject: Re: Digital Terminal Servers 8 Port only USD350/ Message-ID: <vf42u74i8cqi07@news.supernews.com>    Hank  1 If you have a load in decent shape we'll buy them L But of course we sell them for 350 w/ 12 months warranty so we would need to land them here for about $250    DT   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:07:38 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>, Subject: Re: EVA-5000 performance monitoring8 Message-ID: <udc4fv8eefug68lqaauk2au80msupa67kr@4ax.com>  G On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:31:49 -0400, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> wrote:   G >    We'll look into that.... I think it does not show I./O at the unit L >level... ie.e $1$Dga2130: .... I'm told that EMC has something that can get= >stats from an HP SAN, but HP does not.... how could that be?  >   H Wait a sec.... $1$DGA2130 is a host-level device unit.  If in a cluster,D you could use a cluster-wide data collection tool that combines eachG system's stats into a complete picture.  If not a cluster, then monitor 8 disk/item=all would give you the I/O stats to that disk.  E I often wonder what people really need to see on the I/O stats at the J controller level.  Nobody ever asked for it for disks on DSSI controllers, or SCSI controllers.  J Instead, we managed performance by watching I/O queues on the devices and,H when they were starting to grow on a consistent basis, then we'd addressK the issue (actually, prior to that we'd be doing capacity planning).  Sure, E I've run VDTPY on occasion on the HSC/Z/G, but it's never been a real J integral part of my performance management and capacity planning (and I'veJ done a LOT of that over the years).  With these HS controllers, using SCSIK technology, there is a relatively small number of spindles involved in each J LUN, and performance can degrade very quickly - often exponentially - with
 the workload.   J With EVA, performance will degrade for pretty much every system who's LUNsI came from the same storage group.  But the upside is that the performance K degrades much more gradually, and much more linearly with the workload (due = to the statistics involved in the larger number of spindles).   I If performance begins getting bad, adding 10 (or more) disks to the group J is fairly simple, and soon you've alleviated all the I/O bottlenecks.  AndJ it's all transparent (operationally speaking) to the host servers that are. using the LUNs.  Performance just gets better.  A That beats the hell out of manually moving files, or partitioning B databases/tablespaces among lots of different LUNs to balance I/O.  G I guess if I understood why someone felt the really needed a VTDPY-like H tool (i.e., what problems do they need to solve with it), it might help.F But to manage performance I've almost never actually needed that tool.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:33:00 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE & Message-ID: <3EF2725C.6B74753@fsi.net>   David M Smith wrote: > R > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:39:59 +0100, Rok Vidmar <Rok.Vidmar@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> wrote: > B > >write sys$output f$getqui("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NODE","*") >  > Try this sequence: > 0 > $ CLEAR_CONTEXT = F$GETQUI("CANCEL_OPERATION")9 > $ QMGR = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NAME","*") G > $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NODES",QMGR, -  >         "FREEZE_CONTEXT")  > CDSVRA,CDSVRB   < It's amazing how many interpretations of this have come out.  D The OP is asking for the equivalent of SHOW AUTOSTART (should return- "Enabled" or "Not Enabled", in some variant).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 17:55:09 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) 6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0306191655.5b0eb9bb@posting.google.com>   c Trygve Aspenes <talong@nospamonline.no> wrote in message news:<3EF14A4A.5080103@nospamonline.no>...  > Hello vms community  > { > I am writing some small prorgrams produsing som files. But the program fails before completing. When I try to delete the  ? >    files from this program I get the following error message:  > : > %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting <file this and that>3 > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user  > Y > I guess that since my program failed, the file was not closed before the program ended.  > * > Someone who got an idea how to fix this? > 	 > Regards  >  > Trygve Aspenes( This can happen if you open files in DCLD when a file is open it has a "supervisor mode confined logical name"6 $show log /full <logical name that you opened it with> and then close them   : If your program was compiled (ie. you are running an .exe)7 then all files get closed when your program image exits A Are you sure the file is not locked by another user (or process)? , $show /dev /files <device where the file is>: you may need some privilege to show files opened by others' and if you have that privilege a simple # $stop /id=<other users process id>   will fix the problem Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 16:12:15 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: HP to drop hpux? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0306191512.61365658@posting.google.com>   = it says here that its a rumor ... maybe Carly is smarter than  we think! :)  = http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/18/HNsapfiorina_1.html    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:31:05 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? @ Message-ID: <20030619233105.77662.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>   Well  1 HP may discontinue HP-UX, OVMS, etc... and return 1 to be a printer business/services-only company !  8 May be for HP, operating systems are not important... if+ they can have Linux for free for example !     Regards    FC    - --- Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote: ? > it says here that its a rumor ... maybe Carly is smarter than  > we think! :) > ? > http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/18/HNsapfiorina_1.html      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?+ SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!  http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:10:36 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? ) Message-ID: <3EF25EEA.516EF405@istop.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote: ? > http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/18/HNsapfiorina_1.html   J "I'm not about to comment on this. All I will say here is that HP is a big customer of SAP    and of PeopleSoft."   H Interesting that Carly didn't mention Oracle. (this was at a SAP event).  K "Responding to rumors that HP may drop support for its Unix-based operating  system, HP-UX , Fiorina G   said the company had no plans to discontinue support of the system. "     E It would be interesting to see the exact wording from carly. If I was N president and some rumour about a strategic product being discontinued were toN surface, my response woudn't be "we have no plans to discontinue the product",K but rather "this product is strategic to us and we have every intentions to ! continue to develop and grow it".   = Does anyone know where/why/how that rumour would have begun ?    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jun 2003 02:17:32 GMT2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? , Message-ID: <bctqrs0306q@enews2.newsguy.com>  ) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote: ? > it says here that its a rumor ... maybe Carly is smarter than  > we think! :)  ? > http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/18/HNsapfiorina_1.html   L What is it with you and misleading posts?  All the article says with regardsE to HP-UX is that they are *NOT* planning on dropping HP-UX.  Go troll  somewhere else.    		Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:48:38 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? J Message-ID: <aCuIa.146927$3Sm.135107@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EF25EEA.516EF405@istop.com...  > Bob Ceculski wrote: A > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/18/HNsapfiorina_1.html  > F > "I'm not about to comment on this. All I will say here is that HP is a big  > customer of SAP  >   and of PeopleSoft."  > B > Interesting that Carly didn't mention Oracle. (this was at a SAP event).  > C > "Responding to rumors that HP may drop support for its Unix-based 	 operating  > system, HP-UX , Fiorina ? >   said the company had no plans to discontinue support of the 	 system. "  >  > C > It would be interesting to see the exact wording from carly. If I  was ; > president and some rumour about a strategic product being  discontinued were toF > surface, my response woudn't be "we have no plans to discontinue the	 product", ? > but rather "this product is strategic to us and we have every 
 intentions to # > continue to develop and grow it".  > ? > Does anyone know where/why/how that rumour would have begun ?     : http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/17/HNhplinux_1.html  D This *may* have been the source, followed by an interpretation of it3 as a rumor that PH-Ux would be dropped as a result.     $ HP forms new Linux business division= Goal is to promote alignment, collaboration and communication   4 By Juan Carlos Perez, IDG News Service June 17, 2003    D    MIAMI - Hewlett-Packard has created a product division devoted toA Linux as the company ups its commitment to products based on this  open-source operating system.   : The new division will promote alignment, collaboration andA communication for Linux efforts among HP's services, software and C hardware organizations, said Elizabeth Phillips, an HP spokeswoman. E HP's Linux-based products include servers, storage, PCs, printers and  software, she said.  .......    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 18:26:19 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) ) Subject: Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron? < Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0306191726.180e7ac@posting.google.com>  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3EF1100D.15E372DD@fsi.net>... > rob kas wrote: > > 9 > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message ; > > news:d7791aa1.0306180510.1a0c2e80@posting.google.com... 4 > > > that's what the inquirer says might happen ... > > > / > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10056  > > ( > >    Did you read the AMDZone Article? > > M > >    There is presently a belief that there would be insufficient market to K > > justify the cost involved in porting OpenVMS to systems using the Intel  > > IA-32 architecture.  > F > ...which, of course, make no sense (never has, never will) since the? > vast majority of server systems in the world today are IA32.   > 9 > > In addition to the direct costs involved in any port, L > > each maintainer of a product or a package for OpenVMS has to justify theI > > port to "OpenVMS Pentium" or to OpenVMS Itanium, akin to the required H > > justifications for a product port from OpenVMS VAX to OpenVMS Alpha. >  > See the above. > & > > But yes, it would be nice to have. > C > Profits "would be nice to have, also". HP's silence onthe OPenVMS J > advertising issue speaks volumes more than one can say in a Usenet post. > J > > And yes, OpenVMS Engineering is well aware of AMD Opteron/Hammer, too. > E > ...and soon may be told to port to it, since Itanic flounders on... E vms engineering could probably do it fairly quickly[1] for "core vms" G however this is only a small percentage of the work involved to deliver  working systems to end users. F Unfortunately all the people who developed the compilers for vms/alpha now work for intel Phil6 [1] quickly in software development is a relative term   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:41:50 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ) Subject: Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron? I Message-ID: <OvuIa.146908$3Sm.39229@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   0 "dooley" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> wrote in message6 news:1ca82fc6.0306191726.180e7ac@posting.google.com...> > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# news:<3EF1100D.15E372DD@fsi.net>...  > > rob kas wrote: > > > ; > > > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message = > > > news:d7791aa1.0306180510.1a0c2e80@posting.google.com... 6 > > > > that's what the inquirer says might happen ... > > > > 1 > > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10056  > > > * > > >    Did you read the AMDZone Article? > > > E > > >    There is presently a belief that there would be insufficient 	 market to C > > > justify the cost involved in porting OpenVMS to systems using 	 the Intel  > > > IA-32 architecture.  > > D > > ...which, of course, make no sense (never has, never will) since the @ > > vast majority of server systems in the world today are IA32. > > ; > > > In addition to the direct costs involved in any port, B > > > each maintainer of a product or a package for OpenVMS has to justify the B > > > port to "OpenVMS Pentium" or to OpenVMS Itanium, akin to the requiredC > > > justifications for a product port from OpenVMS VAX to OpenVMS  Alpha. > >  > > See the above. > > ( > > > But yes, it would be nice to have. > > E > > Profits "would be nice to have, also". HP's silence onthe OPenVMS F > > advertising issue speaks volumes more than one can say in a Usenet post.  > > 7 > > > And yes, OpenVMS Engineering is well aware of AMD  Opteron/Hammer, too. > > A > > ...and soon may be told to port to it, since Itanic flounders  on... B > vms engineering could probably do it fairly quickly[1] for "core vms"A > however this is only a small percentage of the work involved to  deliver  > working systems to end users. > > Unfortunately all the people who developed the compilers for	 vms/alpha  > now work for intel    ! It's called "burning your boats".    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:22:51 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!8 Message-ID: <j564fvk3ba3ru84mubefs80m739jho4bde@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:40:58 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  N >> > Hey, don't forget storage.  Dec/Cpq had great storage, which HP inherited
 >> > as well.  > L >Would storage be considered a hardware or software solution if it had to be, >classified as either software or hardware ?  E A little of both.  The storage with associated firmware can, arguably I maybe, be considered hardware.  EVM/Business Copy EVA, and DRM/Continuous K Access EVA would more likely be considered software... though that also may 
 be debatable.   @ I would probably classify most of the storage stuff as hardware.   > > >VMS is definitely hardware, especially now that Alpha's dead.  I I'm not sure why you're asking about hardware vs software.... but I don't K understand this statement at all.  It would seem that without Alpha, VMS is J more software-oriented (since it'll be tied to specific hardware much more
 loosely now).t   >eK >Do storage arrays use a Digital develop OS as controller ? Has HP kept the N >original Digital software, or are its new products all derived from HP-legacy >storage components ?a  H Well, the XP storage (from HP) are actually from Hitachi.  The VA arraysH I'm not so sure about, and I'm not so sure how long they'll be marketed.  G The NAS, MSA, HSG/MA/EMA, and EVA are all from Compaq/Digital heritage.PJ They are all (or almost all) using the "OS" that was developed by DEC/CPQ.J The MSA is actually using Compaq SmartArray SCSI controllers.  And the NASI is really a specialized appliance for file services, running an optimizedsH Windows OS.  But the HSG-based and HSV-based arrays are all as they wereK originally (though we are updating them, of course).  I also don't know how 8 much longer the HSG-based product line will be marketed.  G Now, the StorageWorks Management Appliance is going to be changing overiI time, I predict.  It's now under OpenView (i.e., the name is now OpenViewME Storage Management Appliance).  And I suspect that some marriage withs4 OpenView Storage Area Manager will be in the future.  G At HP, there is a serious amount of dedication to IT Service Management J (ITSM) based on the UK's IT Information Library (ITIL).  And IT EnterpriseC Management products like the OpenView suite are designed with these J disciplines in mind.  What's going to happen, exactly, I have no idea; butE I do expect some fully-merged products to come out that integrate anyd@ heritage DEC/CPQ management products into this overall strategy. And this is a good thing, imho.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:43:59 -0400e* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!) Message-ID: <3EF22E8C.53469B6D@istop.com>    jlsue wrote:@ > I'm not sure why you're asking about hardware vs software....   N If a company considers storage to be "software" and a company has decided thatI its future lies with commodity hardware, then storage arrays would not beI% "strategic". I asked in that context.   N It would seem to me that HP is not very interested in software, except perhaps! in hardware management software. r  H In the wintel world, in which HP belongs, companies strive to remove any> competitive advantage to build the lowest priced commodity and7 undifferentiated hardware that runs commodity software.s  H In the case of storage arrays, would HP want to just assemble stuff fromJ commodity hardware and software, or would it see it as a strategic move toL build its own software to give its commodity hardware (disk drives etc) more! value/features than competitors ?   L At least with the good old proprietary digital, one always knew that DigitalK would want to build a better mouse trap than others. But with HP, one nevernD can tell because the majority of HP wants to avoid building a betterN mousetrap, prefering instead to use someone else's low end/cheap mousetrap and putting its logo on it.P   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 14:18:13 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org+ Subject: Re: lib$spawn and persona servicese3 Message-ID: <IMyCRsDj7GY6@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  u In article <8369d643.0306190841.6ea9ed7a@posting.google.com>, forrest.cahoon@merrillcorp.com (Forrest Cahoon) writes:r[ > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote in message news:<9kBx74NK4b$m@eisner.encompasserve.org>...sx >> In article <8369d643.0306171355.7bb3649e@posting.google.com>, forrest.cahoon@merrillcorp.com (Forrest Cahoon) writes:F >> > I've been attemping to use persona services, and I'm running intoD >> > trouble using lib$spawn while impersonating a user who has only/ >> > the standard NETMBX and TMPMBX privileges., >> eI >> At a guess, without delving carefully into your code, the impersonatedeC >> user does not have access to your job logical name table and thehF >> mailbox created to support the spawn operation cannot have its name >> catalogued there. >> o >> 	John Briggsa > , > This does indeed appear to be the problem. > F > Now, is there any way I can explicitly give my impersonating processD > permission to write to its job table, keeping any extra privileges > given to an absolute minimum?T  D Easiest way is with an ACL to grant access to the impersonating UIC.  E $ SET SECURITY /ACL /OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE (or some such syntax).   A Not sure about a programatic approach for setting ACLs on logicalm name tables.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2003 21:41:29 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)o+ Subject: Re: lib$spawn and persona servicesw: Message-ID: <bctam9$il3$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  T In message <IMyCRsDj7GY6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:v >In article <8369d643.0306190841.6ea9ed7a@posting.google.com>, forrest.cahoon@merrillcorp.com (Forrest Cahoon) writes:G >> Now, is there any way I can explicitly give my impersonating process E >> permission to write to its job table, keeping any extra privilegesi  >> given to an absolute minimum? >oE >Easiest way is with an ACL to grant access to the impersonating UIC.A > F >$ SET SECURITY /ACL /OBJECT=LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE (or some such syntax).  E If you want to use minimum privileges, create a rights identifier for M each process slot for each process index (e.g. IMPERSONATE_JT_ACCESS_nnn) andeO then set the ACL to allow access for the identifier that corresponds to the jobtO master process index.  Then when you create the persona, use ISS$_ADD_RIGHTS to N include that identifier in the security profile.  This approach means only theO personating process (and others in the job tree) can see the job table, and not L any process that gets the same UIC (admittedly, finding the LNM$JOB_xxxxxxxx table name is a challenge).u  H I believe the add_rights feature was added in 7.2, so this won't work in versions before that.t   >cB >Not sure about a programatic approach for setting ACLs on logical
 >name tables.r   It's not really that tough:i0 	1. call to SYS$ASCTOID() to get the identifier,0 	2. Craft an identifier ACE for that identifier.B 	3. Call SYS$SET_SECURITY with a single-item item list (class name: 	   is "LOGICAL_NAME_TABLE" and object name is "LNM$JOB").    < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:tL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:28:05 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware) Message-ID: <3EF1F2A4.4E7CAC7D@istop.com>n   Hans Vlems wrote:  > J > Mozilla 1.4 on a Digital Server 5305 5/533 (one cpu) and 512 MB performs > more than adequately.r  @ Lynx on my all mighty microvax II performs more than adequately.  J Seems to me that Mozilla has become bloatware. Does it copy images/text 50M times into 50 different buffers before it is put to the screen, with those 50: buffers lingering on ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:32:51 -0400t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware' Message-ID: <3EF1F3C1.6618A0@istop.com>   G What is the relationship between Netscape and Mozilla ? I was under the>J impression that Netscape had made its core source code public domain which then became Mozilla.  I If that is the case, what happened to cause Netscape which was not such a 9 resource hog to become such a resource hog with Mozilla ?s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:19:58 -0700h+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>n$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware' Message-ID: <3EF20CDE.9050404@MMaz.com>    JF Mezei wrote:>  H >What is the relationship between Netscape and Mozilla ? I was under theK >impression that Netscape had made its core source code public domain which> >then became Mozilla.  >uJ >If that is the case, what happened to cause Netscape which was not such a: >resource hog to become such a resource hog with Mozilla ? >y >m >    >1K No Mozilla was a ground, up rewrite to be standards compliant and portable.i   Barry.   --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:29:31 +0200s+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>e$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware5 Message-ID: <bct2v2$mrai0$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   9 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> schreef in berichtT! news:3EF1F3C1.6618A0@istop.com... I > What is the relationship between Netscape and Mozilla ? I was under the L > impression that Netscape had made its core source code public domain which > then became Mozilla.   That is the way I'd put it too.c; Is it correct that the company Netscape is now part of Sun?e   >oK > If that is the case, what happened to cause Netscape which was not such aO; > resource hog to become such a resource hog with Mozilla ?   I Could be anything, from bad design and/or bad programming to flooding the G thing with largely unnecessary functionality. Look at the functionalityg? built in MS Word and what the average user actually needs/uses.f   Hans   PSK Lynx runs pretty well on my Alpha too. I didn''t try Lynx yet on one of thea VAXstations.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:55:27 +0000 (UTC) - From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) $ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware. Message-ID: <bct7vv$8oa$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes in article <bct2v2$mrai0$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de> dated Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:29:31 +0200: >f: >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> schreef in bericht" >news:3EF1F3C1.6618A0@istop.com...J >> What is the relationship between Netscape and Mozilla ? I was under theM >> impression that Netscape had made its core source code public domain whichW >> then became Mozilla.>  J The Netscape browser was originally based on Mozilla, and before they wentI under they released the then-current Mozilla code publically.  Sun bought L Netscape to save them from bankruptcy, which prompted DEC/Compaq to dump theK Netscape HTTP server for VMS and get behind the Apache port.  Then Sun sold A Netscape to AOL, who seems to be turning the browser into adware.f  2 Or maybe it was Sun who released the Mozilla code.  < >Is it correct that the company Netscape is now part of Sun?  J I don't know about the personel; the non-Mozilla part of the code is owned by AOL.s  L >> If that is the case, what happened to cause Netscape which was not such a< >> resource hog to become such a resource hog with Mozilla ?  I You could check with the folks at mozilla.org on this.  Maybe they'd evenI
 let you help.   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 14:38:40 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)l7 Subject: OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in July0= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0306191338.112b8d12@posting.google.com>    Dear Newsgroup,h  F A while ago I was asked if there was going to be a Technical UPdate in' the Chicago area, here are the details.g  
 Warm Regards,i Suev8 ________________________________________________________< Do you use OpenVMS and need to know how to do more with yourD environment? Unclear about the OpenVMS move to the Itanium processorF and need to know more details? Do you want to hear first-hand from theF experts? If so, then register now to attend this free one-day seminar!  E Members of the OpenVMS engineering organization will be in Chicago onoC Thursday, July 17 to answer your questions. You will hear about the E future of OpenVMS and the details of the operating system roadmap forsE the next several years from the people doing the work. You will learneC how to make OpenVMS a key part of your e-Business strategy. And youe@ will learn techniques for better performance management and some) "tips" to help you get more from OpenVMS.m  B If OpenVMS is critical to your business success, or it's just yourF passion, register to attend this seminar. For individuals who registerF via this website, lunch will be provided. Also, everyone who registersC via this website will be eligible to win one of two HP DeskJet 5550wE color printers, which will raffled at the end of the day. You must be C present in order to win. We hope to see you on Thursday, July 17 ats* the Doubletree in Downers Grove, Illinois!    $ To learn more and to register, visit, http://www.hp.com/large/events/2003/openvms/    -	  agenda     t  r  7:00 AM  Registration    aB  8:00 AM   Keynote: OpenVMS Strategy and Direction, Paul Lacombe    n  9:00 AM3   OpenVMS 7.3-2 Technical Update, Stephen Hoffman  .  g  10:00 AM  Break    /6  10:15 AM  OpenVMS and Itanium (Base OS), Karen Noel    1@  11:15 AM  Porting Applications to OpenVMS Itanium, Karen Noel    d  12:15 PM  Lunch    iD  1:00 PM   Secure Web Server (Apache) with Tomcat, Gaitan D'Antoni     E  2:00 PM  Web Enabling OpenVMS Applications and Data, Gaitan D'Antonio  S  3:00 PM  Break      E  3:15 PM  Best Practices: OpenVMS Performance, Tools, Techniques, Pats	 McConnell5  e4  4:15 PM  OpenVMS Hints and Kinks, Stephen Hoffman     !  5:15 PM  Reception & Door Prizes    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:26:21 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in JulyfI Message-ID: <hMqIa.139588$G_.132908@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>n   Sue,   Great that this is occurring.T  - One suggestion....change the wording to read,s    "Never heard of OpenVMS? 5   Heard about OpenVMS and want to know what it is andP      more about it?o4   Do you use OpenVMS and need to know how to do more      with your environment? 9   Unclear about the OpenVMS move to the Itanium processort$      and need to know more details?"  = See how easy it is to create 'advertising' for new customers?h  ( I know...you'd lose your job if you did.          > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0306191338.112b8d12@posting.google.com...t > Dear Newsgroup,e >cE > A while ago I was asked if there was going to be a Technical UPdate  in) > the Chicago area, here are the details.n >a > Warm Regards,i > Suei: > ________________________________________________________> > Do you use OpenVMS and need to know how to do more with yourF > environment? Unclear about the OpenVMS move to the Itanium processorD > and need to know more details? Do you want to hear first-hand from thet? > experts? If so, then register now to attend this free one-day  seminar! > D > Members of the OpenVMS engineering organization will be in Chicago onE > Thursday, July 17 to answer your questions. You will hear about thepC > future of OpenVMS and the details of the operating system roadmapr for A > the next several years from the people doing the work. You willc learnpE > how to make OpenVMS a key part of your e-Business strategy. And youoB > will learn techniques for better performance management and some+ > "tips" to help you get more from OpenVMS.e >PD > If OpenVMS is critical to your business success, or it's just your? > passion, register to attend this seminar. For individuals who  register> > via this website, lunch will be provided. Also, everyone who	 registerseE > via this website will be eligible to win one of two HP DeskJet 5550-D > color printers, which will raffled at the end of the day. You must beE > present in order to win. We hope to see you on Thursday, July 17 at3, > the Doubletree in Downers Grove, Illinois! >e >a& > To learn more and to register, visit. > http://www.hp.com/large/events/2003/openvms/ >t >G	 >  agenda/ >, >  >  7:00 AM  Registration >8B >  8:00 AM   Keynote: OpenVMS Strategy and Direction, Paul Lacombe >:
 >  9:00 AM3 >   OpenVMS 7.3-2 Technical Update, Stephen Hoffmane >2 >  10:00 AM  Break >-6 >  10:15 AM  OpenVMS and Itanium (Base OS), Karen Noel >e@ >  11:15 AM  Porting Applications to OpenVMS Itanium, Karen Noel >  >  12:15 PM  Lunch >0D >  1:00 PM   Secure Web Server (Apache) with Tomcat, Gaitan D'Antoni >a> >  2:00 PM  Web Enabling OpenVMS Applications and Data, Gaitan D'Antoni >  >  3:00 PM  Break7 >1C >  3:15 PM  Best Practices: OpenVMS Performance, Tools, Techniques,  Pats > McConnelly >g4 >  4:15 PM  OpenVMS Hints and Kinks, Stephen Hoffman >i# >  5:15 PM  Reception & Door PrizesM   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:25:20 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a; Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in JulyDJ Message-ID: <kguIa.146868$3Sm.106254@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3EF272B9.AF6306D3@fsi.net...I > John Smith wrote:a
 > > [snip]A > > See how easy it is to create 'advertising' for new customers?g > > , > > I know...you'd lose your job if you did. >fC > Oh, she'd know where it is - she wouldn't "lose" it, but it wouldl likely > be taken away from her... ;-)e    ' Good catch. That's what I meant to say.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:34:33 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c; Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Day - Chicago in Julye' Message-ID: <3EF272B9.AF6306D3@fsi.net>W   John Smith wrote:: > [snip]? > See how easy it is to create 'advertising' for new customers?. > * > I know...you'd lose your job if you did.  H Oh, she'd know where it is - she wouldn't "lose" it, but it would likely be taken away from her... ;-)    -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2003 18:11 CDTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) , Subject: Re: PIPE output defined to a symbol- Message-ID: <19JUN200318110297@gerg.tamu.edu>l  " briggs@encompasserve.org writes...] }In article <03061910412453@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:rL }> My co-worker did point out that it would be a whole lot easier to use the  }> following LEXICAL function... }> a. }> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("MEMSIZE") /128 }> a& }> Same result and a whole lot faster! } G }Isn't that always the way.  You sweat and strain, gain a factor of twoe< }here, ten percent there and fifteen percent somewhere else. } D }And just when you're patting yourself on the back, some joker showsG }you how it could have been done more easily and a hundred times fasteru+ }by taking a completely different approach.p }  }:-) } 
 }	John Briggsu  = Bear in mind that the above assumes an 8KB page size (so thate; dividing by 128 gives you MB). This may not always work (its certainly doesn't on a VAX).   Consder this instead:t $ mempag = F$GetSYI("MEMSIZE")0 $ mem = mempag/1024 * F$GetSYI("PAGE_SIZE")/1024 $ Write Sys$Output mem,"MB"i  B One of the divisions by 1024 is put before the multiply to preventA systems with a lot of memory from overflowing DCL's signed 32 bitlF integers. No Alphas have so few pages as to cause this to be a problemC on the low end, although if the page size goes up a lot it might beeC possible (but unlikely) that this could cause a problem. The secondlD division by 1024 is after the multiply to prevent systems with under$ a million pages from reporting 0 MB.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2003 18:18 CDTY' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) % Subject: Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMI - Message-ID: <19JUN200318180881@gerg.tamu.edu>u  ' fernando.vallarino@oca.com.uy writes...- } P }unsigned int CPUInterrupt,CPUKernel,CPUExec,CPUSuper,CPUUser,CPUCompat,CPUIdle;  C How certain are you that these are 32 bit ints and not 64 bit ints?-  A The data in the structures in the VMS kernel that store this sort F of info are 64 bit ints ("unsigned __int64" and size = 8 in the ILE3).? I would not be surprised if that was what the routine returned.E   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2003 18:23 CDTE' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)N% Subject: Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMIY- Message-ID: <19JUN200318230243@gerg.tamu.edu>D  + carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes...D( }fernando.vallarino@oca.com.uy writes... }} aQ }}unsigned int CPUInterrupt,CPUKernel,CPUExec,CPUSuper,CPUUser,CPUCompat,CPUIdle;R } D }How certain are you that these are 32 bit ints and not 64 bit ints? }    Replying to my own post...  > I left a word out on the next line. It should say "Alpha VMS". (They are 32 bits on a VAX.)  B }The data in the structures in the VMS kernel that store this sortG }of info are 64 bit ints ("unsigned __int64" and size = 8 in the ILE3). @ }I would not be surprised if that was what the routine returned. } 	 }--- Carlo   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 20:22:35 -0700$ From: n8wxs@arrl.net (Jeff Campbell)% Subject: Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMI = Message-ID: <1a40a0b2.0306191922.1c1a34c2@posting.google.com>o  g fernando.vallarino@oca.com.uy wrote in message news:<5da5a1ff.0306190826.cf4fc69@posting.google.com>...e > > ; > > At a minimum, your example code is faulty as it stands.s > > K > > You should be calling the wait service, rather than the asynch service.t > N > I've tried GETRMIW but if I use it the linker returns the following message: > ' > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol: % > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         SYS$GETRMIWc; > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol SYS$GETRMIW referenceds+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000190s@ >         in module RMI1 file DSKP2:[LOGIN.VALLARINO]RMI1.OBJ;43 > M > When I call the system service with an AST routine, the values are 0 again.lJ > Also when call the system service with an event flag and waiting for it, > the values still remain 0. >  > 8 > > You should also be outputting the value of Ret also. > " > The value of Ret was SS$_NORMAL. > K > > Is your definition of the structure IOSB correct?  If done incorrectly,i > > it could be a problem. > / > I'm using the IOSB type defined in IOSBDEF.H.n > H > > Is your definition of the structure IL (item List) correct?  If done' > > incorrectly, it could be a problem.9 > . > I'm using the ILE3 type defined in ILEDEF.H. >   > The code with the event flags:  > ------------------------------ >  > #define __NEW_STARLET/ > #include <stdio> > #include <string>- > #include <stdlib>  > #include <starlet> > #include <lib$routines>m > #include <rmidef>o > #include <iledef>  > #include <iosbdef> > #include <ssdef> > Q > unsigned int CPUInterrupt,CPUKernel,CPUExec,CPUSuper,CPUUser,CPUCompat,CPUIdle;-I > unsigned short int LInterrupt,LKernel,LExec,LSuper,LUser,LCompat,LIdle;y > unsigned int PrcLEF; > unsigned short int LLEF; >  > void ShowValues(void)u > { E >         printf("CPUInterrupt = %d %d\n", CPUInterrupt, LInterrupt);n< >         printf("CPUKernel = %d %d\n", CPUKernel, LKernel);6 >         printf("CPUExec = %d %d\n", CPUExec, LExec);9 >         printf("CPUSuper = %d %d\n", CPUSuper, LSuper);=6 >         printf("CPUUser = %d %d\n", CPUUser, LUser);< >         printf("CPUCompat = %d %d\n", CPUCompat, LCompat);6 >         printf("CPUIdle = %d %d\n", CPUIdle, LIdle);3 >         printf("PrcLEF = %d %d\n", PrcLEF, LLEF);! > }- >  > main() > {r >         ILE3 Sol[] = {B >                 {4, RMI$_INTERRUPT, &CPUInterrupt, &LInterrupt},9 >                 {4, RMI$_KERNEL, &CPUKernel, &LKernel},u3 >                 {4, RMI$_EXEC, &CPUExec, &LExec},16 >                 {4, RMI$_SUPER, &CPUSuper, &LSuper},4 >                 {4, RMI$_USER,  &CPUUser, &LUser},9 >                 {4, RMI$_COMPAT, &CPUCompat, &LCompat}, 3 >                 {4, RMI$_IDLE, &CPUIdle, &LIdle},f0 >                 {4, RMI$_LEF, &PrcLEF, &LLEF},. >                 {0, 0,          0,        0}  C None of these RMI$_ codes are valid when used with SYS$GETRMI. See:   L   <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4527/4527pro_063.html#index_x_616>   for valid RMI_ codes.b   >         }; >         int Ret; >         IOSB Iosb;  >         unsigned int EFNumber; >         unsigned int EFMask;" >         unsigned int EFMaskTest; >         int i; >  > & >         Ret = lib$get_ef(&EFNumber);  >         if (Ret != SS$_NORMAL) >                 exit(Ret); >         if (EFNumber == -1) { 2 >                 printf("No more event flags\n"); >                 exit(0); >         }-, >         EFMaskTest = 1 << (EFNumber % 32);$ >         Ret = sys$clref(EFNumber);9 >         if ((Ret != SS$_WASCLR) && (Ret != SS$_WASSET))- >                 exit(Ret);> >         Ret = sys$getrmi(EFNumber, 0, 0, &Sol, &Iosb, 0, 0);> >         printf("GETRMI = %d %d\n", Ret, Iosb.iosb$w_status);" >         if (Ret != SS$_NORMAL) {) >                 lib$free_ef(&EFNumber);h >                 exit(Ret); >         } else {- >                 Ret = sys$waitfr(EFNumber); * >                 if (Ret == SS$_NORMAL) {8 >                         sys$readef(EFNumber, &EFMask);4 >                         if (EFMask & EFMaskTest) {5 >                                 printf("Set ok\n");o/ >                                 ShowValues();w  >                         } else6 >                                 printf("Not set\n"); >                 }1) >                 lib$free_ef(&EFNumber);  >         }w > }f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:12:41 +0200o From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>B Subject: Re: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour?2 Message-ID: <bct9bn$u37$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Adrian Birkett wrote:v > All, > H > At the customers request, I have created the following raid sets using > swxcrmgr on an Alpha 4100r >     DRA0:    single 2GB JBOD >     DRA1:    4*2GB Raid-5t >     DRA2:    4*2GB Raid-5  >     DRA3:    3*2GB Raid-5s >     DRA4:    2*2GB Raid-5l > B > I have then started to initialize them. This is seemingly takingC > forever. At the time of writing this post, the procedure has beeneF > running for 30 hours and the %age completions are 73, 23, 21, 31, 61 > respectively.n > H > Maybe I shouldn't have started them off at the same time, but I didn'tJ > expect it to take this long. Is this expected behaviour given the set-up > and sizes as stated above.  P These are exeptionally long times. I've used these controllers quite often, and O only on the old EISA types it would take a very long time, but never 30 hrs or LP more. It could point to a problem on one of the SCSI busses, or a bad disk. And H since the disks are quite old (most likely), that would not surprise me.    N But why are you making a 2*2 GB raid-5 set ? A mirror (raid 1) is much faster  and offers the same redundancy.e     > 	 > Thanks,u >  > Aden >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:20:38 GMTm& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>B Subject: Re: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour?8 Message-ID: <8pd4fv8v7g2rq696lhtrav5tr10f8j76r7@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:38:25 +0100, Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com>  wrote:   >All,- >-G >At the customers request, I have created the following raid sets using( >swxcrmgr on an Alpha 4100 >    DRA0:    single 2GB JBODg >    DRA1:    4*2GB Raid-5 >    DRA2:    4*2GB Raid-5 >    DRA3:    3*2GB Raid-5 >    DRA4:    2*2GB Raid-5 >a  ' Um.... 2 drives in a RAID-5 set (DRA4)?o* I always thought 3 drives was the minimum.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:30:27 -0400o* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>I Subject: Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long)r) Message-ID: <3EF1F332.18F84878@istop.com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:G > No, not really.  X11 has a weak and ad-hoc security method.  When thetL > connection is made, the server exhanges - via some X11 protocol messages -; > any authentication.  Magic-Cookie-1 is just one of them.    L I am curious. My old MAc X server uses MIT_MAGIC_COOKIE for XDM. VMS doesn'tJ support that authentication. Yet, I have no problems connecting. Does thisL mean that while it might use the MIT magic cookie for XDM requests, it would: use magic-cookie-1 for the actual session authentication ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:11:07 -0400m* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>I Subject: Re: SEC:U MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, Motif 1.3 and HP TCP/IP XDM (long)b) Message-ID: <3EF20AC2.7F45EABD@istop.com>P  	 Question:e  N Since XDM is available on VAX, what will happen when you update XDM to supportI MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE based on availability of support in x-lib but that newer.  x-lib won't make it to vax ? ???  L Seems to me that the easiest solution is to simply port the newer Xlib stuffK to VAX which will simplify all the rest. Need I remind you that there is an I infinitely greater number of VAX customers than there are IA64 customers.   N Only once IA64 has more customers than VAX should you consider diminishing the' availability of modern software on VAX.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:20:45 -0400 + From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>u/ Subject: Re: Tracing  EXE -> OBJ -> SRC modules-8 Message-ID: <8mv3fv4q0bhhtugi1un50ju3lsgo6s2brn@4ax.com>  H On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:25:23 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  J >ANAL/IMAGE will tell me which linker was used to link the OBJ, but how do3 >I uniquely determine which object module was used?s >eK >ANAL/OBJ will tel me which compiler was used, but how do I determine which> >source module was used? >sK >Assume there are no log files.  IOW, given only an image can you determine  >the OBJ and SRC modules?.  C Only if the program was compiled and linked /DEBUG.  Otherwise, no.    Steve    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:18:21 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: Tracing  EXE -> OBJ -> SRC modulesp0 Message-ID: <10oIa.2999$JK2.53@news.cpqcorp.net>   Tom Linden wrote: K > ANAL/IMAGE will tell me which linker was used to link the OBJ, but how do 4 > I uniquely determine which object module was used?  
 The link map.    > L > ANAL/OBJ will tel me which compiler was used, but how do I determine which > source module was used?k   The listing file.o   > L > Assume there are no log files.  IOW, given only an image can you determine > the OBJ and SRC modules?   You cannot.t  D Now that I've said that, if the source was compiled with /DEBUG and H linked with /DEBUG, you do have source file locations buried inside the . DSTs.  It doesn't have any object information.     -- e John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:14:22 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>p/ Subject: RE: Tracing  EXE -> OBJ -> SRC modules 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEAOHHAA.tom@kednos.com>e  F It might be nice to add this to the wish list.  IIRC, this is possible on MVS.    Tomk   >-----Original Message-----n3 >From: Steve Lionel [mailto:Steve.Lionel@intel.com]s' >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:21 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com/ >Subject: Re: Tracing EXE -> OBJ -> SRC modulese >h >1I >On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:25:23 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote:R >IK >>ANAL/IMAGE will tell me which linker was used to link the OBJ, but how dos4 >>I uniquely determine which object module was used? >>L >>ANAL/OBJ will tel me which compiler was used, but how do I determine which >>source module was used?o >>L >>Assume there are no log files.  IOW, given only an image can you determine >>the OBJ and SRC modules? >hD >Only if the program was compiled and linked /DEBUG.  Otherwise, no. >h >Steve >a >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.b; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).nA >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003o >  ---a& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 14:41:35 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)e4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0306191341.51245e18@posting.google.com>o  D Each site will be posting the presentations and as soon as I get the@ information I will post it here.  The Carly video was part of myC presentation and while it is short it is huge so I am not sure whatP the folks will do.  
 Warm Regards,H Suei    v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0306190525.78d9120f@posting.google.com>... > Dear Newsgroup,m > 
 > She's back!e > F > Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London and ViennaH > talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and would likeD > to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated. >  > Warm Regards,S > Suet   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:10:56 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>u4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days2 Message-ID: <bctcdg$7qg$1@hercules.btinternet.com>   Hi,b  * And the London event was advertised where?   Regards Richard Maher.  < Sue Skonetski <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0306190525.78d9120f@posting.google.com...e > Dear Newsgroup,t >.
 > She's back!e > F > Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London and ViennaH > talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and would likeD > to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated. >m > Warm Regards,g > Suep   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:37:28 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate daysH Message-ID: <IWqIa.139690$G_.96069@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ This event was 'classified' as marketing.....for companies whose0 annual sales are $5B+ and are already using VMS.  E If your company is selling $5B+ and not using VMS, HP doesn't want tolC talk with you about VMS...but they will talk with you about Windowsr
 and HP-UX.            > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message, news:bctcdg$7qg$1@hercules.btinternet.com... > Hi,g >r, > And the London event was advertised where? >c > Regards Richard Maher. >m> > Sue Skonetski <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:857e9e41.0306190525.78d9120f@posting.google.com...  > > Dear Newsgroup,p > >  > > She's back!a > >oA > > Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London andf ViennaE > > talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and wouldr likeF > > to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated. > >  > > Warm Regards,a > > Suec >v >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:38:37 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate daysJ Message-ID: <NXqIa.146078$3Sm.120796@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  9 Well maybe post the bit where she says that HP thinks VMS >  is the best o/s they've got and that HP is about to launch an: advertising campaign around OpenVMS....you know the one...2 the "You'd Be Nuts To Use Anything Else" campaign.    # or am I placing words in her mouth?r        > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0306191341.51245e18@posting.google.com... F > Each site will be posting the presentations and as soon as I get theB > information I will post it here.  The Carly video was part of myE > presentation and while it is short it is huge so I am not sure what. > the folks will do. >4 > Warm Regards,6 > Suet >. >g> > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message9 news:<857e9e41.0306190525.78d9120f@posting.google.com>...  > > Dear Newsgroup,o > >u > > She's back!i > >pA > > Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London and  ViennaE > > talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and woulde likeF > > to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated. > >h > > Warm Regards,d > > Suer   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:36:26 -0700 (PDT)B. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days@ Message-ID: <20030619233626.26352.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   People  / I have my doubts if these Technical Symposiums n( really work to help the OVMS community.   7 Would be better some event like DECUS by HP showing all 6 the line of products and not commmited to OVMS only or HP-UX only, etc ...m  5 I dont understand because still exiting Encompass and   the HP User Group Inter#@#$ ????  4 You can have some presentations of OpenVIEW managing5 OVMS servers for example ! BMC showing their productsR  under OVMS ! Etc ! Am I wrong ?   2 And I am not watching HP porting some products to @ the OVMS environment, like HP printer, scanners, photo drivers! / Or HP JetDirect management software for OVMS ! 4  3 HP products to improve HP OpenVMS ! What is wrong ?o   Regardsr   FC F& --- John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:; > Well maybe post the bit where she says that HP thinks VMSp@ >  is the best o/s they've got and that HP is about to launch an< > advertising campaign around OpenVMS....you know the one...4 > the "You'd Be Nuts To Use Anything Else" campaign. >  > % > or am I placing words in her mouth?  >  >  >  > @ > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:857e9e41.0306191341.51245e18@posting.google.com....H > > Each site will be posting the presentations and as soon as I get theD > > information I will post it here.  The Carly video was part of myG > > presentation and while it is short it is huge so I am not sure whatt > > the folks will do. > >. > > Warm Regards,n > > Suee > >s > >n@ > > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message; > news:<857e9e41.0306190525.78d9120f@posting.google.com>...  > > > Dear Newsgroup,a > > >e > > > She's back!  > > >iC > > > Well I am back in the office after a great trip to London ande > ViennaG > > > talking to our customers.  If you attended either event and would  > likeH > > > to post feedback or send it to me directly it would be apreciated. > > >g > > > Warm Regards,2	 > > > Suei >  >      =====h ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilE fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  " __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?+ SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!  http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 18:28:55 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)c4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days; Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306191728.c498f1@posting.google.com>   > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message, news:bctcdg$7qg$1@hercules.btinternet.com..., > And the London event was advertised where?  5 1) Here, more than once (e.g. a March 22 post by Sue:a http://groups.google.com/groups?q=london+technical+update+group:comp.os.vms&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.os.vms&selm=XtHm8.1382%24fL6.27202%40news.cpqcorp.net&rnum=1)t  F 2) Local_Events notesfile on DECUServe (aka Encompasserve), topic 170.  + 3) Mail to the VMS SIG mailing list by Sue.n  W 4) CUO website: http://www.compaqusers.org/site/cms/contentviewarticle.asp?article=1727z   5) The HP-Interex EMEA website:jE http://www.hp-interex.org/site/cms/contentviewarticle.asp?article=662m --- ) The next one is in Chicago, July 17.  Seen, http://www.hp.com/large/events/2003/openvms/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:40:52 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate daysI Message-ID: <UuuIa.146905$3Sm.89361@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>-  F And the citations for the ads in newspapers and trade publications are where?  D Preaching to the converted again HP. On any given day you sell fewerF systems to fewer customers than systems which are retired by customers? leaving VMS. Or are we still holding steady at 450,000 or is itt7 411,000 systems, as it has 'been' for the past 5 years?c  B I work with banks and brokerage firms...just the sort of customersB you'd love to have...bottomless pockets, long-term commitments, asD close to price-insensitive as you could want to find especially whenC markets are hot, and most of the ones I talk with think VMS is dead-5 (and that's at the IT director level or thereabouts).r  B I ask them when the last time they heard/saw anything about VMS inF print in the form of advertising and the best they can come up with isC maybe about 5 years ago, which may or may not be entirely accurate.j But that's the perception.  A If you want to continue to have 411,000 systems in the field in 5eE years you'd better pray they are mostly IA-64 or whatever is the then8= supported new processor on the block, and not uVAX'es in BA23n@ cabinets. And that's going to take advertising to other than the
 converted.      > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message5 news:cf15391e.0306191728.c498f1@posting.google.com...c@ > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message. > news:bctcdg$7qg$1@hercules.btinternet.com.... > > And the London event was advertised where? >l7 > 1) Here, more than once (e.g. a March 22 post by Sue:g >mF http://groups.google.com/groups?q=london+technical+update+group:comp.oF s.vms&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=comp.os.vms&selm=XtHm8.1382%24fL6.27202 %40news.cpqcorp.net&rnum=1)S >yC > 2) Local_Events notesfile on DECUServe (aka Encompasserve), topic  170. >s- > 3) Mail to the VMS SIG mailing list by Sue.a >  > 4) CUO website::F http://www.compaqusers.org/site/cms/contentviewarticle.asp?article=172 7: >:! > 5) The HP-Interex EMEA website:D >bE http://www.hp-interex.org/site/cms/contentviewarticle.asp?article=662l > ---s+ > The next one is in Chicago, July 17.  Seen. > http://www.hp.com/large/events/2003/openvms/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:36:19 -04003, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: VMS Freeware CDsl* Message-ID: <3ef22346@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   ok,aJ in the default anonymous ftp area on the server (h71000.www7.hp.com) there are 2 new files:   freeware50.bck  L which is a 809MB backup save set of all the freeware in the [.freeware50...]. directory tree. Without the zip files that are> in the top of each directory which are that directory and it'sG subdirectories zipped up (I figure you don't need 2 copies of the disk)n   and    freeware50.zip  @ which is a 390MB zip of freeware50.bck ($zip "-V" freeware50.zip% freeware50.bck) about 55% compressionI  K enjoy.. If you really want I can shove them over onto ftp.hp.com so you cantG do ftp:// stuff.. csws and tcpip services don't like doing ftp:// stuffI   -warrenh   --  K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------m7 Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM)iB Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.comK 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal: sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.com . Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48755    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself-*          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------g        2 "Bart Zorn" <Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl> wrote in message7 news:a98cd882.0306190425.62d57567@posting.google.com...gC > A 'zip "-V" somefile.zip somefile.bck', where 'somefile.bck' is ai% > backup save set would suit me best!_ >_	 > Thanks!_ >_ > Bart Zorn_ >_9 > "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in messagee( news:<3ef0ce5d$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...K > > if you all want a 'honking big' downloadable file of the freeware cd(s)  It > > can do it.L > > What format do you want (backup save set compressed w/spool?), zip file? > >! > > -warrenf > >O > > -- g >eL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o; > > Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM)lF > > Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.com- > > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal:m! sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.coms2 > > Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48759 > >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselfg. > >          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvms > L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -r > >  > >i2 > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageG > > news:7PNHa.129895$3Sm.40260@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > > >o2 > > > <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message0 > > > news:00A21860.36AE95A1@SendSpamHere.ORG...0 > > > > In article <bcnfrr$roa$2@pcls4.std.com>,> > >  moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:K > > > > >I can host files if necessary.  I have a DSL line with no transferp > >  limit.  > > > > >--t > > > > >-Mike > > > >iJ > > > > FYI, I've had the freeware CDs V1 through V5 hosted at my site for	 > >  some  > > > > time and I've got a T1.a > > >p > > >fK > > > So all that's required is someplace to list your site, Michael's, and % > > > others who are willing to host.p > > >n > > >e > > >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:22:54 GMTv6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> Subject: Re: VMS SQL clienta@ Message-ID: <7c527f33e4340977c292fb64cf7f2d97@free.teranews.com>  4 In article <bcsms2$mrj$1$830fa7b3@news.demon.co.uk>,2  Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:  7 > Finally, a working username/password ... many thanks.r  B > Put the matching srv, uid, pwd, and db=NavisionTest into pwd.in.  C And what did you put in freetds.conf?  Whatever you specify on the SG "SRV=" line in pwd needs to have an entry in freetds.conf.  Sorry if I 2H forgot to mention that earlier; I think this is covered in chapter 3 of 2 the user guide (http://www.freetds.org/userguide).   > Got: >  > copy PWD.IN PWD.N > DISK$ADEV:[CHRIS.AWORK.FREETDS.FREETDS-0_61.SRC.TDS.UNITTESTS]DYNAMIC1.C;1:  > Test dynamic queries > tds_connect() failed > try_tds_login() failed  B If you can't log in, then obviously nothing else is going to work A either.  You can diagnose problems by defining the logical names r0 TDSDUMP and TDSDUMPCONFIG to point to log files:   $ define tdsdump tdsdump.log( $ define tdsdumpconfig tdsdumpconfig.log  E As you debug the login problem, consider running one test after each nF configuration change rather than the whole suite.  From the top-level 
 directory:  ! $ define freetdsconf freetds.confh" $ run [.src.tds.unittests]dynamic1  F Also, if you get connected but have trouble downstream of that, don't G overlook checking logs on the server side, possibly bumping up the log w
 verbosity.  ; Congratulations, you are now experiencing platform neutral eD configuration difficulties.  All of the hassles of configuring this E type of software have been meticulously ported to VMS in order to be -C just as difficult as on other platforms.  Keep us posted on how it   goes.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2003 17:56:11 -05004 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt); Subject: VMS73_SYS-V0600 released, fixes SMTP hang problemsa3 Message-ID: <WIIawyFzKdwu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   9 HP has released VMS73_SYS-V0600 which fixes the SMTP hang : problems introduced in SYS-V0500.  The patch is located in3 http://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.3/O   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:19:20 GMTj& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>/ Subject: Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIRi8 Message-ID: <0md4fv4n328u430enof51l2j1lt4o729up@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:03:03 -0400, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:5  O >On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:46:18 GMT, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote:r >nD >>This should be a fairly simple question for someone in the know... >>J >>When you do a $ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on a disk volume, which of the following >>cases is true ?w >>   >>[snip...]s >0Q >Well, I'm not "in the know" but I have read the doc and have experienced some ofKH >the "gotchas" around this. Here is what the doc for ANALYZE /DISK says: >nP >"You can safely use ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE on a disk that is concurrently beingN >used for other file operations. If you specify /REPAIR, the utility locks theJ >volume before performing any operations; this blocks volume modification.M >Because other users cannot create, delete, extend, or truncate files, repair H >operations are unimpeded and the volume is left in a consistent state.  >a >[snip good documentation...]c  I I always preferred using DFU (from the Freeware CD).  It runs much faster 5 and locks the volume for a very short period of time.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:27:02 -0500r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>@/ Subject: Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIRd' Message-ID: <3EF270F6.8994AFBE@fsi.net>k   jlsue wrote: > M > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:03:03 -0400, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:f > Q > >On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:46:18 GMT, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote:  > >]F > >>This should be a fairly simple question for someone in the know... > >>L > >>When you do a $ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on a disk volume, which of the following > >>cases is true ?i > >> > 
 > >>[snip...]  > >tS > >Well, I'm not "in the know" but I have read the doc and have experienced some of-J > >the "gotchas" around this. Here is what the doc for ANALYZE /DISK says: > >aR > >"You can safely use ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE on a disk that is concurrently beingP > >used for other file operations. If you specify /REPAIR, the utility locks theL > >volume before performing any operations; this blocks volume modification.O > >Because other users cannot create, delete, extend, or truncate files, repair'I > >operations are unimpeded and the volume is left in a consistent state.a > >. > >[snip good documentation...]p > K > I always preferred using DFU (from the Freeware CD).  It runs much faster.7 > and locks the volume for a very short period of time.   @ ...but is unsupported. If it should trash your disk, you're SOL.  D Probably o.k. for development system. For production, I'd stick with supported stuff.   ...IMHO, YMMV...   -- g David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems5 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:20:09 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>eC Subject: Re: [OT] SCO tells IBM no more AIX ... IBM better buy VMS! H Message-ID: <tGqIa.139548$G_.87650@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  6 "Dan Foster" <dsf@globalcrossing.net> wrote in message- news:slrnbevm1i.6uc.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net...f; > In article <3EEFD465.ADDB076E@fsi.net>, David J. Dachterao <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > >sF > > None of the *BSD sites list an RS6000 port, AFAICT. Didn't look at
 > > Linux. >rA > NetBSD runs on some PReP-based (older) RS/6000s; that's only ang
 handful ofF > machines as IBM soon came out with CHRP-based RS/6000s starting with thes@ > F50 in about 1997 or so. It doesn't work with the pre-PReP MCA	 machines,eF > either. So the net effect is that this port works only on an handful ofC > older RS/6000 models. The NetBSD port for the PReP based boxes is  calledD > port-prep. There is no NetBSD port known to be working with any of the " > newer (or the even older) boxes. >eF > I know for sure the RS/6000 platform isn't covered by either FreeBSD or
 > OpenBSD. >t? > Several Linux distributions works on the current RS/6000s (ore
 pSeries ifB > you prefer the new name) such as YellowDog Linux, and reportedly Gentoo( > Linux, and at least one or two others. >aE > Despite these options, I wouldn't run anything but AIX on a RS/6000u and:B > anything but VMS on a VAX or Alpha because in my honest opinion,
 most otherE > options are relatively immature (although I could see running Tru64u on aneB > Alpha), especially in area of device driver and hardware support honed byA > years of skilled people and knowledge and experience along witht detailed= > documentation about internals available to these commercialn developers.4 >nE > It's just simply a long way from polished when you deviate from the  common > hardware/OS combinations.- >-F > My two cents for this thread: it's a shame IBM's not interested, but thenE > again, they already have enough platforms to support in-house and I < > wouldn't want see them buying VMS only to relegate it to a
 continuingB > engineering type of support from being overextended. Besides, HP	 still hase> > what remains of the long-time VMS team and existing customer relationships. >yF > Rather, the focus should probably be to convince HP to make the most of theF > great thing they own. Dreaming of a knight on a white steed rescuing VMS is  > just wishful thinking at best. >tE > Alas, I don't know how one would effectively bridge the gap betweeni great(C > HP VMS advocates such as Ms. Skonetski and the rest of the seniori > management team at HP. >iF > Perhaps we could all pool money together to send the most convincing person> > from comp.os.vms to meet the senior HP management folks at a celebrity golf> > tournament and wine-n-dine them with a lot of compelling and
 persuasive > arguments? :)v  ) No one here would ever get past security.a  A If you aren't the CEO of a $5B+ company or hang with carly(tm) inm> Davos, HP doesn't take you seriously or want to talk with you.  ? Besides, there is precious little evidence that Compaq/HP upper @ management listens to persuasive argument. On the other hand, inC various countries around the world, electric cattle prods have beenN proven to work . ;-)    F None of senior management at HP seem to have a 'passion' for what theyB do and the products they are responsible for. They are acting likeF drone managers - which is probably what the shareholders want - and ifC what the shareholders seem to want happens to screw your company orl@ educational institution in the process, well, that's capitalism.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.339 ************************