1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 20 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 340       Contents: Any ISP on VMS? G Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June G Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June G Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June & Re: Cable for BA356 Deskside Expansion# Re: EVA-5000 performance monitoring  Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE- Re: File lock by another user. How to delete? - Re: File lock by another user. How to delete? 7 Fortran compiler was (Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?) ; Re: Fortran compiler was (Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?) ' FORTRAN-Debugger more than one session? + Re: FORTRAN-Debugger more than one session?   Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?  Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?  Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?/ Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! + Re: Installation problem with OpenVMS 7.3.1 $ Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux? Memo:  Rant  Re: Memo:  Rant  Re: Memo:  Rant * Memo:  Re: EVA-5000 performance monitoring Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  New AlphaServer DS15 ???( Re: php_mysql module for mod_php in CSWS( Re: php_mysql module for mod_php in CSWS( Re: php_mysql module for mod_php in CSWS Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMI Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMI+ Re: PW V5.0F ECO 2 and VMS V7.3-1 resources 9 Re: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour? 9 Re: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour?  SSH2 and X11 tunnel  Re: SSH2 and X11 tunnel + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days + Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days  Re: VMS Freeware CDs Re: VMS Freeware CDs& Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIR* RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)* RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)@ Re: [ENABLE AUTOSTART] How to determine the state of AUTOSTART ?@ Re: [ENABLE AUTOSTART] How to determine the state of AUTOSTART ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:50:29 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Any ISP on VMS?5 Message-ID: <bcvhia$o2pcs$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>   : Because of some new work I will be doing I need to setup a; small web site for myself. Since I'm a VMS type guy I would 9 rather find a ISP who can host my site on a VMS system. I > recall seeing someone post here before that their company does; this but every key word I can think of has too many hits on  Google.   : Is there anyone out there who can host a (currently small)> commercial site on a VMS machine. The site name will be in the; .CA domain, and I would prefer dealing with a Canadian site < just to make billings, payments and budgets easier, but that is not 100% necessary.   Thanks.    -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. ) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:02:30 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>P Subject: Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June) Message-ID: <3EF2791D.775D680F@istop.com>    Keith Parris wrote: G > Frank Puranik: Frank is the Technical Director at Itheon and has been B > Paul Dolan: Paul is the World-wide Manager of Disaster ToleranceB > Chris Loane: Chris is a Senior Consultant with Hewlett-Packard's    H Will any of these 3 speakers make more than a passing reference to VMS ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:48:19 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>P Subject: Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June5 Message-ID: <bcueia$muml0$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message # news:3EF2791D.775D680F@istop.com...  > Keith Parris wrote: I > > Frank Puranik: Frank is the Technical Director at Itheon and has been D > > Paul Dolan: Paul is the World-wide Manager of Disaster ToleranceD > > Chris Loane: Chris is a Senior Consultant with Hewlett-Packard's >  > J > Will any of these 3 speakers make more than a passing reference to VMS ?  J I expect so, I know Chris Loane, he is almost as much a VMS bigot as I am.     -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@jomatech.com  +44-(0)23-92552229 http://www.jomatech.com/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/2003    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:26:54 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>P Subject: Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June) Message-ID: <3EF2C54E.FCD974AE@127.0.0.1>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Keith Parris wrote: I > > Frank Puranik: Frank is the Technical Director at Itheon and has been D > > Paul Dolan: Paul is the World-wide Manager of Disaster ToleranceD > > Chris Loane: Chris is a Senior Consultant with Hewlett-Packard's > J > Will any of these 3 speakers make more than a passing reference to VMS ?  E Frank Puranik has his roots and experience in VMS, and has adapted to A the UNIX world of life as well. He's a Technical Director that is D actually technical, and the company still does VMS very competently.D He's one of the "converted" who has merely adapted to a multi vendor life.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:02:39 -0300 1 From: Rodman S. Regier <rsrNOSPAM@hfx.andara.com> / Subject: Re: Cable for BA356 Deskside Expansion 8 Message-ID: <hbj5fvcl2bn48js1ink5u9s29bf7e8rhq0@4ax.com>  + On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:42:19 -0400, BoylesA # <alan.boyles@mindspring.com> wrote:   L >Anyone know the cable that you can use to attach a BA356-KD and a KZPCM-DA? > > >One connector is a 68 pin VHDCI and the other is a 68 pin HD. > Z >Anyone know of a good SCSI cable guide online for Alpha's.  I searched the HP website but, >stuff like that is hard to find these days.   Try 3rd party:   http://www.startech.com   = They have a SCSI cable selector app, click on pictures of the ? connectors.  Available thru reseller distribution channels too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:08:17 -0400 & From: Jilly <jilly@clarityconnect.com>, Subject: Re: EVA-5000 performance monitoring2 Message-ID: <3EF33F81.9B82BD3D@clarityconnect.com>  G In my work, ideally, I like to see the following for disk IO statistics   $ From a process level, per file stats 	Average IO size for reads 	Average IO size for writes  	Average read rates  	Average write rates 	Average read response time  	Average write response time 	Average XFC cache hit %  % From a system level, per volume stats  	Average IO size for reads 	Average IO size for writes  	Average read rate 	Average XFC hit % 	Average write rate % 	Average read response time (non-XFC)  	Average write response time  ' From a storage level, per spindle stats  	Average IO size for reads 	Average IO size for writes  	Average read rate 	Average write rate  	Average read response time  	Average write response time  B Haven't found any data collector yet that will supply all of theseB items.  But having all of these would make it oh so much easier to> troubleshoot performance problems and to do capacity planning.   jlsue wrote: > I > On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:31:49 -0400, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> wrote:  > I > >    We'll look into that.... I think it does not show I./O at the unit N > >level... ie.e $1$Dga2130: .... I'm told that EMC has something that can get? > >stats from an HP SAN, but HP does not.... how could that be?  > >  > J > Wait a sec.... $1$DGA2130 is a host-level device unit.  If in a cluster,F > you could use a cluster-wide data collection tool that combines eachI > system's stats into a complete picture.  If not a cluster, then monitor : > disk/item=all would give you the I/O stats to that disk. > G > I often wonder what people really need to see on the I/O stats at the L > controller level.  Nobody ever asked for it for disks on DSSI controllers, > or SCSI controllers. > L > Instead, we managed performance by watching I/O queues on the devices and,J > when they were starting to grow on a consistent basis, then we'd addressM > the issue (actually, prior to that we'd be doing capacity planning).  Sure, G > I've run VDTPY on occasion on the HSC/Z/G, but it's never been a real L > integral part of my performance management and capacity planning (and I'veL > done a LOT of that over the years).  With these HS controllers, using SCSIM > technology, there is a relatively small number of spindles involved in each L > LUN, and performance can degrade very quickly - often exponentially - with > the workload.  > L > With EVA, performance will degrade for pretty much every system who's LUNsK > came from the same storage group.  But the upside is that the performance M > degrades much more gradually, and much more linearly with the workload (due ? > to the statistics involved in the larger number of spindles).  > K > If performance begins getting bad, adding 10 (or more) disks to the group L > is fairly simple, and soon you've alleviated all the I/O bottlenecks.  AndL > it's all transparent (operationally speaking) to the host servers that are0 > using the LUNs.  Performance just gets better. > C > That beats the hell out of manually moving files, or partitioning D > databases/tablespaces among lots of different LUNs to balance I/O. > I > I guess if I understood why someone felt the really needed a VTDPY-like J > tool (i.e., what problems do they need to solve with it), it might help.H > But to manage performance I've almost never actually needed that tool.   --  C Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY 0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or so  	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:59:04 +0100 + From: Rok Vidmar <Rok.Vidmar@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> ' Subject: Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE & Message-ID: <3ef2dae9$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>   David M Smith wrote:R > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:39:59 +0100, Rok Vidmar <Rok.Vidmar@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> wrote: > A >>write sys$output f$getqui("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NODE","*")   H   Help states "MANAGER_NODE" and "MANAGER_NODES" indeed does not produce	 an error.    > Try this sequence: > 0 > $ CLEAR_CONTEXT = F$GETQUI("CANCEL_OPERATION")9 > $ QMGR = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NAME","*") G > $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NODES",QMGR, -  > 	"FREEZE_CONTEXT") > CDSVRA,CDSVRB   ;   Well, I get * as the answer. I may even like it some day.    --   Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461 ; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464  Slovenia   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:33:42 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>' Subject: Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE 8 Message-ID: <9qd6fvk48nfgt17roc2erulq641t11ppg7@4ax.com>  O On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:33:00 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  wrote:  = >It's amazing how many interpretations of this have come out.  > E >The OP is asking for the equivalent of SHOW AUTOSTART (should return . >"Enabled" or "Not Enabled", in some variant).  I Aren't you referring to a completely different thread? What am I missing? I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:32:29 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>' Subject: Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE 8 Message-ID: <vhd6fvc6bcsqavc4mcdpgc19sqlkab1et5@4ax.com>  P On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:59:04 +0100, Rok Vidmar <Rok.Vidmar@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> wrote:   >David M Smith wrote: S >> On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:39:59 +0100, Rok Vidmar <Rok.Vidmar@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si> wrote:  >>  B >>>write sys$output f$getqui("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NODE","*") > I >  Help states "MANAGER_NODE" and "MANAGER_NODES" indeed does not produce 
 >an error.  N I agree -- the help file does have MANAGER_NODE listed as the argument. I usedG MANAGER_NODES because that's what I found in the $GETQUI system service O description (item code QUI$_MANAGER_NODES). You can/should report this to HP as 3 a documentation error, if you're inclined to do so.    >> Try this sequence:  >>  1 >> $ CLEAR_CONTEXT = F$GETQUI("CANCEL_OPERATION") : >> $ QMGR = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NAME","*")H >> $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_MANAGER","MANAGER_NODES",QMGR, - >> 	"FREEZE_CONTEXT")  >> CDSVRA,CDSVRB > < >  Well, I get * as the answer. I may even like it some day.  N "*" is a typical value in a homogenous cluster. In my case, the A node is muchM more powerful than the B node, so we list them explicitly in preferred order.   3 What do you mean by "I may even like it some day."? I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot com I Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:31:01 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?; Message-ID: <01KXB7LY2YGIAM67GX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > > On the other hand, you might try to delete a file before it has been= > > closed.  I believe 7.3-1 (or some new version) introduces  > >  > >    DELETE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK > L > Woudln't that just flag the file for delete, with the real delete occuring% > when you next run ana/disk/repair ?    No.    DELETE     file       /IGNORE   (           /IGNORE=INTERLOCK (Alpha only)  B        Allows you to mark a write-accessed file for deletion. ThisC        removes the file name entry, and the file is deleted when it #        is closed by the final user.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:56:47 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?) Message-ID: <3EF2AFF5.5ABBF33F@istop.com>   
 dooley wrote: < > If your program was compiled (ie. you are running an .exe)9 > then all files get closed when your program image exits   I If a program opens a file in executive or kernel mode, does that file get ? closed when the image exits or does the opened file linger on ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:54:34 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> @ Subject: Fortran compiler was (Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?), Message-ID: <3EF2BDBA.6070207@tg.nsw.gov.au>  
 dooley wrote:  [snips]   G > vms engineering could probably do it fairly quickly[1] for "core vms" I > however this is only a small percentage of the work involved to deliver  > working systems to end users. H > Unfortunately all the people who developed the compilers for vms/alpha > now work for intel > Phil8 > [1] quickly in software development is a relative term  E My understanding is that apart from the compilers that had gradually  G been done away with (e.g., Bliss now on the Freeware CD) or taken over  I by others (e.g., PL/1 to Tom Linden's people), the only things that were  F donated to Intel were the Fortran compiler and the CXML library.  All @ other compilers (C, C++, Pascal, Macro, Ada, ??) remain with HP.  G Fortran is essentially in maintenance mode on VMS -- at F77 on VAX and   at F95 on Alpha.  G  From what I have read on c.l.f, the DEC Fortran compilers have always  H had a very good reputation and CVF most be at least close to the top of  vendor's compilers on PCs.  C Not sure why CXML had to go over as Intel has always had their own  F optimised libraries for BLAs and LAPACK.  Perhaps they were after the G other juicy stuff that CXML contains.  It might have been an automatic  B follow-on from giving the compiler folks away, since CXML (though F previously licenced) has for the past several years been bundled into  the Fortran PCSI.   H Since our organisation has eschewed VMS (Gartner followers, and lack of G software), if/when the IA64 thingy (copyright J-F) comes into being we  G shall not be able to downgrade ourselves.  This means that we shall be  B using our Alphas for as long as possible and as far as Fortran is I concerned we shall be stuck in maintenance mode.  TRs are coming out for  F some of the F2K stuff, yet we shall never be able to use it.  I would I think that full F2K compilers will be out before the IA64 thingy, yet we  2 shall still be on the F95 standard Alpha compiler.   Regards, Paddy          G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:22:49 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> D Subject: Re: Fortran compiler was (Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron?); Message-ID: <01KXBDBVPONCAOKN0V@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I > Fortran is essentially in maintenance mode on VMS -- at F77 on VAX and   > at F95 on Alpha.  F The Fortran90 standard came out in 1991 or something, and ALPHA in in H 1992 or whatever.  There was a decision made not to develop a Fortran90 G compiler for the VAX.  I think this was a correct decision.  There are  H two types of Fortran people, those who do cutting-edge number crunching H and those running old, well tested code.  The former will of course use H the newest hardware and compiler techniques, so obviously Fortran90 and H ALPHA were a good match.  No serious number cruncher would use VAX when F ALPHA is available, so these guys don't care about Fortran90 on VAX.  G Folks with old code running a VAX at VMS 5.5-2 obviously don't want to  @ risk changing anything, so these guys wouldn't be interested in  Fortran90 for VAX either.   C It looks like Fortran2000 will actually appear only in 2005 or so,  H probably AFTER Itanium systems which are faster than the fastest ALPHAs G become available.  So here the corresponding argument against having a  F new Fortran standard on older hardware is even stronger.  Add to that I the fact that the lack of marketing etc has meant that academia---in the  F past a source of number crunchers using Fortran on DEC hardware---has 8 largely left DEC and the argument becomes even stronger.  I > Since our organisation has eschewed VMS (Gartner followers, and lack of H > software), if/when the IA64 thingy (copyright J-F) comes into being weH > shall not be able to downgrade ourselves.  This means that we shall beC > using our Alphas for as long as possible and as far as Fortran is J > concerned we shall be stuck in maintenance mode.  TRs are coming out forG > some of the F2K stuff, yet we shall never be able to use it.  I would J > think that full F2K compilers will be out before the IA64 thingy, yet we5 > shall still be on the F95 standard Alpha compiler.    H I would have thought so too, until recently, but it looks like F2K will + be a BIG change, even bigger than F77--F90!    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2003 02:10:50 -0700- From: norbert.hanowski@dillinger.de (Norbert) 0 Subject: FORTRAN-Debugger more than one session?= Message-ID: <6f378eb9.0306200110.56944021@posting.google.com>    Hi, A With my old VMS 6.3-H1 (on Alpha 1000) software I first started a C debugger session with my main programm and then i started a further D debugger-session after the command: CALL LIB$SPAWN ('@'//ProgNa//' ' ....D Now I am using the fortran debugger with VMS 7.3-1 ( on Alpha DS10).@ The first session runs but after the spawn the session hangs up. What can I do?       Norbert    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:52:40 GMT - From: "labadie" <tonari_no_tottoro@127.0.0.1> 4 Subject: Re: FORTRAN-Debugger more than one session?2 Message-ID: <IPAIa.3030$6e3.1412@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "Norbert" <norbert.hanowski@dillinger.de> wrote in message7 news:6f378eb9.0306200110.56944021@posting.google.com...  > Hi, C > With my old VMS 6.3-H1 (on Alpha 1000) software I first started a E > debugger session with my main programm and then i started a further F > debugger-session after the command: CALL LIB$SPAWN ('@'//ProgNa//' ' > ....F > Now I am using the fortran debugger with VMS 7.3-1 ( on Alpha DS10).B > The first session runs but after the spawn the session hangs up. > What can I do? >  >  > 	 > Norbert    post un 
 $ show system / to see if the process is in an intersting state 
 go to sda>@ and see what the process is doing, has opened, is waiting for...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:00:30 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron? ) Message-ID: <3EF278A5.83FCC472@istop.com>   
 dooley wrote: H > Unfortunately all the people who developed the compilers for vms/alpha > now work for intel  	 <shudder> C VMS could rely on Microsoft compilers if it were ported to the 8086  architecture :-)
 </shudder>  J It is a fair bet that if HP decides to port VMS to the 8086, it is becauseC Intel will have decided to focus on the 8086 and as a result, those K former-digits sold as slaves to Intel will be able to develop compilers for  the 64 bit version of the 8086.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:43:14 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>) Subject: Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron? 2 Message-ID: <mYFIa.3044$qu3.1673@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > dooley wrote:  > H >>Unfortunately all the people who developed the compilers for vms/alpha >>now work for intel >  >  > <shudder> E > VMS could rely on Microsoft compilers if it were ported to the 8086  > architecture :-) > </shudder> >   C Cool.  Can you point me to the Microsoft BLISS and MACRO compilers?      --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:17:59 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>) Subject: Re: HP to port VMS to Oopsteron? ) Message-ID: <3EF333B7.F08DA9C1@istop.com>    John Reagan wrote:E > Cool.  Can you point me to the Microsoft BLISS and MACRO compilers?     T Shirley Microsoft will come out with Visual BLiss and Visual Macro products ????????   :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:53:34 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!8 Message-ID: <cme6fvsqq4om022uvqusujbse64of3iqtp@4ax.com>  H On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:43:59 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:  
 >jlsue wrote: A >> I'm not sure why you're asking about hardware vs software....   > O >If a company considers storage to be "software" and a company has decided that J >its future lies with commodity hardware, then storage arrays would not be& >"strategic". I asked in that context.  E I don't agree with any of this.  As far as I'm concerned, you're just J projecting your own unhappiness with HP into the discussion.   We activelyI improve and market our storage products.  Period.  Hardware, software, it  doesn't matter.    > O >It would seem to me that HP is not very interested in software, except perhaps " >in hardware management software.   I Well, imho, we are also very interested in IT Service Management, and any & software that can help in that regard.   > I >In the wintel world, in which HP belongs, companies strive to remove any ? >competitive advantage to build the lowest priced commodity and 8 >undifferentiated hardware that runs commodity software.  J That is not entirely true for servers.  We do not build higher-end serversG with strictly "commodity" hardware.  We have substantial investment in, K imho, more "proprietary" firmware, drivers, controllers, etc. than what you 9 get in commodity.  Don't confuse the cpu with the server.    > I >In the case of storage arrays, would HP want to just assemble stuff from K >commodity hardware and software, or would it see it as a strategic move to M >build its own software to give its commodity hardware (disk drives etc) more " >value/features than competitors ?  C There is absolutely ZERO evidence of this anywhere.  It's just your I projections again.  While some of our storage hardware comes from outside K suppliers, we do quite a bit on all fronts to improve and provide value-add I to those components.  And we are still very active in our own, home-grown $ storage technology (e.g., MSA & EVA)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:42:07 +0100 ' From: Manuel Gottwa <m.gottwa@i-one.at> 4 Subject: Re: Installation problem with OpenVMS 7.3.1G Message-ID: <3ef2c92e$0$21620$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at>    Eric Bruno wrote:   D > Technically the 168LX boards are unsupported for OpenVMS. But haveF > worked with 7.2.  It just may not work. Tru64, Linux and FreeBSD allD > run with a problem. So it's most likely a hardware issue with someF > component most likely the SCSI controller since I have tried severalH > different hard disks and two different CD-ROM drives.  The common itemG > is the SCSI controller. The ethernet card is a tulip so should be ok   > there. > I > Looks like I am just going to have to get another box which is offical  E > supported list.  Island has some reburbished boxes and I will just   > keep an eye on e-bay.  >  > Thanks for your help.  >  >  > Thanks for help. >  > Charlie Hammond wrote: > K >> Eric, I do not see anything obvious from this.  My guess is that you are K >> running out of some resource that is causing the system to hang and also H >> blocking any indication of the problem.  But you probably guessed as  >> much. >>K >> Unless someone else has any suggestions, I sugest that you escalate this 0 >> formally through your normal support contact. >> >>H >> In article <3EEF78FD.60209@ebruno.org>, Eric Bruno <eric@ebruno.org> 
 >> writes: >>: >>> Here is last file lines of the output when it freezes: >>> I >>> %PCSI-I-DELFIL, deleted DKA0:[000000.PCSI$WRK26.][SYS.HELP]CDSA.HLP;1  >>> %PSCI-I-CREFILE, created  ? >>> DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON,][SYSLIB]CDSA$DAALPROXY_SHR.EXE;1  >>> %PSCI-I-CREFILE, created  @ >>> DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON,][SYSLIB]CDSA$DUMMYMULTI_SAR.ESW;1 >>> %PSCI-I-CREFILE, created  @ >>> DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON,][SYSLIB]CDSA$DUMMYMULTI_SAR.EXE;1 >>> %PSCI-I-CREFILE, created  ? >>> DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON,][SYSLIB]CDSA$EAYCSP300_SHR.EXE;1  >>>  >>>  >>> Charlie Hammond wrote: >>> 8 >>>> In article <3EEEA595.20407@ebruno.org>, Eric Bruno  >>>> <eric@ebruno.org> writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>3 >>>>> I have an Aspen Durango II (164LX) Alpha box. 3 >>>>> I am having problem installing OpenVMS 7.3.1.  >>>> >>>> >>>> ..  >>>> >>>>2 >>>>> The install starts and gets to 60% point and: >>>>> just freezes no message no response at the keyboard. >>>> >>>> >>>> ..  >>>> >>>>0 >>>>> Is there way to get log or trace info ...? >>>> >>>> >>>>	 >>>> Yes.  >>>>  >>>> Select the DCL option, then >>>>6 >>>>    $$$ DEFINE/SYSTEM AXPVMS$PCSI_LOG_TRACE "BOTH" >>>> and: >>>>    $$$ DEFINE/SYSTEM AXPVMS$PCSI_EXECUTE_VERIFY "YES" >>>>A >>>> LOGOUT from DCL to return to the main menu, then [re]do the   >>>> insallation >>>> or upgrade. >>>>F >>>> This will generate a *LOT* of output.  The last lines before the  >>>> "hang" J >>>> will give an indicatin of where exactly the process is "stuck".  CopyC >>>> them _exactly_ and post them -- 5-10 lines is probably enough.  >>>> >>>  >>>  >> >  hi  * i had the same problem with my ncr53c810a,B but then i used the adaptec-39160 and it worked without a problem.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:27:52 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> - Subject: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux? 2 Message-ID: <BB180587.9CF0%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  H I say HP still makes the best calculators in the world. Maybe they could return to that Core-Competency.      On 6/19/03 4:31 PM, in articleC 20030619233105.77662.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com, "Fabio Cardoso" ! <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:    > Well > 3 > HP may discontinue HP-UX, OVMS, etc... and return 2 > to be a printer business/services-only company !: > May be for HP, operating systems are not important... if, > they can have Linux for free for example ! > 	 > Regards  >  > FC   > / > --- Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote: @ >> it says here that its a rumor ... maybe Carly is smarter than >> we think! :)  >>  @ >> http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/18/HNsapfiorina_1.html >  >  > =====  > ========================== > F?bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > $ > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!?- > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!  > http://sbc.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:52:58 +0100  From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com Subject: Memo:  RantE Message-ID: <OF90EADCC0.090C841A-ON80256D4B.002F407D@systems.uk.hsbc>   J The ^^*^%% script kiddies aided and abetted by the amateurs in Redmond gotJ my laptop (AGAIN!) yesterday. You would think that anyone that could writeD a piece of code so good that it can defeat even low level disk checkK programs would have enough imagination to do something useful.  In the end, J the only recovery was to init the disk and start again - (*)&*&(()(. Yes II am NATted and Nortoned but not firewalled. Yes, My VMS machine is equally J exposed and no, it has never been breached.   If I ever catch one of theseI guys, he will have to learn to type with his nose if he wants to continue  his career.   ; There .... that feels better. Have a fine weekend everyone.    Paul          ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **   D ********************************************************************A This E-mail is confidential.  It may also be legally privileged.  D If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or @ use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, G please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender   immediately by return E-mail.   C Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure,   error or virus-free.  A The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions.   D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:08:19 -0400 8 From: Jim Agnew - VCU/MCV Neurosurgery <jpagnew@vcu.edu> Subject: Re: Memo:  Rant' Message-ID: <3EF32363.CA049E36@vcu.edu>    you have my sympathy...      paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:  > L > The ^^*^%% script kiddies aided and abetted by the amateurs in Redmond gotL > my laptop (AGAIN!) yesterday. You would think that anyone that could writeF > a piece of code so good that it can defeat even low level disk checkM > programs would have enough imagination to do something useful.  In the end, L > the only recovery was to init the disk and start again - (*)&*&(()(. Yes IK > am NATted and Nortoned but not firewalled. Yes, My VMS machine is equallynL > exposed and no, it has never been breached.   If I ever catch one of theseK > guys, he will have to learn to type with his nose if he wants to continueo
 > his career.  > = > There .... that feels better. Have a fine weekend everyone.n >  > Paul > ) > ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **  > F > ********************************************************************B > This E-mail is confidential.  It may also be legally privileged.E > If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose orpA > use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, H > please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender > immediately by return E-mail.t > D > Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure, > error or virus-free.C > The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions.P > F > ********************************************************************   -- RF "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:15:27 -0400l* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Memo:  Rant) Message-ID: <3EF3331F.A06890A1@istop.com>y   paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:e > L > The ^^*^%% script kiddies aided and abetted by the amateurs in Redmond got > my laptop (AGAIN!) yesterday.r  
 Buy a MAC.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:51:55 +0100o From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com3 Subject: Memo:  Re: EVA-5000 performance monitoringnE Message-ID: <OF4BC115BD.C80898E9-ON80256D4B.003B3D1F@systems.uk.hsbc>   H The only controller level stat I am interested is the cache usage and inJ simple terms is the most important one. These IO systems are very fast andI not in small part due to the speed of cache over disc but should you fillAI the cache up, your subsystem will drop back to disk speed. VTDPY allows a?J momentary glance at this but I need some mechanism to monitor it regularly3 and haven't found (within reason) a viable one yet.r   Paul          ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **A  D ********************************************************************A This E-mail is confidential.  It may also be legally privileged.  D If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or @ use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, G please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender   immediately by return E-mail.   C Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure,   error or virus-free. SA The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions.f  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:22:52 +0200 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware; Message-ID: <01KXB7CSGJHEAM67GX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>F  H >    I run Mozilla on a 3000/600 with 256MB all the time without hogging? >    memory.  I was running it on 64MB in that box and found it7 >    unworkable.  H I guess memory is memory regardless of platform, and 256 MB seems to be  enough.a  E What about the speed of Mozilla on the 3000/600?  Fine, usable, or a l pain?    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:22:38 GMTi' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> $ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware* Message-ID: <3EF2E067.80108@theblakes.com>  H In case people haven't heard, 1.4 is likely the last release of Mozilla G "the application suite". The major components are being separated into  ; Mozilla Browser (Firebird, born Phoenix), and Mozilla Mail  ? (Thunderbird). The smaller components and features will become 1G extensions which can be optionally installed on top of Mozilla Browser kH and Mozilla Mail. The result should be a leaner and meaner browser. See 5 http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html for more details.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:38:42 GMTi" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware0 Message-ID: <00A21A87.6F3893E7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <3EF2E067.80108@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:I >In case people haven't heard, 1.4 is likely the last release of Mozilla gH >"the application suite". The major components are being separated into < >Mozilla Browser (Firebird, born Phoenix), and Mozilla Mail @ >(Thunderbird). The smaller components and features will become H >extensions which can be optionally installed on top of Mozilla Browser I >and Mozilla Mail. The result should be a leaner and meaner browser. See o6 >http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html for more details.  ? ... but will this permit me to register at the HP /DSPP site???F --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo            g5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:33:57 +0200m$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware5 Message-ID: <bcva12$nj3fl$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>d  % On 19-Jun-2003 19:32, JF Mezei wrote:o  I > What is the relationship between Netscape and Mozilla ? I was under thelL > impression that Netscape had made its core source code public domain which > then became Mozilla. > K > If that is the case, what happened to cause Netscape which was not such a-; > resource hog to become such a resource hog with Mozilla ?3  @ Another similar question: What exactly is the difference betweenF (1) "Mozilla for OpenVMS. Contributed by the OpenVMS Engineering Group3 at HP", cf. <URL: http://www.mozilla.org/releases/>6 and9 (2) "CSWB for OpenVMS Alpha" ?  8 Just CSWB not including the mail/news client -- or more?   Michaelt   -- A  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. = And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:37:09 +0200o$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>! Subject: New AlphaServer DS15 ???n5 Message-ID: <bcva13$nj3fl$2@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>t  H The "AlphaServer DS15" is already included in the performance comparison table, available atl  J <URL: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_perf.html>  3 but it is not mentioned at the "AlphaServer" pages.k  3 Does anyone know details? QuickSpecs? Availability?i   Michaelr   -- o  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.a= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)X   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:30:16 GMTe( From: "Rob Boor" <robboor@nospam.nospam>1 Subject: Re: php_mysql module for mod_php in CSWSi2 Message-ID: <YmBIa.3033$793.2659@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,w  J can supply you a prebuilt image of  PHP_MYSQL, however this image has beenK compiled/linked against CSWS V1.3 (+ recent update) on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1e (TCPIP V5.3)) Drop me an e-mail if you're interested...o   regards,F     Rob Boor, OpenVMS Support SPecialist, Hewlett-Packard Netherlands. email:  robDOTboor@hpDOTcomo   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:19:27 -0400d. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>1 Subject: Re: php_mysql module for mod_php in CSWSs0 Message-ID: <E_CIa.129$oD6.4857@news.on.tac.net>  I YES I would love to have this module PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE as I have the. env you described.  / Also, how did you do this and if so can an IMAPA   send to jabraga@flanagan.cad  3 "Rob Boor" <robboor@nospam.nospam> wrote in messageh, news:YmBIa.3033$793.2659@news.cpqcorp.net... > Hi,  > L > can supply you a prebuilt image of  PHP_MYSQL, however this image has beenF > compiled/linked against CSWS V1.3 (+ recent update) on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 > (TCPIP V5.3)+ > Drop me an e-mail if you're interested...e >e
 > regards,H >     Rob Boor, OpenVMS Support SPecialist, Hewlett-Packard Netherlands. > email:  robDOTboor@hpDOTcoml >, >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:12:31 GMT/) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com>e1 Subject: Re: php_mysql module for mod_php in CSWSd2 Message-ID: <jDEIa.3038$2s3.1592@news.cpqcorp.net>  A "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org> wrote in message - news:JH48dHh+bVrf@eisner.encompasserve.org...eA > Does anyone have a php_mysql module for mod_php in Apache (CSWS' > 1.2) on Alpha VMS 7.3? > 3 > I just installed MySQL I got from the mirror site B > http://erebus.homeip.net/anonymous/kits/ and got it working, and@ > now I'd like to run a php script that fiddles with MySQL.  The? > php script runs fine until it hits the call to mysql_connect,c@ > which it says is an undefined function (and since I don't have/ > the php_mysql module in place I can see why).  >  > TIA, > Martye  L Our next release of CSWS_PHP will include a MySQL extension. That release isJ planned for late July or early August. In the meantime, you can build yourL own MySQL extension from sources, but you'll need the CSWS_PHP source kit toL do so. Rob Boor has posted an entry offering an image the built this way for you to use for the time being.  
 Rick Barry" Secure Web Server Development Team OpenVMS Systems Software Group Hewlett Packard Companyh
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2003 10:06:09 -0700# From: fernando.vallarino@oca.com.uy.% Subject: Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMIe= Message-ID: <5da5a1ff.0306200906.2694ff13@posting.google.com>o  \ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<19JUN200318230243@gerg.tamu.edu>...- > carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes... * > }fernando.vallarino@oca.com.uy writes... > }} eS > }}unsigned int CPUInterrupt,CPUKernel,CPUExec,CPUSuper,CPUUser,CPUCompat,CPUIdle;- > } F > }How certain are you that these are 32 bit ints and not 64 bit ints? > }  >  > Replying to my own post... > @ > I left a word out on the next line. It should say "Alpha VMS". > (They are 32 bits on a VAX.) > D > }The data in the structures in the VMS kernel that store this sortI > }of info are 64 bit ints ("unsigned __int64" and size = 8 in the ILE3).rB > }I would not be surprised if that was what the routine returned. > }  > }--- CarlR  = Carl, I've tried that, but the results were the same (all 0).    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2003 10:12:17 -0700# From: fernando.vallarino@oca.com.uyN% Subject: Re: Problems with SYS$GETRMIY= Message-ID: <5da5a1ff.0306200912.545c3e51@posting.google.com>   E > None of these RMI$_ codes are valid when used with SYS$GETRMI. See:m > N >   <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4527/4527pro_063.html#index_x_616> >  > for valid RMI_ codes.. >   J That's right, but the RMI$_LEF returns the exact number of process in that state.N What can I do to obtain the cpu usage with the codes defined in that document? Which of them?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:57:47 -0300:1 From: Rodman S. Regier <rsrNOSPAM@hfx.andara.com>f4 Subject: Re: PW V5.0F ECO 2 and VMS V7.3-1 resources8 Message-ID: <tsi5fvg4eive6ep3j39cf5kgfd5i5surmn@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:10:11 -0400, "Brad McCusker"t& <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> wrote:   >a@ >"Rodman S. Regier" <rregierNOSPAM@dymaxion.ca> wrote in message3 >news:7pouevk95ml4on1c4qob0prrd0cgkaqf8l@4ax.com...u@ >> I had Pathworks V5.0F ECO 2 w/XP patch working on V/A V7.1-2. >>G >> I had to upgrade the VMS node to V/A V7.3-1 to support new hardware.a >>G >> After the upgrade, I cannot get the Pathworks server to successfullypC >> start.  It complains about insufficient resources to support any  >> clients.- >>M >Hmmm... I thought I had heard of people using V7.3-1 and PW-V5, but I may be- >wrong.- > H >Regardless, can you get us anything more specific on the error you see?L >something that might lead to a hint of what is wrong?  How much memory doesM >this box have, maybe its got more available memory than we ever anticipated?<M >In admin/config, does V5 have that field to choose the %physical memory?  If0K >so, what might happen if you lower that to 50% or even less?  Essentially,i" >give it less memory to play with?    DS10-600 box has 1G+256M modules  1 Tried specifying 40% and 30 users to ADMIN/CONFIGe( (thus giving it 512M to calculate with).  
 Still no joy.   @ Error msg on start (after reboot for AUTOGEN from ADMIN/CONFIG):    $ @sys$startup:pwrk$startup.hold& PATHWORKS file server will use TCP/IP.1 PATHWORKS license server will use DECnet, TCP/IP.t, PATHWORKS mail notification will use DECnet.4 Process NETBIOS created with identification 00000262C Process PWRK$KNBDAEMON created with identification 00000265 Process"; PWRK$LICENSE_R created with identification 00000268 Process$3 PWRK$LICENSE_S created with identification 0000026B	  E@ %PWRK-F-NOCLIENTS, insufficient resources to support any clients= -PWRK-I-RECONFIG, use ADMIN/CONFIGURE to configure system for  PATHWORKS V5.0Fr  @ Here were the MODPARAMS.DAT additions generated by ADMIN/CONFIG:  > MIN_PROCSECTCNT = 40    ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> MIN_CHANNELCNT = 1308   ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> ADD_GBLPAGES = 9300     ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> MIN_GBLPAGES = 240455   ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> ADD_GBLSECTIONS = 59    ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> MIN_GBLSECTIONS = 766   ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> ADD_MAXPROCESSCNT = 12  ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003; 17:20:16 MIN_MAXPROCESSCNT = 105 ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMSb 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> ADD_NPAGEDYN = 15536    ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> ADD_PAGEDYN = 210144    ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16F MIN_VIRTUALPAGECNT = 41994      ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> MAX_WSMAX = 1807664     ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16> MIN_WSMAX = 11431       ! PATHWORKS V5 for OpenVMS 18-JUN-2003 17:20:16   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:27:07 +0500o& From: Valentin Likoum <me@privacy.net>B Subject: Re: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour?5 Message-ID: <bcu2f1$n946m$1@ID-184585.news.dfncis.de>b   Adrian Birkett wrote:- > All, > H > At the customers request, I have created the following raid sets using > swxcrmgr on an Alpha 4100u >     DRA0:    single 2GB JBOD >     DRA1:    4*2GB Raid-5- >     DRA2:    4*2GB Raid-5c >     DRA3:    3*2GB Raid-5y >     DRA4:    2*2GB Raid-5  > B > I have then started to initialize them. This is seemingly takingC > forever. At the time of writing this post, the procedure has been,F > running for 30 hours and the %age completions are 73, 23, 21, 31, 61 > respectively.  > H > Maybe I shouldn't have started them off at the same time, but I didn'tJ > expect it to take this long. Is this expected behaviour given the set-up > and sizes as stated above.  <    I got the same behaviour when used GUI-based swxcrmgr on 9 VT console. It used to update progress bar on every disk f= update or so, and it took ages on 9600 baud line. IIRC there l3 was special version of swxcrmgr for serial console.n   -- m
 Best regards, 
   Valentin)   valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot rui   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:55:46 +0100 ' From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com>rB Subject: Re: Raid array initialization - is this normal behaviour?' Message-ID: <3EF2CC12.54D87F77@csc.com>r   Dirk,)  P In answer to the question of 'why?', it's basically what the customer wanted. HeS wants a mirror image of the production system for DR purposes. I was just given thee details and set it up.  O It must be said though that this is the first time I have done this - I usuallyoQ steer clear of hardware stuff as I'm more of a software kind of chap. So it couldt$ be my interpretation of the request.   Thanks,y   Adee   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:22:03 +0200o8 From: Wolfgang Angenendt <angenendt@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de> Subject: SSH2 and X11 tunnel2 Message-ID: <3EF2C42B.2030601@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de>  
 Hello all,  E I've installed OpenVMS 7.3, TCP/IP 5.3 and the SSH for OpenVMS (EAK).o  I The help of the SSH command said, that I should be able to forward X11=20l connections withI the "+x" options, but it doesn't work. In the config files SSH2_CONFIG=20r and SSHD2_CONFIG@ the "ForwardX11" and "AllowX11Forwarding" are both set to "yes".  8 Is this option only an annoucement for the next release?   Thanks,o Wolfgang   --=20s> Wolfgang Angenendt                        Tel: (0208) 306 2132@ Max-Planck-Institut f=FCr Kohlenforschung   Fax: (0208) 306 2981I Abtl. Rechenzentrum                       <angenendt@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de>w Kaiser-Wilhelm-Platz 1 45470 M=FClheim an der Ruhrt   ------------------------------   Date: 20 JUN 2003 14:22:54 GMT2 From: karcher@kort.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)  Subject: Re: SSH2 and X11 tunnel4 Message-ID: <20JUN03.14225429@kort.waisman.wisc.edu>  P In a previous article, Wolfgang Angenendt <angenendt@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de> wrote:  G ->I've installed OpenVMS 7.3, TCP/IP 5.3 and the SSH for OpenVMS (EAK).n -> aK ->The help of the SSH command said, that I should be able to forward X11=20hH ->connections with the "+x" options, but it doesn't work. In the config : ->files SSH2_CONFIG and SSHD2_CONFIG the "ForwardX11" and - ->"AllowX11Forwarding" are both set to "yes".   3 The response from Leo Demers of HP on March 13 was:   F    Port Forwarding did not make it into the EAK and it's functionalityF    targeted at the SSH that ships with TCP/IP services for OpenVMS 5.4    that will ship with 7.3-2.s   See (will wrap):     http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=737978938ab91774&seekm=3e70b34e%241%40usenet01.boi.hp.com&frame=off   for the previous thread.  9 You can order the 7.3-2 field test kit for $46 (us). See:*  /   http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/732sdk.html    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 8 --                 karcher.nomorespXm@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:00:57 +0100s( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days) Message-ID: <3EF2BF39.BC7D2942@127.0.0.1>t   Richard Maher wrote: >  > Hi,n > , > And the London event was advertised where? >   C HP User group current and "slightly lapsed" members, as well as HP.   G I believe the user group brought in 3 times the number of registrations  as the HP registrations :o|t  @ It was in the events section of the user group web site as well.     -- d? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot comb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:50:12 +0200r$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>4 Subject: Re: Vienna and London Technical UPdate days5 Message-ID: <bcup5a$n9epn$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>s  * On 19-Jun-2003 23:41, Sue Skonetski wrote:  F > Each site will be posting the presentations and as soon as I get theB > information I will post it here.  The Carly video was part of myE > presentation and while it is short it is huge so I am not sure what  > the folks will do.  @ That should be quite simple (at least for people not knowing the% specifics of "HP OpenVMS marketing"):.   Make the two CDs0 - "OpenVMS at 25 - still exceeding expectations"B - "next generation AlphaServer systems" (part of the "Marvel kit"); publically available, even outside of North America ... :-)e   Michaels   -- .  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.m= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)T   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:15:21 +0200 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e Subject: Re: VMS Freeware CDs ; Message-ID: <01KXB73QSAZ6AM67GX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>.  H > A gzipped image backup with a published block size would be good. ThatH > way, someone could create their own CD, or just extract the files from > it.   H ZIPped.  Compression is just as good, but one can extract just a subset 3 of the files without decompressing the whole thing.-   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:17:26 +0200 (MET)d9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o Subject: Re: VMS Freeware CDs0; Message-ID: <01KXB75TX3HKAM67GX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>.  B > which is a 390MB zip of freeware50.bck ($zip "-V" freeware50.zip' > freeware50.bck) about 55% compressionu  I Is this with /LEVEL=9 compression?  For most folks, the save in download  I time due to better compression is much more important than the advantage  9 of faster decompression (if there is any such advantage).s   ------------------------------   Date: 20 JUN 2003 13:45:36 GMT2 From: karcher@kort.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)/ Subject: Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIRR4 Message-ID: <20JUN03.13453609@kort.waisman.wisc.edu>  I In a previous article, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:n  H ->...but [DFU] is unsupported. If it should trash your disk, you're SOL.  F I'd should point out that if ANAL/DISK/REPAIR trashes your disk you're9 still SOL (CSC is not going to recover the disk for you).e  F ->Probably o.k. for development system. For production, I'd stick with ->supported stuff.  B I certainly agree - I think you're saying ANAL/DISK/REPAIR is more" trustworthy since it is supported.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisonb8 --                 karcher.nomorespXm@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:56:44 -0400s From: norm.raphael@metso.com3 Subject: RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)0? Message-ID: <OF16FAD0F1.8F440BDE-ON85256D4B.005C9D49@metso.com>u  H It is used reflexively for emphasis as in the dictionary definition "fo= rc emphasis <I myself will go>"F As I hope I stated earlier, I myself would not use "me myself" in this case, but would just use "me."H As to diagraming it, my diagraming skills no longer extend to reflexive=  % pronouns if ever they did.  I can notbE diagram an appositive or a "parenthetical " either.  I asked a formerl$ English instructor and was told that; diagraming is not used much any more as a pedagogical tool.i    ; From:  "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> on 06/19/2003 12:12 PM0  / Please respond to "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>,   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:n  6 Subject:    RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)    C Yes, I understand that it is a reflexive pronoun, but it appears toME me to be used as a parenthetical, and therefore as a synonym for "me"d# How would you diagram the sentence?      >-----Original Message-----s= >From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]r& >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:56 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 >Subject: RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour) >  >  >- >Hi Tom, >a6 >I guess you missed the part about "no response."  :-) >r4 >Well, since you asked, "How would you syntactically/ >characterize (the parenthetical ?) "myself" in<# >the second form?", let me respond.R >H. >It is a reflexive pronoun added for emphasis.4 >IIRC "Caesar, himself, said...." ("Ipse dixit....") >C: >Another example would be:  "You may leave, but I, myself,
 >am staying."i >s. >So it is not "parantheical ?", but reflexive. >o >I hope that helped. > 	 >Regards,  >  >-Norm >-- >Confer http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary > >wherein it allows about his construct:  "Critics have frownedH >on these uses since about the turn of the century, probably unaware th= at >theyuA >serve a definite purpose. Users themselves are as unaware as theM >critics--they  >simply follow their instincts." >o3 >I, myself, of course side with the critics.  -N.R.e >  >Main Entry: my=B7self2 >Pronunciation: mI-'self, m&-, Southern also -'sef >Function: pronoun >Date: before 12th centuryH >1 : that identical one that is I -- used reflexively <I'm going to get=  
 >myself a new.H > suit>, for emphasis <I myself will go>, or in absolute constructions = <r	 >myself au0 >tourist, I nevertheless avoided other tourists>H >2 : my normal, healthy, or sane condition <didn't feel myself yesterda= y>H >usage Myself is often used where I or me might be expected: as subject=  <toC >wonder what myself will say -- Emily Dickinson> <others and myself 
 >continuedH >to press for the legislation>, after as, than, or like <an aversion to=   >paying suchH >people as myself to tutor> <was enough to make a better man than mysel= fs >quail>rH ><old-timers like myself>, and as object <now here you see myself with = theu >diver>tF ><for my wife and myself it was a happy time>. Such uses almost always occureH >when the speaker or writer is referring to himself or herself as an ob= ject
 >of discoursenH >rather than as a participant in discourse. The other reflexive persona= l,
 >pronouns are H >similarly but less frequently used in the same circumstances. Critics = have >frownedH >on these uses since about the turn of the century, probably unaware th= at >they serve H >a definite purpose. Users themselves are as unaware as the critics--th= ey >simplyt1 >follow their instincts. These uses are standard.  >n >and >o >Main Entry: ip=B7se dix=B7itO >Pronunciation: 'ip-sE-'dik-s&t  >Function: nounc% >Etymology: Latin, he himself said it  >Date: 15th centuryu# >: an assertion made but not provedo >l >r >s >  >r >  >  >v >  >u; >From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> on 06/19/2003 11:13 AM  > 0 >Please respond to "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> >) >To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- >cc: >e7 >Subject:    RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)m >t >@H >Maybe he needs to remind himself how to directly respond to his own se= lf : >-)2H >How would you syntactically characterize (the parenthetical ?) "myself= " in >the
 >second form?  >r >>-----Original Message-----> >>From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]' >>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:07 AM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come1 >>Subject: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)c >> >> >> >><peeve on>H >>Why did you find it necessary to repost the entire message with your = (as  >it " >>happens, inappropriate) comment?H >>Note:  This is a rhetorical question and, as such, requires no respon= se >>from anyone.
 >><peeve off>h >> >><editor hat on>p >>< >>"To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address"
 >>should readn9 >>"To reply to me directly, remove zulu from my address."r >>orA >>To reply to me, myself, directly, remove zulu from my address."o >>H >>The first is in this case, better, and the period at the end ends the=   >>complete thought.t >> >><editor hat off> >> >> >> >> >>D >>From:  "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> on 06/19/2003 09:53 AM >>8 >>Please respond to "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> >> >>To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>cc:  >>  >>Subject:    Re: [OT]    Humour >> >> >>LOL! >> >>-- >> >>OpenVMS 7.3-1, Oracle 8.1.7.4> >>	 >>Syltrem>J >>http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en fran=E7= ais): >>To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address >>H >>"HARANGOZO CSABA" <spameater@spam.invalid> a =E9crit dans le message = de >>H >>[remainder of message deleted to avoid additional wasted bandwidth an= dL
 >>storage] >> >> >> >> >>---P( >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003 >> >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.r; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003a >a >s >  >a >  >( >L >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.l; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003  >s ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003           =n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:03:08 -0700># From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>X3 Subject: RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)u9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGECNHHAA.tom@kednos.com>>   >-----Original Message----- = >From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]>$ >Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:57 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 >Subject: RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour) >- >1 >iI >It is used reflexively for emphasis as in the dictionary definition "foro >emphasis <I myself will go>"h  D I suppose thinking about these things is an occupational hazard from writing compilers.  H Maybe some grammarian could offer an expalnation, but the only way I can makeK sense of the above sentence is that "myself" is a parenthetical synonym for. me.J, Although, it might be a synonym for "alone".  L Note that in some forms of english "meself" is used which presumably derivesI from the (not compounded ) german mich selbst. It is interesting that the0K genetive and not the accusative form is used in constructing myself, unlike F german or scandinavian.  In any event, it is redundant and hardly adds	 emphasis.u  % hippo morte  (or something like that)f  G >As I hope I stated earlier, I myself would not use "me myself" in this  >case, but would just use "me." H >As to diagraming it, my diagraming skills no longer extend to reflexive& >pronouns if ever they did.  I can notF >diagram an appositive or a "parenthetical " either.  I asked a former% >English instructor and was told that < >diagraming is not used much any more as a pedagogical tool.  ( That may be because they don't know how.   >n >o< >From:  "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> on 06/19/2003 12:12 PM >=0 >Please respond to "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> >u >To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw >cc: >.7 >Subject:    RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)- >- >-D >Yes, I understand that it is a reflexive pronoun, but it appears toF >me to be used as a parenthetical, and therefore as a synonym for "me"$ >How would you diagram the sentence? >^ >s >>-----Original Message-----> >>From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]' >>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:56 AMi >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh5 >>Subject: RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)u >> >> >>	 >>Hi Tom,i >>7 >>I guess you missed the part about "no response."  :-)a >>5 >>Well, since you asked, "How would you syntacticallyN0 >>characterize (the parenthetical ?) "myself" in$ >>the second form?", let me respond. >>/ >>It is a reflexive pronoun added for emphasis.t5 >>IIRC "Caesar, himself, said...." ("Ipse dixit....")  >>; >>Another example would be:  "You may leave, but I, myself,e >>am staying." >>/ >>So it is not "parantheical ?", but reflexive.s >> >>I hope that helped.  >>
 >>Regards, >> >>-Norm* >>. >>Confer http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary? >>wherein it allows about his construct:  "Critics have frownedaJ >>on these uses since about the turn of the century, probably unaware that >>theyB >>serve a definite purpose. Users themselves are as unaware as the >>critics--they ! >>simply follow their instincts."e >>4 >>I, myself, of course side with the critics.  -N.R. >> >>Main Entry: myselfl3 >>Pronunciation: mI-'self, m&-, Southern also -'sef  >>Function: pronounf >>Date: before 12th century H >>1 : that identical one that is I -- used reflexively <I'm going to get >>myself a newI >> suit>, for emphasis <I myself will go>, or in absolute constructions < 
 >>myself a1 >>tourist, I nevertheless avoided other tourists>tJ >>2 : my normal, healthy, or sane condition <didn't feel myself yesterday>L >>usage Myself is often used where I or me might be expected: as subject <toD >>wonder what myself will say -- Emily Dickinson> <others and myself >>continued H >>to press for the legislation>, after as, than, or like <an aversion to
 >>paying such I >>people as myself to tutor> <was enough to make a better man than myself. >>quail>K >><old-timers like myself>, and as object <now here you see myself with theY >>diver>G >><for my wife and myself it was a happy time>. Such uses almost always  >occurL >>when the speaker or writer is referring to himself or herself as an object >>of discourseI >>rather than as a participant in discourse. The other reflexive personal  >>pronouns areL >>similarly but less frequently used in the same circumstances. Critics have	 >>frownedwJ >>on these uses since about the turn of the century, probably unaware that >>they serveJ >>a definite purpose. Users themselves are as unaware as the critics--they >>simply2 >>follow their instincts. These uses are standard. >> >>andn >> >>Main Entry: ipse dixit  >>Pronunciation: 'ip-sE-'dik-s&t >>Function: noun& >>Etymology: Latin, he himself said it >>Date: 15th century$ >>: an assertion made but not proved >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>< >>From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> on 06/19/2003 11:13 AM >>1 >>Please respond to "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  >> >>To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>cc:* >>8 >>Subject:    RE: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour) >> >>L >>Maybe he needs to remind himself how to directly respond to his own self : >>-)L >>How would you syntactically characterize (the parenthetical ?) "myself" in >>the  >>second form? >> >>>-----Original Message-----8? >>>From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]^( >>>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:07 AM >>>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 >>>Subject: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour) >>>- >>>- >>>-
 >>><peeve on> K >>>Why did you find it necessary to repost the entire message with your (as: >>it# >>>happens, inappropriate) comment?sJ >>>Note:  This is a rhetorical question and, as such, requires no response >>>from anyone.e >>><peeve off> >>>d >>><editor hat on> >>>n= >>>"To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address"v >>>should read: >>>"To reply to me directly, remove zulu from my address." >>>orfB >>>To reply to me, myself, directly, remove zulu from my address." >>>lH >>>The first is in this case, better, and the period at the end ends the >>>complete thought. >>>  >>><editor hat off>b >>>e >>>r >>>a >>>  >>> E >>>From:  "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> on 06/19/2003 09:53 AM* >>>*9 >>>Please respond to "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>e >>>. >>>To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come >>>cc: >>>a! >>>Subject:    Re: [OT]    Humourp >>>r >>>  >>>LOL!o >>>s >>>--a >>>   >>>OpenVMS 7.3-1, Oracle 8.1.7.4 >>>n
 >>>SyltremL >>>http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais); >>>To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address  >>>nH >>>"HARANGOZO CSABA" <spameater@spam.invalid> a crit dans le message de >>>tI >>>[remainder of message deleted to avoid additional wasted bandwidth and* >>>storage]* >>>* >>>* >>>* >>>  >>>---) >>>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.u= >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).dC >>>Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003g >>>  >>---C( >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---u( >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003 >> >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.:; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).:A >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003. >> >  >c >  >p >h >n >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.i; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003i >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:49:49 GMTr6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)I Subject: Re: [ENABLE AUTOSTART] How to determine the state of AUTOSTART ?m3 Message-ID: <h8yIa.27619$RM6.381085@news.chello.at>g  a In article <7pr3fvgr6s6stbas03b61ffh7hhk4f86fs@4ax.com>, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> writes:<Z >On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:37:05 GMT, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:C >>I try to reproduce a symptom I saw recently where a newly createdgH >>/AUTOSTART_ON=(node1::mumble,node2::mumble,node3::mumble) queue (whichE >>also was /STARTed) didn't autostart until I did a ENABLE AUTOSTART. O >>Strange thing was, AUTOSTART was already enabled on all nodes in the cluster.zF >>At least the other umpteenhundred autostart queues believed this ;-) >/L >I have fooled myself more than once in the case of an autostart queue whichO >refers to multiple node/devices as your post indicates. The Queue Manager willrO >always attempt to start the queue on the first node in the list which is "up",iN >node1:: in the case you cite. If you have not done ENABLE AUTOSTART /QUEUE onO >that node, then the queue won't start -- even if you have done it on node2 andl >node3. Is that possible?-  > Maybe. I never had thought of that. Time for some tests again.M But my first reaction is, that this should not never happen, because at leastlA one node is up and ENABLEd and so the queue must start instantly.s  O >                         Are you certain there were existing, active autostartw >queues running on node1?a  L How can I be sure ? All three nodes were up. ENABLE AUTOSTART is in startup.N But queues were, as far a I checked and remember, all served by one node only.G It was the first node booted. But most likely not the 1st node in every"J queues nodelist. If a node, which didn't serve a queue at this time, got a: DISABLE AUTOSTART by someones hand, how could I see this ?   Thanks   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialistr E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:01:51 -0400 & From: David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com>I Subject: Re: [ENABLE AUTOSTART] How to determine the state of AUTOSTART ? 8 Message-ID: <rpb6fv465hqrqlputtjjnk6ghuh54va0co@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:16:40 -0400, David M Smith <dsmit115@csc.com> wrote:,  C >>I try to reproduce a symptom I saw recently where a newly createdcH >>/AUTOSTART_ON=(node1::mumble,node2::mumble,node3::mumble) queue (whichE >>also was /STARTed) didn't autostart until I did a ENABLE AUTOSTART. O >>Strange thing was, AUTOSTART was already enabled on all nodes in the cluster.eF >>At least the other umpteenhundred autostart queues believed this ;-) >oL >I have fooled myself more than once in the case of an autostart queue whichO >refers to multiple node/devices as your post indicates. The Queue Manager willsO >always attempt to start the queue on the first node in the list which is "up",$N >node1:: in the case you cite. If you have not done ENABLE AUTOSTART /QUEUE onO >that node, then the queue won't start -- even if you have done it on node2 andaO >node3. Is that possible? Are you certain there were existing, active autostartd >queues running on node1?o  M After re-reading this and your reply, this sounds wrong to me. I can't easilyhL test it right now (don't have a non-production configuration handy to try itM on). It makes more sense that the Queue Manager would automatically start themP autostart queue on the first node which is a member of the cluster and which hasP executed ENABLE AUTOSTART /QUEUE -- otherwise, you could not boot such a clusterK from all nodes down state. So, I think I'm mis-remembering and mis-stating.r  O You would think that there must be a way to tell if ENABLE AUTOSTART /QUEUE hasa: been executed, but so far no one has told us how to do it!I -------------------------------------------------------------------------dI David M. Smith 302.391.8533                       dsmit115 at csc dot comPI Computer Sciences Corporation     (Opinions are those of the writer only) I -------------------------------------------------------------------------i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.340 ************************