1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 21 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 341       Contents: Re: Any ISP on VMS?  Re: Any ISP on VMS?  Re: Any ISP on VMS?  Re: Any ISP on VMS?  Re: Any ISP on VMS?  Re: Any ISP on VMS?  Re: Any ISP on VMS?  Re: Any ISP on VMS?  Re: Any ISP on VMS?  Re: Any ISP on VMS? % Re: Backup Software for VMS and Linux G Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June G Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June P Re: Date issue in Winnt /  win2000 in files from vms throug pathworks advanced s$ Decwindows: Fileview DCL window font7 Re: Download service for VMS and Tru64 layered products  Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE- Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?  Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux?/ Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! / Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too! " Re: lib$spawn and persona services( Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux?( RE: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux?( Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux?( Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux?( Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux?( Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux? Re: Memo:  Rant  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: Mozilla on old hardware  Re: New AlphaServer DS15 ??? Problem with SAN attached SDLT" Re: Problem with SAN attached SDLT< Re: Unexplained Connections to external servers on Port 6667 Re: VMS Freeware CDs Re: VMS Freeware CDs& Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIR* Re: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2003 13:10:26 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?3 Message-ID: <$mZ7hW39pSLV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   t In article <bcvhia$o2pcs$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  < > Because of some new work I will be doing I need to setup a= > small web site for myself. Since I'm a VMS type guy I would ; > rather find a ISP who can host my site on a VMS system. I @ > recall seeing someone post here before that their company does= > this but every key word I can think of has too many hits on 	 > Google.   B At least one company that formerly offered VMS web-hosting and wasD mentioned in comp.os.vms for that capability no longer does so after	 a buyout.   < > Is there anyone out there who can host a (currently small)@ > commercial site on a VMS machine. The site name will be in the= > .CA domain, and I would prefer dealing with a Canadian site > > just to make billings, payments and budgets easier, but that > is not 100% necessary.  B But it was not in Canada, and being in a state touching the border% does not help on financial issues :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:14:10 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>  Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?; Message-ID: <S9IIa.334$y24.4103190@news-text.cableinet.net>   L Try www.eurokom.ie based in Eire (Republic of Ireland). Predominantly e-mailK services, but also does web hosting. VMS based. Tom Wade is their technical 	 director.    --   Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin. ' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:49:24 -0500 . From: Larry Schuldt <lschuldt@Rudenessdls.net> Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?8 Message-ID: <ull6fv4d1nqlsrlp87ohn9ikcmu537csl1@4ax.com>  E Bill Farmer, the guy who markets the weatherduck in the US, also runs F a VMS based ISP. Try him at bfarmer@wcfa.com or call at (262) 662-4029 or (800) 854-0180.   larry  --  = To reply by e-mail, be polite. Rudeness will get you nowhere.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:06:31 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?5 Message-ID: <bcvlvq$njb5s$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>    Peter Weaver wrote: < > Because of some new work I will be doing I need to setup a= > small web site for myself. Since I'm a VMS type guy I would ; > rather find a ISP who can host my site on a VMS system. I  >...  > Wow, that was fast. Thanks to ALL of the responses both in the> newsgroup and via e-mail. I'm working out the details with one: person, but I'll keep the other names around if this falls through.   -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. ) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:45:07 +0400 2 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@StarLet.SPB.RU> Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?- Message-ID: <3EF35633.3000308@StarLet.SPB.RU>   	 Hi Peter,   , 	www.dls.net - is a site powered by OpenVMS.   	    Peter Weaver wrote: < > Because of some new work I will be doing I need to setup a= > small web site for myself. Since I'm a VMS type guy I would ; > rather find a ISP who can host my site on a VMS system. I @ > recall seeing someone post here before that their company does= > this but every key word I can think of has too many hits on 	 > Google.  > < > Is there anyone out there who can host a (currently small)@ > commercial site on a VMS machine. The site name will be in the= > .CA domain, and I would prefer dealing with a Canadian site > > just to make billings, payments and budgets easier, but that > is not 100% necessary. > 	 > Thanks.  >  > -- > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc. + > Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York  >  >  >      --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+2               Mobile: +7 (812) 116-3222/NMT/IMT-MCB     TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU0                  http://starlet.spb.ru/~laishev/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:20:47 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?) Message-ID: <3EF35E83.4B808106@istop.com>    Peter Weaver wrote: < > Because of some new work I will be doing I need to setup a > small web site for myself.    N Have you considered hosting it yourself ? The smaller ISPs (such as ISTOP ) doK allow servers and don't block ports etc, and you can get a fixed IP address M for something like $4 extra per month. (compared to the huge ripoffs from the K big guys like bell who think they can milk all commercial customers for all 0 their money simply because they are commercial).  K I've been with istop for about 1.5 months now, and I have slowly updated my M web server's config and will start to dust off my web pages and grow my site, J now that I can host it directly. (heck, i could do yours, depending on howP much traffic you need, how much software etc, but it is on a VAX, not an alpha).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:03:16 -0400 < From: "Carlc Internet Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com> Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?0 Message-ID: <9MJIa.42$n86.37875@news.uswest.net>  ; Yes... I DO... AND I'm in the USA.... We have Alpha powered < OpenVMS and Linux boxes running. Long live OpenVMS on 64bit!   Check out http://www.carlc.com/    Carl   -- ==================== http://www.carlc.com/   =       "Price, Performance, Quality. Choose any two you like." G "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message / news:bcvhia$o2pcs$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de... < > Because of some new work I will be doing I need to setup a= > small web site for myself. Since I'm a VMS type guy I would ; > rather find a ISP who can host my site on a VMS system. I @ > recall seeing someone post here before that their company does= > this but every key word I can think of has too many hits on 	 > Google.  > < > Is there anyone out there who can host a (currently small)@ > commercial site on a VMS machine. The site name will be in the= > .CA domain, and I would prefer dealing with a Canadian site > > just to make billings, payments and budgets easier, but that > is not 100% necessary. > 	 > Thanks.  >  > -- > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc. + > Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:46:21 +0400 2 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@StarLet.SPB.RU> Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?- Message-ID: <3EF3648D.3040701@StarLet.SPB.RU>    www.iron.net
 www.endor.com    Peter Weaver wrote: < > Because of some new work I will be doing I need to setup a= > small web site for myself. Since I'm a VMS type guy I would ; > rather find a ISP who can host my site on a VMS system. I @ > recall seeing someone post here before that their company does= > this but every key word I can think of has too many hits on 	 > Google.  > < > Is there anyone out there who can host a (currently small)@ > commercial site on a VMS machine. The site name will be in the= > .CA domain, and I would prefer dealing with a Canadian site > > just to make billings, payments and budgets easier, but that > is not 100% necessary. > 	 > Thanks.  >  > -- > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc. + > Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York  >  >  >      --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+2               Mobile: +7 (812) 116-3222/NMT/IMT-MCB     TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU0                  http://starlet.spb.ru/~laishev/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:50:17 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?* Message-ID: <3EF38199.30003@tsoft-inc.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:   < > Because of some new work I will be doing I need to setup a= > small web site for myself. Since I'm a VMS type guy I would ; > rather find a ISP who can host my site on a VMS system. I @ > recall seeing someone post here before that their company does= > this but every key word I can think of has too many hits on 	 > Google.  > < > Is there anyone out there who can host a (currently small)@ > commercial site on a VMS machine. The site name will be in the= > .CA domain, and I would prefer dealing with a Canadian site > > just to make billings, payments and budgets easier, but that > is not 100% necessary. > 	 > Thanks.  >  > -- > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc. + > Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York  >  >  >   * If he's still in that business, Mark Levy.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:20:02 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Any ISP on VMS?' Message-ID: <3EF3CEE2.4E2943F6@fsi.net>    David Froble wrote:  >  > Peter Weaver wrote:  > > > > Because of some new work I will be doing I need to setup a? > > small web site for myself. Since I'm a VMS type guy I would = > > rather find a ISP who can host my site on a VMS system. I B > > recall seeing someone post here before that their company does? > > this but every key word I can think of has too many hits on  > > Google.  > > > > > Is there anyone out there who can host a (currently small)B > > commercial site on a VMS machine. The site name will be in the? > > .CA domain, and I would prefer dealing with a Canadian site @ > > just to make billings, payments and budgets easier, but that > > is not 100% necessary. > >  > > Thanks.  > >  > > -- > > Peter Weaver# > > Weaver Consulting Services Inc. - > > Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York  > >  > >  > >  > , > If he's still in that business, Mark Levy.  B Mark sold FSInet to DLS some time back after an unfortunate event.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:01:03 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> . Subject: Re: Backup Software for VMS and Linux' Message-ID: <3EF3CA6F.13A07D6F@fsi.net>    Rob Young wrote: > [snip]B >         There is something inconsistent here.  Sounds to me likeF >         you have very expensive backup hardware and yet not a backup  >         solution for everyone.   Bingo!  C >         Do you actually have to get it to work with no additional B >         resources allocated?  If so, why or how did that happen?  ] > In article <3EF26F9E.1DF9BD43@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > [snip] Out here in+ > > the real world, however, ... We have to 9 > > live with what we have ... thrust upon us by clueless  > > management.   E Remember: we're already into the generations of upper management that D have never known anything but PCs and Micro$hit. They don't rememberA 80-columns cards, paper tape, disk packs, multi-port async. muxes E (DHV-11, DMF-32, etc.), 10GB storage arrays the size of a school bus,  ...    > ? > >>         Speaking of difficult, how does that DR drill work P > >>         when instead of TSM (or equivalent Enterprise Backup solution), youO > >>         have to have multiple different backup solutions at SunGuard to do  > >>         the DR drill? > >  > > Depends on your contract.  > > K > > In my experience, I can restore my system, start it up, run validation, L > > tear it down and wipe the disks - all before the UN*X-ers even get theirC > > restore server started so they can attempt their test/recovery.  > >  > K >         Yes, others have mentioned that and I believe it.  But what I was J >         getting at, short of an integrated single vendor solution, it isJ >         very difficult to coordinate multiple groups restoring disparateG >         servers with a number of differing backup products/solutions.   B See, my experience is the reverse. The time/expense of integratingH multiple, incompatible platforms into a common backup format tends to beD highly prohibitive. Of course, no one understands that until they'veD already flushed a couple of million dollars down the drain and still don't have a workable solution.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2003 11:27:27 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) P Subject: Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 June= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306201027.18d91bdf@posting.google.com>   [ JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<3EF2791D.775D680F@istop.com>... J > Will any of these 3 speakers make more than a passing reference to VMS ?  B Paul Dolan's group delivers the Disaster Tolerant Cluster ServicesA (DTCS) package that uses Itheon (formerly Heroix) tools and which B folks use to implement VMS-based disaster-tolerant clusters.  So I6 suspect there will be a lot about VMS in this seminar.  D HP also has solutions to achieve disaster tolerance on various otherD platforms, including HP-UX, Linux, Windows, NonStop, and Novell, and? this is good for customers who have multiple platforms in their C datacenter which they need to protect with DT.  VMS is the platform > with the easiest, most straight-forward implementation and the strongest support for DT, IMHO.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:04:53 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> P Subject: Re: Business Continuity / Disaster Tolerance Seminar in London, 25 JuneH Message-ID: <FNJIa.29875$111.16139@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0306201027.18d91bdf@posting.google.com... 7 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % news:<3EF2791D.775D680F@istop.com>... F > > Will any of these 3 speakers make more than a passing reference to VMS ?  > D > Paul Dolan's group delivers the Disaster Tolerant Cluster ServicesC > (DTCS) package that uses Itheon (formerly Heroix) tools and which D > folks use to implement VMS-based disaster-tolerant clusters.  So I8 > suspect there will be a lot about VMS in this seminar. > F > HP also has solutions to achieve disaster tolerance on various otherF > platforms, including HP-UX, Linux, Windows, NonStop, and Novell, andA > this is good for customers who have multiple platforms in their E > datacenter which they need to protect with DT.  VMS is the platform @ > with the easiest, most straight-forward implementation and the! > strongest support for DT, IMHO.     A Do you (HP) believe it enough to put that in a newspaper ad or ad / targeted at the IT and CEO/CTO/COO communities. C That's the litmus test of HP's belief in VMS and its suitability to @ sell to customers of all types (new or existing) in all sorts of industries.   C If you want to work with me on it over the weekend, I'm sure we can > have some good copy on carly's desk for her approval on Monday morning.   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Jun 2003 03:09:39 GMT) From: rankin@pactechdata.com (Pat Rankin) Y Subject: Re: Date issue in Winnt /  win2000 in files from vms throug pathworks advanced s / Message-ID: <20JUN200320093992@pactechdata.com>   6 In article <6JUN03.15435333@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>,\9  karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) writes...  [...] I > In summary the only way I'm aware of to make the Windows date match the H > VMS revision date is to remove the ACL that begins with "UNKNOWN=%X80"G > from the files. The only way I know of to do that is to use a utility H > that deletes the acl while taking extra steps to preserve the revisionI > date. I know of no such utility (either freeware or payware). If anyone  > else does please let me know.   E      You can use FILE for this.  It won't be an atomic operation, but ! you'll get the result you desire.   $ $ FILE /OUTPUT=oldinfo.tmp your_file $ SET SECURITY/blah your_file  $ @oldinfo.tmp $ DELETE oldinfo.tmp;   G FILE/OUTPUT generates a command procedure which contains a FILE command G capable of restoring the target file's current header information.  You E might want to prune the resulting command down to just revision date, E but that isn't strictly necessary when the intervening operation (ACL ? modification) doesn't impact any of the fields FILE deals with.   2                 Pat Rankin, rankin@pactechdata.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:54:54 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>- Subject: Decwindows: Fileview DCL window font ) Message-ID: <3EF36680.D19FEA2B@istop.com>   M Goal: to select a smaller font for the dcl windows opened by fileview (VAX).    N The fileview DCL window come up with some large italic font. (as does the sameN type of window that displays character cell output from x applications). AfterK using the SEARCH command for an oblique font specification ( -O-Normal ), I L have found nothing conclusive in either the decw$ executables, or the system defaults directory.   L I have also no idea what image runs the session manager on VAX. :-( ;-( :-(   M Normally, an application would have textual resource files ( *.dat) where one N can easily tailor the application's look and feel. But in this case, I am at aM loss to find out which resource file is being used. I do know that there is a N VUE$PROFILE.VUE$DAT which is an indexed file that contains the menu items, but no oblique font definitions.  H With DECterm, one can specify the exact fonts that are desired. But withM fileview DCL windows, where the <censored> can on define the desired font for  the window ????????    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:13:37 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> @ Subject: Re: Download service for VMS and Tru64 layered products' Message-ID: <3EF39521.3070001@MMaz.com>    warren sander wrote:  L >As a result of the feedback from comp.os.vms they have decided to allow FTP >access to the kits. >  >there are 2 ways to do this.. > 4 >1) via FTP command level etc  (browsing is allowed)= >2) via ftp://user:pass@www1.aclabs.com (browsing is allowed)  >    > ( What is the ACLABS.COM domain all about?   Registrant:  Ajilon LLC (IQXNOYSLCD)     40 Simon St.     Nashua, NH 03060     US    Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:05:57 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ' Subject: Re: F$GetQuI item MANAGER_NODE ' Message-ID: <3EF3CB95.9FB23EDE@fsi.net>    David M Smith wrote: > Q > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:33:00 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  > wrote: > ? > >It's amazing how many interpretations of this have come out.  > > G > >The OP is asking for the equivalent of SHOW AUTOSTART (should return 0 > >"Enabled" or "Not Enabled", in some variant). > 9 > Aren't you referring to a completely different thread?     Quite. My bad.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:57:45 +0100 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>6 Subject: Re: File lock by another user. How to delete?' Message-ID: <3EF37549.6090909@spam.com>   0 $ pipe sh dev/fil/nosys | sea sys$input <myfile>0 will show you which process has the file opened.! A stop/id=3DPID should fix it :-)    D.   Trygve Aspenes wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  >=20 >> Trygve Aspenes wrote: >>< >>> %DELETE-W-FILNOTDEL, error deleting <file this and that>5 >>> -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user  =2E./.. J > So it is not only the file that is locked? Is the process still running= ?=20 > I can not find it      --=20 - Didier Morandi sarl au capital de 8 000 euros                      Tout VMS-   19 chemin de la Butte 31400 Toulouse France /   T=E9l: 33(0)5 6120 1964 Fax: 33(0)5 6154 1928 &           http://www.didiermorandi.com                    RC en cours   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:47:15 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? ' Message-ID: <3EF356B3.4080700@MMaz.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:   > >it says here that its a rumor ... maybe Carly is smarter than
 >we think! :)  > > >http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/18/HNsapfiorina_1.html >  >    > & I fail to see how that is a positive.   I It was clearly announced by HP that Tru-64 was being dropped/merged with  D HP-UX.  Based on this article, there is no indication that HP would / reverse that decision and keep Tru-64 instead.    H So, if HP is willing to kill MPE, Tru-64, HP-UX, VMS only runs on Alpha G whose train is coming to an end, and the world still wonders about the  H multi-billion dollar blackhole called Itanium, this does not put VMS in D a strong position; The problem, or probability, of becoming another  single OS Processor!    This doesn't sound good to me...   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:04:26 -0700 & From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? / Message-ID: <vf78acdr7tthd9@corp.supernews.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:   ? > it says here that its a rumor ... maybe Carly is smarter than  > we think! :) > ? > http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/18/HNsapfiorina_1.html   = No, it doesn't. What is says is that Carly said there were no = plans to discontinue it, when questioned about it. No mention  of a rumor.   < Bob, this is some reporter trying to stir things up and make= a story. Believe me, HP isn't walking away from HP-UX anytime  soon.    --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:51:48 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? 2 Message-ID: <cLGcne8eWbe0MW6jXTWJkw@metrocast.net>  3 "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in message ) news:vf78acdr7tthd9@corp.supernews.com...  > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > A > > it says here that its a rumor ... maybe Carly is smarter than  > > we think! :) > > A > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/06/18/HNsapfiorina_1.html  > ? > No, it doesn't. What is says is that Carly said there were no ? > plans to discontinue it, when questioned about it. No mention 
 > of a rumor.  > > > Bob, this is some reporter trying to stir things up and make? > a story. Believe me, HP isn't walking away from HP-UX anytime  > soon.   G I don't doubt for a moment that *you* believe that, Greg.  And it would L certainly make a lot of people here (let alone those actually *in* the HP-UXK world) a lot more comfortable to believe it as well.  But that doesn't make  it true.  F It would indeed be insane for HP to walk away from HP-UX - but no moreF insane than Compaq's abandonment of Alpha was.  And when worries aboutI Alpha's future cropped up prior the the Alphacide, people made reassuring I statements in good conscience very much like the one you just made above.   J Proprietary software like HP-UX doesn't fit into the Carly/Curly vision ofI 'industry-standardness' any more than VMS does, or than Alpha and PA-RISC B hardware do:  rather, it's at best a necessary evil that should beC jettisoned as soon as it's feasible to do so and get fully onto the G Windows/Linux/Intel bandwagon.  And how Alpha got the axe provides some B insight into just how loose their definition of 'feasible' can be.  K Customers who want something other than Windows/Linux/Intel in their future K would be well-advised to consider looking for it elsewhere:  both Carly and J the team she acquired from Compaq have by their actions made it clear thatI they can't be trusted in other areas.  Don't forget that EV79 development J was radically scaled back (in schedule, in clock speed, and in cache size)H despite promises by both Compaq and HP to adhere to the 'plan of record'D that was established immediately after the Alphacide - when EV79 was= *created* as a sop to those upset about the EV8 cancellation.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:03:43 -0700 & From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? / Message-ID: <vf7bphopivemc8@corp.supernews.com>    Bill Todd wrote: > I > I don't doubt for a moment that *you* believe that, Greg.  And it would N > certainly make a lot of people here (let alone those actually *in* the HP-UXM > world) a lot more comfortable to believe it as well.  But that doesn't make 
 > it true.  G Bill - I *am* in the HP-UX world. Look me up on Google if you need some B data. I have worked with and for HP since 1990 and know a *lot* ofC people in the HP-UX labs, as well as BCS marketing. I know what I'm G talking about. You can choose not to believe it - that's your decision. ( But I know a lot more about than you do.   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:21:34 -0700 & From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? , Message-ID: <3EF3B31E.2020809@gregcagle.com>   Greg Cagle wrote:   * > But I know a lot more about than you do.  3 Er, I means "about it" - too much plane time today.    --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:38:13 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? 2 Message-ID: <0s6dnTaJVvGCWG6jXTWJiA@metrocast.net>  3 "Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in message ) news:vf7bphopivemc8@corp.supernews.com...  > Bill Todd wrote: > > K > > I don't doubt for a moment that *you* believe that, Greg.  And it would J > > certainly make a lot of people here (let alone those actually *in* the HP-UX J > > world) a lot more comfortable to believe it as well.  But that doesn't make > > it true. > # > Bill - I *am* in the HP-UX world.   E I never suggested you weren't:  my reference was to the people you're  talking to here.  &  Look me up on Google if you need someD > data. I have worked with and for HP since 1990 and know a *lot* ofE > people in the HP-UX labs, as well as BCS marketing. I know what I'm  > talking about.  H Just what do you suppose that the people in Spitbrook developing VMS andL Tru64, and the Alpha engineers themselves, would have told you about Alpha'sG future prior to June 25, 2001?  (That's a rhetorical question:  you can F *see* what they would have told you simply by digging up a copy of theI Heil/Lipcon letter guaranteeing, in detail, Alpha's long-term future that G was posted on Alpha's Web pages until a month after the Alphacide.)  Or L about Tru64's future prior to the merger-related decision to drop it?  Being< an insider is no guarantee whatsoever of knowing the future.  K The people making the *real* decisions about HP-UX's future are many of the K same ones who were involved, at Compaq and/or at HP, in the decisions about D Alpha and then Tru64.  They have a track record in such matters that2 arguably counts for more than your own beliefs do.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:30:47 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? ) Message-ID: <3EF3C335.40D64962@istop.com>    Greg Cagle wrote: I > Bill - I *am* in the HP-UX world. Look me up on Google if you need some D > data. I have worked with and for HP since 1990 and know a *lot* ofE > people in the HP-UX labs, as well as BCS marketing. I know what I'm  > talking about.  L And the ex-Digital at Compaq were saying the same thing about Alpha and wereK taken by surprise on June 25 2001 when Compaq, already in merger talks with & carly, announced it was killing Alpha.  I The issue here is of trust. We, the VMS customers, have been screwed many G times and have seen many promises broken. We have seen 2 companies fail I (Digital and then Compaq) because they cannabalised their own products in F favour of other people's products because it was "trendy thing to do".  J So pardon me if I am very weary of certain statements. "We have no plan toN abandon product X" translates to "we have no plans to grow it, and we may have> private plans to abandon it but we can't tell you about them".  M All Unix vendors are scared by Linux. Sun, HP and IBM all have to  decide how N Linux will fit in their product portfolio. Just like companies such as DigitalK and HP have allowed wintel crap to eat into their profitable product lines, I will HP allow Linux to progressively steal from HP-UX until HP-UX is made ( irrelevant (like what happened to VMS) ?  M With HP-UX stuck on an expensive proprietary IA64, will it be able to compete % against Linux on commodity hardware ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:43:37 -0700 & From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? / Message-ID: <vf7hkrs2katjcb@corp.supernews.com>    Bill Todd wrote:  J > Just what do you suppose that the people in Spitbrook developing VMS andN > Tru64, and the Alpha engineers themselves, would have told you about Alpha'sI > future prior to June 25, 2001?  (That's a rhetorical question:  you can H > *see* what they would have told you simply by digging up a copy of theK > Heil/Lipcon letter guaranteeing, in detail, Alpha's long-term future that I > was posted on Alpha's Web pages until a month after the Alphacide.)  Or N > about Tru64's future prior to the merger-related decision to drop it?  Being> > an insider is no guarantee whatsoever of knowing the future. > M > The people making the *real* decisions about HP-UX's future are many of the M > same ones who were involved, at Compaq and/or at HP, in the decisions about F > Alpha and then Tru64.  They have a track record in such matters that4 > arguably counts for more than your own beliefs do.  H Whatever. Why don't we check in in five years and see who was right 8^).   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:15:48 -0400V* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!) Message-ID: <3EF35D59.AF992AF0@istop.com>    jlsue wrote:E > There is absolutely ZERO evidence of this anywhere.  It's just yournK > projections again.  While some of our storage hardware comes from outsideJM > suppliers, we do quite a bit on all fronts to improve and provide value-add  > to those components.    K The issue is that I do  understand exactly what HP really means with any ofLJ its products since I know that HP's handling of VMS does not match what HPL would like us to believe. VMS is clearly not strategic. Are storage productsL strategic ?  *I* have no  idea because HP is too new to me and I don't trust Carly and her gang.p  H Furthermore, because of the image of Carly I have, I fear that carly canN change direction on a whim and take harsh decisions in order to appear to be aI good CEO in the eyes of the wall street casino.  (images of a catfight in A bikinis in a huge vat of jello between carly and martha stewart).   L So I have no idea whether storage products would be seen as strategic enoughM to warrant proprietary software and/or hardware or whether Carly would prefergF to ditch all her own assets and prefer to build someone else's storage  products with the HP logo on it.  M In other words, HP may have great storage products, but HP is not the type oftL company I would like to make long term decisions with because of the type of leadership of the company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:34:15 -0400e* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!2 Message-ID: <4QqdnZs0KMh2Fm6jXTWJkg@metrocast.net>  7 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message-# news:3EF35D59.AF992AF0@istop.com...-   ...-  L > In other words, HP may have great storage products, but HP is not the type ofK > company I would like to make long term decisions with because of the typec of > leadership of the company.  K HP actually does have some storage products which at least verge upon beingsI 'great'.  The real question is what it's doing in order to be in the same B position a few years hence.  Before acquiring Compaq HP had a veryF respectable storage group of its own, with the R&D area headed by JohnF Wilkes having produced some very interesting prototypes, some of whichL became interesting products.  According to an acquaintance who used to be inJ it that group was savaged 2 - 3 years ago, so they aren't likely to be the0 source of HP's storage leadership down the road.  L Does anyone happen to know what's happening to the the Compaq storage peopleK these days?  Richie left - and my impression is was encouraged to leave, asnL part of a general cut-back in senior people to save short-term cash - before the merger.u   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:55:35 -0700n& From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!/ Message-ID: <vf77ppk1h1l552@corp.supernews.com>    JF Mezei wrote:r4 > VMS is clearly not strategic. Are storage productsN > strategic ?  *I* have no  idea because HP is too new to me and I don't trust > Carly and her gang..  B Make no mistake - storage is getting a LOT of attention within the new HP.o  N > So I have no idea whether storage products would be seen as strategic enoughO > to warrant proprietary software and/or hardware or whether Carly would prefer-H > to ditch all her own assets and prefer to build someone else's storage" > products with the HP logo on it.  B FYI - the XP storage arrays (pm-HP products) are relabeled Hitachi? units and are enterprise-class SAN hardware, competing directlya= with EMC. They are very high end are not exactly what I wouldr call "commodity".l   -- 2
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:56:46 -0700-& From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!/ Message-ID: <vf77s0i5i9nt65@corp.supernews.com>A   Bill Todd wrote:  M > HP actually does have some storage products which at least verge upon beingaK > 'great'.  The real question is what it's doing in order to be in the samemD > position a few years hence.  Before acquiring Compaq HP had a veryH > respectable storage group of its own, with the R&D area headed by JohnH > Wilkes having produced some very interesting prototypes, some of whichN > became interesting products.  According to an acquaintance who used to be inL > it that group was savaged 2 - 3 years ago, so they aren't likely to be the2 > source of HP's storage leadership down the road.  G The people that did the pm-HP VA series arrays are pretty good IMHO andi the VA products aren't bad.> -- j
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:26:16 -0700p& From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!/ Message-ID: <vf7gkar9js2t9a@corp.supernews.com>I   JF Mezei wrote:   ) > OK, so let me reformulate the question:i > N > Is HP more likely to standardize on rebadged Hitachi (or other) products, orN > is it more likely to take the Digital heritage products and develop those as > is its own products ?u  H It's not clear at this point - a lot of that is still shaking out in the storage division.l   -- t
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:54:26 -0400a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>8 Subject: Re: IBM won't buy VMS ... has NIH syndrome too!) Message-ID: <3EF3BAB2.F123008E@istop.com>o   Greg Cagle wrote: D > FYI - the XP storage arrays (pm-HP products) are relabeled HitachiA > units and are enterprise-class SAN hardware, competing directly) > with EMC./  ' OK, so let me reformulate the question:b  L Is HP more likely to standardize on rebadged Hitachi (or other) products, orL is it more likely to take the Digital heritage products and develop those as is its own products ?.   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:21:16 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>+ Subject: Re: lib$spawn and persona services J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0306202218580.31110-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  " On 19 Jun 2003, David Jones wrote:  V >+In message <IMyCRsDj7GY6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: [...] , >+ (admittedly, finding the LNM$JOB_xxxxxxxx >+table name is a challenge).i    ?;  Depends of the way - IMHO TRNLNM of the LNM$JOB logical inp( process directory may be acceptable ? ;)    Regards - Gotfryd   -- mE =====================================================================sF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:56:23 GMTC6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux?83 Message-ID: <bVHIa.35174$RM6.488792@news.chello.at>   ` In article <BB180587.9CF0%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:I >I say HP still makes the best calculators in the world. Maybe they could/  >return to that Core-Competency.  0 RPN was my first annoyance with HP (about 1977). I had a lot since then...i   -- c Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialiste E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:37:57 -0700m# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s1 Subject: RE: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux?o9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEDAHHAA.tom@kednos.com>i   >-----Original Message-----e> >From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]% >Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:56 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 >Subject: Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux? >u >tA >In article <BB180587.9CF0%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron 0! ><JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes: J >>I say HP still makes the best calculators in the world. Maybe they could! >>return to that Core-Competency.  >-1 >RPN was my first annoyance with HP (about 1977).3 >I had a lot since then...  J I always liked stack machines.  When I used TI calculators, I thought theyF were brain-dead compared to HP, sort of like going from PL/I to C :~}    >e >--  >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER& >Network and OpenVMS system specialist >E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atsG >A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realistm >i >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).yA >Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003e >a --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:21:57 -0400s* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux?c) Message-ID: <3EF35EC9.E2565A06@istop.com>Y  K > >I say HP still makes the best calculators in the world. Maybe they coulda" > >return to that Core-Competency.  L Didn't HP stop making its calculators already ? Or has that been handed overE when HP spun off all its real products to some obscure Agilent name ?.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:10:23 GMT0# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e1 Subject: Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux??H Message-ID: <PSJIa.29878$111.13664@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message - news:bVHIa.35174$RM6.488792@news.chello.at...lA > In article <BB180587.9CF0%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron   <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:E > >I say HP still makes the best calculators in the world. Maybe theyh couldm" > >return to that Core-Competency. >e2 > RPN was my first annoyance with HP (about 1977). > I had a lot since then...c     What's algebraic logic???t   = signs are for wimps  :-)   John2 RPN user since the one before HP-45 (still in use)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:37:44 -0400h* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>1 Subject: Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux?o) Message-ID: <3EF37086.4CD8AB1E@istop.com>t   John Smith wrote: 4 > > RPN was my first annoyance with HP (about 1977). > > I had a lot since then...e >  > What's algebraic logic???x >  > = signs are for wimps  :-)  $ Postscript also uses RPN big time.     2 2 add   yields 4   12 2 2 add mul   yields 48   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:01:36 GMT0& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>1 Subject: Re: Long Live RPN. Was: HP to drop hpux??1 Message-ID: <AfNIa.3079$fO3.774@news.cpqcorp.net>   + JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote: B > Didn't HP stop making its calculators already ? Or has that beenD > handed over when HP spun off all its real products to some obscure > Agilent name ?   http://www.hp.com/calculators/  & And if you would like to purchase one:  ; http://www.shopping.hp.com/ follow "computers->calculators"   
 rick jones  < PS - there may be some problems accessing that URL from someF browsers.  I've already started notifying the folks in charge of thoseD pages.  I've accessed it OK with Mozilla, but not with Netscape 4.79@ on HP-UX. The hpshopping URL seems to work fine with Netscape...   -- g. a wide gulf separates "what if" from "if only"F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:06:20 GMTk+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)n Subject: Re: Memo:  Rant7 Message-ID: <w2IIa.2514$xg5.1888@twister.austin.rr.com>o   paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com wrote:M : I : The ^^*^%% script kiddies aided and abetted by the amateurs in Redmond -K : got my laptop (AGAIN!) yesterday. You would think that anyone that could .G : write a piece of code so good that it can defeat even low level disk -H : check programs would have enough imagination to do something useful.  G : In the end, the only recovery was to init the disk and start again - aK : (*)&*&(()(. Yes I am NATted and Nortoned but not firewalled. Yes, My VMS rH : machine is equally exposed and no, it has never been breached.   If I G : ever catch one of these guys, he will have to learn to type with his  * : nose if he wants to continue his career. : = : There .... that feels better. Have a fine weekend everyone.  : G Think of all of the neophyte computer users who plug their PC directly e into a cable or DSL modem:  .      http://project.honeynet.org/papers/stats/      Know Your Enemy: Statistict  F     "...A default Windows98 desktop was installed on October 31, 2000,E      with sharing enabled, the same configuration found in many homesuA      and organizations. The honeypot was compromised in less than G      twenty four hours. In the following three days it was successfullyt?      compromised another four times. This makes a total of five(3      successful attacks in less than four days...."   D Some of think think that an antivirus program will protect them from adware/spyware/malware:r  7      http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,994086,00.asp *      Spyware: It's Lurking on Your Machine  B They may wonder what happened to their browser's default home  and search page:  2      http://www.spywareinfo.com/articles/hijacked/      SpywareInfo > Hijacked!  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:19:35 GMTi6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware3 Message-ID: <XeIIa.35334$RM6.488792@news.chello.at>n  S In article <00A21A87.6F3893E7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:tU >In article <3EF2E067.80108@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes: J >>In case people haven't heard, 1.4 is likely the last release of Mozilla I >>"the application suite". The major components are being separated into  = >>Mozilla Browser (Firebird, born Phoenix), and Mozilla Mail lA >>(Thunderbird). The smaller components and features will become -I >>extensions which can be optionally installed on top of Mozilla Browser _J >>and Mozilla Mail. The result should be a leaner and meaner browser. See 7 >>http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html for more details.3  E Hopefully, that doesn't mean, that some components (like ChatZilla or@F Composer) loose support because of not suited for targeted VMS market.  F Having MOZILLA in one big app brought us these (or do you think demandD was so overwhelming that engineering had no other choice ;-) and now* I'm very afraid we loose them soon... SIGH  A >.... but will this permit me to register at the HP /DSPP site???a  F What is the problem ? Colin wrote he was able to register at the firstF attempt. Is is because you haven't enabled JavaScript ? If this is the3 problem, then Colin is the wrong tree to bark at...,  J If not, have you tried to delete your customization and start with a freshK install. I had a lot of strange errors over tha lst years which disappearedi this way...t   -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERi% Network and OpenVMS system specialistM E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:25:08 GMTi6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: Mozilla on old hardware3 Message-ID: <ocJIa.35942$RM6.499084@news.chello.at>r  \ In article <bcva12$nj3fl$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:& >On 19-Jun-2003 19:32, JF Mezei wrote:J >> What is the relationship between Netscape and Mozilla ? I was under theM >> impression that Netscape had made its core source code public domain whichi >> then became Mozilla.e  K No. MOZILLA was completely new and became (in variants) NETSCAPE V6 and V7. I But NETSCAPE built MOZILLA.ORG before MOZILLA came out (two years later).cD MOZILLA has or had more than NETSCAPE (like debugger, XUL inspector,> PopUp Blocker, Image Blocker, Plaintext tags in Mailnews, ...)D and NETSCAPE has more than MOZILLA (like NET2PHONE, Activation, ...)  F If you like, you can activate some (missing/disabled) MOZILLA featuresD in NETSCAPE again, with the help of a XPI program of a german fellow  ( 	http://www.holgermetzger.de/net6e.html   < I think it disables the annoying NETSCAPE activation also...  L >> If that is the case, what happened to cause Netscape which was not such a< >> resource hog to become such a resource hog with Mozilla ?  H I became totally rewritten for multiplattform support and more standardsH compliance. And I think, this goal was achieved. And MOZILLA gets better7 faster and more feature rich with every version so far.n  A >Another similar question: What exactly is the difference between-G >(1) "Mozilla for OpenVMS. Contributed by the OpenVMS Engineering Groupa4 >at HP", cf. <URL: http://www.mozilla.org/releases/> >and >(2) "CSWB for OpenVMS Alpha" ?w >s9 >Just CSWB not including the mail/news client -- or more?m  K No. CSWB (now called SWB, "C"OMPAQ is gone; I wonder if the product name oraJ the installation directory will change some time) is the supported versionL of MOZILLA done by the same people (Colin BLAKE and his fellows) and coveredJ by the VMS support contract. It is usually some versions behind (1.2.1 vs." 1.4B) and without debugger and QA.  % 	$ cswb		:==@SYS$COMMON:[CSWB]MOZILLAn* 	$ mozilla	:==@SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA]MOZILLA   -- n Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialistl E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:26:15 GMTi6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: New AlphaServer DS15 ???a3 Message-ID: <rdJIa.35955$RM6.501725@news.chello.at>   \ In article <bcva13$nj3fl$2@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:I >The "AlphaServer DS15" is already included in the performance comparison  >table, available at >eK ><URL: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_perf.html>l >i4 >but it is not mentioned at the "AlphaServer" pages. >m4 >Does anyone know details? QuickSpecs? Availability?  + Soon. VMS V7.3-2 adds support for the DS15..   -- @ Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERd% Network and OpenVMS system specialist- E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jun 2003 14:33:24 -07000 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)' Subject: Problem with SAN attached SDLTc= Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0306201333.72f24045@posting.google.com>e   Help!n  C     I have a cluster of ES40's (OVMS 7.3-1, with 7.3-1 Backup V0100xA patch applied) connected to an HP SAN (Brocade switches, HSG80's,eC etc.) and I use an MSL5026 mini-library connected to the SAN SwitchyE via an MDR FC/SCSI bridge.     I am not sure what version the Library - is at, however the SDLT is at F/W Version 46.e@      The Library/Robot functions fine.    The VMS INIT and MOUNTA command appear to work fine, however when I execute even the mosthB basic backup command VMS tells me that there are problems with the  label on the tape.   As follows;  ) MICKEY$SYSMGR>> robot load slot 3 drive 0s MICKEY$SYSMGR>> show dev mga  E Device                  Device           Error    Volume        Free d	 Trans Mnt E Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks0	 Count Cnt . $2$MGA2:      (MICKEY)  Online               1  " MICKEY$SYSMGR>> init $2$mga2: test" MICKEY$SYSMGR>> mount/for $2$mga2:4 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, TEST mounted on _$2$MGA2: (MICKEY)0 MICKEY$SYSMGR>> backup/log *.* $2$mga2:save1.bckB %BACKUP-W-MOUNTERR, volume 1 on _$2$MGA2 was not mounted because  * its label does not match the one requested    A       Has anyone seen a problem like this.     I have tried everybA qualifier that I thought might be related without any significantb success.  B      This was not a problem when the systems were first installed,D with OVMS 7.3 and Tape firmware Vers 45.    The upgrade to OVMS onlyC happened last week and the problem predated that (I was hoping that0A the VMS upgrade might resolve it.)     I have a suspicion that it D might have started a couple of months ago when the SDLT Firmware was1 upgraded to Version 46, although I can't be sure.N  & Any help would be gratefully received.   Dave Baxter.  :-(    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:22:31 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>z+ Subject: Re: Problem with SAN attached SDLTe' Message-ID: <3EF3CF77.F7995228@fsi.net>    Dave Baxter wrote: >  > Help!d > E >     I have a cluster of ES40's (OVMS 7.3-1, with 7.3-1 Backup V0100uC > patch applied) connected to an HP SAN (Brocade switches, HSG80's,-E > etc.) and I use an MSL5026 mini-library connected to the SAN SwitchfG > via an MDR FC/SCSI bridge.     I am not sure what version the Library / > is at, however the SDLT is at F/W Version 46.uB >      The Library/Robot functions fine.    The VMS INIT and MOUNTC > command appear to work fine, however when I execute even the most.D > basic backup command VMS tells me that there are problems with the" > label on the tape.   As follows; > + > MICKEY$SYSMGR>> robot load slot 3 drive 0  > MICKEY$SYSMGR>> show dev mga > F > Device                  Device           Error    Volume        Free > Trans MntdG > Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blockso > Count Cnt20 > $2$MGA2:      (MICKEY)  Online               1 > $ > MICKEY$SYSMGR>> init $2$mga2: test$ > MICKEY$SYSMGR>> mount/for $2$mga2:6 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, TEST mounted on _$2$MGA2: (MICKEY)2 > MICKEY$SYSMGR>> backup/log *.* $2$mga2:save1.bckB > %BACKUP-W-MOUNTERR, volume 1 on _$2$MGA2 was not mounted because, > its label does not match the one requested > C >       Has anyone seen a problem like this.     I have tried every C > qualifier that I thought might be related without any significantu
 > success.  F Add /IGNORE=LABEL. It's expecting to find a volume labelled SAVE1, but you have TEST MOUNTed.   -- i David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:46:18 -0500t, From: Bob Blunt <robert.blunt@hp.nospam.com>E Subject: Re: Unexplained Connections to external servers on Port 6667e* Message-ID: <3ef38534@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Jerry Nezlick wrote:G > Looking through firewall logs and found connections from port 1746 tonE > external servers on port 6667.  I believe this port is reserved forl > IRC. > H > Since we should not be running any IRC processes, I am concerned.  HasH > anyone heard about a VMS exploit that will exhibit this behavior?  CanH > there be a legitimate process making this connections?  Is there a VMSC > command that might help me look at processes and their associated: > ports? > 9 > I am a VMS novice and would appreciate any suggestions.a >  >  > Thanks....  G Yup, the destination is possibly an IRC server.  There are IRC clients dH of several types available for OpenVMS.  Maybe you should turn on image G mode accounting and look to see if you can identify one in particular. tG Possibly an image run from someone's home directory, maybe.  You might aH be able to check using your IP stack's utilities.  In the case of TCPIP  Services for OpenVMS:o   TCPIP SHOW DEVICEi  E Revealed that I had a stream device from a BG device at a particular yE socket with a desitination socket of 6667.  Once I got the BG device wC name, I was able to identify the process running the IRC client by eG displaying details with $ SHOW DEVICE BGnnnn:  From there, use the PID 1D of the process owning the BG device and get the name of the program F they're running.  I used, for simplicity, $ SHOW PROC/CONT/ID=pid and 2 got the image name from the bottom of the display.   bobv   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:31:24 -0400y, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: VMS Freeware CDs , Message-ID: <3ef373a6$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  9 I have moved the zip file to ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/openvmsi  K I tried re-zipping with -9 but only saved a few thousand blocks (about 4MB)o not worth it..    7 "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in messageo$ news:3ef22346@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > ok,mL > in the default anonymous ftp area on the server (h71000.www7.hp.com) there > are 2 new files: >v > freeware50.bck > = > which is a 809MB backup save set of all the freeware in thet [.freeware50...]0 > directory tree. Without the zip files that are@ > in the top of each directory which are that directory and it'sI > subdirectories zipped up (I figure you don't need 2 copies of the disk)d >e > andl >  > freeware50.zip >sB > which is a 390MB zip of freeware50.bck ($zip "-V" freeware50.zip' > freeware50.bck) about 55% compressione > I > enjoy.. If you really want I can shove them over onto ftp.hp.com so youP canoI > do ftp:// stuff.. csws and tcpip services don't like doing ftp:// stufft > 	 > -warrenr >a > --  L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 9 > Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM)oD > Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.com+ > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal:i! sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.com 0 > Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-48757 >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselfn, >          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvmsL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -h >c >t >  >s4 > "Bart Zorn" <Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl> wrote in message9 > news:a98cd882.0306190425.62d57567@posting.google.com... E > > A 'zip "-V" somefile.zip somefile.bck', where 'somefile.bck' is a ' > > backup save set would suit me best!d > >d > > Thanks!t > >p
 > > Bart ZornV > >s; > > "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in messagen* > news:<3ef0ce5d$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...G > > > if you all want a 'honking big' downloadable file of the freewareg cd(s)o > Iu > > > can do it.H > > > What format do you want (backup save set compressed w/spool?), zip file?  > > > 
 > > > -warren  > > >t	 > > > --   > >v >hL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -t= > > > Warren Sander                   WW E-Marketing (HP.COM)eH > > > Hewlett-Packard Company         Work:  warren.sander@remove.hp.com/ > > > 200 Forest Street MR01-3/K8     Personal: # > sander.ma.ultranet@remove.rcn.com 4 > > > Marlboro, MA 01752              (508) 467-4875; > > >    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself.0 > > >          Read http://www.hp.com/go/openvms > >n > L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -t > > >  > > >-4 > > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageI > > > news:7PNHa.129895$3Sm.40260@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  > > > >e4 > > > > <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message2 > > > > news:00A21860.36AE95A1@SendSpamHere.ORG...2 > > > > > In article <bcnfrr$roa$2@pcls4.std.com>,@ > > >  moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:D > > > > > >I can host files if necessary.  I have a DSL line with no transfer
 > > >  limit.@
 > > > > > >--  > > > > > >-Mike	 > > > > > L > > > > > FYI, I've had the freeware CDs V1 through V5 hosted at my site for > > >  somew! > > > > > time and I've got a T1.c > > > >p > > > >mI > > > > So all that's required is someplace to list your site, Michael's,e and ' > > > > others who are willing to host.  > > > >t > > > >e > > > >t >o >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:42:46 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: VMS Freeware CDsX' Message-ID: <3EF3C626.FB9096DB@fsi.net>:   warren sander wrote: > ; > I have moved the zip file to ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/openvmsu > M > I tried re-zipping with -9 but only saved a few thousand blocks (about 4MB)  > not worth it..  5 The default is /LEVEL=5 (-5), equivalent to DeflateN.k  
 Timesaver:H /LEVEL=8 (-8) will recognize non-compressibles and simply copy ("store")C them into the archive, rather than trying to compress them. This isA* probably best for most archive operations.   -- h David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:05:00 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>u/ Subject: Re: Volume Locking on ANAL/DISK/REPAIR ' Message-ID: <3EF3CB5C.FA34041B@fsi.net>a   Carl Karcher wrote:f > K > In a previous article, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  > J > ->...but [DFU] is unsupported. If it should trash your disk, you're SOL. > H > I'd should point out that if ANAL/DISK/REPAIR trashes your disk you're; > still SOL (CSC is not going to recover the disk for you).-  H ...but they might examine the wreckage and determine what failed so that3 a patch can be issued, if it wasn't (ab)user error.H   -- o David J. DachteraD dba DJE Systems9 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:44:33 -0400t* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>3 Subject: Re: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour) 1 Message-ID: <OFIIa.186$Gf3.824@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>h   Ahumm...   >>-----Original Message-----> >>From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]' >>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:07 AM 1 >>Subject: Why repost this? (was Re: [OT] Humour)  >> >><peeve on>J >>Why did you find it necessary to repost the entire message with your (as >itt" >>happens, inappropriate) comment?  J I should have removed the rest of the message. My apologies to those whose( network was negatively impacted by this.L As for the inappropriate comment, I think it was indeed appropriate. Some of those were really funny.A The comment was also as much (in)appropriate as the initial post.      >><editor hat on>b >>< >>"To reply to myself directly, remove zulu from my address"
 >>should readd9 >>"To reply to me directly, remove zulu from my address."  >>or  I I take good note of this. As I learned english on the street (and some atrJ the office) it is probably not as good as I would like it to be. My mother tongue is French.m  I I suggest that we close this thread, as it is completely OT and I will ben> leaving for vacation in a few hours. Have a good weekend all !  F (please note that I removed the unnecessary part of this message whichI consisted of  the whole thread, that a number of other posters left trailc of, in their replies). :-)s   --     OpenVMS 7.3-1, Oracle 8.1.7.4m   SyltremTI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)o4 To reply to me directly, remove zulu from my address   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.341 ************************ical question:  you can H > *see* what they would have told you simply by digging up a copy of theK > Heil/Lipcon letter guaranteeing, in detail, Alpha's long-term future that I > was posted on Alpha's Web pages until a month after the Alphacide.)  Or N > about Tru64's future prior to th_d           k
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