1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 26 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 349       Contents: Re: crash dump Re: EMC on VMS Re: EMC on VMSP Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and services companP Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and services companP Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and services companP Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and services compan Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux?" Re: lib$spawn and persona services Re: Memo:  Re:  Memo:  Rant\: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers Patches? Re: Patches? Re: Patches? Re: Portents of Itanium death  Re: Portents of Itanium death  problems with vms install # Re: PuTTY and SSH2 on OpenVMS - Not # Re: PuTTY and SSH2 on OpenVMS - Not 2 Re: SET HOST/LAT and cut and paste with DECwindows2 Re: SET HOST/LAT and cut and paste with DECwindows Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released Re: Slow FTP Gets. Fixed Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1 Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1 Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1 Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1 Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1 Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1 Re: TCPIP problem with 7.3-1 Re: TCPIP problem with 7.3-1 Re: Who can you trust, then?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 26 Jun 03 01:55:43 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: crash dump ) Message-ID: <XrTuQej8B2JT@elias.decus.ch>   w In article <bdakr9$vjk$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: 0 > MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel mode > # > What is a possible cause of this?  > I > One of my ALPHAs crashed on me.  I was 500 km away, logged in remotely.   I The hottest June in 250 years here. My car registered 34.5 degress C most G of the way home. It normally drops a couple of degrees from the initial , reading once I get it moving, but not today.  E Since we have been seeing Apple in the news this week with the "first G 64 bit desktop" (anyone want a 5 year old piccie of me running a 64 bit D desktop?), it is also time to say that Macs were shutting themselves" off yesterday because of the heat.  $ Time to look at the hardware specs:   5 Mac max operating temp: 35  (all models we looked at) % Alpha DS10 Mac max operating temp: 40    :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2003 13:33:22 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: Re: EMC on VMS = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306251233.23d37156@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<fOb1zqr1dXRL@eisner.encompasserve.org>...; > 	So if you want/need mini-merge, you use HSJ/HSD/HSZ kit.   F The HSZ uses the SCSI protocol to communicate with the host (as do theF HSG and EVA/HSZ, using SCSI-3 over Fibre Channel); the HSZ does not doD MSCP.  Mini-merges presently require MSCP controllers for the VolumeF Shadowing Assist known as Write History Logging, so this rules out the HSZ.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:05:49 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: EMC on VMS ' Message-ID: <3EFA711D.312F91EC@fsi.net>    Rob Young wrote: > ] > In article <3EF8FFFD.A2E8414C@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  >  > > A > >> Can you use shadowed EMC disks as system disks?  I.e., DSAx?  > > K > > EMC does not support certain SCSI operations necessary for full support L > > of HBVS. As I understand it, if a disk block were to go bad and the dataI > > be unrecoverable, VMS would be unable to write the forced error flag. K > > Therefore, HBVS would have no option other than to drop the member from H > > the shadow-set under a condition that would normally be recoverable. > >  > + >         Ye old READL and WRITEL thingy...  >  >         This is a non-issue.     Well, yes, it *IS* an issue.  H ...unless EMC has finally come up with a way to command the Symmetrix toG trigger TimeFinder (or whatever they call their snapshot services) from ' within an OpenVSM batch (backup) job...   H Also, remember that we have to stay with what Cerner supports, and rightF now, EMC ain't it. Primarily becuase Cerner's paradign is shadow-sets,
 not RAIDsets.   D Further, and because of that, you'll need something that can monitorD your shadow-sets and issue a warning when a member drops out, and/or puts it back in for you.  F Even further, if our Symmetrix is any indication, EMC is a still a bitG footprint-challenged. With our EMAs, we have over five times the amount B of storage in the same foot print as the server groups's Symmetrix array.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:27:33 -0700 3 From: Robert Klute <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> Y Subject: Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and services compan 8 Message-ID: <masjfvcrgjmu7rk1a9uitokr8i25j6aoqo@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:31:28 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy . <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   >norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >>  M >> But Rutledge said he doubts that HP would want to do a truly large deal so J >> soon after the Compaq merger. So that probably would rule out companiesM >> like the struggling EDS, which has an $11 billion market value, as well as F >> other major players in tech services, including Affiliated ComputerK >> Services ($6.4 billion market cap), Computer Sciences ($7.8 billion) and * >> Accenture ($16.8 billion market value).  E While I work for HP, I can guarantee you that neither Carly or anyone C else ever confides in me what the management of the company is even ? thinking about doing.  That said, here are some purely personal  assessments on the subject.   J >> Robert Cihra, an analyst with Fulcrum Global Partners, said HP would beN >> unlikely to buy a major application software company like PeopleSoft, whichJ >> sells products that help companies manage their customers, supplier andJ >> human resource functions. He doesn't own the stock and Fulcrum does not >> perform investment banking.  G HP could, I suppose, but that would definitely put major crimps in it's 5 relationships with Oracle and SAP.  Not a good thing.   J >> Storage software developer Legato Systems (LGTO) could be a fairly easyL >> deal for HP to do, according to Michael Mahoney, managing director of EGMM >> Capital, which runs a hedge fund focusing on technology, telecom and media ' >> companies. Legato would not comment.  >>   >>  F >> Mahoney pointed out that HP already is Legato's largest reseller ofG >> software so the companies are fairly familiar with each other. Plus, H >> Legato's market value is only $887 million. Legato was the subject ofL >> takeover rumors earlier this year. EMC, a competitor of HP in the storage& >> business, was the mentioned suitor.  H Legato is a money losing operation.  The majority of their revenue comes> from the licensing and support of NetWorker, which is a directE competitor of HP's OmniBack/DataProtector product.   SO, first, after F stripping away the redundant Networker product, HP would be paying bigF bucks to get a customer base, and some interesting products that don'tC make much revenue.  Second, unless the SEC sees HP as a savior from G chapter 11, I don't see that happening even with the Bush Laissez-Faire 	 policies.    >>   >>  K >> BEA Systems, which develops infrastructure software that helps companies N >> manage e-commerce capabilities, has been mentioned as a possible target forN >> HP as well. Rutledge said BEA (BEAS), which competes against IBM's softwareM >> division, could be a target since it has struggled as of late. The company L >> reported in May that its first quarter licensing revenue fell from a year >> ago.  >>   >>  M >> And despite the big tech rally, shares of BEA are down 4.5 percent year to J >> date. Still, BEA would be a bigger deal for HP to digest, with a marketG >> value of nearly $4.5 billion. BEA did not return a call for comment.   = With Sun and SunOne, IBM with WebSphere, and Microsoft hating F competition, who is BEA going to align with?  HP.  So why would HP buyE company that is committed by circumstance to it?  Especially after it  bought and killed BlueStone?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:47:06 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and services compan H Message-ID: <eVuKa.30358$bRt.14733@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "Robert Klute" <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> wrote in message2 news:masjfvcrgjmu7rk1a9uitokr8i25j6aoqo@4ax.com...; > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:31:28 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK  Consultancy 0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >   > >norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > >>A > >> But Rutledge said he doubts that HP would want to do a truly 
 large deal so B > >> soon after the Compaq merger. So that probably would rule out	 companies D > >> like the struggling EDS, which has an $11 billion market value,
 as well as? > >> other major players in tech services, including Affiliated  Computer@ > >> Services ($6.4 billion market cap), Computer Sciences ($7.8 billion) and, > >> Accenture ($16.8 billion market value). > @ > While I work for HP, I can guarantee you that neither Carly or anyoneE > else ever confides in me what the management of the company is even A > thinking about doing.  That said, here are some purely personal  > assessments on the subject.  > C > >> Robert Cihra, an analyst with Fulcrum Global Partners, said HP  would be> > >> unlikely to buy a major application software company like PeopleSoft, which ? > >> sells products that help companies manage their customers,  supplier andC > >> human resource functions. He doesn't own the stock and Fulcrum  does not  > >> perform investment banking. > D > HP could, I suppose, but that would definitely put major crimps in it's7 > relationships with Oracle and SAP.  Not a good thing.   D Absolutlely correct. If HP did that, Larry would kill Rdb and OracleD on VMS faster than you could say 'Sayonara' (the name of his yacht).@ Goodbye $2-4B annual VMS sales, goodbye $500-800MM in VMS annual3 profits (depending upon whose numbers you believe).   A And while we're on it.....HP, and VMS specifically, is hostage to F Oracle for without the last remaining major commercial relational dbmsF available on VMS, VMS's goose is well and truly cooked. MySQL is nice, but it isn't Oracle or Rdb.           @ > >> Storage software developer Legato Systems (LGTO) could be a fairly easy > > >> deal for HP to do, according to Michael Mahoney, managing director of EGM E > >> Capital, which runs a hedge fund focusing on technology, telecom 	 and media ) > >> companies. Legato would not comment.  > >> > >>E > >> Mahoney pointed out that HP already is Legato's largest reseller  ofC > >> software so the companies are fairly familiar with each other.  Plus, ? > >> Legato's market value is only $887 million. Legato was the 
 subject ofF > >> takeover rumors earlier this year. EMC, a competitor of HP in the storage ( > >> business, was the mentioned suitor. > D > Legato is a money losing operation.  The majority of their revenue comes @ > from the licensing and support of NetWorker, which is a directA > competitor of HP's OmniBack/DataProtector product.   SO, first,  after D > stripping away the redundant Networker product, HP would be paying big B > bucks to get a customer base, and some interesting products that don't E > make much revenue.  Second, unless the SEC sees HP as a savior from ; > chapter 11, I don't see that happening even with the Bush 
 Laissez-Faire  > policies.  >  > >> > >>C > >> BEA Systems, which develops infrastructure software that helps 	 companies E > >> manage e-commerce capabilities, has been mentioned as a possible 
 target forA > >> HP as well. Rutledge said BEA (BEAS), which competes against  IBM's softwareC > >> division, could be a target since it has struggled as of late.  The company B > >> reported in May that its first quarter licensing revenue fell from a year 	 > >> ago.  > >> > >>? > >> And despite the big tech rally, shares of BEA are down 4.5  percent year to E > >> date. Still, BEA would be a bigger deal for HP to digest, with a  market@ > >> value of nearly $4.5 billion. BEA did not return a call for comment.  F Why would HP want to buy back all the software they recently 'gave' toA BEA, not to mention stuff Digital/Compaq 'gave away' as having no  strategic value?     > ? > With Sun and SunOne, IBM with WebSphere, and Microsoft hating D > competition, who is BEA going to align with?  HP.  So why would HP buy D > company that is committed by circumstance to it?  Especially after it > bought and killed BlueStone? >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:47:55 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and services compan ) Message-ID: <3EF9FC61.B1BE141B@istop.com>    John Smith wrote:  > E > I think buying an advertising agency that has a clue would be money  > better spent.   M No. HP can do well in advertising for the stuff it wants to advertise. Having F the best advertising firm in the world wouldn't change anything if the/ decision at the top is made to keep VMS secret.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:43:26 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and services compan ) Message-ID: <3EF9FB54.847D2ACB@istop.com>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >  > Is HP going shopping? J > Hewlett-Packard is said to be interested in buying software and services > companies.  K Reminds me of Capellas "will re-engineer Compaq in 180 days" which included N exactlty that plan. Turned out that Capellas wasn't seeking to buy, buy rather seeking to be bought.   / Problem is that there is nobody left to buy HP.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:40:49 -0700 & From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? / Message-ID: <vfjr7mgpnd3e5d@corp.supernews.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    > Greg Cagle wrote:  > A >>for a minute. They don't have a *choice*. HP-UX serves a market = >>that can't be served with any other HP product. There is no @ >>other enterprise-class Unix operating system in HP's portfolio >>to compete with Sun. >  > O > "At the moment". But what if Carly and Company have decided that HP-UX is not O > a long term solution and that it will be replaced/superceded by Linux, and as : > a result, are beginning a long trem migration strategy ?  G They can't decide that until the technology is there. It isn't there on G Linux currently, and since HP doesn't control Linux kernel development, G they can't plan for it. I'm specifically talking about large MP support > in the standard kernel. It's JUST NOW getting into the kernel.   <snip>  < >>HP-UX or Solaris or AIX. *This* is why HP won't be walking  >>away from HP-UX any time soon. >  > P > There is no question that HP won't stop supporting HP-UX. And HP seems to have? > no problem mentioning HP-UX in their announcements/marketing.  > M > The issue is is that in the long term, does HP really plan on spending much N > development money to keep the proprietary HP-UX ahead of the others, or willN > it decide it can save much money by simply focusing on Linux and adding some8 > proprietary add-ons that make it run on its big iron ?  C That would require a different kernel, ala SGI. HP does not want to 1 diverge that far from the mainstream development.   K > I find it so interesting that HP defenders are so quick to point to IBM's F > AIX-vs-Linux struggle, and to Sun Solaris-vs-Linux and Sprac-vs-8086P > struggles, but fail to see any such struggle at HP between HP-UX and Linux and > between HP-UX and Windows.  B That's because there isn't one. They coexist; different things for different market segments.   --  
 Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:20:15 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? ) Message-ID: <3EF9E7DA.79B1FA1F@istop.com>    Greg Cagle wrote: A > for a minute. They don't have a *choice*. HP-UX serves a market = > that can't be served with any other HP product. There is no @ > other enterprise-class Unix operating system in HP's portfolio > to compete with Sun.  M "At the moment". But what if Carly and Company have decided that HP-UX is not M a long term solution and that it will be replaced/superceded by Linux, and as 8 a result, are beginning a long trem migration strategy ?  I Consider what Bob GQ Palmer had done to Digital, deciding that Windows-NT M would rule the world, and as a result proceeded to cannabalise VMS as soon as M possible, killing Digital because he mutilated VMS years before NT could even  be taken seriously.   M What if Carly has been coerced into thinking Windows and Linux will take over K the world and "proprietary" systems like HP-UX and Solaris have no place in  the longer term ?   L The folks like Carly, Culry and Palmer seem to be easily influenced by tradeK rags and it becomes a self-feeding frienzie with the trade rags influencing , Carly and Carly then influencing trade-rags.    < > HP-UX or Solaris or AIX. *This* is why HP won't be walking  > away from HP-UX any time soon.  N There is no question that HP won't stop supporting HP-UX. And HP seems to have= no problem mentioning HP-UX in their announcements/marketing.   K The issue is is that in the long term, does HP really plan on spending much L development money to keep the proprietary HP-UX ahead of the others, or willL it decide it can save much money by simply focusing on Linux and adding some6 proprietary add-ons that make it run on its big iron ?  I I find it so interesting that HP defenders are so quick to point to IBM's D AIX-vs-Linux struggle, and to Sun Solaris-vs-Linux and Sprac-vs-8086N struggles, but fail to see any such struggle at HP between HP-UX and Linux and between HP-UX and Windows.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2003 16:37:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? 3 Message-ID: <muA9zOnxepzO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3EF9E7DA.79B1FA1F@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:O > What if Carly has been coerced into thinking Windows and Linux will take over M > the world and "proprietary" systems like HP-UX and Solaris have no place in  > the longer term ?   H    Then she's been reading only those Gartner reports which make HP look    bad.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:59:32 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? ) Message-ID: <3EFA617A.54E9661A@istop.com>    Greg Cagle wrote: I > They can't decide that until the technology is there. It isn't there on I > Linux currently, and since HP doesn't control Linux kernel development, I > they can't plan for it. I'm specifically talking about large MP support @ > in the standard kernel. It's JUST NOW getting into the kernel.  J Compaq started to kill Alpha years ago well before IA64 was a commerciallyN viable entity (which it isn't yet). They officially announced its murder a fewB years later, still years ahead of IA64 being commericially viable.  K If Carly decides that the future lies with Linux, you can rest assured that N she will work to make Linux progress at a faster rate than HP-UX so that Linux eventually catches up.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2003 14:17:05 -07005 From: forrest.cahoon@merrillcorp.com (Forrest Cahoon) + Subject: Re: lib$spawn and persona services = Message-ID: <8369d643.0306251317.7b8764f3@posting.google.com>   s JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) wrote in message news:<bdb5t3$f81$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>... ? > In message <8369d643.0306240851.64ed017b@posting.google.com>, ; >   forrest.cahoon@merrillcorp.com (Forrest Cahoon) writes: G > >I'm getting somewhere with this approach, but I can't figure out how I > >to add rights with ISS$_ADD_RIGHTS successfully.  The documentation is  > >incredibly vague on this. > H > I believe your item list must also specify an ISS$_ENABLED item with aD > mask of ISS$M_ENABLED_PERSONA to actually make the process use the > per-persona rights.  > F > >There are pairs of longs identified as (Id value / Id flags) for asH > >many identifiers as you want to add.  The "Id value" should certainlyG > >be the binary value returned by sys$asctoid(), but what the heck are F > >"Id flags"? I have no idea where the heck to find that information. > M > Look at the docs for SYS$GRANTID().  Using 0 is suffcient for simple access 	 > checks.  >  > >Has anyone usedI > >sys$persona_create with the ISS$_ADD_RIGHTS itmlst entry successfully?  >  > Yes.  E Thanks; I've got it working now.  One of the things that threw me was 9 that a value of 0 for the flags didn't work; that gave me F %SYSTEM-F-IVIDENT.  I ended up using KGB$M_DYNAMIC, even though that's irrelevant for my purpose.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jun 03 01:43:48 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) % Subject: Re: Memo:  Re:  Memo:  Rant\ ) Message-ID: <g37xqznmdKwU@elias.decus.ch>   d In article <OF37958C28.B2D127D0-ON80256D4F.0045311B@systems.uk.hsbc>, paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com writes: >  > Paul > H > Thanks for the link to Hunter's page (and more to the point, thanks to
 > Hunter). > 
 No prolem.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:10:00 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>C Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers 2 Message-ID: <9GGdnflE9bcMbmSjXTWJkw@metrocast.net>  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message # news:3EF9A4AB.621D600F@127.0.0.1...  > "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:  > > 7 > > In article <3SjOeVJHmodG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: B > > >In article <cf15391e.0306241435.68e51a8c@posting.google.com>,3 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:  > > >>) > > >> See http://www.hpbusinessview.com/  > > >>I > > >> And to save you the trouble, yes, OpenVMS is indeed mentioned. :-)  > > > F > > >  OK, I'll byte:  where?  I looked at several of the links that IE > > >  thought could mention it and didn't find it: RoIT, Technology,  Legacy, . > > >  Mission Critical, Enterprize Solutions. > > J > > Use the built-in search function on the page; it retrieves on article, which  > > *does* mention OpenVMS.  > % > ... and Tru64 in the same sentence.  > . > Searching on Tru64 gets two article matches. > 1 > Searching on Windows gets four article matches.  >  > HP-UX has no matches.  > J > The phrase "a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on9 > the door saying beware of the leopard" springs to mind.   3 Shhhh!  That location is supposed to remain secret.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2003 16:29:11 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) C Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers 3 Message-ID: <H27Z$I7dvL9K@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <c3hKa.14453$Bg.8795@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:   N > Use the built-in search function on the page; it retrieves on article, which > *does* mention OpenVMS.   F    I can find lots of VMS references from lots of HP site if I'm usingC    the search functions.  I'm just wondering what the reference was +    for claiming it's mentioned on the site?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:13:22 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)C Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers - Message-ID: <CUqKa.19073$XG4.14548@rwcrnsc53>   q In article <H27Z$I7dvL9K@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: c >In article <c3hKa.14453$Bg.8795@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:  > O >> Use the built-in search function on the page; it retrieves on article, which  >> *does* mention OpenVMS. > G >   I can find lots of VMS references from lots of HP site if I'm using D >   the search functions.  I'm just wondering what the reference was, >   for claiming it's mentioned on the site? >   H This link, entitled "The Bigger the System, the Better the Performance":  ? http://www.hpbusinessview.com/index.cfm?view=watch.story&aid=60   A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"= bMradAhamiPltSon-at-atMtAbi.cPoSm	"Lose the MAPS, and replace  					'-at-' with @"    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 04:39:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> C Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers H Message-ID: <MNuKa.30235$bRt.16042@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  A "Bradford J. Hamilton" <brad@.gateway.2wire.net> wrote in message ' news:CUqKa.19073$XG4.14548@rwcrnsc53... 5 > In article <H27Z$I7dvL9K@eisner.encompasserve.org>, = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: F > >In article <c3hKa.14453$Bg.8795@rwcrnsc54>, brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: > > B > >> Use the built-in search function on the page; it retrieves on article, which > >> *does* mention OpenVMS. > > C > >   I can find lots of VMS references from lots of HP site if I'm  using F > >   the search functions.  I'm just wondering what the reference was. > >   for claiming it's mentioned on the site? > >  > < > This link, entitled "The Bigger the System, the Better the
 Performance":  > A > http://www.hpbusinessview.com/index.cfm?view=watch.story&aid=60     C I get email with subject lines like that all the time ;-)  but they $ are automatically filtered to Trash.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:35:59 GMT ( From: "Amy Lewis" <amylewis@pacbell.net> Subject: Patches? @ Message-ID: <jYlKa.1130$pn.173688948@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>   Hi all,   I Where would I go to find out what patches I don't have yet that I should?    a.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:24:37 GMT . From: "Francine Doyon" <francine.doyon@hp.com> Subject: Re: Patches? 2 Message-ID: <VFmKa.3376$aX1.2303@news.cpqcorp.net>  ! A great spot to review patches is 5 http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/   G Check under "Indexed by Version" for a listing of the patches and their  rating by OpenVMS version.   Francine Doyon
 HP Canada CSC     3 "Amy Lewis" <amylewis@pacbell.net> wrote in message : news:jYlKa.1130$pn.173688948@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...	 > Hi all,  > K > Where would I go to find out what patches I don't have yet that I should?  >  > a. >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2003 16:39:49 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Patches? 3 Message-ID: <Ocn+75ZNk9ve@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <jYlKa.1130$pn.173688948@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, "Amy Lewis" <amylewis@pacbell.net> writes: 	 > Hi all,  > K > Where would I go to find out what patches I don't have yet that I should?   J    A desrription of all patches can be searched on Encompasserve, amongst -    other places.   (eisner.encompasserve.org)   A    You could wander through all the patch descriptions on the ftp /    server, but that would probably take longer.   C    In any case, drop by www.openvms.compaq.com and pick up the FAQ.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:59:05 -0700 3 From: Robert Klute <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> & Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death8 Message-ID: <mprjfvs8ar0bo6fpkpjh33ecs6i9q7lqe0@4ax.com>  H On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:26:38 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  J >I therefore refer you to the first of those two suggestions.  The contextJ >surrounding the comment that you chose to respond to irrelevantly made itK >obvious that the limitation being mentioned was that of the largest usable L >flat address space that an application (in this case, a database) on such aL >32-bit OS could make use of (absent OS extensions that allowed execution ofK >a 64-bit application analogous to those which 16-bit DOS made available in I >its 'Win32s' environment).  And even in the absence of that context, the K >suggestion that the IA32 architecture might reserve 250 MB of its physical G >address space for memory-mapped I/O would appear to indicate ignorance H >either of that architecture or of the fact that it was the architecture >being discussed.     H I was trying to follow the discussion, but the comment about addressableD memory seemed to be a more general one.  The news group is after all
 about VMS.      ? OK, the Motorola 68xxx, DEC VAX, and HP PA-7xxx were all 32-bit C implementations that did memory mapped I/O.  80386 and latter IA-32 G architectures can do MMIO.  PA-RISC systems did reserve the top 256M of % address range to memory mapped I/O.     F So, could you please explain why on IA-32 systems you can only addressH 3.75G out of 4G of addressable memory?  It is not BIOS, it is not PAE, ID thought Windows grabbed either 2G or 1G (if the /3GB switch is set). What is it?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:18:33 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: Portents of Itanium death2 Message-ID: <76qdnYSd_bsOaGSjXTWJhQ@metrocast.net>  @ "Robert Klute" <robert_klute_removethis@hp.com> wrote in message2 news:mprjfvs8ar0bo6fpkpjh33ecs6i9q7lqe0@4ax.com...   ...   H > So, could you please explain why on IA-32 systems you can only addressJ > 3.75G out of 4G of addressable memory?  It is not BIOS, it is not PAE, IF > thought Windows grabbed either 2G or 1G (if the /3GB switch is set).
 > What is it?   J The comment, as I already noted, referred to the amount of virtual addressD space available to applications.  Windows allows that to be 2 GB (orK optionally 3 GB in server versions, if you're willing to squeeze the system G cache down a lot).  Linux is a bit more flexible, and IIRC allows up to L about 3.5 GB (or possibly the 3.75 GB Andrew mentioned).  In both cases, theL residue *not* available to the application is that which is mapped to the OSI for its use to avoid the need to perform a complete memory context switch - just to enter the OS to do something trivial.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:33:37 GMT % From: "bayden cline" <bayden@isys.ca> " Subject: problems with vms installG Message-ID: <5rpKa.17461$O31.8514@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   F Hello, i am trying to install vms onto a 164lx machine but i am havingL problems in that anytime that i try to initialize the drive i am getting the following error:  ' %INIT-F-DEVCMDERR, device command error   K it is a 18gig seagate SCSI hard drive that i am trying to initialize and it L is on a Qlogic UW scsi card, the cd-rom that i on this card works fine but iJ cannot seem to inialize the drive i have even tried a 4.5 gig drive that iI had laying around and it did the same thing, just wondering if anyone has . any sujestions about anything else i could try   thanks   bayden   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:07:20 -0700 * From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>, Subject: Re: PuTTY and SSH2 on OpenVMS - Not+ Message-ID: <3efa2b27$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   - "Manser" <nmanser@progis.de> wrote in message 7 news:2178d61f.0306250435.3d6d109e@posting.google.com... 5 > Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> wrote in message ( news:<3EF93EE5.4060405@spammotel.com>...   > E > By the way i habe some problems usinng the putty client, especially G > when editing files, the cursor points to wrong locations in the file, 8 > so that working with the editor is extremly difficult. > Have you exprienced this ? >   K Sorry, Manzer, I missed this the first time around.  I have not experienced L this particular problem, but it sounds like a VT emulation issue.  All I canJ suggest is to fiddle with the settings in PuTTY's Terminal|Keyboard dialog( until you get close to something useful.   Regards,   Alders   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:42:38 GMTa( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>, Subject: Re: PuTTY and SSH2 on OpenVMS - Not* Message-ID: <3EFA4F8D.40504@spammotel.com>   Simon Tatham wrote:P, > Alder  <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> wrote: > + >>PuTTY reports this at each login attempt:  >> >>	Using username "TBRANSCO".i? >>	Authenticating with public key "dsa-key-20030418" from agentr3 >>	No supported authentication methods left to try!i >  > B > The log you've posted shows that PuTTY is receiving confirmationD > from the server that it _is_ willing to accept signatures from the@ > public key you're offering; yet when PuTTY actually provides a > signature, it's refused. > @ > Probably the best next step is to check the system logs at theF > server end, in case the server has logged the _reason_ why it didn't > like the signature.   C I've got the server logs now, but I don't see any "reason" for the d9 failure.  Looks like just a different way to say "choke".a   .  .h .o debug: Running event loopk5 debug: Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C:643: Remote version:   SSH-2.0-PuTTY-Release-0.53b B debug: Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C:1167: c_to_s: cipher 3des-cbc, mac   - hmac-sha1, compression none-B debug: Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C:1170: s_to_c: cipher 3des-cbc, mac - hmac-sha1, compression nonelB debug: Sshd2/SSHD2.C:428: user 'TBRANSCO' service 'ssh-connection'9 - client_ip '192.168.0.1' client_port '1792' completed ''s+ debug: Sshd2/SSHD2.C:558: output: publickeyv2 WARNING: Public key operation failed for tbransco.D debug: Ssh2Common/SSHCOMMON.C:153: DISCONNECT received: No supported" - authentication methods available3 debug: Sshd2/SSHD2.C:176: locally_generated = FALSEt debug: Exiting event loop 9    TCPIP$SSH    job terminated at 25-JUN-2003 18:27:19.33    Regards,   Alderl   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:45:30 +0000 (UTC)i7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)t; Subject: Re: SET HOST/LAT and cut and paste with DECwindowso( Message-ID: <bdcqka$436$1@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  C >Why can I only cut and paste two lines into a DECterm which has a  J >process which logged in via SET HOST/LAT?  If I log in via TELNET, I can  >cut and paste much more.-  J You are running out of typeahead buffer size (default=78 characters).  YouG can either crank SYSGEN parameter TTY_TYPAHDSZ to be a large number, or3F better yet, enable TTY_ALTYPAHD for LAT devices (LTAx:) only and crankH TTY_ALTYPAHD to a larger number (default=200 characters).  UnfortunatelyK I don't know how to make lat devices use the alt typeahead size (by default @ that is not by running some program for each lat device created) -- g -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:00:33 -0400i* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>; Subject: Re: SET HOST/LAT and cut and paste with DECwindowse) Message-ID: <3EF9FF56.16D24D2D@istop.com>    Phillip Helbig wrote::H > Why can I cut and paste more if I log in via telnet or just in a localG > DECterm, but not via LAT?  Does this perhaps change the defaults?  (Ir@ > certainly don't have any procedures which modify this terminal > characteristic.)  K Well, I don't know why cutting would be different, as this would be done byk; decterm with data already received and in decterm's buffer.   L Could it be because LAT implements no flow control and assumes that the hostH will send <ctrl-S><ctrl-Q> as part of the data stream to the terminal to throttle inbound data ?   L As I recall, TCPIP and DECNET would have some form of flow control since theL lack of an ack will eventually cause flow to stop once the window is filled.   Is the above correct ?  H One thing I have noticed with LAT though is that a <CTRL-Y> doesn't takeM immediate action. Text continues to flow a LOT until you see the *INTERRUPT*.tM My guess is that the remote host is sending data via LAT to the local host aspH fats as it can, with the local host buffering to flow more slowly to theF terminal, so when you press CTRL-Y, the remote host has already sent a gazillion bytes.  J I guess DECNET's CTERM is more sophisticated than SET HOST/LAT in terms of terminal control.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:43:53 +0200w$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>! Subject: Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released 5 Message-ID: <bdcqjo$roc5u$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>t  ' On 23-Jun-2003 15:54, Bob Supnik wrote:a  8 > SIMH V3.0 was released yesterday on the SIMH web site. >  > http://simh.trailing-edge.comx >  > [...]-  E Quoting from "vax-doc.txt" (section 2.5 RQDX3 MSCP Disk Controllers):i  ! > 	SET RQn RD51		set type to RD51t! > 	SET RQn RD52		set type to RD52-! > 	SET RQn RD53		set type to RD53e! > 	SET RQn RD54		set type to RD54 ! > 	SET RQn RD31		set type to RD31m! > 	SET RQn RA82		set type to RA82e! > 	SET RQn RA72		set type to RA72 ! > 	SET RQn RA90		set type to RA90 ! > 	SET RQn RA92		set type to RA92t  F What's the capacity of these disks? These drives seem to be rather oldG and I didn't find any documentation at the HP web site, even within the  SOC archive.   Michaelr   -- >  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.o= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 03:22:32 GMTr From: ian@hammo.com (paramucho)t! Subject: Re: SIMH V3.0-0 releasedt1 Message-ID: <3f1d51d4.6700668@news.supernews.com>c  . On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:28:26 -0400, Bob Supnik' <bsupnik@nauticusnet.nospam.com> wrote:e  ? >Because of problems with finding the 'packet.dll' library, the < >precompiled executables with Ethernet do not run correctly. >sE >I've withdrawn these binaries, and reverted to non-Ethernet versionsa? >for the PDP-11 and VAX, until the problem is found and solved.k  F In one of my things I use LoadLibraryEx and GetProcAddress to load the@ winpcap routines and some local type and function definitions toF access them. If the DLLs are not present then the functionality can beA disabled and a precise status message can output. It also means Ib? don't need their development tree on my machine just to get the  headers.     >/Bob Supnik >d/ >On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:54:50 -0400, Bob SupnikS( ><bsupnik@nauticusnet.nospam.com> wrote: > 8 >>SIMH V3.0 was released yesterday on the SIMH web site. >> >>http://simh.trailing-edge.comh >>F >>Despite the major version number change, the visible differences areF >>few. There have been substantial changes to internal data structuresC >>and definitions.  Also, there have been bug fixes in almost everyl? >>simulated system.  Please see the ReadMe for further details.n >>@ >>In addition to sources, the web site has a zip file of WindowsA >>executables; the Windows executables for VAX and PDP-11 are nows! >>compiled with Ethernet support.  >>
 >>/Bob Supnika     -- Ianj" Impressive If Haughty - Q Magazine   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2003 13:07:56 -05002 From: newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton)! Subject: Re: Slow FTP Gets. Fixedt3 Message-ID: <DfTL27FjnXaS@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  ; Fixed.  Brute force method.  Installed a 2 port DE602 card.aF Transferred 61000 blocks in 6.5 seconds.  TCPIP reported speed of overI 4000 KB/SEC.  I susspect the built in DE500's are worse than most of themi so I will ignore them.   Thanks for the responses.f   Lawrence    m In article <XcIJa.78811$RM6.1090856@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:Hj > In article <OHyo0zoCrMCa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, newton_l@encompasserve.org (Lawrence Newton) writes:N >>I have just configured a DS10 with VMS 7.3-1 with patches, but no patch for O >>TCPIP.  I am using the DE500 built in DE500 ethernet ports. Every thing seemseM >>to work except I can do an ftp get from other systems and the transfer runslJ >>at about a megabyte/second. If I do an ftp get from the DS10 to the sameO >>systems, it runs at less than 10 kilobytes/second. I did a short ftp put from,/ >>a PC and it appeared to run at a fast speed. t > ; > 1.) Install ECOs. They fix problems. And TCPIP has a lot. I > 2.) Not digging too much into, I almost bet that this a autonegotiationg6 > problem of the ethernet hardware (DE500, Switchport) >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistu > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:13:18 +0200<+ From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>a! Subject: Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 125 Message-ID: <bdconv$rj5df$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>0  H "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> schreef in bericht5 news:01KXIUOZ2XFQAOKN0V@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...>6 > > What is the latest SUPPORTED version of VMS on it? >  >    According to the SPD: >s5 > OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 is the final version toe  > support the following systems: >     DEC 2000 Models 300/500 >     Tadpole AlphaBook 1  E It seems about the "right" time to drop support for the 2000 300/500.oB The Tadpole was never a big seller, and not even a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|H product.  I'm surprised that 7.3-1 is still supported on it.  Why hasn't% Tadpole support been dropped earlier?t  ? Is there something about 7.3-2 which would make Tadpole supportaE difficult, or was it just decided that it wasn't worth bothering withe anymore?      I Just guessing here: certifying systems for a particular VMS version is anlD expensive task. So support is dropped for systems that are no longerE commercially useful. So 7.3-2 might work on a Tadpole, but in case of>H problems you're on yor own. Similar to running VMS on a white-box Alpha, right?D Unless the Tadpole requires very specific items, like a bootstrap or? graphics device driver, that are withdrawn it might still work.b   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2003 19:10:12 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>! Subject: Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1d6 Message-ID: <20030625191012.25797.qmail@gacracker.org>  H On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:7 >> > What is the latest SUPPORTED version of VMS on it?o >>=20v >>    According to the SPD:. >>=20 6 >> OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 is the final version to! >> support the following systems:l! >> =B7    DEC 2000 Models 300/500  >> =B7    Tadpole AlphaBook 1o >dI >It seems about the "right" time to drop support for the 2000 300/500.=20wC >The Tadpole was never a big seller, and not even a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|aI >product.  I'm surprised that 7.3-1 is still supported on it.  Why hasn't ) >Tadpole support been dropped earlier?=20g > C >Is there something about 7.3-2 which would make Tadpole support=20mI >difficult, or was it just decided that it wasn't worth bothering with=20r	 >anymore?e  L It may not be a case of support being dropped, but of the platform not bein= g 
 qualified.     Doc. --=20iL OpenVMS.  Eight out of ten hackers                   https://vmsbox.cjb.net=  L           prefer *other* operating systems.        http://althacker.cjb.net=   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2003 16:36:11 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o! Subject: Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1o3 Message-ID: <lyHIX0oE$lRC@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  w In article <01KXIUOZ2XFQAOKN0V@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:eJ > It seems about the "right" time to drop support for the 2000 300/500.=20D > The Tadpole was never a big seller, and not even a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|J > product.  I'm surprised that 7.3-1 is still supported on it.  Why hasn't* > Tadpole support been dropped earlier?=20  A    Maybe someone was paying enough support fees on one to justifybB    keeping it.  Or maybe now an IA-64 based replacement has become-    at least a light at the end of the tunnel.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:40:08 -0700g( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>! Subject: Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1i* Message-ID: <3EFA24C8.40405@NelsonUSA.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:d7 > Does anyone here actually own a Tadpole Alpha-Book 1?e   I do.r  4 > What is the latest SUPPORTED version of VMS on it?  < I don't have the SPD handy, but I believe that it is v7.3-1.  G > What is the latest version of VMS that anyone has actually run on it?l   V7.2  " > Does it run the 21066/LCA4 chip?  
 I don't know.f  K > Now, the most important question: Is it possible to plug in an LK401 and n! > have everything work as normal?d   I haven't tried it, but I will.w  8 Does anyone know where I can get a spare battery for it?   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:42:49 -0400a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)! Subject: Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 13L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2506032142490001@user-105n90q.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <01KXIUOZ2XFQAOKN0V@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:o  7 >> > What is the latest SUPPORTED version of VMS on it?y >>=20a >>    According to the SPD:e >>=20e6 >> OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3-1 is the final version to! >> support the following systems: ! >> =B7    DEC 2000 Models 300/500w >> =B7    Tadpole AlphaBook 1  >iI >It seems about the "right" time to drop support for the 2000 300/500.=20-C >The Tadpole was never a big seller, and not even a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|.I >product.  I'm surprised that 7.3-1 is still supported on it.  Why hasn'tu) >Tadpole support been dropped earlier?=20- > C >Is there something about 7.3-2 which would make Tadpole support=20 I >difficult, or was it just decided that it wasn't worth bothering with=20i	 >anymore?   J I think the problem with the Tadpole is disk space.  The largest qualified5 disk won't hold, (or barely holds) a VMS system disk.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 02:20:02 GMTt+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) ! Subject: Re: Tadpole Alpha-Book 1-: Message-ID: <mLsKa.25203$hV.1274238@twister.austin.rr.com>  3 Robert Deininger (rdeininger@mindspring.com) wrote:pC : I think the problem with the Tadpole is disk space.  The largest oA : qualified disk won't hold, (or barely holds) a VMS system disk.  :o  9 But an external SCSI disk can be used as the system disk.     2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:54:45 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: TCPIP problem with 7.3-1b) Message-ID: <3EF9EFEE.3167890C@istop.com>   % re: machine controller not reachable.c  M Have you checked the routing tables to make sure that VMS knows how to send al packet t that device ?  I Have you used TCPTRACE to see if VMS sends out the packets to the machinetN properly (or perhaps the machine does reply, but packets go seomewhere else ?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:34:23 -0400'* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: TCPIP problem with 7.3-1 ) Message-ID: <3EF9F936.B76F57AC@istop.com>s   Carl Karcher wrote:m >   $ sysconfig -q ineta > D > Others were changed too. The trouble is without a TCPIP 5.1 systemH > around you won't know what the 5.1 values were as I've never found any > documentation of the changes.o  E Here is the output of the above on a 5.0a system and 5.3- ECO 2 (VAX)dL (interesting that 5.0 had some parameters no longer shown). Note that I haveM not removed those lines that are the same since it gives a better idea of howf much has and hasn't changed.    /  5.0A                                     5.3-2s- inet:                                   inet:x?                                         icmp_rejectcodemask = 0g; inifaddr_hsize = 32                     inifaddr_hsize = 32d5 ipdefttl = 64                           ipdefttl = 64u@ ipdirected_broadcast = 0                ipdirected_broadcast = 08 ipforwarding = 1                        ipforwarding = 16 ipfragttl = 60                          ipfragttl = 605 ipgateway = 1                           ipgateway = 1mC ipport_userreserved = 5000              ipport_userreserved = 65535.G                                         ipport_userreserved_min = 49152v8                                         ipqmaxlen = 10240                                         ipqs = 1; ipsendredirects = 1                     ipsendredirects = 1 6 ipsrcroute = 1                          ipsrcroute = 1 route_round_robin = 0i ipv6router = 0 ipv6forwarding = 0 ipv6_tunnel_default_mtu = 1280 ipv4_tunnel_default_mtu = 1280B pmtu_decrease_intvl = 1200              pmtu_decrease_intvl = 12008 pmtu_enabled = 1                        pmtu_enabled = 1A pmtu_increase_intvl = 240               pmtu_increase_intvl = 240n@ pmtu_rt_check_intvl = 20                pmtu_rt_check_intvl = 20; subnetsarelocal = 1                     subnetsarelocal = 1 6                                         tcbhashnum = 19 tcbhashsize = 32                        tcbhashsize = 512m: tcbquicklisten = 0                      tcbquicklisten = 19 tcp_compat_42 = 1                       tcp_compat_42 = 1i= tcp_cwnd_segments = 2                   tcp_cwnd_segments = 2n= tcp_dont_winscale = 0                   tcp_dont_winscale = 0uA tcp_keepalive_default = 0               tcp_keepalive_default = 0 7 tcp_keepcnt = 8                         tcp_keepcnt = 8r< tcp_keepidle = 150                      tcp_keepidle = 14400: tcp_keepinit = 150                      tcp_keepinit = 150; tcp_keepintvl = 150                     tcp_keepintvl = 150e4 tcp_msl = 60                            tcp_msl = 609 tcp_mssdflt = 536                       tcp_mssdflt = 536 7 tcpnodelack = 0                         tcpnodelack = 0n= tcp_recvspace = 32768                   tcp_recvspace = 61440 C tcp_rexmit_interval_min = 2             tcp_rexmit_interval_min = 2 : tcprexmtthresh = 3                      tcp_rexmtmax = 128: tcp_rttdflt = 3                         tcprexmtthresh = 37                                         tcp_rttdflt = 3 = tcp_sendspace = 32768                   tcp_sendspace = 6144054 tcp_ttl = 60                            tcp_ttl = 608 tcptwreorder = 1                        tcptwreorder = 09 tcp_urgent_42 = 1                       tcp_urgent_42 = 1 4 udpcksum = 1                            udpcksum = 1= udp_recvspace = 41920                   udp_recvspace = 42080c< udp_sendspace = 9216                    udp_sendspace = 92164 udp_ttl = 30                            udp_ttl = 30A                                         ovms_nobroadcastcheck = 0i@                                         ovms_printf_to_opcom = 1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:39:23 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: Who can you trust, then?3) Message-ID: <3EF9EC56.B6F277CF@istop.com>w   Greg Cagle wrote:d< > HP. As a change, I was thinking it might be interesting to: > hear about vendors who CAN be trusted. Who would you bet6 > your career and your future (and your company's) on?  N Some IBMers who know me would get a heart attack, but right now, if you ask meI which vendor I woudl trust most, I would have to say IBM. Then comes Sun.6  N Why ? Because they have a vested interest in competing with their own products" and making their own products win.  M And I would trust Dell because they are focused on one thing: building winteluL crap. Their big dilemans isn't between Unix and Windows, it is between IntelN and AMD, both of which are essentially the same for the customer. Dell is likeL a pocket calculator maker. Nothing fancy in what it does, but it executes it
 very well.    G HP not only has the bad baggage, untrustworthy management who refuse to G mention VMS publicly, but tell VMS customers"don't worry, we're just aseM committed to VMS as we were to Alpha", but it is also difficult to know if HPaN would prefer to be a wintel company or an enterprise company.  IBM was able toK clearly show it was an enterprise company even though it does make wintels. N But HP isn't able to provide itself with a clear, stable image of what type of company it wants to be.R  N One day, Carly talks about printers. Where are Centronics and Epson today, the! former "monopolies" in printing ?e  F The next day, Carly talks about wintel and how it will rule the world.  ? The next day, Carly acknowledges she has HP-UX, but also Linux.a  K And twice a year, she also acknowledges having Tandem. (but never publicqlyr acknowledges VMS).  J To be trustable, a company must have a single image, not one which changes with the trade rag winds.r    K Interesting that Carly seems extremely well aware that image is everything. L Her presentation in pictures etc clearly show that she goes to great lengthsM to appear "well". Ironic that she has not a clue on how to make her company'sH image work.r  L Unless, of course, she has decided that HP is to be a wintel/printer companyJ with the enterprise stuff just a necessary evil that subsidizes her wintel# future. (Sounds a lot like Compaq).p   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.349 ************************