1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 27 Jun 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 352       Contents:4 Re: $brkthruw from a symbiont returns SS$_DEVOFFLINE4 Re: $brkthruw from a symbiont returns SS$_DEVOFFLINE* Re: access a saveset from windows or linux# Configuring two DNS servers for UCX ' Re: Configuring two DNS servers for UCX ' Re: Configuring two DNS servers for UCX ' Re: Configuring two DNS servers for UCX ' Re: Configuring two DNS servers for UCX  Re: cxx performance  Re: cxx performance  DCPS F2.3 field test available% Re: DEC C/TCPWARE/globalvalue problem % Re: DEC C/TCPWARE/globalvalue problem  Re: EMC on VMS# Ethernet card for alphaserver 1000a ' Re: Ethernet card for alphaserver 1000a ' Re: Ethernet card for alphaserver 1000a @ Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and@ Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and How do I turn on XFC caching? ! Re: How do I turn on XFC caching?  Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux? Re: HP to drop hpux?: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers Non-Chinese computer hardware + OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some) / Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some) / Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some) / Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some) / Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some) / Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some) / Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some) / Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)  Re: physical drive replacement2 Re: SET HOST/LAT and cut and paste with DECwindows Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released1 Strange behavior of Backup/ign=inter on VMS 7.3-1  Re: SWXCRMGR Update   Re: Testing network on a cluster  Re: Testing network on a cluster  Re: Testing network on a cluster  Re: Testing network on a cluster Re: TK50 Need Help& Re: Username/passwords for SMTP Server+ Re: WRQ Reflection and DEC escape sequences + Re: WRQ Reflection and DEC escape sequences - Re: zip program that handles multi-dot files? - Re: zip program that handles multi-dot files?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 03:52:06 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)= Subject: Re: $brkthruw from a symbiont returns SS$_DEVOFFLINE = Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0306270252.2c09d2f9@posting.google.com>   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KXK0LMB11YAOKN0V@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...I > > OpenVMS V7.3-1, about as current as it gets for now unless there's an J > > ECO we're missing (there are several out that we haven't installed but& > > none ring a bell regarding this).  > K > IIRC, the problem was introduced by a patch and corrected with a further  < > patch.  So just install all patches and you'll be OK.  :-)  8 The V7.3 SYS ECO V2 and V3 both deal with a problem withD BRKTHRU/BRKTHRUW but I already had V3 installed before I stumbled on/ this problem. I don't see a V4 out there yet...   ? I did install virtually all the other ECOs this morning without D improving things. (If I left any out, they're only needed to support> hardware I don't have, and I even put in several of those. ForF example, I'm using an AlphaStation 400/233 but I put in IIDRIVER and a& couple of EV7-related patches anyway).   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 08:08:18 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)= Subject: Re: $brkthruw from a symbiont returns SS$_DEVOFFLINE = Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0306270708.415695a7@posting.google.com>   i gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen) wrote in message news:<bdc65a53.0306270252.2c09d2f9@posting.google.com>... ~ > Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KXK0LMB11YAOKN0V@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...K > > > OpenVMS V7.3-1, about as current as it gets for now unless there's an L > > > ECO we're missing (there are several out that we haven't installed but( > > > none ring a bell regarding this).  > > M > > IIRC, the problem was introduced by a patch and corrected with a further  > > > patch.  So just install all patches and you'll be OK.  :-) > : > The V7.3 SYS ECO V2 and V3 both deal with a problem withF > BRKTHRU/BRKTHRUW but I already had V3 installed before I stumbled on1 > this problem. I don't see a V4 out there yet...  > A > I did install virtually all the other ECOs this morning without F > improving things. (If I left any out, they're only needed to support@ > hardware I don't have, and I even put in several of those. ForH > example, I'm using an AlphaStation 400/233 but I put in IIDRIVER and a( > couple of EV7-related patches anyway).   The mystery deepens.  C A little closer checking revealed that, since the patches I applied E this morning, the $BRKTHRUW with BRK$C_USERNAME from a symbiont works = as intended PROVIDED that the target username's UIC is [1,4]. , Otherwise it gives SS$_DEVOFFLINE as before.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:42:43 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>3 Subject: Re: access a saveset from windows or linux . Message-ID: <3EFC1193.8127.169A50AB@localhost>  H > Is there a utility that can extract one or all files from a saveset onH > windows or unix (linux).  I have a number of local saveset backups andA > want to pull a file out of it sometimes - but I am remote on my  > linux/windows XP laptop.  C I have set up several people with CHARON-VAX as a way to un-backup   their savesets...   ; [Another Shameless Plug (tm) from a CHARON-VAX reseller...] 
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:08:35 +0200 8 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com>, Subject: Configuring two DNS servers for UCX@ Message-ID: <a5its-7lg.ln1@fliwarsln02.warsaw.intl.fritolay.pvt>   Hi all,  The system in question is ? Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.1 - ECO 10 6 on an AlphaServer 8200 5/440 running OpenVMS V7.1-1H1, (and we have the same result on ? DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 2 6 on an AlphaServer 2100 4/275 running OpenVMS V7.2-1H1)  L I would like to reconfigure it, so that I could make use of two external DNS servers, for redundancy. I tried the following: @SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]ucx$config 1 - Core environment 1 - BIND Resolver ( Do you want to reconfigure BIND [NO] ? y2 Enter your BIND server name: (1st DNS server here)2 Enter your BIND server name: (2nd DNS server here)# Enter your BIND server name: (<CR>)  and it shows up correctly, i.e.  Servers: (1st), (2nd) G - but it still doesn't work... I mean if the 1st server was down, a DNS  query is not resolved: UCX> show host (hostname) & %UCX-W-NORECORD, Information not found -RMS-E-RNF, record not found - after a very long timeout :(  G What can I do? Upgrading the O.S. is out of question, for many reasons.    TIA -  T. D.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:56:23 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> 0 Subject: Re: Configuring two DNS servers for UCXA Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030627065425.03f50008@mail.patmedia.net>   ' At 12:08 PM 6/27/2003 +0200, you wrote:    >Hi all, >The system in question is@ >Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.1 - ECO 107 >on an AlphaServer 8200 5/440 running OpenVMS V7.1-1H1,   >(and we have the same result on@ >DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 27 >on an AlphaServer 2100 4/275 running OpenVMS V7.2-1H1)  > M >I would like to reconfigure it, so that I could make use of two external DNS  >servers, for redundancy.   2 I believe what you are looking for is the command:   $ ucx set name/system/server=   1 Check the help for "Set name" under UCX or TCPIP.   
 Ken Robinson     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:23:55 +0200 + From: Rainer Giese <spamto@wastebasket.net> 0 Subject: Re: Configuring two DNS servers for UCX8 Message-ID: <3v9ofvk290nc5sjl2u349kvffri204an1o@4ax.com>  9 "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:    >UCX> show host (hostname)' >%UCX-W-NORECORD, Information not found  >-RMS-E-RNF, record not found  >- after a very long timeout :(   = At first I believe to remember, that you have to restart name + resolving (UCX SET NAME /DISABLE.../ENABLE)   C At second : are you able to ping or reach the name servers anyway ? ;  If yes than try UCX SHOW HOST * /SERVER=particular_server. @ Unfortunally UCX/TCPIP always say "record not found" without any reason.    --   Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:24:54 +0200 8 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com>0 Subject: Re: Configuring two DNS servers for UCX/ Message-ID: <bdh9in$kvm$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>   4 > I believe what you are looking for is the command: >  > $ ucx set name/system/server=  > 3 > Check the help for "Set name" under UCX or TCPIP.    That's it. Thank you very much.    T. D.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:41:39 +0200 8 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com>0 Subject: Re: Configuring two DNS servers for UCX. Message-ID: <bdhai4$2t$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>  ? > At first I believe to remember, that you have to restart name - > resolving (UCX SET NAME /DISABLE.../ENABLE)   + Thanks to Ken I know the solution. Which is & ucx> set name/system/server=(1st, 2nd) preceded by 6 ucx> set name/system/noserver=...(any current entries)
 if needed. After  ucx> show name? one can see if the bind resolver is enabled. If it is not, then  ucx> set name/system/enable  does it.   T. D.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:34:16 GMT - From: "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel_nospam@hp.com>  Subject: Re: cxx performance1 Message-ID: <IBYKa.3511$VD3.953@news.cpqcorp.net>   6 "Eric Johnson" <ejohnson@factset.com> wrote in message6 news:ef79676b.0306181832.1a3eae3@posting.google.com...K | Where could one get more information about problem report cxxc_bugs10188?   H     cxxc_bugs is a VMS NOTES file used by  the C and C++ groups to track issues in the C and C++ I     compilers.  It has been around for a *long* time.  This notes file is  accessed both by engineering     and by support folks.   I     Whenever we receive a report of a problem, a feature request from any  source we enter a topic inH     this NOTES file.  In this way we have one mechanism for tracking all issues requests.  G     When Ken saw this posting, he created a cxxc_bugs entry for it.  So  cxxc_bugs 10188 containsK     no more information than this newsgroup (to answer the question asked).   H     He replied here noting the entry number.  So...in the future, if you want to know if any action hasK     been taken by us on this problem, you can say "Hey...did you folks ever  look at cxxc_bugs 10188?" D     rather than "Did you guys every look at this problem I posted in comp.os.vms?".    K     Given the current demands on the engineering team (porting to IPF comes  to mind), I would doubt H     that cxxc_bugs 10188 will get to the "top of our list" anytime soon." Just the same, we do have a recordJ     of it, and if other customers raise similar issues, we will raise it's	 priority.   )     I hope this explains what's going on.        Ed Vogel$     HP C/C++ for OpenVMS Engineering   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 10:46:34 -07001 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer)  Subject: Re: cxx performance< Message-ID: <477e0934.0306270946.b983a72@posting.google.com>  f "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel_nospam@hp.com> wrote in message news:<IBYKa.3511$VD3.953@news.cpqcorp.net>...  M >     Given the current demands on the engineering team (porting to IPF comes  > to mind), I would doubt J >     that cxxc_bugs 10188 will get to the "top of our list" anytime soon.$ > Just the same, we do have a recordL >     of it, and if other customers raise similar issues, we will raise it's > priority.  > + >     I hope this explains what's going on.  >  >     Ed Vogel& >     HP C/C++ for OpenVMS Engineering  E I have been focusing on the efficiency of our build system here for a D few months now.  We have found that the compiler is extremely slow. @ It seems to be very IO intensive to the directories where common header files are stored.  D My analysis shows that it does attempt some cacheing of the includedE header files, but it still does a few ios on each successive include, C presumably to get the fileID to look up in some internal cache.  We E have started guarding our includes in the included AND including file D in order to improve things.  This, however, is hard to mainting, andF we can't possibly go back and retrofit our entire system (we have over 15k source files).  ; Other compilers solve this problem with #pragma ONCE and/or D precompiled headers.  Depending upon the implementation, these could be a huge win for us.   E Our system requires almost 24 hours to build.  Getting this time down ? is a high priority here (as is switching to the 6.5 compilers).   
 joshua lehrer  factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:05:32 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>' Subject: DCPS F2.3 field test available 5 Message-ID: <270620031041466611%paul.anderson@hp.com>    All,  ? OpenVMS Engineering is pleased to announce that a field test of D DECprint Supervisor (DCPS) V2.3, called DCPS F2.3, is now available.  B The major feature of this release is the addition of LPD support. ? Printing via LPD allows printing to printers that don't support A bi-directional IP communications.  DCPS F2.3 adds support for the  following printers:   9   - HP Color LaserJet 8500, 8550 (LPD and AppleTalk only) ;   - HP LaserJet 2300 (supported in V2.2 but not documented)   F Additional printer support will be added in later field test versions,$ and the final release, of DCPS V2.3.  @ Anyone interested in printing DCPS jobs via LPD is encouraged toC participate in the field test.  We expect participants to send back  reports of success or problems.   G DCPS F2.3 includes the changes made for the earlier DCPS T2.2-STP4 test  kit.  E Please see the F2.3 Release Notes for a full list of enhancements and ? bug fixes and instructions for setting up LPD queues.  The SPD, D Software Installation Guide, System Manager's Guide and User's GuideD have not been changed for this release, but will be available later.  F DCPS F2.3 will expire on April 1, 2004.  DCPS V2.3 is expected to ship in October 2003.  E If you are interested in participating in the field test, please send   me mail at paul.anderson@hp.com.   Paul    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 07:26:19 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: DEC C/TCPWARE/globalvalue problem3 Message-ID: <Hm4ah+GiamCk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <ifudnet5884B8majXTWJkw@brightview.com>, "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> writes:  > K > Is this likely to be just the DEC C (and possibly VAX C) compiler(s) that N > require case statements to have compile-time constants, but (e.g.) Micro$oftM > and various U*ix wannabes/contenders don't?  Where would this be documented 7 > that DEC C (rightly/wrongly) imposes this constraint?   F    I looked this up once upon a time when VAX C refused to accept linkA    time constants for case labels.  It was in the VAX C reference C    manual, not highlighted as an extension or exception to the then     new ANSI C standard.      D    And I thought it was silly, but I had to code up a whole bunch of    else if to deal with it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:22:14 GMT - From: "Ed Vogel" <edward.vogel_nospam@hp.com> . Subject: Re: DEC C/TCPWARE/globalvalue problem1 Message-ID: <qqYKa.3510$lG3.620@news.cpqcorp.net>   F "covendotartdottalk21dotcom" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message |K | Is this likely to be just the DEC C (and possibly VAX C) compiler(s) that D | require case statements to have compile-time constants, but (e.g.)	 Micro$oft - | and various U*ix wannabes/contenders don't?   H     I don't know of any compiler that accepts a link-time constant for a case statement.   %     To quote from the (C99) Standard:   G         "The expression of each case label shall be an integer constant  expression...."     K | The IF..ELSE IF...ELSE IF...ELSE IF construct did work (although I accept L | you may have misgivings as to whether or not things "seem" to work becauseG | of the use of /STAND=VAXC) - I had success in connecting, logging in, I | changing directory and getting a directory listing from the remote U*ix  | box.  J     Another option to the nested if stuff is to create a function dispatch
 table thatH     will dispatch to the correct function based on a runtime value.  The function dispatch K     table can be initialized using designated initializers once at runtime.        Ed Vogel!     HP C for OpenVMS Development.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 09:48:27 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Re: EMC on VMS 3 Message-ID: <DiW$JIshkx8w@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <cf15391e.0306261251.3c5fbb89@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes: h > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<7AwT9yEDoxfJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>...: >> The Symmetrix has its own substitute for READL, WRITEL. > G > Then why not support SCSI READL/WRITEL, even if it really is emulated H > internally using their own substitute mechanism?  How hard could it beC > technically to just make it do the right thing for these two SCSI H > commands?  READL/WRITEL are part of the SCSI standard.  Not supportingB > them makes our VMS customers doubt EMC's depth of committment to > support for the VMS platform.     @ 	Good question for someone to ask EMC.  Maybe there is some sort> 	of overhead tie-in issue into the Enginuity microcode.  Maybe: 	it helps to push people away from Volume Shadowing by notE 	supporting it.  After all, there is "overhead" for Volume Shadowing  ? 	(heard that somewhere before).  Plus, you could snap off BCVs  > 	periodically and keep online copies of the databases used forE 	testing or continuity (heard that somewhere before).  Plus, you can  C 	offload production servers by backing up BCVs with standby/backup  ' 	servers (heard that somewhere before).   ? 	But either way, there is some serious math involved.  The odds < 	of bad blocks, etc.  It works, if it didn't customers would> 	be outraged.  So as long as you aren't reading bad blocks, it> 	really doesn't matter how that is accomplished.  And how thatC 	is accomplished is out there somewhere (maybe not to the technical D 	depth to satisfy you - not being cute, you are a technical wizard).   				Rob    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jun 2003 11:00:49 GMT+ From: Mike Zanker <not-for-mail@zanker.org> , Subject: Ethernet card for alphaserver 1000a7 Message-ID: <Xns93A77A35DFED5mikezankerorg@130.133.1.4>    Hi,   G I've just acquired an Alphaserver 1000A 5/300 on which I'd like to run  F OpenVMS 7.3 with a hobbyist license. It came without an ethernet card G so I'd be very grateful if someone could advise me of a compatible one   to buy.    Thanks in advance,   Mike.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:10:47 -0400 , From: "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com>0 Subject: Re: Ethernet card for alphaserver 1000a/ Message-ID: <vfod57gp2v2ua7@news.supernews.com>    DE500-BA  $55 or XA $50    David    --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St., Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.net    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 10:42:35 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 0 Subject: Re: Ethernet card for alphaserver 1000a= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0306270942.200e811b@posting.google.com>   ' "Mike" <not-for-mail@zanker.org> wrote: H > I've just acquired an Alphaserver 1000A 5/300 on which I'd like to runG > OpenVMS 7.3 with a hobbyist license. It came without an ethernet card H > so I'd be very grateful if someone could advise me of a compatible one	 > to buy.   8 The Alphaserver 1000A 5/300 Supported Options List is atP http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/as1000aev5/as1000aev5_options.html  E I bought three DE500-BA cards new-in-the-box last year for $10 each.  E Check eBay, or if you feel more comfortable with a guarantee, take up  David's offer.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 07:18:29 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and 3 Message-ID: <eqtj2jmaYXWa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3EFB62DE.9738E665@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  3 > Why doesn't DOS/Windows have some ISAM built-in ?   E    An MS Access data base makes a workable substitute for most of the B    desktop-only crowd.  IIRC Access has shipped with Windows since    NT (or earlier?).   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jun 2003 12:51:33 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)I Subject: Re: Hewlett-Packard said to be interested in buying software and 5 Message-ID: <bdhekl$ssuu2$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>   3 In article <eqtj2jmaYXWa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X > In article <3EFB62DE.9738E665@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > 4 >> Why doesn't DOS/Windows have some ISAM built-in ? > G >    An MS Access data base makes a workable substitute for most of the D >    desktop-only crowd.  IIRC Access has shipped with Windows since >    NT (or earlier?).  @ To the best of my knowledge, MS Access has always been an add-on? product and never provided as part of the OS.  While frequently ? included by OEM's like Gateway and Dell, it was not part of the  OS.   @ I have to admnit to being baffled by this discussion.  a DBMS is> a lot more than just an indexed file.  How would a simple ISAM> file system maintain all the relationships that are part of an> RDBMS?  The first DBMS I worked with was a Codasyl DB accessed= using COBOL on a UNISYS 1100 (which had a perfectly good ISAM > implementation).  The description of the data dictionary was a> book 3" thick.  I could not even begin to imagine trying to do< what it did using only an ISAM file system.  And that was 23> years ago.  I would imagine even that database has become even more complicated since then.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:31:01 GMT " From: Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca>& Subject: How do I turn on XFC caching?9 Message-ID: <Xns93A76AFB6B1EDfalkarcabca@205.233.108.180>   C The VMS 7.3 System Manager's Manual says about Extended File Cache   (XFC):F   This data cache is available on OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.3 and later,H   and is available only on OpenVMS Alpha. It provides better performanceD   and more capability than VIOC. XFC is the default cache on OpenVMS    Alpha Version 7.3 and later.    . However SHOW MEMORY/CACHE shows the following:E   Vols in Full XFC mode     0    Vols in VIOC Compatible mode      13 E   Vols in No Caching mode   0    Vols in Perm. No Caching mode      0   G Until a few months ago, the cluster included a VAX at 7.2, so this was  E expected.  Now the VAX is gone, but the caching mode is still VIOC.   1 Anybody got any idea why?  Or should I even care?    The cluster is!    AS DS20 6/500 running OVMS 7.3 '       (with SCSI controllers and disks)      AS 800 5/500 running OVMS 7.3'       (with SCSI controllers and disks)     DSSI bus with two HSD05's.   A    Sysgen parameter VCC_FLAGS is 2 (default, select XFC) on both   systems.   --  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:21:28 GMT 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>* Subject: Re: How do I turn on XFC caching?@ Message-ID: <bab30b31c786976025e09ff832c14c66@free.teranews.com>  9 In article <Xns93A76AFB6B1EDfalkarcabca@205.233.108.180>, $  Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> wrote:  E > The VMS 7.3 System Manager's Manual says about Extended File Cache   > (XFC):   > 0 > However SHOW MEMORY/CACHE shows the following:G >   Vols in Full XFC mode     0    Vols in VIOC Compatible mode      13 G >   Vols in No Caching mode   0    Vols in Perm. No Caching mode      0  > I > Until a few months ago, the cluster included a VAX at 7.2, so this was  G > expected.  Now the VAX is gone, but the caching mode is still VIOC.     H No it's not.  It's VIOC "compatible" mode, which I'm pretty sure is the H only XFC mode available at present.  There will probably be a "full XFC E mode" sometime in the future.  Be sure to be up-to-date on ECOs; the  H initial XFC in v7.3 had some serious problems, as did the first ECO for  it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:55:10 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? 6 Message-ID: <00A21FC6.D7AC8A2A@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  _ In article <fuOcnTVaMNPbCmajXTWJgA@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > 5 >"Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message ( >news:26JUN200319014842@gerg.tamu.edu...A >> In article <N9mdnazgLZfW2GajXTWJhg@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" # ><billtodd@metrocast.net> writes...  >> }7 >> }"Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in message - >> }news:vfmeuifpkvcpbc@corp.supernews.com...  >> }> JF Mezei wrote:  >> }> K >> }>   > Did HP port Linux to IA64 with its own money, or did it use Intel  >> }> money from >> }> > its porting fund ? >> }> % >> }> Why on earth would that matter?  >> }J >> }It would indicate which entity deserved credit for supporting Linux in >that 	 >> }area.  >> }
 >> }- bill >>H >> If Intel bought you a car which you than used, would the miles it wasB >> driven count as miles that you drove or miles that Intel drove? > B >If Intel gave me the car out of the goodness of its heart with noM >restrictions on its use, then I'd get credit for whatever I used it for.  If D >Intel gave me the car on the condition that I use it for a specificL >Intel-approved purpose (as is presumably the case with porting funds), thenM >Intel would control its use and get any credit derived therefrom even though  >I might be at the wheel.   K If Digital gave Linus Torvalds an early Alphastation for the purpose of his D porting Linux to it, should Digital get the credit, or should Linus?  O (It seems fairly obvious to me that Digital should get credit for providing the I equipment and Linus for doing the work, but maybe I'm missing something.)    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 03:12:34 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? 2 Message-ID: <giWdnS_HH4f1c2ajXTWJhQ@metrocast.net>  H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>A wrote in message news:00A21FC6.D7AC8A2A@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...    ...   I > If Digital gave Linus Torvalds an early Alphastation for the purpose of  his F > porting Linux to it, should Digital get the credit, or should Linus? > C > (It seems fairly obvious to me that Digital should get credit for 
 providing the K > equipment and Linus for doing the work, but maybe I'm missing something.)   I In that case the division of credit you describe is correct.  What you're K missing is that in order to make the analogy appropriate Digital would have L also *paid* Linus for doing the work, and hence would deserve the credit forE having caused it to happen (Linus would only get credit for, say, its  quality level).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:03:51 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? , Message-ID: <3EFBD037.3050701@tsoft-inc.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:   c > In article <N9mdnazgLZfW2GajXTWJhg@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes...  > } 6 > }"Greg Cagle" <gregc@gregcagle.com> wrote in message, > }news:vfmeuifpkvcpbc@corp.supernews.com... > }> JF Mezei wrote: > }>J > }>   > Did HP port Linux to IA64 with its own money, or did it use Intel > }> money from  > }> > its porting fund ?  > }>$ > }> Why on earth would that matter? > } N > }It would indicate which entity deserved credit for supporting Linux in that > }area. > } 	 > }- bill  > G > If Intel bought you a car which you than used, would the miles it was A > driven count as miles that you drove or miles that Intel drove?  > 
 > --- Carl >   9 If Intel bought me a car, then it's a no-brainer, I ride.   M If I have to pay for a car if I want one, then I may choose to not pay for a   car, and won't ride.  N Not really apples and apples, because while a car would seem to be desirable, * it's not sure that VMS is desirable to HP.  L Now if, and I stress if, because there's no proof that I've seen, Intel has N funded any part of the VMS port to IA-64, then continuing with the automobile P analogy, if you're walking down the road, and not for exercise, and Intel stops P and offers you a ride, how many will say "no thanks, I enjoy the pain", or some  such?   N I've got to note that JF's continued assertions don't make it so.  When Alpha M was 'murdered' (That's for Fred) there was talk of porting money from Intel.  L There were many lies coming from Compaq upper management, so who knows what  actually happened.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:34:24 +1000 1 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au>  Subject: Re: HP to drop hpux? , Message-ID: <3EFC0190.1020500@tg.nsw.gov.au>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: [snips]  >>>}> JF Mezei wrote:  [snips] C >>If Intel gave me the car out of the goodness of its heart with no N >>restrictions on its use, then I'd get credit for whatever I used it for.  IfE >>Intel gave me the car on the condition that I use it for a specific M >>Intel-approved purpose (as is presumably the case with porting funds), then N >>Intel would control its use and get any credit derived therefrom even though >>I might be at the wheel. >  > M > If Digital gave Linus Torvalds an early Alphastation for the purpose of his F > porting Linux to it, should Digital get the credit, or should Linus? > Q > (It seems fairly obvious to me that Digital should get credit for providing the K > equipment and Linus for doing the work, but maybe I'm missing something.)  > 	 > -- Alan  > - In a single word summary of JF and Alan: Both5  @ However the wording of the accreditation can be devious/dubious.   Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************l  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedv> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  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After all Digital/Compaq contributed to Linux P >> through John "MadDog" Hall. Hence the first port of Linux to a 64bit chip was >> to Alpha.E >> Thus although "classic" HP may not have had a lot to do with Linuxw! >> Compaq/Digital definitely did.r >> a >u4 >Yup but Alpha is a dead platform or soon to be dead/ >so the work done by Compaq isn't going to haveu$ >much impact on the Linux code base. >   J But the very fact it was the first port to a 64bit chip will have had someL impact on all later ports to 64 bit architectures. I'm also pretty sure thatM the the Alpha Linux project team made lots of other contributions to the baset! code other than the port itself. r  r  8 >Classic HP pre Carly might also have been a contributor6 >but in the get out of R&D (HP buys it doesn't invent): >climate that exists now its unlikely to be a contributor. >n  L I confess I don't know HP's plans for future work on Linux but if they stickE with "Compaq's plans of reference" then the quote from Dirk Hohndel ,n: chief technical officer at Suse which is displayed on the + "Linux and tru64 affinity program" webpage C1 might be an indicator of continued contributions.e  C http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/news/linux_affinity_0601.html    ":N SuSE and Compaq are working together in many areas to move Linux more into theN high-end of computing. Among the highlights in this cooperation is our work onO support for the NUMA architecture, as well as improvements to the scheduler and O other key kernel components to make it better utilize the enormous potential ofaG the AlphaServer GS systems. Having the ADK available enables us and ourmI customers to implement Linux based solutions for their high-end computinge needsa   Dirk Hohndel) Chief Technology Officer at SuSE Linux AG7 "nJ Now you may say that this is again on Alpha but such contributions to NUMAD support, scheduler etc are likely to feed into similar improvements  for other platforms as well.    O From a Marketing perspective HP seems (like most other big Hardware/OS vendors)5P to be actively promoting Linux - in contrast to their lack of marketing for VMS O (just to bring this back on subject for comp.os.vms). Hence I would expect that O they will be continuing to provide input into Linux as will those other vendors  you mention.     >Regards >Andrew Harrison >> h
 >> David Webbd >> VMS and Unix team leaderr >> CCSSt >> Middlesex Universityh >> b >> a >> r >> d= >>>It is also not obvious that HP could have that much impact = >>>anyway. The current Linux kernel change process appears toE= >>>have a lot of bottlenecks, IBM for example have complainedb: >>>that they havn't been getting responses to changes that >>>they have been posting.  N To some extent this is inevitable. Linus is trying to hold together the KernelK the last thing he wants is for Linux to fragment in the way that the early  3 Unix systems did into lots of incompatible kernels.      >>>r> >>>SGI who have been working on getting Linux to scale on IA64A >>>based systems for some time have be spectacularly unsucessfull ? >>>for OS intensive commercial workloads, getting a 13x speedupc@ >>>with a 28 way system on a workload that should scale linearly >>>is dreadfull. >>>s
 >>>Regards >>>Andrew Harrison >>>e >> ' >I   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:08:46 -0400-2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)C Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise CustomerssL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2706030608460001@user-uinj483.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <yXFKa.38687$bRt.24896@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,$ "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:    G >I notice that Keith Parris didn't take me up on my legitimate offer toeF >work up some advertising copy last weekend to lay on carly's doorstepE >on Monday morning, a la 'I've worked with them all and nothing is aseG >robust for DR as OpenVMS'. If potential customers can believe the lies-F >Microsoft tells, there's hope that they could become convinced by the5 >truth of VMS excellence if they only heard about it.N  H The last time I spoke to Keith, he did NOT work in HP marketing, nor wasA he in the vicinity of Carly's doorstep.  They don't give Keith an J advertising budget. So how is he supposed to help you in your quest?  Send Carly an email like this:j  G "Hi Carly.  I'm not one of your Marketing people, but this really smartsI guy on the internet, who uses a fake name, gave me an idea for a VMS ad. iF I've checked all the facts and the ad is legitimate.  Could you pleaseJ allocate a few hundred grand to put it in a bunch of magazines and on TV? I The guy with the fake name promises to start buying HP stuff, like Marvel @ systems or maybe an ink cartridge, as soon as he sees these ads.   Keith Parris."  F I can't imagine why Keith didn't take you up on your legitimate offer.  J Good Grief!  What's happening to me?  Now I'm conversing with an imaginary" person.  Is your real name Harvey?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:20:15 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)C Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customers L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2706030620160001@user-uinj483.dialup.mindspring.com>  > In article <O5icnRZzWLrg3majXTWJig@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:i  @ >"Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageG >news:rdeininger-2606030631360001@user-uinj4di.dialup.mindspring.com...r6 >> In article <3EFAA00D.22E3C09D@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews" >> <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote: >> >>F >> >Serious suggestion time: For the next edition, you need an articleK >> >describing what OpenVMS does, a reliable, secure backroom server systemi& >> >that you can bet your business on. >>M >> Does this magazine have any contact info for the editor?  You don't expectcD >> anyone to act on your suggestion if you only post it here, right? > M >"Post here, get an answer here" is a time-honored tradition.  Keith seems toeJ >have taken it upon himself to be a VMS (and often a general HP) advocate,J >hence one might expect him to be interested in passing on such comments -1 >possibly increasing their weight in the process.   F That's just the point.  Suggestions and complaints from customers haveH MORE weight than comments from an HP person with an obvious ax to grind.  M >> Even if Keith or Sue or someone else in HP sees your suggestion and passes0L >> it along, I expect it would go in the folder marked "comments from people5 >> who couldn't be bothered to send their own email."f >9M >In other words, pretty much the same reaction that VMS's owners usually havemM >for comments offered directly.  Another good reason for giving it to someoneo4 >who might actually be motivated to follow up on it.  F Here's my point:  if an HP communication has a feedback mechanism, youI ought to start by using that mechanism.  The comments get directly to therJ spot where someone can act on them.  If a dozen people take the trouble toE email requests on the same topic, an editor will usually take notice.   J Newsgroups, especially this one, are pretty useless for getting your point
 across to HP.-  I Sending your indignant complaints to Carly, Peter, Scott, Rich, Mark, anddG the whole BOD likely gets you ignored as a crank.  If one of them takesrH you seriously, he'll have to route your message back down the food chainC to the magazine editor you should have contacted directly.  There'sv6 another ten or so chances for the message to get lost.  I By all means, continue to rant here.  But send specific suggestions (like-A magazine topics) to the correct, requested contact point wheneverr	 possible.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:28:45 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>iC Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise CustomersrF Message-ID: <1MWKa.1270$2ay.1147@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message1F news:rdeininger-2706030608460001@user-uinj483.dialup.mindspring.com... > In article= <yXFKa.38687$bRt.24896@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,i& > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >m >yF > >I notice that Keith Parris didn't take me up on my legitimate offer to? > >work up some advertising copy last weekend to lay on carly'ss doorstepD > >on Monday morning, a la 'I've worked with them all and nothing is asD > >robust for DR as OpenVMS'. If potential customers can believe the liesD > >Microsoft tells, there's hope that they could become convinced by thee7 > >truth of VMS excellence if they only heard about it.  >cF > The last time I spoke to Keith, he did NOT work in HP marketing, nor washC > he in the vicinity of Carly's doorstep.  They don't give Keith anTF > advertising budget. So how is he supposed to help you in your quest?  C So in The New HP all thought ends with the proverbial " it's not myt department" excuse?   B In some companies there is such a thing called 'initiative', or is  that frowned upon in The New HP?C Do people at The New HP get fired for using initiative or trying tooD come up with ideas which display the company's products and services= with greater visibility to current and *potential* customers?hD Or is initiative only allowed in the printer ink and toner division?  
 Just curious.s  D Where I used to work long ago, if I came up against an impediment toE progress with my immediate boss or his boss, I simply went to the COO C or the CEO and detailed what I thought.  Worked wonders because theuF CEO and COO were both focused on the bottom line, not protecting turf.D Are you saying that carly isn't focused on the bottom line and wouldC not appreciate hearing about ideas that could make the company moredD money and stealing customers from the ranks of dissatisfied unix andE Windows users? Maybe she's more insulated from the goings on than youP> might think by people who are trying to protect turf, careers,B pensions, or so wrapped up in the dogma they've been chanting thatE they will lose too much 'face' if they say they've been wrong. It's a3 possibility.    B BTW, I would have taken the initiative to send carly the resultingB work. I have nothing to fear from her or those subordinate to her.        > Send Carly an email like this: >iC > "Hi Carly.  I'm not one of your Marketing people, but this reallyt smartuF > guy on the internet, who uses a fake name, gave me an idea for a VMS ad. A > I've checked all the facts and the ad is legitimate.  Could you  pleaseD > allocate a few hundred grand to put it in a bunch of magazines and on TV?D > The guy with the fake name promises to start buying HP stuff, like MarvelB > systems or maybe an ink cartridge, as soon as he sees these ads. > Keith Parris." >uA > I can't imagine why Keith didn't take you up on your legitimatet offer.  D Keith is the source of the statement I suggested working with. If itB was just a 'throw-away' statement then I can understand that thereF would be no interest in seeing VMS promoted with that statement as theE 'core' of an advertisement. On the other hand, if the statement was ad= deeply held belief backed by years of experience and factual,oE verifiable results, then why not use it in a way that bring VMS widern? recognition and potential for increased sales to new customers?   F Oh...I forgot...HP has no intention of advertising VMS (as sources I'm. certain you'd consider to be reliable report).    B > Good Grief!  What's happening to me?  Now I'm conversing with an	 imaginaryt$ > person.  Is your real name Harvey?  F No, but if you ask nicely we can correspond off-line as others here inB c.o.v have found out. I have no quarrel with you, Keith, or indeed! most people at HP/Compaq/Digital.   B However I do have issue with a series of management types, who for: years have neglected the effective promotion of VMS in theE marketplace.This neglect has directly or indirectly caused many of myeB customers to bolt to Solaris and other operating systems, which inF most instances has resulted in many non-billable support issues that ID have had to deal with (in the real world there are some customers toC whom you cannot send an invoice to for certain matters, even if the @ problem is the result of *their* choice of operating systems and4 inability to keep their systems operating reliably).    ; P.S. I'm not six feet tall, and I never knew Jimmy Stewart.i   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 13:19:19 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>C Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise CustomersfK Message-ID: <Beatings-Continue-Til-Morale-Improves.20030627_01@nowhere.nil>e  H On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:? >In article <O5icnRZzWLrg3majXTWJig@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"f  ><billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:   <snip>  N >>"Post here, get an answer here" is a time-honored tradition.  Keith seems toK >>have taken it upon himself to be a VMS (and often a general HP) advocate,lK >>hence one might expect him to be interested in passing on such comments - 2 >>possibly increasing their weight in the process. >sG >That's just the point.  Suggestions and complaints from customers haveeI >MORE weight than comments from an HP person with an obvious ax to grind.a  G I've heard quite enough stories about HP, and Compaq before them, beingaJ downright difficult with customers who want VMS software/services.  UnlessH there is some top-secret masterplan to market the hell out of VMS once aK non-beta/EAK/porter's kit for Itanium is available, it looks like trying torM get the operating system's profile raised is pretty much like trying to rob av bank with a banana.    <snip>  G >Here's my point:  if an HP communication has a feedback mechanism, yousJ >ought to start by using that mechanism.  The comments get directly to theK >spot where someone can act on them.  If a dozen people take the trouble tonF >email requests on the same topic, an editor will usually take notice.  L Unless their hands are tied with regard to pushing a product.  Remember whatN happened to the NT comparison thing on openvms.compaq.com?  I don't think that6 even lasted a day - and it was good advertising copy.   K >Newsgroups, especially this one, are pretty useless for getting your pointl >across to HP.  I If HP haven't got the message yet, they've got an airgap firewall between-L sensory inputs and brain.  That or the only reason senior management's heads9 don't implode is because of the two short planks inside. e  J >Sending your indignant complaints to Carly, Peter, Scott, Rich, Mark, andH >the whole BOD likely gets you ignored as a crank.  If one of them takesI >you seriously, he'll have to route your message back down the food chaineD >to the magazine editor you should have contacted directly.  There's7 >another ten or so chances for the message to get lost.'  M If any of the above takes one (out of the god-only-knows-how-many) complaints N seriously it would be an end to the problem.  You don't need to wear a tinfoilF hat to find the "VMS' Death by Neglect" conspiracy theory compelling.   J >By all means, continue to rant here.  But send specific suggestions (likeB >magazine topics) to the correct, requested contact point whenever
 >possible.  L Newsgroups are a good barometer for the opinion of those "at the sharp end",L I'm glad you're not one of those suggesting people shut up, and please don'tN take any of the above personally Robert.  I just needed to vent a little aboutF this.  Personally I know of numerous sites where VMS boxes are sittingN gathering dust for no reason other than the official (i.e. nonexistent) public profile of VMS.      Doc. --  M OpenVMS.           Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.J   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 13:28:32 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>C Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customersp6 Message-ID: <20030627132832.11419.qmail@nym.alias.net>  9 On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:t  G >No, but if you ask nicely we can correspond off-line as others here inrC >c.o.v have found out. I have no quarrel with you, Keith, or indeedo" >most people at HP/Compaq/Digital.  J Yes... Eventually.  What a big surprise tho, I couldn't get mail from JohnC until a VMS system was added to the equation.  Reliability anyone? e     Doc. --  K OpenVMS.         Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:31:18 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>tC Subject: Re: New Business View Magazine for HP Enterprise Customerst& Message-ID: <3EFC6346.FE0AE7A@fsi.net>   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:r > J > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:A > >In article <O5icnRZzWLrg3majXTWJig@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"d" > ><billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: >  > <snip> > P > >>"Post here, get an answer here" is a time-honored tradition.  Keith seems toM > >>have taken it upon himself to be a VMS (and often a general HP) advocate,aM > >>hence one might expect him to be interested in passing on such comments -o4 > >>possibly increasing their weight in the process. > > I > >That's just the point.  Suggestions and complaints from customers haveeK > >MORE weight than comments from an HP person with an obvious ax to grind.  > I > I've heard quite enough stories about HP, and Compaq before them, beingaL > downright difficult with customers who want VMS software/services.  UnlessJ > there is some top-secret masterplan to market the hell out of VMS once aM > non-beta/EAK/porter's kit for Itanium is available, it looks like trying toeO > get the operating system's profile raised is pretty much like trying to rob a' > bank with a banana.h  D Well, there was a piece on the radio the other morning about a "dumbH crook" who tried to hold up a pharmacy using only his black-gloved hand,D his index finger extended like a gun barrel, and thumb raised like aC cocked hammer. He was later caught at a nearby friend's house, even 0 though he'd worn a ski mask during the incident.   -- i David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:26:36 -0400G, From: "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com>& Subject: Non-Chinese computer hardware/ Message-ID: <vfoaivc65pvr58@news.supernews.com>-  0 Walmart, Compaq,HP IBM, Sun the list is endless.  J Anyhow, the reason for my post is the question:  What Computer hardware is NOT made in China ?pJ I guess even Intel is guilty of export of technology production, maybe not# in mainland China but close enough.>  
 Comments ?   --   David B Turner Island Computers US Corporationl 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180h Savannah GA 31404. Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0402o Email: dbturner@hpaq.net http://www.hpaq.nete   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:30:28 -0400p) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>/4 Subject: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)9 Message-ID: <rXVKa.6896$OE2.817794@news20.bellglobal.com>f  M Note that a full set of the Ottawa seminar (2003.06.25 + 26) slides and powereJ point presentations is going to be published at either one of the two URLs
 listed below.    http://www.canacu.org/) http://www.communitywerke.com/seminar.htm:  	 * * * * *P   VMS 7.2-2 Teasers:  / 1. will probably be released in October of 2003m  H 2. If you saw a speed-up going from VMS 7.3 to VMS 7.3-1 then you'll seeD another going to VMS 7.3-2. Many internal threads were serialized byL spin-locking on IOLOCK8 but these threads will now use their own spin-locks.  > 3. Interrupts will now be supported on CPUs other than CPU #0.  I 4. Multi-adapter support is being added to many modules. For example, LAN-M failure can be avoided by using multiple NICs (BTW, this is available in somen other 3rd party products)P  ! 5. $SET/SHOW SHADOW (new command)g  7 6. SYS$GETRMI is a new call to monitor system internalsd  ; 7. support for parameters WSMAX + BALSETCNT will be removed>  	 * * * * *e   IA-64 Port:c  ; 1. More than 50 internal VMS modules already work on IA-64.3  J 2. I did some keyboarding on an IA-64 VMS system which was part of a mixedJ architecture cluster which included Alpha and VAX. (They repeatedly statedK that they wont support clusters between VAX and IA-64 unless there was someAJ customer demand for it; but it seemed they have already had achieved basic functionality)  ; 3. I personally tried $MCR SDA, $SHOW SYSTEM, $SHOW MEMORY,dI $SET HOST, and $EDIT/EDT (in both line and screen modes). They all seemedD to work properly.t  	 * * * * *    VMS 8.0 and beyond:   M 1. When DEC began the Alpha port they started with a snap shot of VAX VMS 5.4eI which continued to evolve. Later, bug fixes and feature changes in either H platform needed to be moved to the other which was a huge duplication ofJ effort. Some time after this (the date wasn't given) they decided to use aG common code base to generate s/w for both platforms (plenty of "IF DEF" K conditionals). When they started the Itanium port they began by adding moreMN conditionals to the common code base which means that all three platforms will be easily sync'd in the future.s  E 1a. VMS 8.0 will be an IA-64 only release for "internal use" and ISVsm  M 1b. VMS 8.1 will be an IA-64 only release for "early adopters" and "preferredh customers".e  M 1c. VMS 8.2 will be released on all three platforms simultaneously (some timed in 2004)  	 * * * * *-   VMS Application Software:   J 1. H-P requires that their partners develop products for all H-P operatingK systems. This means that an ISV wanting to develop for HP-UX and LINUX will2H now be required to develop for OpenVMS as well. This will help to dispelL myths like H-P wants to kill VMS and/or there are no apps available for VMS.  F 2. There are currently 3000 ISVs developing 5000 OpenVMS applications.  	 * * * * *n   EV7 and Marvel:b  M 1. This thing is fast, fast, fast. I couldn't help thinking that this was theeI company's insurance policy against more IA-64 delays and heat problems atmK Intel. My intuition tells me that this h/w platform will be around for some 
 time to come.P    	 * * * * *   
 Good news:  N OpenVMS business is growing 12-15% each year. It seems to be really taking offN in Europe were many head offices were impressed by their American subsidiaries< who managed to keep running right through the 9/11 disaster.  	 * * * * *n   Seminar Free Stuff:w  I Besides the usual key chains, pens, screw drivers, mouse pads, and coffeetI mugs, they also gave away an iPaq, several "VMS Internals" manuals, and a N subscription to "Shannon Knows HP". Every attendee also received a copy of the "hobbyist CD-ROM".  	 * * * * *-  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:26:12 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)5 Message-ID: <bdhdme$t6mj5$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>   ' On 27-Jun-2003 13:30, Neil Rieck wrote:r   > [...]0 >  > VMS Application Software:  > L > 1. H-P requires that their partners develop products for all H-P operatingM > systems. This means that an ISV wanting to develop for HP-UX and LINUX willeJ > now be required to develop for OpenVMS as well. This will help to dispelN > myths like H-P wants to kill VMS and/or there are no apps available for VMS. >  > [...]:  E That could be interpreted differently: HP-UX might lose applications.l   Michael    -- V  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.s= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)t   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:30:18 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) 8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)+ Message-ID: <bdhdcq$bc7$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>i  e In article <rXVKa.6896$OE2.817794@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  >VMS Application Software: > K >1. H-P requires that their partners develop products for all H-P operating L >systems. This means that an ISV wanting to develop for HP-UX and LINUX willI >now be required to develop for OpenVMS as well. This will help to dispel.M >myths like H-P wants to kill VMS and/or there are no apps available for VMS.d >t   What does this actually mean ?N It certainly can't mean that every application developed for one OS has to be M provided by that vendor on all HP OSs. Each OS will have it's unique features<L hence for instance a defragmenter vendor for VMS would probably have a hard F time selling a similar product for HP-UX because of differences in how the file system is designed.    J Does it just mean that an HP-UX vendor must provide one token application  running on VMS ?  M Does it mean that HP will insist that all Oracle applications are ported back>F to VMS or just that VMS will continue to support the Oracle database ?    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    G >2. There are currently 3000 ISVs developing 5000 OpenVMS applications.  >    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 07:48:59 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)3 Message-ID: <2BFUsUjnPa8N@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <rXVKa.6896$OE2.817794@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:n  L > 2. I did some keyboarding on an IA-64 VMS system which was part of a mixedL > architecture cluster which included Alpha and VAX. (They repeatedly statedM > that they wont support clusters between VAX and IA-64 unless there was someuL > customer demand for it; but it seemed they have already had achieved basic > functionality)  @    Extactly the kind of demo I as expecting to see.  Good stuff.   >  > VMS Application Software:= > L > 1. H-P requires that their partners develop products for all H-P operatingM > systems. This means that an ISV wanting to develop for HP-UX and LINUX willCJ > now be required to develop for OpenVMS as well. This will help to dispelN > myths like H-P wants to kill VMS and/or there are no apps available for VMS.  >    Best move from a VMS owner I've seen in a long, long, time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:11:52 -0400d) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>p8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)9 Message-ID: <FoXKa.5742$Fe3.930044@news20.bellglobal.com>C  I In my haste this morning, the label "VMS 7.2-2 Teasers:" should read "VMSU 7.3-2 Teasers:"     Neil Rieck  Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,a Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/,   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:36:26 GMTo6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)@ Message-ID: <b6c9b9f70df30e6f0a4b505988887184@free.teranews.com>  + In article <bdhdcq$bc7$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>,n-  david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote:a  I > In article <rXVKa.6896$OE2.817794@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck"    > <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > >VMS Application Software: > >gM > >1. H-P requires that their partners develop products for all H-P operating-N > >systems. This means that an ISV wanting to develop for HP-UX and LINUX willK > >now be required to develop for OpenVMS as well. This will help to dispelfO > >myths like H-P wants to kill VMS and/or there are no apps available for VMS.a > >t >   > What does this actually mean ?P > It certainly can't mean that every application developed for one OS has to be ) > provided by that vendor on all HP OSs. >  H You missed the word "partner."  I think it just means the big boys like F BEA and Oracle will have to provide their product on all HP platforms H if they want to maintain partner status.  Obviously there will be a lot . of ISVs who have no partner agreement with HP.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:38:56 +0000 (UTC)u+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)a8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)+ Message-ID: <bdhktv$c13$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>n  y In article <b6c9b9f70df30e6f0a4b505988887184@free.teranews.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> writes:t, >In article <bdhdcq$bc7$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>,. > david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote: >tJ >> In article <rXVKa.6896$OE2.817794@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" ! >> <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:a >> >VMS Application Software:p >> >N >> >1. H-P requires that their partners develop products for all H-P operatingO >> >systems. This means that an ISV wanting to develop for HP-UX and LINUX williL >> >now be required to develop for OpenVMS as well. This will help to dispelP >> >myths like H-P wants to kill VMS and/or there are no apps available for VMS. >> > >> t! >> What does this actually mean ? Q >> It certainly can't mean that every application developed for one OS has to be a* >> provided by that vendor on all HP OSs.  >rI >You missed the word "partner."  I think it just means the big boys like  G >BEA and Oracle will have to provide their product on all HP platforms tI >if they want to maintain partner status.  Obviously there will be a lot -/ >of ISVs who have no partner agreement with HP.0  N Yes I did miss the word "partner". However the question still stands does thisL mean that Oracle as an HP partner will start porting back it's applications M to VMS or is it just the status quo ie VMS has the backend database (90 day's L after the Tru64 port - is that now 90 day's after the HP-UX port ?) but noneK of the Oracle apps. VMS was consigned to just being the third tier backend eN database by Compaq and Digital (in it's last days) and Oracle on VMS has been  dying ever since.r    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex university   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 10:46:09 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Seminar Highlights (some)3 Message-ID: <hUE6aGh8$g4J@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  \ In article <bdhdme$t6mj5$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:) > On 27-Jun-2003 13:30, Neil Rieck wrote:o >  >> [...] >> i >> VMS Application Software: >>  M >> 1. H-P requires that their partners develop products for all H-P operatingeN >> systems. This means that an ISV wanting to develop for HP-UX and LINUX willK >> now be required to develop for OpenVMS as well. This will help to dispelmO >> myths like H-P wants to kill VMS and/or there are no apps available for VMS.i >> e >> [...] > G > That could be interpreted differently: HP-UX might lose applications.e  @ Or VMS might; in particular those applications that rely on RMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 05:45:47 -0700, From: vinit.adya@mizuhocbus.com (Vinit Adya)' Subject: Re: physical drive replacementd= Message-ID: <eb8f4d7b.0306270445.533efe74@posting.google.com>n  ? There is no need to shutdown the node! Afterall its a VMS node.e  B You could access the HSD10 right from VMS while its up an running.  6 SET HOST /DUP /SERVER=MSCP$DUP /TASK=PARAMS <HSD Name>  5 alternatively you could try /TASK=DIRECT or /TASK=CLIt  C Different HSD models works with different tasks. Works with so many , that i forget the exact HSD10 implimentation  2 In case you get a error about FYDRIVER not loaded:  . $ MCR SYSGEN CONN FYA0:/NOADAP/DRIVER=FYDRIVER   Hope this helps :)   Cheers,u
 Vinit Adya   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:04:11 +0200 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ; Subject: Re: SET HOST/LAT and cut and paste with DECwindowsr; Message-ID: <01KXLDDX87RMAM67GX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>>  K > > While I'm on the topic: I always use a VT320 as the console.  I usually>H > > use a DEC423 cable.  This has always worked fine.  On a new (for me)L > > VAX, however, the keyboard input isn't even echoed properly until a SET G > > TERM/INQUIRE is done.  However, SET HOST/LAT or TELNET to the same hG > > machine will set things aright.  I'm pretty sure that the terminal  < > > itself is set up the same as my other console terminals. > C > Hold it...  You try to log in on the console terminal (OPA0:) andnH > echoing doesn't work until you log into the system with a set host/latF > or telnet from another system?  Or do you mean you type blind at theD > console to log in and then "telnet localhost" or "set host/lat 0",6 > and then the console seems to start working right?     It IS echoed, but not PROPERLY.u   > In the 1st case,A > something is really bogus since login in should only affect the L > terminal you are using.  In the second case, it points to a "SET TERM/INQ"C > or explicit "SET TERM/xxx" in login.com or sys$sylogin that don'tnK > always get executed when they should.  (Maybe improper conditionalizationlF > that is supposed to prevent them from being executed in batch and/orC > network server processes, that is mistakenly also excluding othero > interactive logins?)  ) Could be something like this; I'll check.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:24:51 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>! Subject: Re: SIMH V3.0-0 releasedo5 Message-ID: <bdhc72$so755$1@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>i  . On 27-Jun-2003 05:43, Martin Vorlaender wrote:   > [...]8 > I > [.PDP11]PDP11_RQ.C has a table of the disks' geometry, including numbera > of logical blocks.   Thanks!e   To quote the relevant part:   2 >    The RQDX3 supports multiple disk drive types: > ' >    type	sec	surf	cyl	tpg	gpc	RCT	LBNsA > 	i >    RX50	10	1	80	5	16	-	800 >    RX33	15	2	80	2	1	-	2400! >    RD51	18	4	306	4	1	36*4	21600b  >    RD31	17	4	615	4	1	3*8	41560  >    RD52	17	8	512	8	1	4*8	60480" >    RD53	17	7	1024	7	1	5*8	138672$ >    RD54	17	15	1225	15	1	7*8	311200 > @ >    The simulator also supports larger drives that only existed? >    on SDI controllers.  XBN, DBN, RCTS and RCTC are not knowna: >    for the SDI drives and are not used by the simulator: > % >    RA82	57	15	1435	15	1	?*8	1216665 & >    RA72	51	20	1921?	20	1	?*8	1953300% >    RA90	69	13	2656	13	1	?*8	2376153p% >    RA92	73	13	3101	13	1	?*8	2940951g   MichaelS   -- s  @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.m= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:37:21 +0200s$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>! Subject: Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released>5 Message-ID: <bdhc73$so755$2@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>d  ( On 27-Jun-2003 06:10, John Santos wrote:  + > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Michael Unger wrote:n >  > [...]n > $ >> > 	SET RQn RD51		set type to RD51F > 10MB??  (From memory - everything else is from various old DECDirect > catalogs.) > $ >> > 	SET RQn RD52		set type to RD52 > 31MB > $ >> > 	SET RQn RD53		set type to RD53 > 71MB > $ >> > 	SET RQn RD54		set type to RD54 > 159MBt > $ >> > 	SET RQn RD31		set type to RD31 > 20MB > $ >> > 	SET RQn RA82		set type to RA82 > 622MBr > $ >> > 	SET RQn RA72		set type to RA72 > 1GB  > $ >> > 	SET RQn RA90		set type to RA90 > 1.2GBr > $ >> > 	SET RQn RA92		set type to RA92 > 1.5GBf   Thanks!s  C Does anybody know if there is a 1 GB limitation for the system diske. using SIMH as it is with some VAX-3100 models?   Michael.   --    @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system.i= And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)s   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 14:31:22 +0200C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)X! Subject: Re: SIMH V3.0-0 released.- Message-ID: <3efc391a$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>s  C In article <bdhc73$so755$2@ID-152801.news.dfncis.de>, Michael Ungere <unger@decus.de> writes:* |>On 27-Jun-2003 06:10, John Santos wrote: |>- |>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Michael Unger wrote:e   snip  	 |>> 1.5GB  |>	 |>Thanks!a |>E |>Does anybody know if there is a 1 GB limitation for the system disk-0 |>using SIMH as it is with some VAX-3100 models?  $ NO! This was a SCSI-problem (read6).   eberhard   |>	 |>Michaelb |> |>--   |>B |>Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityC |>Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. ? |>And don't annoy me <mailto:postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> please ;-)s |> |>   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 07:19:06 -0700! From: dteja@cerner.com (Dan Teja) : Subject: Strange behavior of Backup/ign=inter on VMS 7.3-1< Message-ID: <7df4bb52.0306270619.7db06c1@posting.google.com>  D Summary: On openVMS 7.3-1 if I do backup/ign=inter on a file that isD locked by another user. When I unpack the save set the modified date$ is different from the original file.  E If I do the same thing on 7.3 the modified date doesn't change. Why? a  	 Example: a   $ dir/date=(c,m) my_file.dat      Directory $1$dga200:[user.teja]   > MY_FILE.DAT;1 10-FEB-2003 16:38:02.49 26-JUN-2003 12:44:06.65    Total of 1 file.      3 $ backup/log/ign=inter my_file.dat my_file.bck/sav  D %BACKUP-W-ACCONFLICT, $1$dga200:[user.teja]my_file.DAT;1 is open for write by another user < %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied $1$dga200:[USER.TEJA]MY_FILE.DAT;1   3 $ backup/log my_file.bck/sav $1$dga300:[backup]*.* i; %BACKUP-S-CREATED, created $1$dga300:[backup]MY_FILE.DAT;1 T  1 $ backup/log my_file.bck/sav $1$dga300:[backup]* .  / $ dir/date=(c,m) $1$dga300:[backup]my_file.dat d   Directory $1$dga300:[BACKUP] w  > MY_FILE.DAT;1 10-FEB-2003 16:38:02.49 25-JUN-2003 18:31:18.94    Total of 1 file. F $    Thanks,  d.t. 1   Dan Teja   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:34:22 +0100F, From: Adrian Birkett <aaa@notreallyhere.com> Subject: Re: SWXCRMGR Update1 Message-ID: <3EFC1DAE.B964C529@notreallyhere.com>t   Carl Perkins wrote:e  3 > David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes... 3 > }On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:51, Adrian Birkett wrote:o	 > }> All,eM > }> I agree with the customer that this cannot be normal behaviour, however, I > }> I am using TNG Console Manager with the serial line connected into abM > }> terminal server and over the network as the box is in Holland and I'm inn > }> the UK. > }> > }> Ade > }sL > }I remember my first use of the swxcrmgr utility running on a VT terminal.F > }After about the 10% stage you could see what it was doing to updateG > }the screen which must have been doing an update after every I/O.  ItoH > }got slower and slower.  You could see the cursor going crazy all overF > }screen.  Doing the same thing using a graphics monitor the time was; > }about 40 minutes as opposed to about 12 hours on the VT.e, > }An absolutely dreadful piece of software. > }w > }Regards,h > }Dave. >mG > Which brings up the question of what communication speed his terminalw > is set to use. >mJ > If it is something unusually slow, like 4800 bps or lower since 9600 bpsI > is generally the "normal" speed, then that (in conjuntion with the verymM > poor design of the software) could explain why it is taking him even longerp > than everybody else. >iG > Simply doubling the communication speed setting of the terminal couldsC > cut the time in half, unless there are serious bottlenecks in histI > network connection as well. Likewise for quadrupling it to cut the timet > by a factor of 4.h >h
 > --- Carl  N The console port is set to the usual 9600. Unfortunately, I would have to stop9 the procedure to change it - not an option at this stage.z  O By the way, we're almost there now with the last two sets reporting 92 and 85%.    Cheers,s   Adeg   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:06:14 -0400i  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>) Subject: Re: Testing network on a clusterr5 Message-ID: <1030627003953.2835H-100000@Ives.egh.com>   $ On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, JF Mezei wrote:   > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:K > > What about using distributed locks to control the synchrozing and sinceD > > their in a cluster,w > M > I think i would prefer to write this in DCL, so locks would be more or less>K > out of the question. (Hey, what about a lexical giving access to the locks > manager ?)  H Kent Gabrin wrote a pair of Macro-32 programs that he (or someone else?)F posted to c.o.v several years ago.  I'm sure a google search will find them.   B ENQUEUE queues a lock and proceeds when granted.  DEQUEUE dequeuesB the lock.  The lock can be called anything you want.  It is queuedC in Supervisor mode, so it persists across image activation/rundown.o  @ It appears to predate Alpha, but I made it work on Alpha by justG adding an alignment (,LONG) to the .PSECT directive for the DATA psect, = and a whole bunch of .align longs until the macro-32 compilerh stopped complaining.  A You need CMEXEC and SYSLCK privs to use it.  (I suppose you couldiC install it with those privs, but I wouldn't since I don't know whatg> if anything it does to prevent you from locking or releasing aB system-owned SUPER mode lock, and thus wreaking havoc.  I only useB it in trusted com files (that I wrote myself) which are running in< trusted accounts, and enable/disable CMEXEC priv around it.)  B To be safe for general use, you could probably prefix the resourceC names it uses with a fixed facility string, unused by anything elsetB in the system, such as "EQDQ_", only allow system wide locks if heA has SYSLCK priv (needs a /SYSTEM qualifier), and muck around withoH resource domains so the user can't touch any locks he isn't entitled to.  4 > > I presume you have DECnet up and running, so youC > > could do remote network tasking and pass tokens between the twoo > M > Yep, Hadn't thought about that. The advantage of SYSMAN over DECNET is thatgM > SYSMAN takes care of running the 2 processes at the same time and returningoP > control to me once both are done. If I do this with DECNET, it is a bit harder$ > to have both run at the same time.   --   John Santosd Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 07:22:47 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n) Subject: Re: Testing network on a clusterc3 Message-ID: <gMz8eyFbgmUn@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  V In article <3EFB81DF.E16D1596@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:J >> What about using distributed locks to control the synchrozing and since >> their in a cluster, > M > I think i would prefer to write this in DCL, so locks would be more or lesseK > out of the question. (Hey, what about a lexical giving access to the locka > manager ?)  H    So write yourself a little ditty which sets locks in supervisor mode.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:59:12 +0200 (MET)P9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a) Subject: Re: Testing network on a clusters; Message-ID: <01KXLD90T8QQAM67GX@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r  ; >  Since my goal is to have a lights out resilient system, s    > With 2 machines in the cluster   Do you have a quorum disk?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:03:19 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e) Subject: Re: Testing network on a cluster ' Message-ID: <3EFC6AC7.25AC02FA@fsi.net>    John Santos wrote: > & > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, JF Mezei wrote: >  > > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:M > > > What about using distributed locks to control the synchrozing and since. > > > their in a cluster,r > >gO > > I think i would prefer to write this in DCL, so locks would be more or lessGM > > out of the question. (Hey, what about a lexical giving access to the lockn > > manager ?) > J > Kent Gabrin wrote a pair of Macro-32 programs that he (or someone else?)H > posted to c.o.v several years ago.  I'm sure a google search will find > them.o > D > ENQUEUE queues a lock and proceeds when granted.  DEQUEUE dequeuesD > the lock.  The lock can be called anything you want.  It is queuedE > in Supervisor mode, so it persists across image activation/rundown.d > B > It appears to predate Alpha, but I made it work on Alpha by justI > adding an alignment (,LONG) to the .PSECT directive for the DATA psect,h? > and a whole bunch of .align longs until the macro-32 compilert > stopped complaining.  ' You can find the old DCLLCK archive at:v- http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/dcllck.zipo  F You may want to make the edits John mentioned. Then again, the MACRO32E (AMAC, actually) messages are Informationals; so, dunno if the imagestE will cause problems or not. Didn't try 'em, just ran the BUILD.COM to0G make sure it produced images. There were no link-time messages. You canBG set up a LINK symbol (or extend yours) to include /MAP and check it out- if you're concerned.  - Dunno where I found this back in '99 or so...n   -- r David J. Dachterag dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:53:07 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> Subject: Re: TK50 Need Help . Message-ID: <3EFC1403.4956.16A3D5F7@localhost>  I > 2) Can anyone direct me to a service that can read it for me? Southern eK > California would be a real pluss. The tape is suddenly precious and they a > don't want it out of site.  F I can come to your site and migrate the data, or you can use a secure C courier service (or yourself) to come here to Ohio for migration.   F Call me at 614-868-1363 if you can't find someone more local.  Please  look at:  '    http://www.stanq.com/conversion.html     http://www.stanq.com   
 --Stan Quaylee Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671r1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147t= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comt   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:58:44 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)e/ Subject: Re: Username/passwords for SMTP Servert+ Message-ID: <bdh814$apd$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>,  V In article <3EFB6844.EE528718@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:E >This subject has come up before, but for me, it comes up in reverse.v >cN >I don't need my SMTP server to authenticate itself to some other SMTP server.I >However, I would like to have the ability to have a remote SMTP "server"yT >authenticate itself to my SMTP server which would then enable relaying of messages. >rO >Think : employee at home connecting to work systems and using that SMTP servereN >to deliver message to both intra and inter-nets. User would then authenticateM >himself to the VMS SMTP server which would grant him access to relaying (ande< >no spam blocks because his IP may be a dialup address etc). >y  J For the employee at home this is usually mail client (SMTP client) sendingM through employer's SMTP server. Which is what SMTP AUTH RFC 2554 was designedo- for see http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2554.htmlf  # The PMDF SMTP server supports this.   J (unfortunately no VMS based mail clients - apart possibly from Mozilla , IG haven't checked - support SMTP AUTH. But other eg PC based mail clientsg2 supporting SMTP AUTH work great with PMDF on VMS).      O The problem comes when the home user is using their own SMTP server and the ISPeO they are using has registered all their dialup internet addresses in lists suchaH as the DUL. In most cases you are then forced to set your SMTP server toJ forward all outgoing mail through the ISP's SMTP server (when of course itH doesn't matter about your employer's anti-relaying since unless the mailN message is destined for someone at work - in which case anti-relaying won't beO an issue - then the mail message goes nowhere near your employer's smtp server.   K The issue that someone had a little while ago was an ISP who both put theirgO addresses in the DUL list and also would not allow setting of the from/reply-to G address to anything other than it's own domain. A really stupid policy.s  5 >Am I the only one to see this as a good suggestion ?-  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:24:10 +0100a, From: Paul Williams <flo@uk.thalesgroup.com>4 Subject: Re: WRQ Reflection and DEC escape sequences2 Message-ID: <3EFC1B4A.A12BB95B@uk.thalesgroup.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > B > I've encountered an issue at a customer site where Reflection isE > used with a number of "home-grown" "terminal graphic" menu systems.t > F > The problem stems from the improper formation of the DECSEL sequence; > (Selective erase in line).  The proper form is <ESC>[?2K. > > Reflection, improperly, responds to <ESC>[2?K.  I cannot getE > beyond WRQ's first line of interference when I call them to discuss4 > this.@  C Although I agree that treating <ESC>[2?K as DECSEL is incorrect[1],@D isn't the customer's application fault more important? After all, ifC their application produces this malformed sequence, the applicationr# could never have worked on DEC VTs.e  D [1] Insomniacs can read http://vt100.net/emu/dec_ansi_parser for the2 details of DEC's treatment of incorrect sequences.   - Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:09:00 GMTo" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG4 Subject: Re: WRQ Reflection and DEC escape sequences0 Message-ID: <00A22003.737E4FA4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <3EFC1B4A.A12BB95B@uk.thalesgroup.com>, Paul Williams <flo@uk.thalesgroup.com> writes:'" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> nC >> I've encountered an issue at a customer site where Reflection isoF >> used with a number of "home-grown" "terminal graphic" menu systems. >> oG >> The problem stems from the improper formation of the DECSEL sequenceu< >> (Selective erase in line).  The proper form is <ESC>[?2K.? >> Reflection, improperly, responds to <ESC>[2?K.  I cannot getaF >> beyond WRQ's first line of interference when I call them to discuss >> this. >"D >Although I agree that treating <ESC>[2?K as DECSEL is incorrect[1],E >isn't the customer's application fault more important? After all, if D >their application produces this malformed sequence, the application$ >could never have worked on DEC VTs.  K The customer's application is wrong as well but was led down the wrong patheJ by this incorrect behavior in Reflection.  The problem is that an applica-J tion that I provide finds this sequence "offensive" because it is not pro-: perly formed to the DECSEL format (<ESC>[? parameter K).         --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            ,5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" f   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2003 07:31:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)p6 Subject: Re: zip program that handles multi-dot files?3 Message-ID: <kSF6Pw$L+cpe@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  [ In article <3EFBA1B8.CFBE0C68@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:: > J > Trouble is, it's not the /VMS ("-V") option to ZIP that's at issue here.C > The trouble is that V5.32 of UNZIP does not (AFAIK) include ODS-5i
 > support.  A    So there's a week and a half or so before the next Freeware CDsH    submissions are due.  Why don't you hack one up for us and submit it?  <    (No, I don't have the time for it, either, I think.)  8-(  G    I haven't seen an ODS-5 knowledgable UNZIP, either.  I had hacked up C    an ODS-5 knoledgeable gzip, but someone else posted one that wasi
    better.  H    I can get you my partially debugged ODS-x knowledgable code I've beenD    hacking at for yEnc if it would help.  I have to applogize first,    though, it's written in C.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:37:19 -0500l1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e6 Subject: Re: zip program that handles multi-dot files?' Message-ID: <3EFC64AF.65BBE461@fsi.net>a   Bob Koehler wrote: > ] > In article <3EFBA1B8.CFBE0C68@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:s > >vL > > Trouble is, it's not the /VMS ("-V") option to ZIP that's at issue here.E > > The trouble is that V5.32 of UNZIP does not (AFAIK) include ODS-5s > > support. > C >    So there's a week and a half or so before the next Freeware CD J >    submissions are due.  Why don't you hack one up for us and submit it?  F The latest version of UNZIP from Hunter's archive is V5.5. Give that aH whirl and see if it includes ODS-5 support. Haven't tried it myself yet,E don't yet have any ODS-5 volumes here at home. (I'm taking a vacation  day today.)n   -- t David J. Dachteray dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/H   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.352 ************************