1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 01 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 117       Contents:6 Re: 6-month free trial of BEA's WebLogic Server on VMS9 Re: ?= Javadev118 and Java 1.4 on same OVMS 7.3-1 system. 5 Re: Alpha CONDIST or Alpha VMS 7.3 - 7.2... in the UK 2 Re: Bill Gates says you "get what you pay for" ... Booting VMS from Smart Media DS10L 466MHz upgrade CPU Re: DS10L 466MHz upgrade CPU8 Re: EMC to acquire Legato ? How about OpenVMS + Legato ?  Re: Fix for EDT emulation in EVE< RE: Help: BADSECSYS, failed to create or access SECURITY.SYSO Re: How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night? O Re: How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night? O Re: How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night? P HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even pretend toP Re: HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even pretenP Re: HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even pretenP Re: HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even pretenP Re: HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even preten( INVEXCEPTN on VMS 7.3-1 in SYS$PKADRIVER, Re: INVEXCEPTN on VMS 7.3-1 in SYS$PKADRIVER5 Re: Itanium "threw out all the good parts of the x86" 5 Re: Itanium "threw out all the good parts of the x86" 8 Re: Kermit buglet, spurriuous LFs in LOG SESSION (tcpip)B Re: memory errors and bugcheck dump (PROCGONE) with ALPHA 3000/600B Re: memory errors and bugcheck dump (PROCGONE) with ALPHA 3000/600K Re: Mis-set Terminal Types (was: Re: HUGE showstopper *bug* in HELP/MESSAGE  necessary routes Questions on SSH for VMS Re: Questions on SSH for VMS Re: Questions on SSH for VMS Re: Questions on SSH for VMS Re: Questions on SSH for VMS7 Re: Raise CPUMAXIMUM (CPU time limit) for a running job 7 Re: Raise CPUMAXIMUM (CPU time limit) for a running job  Re: re CD copy booting off disk  Re: SW500 - a hardware question  Terminal Servers Re: Terminal Servers Re: Terminal Servers Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?  Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ? # Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user name  Using COPY/FTP with a user name # Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user name # Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user name # Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user name # Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user name  Re: VAX Emulators  Re: VMS Backup solutions Re: VMS Backup solutions Re: VMS Backup solutions Re: VMS Backup solutions Re: Volume set across RAID5  Re: Volume set across RAID5  Re: Volume set across RAID5  Re: Volume set across RAID5  Re: Volume set across RAID5  Re: Volume set across RAID5 - re: [CDU] Compiler doesn't work over DECnet ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2003 13:40:13 -0800$ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)? Subject: Re: 6-month free trial of BEA's WebLogic Server on VMS = Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0302281340.59edb673@posting.google.com>   f kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) wrote in message news:<wUTAffnlM+sF@eisner.encompasserve.org>...= > Found this interesting bit of stealth promotion today and I  > thought I'd pass it along.   > ? > When digging through the 7.3-1 box I ran across a small flyer B > that said BEA is offering an HP-only offer for OpenVMS customersB > that will provide a FREE 6-month trial license of BEA's WebLogic= > Server for OpenVMS.  If you are interested in _THE_ premium C > application server on the best OS (no bias, here, what?) then you B > might want to dig through your 7.3-1 kit and check it out, or go? > to http://www.bea.com/hpvmsbundle/ and sign up for more info.  > + > (Disclaimer: I don't work for hp or BEA.)    I have good news and bad news:  F The good: The link now works.  BEA majorly reorganized their website aE short time ago and a few things broke, including the link.  They have  since fixed things.   A The bad: The web page says: "You will be able to download ... the E application server ... in early December 2002..." and they give you a ; form to fill in to be notified "when it becomes available."   A More good:  A quick search shows WLS 7.0 SP1 is available on VMS.   C More bad: It is not available for download from the web (that I can  find.)  A All I can suggest is that you send them your email address on the 3 hpvmsbundle page and wait for sales to contact you.    Regards,	 /RC Bryan    PS: E The Bad: I _DO_ work for BEA. (Yes, I know advertising in a newsgroup ? is vulgar, sorry. I thought this was a neat promotion and since C someone else thought it was worth mentioning, it was worth clearing  up.)F The Good: I don't work on WLS and I have nothing to do with sales.  (I: am just a worker-bee on Tuxedo but that is another story.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:24:59 +0100 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>B Subject: Re: ?= Javadev118 and Java 1.4 on same OVMS 7.3-1 system.) Message-ID: <3E5FB78B.1050208@vajhoej.dk>    Hans M. Aus wrote:/ > 1) Why is Javadev118 on my OVMS 7.3-1 system? 9 > 2) Can I install JAVA 1.4 with out removing Javedev118?   5 You can have multiple JDK's installed on a VMS system 4 (on Win32 and Unix systems as well for that matter).  ; I have 1.1.8, 1.2.2 and 1.3.1 running fine on my VMS system ! and can switch fine between them.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:26:51 -0500 0 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>> Subject: Re: Alpha CONDIST or Alpha VMS 7.3 - 7.2... in the UK/ Message-ID: <v5vrruf2l6rpab@news.supernews.com>   % System shipped out tonight by the way    Thanks for the order !   David    -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St. Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Toll Free 1-877 636 4332 Tel: USA 912 447 6622  Fax: USA 912 201 0402  http://www.islandco.com  dbturner@islandco.com    Ask about our DS10L special!4 36 DS10L 600Mhz systems in rack for only $25,000 !!!< "Edward Blackburn - Stout" <blokey@mac.com> wrote in message7 news:467f78fc.0302280531.25f4b66a@posting.google.com... H > I am in the process of replacing my hobbyist VAXen with an Alpha (DS10H > from islandco.com!) and was wondering if anyone in the UK would have a2 > copy of the CONDIST for me to beg/borrow/buy.... > H > I would get the Montagar CDs but they are *sold out* of the Alpha CDs. > H > Oh, and if anyone wants a couple of VAXstation 4000/90As with 32MB RAMC > and a couple of 1.05GB HDDs (pickup from Bridgend - Wales - UK or  > post) let me know. >  > Thanks in advance. >  > Ed.  >  > -- > Edward Blackburn - Stout > Systems Programmer at large  > blokey at mac dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:42:19 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com ; Subject: Re: Bill Gates says you "get what you pay for" ... 1 Message-ID: <03022816421912@dscis7-0.dalsemi.com>    >>> } >>> MOVES BY THE JAPANESE government to further adopt Open Software has prompted Bill Gates to personally attend a meeting to h >>> address politicans about what he believes are the weak points of a non-proprietary operating system. >>>   < True!  And what about "who do you turn to when it is broke?"  c However, even proprietary operating system's have their faults!  Hmmm.... certainly NOT Windows?!?!    >>>  >>> According to nikkei.net, Gates tipped up on Tuesday to talk to the Liberal Democratic Party Select Commission about the Japanese# >>> government's E-Japan programme.  >>>   b Cry to those who care to listen.  I guess the worlds richest man has a stake in maintaing his pie.   >>>  >>> Gates apparently said that the software industry will go into steep decline if more Open Software is adopted. The wire quoted J >>> him as saying that "nothing costs so much as what is given away free". >>>    By being "free", how?  What costs have been associated with the security risks of Windows?  Virus attacks?  Worms?  Loss of data? V Inability to migrate from one platform to another?  O/S upgrades?  Come on!  Get real.  V I would rather get it free than have to pay for getting ... add your explicits here...   >>>  >>> He cited a problem with Open Software that Toshiba encountered because it used elements of Linux in a digital audio player, K >>> apparently. Toshiba was forced to disclose design information, he said.  >>>  >>> And Gates also maintained that software engineers would have to resort to labouring to put bread in their mouths. Capitalism( >>> dictated that software make profits. >>>   ' Make that Microsoft software engineers.    >>>  >>> The wire quoted an unnamed president of a Japanese PC manufacturer as accusing Microsoft of making his company a subcontractor  >>> as long as Windows was used. >>>   E No, really?  Lets see, there was this Netscape deal, JAVA, what else?     ^ Granted, Gates does raise some valued questions, however he does it for all the wrong reasons.       John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:30:12 -0500 0 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>% Subject: Booting VMS from Smart Media / Message-ID: <v5vs27dakk8b59@news.supernews.com>   E 512MB Cards are available.Is that enough space for basic VMS install? A If so,has anyone tried booting VMS from a SCSI Smart Card Reader. ( If so, what brand Reader have you tried?  & Please reply to my email address below   David      -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St. Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Toll Free 1-877 636 4332 Tel: USA 912 447 6622  Fax: USA 912 201 0402  http://www.islandco.com  dbturner@islandco.com    Ask about our DS10L special!4 36 DS10L 600Mhz systems in rack for only $25,000 !!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:52:47 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ! Subject: DS10L 466MHz upgrade CPU 3 Message-ID: <3E60045F.CDC164E1@applied-synergy.com>   > What CPU chip is required to upgrade a DS10L 466MHz to 600MHz?  ( In particular, is this the correct chip?  > 	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3403873295   Thanx!  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:01:21 -0500 0 From: "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com>% Subject: Re: DS10L 466MHz upgrade CPU / Message-ID: <v601d4ldp10u46@news.supernews.com>    chris    save your money it doesn't work   = We tried it with some 600mhz ev6 chips on some ZIF 466 m/brds    Doesn't work   DT   -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory St. Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Toll Free 1-877 636 4332 Tel: USA 912 447 6622  Fax: USA 912 201 0402  http://www.islandco.com  dbturner@islandco.com    Ask about our DS10L special!4 36 DS10L 600Mhz systems in rack for only $25,000 !!!< "Chris Scheers" <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote in message- news:3E60045F.CDC164E1@applied-synergy.com... @ > What CPU chip is required to upgrade a DS10L 466MHz to 600MHz? > * > In particular, is this the correct chip? > ? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3403873295  >  > Thanx! > I > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- & > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. > D > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 06:30:50 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> A Subject: Re: EMC to acquire Legato ? How about OpenVMS + Legato ? 2 Message-ID: <BA859398.52CE%JCam90502@jcameron.com>   Norm,   L On initial investigation it is only a media server node. You must still haveK a UNIX, Linux, or Windows Networker server node for management and control. ( But it does fulfill a much needed niche.   Jeff     On 2/28/03 6:15 AM, in articleK OF95B80401.61281433-ON85256CDB.004E2FAD@metso.com, "norm.raphael@metso.com"  <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:    > ? > Why are you ignoring the Legato OpenVMS Storage Node product?  >    > G > The biggest problem with Legato and VMS is that it is based on an old G > product called WUMPSWARE, which is only a VMS CLIENT. That means your L > backups are done on a non VMS Media server, resulting in tape volumes thatL > are not VMS ANSI BACKUP tapes, which means, you cant do native restores toK > your VMS system, and although the do provide a plan for disaster recovery  > ofH > your VMS system it is long and drawn out with many steps, of which the > first > > step is "You rebuild your VMS system disk from distribution. > H > The same goes for Veritas Netbackup for VMS. It is also a client only. > / > We are resellers for both Legato and Veritas.  >  > Jeff Cameron > MTI  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:22:27 GMT   From: Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com>) Subject: Re: Fix for EDT emulation in EVE L Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302281217430.30359-100000@localhost.localdomain>   > Peter Weaver wrote:  > >  > > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > >...J > > > In EDT, I use GOLD-F to write the current buffer to a file. It wouldF > > > be nice if EDT could write the current select range to file. I'dI > > > probably put that on GOLD-S or something that I don't currently use  > > > for anything else. > > >... > >  > > Does this do what you want?  > > H > > define key gold s as "cutsr=writesrbuffer paste=writesrbuffer ext wr6 > > ?*'Enter the Filename to Write: ' =writesrbuffer."  $ Why not (making this up on the fly):  F   define key gold s as "ext wr ?*'Enter the Filename to Write: ' sel."       --    / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:35:57 -0800 $ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>E Subject: RE: Help: BADSECSYS, failed to create or access SECURITY.SYS 0 Message-ID: <01C2DF1D.93E7C1C0@sulfer.icius.com>  G Thanks to Harangozo, and all the others who provided this info. (And my E apologies for my "well, duh" moment, forgetting to help/message). I'm  back in business.    Shane    -----Original Message-----5 From: HARANGOZO CSABA [mailto:spameater@spam.invalid] ) Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:51 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E Subject: Re: Help: BADSECSYS, failed to create or access SECURITY.SYS     % Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> wrote: ; > Hi. I have a disk which is giving me the following error:    > $ mount dka100 openvms72= > %MOUNT-F-BADSECSYS, failed to create or access SECURITY.SYS / > -SYSTEM-W-BADCHKSUM, bad file header checksum    $HELP/MESSA  BADCH  & BADCHECKSUM,  message checksum failure  '   Facility:     SYSTEM, System Services   C   Explanation:  A checksum associated with an operating system data  streamH                 indicates that the data stream is corrupt. The operation has F                 been aborted to avoid further complications, including the <                 possibility of compromising system security.  C   User Action:  If this error occurred when mounting a disk volume, B                 it indicates that the volume security profile file:                 ([000000]SECURITY.SYS) is corrupt. Use the /OVERRIDE=SECURITYG                 qualifier on the MOUNT command; then delete the corrupt  fileC                 after the volume is mounted. Note that the existing  volumeE                 access control list (ACL) and SOGW protection will be  lost.   F                 If this error did not occur in the context of an ODS-2 volume9                 mount operation, contact a Compaq support  representative.     G > Ignore the disk label, the machine is running OpenVMS 7.3 (no dashes) D > and recently had some SCSI problems and had to be shut off partwayI > through shutdown. It's not a production machine, and it's completely at F > my mercy - I can do anything to it. There is stuff on that disk that7 > took a long time to do and hadn't been backed up yet.   9 > Anyone know if I can resurrect the disk, and if so how?   > 	Running ANAL/MEDIA and/or ANAL/DISK is also a good idea IMHO. 	Hope this helps...  						Cheers,  Csaba  H  ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --H   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  csabah(at)zipworld(dot)com(dot)auH  ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    	Everything changes.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:23:46 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)X Subject: Re: How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night?0 Message-ID: <b3ok12$29v$2@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  C Excuse me for following my own post, but I just realized the file I F posted, CHECK_LICENSES.COM, won't work for most people.  The reason isI that it uses the program WC (word count), something that I wrote locally. K WC reads through a file and prints statistics about it.  Among other things H it saves the # of lines in the symbol NLINES, which the procedure tests.F If no licenses match the expiration criteria, the output file is stillK created, and has 3 lines, so you can't just test it for zero length (sigh).  Sorry 'bout that.   K Otoh, I'll be glad to post the source for WC as well :-)  (Only 328 lines).    Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:19:22 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)X Subject: Re: How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night?0 Message-ID: <b3ojoq$29v$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  \ In article <87d6m7xygg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:' >svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth) writes:  > - >> I'll admit that we got caught by surprise.  > I >> My manager *swears* that he was not contacted by HP/Compaq and given a  >> chance to renew.  > B >> When I was on the phone with the Customer Support Center in theE >> middle of the night, the person helping me said I was the third or A >> fourth CSLG site to call since midnight with the same problem.  > G >It bit people over here a few years ago. Trouble was, it was the first ) >week of the new acedemic year :( Ouch...     @ I was bit by this a few years back, too.  I now have a procedureI that runs weekly and checks if any licenses are about to expire (within N G days) and sends me an email message if there are any.  It saved me from + embarassing situations several times since.   H If anyone wants it, I'll post it.  Actually, it's so short, I'll include	 it below.    $! CHECK_LICENSES.COM @ $! Author: Lawrence Bleau, University of Maryland, Physics Dept. $! Email: bleau@umtof.umd.edu  $!M $! Check for any licenses that will expire in less than 60 days, or that have : $! expired already, and report them to the system manager. $!. $ SHOW LICENSE/TERM="+60-0:0"/BEFORE/OUTPUT=X.. $ if $status .eqs. "%X107880D3" then goto okay $ WC X.  $ nexp = f$integer(nlines) - 5J $ MAIL/NOSELF/SUBJ="Licenses (''nexp') will expire soon!" SYS$INPUT SYSTEML Some licenses will expire within 60 days on this system.  Please take actionC immediately to prevent problems.  Contact the licensing folks (do a M TELE LICENSE).  The last kown contacts are Jim Villlinger and Dave Arsenault. 9 Their last known email address is softlmgr@umd5.umd.edu .  $okay:
 $ DELETE X.;*  $ exit 1     Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 00:37:27 -0000 ! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> X Subject: Re: How many other sites had their CSLG licenses expire at midnight last night?/ Message-ID: <v60067j62rlmfd@corp.supernews.com>   + Lawrence Bleau <bleau@umtof.umd.edu> wrote: J : If anyone wants it, I'll post it.  Actually, it's so short, I'll include : it below.  ...   	 : $ WC X.   : $ nexp = f$integer(nlines) - 5  ! You'd better include WC, as well.    --    D "France wants more evidence ... The last time the French wanted moreD  evidence, it rolled right over them with a German flag."  Letterman        ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:37:03 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> Y Subject: HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even pretend to ' Message-ID: <3E5FC86F.8070403@MMaz.com>   H Does ANY one have an HP sales contact that can speak VMS (not OpenView) D for the Midwest Region?  I have spent two days and countless calls, G hangups, and wrong numbers and have yet to locate a single person with  9 HP that can help me with some VMS licensing purchases...      H I'd go through my normal channel but two of these numbers are HP direct  only!!!      Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:42:11 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> Y Subject: Re: HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even preten I Message-ID: <7BR7a.102656$UXa.15420@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:3E5FC86F.8070403@MMaz.com... ? > Does ANY one have an HP sales contact that can speak VMS (not 	 OpenView) E > for the Midwest Region?  I have spent two days and countless calls, C > hangups, and wrong numbers and have yet to locate a single person  with: > HP that can help me with some VMS licensing purchases... >  > B > I'd go through my normal channel but two of these numbers are HP direct	 > only!!!      1-800-555-9SUN.   @ They know how to get you off VMS just as effectively as HP does.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:05:07 -0500 , From: "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com>Y Subject: Re: HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even preten , Message-ID: <b3othp02cat@enews1.newsguy.com>  F Call Vincent Iasa (I'm not sure on the spelling there, it's pronouncedK I-as-uh) at TotalTech, 800-634-2588 x144.  I had sent and e-mail request to F HP/Compaq and they directed me to him.  It'd be easier if you have the0 license part number (QL-whatever) when you call.  
 Good luck.  6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:3E5FC86F.8070403@MMaz.com... I > Does ANY one have an HP sales contact that can speak VMS (not OpenView) E > for the Midwest Region?  I have spent two days and countless calls, H > hangups, and wrong numbers and have yet to locate a single person with: > HP that can help me with some VMS licensing purchases... >  > I > I'd go through my normal channel but two of these numbers are HP direct 	 > only!!!  >  >  > Barry  >  > -- > A > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO  > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 1 MAR 2003 03:27:32 GMT 2 From: karcher@kort.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)Y Subject: Re: HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even preten 3 Message-ID: <1MAR03.03273241@kort.waisman.wisc.edu>   C In a previous article, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote:   J ->Does ANY one have an HP sales contact that can speak VMS (not OpenView) F ->for the Midwest Region?  I have spent two days and countless calls, I ->hangups, and wrong numbers and have yet to locate a single person with  ; ->HP that can help me with some VMS licensing purchases...     Try:    
 Pat Parrish,   American  digital  Ph-(608)837-8377 patp@americandigital.com http://www.americandigital.com   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 3 --            karcher.nomorespam@waisman.wisc.edu      ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:23:57 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Y Subject: Re: HP can't speak or spell VMS!!!  How do they expect to sell it or even preten & Message-ID: <3E6035DD.88216E3@fsi.net>   John Smith wrote:  > 8 > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message# > news:3E5FC86F.8070403@MMaz.com... A > > Does ANY one have an HP sales contact that can speak VMS (not  > OpenView) G > > for the Midwest Region?  I have spent two days and countless calls, E > > hangups, and wrong numbers and have yet to locate a single person  > with< > > HP that can help me with some VMS licensing purchases... > >  > > D > > I'd go through my normal channel but two of these numbers are HP > direct > > only!!!  >  > 1-800-555-9SUN.  > B > They know how to get you off VMS just as effectively as HP does.  E ...or try the Sector7 guy. His ads appear on Google from time to time  when reading c.o.v.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2003 11:14:22 -0800* From: ken.randell@fortel.com (Ken Randell)1 Subject: INVEXCEPTN on VMS 7.3-1 in SYS$PKADRIVER < Message-ID: <8debc3ff.0302281114.9169f19@posting.google.com>  
 VMS 7.3-1   B An INVEXCEPTN is occuring in SYS$PKADRIVER when I'm trying to do aA backup to an TKZ9F 8mm drive attached to a KZPEA controller (only E device on the channel) and there is some kind of tape drive problem.  A If a mount-verification IRP gets issued, it would appear that the  driver is crashing.   E I was wondering if this is a known issue.  A similar issue appears to A be addressed in the dec-axpvms-vms722_fibre_scsi-v0200 patch kit, 2 although the system PC called out is not the same.  ! A brief crash listing is below.      Thanks.   . ----------------------------------------------   System crash information ------------------------- Time of system crash: 27-FEB-2003 14:11:53.43     F Version of system: OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1  % System Version Major ID/Minor ID: 3/0     % System type: AlphaServer DS10 617 MHz   # Crash CPU ID/Primary CPU ID:  00/00   4 Bitmask of CPUs active/available:  00000001/00000001     CPU bugcheck codes: :         CPU 00 -- INVEXCEPTN, Exception while above ASTDEL  ! System State at Time of Exception ! ---------------------------------  Exception Frame: ----------------4         R2  = FFFFFFFF.812199C0  SYS$PKADRIVER+49FC0         R3  = FFFFFFFF.814DEEB0          R4  = FFFFFFFF.8E85F890          R5  = 00000000.00000006          R6  = 00000000.00000001          R7  = FFFFFFFF.8E85F8C8 4         PC  = FFFFFFFF.806212B8  SYS$PKADRIVER+312B8         PS  = 08000000.00000804   ;          FFFFFFFF.806212A8:     BIS             R31,R31,R31 ?          FFFFFFFF.806212AC:     LDA             R27,#X0B88(R27) ?          FFFFFFFF.806212B0:     LDL             R18,#X000C(R18) <          FFFFFFFF.806212B4:     BIS             R31,#X01,R25?    PC => FFFFFFFF.806212B8:     LDL             R19,#X0010(R18) <          FFFFFFFF.806212BC:     SUBL            R19,#X01,R19   ------------------------! System State at Time of Exception ! --------------------------------- ?          FFFFFFFF.806212C0:     STL             R19,#X0010(R18) ?          FFFFFFFF.806212C4:     LDL             R20,#X0004(R16) <          FFFFFFFF.806212C8:     ZAPNOT          R20,#XF9,R20      PS =>;          MBZ SPAL      MBZ    IPL VMM MBZ CURMOD INT PRVMOD 9          0   08   00000000000 08  0   0   KERN   1   KERN      Signal Array ------------         Length = 00000005          Type   = 0000000C "         Arg    = 00000000.00000000"         Arg    = 00000000.0C29C04B7         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.806212B8  SYS$PKADRIVER+312B8 "         Arg    = 08000000.00000804   System crash information ------------------------! System State at Time of Exception ! --------------------------------- ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  address=000000000C29& C04B, PC=FFFFFFFF806212B8, PS=00000804  * Saved Scratch Registers in Mechanism Array* ------------------------------------------: R0   = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFF  R1   = FFFFFFFF.8E85F890  R16  = FFFFFFFF.8E85F890 : R17  = 00000000.00060000  R18  = 00000000.0C29C03B  R19  = 00000000.717A076F : R20  = 00000000.00000000  R21  = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFF  R22  = 00000000.00000000 : R23  = 00000000.00000000  R24  = 00000000.00000000  R25  = 00000000.00000001 : R26  = FFFFFFFF.80620BCC  R27  = FFFFFFFF.8121A448  R28  = FFFFFFFF.8061FA20      SDA> sho dev mkd600    I/O data structures  ------------------- B MAW254$MKD600                                  EXABYTE EXB-85058HE
 UCB: 814E3100   : Device status:   00004D10 online,bsy,deadmo,valid,mntverip Characteristics: 0FEC4421 5 rec,sqd,qsvbl,fod,avl,mnt,dmt,elg,all,for,swl,idv,odv *                  21000201 clu,nnm,scsi,dtn( SUD Status       00000001 path_available  F Owner UIC [000001,000004]   Operation count        406   ORB address  	  814CF940 F       PID        0001004E   Error count              2   DDB address  	  814DDF80 F Alloc. lock ID   5F0003A1   Reference count          4   DDT address  	  8120ABA0 F Alloc. class            0   Retry cnt/max        16/16   SUD address  	  814E3400 F Class/Type          02/1C   BOFF              00000000   VCB address  	  81749200 F Def. buf. size        512   Byte count        00000000   CRB address  	  814E1F80 F DEVDEPEND        00082000   SVAPTE            00000000   IRP address  	  81789F40 F DEVDEPND2        05A00000   DEVSTS            00000000   Fork PC      	  8120C298 F DEVDEPND3        00000050   Object count             1   Fork R3      	  001606DC F FLCK index             3A                                Fork R4      	  814DFFC0 A DLCK address     814E3000                                I/O wait  queue 815F5F80   I/O data structures  -------------------   /                  --  Device Path Information --     UCB: 814E3100 Path: PKD0.6   '         *** PORT I/O queue is empty ***   0                                 DEVICE I/O queue0                                 ----------------  F KPB       IRP       PID      MODE CHAN  FUNC    WCB     EFN        AST      IOSB        STATUS   ; 81566880  81789F40  810CD740  K   0000  0808  00000000   0   00000000.810CDDF8  0 0000000.00000000  2100         packack physio,mvirp   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:00:38 -0500 % From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@hp.com> 5 Subject: Re: INVEXCEPTN on VMS 7.3-1 in SYS$PKADRIVER & Message-ID: <3E5FCDF6.2317821C@hp.com>  E If you have a support contract please report this to the CSC as there F may be an interum fix for this.  Otherwise you'll have to wait for theA next SCSI patch kit and no I don't know if one is scheduled even.   G It appears that the crash is due to a command timeout and resulting bus > reset causes a completed IO to be requeued and then the crash.   Ken Randell wrote: >  > VMS 7.3-1  > D > An INVEXCEPTN is occuring in SYS$PKADRIVER when I'm trying to do aC > backup to an TKZ9F 8mm drive attached to a KZPEA controller (only F > device on the channel) and there is some kind of tape drive problem.C > If a mount-verification IRP gets issued, it would appear that the  > driver is crashing.  > G > I was wondering if this is a known issue.  A similar issue appears to C > be addressed in the dec-axpvms-vms722_fibre_scsi-v0200 patch kit, 4 > although the system PC called out is not the same. > ! > A brief crash listing is below.  > 	 > Thanks.  > 0 > ---------------------------------------------- >  > System crash information > ------------------------/ > Time of system crash: 27-FEB-2003 14:11:53.43  > H > Version of system: OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1 > ' > System Version Major ID/Minor ID: 3/0  > ' > System type: AlphaServer DS10 617 MHz  > % > Crash CPU ID/Primary CPU ID:  00/00  > 6 > Bitmask of CPUs active/available:  00000001/00000001 >  > CPU bugcheck codes: < >         CPU 00 -- INVEXCEPTN, Exception while above ASTDEL > # > System State at Time of Exception # > ---------------------------------  > Exception Frame: > ----------------6 >         R2  = FFFFFFFF.812199C0  SYS$PKADRIVER+49FC0! >         R3  = FFFFFFFF.814DEEB0 ! >         R4  = FFFFFFFF.8E85F890 ! >         R5  = 00000000.00000006 ! >         R6  = 00000000.00000001 ! >         R7  = FFFFFFFF.8E85F8C8 6 >         PC  = FFFFFFFF.806212B8  SYS$PKADRIVER+312B8! >         PS  = 08000000.00000804  > = >          FFFFFFFF.806212A8:     BIS             R31,R31,R31 A >          FFFFFFFF.806212AC:     LDA             R27,#X0B88(R27) A >          FFFFFFFF.806212B0:     LDL             R18,#X000C(R18) > >          FFFFFFFF.806212B4:     BIS             R31,#X01,R25A >    PC => FFFFFFFF.806212B8:     LDL             R19,#X0010(R18) > >          FFFFFFFF.806212BC:     SUBL            R19,#X01,R19 >  > ------------------------# > System State at Time of Exception # > --------------------------------- A >          FFFFFFFF.806212C0:     STL             R19,#X0010(R18) A >          FFFFFFFF.806212C4:     LDL             R20,#X0004(R16) > >          FFFFFFFF.806212C8:     ZAPNOT          R20,#XF9,R20 > 
 >    PS =>= >          MBZ SPAL      MBZ    IPL VMM MBZ CURMOD INT PRVMOD ; >          0   08   00000000000 08  0   0   KERN   1   KERN  >  > Signal Array > ------------ >         Length = 00000005  >         Type   = 0000000C $ >         Arg    = 00000000.00000000$ >         Arg    = 00000000.0C29C04B9 >         Arg    = FFFFFFFF.806212B8  SYS$PKADRIVER+312B8 $ >         Arg    = 08000000.00000804 >  > System crash information > ------------------------# > System State at Time of Exception # > --------------------------------- = > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  > address=000000000C29( > C04B, PC=FFFFFFFF806212B8, PS=00000804 > , > Saved Scratch Registers in Mechanism Array, > ------------------------------------------< > R0   = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFF  R1   = FFFFFFFF.8E85F890  R16  = > FFFFFFFF.8E85F890 < > R17  = 00000000.00060000  R18  = 00000000.0C29C03B  R19  = > 00000000.717A076F < > R20  = 00000000.00000000  R21  = FFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFF  R22  = > 00000000.00000000 < > R23  = 00000000.00000000  R24  = 00000000.00000000  R25  = > 00000000.00000001 < > R26  = FFFFFFFF.80620BCC  R27  = FFFFFFFF.8121A448  R28  = > FFFFFFFF.8061FA20  >  > SDA> sho dev mkd600  >  > I/O data structures  > ------------------- D > MAW254$MKD600                                  EXABYTE EXB-85058HE > UCB: 814E3100  > < > Device status:   00004D10 online,bsy,deadmo,valid,mntverip > Characteristics: 0FEC4421 7 > rec,sqd,qsvbl,fod,avl,mnt,dmt,elg,all,for,swl,idv,odv , >                  21000201 clu,nnm,scsi,dtn* > SUD Status       00000001 path_available > F > Owner UIC [000001,000004]   Operation count        406   ORB address >  814CF940 F >       PID        0001004E   Error count              2   DDB address >  814DDF80 F > Alloc. lock ID   5F0003A1   Reference count          4   DDT address >  8120ABA0 F > Alloc. class            0   Retry cnt/max        16/16   SUD address >  814E3400 F > Class/Type          02/1C   BOFF              00000000   VCB address >  81749200 F > Def. buf. size        512   Byte count        00000000   CRB address >  814E1F80 F > DEVDEPEND        00082000   SVAPTE            00000000   IRP address >  81789F40 B > DEVDEPND2        05A00000   DEVSTS            00000000   Fork PC >  8120C298 B > DEVDEPND3        00000050   Object count             1   Fork R3 >  001606DC B > FLCK index             3A                                Fork R4 >  814DFFC0 C > DLCK address     814E3000                                I/O wait  > queue 815F5F80 >  > I/O data structures  > -------------------  > 1 >                  --  Device Path Information --  >  >  UCB: 814E3100 Path: PKD0.6  > ) >         *** PORT I/O queue is empty ***  > 2 >                                 DEVICE I/O queue2 >                                 ---------------- > H > KPB       IRP       PID      MODE CHAN  FUNC    WCB     EFN        AST >      IOSB        STATUS  > < > 81566880  81789F40  810CD740  K   0000  0808  00000000   0 > 00000000.810CDDF8  0 > 0000000.00000000  2100 >         packack physio,mvirp   --  C Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY 0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or so  	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2003 17:19:40 -0800" From: xeio77@hotmail.com (Tsarkon)> Subject: Re: Itanium "threw out all the good parts of the x86"= Message-ID: <baa86a4a.0302281719.76585ee9@posting.google.com>    HP machine; Linux based.  ? The empirical test was to see how well his machine could handle C servicing a deluge of interrupts from a gigabit card in promiscuous ? mode. Why would one want to see huge amounts of traffic on a PC F machine? To build statistical models for the mitigation of attacks and line speed IDS.   E Anyways, the finding were as follows: IA64 is a PC. P4 Xeons (2.6Ghz) E were better able to handle this task for a fraction of the cost (less C packets were dropped). I have a portable application, written well, E and compiled with icc7 for ia32 and ia64. Same operating environment. F Same kernel. The kernel and how it interacts with the hardware is realF bottleneck here, and the same kernel on IA64 was worse at handling the card's requests.  F While you could use polling to alleviate this, you still miss packets.F Interrupt coalescing was tried off and on. Didn't make a difference. IF no case could the "superior" Itanium2 beat the P4 Xeon when it came to shoveling packets.  D So is IA64 the machine of the future? Only if you are foolish enoughE to want to believe that. Just about every empirical real world test I B tried showed the price performance going WAY down on this "new and? improved" Itanium2. Most of the time the P4 Xeon could beat the 	 Itanium2.   E So, they may bench well. I have seen the SPEC claims. But as will all C vapor products, lies are easy to promulgate. No one will buy these, ? and anyone who does got their options taken away by the company E pushing them. (One would have to have a rather large hole in the head  to like Itanium2 over Alpha.)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 01:40:03 GMT & From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>> Subject: Re: Itanium "threw out all the good parts of the x86"/ Message-ID: <TbU7a.712$l8.501@news.cpqcorp.net>   # Tsarkon <xeio77@hotmail.com> wrote:  > HP machine; Linux based.  A > The empirical test was to see how well his machine could handle E > servicing a deluge of interrupts from a gigabit card in promiscuous A > mode. Why would one want to see huge amounts of traffic on a PC D > machine? To build statistical models for the mitigation of attacks > and line speed IDS.   > > Anyways, the finding were as follows: IA64 is a PC. P4 XeonsE > (2.6Ghz) were better able to handle this task for a fraction of the B > cost (less packets were dropped). I have a portable application,> > written well, and compiled with icc7 for ia32 and ia64. SameF > operating environment.  Same kernel. The kernel and how it interactsC > with the hardware is real bottleneck here, and the same kernel on 1 > IA64 was worse at handling the card's requests.   D I have an interest in "things network performance" (thanks mostly to@ netperf) and would be very interested to see the details of yourB tests.  Either online here, or offline in email; whichever is more2 comfortable for you. My email is in the sig below.  
 sincerely,  
 rick jones --  G oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flag F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2003 17:34:00 -0500& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)A Subject: Re: Kermit buglet, spurriuous LFs in LOG SESSION (tcpip) 1 Message-ID: <b3oo4o$l4d$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>   / In article <3E5C201A.C54E47FA@vl.videotron.ca>, 2 JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote:G :   fp[n] = fopen(name, p, "ctx=stm", "rat=cr", "rfm=stmlf"); for text.  : M : For binary logs, I am not sure exactly what would be needed, it depends how  : you write to it. : M : To remove any interference from RMS, you could create the binary file with:  : > :   fp[n] = fopen(name, p, "ctx=bin", "rat=none", "rfm=udf");  : O : This will create a file with totally undefined record attributes, but you may G : not be able to type it if the file is bigger than your buffer quotas.  :  : Another possibility would be:  : H :   fp[n] = fopen(name, p, "ctx=bin", "rat=none", "rfm=fix","mrs=512");  : O : This would create a fixed length 512 byte record file. However, I am not sure N : how fprintf would be handled if you try to printf say 100 bytes. Will it padM : the remaining 412 bytes with nulls, or will the subsequent fprintf continue I : where the rpevious one left. (usually, for binary files, I use open and - : read/write instead of fopen/fprintf/fscan).  : @ OK, there's a new C-Kermit source-code set in the zip file here:  -   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckdaily.html   H that has this change.  Binary-mode session logs are fixed 512, text mode ones are Stream_LF.   K This is C-Kermit 8.0.208, which is a bug-fix update to the previous 8.0.206 9 release.  I expect to be wrapping it up over the weekend.    - Frank    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:00:08 -0800 + From: Ken Fairfield <MyFull-Name@intel.com> K Subject: Re: memory errors and bugcheck dump (PROCGONE) with ALPHA 3000/600 ) Message-ID: <3E5FCDD8.9072A0BB@intel.com>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  > E > > :I have a nice DEC 3000/600 (21064 ALPHA) with 192 MB and (still) F > > :VMS 7.2-1.  It works fine, except occasionally after power up the$ > > :self-test gives a memory error.   [...]   D > >   Show the error message text, and I'd be more willing to hazardF > >   an answer beyond a generic bad memory, bad processor, bad cache,G > >   or a bad motherboard.  :-)  (And we both know that you had really C > >   intended to include the actual error message text within your  > >   posting, too. :-)  > I > Well, cut-and-paste from the VT320 console is a bit difficult!  I still 9 > have a pencil somewhere, though, so I'll write it down.   C Surely an advanced hobbiest such as yourself has a spare LA70 lying H around that you can plug into the VT320 and capture the output, no?  :-)   	-Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield " D1C Automation VMS System Support  kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:19:12 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> K Subject: Re: memory errors and bugcheck dump (PROCGONE) with ALPHA 3000/600 ' Message-ID: <3E5FE060.5080600@MMaz.com>    Ken Fairfield wrote:   >Phillip Helbig wrote: >    > D >>>:I have a nice DEC 3000/600 (21064 ALPHA) with 192 MB and (still)E >>>:VMS 7.2-1.  It works fine, except occasionally after power up the # >>>:self-test gives a memory error. 	 >>>        >>>  >  >[...] >  >    > C >>>  Show the error message text, and I'd be more willing to hazard E >>>  an answer beyond a generic bad memory, bad processor, bad cache, F >>>  or a bad motherboard.  :-)  (And we both know that you had reallyB >>>  intended to include the actual error message text within your >>>  posting, too. :-)	 >>>        >>> I >>Well, cut-and-paste from the VT320 console is a bit difficult!  I still 9 >>have a pencil somewhere, though, so I'll write it down.  >>     >> > D >Surely an advanced hobbiest such as yourself has a spare LA70 lyingI >around that you can plug into the VT320 and capture the output, no?  :-)  >  >	-Ken >    > H Or steal your kids water cooled, overclocked, Dual Athlon gaming system ; and capture the input via a terminal emulator; Even Kermit?    Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:43:40 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> T Subject: Re: Mis-set Terminal Types (was: Re: HUGE showstopper *bug* in HELP/MESSAGE$ Message-ID: <3e5ff421$1@news.si.com>  = > EDT will stay in line-mode; no (functional) CHANGE command.   F I respectully disagree.  Nokeypad Change mode is handly for something. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:54:58 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: necessary routes ; Message-ID: <01KSZEKQN8V69H0CS8@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F I'm taking a different tack in trying to discover the problem with my  pseudointerface.  I Let's start with something simple: what routes should normally be in the  	 database?   1 This seems to be a typical minimum configuration:    TCPIP> sh route/perm  &                              PERMANENT  < Type           Destination                           Gateway  7 PN    0.0.0.0                               172.17.91.3  TCPIP> sh route   $                              DYNAMIC  < Type           Destination                           Gateway  7 AN    0.0.0.0                               172.17.91.3 5 AH    127.0.0.1                             127.0.0.1 9 AN    132.14.95.0/24                        132.14.95.146 9 AH    132.14.95.146                         132.14.95.146   E In other words, there is a default gateway in the permanent database. F This appears in the volatile database as well.  In addition, there is D the loopback route 127.0.0.1 ---> 127.0.0.1 and a route from the IP B address of the machine to itself and to the network is on.  These 4 volatile routes all seem to get added automatically.  ; If I add a pseudointerface, presumably I need these routes:   9 AN    192.168.1.0/24                        192.168.1.211 9 AH    192.168.1.211                         192.168.1.211   B Do I always have to add them automatically, or do they get created@ automatically, or is this dependent on the version of TCPIP I am	 running?    B Do I need a route from the IP address of the machine to the other F network, or two its own address on the other network, even if I don't - create any explicit connections between them?    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:06:53 +0000 (UTC) * From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)! Subject: Questions on SSH for VMS / Message-ID: <b3ofgt$8l$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>   > Hi, I'm looking for SSH (secure shell) for VMS Alpha (V7.1-2).J First, let me see if I'm correct in my concepts; please correct me or fill in the blanks as needed.  J The VMS TCPIP (product TCPIP, formerly UCX) stack does not have encryptionI built in.  This can be added, and is done in the session layer of the OSI K network model.  The thing that needs to be added is known as secure session D layer (SSL).  This is provided by an add-on product, one of which is6 OpenSSL, which is freely available; another is SSLeay.  ; Right so far?  If so, I have a few questions at this point:   H 1) If SSL is added couldn't all application layer entities (telnet, ftp,I email) potentially go through SSL?  Would one even have to have a special 3 product at the app layer to make encryption work?     J 2) The encryption would have to be negotiated, wouldn't it?  Even if everyE app goes through the session layer, and thence through SSL, not every B remote system has SSL installed, so there'd need to be a handshake% somewhere for this.  Correct on this?   J 3) Does the various SSL products interact properly?  I.e., If one site has@ OpenSSL and another has SSLeay, will they talk to each other and encrypt/decrypt properly?   G 4) What determines the encryption/decryption method?  Related to Q3, is J this what has to be agreed upon beforehand, or can they switch on the fly?   Onward:   I Secure Shell (SSH), as I understand it (please correct me if wrong), is a F means to permit remote interactive logins and file transfers using SSLJ encryption.  These do what telnet and ftp currently do.  Like most network/ products, it has both a client and server part.   J OpenSSH is a client implementation of SSH, but on its web site I don't seeI VMS listed as an OS it works on.  FISH is a VMS implementation, and while J it is available, it has been discontinued.  Its successor (BAMSE) is stillG under development, and hasn't yet reached a stable, feature-rich state.   K SSH_SERVER is a server implementation (courtesy of Ohio State U).  Its last E update (according to the release notes) is Apr 2002, so I assume it's H fairly stable, major bugs gone, although its own readme files states the implementation is "crude".  
 Questions:  H 5) Are there any other free SSH clients or servers for OpenVMS?  Or, are9 there any products that implement both client and server?   H 6) Has anyone had recent experience - positive or negative - with any of the above products?   H 7) Will the old (unencrypted) telnet and ftp continue to work?  I see noH reason they would not, as long as SSH listens on a different port, but I> might as well ask, because I know I'll be asked this question.   Thanks, all.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:58:20 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> % Subject: Re: Questions on SSH for VMS A Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030228135248.017a5010@raptor.psccos.com>   , At 01:06 PM 2/28/2003, Lawrence Bleau wrote:? >Hi, I'm looking for SSH (secure shell) for VMS Alpha (V7.1-2). K >First, let me see if I'm correct in my concepts; please correct me or fill  >in the blanks as needed.                        <snip>   >Onward: > J >Secure Shell (SSH), as I understand it (please correct me if wrong), is aG >means to permit remote interactive logins and file transfers using SSL K >encryption.  These do what telnet and ftp currently do.  Like most network 0 >products, it has both a client and server part. > K >OpenSSH is a client implementation of SSH, but on its web site I don't see J >VMS listed as an OS it works on.  FISH is a VMS implementation, and whileK >it is available, it has been discontinued.  Its successor (BAMSE) is still H >under development, and hasn't yet reached a stable, feature-rich state. > L >SSH_SERVER is a server implementation (courtesy of Ohio State U).  Its lastF >update (according to the release notes) is Apr 2002, so I assume it'sI >fairly stable, major bugs gone, although its own readme files states the  >implementation is "crude".  >  >Questions:  > I >5) Are there any other free SSH clients or servers for OpenVMS?  Or, are : >there any products that implement both client and server?  C Other than what you've mentioned above, there are no other free SSH " implementations for VMS currently.  G If you're willing to write a check, Process Software has three options:   E MultiNet, a complete TCP/IP stack including SSH client and server for G SSH1 and SSH2, plus file transfer.  This replaces HP's TCP/IP Services.   D TCPware, a complete TCP/IP stack including SSH client and server forG SSH1 and SSH2, plus file transfer.  This replaces HP's TCP/IP Services.   G SSH for OpenVMS, which is a complete SSH client and server for SSH1 and B SSH2, plus file transfer.  This is installed on top of HP's TCP/IP' Services as a separate layered product.   C Go to www.process.com for more information on these three products.   I >6) Has anyone had recent experience - positive or negative - with any of  >the above products?  3 They're pretty good, for what they are (SSH1 only).   I >7) Will the old (unencrypted) telnet and ftp continue to work?  I see no I >reason they would not, as long as SSH listens on a different port, but I ? >might as well ask, because I know I'll be asked this question.   E If you're asking "can SSH and telnet and ftp coexist?", the answer is H "yes".  You can also use SSH port forwarding to encrypt telnet sessions," and possibly ftp sessions as well.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:41:21 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)% Subject: Re: Questions on SSH for VMS . Message-ID: <b3ol20$f8j$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau) writes in article <b3ofgt$8l$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu> dated Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:06:53 +0000 (UTC): < >Right so far?  If so, I have a few questions at this point:  J Yes, I think so.  Disclaimer:  I haven't programmed using SSL, just set up clients and servers.  I >1) If SSL is added couldn't all application layer entities (telnet, ftp, J >email) potentially go through SSL?  Would one even have to have a special4 >product at the app layer to make encryption work?    K In order for SSL to work, both the client and server apps must use it.  You L would have to replace (for example) your ftp server with one that knows SSL.  I Normally SSL uses a different port; for example, https uses port 443, not  port 80 like http.  K >2) The encryption would have to be negotiated, wouldn't it?  Even if every F >app goes through the session layer, and thence through SSL, not everyC >remote system has SSL installed, so there'd need to be a handshake & >somewhere for this.  Correct on this?  F If only a SSL-enabled server listens on the "secure" port, and only anK SSL-enabled client tries to connect, you won't have the problem of only one G knowing SSL.  However, there are several different cyphers which can be ) used, and they do need to agree on one.     I To prevent a middle-man spoofing attack (one where an SSL-enabled machine H between the client and server is pretending to each to be the other, andB recording or even modifying the communications), each server has aF certificate containing its public key.  The certificate must either beK digitally signed by a central authority that the client knows about or must J be given to the client via an alternate channel.  SSL-enabled Web browsersH come with several certificate-authority certificates built in, so if youC register your server's key with them you can talk https to people's 	 browsers.   K >3) Does the various SSL products interact properly?  I.e., If one site has A >OpenSSL and another has SSLeay, will they talk to each other and  >encrypt/decrypt properly?   Yes, it's an open standard.   H >4) What determines the encryption/decryption method?  Related to Q3, isK >this what has to be agreed upon beforehand, or can they switch on the fly?   G I know you can configure the Apache webserver to use whatever subset of @ available cyphers you wish.  Availability is determined by whichH implementation of SSL you are using.  I think this is agreed between theK client and server when the connection is first made, but that's really just  a guess on my part.   I >7) Will the old (unencrypted) telnet and ftp continue to work?  I see no I >reason they would not, as long as SSH listens on a different port, but I ? >might as well ask, because I know I'll be asked this question.   L It all depends on your administrator (you in this case).  Some are disablingH the non-secure protocols simply because of the danger of password theft.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Feb 2003 16:13 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) % Subject: Re: Questions on SSH for VMS - Message-ID: <28FEB200316132868@gerg.tamu.edu>    bleau@umtof.umd.edu writes... ? }Hi, I'm looking for SSH (secure shell) for VMS Alpha (V7.1-2). K }First, let me see if I'm correct in my concepts; please correct me or fill  }in the blanks as needed.  } K }The VMS TCPIP (product TCPIP, formerly UCX) stack does not have encryption J }built in.  This can be added, and is done in the session layer of the OSIL }network model.  The thing that needs to be added is known as secure sessionE }layer (SSL).  This is provided by an add-on product, one of which is 7 }OpenSSL, which is freely available; another is SSLeay.  } < }Right so far?  If so, I have a few questions at this point:  B "SSL" is not "secure session layer", it is "secure sockets layer".B OpenSSL also includes TLS, or Transport Layer Security, as well as- being a general purpose cryptography package.   C Well, SSLeay is aparently obsolete - OpenSSL is based on it but has D continued development. I don't think SSLeay has had any work done on it in a few years.  G OpenSSL should build on VMS as-is. It should come with an "install.vms" J text file explaining how to do it, a "makevms.com" file, an "install.com", and some other relevent stuff.  I }1) If SSL is added couldn't all application layer entities (telnet, ftp, J }email) potentially go through SSL?  Would one even have to have a special4 }product at the app layer to make encryption work?    D As far as I know, there is no "install it and it just works" option.F The application has to call the routines linked in from the SSL object8 library when the programis built. It isn't "automagic".   K }2) The encryption would have to be negotiated, wouldn't it?  Even if every F }app goes through the session layer, and thence through SSL, not everyC }remote system has SSL installed, so there'd need to be a handshake & }somewhere for this.  Correct on this?  G An encrypted version of a service would listed on a different port than F the usual one (if you wanted both to work). FOr example, a normal HTTPM server listens on port 80, but the standard port for HTTPS (the SSL encrypted I version) is 443. Your web browesr knows this - if the prefix is "http://" I it uses port 80 unless you specify otherwise, if it is "https://" it uses ' port 443 unless you s[pecify otherwise.   K }3) Does the various SSL products interact properly?  I.e., If one site has A }OpenSSL and another has SSLeay, will they talk to each other and  }encrypt/decrypt properly?   It ought to.  H }4) What determines the encryption/decryption method?  Related to Q3, isK }this what has to be agreed upon beforehand, or can they switch on the fly?  }Lawrence Bleau   I Don't know for sure. I think they negotiate based on one of them offering F the other one a list of methods given in an order of preference (whichJ would normally be most secure -> less secure, I would guess) and the otherH one picks which one to try first (which I would think would be the first= one on the list that it supports). I think. But I'm not sure.   B I think the rest has been answered already. The short form is thatB there are some older free/open implementations of some things, butC maybe not any recent releases. Process Software has non-free stuff, B except it is probably free for hobbyist use, included with both ofC their IP stacks (I expect the two are actually one - it is probably B the same source code except maybe a few stack specific tweaks) and8 also have SSH client and server as a standalone product.  E Secure versions of FTP etc. may exist for VMS, but I don't know which D ones, if any, work. As I recall, Process Software has indicated thatC in future versions their IP stacks will be getting more of these (I I recall seeing something about this on the vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet 0 newsgroup, I think it was just a few weeks ago).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 04:00:01 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> % Subject: Re: Questions on SSH for VMS 1 Message-ID: <3E602FC2.6642C06@firstdbasource.com>    Lawrence Bleau wrote:  > @ > Hi, I'm looking for SSH (secure shell) for VMS Alpha (V7.1-2).L > First, let me see if I'm correct in my concepts; please correct me or fill > in the blanks as needed. > L > The VMS TCPIP (product TCPIP, formerly UCX) stack does not have encryptionK > built in.  This can be added, and is done in the session layer of the OSI M > network model.  The thing that needs to be added is known as secure session F > layer (SSL).  This is provided by an add-on product, one of which is8 > OpenSSL, which is freely available; another is SSLeay. > = > Right so far?  If so, I have a few questions at this point:  > J > 1) If SSL is added couldn't all application layer entities (telnet, ftp,K > email) potentially go through SSL?  Would one even have to have a special 3 > product at the app layer to make encryption work?  > L > 2) The encryption would have to be negotiated, wouldn't it?  Even if everyG > app goes through the session layer, and thence through SSL, not every D > remote system has SSL installed, so there'd need to be a handshake' > somewhere for this.  Correct on this?  > L > 3) Does the various SSL products interact properly?  I.e., If one site hasB > OpenSSL and another has SSLeay, will they talk to each other and > encrypt/decrypt properly?  > I > 4) What determines the encryption/decryption method?  Related to Q3, is L > this what has to be agreed upon beforehand, or can they switch on the fly? > 	 > Onward:  > K > Secure Shell (SSH), as I understand it (please correct me if wrong), is a H > means to permit remote interactive logins and file transfers using SSLL > encryption.  These do what telnet and ftp currently do.  Like most network1 > products, it has both a client and server part.  > L > OpenSSH is a client implementation of SSH, but on its web site I don't seeK > VMS listed as an OS it works on.  FISH is a VMS implementation, and while L > it is available, it has been discontinued.  Its successor (BAMSE) is stillI > under development, and hasn't yet reached a stable, feature-rich state.  > M > SSH_SERVER is a server implementation (courtesy of Ohio State U).  Its last G > update (according to the release notes) is Apr 2002, so I assume it's J > fairly stable, major bugs gone, although its own readme files states the > implementation is "crude". >  > Questions: > J > 5) Are there any other free SSH clients or servers for OpenVMS?  Or, are; > there any products that implement both client and server?  > J > 6) Has anyone had recent experience - positive or negative - with any of > the above products?  > J > 7) Will the old (unencrypted) telnet and ftp continue to work?  I see noJ > reason they would not, as long as SSH listens on a different port, but I@ > might as well ask, because I know I'll be asked this question. >  > Thanks, all. >  > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.edu     E I use OpenSSL with the TeraTerm+TeraTermSSH  (PC Client) VT emualator H and it seems to work better than PUTTY.  A quick google search will findD both.  I have not looked for a VMS SSH client implementation, but itG looks like FISH is still available (but being moth-balled).  Hey, If it  works, then use it.    --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:20:47 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> @ Subject: Re: Raise CPUMAXIMUM (CPU time limit) for a running job' Message-ID: <3E60351F.F71220BD@fsi.net>    Syltrem wrote: >  > Hi > K > Would anyone know if there is a way to raise (or void) the CPU time limit  > set for a running process? > N > The job was submitted on a batch queue that specifies /CPUMAXIMUM = 7 hours,N > but the user called in this morning and said it's a special job thay may run> > for 10-12 hours. It's been running for 24 hours elapsed now. > - > Can this quota be changed for running jobs?   E Like John Laird said, but let me put a slightly different spin on it:   H Changing the data in a queue entry is one thing. Changing the data cells8 in the PCB of a running process is something else again.  G Information supplied when an entry is queued provides the data that JBC D will use when creating the process. Once that's done, changes to the! queue entry would be meaningless.   E Effectively, what you want is to SET PROCESS/CPUTIME=value/IDENT=pid, D and, of course, that functionality is not available from the commandF line. Some kernel-mode code to do this may be possible, but I'm hardly
 one to say...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:16:47 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)@ Subject: Re: Raise CPUMAXIMUM (CPU time limit) for a running jobL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2802032316480001@user-uinj45o.dialup.mindspring.com>  < In article <a4L7a.719$945.2541@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"! <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote:    >Hi  > J >Would anyone know if there is a way to raise (or void) the CPU time limit >set for a running process?  > M >The job was submitted on a batch queue that specifies /CPUMAXIMUM = 7 hours, M >but the user called in this morning and said it's a special job thay may run = >for 10-12 hours. It's been running for 24 hours elapsed now.  > , >Can this quota be changed for running jobs? >  >Thanks!  E Jobs running this long should probably use checkpointing, so they can F restart without starting over.  You might want to explain this to your user.   J AFAIK, VMS itself does not provide a way to change the CPU time limit of a running job.  8 It would certainly be possible to write code to do this.  C There's a chance AMDS/Availability Manager might be able to do this A change.  I don't know these tools well at all, but they can tweek  otherwise untweekable things.    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Feb 2003 12:43 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ( Subject: Re: re CD copy booting off disk- Message-ID: <28FEB200312432238@gerg.tamu.edu>   ! G Everhart <ge@gce.com> writes... M }A copy of a bootable CD onto SCSI disk should boot fine. The driver handling J }between CD and hard drive is almost identical which is why both are dealtE }with by the same driver (even at boot time). An ISO filesystem might F }not be understood by the boot filesystem (tho it uses 512 byte blocksF }too for reading ISO CDs during normal VMS operation), but then the CD }would not boot either.  }  }Glenn Everhart   9 This may, or may not, work. Consdier the BITMAP.SYS file.   E At the least, you will, I would hope, see some sort of message during D the mount (like SHORTBITMAP) and the disk blocks past the end of the" too-small bitmap won't be useable.  B This is assuming that you have at least VMS V7.2 or so. On earlierD versions it sounds like it will probably just not work and may crash the entire system.   $ HELP/MESSAGE SHORTBITMAP  B  SHORTBITMAP,  storage bitmap on RVN 'n' does not cover the entire                device   8   Facility:     ANALDISK, Analyze/Disk_Structure Utility  E   Explanation:  The storage bitmap file, [000000]BITMAP.SYS;1, on the J                 specified relative volume is too small for the device size*                 and volume cluster factor.  M                 This is an informational message. The volume is usable by the M                 file system. However, only the space described by the storage 8                 bitmap is available for file allocation.  N   User Action:  None. However, do not mount this volume on OpenVMS Version 7.1M                 or earlier systems; doing so could cause the system to crash.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:07:38 -0500 > From: "Ray Fusci" <rxfxuxsxcxix(at)xcxhxaxrxtxexrx(dot)xnxext>( Subject: Re: SW500 - a hardware question/ Message-ID: <v605dt5fte1la6@corp.supernews.com>   I The issue is not whether you can mix the power supplies (I have done this E without problems); but rather if the 150W supply can run the shelf by I itself. This will depend on what you put in the shelf. The 180W supply is 7 necessary for certain configurations of "newer" drives.   J So if the 150W supply is happily running the shelf by itself, feel free toF use a 180W supply for redundancy. But if you change the drives in your6 shelf, pay close attention to the configuration rules.   regards,  C "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski.nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message ( news:b3ngc3$2tb9$1@news2.ipartners.pl...	 > Hi all, L > we have got here an old SW500 with BA-356 ("light-grey") shelves. Normally> > they are equipped with 150W (grey and green) power supplies.J > Now we want to implement redundant power supply, but there are only 180WL > power supplies available in sale. The salesman claims that we may use 180WG > supplies in our shelves, but do you know if we may also mix two power  supply > types in a single shelf? > $ > Thank you in advance for any help. >  > T. D.  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:29:39 -0500 / From: "David Reed" <junkman@nospam.comcast.net>  Subject: Terminal Servers 0 Message-ID: <IPydnTGfB50nkf2jXTWc3w@comcast.com>  J Greetings all!  I currently have terminal servers connected to a VAX usingA LAT. I would like the VAX to connect to them with TCP/IP instead. L I can change the default protocol on the TS to Telnet and I can telnet to it5 but I want it to be defined as a "device" on the VAX. H Currently I can use LATCP to define a terminal server and the associatedB ports. I can then "connect" to that device by doing a SET HOST/DTEJ "DEVICENAME". Is there a way to define the terminal server as a device and6 retain the same functionality using IP instead of LAT? Thanks.............. .................David   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:00:34 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com  Subject: Re: Terminal Servers 1 Message-ID: <03022820003478@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   N >>> Greetings all!  I currently have terminal servers connected to a VAX usingE >>> LAT. I would like the VAX to connect to them with TCP/IP instead. P >>> I can change the default protocol on the TS to Telnet and I can telnet to it9 >>> but I want it to be defined as a "device" on the VAX. L >>> Currently I can use LATCP to define a terminal server and the associatedF >>> ports. I can then "connect" to that device by doing a SET HOST/DTE >>> "DEVICENAME".    What type of DECserver?    DECserver 2nn  LAT only + DECserver 300  Boot MOP, Serve LAT & Telnet 7 DECserver 700, 90 Boot MOP or BOOTP, Serve LAT & Telnet   L From what you stated above, I assume you have a 300 series, sorry no can do.   Otherwise, ...  L You will have to configure your VAX TCPIP stack to server BOOTP or DHCP (not real familiar on that).     A >>>  Is there a way to define the terminal server as a device and : >>> retain the same functionality using IP instead of LAT? >>> Thanks.............. >>> .................David    % You can create TELNET print queues...   G Printer queue IPPRT, idle, on NODE1::"ds300:2009", mounted form DEFAULT J   /AUTOSTART_ON=(NODE1::"ds300:2009",NODE2::"ds300:2009") /BASE_PRIORITY=4M   /BLOCK_LIMIT=(1,"") /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) /LIBRARY=OKIDATA Lowercase J   /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)"   /RETAIN=ERROR /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)   You can create SLIP ports...  N You can allow VT terminals to telnet to a server (DECserver does this, not VT)   John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:30:58 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Terminal Servers ' Message-ID: <3E603782.2824B1F2@fsi.net>    David Reed wrote:  > L > Greetings all!  I currently have terminal servers connected to a VAX usingC > LAT. I would like the VAX to connect to them with TCP/IP instead. N > I can change the default protocol on the TS to Telnet and I can telnet to it7 > but I want it to be defined as a "device" on the VAX. J > Currently I can use LATCP to define a terminal server and the associatedD > ports. I can then "connect" to that device by doing a SET HOST/DTEL > "DEVICENAME". Is there a way to define the terminal server as a device and8 > retain the same functionality using IP instead of LAT? > Thanks.............. > .................David  H The "how to" depends on which TCP/IP stack you have, but the practice isG essentially the same for all three: create a virtual device that points & to the address/TCP-port of the target.  F I believe both TCP/IP Services (fka "UCX") and Multinet have something
 like this:  * $ TELNET/CREATE address[/PORT=port-number]  F Not sure about TCPware. In any case, check the doc.'s or on-line help.C Multinet stream symbiont (but *NOT* LPD symbiont!) targets are also  candidates for SET HOST/DTE.  E An alternate way is to use the usual UCX print queue setup procedure, D then CREATE an LAT port (without setting the target node and port orC service name) and SET it /SPOOLED through the print queue you setup  earlier.   Depends what you wanna do.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2003 11:14:58 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0302281114.35e08ebb@posting.google.com>   k "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote in message news:<b3nv1s$1o5mtf$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>...  > Alan E. Feldman wrote: > >... > > I want to do:  > >  > > Gold-PF3 > > Forward Find: STRING > > I > > and have it find all occurrences of regardless of the cases of any of F > > its letters. I want it to Find the strings string, sTRING, String,F > > STRING, etc. But the help you refer me to tells me that I can't do > > that. I have to instead do > >... > L > Here you go Alan, Copy the procedure below into your paste buffer, go to a > VMS window, type the commands  > $ SET TERM/HOST  > $ EDIT/EDT ALAN.COM N > then paste your buffer into the window, exit the editor and type @ALAN. EditK > a file with this newly created TPU section and try searching for "AS" and L > "As" and "as" - you should find all three lines each time. (I know this isK > not all that you are after, but this might make you life a bit easier the 0 > few times where you need to get into EVE. :) ) > M > (watch the wrapping, I have wrapping set for 76 characters and each line is N > less than 76 so it should not be a problem, but I am using OE to post this.) >  > $!- > $ create sys$login:new_find_target_case.tpu G > procedure eve$set_find_target_case      ! Set target's case exactness  >     (how_exact)  > @ > ! EVE's FIND is case-sensitive unless (1) sensitivity has beenA > ! set to noexact, and (2) the target is all lowercase, in which ( > ! case the search is case-insensitive. > I > ! Modified to remove case (2) 28-FEB-2003 so Alan will be a bit happier  > E > local   lowercase_target,       ! Lowercase version of eve$x_target  >         the_target;  >  [rest of procedure omitted]    It worked! Thanks!   Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:05:49 -0500 . From: "Leo Demers" <leo_dot_demers@HP_dot_com>( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?, Message-ID: <3e5fb4eb$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  E Oops sorry about that cranial expulsion of gas, I got a bit mixed up. J  The "twice that" price aka $5-10K per port is the target where we believe there /  will need to be a supported offering on Alpha.   H It's interesting that foundry is saying 2006 that seems a bit later than some of the J hype from others who indicate earlier dates in 2005 but either way that is why we1 are planning an offering in that rough timeframe.   J As today's cost per port (near $50K as referenced) it is much too high forJ the sweet spot of our customers base.  We continue to talk to NIC provides* and evaluate them for our future offering.L BTW: All of the test cards we have seen are PCI-X based to get to their full
 potential.3 I don't think PCI can drive that kind of bandwidth.     - Leo --
 Leo Demers  OpenVMS Security Product Manager Leo_dot_Demers_at_HP_dot_COM8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:FJrsqC7bPFZ+@eisner.encompasserve.org... ; > In article <3e5f96f9$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Leo Demers" # <leo_dot_demers@HP_dot_com> writes:  > ? > > Right now the cost per port for 10Gig is something close to G > > $2K per NIC and nearly twice that per port on a switch so cost is a  factorK > > here as well as selecting a vendor who's cards will perform and that'll  be > > around in a few years. > G > Do you have a reference for those 10 Gig port and switch prices?  The B > reason I ask, this author must have badly butchered his research > on the subject:  >  > L http://www.computerworld.com/networkingtopics/networking/lanwan/story/0,1080 1,76979,00.html  > I > "Although most 10 Gigabit Ethernet offerings fall into the $50,000 [per  port] K > range, Enterasys Networks' recent rollout, priced under $30,000, could be  the ( > start of a downward trend in pricing." >  > Likewise:  >  > L http://www.computerworld.com/networkingtopics/networking/lanwan/story/0,1080 1,76977,00.html  > H > "But even though the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers Inc.I > approved the final 10 Gigabit Ethernet standard last June, the price of  entry L > -- at an average of $50,000 per port -- has kept most organizations on the
 > sidelines."  >  > [snip] > K > "By 2006, the cost [for 10 GBit enet] will be $5,000 to $6,000 per port," B > predicts Chandra Kopparapu, director of product marketing at San
 Jose-based& > switch vendor Foundry Networks Inc." >  > Rob  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:05:15 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?& Message-ID: <3E60317B.F3C9369@fsi.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > < > Has Digital/compaq/HP announced any plans to improve VMS ?  * Here's one I wished for (again) this week:  E Some way to prevent files queued for printing or batch execution from  being deleted.  G I was thinking about that on the way home, and I wondered: how 'bout if G the SUBMIT program (supports the SUBMIT and PRINT commands in DCL) were F modified to set an application ACE on a file's ACL when submitted, andF the QUEUE_MANAGER (or JBC?) cleared it when the entry was deleted fromH the queue database? The ACE could perhaps contain some hash of the entryG number and the date queued so there'd be a way to correlate an ACE to a  queue entry.  H Then, the DELETE program (supports the DELETE and PURGE commands in DCL)G could be modified to check for queue system ACEs and refuse to delete a ! file with such an ACE in its ACL.   G That would protect against batch/print jobs failing due to queued files  having been PURGEd or DELETEd.   Thoughts anyone?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:13:41 GMT 9 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john-nope@wontwork-ossc.net> , Subject: Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user name: Message-ID: <FxO7a.1308$Xu.737522@news1.news.adelphia.net>  ; "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com> wrote in message > news:inO7a.6401$Wl3.646971@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...L > How do you get COPY /FTP to work with a particular user? It uses anonymousA > access by default. You'd expect that you could turn it off with D > /NOANONYMOUS, but that doesn't seem to do it. Here's what I tried: > : > COPY /FTP /NOANONYMOUS SAMPLE.TXT NODENAME::"sample.txt" > C > The logs on the target node show that it's still trying to log in I > anonymously, with the password of 'user@nodename' as mentioned in HELP.  The G > TCP/IP user's manual only refers you back to HELP. The remote node is ( > Windows 2000 so I can't use COPY /RCP. >  >   ; Specify the username and password as you would with DECnet:   2     $ COPY /FTP file.txt host"username password"::   -John    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:02:38 GMT 0 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com>( Subject: Using COPY/FTP with a user nameD Message-ID: <inO7a.6401$Wl3.646971@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  J How do you get COPY /FTP to work with a particular user? It uses anonymous? access by default. You'd expect that you could turn it off with B /NOANONYMOUS, but that doesn't seem to do it. Here's what I tried:  8 COPY /FTP /NOANONYMOUS SAMPLE.TXT NODENAME::"sample.txt"  A The logs on the target node show that it's still trying to log in K anonymously, with the password of 'user@nodename' as mentioned in HELP. The E TCP/IP user's manual only refers you back to HELP. The remote node is & Windows 2000 so I can't use COPY /RCP.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:41:13 GMT 0 From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com>, Subject: Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user nameC Message-ID: <tXO7a.2602$O7.323@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   D "John Gemignani, Jr." <john-nope@wontwork-ossc.net> wrote in message4 news:FxO7a.1308$Xu.737522@news1.news.adelphia.net...= > "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com> wrote in message @ > news:inO7a.6401$Wl3.646971@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...D > > How do you get COPY /FTP to work with a particular user? It uses	 anonymous C > > access by default. You'd expect that you could turn it off with F > > /NOANONYMOUS, but that doesn't seem to do it. Here's what I tried: > > < > > COPY /FTP /NOANONYMOUS SAMPLE.TXT NODENAME::"sample.txt" > > E > > The logs on the target node show that it's still trying to log in K > > anonymously, with the password of 'user@nodename' as mentioned in HELP.  > The I > > TCP/IP user's manual only refers you back to HELP. The remote node is * > > Windows 2000 so I can't use COPY /RCP. > >  > >  > = > Specify the username and password as you would with DECnet:  > 4 >     $ COPY /FTP file.txt host"username password"::  K Thanks, that didn't occur to me at all! Works perfectly. I do wish that the I local username and password was passed instead of having to put them into  the batch plaintext.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2003 14:10:38 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user name3 Message-ID: <ur0QmzzuAONc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   v In article <tXO7a.2602$O7.323@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com> writes: > F > "John Gemignani, Jr." <john-nope@wontwork-ossc.net> wrote in message6 > news:FxO7a.1308$Xu.737522@news1.news.adelphia.net...  > >> Specify the username and password as you would with DECnet: >>5 >>     $ COPY /FTP file.txt host"username password"::  > M > Thanks, that didn't occur to me at all! Works perfectly. I do wish that the K > local username and password was passed instead of having to put them into  > the batch plaintext.  D VMS does not retain a copy of the local password, as that would be a security risk.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2003 14:31:06 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user name3 Message-ID: <STGQd$pDrk1Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <inO7a.6401$Wl3.646971@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@example.com> writes: L > How do you get COPY /FTP to work with a particular user? It uses anonymousA > access by default. You'd expect that you could turn it off with D > /NOANONYMOUS, but that doesn't seem to do it. Here's what I tried: > : > COPY /FTP /NOANONYMOUS SAMPLE.TXT NODENAME::"sample.txt" >       Same as using COPY with DECnet:   @    copy/ftp sample.txt nodename"username password"::"sample.txt"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:36:20 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com , Subject: Re: Using COPY/FTP with a user name1 Message-ID: <03022814362098@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   O >>> Thanks, that didn't occur to me at all! Works perfectly. I do wish that the M >>> local username and password was passed instead of having to put them into  >>> the batch plaintext.    ! How to avoid the batch plaintext?   ~ Use an algorythm for the password, the following DCL example - I would suggest you create a compiled code.  The concept is the same.  The idea is to change the password daily (according to a set algorythm) that would require your code to use the algoryth tow figure it out.  This at least keeps people guessing what it is.  Their are probably other methods to do this, ACL, etc.   C This procedure would obviously be in a secure area (no world privs)        $! $!
 $ set noon $ set nover  $!- $ if (p1 .eqs. "GET") then gosub get_password - $ if (p1 .eqs. "SET") then gosub set_password  $ exit $! $!* $!----------------------------------------  $! this portion runs at midnight4 $! this SETS the password according to the algorythm $! $ set_password:  $ gosub run_algorythm  $ define sys$output nl:  $ set terminal /noecho6 $ mcr authorize modify 'username' /password='password' $ set terminal /echo $ deassign sys$output  $ exit $! $!* $!----------------------------------------, $! this portion runs any time during the day4 $! this GETS the password according to the algorythm $! $ get_password:  $ gosub run_algorythm  $ define sys$output nl:  $ set terminal /noecho% $ username_password :== "''password'"  $ set terminal /echo $ deassign sys$output  $ exit $! $!* $!----------------------------------------( $! this portions determines the password $! $ run_algorythm:: $ if (p2 .eqs. "") then username = f$getjpi("","USERNAME")$ $ len = f$string(f$length(username)). $ dts = f$extract(0,10,f$cvtime()) - "-" - "-" $! $ un0 = f$extract(0,1,username)  $ un1 = f$extract(1,1,username)  $ un2 = f$extract(2,1,username)  $ un3 = f$extract(3,1,username)  $ un4 = f$extract(4,1,username)  $ un5 = f$extract(5,1,username)  $ un6 = f$extract(6,1,username)  $ un7 = f$extract(7,1,username)  $ un8 = f$extract(8,1,username)  $ un9 = f$extract(9,1,username) ! $ un10 = f$extract(10,1,username) ! $ un11 = f$extract(11,1,username)  $! $ dts0 = f$extract(0,1,dts)  $ dts1 = f$extract(1,1,dts)  $ dts2 = f$extract(2,1,dts)  $ dts3 = f$extract(3,1,dts)  $ dts4 = f$extract(4,1,dts)  $ dts5 = f$extract(5,1,dts)  $ dts6 = f$extract(6,1,dts)  $ dts7 = f$extract(7,1,dts)  $!y $ password = f$edit(len+un0+dts0+un1+dts1+un2+dts2+un3+dts3+un4+dts4+un5+dts5+un6+dts6+un7+dts7+un11+un10+un9,"COLLAPSE")  $ return $! $!     John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 04:30:07 GMT - From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian 'Jarai' Chase)  Subject: Re: VAX Emulators) Message-ID: <7bm5j-p8j.ln1@pez.jarai.com>   9 In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEGAGLAA.tom@kednos.com>, " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  M > Thanks Robert.  I am aware of the shortcommings of benchmarking, but what I  > was . > looking for was something like the following > E > 100Mhz VAX = x MHz Alpha = VAX EMUL on y Mhz Intel or AMD something  > x=?  > y=?   G Which VAX, which Alpha, which IA32?  The underlying architecture varies F quite a lot over the different implementations /within/ each of those E processor types.  The amount of computation that can be completed per ) MHz involves a number of other variables.    -brian.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Feb 2003 14:30:15 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions 3 Message-ID: <l27gIuDfhovO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3E5F8EA5.8080306@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes: > * > All managed using UNIX backup utilities. >       How good are the restores?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:02:39 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> ! Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions $ Message-ID: <3e5ff895$1@news.si.com>  D >They want to NFS mount drives and backup the data, etc.  Gasp-Argh!  E Ask them how they intend to restore a VMS system whose sstem disk has  crashed? --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:10:53 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> ! Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions " Message-ID: <3e5ffa83@news.si.com>  L >Just out of curiosity can you get faster network cards for VAX 4000-108's ?# >If so what models are compatible ?   ? Take a look at http://www.nemonixinc.com/scsi-vax-3185-4106.htm   G We have one of these boards and it does 100 Mb Ethernet quite well, but I there's a drawback.  The device doesn't become visible until SYCONFIG.COM ; runs - long after the cluster needs to form.  If you have a J mixed-interconnect cluster, the SCS traffic will run over this device, but. at a later time than when joining the cluster. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:51:45 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> ! Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions ' Message-ID: <3E600421.2030807@MMaz.com>    Brian Tillman wrote:  M >>Just out of curiosity can you get faster network cards for VAX 4000-108's ? $ >>If so what models are compatible ? >>     >> > @ >Take a look at http://www.nemonixinc.com/scsi-vax-3185-4106.htm > H >We have one of these boards and it does 100 Mb Ethernet quite well, butJ >there's a drawback.  The device doesn't become visible until SYCONFIG.COM< >runs - long after the cluster needs to form.  If you have aK >mixed-interconnect cluster, the SCS traffic will run over this device, but / >at a later time than when joining the cluster.  >    > H Besides the fact that this eliminates a remote boot over the faster NI, H right?, is it not true that you cannot move the actual SCS traffic back B over to the faster NI but rather only routing DECnet, LAT, and IP I traffic over the faster NI?  If you are pushing SCS, are you sure and if   so, how are you doing that?    Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:56:37 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: Volume set across RAID55 Message-ID: <VGS7a.155217$Rb4.1998408@news.chello.at>   a In article <t2gn5voo8fio4f7jr09k0vsdcaivjal3e4@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> writes: W >On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:47:17 -0600, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: @ >>...but that said, consider: HBVS *IS* RAID, RAID-1 to be exactJ >>(shadowing/mirroring). Shadow-sets can be bound into volume-sets. ShouldB >>anything happen to a shadow-set (like lose all the members), the >>volume-set goes *PIFT*.  >>D >>That's why I prefer using mirrored stripe-sets that are mounted asI >>single-volume disk devices. Stripe for capacity, mirror for redundancy. C >>Watch your FAILEDSET and SPARESET, and set your mirror-set member $ >>replacement policy as appropriate. > F >Wait 'til you get to use and EVA.  The way that Vraid is done for you7 >will make all that additional configuration work - and 5 >application/database performance work - go bye, bye.  > / >Everyone uses all spindles - thus no hotspots.  > C >You get a slowdown in the I/O, just add more spindles and, ta da!, $ >everyone's performance is improved. > D >It's just simply amazing the simplification that the EVA can bring.  G Image an application where uptime is important and so the backup window C is minutes if not seconds. With HBVS there is a chance that you use E 3 member shadowsets and change one of the disks within this couple of G minutes (MINICOPY or maybe MINIMERGE) and then do the backup afterwards D from the outrotated disk. What is the best way to do this with EVA ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:30:47 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: Volume set across RAID5' Message-ID: <3E602967.E1F7C825@fsi.net>    John Santos wrote: > / > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, David J. Dachtera wrote:  > [...]  >  > > G > > Not vaulable to me unless there's some SUPPORTED way to add a third J > > mirror-set member(-set), split that mirror off and present it as a new@ > > unit or backup from within an OpenVMS batch job (lights-out, > > unattended). > ? > If I understand EVA correctly, I think it presents a bunch of D > virtual disks to the host(s), much as the older RAID-5 controllersC > can do.  You get to decide how big each virtual disk is, somewhat = > like partitioning a disk on a PC or in (many, all?) Unices.  > D > The virtual disks are spread across all spindles, with redundancy,. > but you don't have to worry about that part. > D > If you have a database disk you want to snapshot, I think what youB > do is take two partitions of the same size and shadow them (with= > traditional VMS volume shadowing).  When backup time comes, ? > quiese the application, close all the files (or have it flush B > all pending I/O), split the shadow set by dismounting one member? > (or dismount the shadow set and remount just one member), and ? > resume the application.  This should only take a few seconds.  > = > Then remount the split-off snapshot member, back it up, and  > re-add to the shadow set.   G That's *EXACTLY* the part I want to avoid: shadow copies and/or merges.   F ...besides, as I understand snap-shots, when you're done with 'em, youE don't add 'em back to shadow-sets, you essentially discard them. Tell C the array to dissolve it (or whatever the command might be - dunno,  don't have the doc.'s for it).  > > This is just like doing the same thing now, except the units> > of the shadow sets aren't real disks anymore, but are chunks > of EVA storage.  > 9 > (BTW, 2 extra points about this snap-shot method... The : > application needs to be able to record its status in its: > journal or log files at the time of the snapshot, if you: > want to be able to recover after restoring the snapshot.; > A backup is useless if you don't know exactly when it was 
 > performed!    @ That's true of the shadow/mirror-split method, also. Since it isH typically fully automated (no mater *HOW* hard the storage people try toH prevent you from automating), you know by the time stamp(s) in the OPCOM@ log and/or the job log(s) exactly when the "snapshot" was taken.  + > Second, it is possible to write an app to ; > record its progress to a transaction log, rather than the : > real database, so that processing can continue (maybe at< > a degraded rate) while the flushing/dismounting/remounting< > is going on, so the users don't actually see any down time8 > at all.  I think most (all?) DBMS systems use these or: > similar methods to make online backups, but you can also > roll your own using RMS.)   E ...and of course, you're talking about app.'s where you can make such D mod.'s without going through months and/or years of re-certification with gov't agencies.   *SIGH*  G For my money, full automation remains the way to go, even if that means E using some unsupported freeware to make my enterprise backup solution  work.   E Then again, if the necessary API documentation were readily available  (even for a price)...   > (PSSST! Larry K. - looking for another programming challenge?)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:32:56 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: Volume set across RAID5& Message-ID: <3E6029E8.42A42F6@fsi.net>   jlsue wrote: > @ > You can pretty easily - via DCL scripts  - create snapshots or7 > snapclones to automate this at the controller level.     Care to share the secrets?   > It's much nicer D > than the hszterm-like utilities of old when it comes to scripting.  A Until Cerner certifies 'em, it's still just a pipe dream to me...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:33:47 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: Volume set across RAID5' Message-ID: <3E602A1B.1FB56331@fsi.net>    Carl Karcher wrote:  > : > In a previous article, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote: > I > ->.. If you have a database disk you want to snapshot, I think what you D > ->do is take two partitions of the same size and shadow them (with& > ->traditional VMS volume shadowing). > E > Keep in mind that the snapshot capability is an extra cost  license H > option for the EVA. It's sold in various maximum storage capacities of) > 1.6, 3.1, 6.2, 12.3 and 17.5 TB chunks.   E Yeah - they *STILL* don't know how to price things without alienating  the customer base...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:42:41 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: Volume set across RAID5' Message-ID: <3E602C31.456B3240@fsi.net>    jlsue wrote: > 9 > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:30:22 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > >jlsue wrote:  > >> > @ > >> Well, sure, but that's why they put the intelligence in theG > >> controller.... to save YOU time and energy.  The management of the B > >> storage is now automated, and optimized for performance *and*C > >> reliability.  (For example, when you create a VRAID-1 LUN, the C > >> controller takes care that LBN 'x' is mirrored on a completely # > >> different drive in the group.)  > > F > >Not vaulable to me unless there's some SUPPORTED way to add a thirdI > >mirror-set member(-set), split that mirror off and present it as a new ? > >unit or backup from within an OpenVMS batch job (lights-out,  > >unattended).  > B > This is an interesting point of discussion.  People who are veryF > comfortable with the older JBOD-like lun presentation will recognize6 > this sentiment - and I also fall into this category. > G > EVA provides other ways to do the same thing.  It's not *exactly* the G > same as cloning under HSJ/D/Z/G controllers, but it provides the same * > functionality from a backup perspective. > H > You'd typically use snapshot or snapclone to do this with EVA.  It can4 > be automated for "lights-out", unattended backups.  > ...and the secret is ... ? (Maybe I shoulda been a dentist...)   > > F > >> It appears that you have your doubts about it and don't trust it, > > J > >No, everytime "they" come up with a new way to make my life "easier", IJ > >have to spend six or seven man-months trying to find ways to circumventJ > >it so I can get what I need out of it without sacrificing reliablility. > G > Yes, I've found myself in that position a few times as well.  In this B > case, though it doesn't technically work the exact same way, theD > overall functionality is there.  The main part missing is that youF > can't identify which specific disks have the data (well, actually itG > spreads the data all over).  It can be disconcerting at first because   > it is significantly different.  E Well, when I wrote my backup solution as mentioned to Jeff Cameron in G another thread, the only time I needed to care which disc was which was G when adding storage to an existing array or when a disc went bad. After H adding storage, I just ran a DCL proc. to collect the configuration info? and build the data files that drove the mirror-set split/rejoin  procedures.   E > I've run through my own doubting sessions with it before getting to G > where I am today on the subject.  It's pretty fascinating technology, 	 > really.   F I'm sure it is. I'm anxious to see it, but I know its still years downE the road for us. We're stuck with what the vendor supports, and EVA's , not on Cerner's roadmap anytime soon, AFAIK.  
 > > [snip]2 > >As long as we can get the throughput we need... > H > As Rob has stated in another part of this discussion, that could be anE > issue.  Not sure how your application stacks up in that requirement G > area.  And, as he also pointed out, it's not in the "fully supported"  > status yet either.  H The "application" is Cerner Millenium - *HIGHLY* I/O intensive. In fact,= we're putting in GS1280s rightnow, and we expect the greatest E improvement to come due to the changes in the I/O subsystems, not the  increased processing power.    > > I > >> I think we have the technology available in different locations that F > >> you can test-drive.  I think we also have some travelling "truck"A > >> that's full of gear that goes around the country demoing our $ > >> technology.  Also, if you go toG > >> DECUS/HPETS/whatever-its-called-this-year, you'll probably have an % > >> opportunity for hands-on access.  > > J > >That'd be cool. For now, though, I'm still fighting off the "EMC is theI > >cooling thing sinced sliced bread" crowd. (Too bad the damned thing is A > >unreliable with the shadow-sets that are the basis or Cerner's  > >redundancy strategy.) > D > I have worked with other health care offices who have been throughE > similar discussions and analyses.  OpenVMS, Cerner app, and EVA  vs F > EMC storage.  My own, personal, view into this is that the EMC costsG > tend to be a lot higher, taking the next 3-5  years into account - it G > can depend on how much your storage config needs to change over time. H > We provide self-management of the storage at a somewhat cheaper price.  A All ya gotta do know is convince the Windows Weenies who make the , decisions to go StorageWorks instead of EMC.  ( Do *THAT*, and the world is your oyster!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:56:00 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: Volume set across RAID5' Message-ID: <3E602F50.250B5272@fsi.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > [snip]J > Unless you pick yourself up and actually deign to learn something rather# > than just nurse your bruised ego.   H True. I should have learned by now that sparring with you is an exercise, in futility rather than typing this reply...   Let's see now, ...  D o ...with HSx, you plan your disk farm and implement it, and when it. gets full you plan changes and implement them.  D o ...with EVA, you plan your disk farm and implement it, and when it/ gets full, you plan changes and implement them.   5 Hey! You're right! EVA makes a *WORLD* of difference!    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:20:59 +0100 5 From: "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> 6 Subject: re: [CDU] Compiler doesn't work over DECnet ?. Message-ID: <E18oq43-0006Sg-00@mailer.gwdg.de>  # Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@hp.com> asked:  >[...]J > It looks like CDU is using RMS function which is not supported in DECNET
 > operations.  > > > Out of interest, when was the last time this command worked?  % I SPRed the problem against VMS V4.5.   < Receipt acknowledged by DEC Munich (VAX-4336s 14-APR-1987), < but no reply - as was usual around here, at that time, with + SPRs of priority 3 ("MINOR SYSTEM IMPACT").   M Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de M GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claim intended! M http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org>    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.117 ************************