1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 05 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 125       Contents:" Re: Announcing Weatherduck for VMS" Re: Announcing Weatherduck for VMS" Re: Announcing Weatherduck for VMS Re: C-Kermit 8.0.208 CLI question for HP reps Re: CLI question for HP reps disk queue length in monitor6 RE: Editor wars - Was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?6 Re: Editor wars - Was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?6 Re: Editor wars - Was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?. Re: EDT and command tables have invalid format  Re: Fix for EDT emulation in EVE  Re: Fix for EDT emulation in EVE& Re: hobbiest RDB/Sql*Services security; Re: hobbiest RDB/Sql*Services security (unrelated question) ; Re: hobbiest RDB/Sql*Services security (unrelated question) ; Re: hobbiest RDB/Sql*Services security (unrelated question) B Re: Ideas for implementing fork() on VMS ?, was: Re: fork() on VMS Re: Internet attacks Re: Internet attacks Re: Internet attacks Mailbox and their logicals Re: Mailbox and their logicals Move Over, Alpha Down  Re: Questions on SSH for VMS Samba Getpeername question Re: Samba Getpeername question Re: SCS/DECnet over IP4 Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email4 Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email4 Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email4 Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email4 RE: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email4 Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email4 Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email4 Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email7 Re: strange behaviour of SET ENVIRONMENT/NODE in SYSMAN  Re: unix Re: unix/ Re: Upgrade to OPEN VMS 7.3-1 - Patches needed? / Re: Upgrade to OPEN VMS 7.3-1 - Patches needed? / Re: Upgrade to OPEN VMS 7.3-1 - Patches needed? / Re: Upgrade to OPEN VMS 7.3-1 - Patches needed?  Re: VMS Backup solutions Re: VMS Backup solutions Re: VMS Backup solutions, Re: VMS Backup solutions (alias directories) [OT}:to Sue   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:28:00 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: Announcing Weatherduck for VMS / Message-ID: <3E64FE31.F8BA89EF@vl.videotron.ca>   ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: M > I was using CSWB (Compaq Slower-that-frigid-sap Web Browser) and didn't see N > any of these "Java" applets.  Is it that Java is not enabled by default withN > CSWB?  I looked under "Advanced" in the "Preferences" menu and "Enable Java" > is presently checked.   L There is one of the code below for all of the various possible menu options.F (I guess using a pull down menu would have been too simple). Note that3 <applet> has been deprecated in favour of <object>.   C <applet code="fphover.class" codebase="./" width="266" height="24">   &   <param name="color" value="#D4D0C8">  +   <param name="hovercolor" value="#FFFFFF">   '   <param name="effect" value="average">   '   <param name="font" value="Helvetica">   *   <param name="fontstyle" value="regular">  $   <param name="fontsize" value="18">  8   <param name="text" value="DuckCo's WeatherDuck Store">  =   <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="Store_Frames.htm">   	 </applet>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:41:03 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com + Subject: Re: Announcing Weatherduck for VMS 1 Message-ID: <03030415410396@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   M > It's all moot now.  I called Bill Farmer and placed an order.  New toys are  > on their way.   ' Sorry you don't see things my way... ;)    John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:11:48 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")+ Subject: Re: Announcing Weatherduck for VMS 6 Message-ID: <00A1C5E8.D719DE91@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  S In article <00A1C5D6.CDDEDC9B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: c >In article <3E64D322.EAD6120D@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  >>brandon@dalsemi.com wrote:3 >>> At the very bottom of the page - use this link:  >>> . >>> http://www.weatherduck.us/Store_Frames.htm >>> S >>> Then on that page, there is Dollars (US), Pounds Sterling (GB), and Euro links.  >>>  >>= >>I is one of those "I had to do a view source"  types sites.  >>P >>The guy expects you to have JAVA to be able to click on the link that gets youM >>to the store. And Javascript to see the examples (Time Warner Colorado and   >>WCF DR Center buttons).  >>N >>If you have java disabled, none of the optiosn appear because each option is >>its own JAVA applet. > L >I was using CSWB (Compaq Slower-that-frigid-sap Web Browser) and didn't seeM >any of these "Java" applets.  Is it that Java is not enabled by default with M >CSWB?  I looked under "Advanced" in the "Preferences" menu and "Enable Java"  >is presently checked.  7 You have to install the Java plug-in to make that work.    -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:10:27 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: C-Kermit 8.0.208 6 Message-ID: <00A1C5E8.A7311DCA@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  b In article <3E64D4B1.1E5A5CC3@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >Frank da Cruz wrote: J >> Eased but not lifted.  This is why we are allowed to put the source outM >> in the open, but not the binaries.  Previously we couldn't put the sources 
 >> up either.  > C >Wow, talk about politicians really being so clueless. What sort of M >justification was given for not distributing binaries, but allowing source ?   M I don't know the answer, but I know an argument: Source is considered speech, ) as in freedom of speech; binaries aren't.    -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:57:59 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: CLI question for HP reps 2 Message-ID: <b4340f$78g$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  M Over the last years we get more and more open source software and other Unix  P software being ported to VMS by HP engineers. That is nice, that way we can use # all that stuff too. So far so good.   J However what I don't like is the fact that we don't get a VMS commandline M interface with these products. Instead we have to use Unix style commandline  N interfaces, so instead of some thing like "/output=myfile" we have to use "-X L myfile" , not to be confused with "-x myfile" because that will most likely F delete a file with that name :-). And if you make a mistake in a Unix M commandline, the program will usualy show you all command parameters you can  M use, in most cases all characters of the alphabet in uppercase and lowercase.   K I have been told that it is not so very difficult to add a VMS commandline  O interface to a program. After all the people who port Zip and Unzip for us can  + do it too, and they don't even work for HP.   O So my question is why can't we get a 'real' VMS commandline interface to these  Q products. Is it lazyness of the engineers, or are we slowly being pushed to Unix  J commandlines, or doesn't have HP the manpower to make the VMS commandline P interface, or what ? Does VMS engineering have a policy in this, and if so what  is it ?   = Perhaps Fred, or Kerry or Hoff can shed some light on this ??    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:24:35 -0500 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>% Subject: Re: CLI question for HP reps - Message-ID: <3E64E153.22008.62281F@localhost>   ( On 4 Mar 2003 at 21:57, Dirk Munk wrote:Q > So my question is why can't we get a 'real' VMS commandline interface to these   > products.   > The idea is to easily port these Unix tools to VMS.  To add a E different interface would require some programming.  And it wouldn't  C be useful to the Unix people, anyway (might even get in their way).   C This might be a great open-source project for someone to pick up...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2003 21:35:32 -0800 # From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) % Subject: disk queue length in monitor = Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0303042135.5f8e4fc1@posting.google.com>   7 when running monitor disk /item=queue on OpenVMS V7.2-1 2 one of my DSA disks is showing rather large values/ the other disks are OK - values between 0 and 4 C on dsa201 the current queue length seems to like a figure of 43880   (but moves around a little) 9 Since there was little activity on this disk at the time, B I suspect this figure is spurious - or should I be more concerned? Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 03 21:29:57 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ? Subject: RE: Editor wars - Was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ? ) Message-ID: <0KF256bMNdli@elias.decus.ch>   W In article <01C2E193.40E2C240@sulfer.icius.com>, Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com> writes: G > VI was still a mess last time I was forced to use it (and I /do/ mean 
 > forced). > H > I am a TPU user who respects EDT, and even uses it occasionally. But IH > still have a soft spot for something called TED on a PDP-11 in the midG > 80s. It was a pure line editor, and could only go one way through the G > file, down. If you went past the line you wanted, you had to exit and G > start again. You /couldn't/ forget to save occasionally. :-) See? You ( > can find something good in any editor. >   A Which reminds me of EDI, which came to VMS from RSX (AFAIK) as a   compatibility mode program.   C That was also a pure line editor, which (IIRC) read in a multi-line C buffer at a time. You could go back within the buffer, but once you F have moved to the next buffer, couldn't go back to the previous buffer without saving the whole file.  3 Yes, my very first editor war was with EDI fans :-)   ) Anyone remember SOS, whilst we are at it?  --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 03 22:39:28 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ? Subject: Re: Editor wars - Was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ? ) Message-ID: <z6ooiEz6qkc6@elias.decus.ch>   n In article <b096a4ee.0303040954.2dd3a45f@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:  ' Just a couple of points from that post:   G > Are these not things that most people want to do (except possibly the D > large file)? With EVE, do you like waiting for minutes for a large/ > file to load and possibly fill the pagefile?    C I use Alphas exclusively nowadays, so the speed is not the issue it D once was. For example I've just loaded a 102,000 block file into TPUF in approximately 10 seconds (and that's while the defragger is busy on that disk).   E I don't remember with which version of VMS TPU's tendency to fill the D pagefile was fixed, by using workfiles, but it has not been an issue  for me for quite some years now.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:14:24 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ? Subject: Re: Editor wars - Was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ? ' Message-ID: <3E655D80.B6EA7567@fsi.net>    Jim Agnew wrote: > J > i almost went there, practiced vi on a dos laptop while reading o'reilly/ > in a playhouse type place while babysitting..  >  > talk about self-torture... >  > and rotten coffee..   ' Hey - when ya got nuttin' else, y'know?   H Even had to deal with a green-screen Hazeltine-emulating tube. Not a badE keyboard (just not good!). I missed my VT220, and the VT102 and VT100 / tubes we'd had a the site before the UN*X shop.   F If anyone knows where "Montagar" comes from, another character in that< same movie says, "Sometimes, I get tired of bein' so old"...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:18:11 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 7 Subject: Re: EDT and command tables have invalid format ' Message-ID: <3E655E63.E1E6C458@fsi.net>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  > [snip]B > LEARN might be possible with ^K.  I use this rarely so I haven't > investigated it much.   D I use this a lot! It's one of the primary reasons why EDT is of more value to me than TPU.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:36:54 GMT   From: Rob Brown <brown@gmcl.com>) Subject: Re: Fix for EDT emulation in EVE L Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303041232560.20208-100000@localhost.localdomain>  , On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, David J. Dachtera wrote:  F > I would never have suspected that the trailing "SEL" would work thatF > way. Is that documented somewhere (cite publication and page number,
 > please)?  ) In EDT's online help (at the "*" prompt):      * HELP WRITE and    * HELP RANGE SELECT   " The syntax of the write command is   * WRITE filename range  E SELECT (or SEL, because I am lazy) is the range from the select mark  ! to the current editting position.      --    / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com A G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)4                                  (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2003 13:31:00 -0800 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)) Subject: Re: Fix for EDT emulation in EVE = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0303041330.7eacb0d3@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E640983.49F8965A@fsi.net>... > Rob Brown wrote: > >  > > > Peter Weaver wrote:  > > > >   > > > > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > > > >...N > > > > > In EDT, I use GOLD-F to write the current buffer to a file. It wouldJ > > > > > be nice if EDT could write the current select range to file. I'dM > > > > > probably put that on GOLD-S or something that I don't currently use  > > > > > for anything else. > > > > >... > > > > # > > > > Does this do what you want?  > > > > L > > > > define key gold s as "cutsr=writesrbuffer paste=writesrbuffer ext wr: > > > > ?*'Enter the Filename to Write: ' =writesrbuffer." > > ( > > Why not (making this up on the fly): > > J > >   define key gold s as "ext wr ?*'Enter the Filename to Write: ' sel." > 2 > Just tried that. Execellent! Thank you so much!  > F > I would never have suspected that the trailing "SEL" would work thatF > way. Is that documented somewhere (cite publication and page number,
 > please)?  
 $ ED A.TMP4     1       $!+  AEFL.COM at GFInet ! 'F$VERIFY(P1)'
 *SHOW VERSC V3.12-03                  COPYRIGHT  DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION  1980 & 1991  *HELP WRITE     WRITE    B The WRITE (abbreviated WR) command creates a file from a specified range 	 of lines.    7 Format: WRITE file-spec [range] [/SEQUENCE[:init:incr]]    F When you specify a range, the text contained in that range becomes theB file. When you do not specify a range, the contents of the current textD buffer becomes the new file.  The cursor position is not affected by the  WRITE command.      ! Additional information available:    	 /SEQUENCE     *HELP RANGE     RANGE    E Range specifications select the exact lines of text on which the line  editing command will operate.    : There are several general classes of range specifications:   9     1.  Single line ranges specify a single line of text. F     2.  Multiple line ranges specify blocks of text, such as an entire bufferD         or all lines from the current line to the end of the buffer.D     3.  Compound ranges combine single line ranges with operators to specify          multiple lines of text. @     4.  Noncontiguous ranges specify multiple lines that are not necessarily           adjacent to one another.      ! Additional information available:    F ALL        AND        BEGIN      BEFORE     BUFFER     DOT        END -       FOR        LAST       MINUS      NUMBER A ORIGINAL   PLUS       REST       SELECT     STRING     THRU        WHOLE     *    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:27:36 -0800* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>/ Subject: Re: hobbiest RDB/Sql*Services security + Message-ID: <3e64fe28$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>    Welcome to the club, Chris.   K I'm pretty new to all this myself, so take what I say with a large grain of K salt.  I run TCP/IP Services, not UCX, so you may have to adjust what I say % a bit to make it work on your system.   J Anyway, SQS is not run as a TCPIP service.  To get information on your SQSD servers, dispatchers, services, and the like, you'll want to run theK SQLSEV_MANAGE utility that was installed with SQS.  It's in the SYS$MANAGER H directory I believe.  Once you have it running, you must connect to your server before anything else.  A $ @SYS$MANAGER:SQLSRV_MANAGE    (hint: define a logical for this) C SQLSRV> CONNECT SERVER;         (note the semi-colon, SQS needs it)  . . . F SQLSRV> SHOW DISPATCHER FULL;   (shows RMU and SQLSRV dispatcher info)  K I'd also recommend the SQS documentation at Oracle's Rdb site.  You'll have  to register with OTN, though:   4 http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/rdb/content.html   Cheers,  Alder   / "Chris G." <ccc_crg@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:5437ff2f.0303041045.459e1fea@posting.google.com... D > I've just completed installing RDB and Sql/Services on my hobbiestG > Alpha. Sql/Services appears to be running on a couple of IP ports but ' > UCX SHOW SERVICES does not list them.  > C > I only want SQL/Services to accept connections from the localhost / > 127.0.0.1.  IS there an equivalent of UCX SET   > SERVICE/ACCEPT=HOST=127.0.0.1? >  > many thanks! - ChrisG    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:20:54 +0100" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>D Subject: Re: hobbiest RDB/Sql*Services security (unrelated question)6 Message-ID: <b431rn$1qqkbr$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  1 "Chris G." <ccc_crg@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht 7 news:5437ff2f.0303041045.459e1fea@posting.google.com... D > I've just completed installing RDB and Sql/Services on my hobbiestG > Alpha. Sql/Services appears to be running on a couple of IP ports but ' > UCX SHOW SERVICES does not list them.  > C > I only want SQL/Services to accept connections from the localhost / > 127.0.0.1.  IS there an equivalent of UCX SET   > SERVICE/ACCEPT=HOST=127.0.0.1? >  > many thanks! - ChrisG    Chris   4 where did you get the rdb and sql distribution kits?; Are the licenses covered by the hobbyist PAK from Montagar?   
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:07:31 -0800 - From: Marc Chametzky <marc+spam@bluevine.net> D Subject: Re: hobbiest RDB/Sql*Services security (unrelated question)) Message-ID: <3E6531B3.60308@bluevine.net>   6 > where did you get the rdb and sql distribution kits?= > Are the licenses covered by the hobbyist PAK from Montagar?   @ Oracle provides them as part of their Oracle Technology Network N (otn.oracle.com). If you log in, click on "Downloads", you'll see "Oracle Rdb & Products" under the Database category.   --Marc   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:31:29 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")D Subject: Re: hobbiest RDB/Sql*Services security (unrelated question)6 Message-ID: <00A1C5EB.973A3D9F@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  [ In article <b431rn$1qqkbr$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  > 2 >"Chris G." <ccc_crg@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht8 >news:5437ff2f.0303041045.459e1fea@posting.google.com...E >> I've just completed installing RDB and Sql/Services on my hobbiest H >> Alpha. Sql/Services appears to be running on a couple of IP ports but( >> UCX SHOW SERVICES does not list them. >>D >> I only want SQL/Services to accept connections from the localhost0 >> 127.0.0.1.  IS there an equivalent of UCX SET! >> SERVICE/ACCEPT=HOST=127.0.0.1?  >> >> many thanks! - ChrisG >  >Chris > 5 >where did you get the rdb and sql distribution kits? < >Are the licenses covered by the hobbyist PAK from Montagar?  N I don't know where Chris got the kits, but the kits are available for downloadG on Oracle Technology Network, otn.oracle.com.  Intended for single-user L developer use; no PAK required.  Should work fine on a hobbyist system, with= the same kinds of restricted use as the hobbyist PAK use has.    -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:25:01 +0100E From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> K Subject: Re: Ideas for implementing fork() on VMS ?, was: Re: fork() on VMS 0 Message-ID: <000b01c2e2ad$aabfa0a0$fe7aa8c0@WS1>   ----- Original Message -----D From: "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> % Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:29 PM G Subject: Ideas for implementing fork() on VMS ?, was: Re: fork() on VMS     ? > In article <cf15391e.0303031657.20e66c98@posting.google.com>, 3 keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:  > > F > > My apologies.  After looking into this more carefully, it appears:H > > (1) The old VMS Integrated POSIX (VIP) product had a fork() functionH > > that could fork a (constrained) VMS process (but that product's been# > > unsupported for some years now) E > > (2) The initial DII-COE releases (7.2-6Cn) don't have fork() (see 9 > > http://openvms.compaq.com/solutions/government/coe/).  > > # > > (1) was what I was thinking of.  > > 6 > > So this fork() is a future feature on the Roadmap. >   > Thanks for the feedback Keith. >  > Next question: > L > Does anybody have _any_ ideas about how to implement fork() on current VMS- > versions, ignoring any performance issues ?   $ Have look in "Ask the wizard" # 1274   on www.openvms.compaq.com    eberhard   >  > Simon. >  > --= > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP D > VMS advocate: One who makes a Mac advocate look like a beginner at	 advocacy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 15:48:22 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>  Subject: Re: Internet attacks ' Message-ID: <3E651116.5C537AFA@vcu.edu>   E thanks... i've disusered for now those accounts of mine that match...  luckily, they were low-usage...    Bob Koehler wrote: > d > In article <3E64617A.EF89D3EB@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > > $ > > Username:                 access# > > Username:                 admin * > > Username:                 administrato$ > > Username:                 anyone$ > > Username:                 backup" > > Username:                 data! > > Username:                 ftp % > > Username:                 ftproot $ > > Username:                 oracle% > > Username:                 oracle8 & > > Username:                 pwrchute" > > Username:                 root$ > > Username:                 server$ > > Username:                 sybase" > > Username:                 test" > > Username:                 user! > > Username:                 web ' > > Username:                 webmaster ! > > Username:                 www  > L >    These look familiar.  We've got blocks at every level on an address for >    doing this.   --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:12:53 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: Internet attacks / Message-ID: <3E6532D3.94DE5057@vl.videotron.ca>   O Suppose I discover a live attack attempt on my machine (as happened yesterday).   J Would it be possible inside of TCPIP Services to block all inbound connectK requests from that IP address ? Or must one do this on a service-by-service 	 fashion ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 04:50:10 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>  Subject: Re: Internet attacks ; Message-ID: <6mf9a.3576$J51.448777@news1.news.adelphia.net>    Jim Agnew wrote:G > thanks... i've disusered for now those accounts of mine that match... ! > luckily, they were low-usage...   - You do not have a captive account for "root"?     $ write "Welcome to LINUX for the Z80" Loop1:    Read password with no echo.    if timeout then stop/id 0    if rnd(mostofthetime) then            if retries expired then 	     logout with mismatch.            else               goto loop1    else E          write "your password has expired, please enter new password:  LOOP2:9          read new password with no echo and short timeout "          if timeout then stop/id 0  C           read confirmation password with no echo and short timeout #           if timeout then stop/id 0 B           if rnd(most of the time) or (new_pass <> conf_pass) then/                write "Password does not match." -                if newtries expired goto loop1                 goto loop2            if rnd(x) then7                 write "Password has already been used." .                 if newtries expired goto loop1                 goto loop2    - ! Someone was persitent and made it this far? , read with short timeout and prompt with "# "	 stop/id 0     E Unfortunately my home ISP does not allow me to have any server ports   open to the Internet.      -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:37:57 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca># Subject: Mailbox and their logicals / Message-ID: <3E656300.192E5BC6@vl.videotron.ca>   W Process A creates a mailbox with a group or system logical "CHOCOLATE_MAILBOX" created.   I Process B assigns a channel to "CHOCOLATE_MAILBOX" and sends it chunks of  delicious data.    Process A dies.   N At this point, I know  that the actual MBAnnn: device continues to exist since% B still has a channel assigned to it.   H But will the logical name still exist as well, or does that die when the creator of the mailbox dies ?     J In other words, if I restart A after it dies, am I garanteed that  $CREMBXL will see the existing mailbox and do a $ASSIGN instead of trying to create a totally new one ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 06:07:45 GMT 2 From: mikemyers@NOSPAMcarolina.rr.com (Mike Myers)' Subject: Re: Mailbox and their logicals ; Message-ID: <3e659745.17119618@news-server.carolina.rr.com>   3 When you restart A it will reopen the same channel.   F If it is a temporary mailbox it will cease to exist when all processesD have closed it. If if is a permanent mailbox it will exist until the next reboot.   Later, Mike  , On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:37:57 -0400, JF Mezei( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  X >Process A creates a mailbox with a group or system logical "CHOCOLATE_MAILBOX" created. > J >Process B assigns a channel to "CHOCOLATE_MAILBOX" and sends it chunks of >delicious data. >  >Process A dies. > O >At this point, I know  that the actual MBAnnn: device continues to exist since & >B still has a channel assigned to it. > I >But will the logical name still exist as well, or does that die when the  >creator of the mailbox dies ? >  > K >In other words, if I restart A after it dies, am I garanteed that  $CREMBX M >will see the existing mailbox and do a $ASSIGN instead of trying to create a  >totally new one ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:08:40 GMT ' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>  Subject: Move Over, Alpha Down+ Message-ID: <3E65086F.13E3E470@pacbell.net>   G Well, I completed my office move and got the new DSL line activated and E the west coast DNS is now correctly routing alphase.com to my new IP. G Problem is my Alpha workstation didn't survive the move. It was like it . knew we weren't going back to the old office. H Everything was still working when I brought it down for the last time. IE then carried it lovingly to my home and set it up and... nothing. Not  even a peep!F Must be the power supply, I thought, but I couldn't even get the coverH off. So I brought it down to the only local place that *said* they couldH fix it. They were at least able to get the cover off, but of course theyC had no replacement power supply (SA180-3505), nor did they know any F place to get one. They gave up, so I did a Google-Groups search on theH part and found a single, but useful, reference in the comp.sys.dec groupG which explained about the possible replacement and the additional issue A of a fan that can stop the power, if it's not working. I had them D replace the fan (of course they didn't have that either, but kludgedE one) and it worked for a couple of hours until I got it running here. G Then, last night, I powered it down again (I still had LAN issues). Big G mistake. It's dead again and I'm sick. I had everything set up just the H way I wanted it and now ... well I'm going to try and fix the PS myself,# but it's going to take some awhile.   G In the meantime I am serving my website from my NT box via a simplified H Java based server I found on the web and trying to get a Java based SMTP@ server installed to do the same (I haven't gotten any mail since	 Friday).  G So why the post? Just to vent I guess and ask if anyone out there has a * replacement PS (aka DEC part 30-44170-10). --     *HAD* VMS, Will Travel Wire paladin, San Francisco    (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:29:09 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>% Subject: Re: Questions on SSH for VMS 2 Message-ID: <b432ag$6ct$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Lawrence Bleau wrote: @ > Hi, I'm looking for SSH (secure shell) for VMS Alpha (V7.1-2).L > First, let me see if I'm correct in my concepts; please correct me or fill > in the blanks as needed. > L > The VMS TCPIP (product TCPIP, formerly UCX) stack does not have encryptionK > built in.  This can be added, and is done in the session layer of the OSI M > network model.  The thing that needs to be added is known as secure session F > layer (SSL).  This is provided by an add-on product, one of which is8 > OpenSSL, which is freely available; another is SSLeay. > = > Right so far?  If so, I have a few questions at this point:  > J > 1) If SSL is added couldn't all application layer entities (telnet, ftp,K > email) potentially go through SSL?  Would one even have to have a special 5 > product at the app layer to make encryption work?    > L > 2) The encryption would have to be negotiated, wouldn't it?  Even if everyG > app goes through the session layer, and thence through SSL, not every D > remote system has SSL installed, so there'd need to be a handshake' > somewhere for this.  Correct on this?  > L > 3) Does the various SSL products interact properly?  I.e., If one site hasB > OpenSSL and another has SSLeay, will they talk to each other and > encrypt/decrypt properly?  > I > 4) What determines the encryption/decryption method?  Related to Q3, is L > this what has to be agreed upon beforehand, or can they switch on the fly? > 	 > Onward:  > K > Secure Shell (SSH), as I understand it (please correct me if wrong), is a H > means to permit remote interactive logins and file transfers using SSLL > encryption.  These do what telnet and ftp currently do.  Like most network1 > products, it has both a client and server part.  > L > OpenSSH is a client implementation of SSH, but on its web site I don't seeK > VMS listed as an OS it works on.  FISH is a VMS implementation, and while L > it is available, it has been discontinued.  Its successor (BAMSE) is stillI > under development, and hasn't yet reached a stable, feature-rich state.  > M > SSH_SERVER is a server implementation (courtesy of Ohio State U).  Its last G > update (according to the release notes) is Apr 2002, so I assume it's J > fairly stable, major bugs gone, although its own readme files states the > implementation is "crude". >  > Questions: > J > 5) Are there any other free SSH clients or servers for OpenVMS?  Or, are; > there any products that implement both client and server?  > J > 6) Has anyone had recent experience - positive or negative - with any of > the above products?  > J > 7) Will the old (unencrypted) telnet and ftp continue to work?  I see noJ > reason they would not, as long as SSH listens on a different port, but I@ > might as well ask, because I know I'll be asked this question. >  > Thanks, all. >  > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.edu     L It may please you to know that the "early adapter kit" for SSH was released O today for HP internal use (and maybe for customers who would like to give it a  Q try, ask your HP account manager if like us you need it). It seems from the docs  P that you do need TCP/IP V5.3. At the moment I'm reading the docs, just 33 pages.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2003 12:46:10 -0800 $ From: john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm)# Subject: Samba Getpeername question = Message-ID: <c67e4bdd.0303041246.1560547e@posting.google.com>   @ When trying to connect to my OpenVMS box, it reports back in the log.smbd file:    7 "getpeername failed. Error was socket is not connected"   C What name can it not resolve?  Before it had Denied Connection from C 0.0.0.0, so it appears it cannot resolve the name of the connecting  machine.  F I can ping my machine via IP and name from within TCPIP, so it has DNS resolution.   A How can I get it to resolve names, especially since my network is % Windows 2000 and has no WINS servers.   
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 04:25:17 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> ' Subject: Re: Samba Getpeername question ; Message-ID: <N_e9a.3568$J51.444607@news1.news.adelphia.net>   	 jm wrote: B > When trying to connect to my OpenVMS box, it reports back in the > log.smbd file: > 9 > "getpeername failed. Error was socket is not connected"  > E > What name can it not resolve?  Before it had Denied Connection from E > 0.0.0.0, so it appears it cannot resolve the name of the connecting 
 > machine.  C You might need to turn the debuglevel up higher to get more useful   information.  H > I can ping my machine via IP and name from within TCPIP, so it has DNS
 > resolution.  > C > How can I get it to resolve names, especially since my network is ' > Windows 2000 and has no WINS servers.   H There should be a diagnostic.txt in the SAMBA distribution for the self I tests needed to resolve the problem.  If it is not there, a copy in HTML  ) can be obtained from http://www.samba.org   G The NMBD program is a WINS server, and once you get it working, should  I be used as the WINS server for your Windows 2000 systems.  It will speed  
 things up.  G The DOS NET VIEW commands can be used with the SAMBA NMBLOOKUP program    to troubleshoot the name server.  H With out a WINS or NMBD server set up, the network relies on broadcasts  to resolve netbios names.   H Note that on Microsoft Windows, TCP/IP commands use DNS first, and then & fall back to WINS for name resolution.  G Windows File System uses WINS, and then broadcast to resolve names.  I  ) am not sure that it will use a DNS entry.   H Be very carefull about setting up SAMBA as a master browser if you have D a real Microsoft windows domain controller.  It can cause a browser ? election war that will use up a surprising amount of bandwidth.   G Also please when posting about SAMBA, remind us what release of SAMBA,  G OpenVMS, and TCP/IP are involved, along with any ECOs for the C RTL or  G TCP/IP.  That information can be very significant in getting a correct   answer to a question.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2003 12:34:47 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: SCS/DECnet over IP 3 Message-ID: <KdxoU4hH+rOP@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <3e62e175$0$9537$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@noooo_spammm_optusnet.com.au> writes: >  > SCS/DECnet over IP >  >  > can we do this yet?   $    DECnet, yes, have been for years.  ;    SCS, LAT, MOM/MOP, and other non-routable protocols, no.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 03 22:06:30 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) = Subject: Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email ) Message-ID: <4uityOGn0pbW@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <sNb8QSs6CDxj@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: b > In article <BA89E604.57A0%JCam90502@jcameron.com>, Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> writes:N >> Has anyone have a simple solution for sending OPCOM messages for a specificJ >> class, and/or Security Audit events via email? It would be desirable toK >> execute a DCL script so that I may filter and condense certain messages.  > D > I don't think solutions in that area are "simple", but methods areE > documented.  In the case of OPCOM messages you probably have to use H > a pseudoterminal, while for Audit messages there is the Audit Listener
 > Mailbox. > D > Since the base processing would be written in a compiled language,B > I think it would be a bad idea to use DCL for your filtering and
 > condensing.   K And that base processing should be robust in the case of the Audit Listener E Mailbox. If your listening program terminates unexpectedly, the Audit E Mailbox fills up, and anything wanting to write to it will then hang. G LOGINOUT.EXE is a good example of that, as you can find yourself unable  to login to fix the problem.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:56:01 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>= Subject: Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email / Message-ID: <3E6520D7.8650AAD8@vl.videotron.ca>    Paul Sture wrote: M > And that base processing should be robust in the case of the Audit Listener G > Mailbox. If your listening program terminates unexpectedly, the Audit G > Mailbox fills up, and anything wanting to write to it will then hang. I > LOGINOUT.EXE is a good example of that, as you can find yourself unable  > to login to fix the problem.  K I thought the only supported way of capturing OPCOM messages is to create a ? pseudo terminal (PDT$ routines if I recall) and then issueing a L REPLY/ENABLE=xxx message to that pseudo terminal and then reading the outputI which will be text formatted opcome messages just as they appear on OPA0:    Is there another way ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:06:13 +0000 . From: Graham Burley <100625.30@compuserve.com>= Subject: Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email , Message-ID: <3E653165.41F12D@compuserve.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:  > M > Has anyone have a simple solution for sending OPCOM messages for a specific I > class, and/or Security Audit events via email? It would be desirable to J > execute a DCL script so that I may filter and condense certain messages. >  > Thank you  > Jeff Cameron  ? Well if you can get what you need from OPERATOR.LOG then maybe:   6 $!GRAB_OPCOM.COM - grab & mail selected OPCOM messages $! $ on warning then exit $status  $ on control_y then exit $status $! $       ctx = "" $LOOP:: $       grab/context=ctx/save=summary/out=mail_opcom.tmp -A                 sys$manager:operator.log telnet /cut="%%%  OPCOM" ; $       sections = f$integer(f$element(4,",",GRAB_SUMMARY))  $       if sections .gt. 0( $         then  mail mail_opcom.tmp gb -A                         /subj="You have ''sections' new OPCOM(s)" 
 $       endif  $       delete mail_opcom.tmp;*  $       wait 00:01 $       goto LOOP   B Since GRAB is a search utility this is searching for OPCOM message( blocks that contain the string "TELNET".  A Using the /CONTEXT qualifier means that the next time you use the @ command the search begins where the last one left off, so you'll> only get new messages. If you wanted to run this as a periodic= batch job you'd need to save the context symbol between runs. ? When you create a new OPERATOR.LOG the context will be silently @ updated to reflect the new file, so you could miss messages when1 this happens (to work around this check the FID).   ? If you need to further filter and condense then use the /SYMBOL ; instead of /OUTPUT and you get the output straight into DCL > symbols to process as you wish. If you want to process smaller= chunks then use /LIMIT=n, a %LIMITED status means there could  be more in the file.  @ You can find GRAB with VAX and Alpha binaries in Hunter Goatleys archives at:  !   http://www.process.com/openvms/   @ If you want the latest version with /SYMBOL, which I haven't yet1 sent to Hunter, you can find the source kit here:   3   http://www.encompasserve.org/~burley/grab_src.zip     . %HOBBYIST-?-CODE, coded by an OpenVMS hobbyist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 00:23:40 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> = Subject: Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email 2 Message-ID: <BA8A838B.581D%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  L On 3/4/03 8:16 AM, in article _k49a.78$35.482@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com,* "Chris Olive" <nospam@raytheon.com> wrote:   > Jeff Cameron wrote: N >> Has anyone have a simple solution for sending OPCOM messages for a specificJ >> class, and/or Security Audit events via email? It would be desirable toK >> execute a DCL script so that I may filter and condense certain messages.  >>   > @ > This isn't another "contest" with your Unix friend, is it? 8-) > 2 > (Couldn't resist asking this tongue-in-cheek...) >  > Chris  > ----- 
 > Chris Olive  > Systems Consultant) > Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  > Indianapolis, IN > , > email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com > > No, he's sleeping right now, waiting for his system to reboot.  J I need this because my server has TELNET enabled on the web because I needL to access my system from work, and even though I've got full security turnedI with tough intrusion detection turned on. I notice that I've been getting F several login attempts. I have the intrusion monitoring for certain ip$ addresses hang around for ten years.  K I just want audit security alarms to have their text cleaned up to be breif  and sent to my text pager.   Jeff   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:49:05 -0800$ From: Shane Smith <ssmith@icius.com>= Subject: RE: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email 0 Message-ID: <01C2E26D.FBAB10C0@sulfer.icius.com>  H I can't help with the OPCOM, but I do have a suggestion to help keep the= intruders out in the first place, providing you're using UCX.   A If you have a static IP address at work, set up Telnet so it only H accepts incoming calls from there. You have to disable the service while5 you do this, but IIRC from the UCX prompt you use SET F SERVICE/ACCEPT=HOST=(host,host,...) You can have up to 32 addresses at4 any one time. This is available on all UCX services.  E Personally I like to use UCX's SET HOST to enter mnemonics for the IP < addresses I'm enabling, but the IP address itself works too.   Shane    -----Original Message-----2 From: Jeff Cameron [mailto:JCam90502@jcameron.com]% Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:24 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = Subject: Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email      On 3/4/03 8:16 AM, in article . _k49a.78$35.482@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com,* "Chris Olive" <nospam@raytheon.com> wrote:   > Jeff Cameron wrote: N >> Has anyone have a simple solution for sending OPCOM messages for a specificJ >> class, and/or Security Audit events via email? It would be desirable toK >> execute a DCL script so that I may filter and condense certain messages.  >>   > @ > This isn't another "contest" with your Unix friend, is it? 8-) > 2 > (Couldn't resist asking this tongue-in-cheek...) >  > Chris  > ----- 
 > Chris Olive  > Systems Consultant) > Raytheon Technical Services Corporation  > Indianapolis, IN > , > email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com > > No, he's sleeping right now, waiting for his system to reboot.  E I need this because my server has TELNET enabled on the web because I  needE to access my system from work, and even though I've got full security  turnedA with tough intrusion detection turned on. I notice that I've been  getting F several login attempts. I have the intrusion monitoring for certain ip$ addresses hang around for ten years.  E I just want audit security alarms to have their text cleaned up to be  breif  and sent to my text pager.   Jeff   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2003 16:54:26 -0800 # From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) = Subject: Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email < Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0303041654.3a971dc@posting.google.com>  e Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> wrote in message news:<BA89E604.57A0%JCam90502@jcameron.com>... M > Has anyone have a simple solution for sending OPCOM messages for a specific I > class, and/or Security Audit events via email? It would be desirable to J > execute a DCL script so that I may filter and condense certain messages. >  > Thank you  > Jeff Cameron/ since it's a "local" product I think a plug for 8 http://www.vsm.com.au/opercon/opercon.html is called for Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:24:36 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>= Subject: Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email / Message-ID: <3E655FDF.2BE95BD4@vl.videotron.ca>   
 dooley wrote: 1 > since it's a "local" product I think a plug for : > http://www.vsm.com.au/opercon/opercon.html is called for > Phil  K How dare you list "EDT" *before* TPU on your SPD....  This adds fuel to the  editor jihad :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Mar 03 07:36:18 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) = Subject: Re: Sending OPCOM or Security Audit events via email ) Message-ID: <j0muXSOsujPr@elias.decus.ch>   b In article <3E6520D7.8650AAD8@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Paul Sture wrote: N >> And that base processing should be robust in the case of the Audit ListenerH >> Mailbox. If your listening program terminates unexpectedly, the AuditH >> Mailbox fills up, and anything wanting to write to it will then hang.J >> LOGINOUT.EXE is a good example of that, as you can find yourself unable >> to login to fix the problem.  > M > I thought the only supported way of capturing OPCOM messages is to create a A > pseudo terminal (PDT$ routines if I recall) and then issueing a N > REPLY/ENABLE=xxx message to that pseudo terminal and then reading the outputK > which will be text formatted opcome messages just as they appear on OPA0:  >   L I said in "the case of the Audit Listener Mailbox". I was referring to OPCOM	 messages.    > Is there another way ?   Dunno.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:37:00 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> @ Subject: Re: strange behaviour of SET ENVIRONMENT/NODE in SYSMAN' Message-ID: <3E6562CC.33ECBD30@fsi.net>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  > $ > The question is "bug or feature?". > H > The HELP says to enclose a list of nodes in parentheses, and indeed ifH > one doesn't it doesn't work.  On the other hand, if one uses a logicalF > name (in SYSMAN$NODE_TABLE) for the node list, then one can omit the > parentheses.   DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ mc sysman SYSMAN> doodleF %CLI-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling	  \DOODLE\  SYSMAN>   D Note that the message indicates the CLI as the facility, not SYSMAN.  ? Since SYSMAN uses DCL (CLI$) to parse the command line, this is  expected, documented behavior.  5 > With, say, SET PROTECTION, one cannot leave out the F > parentheses---neither explicitly nor in the definition of a logical.  H Yes, because any list as a qualifier value must be enclosed in paren.'s. Entirely consistent.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2003 11:21:35 -0800 ' From: eugene@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya)  Subject: Re: unix & Message-ID: <3e64fcbf$1@news.ucsc.edu>  ( >>>>> I'll NEVER understand unix people.  G In article <b422bf$4p8$8@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: ' >In article <3e64029e$1@news.ucsc.edu>, , >   eugene@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) wrote:) >>As a co-worker (Dave Tweten) once said: ) >>	If it ain't source, it ain't software. 3 >>And the community has to hold developers to that.  > < >Yea, but how do you wedge that into those little brains who8 >think that it's important to withhold that information?/ >I seem to have spent a lifetime fighting that.   4 I recently took a trip to Florida in January (work).A Growing up in California, one sees TV and billboard/print ads for 7 Florida OJ.  And when I got to FL, I noticed CA OJ ads. F Those providing transportation have it good making money moving goods.> The price has to become prohibitive expensive to prevent that.  ; Buggy software has to become similarly expensive (throw out = those disclaimers and releases) and provide incentives to the A community for better code.  It's not necessarily a monetary cost. 9 Computers aren't deeply embedded into society enough yet. 1 Just as gas is still too cheap in the OJ example.   = >>>if, they get the sources.  One of DEC's fatal mistakes was = >>>to try to keep the "knowledge", a.k.a. sources, to itself; < >>>it was under the misconception that secrecy would protect? >>>its investment and intellectual property.  This is one case  $ >>>where the exact opposite is true. >> >>Girl, you got that right.  > D >Good bit gods!  The earth just shifted right out from under my xxx. >You agreed with me ;-)))).   ? Shoot, you and I just gave the Norwegian the same answer to the - statement below.  Hell must be freezing over.     7 >>That was a slightly different time in the history of   >>intellectual property.# >>Complexity got the better of DEC.  > < >Oh, but see.  My hypothesis is that the complexity wouldn't7 >have gotten out of hand if sources had been shipped.     4 That's why Fred Brooks wrote the Mythical Man-Month.! Complexity is vendor independent.   = >It was a brute force way of keeping us honest.  A great part ; >of shipping sources was maintaining and shipping the tools 8 >that built them.  In addition, the bits that did end up8 >on the magtapes, couldn't be jury-rigged if the sources7 >went along with them.  Like I said it was a very sharp 8 >two-edged sword.  PHBs could not take short-cuts.  Boy,8 >did they try but my source policies didn't let them get9 >away with any short cuts.  It pissed a lot of people off 7 >but we ended up shipping a product that could be built ? >with true verification (a BINCOM would detect no differences).   ; Oh I think the future of software will be even more brutal. * We just have to get the Ada guys involved.     I'll keep the vms on this one.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 03 21:06:54 +0100 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: unix ) Message-ID: <w1Uf0EQpJryo@elias.decus.ch>   E In article <b3sofh$rp0$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: + > In article <0PL33tx$iQG4@elias.decus.ch>, / >    p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote: G >>In article <b3qhii$nu2$4@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:  >> >><snip> >>B >>> Unix could suck eggs but people will still use it if, and only> >>> if, they get the sources.  One of DEC's fatal mistakes was> >>> to try to keep the "knowledge", a.k.a. sources, to itself;= >>> it was under the misconception that secrecy would protect @ >>> its investment and intellectual property.  This is one case % >>> where the exact opposite is true.  >>>  >>A >>Memories of a DEC comms program back in the late 1970s here. It C >>could have saved us an awful lot of money but didn't work. We had C >>the source for at least some of it, but all the comments had been  >>stripped. Plain stupid IMO.  >>@ > I don't believe that.  I would believe that the comments never > existed.   >   D This was a piece of RT11 macro which was supposed to talk to an IBM.  D It appeared that someone had run an editing macro against the source= to search for a semicolon and then delete to the end of line.   F I don't remember the exact details, but the evidence convinced me that was what had happened.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:16:12 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> 8 Subject: Re: Upgrade to OPEN VMS 7.3-1 - Patches needed?5 Message-ID: <0Y69a.7130$Oy.1746@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   L Most of the released ECOs would be pertinent in my configurations, yours may differ.   C Some of the V7.3-1 problems we ran into required new images not yet J available in released patches.  The specific issues we received new images	 for were:   E - HSJ tape drives go into Mount Verify state at dismount (every time) ; - Callable mail programs failing with RMS-F-BUG (very rare) C - Non-fatal INCONSTATE bugchecks in error log (caused by SYS 2 ECO) 2 - SMTP mail hanging in queue (caused by SYS 2 ECO)I - Broken clusterwide mail/print broadcasts (caused by fix to previous two  items)  ' Last unfixed issue we have (so far) is:   J - RMS-F-DME error when searching logfiles (happens rarely, doesn't seem to( be a PIOPAGES issue, but we're not sure)   -Jeff     I "Johan Nordebrink" <johan.nordebrink@se.flextronics.com> wrote in message 7 news:d443f1b8.0303040258.70f9e72d@posting.google.com... > > I am planning to do an upgrade from OPEN VMS 7.2-1 to 7.3-1. > E > Anyone know of some patches(VMS, TCPIP, DECnet IV) that I must also  install? >  > Thank you in advance!  >  > /Johan   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:40:13 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) 8 Subject: Re: Upgrade to OPEN VMS 7.3-1 - Patches needed?. Message-ID: <b436fs$id4$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  K I just did a 7.3-1 upgrade, and I had a few problems.  Maybe this will help  you, maybe it won't.  H 1.  The upgrade messed with my system parameters.  In particular, it setL DEVICE_NAMING and SHADOW_SYS_DISK to 0.  The second one was easy to find, asK none of the machines could even mount the system device.  For the first one J I had to re-RTFM to track down why my port alloclasses were being ignored.  B Solution:  Conversational boot, set the params back to what I had.  A 2.  The firmware upgrade broke a small but vital component of our F application software -- a PL/I routine which sorts an array of approx.E 10,000 double-precision floating point values.  It was giving regular L high-performance arithmetic trap errors on the comparison statement.  When IF put an error handler in to print out what values could be causing such$ consternation, they appeared normal.  H Solution:  Reload firmware v5.9 (which came with 7.3).  One machine -- aJ DS20E -- still has the problem.  Do you have to power-cycle a DS20E to use the new firmware?   + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2003 15:47:16 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: Upgrade to OPEN VMS 7.3-1 - Patches needed?3 Message-ID: <9dyWo8xu6c8E@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <b436fs$id4$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:M > I just did a 7.3-1 upgrade, and I had a few problems.  Maybe this will help  > you, maybe it won't. > J > 1.  The upgrade messed with my system parameters.  In particular, it setN > DEVICE_NAMING and SHADOW_SYS_DISK to 0.  The second one was easy to find, asM > none of the machines could even mount the system device.  For the first one L > I had to re-RTFM to track down why my port alloclasses were being ignored.  , Did you have them entered in MODPARAMS.DAT ?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2003 17:38 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 8 Subject: Re: Upgrade to OPEN VMS 7.3-1 - Patches needed?, Message-ID: <4MAR200317381482@gerg.tamu.edu>  ~ In article <d443f1b8.0303040258.70f9e72d@posting.google.com>, johan.nordebrink@se.flextronics.com (Johan Nordebrink) writes...= }I am planning to do an upgrade from OPEN VMS 7.2-1 to 7.3-1.  } M }Anyone know of some patches(VMS, TCPIP, DECnet IV) that I must also install?  }  }Thank you in advance! }  }/Johan   A VMS721_RENAME_OLD-V0200 would probably be a good plan. There have B been some ECOs that have not stored the correct information in the! VMS$REMEDIAL_OLD_FILES.TXT file.    A        "During an OpenVMS Version 7.3 upgrade,  operating  system A         files  from  the previous version of OpenVMS are deleted. A         Because of  these  file  errors,  files  from  the  newly A         installed  system  may  be  deleted.   This may cause the &         system to become un-bootable."  H So if you have ever applied the affected ECOs and not applied a matching3 RENAME_OLD ECO, you may not appreciate the results.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Mar 2003 13:00:53 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ! Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions 3 Message-ID: <R8MEXup1IXX9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <$H6VHoO5uO2d@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: Z > In article <3E6393A6.2070102@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:F >>>    How many successful recoveries have you had despite a bad tape? >>>  >>  5 >> Well every server thats running is an example of a ' >> sucessfull recovery. Thats over 120.  > C >    That's not what I asked.  How many times have you been able to F >    recover data from a tape despite the fact that that tape was bad? > I >    Not from aonther tape, not from a similar system, from the bad tape.  >   * 	One that was totally burned up in a fire?  A 	How bad is the "bad" you are describing?  Oh ... CRC and GROUPS.  	Gotcha.  D 	But the answer is... the data exists on tape in two places at once.@ 	How's that for an answer?  That second tape is bad?  Okay.  ButF 	that isn't how the product I am familiar with works.  The data may beD 	on several tapes (or one tape) and yes you would have to pull them G 	all back onsite to recreate the tape.  Yes, this is a corner case but  D 	one that works quite well for recovery.  "But what if one of THOSE E 	tapes were bad?"   Let's just spiral down into nothingness.  *Blink*   A 	Back to you... what if that tape you are describing is *REALLY*	 H 	bad?  i.e. it was accidently degaussed - several times (like they used  	to do at a client site).    				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 00:26:20 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> ! Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions 2 Message-ID: <BA8A842B.581E%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  J On 3/4/03 10:39 AM, in article $H6VHoO5uO2d@eisner.encompasserve.org, "Bob9 Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:   F > In article <3E6393A6.2070102@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK > Consultancy writes: F >>>    How many successful recoveries have you had despite a bad tape? >>>  >>  5 >> Well every server thats running is an example of a ' >> sucessfull recovery. Thats over 120.  > A >  That's not what I asked.  How many times have you been able to D >  recover data from a tape despite the fact that that tape was bad? > G >  Not from aonther tape, not from a similar system, from the bad tape.  >  .... FROM A BAD TAPE!    Yeah! Let's see UNIX do that! 0 Hey buddy, wake up, I got something to show you.   Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:03:54 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions ' Message-ID: <3E655B0A.15C34B1E@fsi.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > Z > In article <3E6393A6.2070102@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:G > >>    How many successful recoveries have you had despite a bad tape?  > >> > > 6 > > Well every server thats running is an example of a( > > sucessfull recovery. Thats over 120. > C >    That's not what I asked.  How many times have you been able to F >    recover data from a tape despite the fact that that tape was bad? > I >    Not from aonther tape, not from a similar system, from the bad tape.   = With 9-tracks, it was easy. DLTs present a greater challenge.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:44:36 +0000 (UTC)6 From: "Jeroen M.W. van Dijk" <jmw.vandijk@quicknet.nl>5 Subject: Re: VMS Backup solutions (alias directories) @ Message-ID: <Xns9334F1FD8BEAEjmwvandijkquicknetnl@213.73.255.21>  H I drop in on this discussion, but the best backup solution is to make a C image backup. The third party solutions works only in non-disaster  H situations. The problems you can get and will get are discripted in the  discussion below.   L The image backups you can place on a spare disk and those image backups you / can savely backup with a third party solutions.   K VMS image backup also backups and restore the bootblock. In the unix world  E you need to create the bootblock before you start with restoring the  @ system disk what is called in UNIX country the root partition.  J Also you need to install the Veritas or other third party software before . you can start with restoring the system disk.   H And it is or the bootdisk or veritas software disk. So you dont have a F client in a disaster. Where you need to recover the whole system on a ? backup system having only the bootup disk and the backuptapes.          > 9 > Actually the VERITAS NBU OpenVMS client does not backup : > alias directory data 14 times (within a cluster or not). > 4 > In fact, it backs up alias directories correctly:- > 8 >  o  This release will backup and restore OpenVMS alias7 >     directories. Alias directories do not contain any 9 >     files, they are simply a link to another directory. 7 >     A common example is the system disk SYSCOMMON.DIR = >     directory which points to the VMS$COMMON.DIR directory. ; >     Only the files in the real directory are backed up by ; >     the OpenVMS client the alias directory link is backed ) >     up as a link to the real directory.  > 8 > There are only two direct system disk restore problems2 > left - and we are working on those. Please see:- > K > ftp://ftp.emea.support.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMS  >     nbu_vms.pdf  > : > This guide also includes a recommended disaster recovery > procedure (which works now). >  > Alan >  >  >> >< >> >Why can't you use Veritas I thought it was available for >> >OpenVMS. >> > >>H >> That's a very good question.  Actually, there are a few products that+ >> work with OpenVMS, with some exceptions.  >>H >> The main issue is the OpenVMS system disk.  To support clusters it isE >> implemented with file aliases between each system's own, specific, F >> system-specific directory, and the cluster-common directory.  TheseD >> are similar (in this context) to links in the Unix File System (I
 >> think). >>E >> The problem with most 3rd party backup tools on the OpenVMS system < >> disk is that they ignore the alias "links" and backup theG >> cluster-common area with each system's own directory.  Thus, in a 13 F >> node cluster they will backup that info 14 times - utilizes lots ofH >> additional tape, and will definitely NOT restore to a bootable system >> disk. >>4 >> I think the main issues I've seen are as follows: >>8 >>      1.     System disk backups not handled correctly< >>      2.     Due to this, restores will not work correctly8 >>      3.     No "bare metal" restore capability of the: >>           system disk (i.e., booting off of the OpenVMS >>           distribution CD) 8 >>      4.     Often, the extended file semantics of the5 >>           VMS file system (protections, ACLs, etc) 4 >>           will not be saved or restored correctly >>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:49:21 +05304 From: Kesav Tadimeti <Kesav_Tadimeti@KeaneIndia.com> Subject: [OT}:to SueI Message-ID: <8EA11405E59BD611BA7100104B93C260FDDBAF@exdel01.del.mgsl.com>    Hi Sue, L I remember your saying in a recent post that HP is not advertising its OSes.F I refer to ORACLE magazine's Jan-Feb 2003 edition. I happened to see a9 special ad section devoted to HP-UX 11i ( & ORacle 11i).     Perhaps I am wrong. 	 Cheers...   7 +-----------------------------------------------------+ 0 	KEANE INDIA LIMITED                            0 	E9 - E12, SDF                                  1 	NEPZ, NOIDA 201 305                              0 	U.P, INDIA                                     6                                                       0 	e-mail: kesav_tadimeti@keaneindia.com          0 	phone: +91-120-2568210(371)                    5       Men are from MACs, Women are from VMS           7 +-----------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.125 ************************