1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 15 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 146       Contents: Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity RE: Another missed opportunityI Re: asking again- what was the fastest vax and alpha made (vms of course) 0 Re: DECserver 90M with GS80/160/320 SMC Question Hammer stuff on the Cebit  I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! 2 Re: Imination one of the nicests forms of flattery( Re: Maximum record length allowed in RMS* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants  Re: SQS Listener (again) Re: SQS Listener (again)  Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)$ Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)$ Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)$ Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long) Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: VAX Shared SCSI anyone?  Re: VAX Shared SCSI anyone? - Re: [OT] After two months of SAP training :-( - Re: [OT] After two months of SAP training :-( - Re: [OT] After two months of SAP training :-(   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 15 Mar 03 16:05:27 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity ) Message-ID: <3jKiL07+wyUJ@elias.decus.ch>   M In article <03031421350473@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com writes: 6 > Guess I will not be flying Swiss Air anytime soon... >   C This is air traffic control, not just one airline. It also includes A flights over Switzerland and designated areas of other countries.   % See www.skyguide.ch for more details.   + > Not until they get the bugs worked out...  > ? > I guess that means I will not be flying Swiss Air, PERIOD. ;o  >   E None of us will. It Swissair went into liquidation and stopped flying  a year ago.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:02:37 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity . Message-ID: <3E734E9C.63C2658@vl.videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote: F  None of us will. It Swissair went into liquidation and stopped flying
 > a year ago.     F Not quite 100% correct when one is pedantic. Swissair set its CrossairK subsidiary "free", then Swissair went out of business, then Crossair bought N certain assets from Swissair and started to operate on former Swissair routes.  J So Swiss has its roots in Crossair which was a subsidiary of Swissair. not5 sure if they will survive Bush Jr's invasion of Iraq.   G Coming back to the air traffic control system, was this upgrade (well I N wouldn't consider a move to NT an "upgrade") prompted by the mid-air collisionJ last year ? If the media started to point fingers are the ATC system usingF antiquated equipment, I can see the pressure to upgrade, and in such aD context, they woudl be forced to buy something which "LOOKS" modern.  L At least they should have gone to Sun. Somehow, NT isn't up to snuff when itK comes to real time, life critical systems. Announcinmg you will trust a toy L operating system to control air traffic with thousands of lives depending on  some wintel box is pretty scary.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:09:29 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity I Message-ID: <d7Jca.250128$UXa.15312@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ( news:3E734E9C.63C2658@vl.videotron.ca... > Paul Sture wrote: A >  None of us will. It Swissair went into liquidation and stopped  flying > > a year ago.  >  > ? > Not quite 100% correct when one is pedantic. Swissair set its  CrossairF > subsidiary "free", then Swissair went out of business, then Crossair bought? > certain assets from Swissair and started to operate on former  Swissair routes. > > > So Swiss has its roots in Crossair which was a subsidiary of
 Swissair. not 7 > sure if they will survive Bush Jr's invasion of Iraq.  > A > Coming back to the air traffic control system, was this upgrade  (well I F > wouldn't consider a move to NT an "upgrade") prompted by the mid-air	 collision F > last year ? If the media started to point fingers are the ATC system using F > antiquated equipment, I can see the pressure to upgrade, and in such a F > context, they woudl be forced to buy something which "LOOKS" modern. > F > At least they should have gone to Sun. Somehow, NT isn't up to snuff when it A > comes to real time, life critical systems. Announcinmg you will  trust a toy A > operating system to control air traffic with thousands of lives  depending on" > some wintel box is pretty scary.   NT...shrewd choice. B Microsoft is ceasing ALL support for NT, including KB, either June1 2003 or 2004 (can't recall the year for certain).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:06:03 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity / Message-ID: <3E735D76.EF0E4D22@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote:  > NT...shrewd choice. D > Microsoft is ceasing ALL support for NT, including KB, either June3 > 2003 or 2004 (can't recall the year for certain).   L While I don't like Microsoft, I don't beleieve the above. Microsoft has justM decided that it has limits on prior version support, just like Digital did. I  think this is reasonable.   N Of course, when Microsoft changes its OS name for marketing reasons with everyJ version, it makes it look bad when they announce that the version that wasL know as "NT" is no longer supported when "NT" is the generic name for the OS even with subsequent versions.  K One culd say that Microsoft didn't learn from Digital's mistake in renaming L VMS. But one could argue that they did in fact learn. But pretending it is aM different system, Microsoft thinks it can get more sales because it shows how L dramatically different the new version is. But this is now going to start toD come back and haunt them because folks will be affraid to upgrade toM "dramatically different" versions of the same OS with new name, new licensing  scheme etc.   Y If you want credibility in the enterprise market, you need a certain amount of stability.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:20:12 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: Another missed opportunity T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9E51@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF:    Re: Windows NT4 Support:@ http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dfh;[ln];lifean3   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM      -----Original Message-----: From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]=20 Sent: March 15, 2003 12:06 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity      John Smith wrote:  > NT...shrewd choice. G > Microsoft is ceasing ALL support for NT, including KB, either June=20 3 > 2003 or 2004 (can't recall the year for certain).   G While I don't like Microsoft, I don't beleieve the above. Microsoft has C just decided that it has limits on prior version support, just like ( Digital did. I think this is reasonable.  H Of course, when Microsoft changes its OS name for marketing reasons withG every version, it makes it look bad when they announce that the version E that was know as "NT" is no longer supported when "NT" is the generic . name for the OS even with subsequent versions.  B One culd say that Microsoft didn't learn from Digital's mistake inB renaming VMS. But one could argue that they did in fact learn. ButE pretending it is a different system, Microsoft thinks it can get more E sales because it shows how dramatically different the new version is. H But this is now going to start to come back and haunt them because folksF will be affraid to upgrade to "dramatically different" versions of the0 same OS with new name, new licensing scheme etc.  D If you want credibility in the enterprise market, you need a certain amount of stability.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:49:15 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)R Subject: Re: asking again- what was the fastest vax and alpha made (vms of course)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1503030849160001@user-uinj01i.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <qr547vgs8u43tt5q1e0r62bg4gj20963ps@4ax.com>, Dan <dan@vrx.net> wrote:    F >So I just wondered if someone could tell me (quickly and easily) whatC >were the fastest vax system made (non-multi-processor) and fastest / >Alpha made (vms systems, non-multiprocessor) ?   I I'm not certain about the fastest single-processor VAX.  Probably the VAX H 4000-705A.  Nemonix has likely made aftermarket upgrades that exceed the7 fastest standard 1-P VAX, but I don't have the details.   G The fastest single-processor Alphas so far are the DS10 and DS10L, with J 600 MHz 21264A CPUs.  This system design is several years old, and is past due for a refresh.  C The newer DS25 and ES45 systems use 1 GHz or 1.25 GHz 21264C (EV68) I processors and are much faster.  These can be bought with only 1 CPU, but 1 they are designed for 2 and 4 CPUs, respectively.   A The latest 21364 (EV7) systems use dual-CPU modules; there are no ! announced plans for a 1-P system.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:03:14 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>9 Subject: Re: DECserver 90M with GS80/160/320 SMC Question 6 Message-ID: <b4v8at$20k93t$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  L The dial switch is used in stacks. The way you describe the 90M it is likelyL to be fitted in a plastic frame, about 19 inches wide, right? The connectorsG in the back as well as the dial are used only if you have more than one F frame. You can stack them, connect them with short UTP/RJ45 cables andJ manage them with ClearVision as if it was a DEChub 90. The DEChub 90 knowsI which slot the device is in, while the position in a stack is needs to be K known someway. Hence the switch. If you dial the management agent then that K device will act as a Agent90 device for the entire stack, provided that the H module selected has that ability built in. In you case it does not applyK since there's just one unit. The RJ45 connectors on the back cannot be used ( for ethernet. The BNC jack of course is.   HansK "Rick Millhollin" <rickm.remove-this@oregon.uoregon.edu> schreef in bericht 2 news:7ng47v8rjh7bhqprp5hf5dtpqkesnv6g7u@4ax.com...G > We have a couple of AlphaServer GS80s in our VMScluster, one of which F > came with a System Management Console PC and software that we didn't; > use because we had an existing Heroix RoboCentral console C > infrastructure in place.  The SMC came with a "management console E > concentrator" terminal server  that is actually a DECserver 90M.  I G > would now like to use that box along with serveral other 90Ms we have H > as a terminal server for RoboCentral.  I notice that the new 90M has aE > dial switch and two ports of some kind on the back that my old ones F > don't have.  No hardware documentation came with the 90M to describeD > these.  The SMC documentation has a picture that shows setting theF > dial to "management agent", but has no description of the other dialG > positions in general or the ports that look like ethernet.  I want to = > set this 90M up like a "normal" old 90M, so need the switch G > documentation.  Any suggestions on where I could find such?  HP Field G > Service has looked via thier resources, but can only find the old 90M @ > manual I already have.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks...  >  > 3 > Rick Millhollin, Director of Computing Facilities B > University of Oregon Computing Center, Eugene, Oregon 97403-12122 > Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-6438 or 4397E > E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (remove anti-spam digits)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:05:00 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>" Subject: Hammer stuff on the Cebit2 Message-ID: <b4v1ct$j0f$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  - Will the Hammer be a success? Yeah, I'm sure.   P As you will know there are two Hammer versions, the Opteron for servers and the ! Athlon 64 for us mortals at home.   Q There is a very big Opteron blade server running on a AMD stand, and AMD as well  Q as all better known PC mainboard manufacturers have Athlon 64 boards on display.  P Not running I'm afraid, but the boards are there. The chipset they use is a VIA  Apollo KT400M.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:47:25 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>( Subject: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!2 Message-ID: <b4usre$kis$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Well....  O I was at the Cebit in Hannover yesterday and saw VMS on Itanic. I witnessed it  L boot, and they had one commandfile that did a show device and show sys etc. Q doing anything else would most likely crash the system. Nothing wrong with that,  5 and very understandable in this stage of development.   M Booting was very slow, because there was a floppy disk involved. Why you may  Q ask. Well on the alpha we are blessed with a wonderful bios, sorry, SRM console.  N That has been a matter of discussion in this group before, how is HP going to M implement that on the IA64. The answer is they are not, at least not in this  K shape. It seems the SRM console (successor) will be a part on the VMS boot  I routine, so to access it means a conversational boot and doing things in  < sysboot. And it this stage the "SRM console" is on a floppy.  N The problem seems to be that Intel has no provisions for a proper SRM kind of M bios on the Itanic. Understandable, because no IA32 system ever had a clever  Q bios. Hwever I don't like this solution. Why not use a flashcard or a USB memory  K stick with a "SRM console" ? That way you would be able to put all kind of  Q hardware routines in the SRM console. Think of test routines, setup routines for  J   hardware, flash routines for adapter cards and so on. In fact even more Q functionality then with the present SRM console. Now that would be innovative in  M my view. If you think you have a problem with your system, you don't want to  Q boot your VMS system disk to get a SRM console. You may run the risk of having a    corrupt system disk as a result.  6 Well, let's see what HP engineering comes up with ....   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2003 04:48:15 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski); Subject: Re: Imination one of the nicests forms of flattery = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0303150448.7724ac95@posting.google.com>   g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E728AB7.57478638@vl.videotron.ca>...  > http://www-124.ibm.com/dlm/  > E > IBM's DLM for Linux modeled after VAXcluster. And it's opensourced.   : it just provides lock control ... they are very clear that1 this does not provide the same functionality as a  traditional vms cluster ...    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2003 04:43:32 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: Maximum record length allowed in RMS = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0303150443.76d4449e@posting.google.com>   U Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote in message news:<3E72671F.8760DA64@cha.ab.ca>... ; > The default value of 32767 for Sysgen parameter RMS_DFLRL = > would imply that this is the maximum record length allowed. > > After fiddling around with an FDL file, I was able to create; > an indexed file with a record size of 32,224 bytes (using  > maximum bucket size of 63). 9 > However, using another FDL file, I was able to create a = > sequential file with maximum record length of 65,535 bytes.  > > > Has anyone experienced success in going beyond these limits?   no ...   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Mar 03 15:11:01 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants ) Message-ID: <2khWit62a4Lc@elias.decus.ch>   \ In article <87y93hd496.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:P > winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: > C >> (This does seem like almost the stupidest thing possible for the  >> House to waste its time on.)  > , > Just be thankfull they didn't come up with > "The Statue of French" >   
 But, er...   http://www.nps.gov/stli/  * "Located in New York Harbor, the Statue of# Liberty was a gift of international + friendship from the people of France to the ) people of the United States and is one of ' the most universal symbols of political  freedom and democracy."    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Mar 2003 16:58:57 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 6 Message-ID: <b4vm4h$24ff57$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  / In article <3E7237D2.65C1E5D8@vl.videotron.ca>, 3 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  > L > And don't think Canada got away with its calling Bush Jr a moron. Not longL > after that, that USA imposed stiff sanctions on our wood product that helpL > build affordable homes in the USA. I think that wheat is next on the list.P > Funny how the republicans, the ones who pushed for free trade so much, are the> > one who quickly forget free trade whenever it is convenient.   JF, F   I wouldn't go there if I were you.  I pay less (usually 0) duties onH British car parts from England than Canadians do (from the same company)G and my friends up there find it nearly impossible and very expensive to G buy parts from American companies while I have no problem getting stuff F from Canadian companies.  In general, goods flow a better in southward than they do northward..     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:22:15 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants J Message-ID: <bjJca.250220$UXa.247318@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> Keywords: X-No-Archive: Yes   6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:2khWit62a4Lc@elias.decus.ch... > > In article <87y93hd496.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: D > > winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg
 Mgr") writes:  > > E > >> (This does seem like almost the stupidest thing possible for the ! > >> House to waste its time on.)  > > . > > Just be thankfull they didn't come up with > > "The Statue of French" > >  >  > But, er... >  > http://www.nps.gov/stli/ > , > "Located in New York Harbor, the Statue of% > Liberty was a gift of international - > friendship from the people of France to the + > people of the United States and is one of ) > the most universal symbols of political  > freedom and democracy."     A Maybe the French will ask for it back seeing as there is precious E little evidence friendship for France and of freedom and democracy in  the US these days.   a silly example F http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=638&ncid=762&e=5&u=/n" m/20030314/en_nm/leisure_chicks_dc   Less silly:  - Patriot Act II, the sequel - Total Information Awareness   - arbitrary arrestsB - suspension of right to counsel under certain conditions for bothC American citizens and non-American resident 'aliens' and those that  come into US custody abroad.   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Mar 2003 17:30:56 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 6 Message-ID: <b4vo0g$24ff57$4@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  J In article <bjJca.250220$UXa.247318@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,& 	"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > 8 > "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message% > news:2khWit62a4Lc@elias.decus.ch... ? >> In article <87y93hd496.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi ! > <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: E >> > winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg  > Mgr") writes:  >> >F >> >> (This does seem like almost the stupidest thing possible for the" >> >> House to waste its time on.) >> >/ >> > Just be thankfull they didn't come up with  >> > "The Statue of French"  >> > >>
 >> But, er...  >> >> http://www.nps.gov/stli/  >>- >> "Located in New York Harbor, the Statue of & >> Liberty was a gift of international. >> friendship from the people of France to the, >> people of the United States and is one of* >> the most universal symbols of political >> freedom and democracy." >  > C > Maybe the French will ask for it back seeing as there is precious G > little evidence friendship for France and of freedom and democracy in  > the US these days. >  > a silly example H > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=638&ncid=762&e=5&u=/n$ > m/20030314/en_nm/leisure_chicks_dc > 
 > Less silly:  > - Patriot Act II, the sequel > - Total Information Awareness  >  - arbitrary arrestsD > - suspension of right to counsel under certain conditions for bothE > American citizens and non-American resident 'aliens' and those that  > come into US custody abroad. >    E And yet, there are still a lot mnore people trying to get into the US 9 than Iraq or even France for that matter.  Go figure.....    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:14:46 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 2 Message-ID: <m0edncrZyYsE8O6jXTWcpQ@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:bjJca.250220$UXa.247318@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...   ...   H > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=638&ncid=762&e=5&u=/n$ > m/20030314/en_nm/leisure_chicks_dc  J At least the article gave their viewpoint as well as the irate listeners'.I Of course, being a commercial enterprise, they quickly caved in today and  apologized for dissin' Dubya.   H Unlike the examples you provide below, however, the above just shows howF many country music aficionados (especially those in Texas) are Yahoos,1 rather than reflecting on the fabric our freedom.    - bill   > 
 > Less silly:  > - Patriot Act II, the sequel > - Total Information Awareness  >  - arbitrary arrestsD > - suspension of right to counsel under certain conditions for bothE > American citizens and non-American resident 'aliens' and those that  > come into US custody abroad.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:23:28 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants / Message-ID: <3E73618A.6B4EA79A@vl.videotron.ca>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:H >   I wouldn't go there if I were you.  I pay less (usually 0) duties onJ > British car parts from England than Canadians do (from the same company)I > and my friends up there find it nearly impossible and very expensive to I > buy parts from American companies while I have no problem getting stuff  > from Canadian companies.    M There are no duties between USA to Canada. There are duties between canada nd M USA on certain products, against the rules of NAFTA. Twoce, the WTO has ruled K in Canada favour on the softwood lumber issue, twicethe USA has come back a H bit later with some new scheme. Right now, the USA imposes a 25% duty onN lumber coming from Canada. This means that when building new homes in the USA,T the cost of wood has risen 25%. So, who benefits ? Certaintly not american citizens.  J (The US lumber companies seing that their competition from canada had justM raised their US prices by 25% decided to match that price. In the end, demand L dropped and the US lumber companies who had asked for those duties saw theirD profits diminish (they also own much of the lumber mills in canada).  M Since 9-11, it is much harder to get goods into the USA from anywhere than it M is to get it into canada due to delays. This is starting to have an impact on M the tourist/convention business since conventions that cater to international 1 participants are starting to move out of the USA.   K What you need to realise is that one reason Canada exports more good to the N USA than it imports is due to our low dollar. However, consider the reason forN that low dollar:  while we may export a lot of goods, a lot of those goods areH produced by US-owned companies and profits flow back to the USA and thatM amount is such that USA  benefits from Canada from a financial point of view.   L (EG: GM Canada's profits are all shipped back to the USA. Esso's profits are; all shiopped back to Exxon-Mobil in the USA. Etc etc etc.)    + Oh, and while we're talking about shipping:   E US Postal Service regular Air Mail to Canada uses Canada Post customs L facilities (no customs brokerage fees from highway robbery customs brokers).  N But US Postal Service Express Air Mail uses Purolator in Canada, and PurolatorK doesn't have its own customs brokerage capability and sends the packages to J the BPP Highway Robbery customs brokers who will send you a random invoiceM laden with various services charges that could come to near $50 on top of the  7% tax for the import.  M UPS, DHL, Airborne, Purolator/Express-Mail should be avoided at all cost when M shipping stuff to Canada because the poor customer gets a very bad invoice in 3 the mail weeks after the package has been received.   N I once had to pay $45 is brokarage fees for a chocolate box I received from anK outfit in Washington. By the time I got the invoice, the chocolate had long - been digested and on its way to the ocean ...    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 00:44:38 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants- Message-ID: <878yvgd1ft.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  F > 3.  Thus the U.N. *could* take action against us, but only if we didC > not veto such action (which one might consider unlikely).  Unless D > the General Assembly (where no one has veto power) has any ability? > to act independently from the Security Council in such areas.   ( It does under UNSCR 377. (or 337, or...)  = The irony is that there was a UNSCR exhaulting all nations to ? respect international law. No prise for guessing who vetoed it. $ (It was not Mr Nyet in this case :))   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 01:10:19 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants- Message-ID: <87znnwblok.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   E >    But it is the first time the US has gone to war without a direct > >    provocation.  That's something no nation should rush into
 >    anymore.   B No, you have gone to was as a result of an unprovoked attack. Your schooling was filled with it.   A But it look as though the new flu is about to make this all moot. F Seems they are calling it SARS, Severe Acute Respititory Syndrome, and@ there are now cases in Frankfurt, Canada, Indonesia, Philipines,C Sinfapoer and Thialand. Add Hong Kong Vietnam and ROC to that list. / The Frankfurt case was enroute to New York BTW.   C CDC has been able to do bugger all, as all their funding is now for E terrorism threats, so no joy jubes for you when they wanted to send a B team to HK. Remember, in 1917 the Spanish Flu killed more than allD the slaghter fields of WWI combined. It took a Stalin, and the Death Camps to top the toll.  8 Be afraid if you are depending on the US heath system...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 00:40:39 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants- Message-ID: <87d6ksd1mg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:   F > Hypothetically (or not), if the US unilaterally invades Iraq without: > U.N. approval, then de facto the U.S. is in violation ofA > international law regarding the waging of 'aggressive war'. The > > U.N. could then call for the disarmament of the U.S. and the% > imposition of sanctions on the U.S.     > True or False?   B Or follow the example of the US Warcrimes Tribuneral and put Bush,B Rumsfeld et al up on a pedistal next to Georing and vonRibantrope.@ Don't forget to leave room for the Misserable Methodist, aka The PrimeMiniture, aka the Rodent.  * The ICC has a 30 year max limit you see...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 00:56:17 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants- Message-ID: <874r64d0we.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   - david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes:   D > Because the US is a permanent member of the UN and thus has a veto@ > it is unlikely that the UN would be able to do much about thisE > through the security council. I'm not sure though what the position C > is on getting a country's leader charged with war crimes (However F > just going to war without UN approval is almost certainly not enoughE > to provoke such a charge).  I'm pretty sure it won't happen but the A > image of Bush and Blair being charged with war crimes after all F > their statements on the morality of their case has a certain appeal.   See  http://www.un.org/law/icc/  : In brief, reference from the UNSC, and via petition of the@ Proscecutor of the ICC. Minor detail, there is not one as yet...  A Also several countries are now adopting `universal juristriction' @ with no time limits for War Crimes, and Crimes against Humanity.C See the Pinochet case in the HoL a few years back. Or Sharon in the > Belgian action, though the Be SC ruled that the case could not= proceed while he was PM, but that he has no soverign imunity.   G For a good guide, grab a copy of `Crimes against Humanity', by Geoffrey E Robertson QC And it is a good read as well. If you can fine them, his E `Hypothetials' TV series is excellent. "Does Dracula have AIDS?"  was  one title as I remember.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:17:20 +0100 # From: Paul Sture <p_sture@decus.ch>5! Subject: Re: SQS Listener (again) ( Message-ID: <3E730BC0.7B53B102@decus.ch>   Alder wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > > Alder wrote:5 > >>Username: SQLSRV$DEFLT                     Owner:r > <SNIP>J > >>Primary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222J > >>Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123J > >>Network:  -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------J > >>Batch:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------J > >>Local:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------J > >>Dialup:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------J > >>Remote:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------ > >r > > L > > This account is set for /NOACCESS. Is that correct? (I'm skeptical.) I'd > > expect at least /NETWORK.T > >N > Q > Good point.  That would at least give it the same access as many TCPIP ServicestP > accounts like TCPIP$FTP and TCPIP$TELNET.  I've made no changes to the accountO > parameters since installation so I assume the account was set up according to)L > Oracle's spec.  Nevertheless, I checked the SQS Configuration guide and myO > installation output just in case, but neither mentions how the account should  > be set up in the UAF.t > J > Perhaps because this version of SQS is "free" and limited to developmentQ > purposes only, the "spec" was to disallow network access - kind of a poor man's-P > licence protection scheme :-)  But if NETWORK or some other access is requiredR > in the UAF, I'm confused about how it is that I am able to make connections from' > other machines on my LAN using TCPIP?a >   > Bewilderment reigns supreme... >  > Aldero  H A brief check on a fully licensed system showed the same access settings	 as above.h   -- i
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:53:19 -0400d0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: SQS Listener (again) / Message-ID: <3E734C6F.9C3A3863@vl.videotron.ca>   ( Have not seen the start of this thread.   H Looking at the username which containts "DEFLT", I'd say it is a defaultH "template" account, similar to DEFAULT. Or perhaps an account whose sole3 purpose is to own certain files (security, quotas).0   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:52:11 +0100m" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>) Subject: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)e6 Message-ID: <b4vlo2$24b9lm$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  B A couple of days ago the question of the viability of a dual homedJ VAXcluster was raised. Apparantly there is no real risk that hardware getsJ damaged, other than loosing the on-disk datastructure, I felt it was worthF investigating. This is a description of a brief experiment with a dualC hosted shared SCSI bus VAX/VMS cluster. The following equipment andh configuration was used:            MicroVAX 3100-10 VAXstation 3100-M48f       SCSI-A: dka300 dka100 : SCSI-Al                 dka500 mka500  I SCSI-B: dkb300 -------------------- dkb0     ------------------- dkb100 :a SCSI-B  :                                                     dkb500 dkb200     dkb400      F Dkb0 and dkb500 are located in an expansion cabinet. Both systems wereL connected by ethernet as well. The default SCSI id for a VAX SCSI controllerE is 6, so on the 3100-10 this value was set to 7. Dkb300, an RZ24, wasAL selected as the common system disk for these two nodes. The operating systemL is VAX/VMS V7.3, no patches. The only layered product that was installed was DECnet phase IV.  1 The systems used the following SYSGEN parameters:J       3100-10      3100-M48   > SCSNODE                    SERV                           STAT  < SCSSYSTEMID            2050                             2049  ? ALLOCLASS                 100                               100.  ; NISCS_LOAD_PEA0      1                                    1   @ VAXCLUSTER                2                                    2  A MSCP_LOAD                  1                                    1i  ; MSCP_SERVE_ALL       1                                    1n  > INTERCONNECT           "NI"                               "NI"  A BOOTNODE                   "N"                                "N"S      H All the disks and tapes and the two computers were powered on during theI entire experiment. The SHOW DEVICE command on both systems listed all theeI SCSI devices on the SCSI-B channel. Only the opposite VAX SCSI controllereI was not listed in the output. In phase 1 the VAXstation was in >>> promptaL mode and during phase 2 the 3100-10 was in >>> mode. The 3100-10 was used toG install VMS from the CD-ROM located in dkb500. The following steps weret executed in phase 1:      G 1 Boot standalone backup from the CD and restore VMS073.B to the targete disk: dkb300  J 2 Boot from dkb300 and install the options and libraries as well as DECnet phase IV  % 3 The system runs autogen and reboots   K 4 Install all 6 licenses that are needed (2 of each for VAX-VMS, VAXCLUSTERnI and DVNETRTG) and apply the SCSNODE names for each set of three licenses.s  I 5 Configure DECnet; both nodes were configured as routers (one as an area J router to allow it to talk to the regular VMS systems that are all in area 1).0  H 6 Run cluster_config to create the cluster; do not make it a bootserver;" cluster_config reboots the system.  C 7 SYSTARTUP_VMS was modified to have just a couple of commands: SETr< TERM/PERM for OPA0:, define SYSUAF and @sys$manager:startnet  L 8 Again cluster_config was run, now to create a new system root which became SYS1 on the same system disk.o  ) 9 The 3100-10 was shut down (properly :-)e      L The next phase was to boot the VAXstation from its new root and configure itK while the 3100-10 was kept on the >>> prompt. Phase 2 was shorter, but heldk the first surprises:      L The boot sequence was >>> B/10000000 dkb300 (reminded me of CI clusters) andJ VMS complained about a missing CXX library and a missing swapfile. Perhaps@ other files as well but that was all I could see on the console.  I MODPARAMS was copied from [sys0.sysexe] to [sys1.sysexe] and modified foryI the 3100-M48. Only two parameters were different, of course they occurredn twice in MODPARAMS.l  K Next autogen was run, with the parameters getdata, shutdown and nofeedback.s  B Again the swapfile and pagefile were missing and were created with+ sys$update:swapfiles, followed by a reboot.n   DECnet was configuredS      K At this point the 3100-10 was booted into the cluster. The result was quiterK amazing because the 3100-10 booted without a problem. Only when the 3100-10-A console was touched the problems started: the system disk went inKL mount/dismount state as soon as both systems tried to access the system diskC at the same time. The same happened when I mounted a data disk withrH /cluster. Each system can use that disk without a problem as long as the other system is quiet.          : A couple of ASCII "art" displays as seen from the 3100-10:       $ show cluster  F View of Cluster from system ID 2050  node: SERV            15-MAR-2003 17:27:51  ! lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqwqqqqqqqqqk   $ x      SYSTEMS     x    MEMBERS    x  ! tqqqqqqqqwqqqqqqqqqqqqnqqqqqqqqqui    x  NODE  x SOFTWARE x  STATUS  x  ! tqqqqqqqqnqqqqqqqqqqqqnqqqqqqqqqua  " x  SERV    x  VMS V7.3 x MEMBER  x  # x  STAT    x  VMS V7.3  x MEMBER  x:  ! mqqqqqqqqvqqqqqqqqqqqqvqqqqqqqqqjn       $ sho dev dT      K Device                                Device                Error    Volume  Free       Trans Mnt  J  Name                                Status                Count     Label Blocks    Count Cnte  3 $100$DKA100:    (STAT)  Online                    0i  2 $100$DKA300:    (SERV)  Online                   0  2 $100$DKA500:    (SERV)  Online                   0  4 $100$DKB0:      (SERV)  Online                     0  = $100$DKB100:    (SERV)  Mounted                3       SYSMGRw 458970     1       2  2 $100$DKB200:    (SERV)  Online                   0  K $100$DKB300:    (SERV)  Mounted              14       OVMSVAXSYS      44028n	 165     2a  / $100$DKB400:    (SERV)  Online wrtlck         0h  / $100$DKB500:    (SERV)  Online wrtlck         0d       $ sh err  ? Device                                              Error Counta  * $100$DKB100: (SERV, STAT)                3  * $100$DKB300: (SERV, STAT)               14  5 SERV$PKB0:                                      27814a           Conclusions:      J 1 This is not a useful configuration, as predicted by Hoff and others from DEC engineering.  & 2 There is no concurrent use of disks.  J 3 Even a single user can force the systems to drop the cluster channel and  thus into a cluster  transition.  G 4 You'd need a quorum disk on the shared bus to survive the loss of ones	 computer.l  C 5 The SCSI bus reports a huge number of errors in just a short time-? indicating that the device driver is not really happy with thisr configuration.      H But, IMHO an important issue: neither disk got corrupted. I more or lessJ expected to do a restore on the data disk but that proved unnecessary. TheL cluster was dissolved and each system booted from its own proper system diskK and the SYSMGR disk had no data integrity problems and neither did the RZ240I that was used for system disk. An analyze/error on both disks produced not errors.a      
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:54:05 GMTe% From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net>6- Subject: Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)l3 Message-ID: <slrnb75u9c.84s.rivie@Stench.no.domain>a  H In article <b4vlo2$24b9lm$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, Hans Vlems wrote:D > A couple of days ago the question of the viability of a dual homedL > VAXcluster was raised. Apparantly there is no real risk that hardware getsL > damaged, other than loosing the on-disk datastructure, I felt it was worthH > investigating. This is a description of a brief experiment with a dualE > hosted shared SCSI bus VAX/VMS cluster. The following equipment andC > configuration was used:v  G It's not clear from your description that you have remembered to change.D the SCSI ID of one of the VAXes. If both machines have the same SCSIA ID, the disks won't be able to tell to which machine they want tow
 reconnect.   --  
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:01:38 -0400d0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>- Subject: Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)c/ Message-ID: <3E735C6E.65066DE6@vl.videotron.ca>o   Hans Vlems wrote:HA > ALLOCLASS                 100                               100e  E Shouldn't the ALLOCLASS be different for each node of a cluster ? (tooJ differentiate the drive served MSCP by node 2 from the same drive accessed& directly by node 1 ?) (and vice-versa)  L > 1 This is not a useful configuration, as predicted by Hoff and others from > DEC engineering.  M Prior to setting up a disaster tolerant architecture, I had 2 vaxes with dualpJ ported RA82 drives. If one vax failed, we could boot the other va from theJ first vax's drives and continue without loss of data.  Seems to me that asL long as node 2 doesn't attempt to mount the drives, this would work, right ?  I Perhaps this type of shared scsi could be used to emulate the dual ported M nature of RA8x drives, by allowing a second vax to boot from the first vaxe,slM drives when the 1st vax fails. However, this would lack the protections giveniK by the harware switches of the RA drives which prevent one drive from beingn seen by 2 vaxes.  L Note that I have seen MACs do this. You can boot your laptop from a real MACN with a special SCSI plug that makes it boot off the real mac's drives and viceD versa. (but the MAC that "serves" the drive must boot with a specialL application that makes that possible - gives poiwer to the drive and ensuresX that the SCSI is inactive so that the remote MAC can access its drives without conflict)    L Having said this, is the SCSI used by the 3100-10 advanced enough for sharedN scsi ? I think it is just a very basic narrow SCSI-2 system. If it have a moreA modern SCSI bus, is it possible that it would be able to handle a  multiple-host system ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:38:40 +0100, From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>- Subject: Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)l1 Message-ID: <b4vrvi$vl$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>a   Roger Ivie wrote:-J > In article <b4vlo2$24b9lm$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, Hans Vlems wrote: > D >>A couple of days ago the question of the viability of a dual homedL >>VAXcluster was raised. Apparantly there is no real risk that hardware getsL >>damaged, other than loosing the on-disk datastructure, I felt it was worthH >>investigating. This is a description of a brief experiment with a dualE >>hosted shared SCSI bus VAX/VMS cluster. The following equipment andt >>configuration was used:f >  > I > It's not clear from your description that you have remembered to changesF > the SCSI ID of one of the VAXes. If both machines have the same SCSIC > ID, the disks won't be able to tell to which machine they want to  > reconnect. > N Very true. And the SCSI adapters also must support a dual host configuration. * Many SCSI adapters don't and get confused.   ------------------------------  ! Date: Sat, 15 Mar 03 11:58:41 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.comc Subject: Re: unix + Message-ID: <b4v78a$s04$7@bob.news.rcn.net>i  8 In article <pcr37vkpk0qt10r9ju43cefe6gfkbqdlmj@4ax.com>,8    Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> wrote:: >On Fri, 14 Mar 03 12:31:28 GMT in alt.folklore.computers, >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:y > 9 >>In article <20030313181005.2a5657ea.steveo@eircom.net>,,2 >>   Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:! >>>On Thu, 13 Mar 03 12:48:45 GMTi >>>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:t >>>h+ >>>JC> (prices were $250+- for Red Hat and n >>>JC> $100- for the SUSE) >>> F >>>	Ouch! You want to experiment and try a few things I suspect, which+ >>>those sorts of prices rather discourage.i >>>iD >>>	Look at http://www.cheapbytes.com for some more realistic pricesJ >>>for open source on CD. AFAICT these people don't kick back anything to  the D >>>development effort (or do much apart from burn and ship CDs very  cheaply)F >>>so once you have settled on something you might switch to an update% >>>subscription or similar that does." >>= >>I'm just doing a report of the retail level.  I'm still noteB >>impressed with backslide the computer biz appears to have taken.< >>Also, given a choice of free and buying a tested, completeA >>distribution package, I'll buy.  I guess I'm old-fashioned thatt >>way. >eB >Scan the cheapo CD-ROM collections in stores: the less commercial9 >distributions sometimes appear; also check internationalgB >magazines: Linux distros are sometimes attached/included. Most orA >all of the distros available out there are tested and complete. w  < I usually go through those bins just to find out what's old,< rejected, and other little facts like that.  I couldn't find: it in this Best Buy.  I also thought that their layout was< a huge waste of space...either that or they had delusions of1 hundreds of people in the store at the same time.i   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail..   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2003 07:44:26 -0800# From: steve@dosius.zzn.com (Dosius)d Subject: Re: unixd= Message-ID: <9307085f.0303150744.5405d8d1@posting.google.com>v  X Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<3E723884.C2A1E1BE@ev1.net>... > jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:H > > They were the price of the moby terminal I'm staring at.  $600-$700.> > > Being able to lift one with one bound hand is very useful.A > > I traced the cord to see what kind of plug it had.  (I didn'twA > > take it apart) but the outside looked like it would plug intolB > > my 386.  I asked the question; the kid stops, thinks and says,5 > > "Is like a 486?"  I think of the 386 new-fangled.i  E Basically there's not a lot of difference from 386 to 486.  I used ani" 850MB HDD on a 386DX/25 mobo once.   > > A > Did you ask him if he ever heard of vinyl phonograph records orwD > AM radio??? If this is Best Buy, you can bring the darn thing backA > if it won't work for you. Of course, Best Buy will charge a 15%d > "restocking fee".... > >-C > > Those notebooks looked awfully tempting, though.  The keyboards ; > > sucked but then that seems to be the industry standard.o > > B > I was forced to use a notebook on my last job...the notebook useB > was in 1998. I connected a regular keyboard and a 17" monitor toB > the notebook. I assume that this is still possible. You can have< > your notebook with the comfort of your regular keyboard...  C After all, you can buy a new SVGA monitor and it should work on any 4 VGA system out there right back to some old PS/2s...  9 I'd die to see a PS/2 retrofitted with an LCD monitor. ;)p   -uso.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:14:29 -0500t4 From: Roland Hutchinson <my_spamtrap@eudoramail.com> Subject: Re: unixo5 Message-ID: <b4vjj9$24abeq$1@ID-99522.news.dfncis.de>s   jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:  A > Those notebooks looked awfully tempting, though.  The keyboards-9 > sucked but then that seems to be the industry standard.u  ? IBM ThinkPads have nice keyboards (IMHO) and tend to run Linux aG acceptably. I don't think you are likely to find them in retail stores e nowadays, however.  F Laptops in general can be a hassle with free operating systems if you C install your own, since there's not much room to swap out built-in nF video or sound or other hardware if it's not supported.  And they are F virtually impossible to buy without an included proprietary operating B system -- even from vendors who specialize in pre-installed Linux G systems. (Fortunately the one IBM decided to give me came with Caldera  G Linux pre-installed and no Microsoft -- but that line was discontinued  1 by IBM long before Caldera blotted its copybook.)   H I'm told the Macintosh notebooks (iBook and PowerBook lines) are a nice G platform for Linux, too -- and they are quite competitively priced.  I iF have yet to try running Linux on one of them myself; too busy running F SteveOS on them (from a terminal window at least part of the time!).  3 Most of them have pretty acceptable keyboards, too.    -- rA Roland Hutchinson              Will play viola da gamba for food.   < NB mail to my_spamtrap@eudoramail.com is heavily filtered to? remove spam.  If your message looks like spam I may not see it..   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:13:59 -0500 4 From: Roland Hutchinson <my_spamtrap@eudoramail.com> Subject: Re: unixi5 Message-ID: <b4vn2r$23h9hk$1@ID-99522.news.dfncis.de>4   Charles Richmond wrote:b  < > The free distributions that are downloaded off of the 'net; > are *identical* to the ones that come in the plastic wrapa: > boxes. Red Hat Linux is Red Hat Linux, wherever it comes: > from. All that you will miss is the printed matter...and; > it is really *not* necessary and less than helpful in theg* > ways that a newbie might need help IMHO.  G And if you *do* need it, it's very often also available in .pdf files,  = either on the distro disks or downloadable for free, or both.h   -- TA Roland Hutchinson              Will play viola da gamba for food.g  < NB mail to my_spamtrap@eudoramail.com is heavily filtered to? remove spam.  If your message looks like spam I may not see it.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:58:44 -0500u* From: "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> Subject: Re: unix ; Message-ID: <pan.2003.03.15.17.58.42.324768@nospam.invalid>i  1 On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:44:26 -0800, Dosius wrote:e  Z > Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote in message news:<3E723884.C2A1E1BE@ev1.net>... >> jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:6I >> > They were the price of the moby terminal I'm staring at.  $600-$700.c? >> > Being able to lift one with one bound hand is very useful.rB >> > I traced the cord to see what kind of plug it had.  (I didn'tB >> > take it apart) but the outside looked like it would plug intoC >> > my 386.  I asked the question; the kid stops, thinks and says,-6 >> > "Is like a 486?"  I think of the 386 new-fangled. > G > Basically there's not a lot of difference from 386 to 486.  I used ane$ > 850MB HDD on a 386DX/25 mobo once.  J Major ones are that the '486 has onboard cache and onboard floating point.H  In addition I seem to recall that the cycle count for some instructions was reduced.  eB >> Did you ask him if he ever heard of vinyl phonograph records orE >> AM radio??? If this is Best Buy, you can bring the darn thing back@B >> if it won't work for you. Of course, Best Buy will charge a 15% >> "restocking fee"... >> >D >> > Those notebooks looked awfully tempting, though.  The keyboards< >> > sucked but then that seems to be the industry standard. >> >  C >> I was forced to use a notebook on my last job...the notebook use C >> was in 1998. I connected a regular keyboard and a 17" monitor to C >> the notebook. I assume that this is still possible. You can haveg= >> your notebook with the comfort of your regular keyboard...o > E > After all, you can buy a new SVGA monitor and it should work on anyy6 > VGA system out there right back to some old PS/2s... > ; > I'd die to see a PS/2 retrofitted with an LCD monitor. ;)u  ' I should take a picture of my Model 95.    > -uso.d   -- d --John- Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot netl# (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:00:23 -0500c* From: "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> Subject: Re: unix ; Message-ID: <pan.2003.03.15.18.00.21.894025@nospam.invalid>n  < On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:14:29 -0500, Roland Hutchinson wrote:   > jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > B >> Those notebooks looked awfully tempting, though.  The keyboards: >> sucked but then that seems to be the industry standard. > A > IBM ThinkPads have nice keyboards (IMHO) and tend to run Linux  I > acceptably. I don't think you are likely to find them in retail stores e > nowadays, however. > H > Laptops in general can be a hassle with free operating systems if you E > install your own, since there's not much room to swap out built-in lH > video or sound or other hardware if it's not supported.  And they are H > virtually impossible to buy without an included proprietary operating D > system -- even from vendors who specialize in pre-installed Linux I > systems. (Fortunately the one IBM decided to give me came with Caldera sI > Linux pre-installed and no Microsoft -- but that line was discontinued  3 > by IBM long before Caldera blotted its copybook.)8 > J > I'm told the Macintosh notebooks (iBook and PowerBook lines) are a nice I > platform for Linux, too -- and they are quite competitively priced.  I cH > have yet to try running Linux on one of them myself; too busy running H > SteveOS on them (from a terminal window at least part of the time!).  5 > Most of them have pretty acceptable keyboards, too.l  H The Macs can run Linux just fine, however since they come with a versionG of BSD ported by Apple there's not much point to it unless there's some F specific app you need to run that for some reason doesn't work on BSD.   --   --John- Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot netn# (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:20:00 -0500-: From: Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> Subject: Re: unix.7 Message-ID: <slrnb76rmf.1lg.shannon@news.widomaker.com>m  J In article <a97t6vkpq8ip9hhot92otfu8ajvcs2l6do@4ax.com>, Giles Todd wrote:E > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:48:52 +0000 (UTC), hawk@slytherin.ds.psu.edu(+ > (Dr. Richard E. Hawkins) wrote in messagem$ > <b4kt0k$nrq$2@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>: > K >> That one has very few equations in it, unlike almost everything I do.  IiE >> used to put things up in postscript, but trying to teach people totH >> install ghostview took just too much time.  I eventually threw in theK >> towel and wend to the evil .pdf.  That file is latex in Kluwer's articlea9 >> class, which then took trips through dvips and ps2pdf.d > E > ps2pdf output makes your eyes hurt when viewed in a PDF viewer, buta? > usually works out all right once printed.  I remember readingn  & On my system, this was a font problem.  A I have LaTeX sources, so I used pdflatex which made great looking% output in Acrobat.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:25:10 +0000h From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>u$ Subject: Re: VAX Shared SCSI anyone?) Message-ID: <3E731BA4.7CA77B5F@Omond.net>    Nic Clews wrote:   > Frank Sapienza wrote:s > >oN > > Has anyone attempted to share SCSI devices between a VAX and Alpha system?G > > Running VMS, naturally.  Everything I've found so far says it's not ? > > supported, but that doesn't mean someone hasn't tried!  :-)h > > O > > The thought was to use a DWZZA-AA (standalone) and connect the SE side to a O > > VAX (4106) SCSI bus, then connect the FWD side to an Alpha differential bus L > > (KZPSA), with an HSZ40 in between.  The VAX and Alpha are clustered over > > DSSI (and LAN).  >dD > _Right_ _now_ we're "having a little go", not with native VAX SCSIJ > controllers, but "third party" (and I use the quotes with reason) with aF > fair amount of success, but with more work and understanding to take > place. THis is between VAXes.n > C > I'd agree with other respondents that you've have fun with devicesG > naming, but as the lock management is based on volume labels, even ifbH > you get 'ghost' devices which are the same as already mounted devices,F > if you refer to the logical created at mount time, you should be OK,, > Alphas work that way when not using a PAC. >mH > An Alpha and VAX, dunno. After we've figured out (if possible) the VAXG > to VAX which does what is expected, this will be the next experiment.b >eP > > Would that behave correctly, and would the lock manager figure it out, or is > > it just asking for trouble?i > F > I mentioned the lock manager above, and as to asking for trouble, if1 > you've a testbed, then try it, and let us know.e >uI > I'll report here with how we get on with the VAXes if its worth talking  > about.  A Nic, is this being done with the Nemonix ultra-SCSI controllers ?t  ? I was at the HP-CUO seminar on Tuesday, and Nemonix are just ata the stage of trying this out.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:54:34 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Re: VAX Shared SCSI anyone?/ Message-ID: <3E734CBA.F73543F4@vl.videotron.ca>.  L Any chance I would plug in my all mighty microvax II's SCSI onto a macintosh SCSI and share drives ?    :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)d   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Mar 2003 08:23:44 -0800$ From: bdhobbs18@acm.org (Bill Hobbs)6 Subject: Re: [OT] After two months of SAP training :-(= Message-ID: <74ca5032.0303150823.64745f2b@posting.google.com>o  b Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message news:<3E68B4AB.4020109@Free.fr>...  H > 2. These guys from SAP engineering are (were?) mad. I have never seen J > such complexity. Each doc is more than a thousand pages long, there are K > thousand of docs and entries in the main menu, and the screens have more  A > than hundreds of data each. Just unusable (is this on purpose?)   E Let us know when you have applied a few patches to SAP.  I found much C of the code to be hideous.  An activity monitor with divide by zero,B errors at times of no activity.  A call to a misspelled function. @ Those are two errors that I patched that stand out in my memory.  ? SAP's customers appear to be intimately involved in the qualityc control process ...e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:24:27 GMTg# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>m6 Subject: Re: [OT] After two months of SAP training :-(J Message-ID: <flJca.141301$em1.104344@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  1 "Bill Hobbs" <bdhobbs18@acm.org> wrote in messaget7 news:74ca5032.0303150823.64745f2b@posting.google.com... A > Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in messagel" news:<3E68B4AB.4020109@Free.fr>... >hD > > 2. These guys from SAP engineering are (were?) mad. I have never seenA > > such complexity. Each doc is more than a thousand pages long,k	 there areaB > > thousand of docs and entries in the main menu, and the screens	 have more C > > than hundreds of data each. Just unusable (is this on purpose?)D >aB > Let us know when you have applied a few patches to SAP.  I found muchE > of the code to be hideous.  An activity monitor with divide by zeroKC > errors at times of no activity.  A call to a misspelled function.rB > Those are two errors that I patched that stand out in my memory. >tA > SAP's customers appear to be intimately involved in the quality. > control process ...i    F Maybe it's a good thing that SAP isn't on VMS afterall - it would be a drag on VMS's good name.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:33:26 +0100o4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>6 Subject: Re: [OT] After two months of SAP training :-($ Message-ID: <3E7371F6.20107@Free.fr>  H I tell you the truth, I have joined Sector7. No time to waste with SAP. F Now, I need to find at least one SAP implementation in France to have  some ROI :-)   D.   Bill Hobbs wrote:s  c >Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message news:<3E68B4AB.4020109@Free.fr>...y >r >  , > H >>2. These guys from SAP engineering are (were?) mad. I have never seen J >>such complexity. Each doc is more than a thousand pages long, there are K >>thousand of docs and entries in the main menu, and the screens have more dA >>than hundreds of data each. Just unusable (is this on purpose?)  >>     >> >hF >Let us know when you have applied a few patches to SAP.  I found muchD >of the code to be hideous.  An activity monitor with divide by zeroC >errors at times of no activity.  A call to a misspelled function. eA >Those are two errors that I patched that stand out in my memory.l >p@ >SAP's customers appear to be intimately involved in the quality >control process ... >    >    -- n  A Adapter les applications d'aujourd'hui  la technologie de demain6  C Didier Morandi, Country Manager France (Didier.Morandi@sector7.com  ' <mailto:%28Didier.Morandi@sector7.com>)u   Sector7 France  - 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France-  / Tl: +33(0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33(0)5 6154 19280  * Migrations OpenVMS vers Windows/Linux/UNIX  * Migrations VAX/VMS vers ALPHA & Intel/IA64  ( Consolidation (regroupement) de serveurs  $ Migrations Tru64/UNIX vers tous UNIX    Conversions 32 bits vers 64 bits   Migrations UNIX vers Windows  ( Migrations S/390 vers Windows/Linux/UNIX  : Migrations HP 3000 MPE vers Windows/Linux/UNIX/IBM iSeries   http://www.sector7.com  ? Sector7 est le n 1 mondial de la migration de logiciels et du   changement de plates-formess  9 Bureaux aux Etats-Unis (TX, NY) en Europe et en Australie   ? Prestation disponible en France : direction de projets SAP R/3"   H (les marques cites ont t dposes par leurs propritaires respectifs)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.146 ************************ See  http://www.un.org/law/icc/  : In brief, reference from the UNSC, and via petition of the@ Proscecutor of the ICC. Minor detail, there is not one as yet...  A Also s> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev50/vim/alpha/syntax/vrml.vim (13123 bytes) started.d; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  12477 (8) bytes transferred.i
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