1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 16 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 148       Contents: Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity Re: Another missed opportunity. Re: Apache authentication/authorization issuesH Re: Disbelief! (Was: Re: newbie: connect to vms from win2k using decnet)H Re: Disbelief! (Was: Re: newbie: connect to vms from win2k using decnet)< Re: External Authentication and Windows2000 Active Directory HTML fort dummy (me) Re: HTML fort dummy (me) Re: HTML fort dummy (me)# Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! * Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants Re: Old is new Re: Old is new1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants   Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet? $ Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)$ Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)$ Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)* Two VAXes on one SCSI bus - HW description Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix up2000 + up1000  Re: up2000 + up1000  [OT] JarJar Binks language  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:33:16 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity ; Message-ID: <3e7444dc.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   1 JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca) wrote:  > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > Re: Windows NT4 Support:B > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];lifean3 > K > Interesting that netscape doesn't regonzise the above URL in it entirety, K > it stops at the ";". Will have to check to see if the semi colon is valid ; > character in a URL. It probably should have been escaped.   K In the query part of the URL (after the "?"), the semicolon serves the same 7 purpose as the ampersand ("&"), i.e. separating fields.    cu,    Martin --  G                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:15:06 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity + Message-ID: <00A1CF3E.24B411D3.35@decus.de>   3 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:    > [...]  > I > Coming back to the air traffic control system, was this upgrade (well I P > wouldn't consider a move to NT an "upgrade") prompted by the mid-air collisionL > last year ? If the media started to point fingers are the ATC system usingH > antiquated equipment, I can see the pressure to upgrade, and in such aF > context, they woudl be forced to buy something which "LOOKS" modern. > N > At least they should have gone to Sun. Somehow, NT isn't up to snuff when itM > comes to real time, life critical systems. Announcinmg you will trust a toy N > operating system to control air traffic with thousands of lives depending on" > some wintel box is pretty scary.  G I would consider a "_hard_ real-time" operating system (OS-9, VxWorks,  C ..) more appropriate than any Unix-based system. Winwoes of course  K tends to play with the hour-glass when it should perform important actions.    Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:42:34 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity / Message-ID: <3E749B68.FE46B8DC@vl.videotron.ca>    Martin Vorlaender wrote:D > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];lifean3  M > In the query part of the URL (after the "?"), the semicolon serves the same 9 > purpose as the ampersand ("&"), i.e. separating fields.   L My therory about the semi colon is wrong. Netscape sees the ;[ln] as part ofM the url, but not the ;lifean3. If it were the semi colon, Netscape would stop $ its clickable URL at the first ; ...  Q I must then conclude that it is the ] character which perhaps signals end of URL.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:32:16 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)7 Subject: Re: Apache authentication/authorization issues . Message-ID: <b521tg$mrh$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes in article <d7791aa1.0303140914.7602899c@posting.google.com> dated 14 Mar 2003 09:14:00 -0800:c >lewis@mazda.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<b4qq2g$mk8$2@newslocal.mitre.org>...  >> bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes in article <d7791aa1.0303130537.1b0f2aee@posting.google.com> dated 13 Mar 2003 05:37:23 -0800:  >>  / >> >and would be even easier using purveyor ...  >>  L >> Buffalo chips!  The first thing Purveyor makes you do is set up an entireM >> new database of usernames and passwords.  Ed wants to use his existing VMS  >> accounts, as in SYSUAF.  < >you are going to be eating buffalo chips ... purveyor has a; >dll that enables you to use sysuaf instead of its built in   H Hmmm, that feature was not apparant when I evaluated the product severalB years ago, and yes I did look for it in the docs.  Maybe it's new.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:41:51 +0000 (UTC) 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> Q Subject: Re: Disbelief! (Was: Re: newbie: connect to vms from win2k using decnet) / Message-ID: <b51kde$1mi$1@helle.btinternet.com>   7 Thanks Brad. I'll sleep better tonight! Cheers Richard.   > Brad McCusker <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com> wrote in message) news:v77o6od7fv9o5c@corp.supernews.com...  > @ > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message- > news:b50b30$6ku$1@knossos.btinternet.com...  > > Hi Hans, > > ? > > >So, no DECnet support for Windows 2000 and its successors. L > > > As you probably noticed, running a Pathworks kit on W2k does not yield > > > useful results.  > > K > > I'm probably just being a bit slow on the uptake but can you (or anyone  > elseL > > for that matter) just confirm my interpretation of the above statements.L > > That is, there is no DECnet existing, or planned, for Windows2000, 2003, > > .NET and so on. . .  > >  > L > I believe Hans is mistaken.  See my response to Hans post, in this thread.K > In short, reference http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks32/latestinfo.html  > and 5 > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP5633/SP5633pf.pdf. L > for what seems to be pretty clear indication that DECnet remains supported% > on all the latest Windows versions.  > J > (Same discalimer as the other post, my background is server engineering, not ( > client engineering.  I maybe clueless) >  > > Not even DECnet over IP? > E > I believe that is also supported, I know it is from the VMS side of  things, / > I thing the SPD says it is on the client too.  > > : > > This is bloody outrageous! Who is the product manager? > ! > Lawrence Woodcome at HP dot com  >  > >Was Pathworks one of % > > those that was outsourced to EDS?  >  > No.  > ) > >How can HP continue to poor good money L > > after bad into shit like RTR and Bridgeworks (that bring in no money for7 > > VMS) and yet leave DECnet out to twist in the wind?  >  > I don't think they did.  > >  > > Regards Richard Maher  > >  > 	 > Regards  >  > Brad McCusker  > OpenVMS Engineering  > Hewlett-Packard Company  > Nashua, NH USA > / > > Hans Vlems <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message 4 > > news:b4la7i$21pb1p$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de... > > > 5 > > > "arik" <riper56@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht = > > > news:185469fe.0303091219.30123db1@posting.google.com... J > > > > well, this is what i need to do, but I dont know exactly how to do it. E > > > > I from my searching I saw somethings that are not clear to me . > > > > what is PathWork, how does it help me?% > > > > can I do it without PathWork?  > > > > 1 > > > > I have no other option but to use decnet.  > > > >   > > > > thank you for your help. > > > I > > > There is no way to get DECnet running on Windows 2000. W2k uses the  MAC J > > > address of an installed network interface for all kinds of purposes. One  > > ofI > > > them is licensing. DECnet happens to ovewrite that MAC address with  its  > > own L > > > and that means that you, as a Microsoft customer, are able to use that > > sameK > > > license on a different system, provided that that system will use the  > sameD > > > DECnet address. So, no DECnet support for Windows 2000 and its
 > successors. L > > > As you probably noticed, running a Pathworks kit on W2k does not yield > > > useful results.  > > > H > > > There is DECnet for NT but it is a port from a unix implementation (SCO > ?): > > > and is limited to 255 concurrent clients for shares. > > > 
 > > > Hans > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  6 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:50 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)9 From: duncan@macdonald.compulink.co.uk (Duncan Macdonald) Q Subject: Re: Disbelief! (Was: Re: newbie: connect to vms from win2k using decnet) A Message-ID: <memo.20030316175009.1476A@macdonald.compulink.co.uk>   N In article <b50b30$6ku$1@knossos.btinternet.com>, maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com  (Richard Maher) wrote:  
 > Hi Hans, > = > >So, no DECnet support for Windows 2000 and its successors. J > > As you probably noticed, running a Pathworks kit on W2k does not yield > > useful results.  > N > I'm probably just being a bit slow on the uptake but can you (or anyone elseJ > for that matter) just confirm my interpretation of the above statements.J > That is, there is no DECnet existing, or planned, for Windows2000, 2003, > .NET and so on. . .  >  > Not even DECnet over IP? > M > This is bloody outrageous! Who is the product manager? Was Pathworks one of J > those that was outsourced to EDS? How can HP continue to poor good moneyJ > after bad into shit like RTR and Bridgeworks (that bring in no money for5 > VMS) and yet leave DECnet out to twist in the wind?  >  > Regards Richard Maher  > - > Hans Vlems <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message 2 > news:b4la7i$21pb1p$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de... > > 3 > > "arik" <riper56@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht ; > > news:185469fe.0303091219.30123db1@posting.google.com... L > > > well, this is what i need to do, but I dont know exactly how to do it.C > > > I from my searching I saw somethings that are not clear to me , > > > what is PathWork, how does it help me?# > > > can I do it without PathWork?  > > > / > > > I have no other option but to use decnet.  > > >  > > > thank you for your help. > > K > > There is no way to get DECnet running on Windows 2000. W2k uses the MAC L > > address of an installed network interface for all kinds of purposes. One > ofK > > them is licensing. DECnet happens to ovewrite that MAC address with its  > own J > > and that means that you, as a Microsoft customer, are able to use that > sameN > > license on a different system, provided that that system will use the sameN > > DECnet address. So, no DECnet support for Windows 2000 and its successors.J > > As you probably noticed, running a Pathworks kit on W2k does not yield > > useful results.  > > N > > There is DECnet for NT but it is a port from a unix implementation (SCO ?)8 > > and is limited to 255 concurrent clients for shares. > >  > > Hans > >  >  >  >  >  > O Pathworks (version 7.3) includes support for Windows XP (with DECnet). Even if  I XP uses the MAC address for its own purposes, it gets the value from the  H adapter ROM, the current value (in the adapter RAM) is not used for its P activation check. (Probably the activation check occurs before the DECnet stack 6 loads so the adapter is at its manufacturer's default)K Go to www.hp.com and search for Pathworks and XP, this will get you to the  M description for Pathworks 32 (version 7.3). Supported systems are Windows 95  K through Windows XP (except ME - manual install may work but is unsupported)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:51:04 +0100 ) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> E Subject: Re: External Authentication and Windows2000 Active Directory 6 Message-ID: <3e747338$0$49109$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>   Hello Brad,    Brad McCusker wrote: > Its been a while... 8 > "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> wrote in message2 > news:3e634fcf$0$49104$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... >  >>Brad McCusker wrote: >>H >>>Have you verified that the trust itself is working?  If so, then, Ext >> > Auth >  >>>should work.  >>& >>No, I don't know how to verify that. >  >  > ADMIN SHO TRUST   F The trust did show, but I did not realise that that was proof that it  was working!  = > Try adding permission on the VMS server for a trusted user.  > N > Actually, you really need to make sure the trust is working, and you have itH > set up in the right direction.  You were in my seminar back in Vienna,L > weren't you?  I think we covered trusts quite a bit, do you still have theL > book?  (shameless plug - I'm offering an updated seminar in Amsterdam this
 > May, seeJ > http://www.compaqusers.org/site/cms/contentViewArticle.asp?article=1215)  G Yes, I was at your seminar in Vienna, and yes I still have the book. I   will go through it again.   # >>There was a side effect, however, J >>which makes me think that at least something worked (although aversely).G >>User who have a userid with the same name in both domains (which were I >>unrelated before I established the trust) started to get authentication E >>problems which we previously did not have. We deleted the trust and * >>those problems disappeared (I think...). >  > L > This would lead me to thing the trust was working, at least to some extentJ > (maybe set up in the wrong direction?).  When the username and passwordsN > match, access to remote domains works, as long as a trust doesn't exist.  AsL > soon as you add the trust, it breaks.  Without the trust, it is consideredJ > to be the local user, but, with the trust, it considers the access to be > from the remote user.   I Yes, that was my conclusion too. Would this effect be seen regardless of   the direction of the trust?   J > Let us know how you made out - I assume you have ahd opportunity to test( > some more since this note was written?  ! No, not yet. I will let you know.    > Brad McCusker 	 > OpenVMS   
 Thanks a lot!   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:02:10 +0100 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>  Subject: HTML fort dummy (me) 4 Message-ID: <3e74760f$0$26336$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  G Just to avoid to always abuse of the same persons' patience, a general   question for the Community.   G How is the <FORM METHOD=(POST|GET) ACTION=foobar> parameters passed to  I the FOOBAR script/program/procedure at SUBMIT time? What does the client  F send to the server? How? Where are the data stored on the server side?  G I understood that the GET sends the params of the form within the URL,  E which needs to be decoded later, and the POST writes global symbols,  G which need to be read then processed. Is that right? How does it work?  F Can I write my own foobar program to do what I want to get instead of 9 just having the form variables filled in and transferred?    Thanks.    D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:00:39 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)! Subject: Re: HTML fort dummy (me) . Message-ID: <b523in$n0h$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes in article <3e74760f$0$26336$626a54ce@news.free.fr> dated Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:02:10 +0100: H >How is the <FORM METHOD=(POST|GET) ACTION=foobar> parameters passed to J >the FOOBAR script/program/procedure at SUBMIT time? What does the client G >send to the server? How? Where are the data stored on the server side?  > H >I understood that the GET sends the params of the form within the URL, F >which needs to be decoded later, and the POST writes global symbols, H >which need to be read then processed. Is that right? How does it work? G >Can I write my own foobar program to do what I want to get instead of  : >just having the form variables filled in and transferred?  J You're right in that GET sends the form data to the server embedded in theK URL.  POST sends it in the body of the HTTP request in pretty much the same K format, except it's not part of the URL.  A server can translate either one H into symbols for your script, but usually that's left up to the script. B Most servers also give your script the method, URL, and post data.  K If your server implements the CGI protocol, the script can get the raw data J from QUERY_STRING (GET) or the standard input (POST).  You should say what2 server you're using when you ask about this stuff.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:01:57 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Re: HTML fort dummy (me) / Message-ID: <3E749FF3.8A8553CD@vl.videotron.ca>    PRSTSC::DTL wrote:H > How is the <FORM METHOD=(POST|GET) ACTION=foobar> parameters passed toJ > the FOOBAR script/program/procedure at SUBMIT time? What does the clientH > send to the server? How? Where are the data stored on the server side?  	 in a GET: D GET /recipe.scr?name=Mousse&language=french&measures=metric HTTP/1.0 Host: www.chocolate.com  User-Agent: myclient/1.0 etc   	 in a POST  POST /recipe.scr HTTP/1.0  Host: www.chocolate.com  User-Agent: myclient/1.0/ Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded  Content-length: 45  + name=Mousse&language=french&measures=metric    -----   K Now, when the WEB server gets the request, it must either parse the URL for N the parameters, or continue to read "Content-length" bytes pas the first blank line after header.  K There is also a "multipart" way to submit arguments. Think of adding a mime G encoded multipart email (many attachements) after the header, with each O argument being an attachement. This allows the inclusion of files for instance.   = How you deal with these varies from web server to web server.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:16:55 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!+ Message-ID: <00A1CF3E.660039A0.52@decus.de>   . "Clair Grant" <clair.grant@verizon.net> wrote:   > RE: Slow booting > J > We are using a floppy on the i2000 because we decided to focus the FAT32M > container file development work on the rx2600. We hard wired the i2000 code L > to look to the floppy or the internal SCSI disk for the FAT files. The twoI > files you saw on the i2000 floppy will be on the VMS system disk in the ) > FAT32 container file in future systems.  > N > Using the floppy does contribute to the slowness of booting the i2000 but itI > has nothing to do with the content, only accessing the media. As to any J > Alpha SRM-like functions we want to have, we will put them in either theN > boot manager or in EFI applications. (The IA64 boot architecture is designedN > so that you can add whatever you want to it.) These get executed in the boot' > environment prior to running SYSBOOT.   G There is at least one large difference -- if the entire disk subsystem  C fails you can still access and use the SRM console to perform some  H (hardware) tests. This can't be done if the diagnostics routines are in - the FAT partition (container file) on a disk.    Michael    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 06:46:49 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!3 Message-ID: <lX4jPsmu1qQA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <00A1CF3E.660039A0.52@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:0 > "Clair Grant" <clair.grant@verizon.net> wrote:  O >> Using the floppy does contribute to the slowness of booting the i2000 but it J >> has nothing to do with the content, only accessing the media. As to anyK >> Alpha SRM-like functions we want to have, we will put them in either the O >> boot manager or in EFI applications. (The IA64 boot architecture is designed O >> so that you can add whatever you want to it.) These get executed in the boot ( >> environment prior to running SYSBOOT. > I > There is at least one large difference -- if the entire disk subsystem  E > fails you can still access and use the SRM console to perform some  J > (hardware) tests. This can't be done if the diagnostics routines are in / > the FAT partition (container file) on a disk.   C Those hardware-level tests would presumably be provided (or not) by B the platform manufacturer as part of their normal console.  If youB were able to run VMS on some non-HP Itanium, the commands might beC different from those for an HP Itanium, but if you depended on some C component supplied by HP it might not even work, since the tests in A the Alpha SRM console depend on the SRM author having specialized C knowledge about the hardware platform.  Note that the Alpha console ) software differs between Alpha platforms.    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2003 14:03:45 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 6 Message-ID: <b52081$24m2h1$2@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  / In article <3E73CDFA.5ADEA08B@vl.videotron.ca>, 3 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:K >> Ummmm.... Wait a minute here.  In the first line you state catagorically = >> that there are no duties on goods from the US "TO" Canada. F >> And nont only complain about customs brokers cheating Canadians but. >> claim this is on top of the 7% import tax.  > K > I didn't say "import" tax. It is the GST tax applied to both imported and  > local products/services. > ! > (GST = Goods and Services Tax).  > O > So when products enter canada from the USA, the standard sales tax is levied. R > Kept those bloody bloodsucking customs brokerage firms in business unfortunatly.   "What's  in a name?"  E The point is your government charges additional fees for goods coming D into Canada from the US and the the opposite is not true.  As I alsoG said, I regularly buy parts from Rimmer Bros. in England.  I have never D been charged any form of additional monies beyond what I pay Rimmer.D My fellow Club members from Canada don't buy from Rimmer because theG additional fees charged by Revebue Canada (call them whatever you want) ; make it much too expensive.  So who really has free trade??    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:48:02 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants / Message-ID: <3E749CB1.9788B845@vl.videotron.ca>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:G > The point is your government charges additional fees for goods coming = > into Canada from the US and the the opposite is not true.       J The point is to charge the same fee for products no matter where they comeB from.  In the old scheme where the federal tax was applied only toI domestically produced goods, when products came in from a country without G duties, these products had an automatic 13% advantage over domestically L produced good. And products being exported to the USA had a 13% disadvantage! because the tax was still levied.   K With the GST system, exported products are not submitted to the 7% GST, but H all goods consumed in canada are. So the imports get the same tax as theJ locally produced products. So it helps our exports remain competitive, andM doesn't give any unfair advantage to imported products since they are treated " the same as locally produced ones.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2003 14:06:24 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Old is new 6 Message-ID: <b520d0$24m2h1$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  / In article <3E73E48E.16E96F5E@vl.videotron.ca>, 3 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >> > http://www-124.ibm.com/dlm/ >>  ; >> Please don't waste our time by posting undescribed URLs.  >>  7 >> Others - It is a distributed lock manager for Linux.  > M > Please don't complain when you have some people killfiled and you don't see ; > the original messages where the URLs have been described.   ? Not to mention the fact that I owuld expect most people in this * group to know what "DLM" stood for anyway.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 08:29:03 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Old is new 3 Message-ID: <M1QkTWfS1g+U@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <b520d0$24m2h1$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:    >> Larry Kilgallen wrote: ! >>> > http://www-124.ibm.com/dlm/  >>> < >>> Please don't waste our time by posting undescribed URLs. >>> 8 >>> Others - It is a distributed lock manager for Linux.  A > Not to mention the fact that I owuld expect most people in this , > group to know what "DLM" stood for anyway.   I would expect something like:  D 	The IBM design for a Linux distributed lock manager seems to be ...      or   F 	The long-promised IBM distributed lock manager for Linux now seems...      or   ? 	IBM has just announced a distributed lock manager for Linux...   C In summary: IBM has a web page.  Why does the poster think it is of  interest this week?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 10:08:41 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman): Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0303161008.208adc29@posting.google.com>   d "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<fMWcne8CLvG6Re6jXTWcqQ@metrocast.net>...= > "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message 9 > news:b096a4ee.0303151657.7cc0709b@posting.google.com...  >  > ...  > D > > I wish to apologize for this particular remark. I have no way ofJ > > knowing just how many of the Pales. are interested in a land for peaceD > > deal with Israel. It only takes a few to cause a lot of trouble.5 > > Again, I apologize for the "small number" remark.  > J > The problems on both sides owe a great deal to such knee-jerk reactions.K > Recognizing just one such reaction for what it is, even if it only occurs M > after the fact, is at least a small start toward finding a better approach: N > do you think it possible that you might find more if you examined your posts > with that in mind?  & Perhaps, but this also applies to you.  C Additionally, it is not possible to be perfect. Sure, reexamination @ could change my tune on things, but it could change it in either) direction! At least I did correct myself.   F > Or to put it another way, if one operates on general impressions andN > automatic responses rather than a real attempt to understand the goals of anL > adversary, how is it possible to determine the degree to which those goals# > may be compatible with one's own?   = I have attempted to understand it. The more I think about the E initifada in response to a land for peace offer, the more I think the E Pales., (or their "extremists", anyway) are interested in nothing but A the destruction of Israel. Even if the Barak offer wasn't a "very E generous offer", the Pales. could have tried to bargain for something D better, taken whatever offer was agreed to, and worked from there toF make things still better. If they can demonstrate that given their ownE country, they can live in peace next to Israel, I'm sure things would B improve for both sides. The Barak offer was not a final dictate, aF "this is how it's going to be for the rest of eternity" deal. Instead,@ the Pales. have made things worse for everyone, esp. themselves.  E And I did read the Pales. reference complaining about the Barak deal. B It was kind of general in its complaints. Not enough to go on. And- still not a good reason to start intifada II.    > F > While the comment (as I noted) applies equally to both sides of thisM > conflict, the ability to make use of greater insights is not equal.  On the J > one hand, there is a band of Palestinian extremists with at best limitedJ > coherence; on the other, a government which presumably can not only makeG > rational decisions about what's best but can then carry them out.  So N > suicide bombings won't stop completely until *all* those inclined to performN > them have seen the light, whereas a more enlightened approach on the part of > Israel could begin tomorrow.  F It is the Pales. who are taking the unenlightened approach. The IsraelF on Pales. violence is done to stop the Pales. on Israel violence. WhenB Egypt, who attacked Israel in 1973, demonstrated a true desire forE peace, Israel gave them back every acre of land they wanted (and they C didn't want the Gaza strip). This shows that Israel can forgive. If D the Pales. had done the same instead of intifada II, I'm sure things, would have improved instead of deteriorated.  B OTOH, it sure is a difficult place to make peace. On both sides, aD leader was assasinated for making or attempting to make peace (Sadat and Rabin).   B When failed suicide bombers who are injured are captured, they areA treated like anyone else in Israeli hospitals (at least that's my B impression from recent news reports). Can the same be said when an Israeli is captured by Pales.?   >  > - bill   Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:56:58 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)) Subject: Re: Samba Missing stropts.h file ; Message-ID: <3e74203a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   : Alan Adams (alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:' > john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com (jm) wrote: 9 > > martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote... + > > > jm (john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com) wrote: K > > > > Also, I couldn't figure out how to see what compiler version I had. , > > > > "Help CC" didn't reveal the version. > > >  > > > $ CC /VERSION  > > J > > I have version 5.something.  Compaq says it is about ten years old.  IG > > think I have found my problem.  Thanks.  Incidentally, /version did J > > not give the information, I had to find the image and issue /analyze.  > > Thanks again.  >  > A Fortran trick might work:  >   > FORTRAN /LIS=TT: /NOOBJECT TT:
 > <CTRL-Z> > 7 > The listing from compiling nothing shows the version.   4 Then, of course, the second "TT:" should read "NL:".  G And yes, this also works with DEC C (where older versions would require & a file to compile). Simpler yet, IIRC:   $ CC /VERSION NL:    works, too.    cu,    Martin --  J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:05:24 -0600 : From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@knology.n-o--s-p-a-m.net>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?/ Message-ID: <v788hph44in608@corp.supernews.com>   ( On 3/15/2003 1:12 PM, PRSTSC::DTL wrote:@ > I have an intranet behind a Router and an ADSL link to my ISP.3 > When I try to "exit" from my PWS via mail, I get:  > C > From:   SMTP%"TCPIP$SMTP@dtl02.nerim.net" 13-MAR-2003 21:27:09.30   > To:     system@dtl02.nerim.net > CC:  > Subj:   Returned mail  > - > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:27:08 +0100 (MET) . > Message-Id: <03031321270855@dtl02.nerim.net>" > From: TCPIP$SMTP@dtl02.nerim.net > To: system@dtl02.nerim.net > Subject: Returned mail >  > ) > ---- Transcript of session follows ----  > ; > 553  %TCPIP-E-SMTP_COMMANDERR, SMTP command error free.fr  > " > ---- Unsent message follows ---- > - > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:27:06 +0100 (MET) . > Message-Id: <03031321270657@dtl02.nerim.net> > From: system@dtl02.nerim.net > To: DIDIER.MORANDI@free.fr > Subject: testt' > X-VMS-To: SMTP%didier.morandi@free.fri >  >  > ( > Is it a bind resovler problem or what? > 	 > Thanks.n >  > D. >   G I have the same problem when trying to send to knology.net.  However, I0E didn't have problems sending e-mail to some other domains (all .com). > Coincidentally, my alternate relay is set to smtp.knology.net.   Michael    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2003 07:42:06 GMT From: rmk@rmkhome.como( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?3 Message-ID: <3e742ace$0$193$75868355@news.frii.net>a  ; Michael Rice <MichaelARice@knology.n-o--s-p-a-m.net> wrote:n  I > I have the same problem when trying to send to knology.net.  However, I G > didn't have problems sending e-mail to some other domains (all .com).w@ > Coincidentally, my alternate relay is set to smtp.knology.net.  H Knology is one of those domains that is propagating enough outward bound+ spam that it is being blocked by many ISPs.n   --  , rmk@rmkhome.com		http://www.rmkhome.com/~rmk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:34:29 +0100-1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>1( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?4 Message-ID: <3e743749$0$26363$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   David J. Dachtera wrote:  H > I'll be watching to see if anyone posts any info. I had message bounce@ > off another site for the same reason - unexpected this is, and" > unfortunate (as Yoda once said).  1 Looks like the solution is somewhere around here:n   TCPIP> help set mx   SET'      MX_RECORD  D         For routing mail, adds routing information to the local Mail          Exchanger (MX) database.  D         Each entry contains a list of hosts that can accept mail forB         the specified destination. The list is in order of routing         preference.r  B         The local MX information is stored in the routes database.  H         The MX entry is one of the record types in the BIND database. In;         addition, a BIND server might provide an MX record.i  I         SMTP is designed to determine where the sending system should try H         to relay mail. It is also designed to identify where the sendingB         system actually tries to relay mail. To find a destinationE         address, the MX routing lookup process follows this sequence:C  .           1. Local MX database           2. Remote MX databasen           3. BIND database           4. Local hosts databasec  '         Related command: SHOW MX_RECORD            Formats   @           SET MX_RECORD  destination /GATEWAY=host /PREFERENCE=n  *           SET NOMX_RECORD  [ destination ]  ,                            [ /GATEWAY=host ]      but I do not know how to use it.   D.8 (happyness is surfing on the web on a Sunday morning :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:34:51 -0600T: From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@knology.n-o--s-p-a-m.net>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?. Message-ID: <v799th4ltu8e9@corp.supernews.com>  , On 3/16/2003 1:42 AM, rmk@rmkhome.com wrote:= > Michael Rice <MichaelARice@knology.n-o--s-p-a-m.net> wrote:e >  > I >>I have the same problem when trying to send to knology.net.  However, IeG >>didn't have problems sending e-mail to some other domains (all .com).p@ >>Coincidentally, my alternate relay is set to smtp.knology.net. >  > J > Knology is one of those domains that is propagating enough outward bound- > spam that it is being blocked by many ISPs.o >   K Knology is my ISP.  I was trying to send mail to my Knology e-mail address.t  F I think I might know what the problem with my system is.  The Knology E SMTP server does not accept messages that have a non-existent domain t@ name in the "From:" field in the message envelope.  Setting the G /SUBSTITUTE_DOMAIN got me past that, but I still can't send mail to my s* Knology account.  The SMTP log file shows:  , %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user MICHAELARICE8 Failed to deliver local mail to MICHAELARICE@KNOLOGY.NET%   %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user !ASp  = %TCPIP-E-SMTP_SNDERROR, error detected while sending mail to   MICHAELARICE@KNOLOGY.NET# -MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user !AS.  H Using my PC, I can send to that same address (all caps), and it doesn't E have a problem.  It's looks like Mail is trying to login to the SMTP oD server.  I guess I'll have to setup a local SMTP server and do some   logging to see what's happening.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:12:09 -0400w0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?/ Message-ID: <3E74B062.ED9911DD@vl.videotron.ca>e  = > > 553  %TCPIP-E-SMTP_COMMANDERR, SMTP command error free.fre    K I haven't yet received the original post (if I ever receive it). However, i . have also seen this message from time to time.  ) Set the logical TCPIP$SMTP_LOG_LEVEL to 2e and  TCPIP$SMTP_NOSEY to 1t TCPIP$SMTP_SYMB_TRACE to 1  M (system wide logicals). stop and restart SMTO and then send your message. YoueO can then look at the SMTP log files and you may get a good idea of the problem.a  M The last one is probably the one you need as it longs the interaction betweenyK your SMTP server (sender) and the remote one (receiver) and you'll see whato the complaint becomes.    G When you try to defeat your ISP's restrictions by running your own SMTP N server, the problem becomes that some hosts will refuse your messages for fearL that they are SPAM since they aren't being sent from a "real" SMTP server on& the internet (eg: MX address etc etc).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:38:55 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>- Subject: Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long)96 Message-ID: <b52gc6$249t5t$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  ? "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> schreef in berichto) news:3E735C6E.65066DE6@vl.videotron.ca...  > Hans Vlems wrote:oC > > ALLOCLASS                 100                               100e >rG > Shouldn't the ALLOCLASS be different for each node of a cluster ? (to L > differentiate the drive served MSCP by node 2 from the same drive accessed( > directly by node 1 ?) (and vice-versa)  F Good question, it was one of the things I felt that needed sorting outL before the experiment. On dual hosted RA disks between a pair of HSC's, bothK HSC's had to have the same alloclass value. On Alpha's with shared SCSI thetI same rule applies. That was the reason I used the same ALLOCLASS for bothnH VAXes. Otherwise the disknames would have been different on each cluster% member, giving rise to ghost devices.i  I > > 1 This is not a useful configuration, as predicted by Hoff and others  from > > DEC engineering. >tJ > Prior to setting up a disaster tolerant architecture, I had 2 vaxes with dualL > ported RA82 drives. If one vax failed, we could boot the other va from theL > first vax's drives and continue without loss of data.  Seems to me that asL > long as node 2 doesn't attempt to mount the drives, this would work, right ?c  I Right. I would now even want to go even further: you can mount the sharedoI SCSI disk cluster wide and use LOCKDIRWAIT to force lock ownership on theo( node that will actively use the disk(s).  K > Perhaps this type of shared scsi could be used to emulate the dual portedtH > nature of RA8x drives, by allowing a second vax to boot from the first vaxe,sI > drives when the 1st vax fails. However, this would lack the protectionsn giveniG > by the harware switches of the RA drives which prevent one drive froms beings > seen by 2 vaxes.   That is correct.  J > Note that I have seen MACs do this. You can boot your laptop from a real MAC>K > with a special SCSI plug that makes it boot off the real mac's drives andc viceF > versa. (but the MAC that "serves" the drive must boot with a specialF > application that makes that possible - gives poiwer to the drive and ensures H > that the SCSI is inactive so that the remote MAC can access its drives without conflict)  > L The experiment shows that both VAXes can use a cluster mounted disk, but oneH node will find that the disk went off-line for the period that the otherH machine used that disk. First come, first serve is the rule that applies here.c >oG > Having said this, is the SCSI used by the 3100-10 advanced enough fora sharedK > scsi ? I think it is just a very basic narrow SCSI-2 system. If it have ao moreC > modern SCSI bus, is it possible that it would be able to handle an > multiple-host system ?  H The 3100-10 and the 3100-M48 have SCSI-2 hardware without tagged commandG queuing. That is a prerequisite to implement true cluster wide use of alD peripheral. Even though there was a tape drive (TZ30, MKA500) in the8 VS3100-M48 you may have noted that it was not tested ...   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:41:25 +0100e" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>- Subject: Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long) 6 Message-ID: <b52ggt$24efpk$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  4 "Roger Ivie" <rivie@ridgenet.net> schreef in bericht- news:slrnb75u9c.84s.rivie@Stench.no.domain...:J > In article <b4vlo2$24b9lm$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, Hans Vlems wrote:F > > A couple of days ago the question of the viability of a dual homedI > > VAXcluster was raised. Apparantly there is no real risk that hardware  getsH > > damaged, other than loosing the on-disk datastructure, I felt it was worthnJ > > investigating. This is a description of a brief experiment with a dualG > > hosted shared SCSI bus VAX/VMS cluster. The following equipment and  > > configuration was used:n >uI > It's not clear from your description that you have remembered to changeaF > the SCSI ID of one of the VAXes. If both machines have the same SCSIC > ID, the disks won't be able to tell to which machine they want tov > reconnect. >s > -- > Roger Ivie > rivie@ridgenet.net   Roger,  
 I wrote this:o  G "Dkb0 and dkb500 are located in an expansion cabinet. Both systems werenL connected by ethernet as well. The default SCSI id for a VAX SCSI controller2 is 6, so on the 3100-10 this value was set to 7. "  F So the 3100-M48 used id 6 for SCSI-B and the 3100-10 used id 7 for the second SCSI controller.7   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:44:40 +0100e" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>- Subject: Re: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus (long) 6 Message-ID: <b52gmv$24f7kt$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  - "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> schreef in berichto+ news:b4vrvi$vl$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...t > Roger Ivie wrote:sL > > In article <b4vlo2$24b9lm$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, Hans Vlems wrote: > >pF > >>A couple of days ago the question of the viability of a dual homedI > >>VAXcluster was raised. Apparantly there is no real risk that hardware  getsH > >>damaged, other than loosing the on-disk datastructure, I felt it was worth J > >>investigating. This is a description of a brief experiment with a dualG > >>hosted shared SCSI bus VAX/VMS cluster. The following equipment and  > >>configuration was used:  > >d > >eK > > It's not clear from your description that you have remembered to changeoH > > the SCSI ID of one of the VAXes. If both machines have the same SCSIE > > ID, the disks won't be able to tell to which machine they want tor > > reconnect. > >h@ > Very true. And the SCSI adapters also must support a dual host configuration., > Many SCSI adapters don't and get confused. >  Dirk  J ik heb een hoge pet op van Digital maar geloof nooit dat de standaard SCSIL controllers in 3100's (VAX noch VAXstation) bijzondere eigenschappen hadden.K Betrouwbaar, zeker, snel en technisch vooropstaand, dacht het niet. VergeetaF niet dat Digital rondom 1990 niet echt een SCSI centrisch bedrijf was.D Overigens stond in de oorspronkelijke tekst dat de 3100-10 SCSI id 7, gebruikte, i.p.v. de standaard waarde van 6.   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:59:24 +0100o" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>3 Subject: Two VAXes on one SCSI bus - HW description 6 Message-ID: <b52hik$256h3o$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  I The ASCII art work in the original post was completely useless. It causedZI confusion, so here follows a better description. The SCSI-A bus of eithernL system is internal to that system. Note that SCSI controler id's are between square brackets:  	 System 1:C4 VAXstation 3100-M48 (built in Ayre, week 29 of 1991) SCSI-A bus [6]: dka100, mka500& SCSI-B bus [6]: dkb100, dkb200, dkb400  	 System 2:l1 microVAX 3100-10 (built in Ayre, week 35 of 1991)  SCSI-A bus [6]: dka300, dka500/ SCSI-B bus [7]: dkb300    (cluster system disk)s  K Between the two SCSI-B bus connectors was a disk expansion cabinet (micoVAXR= 3100 style) that housed an RZ29 and an RRZ43: dkb0 and dkb500   1 The lay-out of the common SCSI bus was therefore:o   0   dkb0        RZ29 1   dkb100    RZ24L  2   dkb200    RZ24Ly 3   dkb300    RZ24" 4   dkb400    Pioneer CD-ROM drive 5   dkb500    RRD43h% 6   SCSI-B controller on the 3100-M48c$ 7   SCSI-B controller on the 3100-10  E My apologies for the confusion, hopefully this clarifies the hardware  lay-outm   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:15:54 -0500s* From: "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> Subject: Re: unixs; Message-ID: <pan.2003.03.16.07.15.52.165862@nospam.invalid>   ; On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:59:13 +0000, Charles Richmond wrote:v   > "Heinz W. Wiggeshoff" wrote: >> a8 >> "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message8 >> news:pan.2003.03.15.17.58.42.324768@nospam.invalid..., >> > I should take a picture of my Model 95. >>  = >>   In this newsgroup, that had better be prefixed with 360.h >>? > Actually, the PS/2 model 95 is *well* over ten years old now..< > So IMHO it qualifies for <a.f.c.> inclusion. About four or; > five years ago, I went to a big "parking lot" electronicsr? > sale. Some guy had 10 foot stacks of PS/2 model 30's for salem= > ...just the computer part, no monitor or keyboard...for $10n7 > each US. I did *not* see anyone rushing to buy one...i > = > IIRC, the PS/2 model 95 was the *only* PS/2 that had a '386d3 > in it...the rest were underpowered with a '286...,  J The Model 80 had a '386, the Model 77 and a number of others had '486, andI the '95 was available with up to a Pentium 60 IIRC (might have been 90--Ie? misremember if the 90Mhz complex was ever shipped with the 95).?   --   --John- Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot netp# (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:31:57 -0700 % From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening)p Subject: Re: unixc5 Message-ID: <1frvw8u.b7b7vs10hlvxwN%lars@bearnip.com>$  * Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:   > Joe Heimann wrote: > > < > > In comp.os.vms Stan Barr <stanb45@dial.pipex.com> wrote: > > J > > > Yep, I've been lusting after an Apple 23" 1920x1200 pixel one...thatH > > > should be nearly enough real-estate, but it costs more than all myI > > > computer gear put together :-(   I'll keep struggling along with myt& > > > dual headed 17" and 15" setup... > > J > > Apple recently reduced the price on that one by quite a bit, now it isL > > only very expensive as compared to extremely expensive.  Might only cost) > > as much as most of your equipment....d > > > > Hey, this is easily solved...just buy *all* Apple equipment.: > Then the LCD will *not* cost as much as the rest of your8 > equipment...because the rest will also be expensive!!!  H And isn't there the unwritten rule that one's computing equipment should: be at least as expensive as one's means of transportation?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:01:48 +0100$, From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net> Subject: Re: unix07 Message-ID: <20030316100148.0fae7573.steveo@eircom.net>r  " On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:15:18 -05005 Roland Hutchinson <my_spamtrap@eudoramail.com> wrote:    RH> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:  RH> @ RH> > I go for 1600x1200 or better and turn up the point size to RH> > something readable :)  RH> J RH> An excellent strategy until you have to print from a WYSIWYG program.   = 	Those know what the resolution is in DPI and DTRT or I don't J use them. I don't use many WYSIWYG programs anyway I prefer the YGWYAF for most things.  H RH> Better to tell the OS that your screen has got some gynormous number* RH> of pixels to the inch -- if you can.    @ 	I do, but not everything pays attention, some applications evenF use bitmap fonts (found in a directory called 100dpi), and so they get lied to.   -- aD C:>WIN                                      |     Directable MirrorsJ The computer obeys and wins.                |A Better Way To Focus The SunH You lose and Bill collects.                 |  licenses available - see:F                                             |   http://www.sohara.org/   ------------------------------  ! Date: Sun, 16 Mar 03 11:55:29 GMT. From: jmfbahciv@aol.com  Subject: Re: unixr+ Message-ID: <b51rek$h5l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>n  ' In article <3E73CCEB.968D57FA@ev1.net>,--    Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:0 >Joe Heimann wrote:< >> e; >> In comp.os.vms Stan Barr <stanb45@dial.pipex.com> wrote: ; >> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:39:57 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith: >> > <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:T >> >>SI >> >>c) They [LCD displays] are far too expensive - especially at decent c resolutions. >> eJ >> > Yep, I've been lusting after an Apple 23" 1920x1200 pixel one...that  shouldJ >> > be nearly enough real-estate, but it costs more than all my computer  gearK >> > put together :-(   I'll keep struggling along with my dual headed 17" n andS >> > 15" setup...r >> /I >> Apple recently reduced the price on that one by quite a bit, now it islK >> only very expensive as compared to extremely expensive.  Might only coste( >> as much as most of your equipment.... >>  = >Hey, this is easily solved...just buy *all* Apple equipment.   6 How?  I didn't see one.  Has the marketplace become so6 saturated with on-linedness that retail is arcane?  I : don't think so.  Getting hardware into every home is still& at that "keeping up with Jones" stage.  9 >Then the LCD will *not* cost as much as the rest of youra7 >equipment...because the rest will also be expensive!!!   8 At the moment, I'm not even considering cost.  I'm still looking at function.   /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Mar 2003 13:58:20 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: unixe6 Message-ID: <b51vts$24m2h1$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  ' In article <3E740F48.7C81AAF8@ev1.net>,o, 	Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> l* >> In article <3E73CBF2.B051827A@ev1.net>,6 >>         Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> writes: >> >  0 >> >       [snip...]     [snip...]     [snip...] >> >@ >> > IIRC, the PS/2 model 95 was the *only* PS/2 that had a '3866 >> > in it...the rest were underpowered with a '286... >> uA >> Nope, Model 80's and Model 70's were 386's.  Actually, I don't B >> remember any PS/2's that had '286's in them.  BUt maybe we just@ >> skipped from the 30 to the bigger ones.  We had piles of them? >> at the University and I had several dozen in the Department.iA >> Still a few in my storage closet and I think 2 of them here ate5 >> the house. And lots of 3Com and WD ethernet cards.S >> T> > I know that the model 30's and model 50's had only '286's inB > them. From what I have been able to dig up on the 'net, anything& > below a model 70 had a '286 in it...  7 Our Model 30's were mere 8088's.  Never saw a model 50.    bill  c   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:23:17 GMTr= From: peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)r Subject: up2000 + up10007 Message-ID: <3e74b1f4.21370500@news.cable.ntlworld.com>t  	 Hi there,n  D Does Open VMS or Tru64 unix run on the UP2000 or UP1000 motherboards" or were they NT/Linux boards only?  E They appear on ebay and they are somewhat cheaper than the equivalento$ Compaq systems i.e DS20, DS20e DS10.  E I believe Open VMS runs on the 264DP motherboard but these are rarer.e  = There is another board a UP2000+ not too sure about that one.h   Thanks for any info.   cheers,e       Peter Watkinsons% peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.coms remove <nospam> to reply :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:41:31 GMTo= From: peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)  Subject: Re: up2000 + up10007 Message-ID: <3e74b6d0.22614328@news.cable.ntlworld.com>m  ! On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:23:17 GMT,o> peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote:   >a > 
 >Hi there, >rE >Does Open VMS or Tru64 unix run on the UP2000 or UP1000 motherboardsn# >or were they NT/Linux boards only?r >sF >They appear on ebay and they are somewhat cheaper than the equivalent% >Compaq systems i.e DS20, DS20e DS10.d >eF >I believe Open VMS runs on the 264DP motherboard but these are rarer. >a> >There is another board a UP2000+ not too sure about that one. >0 >Thanks for any info.5 >. >cheers, >l >n   found this answer on hp.com     . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_3360.html         Peter Watkinsonf% peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com8 remove <nospam> to reply :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:11:50 +0100U1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> # Subject: [OT] JarJar Binks languager3 Message-ID: <3e7431fb$0$8910$626a54ce@news.free.fr>d  G The Lucas translation team here has easily translated "unexpected this tI is, and unfortunate" to "Inattendu, ceci est, et regrettable", which was s not so difficult.d  H But about JarJar, who does phonetic links between his personal pronoums F (sp?) and the verbs which follow, what is the English version of, for  example:  H "Eussa tisfaits, eussa tres tisfaits de vous revoir" (Episode 2, JarJar F to Anakin) i.e. "They are happy, they are very happy to see you again"   or  G "Missa precie ca, Noussa peut etre vos amis" (Episode 1, TheBigBoss to  I Queen Amidala and her group requesting help) i.e. "I do appreciate this, R I may become your friend" .v   or  G "Salutavoussi, PapaBigBossVotreGrandeur" (Episode 1, when JarJar comes yG back home for the first time) i.e. "Hello FatherBigBossYourExcellence".i  $ What are the exact words in English?   D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.148 ************************