1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 17 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 149       Contents:. Re: Apache authentication/authorization issuesI Re: asking again- what was the fastest vax and alpha made (vms of course) I RE: asking again- what was the fastest vax and alpha made (vms of course) P Re: asking again- what was the fastest vax and alpha made (vms of course) course, Re: Getting AlphaStation onto Cable Internet( Re: Help using SYS$CRELNM and SYS$TRNLNM# Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! * Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants Re: Old is new1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants 1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants . OT: Something everyone should ask their Doctor2 Re: OT: Something everyone should ask their Doctor2 Re: OT: Something everyone should ask their Doctor  Re: Scan Disks for media errors? Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: unix Re: up2000 + up1000  Re: VAX Shared SCSI anyone?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 17:25:08 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)7 Subject: Re: Apache authentication/authorization issues = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0303161725.3eb2c476@posting.google.com>   b lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<b521tg$mrh$1@newslocal.mitre.org>... > J > Hmmm, that feature was not apparant when I evaluated the product severalD > years ago, and yes I did look for it in the docs.  Maybe it's new. > - > --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org   E the following was cut out of the dec article link below and refers to B purveyor v1.2 ... current version is 2.1, so it apparantly has had4 external authentication support since the get go ...  F Purveyor Encrypt for OpenVMS supports multiple authorization databasesE for access control. In addition to Purveyor's built-in access control C database, which provides for Web access control without the need to B create OpenVMS accounts for each Web user, Purveyor has integratedE support for the use of the OpenVMS SYSUAF.DAT file for authorization. F Through the use of Purveyor's external authentication feature, you canF substitute any external database, even integrate a relational database like Oracle Rdb.   H http://www.openvms.compaq.com:88/netscape/help/IPS_SPD/SPD_PURVEYOR.HTML   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:29:31 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) R Subject: Re: asking again- what was the fastest vax and alpha made (vms of course)0 Message-ID: <fqada.381$ci1.132@news.cpqcorp.net>  R In article <qr547vgs8u43tt5q1e0r62bg4gj20963ps@4ax.com>, Dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:C :I've been trying to read the websites, and history, and models and * :stuff, and get a bit lost in all of them.  C   Your question is not a trival one to answer, particularly without B   some (additional) background on why you are asking the question.C   (I can think of reasons ranging from purchasing plans to hardware E   support to competitive research to a homework assignment, and there 0   are likely other reasons to ask the question.)  G :I'm not really interested in the super-multi-processor systems (as I'd % :never be able to afford one anyhow).  : F :I see things like systems with 48x vax and I think I saw one that was :76x.   "   Those are not valid model names.  F :So I just wondered if someone could tell me (quickly and easily) whatC :were the fastest vax system made (non-multi-processor) and fastest / :Alpha made (vms systems, non-multiprocessor) ?   @   NVAX+ is the fastest VAX microprocessor, and VAX systems based?   on NVAX+ would be the fastest boxes -- of the large-scale VAX >   systems, that would be the VAX 7000 series and the VAX 10000>   series, and likely specifically the model 800 series members   of each of these two series.  /   Various other VAX systems are based on NVAX+.   B   Off-hand, I do not know how the comparison of the performance ofD   one of the available VAX emulators on the fastest available target   hardware.    ?   EV7 is the current and fastest Alpha microprocessor, and EV79 >   is under development.  The AlphaServer GS1280 is the current"   large-scale system based on EV7.  /   Various other Alpha systems are based on EV7.   B :and also, what were the last models of vms systems to roll of the5 :assembly lines in both vax and alpha configurations?   @   New Alpha systems are available, and new(er) Alpha systems areC   under development.  OpenVMS is under active development, as well.   B   As for the last VAX systems, the last ship date was 31-Dec-2000.:   The particular last date of sale varied by VAX platform.  ?   VAX emulators are presently available for at least two target >   operating systems and platforms, please see the OpenVMS FAQ.  >   The port of OpenVMS to the Intel Itanium Processor Family is   presently underway, as well.  F   If you want the simple, incomplete, and arguably quite wrong answer:  .     VAX 7000 model 800 and VAX 10000 model 800     AlphaServer GS1280  B   Smaller VAX systems and smaller Alpha systems can be far better A   choices for home use, as the above systems are physically quite B   large.  (For information on the OpenVMS Hobbyist program, please   see the FAQ.)   E   If you provided us with some (additional) background here, we might ?   be able to better tailor the answer to the intended question.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:44:54 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> R Subject: RE: asking again- what was the fastest vax and alpha made (vms of course)9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBIGNAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- + >From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoff@hp.nospam] % >Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:30 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComH >Subject: Re: asking again- what was the fastest vax and alpha made (vms >of course)  >  > > >In article <qr547vgs8u43tt5q1e0r62bg4gj20963ps@4ax.com>, Dan  ><dan@vrx.net> writes:D >:I've been trying to read the websites, and history, and models and+ >:stuff, and get a bit lost in all of them.  > D >  Your question is not a trival one to answer, particularly withoutC >  some (additional) background on why you are asking the question. D >  (I can think of reasons ranging from purchasing plans to hardwareF >  support to competitive research to a homework assignment, and there1 >  are likely other reasons to ask the question.)  > H >:I'm not really interested in the super-multi-processor systems (as I'd& >:never be able to afford one anyhow). >:G >:I see things like systems with 48x vax and I think I saw one that was  >:76x.   I think the x=times 780  > # >  Those are not valid model names.  > G >:So I just wondered if someone could tell me (quickly and easily) what D >:were the fastest vax system made (non-multi-processor) and fastest0 >:Alpha made (vms systems, non-multiprocessor) ? > A >  NVAX+ is the fastest VAX microprocessor, and VAX systems based @ >  on NVAX+ would be the fastest boxes -- of the large-scale VAX? >  systems, that would be the VAX 7000 series and the VAX 10000 ? >  series, and likely specifically the model 800 series members  >  of each of these two series.  > 0 >  Various other VAX systems are based on NVAX+. > C >  Off-hand, I do not know how the comparison of the performance of E >  one of the available VAX emulators on the fastest available target  >  hardware. >   @ >  EV7 is the current and fastest Alpha microprocessor, and EV79? >  is under development.  The AlphaServer GS1280 is the current # >  large-scale system based on EV7.  > 0 >  Various other Alpha systems are based on EV7. > C >:and also, what were the last models of vms systems to roll of the 6 >:assembly lines in both vax and alpha configurations? > A >  New Alpha systems are available, and new(er) Alpha systems are D >  under development.  OpenVMS is under active development, as well. > C >  As for the last VAX systems, the last ship date was 31-Dec-2000. ; >  The particular last date of sale varied by VAX platform.  > @ >  VAX emulators are presently available for at least two target? >  operating systems and platforms, please see the OpenVMS FAQ.  > ? >  The port of OpenVMS to the Intel Itanium Processor Family is  >  presently underway, as well.  > G >  If you want the simple, incomplete, and arguably quite wrong answer:  > / >    VAX 7000 model 800 and VAX 10000 model 800  >    AlphaServer GS1280  > C >  Smaller VAX systems and smaller Alpha systems can be far better  B >  choices for home use, as the above systems are physically quiteC >  large.  (For information on the OpenVMS Hobbyist program, please  >  see the FAQ.) > F >  If you provided us with some (additional) background here, we might@ >  be able to better tailor the answer to the intended question. >  > 2 > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>  >-----------------------------K >      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com 4 > --------------------------- pure personal opinion  >---------------------------F >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:26:33 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>Y Subject: Re: asking again- what was the fastest vax and alpha made (vms of course) course / Message-ID: <3E754067.89DFE83B@vl.videotron.ca>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: - >   NVAX+ is the fastest VAX microprocessor,    N You mean to tell me that the all mighty Microvax II doesn't rank up there ????8 Well, I am very disapointed ;-) :-) :-) :-)_ :-) :-) :-)  ' >   on NVAX+ would be the fastest boxes   L When one mentions NVAX+, does this refer to one specific chip running at oneG specific clock rate, or just to the generation which may have had a few ( iterations with different clock speeds ?  A >   EV7 is the current and fastest Alpha microprocessor, and EV79  >   is under development.   L If Alpha were intel property with Intel having all the motivations, would itL take any longer for Intel to process-shrink Alpha than it does to shrink the 8086 (Aka Pentium) ?  J Was there any discussion that the last one would be EV78 (leaving room forI possibly an unplanned additional shrink EV79 should IA64 fail to generate  sales ?    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Mar 2003 03:15:37 GMT! From: vmsquest@aol.com (VMSQuest) 5 Subject: Re: Getting AlphaStation onto Cable Internet 9 Message-ID: <20030316221537.04982.00000205@mb-cu.aol.com>   C Of course! Hey, this stuff is almost starting to make sense. Scary.    Many thanks to John and Paul   VMSQuest   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 17:00:45 -0800: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)1 Subject: Re: Help using SYS$CRELNM and SYS$TRNLNM = Message-ID: <7f15589f.0303161700.6fa5b3cd@posting.google.com>   g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E726F04.575B3C03@vl.videotron.ca>...  > RC Bryan wrote: E > > about over 160 values but when I try to use sys$trnlnm to get the 6 > > values, it won't let me look at values above 127.  > H > Interesting because the doc mentions that this is given as a longword.  > It's only a longword because item lists always retrieve eitherC longwords or pointers to other storage.  The doc also mentions that ? 127 is the maximum index value, so there is a hard limit of 128 B equivalence names, 0-127.  N.B.  LNM$_MAX_INDEX is not the highestC equivalence name index that a search list logical *can* hold; it is @ the highest equivalence name index that a particular search list# logical name currently *does* hold.   F I'm a bit surprised and even a little skeptical that sys$crelnm allowsF the creation of logical names with an index value above 127.  Any codeD that tries to use values above 127 deserves whatever trouble it gets into.    > O > When you get the first F$TRNLNM requesting the MAX_INDEX value (which returns E > the number of equivalences), does it respond with 127 or with 160 ?  > M > What happens if you request the transation of index 129 ? Does it return an : > error, return the right value, or return index value 1 ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:57:41 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!2 Message-ID: <b52kvn$iia$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   news.verizon.net wrote:  > RE: Slow booting > J > We are using a floppy on the i2000 because we decided to focus the FAT32M > container file development work on the rx2600. We hard wired the i2000 code L > to look to the floppy or the internal SCSI disk for the FAT files. The twoI > files you saw on the i2000 floppy will be on the VMS system disk in the ) > FAT32 container file in future systems.  > N > Using the floppy does contribute to the slowness of booting the i2000 but itI > has nothing to do with the content, only accessing the media. As to any J > Alpha SRM-like functions we want to have, we will put them in either theN > boot manager or in EFI applications. (The IA64 boot architecture is designedN > so that you can add whatever you want to it.) These get executed in the boot' > environment prior to running SYSBOOT.  > 
 > Clair Grant  >  Thanks for your reply Clair,  Q As I understand from an e-mail I got, Intel wants to put (almost ?) all bios/SRM  O functions on a FAT formatted disk. Now it all depends on what you call a disk.  O These days we have all kind of solid state devices that can act as a disk. USB  J memory sticks, flashcards etc. I have no problem with the idea that these P functions are on such a kind of disk. However putting them on container file or Q a disk partition of a VMS system disk does not sound very attractive to me. If I  Q suspect problems with my system or if I want to upgrade 'firmware', I would feel  N much more comfortable if I could do that without the risk tof compromising my M system disk. And how about the portability of a VMS sytem disk etc.? So I do  Q hope that HP engineering will put all this low-level hardware related stuff on a  I memory stick or a flashcard, and keep the VMS system disk as it is today.    Regards, Dirk   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 14:43:31 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!3 Message-ID: <Lq6COHYkCxN8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <b52kvn$iia$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:   S > As I understand from an e-mail I got, Intel wants to put (almost ?) all bios/SRM  $ > functions on a FAT formatted disk.  H I thought the explanation at St. Louis DECUS in September was that thereK were two possible disk formats, and integrating FAT onto the same structure + as ODS was the more attractive alternative.   Q > functions on a FAT formatted disk. Now it all depends on what you call a disk.  Q >                                    Now it all depends on what you call a disk.  Q > These days we have all kind of solid state devices that can act as a disk. USB  L > memory sticks, flashcards etc. I have no problem with the idea that these R > functions are on such a kind of disk. However putting them on container file or S > a disk partition of a VMS system disk does not sound very attractive to me. If I      C Others, however, have said they want to be able to run VMS on _any_ C Itanium (-2 or better).  To achieve that technical goal means _not_ ? depending on a second disk (unless you know that two disks is a C requirement of the Itanium architecture.  The idea is to get _away_ E from requirements that the hardware be specifically designed for VMS.   S > suspect problems with my system or if I want to upgrade 'firmware', I would feel  P > much more comfortable if I could do that without the risk tof compromising my O > system disk. And how about the portability of a VMS sytem disk etc.? So I do    A My understanding from that DECUS conference was that any of those ? "console" functions would count as part of the operating system & and be installed and upgraded with it.  S > hope that HP engineering will put all this low-level hardware related stuff on a  K > memory stick or a flashcard, and keep the VMS system disk as it is today.   C You seem to be away from the mainstream trend to want VMS no longer @ to require special hardware (even if made by HP).  To the extentC that VMS requires something not required by HP-UX the minimum price # goes up and VMS becomes more niche.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:12:52 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!2 Message-ID: <b52st3$ffg$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:U > In article <b52kvn$iia$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  >  > S >>As I understand from an e-mail I got, Intel wants to put (almost ?) all bios/SRM  $ >>functions on a FAT formatted disk. >  > J > I thought the explanation at St. Louis DECUS in September was that thereM > were two possible disk formats, and integrating FAT onto the same structure - > as ODS was the more attractive alternative.  >  > Q >>functions on a FAT formatted disk. Now it all depends on what you call a disk.  Q >>                                   Now it all depends on what you call a disk.  Q >>These days we have all kind of solid state devices that can act as a disk. USB  L >>memory sticks, flashcards etc. I have no problem with the idea that these R >>functions are on such a kind of disk. However putting them on container file or S >>a disk partition of a VMS system disk does not sound very attractive to me. If I   >  >  > E > Others, however, have said they want to be able to run VMS on _any_ E > Itanium (-2 or better).  To achieve that technical goal means _not_ A > depending on a second disk (unless you know that two disks is a E > requirement of the Itanium architecture.  The idea is to get _away_ G > from requirements that the hardware be specifically designed for VMS.  >  > S >>suspect problems with my system or if I want to upgrade 'firmware', I would feel  P >>much more comfortable if I could do that without the risk tof compromising my O >>system disk. And how about the portability of a VMS sytem disk etc.? So I do   >  > C > My understanding from that DECUS conference was that any of those A > "console" functions would count as part of the operating system ( > and be installed and upgraded with it. >  > S >>hope that HP engineering will put all this low-level hardware related stuff on a  K >>memory stick or a flashcard, and keep the VMS system disk as it is today.  >  > E > You seem to be away from the mainstream trend to want VMS no longer B > to require special hardware (even if made by HP).  To the extentE > that VMS requires something not required by HP-UX the minimum price % > goes up and VMS becomes more niche.   / I think we have a bit of misunderstanding here.   P First of all I don't want to compromise the new IA64 standard that needs such a N disk (in whatever shape). So my idea of putting all directly hardware related I stuff on a solid state disk would be in compliance with those rules as I   understand the rules now.   Q Secondly I distinguish three layers. The first layer is the hardware itself. The  N second layer is the firmware/bios/srm-console or however you want to call the J functionality that is there to do low-level settings of that (!) specific H hardware platform, and to offer the operating system a interface to the O hardware. The third layer is the operating system with its drivers. In my view  O the second layer belongs to the hardware, not to the operating system. Putting  O the second layer on a fat partition or container disk on the system disk would  N effectively bind operating system and hardware to one unit. We never had that 1 with VMS, and I would not like to have it either.   Q And thirdly, the idea of running VMS on all kind of Intel boxes sounds nice, but  Q have you thought of all the junk hardware out there ? Over the years I have read  P   about and experienced so many problems with badly designed PC class hardware, N that I really shiver with the idea of all the problems that HP will be called N for when a VMS system shows problems with non certified hardware. I prefer to M get warnings that on a very heavily loaded ES40 it may happen that I loose a  O byte when writing to a floppy disk (!!), then getting no warning at all that a  P heavily loaded system may get memory corruption or so because the chipset has a N design fault. So it is ok that VMS can run on any IA64 box, but that does not  mean you should do it.   Dirk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:44:48 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!/ Message-ID: <3E74F036.AD283FDB@vl.videotron.ca>    re: SRM console media.  / Obviously, I guess HP doesn't want "diskettes".   G If all systems had a CDROM, then perhaps could one boot SRM from a CD ?   C Any chance the IA64 thing could request its SRM via BOOTP or TFTP ?   O I am concerned that in a cluster, not all nodes would be equipped with a CDROM.   J What happens to diskless workstations/nodes in a cluster ? Can the console$ program be loaded via the ethernet ?   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 17:06:49 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!3 Message-ID: <rXrGB9CXAoGm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <b52st3$ffg$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:   S > And thirdly, the idea of running VMS on all kind of Intel boxes sounds nice, but  7 > have you thought of all the junk hardware out there ?   
 Certainly.  D And so has Intel.  That is why their specifications for the behavior< of Itanium systems is so much tighter than for IA32 systems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:21:38 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!2 Message-ID: <b530ug$g6f$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:  > re: SRM console media. > 1 > Obviously, I guess HP doesn't want "diskettes".  > I > If all systems had a CDROM, then perhaps could one boot SRM from a CD ?   Q Yes and no. You can't write to a CD, at least not if you're thinking of a normal  M CD-Rom. At settings need to be saved somewhere, so we need a writable device.    > E > Any chance the IA64 thing could request its SRM via BOOTP or TFTP ?  > Q > I am concerned that in a cluster, not all nodes would be equipped with a CDROM.   F Why not ? It is standard on any computer. You can remove it, but why ?   > L > What happens to diskless workstations/nodes in a cluster ? Can the console& > program be loaded via the ethernet ?  K Maybe, but again why ? a USB memory stick is much easier and is local, not  ! somewhere on a different machine.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:48:40 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!0 Message-ID: <cIada.383$ci1.124@news.cpqcorp.net>  S In article <b4usre$kis$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: N :Booting was very slow, because there was a floppy disk involved. Why you may R :ask. Well on the alpha we are blessed with a wonderful bios, sorry, SRM console. O :That has been a matter of discussion in this group before, how is HP going to  N :implement that on the IA64. The answer is they are not, at least not in this L :shape. It seems the SRM console (successor) will be a part on the VMS boot J :routine, so to access it means a conversational boot and doing things in = :sysboot. And it this stage the "SRM console" is on a floppy.  : O :The problem seems to be that Intel has no provisions for a proper SRM kind of  N :bios on the Itanic. Understandable, because no IA32 system ever had a clever R :bios. Hwever I don't like this solution. Why not use a flashcard or a USB memory L :stick with a "SRM console" ? That way you would be able to put all kind of M :hardware routines in the SRM console. Think of test routines, setup routines M :for hardware, flash routines for adapter cards and so on. In fact even more  N :functionality then with the present SRM console. Now that would be innovativeM :in my view. If you think you have a problem with your system, you don't want K :to boot your VMS system disk to get a SRM console. You may run the risk of * :having a corrupt system disk as a result.  F   The above suppositions are wrong, or there was some confusion in the   discussion(s).  G   The EFI console is a reasonable operating environment -- akin to that F   of VAX -- though with some definite differences and extensions from H   the time of VAX, of course.  The EFI has some features I wish SRM had,H   such as the ability to start an IP network and perform an FTP.  ThoughJ   I wish EFI had SRM-like pipe support, so neither is a clear winner here.  G   The use of the floppy is because of some limits within the bootstrap  J   tools; tools I am presently working on.  An "SRM console" is not locatedJ   on the floppy, an analog to the APB.EXE primary bootstrap is loaded fromG   that disk for purposes of the demonstrations.  I've prototyped direct J   boot and -- once debugged -- that is the prefered and expected solution.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:01:07 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants H Message-ID: <7K4da.48087$a41.39830@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> Keywords: X-No-Archive:Yes  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E737202.B3155F87@vl.videotron.ca...  > John Smith wrote:  > > a silly example  > > F http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=638&ncid=762&e=5&u=/n" m/20030314/en_nm/leisure_chicks_dc >  > F > Sorry, I don't find that silly, I find it extremely sad. Criticising a C > government is one of the primary requirements of a democracy. Did 
 anyone getB > called unpatriotic when they criticised Clinton for getting blow jobs in the  > oval office ?    They got called the 'L' word.       E > In Qubec, a former prime minister who was quite old fashioned once 	 said in a E > speech that he was "god's hand" (la main de dieu) and that he would 
 do things,D > if elected, guided by his religious upbringing. He never heard the end ofD > this. Nobody was called unpatriotic for laughting/criticising that guys's statement.  > E > Yet, Bush Jr apparently said that he had God's approval to bomb the  hell outA > of Iraq, and yet nobody in the USA seems to be reacting. If the  statement isD > accurate, it is exactly the same type of justification that Bush's dear friend ? > Ossama used to justify 9-11. Any head of state that uses such 3 > excuse/terminology should be severely criticised.   F There has always been a closer relationship to church and state in theE US than the Constitution would seem to preclude; Especially if you're : from Texas. Or Republican. Or a member of the NRA. To wit:F - prayer breakfasts at public expense in the White House (Billy Graham & Nixon, and other presidents); D - presidential references/statements of 'god bless America' and 'god this' and 'god that'; ? - isn't the President a civil servant and precluded from making B 'religious' statements while on the job (and when isn't he 'on the$ job)  and while on federal property?    > And Bush is probably thinking of the religious use of the word@ 'crusade' when he has used it in past 18 months when he talks of< American retaliation for 9/11, Iraq, and other 'evil doers'.    D > Yet, those who so attempt to criticise him are shut out of society and labeled unpatriotic.  = It's as if Republicans who agree with the president and other F war-hawks in Cabinet and senior administrative roles are the only onesE who are entitled to be patriotic. It's a classic case of us vs. them, E internally within America, and in American foreign policy. Some might C be charitable and call it bunker mentaility. I prefer to call it by . its medical description - delusional paranoia.    B > I find it ironic that the media companies are the first to claim their right > > to speech whenever the government tries to prevent them from speaking out, yet D > in these sad times, they are the ones doing the government's dirty work by 5 > shutting out anyone who doesn't agree with Bush Jr.   E Speaking of  the TV news media in general, if you don't get spoon-fed @ by the White House and/or DoD, then you by definition don't haveF 'news'. And without news, you don't have ratings (when crises abound).C You've fired all your real investigative journalist types, and  you D are trying to dumb-down the 'newscasts' to reflect the entertainmentC division's desires to have light-hearted news so you don't alienate B views from leaving the tv tuned to their network for the 'AmericanA Gladiator' or 'Bubbleheads on a Tropical Island' or the 'Greed is : Good' game show program that immediately follows the news.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:15:31 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants H Message-ID: <DX4da.48291$a41.34847@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> Keywords: 'X-No-Archive: yes  - "CJT" <cheljuba@prodigy.net> wrote in message $ news:3E7419D7.9070400@prodigy.net... > JF Mezei wrote:  > > David Webb wrote:  > > B > >>Shouldn't the UN be in control of any immediate reconstruction efforts withB > >>authority then passing to an interim regime until a democratic government canD > >>be elected or has the US now definitely decided that it will set itself up as# > >>the interim government of Iraq.  > >  > > < > > Why should the UN pay for the damage done by a rogue USA government ? The USAB > > should pay the bill for destroying, then rebuilding Iraq if it	 isists on  > > acting without UN approval.  > > C > > A criminal country is expected to pay for the damages it causes  another 0 > > country. I think it is called "reparations". > > D > > However, I would hope that reconstruction would be done by Iraqi companies toD > > help the local economy rebuild. If the USA government jst brings in US F > > contractors to "deposit" new infrastructure then leave, I think it	 is asking % > > for big trouble in the long term.  > > C > > The interesting question then becomes: what will be the process  whereby the UNB > > will get proof that banned weapons have all been destroyed and trade sanctions @ > > can be lifted against Iraq ? As long as the inspectors don't complete their@ > > work, I don,t think that the UN can be in a position to lift
 sanctions. > > F > > Some overgrown teenagers in military uniforms don't quite have the trainingB > > and expertise to do inspections and determine the purpose of a certain machine F > > (civilian, dual use or military, and if military/dual use, whether	 it can be B > > used to build banned stuff, as well as the nuclear experts who "sniff" the 1 > > terrain for traces of nuclear activities etc.  > E > Once the US takes custody of any WMDs found, what assures that theye will3 > be destroyed?  Will the US submit to inspections?s    F Again, if the US had any hard evidence that Iraq did in fact have WMD,E what's the issue of giving the UN inspectors the intimate details andeD then letting the inspectors 'unearth' the truth?  Blix suspects that5 the UN is not getting the straight goods from the US.   E I suspect that if there is any hard evidence, the US is intentionally @ withholding what it knows from the UN in order to 'reveal to theA world' after they've occupied Iraq the 'smoking guns' that the USe; insisted were there all along, and that the 'irrelevant and D ineffectual' UN couldn't find. And we'll keep the oil fields just to1 make sure there aren't any more WMD hidden there.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:05:04 GMT:# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants G Message-ID: <4G5da.49164$a41.2406@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  Keywords: X-No-Archive: yes   5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message , news:6Qydnfpkb5n1Fe-jXTWcpg@metrocast.net... >T0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageF > news:Ahsca.245609$UXa.129112@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >r > ...e >eC > > But I agree 100% that the media in the US are mostly a bunch ofx sheeppD > > and fail to present the full picture of the scope and importance ofE > > the debate playing out on the international stage. It's almost as:E > > though the press/media doesn't really care if there is or isn't a  1stn > > Amendment any longer.e > E > Being sheep is bad enough, but I start to get actively worried when@ I seeiA > reasonably well-known reporters (e.g., Forrest Sawyer today andc Connie Chung> > yesterday - not, you understand, that I'm holding them up as examples ofvF > *good* reporters) arguing on behalf of the Administration's position when  > their guests don't support it.    B Clearly the Administration, (and one might say the Press) does not believe in the following:v  E In a free society with a government based on reason, it is inevitabletC that there will be no uniform opinion about important issues. ThosesC accustomed to suppression and control by governmental authority seetF this as leading only to chaos. But a government of the people requiresF difference of opinion in order to discover truth and to take advantage2 of the opportunity that only understanding brings.  B "Difference of opinion leads to enquiry, and enquiry to truth; andB that, I am sure, is the ultimate and sincere object of us both. We< both value too much the freedom of opinion sanctioned by ourE Constitution, not to cherish its exercise even where in opposition toI ourselves."R+  --Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815   ? "We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor toH@ tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it."+  --Thomas Jefferson to William Roscoe, 1820a  B "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ9 from me in opinion without imputing to them criminality."t) --Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1804d   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:23:07 GMTo6 From: Jeffrey Coffield <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> Subject: Re: Old is newr4 Message-ID: <3E750502.9080909@digitalsynergyinc.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:c > In article <b520d0$24m2h1$3@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >  >  >>>Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >>>u  >>>>>http://www-124.ibm.com/dlm/ >>>>< >>>>Please don't waste our time by posting undescribed URLs. >>>>8 >>>>Others - It is a distributed lock manager for Linux. >>>n > A >>Not to mention the fact that I owuld expect most people in thise, >>group to know what "DLM" stood for anyway. >  >   > I would expect something like: > F > 	The IBM design for a Linux distributed lock manager seems to be ... >  >    or- > H > 	The long-promised IBM distributed lock manager for Linux now seems... >  >    orn > A > 	IBM has just announced a distributed lock manager for Linux..., > E > In summary: IBM has a web page.  Why does the poster think it is ofs > interest this week?0    G Sorry, I meant to forward this to a friend and accidently posted it to m the newsgroup.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 11:05:03 -0800# From: d.webb@mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)u: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants= Message-ID: <3324320d.0303161105.3a3b022e@posting.google.com>   a Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message news:<874r64d0we.fsf@prep.synonet.com>... / > david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) writes:  > F > > Because the US is a permanent member of the UN and thus has a vetoB > > it is unlikely that the UN would be able to do much about thisG > > through the security council. I'm not sure though what the positionpE > > is on getting a country's leader charged with war crimes (HoweveryH > > just going to war without UN approval is almost certainly not enoughG > > to provoke such a charge).  I'm pretty sure it won't happen but theoC > > image of Bush and Blair being charged with war crimes after all H > > their statements on the morality of their case has a certain appeal. >  > See  > http://www.un.org/law/icc/ > < > In brief, reference from the UNSC, and via petition of theB > Proscecutor of the ICC. Minor detail, there is not one as yet... > C > Also several countries are now adopting `universal juristriction'rB > with no time limits for War Crimes, and Crimes against Humanity.E > See the Pinochet case in the HoL a few years back. Or Sharon in thel@ > Belgian action, though the Be SC ruled that the case could not? > proceed while he was PM, but that he has no soverign imunity.s > I > For a good guide, grab a copy of `Crimes against Humanity', by GeoffreyaG > Robertson QC And it is a good read as well. If you can fine them, hisOG > `Hypothetials' TV series is excellent. "Does Dracula have AIDS?"  wase > one title as I remember.  , Today's Mail On Sunday has a piece entitled   ' "PM faces 'war trial' by Cherie's firm"-  A Apparantly some left wing Labour MPs are planning to employee the F Matrix law chambers (which specialise in human rights causes) in legalC action against the British Government. Anti-war campaigners plan toL use Matrix to force Mr BlairB to answer for his actions to the International Criminal Court. TheC article also says that a senior Matrix Lawyer Rabinder Singh told afA group of Labour MPs last week that there are no legal grounds fort6 going to war with Iraq without a second UN resolution.  F The Prime minister's wife Cherie Blair played a key role in setting upD the chambers 2 years ago and earns an estimated 250,000 a year from Matrix.tC The chamber employs more than 30 of Britan's top barristers and has F rapidly become known as one of the world's leading international human rights law groups.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:47:40 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease TyrantsG Message-ID: <Mp5da.48929$a41.6334@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>a Keywords: 'X-No-Archive: yes  ; "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in messagea7 news:b096a4ee.0303161008.208adc29@posting.google.com...n >vA > It is the Pales. who are taking the unenlightened approach. Them IsraelC > on Pales. violence is done to stop the Pales. on Israel violence.r WhenD > Egypt, who attacked Israel in 1973, demonstrated a true desire forB > peace, Israel gave them back every acre of land they wanted (and theyE > didn't want the Gaza strip). This shows that Israel can forgive. If F > the Pales. had done the same instead of intifada II, I'm sure things. > would have improved instead of deteriorated.  ; Sadat realized what would be best for Egypt and its people,eA politically, and economically, by entering into negotiations withaD Israel and seeing them through to a successful conclusion. Egypt hasC diplomatic relations with Israel, trade, and while the relationshiprE may not be as warm as one might like (mostly due to internal Egyptian./ politics), they aren't shooting at one another.e  " Arafat is clueless by comparision.    D > OTOH, it sure is a difficult place to make peace. On both sides, aF > leader was assasinated for making or attempting to make peace (Sadat
 > and Rabin).n  D > When failed suicide bombers who are injured are captured, they areC > treated like anyone else in Israeli hospitals (at least that's mye' > impression from recent news reports).s  D I saw a documentary on television about a year ago about an arrestedC Palestinian/Lebanese/Jordanian (I can't recall exactly). I think ityE was a BBC documentary. The man had volunteered to be a suicide bomber E and made his desire known to those in Palestinian 'authority'. He wastF given instructions and financial support by the 'authority' (so now we@ have a criminal conspiracy by any definition, rather than just a0 solitary desparate person acting out of 'rage').  B The bomber came into Israel, was met and supplied with explosives,D scouted city neighborhoods and markets looking for a 'good' place toF blow himself up and inflict the maximum number of deaths on civilians.C He kept in contact with his 'backers' via telephone cutouts to telld> them of his location choices and the date. Fortunately for allC concerned, he blew himself up in his hotel room while preparing the- explosives for his attack.  F The bomber was taken to hospital and treated. He's blind, has no legs,F and lost 1 1/2 arms. Naturally he is in prison. He was interviewed forF the program, and now says that what he was attempting to do was wrong,C no matter how he may have felt before. But he isn't going to be let B out of prision because he said that. He'll be released if, as, and$ when his sentence reaches full term.    > > Can the same be said when an  Israeli is captured by Pales.?  D When captured, Israeli's are seldom seen alive again. They are oftenD tortured and then hacked to bits. But some would say, "Oh those poor3 misunderstood Palestinians. They're just outraged."-   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:59:17 -0400i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants/ Message-ID: <3E74F39A.2D554879@vl.videotron.ca>v   John Smith wrote:o= > Sadat realized what would be best for Egypt and its people,,C > politically, and economically, by entering into negotiations withk	 > Israel ?  ! Remind me how Saddat died again ?-  $ > Arafat is clueless by comparision.  N I am not certain about that. My *feeling* is that Arafat knows that if he goesK "all peace all the time", he will lsoe power over the radicals who will noth) only continue, but aldo turn against him.r  H > given instructions and financial support by the 'authority' (so now we  K Ahh, but which authority, or which side of the authority ? Seems that therenL are many factions with the same same. Heck, until recently, Hamas had a bonaN fide, recognized , human help organisation that received donations from around; the world. This same Hamas also has a "terrorist division".       J Consider HP with a clear edict that VMS must not be marketed. What happensN when Sue finds a loophole and manages to place a full page ad about VMS in theM Wall Street Journal ? Will Carly be blamed for that lapse in corporate policyeL ? Or should Sue be punished because she tried to make VMS succesfull despite corporate policy ?  N And what happens if Carly knows that should she fire Sue, Sue will become veryM angry at HP and cause a lot of PR damage, sell the VMS customer list to <HP'si worst ennemy> etc etc ?n  J Or in another context: you have that pizzeria in New York. It gets a visitI from the local "security company" who offer their services to protect thefJ restaurant and warns that there are gangs that could set it on fire of theM restaurant owner doesn't pay for protection. And once you've begun to pay, 20tA minutes after a payment is late, your restaurant is up in flames.a  B I suspect that there is a lot more behing the "Arafat supports theK terrorists". I am not sure that Arafat has 100% control over all the peoplet part of his "authority".   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:16:08 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>m: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease TyrantsF Message-ID: <c_bda.53589$a41.276@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagec) news:3E74F39A.2D554879@vl.videotron.ca...o > John Smith wrote:i? > > Sadat realized what would be best for Egypt and its people,hE > > politically, and economically, by entering into negotiations withh
 > > Israel > # > Remind me how Saddat died again ?o  F At the hands of the same sort of people who want to sabatoge and peaceB between Israel and the Palestinians. But nobody has gunned Mubarak
 down, yet.  A So if it is a case of the peace maker getting gunned down and hisn, successor staying alive, go for it Yasser!!!    & > > Arafat is clueless by comparision. >lE > I am not certain about that. My *feeling* is that Arafat knows that7
 if he goesD > "all peace all the time", he will lsoe power over the radicals who will not+ > only continue, but aldo turn against him.n  ) So continuing to support terrorism is ok?o  < As an aside, take a look who Arafat is nominating as the newE Palestinian Prime Misinter - his own second in command. A man who hasWD 'toe'd the party line' for years. Is this a Cheney/Rumsfeld one-two?F Or does this guy really want peace and is willing to do what it takes?
 We'll see.    C > > given instructions and financial support by the 'authority' (so  now we > B > Ahh, but which authority, or which side of the authority ? Seems
 that thereC > are many factions with the same same. Heck, until recently, Hamas 
 had a bonaD > fide, recognized , human help organisation that received donations from aroundE= > the world. This same Hamas also has a "terrorist division".t  D The Nazi's got donations from *some* (not all) Germans living around) the world. Did that make them benign too?   E Hamas is not the boy scouts under any guise. They handed out coloringrE books for kids that depicts Israeli's and Jews in similar ways as theiD Nazi's did. That's among the more benign things they have done. Some" helpful humanitarian organization.      D > Consider HP with a clear edict that VMS must not be marketed. What happenshE > when Sue finds a loophole and manages to place a full page ad abouto
 VMS in the> > Wall Street Journal ? Will Carly be blamed for that lapse in corporate policyF > ? Or should Sue be punished because she tried to make VMS succesfull despite  > corporate policy ?  E Harry Truman had a sign on his desk that read, "The Buck Stops Here".eC If Carly had any guts at all, she'd offer to resign.  (go Sue, go).y    D > And what happens if Carly knows that should she fire Sue, Sue will become veryvF > angry at HP and cause a lot of PR damage, sell the VMS customer list to <HP's > worst ennemy> etc etc ?   5 What----hand the VMS customer list to the HP Board ofe Directors?!!??!??:    F > Or in another context: you have that pizzeria in New York. It gets a visitT? > from the local "security company" who offer their services toe protect theaE > restaurant and warns that there are gangs that could set it on fire  of theD > restaurant owner doesn't pay for protection. And once you've begun
 to pay, 20C > minutes after a payment is late, your restaurant is up in flames.t   Huh?    D > I suspect that there is a lot more behing the "Arafat supports theF > terrorists". I am not sure that Arafat has 100% control over all the people > part of his "authority".  4 When employees don't like The New HP Way, they quit.? When Arafat's people don't like his way, they wind up dead in ae( gutter. I'd call that effective control.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:26:13 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants. Message-ID: <3E754E5F.7FF9ED6@vl.videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote:n6 > When employees don't like The New HP Way, they quit.A > When Arafat's people don't like his way, they wind up dead in ar* > gutter. I'd call that effective control.  L The other side of the coin might reveal that if Arafat became too "peaceful"" his own people might gun him down.  K I am not sure if Arafat (the person) really has full control and freedom totN act and how much the radicals in his "group" might not actually control things* and force Arafat to thoe THEIR party line.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:47:20 -0500r% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>.7 Subject: OT: Something everyone should ask their DoctorS/ Message-ID: <v7aa9934dfl24f@news.supernews.com>e   Only slightly off topic:  H http://www.comics.com/creators/speedbump/archive/speedbump-20030307.html   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Mar 2003 19:49:37 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: OT: Something everyone should ask their Doctor 3 Message-ID: <1Rer9aSGAZYB@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  W In article <v7aa9934dfl24f@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:h > Only slightly off topic: > J > http://www.comics.com/creators/speedbump/archive/speedbump-20030307.html  # Please don't post uncommented URLs.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:03:59 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ; Subject: Re: OT: Something everyone should ask their Doctor>I Message-ID: <zWada.267272$UXa.69136@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>.  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:1Rer9aSGAZYB@eisner.encompasserve.org...l@ > In article <v7aa9934dfl24f@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes: > > Only slightly off topic: > >e > > F http://www.comics.com/creators/speedbump/archive/speedbump-20030307.ht ml > % > Please don't post uncommented URLs.c  = Some people here go ballistic when somebody posts copyrightedN7 material, so the posting of a URL avoids that reaction.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:38:51 GMT># From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)s) Subject: Re: Scan Disks for media errors? 0 Message-ID: <%yada.382$ci1.240@news.cpqcorp.net>  k In article <tomnews-1495BB.16351214032003@news.comcast.giganews.com>, Tom Rymes <tomnews@rymes.net> writes: B :Our VAX runs VMS 5.5-2, which, IIRC, has a 9 GB Disk size limit.   G   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ.  (There are multiple limits in this area,aH   and the FAQ goes into detail around the OpenVMS limits and the console   bootstrap limits, etc.)e  G :Of course, the smallest new disk drive available is 9.2GB or so. That nF :leaves me with used/"refurbished" drives that are somewhat of a crap  :shoot. Here are my questions:  B   Or an upgrade or a more recent OpenVMS VAX release.  OpenVMS VAX;   V5.5-2 shipped in 1992, after all.  V7.3 shipped in 2001.m  J :1.) Is there a way to buy a brand new 9.2GB drive or larger and fake VMS J :into thinking it is only 8GB or so? Thus I can have the reliability of a ; :new drive, but VMS won't complain about it being too big. h  G   Only via a RAID or RAID-like controller.  Or sometimes by programminggH   the disk to be smaller -- some SCSI disks support a mechanism by whichF   the drive can be (re)configured to report a particular (and smaller)   capacity to the host.c  F :2.) Is there a command I can issue to scan a drive for media errors, H :etc.? I ask b/c if I buy a used drive, I want to be certain that it is D :free of errors before placing my data on it (for obvious reasons).   E   OpenVMS write operations will revector bad blocks automatically, upe/   to the limit of the spare blocks on the disk.s  O :This summer we purchased two 4.3GB used drives and both installed and mounted rG :up just fine. However, one failed when we copied the data across from  J :the disk that it was supposed to replace. I would like a way to discover + :any defects before I copy anything across.l  E   "failed" is a rather generic description of the problem.  I've seenaG   failures from SCSI bus problems, termination problems, disk problems,wF   cooling problems, and even the ARRE/ARWE stuff discussed in the FAQ.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:21:27 -0600n: From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@knology.n-o--s-p-a-m.net>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?/ Message-ID: <v7ac9crvtn4q4e@corp.supernews.com>n  ) On 3/16/2003 1:05 AM, Michael Rice wrote:t* > On 3/15/2003 1:12 PM, PRSTSC::DTL wrote: > A >> I have an intranet behind a Router and an ADSL link to my ISP.a4 >> When I try to "exit" from my PWS via mail, I get: >>D >> From:   SMTP%"TCPIP$SMTP@dtl02.nerim.net" 13-MAR-2003 21:27:09.30! >> To:     system@dtl02.nerim.nett >> CC: >> Subj:   Returned mail >>. >> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:27:08 +0100 (MET)/ >> Message-Id: <03031321270855@dtl02.nerim.net>o# >> From: TCPIP$SMTP@dtl02.nerim.netg >> To: system@dtl02.nerim.netd >> Subject: Returned mailu >> >>* >> ---- Transcript of session follows ---- >>< >> 553  %TCPIP-E-SMTP_COMMANDERR, SMTP command error free.fr >># >> ---- Unsent message follows ----- >>. >> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:27:06 +0100 (MET)/ >> Message-Id: <03031321270657@dtl02.nerim.net>l >> From: system@dtl02.nerim.netv >> To: DIDIER.MORANDI@free.frs >> Subject: test( >> X-VMS-To: SMTP%didier.morandi@free.fr >> >> >>) >> Is it a bind resovler problem or what?t >>
 >> Thanks. >> >> D.d >> > I > I have the same problem when trying to send to knology.net.  However, I G > didn't have problems sending e-mail to some other domains (all .com).u@ > Coincidentally, my alternate relay is set to smtp.knology.net. > 	 > Michaelw >   I I believe this has something to do with the way the VMS Mail is working. nF   Using Mozilla Mail & News, I don't have any problems sending to any  domains.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:16:04 GMT61 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>m( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?2 Message-ID: <3E753C71.E56F9E98@firstdbasource.com>   PRSTSC::DTL wrote: > @ > I have an intranet behind a Router and an ADSL link to my ISP.3 > When I try to "exit" from my PWS via mail, I get:  > C > From:   SMTP%"TCPIP$SMTP@dtl02.nerim.net" 13-MAR-2003 21:27:09.30i  > To:     system@dtl02.nerim.net > CC:i > Subj:   Returned mailr > - > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:27:08 +0100 (MET) . > Message-Id: <03031321270855@dtl02.nerim.net>" > From: TCPIP$SMTP@dtl02.nerim.net > To: system@dtl02.nerim.net > Subject: Returned mail > ) > ---- Transcript of session follows ----  > ; > 553  %TCPIP-E-SMTP_COMMANDERR, SMTP command error free.fra > " > ---- Unsent message follows ---- > - > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:27:06 +0100 (MET)C. > Message-Id: <03031321270657@dtl02.nerim.net> > From: system@dtl02.nerim.net > To: DIDIER.MORANDI@free.fr > Subject: testd' > X-VMS-To: SMTP%didier.morandi@free.fr  > ( > Is it a bind resovler problem or what? > 	 > Thanks.  >  > D.    D If your IP address is a dynamic address, it is very likely that mostH companies will reject it because the domain name of your system does not; match the reverse address lookup domain.  My ISP requires aaG u/p@ispdoimain.net to be able to authenticate before relaying the mail.tB I have not gone to the trouble of figuring out how to set up an MX- record or gateway that would fix this issue. m   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:22:02 +0000r< From: Ben Hutchings <ben-public-nospam@decadentplace.org.uk> Subject: Re: unix.M Message-ID: <slrnb7a59a.cf.ben-public-nospam@zzumbouk.i.decadentplace.org.uk>   6 [Followup-To ignored because I don't read comp.os.vms]  5 In article <b514rr$24c1a4$3@ID-99522.news.dfncis.de>,m Roland Hutchinson wrote: > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:n > = >> I go for 1600x1200 or better and turn up the point size to  >> something readable :) > H > An excellent strategy until you have to print from a WYSIWYG program.  > J > Better to tell the OS that your screen has got some gynormous number of % > pixels to the inch -- if you can.  o  A With a modern PC, your graphics card will ask the monitor for itsnE physical dimensions (through a protocol called DDC) and your graphicsuC system software will calculate the screen resolution based on these D and the selected pixel dimensions.  Well, XFree86 does that, anyway.   -- eH Ben Hutchings  |  personal web site: http://womble.decadentplace.org.uk/: If at first you don't succeed, you're doing about average.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:19:57 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: up2000 + up10006 Message-ID: <b52ipi$253fnt$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  F "peter.watkinson1@ ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)" <nospam> schreef in9 bericht news:3e74b6d0.22614328@news.cable.ntlworld.com...p# > On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:23:17 GMT,b@ > peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson) wrote: >c > >n > >  > >Hi there, > > G > >Does Open VMS or Tru64 unix run on the UP2000 or UP1000 motherboardsh% > >or were they NT/Linux boards only?e > >sH > >They appear on ebay and they are somewhat cheaper than the equivalent' > >Compaq systems i.e DS20, DS20e DS10.  > >tH > >I believe Open VMS runs on the 264DP motherboard but these are rarer. > >i@ > >There is another board a UP2000+ not too sure about that one. > >o > >Thanks for any info.s > > 
 > >cheers, > >I > >r >n > found this answer on hp.come >s >t0 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_3360.html >r >r >o >t > Peter Watkinson ' > peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.comt > remove <nospam> to reply :-)   Peterd  L do not despair. The so called white box Alpha's were sold as NT only systemsK and did not support VMS either. With a few modest software changes (add twooK lines to a file called nvram) and modifying one boot parameter I found that-J a Digital Server 3000 as well as a Digital Server 5000 model 5305 will run VMS quite nicely.f   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:49:35 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz $ Subject: Re: VAX Shared SCSI anyone?% Message-ID: <3e751abe.863574194@news>p  2 On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:51:31 GMT, "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> wrote:   Missed this article earlier.C We actually had one of the Ultra-SCSI cards in VAX4000-705 and thene% MSCP Served the disks to some Alphas.   C Our Tape Devices were served by Alphas and during backups and othera: periods of heavy loads we experienced crashes on the VAX.   D Engineering (Compaq at the time) indicated that the problems were inE the MSCP Serving of the PKDriver. We got rid of the card and reverteda0 to HSD / DSSI Served disks. The crashes stopped.  = >Damn engineers are always taking the fun out of things.  :-)w >oJ >I didn't say *I* was actually going to try it yet, just looking to see if  >*anyone else* had tried it yet. >sF >Theoretically, at least, everything you learned after that "extensiveM >engineering work" could have been applied to the VAX flavor of VMS by now if G >it had been important to someone.  Considering that Compaq adopted theeJ >Nemonix UltraSCSI controller (KZCCA-xx) and advertised how great that wasM >for shops that were married to the VAX, one might think Compaq would realizefM >how great it'd be for VAX/Alpha cluster shops to share drives over their new 0 >found UltraSCSI bus (and old SE SCSI, as well). >nK >I suspect whatever changes were made to the Alpha DK/EK/PK/whatever drivertD >could be ported relatively easily to the VAX DK/DU/whatever driver.H >Particularly since there's so much similar (I'd think) work in the DSSIF >sharing logic which is incorporated into both the VAX and Alpha VMS'.K >Certainly, anything that was done above the driver level to support sharedtL >SCSI on Alpha should be fairly easy to back-port to VAX/VMS.  (And what was  >that about a single code base?) >tL >Will OpenVMS/Itanium support shared SCSI in clusters?  How difficult was it( >to include that in the Itanium drivers? >m1 >"Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in messaged* >news:Oteba.166$rf3.71@news.cpqcorp.net...I >> In article <Zhbba.101194$gf7.22162767@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, "Frank ( >Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> writes:F >> :Has anyone attempted to share SCSI devices between a VAX and Alpha >system? >> ..eM >> :Would that behave correctly, and would the lock manager figure it out, or  >isa >> :it just asking for trouble?R >>% >>   I vote for "asking for trouble".  >>K >>   We performed extensive engineering work around the addition of supporth* >>   for multi-host SCSI on OpenVMS Alpha. >>F >>   As I expect you know, this configuration -- VAX and Alpha systemsE >>   on the same SCSI bus, sharing disk accesses -- is not supported.e >>D >>   As I also expect you know, "not supported" means "we don't have9 >>   to explain why", and reasons can and do vary widely.c >>G >>   If you feel inclined to try this, please make sure you have a good C >>   BACKUP/IMAGE of all of your disks before you proceed with thisn >>   particular experiment.k >> >>) >>  ---------------------------- #includeB( ><rtfaq.h> -----------------------------M >>       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.como- >>  --------------------------- pure personal $ >opinion ---------------------------H >>         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com >> >  >r   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.149 ************************have light-hearted news so you don't alienate B views from leaving the tv tuned to their network for the 'AmericanA Gladiator' or 'Bubbleheads on a Tropical Island' or the 'Greed is : Good' game show program that immediately follows the news.   ------------------------meidx.hcq >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev50/ghostscript/gs-6_01/src/inameidx.h (3683 bytes) started.y: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  3485 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,16,72) <<< RETR inames.hdo >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev50/ghostscript/gs-6_01/src/inames.h (4875 bytes) started.8: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  4341 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,16,73) <<< RETR inamestr.hcq >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev50/ghostscript/gs-6_01/src/inamestr.h (4131 bytes) started.8: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  4061 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,16,74) <<< RETR inobtokn.cdq >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev50/ghostscript/gs-6_01/src/inobtokn.c (1864 bytes) started.y: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1208 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,16,75) <<< RETR inouparm.ccq >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev50/ghostscript/gs-6_01/src/inouparm.c (1931 bytes) started.y: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1141 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,16,76) <<< RETR instcopydo >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev50/ghostscript/gs-6_01/src/instcopy (1026 bytes) started.8: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1022 (8) bytes transferred.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,16,77) <<< RETR int.mako >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev50/ghostscript/gs-6_01/src/int.mak (67680 bytes) started.1; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  67488 (8) bytes transferred.s
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,16,79) <<< RETR interp.c$p >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev50/ghostscript/gs-6_01/src/interp.c (52698 bytes) st