1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 19 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 153       Contents:* Re: Alpha Station 200 4/233 Memory Upgrade Re: Another missed opportunity6 Re: Anyone use a Compaq 20/40 dlt tape drive in a vax?6 Re: Anyone use a Compaq 20/40 dlt tape drive in a vax?P Re: BASEstar (was: Re: OpenVMS at CeBIT 2003 - more  info on hp OpenVMS Industry Re: Carly's feedback link  Re: Carly's feedback link  Re: Carly's feedback link  Re: ddachter@nmh.org0 Re: DECserver 90M with GS80/160/320 SMC Question& Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg! from Oracle RDB release of V7.0.7 % Re: from Oracle RDB release of V7.0.7  Hobby program - note from Dave" Re: Hobby program - note from Dave( Re: HP does operating system advertising( Re: HP does operating system advertising# Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!  Installing a second TL891 DLT  Installing a second TL891 DLT . Re: Is http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/ down?7 Re: Issue building Perl after applying VMS73_ACRTL V3.0 ' Re: Layered Products for open VMS 7.2-1  Market price for a used 4100  Re: Market price for a used 4100  Re: Market price for a used 4100 Re: memory channel* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet? & Re: Simulating LAT protocol on Windows& Re: Simulating LAT protocol on Windows? Re: Somebody didn't get the message?  HP shows it doesn't care.   Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.  Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.  Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.& Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU value& Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU value& Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU value Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix- [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ? 1 Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ? D [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:14:19 -0800 - From: dundas@caltech.edu (John A. Dundas III) 3 Subject: Re: Alpha Station 200 4/233 Memory Upgrade < Message-ID: <dundas-1803031214190001@dundas-mac.caltech.edu>  G OK, I'll bite.  I have one of these.  What sort of memory should I look  for to take it to 768MB or 1GB?    John   --   John A. Dundas III2 Director, Information Technology Services, Caltech+ Mail Code: 014-81, Pasadena, CA  91125-8100 A Phone: 626.395.3392 FAX: 626.449.6973 <mailto:dundas@caltech.edu>    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:26:02 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: Another missed opportunity J Message-ID: <epKda.171313$em1.121650@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  @ "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk> wrote in message* news:b56vm9$edh$1@sparta.btinternet.com... > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD > news:e3lda.58010$a41.25659@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... > > 5 > > "Michael Unger" <unger@decus.de> wrote in message ) > > news:00A1CF3E.24B411D3.35@decus.de... 9 > > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  > > > 
 > > > > [...]  > > > > ? > > > > Coming back to the air traffic control system, was this  upgrade  > > (well I D > > > > wouldn't consider a move to NT an "upgrade") prompted by the > > mid-air collision E > > > > last year ? If the media started to point fingers are the ATC  > > system usingD > > > > antiquated equipment, I can see the pressure to upgrade, and in
 > > such aD > > > > context, they woudl be forced to buy something which "LOOKS" > > modern.  > > > > F > > > > At least they should have gone to Sun. Somehow, NT isn't up to > > snuff when it B > > > > comes to real time, life critical systems. Announcinmg you will > > trust a toy A > > > > operating system to control air traffic with thousands of  lives  > > depending on( > > > > some wintel box is pretty scary. > > > C > > > I would consider a "_hard_ real-time" operating system (OS-9,  > > VxWorks,A > > > ..) more appropriate than any Unix-based system. Winwoes of  course> > > > tends to play with the hour-glass when it should perform	 important  > > actions. > >  > >  > > Or in the old days VMSeln  > >  > >  > E > John surely meant o say VAXELN. I'm not personally aware of any ATC F > applications of VAXELN but there may be some. VAXELN to my knowledge has F > been used for things like airport lighting control, luggage routing, etc. > D > I'm not so sure Sun would be the obvious choice, even after recent changes B > in CPQ/HP. European air traffic control in Belgium (Eurocontrol) used to run F > on a collection of Tru64 boxes and had done so since the days of the DEC 4 > 3000 and DEC OSF/1.  There is a brief reference atE > http://www.hp.be/egov/en/references/index.asp?todo=all but the link  is dead.B > I can't find a Google-cached copy, but another marginally longer
 writeup ofE > the same project can be found from Barco (they did the graphics h/w  and some > display s/w) at ; www.barco.com/corporate/en/pressreleases/show.asp?index=753 / > I do not know what the system currently runs.  > F > I believe some of the newer local trains here in England use Windows for @ > supervision of non-critical stuff like signs, door management, airconE > management, etc. Of course Windows does fail occasionally, and when  thatF > happens the train has to stop while the "management system" reboots; various F > well-intentioned design interlocks mean it cannot be rebooted unless the C > train is out of service, and obviously a delay of several minutes  for a C > Windows reboot leads to trains running late. We have many excuses  for lateF > trains in this country; slow Windows reboots is not one you'll hear, but it > is applicable. > D > It has also been alleged that at least one multi-fatality UK train disasterA > might have been less serious if a safety system had used a real  embedded OS C > instead of windows. There have been instances where ATP (Advanced  Train D > Protection?) could have prevented or lessened a collision, and ATP was E > available on the train and the route but not in use because (again)  itF > needed the train to be out of service to start up the ATP system (ie while B > Windows reboots), and any in-service failure of ATP introduces a high= > probability of late running, which can result in commercial  penalties onA > train operators. I have not been able to personally verify this  information,+ > but it has a certain air of plausibility.  > E > There are proper PC-compatible RT kernels around, but they probably  aren'tB > programmable by kiddies writing in Visual Basic. QNX and VxWorks
 might have > been obvious ones to look at.     A Running ATC on Windows is rather like running a Biohazard Level 4 - containment lab on Windows - not a good idea.   A "The Ebola is escaping and we can't close the airlock because the  server is rebooting."    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:33:15 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> ? Subject: Re: Anyone use a Compaq 20/40 dlt tape drive in a vax? $ Message-ID: <3e777477$1@news.si.com>  L >I have another drive, a DLT2000 (effectively a TZ87), that I'd like to use.F >I daisy-chained it from the DLT4000 and it, too, showed up as a TZ01.L >However, neither would work reliably.  I'd get fatal controller errors and,I >once the DLT2000 hung and trying to reset the HSD caused a system crash. I >I'm pretty sure the DLT2000 is a working device, since it was on another  >platform and working correctly   F Well, I found a second DLT2000 identical to the first that seems to beJ causing problems.  I replaced the one DLT2000 with the other and even whenI daisy-chained from the DLT4000, performed an image backup of an RZ28 with F nary a problem.  It would appear that the original DLT2000 was faulty.  K Now my question is: can I use CompactTape IIIs in the DLT4000, so that both I drives use the same media, or do I have to use a III in the DLT2000 and a  CompactTape IV in the DLT4000? --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:05:42 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>? Subject: Re: Anyone use a Compaq 20/40 dlt tape drive in a vax? 4 Message-ID: <1030318200403.943A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ) On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Brian Tillman wrote:   M > Now my question is: can I use CompactTape IIIs in the DLT4000, so that both K > drives use the same media, or do I have to use a III in the DLT2000 and a   > CompactTape IV in the DLT4000?  = I have a DLT4000 on a Sun that is perfectly happy with III's.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:56:39 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) Y Subject: Re: BASEstar (was: Re: OpenVMS at CeBIT 2003 - more  info on hp OpenVMS Industry 5 Message-ID: <93428BFBFwarrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>   & hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in& <erqda.427$Fk1.150@news.cpqcorp.net>:   4 >In article <1DYAHLk8CAMa@eisner.encompasserve.org>,1 >Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  ? >:In article <3a65a5c8.0303170442.6dbcde87@posting.google.com>, 5 >:keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) writes:  - >:> BaseStar is has the following homepage... C >:> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/software/solutions/basestar/  > F >:I have seen the name BaseStar for years, but never knew any details.2 >:Is it more prominent in Europe than in the USA ? > B >  BASEstar is prevalent in customer markets involved with machine >  control and automation.   > F >  Outside of the target markets, you'd seldom hear of these packages,I >  and the associated products and protocols.  (DECss7 is another example A >  of this situation, though from a completely different market.)  > I >  And given the business cycle of many of these manufacturing customers, G >  you can find some interesting mixes of the very old and the very new G >  at these sites -- once the factory is (re)built and the controllers  I >  and the lines are installed, the computer systems and the PLCs tend to + >  run with minimal changes for many years.   K I can concur - BaseStar is used by an aluminum company in southern Ontario  J (Canada) for factory automation.  It's been there since 1990 (and perhaps J earlier), and I believe it's still there today.  Like Hoff said, once the H low and mid-range automation systems are installed, heavy manufacturing * companies expect 10-20 years life of them.   ws     >  >  > 1 > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h>   > ----------------------------- 4 >      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- >      www.openvms.compaq.com 3 > --------------------------- pure personal opinion  > --------------------------- F >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com >  >    --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  + ** What's brown and sticky?    A stick.  **    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 04:05:50 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Carly's feedback link- Message-ID: <87llzcqw2p.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  A > In article <b4kd9e$o13$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "John Wallace" ) > <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk> wrote:   D > >Then you or I may be misinformed. At least one major UK corporateE > >customer allegedly bought (or was planning to buy) a big GS-series  > >box to run SAP on NT.   > Very sad, if true.  D Well, a VERY old DEC customer here had a problem. They needed to useF Oracle Finacials ( :( ) for some key functions. But no orible for VMS.F Wait, there is/isn't/is... but anyway, no Financials. So good bye VMS,C sort of. Alpha/NT is the way of the future. You re-install it every F second weekend, reload orible and life is, well, if not good, at least/ breathing till the next fortnightly head job...   D So good bye to ALL of the DEC stuff. They are still running the lastB few remnants. Sad thing is, they have a perfect case for a cluster for student access.   C At the other end of the very old net link, a large Alpha Cluster is D being swept out by a E10K. They did get a VERY good price on the 10KA though. Oh, and near all their admin is now on billyshit, and the % library sytems are now on unix boxen.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 03:57:30 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Carly's feedback link- Message-ID: <87ptooqwgl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   2 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  B > > > > second commercial spots.  IMO that would be money not wellE > > > > spent.  I can't imagine someone watching some reality show of E > > > > late and actually perking/waking up when VMS was mentioned in 8 > > > > any context.  And I don't remember ever seeing a3 > > > > MVS/HP-UX/Solaris/whatever type commercial.   ? > Buzzt. Sun had a TV commercials in prime time that were quite ? > elaborate (star wars style of ads, probably quite expensive).   C > HP needs to tell the world that its product lineup is far greater D > now. In 30 seconds, it could provide a full list of its enterprise > OS products.  D Two Alphaserver GSs standing intact in the dust cloud covering lower Manhaten for instance?    , "When you positivly really have to be there"  ; Plus you should get a huge load of free air time as well :)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 03:53:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" Subject: Re: Carly's feedback link- Message-ID: <87u1e0qwmk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) writes:   E > Well JF, I have had a chance to speak to both Carly and to Scott. I E > found both of them to be very reasonable and approachable.  I think > > this is just an education process since they had very little& > exposure to VMS prior to the merger.  9 Let me repeat a little story I was told MANY years ago...   D One fine day, on of the HP valley salek somehow manged to do ana endE run around all the HP rules, and give a prospect a tour of HP Labs as E part of the sales pitch. It woked overly well, at the end he asked if 7 the customer was impressed, and if he would buy HP tin.   > "No, I'm getting those 780 things you people have everywhere."   :)  D I think there was the usual bloodletting, nashing of teeth and mercy for the wounded as a result.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:51:32 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: ddachter@nmh.org ' Message-ID: <3E77DB34.D4124FBF@fsi.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3E7694D2.56AD569D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > G > > Of course, if you look at the cup as half-full, you now know how to G > > reach me during the work day if you have a question you think I can  > > maybe answer...  > D > The other theory is that it is better to bother people only during7 > the hours when they choose to receive such questions.   C At work, receiving is an automated function, as long as LookOut! is & open. Responding is entirely elective.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:15:15 -0800 < From: Rick Millhollin <rickm.remove-this@oregon.uoregon.edu>9 Subject: Re: DECserver 90M with GS80/160/320 SMC Question 8 Message-ID: <l3hf7v8ip8hjg9nt76plcuk9hparnnrm52@4ax.com>  % Thanks Alan and Hans for the replies!   1 Rick Millhollin, Director of Computing Facilities @ University of Oregon Computing Center, Eugene, Oregon 97403-12120 Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-6438 or 4397C E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (remove anti-spam digits)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:02:18 GMT " From: Steve Young <steve@well.com>/ Subject: Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg < Message-ID: <eZRda.252559$na.14197864@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>     Hello all,  H   I'm trying to make use of sys$putmsg from within a .c program of mine.F I have no problem compiling my .MSG file with MESSAGE to an .obj file,K however I have no idea how I can determine what numerical code was assigned 1 to my error message during compilation for use.     I   Here's a little bit of example code to show you what I'm talking about:    #include <stdio.h> #include <starlet.h>   struct msgvec_blk {          short int count;         short int options;         int msg_code;  } msg = { 1, 15, 0 };    main() {(         sys$putmsg(&msg, NULL, NULL, 0); }   J   Now, how can I set msg.msg_code to the numerical value that was assignedM to MSG_WHATEVER? In my case it is assigning the startup message of my program F a value of 0x08018019, which I gleaned from the .LIS file that MESSAGEI generated.  But how can I use this in my program without hardcoding a lot < of hexadecimal numbers that could easily change at any time?  	   Thanks,    Steve.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2003 13:07:43 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) * Subject: from Oracle RDB release of V7.0.7= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303181307.37218c92@posting.google.com>   D I like RDB, they are an excellent group of engineers that love VMS.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue      ; ___________________________________________________________ = We are pleased to announce the release of Oracle Rdb Release  >     7.0.7 (aka V7.0-7).  The kit is available on Metalink and (     internally on the Oracle network at:     /     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS70.RDBV707KIT_AMV]      B     RDBV707KIT_AMV.ZIP;1   120970/120995   18-MAR-2003 10:34:59.44  /     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS70.RDBV707KIT_VMV]   F     RDBV707KIT_VMV.ZIP;1    66531/66535    18-MAR-2003 10:43:21.07      .     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS70.RDBV707KIT_AS]  B     RDBV707KIT_AS.ZIP;1    119917/119945   18-MAR-2003 10:49:15.42  .     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS70.RDBV707KIT_VS]  B     RDBV707KIT_VS.ZIP;1     65886/65905    18-MAR-2003 11:00:57.67    5     Software Errors Fixed in Oracle Rdb Release 7.0.7 5     -------------------------------------------------      7     Software Errors Fixed That Apply to All Interfaces  9       - Execution Trace For Dynamic Estimation Inaccurate 7       - Dynamic Optimizer Index Estimation May Be Wrong A       - Stack Overflow Exception Replaced by %RDMS-E-NOSOL_FOUND           SignalB       - DBR Does Not Write Valid TSN for Commit of 2PC TransactionB       - Various Problems With Dynamic Estimation of Ranked Indices@       - ROLLBACK Not Appended to AIJ for Failed 2PC Transactions8       - Insert Statement Fails With Constraint Violation?       - Followup on Bug 2529598 From Oracle Rdb Release 7.0.6.5 E       - Ranked Index Node Corruption After Insert of Duplicate Record @       - Another OR With Constant Predicate Returns Wrong ResultsA       - Ranked Index Node Corruption After Deletion of Duplicate           Record6       - RDB-E-ARITH_EXCEPT Error on a SELECT StatementE       - DBR Process Bugchecks in DBR$DO_C_AIJBUF During Node-failure           RecoveryF       - 2PC Transaction Rolled Back If Transaction Manager UnavailableC       - Bugcheck When Multiple Tables are Transitively Joined With           IS NULL Filter0       - Process Can Hang After SYS$FORCEX IssuedC       - Query Using IN Clause With 16 Filter Predicates Runs Slowly >       - SHOW DATABASE May Not Display Snapshot File AttributesA       - Outer ORDER BY Clause Ignored in Favor of Inner ORDER BY           ClauseF       - Left Outer Join Query Applying Zigzag Match Strategy Bugchecks>       - Poor Performance From Bulk Loads After Release 7.0.6.2@       - GROUP BY Query With Match Strategy Returns Wrong Results*       - SORT Consumes All Available Memory<       - RDMRLE Image Not Always Supplied During Installation     SQL Errors Fixed4       - Unexpected DEFVALINC When Using ALTER DOMAIN9       - Unexpected Trailing Character in SMALLINT Display .       - DECLARE TRANSACTION Causes Memory Leak+       - SET LINE LENGTH Changed Upper Limit E       - Unexpected CONVERT_ERROR Exception When Querying Partitioned  
         Index .       - Unexpected Error from GRANT and REVOKE=       - Incorrect Cardinalities Calculated by CREATE DATABASE      RDO and RDML Errors Fixed ?       - RDO SHOW FIELD Would Bugcheck on SQL Created Definition      Oracle RMU Errors Fixed 6       - Unexpected BLRINV Error When Using RMU/EXTRACT4       - RMU BACKUP/AFTER_JOURNAL Creates Empty FilesB       - RMU/RECOVER/AREA Increments the Active AIJ Sequence Number0       - RMU Extract /ITEM=TABLE Generates ACCVIO>       - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL /CONTINUOUS Leaves AIJ Open/       - RMU/LOAD/FIELDS With Empty Options File 4       - BTRLEACAR Warning Raised by RMU/VERIFY/INDEX6       - RMU Extract of Trigger Fails With BLRINV Error=       - AIJ Backup File May Not Allow Recovery of a Restored           DatabaseC       - RMU Extract Could Generate a Bugcheck When Extracting Views 8       - RMU/RESTORE Bugchecks at LCK$STALL_FOR_ENQ + CC0A       - May Not be Able to Apply Next AIJ After Doing RMU/RECOVER %         /RESOLVE/STATE Multiple Times @       - RMU/EXTRACT/ITEM=DATABASE May Not Display Snapshot File          Attributes4       - BADPTLAREA Errors After RMU/REPAIR/INIT=FREED       - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL Indicated Record Length IncorrectD       - RMU Parallel Backup New Style Tape Density Not Set Correctly@       - Some RMU Parallel Backup Parameters Were Incorrectly Set     Row Cache Errors Fixed       - Record Cache VM Problem      Hot Standby Errors Fixed?       - Changes to RMU/REPLICATE AFTER START /BUFFERS Qualifier @       - Standby Database Missing Updates If Master Not Manually          Opened  5     Enhancements Provided in Oracle Rdb Release 7.0.7 5     ------------------------------------------------- -       - Scan Intrusion Security Now Supported        - Index Estimation       Ginger Vollmar Rdb Engineering    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:45:52 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>. Subject: Re: from Oracle RDB release of V7.0.7@ Message-ID: <20030318214552.46825.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>   I love RDB too !    A The problem is there aren't RDB courses in Brazil anymore ... :-(    Regards    FC  6 --- Sue Skonetski <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote:F > I like RDB, they are an excellent group of engineers that love VMS.  >  > Warm Regards,  > Sue  >     = > ___________________________________________________________ ? > We are pleased to announce the release of Oracle Rdb Release  @ >     7.0.7 (aka V7.0-7).  The kit is available on Metalink and * >     internally on the Oracle network at: >     1 >     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS70.RDBV707KIT_AMV]  >     D >     RDBV707KIT_AMV.ZIP;1   120970/120995   18-MAR-2003 10:34:59.44 > 1 >     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS70.RDBV707KIT_VMV]  > H >     RDBV707KIT_VMV.ZIP;1    66531/66535    18-MAR-2003 10:43:21.07     > 0 >     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS70.RDBV707KIT_AS] > D >     RDBV707KIT_AS.ZIP;1    119917/119945   18-MAR-2003 10:49:15.42 > 0 >     NOVA""::RDB_KITS:[RDBKITS70.RDBV707KIT_VS] > D >     RDBV707KIT_VS.ZIP;1     65886/65905    18-MAR-2003 11:00:57.67 >  > 7 >     Software Errors Fixed in Oracle Rdb Release 7.0.7 7 >     -------------------------------------------------  >     9 >     Software Errors Fixed That Apply to All Interfaces  ; >       - Execution Trace For Dynamic Estimation Inaccurate 9 >       - Dynamic Optimizer Index Estimation May Be Wrong C >       - Stack Overflow Exception Replaced by %RDMS-E-NOSOL_FOUND   >         SignalD >       - DBR Does Not Write Valid TSN for Commit of 2PC TransactionD >       - Various Problems With Dynamic Estimation of Ranked IndicesB >       - ROLLBACK Not Appended to AIJ for Failed 2PC Transactions: >       - Insert Statement Fails With Constraint ViolationA >       - Followup on Bug 2529598 From Oracle Rdb Release 7.0.6.5 G >       - Ranked Index Node Corruption After Insert of Duplicate Record B >       - Another OR With Constant Predicate Returns Wrong ResultsC >       - Ranked Index Node Corruption After Deletion of Duplicate   >         Record8 >       - RDB-E-ARITH_EXCEPT Error on a SELECT StatementG >       - DBR Process Bugchecks in DBR$DO_C_AIJBUF During Node-failure   >         RecoveryH >       - 2PC Transaction Rolled Back If Transaction Manager UnavailableE >       - Bugcheck When Multiple Tables are Transitively Joined With   >         IS NULL Filter2 >       - Process Can Hang After SYS$FORCEX IssuedE >       - Query Using IN Clause With 16 Filter Predicates Runs Slowly @ >       - SHOW DATABASE May Not Display Snapshot File AttributesC >       - Outer ORDER BY Clause Ignored in Favor of Inner ORDER BY   >         ClauseH >       - Left Outer Join Query Applying Zigzag Match Strategy Bugchecks@ >       - Poor Performance From Bulk Loads After Release 7.0.6.2B >       - GROUP BY Query With Match Strategy Returns Wrong Results, >       - SORT Consumes All Available Memory> >       - RDMRLE Image Not Always Supplied During Installation >     SQL Errors Fixed6 >       - Unexpected DEFVALINC When Using ALTER DOMAIN; >       - Unexpected Trailing Character in SMALLINT Display 0 >       - DECLARE TRANSACTION Causes Memory Leak- >       - SET LINE LENGTH Changed Upper Limit G >       - Unexpected CONVERT_ERROR Exception When Querying Partitioned   >         Index 0 >       - Unexpected Error from GRANT and REVOKE? >       - Incorrect Cardinalities Calculated by CREATE DATABASE  >     RDO and RDML Errors Fixed A >       - RDO SHOW FIELD Would Bugcheck on SQL Created Definition  >     Oracle RMU Errors Fixed 8 >       - Unexpected BLRINV Error When Using RMU/EXTRACT6 >       - RMU BACKUP/AFTER_JOURNAL Creates Empty FilesD >       - RMU/RECOVER/AREA Increments the Active AIJ Sequence Number2 >       - RMU Extract /ITEM=TABLE Generates ACCVIO@ >       - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL /CONTINUOUS Leaves AIJ Open1 >       - RMU/LOAD/FIELDS With Empty Options File 6 >       - BTRLEACAR Warning Raised by RMU/VERIFY/INDEX8 >       - RMU Extract of Trigger Fails With BLRINV Error? >       - AIJ Backup File May Not Allow Recovery of a Restored   >         DatabaseE >       - RMU Extract Could Generate a Bugcheck When Extracting Views : >       - RMU/RESTORE Bugchecks at LCK$STALL_FOR_ENQ + CC0C >       - May Not be Able to Apply Next AIJ After Doing RMU/RECOVER ' >         /RESOLVE/STATE Multiple Times B >       - RMU/EXTRACT/ITEM=DATABASE May Not Display Snapshot File  >         Attributes6 >       - BADPTLAREA Errors After RMU/REPAIR/INIT=FREEF >       - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL Indicated Record Length IncorrectF >       - RMU Parallel Backup New Style Tape Density Not Set CorrectlyB >       - Some RMU Parallel Backup Parameters Were Incorrectly Set >     Row Cache Errors Fixed! >       - Record Cache VM Problem  >     Hot Standby Errors FixedA >       - Changes to RMU/REPLICATE AFTER START /BUFFERS Qualifier B >       - Standby Database Missing Updates If Master Not Manually  >         Opened > 7 >     Enhancements Provided in Oracle Rdb Release 7.0.7 7 >     ------------------------------------------------- / >       - Scan Intrusion Security Now Supported  >       - Index Estimation     >  > Ginger Vollmar > Rdb Engineering      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?F Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2003 15:28:10 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) ' Subject: Hobby program - note from Dave = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303181528.43e0f6a4@posting.google.com>   B I've also mailed "baby peanut" to ask what the problem was (MondayE morning) and I have yet to identify a response from them.  If I don't C get anything by tomorrow, I'll post something in comp.os.vms asking  clarification.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:05:17 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: Hobby program - note from Dave ' Message-ID: <3E77DE6D.9D7E1E4C@fsi.net>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > D > I've also mailed "baby peanut" to ask what the problem was (MondayG > morning) and I have yet to identify a response from them.  If I don't E > get anything by tomorrow, I'll post something in comp.os.vms asking  > clarification.   Thanx, Sue!    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:53:31 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: HP does operating system advertising 3 Message-ID: <vzMda.35959$8L1.403323@news.chello.at>   o In article <blGda.170075$em1.86436@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: G >Each double-page ad in my paper costs in the vicinity of $150,000 each  >time it is run.F >In this series of ads, HP mentioned 3 specific o/s'es by name, two of >which they don't own.  G ...which could mean they don't have to pay 100% for the ads themselves. H Remember INTEL paid up to 93% for foreign ads with the INTEL logo on it.  4 That said, I/we still want/need/request HP VMS ads !   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:07:05 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: HP does operating system advertising I Message-ID: <dMMda.172082$em1.88732@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message - news:vzMda.35959$8L1.403323@news.chello.at...  > In articleD <blGda.170075$em1.86436@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: D > >Each double-page ad in my paper costs in the vicinity of $150,000 each > >time it is run.E > >In this series of ads, HP mentioned 3 specific o/s'es by name, two  of > >which they don't own. > = > ...which could mean they don't have to pay 100% for the ads  themselves. F > Remember INTEL paid up to 93% for foreign ads with the INTEL logo on it.  > 6 > That said, I/we still want/need/request HP VMS ads !    3 Which company pays HP to mention Linux prominently?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:24:49 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!/ Message-ID: <3E77645F.B45D164B@vl.videotron.ca>t   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > I'm not exactly clear on what you are asking here.  A bootable VMS disk for0G > IPF will have the EFI utilities on it.  CDROM or magnetic media.  TheeM > install CDROM/DVD for VMS will have them on it.  It will be a standard partn > of any bootable media.   Ok, different slant:  K I am young enough that I never had to personally deal with "console media",rD but I have seen it mentioned often in the vms installation procedureL documentation. Seemed that having "console media" added to the procedures to upgrade a system.a  F Are the stored EFI utilities going to be totally transparent to systemK managers (just a file on the system disk they never have to touch), or willSH there be occasions where a new EFI "file" will need to be installed on aI system disk separately ? Would there be occasions where one would need touN upgrade the EFI program on the system drive prior to executing a VMS upgrade ?  J Will the EFI programs vary from system to system or will they be the exactM same from a workstation (if HP ever decides to sell IA64 workstations runningaJ VMS) all the way to whatever systems are capable of running "galaxy" style" clusters ? (wildfire successors) ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:04:16 -0700i$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>& Subject: Installing a second TL891 DLT) Message-ID: <3E780860.C0F6EF7A@cha.ab.ca>o  = I have a TL891 35/70 GB DLT dual-pathed to a pair of HSJ40's.oA The DLT, with a 10-tape jukebox, is installed on the last (sixth)e; available SCSI channel to the HSJ40's.  I would like to addwA another tape system to this (realizing that there may be problemse= if both tape drives are performing concurrently).  Has anyonen= successfully implemented any of the following configurations?A  %     - Replace the TL891 with a TL890.V9     - Add a second TL891 to use the same 10-tape jukebox.t8     - Daisy-chain the second DLT891 system to the first.     -- Leen  5 L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.ca  Capital Health Authority Information Systems, RAH CSC Edmonton, Alberta, CANADAc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:04:43 -0700-$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>& Subject: Installing a second TL891 DLT( Message-ID: <3E78087B.FF2F854@cha.ab.ca>  = I have a TL891 35/70 GB DLT dual-pathed to a pair of HSJ40's.2A The DLT, with a 10-tape jukebox, is installed on the last (sixth)h; available SCSI channel to the HSJ40's.  I would like to add6A another tape system to this (realizing that there may be problemst= if both tape drives are performing concurrently).  Has anyoneC= successfully implemented any of the following configurations?u  %     - Replace the TL891 with a TL890.-9     - Add a second TL891 to use the same 10-tape jukebox.J8     - Daisy-chain the second DLT891 system to the first.     -- Lee   5 L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.cac Capital Health Authority Information Systems, RAH CSC Edmonton, Alberta, CANADAe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:46:34 -0600s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>97 Subject: Re: Is http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/ down?a' Message-ID: <3E77DA0A.CE55F838@fsi.net>g   Roy Omond wrote: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > > [...snip...] > >mD > > In particular, Baby Peanut may be thwarted forever by an onerousF > > Montagar/DECUS/Encompass/HP/Carly Fiorina/ meaningless bureacratic > > requirement. > >lD > > I have never tried to get a hobbyist license, but I bet the form* > > has a few unanswerable questions like: > >t > >         Name:  > ? > I don't understand why people are assuming that "Baby Peanut"eA > is *not* his/her real name :-)  I thought that would be quite ae > common name in the USofA ...  G Only in cartoons... (well, and Hollywood, Harlem, ... hey wait a minute  - you may be right!).T   -- u David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2003 15:18:11 -0800: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)@ Subject: Re: Issue building Perl after applying VMS73_ACRTL V3.0= Message-ID: <7f15589f.0303181518.53f491b7@posting.google.com>.   craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry) wrote in message news:<7f15589f.0303171947.2aae9de9@posting.google.com>...i  = > > >Link /NoTrace/NoMap /Shareable=[--.LIB.AUTO.IO]PL_IO.EXE . > > >IO.opt/Option,[--]perlshr_attr.opt/Option6 > > >%LINK-W-MULDEF, symbol DECC$POLL multiply definedF > > >        in module DECC$SHR file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$SHR.EXE;1I > > >%MMK-F-ERRUPD, error status %X10648268 occurred when updating targeto > > >%[--.LIB.AUTO.IO]PL_IO.EXE   ) >  There is something slightly wrong withB! > Perl, which will soon be fixed.   D As promised, this issue has been resolved, and Doc confirms that theF fix works for him.  The patch has been checked into the sources and is available here:f  K <http://public.activestate.com/cgi-bin/perlbrowse?patch=19023&action=patch>h  = In the absence of a poll.h, we continue to use the home-grownoC replacement but have renamed it to avoid the conflict.  When poll.h C does become available, the configuration should detect that and usen( the system-supplied poll() if available.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:54:08 -0600g2 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>0 Subject: Re: Layered Products for open VMS 7.2-1/ Message-ID: <v7f8tgc03to738@corp.supernews.com>o  > "Negrita" <negrita.news.invalid@web2news.net> wrote in message news:19821N964@web2news.com...I > Can anyone tell me where I can find all the layered products on OpenVmse/ > 7.2-1. any help would be greatly appreciated.y > --6 > Direct access to this group with http://web2news.com" > http://web2news.com/?comp.os.vms  L Are you looking for a list of the applications compatible with OpenVMS 7.2-1K or are you looking for a media kit? If you are looking for a media kit, youl should specify Alpha or VAX.  I Also, there are licensing issues with selling media kits. As I understandaJ the license, if you are a commercial user, you must have a license for theD VERSION you are installing or be under software maintenance with HP.J Software maintenance is offered for the OS and the Layered Products as two separate items.n  L Only hobbyists can use media kits indiscriminately - borrow from each other,H buy from Montgar, etc. I say this because of what is said on the MontgarE hobbyist site. If I am incorrect, someone from HP please feel free to K instruct me as to the proper usage of media kits. This is something I wouldi7 like to know in detail, from the point of the hobbyist.i   Stuart Johnson   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2003 11:05:42 -0800% From: "Gary Haney" <ghaney@utmck.edu>V% Subject: Market price for a used 4100e' Message-ID: <3e776e06@nntp.xusenet.com>u   Hi.T  K I've got a 4100 Alpha w/ 8Gb of RAM and 4 700Mhz cpus and am wondering whatnF the market value is for this?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.   Thanks in advance, GwhvC ---------------------------POST VIA-------------------------------- L news://nntp.xusenet.com                      http://www.xusenet.com         C ===================================================================v   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2003 14:11:53 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: Market price for a used 4100a3 Message-ID: <8mK$ePtdhFMB@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  O In article <3e776e06@nntp.xusenet.com>, "Gary Haney" <ghaney@utmck.edu> writes:d  M > I've got a 4100 Alpha w/ 8Gb of RAM and 4 700Mhz cpus and am wondering what H > the market value is for this?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  3 Watching the prices on eBay would be one technique.i  D When I buy machines from eBay, I am willing to pay more for the ones" that offer a VMS license transfer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:24:57 GMTp+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>T) Subject: Re: Market price for a used 4100 2 Message-ID: <BA9D2309.628A%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  F On 3/18/03 12:11 PM, in article 8mK$ePtdhFMB@eisner.encompasserve.org,0 "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:  I > In article <3e776e06@nntp.xusenet.com>, "Gary Haney" <ghaney@utmck.edu>r	 > writes:r > N >> I've got a 4100 Alpha w/ 8Gb of RAM and 4 700Mhz cpus and am wondering whatI >> the market value is for this?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.e > 5 > Watching the prices on eBay would be one technique.- > F > When I buy machines from eBay, I am willing to pay more for the ones$ > that offer a VMS license transfer.J Another idea would be to call a used computer reseller of Compaq equipment= and ask for a budgetary quotation. Like Great Lakes Computersy (www.glcomp.com).    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 05:03:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: memory channelV- Message-ID: <87bs08qte3.fsf@prep.synonet.com>h  % "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:   F > And if we add these two ES4Xs to a cluster with two other ES40s (all> > running VMS 7.2-1 now, but soon to be upgraded to VMS 7.3-1)   @ > Would it make more sense to connect them via two Gbit ethernetC > devices on separate networks (for redundancy), or to connect themsF > with one Gbit ethernet, and one memory channel (by way of a mc hub).  C If you can find 8 DE504s, you could put one on each bus of the ESs, A then use cross overs to run two fully connected pt-pt meshes. TheS8 4th port can be used for redundent other net conections.  ? Might be problematic is you have ES40 mod Is though, eating twooE slots. But you will have no contention and it *should* run like scat!o   -- .< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.,@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:21:21 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease TyrantsrJ Message-ID: <RkKda.171283$em1.145402@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> Keywords: X-No-Archive: yeso  F "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3e773c1b$1@news.si.com...D > >Again, if the US had any hard evidence that Iraq did in fact have WMD,D > >what's the issue of giving the UN inspectors the intimate details andaB > >then letting the inspectors 'unearth' the truth?  Blix suspects that8 > >the UN is not getting the straight goods from the US. >(C > My local paper on Sunday revealed that some of the documents thato	 the WhitecE > House is using to "prove" that Iraq has a "nookyooler" program are,a in fact,' > forgeries.  My question is "by whom?".  * You only found out about this on Sunday???E The world press has been filled with this for over a week...more likeF> 10 days. If your local paper is typical of most regional/localD newspapers, no wonder most Americans are ill-informed about the real facts of what's going on.   B As to the source of the forgeries, conventional wisdom might be toA look at the e-mail/telephone transcripts of communication between ; Cheney/Rumsfeld et. al., and the CIA. But who really knows.y  A As it is said, the truth is the first casualty of war. And if one2D looks back at the manpower/materiel preparations that are now coming? to light, this war was put in motion by the Bush AdministrationsE beginning about 9 months ago - before the matter was rekindled at the  UN.a    F I just caution all those who believe that the US is correct in the useA of the new Bush doctrine of preemptively attacking any country it.F deems a threat or 'competitor' to think about what has been unleashed.B Many other countries will be looking at this and thinking, "What's@ good for the goose is good for the gander". Wait until India andE Pakistan start popping nukes at one another, just cuz. And China withu. whomever they want. And North Korea. And Iran.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2003 15:41:05 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrantst3 Message-ID: <9YAJgwwygGXg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <WbPT8KjBLp+J@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > H >    I have family in Texas.  They are glad to be rid of him (OBTW, they0 >    are in be means liberal in their politics).  5    Oops, that's supposed to say "by no means liberal"h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:46:40 -0500y; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> : Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants$ Message-ID: <3e77779d$1@news.si.com>  J >What race are the jewish people who have been in the region for thousands ofH >years ? They would either be arabs or egyptians if those are different. >CL >If "arab" isn't a race per say, consider that in the USA, the airport folks doL >discriminate against arab looking passengers, so they must have sufficently >distinctive traits.  H "Race" in humans is a strictly social construct.  There is no biologicalJ evidence of "race" in Homo Sapiens Sapiens.  Race is, in biological terms,* subspecies.  There is no human subspecies. -- oI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot como5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.S@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991/8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:42:30 +0000 (UTC),+ From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) ( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?+ Message-ID: <b57pam$mre$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>p  w In article <01KTOHGQRL409H1MPS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:rK >> What makes me "die out laughing", is "X-VMS-True-From: system@nerim.net" # >> A particular notion of Truth :-)e >iF >The normal assumption is that only trusted users can tamper with the F >domain name.  In fact, I think TCPIP$SMTP_FROM was so long in coming H >since in some sense it allowed spoofing.  The X-VMS-True-From: I think G >is to include the "real" sender.  However, it will pick up the domain l >from "trusted" information.  O Why invent a new header for this purpose. Most mail programs which can validate-N who has sent the mail (eg from the account logged into on a multi-user system) use either the R   Sender   or  	 X-Sender s   headers for this purpose.s    < Indeed RFC 822 section 4.4.2 SENDER / RESENT-SENDER  states   < "This field contains the authenticated identity of the AGENT3 (person, system or process) that sends the message.b ...dG In particular, the "sender" field MUST be present if it is NOT the sameh as the "From" Field. "e    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:51:16 -0400g0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?/ Message-ID: <3E77789B.316C9908@vl.videotron.ca>h   David Webb wrote:hQ > Why invent a new header for this purpose. Most mail programs which can validate0P > who has sent the mail (eg from the account logged into on a multi-user system) > use either the  L RCC822 is used only by mail clients. It is not used by SMTP which sees it asL essentially part of the message text (with the exception of additions to theA RFC822 headeres as the messages passes through each SMTP server).u  L SMTP uses the information provided bty the MAIL FROM and RCPT TO commands toL deliver messages. This is how you could have 100 RCPT TO commands and in theL To: field of the RFC822 header, have just "My friends" and the message still# gets delivered to those 100 people.h    M Note that some microsoft server software can parse the RFC822 header to route3M mail, which , I have seen will cause infite loops of messages being sent over5M and over again because the Exchange server takes messages it has received viacL POP and sends them out to the internet again to all people listed in the To:M of the RFC822 which causes a second copy to be sent to people who already got.G it, and more importantly, another copy sent to the POP mailbox that theiM exchange server picks up again and does the same thing (until someone noticesi/ a limit on the Received: headers and stops it).i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:00:36 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?/ Message-ID: <3E7788D6.762BDAC6@vl.videotron.ca>-   Didier Morandi wrote:a/ > send buf=RCPT TO:<DIDIER.MORANDI@free.fr>\d\ac > recv buf=250 ok\d\ao > send buf=DATA\d\aR > recv buf=354 go ahead\d\a0: > send buf=Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:21:34 +0100 (MET)\d\a5 > send buf=Message-Id: <03031818213398@nerim.net>\d\asJ > send buf=From: Didier.Morandi@free.fr (Alpha System Manager account)\d\a) > send buf=To: DIDIER.MORANDI@free.fr\d\a2" > send buf=Subject: test alpha\d\a4 > send buf=X-VMS-To: SMTP%didier.morandi@free.fr\d\aB > send buf=X-VMS-True-From: system@nerim.net (Alpha System Manager > account)\d\a  N Sorry to be blunt, but perhaps Mr Morandi could provide some information aboutL nerim.net to which he sees associated. The offensive message made against meN and distributed to multiple newsgroups originated from a nerim.net address and sent via dizum.com..  N When investigating the spam, the domain nerim.net popped up as the oner of theM ip address which apparently originated the spam, and since nerim.net had beenoF mentioned today here in the above message, I couldn't help but wonder.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:13:29 GMTc+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) ( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?: Message-ID: <tKNda.39375$fa.1688540@twister.austin.rr.com>  1 JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca) wrote:  : K : Sorry to be blunt, but perhaps Mr Morandi could provide some information MJ : about nerim.net to which he sees associated. The offensive message made F : against me and distributed to multiple newsgroups originated from a + : nerim.net address and sent via dizum.com.r : J : When investigating the spam, the domain nerim.net popped up as the oner N : of the ip address which apparently originated the spam, and since nerim.net J : had been mentioned today here in the above message, I couldn't help but 	 : wonder.f :   G The domain contact information can be obtained via the 'whois' functiont
 at this site:       http://www.dnsstuff.com/e    DNS Stuff    2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email_   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 04:39:37 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: Simulating LAT protocol on Windowso- Message-ID: <87fzpkquie.fsf@prep.synonet.com>D  + Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:    > Danny wrote:  B > > I want to know if it is possibe to write a Windows applicationD > > which will be able to receive data in the LAT protocol (i.e. actD > > as a LAT server), and if so, what interface / API can be used to > > do this.  6 > I don't use VTstar any more, but IIRC it can do LAT.  ' > Getting hold of it is another matter.   < Is LAT still included with Pathworks? I used to use LAT with8 Kermit on DOS and lozedoze 3.xx and NT systems long ago.   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:15:35 GMTs- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>t/ Subject: Re: Simulating LAT protocol on Windows : Message-ID: <rhRda.1846$He.258603@news1.news.adelphia.net>   Paul Repacholi wrote:   > > Is LAT still included with Pathworks? I used to use LAT with: > Kermit on DOS and lozedoze 3.xx and NT systems long ago.  C It is included in the Pathworks32 product.  The URLs were recently   posted on this forum.o   -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only_   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:51:15 -0000_- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)yH Subject: Re: Somebody didn't get the message?  HP shows it doesn't care.5 Message-ID: <934289337warrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>J  3 jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca (JF Mezei) wrote ina% <3E773522.2EBFACEC@vl.videotron.ca>:     >Bob Koehler wrote:iI >>    But right now I'd like to see them running DECwindows mail as is on  >>    IPF.   >rI >No, fixing up and sprucing up MAIL to be more complete and more internet G >savyy should be a priority well above that unwanted port to IA64 whicheI >can wait. Nobody is using VMS on IA64 and won't be for a few years. Lots25 >of people are hindered by VMSmail's limitations NOW.o  K The vast majority of people have already fled to more fully-featured email tL clients on the desktop.  I doubt they'd return unless a re-jiggered OpenVMS K significantly exceeded the capabilities of their existing setup.  Inertia, S
 and all...   ws   --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)N The Associated Press  + ** What's brown and sticky?    A stick.  **W   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:34:19 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.E3 Message-ID: <vhMda.35607$8L1.398949@news.chello.at>n  u In article <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CAE6A@tahiti.tinuk.com>, "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> writes:MN >Is there anything like SYS_CHECK which you have with Tru64 which runs on VMS?  E If we'd know what SYS_CHECK is, we could recommend something suitable 2 (like: please check SYSGEN parameter SYSTEM_CHECK)   -- e Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERD% Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:24:40 -0500a$ From: Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com>) Subject: Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS. . Message-ID: <3E77E2F8.AC9CB5E7@eps.zk.dec.com>  a sys_check for tru64 is a fairly comprehensive data gathering script which gatheres mostly generaliw system information (cpu, memory, disks, filesystems, sysgen params, users, processes, locks,...) ad also knows a littlery about oracle and major apps to gather it's critical settings. It allows support to ask for  a single (albeit large) file,cx as the output of running a single script (for half an hour) to gather just about all there is to knwo about a system. Sow in vms terms it would be a combination of SYSGEN SHOW/ALL, SHOW MEMO/ALL, SHOW DEV/ALL, SHOW SYS,  SHOW ACC /SINCE=YES,Sx INSTALL LIST/GLO, LICENS LIST,... or whatever the exact spelling of the commands might me. Actually, the point is prettyy much that you do not need the exact spelling of all the info listing commands, just run the script, it knows. It may, notSw it _will_, grab too much, bnut ghopefully the andswers for teh first two or three rounds of questions are all in there.-   hth,	     Hein.a    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  w > In article <91947A84607D9D48B8E674A5FAB54DA63CAE6A@tahiti.tinuk.com>, "Steve Spires" <Steve.Spires@torex.com> writes:.P > >Is there anything like SYS_CHECK which you have with Tru64 which runs on VMS? >DG > If we'd know what SYS_CHECK is, we could recommend something suitablek4 > (like: please check SYSGEN parameter SYSTEM_CHECK) >y > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERs' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:41:13 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com ) Subject: Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS. 1 Message-ID: <03031822411321@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>T  L >> sys_check for tru64 is a fairly comprehensive data gathering script whichO >> gatheres mostly general system information (cpu, memory, disks, filesystems,TI >> sysgen params, users, processes, locks,...) ad also knows a little ...:    G I believe WEBES offers a bit of this and that and may be usable in some1! respects to what you described.     I I also wrote up a number of DCL procedures to do the same... fetching CPU;C speed, count, VMS versions, software versions, LP versions, variousEL configuration settings, etc.  This was not difficult to acheive, just createL small modules (one for each type of item) and them group them together.  TheO collected data was dumped into (1) a CSV file - that got kind of "way to large" L and (2) a summary sheet for each node the data was collected.  I used DECnetM objects (and toyed with RSH) to collect data from both cluster and standalones nodes.  L Any time I added a new LP or added new hardware or other such thing, I wouldN run the procedure and have an updated output.  I thought about automating this+ on each reboot or weekly/monthly type deal.e  B If you wanted, you could probably incorporate ECP to collect other not-easy-to-get items also..    L The next time I do this, it will be put into a HTML format for my Apache web server.  Oh joy!... sort of...     John Brandon VMS Systems Administratork Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:47:54 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU valueB. Message-ID: <3E775BBB.EE5F9C1@vl.videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:T > H > TCPIP SHOW [CONFIG] INTERFACE shows an MTU value.  How does one change > this?a  P This can only be done on a "live" system (not in its config),. as far as I know.   $ifconfig -a  + will show your interfaces with current MTU.t   $ifconfig se0 ipmtu 1450  K will change it on the live system for the specified interface (in the above 
 example se0:)t  ; $ifconfig -h for more help on the arameters you can change.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:48:02 +0100 (MET)y9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>C/ Subject: Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU valuea; Message-ID: <01KTOM0AZUCU9H1MPS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>F  J > > TCPIP SHOW [CONFIG] INTERFACE shows an MTU value.  How does one change	 > > this?n > J > This can only be done on a "live" system (not in its config),. as far as
 > I know.    OK.I   > $ifconfig -a > - > will show your interfaces with current MTU.c >  > $ifconfig se0 ipmtu 1450 > G > will change it on the live system for the specified interface (in the  > above example se0:)  > = > $ifconfig -h for more help on the arameters you can change.   . Are there "native VMS commands" for the above?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:42:04 GMTB1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>A/ Subject: Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU value 2 Message-ID: <3E77BB27.308ED97A@firstdbasource.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:r > L > > > TCPIP SHOW [CONFIG] INTERFACE shows an MTU value.  How does one change > > > this?p > > L > > This can only be done on a "live" system (not in its config),. as far as > > I know./ >  > OK.X >  > > $ifconfig -a > >T/ > > will show your interfaces with current MTU.k > >l > > $ifconfig se0 ipmtu 1450 > >rI > > will change it on the live system for the specified interface (in theh > > above example se0:)  > > ? > > $ifconfig -h for more help on the arameters you can change.o > 0 > Are there "native VMS commands" for the above?  + ALPHA1>$ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands  ALPHA1>$ ifconfig -hH $1$dra0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ifconfig.exe;1: illegal option -- hL& usage: ifconfig -a [-d] [-u] [-v] [af]&        ifconfig -l [-d] [-u] [-v] [af]#        ifconfig [-v] interface [af] B        ifconfig interface [ [ip6interfaceid <id>] ipv6 | -ipv6 ] | <parameters>  
 parameters :=pG                 [ [ [af] [ip6prefix] address[/bitmask ] [ dest_addr ] ]  [ up ] [  down ] [ netmask mask ] ]*                 [ [af] broadcast address ]@                 [ inet alias address[/bitmask | netmask mask ] ]'                 [ inet -alias address ]lG                 [ inet aliaslist address-list[/bitmask | netmask mask ]s ].0                 [ inet -aliaslist address-list ]                 [ inet abort ]+                 [ [af] delete [ address ] ]e$                 [ [inet] ipmtu mtu ]$                 [ inet6 ip6mtu mtu ].                 [ inet6 ip6retranstimer rxmt ]5                 [ inet6 ip6reachabletime reach_time ]i*                 [ inet6 ip6hoplimit hops ]/                 [ inet6 ip6dadtries dad_tries ]_                 [ metric n ](                 [ trailers | -trailers ]&                 [ promisc | -promisc ](                 [ allmulti | -allmulti ]$                 [ filter | -filter ]                 [ arp | -arp ]                 [ speed value ]H(                 [ physaddr mac-address ])                 [ -physaddr mac-address ]g"                 [ trustgrp group ](                 [ add [interface-list] ]                 [ switch ]+                 [ remove [interface-list] ] '                 [ nrtimers value-list ]h0                 [ autofail [value] | -autofail ]"                 [ debug | -debug ]     -- a Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:27:57 -0700s% From: lars@bearnip.com (Lars Duening)p Subject: Re: unix 5 Message-ID: <1fs0dn0.1vw6d8yq435m8N%lars@bearnip.com>h  & Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote:  J > In alt.folklore.computers Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote: > > G > > I honestly think those "flash" developers use 640 x 480 resolution,A > I > I don't care what they use. "Skip Intro" and/or "Add to Block List" are-8 > your friends when encountering unwanted Flash content.  < Except of course when the whole site  is one big flash file.   I'm not joking.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:08:24 +0100 , From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net> Subject: Re: unixr7 Message-ID: <20030318210824.0dcd5a18.steveo@eircom.net>   " On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:52:37 +08005 Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:s  G BF> I honestly think those "flash" developers use 640 x 480 resolution, E BF> or have screens with 1mm dot-pitch. A hi-res screen with < 0.25mmd  ? 	I have seen how it happens. The developer usually has a prettytG powerful machine with a dirty great monitor attached that they are usedsD to doing artwork on. The job comes in to lay out the "look and feel"D for a site and part of the spec says "Must be viewable on an 800x600F screen". So they turn the resolution down to 800x600 and start writingA HTML and fiddling with CSS until it looks right in their Interneto
 Exploiter.  H BF> dot pitch and sized to suit, results in three-point print size; half4 BF> the size of the classified ads in the newspaper.  ; 	Yep, the intended resolution of the monitor used to lay iteB out is probably 1600x1200 and dear old Windows sets up the bitmaps accordingly.  G BF> The best solution is to let the webmasters know that you can't reads, BF> what the hell they do. And go elsewhere.  A 	These people are incapable of thought. Even when I explained theIF problem and showed them the consequences all I got was "Oh yeah that'sF pretty bad, but it's what the spec said to do and marketing signed offH on it so it must be OK.". I think the only way to make them get it rightF would be to give them an ancient 800x600 laptop with a ten inch screenH a P60 and Mosaic. If they can use the site on that the rest of us should be OK :)   -- -D C:>WIN                                      |     Directable MirrorsJ The computer obeys and wins.                |A Better Way To Focus The SunH You lose and Bill collects.                 |  licenses available - see:F                                             |   http://www.sohara.org/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:20:46 +0800O4 From: Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: unix 3 Message-ID: <u5k85b.qmh.ln@innovative.iinet.net.au>e  . Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net> writes:  # >On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:52:37 +0800h6 >Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:  H >BF> I honestly think those "flash" developers use 640 x 480 resolution,F >BF> or have screens with 1mm dot-pitch. A hi-res screen with < 0.25mm  @ >	I have seen how it happens. The developer usually has a prettyH >powerful machine with a dirty great monitor attached that they are usedE >to doing artwork on. The job comes in to lay out the "look and feel"tE >for a site and part of the spec says "Must be viewable on an 800x600 G >screen". So they turn the resolution down to 800x600 and start writingaB >HTML and fiddling with CSS until it looks right in their Internet >Exploiter.t  I >BF> dot pitch and sized to suit, results in three-point print size; halfn5 >BF> the size of the classified ads in the newspaper.   < >	Yep, the intended resolution of the monitor used to lay itC >out is probably 1600x1200 and dear old Windows sets up the bitmapsi
 >accordingly.   H >BF> The best solution is to let the webmasters know that you can't read- >BF> what the hell they do. And go elsewhere.1  B >	These people are incapable of thought. Even when I explained theG >problem and showed them the consequences all I got was "Oh yeah that's G >pretty bad, but it's what the spec said to do and marketing signed offgI >on it so it must be OK.". I think the only way to make them get it rightlG >would be to give them an ancient 800x600 laptop with a ten inch screentI >a P60 and Mosaic. If they can use the site on that the rest of us shouldt	 >be OK :)a  ( You forgot about the 2400 bps modem. :-) -- dB /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia4 \ /  ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus!;  X   against HTML mail     | Copy me into your ~/.signaturec/ / \  and postings          | to help me spread!1   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:57:51 GMT:6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ?3 Message-ID: <PvNda.36850$8L1.414502@news.chello.at>u  H I installed MOZILLA M1.3 yesterday and unfortunately my problem with theH "shareable image mismatch" with the JAVA V1.4 OJI Plugin didn't go away.  E 3 weeks ago, Colin let me believe, that M1.3 would fix it, by writingH  G    If you are using Java 1.4-0-1, please wait for Mozilla 1.3 final as  @    there are some issues with Mozilla 1.2 and early 1.3 versions  < This is unfortunately not the case here. Why ? I don't know./ Maybe Colin was a little bit too optimistic ;-)   M Summary: if you want to use MOZILLA with JAVA plugin, better use JAVA V1.3-15o. Or does anyone have other/better experiences ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER-% Network and OpenVMS system specialist0 E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:19:41 GMT:/ From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>.: Subject: Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ?7 Message-ID: <xIOda.73928$_7.65554@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   J I was getting the "shareable image mismatch" errors after installing  JAVAJ V1.4.0.  I took another look at the Java releases notes for the plugin and  made sure I had done everything:  L http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/documentation/1.4.0/ovms/jre/release_notes.ht ml#usingplugin  L It's working now with Mozilla V1.3.  I suspect the problem was that I hadn't> updated the java*_setup.com command procedure in my login.com.  H I did notice that there were two LIBJAVAPLUGIN_OJI.SO images in the JavaL distribution.  The notes said to use the one in the [.NS600] directory.  Not sure if that made a difference.    -Jeff-  C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message.- news:PvNda.36850$8L1.414502@news.chello.at... J > I installed MOZILLA M1.3 yesterday and unfortunately my problem with theJ > "shareable image mismatch" with the JAVA V1.4 OJI Plugin didn't go away. >oG > 3 weeks ago, Colin let me believe, that M1.3 would fix it, by writinga >dH >    If you are using Java 1.4-0-1, please wait for Mozilla 1.3 final asB >    there are some issues with Mozilla 1.2 and early 1.3 versions > > > This is unfortunately not the case here. Why ? I don't know.1 > Maybe Colin was a little bit too optimistic ;-)R >EG > Summary: if you want to use MOZILLA with JAVA plugin, better use JAVAr V1.3-15 0 > Or does anyone have other/better experiences ? >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:47:43 GMTb6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)M Subject: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?d3 Message-ID: <P6Pda.37876$8L1.424356@news.chello.at>   ; You might know the $ SHOW DEVICE/MULTIPATH from your Alpha.y; How does anyone get the same infos with lexical functions ?-  ? With SHOW DEVICE/MULTIPATH you get infos on how many paths yourn@ (disk) devices has, and how many many of them are active ("3/3")) and finally the name of the current path.3@ A SHOW DEVICE/FULL does even give you the name of all the paths.  G With lexical functions I so far only found the name of the current pathe& with "MPDEV_CURRENT_PATH" in F$GETDVI.  M Is there any other item/argument/function I could use to gather the same infoaM or am I really forced to wait some years and in the meantime use SHOW.EXE ands# temporary files or pipes to do it ?    Many TIA   -- i Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERa% Network and OpenVMS system specialista E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:28:40 GMTi/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) Q Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?i- Message-ID: <q4SnvEbSga9A@cuebid.zko.dec.com>s  8 peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:A > With SHOW DEVICE/MULTIPATH you get infos on how many paths yourIB > (disk) devices has, and how many many of them are active ("3/3")+ > and finally the name of the current path.rB > A SHOW DEVICE/FULL does even give you the name of all the paths. > I > With lexical functions I so far only found the name of the current patht( > with "MPDEV_CURRENT_PATH" in F$GETDVI. > O > Is there any other item/argument/function I could use to gather the same infojO > or am I really forced to wait some years and in the meantime use SHOW.EXE andi% > temporary files or pipes to do it ?A  E Sorry; you've found all the $getdvi support for multipath that exists  now.  I Since it's likely I'll be the one to implement whatever multipath-related-M info is returned by $getdvi, let me know what you'd like to see.  No promises   about when it'll appear, though.   -- o  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:14:34 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>RQ Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?g' Message-ID: <3E77EEAA.CE5397DD@fsi.net>o   Rob Brooks wrote:n > : > peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:C > > With SHOW DEVICE/MULTIPATH you get infos on how many paths yourhD > > (disk) devices has, and how many many of them are active ("3/3")- > > and finally the name of the current path.cD > > A SHOW DEVICE/FULL does even give you the name of all the paths. > >cK > > With lexical functions I so far only found the name of the current path:* > > with "MPDEV_CURRENT_PATH" in F$GETDVI. > >nQ > > Is there any other item/argument/function I could use to gather the same info9Q > > or am I really forced to wait some years and in the meantime use SHOW.EXE ande' > > temporary files or pipes to do it ?a > G > Sorry; you've found all the $getdvi support for multipath that existsh > now. > K > Since it's likely I'll be the one to implement whatever multipath-relatedsO > info is returned by $getdvi, let me know what you'd like to see.  No promiseso" > about when it'll appear, though.  B I think it's safe to assume that anything appearing in SHOW DEVICE1 should be available by both F$GETDVI and $GETDVI.h   -- r David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/k   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:30:01 GMT-/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)aQ Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?b- Message-ID: <b+qYoTNUzmcd@cuebid.zko.dec.com>i  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:S > Rob Brooks wrote: H >> Sorry; you've found all the $getdvi support for multipath that exists >> now.) >>  L >> Since it's likely I'll be the one to implement whatever multipath-relatedP >> info is returned by $getdvi, let me know what you'd like to see.  No promises# >> about when it'll appear, though.  > D > I think it's safe to assume that anything appearing in SHOW DEVICE3 > should be available by both F$GETDVI and $GETDVI.e  D Yes, well, it isn't always that simple.  SHOW goes about its work inK a much different way than $getdvi, making it hard for $getdvi to completelylM track SHOW.  Because $getdvi is an API, we're forced to be a bit more carefulaD in how we rummage through data structures.  A classic example is theN cluster-wide mount count.  As you know, $getdvi provides the number of times aK volume is mounted locally (yes, a volume can be mounted more than once on a G node -- check out the /SHARE qualifier).  That SHOW and $getdvi display A different values has been an issue since day 1 of clustering.    -  O I had an implementation of dvi$_mountcnt_cluster that seemed to work correctly.c  I However, upon code review, we found some potential problems that probablyaO would never have happened in the real world.  The only way around the potential K problem was to modify $getlki to add a new item code -- lki$_locks_nonull. eD That is, an item code that is identical to lki$_locks, but would notH return any null locks.  Now we're looking a cluster compatibility issuesF (this would need to be on the VAX as well).  What was thought to be a G relatively simple task mushroomed into something that, at the time, wassF too involved.  There were other more important things to work on, likeH multipath failover to the served path.  However, I really do want to getK the clusterwide mount count nonsense fixed by the time the next VAX releasesK is out (I have no idea when that will be -- it certainly is not this year).a  I So, this is a long-winded responsed to say that yes, I agree that $getdvipM should return everything that SHOW does, but it may take some time, with somee' items being more difficult than others.a   -- n  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comk   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.153 ************************