1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 19 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 154       Contents:0 %SYSTEM-F-BUGCHECK, internal consistency failure6 Re: Anyone use a Compaq 20/40 dlt tape drive in a vax?) Brian Schenkenberger - Where are you????? - Re: Brian Schenkenberger - Where are you????? 6 Re: Editor wars - Was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ?- Re: environment variables lost on AlphaPC 164 * Re: Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg* Re: Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg* Re: Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg9 Re: Help using SYS$CRELNM and SYS$TRNLNM for > 128 values $ How to check products install in VAX( Re: How to check products install in VAX( Re: How to check products install in VAX( Re: How to check products install in VAX( Re: How to check products install in VAX6 Re: How to connect Vaxstation 4000 VLC to LCD monitor?! Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT ! Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT ! Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT ! Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT ! Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT ! RE: Installing a second TL891 DLT ! RE: Installing a second TL891 DLT 7 Re: Issue building Perl after applying VMS73_ACRTL V3.0 7 Re: Issue building Perl after applying VMS73_ACRTL V3.0 7 Re: Issue building Perl after applying VMS73_ACRTL V3.0 * Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants* Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants$ Re: new releases of MySQL and Python$ Re: new releases of MySQL and Python Nice update! Re: Nice update!I Re: OpenVMS at CeBIT 2003 - more  info on hp OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 I Re: OpenVMS at CeBIT 2003 - more  info on hp OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants  Restoring image backup Re: Restoring image backup Re: Restoring image backup* RFC 822 (was: send mail from an intranet?). Re: RFC 822 (was: send mail from an intranet?). Re: RFC 822 (was: send mail from an intranet?). Re: RFC 822 (was: send mail from an intranet?) Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Re: send mail from an intranet? ( Re: Shareable data image and VMS-cluster  Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.  Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.  Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.  Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.& Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU value& Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU value& Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU value Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix1 Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ? 1 Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ? H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:57:19 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 9 Subject: %SYSTEM-F-BUGCHECK, internal consistency failure ; Message-ID: <01KTPU9KQDQA9H1MPS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   E I mentioned a couple of days ago that I had written a DCL client for  H DynDNS.org.  It works, and runs fine most of the time, but occasionally & the corresponding batch job exits with  3    %SYSTEM-F-BUGCHECK, internal consistency failure   C Since the only "heavy-duty" application it is running is TCPIP, is  H anyone aware of any bugs which could cause this?  It apparently doesn't G have any bad side effects, and I can restart the batch job and it will   run for another day or so.  C Not up to date, I know: 7.2-1 and 5.0A.  I do plan to upgrade soon, C originally for other reasons, but it would be nice to know why this  occurs first.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:42:34 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> ? Subject: Re: Anyone use a Compaq 20/40 dlt tape drive in a vax? ' Message-ID: <3E7881DA.C0C47232@vcu.edu>   E does it consider the dltiii to be a iii, or is it trying to make it a 8 vi?? my guess would be that it's acting as a iii, right?   jim    John Santos wrote: > + > On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Brian Tillman wrote:  > O > > Now my question is: can I use CompactTape IIIs in the DLT4000, so that both M > > drives use the same media, or do I have to use a III in the DLT2000 and a " > > CompactTape IV in the DLT4000? > ? > I have a DLT4000 on a Sun that is perfectly happy with III's.  >  > --
 > John Santos  > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539   --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 07:56:33 -0800/ From: ratkinson@tbs-ltd.co.uk (Robert Atkinson) 2 Subject: Brian Schenkenberger - Where are you?????= Message-ID: <ee8fff65.0303190756.1f43f63f@posting.google.com>   @ Brian, I need to ask you a question about CTRL-V. Please can you% contact me on ratkinson@tbs-ltd.co.uk    Many thanks, Rob.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:43:47 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG6 Subject: Re: Brian Schenkenberger - Where are you?????0 Message-ID: <00A1D195.455218A3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <ee8fff65.0303190756.1f43f63f@posting.google.com>, ratkinson@tbs-ltd.co.uk (Robert Atkinson) writes: A >Brian, I need to ask you a question about CTRL-V. Please can you & >contact me on ratkinson@tbs-ltd.co.uk  ( Pussycat, pussycat, where have you been?)   I've been to London to visit the Queen.   H Actually, I didn't see the Queen, just Buckingham palace.  I'm back home now.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:43:15 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> ? Subject: Re: Editor wars - Was: Re: Upcoming VMS improvements ? & Message-ID: <3E788203.24D587A@vcu.edu>  A hey, thanks!!!!  i also saw that sedt (from anker-berg sonne) has  several distributions...     jim   
 leslie wrote:  > $ > Jim Agnew (jpagnew@vcu.edu) wrote:I > : chuckle!!!!  thanks, but the prob is that "they" don't buy it for all ' > : systems...  they did for one, tho..  > :  > & > There's the free EDT-like editor ED: > 2 >     http://clio.rice.edu/EDstuff/ED_Overview.txt > K >    "...ED is an EDT look-alike editor that is portable to many platforms. K >     If you use EMACS, you'll probably hate it, but it does have some nice  >     features.  >  >     ED will: > C >     o  Let you edit files on other hosts, if you are connected to  >        the Internet.9 >     o  Display many files on the screen simultaneously. C >     o  Save key definitions and other editor settings on command. C >     o  Let you mark your spot in a file, and return to it easily. 6 >     o  Let you put tab stops wherever you want them.1 >     o  Let you use wildcards in search strings. 4 >     o  Let you redefine the keys on your terminal.O >     o  Let you say things like: ED *.dat, if you want to edit all .dat files. B >     o  Allow you to teach it how to talk to different terminals.B >     o  Calculate the value of algebraic expressions that include >        math functions., >     o  Sort a file or a portion of a file.' >     o  Let you read the network news.  > < >     ED is free software, see the file COPYING for details. >  >     ED is available from > % >     ftp://clio.rice.edu/pub/   ..."  > 4 > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own); >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:43:25 +0100 6 From: Horst Drechsel <ai05@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>6 Subject: Re: environment variables lost on AlphaPC 164= Message-ID: <00A1D195.36D59613.10@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>   
    Hi all,  C    thanks for replies following my earlier posting of this problem. E Unfortunately we were not able to solve it up to now. May I therefore  ask again for help.      /    Recently one of our nodes - an AlphaPC 164 - @ crashed with a burnt power supply. After a few weeks of downtimeC we replaced the power supply (it was difficult to find a compatible @ device). The node was not only disconnected from the power cord,C but for about 1 day also the onboard Lithium 3V battery was removed B and is now replaced by a new one. Booting over the network adapterF EWA0 was no more possible, because the PCI slot configuration is lost.B To get back to basics we have unplugged all disks, the second SCSI? adapter and FLOPPY and kept only the graphics card and the SCSI = adapter for CD-ROM. When trying to boot from an OpenVMS 7.2-1 A distribution CD, it hangs in boot after the first line of output:    :        OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1   = (after that it keeps on reading from the CD for a few seconds  and then gets stuck).   F Otherwise, console operations seem to be normal. Here is the output of show config:    J >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>sh config   3                         Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz    H  SRM Console V4.9-2             VMS PALcode V1.20-9, OSF PALcode V1.22-8     SROM Revision: 2.2   DECchip (tm) 21164A-2#  DECchip (tm) 21172 CIA ASIC Pass 3      MEMORY   256 Meg of system memory         PCI Bus=       Bus 00  Slot 05: Digital S3 TRIO 64 Graphics Controller 1       Bus 00  Slot 07: NCR 53C810 Scsi Controller G                                     pka0.7.0.7.0          SCSI Bus ID 7 N                                     dka400.4.0.7.0         TEAC CD-ROM CD-532S6       Bus 00  Slot 08: Intel 82378IB PCI to ISA Bridge1       Bus 00  Slot 11: CMD PCI0646 IDE Controller B                                     dqa0.0.0.11.0         PCI EIDE     ISAL  Slot    Device Name             Type         Enabled  BaseAddr  IRQ     DMA  0C          0      MOUSE            Embedded        Yes     60      12 B          1      KBD              Embedded        Yes     60      1B          2      COM1             Embedded        Yes     3f8     4B          3      COM2             Embedded        Yes     2f8     3B          4      LPT1             Embedded        Yes     3bc     7J          5      FLOPPY           Embedded        Yes     3f0     6       2 >>> O  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------    1    When trying a conversational boot from CD with         >>> b -flags 0,1 dka400    ' we get the SYSBOOT> prompt. When saying         SYSBOOT> exit     we get the error message:    O  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ B     %SYSBOOT-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYS$PUBLIC_VECTORS.EXEO     %SYSBOOT-F-LDFAIL, unable to load SYS$PUBLIC_VECTORS.EXE, status = 00000870         halted CPU 0        halt code = 5      HALT instructions executed     PC = 177f4     >>> O  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------   D    When trying a minimum boot involving the XDELTA debugging option:       >>> b -flags 0,7 dka400      SYSBOOT> set/startup OPA0:     SYSBOOT> continue    we get  ;         OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1       Brk 0 at 8000200C    8000200C!       BPT  % and when trying to continue then with       ;P    we end up again with      BRK - END OF INIT BREAKPOINT       8000200C!       BPT    K    I suspect the problem is connected with the loss of information from the A mainboard BIOS NVRAM or EEROM area due to the temporary power off " (with removed onboard 3V battery).  H    A subsequent firmware update (from official firmware upgrade CD V5.0)K didn't change the situation. What else could be tried to get that node back  running again?      Horst     --M  **************************************************************************** )   Horst Drechsel                          L   Dr. Remeis Observatory                 drechsel@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.deL   Astronomical Institute                             Phone: +49-951-95222-15L   University Erlangen-Nuernberg                        Fax: +49-951-95222-22*   Sternwartstr.7, D-96049 Bamberg, GermanyM  ****************************************************************************    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2003 01:17 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 3 Subject: Re: Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg - Message-ID: <19MAR200301174674@gerg.tamu.edu>   & Steve Young <steve@well.com> writes...I }  I'm trying to make use of sys$putmsg from within a .c program of mine. G }I have no problem compiling my .MSG file with MESSAGE to an .obj file, L }however I have no idea how I can determine what numerical code was assigned2 }to my error message during compilation for use.   } J }  Here's a little bit of example code to show you what I'm talking about: }  }#include <stdio.h>  }#include <starlet.h>  }  }struct msgvec_blk { }        short int count;  }        short int options;  }        int msg_code; }} msg = { 1, 15, 0 }; } 	 }main() { ) }        sys$putmsg(&msg, NULL, NULL, 0);  }} } K }  Now, how can I set msg.msg_code to the numerical value that was assigned N }to MSG_WHATEVER? In my case it is assigning the startup message of my programG }a value of 0x08018019, which I gleaned from the .LIS file that MESSAGE J }generated.  But how can I use this in my program without hardcoding a lot= }of hexadecimal numbers that could easily change at any time?  } 
 }  Thanks,	 }  Steve.   ? In each section for the various severities in the message file, > except perhaps the first one, use a ".base" command to specify= where that section's numbering is to start. This can give you = room in the numbering to add more to each section later. When A you add messages, only add them to the end of each section. Never @ insert them into an existing range. Also never actually delete aB message (you can change them, but make sure to check your usage of@ any such changed message). Watch out that you don't overflow theA space you've alloted for each group - if you would do so, that is E when you actually have to be concerned with the problem you now face.   E Then create your include file with all the various "Application__XXX" " constants for the message numbers.  K If done this way, you don't have to worry (much) about the numbers changing  in the future.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:25:07 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> 3 Subject: Re: Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg 6 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0303190016280.10888@jaipur>  ' On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Steve Young wrote: J >   I'm trying to make use of sys$putmsg from within a .c program of mine.H > I have no problem compiling my .MSG file with MESSAGE to an .obj file,M > however I have no idea how I can determine what numerical code was assigned 1 > to my error message during compilation for use.   J This is a good question.  I've done this before, so I went back and lookedJ at the code I did.  I don't know where I got this information, but here is how it's done in C.   J Here's an example message file for a DTSS time provider program I created:  8 ======================================================== .TITLE DTSTPCP_MSG .IDENT /V1.00/  ! .FACILITY DTSTP, 15/PREFIX=DTSTP_    .SEVERITY INFORMATIONAL . TPSTART         <DECdts time provider started>8 TPSHUTREQ       <Shutdown request sent to time provider>4 TPDUMPREQ       <Dump request sent to time provider>D TPRELOADREQ     <Configuration reload request sent to time provider>= TPZEROREQ       <Zero counters request sent to time provider> > TPCLOSEREQ      <Log file close request sent to time provider>   .SEVERITY WARNING    .SEVERITY ERROR 2 TPRUNNING       <Time provider is already running>4 NOTPMBX         <No time provider mailbox available>   .SEVERITY FATAL 8 ========================================================   Notice the prefix is "DTSTP_".  J Next, create a header file with all of the messages values in it specified= as a "globalvalue".  "globalvalue" has special meaning to the D compiler and linker.  But, honestly, I'm not sure what the magic is.  6 ====================================================== /* message values */ globalvalue DTSTP_TPSTART; globalvalue DTSTP_TPSHUTREQ; globalvalue DTSTP_TPDUMPREQ; globalvalue DTSTP_TPRELOADREQ; globalvalue DTSTP_TPZEROREQ; globalvalue DTSTP_TPCLOSEREQ;  globalvalue DTSTP_TPRUNNING; globalvalue DTSTP_NOTPMBX;7 =======================================================   G Now you should be able to use those constants in your code.  The linker " will figure out the value for you.  
 Good luck.   -Ryan    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:24:23 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)3 Subject: Re: Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg ; Message-ID: <3e78a7c7.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   , Ryan Moore (rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org) wrote: > Steve Young wrote:J > > I'm trying to make use of sys$putmsg from within a .c program of mine.J > > I have no problem compiling my .MSG file with MESSAGE to an .obj file,F > > however I have no idea how I can determine what numerical code was< > > assigned to my error message during compilation for use.  * You don't need to know. As Ryan explained:  B > Next, create a header file with all of the messages values in itI > specified as a "globalvalue".  "globalvalue" has special meaning to the F > compiler and linker.  But, honestly, I'm not sure what the magic is.  B The magic lies in the object file created by MESSAGE. It generatesD global named constants for all the values. These you can use in your program.   cu,    Martin --  G                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 10:48:10 -0800$ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)B Subject: Re: Help using SYS$CRELNM and SYS$TRNLNM for > 128 values< Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0303191048.3725316@posting.google.com>  ? I did some digging and looking at old newsgroup postings and it ? appears that DCL "cheats" and does not look at things using the B sys$trnlnm service.  Instead, it pokes around in the (non-trivial)@ logical name table data structures and gets its own information.  F If I don't feel like writing MACRO routines to root out logical valuesB beyond 128, I am in a bad way.  This is indeed a case where valuesD check in (via sys$crelnm) but they don't check out (via sys$trnlnm).  > Years ago, I would have taken this as a challenge to write theE appropriate routines to find every last one of the values. These days > I say, "Yeah, I could do that..." and move on.  This became an" academic exercise a long time ago.   Regards,	 /RC Bryan     h rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan) wrote in message news:<fbcf38dc.0303141509.796eafc@posting.google.com>...F > I discovered that I can use sys$crelnm to create a logical name with= > over 160 values but when I try to use sys$trnlnm to get the D > values, it won't let me look at values above 127.  This is kind ofG > frustrating since I can see the values from the DCL prompt by typing:  >  > $ sho log myname > ' > and I see all the values I defined.    > 2 > How does DCL look at all the values?  How can I? >  > Thank you for any input. > 
 > Regards, > /RC Bryan    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Mar 2003 23:39:51 -0800) From: yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com (Kenneth) - Subject: How to check products install in VAX = Message-ID: <f26516b9.0303182339.67b637dc@posting.google.com>   E In an Alpha machine, I can check what products have been installed by E checking the VMSINSTAL.HISTORY and PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT, but there is E not such history file in VAX, how can I check waht products have been  installed in a VAX machine?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:13:33 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>1 Subject: Re: How to check products install in VAX ) Message-ID: <3E7826AD.A0EFA6FC@127.0.0.1>    Kenneth wrote: > G > In an Alpha machine, I can check what products have been installed by G > checking the VMSINSTAL.HISTORY and PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT, but there is G > not such history file in VAX, how can I check waht products have been  > installed in a VAX machine?   A This is something we have to do very, very often in our business.   H I don't suppose I'm revealing any great secrets, but as well as checkingF the license databases, contents of release notes in SYS$HELP, you alsoH need to be aware of those certain applications which live tucked away inH a user area but also form part of the system and its integrated businessE function. All that is unlikely to be the whole story, because you may F also find that the characteristics and environment also play a role in service delivery.   E So this applies to VAX and Alpha. We have a suite of custom discovery G tools, as well as years of experience and thorough understanding of the H platform and business practices, so all I can say to you in addition is, "good luck".   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:05:49 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: How to check products install in VAX / Message-ID: <3E7816C2.CB1F4C0A@vl.videotron.ca>    Kenneth wrote: > G > In an Alpha machine, I can check what products have been installed by G > checking the VMSINSTAL.HISTORY and PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT, but there is G > not such history file in VAX, how can I check waht products have been  > installed in a VAX machine?    PRODUCT  does exist on VAX. E LICENSE LIST is another way to see what products have been installed. H HELP is another way (to see whatadditional commands have been installed.  K Doing a DID SYS$HELP:*.REL*  will list release notes and that can also give  you an idea.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 05:13:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: How to check products install in VAX 3 Message-ID: <MsQJXka37OAP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <f26516b9.0303182339.67b637dc@posting.google.com>, yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com (Kenneth) writes: G > In an Alpha machine, I can check what products have been installed by G > checking the VMSINSTAL.HISTORY and PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT, but there is G > not such history file in VAX, how can I check waht products have been  > installed in a VAX machine?   ; VAX systems have VMSINSTAL.HISTORY effective with VMS V7.3.   B VAX systems have had PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT as long as they have had PRODUCT INSTALL.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:06:48 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: How to check products install in VAX / Message-ID: <3E788787.7CD64038@vl.videotron.ca>   J One way to check for installed products is to install a vanilla VMS systemK connected via decnet (or clustered) and then write a command procedure that M runs on the audited node and scans through all files on the system and checks 2 to see if the file exists on the "vanilla" system.  N Another way is to look at the systartup_VMS as well as the SYSMAN STARTUP SHOW6 FILE to see what products are initialised during boot.  C Note that all the hints given for VAX also apply to Alpha machines.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:36:03 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> ? Subject: Re: How to connect Vaxstation 4000 VLC to LCD monitor? ? Message-ID: <b20f9bd54b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   < In message <EhJda.5505$S%6.41116909@news-text.cableinet.net>L           "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> wrote:  3 > http://www.cadesigns.co.uk/mi1a.htm looks useful.  > I > I found this by searching for +"VGA to RGB" +converter using AltaVista.  >  > M > Conversely I also found the following (wrong way round for what you want to  > do): > N > Black Box do a XGA/VGA to RGB converter - AC9001-R2. Not cheap (265.00 list > in UK), but probably works.  >  > You could roll your own - ; > http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/vga2rgbs.html  > I > I found this by searching for +"RGB to VGA" +converter using AltaVista.  >  > --! > Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin. ) > (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)  >  > . > "pbc" <pbc@informchaos.com> wrote in message+ > news:b55cn1$7em$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net... K > > I wonder is there any way to connect my Vaxstation 4000 VLC (it has RGB K > > cable) to a regular LCD monitor or any other monitor without RGB input. , > > Any converters? Any other possibilities? > > 	 > > Peter   J I hope the above answers Peter's question. Another reading of the questionK might mean a monitor without analogue inputs. (The 15-pin connector IS RGB, @ if you want to be fussy.) That question then becomes "is there aK digital-output video adapter for the 4000VLC. To which my answer is "I have  no idea, but I doubt it."    Does anyone else know?     --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:31:18 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>* Subject: Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT) Message-ID: <3E782AD6.AF1747B7@127.0.0.1>    Lee Y T Mah wrote: > ? > I have a TL891 35/70 GB DLT dual-pathed to a pair of HSJ40's. C > The DLT, with a 10-tape jukebox, is installed on the last (sixth) = > available SCSI channel to the HSJ40's.  I would like to add C > another tape system to this (realizing that there may be problems ? > if both tape drives are performing concurrently).  Has anyone ? > successfully implemented any of the following configurations?  > ' >     - Replace the TL891 with a TL890. ; >     - Add a second TL891 to use the same 10-tape jukebox. : >     - Daisy-chain the second DLT891 system to the first.   HSJ40???  H I'd have a rethink about your backups and device connecting strategy. IfG you want to keep a TL89x class drive streaming, you'll need to consider G your data paths, particularly if you're adding another. If you're close H to saturating the throughput, adding a second drive will not reduce your, backup times, it could even make them worse.  > How about clustering in a DS10 as a backup engine and directlyH connecting the tape drive? Keeps half the data traffic OFF the CI. ThereH is probably no reason why you can't (other than slot capacity) turn your@ TL891 into a TL892 (or was that what you meant by using the same	 jukebox?)    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 02:00:20 -0700 $ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>* Subject: Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT) Message-ID: <3E7831A4.B148385E@cha.ab.ca>    Nic Clews wrote:   > Lee Y T Mah wrote: > > A > > I have a TL891 35/70 GB DLT dual-pathed to a pair of HSJ40's. E > > The DLT, with a 10-tape jukebox, is installed on the last (sixth) ? > > available SCSI channel to the HSJ40's.  I would like to add E > > another tape system to this (realizing that there may be problems A > > if both tape drives are performing concurrently).  Has anyone A > > successfully implemented any of the following configurations?  > > ) > >     - Replace the TL891 with a TL890. = > >     - Add a second TL891 to use the same 10-tape jukebox. < > >     - Daisy-chain the second DLT891 system to the first. > 
 > HSJ40??? > J > I'd have a rethink about your backups and device connecting strategy. IfI > you want to keep a TL89x class drive streaming, you'll need to consider I > your data paths, particularly if you're adding another. If you're close J > to saturating the throughput, adding a second drive will not reduce your. > backup times, it could even make them worse. > @ > How about clustering in a DS10 as a backup engine and directlyJ > connecting the tape drive? Keeps half the data traffic OFF the CI. ThereJ > is probably no reason why you can't (other than slot capacity) turn yourB > TL891 into a TL892 (or was that what you meant by using the same > jukebox?)  >  > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  > nclews at csc dot com   G                 Yes.  HSJ40's.  Streaming is not a requirement or issue  here. L                 We run a lights-out operation so I want to have two systems,  F                 each loaded with ten tapes, for backing up a couple ofI                 applications.  The two backups will not run concurrently. 7                 We also have another TL891 on an HSJ50.   C                 We are getting a DS10 as a quorum node replacement. I                 Unfortunately it's 15KM+ away from the other two sites of G                 the cluster and it's connected over a 10/100 ISP cloud.   J                 I was talking to HP HW Support Tue re a second TL891.  TheI                 connection was bad and perhaps I heard incorrectly.  So a  TL892 E                 is just the addition of a second drive to the 10-tape  system?   F                 Back to my third point.  Can I daisy-chain two TL891's together)                 and have them functional?      -- Lee   5 L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.ca  Capital Health Authority Information Systems, RAH CSC Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:07:33 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>* Subject: Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT) Message-ID: <3E784F75.B0D510F7@127.0.0.1>    Lee Y T Mah wrote: >  > Nic Clews wrote: >   I >                 Yes.  HSJ40's.  Streaming is not a requirement or issue  > here.   H Performance issues ignored then. I think your priority is increasing the number of available slots, yes?     N >                 We run a lights-out operation so I want to have two systems, > H >                 each loaded with ten tapes, for backing up a couple ofK >                 applications.  The two backups will not run concurrently. 9 >                 We also have another TL891 on an HSJ50.  > E >                 We are getting a DS10 as a quorum node replacement. K >                 Unfortunately it's 15KM+ away from the other two sites of I >                 the cluster and it's connected over a 10/100 ISP cloud.  > L >                 I was talking to HP HW Support Tue re a second TL891.  TheK >                 connection was bad and perhaps I heard incorrectly.  So a  > TL892 G >                 is just the addition of a second drive to the 10-tape 	 > system?   G Yes. However they share the same 10 slots, so it wouldn't help you. You  I think need a second TL891.  H >                 Back to my third point.  Can I daisy-chain two TL891's
 > together+ >                 and have them functional?  >   H I've not heard of it being done, but there's no reason that I know of it would not work.   9 A pair of TL891's will give you two drives, and 20 slots.   = While I appreciate this is a "lights out" site, I'd give some G consideration to the location of your backups, and the vulnerability of G the backup being in the vicinity of the data which you're attempting to F protect with the backup. I did once deliberately enforce a single slotG tape drive, to force an operative (not necessarily VMS trained) to make A a physical visit for physical security and data security reasons.   D As I said above (because some here don't read all the words I write) performance issues disregarded!    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:46:41 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> * Subject: Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT? Message-ID: <35099cd54b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>s  ( In message <3E7831A4.B148385E@cha.ab.ca>/           Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote:C   >  >  > Nic Clews wrote: >  > > Lee Y T Mah wrote: > > >eC > > > I have a TL891 35/70 GB DLT dual-pathed to a pair of HSJ40's.dG > > > The DLT, with a 10-tape jukebox, is installed on the last (sixth)eA > > > available SCSI channel to the HSJ40's.  I would like to add G > > > another tape system to this (realizing that there may be problemsGC > > > if both tape drives are performing concurrently).  Has anyoneeC > > > successfully implemented any of the following configurations?n > > >n+ > > >     - Replace the TL891 with a TL890.X? > > >     - Add a second TL891 to use the same 10-tape jukebox.u> > > >     - Daisy-chain the second DLT891 system to the first. > >i > > HSJ40??? > >gL > > I'd have a rethink about your backups and device connecting strategy. IfK > > you want to keep a TL89x class drive streaming, you'll need to considerLK > > your data paths, particularly if you're adding another. If you're closeLL > > to saturating the throughput, adding a second drive will not reduce your0 > > backup times, it could even make them worse. > >lB > > How about clustering in a DS10 as a backup engine and directlyL > > connecting the tape drive? Keeps half the data traffic OFF the CI. ThereL > > is probably no reason why you can't (other than slot capacity) turn yourD > > TL891 into a TL892 (or was that what you meant by using the same
 > > jukebox?)  > >e > > --C > > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  > > nclews at csc dot com  > I >                 Yes.  HSJ40's.  Streaming is not a requirement or issueg > here. N >                 We run a lights-out operation so I want to have two systems, > H >                 each loaded with ten tapes, for backing up a couple ofK >                 applications.  The two backups will not run concurrently.r9 >                 We also have another TL891 on an HSJ50.m > E >                 We are getting a DS10 as a quorum node replacement.rK >                 Unfortunately it's 15KM+ away from the other two sites ofeI >                 the cluster and it's connected over a 10/100 ISP cloud.m > L >                 I was talking to HP HW Support Tue re a second TL891.  TheK >                 connection was bad and perhaps I heard incorrectly.  So ao > TL892eG >                 is just the addition of a second drive to the 10-tape_	 > system?e  I Not sure of the model numbers but, from reading up on our TL891, it seemse$ that the expansion capabilities are:  ? A second drive within the TL891, allowing two backup operations K concurrently. I can't remember whether this can be done over two SCSI busesM( - if not SCSI bandwidth may be an issue.  K A slave 16-slot jukebox added to the TK891. This box has no drives. You endeK up with 26 tape slots able to feed your 1- or 2-drive TL891. You can add upVI to, I think, 4 of these slaves, which would give you 74 tape slots (and aS big heavy rack).  H You will also want to play with MRU (Media Robot Utility) if you haven'tF done so already. Media and single-machine license come with the TL891.   > H >                 Back to my third point.  Can I daisy-chain two TL891's
 > together+ >                 and have them functional?s >  >  > -- > Leej > 7 > L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.cag > Capital Health Authority > Information Systems, RAH CSC > Edmonton, Alberta, CANADAo >  >    -- t
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/,   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:29:40 -0600B From: brandon@dalsemi.comc* Subject: Re: Installing a second TL891 DLT1 Message-ID: <03031907294052@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e   1) HSJ40's.i  J We had four TZ887's attached to an HSJ40 controller.  Two tape drives wereL daisy chained with one another and then connected to one port on the HSJ40. ( No other connections on this controller.  H We easily flooded the CI bus with all four tape drives in operation - weH brought the VAX servers and Alpha server to a crawl (7840,6640, AS2100).  O I benchmarked a TL891 and found a 2.5X average increase in performance over theA* TZ887.  The TL891 was attached to a SAN's.  H If you consider using the TL891 on a HSJ40 I have no doubt you will have similiar problems.  H 2) A TL892 is just the addition of a second drive to the 10-tape system?  K That is correct.  A TL89-1 or TL89-2.  The TL89-1 has 1, the TL89-2 has 2. nO Make sure that when you order the part number 120878-B21 TL89 tape drive add ons  M You can split the 10-cartride tray (software wise) to serve the two drives as20 needed.  Set the tape drive to sequential (btw).  C 3) Can I daisy-chain two TL891's together and have them functional?   N Try it.  Just make sure you set the SCSI ID's are different.  You might have aN problem with the tape loaders themselves, I do not remember if they have their5 own serperate SCSI ID or not.  That may be a problem.M  O We have even split the two tape drives on one TL89-2 to two different servers. BO You may consider this and attach one tape drive to seperate HSJ40 controllers -3> however you will still most likely flood the CI during backup.       John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorn Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk- 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:49:07 -0500:! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>r* Subject: RE: Installing a second TL891 DLTK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BDC@rlghncst964.usps.gov>o  ' We have six drives ( 3 TL892s) and one n! TL890 Minilibrary Expansion unit.o  ? This gives us a total of 45 slots plus one for a cleaning tape.n  : In addition to MRU (Media Robot Utility) mentioned below, E I'd also suggest that you have a look at HP's Archive Backup SoftwareQ (ABS).  ( It does everything but shine your shoes.   WWWebb        ( In message <3E7831A4.B148385E@cha.ab.ca>/           Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote:l   >s >  > Nic Clews wrote: >k > > Lee Y T Mah wrote: > > >-C > > > I have a TL891 35/70 GB DLT dual-pathed to a pair of HSJ40's. G > > > The DLT, with a 10-tape jukebox, is installed on the last (sixth)SA > > > available SCSI channel to the HSJ40's.  I would like to addaG > > > another tape system to this (realizing that there may be problemsiC > > > if both tape drives are performing concurrently).  Has anyoneeC > > > successfully implemented any of the following configurations?t > > > + > > >     - Replace the TL891 with a TL890.h? > > >     - Add a second TL891 to use the same 10-tape jukebox. > > > >     - Daisy-chain the second DLT891 system to the first. > >D > > HSJ40??? > > L > > I'd have a rethink about your backups and device connecting strategy. IfK > > you want to keep a TL89x class drive streaming, you'll need to consider K > > your data paths, particularly if you're adding another. If you're close L > > to saturating the throughput, adding a second drive will not reduce your0 > > backup times, it could even make them worse. > > B > > How about clustering in a DS10 as a backup engine and directlyL > > connecting the tape drive? Keeps half the data traffic OFF the CI. ThereL > > is probably no reason why you can't (other than slot capacity) turn yourD > > TL891 into a TL892 (or was that what you meant by using the same
 > > jukebox?)  > >d > > --C > > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences. > > nclews at csc dot coml >oI >                 Yes.  HSJ40's.  Streaming is not a requirement or issuer > here.oE >                 We run a lights-out operation so I want to have two  systems, >eH >                 each loaded with ten tapes, for backing up a couple ofK >                 applications.  The two backups will not run concurrently.i9 >                 We also have another TL891 on an HSJ50.. >cE >                 We are getting a DS10 as a quorum node replacement.EK >                 Unfortunately it's 15KM+ away from the other two sites of-I >                 the cluster and it's connected over a 10/100 ISP cloud.e >aL >                 I was talking to HP HW Support Tue re a second TL891.  TheK >                 connection was bad and perhaps I heard incorrectly.  So a  > TL892kG >                 is just the addition of a second drive to the 10-tapel	 > system?o  I Not sure of the model numbers but, from reading up on our TL891, it seems $ that the expansion capabilities are:  ? A second drive within the TL891, allowing two backup operationsoK concurrently. I can't remember whether this can be done over two SCSI buses ( - if not SCSI bandwidth may be an issue.  K A slave 16-slot jukebox added to the TK891. This box has no drives. You end K up with 26 tape slots able to feed your 1- or 2-drive TL891. You can add uptI to, I think, 4 of these slaves, which would give you 74 tape slots (and a  big heavy rack).  H You will also want to play with MRU (Media Robot Utility) if you haven'tF done so already. Media and single-machine license come with the TL891.   >oH >                 Back to my third point.  Can I daisy-chain two TL891's
 > together+ >                 and have them functional?n >y >m > -- > Lee2 > 7 > L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.ca  > Capital Health Authority > Information Systems, RAH CSC > Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA  >t >o   --
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/- ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annexn, 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:12:04 -0500m! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>u* Subject: RE: Installing a second TL891 DLTK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BDD@rlghncst964.usps.gov>    -----Original Message------ From: "Lee Y T Mah" [mailto:lytmah@cha.ab.ca] ' Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:04 AMT To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" & Subject: Installing a second TL891 DLT    = I have a TL891 35/70 GB DLT dual-pathed to a pair of HSJ40's. A The DLT, with a 10-tape jukebox, is installed on the last (sixth) ; available SCSI channel to the HSJ40's.  I would like to adddA another tape system to this (realizing that there may be problems = if both tape drives are performing concurrently).  Has anyone = successfully implemented any of the following configurations?d  %     - Replace the TL891 with a TL890.   K You can't do this; a TL890 has no drives in it; the space where the drives  F would go is taken up by an additional 6 tape slots;  an elevator movesK tapes up and down between the 10 slots in the TL891 and the 16 in the T890.-  9     - Add a second TL891 to use the same 10-tape jukebox.   D You can do this; This is the difference between a TL891 and a TL892.  H We're doing it by hanging them from SCSI host adapters installed in our 0 AlphaServer 4100s or ES40s, as the case may be.   G We will probably be hanging the ES40 stuff off of an MDR in the future  # to make them less device-dependent.l  5 I can't say what hanging them off of HSJ40s would do.l  8     - Daisy-chain the second DLT891 system to the first.  L Bear in mind that with two TL891s, you'd then have four things on the bus:  D a connection for each tape drive and a connection for each loader.    @ Things could theoretically get "contentious" in that situation.   G I've never set MRU up to run with two separate loader connections; whenO@ you stack TL890s/891s/892s, you only have one robot connection;   D I believe that an internal ribbon cable connects the loaders up and I there's an elevator module that facilitates the vertical moving of tapes  J between levels; it's a remarkable bit of mechanical engineering if you've * ever watched one work with the cover off.   K On the 4100s we run one drive and the robot on one bus, and the other driveE on another.t  I On the ES40s, we run the robot and one pair of drives off of one bus; theu* other two buses each run a pair of drives.  H I'm not familiar enough with HSJ40s and their throughput to say whether 9 that would be a problem or not. (Your Disk Farm May Vary)*  K IMHO, putting your tape drives on separate host adapters would probably be oK a better way to approach this for reasons of throughput, at the very least, K but if you're using HSJs that gives me a hint that it might not be a viable  option for you...     H If you're patient enough with HP's phone menus, you might eventually get7 through to Storageworks' Pre-Sales Technical Support.  r  J They're the ones to ask fer sure.  They're also good folks and are willing to be quite helpful.   WWWebb ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annexm, 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:48:33 GMTo! From: JBloggs@acme..spamless..comc@ Subject: Re: Issue building Perl after applying VMS73_ACRTL V3.08 Message-ID: <um3h7vsrsier0ii6c9j6fv6duov6pbj8gp@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:42:56 GMT, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:t  F >I have posted about the myth of autoconf, and I have duplicated it's % >functionality for PYCOFNIG_H.COM on c+ >http://encompasserve.org/~malmberg/python/  > F >The file has been renamed for easy download on browsers that believe  >filetypes.  > G >A procedure to generate config.h would be similar.  This is a work in sD >progress, but can generate most of the config.h file for a project. >nG >I have had the autoconfig discussion on the samba-technical list, and xF >have lost it, and have had less than a year go by and watched a UNIX 1 >port fail because of the duplicate symbol issue.o >g0 >The same with the improper prototyped routines.  9 Is autoconf the typical choice for generating a config.h e' across most (u**x) platforms nowadays? e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:44:33 -0500y; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com>o@ Subject: Re: Issue building Perl after applying VMS73_ACRTL V3.0$ Message-ID: <3e78ac7a$1@news.si.com>  J >Blush... Yep, the poll.h header was inadvertantly ommitted from the finalL >.TLB that shipped with those ECOs.  Its in there now, and will be in future' >ECOs and also the future VMS releases.h  ; And when will that ECO be available for the general public? l http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/patches/vms/axp/v7.3-1/dec-axpvms-vms731_acrtl-v0100--4.pcsi-dcx_axpexeJ has a date of 23-Dec-2002.  DSNlink doesn't even show it, even though it'sG mentioned in the "Which ECOs Are Incorporated in Alpha V7.3-1 / Need too Install" article as available. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com,5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.o@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991.8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:39:47 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)@ Subject: Re: Issue building Perl after applying VMS73_ACRTL V3.0; Message-ID: <3e78ab63.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   " JBloggs@acme..spamless..com wrote:0 > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:I > > I have posted about the myth of autoconf, and I have duplicated it's g( > > functionality for PYCOFNIG_H.COM on . > > http://encompasserve.org/~malmberg/python/ > >DI > > The file has been renamed for easy download on browsers that believe = > > filetypes. > > J > > A procedure to generate config.h would be similar.  This is a work in G > > progress, but can generate most of the config.h file for a project.  > >TJ > > I have had the autoconfig discussion on the samba-technical list, and I > > have lost it, and have had less than a year go by and watched a UNIX  4 > > port fail because of the duplicate symbol issue. > >e3 > > The same with the improper prototyped routines.  >s; > Is autoconf the typical choice for generating a config.h V) > across most (u**x) platforms nowadays? r  C Yes. Unfortunately, I might add. But I guess the dissimilarities ofl) Unices call for such a convoluted tool...=   cu,=   Martin -- =F   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:20:35 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrantsu/ Message-ID: <3E788AC1.386E62E8@vl.videotron.ca>;   Rob Young wrote:H > > the urgency of the issue. In French eyes, Iraq is far less dangerousJ > > today than it was in the 1980s, when it was helped by certain powerful > > countries. > N >         Funny how that is crafted.  After all, France and Russia were behindE >         the Uranium enrichment facilities that the Israelis bombed.0  K One thing you must consider is that Iraq of 2003 is not the same as Iraq of: 1980s and early 1990s.  F The only issue is whether its leader should be held accountable in theK International Criminal Court for the crimes he has committed in the 1980s. :  J Because the USA and UK don't have any hard CURRENT evidence, much of their= rethoric was using events that happened a long long time ago.   I The UN inspectors were within weeks of confirming that Iraq no longer hadeI nuclear programme. (it woudl have taken a few months for the chemical/biooJ weapons to be audited). ElBaradei was confident that nothn would be found.  I So please, don't accuse Iraq of stuff you have no current evidence about."L Their past crimes have been noted and the sanction/inspection process wa theK punishement for those crimes. Unless you have  veriviable  current evidenceEE about NEW crimes, you cannot continue to accuse Iraq of the crimes itn committed a long time ago.  J Iraq was by no means a "clean" country. But the acusations made by Bush JrH were exagerated and designed to brainwash the american public and media.  K The problem with the rest of the world is that they remained diplomatic andfD didn't point out that Bush Jr was lying and misleading its citizens.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:26:15 -0800o* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrantsc2 Message-ID: <ymydne9UFbW1B-WjXTWcqA@mpowercom.net>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee) news:3E788AC1.386E62E8@vl.videotron.ca...tJ > One thing you must consider is that Iraq of 2003 is not the same as Iraq of > 1980s and early 1990s. > I As of next week this will be one of the most accurate predictions made onC this thread.    Jack Peacock    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:34:28 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrantsu4 Message-ID: <1030319122641.943A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  $ On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, JF Mezei wrote:  M > So, the americans don't accept that another nation criticises its policies,cP > and would never tolerate that another nation tells them that their leader is aP > bozo that needs to be removed before the other nations take the USA seriously. > N > Yet, the USA routinely does that to other nations. Bush called for Arafat toN > leave. Bush called for Hussein to leave. Bush's cronies criticise the french6 > government to no end. The list goes on an on and on. > M > Seems that the only government the USA doesn't criticise is that of Israel.hL > And don't think Canada got away with its calling Bush Jr a moron. Not longL > after that, that USA imposed stiff sanctions on our wood product that helpL > build affordable homes in the USA. I think that wheat is next on the list.P > Funny how the republicans, the ones who pushed for free trade so much, are the> > one who quickly forget free trade whenever it is convenient.  > The lumber tarrifs have nothing to do with Bush being a moron.= They have to do with protecting profits of large contributorsa to the Bush campaign.,  > The tarrifs were imposed several years ago, or at least that's? when they first tried to impose them.  Maybe someone fought it,-= and prevented them from going into effect until recently.  (Ir; think they are probably a violation of NAFTA, but violatingh& treaties never seems to bother Dubya.)   -- 2 John Santos1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:06:20 +0100r6 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DFran=E7ois=20PI=C9RONNE?= - Subject: Re: new releases of MySQL and Python + Message-ID: <3E78330C.AF2F8F60@laposte.net>h   > & > You'll need ODS5-filesystem, right?? > 
 > eberhard  < Python: yes it is better, but it is doable on an ODS2 volume0 MySQL: no if I am correct, but I haven't test...   Jean-Fanois   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 10:48:04 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)h- Subject: Re: new releases of MySQL and Python - Message-ID: <3e783cd4$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   + In article <3E78330C.AF2F8F60@laposte.net>,sJ =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DFran=E7ois=20PI=C9RONNE?=  <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> writes:a |> |>> ( |>> You'll need ODS5-filesystem, right?? |>>  |>> eberhard |>> |>Python: yes it is better, but it is doable on an ODS2 volume2 |>MySQL: no if I am correct, but I haven't test... |> |>Jean-Fanois |>  $ Some files have ODS5-specifications.   config^.h.in mysql_version^.h.ina ib_config^.h.ing    , I'm trying to compile with C 6.5 C++ 6.5 andI Multinet and this gives me some unresolved references. I'm just producing   all listing to see what's wrong.   eberhard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:34:35 -05001; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Nice update!e$ Message-ID: <3e78b834$1@news.si.com>  I I have a little old Alphaserver 1000 4/233 as part of a cluster, with the L remaining 10 machines all VAXes.  The VAXes are running V7.2.  (I'll installG 7.3 in the near future.)  The Alpha ran V6.2.  I wanted to get a lottlei? experience with 7.3, so decided to install V7.3-1 on the Alpha.   G Wow!  Prior to the upgrade, the Alpha was quite sluggish.  Now it steps * along quite smartly.  I'm glad I did this. -- tI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991A8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:44:45 -0600t From: brandon@dalsemi.com, Subject: Re: Nice update!h1 Message-ID: <03031912444535@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>S  K > I have a little old Alphaserver 1000 4/233 as part of a cluster, with theoN > remaining 10 machines all VAXes.  The VAXes are running V7.2.  (I'll installI > 7.3 in the near future.)  The Alpha ran V6.2.  I wanted to get a lottlehA > experience with 7.3, so decided to install V7.3-1 on the Alpha.  > I > Wow!  Prior to the upgrade, the Alpha was quite sluggish.  Now it stepsm, > along quite smartly.  I'm glad I did this.  N V6.2 to V7.3-1 is a big upgrade - did you wipe out the disk and start fresh orO did you perform a rolling upgrade?  An init of your disk drives could have madei
 a difference.   L I am not doubting the V7.3 performance increase - I am looking forward to it also!h   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratoro Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkl 972.371.4003 fxt   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 03 11:44:52 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)aR Subject: Re: OpenVMS at CeBIT 2003 - more  info on hp OpenVMS Industry Standard 64) Message-ID: <RHQDcfhBIPx5@elias.decus.ch>   c In article <1DYAHLk8CAMa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:cr > In article <3a65a5c8.0303170442.6dbcde87@posting.google.com>, keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) writes: > S >> I have also visited CeBIT last Friday. OpenVMS can be found at Hall 1 Stand 7i2.n > 0 > Thank you for sharing your experience with us. > , >> BaseStar is has the following homepage...B >> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/software/solutions/basestar/ >> rO >> I believe the BaseStar presentation to be an example of hp direct marketing,uL >> since I know of a major manufacturer based in Hanover which uses VMS and G >> BaseStar in its many European factories as an integral part of it's  M >> Computer-Aided-Manufacturing systems. I also heard they had a meeting withg! >> this company the same morning.  > F > I have seen the name BaseStar for years, but never knew any details.2 > Is it more prominent in Europe than in the USA ?  J I don't know about its relevant prominence geographically, but I have seenK it used at a major UK motor manufacturer for their production lines. It wasc" an extremely successful operation.  G IIRC, the support was done by Digital France, although that informationB dates back to 1996.v   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:15:57 +0000 (UTC)h5 From: "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk>tR Subject: Re: OpenVMS at CeBIT 2003 - more  info on hp OpenVMS Industry Standard 642 Message-ID: <b5a1jc$2gl$1@hercules.btinternet.com>  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:RHQDcfhBIPx5@elias.decus.ch...yK > In article <1DYAHLk8CAMa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  (Larry Kilgallen) writes: A > > In article <3a65a5c8.0303170442.6dbcde87@posting.google.com>,02 keith.cayemberg@conti.de (Keith Cayemberg) writes: > >RJ > >> I have also visited CeBIT last Friday. OpenVMS can be found at Hall 1
 Stand 7i2. > >r2 > > Thank you for sharing your experience with us. > >p. > >> BaseStar is has the following homepage...D > >> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/software/solutions/basestar/ > >>F > >> I believe the BaseStar presentation to be an example of hp direct
 marketing,I > >> since I know of a major manufacturer based in Hanover which uses VMSn and H > >> BaseStar in its many European factories as an integral part of it'sJ > >> Computer-Aided-Manufacturing systems. I also heard they had a meeting with# > >> this company the same morning.h > >oH > > I have seen the name BaseStar for years, but never knew any details.4 > > Is it more prominent in Europe than in the USA ? > L > I don't know about its relevant prominence geographically, but I have seenI > it used at a major UK motor manufacturer for their production lines. It  wasg$ > an extremely successful operation. >cI > IIRC, the support was done by Digital France, although that informationg > dates back to 1996.e >n > -- > Paul Sture  I Actually, BASEstar for VMS (aka 'Classic') was used at various well knownaF motor manufacturers in the UK (and oil companies and...). I'm glad youJ thought it was an extremely succesful operation. The BASEstar for VMS folk& were good people too (where's Sarah?).  H Support for UK BASEstar customers was in a mixture of the UK and France.J Some BASEstar projects were still supported from DEC/CPQ/HP in Warrington,K England, last time I checked - but like much VMS stuff it tended to be "fit3D and forget", so nothing much happens unless the customer environment, changes. Software bugs were pleasingly rare.  F There was also BASEstar Open, same market, same basic concept, totallyK different and very interesting implementation. In the BASEstar world it was $ unhelpful for the Open to be silent.   regardsa john   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 03 10:28:24 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)l: Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants) Message-ID: <+$W2ru0nREI9@elias.decus.ch>   o In article <BMwca.132533$em1.24854@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:h > + > "GcE" <Everhart@gce.com> wrote in messagek' > news:b4tvlq$7q8$1@bob.news.rcn.net...  >> John Smith wrote:@ >> > "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message< >> > news:b096a4ee.0303131620.664fbe5c@posting.google.com... >> >: >> >>"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message >>* >> [long carefully-argued posting clipped] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >C >> Simple question. Since the address and name used here don't workoC >> I'm wondering why there is no real address, and possibly no realeE >> name here? I don't recall anyone in this forum posting anonymously E >> so much...and I have tried to send email to this name (bounced, ase >> I feared it would). >  > a) No requirement to. H > b) Some of my customers visit this forum. Sometime personal/work views > are best kept separate.t >   , Unfortunately that is a very one sided view.  : You are effectively denying us the right to reply offline.  ? If you can go to the effort to disguise yourself online, surelyn@ creating an anonymous email address is not too difficult for you either.u  ? Put plainly, I find it bad manners that you flood our newsgroupH> with political views and hp bashing but little or no technical? content, and at the same time deny us the opportunity to answerm your points offline.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:58:21 +0100 , From: Zimnoreki DysoN <dysonSPAM@interia.pl> Subject: Restoring image backupn* Message-ID: <b59ijp$9km$1@inews.gazeta.pl>  K Hi, Im new here and rather agreen in VMS systems but maybe You can help me.hG I need to restore backup from tape to onve volume on OpenVMS 7.2 Systemi I boot from CD and' mount /for mkc600:    -streamer, source ( mount /for DKF1:      -disk, destination? backup /list /rewind mkc600:   -I got name of backup file, its i7 ALFHSM_ALHSMD_APPL.BCK, afterwards file listing startedD  E Since here im succesful but problems start when I want do run command0  7 backup /image mkc600:ALFHSM_ALHSMD_APPL.BCK /sav /DKF1::  G First was a warning that name is too long and was truncated and tens of  seconds later I got messageiD %BACKUP-I-NOSAVESET, MKC600:[000000]ALFHSM_ALHSMD_APPL.BCK is not a  backup SAVE SETo  F Can any one help me ant tell what is the problem and how restore this 
 image backup?g
 Thank You.       -- l2 DysoN     mailto:dyson@interia.pl ICQ UIN 31267896     -- rA Serwis Usenet w portalu Gazeta.pl -> http://www.gazeta.pl/usenet/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:50:34 +0000o( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1># Subject: Re: Restoring image backupe) Message-ID: <3E78598A.44A68AFB@127.0.0.1>    Zimnoreki DysoN wrote: > M > Hi, Im new here and rather agreen in VMS systems but maybe You can help me. I > I need to restore backup from tape to onve volume on OpenVMS 7.2 Systemt > I boot from CD and) > mount /for mkc600:    -streamer, source * > mount /for DKF1:      -disk, destination@ > backup /list /rewind mkc600:   -I got name of backup file, its9 > ALFHSM_ALHSMD_APPL.BCK, afterwards file listing startedi  C I think you're over complicating it. (And the syntax in the restoreh! command you quoted is incorrect).'  . You need to MOUNT/FORE the destination device.  2 The source tape device will be implicitly mounted.  : So, providing that there are NO other backups on the tape:   $ backup/image mkc600: dkf1:  B should do what you want. I'm assuming that DKF1 is a supported and' capable device for what you want to do.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:13:28 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>t# Subject: Re: Restoring image backup.? Message-ID: <d27c9ed54b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>r  ) In message <b59ijp$9km$1@inews.gazeta.pl> 7           Zimnoreki DysoN <dysonSPAM@interia.pl> wrote:   M > Hi, Im new here and rather agreen in VMS systems but maybe You can help me. I > I need to restore backup from tape to onve volume on OpenVMS 7.2 Systema > I boot from CD and) > mount /for mkc600:    -streamer, source * > mount /for DKF1:      -disk, destinationA > backup /list /rewind mkc600:   -I got name of backup file, its w9 > ALFHSM_ALHSMD_APPL.BCK, afterwards file listing started1 > G > Since here im succesful but problems start when I want do run commandm > 9 > backup /image mkc600:ALFHSM_ALHSMD_APPL.BCK /sav /DKF1:t4                                                    ^' The / should not be part of the command   K You may need to add /REWIND. If you listed the saveset first, then the tapewL is positioned at the end. Your backup/image command will then try to restoreJ the NEXT file on the tape. This will only produce the error you see if the0 next file has the same name but isn't a saveset.  L the /rewind qualifier determines what the tape drive does BEFORE it executesK the rest of the command, i.e. it means go to the beginning of the tape THENeL BACKUP/LIST in your example. I suspect you used it expecting to rewind AFTER listing.   > I > First was a warning that name is too long and was truncated and tens of   % You can ignore the TRUNCATED message.a   > seconds later I got messageeF > %BACKUP-I-NOSAVESET, MKC600:[000000]ALFHSM_ALHSMD_APPL.BCK is not a  > backup SAVE SETi  F If it was a saveset, then I don't understand this. (Could it have beenF created by a later version of VMS than the one restoring it? Does thatK produce this message? I would expect Backup to detect a more recent versiono& and be specific in the error message.)   > H > Can any one help me ant tell what is the problem and how restore this  > image backup?e > Thank You. >  >  >    -- o
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:11:10 +0100a4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>3 Subject: RFC 822 (was: send mail from an intranet?) & Message-ID: <3E786C6E.8050304@Free.fr>   David Webb wrote:   c >In article <3E77789B.316C9908@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  >    >a >>David Webb wrote:p >>     >>R >>>Why invent a new header for this purpose. Most mail programs which can validateQ >>>who has sent the mail (eg from the account logged into on a multi-user system)  >>>use either theg	 >>>      1 >>>aN >>RCC822 is used only by mail clients. It is not used by SMTP which sees it asN >>essentially part of the message text (with the exception of additions to theC >>RFC822 headeres as the messages passes through each SMTP server).p >> >>     >> >dG >This is irrelevent since what I was responding to was the use of a newcN >X-VMS-True-From header. This would, like the Sender and X-Sender, headers be Q >,as you say, part of the "body" of the message rather than in the SMTP envelope. D >Hence RFC822 (or its replacement RFC2822) are the appropriate RFCs.M >The SMTP commands which are documented in RFC821 and it's later replacements G >control the actual passing of messages between systems and are used toSO >construct the envelope. Mail clients may also add information into the body ofbB >the message as shown in rfc822/rfc2822 when sending the message. L >Mail servers then follow rfc2822/rfc822 and add various other headers into Q >the "body" of mail messages (Received lines, X- headers etc) as they process thewJ >messages. (They also alter the envelope addresses in order to deliver the
 >message). >e >  >e >t >h >  9 > N >>SMTP uses the information provided bty the MAIL FROM and RCPT TO commands toN >>deliver messages. This is how you could have 100 RCPT TO commands and in theN >>To: field of the RFC822 header, have just "My friends" and the message still% >>gets delivered to those 100 people.C >> >>     >>P >Yes this is the difference between the envelope address and the from address inQ >the "body" of the message. The from address you see in your mail messages can be0P >set to be anything. What counts for delivery is the envelope address/addresses.P >The from and to addresses you see when you read a mail message is equivalent toI >the address you write at the top of a formal business letter - it is notaG >consulted when delivering the message. Generally speaking the envelope = >information is thrown away when a mail message is delivered.  >  >b >w >  l >oO >>Note that some microsoft server software can parse the RFC822 header to routerO >>mail, which , I have seen will cause infite loops of messages being sent oversO >>and over again because the Exchange server takes messages it has received viacN >>POP and sends them out to the internet again to all people listed in the To:O >>of the RFC822 which causes a second copy to be sent to people who already got I >>it, and more importantly, another copy sent to the POP mailbox that the.O >>exchange server picks up again and does the same thing (until someone noticeso1 >>a limit on the Received: headers and stops it).w >>     >> >hP >If it is using the RFC822 headers which are in the "body" of the message ratherM >than the envelope addresses to route mail then it is broken. I don't believes4 >any microsoft mail server software is that broken. N >POP is a mail reading protocol - mail servers do not receive any mail by POP. >rM >That's not to say that a mail server either exchange or something else couldtN >not be badly configured and end up looping mail - this could be as simple as M >a badly set up mail forwarding or inappropriate handling of bounce messages.lO >Alternatively a third-party mechanism may cause looping for instance on VMS a dP >mechanism such as DELIVER which acts based on the headers in the "body" of the C >delivered message can if setup incorrectly result in mail looping.  >3 >Note.  M >In this mail message I am referring to everything which appears between the 8D >DATA and "." commands of the RFC821 dialogue as the message "body".D >Other discussions may refer to the different parts of this data as L >the "message headers" which comprise that part of the message text from theO >start of the message to the first blank line and may then refer to the rest of D >the message as the message body. The sender, X-sender and this new 7 >X-VMS-True-From would appear in the "message headers".b >  >  >David Webb< >VMS and Unix team leader> >CCSS  >Middlesex University@ >  b >>, Thank you, David, for this long explanation.   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 07:52:21 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)07 Subject: Re: RFC 822 (was: send mail from an intranet?)v3 Message-ID: <1Vr$zjAEJZiE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3E786C6E.8050304@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:e > David Webb wrote:g   <snip 95 lines>s  . > Thank you, David, for this long explanation.  C While David's contribution may be valuable, it really should not behB necessary to quote the whole thing when adding a one line comment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:23:18 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>7 Subject: Re: RFC 822 (was: send mail from an intranet?)a& Message-ID: <3E787D56.6000501@Free.fr>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  D >While David's contribution may be valuable, it really should not beC >necessary to quote the whole thing when adding a one line comment.n >rI What did you have at breakfast today, Larry? I started a new thread with  0 a new subject. This is why I kept the full post.  I Think about the ones who will come in here after us, when the latest VAX C7 is turned off. This place will be a kind of a museum...t   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 08:47:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: RFC 822 (was: send mail from an intranet?)o3 Message-ID: <M8Mz5Af+dL$e@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <3E787D56.6000501@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > E >>While David's contribution may be valuable, it really should not beiD >>necessary to quote the whole thing when adding a one line comment. >>K > What did you have at breakfast today, Larry? I started a new thread with a2 > a new subject. This is why I kept the full post. > K > Think about the ones who will come in here after us, when the latest VAX l9 > is turned off. This place will be a kind of a museum...   B I believe most people looking for old posts will continue to do soG with search engines that look at the body rather than just the subject.eC Thus starting a "new thread" has no particular impact on posterity.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:50:37 +0100e$ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?0 Message-ID: <b597ge$1dj$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote) news:3E773464.BB737CAC@vl.videotron.ca...  > Peter Flunger wrote:2 > > $define tcpip$smtp_from "Didier.Morandi@...fr"0 > > in the login.com of the VMS account you use,1 > > will send outgoing SMTP mail with that sendero > > address. >6 >pG > last I checked, this affected only the domain name, not the username.nB No, I tried on my workstation and it does accept an email address, including user and domain. Petert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:53:27 +0100d$ From: "Peter Flunger" <p-i-b@gmx.at>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?0 Message-ID: <b597lo$1g8$1@newsreader1.netway.at>  8 "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> schrieb >  > IT WOOOOORKS !!! >  Good to hear that    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:51:48 +0100o4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?& Message-ID: <3E783DB4.1020808@Free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:=  O >Sorry to be blunt, but perhaps Mr Morandi could provide some information aboutnM >nerim.net to which he sees associated. The offensive message made against menO >and distributed to multiple newsgroups originated from a nerim.net address and, >sent via dizum.com. >0O >When investigating the spam, the domain nerim.net popped up as the oner of theTN >ip address which apparently originated the spam, and since nerim.net had beenG >mentioned today here in the above message, I couldn't help but wonder.a >  e >   H Well, I do not know what to answer. Nerim is a new french ISP providing I ADSL connection and fixed IP addresses. They are actually the first ones o& to offer fixed IP addresses in France.  $ I do not know anything else on them.  > If there was spam sent from them, please email abuse@nerim.net   Regards,   D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:04:59 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?; Message-ID: <01KTPFWV6UAI9H1MPS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>;  B > Nerim is a new french ISP providing ADSL connection and fixed IPI > addresses. They are actually the first ones to offer fixed IP addressesd
 > in France.    > What are the monthly costs?  How do they compare to dynamic IP addresses? s   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 12:00:42 -00006 From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?6 Message-ID: <20030319120042.23576.qmail@gacracker.org>  5 NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.n8 No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.8 --------------------------------------------------------  F On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   <snip>  O >Sorry to be blunt, but perhaps Mr Morandi could provide some information abouteM >nerim.net to which he sees associated. The offensive message made against meoO >and distributed to multiple newsgroups originated from a nerim.net address andl >sent via dizum.com.  C JF, this isn't the first time I've seen you defamed via a remailer.   O >When investigating the spam, the domain nerim.net popped up as the oner of theeN >ip address which apparently originated the spam, and since nerim.net had beenG >mentioned today here in the above message, I couldn't help but wonder.e  / It's not spam. Usenet abuse, yes. But not spam.n  I The web site for the remailer used to post the offensive message I saw ise http://frogadmin.yi.org.  I This remailer is one of those that permits users to specify a custom FromfJ line. That makes them a little more difficult to killfile. However, if youG have no interest whatsoever in seeing these messages, you can filter onMK Message-IDs containing "Gilgamesh-frog.org" and suggest to others that they  do the same.     Doc. -- o: Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netu   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 05:18:07 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?3 Message-ID: <1CAv7wZ7hpBV@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  o In article <20030319120042.23576.qmail@gacracker.org>, "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:u  H > On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: >  > <snip> > P >>Sorry to be blunt, but perhaps Mr Morandi could provide some information aboutN >>nerim.net to which he sees associated. The offensive message made against meP >>and distributed to multiple newsgroups originated from a nerim.net address and >>sent via dizum.com.a > E > JF, this isn't the first time I've seen you defamed via a remailer.. > P >>When investigating the spam, the domain nerim.net popped up as the oner of theO >>ip address which apparently originated the spam, and since nerim.net had been/H >>mentioned today here in the above message, I couldn't help but wonder. > 1 > It's not spam. Usenet abuse, yes. But not spam.c  G For Usenet, the definition of spam is technically different from email. B In newsgroups, spam is the repetition of essentially the same data7 20 or more times (in the same or different newsgroups).   H (That said, I use the term "spam" when complaining about gross off-topicF commercial or political posts to ISPs.  By off-topic for comp.os.vms IC mean somebody in c.o.v. hawking their mortgage offerings, not theirn VMS offerings.)c   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:50:20 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)n( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?+ Message-ID: <b59lhs$bd7$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>r  b In article <3E77789B.316C9908@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >David Webb wrote:R >> Why invent a new header for this purpose. Most mail programs which can validateQ >> who has sent the mail (eg from the account logged into on a multi-user system)b >> use either the  >eM >RCC822 is used only by mail clients. It is not used by SMTP which sees it asxM >essentially part of the message text (with the exception of additions to the B >RFC822 headeres as the messages passes through each SMTP server). >e  F This is irrelevent since what I was responding to was the use of a newM X-VMS-True-From header. This would, like the Sender and X-Sender, headers be ,P ,as you say, part of the "body" of the message rather than in the SMTP envelope.C Hence RFC822 (or its replacement RFC2822) are the appropriate RFCs..L The SMTP commands which are documented in RFC821 and it's later replacementsF control the actual passing of messages between systems and are used toN construct the envelope. Mail clients may also add information into the body ofA the message as shown in rfc822/rfc2822 when sending the message. dK Mail servers then follow rfc2822/rfc822 and add various other headers into <P the "body" of mail messages (Received lines, X- headers etc) as they process theI messages. (They also alter the envelope addresses in order to deliver thee	 message).e          M >SMTP uses the information provided bty the MAIL FROM and RCPT TO commands to M >deliver messages. This is how you could have 100 RCPT TO commands and in thedM >To: field of the RFC822 header, have just "My friends" and the message stilln$ >gets delivered to those 100 people. >aO Yes this is the difference between the envelope address and the from address in P the "body" of the message. The from address you see in your mail messages can beO set to be anything. What counts for delivery is the envelope address/addresses. O The from and to addresses you see when you read a mail message is equivalent tocH the address you write at the top of a formal business letter - it is notF consulted when delivering the message. Generally speaking the envelope< information is thrown away when a mail message is delivered.       >rN >Note that some microsoft server software can parse the RFC822 header to routeN >mail, which , I have seen will cause infite loops of messages being sent overN >and over again because the Exchange server takes messages it has received viaM >POP and sends them out to the internet again to all people listed in the To:.N >of the RFC822 which causes a second copy to be sent to people who already gotH >it, and more importantly, another copy sent to the POP mailbox that theN >exchange server picks up again and does the same thing (until someone notices0 >a limit on the Received: headers and stops it).  O If it is using the RFC822 headers which are in the "body" of the message rather,L than the envelope addresses to route mail then it is broken. I don't believe3 any microsoft mail server software is that broken. eM POP is a mail reading protocol - mail servers do not receive any mail by POP.h  L That's not to say that a mail server either exchange or something else couldM not be badly configured and end up looping mail - this could be as simple as hL a badly set up mail forwarding or inappropriate handling of bounce messages.N Alternatively a third-party mechanism may cause looping for instance on VMS a O mechanism such as DELIVER which acts based on the headers in the "body" of the vB delivered message can if setup incorrectly result in mail looping.   Note. L In this mail message I am referring to everything which appears between the C DATA and "." commands of the RFC821 dialogue as the message "body". C Other discussions may refer to the different parts of this data as sK the "message headers" which comprise that part of the message text from theoN start of the message to the first blank line and may then refer to the rest ofC the message as the message body. The sender, X-sender and this new B6 X-VMS-True-From would appear in the "message headers".    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:04:14 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?$ Message-ID: <3E786ACE.30009@Free.fr>   Phillip Helbig wrote:R  B >>Nerim is a new french ISP providing ADSL connection and fixed IPI >>addresses. They are actually the first ones to offer fixed IP addresseso
 >>in France.   >> >7 >What are the monthly costs? >t) Dynamic address: around US$15, Nerim : 40q  0 >  How do they compare to dynamic IP addresses?  >  What do you mean?e   D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:42:39 +0100 (MET)c9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>1( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?; Message-ID: <01KTPNEME2IU9H1MPS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s   > > What are the monthly costs?6 > + > Dynamic address: around US$15, Nerim : 400 > 2 > >  How do they compare to dynamic IP addresses?  >  > What do you mean?i  < I meant, how does the price compare to a dynamic IP address.  G In Germany, one can get a dynamic-IP address DSL account for about EUR eH 30 per month (the DSL connection itself costs about EUR 10, in addition H to the normal phone cost).  Non--flat-rate costs can be as low as EUR 9  per month or so.  I If one can make do with one address visible to the outside, then I don't eG see any advantage in a fixed IP address if it costs substantially more.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:20:39 +0100l4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?& Message-ID: <3E787CB7.4060304@Free.fr>   Phillip Helbig wrote:h  = >I meant, how does the price compare to a dynamic IP address.h >uH >In Germany, one can get a dynamic-IP address DSL account for about EUR I >30 per month (the DSL connection itself costs about EUR 10, in addition sI >to the normal phone cost).  Non--flat-rate costs can be as low as EUR 9 t >per month or so.a >iJ >If one can make do with one address visible to the outside, then I don't H >see any advantage in a fixed IP address if it costs substantially more. >  m >o; The inconvenient with dynamic IP addresses is, to me, that:a   1. it is not professional 4 2. you have to rely on a dyndns.org or such provider 3. the address changes  I Now that I have "my" IP address, I can start handling my site as I want,  F even including links from my public WEB page (at my ISP's) to it. And F I'm sure I will be able to acces my files from anywhere in the world, B assuming that my wife does not unplug the Alpha when she uses the " aspirator in my office at home :-)   D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:26:17 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>:( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?; Message-ID: <01KTPOY13RC29H1MPS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  = > The inconvenient with dynamic IP addresses is, to me, that:. >  > 1. it is not professional8  I Normally, people will only see the name, not the address, so I don't see o an argument for this.s  6 > 2. you have to rely on a dyndns.org or such provider  H True.  On the other hand, you have to rely on a DNS server for a static I IP as well.  Of course, you could run your own DNS, but in that case you n< need at least two static IP addresses on different networks.  B My experience is that DynDNS.org is more reliable than my ISP who / currently provides me with a static IP address.e   > 3. the address changes  E True, this makes things more difficult.  However, this is relatively -% painless if one has an update client.,  J > Now that I have "my" IP address, I can start handling my site as I want,G > even including links from my public WEB page (at my ISP's) to it. And>G > I'm sure I will be able to acces my files from anywhere in the world, C > assuming that my wife does not unplug the Alpha when she uses the(% > aspirator in my office at home :-)    5 Well, all this can be done with a dynamic IP as well.e   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 06:17:36 -0800! From: rshkwee@hr.nl (R.S.H. Kwee) 1 Subject: Re: Shareable data image and VMS-cluster = Message-ID: <7c610475.0303190617.6f725d6f@posting.google.com>i  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<OFUUKD05GKgA@eisner.encompasserve.org>...c > In article <7c610475.0303180517.5735aaaa@posting.google.com>, rshkwee@hr.nl (R.S.H. Kwee) writes:nJ > > We have an application which uses shareable data images to share data.E > > The shareable data images are executable which will be installed.a > > I > > In this way the data can be shared between the application processes. G > > Now we want to run our application on a cluster (OpenVMS 7.1-1H2 onc > > Alpha).e > > G > > Can we put the shareble imagefiles on a shared disk and install the H > > images on each clustermember, in order to share the data between theC > > processen on the different nodes? Or must we implement an othere > > mechanism? > G >    I believe cluster-wide shareable images came out at about the same & >    time, and may be part of, Galaxy.  > At the moment we are not thinking of upgrading to Galaxy ..... So are there other options?i   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2003 12:17:47 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)t) Subject: Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.i0 Message-ID: <b59n5b$ail$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  U In article <3E77E2F8.AC9CB5E7@eps.zk.dec.com>, Hein <hein_cov@eps.zk.dec.com> writes:Mb >sys_check for tru64 is a fairly comprehensive data gathering script which gatheres mostly generalx >system information (cpu, memory, disks, filesystems, sysgen params, users, processes, locks,...) ad also knows a littlez >about oracle and major apps to gather it's critical settings. It allows support to ask for  a single (albeit large) file,y >as the output of running a single script (for half an hour) to gather just about all there is to knwo about a system. Soax >in vms terms it would be a combination of SYSGEN SHOW/ALL, SHOW MEMO/ALL, SHOW DEV/ALL, SHOW SYS,  SHOW ACC /SINCE=YES,y >INSTALL LIST/GLO, LICENS LIST,... or whatever the exact spelling of the commands might me. Actually, the point is prettyaz >much that you do not need the exact spelling of all the info listing commands, just run the script, it knows. It may, notx >it _will_, grab too much, bnut ghopefully the andswers for teh first two or three rounds of questions are all in there.  M I once got a file from a Compaq support called GET_ENVIRONMENT.COM that does eM just this: produce a file with a huge amount of information. It is 1571 lineso so I don't post it here.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannr  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +------------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html -------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:54:49 +0000a From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>>) Subject: Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.r) Message-ID: <3E7884B9.50CEF921@Omond.net>u   Steve Spires wrote:<  J > Is there anything like SYS_CHECK which you have with Tru64 which runs on > VMS?  J I'm surprised noone has mentioned RCM, though I must admit I didn't manageH to find it on the "new hp" website.  It used to be locatable through the; OpenVMS website under Tools (same section as DECevent etc.)   K As far as I remember, it's very similar to sys_check in that it gathers allS  E sorts of information from a system.  I'm not 100% sure, but I seem touH recall it needed a support contract, but it wasn't difficult to reverse-7 engineer and write one's own version (hey, Steve ! :-).n  	 Roy Omonda Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:16:53 -0600n From: brandon@dalsemi.coma) Subject: Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS.n1 Message-ID: <03031909165342@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    >> Steve Spires wrote: >> gM >> > Is there anything like SYS_CHECK which you have with Tru64 which runs onl	 >> > VMS?i >> eM >> I'm surprised noone has mentioned RCM, though I must admit I didn't managerK >> to find it on the "new hp" website.  It used to be locatable through thea> >> OpenVMS website under Tools (same section as DECevent etc.)  > I did mention WEBES - which RCM is a part of and is available:    5 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/svctools/index.htmln    E "hardware diagnosis, crash analysis, system configuration reports and * notification on Alpha systems and devices"  P "The Revision and Configuration Management Tool (RCM) collects configuration andO revision data. This data is stored in the RCM Server. An HP specialist can then.. generate the following reports for your site:"     John Brandon VMS Systems Administratorr Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkn 972.371.4003 fxe   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:46:02 +0000 (UTC)h5 From: "John Wallace" <johnwallace4@yahoo.dotco.dotuk>w) Subject: Re: SYS_CHECK equivelant on VMS. 2 Message-ID: <b5a3bq$4po$1@hercules.btinternet.com>  , "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> wrote in message# news:3E7884B9.50CEF921@Omond.net...  > Steve Spires wrote:n > L > > Is there anything like SYS_CHECK which you have with Tru64 which runs on > > VMS? >+L > I'm surprised noone has mentioned RCM, though I must admit I didn't manageJ > to find it on the "new hp" website.  It used to be locatable through the= > OpenVMS website under Tools (same section as DECevent etc.)r >rI > As far as I remember, it's very similar to sys_check in that it gatherso allo >iG > sorts of information from a system.  I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to:J > recall it needed a support contract, but it wasn't difficult to reverse-9 > engineer and write one's own version (hey, Steve ! :-).  >> > Roy Omond< > Blue Bubble Ltd. >   - RCM is there, hidden away on the WEBES pages.o  5 E.g. http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/svctools/webesu  J In the many years I have been working with VMS and Tru64, I've never heardL anyone ask "is there a sys_check for VMS?". Yet now it has been asked, it is such an obvious question.n  L I don't know of an equivalent. RCM does some of the config management stuff.= AUTOGEN does some tuning stuff. Other VMS bits do their bits.   J But the nice thing about sys_check was that it was one place to go for allJ of these things, and additionally it incorporated a huge amount of 'tribalE knowledge' - stuff which was important to know, but difficult to findn documented in the usual places.r   regards, john   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:10:34 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r/ Subject: Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU valuet; Message-ID: <01KTPE16T95U9FRD0S@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   A > > > $ifconfig -h for more help on the arameters you can change.- > > 2 > > Are there "native VMS commands" for the above? > - > ALPHA1>$ @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commandsr > ALPHA1>$ ifconfig -h  C Yes, I know about this.  However, for most TCPIP commands there arenD VMS-style versions of them.  Is there one for this command, perhaps 
 undocumented?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:08:08 -0400d0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU value/. Message-ID: <3E7887D7.70D8A7A@vl.videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:KE > Yes, I know about this.  However, for most TCPIP commands there areeE > VMS-style versions of them.  Is there one for this command, perhapsS > undocumented?/  K Well this one is documented as being the only way to "touch" the live TCPIPo: kernel, whereas the TCPIP> command touches configurations.  ( There is no way other than that command.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:16:49 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> / Subject: Re: TCPIP: how to change the MTU valuer; Message-ID: <01KTPSVZZ9TO9H1MPS@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  G > > Yes, I know about this.  However, for most TCPIP commands there are G > > VMS-style versions of them.  Is there one for this command, perhapsi > > undocumented?g > G > Well this one is documented as being the only way to "touch" the livenC > TCPIP kernel, whereas the TCPIP> command touches configurations.    C With TCPIP>, there are commands with and without CONFIGURATION; my eH understanding was that with CONFIGURATION it touches the configuration, . otherwise the dynamic value of the parameters.  + > There is no way other than that command. f  H I have heard that, unfortunately, for some commands the unix-style ones 4 are the only possibility.  Sic transit gloria mundi.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 02:25:25 -0500e: From: Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> Subject: Re: unixo7 Message-ID: <slrnb7g6r5.pun.shannon@news.widomaker.com>   ? In article <3E73CBF2.B051827A@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond wrote:m  ? > Actually, the PS/2 model 95 is *well* over ten years old now.t< > So IMHO it qualifies for <a.f.c.> inclusion. About four or  = Well... since all PCs are legacy designs from 1981, shouldn't- all of them qualify?   (evil laugh)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 02:26:48 -0500u: From: Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> Subject: Re: unixw7 Message-ID: <slrnb7g6to.pun.shannon@news.widomaker.com>z  M In article <b50gmi$25435a$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, Bill Gunshannon wrote:w  > >> ...just the computer part, no monitor or keyboard...for $108 >> each US. I did *not* see anyone rushing to buy one... > 0 > Thats because at $10 they were way overpriced.  E I don't know, some of them were nice as far as a MS-DOS machine goes.n  E I have some friends that still have theirs, and they still run great.L, Not many others from that era still running.  @ > Nope, Model 80's and Model 70's were 386's.  Actually, I don'tA > remember any PS/2's that had '286's in them.  BUt maybe we justC  . The PS/2 model 60 had them, and so did the 50.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:58:25 GMTe9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>e Subject: Re: unixe? Message-ID: <141c9dd54b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   2 In message <u5k85b.qmh.ln@innovative.iinet.net.au>?           Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:e  0 > Steve O'Hara-Smith <steveo@eircom.net> writes: > % > >On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:52:37 +0800o8 > >Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote: > J > >BF> I honestly think those "flash" developers use 640 x 480 resolution,H > >BF> or have screens with 1mm dot-pitch. A hi-res screen with < 0.25mm > B > >	I have seen how it happens. The developer usually has a prettyJ > >powerful machine with a dirty great monitor attached that they are usedG > >to doing artwork on. The job comes in to lay out the "look and feel" G > >for a site and part of the spec says "Must be viewable on an 800x600oI > >screen". So they turn the resolution down to 800x600 and start writingxD > >HTML and fiddling with CSS until it looks right in their Internet
 > >Exploiter.  > K > >BF> dot pitch and sized to suit, results in three-point print size; half 7 > >BF> the size of the classified ads in the newspaper.a > > > >	Yep, the intended resolution of the monitor used to lay itE > >out is probably 1600x1200 and dear old Windows sets up the bitmaps0 > >accordingly.r > J > >BF> The best solution is to let the webmasters know that you can't read/ > >BF> what the hell they do. And go elsewhere.e > D > >	These people are incapable of thought. Even when I explained theI > >problem and showed them the consequences all I got was "Oh yeah that's I > >pretty bad, but it's what the spec said to do and marketing signed off K > >on it so it must be OK.". I think the only way to make them get it rightnI > >would be to give them an ancient 800x600 laptop with a ten inch screenaK > >a P60 and Mosaic. If they can use the site on that the rest of us should  > >be OK :)a > * > You forgot about the 2400 bps modem. :-)  I Or give then an Internet TV. That will show up all the non-standard stuffM7 i.e. it won't show anything when stuff is non-standard.c   -- I
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/,   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 03 13:08:29 +0100) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)S Subject: Re: unixn) Message-ID: <rVbVb1W3SGtF@elias.decus.ch>t  E In article <b54huf$9gt$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:n= > In article <pan.2003.03.13.16.54.35.952717@nospam.invalid>,a0 >    "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote:   <snip>  E >>SUSE has been around for a while--I don't recall what it stands foraI >>either.  It's not clear whether they include the source CD in the basiclL >>package, but source is downloadable by anonymous ftp from their site.  You> >>can find a rundown on most of the various distributions fromD >><http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html>.  There are a lot of them. H >><http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/intro.shtml> has a walkthrough onH >>building a working linux system from source, assuming you already have( >>another machine with a working system. > E > One of my nefarious goals is to explore how imbedded the assumptiondF > 'web access' is. :-)  One of my starting assumptions is that I don'tD > have another machine with a working system.  The fact that this is. > a fact (no web access) is becoming annoying. >   @ Linux can be a complete nightmare without concurrent web access.B My early attempts were when I had no web access at home. ResolvingC problems typically involved printing stuff at work or putting it onnD a floppy to take home, only to find that it didn't solve my problem.  C I had started with a good book which came with a couple of CDs, buttE at the time I found it more or less impossible to find any good booksrB which went any further than a basic installation. So I invested inE the Profession version of Red Hat (6.0). The documentation which camei> with that was a total disappointment, and contained very basicE errors in the installation instructions (I had to resort to the first>  book to get the correct syntax).  C I struggled on and did get somewhere, but I was using it for littlesB more than a means to backup my Win98 partition. When I finally gotJ myself online at home, I went for SuSE 7.1 and found the documentation far@ superior. Until I got the networking side working I still had to) boot back into Windows to get at the web.o  E At this point I picked up a reasonable spec second hand system to put C Linux on, got myself online, and was in business. Star Office couldt9 read all the Windows stuff I threw at it and I was happy.m  E I then made the mistake of trying to upgrade to SuSE 8.0. The networkaD configuration program was so broken it needed an update, and without- a network how could I get it onto the system?s  F That was the point at which I gave up and bought a Mac with OSX (which wasn't painless either).  G My trials and tribulations brought me to the conclusion that concurrentrG web access was mandatory in order to get Linux up at the time I did it.d  C Another point here is that of hardware which only works on Windows.dF The dread "Winmodems" and cheapo network cards come to mind here. ManyG budget PCs come with such devices for which the only drivers available gB are for Windows, so you then get into buying bits of hardware too.  7 I hope this tale of woe doesn't put you off too much -)r   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2003 13:22:29 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: unixf6 Message-ID: <b59quk$26s7qv$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  7 In article <slrnb7g6to.pun.shannon@news.widomaker.com>, = 	Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> writes: O > In article <b50gmi$25435a$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, Bill Gunshannon wrote:  > ? >>> ...just the computer part, no monitor or keyboard...for $10-9 >>> each US. I did *not* see anyone rushing to buy one...0 >> m1 >> Thats because at $10 they were way overpriced.: > G > I don't know, some of them were nice as far as a MS-DOS machine goes.i > G > I have some friends that still have theirs, and they still run great.a. > Not many others from that era still running.   Your joking, right?s  D I have numerous computers from that period and older still woorking.
 Tandy 1000-TXi Tandy Model 16 Tandy Color Computer and best of all!!r Terak 8510 (several of them)  @ And then at work we still have (but seldom even turn on) a small handful of original IBM PC's.0  = I actually find it is the more modern computers that have thec= highest failure rates.  Numerous Gateways barely out of their 2 warranties have ended out in the dumpster already.   bill   -- dJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:40:40 -0000 % From: Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com>l Subject: Re: unixo. Message-ID: <v7h3roluset0f@corp.supernews.com>  D In alt.folklore.computers Paul Sture <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:B > Linux can be a complete nightmare without concurrent web access.  E Interesting - I've never "done" Linux without at least another box onc? the same LAN that could get out and talk to the outside world. p  I > My trials and tribulations brought me to the conclusion that concurrentiI > web access was mandatory in order to get Linux up at the time I did it.e  C I'd probably agree - and that's after using Linux pretty constantlyk
 since 0.12 ;)r   pete -- aE pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:43:18 -0000V% From: Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com>b Subject: Re: unixm/ Message-ID: <v7h40m8hc58149@corp.supernews.com>t  T In alt.folklore.computers Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > K > Or give then an Internet TV. That will show up all the non-standard stuff 9 > i.e. it won't show anything when stuff is non-standard.0 >   C Show them me using w3m or lynx and they'd probably cack their cargol pants!   pete -- eE pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHBp   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 09:37:52 +0100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)c: Subject: Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ?+ Message-ID: <QYj1LXL7pHGJ@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>g  l In article <PvNda.36850$8L1.414502@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:J > I installed MOZILLA M1.3 yesterday and unfortunately my problem with theJ > "shareable image mismatch" with the JAVA V1.4 OJI Plugin didn't go away. > G > 3 weeks ago, Colin let me believe, that M1.3 would fix it, by writingxI >    If you are using Java 1.4-0-1, please wait for Mozilla 1.3 final as eB >    there are some issues with Mozilla 1.2 and early 1.3 versions> > This is unfortunately not the case here. Why ? I don't know.1 > Maybe Colin was a little bit too optimistic ;-)  > O > Summary: if you want to use MOZILLA with JAVA plugin, better use JAVA V1.3-15R0 > Or does anyone have other/better experiences ? >   : I have it running (Mozilla 1.3b , Build ID: 2003020916)  :    Java(TM) Plug-in 1.4.0-1o  #     File name: libjavaplugin_oji.sot     Java(TM) Plug-in 1.4.0_03h  $ on VMS7.3   with VMS73_ACRTL-V0300 .  ( Maybe the C RTL version is the culprit ?   -- oN Joseph "Sepp" Huber   mailto:joseph.huber@web.de   http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:22:39 -0500p5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>e: Subject: Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ?2 Message-ID: <4G14PqZ8AJTbr1mM0lQwFSYu6mdH@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:57:51 GMT, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN'i LANGSTOEGER) wrote:y  I >I installed MOZILLA M1.3 yesterday and unfortunately my problem with theoI >"shareable image mismatch" with the JAVA V1.4 OJI Plugin didn't go away.e >aF >3 weeks ago, Colin let me believe, that M1.3 would fix it, by writing >aH >   If you are using Java 1.4-0-1, please wait for Mozilla 1.3 final as A >   there are some issues with Mozilla 1.2 and early 1.3 versionse > = >This is unfortunately not the case here. Why ? I don't know. 0 >Maybe Colin was a little bit too optimistic ;-) > N >Summary: if you want to use MOZILLA with JAVA plugin, better use JAVA V1.3-15/ >Or does anyone have other/better experiences ?c  6 I've installed Java V1.4.0-1 on both V7.2-2 and V7.3-17 systems will all relevant patches and I have no problem:6 using Mozilla V1.2-1.  I've not yet tried Mozilla V1.3   As follows:c     V7.2-2       VMS722_UPDATE-V0100s     VMS722_ACRTL-V0200     VMS722_LAN-V0300     VMS722_PTHREAD-V0100     VMS722_RMS-V0400     V7.3-1       VMS731_SYS-V0300     VMS731_ACRTL-V0100     VMS731_DCL-V0100     VMS731_F11X-V0100-     VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI-V0100n     VMS731_LINKER-V0100e     VMS731_PTHREAD-V0100     VMS731_RMS-V0100     VMS731_TDF-V0100  3 Compaq Secure Web Browser can only use Java V1.3.1.t   David R. Beattyn   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:48:55 GMTa( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>Q Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?r@ Message-ID: <7c0adb1f5b57c9a316cda3c7b0223aef@news.teranews.com>  K On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:28:40 GMT, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)h wrote:   [snip]   >>  J >> With lexical functions I so far only found the name of the current path) >> with "MPDEV_CURRENT_PATH" in F$GETDVI.s >> s [snip] > F >Sorry; you've found all the $getdvi support for multipath that exists >now.f >iJ >Since it's likely I'll be the one to implement whatever multipath-relatedN >info is returned by $getdvi, let me know what you'd like to see.  No promises! >about when it'll appear, though.r  K The thing at the top of my list is the ability to get all of the configuredo paths for a device.i   Thanks,m   Dave Harrold      N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204 I                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634 G Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999r 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 532152   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:45:54 GMT[/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)eQ Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?b- Message-ID: <xeyEdFTXpbPy@cuebid.zko.dec.com>a  * David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes: > Rob Brooks wrote:m  G >>Sorry; you've found all the $getdvi support for multipath that exists  >>now. >>K >>Since it's likely I'll be the one to implement whatever multipath-related O >>info is returned by $getdvi, let me know what you'd like to see.  No promisesm" >>about when it'll appear, though. > M > The thing at the top of my list is the ability to get all of the configuredb > paths for a device.   G Check out sys$device_path_scan.  Unfortunately, there is no DCL lexical.H equivalent.  Would a $getdvi item that returned all the path names in a ! comma-delimited string be useful?    -- w  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comn   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 09:59:28 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)oQ Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ? 3 Message-ID: <GU9NUJ7QhtAQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  k In article <7c0adb1f5b57c9a316cda3c7b0223aef@news.teranews.com>, David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes:iM > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:28:40 GMT, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)e > wrote: >  > [snip] >  >>> K >>> With lexical functions I so far only found the name of the current path.* >>> with "MPDEV_CURRENT_PATH" in F$GETDVI. >>>  > [snip] >>G >>Sorry; you've found all the $getdvi support for multipath that exists  >>now. >>K >>Since it's likely I'll be the one to implement whatever multipath-relatedeO >>info is returned by $getdvi, let me know what you'd like to see.  No promisesi" >>about when it'll appear, though. > M > The thing at the top of my list is the ability to get all of the configured  > paths for a device.  >   ? 	The thing at the top of my list would be to build dynamic loadgD 	balancing into path selection (I recall from reading elsewhere this 	is a work in progress).  D 	From what I know about PowerPath (EMC) and SecurePath, they performE 	dynamic load balancing.  With PowerPath on AIX , an hdisk becomes a p 	pdisk, etc.  & 	Question:  How will that work on VMS?  > 	I thought it would be a very sophisticated algorithm and then9 	another idea would be it could be as simple as measuring B 	queue depth and switching paths when it exceeds a threshold.  TheC 	smarts would be to switch on low IO rates and high queue depths asl= 	high IO rates and high queue depths usually go hand in hand.r  D 	Sometimes I think PowerPath, SecurePath (and whatever IBM's product@ 	is) are little more than flashy marketing (meaning dynamic loadD 	balancing is not really going to be a factor).  How can I say that?? 	Well most of these SAN structures I know of or read about havelB 	high port counts on the back-end OR have multiple storage modules: 	resulting in multiple ports on the back-end.  So the pathD 	from OS to storage really isn't being shared by anything other than? 	the same OS (mostly).  And yes, you better have bought enough rA 	switching/HBA infrastructure, yes you may not have the resources  	to to it "properly" or "well."   4 	I think it would be great if dynamic load balancing> 	worked.  We could monitor OPCOMs for switching to a path that= 	isn't working.  Most of us have two or more paths and dyamictB 	load balancing would actually tell us if a path went bad (insteadC 	of things being static and when you *really* need that path , comet 	to find out it is bad).   				Robi   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:07:43 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)nQ Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?x- Message-ID: <BR1c6Qe81A4I@cuebid.zko.dec.com>a  - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:o, > David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes:3 >> brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote:a  H >>>Sorry; you've found all the $getdvi support for multipath that exists >>>now.  >>>aL >>>Since it's likely I'll be the one to implement whatever multipath-relatedP >>>info is returned by $getdvi, let me know what you'd like to see.  No promises# >>>about when it'll appear, though.e >> eN >> The thing at the top of my list is the ability to get all of the configured >> paths for a device. >> o > A > 	The thing at the top of my list would be to build dynamic load F > 	balancing into path selection (I recall from reading elsewhere this > 	is a work in progress). 	lB 	V7.3-1 has a very lightweight approach to path balancing; we keepL track of the number of devices whose paths are current for every path.  WhenO we need to switch paths, we attempt to use the path that has the fewest devices J whose paths are current.  Also, as paths are discovered while booting, we H attempt to spread out the current paths among as many paths as possible.H This stuff was added at the very end of the coding for V7.3-1; we may beG able to do more in the future, but we're rather busy with other things.l  6 > 	I think it would be great if dynamic load balancing@ > 	worked.  We could monitor OPCOMs for switching to a path that? > 	isn't working.  Most of us have two or more paths and dyamiceD > 	load balancing would actually tell us if a path went bad (insteadE > 	of things being static and when you *really* need that path , comeM > 	to find out it is bad).  G The multipath poller will report on any paths that go bad.  Its primarydI purpose is to provide notification for unused paths that die.  It'll also3@ notify you about in-use paths that go south, but you'll also get< mount verification messages from in-use paths with problems.   -- .  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 12:37:13 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)cQ Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?m3 Message-ID: <thTSBfuwPMQV@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  _ In article <BR1c6Qe81A4I@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:2/ > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:y  B >> 	The thing at the top of my list would be to build dynamic loadG >> 	balancing into path selection (I recall from reading elsewhere thisa >> 	is a work in progress).  > 	iD > 	V7.3-1 has a very lightweight approach to path balancing; we keepN > track of the number of devices whose paths are current for every path.  WhenQ > we need to switch paths, we attempt to use the path that has the fewest devicesLL > whose paths are current.  Also, as paths are discovered while booting, we J > attempt to spread out the current paths among as many paths as possible.J > This stuff was added at the very end of the coding for V7.3-1; we may beI > able to do more in the future, but we're rather busy with other things.r >     A 	I did not know that.  Can we read about that mechanism anywhere?a    7 >> 	I think it would be great if dynamic load balancingiA >> 	worked.  We could monitor OPCOMs for switching to a path thate@ >> 	isn't working.  Most of us have two or more paths and dyamicE >> 	load balancing would actually tell us if a path went bad (insteaduF >> 	of things being static and when you *really* need that path , come >> 	to find out it is bad).n > I > The multipath poller will report on any paths that go bad.  Its primaryNK > purpose is to provide notification for unused paths that die.  It'll also B > notify you about in-use paths that go south, but you'll also get> > mount verification messages from in-use paths with problems. >    	I forgot about that.v 	e( 	You know... this VMS stuff is so sweet.   				Robi   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.154 ************************