1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 20 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 155       Contents:4 Re: %SYSTEM-F-BUGCHECK, internal consistency failure Re: Big Endian vs little Endian  Re: Carly's feedback link  Re: Carly's feedback link 9 DSPP Business Newsletter for North America, March edition * Re: Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg3 How do you Detect Ethernet failure from inside code 7 Re: How do you Detect Ethernet failure from inside code 7 Re: How do you Detect Ethernet failure from inside code 7 Re: How do you Detect Ethernet failure from inside code ( Re: How to check products install in VAX! Re: IBM starts to work on Power-5 ! Re: IBM starts to work on Power-5 ! Re: IBM starts to work on Power-5 ! Re: IBM starts to work on Power-5  Idea around OpenVMS Pearls Micromedex on VMS  Re: Micromedex on VMS * Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants( Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp, Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp, Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp Re: Nice update! OpenVMS SMP License Question1 Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants  Re: send mail from an intranet?  Suggestion about email abuse Suggestion for covert marketing # Re: Suggestion for covert marketing # Re: Suggestion for covert marketing # Re: Suggestion for covert marketing # Re: Suggestion for covert marketing # Re: Suggestion for covert marketing  System crash, should I worry ?" Re: System crash, should I worry ?" Re: System crash, should I worry ? This newsgroup Re: This newsgroup Re: This newsgroup Re: This newsgroup& Thursdays OpenVMS Pearl a little early* Re: Thursdays OpenVMS Pearl a little early* Re: Thursdays OpenVMS Pearl a little early* Re: Thursdays OpenVMS Pearl a little early Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix Re: unix vax help Re: vax help RE: vax help1 Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ? 1 Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ? H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?H Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:22:33 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>= Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-BUGCHECK, internal consistency failure / Message-ID: <3E78B559.3CEA42BC@vl.videotron.ca>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  > F > I mentioned a couple of days ago that I had written a DCL client forI > DynDNS.org.  It works, and runs fine most of the time, but occasionally ( > the corresponding batch job exits with > 5 >    %SYSTEM-F-BUGCHECK, internal consistency failure   K If you SET VERIFY, can you confirm where the bugcheck happens ? Would it be ; while LYNX is sending the HTTP transaction over to DYNDNS ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:48:38 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>( Subject: Re: Big Endian vs little Endian8 Message-ID: <u2mh7vc306uo2495aq3e30lsm32gmpgsbh@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:33:10 -0400, JF Mezei( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:  O >I think that the VMS engineers should settle this once and for all, and create " >a medium-endian operating system. > Q >Microsoft would Shirley follow with its revolutionary "random endian" system :-)   @ I've been anxiously awaiting the 10-little-endians chips myself.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:54:11 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: Carly's feedback linkJ Message-ID: <Dq7ea.177165$em1.164507@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com> Keywords: X-No-Archive: yes   9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87ptooqwgl.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 4 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: >  > E > > HP needs to tell the world that its product lineup is far greater F > > now. In 30 seconds, it could provide a full list of its enterprise > > OS products. > F > Two Alphaserver GSs standing intact in the dust cloud covering lower > Manhaten for instance? > . > "When you positivly really have to be there"    ? A commercial like that would offend a large bunch of Americans.     C But a commercial showing showing a smoking Baghdad and the message, E "For targeting information and BDA day or night - we use Alphaservers F from HP" would probably play very well in Bubbaville, TX.   As would a> picture of the server farms at Los Alamos saying, "We use HP's/ Alphaservers to help create America's own WMD."   D Funny how when anyone else has them, they're WMD's, yet when AmericaB has them they are simply 'nuclear devices'. Sounds more benign andE gentle that way. America's enemies keep their WMD in sinster sounding ? "bunkers", whereas America keeps its nuclear devices in "secure  storage facilities".   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:30:05 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: Carly's feedback link/ Message-ID: <3E78FD70.C37DDD31@vl.videotron.ca>    John Smith wrote: E > But a commercial showing showing a smoking Baghdad and the message, G > "For targeting information and BDA day or night - we use Alphaservers < > from HP" would probably play very well in Bubbaville, TX.   N Until the reports of significant % of missiles destroying the wrong dstination+ and killing hundreds of innocent civilians.   K We'll see ina few days how much damagae the fireworks expected tonight will 8 have caused.  Heard between 300 and 600 cruise missiles.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:23:32 -0500 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>B Subject: DSPP Business Newsletter for North America, March edition/ Message-ID: <3E78EDE4.32515.355CA3D5@localhost>   E From the latest HP DSPP partner newsletter.  Thanks for the support,   HP!   C > DSPP membership provides a valuable benefit for software partners A > considering porting to HP-UX to take advantage of the Itanium 2 < > architecture,. Whether it's Tru64 UNIX, OpenVMS or another? > operating system, our consultants will work with you over the C > telephone or via email, to analyze your application and operating E > environment and help you develop a porting strategy for moving that % > application to HP-UX for Itanium 2.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------C Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363  Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:07:12 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 3 Subject: Re: Error messages with MESSAGE/sys$putmsg ' Message-ID: <3E793060.355C1684@fsi.net>    Steve Young wrote: >  >   Hello all, > Q >   I'm trying to make use of sys$putmsg from within a .c program of mine. [snip]   G My wish list item would be either to have F$MESSAGE() honor the current D settings as returned by F$ENVIRONMENT( "MESSAGE" ), or an F$PUTMSG()  function that would do the same.  F It's rather a bloody pain to have to pass all that to a DCL subroutineD (GOSUB, CALL or "@") to keep from having tons of redundant code in a proc.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 11:44:03 -0800+ From: paul_hallam@hotmail.com (Paul Hallam) < Subject: How do you Detect Ethernet failure from inside code= Message-ID: <5ed44bd3.0303191144.126b3b43@posting.google.com>    Hi, E We use only TCPIP over one of our ethernet devices and need to detect E from within the program when the ethernet goes down e.g. the cable is  pulled out of the network card. @ The program only responds to customer communication and does not initiate any communication. F We must also assume that, because there are at least 6 systems, we can? not guarantee what switches, routers etc are between us and the 
 customers.  = Does anyone know how to detect the network failure using QIO.    I have tried :E 1) Sending a message to an IP address that I have made up on the spur C of the moment but, whether or not the ethernet cable is plugged in, A the only eror I get is "%SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not  currently reachable"  F 2) I have tried programming the loop back test as described in the I/OF users manual but I can't get it to work. I have had to translate the C3 code to Pascal but as I say I can't get it to work.   B 3) I have looked at the IO$_SENSEMODE, IO$M_RD_COUNT but I believeD this will only give me an error count and not tell me the network is definitely down.  A 4) I have looked at $GETDVI but again I don't believe the reuired  information is available.   % Any help would be gratefully received    Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:22:00 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>@ Subject: Re: How do you Detect Ethernet failure from inside code. Message-ID: <3E78DF73.5F5DD7E@vl.videotron.ca>   Paul Hallam wrote:? > Does anyone know how to detect the network failure using QIO.   X This was discussed not long ago. Try to ping a router at the other end of your ethernet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:21:05 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> @ Subject: Re: How do you Detect Ethernet failure from inside code' Message-ID: <3E7933A1.89C769DB@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Paul Hallam wrote:A > > Does anyone know how to detect the network failure using QIO.  > Z > This was discussed not long ago. Try to ping a router at the other end of your ethernet.  ' ...or try pinging your default gateway.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:58:47 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>@ Subject: Re: How do you Detect Ethernet failure from inside code/ Message-ID: <3E792E4C.81A19723@vl.videotron.ca>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:) > ...or try pinging your default gateway.   N Is there a way , from a program, to find out what the default gateway would beH ? Or would one have to spawn a TCPIP command and then parse its output ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:53:55 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> 1 Subject: Re: How to check products install in VAX ; Message-ID: <nq7ea.479$Po3.3578043@news-text.cableinet.net>   ? DIR SYS$HELP:*.R* gives you a clue as to what's been installed. 4 SYS$UPDATE: can sometimes contain useful information# PROD SHOW PROD * /FULL can help too ! So can the VMSINSTAL history file K SHOW LIC /BR gives you a clue as to what's actually licensed (assuming that 
 it uses PAKS) $ DIR SYS$STARTUP:*START*.COM can help5 DIR SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000...]*.EXE can be interesting % Looking at installed images is useful / Disembowelling DCLTABL:ES can be very revealing   8 Generally being inquisitive and devious helps a lot too.   -- Hope this helps. Cheers, Colin. ' (colinDOT.butcherAT@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk)    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 13:26:07 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) * Subject: Re: IBM starts to work on Power-5< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0303191326.148ebcb@posting.google.com>  g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E70FA1B.7E998371@vl.videotron.ca>... 0 > It is support to ge 4 times as fast as Power-4  F The quote was "On business computing tasks, the Power5 will be able toE perform four times the work of the existing Power4 processor, Zeitler  said."  D I've seen this stated in other quotes as "up to 4 times", so this is? apparently an estimate of the peak, not the average or typical,  increase over Power4.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:35:33 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>* Subject: Re: IBM starts to work on Power-52 Message-ID: <8f6dnaDSYd47f-WjXTWcqw@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:cf15391e.0303191326.148ebcb@posting.google.com...= > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message + news:<3E70FA1B.7E998371@vl.videotron.ca>... 2 > > It is support to ge 4 times as fast as Power-4 > H > The quote was "On business computing tasks, the Power5 will be able toG > perform four times the work of the existing Power4 processor, Zeitler  > said." > F > I've seen this stated in other quotes as "up to 4 times", so this isA > apparently an estimate of the peak, not the average or typical,  > increase over Power4.   J No, at least two different IBM spokemen have pretty clearly stated 4x, notG 'up to 4x'.  I tend to consider that somewhat optimistic (3x on average E should be fairly readily achievable, though), but that's what they're  saying.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 14:26:29 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) * Subject: Re: IBM starts to work on Power-5= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0303191426.6412d32e@posting.google.com>   g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E70FA1B.7E998371@vl.videotron.ca>... H > It is support to ge 4 times as fast as Power-4 and will scale up to 64 > processors in a machine. > 2 > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-984808.html?tag=rn  E "On business computing tasks, the Power5 will be able to perform four  times the work"   E Note this is carefully worded to reflect throughput, not speed.  Also > note the comparison is with the older Power4, not the Power4+.  @ It appears that the "4 times" estimate most likely comes from anC estimated 2x processor speed-up plus an estimated 2x from SMT.  For  example, from ZDnet:  B "It's still a shared-core design--as was the Power4--and this timeE around IBM has also endowed the CPU with simultaneous multithreading, D which is very similar to what Intel has implemented on its Pentium 4F Xeons.  Technically, that method doubles the processor's ability to doF work.  That's not usually the case in real life but, according to RaviF Arimilli, an IBM Fellow and the chief technology officer for the PowerD line of chips, IBM's implementation will deliver 2x performance.  OfC course, as a shared-core processor, that would effectively give the " Power5 a roughly 4x CPU standing."K http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2863929,00.html   D It's doubtful their SMT implementation will really achieve a full 2xD speed-up in real life.  A 2x speed-up in the chip itself is probablyC not so hard, considering they're doing a shrink and they've taken 2  years for the development work.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:03:48 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>* Subject: Re: IBM starts to work on Power-52 Message-ID: <w5qdndW5Qcn7mOSjXTWcoQ@metrocast.net>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0303191426.6412d32e@posting.google.com... = > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message + news:<3E70FA1B.7E998371@vl.videotron.ca>... J > > It is support to ge 4 times as fast as Power-4 and will scale up to 64 > > processors in a machine. > > 4 > > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-984808.html?tag=rn > G > "On business computing tasks, the Power5 will be able to perform four  > times the work"  > G > Note this is carefully worded to reflect throughput, not speed.  Also @ > note the comparison is with the older Power4, not the Power4+. > B > It appears that the "4 times" estimate most likely comes from anE > estimated 2x processor speed-up plus an estimated 2x from SMT.  For  > example, from ZDnet: > D > "It's still a shared-core design--as was the Power4--and this timeG > around IBM has also endowed the CPU with simultaneous multithreading, F > which is very similar to what Intel has implemented on its Pentium 4H > Xeons.  Technically, that method doubles the processor's ability to doH > work.  That's not usually the case in real life but, according to RaviH > Arimilli, an IBM Fellow and the chief technology officer for the PowerF > line of chips, IBM's implementation will deliver 2x performance.  OfE > course, as a shared-core processor, that would effectively give the $ > Power5 a roughly 4x CPU standing." > K http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2863929,00.html  > F > It's doubtful their SMT implementation will really achieve a full 2xF > speed-up in real life.  A 2x speed-up in the chip itself is probablyE > not so hard, considering they're doing a shrink and they've taken 2 ! > years for the development work.   J Hmmm.  I posted the following last week on this subject, but can't seem to find it now:  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E70FA1B.7E998371@vl.videotron.ca... I > IBM annoucned recently it had begun to run code on its new Power-5 chip  and ! > expects to boot Linux/AIX soon.  > H > It is support to ge 4 times as fast as Power-4 and will scale up to 64 > processors in a machine. > 2 > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-984808.html?tag=rn > K > So while Intel may be bragging about its IA64 version 2 competing against  an > old Power-4,  F They are indeed about equal in per-core performance, though each leadsC somewhat in certain areas.  Of course, the POWER4 is about twice as L efficient in use of power (each dual-core chip takes about the same power as the single-core Itanic2).   @  IBM seems to be on the verge of unleashing something which will% > put the IA64-2 back into its place.   L The POWER4+, which is already available, is already faster by most measures.J Madison should move back out in front of POWER4+ (though not by very much,J if IBM increases its clock rate as planned) this summer, but POWER5 shouldK regain the lead for IBM next year.  And through all this POWERx will retain + its significant power-efficiency advantage.    > ? > How long before Intel can quadruple the performance of IA64 ?   K 2005:  each of the two cores on Montecito should be about twice as powerful E as the current Itanic2, unless running both Montecito cores that fast K produces too much heat (not an unlikely possibility), in which case they'll I have to throttle them back somewhat (less performance, but it'll at least 4 help reduce power use to something more reasonable).  J Of course, if you meant quadruple *per-core* performance that's nowhere toE be seen (though the optimistic can hope the Alpha team's effort might F produce something of that nature in 2006 - 7).  Note that the POWER5'sG projected quadrupling of performance *is* on a per-core basis, but that K includes what I suspect may be a somewhat overly-generous estimate (2x) for L the contribution of POWER5's SMT capabilities.  Still, expecting each POWER5J core next year to offer about twice the performance of today's POWER4 coreL if SMT contributions are neglected, and about 3x the performance when SMT isK included in the calculation, doesn't seem at all unreasonable - which means L that in server applications (where SMT tends to be quite useful) POWER5 nextI year should offer about 1.5x the per-core performance and 3x the per-chip G performance of Madison/Madison II, and should be at least equal without 3 further changes to the dual-core Montecito in 2005.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 16:16:04 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) # Subject: Idea around OpenVMS Pearls = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303191616.4a797bef@posting.google.com>    Dear Newsgroup,   D As you know I try to do OpenVMS Pearls on a pretty regular basis.  I> actually started doing them last April so its almost a year. ID volunteered to do them because its the right thing to do for VMS andD our customer.  What do you think about maybe doing some sort of gameC around the pearls?  Ken Farmer is going to post them on comp.os.vms B maybe we could do a vote for the top ten or maybe we could do some' sort of document with the best of 2003?   ( Do you have any ideas, just let me know?  
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:34:02 -0700 $ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> Subject: Micromedex on VMS) Message-ID: <3E790C7A.94697BC5@cha.ab.ca>   E For those using Micromedex on VMS,  today I received information that ? this product will soon be no longer available on Alpha OpenVMS. A Micromedex was also end-of-lifed on other platforms, although not G necessarily at the same time.  I assume that there's very little chance ) that this product will be ported to IA64. G Our users have found Micromedex to be an extremely useful tool in their B work.  Is there a competitive product out there in the market at a reasonable price?      -- Lee   	 L Y T Mah    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:24:18 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Micromedex on VMS' Message-ID: <3E793462.9E8910EA@fsi.net>    Lee Y T Mah wrote: > G > For those using Micromedex on VMS,  today I received information that A > this product will soon be no longer available on Alpha OpenVMS. C > Micromedex was also end-of-lifed on other platforms, although not I > necessarily at the same time.  I assume that there's very little chance + > that this product will be ported to IA64. I > Our users have found Micromedex to be an extremely useful tool in their D > work.  Is there a competitive product out there in the market at a > reasonable price?    Sue?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:38:26 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Re: National Moratorium to Appease Tyrants H Message-ID: <Sb7ea.177040$em1.1091@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message . news:1030319122641.943A-100000@Ives.egh.com...& > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, JF Mezei wrote: > E > > So, the americans don't accept that another nation criticises its 	 policies, F > > and would never tolerate that another nation tells them that their leader is a C > > bozo that needs to be removed before the other nations take the  USA seriously. > > F > > Yet, the USA routinely does that to other nations. Bush called for	 Arafat to E > > leave. Bush called for Hussein to leave. Bush's cronies criticise 
 the french8 > > government to no end. The list goes on an on and on. > > D > > Seems that the only government the USA doesn't criticise is that
 of Israel.E > > And don't think Canada got away with its calling Bush Jr a moron.  Not longD > > after that, that USA imposed stiff sanctions on our wood product	 that help D > > build affordable homes in the USA. I think that wheat is next on	 the list. D > > Funny how the republicans, the ones who pushed for free trade so
 much, are the @ > > one who quickly forget free trade whenever it is convenient. > @ > The lumber tarrifs have nothing to do with Bush being a moron.? > They have to do with protecting profits of large contributors  > to the Bush campaign.  > @ > The tarrifs were imposed several years ago, or at least that'sA > when they first tried to impose them.  Maybe someone fought it, ? > and prevented them from going into effect until recently.  (I = > think they are probably a violation of NAFTA, but violating ( > treaties never seems to bother Dubya.)    D The US has twice before slapped tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber.C Each time the World Trade Organization has ruled the US action 100%  illegal.  F And each of these attempts had to be kicked 'upstairs' to the WTO evenD AFTER the NAFTA Tribunals had ruled against the US. The US continuedD to impose duties after the NAFTA dispute mechanism found in favor of* Canada until the WTO bitch-slapped the US.  C This 3rd attempt by the US will also be found to be in violation of 
 WTO rules.  @ This is what the US does to friends in order to appease domestic> political contributors. This is part of the reason why so many8 countries don't care for the way the US 'does business'.  F You are 100% correct in that violating international treaties seems toD be the national sport in the USA. And it's not just Bush - it's alsoD Congress who behave like a bunch of yahoo's when it comes to abiding by treaties.  F http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/distabase_wto_members1_e.h tm for the prior decisions. @ Click on Canada 'as complainant'. Read the Panel Reports for the	 analysis.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 16:29:25 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) 1 Subject: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp = Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303191629.2f8ebdc0@posting.google.com>   = The next Advanced Technical Bootcamp is Nov 11-14.  I am very B interested in what topics you think you would like to see.  Please< send me mail directly at susan.skonetski@hp.com actually any( suggestions are welcome not just topics.   Warm Regards as always,  sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:47:10 -0600 & From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net>5 Subject: Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp / Message-ID: <v7i7d1aruglbd9@corp.supernews.com>   E Seems like there is much in the way of confusion wrt EFI, the Itanium  Extensible Firmware Interface.    > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0303191629.2f8ebdc0@posting.google.com... ? > The next Advanced Technical Bootcamp is Nov 11-14.  I am very D > interested in what topics you think you would like to see.  Please> > send me mail directly at susan.skonetski@hp.com actually any* > suggestions are welcome not just topics. >  > Warm Regards as always,  > sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:45:14 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 5 Subject: Re: Next OpenVMS Advanced Technical Bootcamp ' Message-ID: <3E79394A.33AEBF7E@fsi.net>    Dave Gudewicz wrote: > G > Seems like there is much in the way of confusion wrt EFI, the Itanium   > Extensible Firmware Interface.  G Indeed. If I could unearth enough info. about it, I'd propose a session H including that and comparing it to Alpha SRM and VAX-7000 console, among: other topics, for HP World (successor to DECUS Symposium).   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 16:09:07 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)  Subject: Re: Nice update! ; Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303191609.70e548@posting.google.com>    Brian and John,   F Once I see your other replys to this message I would like to use it as$ and OpenVMS Pearl what do you think?  
 Warm Regards,  Sue   R brandon@dalsemi.com wrote in message news:<03031912444535@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>...M > > I have a little old Alphaserver 1000 4/233 as part of a cluster, with the P > > remaining 10 machines all VAXes.  The VAXes are running V7.2.  (I'll installK > > 7.3 in the near future.)  The Alpha ran V6.2.  I wanted to get a lottle C > > experience with 7.3, so decided to install V7.3-1 on the Alpha.  > > K > > Wow!  Prior to the upgrade, the Alpha was quite sluggish.  Now it steps . > > along quite smartly.  I'm glad I did this. > P > V6.2 to V7.3-1 is a big upgrade - did you wipe out the disk and start fresh orQ > did you perform a rolling upgrade?  An init of your disk drives could have made  > a difference.  > N > I am not doubting the V7.3 performance increase - I am looking forward to it > also!  >  > John Brandon > VMS Systems Administrator  > Dallas Semiconductor > john.brandon@dalsemi.com > 972.371.4172 wk  > 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:29:16 GMT ' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> % Subject: OpenVMS SMP License Question ) Message-ID: <3E78EF3C.A060A8E4@uiowa.edu>   J How do I tell if my system has an SMP license installed or not?  Is this aM LMF entry?  I am looking into aquiring a new GS60 6/525 dual CPU module to go K along with my current one (4 CPUs total then) and I was told I would need a  SMP license.  L I have upgraded/added CPUs in other systems long ago but don't remember everL literally adding anything into any database anywhere.  It just worked when I" plugged it in and turned it on. :)   Thanks!  Rick  . (currently OpenVMS v7.2-1, going to v7.3 soon)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 00:43:12 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> : Subject: Re: OT Re: National Moratorium to Appease TyrantsI Message-ID: <A88ea.177549$em1.74401@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:+$W2ru0nREI9@elias.decus.ch...  > In articleD <BMwca.132533$em1.24854@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  > > - > > "GcE" <Everhart@gce.com> wrote in message ) > > news:b4tvlq$7q8$1@bob.news.rcn.net...  > >> John Smith wrote:B > >> > "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message> > >> > news:b096a4ee.0303131620.664fbe5c@posting.google.com... > >> >< > >> >>"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message > >>, > >> [long carefully-argued posting clipped] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >E > >> Simple question. Since the address and name used here don't work E > >> I'm wondering why there is no real address, and possibly no real ; > >> name here? I don't recall anyone in this forum posting  anonymously D > >> so much...and I have tried to send email to this name (bounced, as > >> I feared it would). > >  > > a) No requirement to. D > > b) Some of my customers visit this forum. Sometime personal/work views  > > are best kept separate.  > >  > . > Unfortunately that is a very one sided view. > < > You are effectively denying us the right to reply offline. > A > If you can go to the effort to disguise yourself online, surely B > creating an anonymous email address is not too difficult for you	 > either.  > A > Put plainly, I find it bad manners that you flood our newsgroup @ > with political views and hp bashing but little or no technicalA > content, and at the same time deny us the opportunity to answer  > your points offline.     Paul,   F I supply no more political views than anyone else who has participated? in this thread. Sure I provide my share of opinions, but I also D provide a great deal of verifiable facts too. I would point out that@ Bill Todd began the recent discussion on the Mideast - many haveE participated in it, and the thread was clearly marked so anyone could 1 choose not to delve into it if they chose not to.   ? If 'editorializing' posts with some reference to politics is an . offence, then many of us here have are guilty.    : I bash HP as I see they deserve it. Just as other here do.B I was not a fan of the decision to kill Alpha - a belief that many here also shared. D I was not a fan of the merger - a belief that many here also shared.C I've never criticized VMS Engineering, only Compaq/HP's lack of VMS  marketing and advertising.D Many of us are skeptical of exactly what will happen to VMS when the@ Intel porting money is used up, and would like to have a clearerA statement, either a simple "Read my lips. No new features.", or a C "Send your prioritized laundry list of new features to us and we'll 9 add the top 30 requests each year for the next 30 years."   B I write Stallard, Carly, Marcello, et al. to offer opinions - someC soft and gentle, some not so gentle; to tell of what customers tell F me, tell sales reps of opportunities where I think VMS can be sold. OrE do you want me to post that here so Andrew can tell the local Sun rep E to call on the potential customer with a bunch of 'Why VMS is no good  for your company' literature?   C I offer many ideas to improve marketing and visibility of VMS, some ? serious, some tongue-in-cheek, just as other here do. You might A consider that to be 'sniping', but maybe it will give a seemingly : comatose HP some prodding to the point where they actuallyD market/advertise VMS. I have no idea what actually 'motivates' HP toE do what it does with respect to not marketing/advertise VMS - do you? @ It's a serious question. Name one other company that has taken a4 multi-billion dollar asset and failed to promote it.  F To a large extent we are in maintenance mode with our VMS code becauseE we find it very hard to push on a rope to market VMS for HP. It is HPdD who should be pulling us and the customer base along. Our use of VMSC has lessened over the years, as it is harder and harder to convincenD our customers that a VMS solution is better for them, even though it@ technically is, and even though we would much prefer to use VMS.  C You want me to jump in with technical advice? My view is that there ? are others here who are pushing the envelope with VMS and largeoF installations more than we are and encounter more problems that we do.@ Our problems tend to be ones of skimming the doc set and missing> something we should have read rather than finding real bugs orE limitations in VMS. Again, we are mostly in maintenance mode with our E VMS apps, adding new application features as needed but not ones that F stress the o/s - hopefully that will soon change with a new app we are, pushing a customer to let us build for them.  E I have conversed in e-mail and by telephone with some who participateiC in C.o.v.. If you want to communicate off-line, ask. Forgive me foruE saying so, but as to your point about 'the right to reply off-line' -eF think of it as meeting a attractive woman and asking for her telephone? number - it's her right to give it to you or not, solely at hery discretion.m   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:28:11 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org( Subject: Re: send mail from an intranet?) Message-ID: <03031914281183@antinode.org>h  9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  8 > > 2. you have to rely on a dyndns.org or such provider > J > True.  On the other hand, you have to rely on a DNS server for a static K > IP as well.  Of course, you could run your own DNS, but in that case you  > > need at least two static IP addresses on different networks.  G    Why?  Antinode.org has a single static address (209.98.249.184), andf: I provide my own primary DNS (with my ISP as a secondary).  D > My experience is that DynDNS.org is more reliable than my ISP who 1 > currently provides me with a static IP address.3  G    My experience with my ISP has been most satisfactory.  (Which may be: of no use to you, of course.)a   > > 3. the address changes > G > True, this makes things more difficult.  However, this is relatively  ' > painless if one has an update client.   G    Relative to what?  I think that relative to not ever having to thinke) about it, it's at least slightly painful.n  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547N   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 00:20:31 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Suggestion about email abusee/ Message-ID: <3E79416F.974EA6A4@vl.videotron.ca>.  K 2 People have so far replied to the abusive message that had been sent witht* all sorts of (false) accusations about me.  J The original had at least the x-noarchive set. But your two replies didn'tJ have those have made it to google with the offensive title refering to me.  M PLEASE , PLEASE, NEVER REPLY TO ABUSE MESSAGE ON A NEWSGROUP BECAUSE YOU ONLYi PROPAGATE THAT ABUSE EVEN MORE.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:20:48 -0400o0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>( Subject: Suggestion for covert marketing/ Message-ID: <3E78B4F0.3D9856BC@vl.videotron.ca>A  J No, this isn't to market john covert (is he still with the VMS group ?)...  N Looking at the IBM advertisement of their universal business adaptor, wouldn'tM it have been nice if their had include "your VMS servers and workstations" ina* the list of things the UBA has plugs for ?  L Can you imagine the success Sue would have if she managed to convince IBM toL include VMS in their advertising , bypassing the Carly edict that VMS cannot be mentioned in HP ads ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:50:38 +0100 4 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr>, Subject: Re: Suggestion for covert marketing& Message-ID: <3E78D81E.2010501@Free.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:e  K >No, this isn't to market john covert (is he still with the VMS group ?)...  >  r >f" Afaik, yes. http://www.covert.org/   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 16:01:50 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)h, Subject: Re: Suggestion for covert marketing= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303191601.7ffb7a14@posting.google.com>e  E Well JF I can actually say I would love the chance.  For 2 reasons 1.sD VMS is a great product, IBM does some really good marketing and even6 if people do not like IBM they usually listen to them.   suer    g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E78B4F0.3D9856BC@vl.videotron.ca>...DL > No, this isn't to market john covert (is he still with the VMS group ?)... > P > Looking at the IBM advertisement of their universal business adaptor, wouldn'tO > it have been nice if their had include "your VMS servers and workstations" ine, > the list of things the UBA has plugs for ? > N > Can you imagine the success Sue would have if she managed to convince IBM toN > include VMS in their advertising , bypassing the Carly edict that VMS cannot > be mentioned in HP ads ?   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 16:06:20 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)a, Subject: Re: Suggestion for covert marketing= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303191606.37e92e11@posting.google.com>-   And yes John is still here.c   sue     g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E78B4F0.3D9856BC@vl.videotron.ca>...sL > No, this isn't to market john covert (is he still with the VMS group ?)... > P > Looking at the IBM advertisement of their universal business adaptor, wouldn'tO > it have been nice if their had include "your VMS servers and workstations" ine, > the list of things the UBA has plugs for ? > N > Can you imagine the success Sue would have if she managed to convince IBM toN > include VMS in their advertising , bypassing the Carly edict that VMS cannot > be mentioned in HP ads ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:18:18 -0600S1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>d, Subject: Re: Suggestion for covert marketing' Message-ID: <3E7932FA.68868389@fsi.net>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > G > Well JF I can actually say I would love the chance.  For 2 reasons 1.RF > VMS is a great product, IBM does some really good marketing and even8 > if people do not like IBM they usually listen to them.  D I've said it for years: the reason why IBM has been so successful inA spite of major corporate faux pas is that IBM is *NOT* a computer(E company - IBM is a *MARKETING* company that sells computers and a lot) more.    -- G David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:27:40 GMTr# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>y, Subject: Re: Suggestion for covert marketingH Message-ID: <Myaea.89722$a41.34859@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0303191601.7ffb7a14@posting.google.com...rD > Well JF I can actually say I would love the chance.  For 2 reasons 1.F > VMS is a great product, IBM does some really good marketing and even8 > if people do not like IBM they usually listen to them.     Buy IBM's marketing department.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:36:42 -0400t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>' Subject: System crash, should I worry ? / Message-ID: <3E78E2E5.C59A82CD@vl.videotron.ca>i  N Just as I had pressed "SEND" on my MAC to send an email via the SMTP server onL one of my VAXES, I heard plenty of bells of whistles on the cluster concole,B and to my dismay, saw all the cluster transition messages. :-( :-(  5 The workstation had faled and was starting to reboot.   L Below is the error log from it. Is this something that is likely to be a bugD in the TCPIP services (5.3 on VAX 7.2), or just a glitch because the- workstation just doesn't have enough memory ?r  N Damned, just when I was starting to get an uptime that was halfway to becoming respectable :-(   N ******************************* ENTRY    2888. *******************************O  ERROR SEQUENCE 12709.                           LOGGED ON:        SID 0A000004dO  DATE/TIME 19-MAR-2003 16:38:05.79                            SYS_TYPE 04010002    SYSTEM UPTIME: 49 DAYS 04:12:32K  SCS NODE: BIKE                                                VAX/VMS V7.22  &  FATAL BUGCHECK  KA420  CPU FW REV# 5.  &  PGFIPLHI, Pagefault with IPL too high  $        PROCESS NAME    TCPIP$INETACP          PROCESS ID      00010017l          ERROR PC        80738DB5:        ERROR PSL       00080000tE                                        INTERRUPT PRIORITY LEVEL = 08.y=                                        PREVIOUS MODE = KERNEL-<                                        CURRENT MODE = KERNEL<                                        FIRST PART DONE CLEAR   etcH   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:31:40 GMT.1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>H+ Subject: Re: System crash, should I worry ?e2 Message-ID: <3E79425D.1BEFEB23@firstdbasource.com>   JF Mezei wrote:g > P > Just as I had pressed "SEND" on my MAC to send an email via the SMTP server onN > one of my VAXES, I heard plenty of bells of whistles on the cluster concole,D > and to my dismay, saw all the cluster transition messages. :-( :-( > 7 > The workstation had faled and was starting to reboot., > N > Below is the error log from it. Is this something that is likely to be a bugF > in the TCPIP services (5.3 on VAX 7.2), or just a glitch because the/ > workstation just doesn't have enough memory ?J > P > Damned, just when I was starting to get an uptime that was halfway to becoming > respectable :-(d > P > ******************************* ENTRY    2888. *******************************Q >  ERROR SEQUENCE 12709.                           LOGGED ON:        SID 0A0000040Q >  DATE/TIME 19-MAR-2003 16:38:05.79                            SYS_TYPE 04010002 " >  SYSTEM UPTIME: 49 DAYS 04:12:32M >  SCS NODE: BIKE                                                VAX/VMS V7.2  > ( >  FATAL BUGCHECK  KA420  CPU FW REV# 5. > ( >  PGFIPLHI, Pagefault with IPL too high > & >        PROCESS NAME    TCPIP$INETACP > ! >        PROCESS ID      00010017N > ! >        ERROR PC        80738DB5y! >        ERROR PSL       00080000eG >                                        INTERRUPT PRIORITY LEVEL = 08.p? >                                        PREVIOUS MODE = KERNEL > >                                        CURRENT MODE = KERNEL> >                                        FIRST PART DONE CLEAR >  > etc.  D IIRC there has been a patch very recently that would address this..   - go into ANAL/CRASH and give us the output of a   SDA> CLUE CRASH2   to confirm.m -- t Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163b   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:57:23 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>+ Subject: Re: System crash, should I worry ?P/ Message-ID: <3E793C04.7CBE55FA@vl.videotron.ca>s   Michael Austin wrote:lE > IIRC there has been a patch very recently that would address this..t  L Thanks. May have to lookup the patches  for TCPIP services. Last I checked ,Q there was still no mention of their fixing the SLIP interface so I didn't bother.e   > . > go into ANAL/CRASH and give us the output of >  > SDA> CLUE CRASH3  D This is VAX. CLUE doesn't exist :-( Is it SHOW CRASH that you want ?   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 16:32:17 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)c Subject: This newsgroups= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303191632.62a85db8@posting.google.com><  F In case I have not mentioned in lately, I just wanted to say thank youB for being you.  Thank you for your help, your honesty and zeal for VMS.  
 Sue Skonetski   OpenVMS Technical field programs susan.skonetski@hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:42:54 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> Subject: Re: This newsgroupt/ Message-ID: <3E790E7C.FE21BCD3@vl.videotron.ca>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > H > In case I have not mentioned in lately, I just wanted to say thank youD > for being you.  Thank you for your help, your honesty and zeal for > VMS.  " Conclusion: Sue is a masochist :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:45:38 -0600l& From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@arrl.net> Subject: Re: This newsgroup0/ Message-ID: <v7i7a75dd2q5bc@corp.supernews.com>s   You are very welcome Sue.o  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0303191632.62a85db8@posting.google.com...cH > In case I have not mentioned in lately, I just wanted to say thank youD > for being you.  Thank you for your help, your honesty and zeal for > VMS. >  > Sue Skonetski " > OpenVMS Technical field programs > susan.skonetski@hp.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:23:29 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: This newsgroupeJ Message-ID: <BC9ea.298022$UXa.191271@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0303191632.62a85db8@posting.google.com...oD > In case I have not mentioned in lately, I just wanted to say thank youwD > for being you.  Thank you for your help, your honesty and zeal for > VMS. >u > Sue Skonetski " > OpenVMS Technical field programs > susan.skonetski@hp.com    F We realized that you are often constrained by HP policy as to what youD can/cannot communicate. Thanks for keeping us informed to the extent? that you do, and thanks also go to those Ambassadors and to VMSfD Engineering staff who chime in from time to time with direct answersF and thoughts on development nuances. It sure is a lot more informative! than listening to sales critters.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 14:16:56 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)m/ Subject: Thursdays OpenVMS Pearl a little earlyi= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303191416.22d90a77@posting.google.com>    -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan  ' Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:12 PM  To: Skonetski, SusanB Subject: OpenVMS on Itanium at CeBIT 2003 - OpenVMS Pearl Thursday Marchb$ 20th - OK for external communication Importance: High  E This OpenVMS Pearl is a little early (depending on your time zone)butPC I thought it was well worth it. And a great way to start/end a day..  < Thanks to John Egolf who sent the picture and the following:  A Thomas Siebold and Larry Bonnette deserve all the credit (besideslE OpenVMS engineering of course) for being able to show this at CeBIT. aA The stated attendance at CeBIT was > 600,000 people (no typo, sixpB hundred thousand people), of course not all saw OpenVMS on IPF :-)  D If you visit the attached you will be able to see OpenVMS on Itanium3 at CeBIT 2003 (click on the picture to see details)r  *  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/boot/index.html  
 Warm Regards,l Sueo   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:17:13 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>p3 Subject: Re: Thursdays OpenVMS Pearl a little early I Message-ID: <ZT6ea.176887$em1.67004@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>e  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0303191416.22d90a77@posting.google.com...o > -----Original Message----- > From: Skonetski, Susan) > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:12 PMs > To: Skonetski, SusanD > Subject: OpenVMS on Itanium at CeBIT 2003 - OpenVMS Pearl Thursday > Marchi& > 20th - OK for external communication > Importance: High > > > This OpenVMS Pearl is a little early (depending on your time zone)butE > I thought it was well worth it. And a great way to start/end a day.  >e> > Thanks to John Egolf who sent the picture and the following: >hC > Thomas Siebold and Larry Bonnette deserve all the credit (besidesiF > OpenVMS engineering of course) for being able to show this at CeBIT.C > The stated attendance at CeBIT was > 600,000 people (no typo, sixnD > hundred thousand people), of course not all saw OpenVMS on IPF :-) >eF > If you visit the attached you will be able to see OpenVMS on Itanium5 > at CeBIT 2003 (click on the picture to see details)e >p, >  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/boot/index.html    C A few questions for those who were at CeBIT -- just how prominentlyeC was OpenVMS featured at the HP booth - aside from the pictures thatu Sue has provided the link for?  C 1) Was the technology demo the only mention of VMS at the HP booth?s   If not,n   2) Was VMS featured: a) less than HP-UX?8 b) about the same as HP-UX?I c) more than HP-UX?a   3) Was VMS featured:# a) less than Linux at the HP booth?,+ b) about the same as Linux at the HP booth?e# c) more than Linux at the HP booth?t   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Mar 2003 18:14:19 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)t3 Subject: Re: Thursdays OpenVMS Pearl a little earlys= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303191814.6cc04f3a@posting.google.com>u   John,4  E If you would like to let me know why you need this information I willl% do my best to research the questions.    thanks,  sueo    t "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<ZT6ea.176887$em1.67004@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...@ > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message9 > news:857e9e41.0303191416.22d90a77@posting.google.com...  > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Skonetski, Susan+ > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:12 PMo > > To: Skonetski, SusanF > > Subject: OpenVMS on Itanium at CeBIT 2003 - OpenVMS Pearl Thursday	 > > Marchh( > > 20th - OK for external communication > > Importance: High > >i@ > > This OpenVMS Pearl is a little early (depending on your time >  zone)but'G > > I thought it was well worth it. And a great way to start/end a day.c > >,@ > > Thanks to John Egolf who sent the picture and the following: > >eE > > Thomas Siebold and Larry Bonnette deserve all the credit (besidescH > > OpenVMS engineering of course) for being able to show this at CeBIT.E > > The stated attendance at CeBIT was > 600,000 people (no typo, sixdF > > hundred thousand people), of course not all saw OpenVMS on IPF :-) > >oH > > If you visit the attached you will be able to see OpenVMS on Itanium7 > > at CeBIT 2003 (click on the picture to see details)y > >W. > >  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/boot/index.html >  > E > A few questions for those who were at CeBIT -- just how prominentlyeE > was OpenVMS featured at the HP booth - aside from the pictures thate  > Sue has provided the link for? > E > 1) Was the technology demo the only mention of VMS at the HP booth?p > 	 > If not,r >  > 2) Was VMS featured: > a) less than HP-UX?  > b) about the same as HP-UX?  > c) more than HP-UX?i >  > 3) Was VMS featured:% > a) less than Linux at the HP booth?9- > b) about the same as Linux at the HP booth?@% > c) more than Linux at the HP booth?I   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:26:47 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 3 Subject: Re: Thursdays OpenVMS Pearl a little earlyrH Message-ID: <Xxaea.89714$a41.71881@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0303191814.6cc04f3a@posting.google.com...d > John,  >tB > If you would like to let me know why you need this information I will' > do my best to research the questions.p >n	 > thanks,e > sued     Sue,  B You don't have to research it. Several other's here have said that< they were there...perhaps they can give their impressions as
 customers.  = It's only to gauge how HP is positioning VMS publicly when it@D *chooses* to give it some visibility. Presumably trade shows are theF one place where HP sees exactly the type of person they want to target? for all manner of products and services (though I would tend toAB disagree as the CEO seldom goes to trade shows). But let's for the< moment assume that trade shows are as 'targeted' as it gets.  E CeBIT had 600,000 attendees +/- a bit. Not all of them came to the HPuC booth or even walked by it. Of those that did, what percentage were B looking for operating systems?  50%? 100%? I don't know. So now weD have to look at the signal/noise ratio of VMS vs. everything else HPC had on offer vis-a-vis operating systems. Was the 'technology demo'JD able to register in any way on those who didn't specifically come toB see/talk about VMS? Was there signage saying that VMS is the idealD platform for anything? I wasn't there so I don't know. I don't go to CeBit.  D And unfortunately I won't be at the SIA show in NYC this year due to= family commitments, nor will I be at Sibos this year...but my F customers will be  [ SIA = US Securities Industry Association, Sibos =B I've forgotten the acronym but it's the SWIFT and other inter-bankC showcase ] -- deep-pocketed customers, no credit risk, need lots ofhF big systems - ideal customers for VMS. I know that Sun and IBM will be: there. So will HP, but will VMS be visibly promoted there?  C It's tough to speak to customers who have been at the trade fairs IpC have not been able to attend, who have more 'knowledge', or shall IeC say 'seen with their own eyes' the efforts companies use to promote @ their various offerings. If I walk into a prospective customer's? office to talk about doing development on VMS or sell one of my E specialized packages, and say that I really recommend VMS as the o/s,-E and they say to me , "We were at [insert trade show name here] and we B didn't see anything or very little about VMS." that puts me and myF software at more than a little perceptual disadvantage, to say nothingF of what the customer thinks about HP and VMS, if they even think about them at all.  < I look at a lot of my customers and many of them now have ITC department heads, operations people, or line-of-business people whoaE are younger than I am, who have never heard of VMS. They went throughoE college/university never seeing VMS on campus, never had it discussedtB even in compsci classes as an example even as simply a contrast toF Unix or Windows, never seen it installed and working faultlessly. It'sD a very hard sell to even get them thinking about what advantages VMSE provides when they have no pre-existing knowledge of VMS, ie. no minda share.  B Should it necessarily be my responsibility to educate the customerE about VMS? Perhaps to some extent, but I believe that the first seeds @ have to be planted by HP. And that unfortunately is not what I'm seeing.d  D I have apps to sell and my time and expertise to sell. I'd prefer toE sell them on VMS, but when I have to invest a lot more effort just toi@ explain what VMS is and to overcome resistance/reluctance of theF customer to using their valuable time to do this, I'd have to say that@ my time is better spent on selling my apps and time/expertise onD whichever o/s the customer will pay me to spend my time on. Maybe HPC feels the same way too, and perhaps that's why there's not real VMSoE advertising/marketing...perhaps the years of neglect have made it too E late and too costly to rebuild mind share for VMS. I just don't know.uD But that's why I wanted to hear about 'user' perceptions of how much) (or little) HP made VMS visible at CeBit.a  ? I'd have asked a good friend of mine what he thought of the VMSeC presence at the HP booth but he was there manning his own booth and + didn't have time to wander by the HP booth.h   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 2003 19:12:37 GMT( From: stanb45@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr) Subject: Re: unixo= Message-ID: <slrnb7hfju.3od.stanb45@citadel.metropolis.local>r  G On 19 Mar 03 13:08:29 +0100, Paul Sture <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:t >>   >rA >Linux can be a complete nightmare without concurrent web access.vC >My early attempts were when I had no web access at home. ResolvingtD >problems typically involved printing stuff at work or putting it onE >a floppy to take home, only to find that it didn't solve my problem.e >n   Me too!f   >eD >I struggled on and did get somewhere, but I was using it for little1 >more than a means to backup my Win98 partition. e  E My Linux experience started pre-Win95...got it all working eventually-D mostly by reading my SVR3 books and a little cut-and-try and reading9 of source code.  It was a steep learning curve though :-)t   -- h Cheers, ( Stan Barr         stanb45@dial.pipex.com( **Remove the digits from email address**   The future was never like this!    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 03 10:50:09 -0800/ From: "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>3 Subject: Re: unixr3 Message-ID: <2404.208T485T6503698@kltpzyxm.invalid>x  ? In article <rVbVb1W3SGtF@elias.decus.ch> p_sture@elias.decus.ch@ (Paul Sture) writes:   [horror story snipped]  H >My trials and tribulations brought me to the conclusion that concurrentH >web access was mandatory in order to get Linux up at the time I did it.  B Without denying your tale of woe (shit happens, after all), let meE reassure you and Barb that it isn't always that way.  A few years agotF I picked up a second-hand laptop (P133, 48MB memory, 1.3GB hard drive)F and decided to make it my entry point into Linux.  I went to the localG bookstore, scanned all their Linux books, and selected the book I liked-E best.  It turned out to be by Patrick Volkerding et al, and came with C CDs for Slackware 3.5.  I popped the first CD into my laptop and itdE booted right up - so I performed an exorcism on the hard drive (whoseGE final step consisted of peeling the "Designed for Windows 95" stickerw@ off the machine) and the installation ran pretty much painlesslyC (except for a few sticky bits in the X configuration, which I oftenl; don't use anyway).  It's a good solid little Linux box now.,  F Although web access might be handy from time to time (I picked up someF good X configuration tidbits from URLs in my book), just being able toE access newsgroups gets you a long way.  Check out comp.os.linux.setup + and comp.os.linux.networking, for instance.r  B On the other hand, my stock Win98 box is a piece of crap, crashing4 and locking up all the time.  Your mileage may vary.  D >Another point here is that of hardware which only works on Windows.G >The dread "Winmodems" and cheapo network cards come to mind here. Many G >budget PCs come with such devices for which the only drivers availablerC >are for Windows, so you then get into buying bits of hardware too.a  B A modem is a little box with lights on it and a DB-25 connector onC the back, and talks Hayes protocol.  (It also has a power switch so(A you can prevent sneaky programs or operating systems from dialingwC out when you're not looking.)  And you haven't even mentioned thosel horrid "Winprinters"...   8 >I hope this tale of woe doesn't put you off too much -)  @ Go for it, Barb!  There are lots of us here willing to help you.   --, /~\  cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)= \ /  I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. @  X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.F / \  HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored.  Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Mar 03 11:22:13 -0800/ From: "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>n Subject: Re: unix.3 Message-ID: <1216.208T671T6824252@kltpzyxm.invalid>-  F In article <b59quk$26s7qv$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de> bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:c  > >I actually find it is the more modern computers that have the> >highest failure rates.  Numerous Gateways barely out of their3 >warranties have ended out in the dumpster already.t  E That's because their engineers have finally figured out exactly where B and how much to cut corners so that a machine makes it through theE warranty period and no further.  I suppose you could call this a signm of maturity in any industry.  E Back in the late '60s I overheard someone describing how he got TimexnF watches for each of his three sons.  All three watches made it throughE the one-year warranty period, but not one lasted 13 months.  Computer0B manufacturers are just now figuring out what those watchmakers had mastered 35 years ago.  B (On the other hand, even Timex had to start over when watches wentA digital.  My cheapo 20-year-old Timex digital takes a licking andh keeps on... uhh...)e   --, /~\  cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs)= \ /  I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way.o@  X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.F / \  HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored.  Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:39:06 GMTr+ From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>2 Subject: Re: unixg) Message-ID: <uy93brswy.fsf@earthlink.net>i  1 "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:oD > (On the other hand, even Timex had to start over when watches wentC > digital.  My cheapo 20-year-old Timex digital takes a licking andn > keeps on... uhh...)e  C i got one of the original casio databank things .... the failure iseC the band. the newer databanks have this light button which seems to F get hit enuf accidentally to cut the battery life by possibly a factorE of ten. so when i can't find replacement bands ... i've been known to @ buy one of the new ones and switch its band to my old watch. theE problem now is that the holes in the case for the watch-band pin haved> gotten so worn that doesn't take much for the pin to fall out.  9 some drift to failure mode analysis in sci.crypt subject:rJ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#41 Why we don't use homebrew crypto   -- r3 Anne & Lynn Wheeler | http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ nA Internet trivia 20th anv http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htma   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:30:28 GMT 6 From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@mithril.chromatico.net> Subject: Re: unixn3 Message-ID: <87el5359l5.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net>c  5 >>>>> "LD" == Lars Duening <lars@bearnip.com> writes:n  ?     LD> And isn't there the unwritten rule that one's computinglC     LD> equipment should be at least as expensive as one's means oft     LD> transportation?d  D Fortunately, there's no requirement for parity, or I'd have to buy a* car.  Or some *really* expensive shoes....   Charlton   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:53:04 -0500s: From: Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com> Subject: Re: unixe7 Message-ID: <slrnb7ieov.ete.shannon@news.widomaker.com>   M In article <b59quk$26s7qv$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>, Bill Gunshannon wrote:a  @ >>>> ...just the computer part, no monitor or keyboard...for $10: >>>> each US. I did *not* see anyone rushing to buy one... >>> 2 >>> Thats because at $10 they were way overpriced. >> eH >> I don't know, some of them were nice as far as a MS-DOS machine goes. >> eH >> I have some friends that still have theirs, and they still run great./ >> Not many others from that era still running.  >  > Your joking, right?a  D No... most of the PCs from that area were no-name, and really crappy  clones.  They are dead and gone.  F > I have numerous computers from that period and older still woorking. > Tandy 1000-TXo > Tandy Model 16 > Tandy Color Computer > and best of all!!t > Terak 8510 (several of them)  F These were better built than most of the XTs I saw at the local shows.  F I think you might find a good dtk still running, and a few others, butJ I remember some machines were just as cheap back then as what you see now.  ? > I actually find it is the more modern computers that have thei? > highest failure rates.  Numerous Gateways barely out of theirn4 > warranties have ended out in the dumpster already.  + True.  Gateway... I'd never buy from there.   A Dell actually seems to last OK, depending on which model you get.y  B Not sure about the Computer Shopper bunch, as I've been out of the? market for awhile.  I buy my own parts and build systems myselfr most of the time.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:35:40 GMTo. From: "Sandro Altamura" <altamura@adriacom.it> Subject: vax helpa7 Message-ID: <gE3ea.29399$Lr4.909521@twister2.libero.it>o  < I've a vaxstation 3100 with 4mb onboard and a 4mb expansion.I The 4mb onboard are not properly working. When i boot the system i obtains the following error:  < F...E...D...C...B?..A...9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1...     ?? B 0010 0008.0280t >> using test 50  i obtainh ?? MEM  0008.0280n    00400000 0000000F    K i don't know what kind of error is 0008.0280. Pheraps it tells what ramchip 	 is wrong.n5 Someone can help me to repair this wonderful station?h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:28:11 -0600S From: brandon@dalsemi.coma Subject: Re: vax help 1 Message-ID: <03031914281135@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>e  > > I've a vaxstation 3100 with 4mb onboard and a 4mb expansion.K > The 4mb onboard are not properly working. When i boot the system i obtain  > the following error: > > > F...E...D...C...B?..A...9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1... >  >  > ?? B 0010 0008.0280F > >> > using test 50  i obtain  > ?? MEM  0008.0280t >    00400000 0000000F >  > M > i don't know what kind of error is 0008.0280. Pheraps it tells what ramchip- > is wrong.h7 > Someone can help me to repair this wonderful station?   8 I do not know what is wrong either - without a manual...  L However, have you tried to re-seat the memory?  I had a VAX 4000-90 that wasO having difficulty booting.  Sometimes it would sometimes it would not.  Then itHI was noticed that it had only 128 MB however it had 256 MB installed.  (orrL something like that).  We popped the box open and re-seated all the memory. 6 Presto, booted solid after that - with all its memory.   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratore Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wkW 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:04:45 -0500y! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com>  Subject: RE: vax helpaK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BDE@rlghncst964.usps.gov>a  > > I've a vaxstation 3100 with 4mb onboard and a 4mb expansion.K > The 4mb onboard are not properly working. When i boot the system i obtaina > the following error: > > > F...E...D...C...B?..A...9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1... >   @ For information on VAXstation 3100 power-up error messages, see:  D http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/Chap7/DOC-7-3.html#section7.1.1  G For information on Power-Up, Self-Test and TEST 50 error messages, see:-  7 http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/ChapC/DOC-C-1.html1     >9 > ?? B 0010 0008.0280r > >> > using test 50  i obtainr > ?? MEM  0008.0280  >    00400000 0000000F >-! For the explanation of this, see:   @ http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/ChapC/DOC-C-5.html#tablec-8   >>E > i don't know what kind of error is 0008.0280. Pheraps it tells what4 ramchipt > is wrong. 7 > Someone can help me to repair this wonderful station?d  8 I do not know what is wrong either - without a manual...  L However, have you tried to re-seat the memory?  I had a VAX 4000-90 that wasL having difficulty booting.  Sometimes it would sometimes it would not.  Then itI was noticed that it had only 128 MB however it had 256 MB installed.  (or K something like that).  We popped the box open and re-seated all the memory.e6 Presto, booted solid after that - with all its memory.   John Brandon VMS Systems Administratoro Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wko 972.371.4003 fxs ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annexo, 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:14:38 GMTg6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ?3 Message-ID: <yk3ea.49475$8L1.551373@news.chello.at>   i In article <xIOda.73928$_7.65554@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> writes:nM >It's working now with Mozilla V1.3.  I suspect the problem was that I hadn't3? >updated the java*_setup.com command procedure in my login.com.o  3 You won a cigar (and I've now my foot in my mouth)..G I did update the startup to change from JAVA V1.3.1-5 to V1.4.0-1 after-M the JAVA update, but forgot to change also the JAVA setup in the SYS$SYLOGIN.i   -- S Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER:% Network and OpenVMS system specialistg E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:36:02 GMTy' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>t: Subject: Re: [MOZILLA V1.3] Compatibility with JAVA V1.4 ?, Message-ID: <3E78F0A4.7080504@theblakes.com>  G Please upgrade from M1.2-1, A1.3 and B1.3 to M1.3 (1.3 final). Believe kG me, there are problems with Java support which are not fixed until 1.3 e: final. If you haven't seen them yet, you've been lucky :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:08:14 GMTs/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)uQ Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?c- Message-ID: <53ln90j2KNZR@cuebid.zko.dec.com>b  - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:n3 > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: 0 >> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: > C >>> 	The thing at the top of my list would be to build dynamic loadmH >>> 	balancing into path selection (I recall from reading elsewhere this >>> 	is a work in progress). >> 	E >> 	V7.3-1 has a very lightweight approach to path balancing; we keepsO >> track of the number of devices whose paths are current for every path.  When(R >> we need to switch paths, we attempt to use the path that has the fewest devicesM >> whose paths are current.  Also, as paths are discovered while booting, we eK >> attempt to spread out the current paths among as many paths as possible.uK >> This stuff was added at the very end of the coding for V7.3-1; we may becJ >> able to do more in the future, but we're rather busy with other things. > C > 	I did not know that.  Can we read about that mechanism anywhere?-  = 	Should be in the V7.3-1 new features and/or Chapter 6 of the C "Guidelines to Cluster Configurations", which is where multipath int general is documented.   -- F  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:54:57 -0600s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>oQ Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?y' Message-ID: <3E792D81.5AD68E5F@fsi.net>m   Rob Brooks wrote:a > , > David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes: > > Rob Brooks wrote:y > I > >>Sorry; you've found all the $getdvi support for multipath that existsy > >>now. > >>M > >>Since it's likely I'll be the one to implement whatever multipath-relatedoQ > >>info is returned by $getdvi, let me know what you'd like to see.  No promisesM$ > >>about when it'll appear, though. > >uO > > The thing at the top of my list is the ability to get all of the configuredw > > paths for a device.g > I > Check out sys$device_path_scan.  Unfortunately, there is no DCL lexicalsI > equivalent.  Would a $getdvi item that returned all the path names in al# > comma-delimited string be useful?2  1 I'd vote "yes" on that one, at least in F$GETDVI.    -- g David J. Dachterav dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:57:46 -0600e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>,Q Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-1] How to display multipath infos with lexical functions ?a' Message-ID: <3E792E2A.B09FE1CD@fsi.net>i   Rob Brooks wrote:  > / > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:l. > > David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes:5 > >> brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote:o > J > >>>Sorry; you've found all the $getdvi support for multipath that exists	 > >>>now.  > >>>nN > >>>Since it's likely I'll be the one to implement whatever multipath-relatedR > >>>info is returned by $getdvi, let me know what you'd like to see.  No promises% > >>>about when it'll appear, though.t > >>P > >> The thing at the top of my list is the ability to get all of the configured > >> paths for a device. > >> > > H > >       The thing at the top of my list would be to build dynamic loadM > >       balancing into path selection (I recall from reading elsewhere this0! > >       is a work in progress).4 > K >         V7.3-1 has a very lightweight approach to path balancing; we keep.N > track of the number of devices whose paths are current for every path.  WhenQ > we need to switch paths, we attempt to use the path that has the fewest devices K > whose paths are current.  Also, as paths are discovered while booting, we J > attempt to spread out the current paths among as many paths as possible.J > This stuff was added at the very end of the coding for V7.3-1; we may beI > able to do more in the future, but we're rather busy with other things.   G I wrote a disk path load balancer in DCL that worked with HSJs. It usedhF the I/O counts to determine its suggestions for better load balancing.   -- H David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.155 ************************