1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 25 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 165       Contents:3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 RE: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 6 asymmetric cluster? question on cluster communications: Re: asymmetric cluster? question on cluster communications- Re: Brian Schenkenberger - Where are you?????  Re: compatibility problem  Re: Convert Alpha NT to VMS  Re: Convert Alpha NT to VMS $ Re: DECNET Object Connection Problem$ Re: DECNET Object Connection Problem@ Re: How to search for last login, but not on disusered accounts. HP doesn't know OpenVMS  Re: HP doesn't know OpenVMS  Re: HP doesn't know OpenVMS  Re: HP doesn't know OpenVMS # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!! $ Re: Installation faq for VMS on simh Interpreting Traceroutes Re: Interpreting Traceroutes Re: Interpreting Traceroutes Re: Interpreting Traceroutes Re: Interpreting Traceroutes Re: Interpreting Traceroutes% Re: Mark Gorham was Re: Rich Marcello ) Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive - Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive - Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive - Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive - Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive  Re: MSIE ftp hangs FTPD  Re: My VMS Freeware area...   Netscape gags on VMS FTP Servers$ Re: new releases of MySQL and Python, next installment - alpha 3000 console now...0 Re: next installment - alpha 3000 console now...0 Re: next installment - alpha 3000 console now...0 Re: next installment - alpha 3000 console now...( Ping (was: RE: Interpreting Traceroutes)/ Re: Remotely opening a window on my workstation  Re: SAMBA question& Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!! System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.3 % Re: System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.3 % Re: System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.3 % Re: System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.3 % Re: System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.3 $ Re: System Special for VMS NewsGroup Re: unix What is PRV-F-INSFCREDITH  Re: X-window and Xlib questionH Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and w/o directory-specs.H Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and w/o directory-specs.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:42:17 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)$ Message-ID: <3e7f6f5f$1@news.si.com>   >Brian,  > > >Re: Healthcare ... IDX and Cerner are growing with OpenVMS .. > H >Btw - remember, Cerner only runs on AIX or OpenVMS i.e.. not Windows or >HP-UX or Solaris.  L This is certainly a non-sequitor.  What does this have to do with Micromedex disappearing on VMS? --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:31:54 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> < Subject: RE: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660E95@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Brian,  E <<< This is certainly a non-sequitor.  What does this have to do with " Micromedex disappearing on VMS?<<<  D Well, I will leave it to someone else to look up what "non-sequitor" means ..   :-)   F Anyway, your comment "Right before our eyes, infrastructure for VMS isC crumbling, and in one of the area VMS has been so strong in: health E care." made it sound like because one vendor had decided to offer web E based services and, as I understand it, remove ALL of its OS specific H platform support at some point in the future that health care on OpenVMS> was "crumbling", when in fact, that is certainly not the case.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM      -----Original Message-----C From: Brian Tillman [mailto:Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com]=20  Sent: March 24, 2003 3:42 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)     >Brian,  > > >Re: Healthcare ... IDX and Cerner are growing with OpenVMS .. > H >Btw - remember, Cerner only runs on AIX or OpenVMS i.e.. not Windows or   >HP-UX or Solaris.  A This is certainly a non-sequitor.  What does this have to do with  Micromedex disappearing on VMS?  --=20 E Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot  com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. F 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:19:04 -0700 $ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>< Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)) Message-ID: <3E7F7647.A7AAA4EB@cha.ab.ca>   1 Note that Micromedex is 'transitioning' away from / text-based versions on the following platforms:   /     AIX, AS/400, Alpha OpenVMS, CICS, SCO UNIX.   2 The vendor is showing no favoritism.  I was hoping0 that there was a competitive text-based product.     Brian Tillman wrote:  	 > >Brian,  > > @ > >Re: Healthcare ... IDX and Cerner are growing with OpenVMS .. > > J > >Btw - remember, Cerner only runs on AIX or OpenVMS i.e.. not Windows or > >HP-UX or Solaris. > N > This is certainly a non-sequitor.  What does this have to do with Micromedex > disappearing on VMS? > --K > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 7 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. B > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 : >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   -- Lee   	 L Y T Mah    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:49:01 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)' Message-ID: <3E7FD1AD.403CCC9C@fsi.net>    Paul Repacholi wrote:  > 5 > "Lonnie Blevins" <lblevins@regenstrief.org> writes:  > G > > Both IDX and CERNER use (where I have seent them) workstations that F > > are WINDOWS machines.  Only the servers are AIX or OpenVMS.  UsersH > > still see the WINDOWS interface and think of that as "their system". > H > How do they used M$ licencing conditions and conform to HIP<whatever>?  
 It's HIPPA...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:50:55 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)' Message-ID: <3E7FD21F.68CEAD0A@fsi.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Brian, > G > <<< This is certainly a non-sequitor.  What does this have to do with $ > Micromedex disappearing on VMS?<<< > F > Well, I will leave it to someone else to look up what "non-sequitor"
 > means .. >  > :-)  > H > Anyway, your comment "Right before our eyes, infrastructure for VMS isE > crumbling, and in one of the area VMS has been so strong in: health G > care." made it sound like because one vendor had decided to offer web G > based services and, as I understand it, remove ALL of its OS specific J > platform support at some point in the future that health care on OpenVMS@ > was "crumbling", when in fact, that is certainly not the case.  G Well, I'd be careful there. Cerner with the back-end on AIX is at least * as viable as having the back-end on VMS...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:09:45 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ? Subject: asymmetric cluster? question on cluster communications ; Message-ID: <01KTX41QHE0W9H3FKQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H Some interesting experience when experimenting with my hobbyist cluster 
 yesterday.  E On machine 1 I had VOTES=1 and EXPECTED_VOTES=1.  On machine 2, I had G VOTES=1 and EXPECTED_VOTES=2.  Usually, machine 1 is in the cluster and G machine 2 occasionally is.  I wanted to do some tests leaving machine 2 C in the cluster unattended, but wanted to avoid the possibility of a > hang, so I set VOTES=0 on machine 2.  However, I forgot to set  EXPECTED_VOTES to a lower value.  F Machine 2 wasn't able to join the cluster (I will qualify this below).  D I realise my mistake (I think and hope): Since the highest value of G EXPECTED_VOTES in the cluster was 2, quorum was 2, and since machine 2  @ didn't contribute any votes itself, this could never be reached.  G Machine 1 and machine 2 both had some locally connected SCSI disks (no  , dual-ported stuff) and all were MSCP served.  = What I want to understand is the following strange behaviour.   G The system didn't join the cluster, but just continued the messages (I  F could have done a SET CLUSTER/EXPECTED_VOTES to allow it to, though I F didn't try this since I had run out of time).  However, I could mount & the disks on machine 2 from machine 1.  F It seems to me that if the system is obviously not yet in the cluster H (i.e. it wants to join but can't), then I shouldn't be able to mount an , MSCP-served disk on it from another machine!  A A (perhaps) related question: when the cluster was up and running F normally, SYSMAN commands executed on machine 1 would not work on nodeH 2, but vice versa was OK.  (The error message was something like remote 7 authorization invalid.)  There is a common SYSUAF file.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 20:08:20 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) C Subject: Re: asymmetric cluster? question on cluster communications = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0303242008.6b77a8df@posting.google.com>   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KTX41QHE0W9H3FKQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...G > On machine 1 I had VOTES=1 and EXPECTED_VOTES=1.  On machine 2, I had I > VOTES=1 and EXPECTED_VOTES=2.  Usually, machine 1 is in the cluster and I > machine 2 occasionally is.  I wanted to do some tests leaving machine 2 E > in the cluster unattended, but wanted to avoid the possibility of a @ > hang, so I set VOTES=0 on machine 2.  However, I forgot to set" > EXPECTED_VOTES to a lower value. > H > Machine 2 wasn't able to join the cluster (I will qualify this below). > F > I realise my mistake (I think and hope): Since the highest value of I > EXPECTED_VOTES in the cluster was 2, quorum was 2, and since machine 2  B > didn't contribute any votes itself, this could never be reached.  B Right.  If machine 2 had been admitted to the cluster, the cluster would have lost quorum.   E > The system didn't join the cluster, but just continued the messages   B Right.  If another system with 1 vote had joined the cluster, thenD machine 2 would have been able to join also.  So it persisted, being hopeful.  K > (I could have done a SET CLUSTER/EXPECTED_VOTES to allow it to, though I  / > didn't try this since I had run out of time).   A Actually, no.  What you needed to do is to either raise the total F number of votes contributed, or else lower the EXPECTED_VOTES value onF machine 2, and you couldn't do that without a reboot of one machine or
 the other.  I > Machine 1 and machine 2 both had some locally connected SCSI disks (no  . > dual-ported stuff) and all were MSCP served. ...  > However, I could mount  ( > the disks on machine 2 from machine 1. > H > It seems to me that if the system is obviously not yet in the cluster J > (i.e. it wants to join but can't), then I shouldn't be able to mount an . > MSCP-served disk on it from another machine!  E But what if there were a quorum disk and it was served to the cluster F by machine 2?  If you enable MSCP serving on a system, VMS starts MSCPF serving quite early in the boot so it can properly handle such a case.E  Machine 2 had not yet achieved quorum, so it was not going to modify F its disks itself, so there was really no risk of uncoordinated access.  C > A (perhaps) related question: when the cluster was up and running H > normally, SYSMAN commands executed on machine 1 would not work on nodeJ > 2, but vice versa was OK.  (The error message was something like remote 9 > authorization invalid.)  There is a common SYSUAF file.   F I'd double-check the SYSUAF and RIGHTSLIST logical names on machine 2.*  Are they $DEFINEd /SYSTEM and /EXECUTIVE?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:14:45 -0500 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> 6 Subject: Re: Brian Schenkenberger - Where are you?????' Message-ID: <3E7F6735.52E5A536@vcu.edu>   G I thought hay fever was already being charged congestion charges??? I'd  make a FORTUNE...    jim    Tim Llewellyn wrote: > # > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > >  >  > > L > > In the states or in the UK?  I have had nothing but positive experiencesK > > in London.  Wish I could state the same of Philadelphia and, moreso, of  > > NYC. > >  > L > Presumably you were not driving and not subject to a congestion charge:-). > 	 > regards  > --  > tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk > J > * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:05:15 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> " Subject: Re: compatibility problem? Message-ID: <ec5d57d84b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   ( In message <3e7ee797@news.hai.iec.co.il>*           Atanas <atanas@iec.co.il> wrote:  O > I have AplaServer DS-10 and VMS 7.3 installed. I need to implement interface  N > for data acquisition from control system  (PROCONTROL) to Plant Information L > System (P.I.) based on ABB's CPS package. CPS require UCX V4.0 and do not L > work with new TCP/IP that replaces UCX  starting with VMS 7.2 I installed N > UCX 4.0 and CPS and wrote my interface. All works file, but  after 1-3 days N > system freezes. I tried to solve the problem upgrading VMS to version 7.3-1 K > - now system do  not freeze , just crashes every 30 minutes. Do somebody  J > know how is possible to solve the problem without replacing  hardware ? 	 > Thanks.   J As I recall, VMS7.2 doesn't support UCX4.x, only TCPIP V5.x This gave us aI problem, because we were using Mailworks (NOT Mailbus, that's a different K product), which won't work with TCPIP V5. Since it is a retired product, it  wasn't going to be fixed.   H So there are significant differences in the TCPIP stacks, and there is aH problem with any product which requires UCXv4 - it limits VMS to V7.1 or earlier.   --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:05:26 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> $ Subject: Re: Convert Alpha NT to VMS$ Message-ID: <3e7f7315$1@news.si.com>  D >And what is the exact SRM firmware version? And the OpenVMS PALcode version?: >(I think 'show config' at the >>> prompt will show this.)  L Didn't you read what he said?  He can't even _get_ a >>> prompt.  He's usingK the NT-style console.  He'll probably have to load SRM first.  On a 500, he ? may not be able to have both consoles available simultaneously.  --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:42:19 -0500 3 From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> $ Subject: Re: Convert Alpha NT to VMS9 Message-ID: <qcQfa.4328$rn3.1742@fe08.atl2.webusenet.com>    Just noticed one on eBay: = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3408075215   > "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> wrote in message5 news:LEvfa.49404$gS4.24777@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com... I > Yes, you are right.  My mistake.  -CA = -CX.  Thanks for catching that.  > I > <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message news:03032322171373@antinode.org... 7 > > From: "Homer J. Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> F > > > [...] You need to change out the SCSI controller with a KZPBA-CA, > > > (FR-KZPBA-CA), also known as KZPBA-CY. > > I > >    I believe that the -CA is also known as a -CX.  The -CB/-CY is the 9 > > differential card, while the -CA/-CX is single-ended.  > > K > >    I have a pristine -CY, for which I have no use, so I speak from some 5 > > knowledge here.  (Cross my palm with silver, ...)  > > L > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 8 > >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98187 > >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org ! > >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:44:52 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>- Subject: Re: DECNET Object Connection Problem 6 Message-ID: <b5nn87$2bpdss$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  : "Christopher Francis" <n8pvl@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht7 news:7ea798ef.0303240432.2882cd04@posting.google.com... C > We are having a problem with launching a process through a DECNET F > network object connection. The connection is made to an object usingC > the cluster alias, therefore we could be connecting to any one of H > three cluster nodes. On occasion we notice that our process is gettingH > started on 2 nodes simultaneously or in close succession. Any ideas on > what is going on here? > E >  The cluster consists of three DEC 3000 computers running VMS 7.3-1 D > and using DECNET Phase IV. No ECO's have been applied. The cluster& > interconnect being used is Ethernet. >  > Thanks > Chris Francis    Chris,  D would it be possible for you to post configuration data? Like DECnet# addresses ($ mc ncp sho know node), < the object definition ($ mc ncp sho object <name> char). The' source(fragment) that creates the link?    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:37:35 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com - Subject: Re: DECNET Object Connection Problem 1 Message-ID: <03032414373502@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   E > > We are having a problem with launching a process through a DECNET H > > network object connection. The connection is made to an object usingE > > the cluster alias, therefore we could be connecting to any one of J > > three cluster nodes. On occasion we notice that our process is gettingJ > > started on 2 nodes simultaneously or in close succession. Any ideas on > > what is going on here? > > G > >  The cluster consists of three DEC 3000 computers running VMS 7.3-1 F > > and using DECNET Phase IV. No ECO's have been applied. The cluster( > > interconnect being used is Ethernet. > > 
 > > Thanks > > Chris Francis  >  > Chris, > F > would it be possible for you to post configuration data? Like DECnet% > addresses ($ mc ncp sho know node), > > the object definition ($ mc ncp sho object <name> char). The) > source(fragment) that creates the link?   7 How do you set the object in motion?  SUBMIT?  @? ... ?    John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:49:36 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> I Subject: Re: How to search for last login, but not on disusered accounts. $ Message-ID: <3e7f6f5f$3@news.si.com>  D >I have a script which searches for last logins older than x, anyone@ >have any idea how to modify it so that it disregards an account >flagged as disuser?  3 Use SCANUAF from Hunter's site.  Here's an example:   A SCANUAF> logint<1-mar-2003 & lognonint<1-mar-2003 & flags\disuser    ===========  Node: SWDEV  ===========    Username    : USERA % LOGINT      :  6-OCT-1999 14:02:31.86 % LOGNONINT   :  8-NOV-1995 11:06:48.52  FLAGS       : DISPWDDIC    Username    : USERB  LOGINT      : (None) LOGNONINT   : (None)A FLAGS       : DISWELCOME DISNEWMAIL DISREPORT DISPWDDIC DISPWDHIS    Username    : USERC % LOGINT      :  7-SEP-1994 17:02:47.84 % LOGNONINT   : 12-APR-1995 13:51:37.58  FLAGS       : DISPWDDIC    Username    : USERD % LOGINT      : 20-MAY-1993 09:12:14.86  LOGNONINT   : (None)G FLAGS       : DEFCLI RESTRICTED DISWELCOME DISNEWMAIL DISMAIL DISREPORT  CAPTIV-                E DISPWDDIC    --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:06:47 -0500 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com>   Subject: HP doesn't know OpenVMS$ Message-ID: <3e7f6556$1@news.si.com>  F I wanted to find out some information on Disk File Optimizer.  I foundK descriptions at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/storage/dfopage.html.  At H the bottom of that page is the phone number 800-282-6672.  I called thatL number and the person answering the phone listened to what I wanted and gaveJ me the phone number and extension of a sales person who, he claimed, couldL help me.  I wanted the price of a license.  They connected me (I didn't haveG to make a separate call, which was nice), and the sales person took the K information I wanted.  He said, "please hold".  After a while, he came back G on the line and said he could sell that to me.  All hist resources arfe I Microsoft-oriented and he has no information about DFO and can't get any.  Sheesh!   L He did say there was someone in Michigan who should know about it and shouldH be able to help me.  The sales person forwarded my email address to this Michigan person.  We'll see. --  I Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. @ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:35:14 -0600  From: brandon@dalsemi.com $ Subject: Re: HP doesn't know OpenVMS1 Message-ID: <03032414351498@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   O >>> ... the bottom of that page is the phone number 800-282-6672.  I called ...   A It use to be I could call DEC Direct and get excellent support.     K Now they take your name and number and they will have someone get back with  you.  
 Bull sh**.  O I left a message over a month ago - simple little question about power supplies  for the DS20...   & Support in this area has gone to hell.       John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wk  972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:28:33 -0500 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: HP doesn't know OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3e7f88a5$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K first, if you look at the support page you will notice that the first thing ( out of your mouth should be OpenVMS whenJ calling the support hotlines etc. You want to get to an OpenVMS specialist as fast as possible.  L also you could go to the software catalog at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/swcat select 'management' and thenH disk file optimizer and you will see the license numbers and prices. (at least the February 2003 prices)    -warren     F "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3e7f6556$1@news.si.com...H > I wanted to find out some information on Disk File Optimizer.  I foundI > descriptions at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/storage/dfopage.html.  AtJ > the bottom of that page is the phone number 800-282-6672.  I called thatI > number and the person answering the phone listened to what I wanted and  gaveL > me the phone number and extension of a sales person who, he claimed, couldI > help me.  I wanted the price of a license.  They connected me (I didn't  haveI > to make a separate call, which was nice), and the sales person took the H > information I wanted.  He said, "please hold".  After a while, he came backI > on the line and said he could sell that to me.  All hist resources arfe K > Microsoft-oriented and he has no information about DFO and can't get any. 	 > Sheesh!  > G > He did say there was someone in Michigan who should know about it and  shouldJ > be able to help me.  The sales person forwarded my email address to this > Michigan person.  We'll see. > --K > Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com 7 > Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM. B > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 : >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:01:07 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: HP doesn't know OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3E7FD483.7C5ADE60@fsi.net>    Brian Tillman wrote: > H > I wanted to find out some information on Disk File Optimizer.  I foundM > descriptions at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/storage/dfopage.html.  At J > the bottom of that page is the phone number 800-282-6672.  I called thatN > number and the person answering the phone listened to what I wanted and gaveL > me the phone number and extension of a sales person who, he claimed, couldN > help me.  I wanted the price of a license.  They connected me (I didn't haveI > to make a separate call, which was nice), and the sales person took the M > information I wanted.  He said, "please hold".  After a while, he came back I > on the line and said he could sell that to me.  All hist resources arfe K > Microsoft-oriented and he has no information about DFO and can't get any. 	 > Sheesh!  > N > He did say there was someone in Michigan who should know about it and shouldJ > be able to help me.  The sales person forwarded my email address to this > Michigan person.  We'll see.  C Both Mark Gorham and Carl Gallozzi(sp?) have been helpful with such 4 complaints. No guarantees, but may be worth a try...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 12:39:36 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!3 Message-ID: <BvN$$VfpKzch@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <3e7f4886_2@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes:L > While using the ability to have multiple OS's co-resident on the same diskL > device may not be a high use item, we have a number of large customers whoN > are very interested in the concept of buying a single standard platform, andL > being able to boot VMS, Linux, HP-UX, or Windows64 at will on any of them. >   B 	Booting multiple OSes makes sense from a development perspective.  = 	In production, it makes no sense (to me) as drives are very	 : 	cheap and only heartache could come from Win2K scribbling 	some place it shouldn't (1).    				Rob     > (1)  Do we really want to get into some of these stories?  No.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:47:23 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!/ Message-ID: <3E7F44A4.D264739B@vl.videotron.ca>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote:E > It will see any drive that has a valid partition record, and an EFI N > partition with OS Loaders.  So it will see all the drives, including NT ones > that might be attached.   L Will the EFI partition be needed on all drives, or just on bootable drives ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:36:17 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!/ Message-ID: <R6Jfa.734$aM.191@news.cpqcorp.net>   Q In article <00A1D41A.1397BA1D.7@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes: ' :"Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:  :  :> [...] :>  I :>   I've discussed the low-level disk layout at the technical symposium, K :>   and I expect to be discussing it at future symposia and future events. H :>   Again, from the perspective of OpenVMS and of OpenVMS applications,K :>   the disks look IDENTICAL to ALL applications.  From the console, well, H :>   we can store what tools and utilities we need into the storage area( :>   that is available to the console.   :>   :> [...] : I :Is the material on the low-level disk layout presented at the technical  B :symposium mentioned above available for download (PDF, PPT)? URL?  J   I would have posted a URL, had I been able to find one.  As far as I canH   determine, the materials from the technical symposium (boot camp) wereI   not posted (anywhere that is generally accessable) on the OpenVMS site. 2   (I should have stated that explicitly, however.)  K   If you know how APB and VMB work and how they are organized on the system I   disk, then you know how IPB works.  As you would expect, the innards of "   APB and VMB and IPB all differ.   F   At the level of the records and data stored within the IPB file, theF   innards of IPB do not follow those of the image-file format -- thoseH   folks that have looked at the innards of APB or VMB in any detail knowJ   that those images also differed from "normal" OpenVMS executable images,6   particularly in regard to the execution environment.  G   I've written the SETBOOT tool -- the equivalent of the WRITEBOOT tool F   on VAX and Alpha systems -- and will be updating and extending this F   tool over time.  (As more of the environment comes on-line, I expectF   that there will be additional discussions of this and of related...)E   For those not familiar with WRITEBOOT, WRITEBOOT loads the contents E   of the boot block -- basically the disk address of the primary boot F   file -- and this purpose is mirrored by the SETBOOT tool.  (I am notH   publically able to commit that SETBOOT will also write the boot blocksH   for VAX and Alpha systems, but that is certainly a very obvious target   for the development effort.)  G   While disscussing the boot blocks, the Alpha boot block extended the  H   VAX boot block and required updates to WRITEBOOT.  The EFI MBR and GPTI   structures are not compatible with the Alpha and VAX on-disk structures H   stored within the required target disk blocks, and will replace these.F   (But if you've not looked at a boot block or at (in the case of GPT)E   the ODS home block, you won't know about this.  We did warn of this J   situation within the V7.3-1 release notes, BTW -- but as having multipleH   system architectures coresident on the same system disk is not and hasI   not been supported, I don't view this boot block change as a big issue.    I   All that written, if you did not care about the differences between APB J   and VMB, then you won't care about the OpenVMS-visible IPB stuff either.  G   Oh, and EFI is more user-flexible than was APB or VMB, too -- you can J   learn far more about this environment than was previously possible, too.H   (Well, assuming you have no particular aversion to accessing the IntelF   developer's website nor to reading Intel EFI specifications.)  URLs:       http://developer.intel.com/ .     http://developer.intel.com/technology/efi/  F   As for comments I've seen about navigating the Intel website, pleaseG   direct those to the Intel website folks.  As for my success accessingeF   the current EFI specifications, I have just (re)downloaded the IntelJ   specification for EFI 1.10 using the current Mozilla 1.3 browser releaseF   running on OpenVMS, used unzip running on OpenVMS, and displayed theB   contents of the efi_1-10.pdf file using XPDF running on OpenVMS.E   The download worked for me on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1, in other words.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:48:30 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!. Message-ID: <iiJfa.735$aM.79@news.cpqcorp.net>  r In article <3e7f1dd3$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes: :4> :"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message* :news:3E7C11A9.BF345AA4@vl.videotron.ca... :> question: :>I :> With the return of NT running on the same platform as VMS if that IA64TK :> thing succeeds, will EFI provide protection to prevent a rogue microsoftnL :> NT from fucking up a VMS drive if one system has dual-boot capabilities ? :> :nK :Because we will support the same partition record as our "boot block", ther0 :issue of NT mucking with this "should" go away.    J   The Microsoft software wants to write a signature into the boot record, I   and since OpenVMS on Itanium already has the signature, this discussion H   is a non-issue.  (With Alpha configurations, the fix for the "harmlessG   signature" corruption problem was to run WRITEBOOT against the disk.)o    K :> Would an NT system be able to access the FAT container ona VMS drive andp5 :> mess with it ? (and vice-versa, for that matter ?)c :> :) :No.    H   With respect to Fred, if you wanted to, you could use either MicrosoftH   Windows or even EFI itself to clobber the OpenVMS disk.  So the answer?   to this is "yes".  You will have to target the disk, however..  H   I expect to lock out causual accessors using partition type codes thatG   are not used by Windows -- but if you fdisk the disk or otherwise tryFH   to repartition it, "all bets are off".  I leave a nice message to thisE   effect stored within the EFI-unused portion of the disk boot block.g    K :> Will EFI (the vanilla version stored in ROM) be able to hide drives from-# :> NT, or will NT see all devices ?  :eD :It will see any drive that has a valid partition record, and an EFIM :partition with OS Loaders.  So it will see all the drives, including NT onesx :that might be attached.  
   Correct.  J   For details on this area, please see the Linux documentation on creatingJ   and maintaining partitions for a dual-boot system.  The difference with H   OpenVMS is larger: we will not generally allow other operating systemsJ   partitions to be coresident on the OpenVMS disks, and (as has often beenH   discussed before) will not support Windows- or Linux-style partitionedJ   disks.  (Regardless of other discussions of MBRs and partitions and suchJ   that are on-going in other threads, the OpenVMS operating system expects-   to have complete access to the WHOLE disk.)y  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.come   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:00:19 GMT<# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)e, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!/ Message-ID: <ntJfa.736$aM.174@news.cpqcorp.net>r  Q In article <00A1D5B8.55A7AF43.4@decus.de>, Michael Unger <unger@decus.de> writes:tC :"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote:c :d@ :> "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message, :> news:3E7C11A9.BF345AA4@vl.videotron.ca... :> > question: :> t :> [...] :>  M :> > Will EFI (the vanilla version stored in ROM) be able to hide drives frome% :> > NT, or will NT see all devices ?  :> lF :> It will see any drive that has a valid partition record, and an EFIO :> partition with OS Loaders.  So it will see all the drives, including NT onesO :> that might be attached. :pF :So there is definitely a requirement for an (additional) EFI console A :(ROM!) command to make a drive unavailable for access by any OS:  :c :	SET <drive> OFFLINE  :o> :and of course the inverse command to make it available again.  D   If a system operator or system manager really wants to corrupt theD   disks, there is nothing that we can do and nothing we should do toC   prevent it.  This is, has been, and will remain the design centereA   -- we cannot protect against a privileged user, and a user withxD   unfettered access to the console hardware is -- by definition -- a   fully privileged user.  H   As for taking a drive off-line, consider using a StorageWorks "brick".G   Remove (or uncable) the disk ("brick"), and you have effectively set  G   the disk drive entirely and quite reliably off-line.  I've found this E   physical partitioning scheme a most effective approach, personally.0  D   AFAIK, there is no EFI-based equivalent to this console mechanism,G   though you could also potentially look for and (if you find them) use G   features of a storage controller -- some controllers have had similarnG   features, and it would not surprise me to find SAN and other high-endC-   storage controllers have something similar..  C   If you wish to utilize dual-boot systems with any combinations ofrH   operating systems -- I've been reading the Linux and Windows dual-bootD   materials in recent times -- you will have to know details of the F   low-level system environment, and you will have to exercise a degreeH   of caution.  The existing repartitioning documents are seemingly a seaG   of warnings around requirements for data backups when repartitioning..      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:03:23 GMTe# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!/ Message-ID: <fwJfa.737$aM.249@news.cpqcorp.net>R  a In article <BvN$$VfpKzch@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:R  C :	Booting multiple OSes makes sense from a development perspective.a :n> :	In production, it makes no sense (to me) as drives are very	; :	cheap and only heartache could come from Win2K scribbling  :	some place it shouldn't (1).  E   Or having OpenVMS scribble someplace it should not -- like fdisk oniF   Microsoft Windows, OpenVMS also has the ability to scribble on otherD   file structures when told to do so.  This ability to overwrite theD   contents of a disk with an OS-appropriate file structure is one ofA   the basic features of most any operating system I've ever seen.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:12:13 -0500eA From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!, Message-ID: <3e7f74af_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee) news:3E7F44A4.D264739B@vl.videotron.ca...t > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:G > > It will see any drive that has a valid partition record, and an EFIcK > > partition with OS Loaders.  So it will see all the drives, including NTd ones > > that might be attached.h >nL > Will the EFI partition be needed on all drives, or just on bootable drives ?w  K Just on bootable drives.  Just like you don't need a boot block on an Alpha/K drive unless you plan to boot it.  But there may be some requirements about4J how you INIT a disk if you plan to make it a system disk (since some space@ may need to be pre-allocated, and the home block re-positioned).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:03:44 -0400s0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!/ Message-ID: <3E7F72AD.54160637@vl.videotron.ca>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:VG >   Or having OpenVMS scribble someplace it should not -- like fdisk onyH >   Microsoft Windows, OpenVMS also has the ability to scribble on otherF >   file structures when told to do so.  This ability to overwrite theF >   contents of a disk with an OS-appropriate file structure is one ofB >   the basic features of most any operating system I've ever seen  I VMS does not go trough the list of available drives to read/write on them L unless specifically told to mount a drive. VMS, by default, only cares about existence of a device.  N Can you now claim that NT will never try to "fix" a drive it doesn't recognise% as one having it own file structure ?p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:44:41 -0600f1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!' Message-ID: <3E7FD0A9.E798454A@fsi.net>E   Hoff Hoffman wrote:t > t > In article <3e7f1dd3$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> writes: > : @ > :"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message, > :news:3E7C11A9.BF345AA4@vl.videotron.ca... > :> question: > :>K > :> With the return of NT running on the same platform as VMS if that IA64eM > :> thing succeeds, will EFI provide protection to prevent a rogue microsoftcN > :> NT from fucking up a VMS drive if one system has dual-boot capabilities ? > :> > : M > :Because we will support the same partition record as our "boot block", the 2 > :issue of NT mucking with this "should" go away. > K >   The Microsoft software wants to write a signature into the boot record,RK >   and since OpenVMS on Itanium already has the signature, this discussion3J >   is a non-issue.  (With Alpha configurations, the fix for the "harmlessI >   signature" corruption problem was to run WRITEBOOT against the disk.)u > M > :> Would an NT system be able to access the FAT container ona VMS drive ande7 > :> mess with it ? (and vice-versa, for that matter ?)h > :> > :  > :No. > J >   With respect to Fred, if you wanted to, you could use either MicrosoftJ >   Windows or even EFI itself to clobber the OpenVMS disk.  So the answerA >   to this is "yes".  You will have to target the disk, however.  > J >   I expect to lock out causual accessors using partition type codes thatI >   are not used by Windows -- but if you fdisk the disk or otherwise tryoJ >   to repartition it, "all bets are off".  I leave a nice message to thisG >   effect stored within the EFI-unused portion of the disk boot block.h  C I trust the selected partition type will be well documented (easily 8 determined without spending days poring over manuals)...   -- m David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:20:57 -0700I From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>P- Subject: Re: Installation faq for VMS on simht$ Message-ID: <3E7F5A99.50508@srv.net>   HarrisNewman wrote:aE > Could someone post a faq on how to install everything that's on theiD > hobbiest cdrom please?  I've been able to do the base install, butH > can't seem to get past that.  I've added my license, but can't seem toF > mount the hobbiest cd in order to accomplish the rest of the install > (such as tcpip). > G > I think there must be a trick here.  I am (trying) to mount the cd asi
 > follows: > 0 > In simh my config file to start the simulator: > load -r ka655.binh
 > set cpu 64mi > set rq0 ra82 > attach rq0 OpenVMS.dsk > set rq1 cdromo' > attach -r rq1 openvmsrelease.dskimage  > set dz lines=8 > att -a dz 12000 
 > boot cpu >  > I then boot dua0 > H > but the OS comes up without the cd mounted.  I can't seem to mount the > cd either. > Thanks in advance.	 > -Harrisi  0 See if it sees the cd-rom as an available device  
 	$ show dev du  G then try to mount it (disks are not automatically mounted when they are 1 inserted in VMS, unlike how it works for Windows)e   	$ mount/over=ident dua1:t  3 (or however the cd-rom appears in the device table)c  < You can do a fancier mount than this (look at "help mount"),5 but this should be sufficient to install from the CD.   * You should then be able to do a directory.   	$dir dua1:[000000]e   and install from there.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:12:17 -0400?0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: Interpreting Traceroutesi/ Message-ID: <3E7F4A78.84ADA0E0@vl.videotron.ca>h  I In looking at potential repolacements for my current ISP, I have had some K discussions with folks about their traceroutes. Some guys on my current ISPeM claim traceroutes in the 5-10 ms range, mine are way higher. Is it because myGA machines are slower (in the case below from a microvax 3100-30) ?a  L The first one is a router that goes through a hub (converts from thinwire toL RJ45 and then into the router.) Are these numbers OK ? Or do they indicate a problem with my ethernet lan ?   $ traceroute  65.39.161.30E traceroute to 65.39.161.30 (65.39.161.30): 1-30 hops, 38 byte packets.` > 1  router1.chocolate.com (10.0.0.1)  160 ms (ttl=254!)  90.0 ms (ttl=254!)  90.0 ms (ttl=254!)3 > 2  10.98.0.1 (10.98.0.1)  100 ms  90.0 ms  100 ms \ > 3  modemcable169.240-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (24.200.240.169)  100 ms  90.0 ms  90.0 ms >...Y > 9  65.39.161.30 (65.39.161.30)  130 ms (ttl=246!)  120 ms (ttl=246!)  130 ms (ttl=246!).    L If I ping the router, I get a ping time of 10ms. So I am puzzled as to why a1 ping would be 10ms, but traceroute indicate 90ms.   F Seems that the younger folks play the "my pings are better than yours"J combats, compare their traceroutes etc and complain about poor performanceF causing them to fall behind when they play games etc. I am not so muchG concerned about games, but I would like to better unbderstand the exactML meaning of traceroutes. Can they truly be compared from site to site (on the? same ISP) or are they really specific to a particular OS/host ?l   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 14:09:06 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org% Subject: Re: Interpreting Tracerouteso3 Message-ID: <IMj9Zws7tCSm@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  b In article <3E7F4A78.84ADA0E0@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:K > In looking at potential repolacements for my current ISP, I have had some'M > discussions with folks about their traceroutes. Some guys on my current ISPxO > claim traceroutes in the 5-10 ms range, mine are way higher. Is it because my C > machines are slower (in the case below from a microvax 3100-30) ?  > N > The first one is a router that goes through a hub (converts from thinwire toN > RJ45 and then into the router.) Are these numbers OK ? Or do they indicate a  > problem with my ethernet lan ? >  > $ traceroute  65.39.161.30G > traceroute to 65.39.161.30 (65.39.161.30): 1-30 hops, 38 byte packetssa >> 1  router1.chocolate.com (10.0.0.1)  160 ms (ttl=254!)  90.0 ms (ttl=254!)  90.0 ms (ttl=254!) 4 >> 2  10.98.0.1 (10.98.0.1)  100 ms  90.0 ms  100 ms] >> 3  modemcable169.240-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (24.200.240.169)  100 ms  90.0 ms  90.0 mse >>...lZ >> 9  65.39.161.30 (65.39.161.30)  130 ms (ttl=246!)  120 ms (ttl=246!)  130 ms (ttl=246!) >  > N > If I ping the router, I get a ping time of 10ms. So I am puzzled as to why a3 > ping would be 10ms, but traceroute indicate 90ms.d  F First thing to be aware of is that traceroute times are end to end andF back.  If you're getting 120 ms to hop 9 that's a total of 120 ms overD all 18 hops (9 hops out for the probe packet and 9 hops back for the resulting response packet).0  A You are seeing 90 ms at hop 1.  That's bad.  And you have a spike:> to 160 ms.  That means you're getting contention.  That's bad.  E There are two flavors of traceroute.  The Windows flavor and the reals flavor.I  G In a Windows traceroute, the sending station sends an ICMP echo requestcE packet out with a TTL (hop count) of 1.  The echo request reaches themD first hop router, the router decrements hop count, notices it's zeroB and generates an ICMP "host unreachable - time exceeded" datagram.@ When this notification datagram reaches the sending station, the@ traceroute utility there gets the packet, makes note of the time> received and tells you how many milliseconds elapsed that was.  A The process is then repeated with a TTL of 2.  The datagram makes-A it through the first hop router and the time exceeded response iseB generated by the second hop router.  The process is repeated until? the sending station gets an ICMP echo response, indicating thats1 the trace made it all the way to the destination.-  > In a real traceroute, the sending station sends a UDP datagram< with a TTL of 1.  This datagram reaches the first hop routerE and an ICMP "host unreachable - time exceeded" datagram is generated.4  < Except for the nature of the probe packets that are sent outE (UDP versus ICMP) and the nature of the ultimate success notification:@ (ICMP port unreachable versus ICMP echo reply), the two types of% traceroute are essentially identical.o  C In a ping, the sending station sends an ICMP echo request addressed4E to a specific router or station.  The router or station then respondsu with an ICMP echo reply.  @ Since you're seeing 90 ms traceroute and 10 ms ping at the first@ hop router, I'd speculate that you have some NAT involvement and? that in the case of ping, the packet is being reflected pre-NATa> and in the case of traceroute the hop count is decremented and9 the time exceeded response is being generated post-NAT.  ?  C NAT and packet filters can be nasty with connectionless protocols. .E Every packet has to pass through the NAT (and/or packet filter rules)tG and establish a context.  With TCP or (sometimes) UDP, the first packet > establishes a hashed context that later packets can be checked against.  H Here at work, my first three hundred megabit hops are under 10 ms total.G And that's with two firewalls, one of which is doing NAT.  Then we take J a cross-country (1500 miles at 12 meg) WAN link and soak up 50 ms (or more& on a bad day when contention is high).   # traceroute -n 1.2.3.4n= traceroute to 1.2.3.4 (1.2.3.4), 30 hops max, 40 byte packetsc+  1  10.63.2.1  0.927 ms  0.995 ms  0.726 msc,  2  10.63.14.1  2.656 ms  1.541 ms  1.523 ms0  3  208.19.133.129  4.738 ms  1.938 ms  2.742 ms3  4  144.228.112.53  38.334 ms  53.088 ms  50.021 ms    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:06:42 +0100 (MET)g9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>u% Subject: Re: Interpreting Traceroutesn; Message-ID: <01KTX2HZ97T09H3FKQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > Seems that the younger folks play the "my pings are better than yours"@ > combats, compare their traceroutes etc and complain about poor > performance   C As Duke Ellington said, it don't mean a thing if you ain't got thatu ping!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:59:30 -0500 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>e% Subject: Re: Interpreting Traceroutes)/ Message-ID: <v7usdkh9acub2a@news.supernews.com>j  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messaged) news:3E7F4A78.84ADA0E0@vl.videotron.ca...aK > In looking at potential repolacements for my current ISP, I have had some-I > discussions with folks about their traceroutes. Some guys on my currentB ISPTL > claim traceroutes in the 5-10 ms range, mine are way higher. Is it because myC > machines are slower (in the case below from a microvax 3100-30) ?h > K > The first one is a router that goes through a hub (converts from thinwireh toL > RJ45 and then into the router.) Are these numbers OK ? Or do they indicate a   > problem with my ethernet lan ? >e > $ traceroute  65.39.161.30G > traceroute to 65.39.161.30 (65.39.161.30): 1-30 hops, 38 byte packets C > > 1  router1.chocolate.com (10.0.0.1)  160 ms (ttl=254!)  90.0 ms: (ttl=254!)  90.0 ms (ttl=254!)5 > > 2  10.98.0.1 (10.98.0.1)  100 ms  90.0 ms  100 ms L > > 3  modemcable169.240-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (24.200.240.169)  100 ms 90.0 ms  90.0 ms > >...H > > 9  65.39.161.30 (65.39.161.30)  130 ms (ttl=246!)  120 ms (ttl=246!) 130 ms (ttl=246!)  >2 >RL > If I ping the router, I get a ping time of 10ms. So I am puzzled as to why a 3 > ping would be 10ms, but traceroute indicate 90ms.G >   L Is this a LinkSys router?  I've used a LinkSys router that had a strange wayC of handling traceroute packets.  If I remember correctly, it didn't.F decrememnt TTL is just handed the packet to the next hop.  I think theL "(ttl=254!)" is some sort or error message that the returned ttl wasn't whatI was expected.  I think the times listed in the first hop are actually then# time for the second hop to respond.-  I In any case, the first 2 hops are still within your site, correct?  100msmI within your own site is way out of line.  Using a MicroVAX 3100-30, I getSH times of either 0 or 10ms up to three hops away (the timer resolution is 10ms).  E It looks to me like you have a local problem and it's not a slow VAX./    H > Seems that the younger folks play the "my pings are better than yours"L > combats, compare their traceroutes etc and complain about poor performanceH > causing them to fall behind when they play games etc. I am not so muchI > concerned about games, but I would like to better unbderstand the exact.J > meaning of traceroutes. Can they truly be compared from site to site (on the A > same ISP) or are they really specific to a particular OS/host ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:44:07 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: Interpreting TraceroutesO/ Message-ID: <3E7F6E15.3014025F@vl.videotron.ca>e  @ Many thanks to those who have answered either here or via email.   I have done another test:o    N [MAC]------[BIKE]-------[VELO]------[hub]=======[router]=====[cablemodem].....    - -> thinwire
  = -> RJ45  ~ -> cableh    ' On MAC, I get a traceroute of 1 or 2 mssG On BIKE, a Microvax 3100-30, I get a traceroute of between 90 and 140msi (usualy 90) N On VELO, my all mighty microvax II, I get a traceroute of between 10 and 30 ms    ' BIKE has TCPIP 5.3 , VELO has TCPIP 5.0-  N BIKE is in a cluster with VELO, cluster usually has no problems, but from timeN to time, cluster does fail after loss of connection between the two (explained by gremlins on my ether).    Now, here is the good one:  2 traceroute from BIKE to VELO :  160 , 120 , 120 ms1 traceroute from VELO to BIKE :  20,   20  , 20 ms   ; Ping  between the two are constant and with 0% packet loss.a  N So BIKE seems to have some quirk that slows its transmissions. Could it be itsN ethernet hardware that is simply slow, versus the all mighty microvax II whise has an all mighty DELQUA ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:24:07 -0500c, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>% Subject: Re: Interpreting Traceroutes,* Message-ID: <3e7f879c@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  > there is a nice article about traceroute network issues etc atI http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtell/story/0,24330,3400275,00.htmlhK by john navas of the 'the navas group' some nice info on broadband problemsd etc. More stuff at the navas group web site.e    = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message ) news:3E7F4A78.84ADA0E0@vl.videotron.ca... K > In looking at potential repolacements for my current ISP, I have had somepI > discussions with folks about their traceroutes. Some guys on my currentr ISP2L > claim traceroutes in the 5-10 ms range, mine are way higher. Is it because myC > machines are slower (in the case below from a microvax 3100-30) ?d >tK > The first one is a router that goes through a hub (converts from thinwireh toL > RJ45 and then into the router.) Are these numbers OK ? Or do they indicate ae  > problem with my ethernet lan ? >  > $ traceroute  65.39.161.30G > traceroute to 65.39.161.30 (65.39.161.30): 1-30 hops, 38 byte packetsnC > > 1  router1.chocolate.com (10.0.0.1)  160 ms (ttl=254!)  90.0 msm (ttl=254!)  90.0 ms (ttl=254!)5 > > 2  10.98.0.1 (10.98.0.1)  100 ms  90.0 ms  100 mseL > > 3  modemcable169.240-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (24.200.240.169)  100 ms 90.0 ms  90.0 ms > >...H > > 9  65.39.161.30 (65.39.161.30)  130 ms (ttl=246!)  120 ms (ttl=246!) 130 ms (ttl=246!)i >r >uL > If I ping the router, I get a ping time of 10ms. So I am puzzled as to why at3 > ping would be 10ms, but traceroute indicate 90ms.e > H > Seems that the younger folks play the "my pings are better than yours"L > combats, compare their traceroutes etc and complain about poor performanceH > causing them to fall behind when they play games etc. I am not so muchI > concerned about games, but I would like to better unbderstand the exact2J > meaning of traceroutes. Can they truly be compared from site to site (on theIA > same ISP) or are they really specific to a particular OS/host ?m   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:29:08 GMT14 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>. Subject: Re: Mark Gorham was Re: Rich Marcello0 Message-ID: <3E88877A.792C79CD@blueyonder.co.uk>   Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > Nope JF not even you ;') > Q > just because you have a match it does not mean you have to start a forest fire.m >   I And just because you have the best OS in the planet doesn't mean you have8( to try to make a business success of it?        -- n tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk n  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 15:42:16 -0800( From: rickaldred@yahoo.com (Rick Aldred)2 Subject: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive: Message-ID: <4c6c3ca.0303241542.fa4623@posting.google.com>  > We have an old (March 28, 1990 stamped as fab date on chassis)D Microvax 3100 whose console blew up a few months ago. It was runningC OpenVMS 6.2. Now, all of a sudden, I have been told that we need todD get some data from this machine. It has an ethernet cable attched toB it. I tried booting it - mothing. I tried attaching an alternativeC serial console to it as directed in one of the FAQs. It still would C not boot. I tried taking a SCSI drive out, attaching it to an Alpha,E running OpenVMS for Alpha 1.5, but I could not successfully mount the  drive and read it.  E Should the Alpha (1.5) read the VAX (6.2) drive? If so waht would themF proper command for mounting the drive be? I tried a "mount dka0: data"C and that did not work. When I tried "sho dev dka0: /full" it showedH+ the correct size drive, but no usage stats.N  F I am stuck. Any ideas what I could try to read the data on the drive?   D To top things off, I am not a very good VMS user. I know just barely enough to get by.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:49:24 GMTe1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>r6 Subject: Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive2 Message-ID: <3E7FA51B.CCE48DD4@firstdbasource.com>   Rick Aldred wrote: > @ > We have an old (March 28, 1990 stamped as fab date on chassis)F > Microvax 3100 whose console blew up a few months ago. It was runningE > OpenVMS 6.2. Now, all of a sudden, I have been told that we need tooF > get some data from this machine. It has an ethernet cable attched toD > it. I tried booting it - mothing. I tried attaching an alternativeE > serial console to it as directed in one of the FAQs. It still would0E > not boot. I tried taking a SCSI drive out, attaching it to an AlphaHG > running OpenVMS for Alpha 1.5, but I could not successfully mount the. > drive and read it. > G > Should the Alpha (1.5) read the VAX (6.2) drive? If so waht would theFH > proper command for mounting the drive be? I tried a "mount dka0: data"E > and that did not work. When I tried "sho dev dka0: /full" it showedd- > the correct size drive, but no usage stats.  > G > I am stuck. Any ideas what I could try to read the data on the drive?  > F > To top things off, I am not a very good VMS user. I know just barely > enough to get by.7  @ It is probably SCSI-1 (narrow) , make sure the bus is terminatedC properly (terminator resistor packs or scsi terminator on the cable@ end.)a   try 9 $mount/over=id dka0 !!(or whatever the device name is...)i  G If you get garbage back when it reports the volume name, then the driveiG is probably toasted and will require a data recovery service to extracte  any data (and that ain't cheap).     -- > Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163d7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.coms   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:51:45 GMT . From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar>6 Subject: Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive/ Message-ID: <BKNfa.225555$qi4.112184@rwcrnsc54>o  5 Try this from your Alpha (from a privileged account):    mount dka0:  /over=ID   ; Where dk0: is the drive identifier of the disk in question.)  J It should be able to read the disk if the disk was not the original reason theyF MicroVAX died.  A little more information on the error message you areF getting when you attempted to mount the drive could be very helpful...  L You will not be able to get much information about the drive until it can be mounted.   Regards, Tom,  5 "Rick Aldred" <rickaldred@yahoo.com> wrote in messagei4 news:4c6c3ca.0303241542.fa4623@posting.google.com...@ > We have an old (March 28, 1990 stamped as fab date on chassis)F > Microvax 3100 whose console blew up a few months ago. It was runningE > OpenVMS 6.2. Now, all of a sudden, I have been told that we need totF > get some data from this machine. It has an ethernet cable attched toD > it. I tried booting it - mothing. I tried attaching an alternativeE > serial console to it as directed in one of the FAQs. It still would E > not boot. I tried taking a SCSI drive out, attaching it to an AlphaRG > running OpenVMS for Alpha 1.5, but I could not successfully mount thet > drive and read it. >iG > Should the Alpha (1.5) read the VAX (6.2) drive? If so waht would the(H > proper command for mounting the drive be? I tried a "mount dka0: data"E > and that did not work. When I tried "sho dev dka0: /full" it showedi- > the correct size drive, but no usage stats.  >lG > I am stuck. Any ideas what I could try to read the data on the drive?  >tF > To top things off, I am not a very good VMS user. I know just barely > enough to get by.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:54:55 GMTd! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzc6 Subject: Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive& Message-ID: <3e7fa83f.1555173691@news>  A On 24 Mar 2003 15:42:16 -0800, rickaldred@yahoo.com (Rick Aldred)  wrote:  ? >We have an old (March 28, 1990 stamped as fab date on chassis)cE >Microvax 3100 whose console blew up a few months ago. It was runningnD >OpenVMS 6.2. Now, all of a sudden, I have been told that we need toE >get some data from this machine. It has an ethernet cable attched toPC >it. I tried booting it - mothing. I tried attaching an alternativefD >serial console to it as directed in one of the FAQs. It still wouldD >not boot. I tried taking a SCSI drive out, attaching it to an AlphaF >running OpenVMS for Alpha 1.5, but I could not successfully mount the >drive and read it.l > F >Should the Alpha (1.5) read the VAX (6.2) drive? If so waht would theG >proper command for mounting the drive be? I tried a "mount dka0: data"gD >and that did not work. When I tried "sho dev dka0: /full" it showed, >the correct size drive, but no usage stats. >o  . The error you're getting back would be useful.D It is certainly possible to mount a drive from a MicroVAX 3100 on an Alpha.E I think folks might like to see the output from a show dev d command.e   You could try: mount dka0: /over=idents      G >I am stuck. Any ideas what I could try to read the data on the drive?   >hE >To top things off, I am not a very good VMS user. I know just barely  >enough to get by.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:16:59 -0400i0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive/ Message-ID: <3E7FBC10.43BD5C71@vl.videotron.ca>(   Rick Aldred wrote: > @ > We have an old (March 28, 1990 stamped as fab date on chassis)7 > Microvax 3100 whose console blew up a few months ago.p  J When you mention "console", what exactly are you talking about. The actualH terminal, or some hardware inside the Microvax that drives the console ?  2 > Should the Alpha (1.5) read the VAX (6.2) drive?   > If so waht would theH > proper command for mounting the drive be? I tried a "mount dka0: data"E > and that did not work. When I tried "sho dev dka0: /full" it showedu- > the correct size drive, but no usage stats.   M What message did MOUNT give you when you tried to mount that drive ? What wasr the mount command ?c  C Are you sure that SCSI IDs etc were set correctly ? Are you able to 8 MOUNT/FOREIGN/NOWRITE DKAxxxx: ? Or does that fail too ?> (Mount/FOREIGN should't matter about the format of the drive).  G > I am stuck. Any ideas what I could try to read the data on the drive?    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 13:20:04 -0800( From: TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com (Alder)  Subject: Re: MSIE ftp hangs FTPD< Message-ID: <a6840bf2.0303241320.1bc9a19@posting.google.com>  h "labadie" <en_trajectant_a_mort@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<Ht07a.431$fm4.339@news.cpqcorp.net>...  0 > Your Tqelm is too low for the ucx$ftp account.. > Your service limit is 50 for the TP service.J > If you really want to allow 50 simultaneous FTP transfers at a time, you > shouldD > $ mc authorize mod ucx$ftp/tqelm=100/bytlm=500000/pgflquota=200000 > then stop and restart Ftp. >   ? Where would I look to find the general rules about tuning these # account settings for anonymous FTP?t   Alderd   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:55:26 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n$ Subject: Re: My VMS Freeware area...' Message-ID: <3E7FD32E.FA170317@fsi.net>v   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Hi Folks,o > G > My web site host has broken access to my freeware area via the URL in 4 > the OpenVMS FAQ by disallowing directory listings. > A > I'm currently in negotiations to get them to turn this back on.i   This is fixed now.    > Sorry for the inconvenience...  	 ...again.e   -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:35:49 GMTt( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>) Subject: Netscape gags on VMS FTP Serverss, Message-ID: <3E7FDCA0.6020801@spammotel.com>  P Certain VMS-based FTP sites (my own among them, running TCPIP Services 5.3) are M responding with the following message when I connect with Netscape Navigator o$ 7.01 (Windows) using the FTP scheme:   Alert-P The FTP server 200 VMS OpenVMS V7.3 on node <ftp site> is currently unsupported.  Q Does anyone get similar behaviour using VMS Mozilla clients, or is this (likely) s9 a Netscape for Windows problem as I'm tempted to believe?p   Thanks for reading,E Alderi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:28:31 -0500 2 From: "David Reynolds" <datre@bellnospamsouth.net>- Subject: Re: new releases of MySQL and Python!8 Message-ID: <eRQfa.3551$hz3.828@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com>  L I have tried to build 4.0.12 had end up with the following error in a log of modules that are linked. ---->s% %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:d. %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         TCPIP$GET_H_ERRNO_ADDRD %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol TCPIP$GET_H_ERRNO_ADDR referenced)         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000040 '         in module MY_GETHOSTBYNAME filee( MYSQL_ROOT:[VMS.MYSQL.O_ALPHA.MYSYS]MY_G ETHOSTBYNAME.OBJ;1 <---->D There are also a bunch of undifened symbols in OS0FILE and LOCK0LOCK modules.' Any idea how to resolve these warnings? / Will they be a problem when running the images?  Details follow.    Thanks David Reynolds Gallatin Steel Co. Process Automation   ENVIRONMENTo DEV_MSCL2> sho sys /head/noproc J OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node MSCL2  24-MAR-2003 23:12:58.40  Uptime  5 00:13:25 DEV_MSCL2> tcpip sho ver  ?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 2 8   on a AlphaServer 1200 5/400 4MB running OpenVMS V7.2-1   DEV_MSCL2> cc /ver) Compaq C V6.4-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1n DEV_MSCL2> cxx /ver , Compaq C++ V6.5-004 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1   The following lines appeare in7 MYSQL_ROOT:[VMS.MYSQ.O_ALPHA.MYSYS]MY_GETHOSTBYNAME.MMSdH I suspect this is where part of the problem is, when the *.mms file gets
 generated.   MY_GETHOSTBYNAME.OBJ :L MSCL2$DKB0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.TCPIP]__DECC_INCLUDE_PROLOGUE.HK MY_GETHOSTBYNAME.OBJ :           SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.TCPIP]SOCKET.H   J This doesn't make sense why one line resolves SYS$COMMON but the next line doesn'ti DEV_MSCL2> SHO LOG SYS$COMMONiC    "SYS$COMMON" = "MSCL2$DKB0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)d  " References to the undefined symbol  . DEV_MSCL2> sear tcpip$examples:*.* get_h_errno   ******************************+ SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.TCPIP]NETDB.H;1-  &     int *TCPIP$GET_H_ERRNO_ADDR(void);, #   define h_errno *TCPIP$GET_H_ERRNO_ADDR()   ******************************, SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.TCPIP]RESOLV.H;1  " int *TCPIP$GET_H_ERRNO_ADDR(void);) #define h_errno *TCPIP$GET_H_ERRNO_ADDR()n        C "Jean-Franois PIRONNE" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in messagec% news:3E7991D3.DE578D9D@laposte.net...n >e > >t( > > Some files have ODS5-specifications. > >i > > config^.h.in > > mysql_version^.h.ine > > ib_config^.h.in  > 9 > They are not necessary, I have removed all these files.-L > I have noticed that MySQL 4.0.12 was released, I have ported this version, a newo > kit is online. >- >- > >-0 > > I'm trying to compile with C 6.5 C++ 6.5 andC > > Multinet and this gives me some unresolved references. I'm justt	 producing $ > > all listing to see what's wrong. >oJ > Don't know if this can work with Multinet, we have used TCPIp 5.3, but I am not) > aware of the use any specific routines.f >a > Jean-Franoisc   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 15:07:20 -0800' From: timasmith@hotmail.com (Tim Smith)s5 Subject: next installment - alpha 3000 console now...p= Message-ID: <a7234bb1.0303241507.4d1e0512@posting.google.com>m  E So I have the alpha3000 perched in my basement and I want to find thesC boot prompt but I need a console terminal - I don't have one.  I doiA have a Dell 8200 inspiron laptop with seemingly a male and female,C serial port.  Looking on the back of the alpha3000 I seem to have a A couple of possibilities one marked with an oval, the other with a  triangle in a square...t  E ...forgive my hardware ignorance, I really am a software tinkerer butsD is it possible to drop by Staples and pickup a serial cable, connect@ my laptop to the back of the Alpha3000, and configure a terminalD emulator with a lucky baud and parity to actually get this sucker toA see a boot prompt so I can proceed past go and collect some cash?f   many thanks in advance!S   Time   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:44:07 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>k9 Subject: Re: next installment - alpha 3000 console now...v2 Message-ID: <3E7FA3DF.B9C42445@firstdbasource.com>   Tim Smith wrote: > G > So I have the alpha3000 perched in my basement and I want to find the4E > boot prompt but I need a console terminal - I don't have one.  I do C > have a Dell 8200 inspiron laptop with seemingly a male and femaletE > serial port.  Looking on the back of the alpha3000 I seem to have anC > couple of possibilities one marked with an oval, the other with ad > triangle in a square...n > G > ...forgive my hardware ignorance, I really am a software tinkerer butbF > is it possible to drop by Staples and pickup a serial cable, connectB > my laptop to the back of the Alpha3000, and configure a terminalF > emulator with a lucky baud and parity to actually get this sucker toC > see a boot prompt so I can proceed past go and collect some cash?a >  > many thanks in advance!0 >  > Tim   C you will need a serial cross-over cable *pins 2&3 swapped.  baud ise& generally 9600 8bits No parity 1 stop.   -- 7 Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163r   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 17:43:45 -0800' From: timasmith@hotmail.com (Tim Smith) 9 Subject: Re: next installment - alpha 3000 console now...-= Message-ID: <a7234bb1.0303241743.3792b11b@posting.google.com>   l timasmith@hotmail.com (Tim Smith) wrote in message news:<a7234bb1.0303241507.4d1e0512@posting.google.com>...G > So I have the alpha3000 perched in my basement and I want to find thecE > boot prompt but I need a console terminal - I don't have one.  I dovC > have a Dell 8200 inspiron laptop with seemingly a male and femalelE > serial port.  Looking on the back of the alpha3000 I seem to have a0C > couple of possibilities one marked with an oval, the other with ao > triangle in a square...T > G > ...forgive my hardware ignorance, I really am a software tinkerer butwF > is it possible to drop by Staples and pickup a serial cable, connectB > my laptop to the back of the Alpha3000, and configure a terminalF > emulator with a lucky baud and parity to actually get this sucker toC > see a boot prompt so I can proceed past go and collect some cash?h >  > many thanks in advance!a >  > Tim   " further details as I work on this:  @ 1) I purchased a Null modem cable (Belkin PC to PC cable DB9 and DB25). 2) Plugged in keyboard? 3) I plugged into laptop and the top right Alpha3000 9-pin slote
 4) Booted:       a) quick initial beep        b) loud 4 uneven beeps1       c) minute later another loud 4 uneven beeps D 5) I tried doing 'set console serial' but every time I type a key it beeps loudly  D If I boot without the keyboard it does the loud 4 uneven beeps twice agains  B In any serial trying to connect with my laptop on COM1 or3 on 9600E baud 8 bit no parity (since not sure which I'm plugged into) does not. work.   = Any ideas... should I get a dec terminal to make life easier?M   thanks   Tim>   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 18:58:28 -0800' From: timasmith@hotmail.com (Tim Smith)w9 Subject: Re: next installment - alpha 3000 console now...e= Message-ID: <a7234bb1.0303241858.576b31e8@posting.google.com>o  l timasmith@hotmail.com (Tim Smith) wrote in message news:<a7234bb1.0303241507.4d1e0512@posting.google.com>...G > So I have the alpha3000 perched in my basement and I want to find thedE > boot prompt but I need a console terminal - I don't have one.  I dofC > have a Dell 8200 inspiron laptop with seemingly a male and femaleuE > serial port.  Looking on the back of the alpha3000 I seem to have anC > couple of possibilities one marked with an oval, the other with aa > triangle in a square...  > G > ...forgive my hardware ignorance, I really am a software tinkerer butiF > is it possible to drop by Staples and pickup a serial cable, connectB > my laptop to the back of the Alpha3000, and configure a terminalF > emulator with a lucky baud and parity to actually get this sucker toC > see a boot prompt so I can proceed past go and collect some cash?w >  > many thanks in advance!f >  > Timo  D hmmm, more useless info: I can't find a 'S3 switch' anywhere and theF one DEC 3000 document I found is of a short workstation whereas my DECD Server 3000 is a tower shaped and has little on the back - though it> does have that funny shaped port perhaps MMJ which I should be plugging in a VT Terminal?   Tim    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:51:17 -0500e! From: VAXVMS <bounce@notmail.com> 1 Subject: Ping (was: RE: Interpreting Traceroutes)hK Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4903027BE1@rlghncst964.usps.gov>   H > Seems that the younger folks play the "my pings are better than yours"@ > combats, compare their traceroutes etc and complain about poor
 > performancee  C As Duke Ellington said, it don't mean a thing if you ain't got thats ping!i  B This reminded me of what is arguably the most demented book review
 ever written:o  L http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0140502416/qid=1048546187/sr=8; -3/ref=sr_8_3/002-9059878-4812817?v=glance&s=books&n=507846h   ========================  William W. Webb - EMS Operations) OpenVMS Systems Support - USPS DSSC Annexi, 4730 Hargrove Road, Raleigh, NC 27616-2874  > 919.325.7500 x4186  <FirstInitialLastNameAtEmailDotUSPSDotGov>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:56:42 -05000; From: "Brian Tillman" <Brian.Tillman@notnoone.notnohow.com>r8 Subject: Re: Remotely opening a window on my workstation$ Message-ID: <3e7f710a$1@news.si.com>  L >Is there some service or website somehwere that would allow me to open an XA >display on my workstation from the remote system ? (to test that 
 capability) ?c  B Sign up for an account on Encompasserve (eisner.encompasserve.org) -- nI Brian Tillman         Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot comn5 Smiths Aerospace  Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.i@ 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "." Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991 8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:24:13 -0600u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>0 Subject: Re: SAMBA questionl' Message-ID: <3E7FD9ED.7209032D@fsi.net>s   Brian Tillman wrote: > 1 > >(http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/).4 > >): > >The links on the page still points to the 2_2_4 kits... >  > Huh?  They point to V2.2.7at > A > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/samba-2_2_7a-src.zipmI > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/samba-2_2_7a-obj.zip (Alpha)iK > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/samba-2_2_7a-obj_vax.zip (VAX)t   FWIW...   G I'm whipping up an install CD such that the kit can be easily installed H from the CD without having to copy the entire directory tree down to the disc.   > So far, I've had to make a few edits in the INSTALL, LINK (now@ LINK_ALPHA) and LINK_VAX .COM procedures as well as developing aH VMS-platform-neutral LINK.COM. The second test install succeeded and I'mF currently developing an UNINSTALL.COM to ease further testing and justH for general assistance. I'll be testing it on both (Micro)VAX and Alpha.H I don't have IPF .OBJs nor do I have an IPF machine to test on. So, thatE can be added later adding a directory branch containing the IPF .OBJswA and .OLB(s), and by adding a LINK_I64.COM (or whatever _suffix is 
 appropriate).'  ' Yes, I'm working with the 2.2-7A .ZIPs.e  C If possible, I'll post the .ODS image. If I end up at HP World (fkasB DECUS/CETS/HP-ETS), I'll be sure to bring CD-Rs to pass around, orF e-mail me privately if you want one (how to demung the reply-to should be obvious).   -- h David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 12:22:26 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert! < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0303241222.66d4b18@posting.google.com>   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E7EF4C7.10102@nospamn.sun.com>...s > David Webb wrote:>l > > In article <d7791aa1.0303211729.730c8be3@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > >  > >>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E7B2646.70809@nospamn.sun.com>...w > >> > >>>Bob Ceculski wrote: > >>> 1 > >>>>the inquirer has the details, and Andrew, I90 > >>>>guess certs aren't important, esp. if they > >>>>point to your os ... > >>>>. > >>>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8436 > >>>  > >>>Well to be more clear.s > >>>A/ > >>>Solaris, HP-UX, Tru64, OpenVMS, AIX, Linuxr% > >>>IRIX are all probably vunerable.h > >>>  > >>>Regards > >>>Andrew Harrison > >>/ > >>what's vms got to do with a unix/linux bug?e > >  > >  > > R > > Probably referring to the fact that the DEC TCPIP services stack uses the sameR > > codebase as the TRU64 TCPIP stack and the fact that the HP VMS Kerberos server > > is based on MIT's code.IN > > However the substantial differences between VMS and Unix doesn't mean thatN > > these facts automatically make VMS vulnerable even if TRU64 is vulnerable. > >  > ? > No but then it also doesn't mean that OpenVMS isn't vunerablet? > so Bob in his great wisdom has chosen to publicise what couldt$ > easily be an OpenVMS vunerability. >  > Way to go Bob. > 	 > Regardse > Andrew Harrisont  A as you read below, it is not as many "c" and unix garbage libraryt= bugs fail to affect vms as those pesky little "accvio" errorse5 stop you in your tracks ... remember this one Andrew?r  = http://www.process.com/techsupport/tcpware/faqs/snmpcert.html   9 time after time openvms runs unix apps and libraries plus 4 gives you something unix/linux doesn't ... SECURITY!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:30:06 +0300 ( From: GluckMaker <gluckmaker@mtu-net.ru>* Subject: System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.3* Message-ID: <3E7ED01E.C2FE4D49@mtu-net.ru>   Hello, All!n  P Now I am trying to install VMS 7.3 on my Alpha machine: DEC 3000/300LX (please, L don't laugh!!!). It is 21064-125 with 32 Mb of RAM and 2Gb HDD. InstallationK starts, all selected software (VMS itself, DECwindows, DECnet and TCPIP) ispM copied, installator proposes me to restart system, but after reboot I recievea these messages:a   ===CUT HERE===8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-MAR-2003 14:49:03.38  %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user WBM$SERVERF %WBM-I-WBMINFO Write Bitmap has successfully completed initialization.  C  %SYSTEM-W-PAGEFRAG, page file filling up; please create more spacev  E  %SYSTEM-W-PAGECRIT, page file nearly full; system trying to continue   P  %SYSTEM-W-PAGEFILEFULL, all page or swap files are full; system trying to conti nued  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-MAR-2003 14:49:09.29  %%%%%%%%%%%! Message from user SYSTEM on ALPHAgA %JBC-E-OPENERR, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]QMAN$MASTER.DAT;e  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-MAR-2003 14:49:09.29  %%%%%%%%%%%! Message from user SYSTEM on ALPHAk -RMS-E-FNF, file not found ===CUT HERE===  D And at this point machine hangs. After manual reboot AUTOGEN starts N successfully, says that system is configured, and reboots it. But it does not  boot:0   ===CUT HERE=== AUDIT_BOOT_STARTS ...  AUDIT_CHECKSUM_GOOD3 AUDIT_LOAD_BEGINS4 AUDIT_LOAD_DONE.      9     OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3    -   ===CUT HERE===  O And nothing more. How do you think, what is wrong: too little memory, too smallHN hard disk, or anything else? What is minimal configuration on wich OpenVMS canK start? As I've read on openvms.compaq.com, it supports DEC 3000 series, butgM there was no any mentioning about necessery amount of memory and minimal harda disk space.a  H Also, when AUTOGEN is working, it complains on this error several times:   ===CUT HERE===8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-MAR-2003 14:58:28.00  %%%%%%%%%%%! Message from user SYSTEM on ALPHA A %JBC-E-OPENERR, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]QMAN$MASTER.DAT;r  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  23-MAR-2003 14:58:28.00  %%%%%%%%%%%! Message from user SYSTEM on ALPHAm -RMS-E-FNF, file not found ===CUT HERE===  
 Is it normal?0    I P.S. Maybe, my questions are silly, but I have never seen OpenVMS before.P   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:50:04 +0100 (MET)n9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e. Subject: Re: System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.3; Message-ID: <01KTX3VKJ7OA9H3FKQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h  H > Now I am trying to install VMS 7.3 on my Alpha machine: DEC 3000/300LXJ > (please, don't laugh!!!). It is 21064-125 with 32 Mb of RAM and 2Gb HDD.E > Installation starts, all selected software (VMS itself, DECwindows, I > DECnet and TCPIP) is copied, installator proposes me to restart system,t- > but after reboot I recieve these messages: 0  G > And nothing more. How do you think, what is wrong: too little memory,.I > too small hard disk, or anything else? What is minimal configuration on2I > wich OpenVMS can start? As I've read on openvms.compaq.com, it supports I > DEC 3000 series, but there was no any mentioning about necessery amount ) > of memory and minimal hard disk space. t  @ 32 GB (or perhaps even 16) was THEORETICALLY possible with 7.1. F However, 64 was a realistic minimum even with that version of VMS.  I   doubt that 32 is enough for 7.3.  I Disk space?  You can probably fit VMS 7.1 on a 1-GB disk, but you should eI have at least 2 GB.  If you plan to install lots of layered products, go  	 for 4 GB.e  E My guess is that the 1-GB disk is an internal disk.  I would suggest  G getting a 4 GB external disk (better yet, 2 of them and build a shadow lH set) and putting the system on that.  You can use the internal disk for  a page/swap disk.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:46:23 -0500n  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>. Subject: Re: System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.35 Message-ID: <1030324192816.2432A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   * On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Phillip Helbig wrote:  J > > Now I am trying to install VMS 7.3 on my Alpha machine: DEC 3000/300LXL > > (please, don't laugh!!!). It is 21064-125 with 32 Mb of RAM and 2Gb HDD.G > > Installation starts, all selected software (VMS itself, DECwindows,hK > > DECnet and TCPIP) is copied, installator proposes me to restart system, / > > but after reboot I recieve these messages: r > I > > And nothing more. How do you think, what is wrong: too little memory,rK > > too small hard disk, or anything else? What is minimal configuration on3K > > wich OpenVMS can start? As I've read on openvms.compaq.com, it supportsRK > > DEC 3000 series, but there was no any mentioning about necessery amounte+ > > of memory and minimal hard disk space. t > B > 32 GB (or perhaps even 16) was THEORETICALLY possible with 7.1. H > However, 64 was a realistic minimum even with that version of VMS.  I " > doubt that 32 is enough for 7.3. > K > Disk space?  You can probably fit VMS 7.1 on a 1-GB disk, but you should aK > have at least 2 GB.  If you plan to install lots of layered products, go c > for 4 GB.e > G > My guess is that the 1-GB disk is an internal disk.  I would suggest II > getting a 4 GB external disk (better yet, 2 of them and build a shadow bJ > set) and putting the system on that.  You can use the internal disk for  > a page/swap disk.g  D What Philip says above is pretty much correct, but it is possible toE run VMS V7.3 on an Alpha on a 1-GB disk.  It is a very tight squeeze! C I have a DEC 3000 Model 300 running that way.  It is running TCP/IPeB V5.3, DECWindows, etc.  It does have 160MB memory, which should beC the difference between running slowly and running extremely slowly, 4 but not the difference between working and crashing.  ? Your specific problem is you are out of pagefile space.  If you1C have free space on your disk, you can expand the pagefile, provided:A it's not too fragmented.  (If it is too fragmented, you will havehC to defrag the disk first.  The easiest way to do this, though it is D time-consuming, is to boot the VMS installation CDROM and use backupD to save and restore it.  You need a tape drive or second disk.  This7 has the added benefit of getting you a current backup.)   < The easiest way to expand the pagefile is to use the command? procedure sys$update:swapfiles.com.  It will report the currenti? sizes of the page, swap and dump files, and ask how big to makepA them.  The page file is the one you need to make bigger.  You can C find out how much free space is on the disk with "$ show device dk"y? You probably want to at least double the size of the page file,l@ but not increase it by more than the free space.  (If you have a@ big dump file, but not enough free space, you can get rid of theD dump file by renaming it (sys$system:sysdump.dmp to something else),B reboot, delete it, and then use its space to expand the page file.4 I would only do this if desperate for space, though.  > You may have to boot "MIN" to get far enough that you can muck> around with the page file.  Instructions for doing this are in the FAQ.  > Once you get this squared away, you should use autogen to tune? the page (and swap and dump) files properly.  There may be tons ; of space locked up in dump files, etc.  (Last night I found ; about 300K blocks in thousands of old versions of Samba logh> and lock files on one of my system disks.  It's much easier to= find and deal with stuff like this once you get the system up 
 and running!)y   -- f John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:52:02 GMTm! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzs. Subject: Re: System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.3& Message-ID: <3e7fa152.1553399920@news>  8 On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:50:04 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:   I >> Now I am trying to install VMS 7.3 on my Alpha machine: DEC 3000/300LX-K >> (please, don't laugh!!!). It is 21064-125 with 32 Mb of RAM and 2Gb HDD.lF >> Installation starts, all selected software (VMS itself, DECwindows,J >> DECnet and TCPIP) is copied, installator proposes me to restart system,. >> but after reboot I recieve these messages:  >eH >> And nothing more. How do you think, what is wrong: too little memory,J >> too small hard disk, or anything else? What is minimal configuration onJ >> wich OpenVMS can start? As I've read on openvms.compaq.com, it supportsJ >> DEC 3000 series, but there was no any mentioning about necessery amount* >> of memory and minimal hard disk space.  >-A >32 GB (or perhaps even 16) was THEORETICALLY possible with 7.1. iG >However, 64 was a realistic minimum even with that version of VMS.  I D! >doubt that 32 is enough for 7.3.g >oJ >Disk space?  You can probably fit VMS 7.1 on a 1-GB disk, but you should J >have at least 2 GB.  If you plan to install lots of layered products, go 
 >for 4 GB. > F >My guess is that the 1-GB disk is an internal disk.  I would suggest H >getting a 4 GB external disk (better yet, 2 of them and build a shadow I >set) and putting the system on that.  You can use the internal disk for   >a page/swap disk.  B I've got a DEC 3000 300L running 7.3-1. It's running TCPIP, Motif,C DECnet V and the HP web Agents. It's got 64MB of Memory and it usesu= between 88% and 90% when it's pretty much idle with no users.a   Tracked down the SPD: 2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF  F In there it states the minimum amount of memory for an Alpha is 64MB.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:42:36 -0400a0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>. Subject: Re: System reqirements of OpenVMS 7.3/ Message-ID: <3E7FB403.87EB853E@vl.videotron.ca>e   GluckMaker wrote:nE >  %SYSTEM-W-PAGEFRAG, page file filling up; please create more spaceM > G >  %SYSTEM-W-PAGECRIT, page file nearly full; system trying to continue    Ohhh ! that's a nasty message. eM Essentially, whatever processes that are running are taking up more page filee space than has been allocated. p  G You need to get in SYSBOOT> prompt with a magic incantation of the BOOTt< command ( for instance B/1 on vax). There, you will want to:   SYSBOOT> SHOW/STARTUPeM Take a note of that file. (if you are in the middle of an upgrade/install, it H will be some command procedure which, upon booting, continues the boot). SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP = "OPA0:" SYSBOOT> CONTINUEI  K This will boot a certain amount and then prompt you for input as if it were - reading the startup command from the console.c   Then:s   $SHOW MEMORY/FILESM This will display the swap and page files that are installed and how big theyI1 are. I think they may be just a mere 5000 blocks.    Then: 
 $MC SYSGEN SYSGEN> USE CURRENT N SYSGEN> CREATE/CONTIGUOUS/SIZE=50000 SYS$SYSTEM:PAGEFILE.SYS (or whatever fileM was shown as pagefile in the SHOW MEMORY.) This will create a new pagefile ofd6 50000 blocks one version above the existing small one.: SYSGEN> SET STARTUP ="the original file from SHOW/STARTUP" SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENTt SYSGEN> EXIT  M Then, you can reboot the machine and it will use the new bigger page file andaK continue the installation procedure where it was. ("CURRENT" is the currento; parameters file, and the WRIRTE command saves the changes).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:51:36 -0600i( From: Michael Rice <marice@whiteice.com>- Subject: Re: System Special for VMS NewsGroup>/ Message-ID: <v7vkib91ijq43a@corp.supernews.com>s  ' On 3/24/2003 11:36 AM, Dirk Munk wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > J >> In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEMOGNAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden"  >> <tom@kednos.com> writes:u >> >>8 >>> Is the open PCI slot consumed by the Graphics board/ >> >> >>J >> The DS10L has only one PCI slot.  If you add a graphics card, that willH >> take up the slot.  I though there was one card that could be added toH >> provide a combination of functions in a single slot, but someone else0 >> would have to state what those functions are. >> > K > There is a combo card with graphics, LVD SCSI and ethernet. It should be t3 > in the quickspecs on the HP Alphaserver web site.t >   G The combo card with the graphics is 3X-DEPVZ-AA.  It has 1 Ultra2 SCSI n, channel, 2D graphics, and 1 10/100 Ethernet.  H My question is: Will this card also work in my XP1000?  I'd like to add C an additional SCSI channel and Ethernet.  Could I use the graphics g) adapter to provide a dual-headed display?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:17:47 +0100 * From: Giles Todd <gt@localhost.at-dot.org> Subject: Re: unixs8 Message-ID: <ou0v7v4brom25ba9kqfm1h9sbq13mjtc6b@4ax.com>  6 On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:01:13 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith$ <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message, <20030323080113.2a7b5fa0.steveo@eircom.net>:  , > 	Have you considered the cost of a tram :)  C Yes, but I'm not sure that it would render pr0n any faster than the  kit I already have.n   Giles.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Mar 2003 13:06:23 -0800% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) " Subject: What is PRV-F-INSFCREDITH; Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0303241306.16ab1a@posting.google.com>u  B PRV-F-INSFCREDITH, insufficeint connection message buffer credits, high priority request   6 What does this message mean, how do I fix the problem?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:31:07 -0500t( From: Reza Tehrani <mt2151@columbia.edu>' Subject: Re: X-window and Xlib question , Message-ID: <3E7F6B0B.DF00B2A9@columbia.edu>   Hi Phillip,:   Phillip Helbig wrote:t > L > > We have a  AlphaServer running OpenVMS V7.1-2 with TCP/IP V4.2. There is= > > no problem with telneting and ftping to it from anywhere.0 > % > Can you telnet FROM it to anywhere?r    > Yes. I can telnet from it to anywhere and from anywhere to it.      > > However whenI > > we try to export the display and X-windows library within our subnet,l> > > the network connection stops working (the error message is > H > > Now if we do the same thing from outside the subnet everything works	 > > fine.. > = > Can you display X11 stuff FROM somewhere else ON the ALPHA?e  F Actually no. I have tried to telnet to another VMS and ran decterm andB it didn't give permission. I added the IP of the remote VMS to theD security and used the following command "set dis/cre/node=IP_Number". with /tran=decnet and without it. None worked.    tG > Note that when you display a window FROM the ALPHA TO somewhere else,kH > this is more akin to telnetting FROM the ALPHA, so let us know if that > works first. > J > > I heard that it might the problem with our gateway and router settingsI > > for x-lib port but the fact is we don't have any problem of exportingo > > display for Sun workstaion.  > I > > I have also added x-server port 6000 and font-server port 7001 to the0J > > OpenVMS network ports but the problem still persists (I wasn't able to% > > enable them; is that a problem?).o > > 8 > > X-SERVER    6000  TCP  not defined  0.0.0.0 Disabled7 > > FONT-SERVER 7100  TCP  not defined 0.0.0.0 Disabled, > ' > What are the "OpenVMS network ports"?< > ' > Note that X can use ports 6000--6063.:  D When I did "ucx show services" I didn't see any port in the range ofB 6000 and 7000. Therefore I added the 6000 and 7100 to the servicesF using  "ucx set service /port=6000 ..." command. I am not sure if thisC is the correct way of doing. How did you enable your X-lib ports toa receive the connection?t     G > I had a similar problem on my home system which was probably due to an  > wrong MTU value on the router.E > It sounds to me like a) the port is being blocked or b) there is nof > route to the host.  F My feeling is that it is probably because of (a) because I can get theH x-lib for the remote sun machince from my PC. Though I am lost on how to@ go about fixing it. I would apparecite your help in this regard.   Thanks Reza   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 02:47:59 GMTr& From: Carlos <carlos@canada.terra.sol>Q Subject: Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and w/o directory-specs.e8 Message-ID: <240320031847599514%carlos@canada.terra.sol>  G I had the exact same errors using BACKUP/IMAGE in VMS 7.1-2. In my case E I was doing a BACKUP/IMAGE from one disk drive to another in order tolF defragment the disk. Both drives were not mounted system wide, I did aD purge/keep=1, then an ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on the source drive, then the
 BACKUP/IMAGE.e  ? I got the same error of NOSUCHFILE, with the empty [] directoryiD indication. Absolutely there was no activity on the drive except for the BACKUP.   D Being a GOLD Support client, I escalated this to HP, showing them myF DCL code and the error log. Basically, the guy I talked to was stumpedD and his only suggestion was to do explicit ALLOCATE before doing theA BACKUP/IMAGE. Doubtfully I did do that but with the same results.o  E The errors do not always occur, but do rather frequently, about every F other disk I degrag. The error affects us because the defrag procedureF is intended to be run by our Operations dept and when errors like this3 come up they escalate (page me!) which is a bother.F  C When I look at the disk after, the files indicated really are *not*aE there, so BACKUP isn't lying. But why does it try to copy them? We're @ still working on this with Gold support and if we come up with a solution I'll post it.   Carlos    E In article <b096a4ee.0303211500.3ab58fcf@posting.google.com>, Alan E. ' Feldman <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:i   > Hello, > E > Question about BACKUP/IMAGE files not found: Below you can see some-G > files called XXMONREM.LOG which were not found. The job XXMONREM runsHA > every 35 minutes and it purges its logfile, XXMONREM.LOG, to 20 H > versions each run. So I assume this has something to do with the filesF > being purged during the backup. Now, can anyone explain why one fileF > appears twice with and without a real dir-spec and why the other has
 > just []? > 
 > Thanks.  > H > (Please, I am aware of the problems with /IGNORE=INTERLOCK, but we are > covered otherhow.) > @ > $            BACKUP SYS$SYSDEVICE _MKA0:SY030321.BCK /SAVE_SET > /LABEL=BACKUP    -G >                  /VERIFY /IMAGE /IGNORE=INTERLOCK /BLOCK=32256 /NOLOGl > [...]-H > %BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$SYSDEVICE:[XX]XXMONREM.LOG;2087 as > inputd$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileF > %BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$SYSDEVICE:[]XXMONREM.LOG;2087 as > input@$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileF > %BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$SYSDEVICE:[]XXMONREM.LOG;2086 as > inputa$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file3 > %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification passE >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:54:12 -060001 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> Q Subject: Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and w/o directory-specs.o' Message-ID: <3E7FD2E4.6D0C2CCE@fsi.net>a  
 Carlos wrote:u > I > I had the exact same errors using BACKUP/IMAGE in VMS 7.1-2. In my casenG > I was doing a BACKUP/IMAGE from one disk drive to another in order toeH > defragment the disk. Both drives were not mounted system wide, I did aF > purge/keep=1, then an ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on the source drive, then the > BACKUP/IMAGE.> > A > I got the same error of NOSUCHFILE, with the empty [] directory.F > indication. Absolutely there was no activity on the drive except for
 > the BACKUP.v > F > Being a GOLD Support client, I escalated this to HP, showing them myH > DCL code and the error log. Basically, the guy I talked to was stumpedF > and his only suggestion was to do explicit ALLOCATE before doing theC > BACKUP/IMAGE. Doubtfully I did do that but with the same results..  G What you're likely seeing is the result of "orphaned" directory entriesPD as well as "lost" files (files with no directory entry or an invalid directory backlink).   -- C David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/M   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.165 ************************