1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 27 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 170       Contents:2 Re: ACCVIO error:  in house COBOL program.  NEWBIE Re: Alpha workstation wanted. 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising M BOF sessions at CUO/Interex/DECUS European Users Conference & Expo, May 19-21  DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK - clarification ? Re: DECUS UK - clarification ? Re: DECUS UK - clarification ?6 Freebsd 5.0, simh, openvms and network problem...HELP! High RMS file activity Re: High RMS file activity Re: High RMS file activity Re: High RMS file activity Re: High RMS file activity# Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!  infovaxRe: DECUS UK  Re: infovaxRe: DECUS UK  Re: infovaxRe: DECUS UK 0 Re: Is someone running Spamassassin on OpenVMS ?0 Re: Is someone running Spamassassin on OpenVMS ?0 Re: Is someone running Spamassassin on OpenVMS ?, Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How?- Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive 1 Re: Need List of Patches for 'Post' 7.2-2 upgrade P Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai OpenVMS/VAX Installation Media" Re: OpenVMS/VAX Installation Media" Re: OpenVMS/VAX Installation Media Port VMS Pascal to PC  Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC  Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC  Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC  Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC & Problem with 7.3-1 on AlphaStation 600 RSH and ACCVIO Re: RSH and ACCVIO" SECRET WEAPON (Re: RSH and ACCVIO)& Re: SECRET WEAPON (Re: RSH and ACCVIO) SET NOTRUNCATE Re: Suggestion to Sue  RE: Suggestion to Sue  Re: Suggestion to Sue & Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!" TCP/IP 5.1 and SMTP authentication1 Re: Terminal driver for VAX synchronous interface 1 Re: Terminal driver for VAX synchronous interface * VT320 switches to 132 column mode on login& We need your ELSA GLoria Synergy Cards Re: What is PRV-F-INSFCREDITH  Re: Write Bitmap questions Re: Write Bitmap questionsH Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and w/o directory-specs.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:01:40 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) ; Subject: Re: ACCVIO error:  in house COBOL program.  NEWBIE 5 Message-ID: <934B8A93Bwarrenspencer1977@216.168.3.30>   6 rsheehan@ci.bellevue.wa.us (Richard Sheehan) wrote in 2 <3608772e.0303230200.1d13936f@posting.google.com>:  > >I'm new to OpenVMS, and even newer to debugging COBOL on this
 >platform. >   
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 >  4243: P-2. - >  4244:         READ UB-CRC-FILE NEXT RECORD  >  4245:           AT END  >  4246:             GO TO P-9.   J I'd suggest contacting your system manager to see of the a new version of K Cobol (or any other related product) has been installed.  "What's changed"  I is a good question to ask when mature code breaks for no apparent reason.   K Now this is a huge stretch, but once I had a VMS/Cobol problem with the Go  C To statement, when the target of the goto is in fact the very next  J statement in the program.  Does the "GO TO P-9" happen to target the next  program statement?  L And I recall that the /[no]optimize compile-time qualifier played a roll in J all this (which seems logical, since a goto to the next program statement  _should_ be optimized out).    ws   --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  + ** What's brown and sticky?    A stick.  **    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:23:24 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> & Subject: Re: Alpha workstation wanted.8 Message-ID: <68268vsa3h85bj5qd1dfp61u2li0rg1n16@4ax.com>  O On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:56:26 -0000, "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> wrote:   I Not quite fast enough for your requirements but there is Digital Personal 2 Workstation 433au on Ebay in the UK at the moment.M http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3408392868&category=1484    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:46:11 +0000 ' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS). Message-ID: <3E8338E3.6010808@nospamn.sun.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Keith Parris wrote:  > b >>"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E7FD21F.68CEAD0A@fsi.net>... >>J >>>Well, I'd be careful there. Cerner with the back-end on AIX is at least- >>>as viable as having the back-end on VMS...  >>H >>IBM has been waffling lately as to whether AIX will survive long-term,A >>given the popularity of Linux.  In contrast, VMS has the strong ; >>support of HP, and a long-term path laid out ahead of it.  >>E >>And since 80% of Cerner customers use VMS compared with 20% at most E >>for AIX, I think it is the AIX back-end which is arguably much less 	 >>viable.  >  > H > IBM has one thing VMS lacks. Hint: it's the same problem you have on a > foggy day. >  > G >>"Today Cerner serves some 1,500 clients, 80% of whom run their Cerner 8 >>applications on HP OpenVMS AlphaServer technology." --? >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf  >  > G > Hhmmm... I wonder what it would take to get Cerner to put that in the 4 > Wall Street Journal as a full-page or two-page ad? >   : I am not sure what the point would be, Cerner have already> entered an agreement with IBM to develop their next generation= of products using a DBMS that doesn't run on OpenVMS. If they / drop Oracle then OpenVMS is dead as a platform.   G > What VMS has now is meaningless compared to what VMS will lose unless ' > this advertising issue gets resolved.  >   ; In this case it isn't advertising thats needed, before that < you need to get Cerner to change their long term development, strategy so that it doesn't exclude OpenVMS.  8 If you don't do that then spending money on WSJ pages is hardly going to be worth while.   A > Could VMS survive if Cerner found another platform? Ask the VMS ; > Marketing mavens that one and watch their faces blanch...  >   C Its going to have to since Cerners product strategy will eventually = result in no support for OpenVMS assuming a wholesale move to  DB2.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 12:13:38 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)3 Message-ID: <j7wECkE5NQSF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3E8338E3.6010808@nospamn.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy writes:   > E > Its going to have to since Cerners product strategy will eventually ? > result in no support for OpenVMS assuming a wholesale move to  > DB2. >   A 	That would be a risky gambit in many ways.  Currently, there are A 	3 core DBMS technologies in HealthCare.  Oracle , Microsoft SQL, C 	and Cache.  Several institutions have a bear of a time finding the B 	Oracle and Cache people.  Having them to hunt down folks familiarB 	with DB2 would be very unpopular no matter how you slice and dice 	it.  A 	Tell them they have to convert from Oracle to DB2 and they would  	run screaming from the room.   = 	The risk would be the DBAs would push back very hard against E 	DB2 in HealthCare - they are fighting to keep up now as it is.  Come A 	RFP time and DB2 is listed as the back-end, I'd almost guarantee ? 	the DBAs would put a line through that vendor on the chart and  	fight it tooth and nail.    				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:57:47 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising0 Message-ID: <3E831DF2.922A43FD@blueyonder.co.uk>   John Smith wrote:    D > I keep waking up from nightmares at night, bathed in a cold sweat,H > saying over and over "I don't believe in Erich von Daniken's theories.A > I don't believe in alien crop circles. I don't believe in alien F > abduction. I don't believe in Roswell aliens. I don't believe GeorgeF > Bush. But I do believe that HP is trying to kill VMS in the market."  C I was chatting yesterday to an agent trying to market Oracle skills F locally. He had not heard of VMS. Oracle runs on VMS. Sort of backs up your last sentence.         --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 08:01:43 -0800% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) V Subject: BOF sessions at CUO/Interex/DECUS European Users Conference & Expo, May 19-21= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0303270801.23a680ce@posting.google.com>   K At the upcoming conference it will be possible to organize ad-hoc sessions, L called Birds-Of-a-Feather (BOF) sessions. These sessions will generally haveF an informal and interactive nature. Also, they will have most likely a technical nature.   K I would like to organize two of such BOF sessions. I am not sure if it is a . coincidence that both have similar titles :-).I By announcing them here, I might attract the attention of people involved  with these products.  Q Anyone who will attend the conference and is interested in, or has concerns about < the topics, is invited to participate in these BOF sessions.   The topics are:   T TCP/IP services for OpenVMS: Success stories, Solutions, Problems, Gripes, Concerns.  P There are a lot of sites which use TCP/IP services as their main network service@ for OpenVMS. Unfortunately, that is not always without problems. Issues discussed might be:  	 - Quality  - Cluster support  - Functionality     P ABS/MDMS, Archive and Backup Services, and Media, Device and Management ServicesD for OpenVMS: Success stories, Solutions, Problems, Gripes, Concerns.  O Although there may be other options for Backup on OpenVMS systems (e.g. Legato, N Tapesys) ABS/MDMS is the solution of choice for many sites, because it is a HPO product and support also comes from HP. Unfortunately, ABS/MDMS does not always 1 work without problems. Issues discussed might be:   	 - Quality  - Cluster support  - Functionality    I hope to see you in Amsterdam!    Regards,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:40:17 +0000 1 From: Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com>  Subject: DECUS UK : Message-ID: <2Wyga.50$qi3.14@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>   Hi all,   I Please forgive this message if it's a case of "RTFM" - it's just that the 4 documentation I can find seems to be out of date...   H I'd like to get started with OpenVMS - firstly on Simh, and then ideallyH when I have the cash, I plan on getting an Alpha station. In order to do this, I gather I have to :-   $ 1.) Join my local "chapter" of Decus- 2.) Buy the hobbyist CD from www.montagar.com   J However, when I've tried looking for my local DECUS group (I'm in the UK),F I've discovered that the decus.org.uk homepage no longer appears to be> available. A Google search directs me to the UK "HP-CUO" site.  I I see that it costs 55 to register for a personal membership. Would this K get me the "DECUS number" that I need to order and install the VAX hobbyist ) CD ? If not, how could I get registered ?    Many thanks in advance,    -Mark    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:27:33 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: DECUS UK ; Message-ID: <01KU0KUQHKKE9H3B5Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > I'd like to get started with OpenVMS - firstly on Simh, and then ideall= y > > when I have the cash, I plan on getting an Alpha station.=20  J If you're lucky, you can pick up an ALPHA for free.  Also, for hobbyist=20D use, a VAX might be enough.  You can get those for free even easier!  / > In order to do this, I gather I have to :-=20  >=20& > 1.) Join my local "chapter" of Decus  / > 2.) Buy the hobbyist CD from www.montagar.com   H You don't HAVE to buy the CD from Montagar.  You can BORROW the media=20G from any source.  IIRC, the hobbyist CD doesn't include EVERYTHING a=20  hobbyist might need.  H > I see that it costs =A355 to register for a personal membership. WouldI > this get me the "DECUS number" that I need to order and install the VAX 7 > hobbyist CD ? If not, how could I get registered ?=20   H Fortunately, I am in Germany and membership in DECUS (yes, it's still=20E called DECUS) is free.  I've heard that some other chapters have a=20 I "reduced-benefits membership" which is cheaper and which is enough for=20  the hobbyist license.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:40:12 +0000 1 From: Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com>  Subject: Re: DECUS UK : Message-ID: <rOzga.66$qi3.13@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   G > You don't HAVE to buy the CD from Montagar.  You can BORROW the media F > from any source.  IIRC, the hobbyist CD doesn't include EVERYTHING a > hobbyist might need.  K That's useful information - is there anyone in the UK who would be prepared K to lend me the OpenVMS 7.3 media for VAX ? I don't mind buying the CDs, but C if there's something I'm likely to miss having I'd like to have it.   J I take it that I still need to join DECUS/HP-CUO or equivalent in order to< get a DECUS number which is needed when installing OpenVMS ?   Thanks,    -Mark    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:00:30 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>  Subject: Re: DECUS UK 4 Message-ID: <b5ui3e$4k2$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Mark Round wrote:  > Phillip Helbig wrote:  >  > G >>You don't HAVE to buy the CD from Montagar.  You can BORROW the media F >>from any source.  IIRC, the hobbyist CD doesn't include EVERYTHING a >>hobbyist might need. >  > M > That's useful information - is there anyone in the UK who would be prepared M > to lend me the OpenVMS 7.3 media for VAX ? I don't mind buying the CDs, but E > if there's something I'm likely to miss having I'd like to have it.   C Yep, you can borrow mine.  Where are you geographically ?  I'm near 
 Cambridge.  L > I take it that I still need to join DECUS/HP-CUO or equivalent in order to> > get a DECUS number which is needed when installing OpenVMS ?  / Yep, correct.  Welcome on board (in advance :-)   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:22:41 +0000 1 From: Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com>  Subject: Re: DECUS UK @ Message-ID: <iqAga.3428$ls4.951541@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>   Roy Omond wrote:   E > Yep, you can borrow mine.  Where are you geographically ?  I'm near  > Cambridge.  I That's very kind of you - thanks! I'm based in Surrey, although I work in  Wimbledon and London.   1 > Yep, correct.  Welcome on board (in advance :-)   < Thanks - I'm looking forward to my first forays into VMS...    -Mark    --   :wq    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 05:27:33 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: DECUS UK 3 Message-ID: <EB4n9L0+II7a@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <rOzga.66$qi3.13@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>, Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com> writes:  L > I take it that I still need to join DECUS/HP-CUO or equivalent in order to> > get a DECUS number which is needed when installing OpenVMS ?  D Actually, the DECUS number is necessary to order the license, rather than to install.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:02:40 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>  Subject: Re: DECUS UK 8 Message-ID: <3v068vcprc30jdklav0od39n04gcsk2kk7@4ax.com>  8 On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:27:33 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:   G >Fortunately, I am in Germany and membership in DECUS (yes, it's still  D >called DECUS) is free.  I've heard that some other chapters have a H >"reduced-benefits membership" which is cheaper and which is enough for  >the hobbyist license.  O Encompass the former US DECUS offers a free Associate membership. You don't get 9 voting rights but you are entitled to a Hobbyist License.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:08:00 +0000 1 From: Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com>  Subject: Re: DECUS UK ; Message-ID: <pKDga.124$qi3.51@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>   G > Encompass the former US DECUS offers a free Associate membership. You E > don't get voting rights but you are entitled to a Hobbyist License.   @ Thanks - I had a look at their site, but I'm in the UK and theirJ registration form is US-only. I'm having real trouble finding out where toK go to get a DECUS number in the UK - there seem to be 3 (or more) HP/Compaq I "user groups", none of which clearly state that they offer a DECUS number G to enable me to get a hobbyist license. I don't mind shelling out for a K membership if that's what I need to do, but I want to make sure I'm getting  what I want :)   -Mark    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:25:44 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>  Subject: Re: DECUS UK 4 Message-ID: <b5v1kr$pc4$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Mark Round wrote: G >>Encompass the former US DECUS offers a free Associate membership. You E >>don't get voting rights but you are entitled to a Hobbyist License.  >  > B > Thanks - I had a look at their site, but I'm in the UK and theirL > registration form is US-only. I'm having real trouble finding out where toM > go to get a DECUS number in the UK - there seem to be 3 (or more) HP/Compaq K > "user groups", none of which clearly state that they offer a DECUS number I > to enable me to get a hobbyist license. I don't mind shelling out for a M > membership if that's what I need to do, but I want to make sure I'm getting  > what I want :)  = Mark, easiest way is to phone Angela Gurr on (0118) 920 2494.     She'll give you all the details.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:53:22 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: DECUS UK 0 Message-ID: <3E830ED9.2E393CC4@blueyonder.co.uk>   Mark Round wrote:     > K > I see that it costs 55 to register for a personal membership. Would this M > get me the "DECUS number" that I need to order and install the VAX hobbyist + > CD ? If not, how could I get registered ?      @ yup, and the 55 quid is approx double what it cost last year :-(  K Doesn't really matter I guess as there are F**k all VMS jobs around anyway.  --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:14:57 GMT = From: peter.watkinson1@<nospam>ntlworld.com (Peter Watkinson)  Subject: Re: DECUS UK 6 Message-ID: <3e832285.4821343@news.cable.ntlworld.com>  . On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:40:17 +0000, Mark Round' <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com> wrote:    >Hi all, > J >Please forgive this message if it's a case of "RTFM" - it's just that the5 >documentation I can find seems to be out of date...   > I >I'd like to get started with OpenVMS - firstly on Simh, and then ideally I >when I have the cash, I plan on getting an Alpha station. In order to do  >this, I gather I have to :- > % >1.) Join my local "chapter" of Decus . >2.) Buy the hobbyist CD from www.montagar.com > K >However, when I've tried looking for my local DECUS group (I'm in the UK), G >I've discovered that the decus.org.uk homepage no longer appears to be ? >available. A Google search directs me to the UK "HP-CUO" site.  > J >I see that it costs 55 to register for a personal membership. Would thisL >get me the "DECUS number" that I need to order and install the VAX hobbyist* >CD ? If not, how could I get registered ? >  >Many thanks in advance, >  >-Mark >      You can join the CUO UK online   here    @ http://www.compaqusers.org/site/shop/shopsublistnonmem.asp?id=91   CUO    http://www.compaqusers.org  
 then go to   http://www.montagar.com/    # To apply for your media and license    just follow the instructions  F If you think you might be using a Marvel or whatever Itanium Iron someA day I think it's well worth the small fee and few days wait IMHO.    cheers,     $ PS I have some links on my web page    here   http://www.pwnavigate.com/web/   see you          Peter Watkinson % peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com  remove <nospam> to reply :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:43:53 +0000 1 From: Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com> ' Subject: Re: DECUS UK - clarification ? ? Message-ID: <KCBga.1917$ck7.60731@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>   K Thanks everyone for the info - I am however getting somewhat confused about H how to obtain a DECUS number in the UK - if anyone could clarify matters% for me, it would be much appreciated.   . I've got to the HP-CUO page at compaqusers.orgJ (http://www.compaqusers.org/CUO/site/CMS/chaptermemberview.asp?chapter=40)> which is where the Google mirror of decus.org.uk had links to.  K And I can see that there is a "personal membership" option for 55. There's E also an option to get general membership to compaqusers.org, which is  available for free.   6 However, there is also a link on that page to HP-CUA (@ http://www.hpusers.org.uk/) - which seems to offer membership...  I Sorry if I'm being "slow" - but which one of these (if any) is the site I D need to join ? I just want a DECUS number to register for my OpenVMS hobbyist license.    Many thanks in advance,    -Mark    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 07:41:50 -08007 From: stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk (Steve Bainbridge) ' Subject: Re: DECUS UK - clarification ? = Message-ID: <a48f6f51.0303270741.6a2955c7@posting.google.com>   x Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<KCBga.1917$ck7.60731@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>...M > Thanks everyone for the info - I am however getting somewhat confused about J > how to obtain a DECUS number in the UK - if anyone could clarify matters' > for me, it would be much appreciated.  > 0 > I've got to the HP-CUO page at compaqusers.orgL > (http://www.compaqusers.org/CUO/site/CMS/chaptermemberview.asp?chapter=40)@ > which is where the Google mirror of decus.org.uk had links to. > M > And I can see that there is a "personal membership" option for 55. There's G > also an option to get general membership to compaqusers.org, which is  > available for free.  > 8 > However, there is also a link on that page to HP-CUA (B > http://www.hpusers.org.uk/) - which seems to offer membership... > K > Sorry if I'm being "slow" - but which one of these (if any) is the site I F > need to join ? I just want a DECUS number to register for my OpenVMS > hobbyist license.  >  > Many thanks in advance,  >  > -Mark   F I recently tried to join the UK chapter but there was several problemsB with their website which stopped me. It does cost 55, but I thinkD there is a cheaper option of 15 - but I gave up after several weeks? of failed attempts. A better option is to join another (non UK)  chapter.  D I joined the US chapter as an associate member - it's free and a fewC days later my ID arrived and I was able to register on Montagar for 	 licences.   C The US chapter is Encompass at; http://www.encompassus.org/ and the M joining form is at; https://secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate.cfm   & Keep trying. It's worth it in the end.   Regards, Steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:59:25 +0000 1 From: Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com> ' Subject: Re: DECUS UK - clarification ? @ Message-ID: <EnFga.2520$ck7.104518@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>   Steve Bainbridge wrote:   F > I joined the US chapter as an associate member - it's free and a fewE > days later my ID arrived and I was able to register on Montagar for  > licences.   L Thanks for the tip - I've just registered with them, I hope they didn't mindK a UK address being filled in! I'll also keep trying for the UK membership - ! I'll let you know how I get on...    --   :wq    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 10:46:32 -0800+ From: hsnewman@austin.rr.com (HarrisNewman) ? Subject: Freebsd 5.0, simh, openvms and network problem...HELP! = Message-ID: <73dff34c.0303271046.22570e2a@posting.google.com>   F I'm having a strange problem with Simh, and was wondering if you couldE help.  I'm trying to get networking going on openvms.  I'm running on F Freebsd 5.0.  I added USE_NETWORK to the compile as shown below.  WhenF I run the emulator, and try to attach an XQ device, I get the "command not allowed" message!   
 Any ideas? Thanks,  Harris   decsystem# gmake USE_NETWORK=1< gcc -O2 -lm -I .  VAX/vax_cpu1.c VAX/vax_cpu.c VAX/vax_fpa.c9 VAX/vax_io.c VAX/vax_mmu.c VAX/vax_stddev.c VAX/vax_sys.c C VAX/vax_sysdev.c PDP11/pdp11_rl.c PDP11/pdp11_rq.c PDP11/pdp11_ts.c C PDP11/pdp11_dz.c PDP11/pdp11_lp.c PDP11/pdp11_tq.c PDP11/pdp11_pt.c B PDP11/pdp11_xq.c scp.c scp_tty.c sim_sock.c sim_tmxr.c sim_ether.c@ sim_tape.c -I VAX/ -I PDP11/ -DUSE_INT64 -DUSE_NETWORK -lpcap -o* BIN/vax decsystem# cd BIN decsystem# ./vax   VAX simulator V2.10-4  sim> load -r ka655.bin set cpu 64m  set rq0 ra82 attach rq0 OpenVMS.dsk
 set rq1 cdrom % attach -r rq1 openvmsrelease.dskimage . sim> sim> sim> sim> sim> RQ: unit is read only sim> show d  VAX simulator configuration    CPU  TLB, 2 units ROM  NVR 
 SYSD, 2 units  QBA  TTI, vector=F8 TTO, vector=FC CSI, vector=F0 CSO, vector=F4 CLK, vector=C0
 PTR, disabled 
 PTP, disabled * LPT, address=20001F4C-20001F4F, vector=2808 DZ, address=20000040-2000005F*, vector=2C0-2DC, lines=162 RL, address=20001900-20001909, vector=270, 4 units2 RQ, address=20001468-2000146B*, no vector, 4 units
 RQB, disabled 
 RQC, disabled 
 RQD, disabled ) TS, address=20001550-20001553, vector=294 7 TQ, TK50, address=20001940-20001943, no vector, 4 units @ XQ, address=20001920-2000192F, no vector, MAC=08-00-2B-AA-BB-CC,
 type=DELQA sim> att xq0 eth0  Command not allowed  sim> att xq0 dc0 Command not allowed  sim> att xq0 /dev/dc0  Command not allowed 
 sim> show eth  Non-existent device  sim> show xq@ XQ, address=20001920-2000192F, no vector, MAC=08-00-2B-AA-BB-CC, type=DELQA, not attached
 sim> show eth  Non-existent device  sim> show xq eth ETH devices:"   no network devices are available sim> att xq0 eth Command not allowed 	 sim> ^[[A  Unknown command  sim> SHOW XQ TYPE 
 type=DELQA sim> sanity  Unknown command  sim> show sanity Non-existent device  sim> show xq sanity  sanity=OFFsim> sim> SET XQ MAC  Internal error sim> set XQ ETH  Non-existent parameter sim> set XQ ETH0 Non-existent parameter sim> SET Too few arguments  sim> set xQ  Too few arguments  sim> set xq dc0  Non-existent parameter
 sim> SHOW MAC  Non-existent device 
 sim> SHOW ETH  Non-existent device  sim> SHOW XQ ETH ETH devices:"   no network devices are available sim> show xq@ XQ, address=20001920-2000192F, no vector, MAC=08-00-2B-AA-BB-CC, type=DELQA, not attached sim> att xq  Too few arguments  sim> att xq eth  Command not allowed 	 sim> ^[[A  Unknown command  sim> att xq eth0 Command not allowed  sim>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:20:22 -0700 $ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> Subject: High RMS file activity ) Message-ID: <3E82FA96.88C07998@cha.ab.ca>   E Monitoring disk i/o and queue lengths will show which disks have high G activity.  Is there a utility available to spotlight the volatile files 
 on a disk?   -- Lee   5 L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.ca  Capital Health Authority Information Systems, RAH CSC Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 08:00:04 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: High RMS file activity 3 Message-ID: <hmQrMDeUFVcj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P In article <3E82FA96.88C07998@cha.ab.ca>, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> writes:G > Monitoring disk i/o and queue lengths will show which disks have high I > activity.  Is there a utility available to spotlight the volatile files  > on a disk?  8 There are many add-on performance products that do this.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:12:52 +0000 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam># Subject: Re: High RMS file activity 4 Message-ID: <b5v0t6$9fr$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   Lee Y T Mah wrote:G > Monitoring disk i/o and queue lengths will show which disks have high I > activity.  Is there a utility available to spotlight the volatile files  > on a disk?  @ If you know (or suspect) which they are, set file/stat can help.   Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:23:29 -0500 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> # Subject: Re: High RMS file activity / Message-ID: <3E830961.570D4969@eps.zko.dec.com>   D VMS it self does not currently provide a hot-file facility directly.0 Several layered products do: openview? decps?...D ANAL/system can be used as a crude tool (FCB has read/write counts).F MONI PROC/TOPDI can help find a sample process, and then SHOW DEV/FILE+ can correlate that back to potential files.   J Check out MONI RMS .... and SET FILE/STAT[/SHARE] and my RMS_STATS tool on the VMS Freeware CD/web    hth,     Hein     Lee Y T Mah wrote:  G > Monitoring disk i/o and queue lengths will show which disks have high I > activity.  Is there a utility available to spotlight the volatile files  > on a disk? >  > -- > Lee  > 7 > L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.ca  > Capital Health Authority > Information Systems, RAH CSC > Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:50:18 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)# Subject: Re: High RMS file activity 0 Message-ID: <KcEga.960$Bg3.933@news.cpqcorp.net>  = Also, if you're running OpenVMS V7.3-1 and have XFC on (which  you should), look at  % $ SHOW MEMORY/CACHE=(VOLUME=*,topqio)   = you can specify a specific volume.  This should give you some  idea which files are active.   --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:20:55 +0100 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>, Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!* Message-ID: <00A1D816.124709FD.4@decus.de>  & "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:   > [...]  > J >   And again, the Windows "harmless signature" stuff is very likely goingJ >   to be a complete non-issue with Microsoft Windows and HP OpenVMS on anG >   Itanium system; OpenVMS has the signature, so Windows should not be G >   inclined to offer the system manager the option to clobber parts of  >   the OpenVMS disks.  I That's really news to me. Which makes it even more desirable to get your  E presentations on the VMS/Itanium disk structure available on the web.    Michael    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:54:17 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: infovaxRe: DECUS UK; Message-ID: <01KU0LRM4M909H3B5Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I > > You don't HAVE to buy the CD from Montagar.  You can BORROW the media H > > from any source.  IIRC, the hobbyist CD doesn't include EVERYTHING a > > hobbyist might need. > D > That's useful information - is there anyone in the UK who would beI > prepared to lend me the OpenVMS 7.3 media for VAX ? I don't mind buying I > the CDs, but if there's something I'm likely to miss having I'd like to  > have it.    E If you buy the basic operating CD from HP, it's not THAT expensive.   F This is good since you can boot from it, so you might want to do this " even if you borrow some other CDs.  C There are about a dozen CDs altogether---operating system, layered  
 products etc.   @ You also might want to buy a DOCUMENTATION CD.  Again, not that  expensive from HP.  I > I take it that I still need to join DECUS/HP-CUO or equivalent in order B > to get a DECUS number which is needed when installing OpenVMS ?   F Right---unless you already have a machine which has a license on it.  G Some machines come with licenses, but one has to pay a transfer fee to yG legally use it.  (Probably, however, it would just have the OS license oH and maybe a few others---the hobbyist license gives you the full monty.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:11:05 +0000e1 From: Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com>K  Subject: Re: infovaxRe: DECUS UK? Message-ID: <qfAga.1497$ck7.44648@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>-   Phillip Helbig wrote:U  E > If you buy the basic operating CD from HP, it's not THAT expensive.,G > This is good since you can boot from it, so you might want to do thisS$ > even if you borrow some other CDs.  6 If I get the hobbyist kit, can I not boot from that ?    -Mark    -- e :wq    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:30:12 +0100 (MET)D9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   Subject: Re: infovaxRe: DECUS UK; Message-ID: <01KU0N3YBY129H3B5Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>S  8 > If I get the hobbyist kit, can I not boot from that ?   H Presumably.  (I bought an OS CD from DEC (yes, DEC back then!) and have F borrowed media otherwise.)  What I meant was, if you decide to borrow I media to install stuff, you still might want to have a bootable CD.  You t= can boot from this then make backups of your system disk etc.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:37:09 -0500t! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>s9 Subject: Re: Is someone running Spamassassin on OpenVMS ? ' Message-ID: <3E8328B5.C5FC3512@vcu.edu>   @ is the user popping/imaping the mail off the vms box?  I use theG netscape filters to block about oh, 85% of my spam...  i'm going on thet8 assumption that they are using a pc to look at it with..   jimT   Daniel Clar wrote: >  > Hello, > . > I'm trying, as many people, to prevent spam. > I > One of the freeware solutions is to use spamassassin/procmail on a UnixeJ > box but, as far as I know, it seems to work only if the users have their > mailboxes on the Unix system.i > J > My configuration is the following : the incoming mail arrives on a Tru64I > box where an antivirus sofware is running, then the mail is transmitted-H > to sendmail and through the aliases mechanism the mail is delivered to3 > an OpenVMS system where the user has the mailbox.n > B > So has someone succeeded to run Spamassasin or an other freeware4 > solution on OpenVMS or with such a configuration ? >  > Thanks > 
 > Daniel CLar3 > Computer Operations Managerc	 > Supelecm > France   -- aF "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 09:36:41 -0800: From: craig.berry@SignalTreeSolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)9 Subject: Re: Is someone running Spamassassin on OpenVMS ?u= Message-ID: <7f15589f.0303270936.6c9a8af6@posting.google.com>   [ Daniel Clar <Daniel.Clar@supelec.fr> wrote in message news:<3E815F26.9090208@supelec.fr>...mC > So has someone succeeded to run Spamassasin or an other freeware t4 > solution on OpenVMS or with such a configuration ?  E This was discussed on the vmsperl mailing list last fall and there ist3 also an open item in the SpamAssassin bug database:   < <http://www.hughes-family.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1099>  E The long and the short of it is that with some hacking you can get itmC to build.  Once built you can certainly filter spam with it, but ifpA you try to run the server process (spamd) it wants to use fork(),iE which is unavailable.  I've never tried to use the package myself andy? this information is now a few months out of date, so you should,1 probably just try it and see how far you can get.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:39:25 -06008- From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com>M9 Subject: Re: Is someone running Spamassassin on OpenVMS ?>; Message-ID: <xFGga.73576$rn3.18074@fe08.atl2.webusenet.com>h   Daniel Clar wrote: > C > So has someone succeeded to run Spamassasin or an other freeware o4 > solution on OpenVMS or with such a configuration ? >   ; It won't be freeware, but Process Software is working on an-< anti-spam product for OpenVMS.  Release is planned for later? this year.  If you'd like to help beta test it when it's ready, < please send mail to Lauren Maschio <maschio@process.com> and ask to be added to the list.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/a goathunter@goatley.com   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 09:38:21 +0100K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40)e5 Subject: Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How?w! Message-ID: <2rQuppzJBUqM@sinead>l  / In article <3E81CAB7.56FCE528@pressenter.com>, u0 Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes: [...] G > The monitor says to run at 1280x1024x60Hz. I had the old VRC21 set tou> > 1280x1024x70Hz. So I set the refresh rate down. Still no go.  M I have an XP900 with Elsa Gloria and a Nec 1880SX LCD. I had some problems at J 1280x1024x60Hz , but all is ok at 65 Hz. VMS 7.2-1 with last graphics Ecos  = The Elsa is a bit slow but it is very usable in 16 bits mode.r   Patrickr --O ===============================================================================hN pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Mar 2003 14:30:21 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)6 Subject: Re: Microvax 3100 dead - need data from drive4 Message-ID: <b5v1tt$114u$1@ID-135708.news.dfncis.de>  / In article <3E8209C6.4FE881D4@vl.videotron.ca>,w3 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes:  > Rick Aldred wrote:F >> It appears that without access to a MicroVax, I will not be able toF >> read the disk. As yet I am unsure how much further the company willH >> allow me to take this, as the drive contains proprietary source code. > M > I haven't seen the error message generated when you try to mount the drive.8O > But if you suspect that the drive is just incompatible with your Alpha, there N > are many here (including myself) would be willing to try to recover the data
 > for you. > / > Signing NDAs for your data is not a big deal.a  ? But I suspect that it would be necessary to at least keep it ine the US.  :-)  C (I used to have a big, honking CDC disk here that came from GEAC innD Toronto.  Customs had dismantled it.  All of it.  Including the HDA.? Needless to say, GEAC did not consider that an "Under Warranty"H
 problem.  :-)c   bill   -- SJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:36:19 -0500 $ From: "Bill Clark" <bclark@lrgh.org>: Subject: Re: Need List of Patches for 'Post' 7.2-2 upgrade2 Message-ID: <9tOcnd_yMrEqhx6jXTWcoQ@metrocast.net>  $ perfect. quite a useful format, too. thanks.r  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0303261337.37ec86ef@posting.google.com...-1 > "Bill Clark" <bclark@lrgh.org> wrote in message:. news:<RwWdnZ10W6-jfxyjXTWc3g@metrocast.net>...A > >     am plodding along towards an upgrade from 7.1-2 to 7.2-2, C > >     and would like to get the official (or recommended) list of > > >     patches that ought to be applied after the OS upgrade. > F > My favorite is http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/ecos.phtml (courtesyE > of our top-notch support folks 'down under').  Take the link on thelD > left for "Indexed by version", and click on "OpenVMS/Alpha 7.2-2".@ > You'll get a list of ECOs categorized by Rating (criticality). > E > Then I usually download the kit itself from a geographically closere8 > site, like http://ftp.support.compaq.com/ for the USA.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:30:31 +0000l' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancywY Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retaie. Message-ID: <3E82D2C7.4050503@nospamn.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:I > Can we just wrap this all up in a shorthand format, or do we have to goy > through the ritual.8 > L > Sun:   Benchmarks don't mean anything, especially the ones we look bad on.G > Guy:  Well, how about actual performance stories from real customers.B Sun: Well where are they thenlD Guy: Ahh well thats a bit tricky how about Bank of Austria instead ? Sun: Sorry bzzt.  I > Sun:   That only counts if we are talking about Sun running faster thana > someone else.iK >           Besides, the benchmarks that we do like show that everyone else, > sucks.  And if that'snM >           not true, then it was true at some point, so is probably true nown > too.  Besides, it'seK >           the applications, not the performance, and I heard a rumor thatB > YOUR_ISV_HEREhM >           is rapidly moving to IBM.  And even though that isn't Sun, that'sl > good because itn >           isn't VMS. > & > Just cut and paste this from now on. >   H Get with the program Freddy, you have not provided any customer examplesE that stand up to any kind of technical scrutiny or did you think thatu the Bank of Austria one did.  A You are also being hung out to dry by your own benchmark results.   > I don't need to claim that Sun is better than Compaq, its your@ own published, paid for audited benchmark results funded by your= marketing dollars and touted around by your Sales people thatc) show that you are worse than anyone else.c  ; Its like the joke about the two hikers and the bear you aren the slow hiker.w   Regardsl Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:38:10 -0000e2 From: "Nicholas Scott" <nick.scott@ukonline.co.uk>' Subject: OpenVMS/VAX Installation Mediae@ Message-ID: <GTFga.2544$ck7.113850@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>   Hi,t  G Does anyone here in the UK have a set of OpenVMS/VAX installation media.H (CD-ROM) that I could borrow or copy (I'm willing to pay a small fee forJ this)?  I'm a hobbyist and would like to give OpenVMS a try.  According toL HP's site, given previous lack of availability of OpenVMS installation mediaI for the VAX platform, I can legally copy this for free provided it is forr
 hobbyist use:   ? --- Quote from http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html  ---u  J The OpenVMS Hobbyist Kit V2.0 is currently available. You must be a memberJ of a participating DECUS/Encompass Chapter before you can order an OpenVMSJ Hobbyist Kit. You can order the kits on-line via our web site, or via mailJ order. At this time, OpenVMS VAX media kits are sold out. If you are stillK interested in getting OpenVMS for your VAX, you may try borrowing a CD fromdL a friend, co-worker, local Encompass LUG, Ebay, or other places. Please noteK that any OpenVMS distribution is legal to use with the Hobbyist Program (as, long as it's not stolen!).   --- End Quote ---   G I don't particularly want to have to sign up to DECUS/Encompass just togJ obtain a set of installation media.  If anyone here in the UK has a set ofK media that I could borrow or use, then that would be very much appreciated.hI It doesn't need to be the latest version of OpenVMS, but the more recent,p8 the better.  The options that I'd be willing to try are:  L a)  Could someone make a copy for me, and then post the CD-ROMs to me? - I'dJ be willing to pay a small fee as a "thank you" plus of course, all postage and blank CD-R charges.iJ b)  If nobody has the means to copy these, then perhaps someone could postH me their existing installation media - I'd copy this and then return it,B paying for all postage charges plus a small fee to say "thank you"G c)  I'd be willing to meet someone personally here in the UK and use my L laptop to copy the installation CD-ROM whilst at their house/university/etc.J Thus, no risk of postage, etc would be involved.  And of course, I'd pay a small fee as a "thank you".'F d)  If a cd-writable disc image exists anywhere on the internet, could anyone point me at that?  K I'm in the Manchester area, but if need be, I'd drive to almost anywhere innH the UK if it meant that I could get hold of a set of installation media.  @ Any takers?  Free cash and/or beer are available as a reward :-)   Many thanks in advance,  Nick Scott..  L nick (dot) scott (at) ukonline.co.uk  (replace the (dot) and (at) with their respective characters)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:07:11 -0000o2 From: "Nicholas Scott" <nick.scott@ukonline.co.uk>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS/VAX Installation Media @ Message-ID: <4jGga.2563$ck7.122821@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>  G Just replying to my own message - I'd like to thank the sheer number oflL offers that I've had for help.  I only posted the message a few minutes ago,B and have been flooded out with offers!  Thank you very much to allL concerned, your willingness to help is much appreciated.  Hopefully, I'll be# sat at a DCL prompt before long :-)1   Many thanks, Nick S.   = "Nicholas Scott" <nick.scott@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message3: news:GTFga.2544$ck7.113850@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net... > Hi,  >bI > Does anyone here in the UK have a set of OpenVMS/VAX installation mediaBJ > (CD-ROM) that I could borrow or copy (I'm willing to pay a small fee forL > this)?  I'm a hobbyist and would like to give OpenVMS a try.  According toH > HP's site, given previous lack of availability of OpenVMS installation mediaaK > for the VAX platform, I can legally copy this for free provided it is forl > hobbyist use:I >lA > --- Quote from http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html  ---p >aL > The OpenVMS Hobbyist Kit V2.0 is currently available. You must be a memberL > of a participating DECUS/Encompass Chapter before you can order an OpenVMSL > Hobbyist Kit. You can order the kits on-line via our web site, or via mailL > order. At this time, OpenVMS VAX media kits are sold out. If you are stillH > interested in getting OpenVMS for your VAX, you may try borrowing a CD fromI > a friend, co-worker, local Encompass LUG, Ebay, or other places. Pleasel noteI > that any OpenVMS distribution is legal to use with the Hobbyist Programp (asl > long as it's not stolen!). >h > --- End Quote ---  >hI > I don't particularly want to have to sign up to DECUS/Encompass just to L > obtain a set of installation media.  If anyone here in the UK has a set of@ > media that I could borrow or use, then that would be very much appreciated.K > It doesn't need to be the latest version of OpenVMS, but the more recent, : > the better.  The options that I'd be willing to try are: >0J > a)  Could someone make a copy for me, and then post the CD-ROMs to me? - I'deL > be willing to pay a small fee as a "thank you" plus of course, all postage > and blank CD-R charges. L > b)  If nobody has the means to copy these, then perhaps someone could postJ > me their existing installation media - I'd copy this and then return it,D > paying for all postage charges plus a small fee to say "thank you"I > c)  I'd be willing to meet someone personally here in the UK and use mym8 > laptop to copy the installation CD-ROM whilst at their house/university/etc.oL > Thus, no risk of postage, etc would be involved.  And of course, I'd pay a > small fee as a "thank you". H > d)  If a cd-writable disc image exists anywhere on the internet, could > anyone point me at that? > J > I'm in the Manchester area, but if need be, I'd drive to almost anywhere inJ > the UK if it meant that I could get hold of a set of installation media. >rB > Any takers?  Free cash and/or beer are available as a reward :-) >g > Many thanks in advance, 
 > Nick Scott.n > H > nick (dot) scott (at) ukonline.co.uk  (replace the (dot) and (at) with their- > respective characters) >0 >1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:19:03 +0000: From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>a+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS/VAX Installation Media 4 Message-ID: <b5vbph$8vs$2$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   Nicholas Scott wrote:'I > Just replying to my own message - I'd like to thank the sheer number of-N > offers that I've had for help.  I only posted the message a few minutes ago,D > and have been flooded out with offers!  Thank you very much to allN > concerned, your willingness to help is much appreciated.  Hopefully, I'll be% > sat at a DCL prompt before long :-)r  C Just goes to show you what an excellent bunch we UK VMS'ers are :-)s  	 Roy Omondo Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:40:58 -0000n" From: "Amo" <andrew.kwok@ds-s.com> Subject: Port VMS Pascal to PC% Message-ID: <3e8272cb@cpns1.saic.com>   I Does anyone know whether it is possible to port Pascal program written innG VMS Pascal to Delphi or any other PC platform compiler? Or is there anyf* tool out there that allows you to do that?   Thanks Amor   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 06:01:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)a" Subject: Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC3 Message-ID: <0zk++1Ek3Yz6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J In article <3e8272cb@cpns1.saic.com>, "Amo" <andrew.kwok@ds-s.com> writes:  K > Does anyone know whether it is possible to port Pascal program written in I > VMS Pascal to Delphi or any other PC platform compiler? Or is there any , > tool out there that allows you to do that?  D It is trivial if you have restricted your program to Standard Pascal	 features.n   Most people don't.  , It is worse going in the opposite direction.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 08:59:00 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e" Subject: Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC3 Message-ID: <7lBYCwbTynbV@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  J In article <3e8272cb@cpns1.saic.com>, "Amo" <andrew.kwok@ds-s.com> writes:K > Does anyone know whether it is possible to port Pascal program written ineI > VMS Pascal to Delphi or any other PC platform compiler? Or is there anyg, > tool out there that allows you to do that?  G    I'm assuming "Delphi" is a Pascal compiler.  In that case, yes, it'seH    certainly possible to port.  How much work that is will depend on howG    close the the Pascal standard the code and the Delphi compiler keep,R5    and how many VMS-specific routines the code called,  D    If the code is full of VMS-specific routines you can get helpfull9    packages from vendors like Boston Bussiness Computing.8   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:13:18 GMT0& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>" Subject: Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC0 Message-ID: <2bHga.986$QH3.741@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 Amo wrote:K > Does anyone know whether it is possible to port Pascal program written inkI > VMS Pascal to Delphi or any other PC platform compiler? Or is there any , > tool out there that allows you to do that? >  > Thanks > Amo  >    Anything is possible.   F As others have said, it depends on how many OpenVMS Pascal extensions C you've used.  You can use the /STANDAND=ANSI qualifier to have the D compiler flag them for you.   G Besides Delphi, you might want to look at Prospero Software's compiler a? (www.prospero.com), GNU Pascal (www.gnu-pascal.de), FreePascal  H (www.freepascal.org) or others.  For information about those compilers, D you might want to ask specific questions in comp.lang.pascal.delphi 0 and/or comp.lang.pascal.misc.  I'd also look at D http://www.pascal-central.com for a nice (but not complete) list of / other compilers available on Windows platforms.e   -- s John Reagans' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderw Hewlett-Packard Companyn   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:18:23 GMTs& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>" Subject: Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC0 Message-ID: <PfHga.987$RE3.248@news.cpqcorp.net>   John Reagan wrote:  I > Besides Delphi, you might want to look at Prospero Software's compiler p > (www.prospero.com)  2 Ooops, Prospero's site is www.prosperosoftware.com   --   John Reagann' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderm Hewlett-Packard Company-   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 08:59:59 -0800 From: user@lngs.infn.itu/ Subject: Problem with 7.3-1 on AlphaStation 600r= Message-ID: <1729f461.0303270859.6ba0107c@posting.google.com>r  0 The installation CD starts but when the startup @ is configuring the devices, it happens a fatal bugcheck on pka0:6 code =0000019d  INCONSTATE, Inconsistent I/O data base  0 PKA0 is  a scsi controller  ISP 1020   ( V 5.57)! on it there is a RZ28M  ( v.0568)h and a RRD54 (v. 1645)r  7 The Alpha firmware version is V 6.2. Any help about it?w Many Thanks in advance, bye,2                                 Nazzareno Taborgna                                fB ==================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 02:40:39 -08002 From: carlos.miranda@vodafone.com (Carlos Miranda) Subject: RSH and ACCVIOo< Message-ID: <3c94cfb.0303270240.24484f11@posting.google.com>  = Is there any reason for a command procedure excuting OK in anD@ interactive login but ACCVIO(lating) when executed thru RSH. TheB command pprocedure is simple, it just invokes the good old ConsoleD Manager (now of CA) - $Console C3. If I instead do a $Console statusD it works. It worked this way in an older version of Console Manager,F so I might suspect of it, but anyway I don't see any reason for it notE working. Checked about everything I can think of (privileges, quotas,0 installed images, patches, ...).$ TCP/IP  5.1 - Eco 4 on OpenVMS 7.2-2   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:25:42 +0000r( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: RSH and ACCVIOh( Message-ID: <3E82FBD6.8B03F74@127.0.0.1>   Carlos Miranda wrote:g > ? > Is there any reason for a command procedure excuting OK in anaB > interactive login but ACCVIO(lating) when executed thru RSH. TheD > command pprocedure is simple, it just invokes the good old ConsoleF > Manager (now of CA) - $Console C3. If I instead do a $Console statusF > it works. It worked this way in an older version of Console Manager,H > so I might suspect of it, but anyway I don't see any reason for it notG > working. Checked about everything I can think of (privileges, quotas,c! > installed images, patches, ...) & > TCP/IP  5.1 - Eco 4 on OpenVMS 7.2-2   Display not opened?   7 Try running decw$examples:ico and check the log file...n   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesa nclews at csc dot comh   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:40:41 GMTa; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net>f+ Subject: SECRET WEAPON (Re: RSH and ACCVIO)a= Message-ID: <ZXEga.10221$TW2.2577387@news1.news.adelphia.net>o  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messagev" news:3E82FBD6.8B03F74@127.0.0.1... > Carlos Miranda wrote:  > >SA > > Is there any reason for a command procedure excuting OK in annD > > interactive login but ACCVIO(lating) when executed thru RSH. TheF > > command pprocedure is simple, it just invokes the good old ConsoleH > > Manager (now of CA) - $Console C3. If I instead do a $Console statusH > > it works. It worked this way in an older version of Console Manager,J > > so I might suspect of it, but anyway I don't see any reason for it notI > > working. Checked about everything I can think of (privileges, quotas,i# > > installed images, patches, ...)a( > > TCP/IP  5.1 - Eco 4 on OpenVMS 7.2-2 >s > Display not opened?  >e9 > Try running decw$examples:ico and check the log file...e >I > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesn > nclews at csc dot com   I I believe the problem is that the device that is running with RSH is a BG-K device with the characteristics that are meant to WORK like a terminal, butr certainly isn't.  J Try the following trick.  I use it in my Apache command procedures so that> writes to SYS$OUTPUT work just like one would expect from DCL:  2 $ TELNET /BIND_SESSION SYS$OUTPUT:  /PROTOCOL=NONE- $ DEFINE /PROCESS SYS$OUTPUT '$TELNET_DEVICE'o  F In my Apache procedures, I also don't want the terminal to wrap in the middle of tags, so:n  ' $ SET TERMINAL '$TELNET_DEVICE' /NOWRAPX  J There's no need to UNBIND, it should happen automatically when you logout.  + Let me know if you have problems with this.O   -John.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 10:08:33 -08002 From: carlos.miranda@vodafone.com (Carlos Miranda)/ Subject: Re: SECRET WEAPON (Re: RSH and ACCVIO).< Message-ID: <3c94cfb.0303271008.5feec4a4@posting.google.com>   "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net> wrote in message news:<ZXEga.10221$TW2.2577387@news1.news.adelphia.net>...     John,o  @ It works! Thanks a lot. Would have never figured it out since it/ worked for some commands and ACCVIO for others.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:00:11 -0600 (CST)g0 From: Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs@grandecom.net> Subject: SET NOTRUNCATEaI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0303271159380.30861-100000@Linux.monceaux.com>   I I had some exposure to VMS on a VAX 11/750 in college.  Now thanks to the0A hobbyist program and acquiring a VAXstation 3100 M76 I'm becomingeG reacquainted with an old friend, VMS.  I've been trying out the variousdH editors trying to decide which one I liked.  Mostly I've been using LSE.B Thanks to the editor war thread I've discovered the SET NOTRUNCATEJ function of EDT and I think I'm hooked.  Are there any tutorials availableJ for the various editors?  I definitely believe in using the right tool forE the job.  LSE seems to be handy when working on source code.  Issue a I COMPILE/REVIEW command in LSE and get a split screen with source code andoJ an error listing without ever leaving the editor.  There are other files IG work with where EDT's SET NOTRUNCATE is invaluable.  I don't think I'veaF tried TECO yet.  I intend to explore all the editors available so I'llJ know which tool is best for which job.  This group is a source of valuable information.     Thanks,m   Kevin>   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 05:41:28 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)  Subject: Re: Suggestion to Sue= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303270541.7acbf891@posting.google.com>>  E Well I guess this IS a way to beat the compition. But we prefer to dosD that with elegantly made software.  Obviously you have not ever seenF Fred.  He is the size of an American football player, but with all his) teeth, oops sorry that is ice hockey. ;')t   suev  g JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3E820AC8.6C6F0D19@vl.videotron.ca>...LN > For your upcoming technical seminar, you should have an open plenary sessionP > with Fred Kleinsorge and Andrew Harrison starting a verbal battle and then you2 > supply them with foam bats and let them go nuts. > P > Although this would have no technical value, it would have great entertainment > value :-) :-) :-)  >  > :-) :-)  :-) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:25:39 -0500 & From: "Daniel Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> Subject: RE: Suggestion to Sue: Message-ID: <BCEGLBGJDODLELBJIADKOEJBCGAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca] ) > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:17 PM- > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComM > Subject: Suggestion to Sue >  > ? > For your upcoming technical seminar, you should have an open v > plenary sessionhD > with Fred Kleinsorge and Andrew Harrison starting a verbal battle  > and then you2 > supply them with foam bats and let them go nuts.  6 	I personally think Fred's bat should be good old ash.   	Dan > C > Although this would have no technical value, it would have great n > entertainment  > value :-) :-) :-)  >  > :-) :-)  :-) :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:30:00 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: Suggestion to Sue0 Message-ID: <3E83338E.915984F4@blueyonder.co.uk>   Sue Skonetski wrote: > G > Well I guess this IS a way to beat the compition. But we prefer to doeF > that with elegantly made software.  Obviously you have not ever seenH > Fred.  He is the size of an American football player, but with all his+ > teeth, oops sorry that is ice hockey. ;')-  S Sue, I know you have the best intentions, but how can you beat the competition withhN elegantly made software, as you put it, if you don't market it and have in theP past made quite successful attempts to kill it off in favour of the competition?  R Now, if you could just send Fred round to see a few project managers and IT agents in the UK :-).   -- c tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk n  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:34:45 +0000n' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyt/ Subject: Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!n. Message-ID: <3E833635.4060807@nospamn.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:l > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E803CA2.4060407@nospamn.sun.com>...  >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >> >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E7EF2D1.8060209@nospamn.sun.com>... >>>- >>>- >>>>Rudolf Wingert wrote:3 >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello,e >>>>>a >>>>>Andrew Harrison wrotes: >>>>>r >>>>>d >>>>>Well to be more clear. / >>>>>Solaris, HP-UX, Tru64, OpenVMS, AIX, Linuxw% >>>>>IRIX are all probably vunerable.n >>>>><<< >>>>>aN >>>>>Where did you get the info about OpenVMS. Years ago we did use the XDR toN >>>>>exchange data from Sun platform to OpenVMS. The Sun user did report a bugK >>>>>within OpenVMS (ACCVIO). What was the problem? H e did not specify anyPK >>>>>memory address (0 for get automatic memory). So the memory address wasnQ >>>>>outsite of his space. On Sun this is not an error. In case of this, there isLO >>>>>no possibility to get root priviledges under OpenVMS. All what you do (XDRtM >>>>>or other tools with the buffer overflow problem), can you do only within M >>>>>your context, or yue will be stopped via the OS. Look also the intrution!Q >>>>>report of DECUS Muenchen. XDR under OpenVMS may be buggy, but you do not getr/ >>>>>any right over the normal user's right!!!!" >>>>>s  >>>>>Best regards Rudolf Wingert >>>>>  >>>>7 >>>>I didn't there is currently no response for OpenVMSV4 >>>>on the CERT web page along with HP-UX and Tru64. >>>>5 >>>>However it is a generic XDR issue so Bob's claimsm: >>>>for OpenVMS being invunerable are as always premature. >>>> >>>>Regardsl >>>>Andrew Harrisona >>>t >>> C >>>wrong, as always they are right on the money ... VMS can squelchtD >>>the nastiest unix kernel bugs ... just admit that VMS is superior@ >>>to slowaris, unix, linux, windoze or any other garbage os out >>>there ... >>4 >>Bob, Bob why do you always end up getting yourself6 >>into trouble by forgetting that there are documented6 >>examples of OpenVMS not squelching nasty UNIX kernel4 >>bugs. Or had you forgotten the CERTS and non CERTS >>for POD, DOS etc ????? >>6 >>We have had this discussion on a number of occasions6 >>in the past and it is a great shame for you that you5 >>continue to repeat arguments that are not supportedi >>by HPQ's own patch reports.  >>	 >>Regardst >>Andrew Harrisonn >  > C > as you read below, it is not as many "c" and unix garbage libraryc? > bugs fail to affect vms as those pesky little "accvio" errorss7 > stop you in your tracks ... remember this one Andrew?  >   = http://www.process.com/techsupport/tcpware/faqs/snmpcert.htmlo  9 However had you bothered to read the CERT advisory itselfl; you would have discovered that Compaqs IP stack for OpenVMSx4 was effected by this violation. So your point is ???  8 So there was no automatic protection because the host OS platform was OpenVMS.h  8 Solaris wan't effected by POD but OpenVMS was, does this* mean that Solaris is better than OpenVMS ?  5 No, the only thing you can conclude from this is thate- we did a better job in this case than Compaq.,  7 There is no OpenVMS magic bullet get used to it, I haves4 provided you with enough examples over the years and5 to be frank the argument is getting pretty pointless.3   Regards0 Andrew HarrisonR   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:37:40 +0100e. From: Bernd Ulmann <ulmann@raven-infotech.com>+ Subject: TCP/IP 5.1 and SMTP authentication 2 Message-ID: <3E8344F4.3E374CAA@raven-infotech.com>   Hi - nE I have the problem that my ISP is changing his SMTP server so that it D will only accept mails sent with SMTP and authentication. They claimF this is because they run into quite severe spam problems and they wantG to be sure that the people using their smtp server are their customers.mG  My problem is now, that I am doing everything at home on my (wonderfulvF :-) ) VAX-7820 running OpenVMS-VAX 7.2 and TCPIP 5.1. Up to now I sent@ all my outgoing mails via smtp to the smtp server of my providerA (alternate gateway) with a simple domain substitution to have thedH "right" sender address appearing on my outgoing mails. Since my providerF has changed his access rules, I am consequently not able to send mailsG any longer, since I can not get TCPIP 5.1 into sending an smtp user and  passwort for authentication.E  Is there any obvious solution for this which I totally missed? Or isvH there some clever trick, maybe getting the data out of the SMTP queue(s)G and sending it by a dedicated program (maybe in PERL?). To be honest, IaE am stuck at the moment, and somehow I have to get online (mail) again G and I do not want to use another computer running what operating systeml it might, just to send mails.i1  If someone has an idea, please drop me a note atmE ulmann(at)raven-infotech.com. Thank you very much for your help, best  regards,   	Bernd Ulmann. :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:02:36 +0000t( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>: Subject: Re: Terminal driver for VAX synchronous interface) Message-ID: <3E83209C.F4A86011@127.0.0.1>s   Michael Unger wrote: > - > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:  >  > > Michael Unger wrote: > > >i1 > > > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:e > >bL > > > > The terminal adapter I'm planning to use is a US Robotics Courier-I. > >u	 > > [...]n > >rJ > > It would appear then that my TA should be handling the synch to asynch. > > translation. Perhaps I have the wrong one! > >0	 > > [...]o > @ > What is the connector type for the connection to the computer?4 > Are you sure that it isn't an _internal_ ISDN bus?  2 <grumble having to retype cos the browser crashed>  3 I'm using a Courier-I EXTERNAL, the I is for ISDN !p  E I meant that the modem may not do the sync to asynch translation. ThenE manual says you establish the link in asynch, then it flips into sync C mode when connected. Bear in mind the device is intended to work on G bandwidth on demand flipping the 64k to 128k when the link usage variesh (user configurable).  G It is connected using a 25 way standard EIA-232. Re-reading the manual,oG it's not now absolutely clear about the synch and asynch modes, and themF dependency of either on a digital connection. Hmmm... Before I try allG this I have to work out some nice neat holes for the ISDN cabling to goe before it is installed.i   -- i? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesk nclews at csc dot comb   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:22:18 +0100o$ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>: Subject: Re: Terminal driver for VAX synchronous interface+ Message-ID: <00A1D816.4393DF59.12@decus.de>2  + "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:y   > Michael Unger wrote:B > > What is the connector type for the connection to the computer?6 > > Are you sure that it isn't an _internal_ ISDN bus? > 5 > I'm using a Courier-I EXTERNAL, the I is for ISDN !   H Sorry for having been not precise enough -- the _internal_ ISDN bus was H meant to be _in_ _addition_ to the "normal" external ISDN bus (which is ) needed to connect to the public network).e   > [...]n > I > It is connected using a 25 way standard EIA-232. Re-reading the manual, I > it's not now absolutely clear about the synch and asynch modes, and theeH > dependency of either on a digital connection. Hmmm... Before I try allI > this I have to work out some nice neat holes for the ISDN cabling to go- > before it is installed.:  
 Good luck!   Michaelt   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:00:57 -0600 (CST)n0 From: Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs@grandecom.net>3 Subject: VT320 switches to 132 column mode on login@I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0303271200220.30861-100000@Linux.monceaux.com>   H I've acquired a VAXstation 3100 M76 which had VMS 7.2 already installed.H It has a VT320 connected acting as a console.  The VAX has a second hardI drive which I decided to install VMS on from scratch.  When logging in to0D the freshly installed VMS the VT320 switches to 132 column mode.  ItJ doesn't do this when using the pre-installed version of VMS.  How does oneG disable this feature?  I would prefer the terminal to stay in 80 column= mode when logging on.@       Thanks,E   Kevin_   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:50:29 -0500 , From: "Island" <dbturner@nospamislandco.com>/ Subject: We need your ELSA GLoria Synergy Cards_/ Message-ID: <v860dfmdk22jeb@news.supernews.com>   H We are willing to swap 3DLabs Oxygen 32MB PCI cards for your Elsa Gloria Synergy 8MB PCI Cards_ Compaq or ELSA branded OKh   Email us for details   Thanks   -- David B Turner Island Computers US Corporation= 2700 Gregory St., Suite 180= Savannah GA 31404= Tel: 912 447 6622- Fax: 912 201 0402- Email: dbturner@islandco.com www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 06:13:19 -0800% From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams)$& Subject: Re: What is PRV-F-INSFCREDITH= Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0303270613.33744ced@posting.google.com>i  [ hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<jonga.893$XK2.297@news.cpqcorp.net>...ae > In article <ea44f5a1.0303241306.16ab1a@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:lE > :PRV-F-INSFCREDITH, insufficeint connection message buffer credits,d > :high priority request > :r9 > :What does this message mean, how do I fix the problem?u > I >   Without intending offense, please see the OpenVMS FAQ for details on  H >   how to ask questions -- many questions of only one or two lines are H >   surprisingly difficult to answer, as supporting information (productE >   versions, commands, provoking factors, etc) tend to be omitted or  >   assumed.  B I am getting this message while trying to establish a connect to aF terminal port in a FORTRAN program.  I may have an excessive number ofC such connects.  I just added one more port connect to the system of-	 programs.   D The message is intermittent.  Sometimes the connect works, sometimes it fails.   > E >   The PRV facility prefix is usually associated with privileges andi! >   privilege-related operations.y > C >   I've searched OpenVMS, and no examples of the cited error code -F >   (PRV$_INSFCREDITH) were found -- there are a number of examples ofC >   SS$_INSFCREDITH, and it is certainly possible for the messages 2C >   associated with one facility to be co-opted by another; to havec! >   the facility prefix replaced.n  " You searched the documentation CD?   > F >   If I were guessing -- and without the necessary supporting detailsE >   and background information on the problem, I am -- this is either<G >   a bogus return status code, or this is a  cluster credit allocationd; >   error, and specifically a lack of hi-prio send credits.   E We don't have a cluster, unless it is some sort of default "cluster". ) How do you increase hi-prio send credits?f  9 I am not sure what privilege needs to be revised, if any.e   >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comq   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Mar 03 05:06:51 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comr# Subject: Re: Write Bitmap questionsw( Message-ID: <Q4qtNiExm0zI@cpva.saic.com>  ? In article <fae775d94b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>,8<  Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes:> > In message <1a40a0b2.0303261129.482ba6f8@posting.google.com>1 >           n8wxs@arrl.net (Jeff Campbell) wrote:a > i >> young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<H21bI5eo3Ih0@eisner.encompasserve.org>...sf >> > In article <4iuwnBpwlB5P@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: >> > > a% >> > > 	I got to thinking about this.  >> > > y) >> > > 	What is to prevent the following?  >> > > a4 >> > > 	$ DISMOUNT/POLICY=MINICOPY=OPTIONAL $1$DGA4: >> > > w  >> > > 	$ MOUNT/OVER=ID $1$DGA4: >> uK >> The MOUNT command will mount the drive NOWRITE since you did not specifyo >> /OVER=SHAD. >> nQ >> If you do use /OVER=SHAD to mount the drive, the shadow set member informationhJ >> is lost. Thus, a full copy will result when the drive is remounted as aD >> shadow set member. And yes you will lose the file you edited. 8-) >>  & >> > > 	$ SET DEFAULT $1$DGA4:[SUBDIR] >> > > o >> > > 	$ EDIT/TPU FILE.DATm >> > > y9 >> > > 		write bunch of blocks, 100, 1000, number doesn'to >> > > 		matter. >> > r% >> > 	$ DISMOUNT $1$DGA4: ! of courseo >> > >  K >> > > 	$ MOUNT/SYSTEM DSA5/SHAD=$1$DGA4:/POLICY=MINICOPY=OPTIONAL PROD_VOL  >> > > 'J >> > > 	At this point WBM copies blocks that changed.  However, the blocksH >> > > 	created by editing FILE.DAT aren't number among them and are notB >> > > 	the same as the ones on the rest of the shadowset members. >> > > eK >> > > 	Without using MINICOPY, this wouldn't matter as a full copy resultsh% >> > > 	anyhow.  So my questions are:  >> > > -@ >> > > 		1)  What prevents this from happening?  Does the system= >> > > 			keep track clusterwide if DGA4: has been written toV) >> > > 			and if so, a full copy results?F >> > > kE >> > > 		2)  Would this "potentially" be a problem?  If not, why not?h >> > >   >> > > O >> > > 				Thanks, >> > > . >> > > 				Rob >> > > >> w >> Jeff Campbell >> n8wxs@arrl.netf > N > I'm reading this thread and thinking either I or the original questioner areI > getting confused. I think what the questioner is seeing is the expectedaN > behaviour. Here is why I think that (with the caveat that I don't understand( > the effect of the MINICOPY qualifier). > K > Shadow set DSA5 exists, with at least two members (I'm assuming there aret! > two, although it isn't stated)   > > > One member is dismounted. That member is mounted privately.  > ; > A file is edited on the private disk (to do that requiress@ > MOUNT/OVER-SHADOW, destroying the shadow set membership info). > M > The privately mounted disk is dismounted, then remounted as a member of the  > (still existing) shadow set. > M > At this point the normal operation is to make the newly joined member matchSN > the existing member(s) by copying TO IT. Thus the edited file is restored to > its previous state.t > N > I don't believe there is a mechanism for merging together file operations on? > two disks which are being made into a shadow set. Am I wrong?  >   H Since the shadow generation number was erased during the MOUNT/OVER=SHADG this disk will no longer be recognized as having formerly been a member I of any shadow set. As such, when the MOUNT/SHAD command is issued it willoB be treated as any new disk entering into an existing shadow set. AH shadow copy will be initiated - a block-by-block compare is performed onH this new disk and the existing shadow set. Any non-equivalent blocks areG copied from the existing shadow set members to the new member. There isIF no consideration given to the file system during this operation - only blocks are considered.    H > If the original shadow set was one member, then the behaviour would beB > different, but then the question of a copy doesn't occur at all. >  > --   > Alan Adams( > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/e -- a - Jim    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 07:52:49 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t# Subject: Re: Write Bitmap questions'3 Message-ID: <ImvbkTMM6+H1@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  { In article <fae775d94b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> writes:t     	I *think* I have it.o  = 	The crux of my question was how to determine MINICOPY versusa 	full COPY behavior.  B 	Without that explicitly being spelled out in the Volume Shadowing= 	manual, I believe this updated info regarding MOUNT/DISMOUNTu 	status in the SCB is the key:  K http://www.itec.suny.edu/scsys/vms/OVMSDOC072/72final/5423/5423pro_006.htmle   	Version 7.2   Mount and dismount status  g  4 The SCB mount status field is used as a flag that isI set when a volume is mounted and cleared when it is dismounted. The MOUNTbJ command checks this field when a disk is mounted. If the flag is set, thisM indicates that the disk volume was incorrectly dismounted. This will occur in L the event of system failure. When mounting shadow sets that were incorrectlyN dismounted, the shadowing software automatically initiates merge operations.    G http://www.itec.suny.edu/scsys/vms/OVMSDOC073/V73/5423/5423pro_007.htmlV   	Version 7.3   Mount and dismount status   5  The SCB mount status field is used as a flag that ishO set when a volume is mounted and cleared when it is dismounted. There is also asL count of the number of nodes that have mounted the shadow set write-enabled.O The MOUNT command checks this field when a disk is mounted. If the flag is set,iO this indicates that the disk volume was incorrectly dismounted. This will occur O in the event of system failure. When mounting shadow sets that were incorrectly H dismounted, or where the write count field is not correct, the shadowing4 software automatically initiates merge operations.      @ 	The key is: "There is also a count of the number of nodes that , 	have mounted the shadow set write-enabled."  H "If the flag is set, this indicates that the disk volume was incorrectly< dismounted. This will occur in the event of system failure."  ? 	That also occurs if someone was playing around and mounted thet 	drive for write enabling.  @ 	So if someone mounts a dismounted shadow drive anywhere in the ; 	cluster for write enabling, full copy behavior takes placet? 	(Also if generation number is erased via /OVER=SHADOW_MEMBER).e@ 	I would think that is how they flip from MINICOPY to FULL COPY 
 	behavior.   	Any comments?   				Robn   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 07:53:25 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)Q Subject: Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and w/o directory-specs.m= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0303270753.66a1082e@posting.google.com>u   Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<4ab1bcd84b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>...( > In message <3E7FD2E4.6D0C2CCE@fsi.net>> >           "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > > Carlos wrote:s > > > M > > > I had the exact same errors using BACKUP/IMAGE in VMS 7.1-2. In my casemK > > > I was doing a BACKUP/IMAGE from one disk drive to another in order toyL > > > defragment the disk. Both drives were not mounted system wide, I did aJ > > > purge/keep=1, then an ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on the source drive, then the > > > BACKUP/IMAGE.i > > > E > > > I got the same error of NOSUCHFILE, with the empty [] directoryuJ > > > indication. Absolutely there was no activity on the drive except for > > > the BACKUP.  > > > J > > > Being a GOLD Support client, I escalated this to HP, showing them myL > > > DCL code and the error log. Basically, the guy I talked to was stumpedJ > > > and his only suggestion was to do explicit ALLOCATE before doing theG > > > BACKUP/IMAGE. Doubtfully I did do that but with the same results.h > > K > > What you're likely seeing is the result of "orphaned" directory entriesVH > > as well as "lost" files (files with no directory entry or an invalid > > directory backlink). > >  > K > The output of ANALYZE/DISK/NOREPAIR would be interesting. I would tend tofQ > suggest regular use of ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR - we used to run it over the weekendaQ > when the exclusive lock on the disk for several minutes didn't cause a problem.l >  > Alan    B Well, if you're also referring to my problem, here is such output:   $ anal/disk systA Analyze/Disk_Structure for _xxxxxx$DKA100: started on 27-MAR-2003  15:48:12.69l  B. %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file    C I believe my "problem" was caused by the file deletion happening ateE the same time that BACKUP was processing that file. I understand thatpB file deletion is somewhat complicated but I don't understand it inD detail. BACKUP probably had the file in its copy of the index at theC time and couldn't access during the directory walk phase because it-E was in the process of being deleted at that time. But I am puzzled asr@ to why one file shows up twice and why did it lose the directoryC information for said file. Is there a reference that expalains files8 deletion in enough detail to be able to figure this out?   Thanks.w   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanp   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.170 ************************