1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 28 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 171       Contents:3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) 3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising ' Re: Another day without VMS advertising  Clusters in the news Re: Clusters in the news Conference On Clustering) Current LRDRIVER.C source?  (X-3 v. X-10) - Re: Current LRDRIVER.C source?  (X-3 v. X-10) - Re: Current LRDRIVER.C source?  (X-3 v. X-10)  Re: DECUS UK Re: DECUS UK - clarification ? Re: DEFPA-AA Installation Help Re: DEFPA-AA Installation Help9 EFI Specifications (was: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!) = Re: EFI Specifications (was: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!) = Re: EFI Specifications (was: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!) 7 Formatting time for SMTP mail messages and HTTP headers : Re: Freebsd 5.0, simh, openvms and network problem...HELP! Re: High RMS file activity Re: High RMS file activity3 Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ? (Again) * How to show users with the same identifier. RE: How to show users with the same identifier Re: infovaxRe: DECUS UK  Just letting you know  Re: Just letting you know  Re: Just letting you know , Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How? Logical names in decwindows , OpenVMS Partners x OpenVMS Consortium (.org)  Re: OpenVMS SMP License Question6 OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?P Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha RetaiP Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC  Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC * Re: Problem with 7.3-1 on AlphaStation 600* Re: Problem with 7.3-1 on AlphaStation 600 Re: RamDisk futures  Re: SET NOTRUNCATEF Slowest ALpha ever (was: Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How?)P Re: Slowest ALpha ever (was: Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How?) How?) Re: Suggestion to Sue  Re: Suggestion to Sue & Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!2 Re: Trying something dangerous with cma* libraries2 Re: Trying something dangerous with cma* libraries2 Re: Trying something dangerous with cma* libraries& Updated HP software licensing webpages. Re: VT320 switches to 132 column mode on login Re: What is PRV-F-INSFCREDITH H Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and w/o directory-specs.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:10:34 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>< Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)8 Message-ID: <s7j68vcfiiqlgalu506rotgelujiso2ta2@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:46:11 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy . <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   >  >  >David J. Dachtera wrote:  >> Keith Parris wrote:   >>  H >>>"Today Cerner serves some 1,500 clients, 80% of whom run their Cerner9 >>>applications on HP OpenVMS AlphaServer technology." -- @ >>>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf >>   >>  H >> Hhmmm... I wonder what it would take to get Cerner to put that in the5 >> Wall Street Journal as a full-page or two-page ad?  >>   > ; >I am not sure what the point would be, Cerner have already ? >entered an agreement with IBM to develop their next generation > >of products using a DBMS that doesn't run on OpenVMS. If they0 >drop Oracle then OpenVMS is dead as a platform.  @ Why do you propose that they are dropping Oracle?  Is there some0 evidence that they'd leave a long-time platform?   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 17:24:01 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)< Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0303271724.7cc10236@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E818956.40404@nospamn.sun.com>...  > >>>  > >>> K > >>>IBM has been waffling lately as to whether AIX will survive long-term, D > >>>given the popularity of Linux.  In contrast, VMS has the strong> > >>>support of HP, and a long-term path laid out ahead of it. > >>> H > >>>And since 80% of Cerner customers use VMS compared with 20% at mostH > >>>for AIX, I think it is the AIX back-end which is arguably much less > >>>viable. > >>> J > >>>"Today Cerner serves some 1,500 clients, 80% of whom run their Cerner; > >>>applications on HP OpenVMS AlphaServer technology." -- B > >>>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf > >>9 > >>However IBM are supplying Cerner with the development < > >>and deployment software platform for their new products. > >>; > >>WebSphere and DB2, and this is a huge threat to OpenVMS 7 > >>if it is as people suggest the largest platform for  > >>Cerner currently.  > >> > >>Regards  > >>Andrew Harrison  > >  > > F > > are you kidding me?  IBM sells garbage just like you do at sun ...D > > IBM has no solution that even comes close to OpenVMS clustering,E > > security, and uptime ... I am still waiting for them to call back C > > and tell me why the AS400 I worked on 9 years ago crashed twice D > > in one month ... I have been on VMS 18 years now around that oneD > > month nightmare stint on convuluted menu city OS400 and have yetB > > to have "ONE" VMS os crash ... IBM is what sun is ... GARBAGE! > ; > Bob it doesn't matter you may think about the reliability 8 > or security of other non OpenVMS platforms if they are7 > the ones that can run the applications and OpenVMS is  > the one that cannot. > 5 > Its nice to see that you are still as articulate as 6 > ever keep it up, an archive of your postings sent to4 > an IT manager considering OpenVMS or anything else7 > would be a powerfull sales tool for the people trying ! > to sell the non OpenVMS system.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   ? VMS can run any app that any garbage unix/linux box can, and it = can run it SECURELY ... apache is one good example ... as for @ my posts such as working on vms for 18+ years now w/o a os crash= I don't think anyone can come close to that ... but you don't ? need my posts to sell vms, just look at the last 13 years worth B of cert advisories ... 10 for vms, 580+ and counting for slowaris,A even more for linux, and windoze, well I think even cert has lost 7 track of the count ... VMS record stands for itself ...    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 17:27:54 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)< Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0303271727.2adc3b4a@posting.google.com>   ^ david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote in message news:<b5s4uo$qu0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...j > In article <d7791aa1.0303251657.57a49790@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > >Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E8087FE.6030101@nospamn.sun.com>... > >> Keith Parris wrote:g > >> > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E7FD21F.68CEAD0A@fsi.net>...  > >> >  N > >> >>Well, I'd be careful there. Cerner with the back-end on AIX is at least1 > >> >>as viable as having the back-end on VMS...  > >> >   > >> >  M > >> > IBM has been waffling lately as to whether AIX will survive long-term, F > >> > given the popularity of Linux.  In contrast, VMS has the strong@ > >> > support of HP, and a long-term path laid out ahead of it. > >> >  J > >> > And since 80% of Cerner customers use VMS compared with 20% at mostJ > >> > for AIX, I think it is the AIX back-end which is arguably much less > >> > viable. > >> >  L > >> > "Today Cerner serves some 1,500 clients, 80% of whom run their Cerner= > >> > applications on HP OpenVMS AlphaServer technology." -- D > >> > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf > >>  : > >> However IBM are supplying Cerner with the development= > >> and deployment software platform for their new products.  > >>  < > >> WebSphere and DB2, and this is a huge threat to OpenVMS8 > >> if it is as people suggest the largest platform for > >> Cerner currently. > >>   > >> Regards > >> Andrew Harrison > > E > >are you kidding me?  IBM sells garbage just like you do at sun ... C > >IBM has no solution that even comes close to OpenVMS clustering,  > >security, and uptime ...  > B > Not quite true. If you pay enough then IBM has good solutions eg. > Syplex clustering for its mainframe systems. >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  4 sorry, it is true, VMS is still the gold standard in5 clustering, even gartner can't lie about that ... and 0 NOONE comes close, and because VMS was built for4 clustering, even a former dec vms cluster expert who3 now is trying to design clustering for linux agreed 0 that noone can match vms feature for feature ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:38:27 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>< Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)/ Message-ID: <3E839960.AF312F50@vl.videotron.ca>    Bob Ceculski wrote: ; > VMS can run any app that any garbage unix/linux box can,     It can, but doesn't.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 11:43:13 -0800( From: baby_p_nut@yahoo.com (Baby Peanut)0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising< Message-ID: <c5cf6e8.0303271143.4d7b9b01@posting.google.com>  s "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<MOiga.18184$s421.9697@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... G > More full page ads appeared in one of my local newspapers today - and  > none mention VMS.   # Think of it as evolution in action.   E > HP's current adverting campaign is a remarkable exercise in driving H > the profit margins out of the business. Here they are promoting Linux,H > which has zero profit margin on the theory that they will 'make it up'@ > on the hardware. With the hardware margins being compressed byD > competition, especially in the 'industry standard' market segment,> > just where the hell do they think that they will make money? > 9 > HP certainly 'invents'....more ways to ruin a business.  > ? > IBM's motto, 'Think', certainly does not apply at The New HP, ' > especially at the board of directors.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:09:13 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertisingH Message-ID: <t1Pga.28305$KlE.25253@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Baby Peanut" <baby_p_nut@yahoo.com> wrote in message 6 news:c5cf6e8.0303271143.4d7b9b01@posting.google.com...0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageD news:<MOiga.18184$s421.9697@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...E > > More full page ads appeared in one of my local newspapers today -  and  > > none mention VMS.  > % > Think of it as evolution in action.       With the emphasis on 'inaction'.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:21:27 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Clusters in the news G Message-ID: <rXJga.26946$KlE.6902@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   F http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=1208&e=1&u=/nf/20030 327/tc_nf/21107&sid=95573658  E If your company is not already running some kind of high-availability A system, it probably will begin doing so within the next couple of 3 years. "Everybody is going to be using clustering,"   < But not VMS clusters. Not without advertising and marketing.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:10:37 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>! Subject: Re: Clusters in the news 0 Message-ID: <3E83753B.FF79FE53@blueyonder.co.uk>   John Smith wrote:  > H > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=1208&e=1&u=/nf/20030 > 327/tc_nf/21107&sid=95573658 > G > If your company is not already running some kind of high-availability C > system, it probably will begin doing so within the next couple of 5 > years. "Everybody is going to be using clustering,"  > > > But not VMS clusters. Not without advertising and marketing.  E Yup, no matter what the technological advantages of VMS, it is surely C going to take real marketting bucks to buck the "You're an idiot to 6 propose a VMS solutions" attitude reported here often.   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2003 04:50:15 GMT- From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@nospam.rcn.com> ! Subject: Conference On Clustering > Message-ID: <Xns934BF27D4296Dkenrbnsnrbnsncom@199.184.165.241>  I I found the announcement of the IEEE International Conference on Cluster  K Computing in the newsgroup new.announce.conferences. The URL referenced is  & <http://www.csis.hku.hk/cluster2003/>.  F I wonder if HP will be sending any VMS people there to talk about VMS  Clustering?    Ken Robinson   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:20:23 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org2 Subject: Current LRDRIVER.C source?  (X-3 v. X-10)) Message-ID: <03032719202341@antinode.org>   F    On my VMS (Alpha) V7.2-1 system, the parallel port driver source inG SYS$EXAMPLES:LRDRIVER.C says '#pragma module LRDRIVER "X-3"', while the   actual driver seems to be newer:  % ALP $ set default SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES H ALP $ pipe anal /imag SYS$LRDRIVER.EXE | search sys$input identification(         Image Identification Information1                 image file identification: "X-10" B                 image file build identification: "X6TF-0050120000"/                 linker identification: "A11-39"   E    I would be grateful if, without resorting to suggestions like "buy E the source listings", anyone can supply a (free) way to get a copy of  the current source files.       What's true on V7.3-1?   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:44:09 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")6 Subject: Re: Current LRDRIVER.C source?  (X-3 v. X-10)6 Message-ID: <00A1D810.EF0D6632@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  B In article <03032719202341@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:G >   On my VMS (Alpha) V7.2-1 system, the parallel port driver source in H >SYS$EXAMPLES:LRDRIVER.C says '#pragma module LRDRIVER "X-3"', while the! >actual driver seems to be newer:  > & >ALP $ set default SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGESI >ALP $ pipe anal /imag SYS$LRDRIVER.EXE | search sys$input identification ) >        Image Identification Information 2 >                image file identification: "X-10"; >        image file build identification: "X6TF-0050120000" 0 >                linker identification: "A11-39" > F >   I would be grateful if, without resorting to suggestions like "buyF >the source listings", anyone can supply a (free) way to get a copy of >the current source files. >  >   What's true on V7.3-1?  I Same thing.  (There's text pointing out that this is an example driver; I H presume that means there's no felt commitment to keeping the example in  synch with the real driver.)   -- Alan       O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:20:35 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org6 Subject: Re: Current LRDRIVER.C source?  (X-3 v. X-10)) Message-ID: <03032720203567@antinode.org>   L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") > >   What's true on V7.3-1? > K > Same thing.  (There's text pointing out that this is an example driver; I J > presume that means there's no felt commitment to keeping the example in  > synch with the real driver.)      Once upon a time, though...  C  *      X-2     VMS000          OpenVMS Alpha Drivers   29-Jun-1995 J  *              This example driver is now the same source that is used toM  *              produce the SYS$LRDRIVER.EXE image that ships on the VMS kit.   E    Apparently this sentiment lasted through X-3 (VMS001, 6-Jan-1996).   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:31:41 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: DECUS UK 5 Message-ID: <1030327170531.5001B-100000@Ives.egh.com>   ? On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 peter.watkinson1@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote:   0 > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:40:17 +0000, Mark Round) > <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com> wrote:  >=20
 > >Hi all, > > L > >Please forgive this message if it's a case of "RTFM" - it's just that th= e 9 > >documentation I can find seems to be out of date...=20  > > K > >I'd like to get started with OpenVMS - firstly on Simh, and then ideally K > >when I have the cash, I plan on getting an Alpha station. In order to do  > >this, I gather I have to :- > > ' > >1.) Join my local "chapter" of Decus 0 > >2.) Buy the hobbyist CD from www.montagar.com > > L > >However, when I've tried looking for my local DECUS group (I'm in the UK= ),I > >I've discovered that the decus.org.uk homepage no longer appears to be A > >available. A Google search directs me to the UK "HP-CUO" site.  > > L > >I see that it costs =A355 to register for a personal membership. Would t= his L > >get me the "DECUS number" that I need to order and install the VAX hobby= ist , > >CD ? If not, how could I get registered ? > >  > >Many thanks in advance, > >  > >-Mark > >  >=20 >=20  > You can join the CUO UK online >=20 > here >=20 >=20D > http://www.compaqusers.org/site/shop/shopsublistnonmem.asp?id=3D91 >=20 > CUO  >=20 > http://www.compaqusers.org >=20 > then go to >=20 > http://www.montagar.com/ >=20 >=20% > To apply for your media and license  >=20 > just follow the instructions  5 A lot of people seem to get confused at this point...   9 There are 3 licenses on the Montagar page, and you need 2 
 of them...  6 There are base O/S licenses for VAX and Alpha (get the3 one appropriate for your system) and there is an LP 5 (Layered Products) license that is the same for both. 8 (Some LP's are only available for Alpha or VAX (maybe?),/ but you can install all the licenses on either.   ; The licenses are good for about 1 year, and if you re-apply 8 with identical information in less than about 11 months, it silently ignores you.  3 In my experience, you need one O/S license for each 4 system you own.  I think this is keyed to the system0 type and serial number you enter in the form, so7 Montagar can tell if this is a new system or a renewal. 7 When you register the licenses on the system id doesn't 0 care about either of these, except the Alpha/VAX5 distinction.  However, if you cluster the systems, it 4 might compare the license info and cause problems if3 you register the same base O/S license on more than 2 one.  Basically, the first system to boot gets the5 license.  So it's best to get individual licenses for 5 each system, distinguished by serial numbers.  If you 1 are using systems without serial numbers (such as 6 SIMH on a PC), then I think it is fine to use the PC's" serial number or make up your own.  1 A single LP license seems to suffice for all your 6 systems.  Since it presumably expires on the same date0 as your 1st hobbyist O/S license, you'll have to3 remember that the O/S and LP licenses on your other 3 systems may expire at different times, or you might 1 get an unpleasant surprise one day!  (This always 6 seems to happen when the Montagar site is inaccessible1 and everyone there has just left for vacation :-(   5 P.S.  I think license expiration is only checked when 4 the licenses are loaded, normally at boot time.  (It4 warns you if licenses are expiring soon, as does the1 "$ show license/brief" command.)  Since VMS never 1 crashes or needs rebooting, this is hard to watch 3 for!  Several people have posted command procedures 1 here for monitoring licenses, sending you mail if 5 any are about to expire, etc.  A google search should 
 find them.   >=20H > If you think you might be using a Marvel or whatever Itanium Iron someC > day I think it's well worth the small fee and few days wait IMHO.  >=20	 > cheers,  >=20 >=20( > PS I have some links on my web page=20 >=20 > here >=20  > http://www.pwnavigate.com/web/ >=20	 > see you  >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Peter Watkinson ' > peter.watkinson1<nospam>@ntlworld.com  > remove <nospam> to reply :-) >=20 >=20   --=20  John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 23:26:59 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>' Subject: Re: DECUS UK - clarification ? 6 Message-ID: <20030327232659.32357.qmail@gacracker.org>  G On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Mark Round <mNaOrk.rSoPuAnMd7@ntlworld.com> wrote:  >Steve Bainbridge wrote: > G >> I joined the US chapter as an associate member - it's free and a few F >> days later my ID arrived and I was able to register on Montagar for >> licences. > M >Thanks for the tip - I've just registered with them, I hope they didn't mind L >a UK address being filled in! I'll also keep trying for the UK membership -" >I'll let you know how I get on...  H If you've looked in the Google archives for the past few weeks or months: you'll see this is becoming a frequently reported problem.  D Please bear in mind that the original Hobbyist program pre-dates VAXD emulators that allow you to do crazy things like run VMS on an IntelE laptop. I've tried to raise this as an issue, and the feedback so far 7 indicates that steps are being taken to improve things.   K This isn't just by people such as Dave Cathay at Montagar. People within HP I are pushing to get a better Hobbyist program. I'm delighted to see people K given  room to do this, and I hope it indicates that VMS will soon cease to ( be a product only for those in the know.  = I'll still be pushing for high-profile advertising though. :)      Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:26:06 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: DEFPA-AA Installation Help 4 Message-ID: <b5vmp1$ass5$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  I Run the appropriate configuration script, depending on the protocols that  you prefer:   % DECnet phase 4 @sys$manager:netconfig G DECnet phase 5 @sys$manager:net$configure     (with the ADVANCED option  perhaps)  TCPIP  @sys$manager:tcpip$config  : LAT may be configured thru the LATCP utility ($ mc latcp).  6 "Rick Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> schreef in bericht# news:3E821348.127B8CEF@uiowa.edu... B > I have a DEFPA-AA FDDI (SAS) card I want to install and use in a AlphaStationL > 400.  It is currently configured with OpenVMS v7.3 via a 10BaseT NIC.  The FDDI; > card is installed and I believe it is visible to OpenVMS:  >  > $ Show Device FWA0: /full  > K > Device FWA0:, device type DEFPA, is online, network device, error logging  is) >     enabled, device is a template only.  > > >     Error count                    0    Operations completed 0 3 >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC  [SYSTEM]2 >     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W = >     Reference count                0    Default buffer size  512  > J > I am not sure how to proceed to make it the primary network interconnect for J > this system.  It would be connected directly to a local GIGAswitch which handles " > all of my other OpenVMS servers. > J > If I pull the ethernet and let it boot up, it does not use the FDDI card asK > far as I can tell and has no network connection, so I guess it doesn't do  an > autoconfig. :) > I > I don't have any documentation that might have come with the card and I  haveJ > never installed any FDDI cards myself, so I don't know where to look for docs.  > K > If someone can point to an appropriate OpenVMS manual for this subject, I  would  > be grateful! > K > As for SYSGEN values, does anyone have any suggestions for the best value  for I > NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ?  I believe I have read that it offers SCS improvements  since 1 > it can increased in FDDI vs. Ethernet networks.  > 	 > Thanks!  > Rick   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:49:41 GMT ' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> ' Subject: Re: DEFPA-AA Installation Help ) Message-ID: <3E8363E5.9894ACFF@uiowa.edu>   O > > If I pull the ethernet and let it boot up, it does not use the FDDI card as P > > far as I can tell and has no network connection, so I guess it doesn't do an > > autoconfig. :) > 3 > Depends on what you mean by "network connection".    	As Homer Simpson says:  Duh!   E 	I now know what to do.  Indeed, I have swapped over to using my FDDI I interface as the primary DECnet V, TCPIP and LAT interface via the config 	 programs.   C 	Thanks for slapping me around a bit... :)  I don't know what I was 	 thinking!   ] > 1    Decnet - rerun the configuration tool, which in phaseV aka Decnet/OSI, aka Decnet-plus * > it's @SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE ADVANCED1 > and add configuration for your new device name.  > M > 2    TCPIP v5 - @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG (or might be TCPIP$CONFIGURE) and  > add in the new interface > B > 3    Cluster - are you booting over it - if so BOOT -FL 0,0 FWA0 > L > Note that I haven't done this myself with FDDI, but it seems to be treatedL > the same as Ethernet adapters, and the above works for additional ethernet > adapters.   J 	Indeed, it is just like them.  From my POV, it is just a different letter" device name. :)  FW instead of EW!   Thanks!  Rick   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:08:58 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>B Subject: EFI Specifications (was: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!)@ Message-ID: <20030327220858.37388.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>  
 By the way !    < Is there the possibility in the future to have a Lan Console: for Alphas ? Coming from the HP development for Itanium !  Even third-part  ???     Regards    FC  D --- Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com> wrote:N > Te EFI is it's own animal from Intel.  I'm sure HP had input into it, as did > Microsoft. > , > Yes, there is such thing as a LAN console. > K > An even more interesting thing is the management console on (for example) J > the rx2600 - which has it's own microprocessor, and LAN device.  You canL > give this thing an IP address, and then connect to the console via Telnet, > or from a web browser. > > > We are also embracing OpenView, and the HP management tools. >  >  > = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message < > news:20030318045203.29518.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com... > > Dear Sirs and Ladies ! :-) > > < > > I didnt read the document yet ! Is the EFI specification5 > > a merge of the SRM (Alpha) and GSP (PA-RISC) ???? 7 > > So will it be acessible by the "lan console" ot the 9 > > network interface  ??? I am asking it because I would 9 > > like to have remote management of the firmware and it C > > will be usefull for disaster recovery (remote sites management, = > > remote clusters troubleshooting) ! May I will have reason $ > > in this newsgroup someday  ? ;-) > >  > >  > >  > > Regards  > >  > > FC6 > > --- Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:K > > > In article <uktda.448$k72.294@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff  > > > Hoffman) writes: > > > 6 > > > >   Please get the EFI specs.  Please read them. > > > > % > > > >   http://developer.intel.com/  > > > B > > > Easy for you to say -- you probably have JavaScript enabled. > > > @ > > > http://www.intel.com/technology/efi/main_specification.htm > > > J > > > produces a lovely blank page other than the marketing fluff and html> > > > garbage (using Netscape Communicator 4.75 on Macintosh). > >  > > 	 > > =====  > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > > 6 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!?J > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > http://platinum.yahoo.com  >  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?F Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:15:41 GMT * From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>F Subject: Re: EFI Specifications (was: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!)1 Message-ID: <xCLga.1012$AY3.186@news.cpqcorp.net>   ; "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message : news:20030327220858.37388.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com... > By the way ! > > > Is there the possibility in the future to have a Lan Console; > for Alphas ? Coming from the HP development for Itanium !  > Even third-part  ???  I The hp RX2600 Itanium 2 system has an optional management card with a LAN L port that can be accessed via Telnet to power cycle the system and as use asH the console terminal under VMS.  I haven't tried it yet, but have seen a demo.      Paul A. Jacobi Hewlett Packard Company ! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698 $ Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:23:41 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>F Subject: Re: EFI Specifications (was: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!)@ Message-ID: <20030327232341.45202.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>   Paul$ This is a product by HP (original) !5 I installed the PA-RISC L-1000 using this hardware !  
 Wonderful ...    Regards    FC    / --- "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com> wrote:  > = > "Fabio Cardoso" <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message < > news:20030327220858.37388.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com... > > By the way ! > > @ > > Is there the possibility in the future to have a Lan Console= > > for Alphas ? Coming from the HP development for Itanium !  > > Even third-part  ??? > K > The hp RX2600 Itanium 2 system has an optional management card with a LAN N > port that can be accessed via Telnet to power cycle the system and as use asJ > the console terminal under VMS.  I haven't tried it yet, but have seen a > demo.  >  >  > Paul A. Jacobi > Hewlett Packard Company # > OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  > 110 Spitbrook Road > Nashua, NH 03062-2698 & > Email: Paul dot Jacobi at hp dot com >  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?F Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 16:59:28 -0800+ From: googlepost01@tedcrane.com (ted crane) @ Subject: Formatting time for SMTP mail messages and HTTP headers= Message-ID: <dd169acf.0303271659.7d5a1d2f@posting.google.com>   . Looking for a quick and easy way to format the) current time for use in SMTP mail headers  and HTTP headers.    For example:  !   Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:21:38 -0500    Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:21:38 EST '   Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:24:12 -0800 (PST)    Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:46:27 GMT    Here's what I know:   1 DCL f$time() and f$cvtime() don't appear to offer 3 any output choices other than the usual VMS format. 7 They don't obey the LIB$DT_FORMAT logical name, perhapsN2 because they use $ASCTIM instead of LIB$FORMAT....  8 The logical name LIB$DT_FORMAT doesn't have a "standard": definition for this particular format.  Worse, it seems as6 though defining something locally requires using /EXEC8 mode when defining into a system table.  Requires privs.  5 The result can be achieved by writing some code whichh2 creates a process-specific date/time output format and then uses LIB$FORMAT.... *BUT*e0 I can't find any mechanism for incorporating the5 timezone offset into the LIB$DT_FORMAT.  And I'd liker/ to avoid messing with SYS$TIMEZONE... logicals.   2 So, is there something conveniently built into VMS2 that I've missed?  Seems like it ought to be there, to save everyone from reinventing the wheel.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:06:53 GMTe4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>C Subject: Re: Freebsd 5.0, simh, openvms and network problem...HELP! 0 Message-ID: <3E83745C.4D252AAE@blueyonder.co.uk>   HarrisNewman wrote:  > H > I'm having a strange problem with Simh, and was wondering if you couldG > help.  I'm trying to get networking going on openvms.  I'm running on H > Freebsd 5.0.  I added USE_NETWORK to the compile as shown below.  WhenH > I run the emulator, and try to attach an XQ device, I get the "command > not allowed" message!a  # In my ini for Simh on Linux I have:   
 set xq0 delqax attach XQ eth0  & You seem to be missing the first line.  U Also, are you logged in a root? Simh requires this for networking support (see docs).s  O Apart from that, I dunno, it works on my Mandrake 9.0 system with that setting.e   regardsa -- p tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:48:02 GMTi! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzl# Subject: Re: High RMS file activity & Message-ID: <3e8399bc.1813606958@news>  B On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:20:22 -0700, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote:  F >Monitoring disk i/o and queue lengths will show which disks have highH >activity.  Is there a utility available to spotlight the volatile files >on a disk?i >dF It doesn't  do what you require, but Enterprise Capacity Planner (ECP)= available off the HP web site may provide you with a bit morep performance related info. ? Alas, the version that Cpmpaq  got rid of used to do a hot filetC analysis (I think CA now own it). The freebee doesn't offer as muchw functionality.- You can produce some pretty graphs though ;-)- >--- >Lee >-6 >L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.ca >Capital Health Authorityx >Information Systems, RAH CSCA >Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA >r >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:00:28 -0700T$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca># Subject: Re: High RMS file activity_) Message-ID: <3E83BACC.71B2919F@cha.ab.ca>   J Thanks for all the replies.  We do run the freebee daily.  I'll check into it.s  " rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote:  D > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:20:22 -0700, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> > wrote: >:H > >Monitoring disk i/o and queue lengths will show which disks have highJ > >activity.  Is there a utility available to spotlight the volatile files
 > >on a disk?l > > H > It doesn't  do what you require, but Enterprise Capacity Planner (ECP)? > available off the HP web site may provide you with a bit moreo > performance related info. A > Alas, the version that Cpmpaq  got rid of used to do a hot filerE > analysis (I think CA now own it). The freebee doesn't offer as muchy > functionality./ > You can produce some pretty graphs though ;-)l > >--e > >Lee > > 8 > >L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.ca > >Capital Health Authorityi > >Information Systems, RAH CSC: > >Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA > >m > >o   -- Lees  5 L Y T Mah                    Email:  lytmah@cha.ab.ca  Capital Health Authority Information Systems, RAH CSC Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:00:25 -0800 (PST)s. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>< Subject: Re: Hoff, what is the status of your book ? (Again)@ Message-ID: <20030327220025.29354.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>   Hi  . Is this book about : Performance Management ?    Regardse   FC V1 --- David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> wrote: H > Hoff has done quite a bit or work on the 2nd edition but was unable toG > finish.  Digital Press asked me to finish it up.  We are targeting anr > October publication date.n >  > dave.e >  > MIchael Rice wrote ..../ > @ > This question was posed about 6 months ago in this same group. > I > Referencing the book: "OpenVMS System Management Guide", Digital Press,  > ISBN: 1555582435.w > J > Mine's been on order at Amazon for quite some time.  Is there an updated& > ETA for this sure-to-be masterpiece? >  >  >  >  >      =====r ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazila fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?F Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 18:28:22 -0800) From: yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com (Kenneth)n3 Subject: How to show users with the same identifierh= Message-ID: <f26516b9.0303271828.79ec2181@posting.google.com>   B If I have some files that have the access control list for certainD users with the identifer e.g. FINACNCE, how can I list all the usersB with the identifer "FINANCE" ? I am using VMS 7.2-1 on Alpha 8400. Thanks.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:01:33 +1030f: From: "Barratt, Chris (FMC)" <Chris.Barratt@fmc.sa.gov.au>7 Subject: RE: How to show users with the same identifierhP Message-ID: <07103702F27FD411ACA30000F8085452044FF343@sagemshs001.fmc.sa.gov.au>   from authorise UAF> show/ident/full FINANCE     > -----Original Message-----D > From: yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com [mailto:yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com]# > Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 12:58  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 > Subject: How to show users with the same identifierm >  > D > If I have some files that have the access control list for certainF > users with the identifer e.g. FINACNCE, how can I list all the usersD > with the identifer "FINANCE" ? I am using VMS 7.2-1 on Alpha 8400.	 > Thanks.t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:06:13 -060021 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>)  Subject: Re: infovaxRe: DECUS UK' Message-ID: <3E83AE15.6BEDE540@fsi.net>    Phillip Helbig wrote:3 > 9 > > If I get the hobbyist kit, can I not boot from that ?b > I > Presumably.  (I bought an OS CD from DEC (yes, DEC back then!) and haveaG > borrowed media otherwise.)  What I meant was, if you decide to borrowlJ > media to install stuff, you still might want to have a bootable CD.  You? > can boot from this then make backups of your system disk etc.n  F The hobbyist VMS kit is nothing more or less than the "standard-issue"G VMS CD with as many layered products as can be made to fit (BASIC, C, a> couple others) on a single CD.  H If it had been up to me, I'd have simply re-badged the standard-issue CDF and added the layered product CDs I recently wrote DCL code to produceC from the quarterly SPL (Google comp.os.vms for it - fairly recent).tA That'd be a total of four(4) CDs for Alpha, and three(3) for VAX.p  C Anyone who'd buy that for $74.95 U.S., please "raise your hand". If>? enough interest is expressed, you never know - we might get theoD attention of the VMS powers-that-be and get permission to go for it.  G ...or is this one of those times when forgiveness will be easier to getc than permission?   -- h David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 14:09:26 -08001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski)  Subject: Just letting you know= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0303271409.20f68f64@posting.google.com>t   Dear Newsgroup,s    1 I just wanted to let you know a couple of things.>  F 1.  I am not in Marketing and I have not been in Marketing for several years.  E So telling me that we do not Market and do not Advertise VMS will notsD help.  If I were in a position to affect these changes, I would most certainly do so.  B 2.  I am not going to respond to why don't we advertise/market VMS, questions, you all know my feelings on this.  F I will do what I can to help anyone that is an hp customer to the best of my ability.  F I will continue to post as much information as I can on the newsgroup,F but please try to avoid responding with "but if we advertised/marketedE VMS" its really de-motivating that no matter the post there is alwaysf* the same complaint.  Even when its a joke.  F I love you folks, you are the best and I appreciate you being you, and I hope it can work both ways.    Big hug, sue.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:06:08 GMTm# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>F" Subject: Re: Just letting you knowH Message-ID: <A_Oga.28298$KlE.13673@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:857e9e41.0303271409.20f68f64@posting.google.com...( > Dear Newsgroup,c >R >A3 > I just wanted to let you know a couple of things.6 >0@ > 1.  I am not in Marketing and I have not been in Marketing for severalt > years. >nC > So telling me that we do not Market and do not Advertise VMS will  noteF > help.  If I were in a position to affect these changes, I would most > certainly do so. >nD > 2.  I am not going to respond to why don't we advertise/market VMS. > questions, you all know my feelings on this. >mC > I will do what I can to help anyone that is an hp customer to thea best > of my ability. > = > I will continue to post as much information as I can on the 
 newsgroup,4 > but please try to avoid responding with "but if we advertised/marketedr@ > VMS" its really de-motivating that no matter the post there is always, > the same complaint.  Even when its a joke. >yD > I love you folks, you are the best and I appreciate you being you, andy > I hope it can work both ways.     = So, what are the names, titles, telephone numbers, and e-mail A addresses of those in HP who are NOT marketing VMS but should be? C We'll take it up with them directly. Or is that their names are topa; secret and that they 'work' (if you can call it that) in anb undisclosed location?a  ? I mean those in HP besides the BOD, Carly, Blackmore, Stallard,g Marcello, and Gorham.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 04:12:35 GMTs4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>" Subject: Re: Just letting you know0 Message-ID: <3E83C9A5.EB394357@blueyonder.co.uk>   Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > Dear Newsgroup,  > 3 > I just wanted to let you know a couple of things.- > H > 1.  I am not in Marketing and I have not been in Marketing for several > years. >   ! So you were in marketing before? D  G > So telling me that we do not Market and do not Advertise VMS will notoF > help.  If I were in a position to affect these changes, I would most > certainly do so. > D > 2.  I am not going to respond to why don't we advertise/market VMS. > questions, you all know my feelings on this. >   L Yes, but what are the real reasons, thats what I for one would like to know.K Scared of BG? Scared of the lack of services and consulting revenues if you-L can deploy systems that work well for years and years? Scared the technologyE might be used against the good ole USA? Scared of the business risks D, your good ole VMS system manager type poses?  H > I will do what I can to help anyone that is an hp customer to the best > of my ability.  E So you will be the one to turn off the lights in VMS engineering wheni) the business has fully eroded to nothing?m   > H > I will continue to post as much information as I can on the newsgroup,H > but please try to avoid responding with "but if we advertised/marketedG > VMS" its really de-motivating that no matter the post there is alwaysd, > the same complaint.  Even when its a joke.  P Being on the dole because there are no new VMS projects and one's skills are notG considered transferable is even more demotivating, thank you very much.    > H > I love you folks, you are the best and I appreciate you being you, and > I hope it can work both ways.  >   G And love will save VMS like it will stop famine and war? I'm sorry Sue,cF keep pumping out the press releases for the converted, sure, I have noG problems with that, but you've should be more careful with your wordingl IMHO.e         -- r tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk w  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:01:06 -0500b  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>5 Subject: Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How? 5 Message-ID: <1030327164446.5001A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   ) On 27 Mar 2003 pmoreau@ath.cena.fr wrote:X  1 > In article <3E81CAB7.56FCE528@pressenter.com>,  2 > Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes: > [...] I > > The monitor says to run at 1280x1024x60Hz. I had the old VRC21 set to @ > > 1280x1024x70Hz. So I set the refresh rate down. Still no go. > O > I have an XP900 with Elsa Gloria and a Nec 1880SX LCD. I had some problems atiL > 1280x1024x60Hz , but all is ok at 65 Hz. VMS 7.2-1 with last graphics Ecos > ? > The Elsa is a bit slow but it is very usable in 16 bits mode." > 	 > Patrick"  C When people talk about a graphics card being "fast" or "slow", whatt exactly are they refering to?u  > I ask because I'm interested in getting a "better" card for myC old, slow, but trusty AlphaStation 200 4/100.  (Is this the slowestr> Alpha ever made?)  Actually, I have two of these, more-or-lessC identical, one running DEC Unix (at work) and one running VMS 7.3-1  (at home, hobbyist).  < The cards in them are #9's (are they now defunct?) S3 cards.E My main complaint about them is they only display 256 colors (8 bits)3! and the resolution seems limited.S  @ I understand (possibly incorrectly) that most of the more recent= video cards require EV5 or later, because the drivers use EV5D< instructions.  (But I thought EV5/6/7 code would run, though@ slowly, on any Alpha, using traps and emulating the instructions> in software.  Is this only true of user mode code, or only for stuff running at IPL 0?)  @ Is the much-maligned Elsa Gloria actually so much faster than my4 S3-based card that I would see it as an improvement?  ? Or does "fast" only apply to rapid redrawing of frames, such aso< in games or real-time graphics, and I couldn't care less for? my typical usage (mostly running lots of DECterms, and a littled light surfing?)T  ; I have nice 19" monitors (ViewSonic at work, Sony at home),"8 but can't seem to get them to display anything 1024*768.     -- l John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:49:35 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: Logical names in decwindows/ Message-ID: <3E8347B3.28550B4E@vl.videotron.ca>e  5 OK, this may be a silly question. But it is friday...   L I know how to use $DEFINE in a decterm at the dollar prompt. I know that theJ DECWIDNOWS session manager has a "Logical Nanes" menu option that lets you* define logicals in systen, group, job etc.  M However, when I start an application such as MAIL from the session manager askM a detached process, is there any way to give it some logicals names ? or must=L I define all available menu option to be spawed as supprocesses and then use0 JOB logicals in the decwindows session manager ?  L What are the implications of having commands start as subprocess vs detached	 process ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:18:39 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>5 Subject: OpenVMS Partners x OpenVMS Consortium (.org)v? Message-ID: <20030327221839.1894.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>g   Dear People   7 I use to check every week some homepages of ISVs which o: resell OpenVMS  since 2000 and a few of them never changedA a line ?  Look like their products are static (ex. NLS products).s  C So as I proposed a few months ago... why not create an organizationE@ like an OpenVMS consortium to rebrand / redevelop / improve someA products. I believe it would be managed by an OpenVMS.org like ! -C I checked that there are about 3 (three) companies selling similiarhC products (ex. Raxco Control, PeekSpy and other) which make the same C thing... Why not consolidate them ? Why not use the OpenVMS.org as -A a selling channel for these products  ? And using OpenVMS.org as oE a OpenVMS Professionals Portal ! I gave this suggestion to Ken Farmer7A a few months ago - everybody worldwide would use the OpenVMS.org,nA representing this "Communit"- would be a virtual focal point for+B the independent consultants worldwide ! How many professionals are# spreaded worldwide working alone ? h   Just my weekend suggestion ! M   Regardss   FC t           =====n ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazill fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?F Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:03:45 GMTS4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS SMP License Questiono0 Message-ID: <RGJga.997$4R3.769@news.cpqcorp.net>  9 "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@mazda.mitre.org> wrote in message ( news:b5qim1$6sr$1@newslocal.mitre.org...? > >Can you explain what you mean by saying "...crippled with non
 clustering > >services..."? > B > I think I may be mistaken about the clustering.  IIRC, MSCP disk serving B > worked just fine when I put one of my cluster machines into this
 situation.  B I thought so, but wanted to ask in case there might have been some
 confusion.   > What didn't work was:w >c > Logging in via TCP/IPh > Logging in via DECNETw! > Decwindows/Motif on the consolea  D That is expected, as you must have the required PAK(s) loaded before they will work.  Best of luck.   --  
 Sincerely,	 Mark Budar Hewlett-Packard Companyo VMS Engineeringy 110 Spitbrook Road
 MS: ZK3-4/X57  Nashua, NH 03062 Voice: (603) 884-1969t FAX: (603) 884-3451o  + VMS Home Page http://www.openvms.compaq.como> OpenVMS Portal http://www.openvms.compaq.com/portal/index.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:09:41 GMTs/ From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.openvms.org> ? Subject: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?a< Message-ID: <F9Oga.9473$RS6.455678@twister.southeast.rr.com>  A A closer look at what competition has been prowling in your area.   
 Have fun!  :)y   OpenVMS.orgs9 http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Survey_Introductionf  3 If you also run Tru64, here is the url on Tru64.org 7 http://www.tru64.org/pages.php?page=Survey_Introduction     ' As usual, send comments or suggestions.    -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.OpenVMS.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:01:11 GMTO# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>aC Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door? G Message-ID: <XVOga.28276$KlE.3322@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>I  : "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.openvms.org> wrote in message6 news:F9Oga.9473$RS6.455678@twister.southeast.rr.com...C > A closer look at what competition has been prowling in your area.i >f > Have fun!  :)t >.
 > OpenVMS.orgu; > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Survey_Introductionn >     Survey 2 [ Error processing survey: Survey is not active. ]   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:43:51 GMTs& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retaiv8 Message-ID: <8nh68vse2jfbgq35vvcu0e7s9o2p9spjlt@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:30:31 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy . <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   >o >i >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:iJ >> Can we just wrap this all up in a shorthand format, or do we have to go >> through the ritual. >> aM >> Sun:   Benchmarks don't mean anything, especially the ones we look bad on.uH >> Guy:  Well, how about actual performance stories from real customers. >Sun: Well where are they thenE >Guy: Ahh well thats a bit tricky how about Bank of Austria instead ?  >Sun: Sorry bzzt.i >M  D Yeah.  You're sorry because you can't contradict that story with any real facts.   D The article stands on it's own as proof that there are customers who6 use the GS160 with Oracle Financials - your proverbialD transaction-oriented workloads - even though you claim that it can't be true.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:57:03 GMT-& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Y Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha RetaiU8 Message-ID: <rph68vkqgq4lvro689tg218v4bqqgoaaj5@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:25:02 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyn. <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:   >> >j
 >jlsue wrote:aH >> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:58:00 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy1 >> <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:> >> n >>   >>>T >>>jlsue wrote:  >>>eJ >>>>NOTE:  I know the attribution below may not be exactly correct....  inI >>>>switching ISPs I missed some notes and had to look them up on Google.h >>>>I >>>>On Tue, 13 Mar 2003 09:12:05 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyo2 >>>><Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>I >>>>>>I don't divulge any details about my customer.  However, there is alL >>>>>>web page for HP wins, and one that's kinda neat is at Bank of Austria.@ >>>>>>They have 16-P GS160 systems.  check out the report below: >>>>>>? >>>>>>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/Bank-Austria/p >>>>>> >>>>>aE >>>>I never made claims about the performance in specific numbers, soo2 >>>>you're wasting your time with that argument.   >>>> >>> > >>>No you made general claims, which you have failed miserably$ >>>to back up with specific numbers. >> l >i8 >Look this is an argument that you lost a long long time; >ago by not being able to produce one example that supportss >your conjecture.n  = Andrew you're going around in circles so much that now you'ree, responding to, and arguing with YOURSELF!!!!  7 Please note from whom that statement came.  It was YOU.s   >n7 >I have produced numerous examples that support mine so 7 >unless you actually come up with a more adult responsep7 >that includes fact rather than hand wavey BS you mighta >as well not bother.  D Ah bullshit.  My position has been that happy customers do exist.  IC have even provided two examples of customers who are happy.  Do you:A deny that these exist?  If not, then how does this not support myl	 position?R   >y >> <F >> No, I made claims that YOUR general claims are unsupportable in the8 >> real world.  If I made general claims, show me where. >> n >s; >This is the REAL world which you are unable to provide any  >examples of for inspection.  D I see.  I give you TWO REAL WORLD examples, and you just ignore themB so that you can make these vacuous claims.  Now you see why you're
 such a waste?i   >e >>  = >>>When are you going to work it out, Compaq have published a ; >>>wealth of benchmark results that show that the GS160/320o> >>>don't perform to the levels claimed by your marketing, your> >>>own customers have also provided numbers for their own apps >>>that show this. >>   >>  I >> When in doubt, always quote these benchmark results.  That way you cann >> ignore real-world results.i >>   >m7 >You customers have posted their real world experiencesb: >to this newsgroup they support the inevitable conclusions5 >of your own benchmark results, how clear do you need 
 >it to be.  @ SOME customers have, that is not ALL customers.  Do you know the difference?o  B And in counter-arguments I have provided two customer testimonialsC that claim the opposite.  There are others.  You're welcome to lookrA through the HP Wins and References site to find them (note:  I am : using your tactic of making you go out to prove my point).   > E >> I have supplied examples that disprove your claims that they don't A >> perform well, and in particular, your generalizations that alleG >> "transacton-oriented" applications will perform badly.  YOU made theeF >> general claims, so all I've got to do is show counter examples that >> disprove the generality.i >>   >-? >No you havn't you have made statements like "in my experience" < >and "I know of customers that" without providing one single= >example. Forgive me for being harsh but given your dreadfullu= >track record when you say "in my experience" the BS detectort> >starts buzzing loudly. After all it was you who said I looked: >in the Deja archive for customers with performance issues: >moving from 8400/140 to GS160/320 and you apparently were >unable to find any !s  B What a joke.  When I speak of my experience with my customers, youE counter that you just don't believe me.  Do you have some evidence ore* proof that I am not speaking truthfully?    F Unlike you, I try to avoid making statements about things that are farA outside my realm of experience.  I may not always avoid it, but InD think my record speaks for itself here.  If you have evidence to theA contrary, showing tens or hundreds of posts where I have not doneP this, please present them here.o  E And don't tell me there all over this group and look for myself.  YouCE make the claim about my track record, it's up to you to support thoset claims.e   Either put up or shut up.I   >  >> e8 >>>Get used to it and try being a bit more adult in your8 >>>responses, accusing me of lying isn't going to assist
 >>>your case.  >> t >>  @ >> That's gotta be another for the pot-and-kettle award.  But toD >> demonstrate that you are talking out of the wrong end, see below: >> h >2: >So demonstrate where I have lied in this discussion. This >is a put up or shut up point.   I did below.  Can't you read?e   >  >> F >>> G >>>>The article DOES NOT say that the GS160 gave them a 28% performance E >>>>increase.  Try reading for comprehension next time.  It says thatCI >>>>"moving to VMS 7.3 gave them a 28% performance increase.  The articleiH >>>>actually does not give any info as to the performance gains from theE >>>>GS160.  This is yet another attempt on your part to mis-represent C >>>>things to try to back up your unsupportable logical conclusion.e >>>> >>>iG >>>You need to read the small print down towards the end of the articlee >>>and not the headline. >>> B >>>The article talks about two events, an upgrade to the GS and anE >>>upgrade to 7.3 but only refers to one 28% performance improvement.v >> l >>  H >> Yes, you are correct, it does refer to both activities.  However, the. >> EXACT quote from the article is as follows: >> b> >> 	"Since moving to version 7.3 of OpenVMS, we have seen a 28# >> 	 percent performance increase.". >>  I >> Now, how do you get the 28% applied to the GS upgrade without a lot ofeG >> blind faith, jumping to conclusions, hope-against-hope, and fud?  It I >> specifically says that the 28% reference is to the VMS upgrade, and noe* >> GS160 performance numbers are provided. > C >No sorry the whole article refers to a TurboLaser to GS160 upgradesF >and a 7.3 upgrade, the article also explains that the purpose of thisE >exercise was to improve throughput because the Turbolaser was maxed.o  D You still lie.  Even in the face of such overwhelming evidence.  TheF above was an EXACT QUOTE.  Do you have any idea what the definition ofE exact quote means?  Do you see ANYTHING in that quote that referes to:> the GS160 upgrade?  Can you point to any exact wording in thatF document that supports your point?  This is a put up or shut up point.  ; The article was about an OpenVMS win and reference.  It was > highlighting OpenVMS.  The OS is the main point to most of theF article.  It does mention the GS160, but only in passing.  But it does' say that the customer is happy with it.p   >mB >There is however only one performance number quoted for the whole
 >exercise. >=? >Given the apparent confusion in your mind I would suggest thati> >you either get the reference re-written if you can to explain: >what the benefits of moving from 8400->GS160 was and what# >the benefits were of moving to 7.3h  F Okay, prove your point.  How/where am I confused.  Show me any wordingF in that article - ANYTHING - that uses performance numbers in relationC to the hardware.  C'mon.  If you're so certain it shouldn't be that ' hard to support your line of reasoning.o  A Nobody has to re-write anything.  Is your ego so big now that you_B think you can read the minds of those mentioned in the article and$ understand what they really meant?    B At least I'm only reading what's there, you on the other hand have? some inexplicable need to make up stuff to support your claims.s   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 11:13:42 -0800+ From: Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre)e" Subject: Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC= Message-ID: <a39f53b1.0303271113.6c37ab68@posting.google.com>5  A well... they are two flavors of Pascal. depending on how much DECeC Pascal specific syntax/enhancement you used, it goes from trivia to?
 very hard.  F I do use both DEC Pascal and Delphi. you can email me if you need some hints.   Pierre.h  O "Amo" <andrew.kwok@ds-s.com> wrote in message news:<3e8272cb@cpns1.saic.com>... K > Does anyone know whether it is possible to port Pascal program written innI > VMS Pascal to Delphi or any other PC platform compiler? Or is there anyr, > tool out there that allows you to do that? >  > Thanks > Amo    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:22:34 +0100-" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>" Subject: Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC4 Message-ID: <b5vmii$87p9$2@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>  / "Amo" <andrew.kwok@ds-s.com> schreef in berichtt news:3e8272cb@cpns1.saic.com...2K > Does anyone know whether it is possible to port Pascal program written iniI > VMS Pascal to Delphi or any other PC platform compiler? Or is there any , > tool out there that allows you to do that? >< > Thanks > Amo> >oH Before you start off, check whether the VMS/Pascal source(s) contain the string SMG$2I Converting the Screen ManaGement routines to another platform is (IMHO) a  royal pain.p   Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:21:58 GMTH/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) 3 Subject: Re: Problem with 7.3-1 on AlphaStation 600i- Message-ID: <Mqg03B4qn7bV@cuebid.zko.dec.com>a   user@lngs.infn.it writes:o2 > The installation CD starts but when the startup B > is configuring the devices, it happens a fatal bugcheck on pka0:8 > code =0000019d  INCONSTATE, Inconsistent I/O data base > 2 > PKA0 is  a scsi controller  ISP 1020   ( V 5.57)# > on it there is a RZ28M  ( v.0568)P > and a RRD54 (v. 1645)c  - Please post the output from the first page of=   SDA> clue crashC   --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com=   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:05:09 GMT_6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: Problem with 7.3-1 on AlphaStation 600o5 Message-ID: <FsLga.236030$8L1.2179709@news.chello.at>r  W In article <1729f461.0303270859.6ba0107c@posting.google.com>, user@lngs.infn.it writes:e1 >The installation CD starts but when the startup DA >is configuring the devices, it happens a fatal bugcheck on pka0: 7 >code =0000019d  INCONSTATE, Inconsistent I/O data basei  < Is the boot medium on the SCSI CD-ROM or on the IDE CD-ROM ?  1 >PKA0 is  a scsi controller  ISP 1020   ( V 5.57):" >on it there is a RZ28M  ( v.0568) >and a RRD54 (v. 1645) > 8 >The Alpha firmware version is V 6.2. Any help about it?  . http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/< http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v6.4/alpha600/   -- I Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialistd E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 13:11:40 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t Subject: Re: RamDisk futures3 Message-ID: <QvzyfbVt+EEe@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  q In article <cf15391e.0303261443.324c1390@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:mh > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<TqkdHZQyBq8o@eisner.encompasserve.org>...< >> RamDisk has come a long way.  Back in the bad old days it< >> 	was limited to 512 MBytes.  With recent versions you can> >> 	do 2 Gbytes.  That said, in order to do large RamDisks youA >> 	have to resort to BINDing RamDisks together.  I hate BINDing.e > @ > You might consider using host-based RAID software (Compaq RAIDF > Software for OpenVMS) as a way to combine DECram disks into a RAID 0- > array, instead of using a bound volume set.n   	e: 	That would almost work.  However, I'm not going to use itF 	as a scratch disk, it will be used used in conjunction with shadowing 	in production.g  > 	So I could create host based RAID 0+1.  The problem with that< 	is the maximum slice of a RamDisk is 2 Gig.  The storage is7 	much larger than that and won't match up to shadow it.m  @ 	To keep it simple (and not introducing RAID Software is keeping9 	it simple) I would ideally like to create a RamDisk thato@ 	matches the size of the storage, shadow it and be done with it.  E 	Secondly, some of this storage is sliced up RAID 0+1 on the backend. B 	Even if I could, the last thing I (we) want to do is RAID 0+1 on  	TOP OF RAID 0+1..  = 	Having a max size of 2 Gig for a RamDisk in 2003 is crampin'-  	my style and is sooooooo 1990s.   				Rob0   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 15:23:06 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: SET NOTRUNCATEr= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0303271523.7ffae732@posting.google.com>    Kevin Monceaux <OwnedByDogs@grandecom.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.30.0303271159380.30861-100000@Linux.monceaux.com>...aK > I had some exposure to VMS on a VAX 11/750 in college.  Now thanks to the C > hobbyist program and acquiring a VAXstation 3100 M76 I'm becoming I > reacquainted with an old friend, VMS.  I've been trying out the various J > editors trying to decide which one I liked.  Mostly I've been using LSE.D > Thanks to the editor war thread I've discovered the SET NOTRUNCATEL > function of EDT and I think I'm hooked.  Are there any tutorials availableL > for the various editors?  I definitely believe in using the right tool for    D I am not aware of any tutorials. I give references below for manualsD and introductory chapters. I suppose the introductory references are? more or less tutorials. They should be good to get you started..    G > the job.  LSE seems to be handy when working on source code.  Issue aiK > COMPILE/REVIEW command in LSE and get a split screen with source code and L > an error listing without ever leaving the editor.  There are other files II > work with where EDT's SET NOTRUNCATE is invaluable.  I don't think I'vetH > tried TECO yet.  I intend to explore all the editors available so I'llL > know which tool is best for which job.  This group is a source of valuable > information. >  > 	 > Thanks,P >  > Kevin     < I am of course glad to hear that you like and appreciate SET NOTRUNCATE!     > EDT has its own extensive help. Go to line mode and type HELP.   The full EDT manual is  L     http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/PDF/OVMS_EDT_REF.pdf  D which contains and introductory chapter. But for some things the EDTC Help utility gives more information, e.g., on range specifications,s" than does the this full reference!  = If that address doesn't work, go to the VMS documentaion pageE  /     http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/archived.html    and search for EDT.H  F Both EDT and EVE are documented in an introductory way in the VMS v6.2" version of the VMS User's Manaual.  3 Introductions for EDT and EVE can also be found in u  D     http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6489/6489pro_contents.html    the VMS User's manual for V7.3.   . Others can weigh in on help for other editors.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:35:23 -0600u/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>lO Subject: Slowest ALpha ever (was: Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How?) 3 Message-ID: <3E83C2FB.DD1619DD@applied-synergy.com>e   John Santos wrote: > @ > I ask because I'm interested in getting a "better" card for myE > old, slow, but trusty AlphaStation 200 4/100.  (Is this the sloweste@ > Alpha ever made?)  Actually, I have two of these, more-or-lessE > identical, one running DEC Unix (at work) and one running VMS 7.3-1t > (at home, hobbyist).  B I think that that slowest Alpha would probably be the Multia/UDB. @ Technically, the clock is faster at 166MHz, but the chip is less
 effective.  . A side by side benchmark would be interesting.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------'$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com a   Fax: 817-237-3074:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:28:55 -0400u0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>Y Subject: Re: Slowest ALpha ever (was: Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How?) How?)o/ Message-ID: <3E83C14C.64EE9712@vl.videotron.ca>e   Chris Scheers wrote:D >> I think that that slowest Alpha would probably be the Multia/UDB.B > Technically, the clock is faster at 166MHz, but the chip is less > effective.  I If I put an "Alpha inside" sticker on my all mighty Microvax II, it woulda: probably qualify as the slowest Alpha ever :-) :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:58:46 -0600g1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>N Subject: Re: Suggestion to Sue' Message-ID: <3E83AC56.1A098E8C@fsi.net>m   Sue Skonetski wrote: > G > Well I guess this IS a way to beat the compition. But we prefer to do F > that with elegantly made software.  Obviously you have not ever seenH > Fred.  He is the size of an American football player, but with all his+ > teeth, oops sorry that is ice hockey. ;')a   I see.   Okay, Fred, what's your price?  H We need someone who can, shall we say, "motivate" certain folks at HP to* advertise OpenVMS in the mainstream media.  < If you know a couple of guys (maybe more than two?) who lookG "impressive" in a nice double-breasted dark pin-stripe suit, be sure to  solicit them as well.e   --   David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:08:27 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i Subject: Re: Suggestion to SueH Message-ID: <L0Pga.28304$KlE.23484@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3E83AC56.1A098E8C@fsi.net...  > Sue Skonetski wrote: > >tF > > Well I guess this IS a way to beat the compition. But we prefer to doC > > that with elegantly made software.  Obviously you have not ever  seenF > > Fred.  He is the size of an American football player, but with all hism- > > teeth, oops sorry that is ice hockey. ;')  >a > I see. >C  > Okay, Fred, what's your price? > D > We need someone who can, shall we say, "motivate" certain folks at HP toh, > advertise OpenVMS in the mainstream media. > > > If you know a couple of guys (maybe more than two?) who lookF > "impressive" in a nice double-breasted dark pin-stripe suit, be sure to > solicit them as well.i    C HP should hire Jesse Ventura to market VMS. Most falls until curfewoB and let's see which o/s is still standing when the fat lady sings.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 17:16:15 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert! = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0303271716.41fca64e@posting.google.com>c   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E833635.4060807@nospamn.sun.com>...e > > E > > as you read below, it is not as many "c" and unix garbage libraryvA > > bugs fail to affect vms as those pesky little "accvio" errorse9 > > stop you in your tracks ... remember this one Andrew?i > >  > ? > http://www.process.com/techsupport/tcpware/faqs/snmpcert.html  > ; > However had you bothered to read the CERT advisory itselfi= > you would have discovered that Compaqs IP stack for OpenVMS 6 > was effected by this violation. So your point is ??? > : > So there was no automatic protection because the host OS > platform was OpenVMS.e > : > Solaris wan't effected by POD but OpenVMS was, does this, > mean that Solaris is better than OpenVMS ? > 7 > No, the only thing you can conclude from this is that / > we did a better job in this case than Compaq.  > 9 > There is no OpenVMS magic bullet get used to it, I have66 > provided you with enough examples over the years and7 > to be frank the argument is getting pretty pointless.1 > 	 > Regardso > Andrew Harrisonr  * yes there is ... it is called SECURITY ...   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2003 15:11:32 -0800- From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) ; Subject: Re: Trying something dangerous with cma* libraries = Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0303271511.52f35239@posting.google.com>a  F I was trying to implement this hack but can't seem to get it to work i define logicals like this:  $ $ Deflog  := define/group/super/exec. $ Deflog CMA$TIS_SHR "LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHR.exe"( $ Deflog DECC$SHR "LIS_EXE:DECC$SHR.exe"1 $ Deflog CMA$LIB_SHR_TV "LIS_EXE:CMA$LIB_SHR.exe"o; $ Deflog CMA$OPEN_LIB_SHR_TV "LIS_EXE:CMA$OPEN_LIB_SHR.EXE"y3 $ Deflog CMA$OPEN_RTL_TV "LIS_EXE:CMA$OPEN_RTL".EXEl) $ Deflog CMA$RTL_TV "LIS_EXE:CMA$RTL.EXE"   0 then try and run the exe from the same account :  & [#####$sobserv]$ Z3950_server -p210 -v3 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image CMA$TIS_SHRn -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file3 ADENB$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXEa: -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image- [#####$sobserv]$ sho log/full/all CMA$TIS_SHRk4    "CMA$TIS_SHR" [super] = "LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHR.exe" (LNM$GROUP_000531)    6 I am still missing something in this Hack , any ideas?        { arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> wrote in message news:<NDBBJFNBJJHKADILJHIJKENHLMAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>... K > We tried this during our 7.3-1 from 7.3 upgrade.. with pthread rtls whichaL > included the cma rtls due to a bug in pthreads which is being worked on byM > engineering.. i know its not that huge of a jump..but it worked for us as al > work-around. >  >  >  > -----Original Message-----B > From: VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG]) > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:54 PMw > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come= > Subject: Re: Trying something dangerous with cma* librariese >  > ? > In article <b6bf97d5.0303261709.56576dd3@posting.google.com>,r1 > merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) writes:o > >I have a bit of a problem > >pG > >axp VMS machines running ovms 6.2-1h3 (they need to stay there for aiG > >particular vendors app) another app offers a feature (z39) on 7.1.2./G > >Is it posible for me to copy the cma libs from a 7.1.2 server to thet > >apps directory (z39)s >  > Yes. >  >  > > and then set up.H > >group level logicals to "trick the z39 app into using the 7.1.2 rtls? >  > Yes. >  >  > >ie:' > >$ Deflog  := define/group/nolog/exech+ > >$ deflog CMA$TIS_SHR LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHRo. > >$ deflog CMA$LIB_SHR_TV LIS_EXE:CMA$LIB_SHR8 > >$ DEFLOG CMA$OPEN_LIB_SHR_TV LIS_EXE:CMA$OPEN_LIB_SHR0 > >$ DEFLOG CMA$OPEN_RTL_TV LIS_EXE:CMA$OPEN_RTL& > >$ DEFLOG CMA$RTL_TV LIS_EXE:CMA$RTL% > >$ DEFLOG DECC$SHR LIS_EXE:DECC$SHRe > >eE > >I realize I am trying to incorporate the worst features of a win32c, > >like os to vms but if I can make it work. > K > It probably won't work as intended, so it would function just like win32./   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Mar 2003 19:43 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)E; Subject: Re: Trying something dangerous with cma* librarieso- Message-ID: <27MAR200319433256@gerg.tamu.edu>s  o In article <b6bf97d5.0303271511.52f35239@posting.google.com>, merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) writes...dG }I was trying to implement this hack but can't seem to get it to work i  }define logicals like this:t } % }$ Deflog  := define/group/super/exec   > /SUPER and /EXEC are mutually exclusive options. The former is? for logicals in supervisor mode, the latter for executive mode.y One mode per customer.  / }$ Deflog CMA$TIS_SHR "LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHR.exe"L) }$ Deflog DECC$SHR "LIS_EXE:DECC$SHR.exe"r2 }$ Deflog CMA$LIB_SHR_TV "LIS_EXE:CMA$LIB_SHR.exe"< }$ Deflog CMA$OPEN_LIB_SHR_TV "LIS_EXE:CMA$OPEN_LIB_SHR.EXE"4 }$ Deflog CMA$OPEN_RTL_TV "LIS_EXE:CMA$OPEN_RTL".EXE* }$ Deflog CMA$RTL_TV "LIS_EXE:CMA$RTL.EXE" } 1 }then try and run the exe from the same account :o } ' }[#####$sobserv]$ Z3950_server -p210 -v14 }%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image CMA$TIS_SHR }-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file:4 }ADENB$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXE; }-SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable imaget. }[#####$sobserv]$ sho log/full/all CMA$TIS_SHR5 }   "CMA$TIS_SHR" [super] = "LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHR.exe"d }(LNM$GROUP_000531)  } 7 }I am still missing something in this Hack , any ideas?g  B The /SUPER is apparently overriding the /EXEC since the logical is shown to be "[super]".  B AS the message shows, you are still using the shareable image from3 the system library directory, not your own version.s  G Correct the mode problem (by eliminating the "/super") and it may work.l   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:03:38 GMT ! From: JBloggs@acme..spamless..como; Subject: Re: Trying something dangerous with cma* libraries 8 Message-ID: <eie78v0odgqj1inuqnpqvrldaul73enhak@4ax.com>  F On 27 Mar 2003 15:11:32 -0800, merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) wrote:  G >I was trying to implement this hack but can't seem to get it to work ii >define logicals like this:m > % >$ Deflog  := define/group/super/execr/ >$ Deflog CMA$TIS_SHR "LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHR.exe"u
 ....[snip].../* >$ Deflog CMA$RTL_TV "LIS_EXE:CMA$RTL.EXE" >a2 >then try and run the exe from the same account :>' >[#####$sobserv]$ Z3950_server -p210 -vd4 >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image CMA$TIS_SHR >-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image filel4 >ADENB$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXE; >-SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable imaged. >[#####$sobserv]$ sho log/full/all CMA$TIS_SHR5 >   "CMA$TIS_SHR" [super] = "LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHR.exe"l >(LNM$GROUP_000531)g >t7 >I am still missing something in this Hack , any ideas?n  . specify the exe with an explicit semicolon, to4 get around pulling in the installed version?  e.g.    /   $ Deflog CMA$TIS_SHR LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHR.exe;a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:12:00 GMT 4 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>/ Subject: Updated HP software licensing webpagesm0 Message-ID: <AOJga.999$6T3.857@news.cpqcorp.net>  ? If you are one of those who have questions about HP practices /dF procedures, the below webiste can provide much of the information that* you may require, to answer your questions.  / http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=indexi    3 If you would like more information about PAK's see: - http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=paki  F Many other questions are also answered and I would suggest that if youE have any interest in licensing, mark this page for further reference.s   --  
 Sincerely,	 Mark Buda  Hewlett-Packard Companys VMS Engineering? 110 Spitbrook Road
 MS: ZK3-4/X57v Nashua, NH 03062 Voice: (603) 884-1969h FAX: (603) 884-3451-  + VMS Home Page http://www.openvms.compaq.com > OpenVMS Portal http://www.openvms.compaq.com/portal/index.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:44:08 -0400-0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: VT320 switches to 132 column mode on loginh/ Message-ID: <3E83466C.1B662D29@vl.videotron.ca>0   Kevin Monceaux wrote:rK > drive which I decided to install VMS on from scratch.  When logging in to B > the freshly installed VMS the VT320 switches to 132 column mode.  0 Take a look at the file SYS$MANAGER:SYSLOGIN.COM  . for any command such as SET TERMINAL/something  K Also, take a look at the file LOGIN.COM in your default login directory form similar commands.l  ! Once logged in, do the following:e   $SET TERM/WIDTH=80 $SET VERIFY  $@SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COMa  L This will show you each line being executed and if the screen changed to 132J columns, you will have an idea of where in the SYLOGIN.CON it does it. (if* SYLOGIN doesn't do it, try your login.com)  J Failing this, you can edit SYLOGIN.COm and add the line $SET VERIFY in theK right location to esure it gets executed for interactive , and the login todT see where it causes your screen to switch to 132. (and remove the SET VERIFY after).   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Mar 2003 19:25 CDT=' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o& Subject: Re: What is PRV-F-INSFCREDITH- Message-ID: <27MAR200319251065@gerg.tamu.edu>=  ) tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes..._\ }hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<jonga.893$XK2.297@news.cpqcorp.net>...f }> In article <ea44f5a1.0303241306.16ab1a@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:F }> :PRV-F-INSFCREDITH, insufficeint connection message buffer credits, }> :high priority requestc }> :: }> :What does this message mean, how do I fix the problem? }> iJ }>   Without intending offense, please see the OpenVMS FAQ for details on I }>   how to ask questions -- many questions of only one or two lines are eI }>   surprisingly difficult to answer, as supporting information (productbF }>   versions, commands, provoking factors, etc) tend to be omitted or
 }>   assumed.  } C }I am getting this message while trying to establish a connect to a G }terminal port in a FORTRAN program.  I may have an excessive number ofwD }such connects.  I just added one more port connect to the system of
 }programs. } E }The message is intermittent.  Sometimes the connect works, sometimes  }ite }fails.l }> kF }>   The PRV facility prefix is usually associated with privileges and" }>   privilege-related operations. }>  D }>   I've searched OpenVMS, and no examples of the cited error code G }>   (PRV$_INSFCREDITH) were found -- there are a number of examples ofhD }>   SS$_INSFCREDITH, and it is certainly possible for the messages D }>   associated with one facility to be co-opted by another; to have" }>   the facility prefix replaced. } # }You searched the documentation CD?k  H My guess is that when Hoff says he searched OpenVMS it means he searchedE OpenVMS - he is, after all, one of the programmers working on it witha+ OpenVMS Engineering (as stated in his sig).w  > I'm not one of them so I just searched the various files, like; sys$library:*.r64, that come with VMS. The only mentions ofgC INSFCREDITH that I found were the definitions of SS$_INSFCREDITH ins, a couple of places, much like what he found.  G }>   If I were guessing -- and without the necessary supporting details3F }>   and background information on the problem, I am -- this is eitherH }>   a bogus return status code, or this is a  cluster credit allocation< }>   error, and specifically a lack of hi-prio send credits. } F }We don't have a cluster, unless it is some sort of default "cluster".* }How do you increase hi-prio send credits? } : }I am not sure what privilege needs to be revised, if any.  G Since terminal ports don't have much to do with privilege (particularly=E when it usually works), and you are not in a cluster, my first choice G would be that it is a bogus code. It may be some quasi-random data that0E happens to be in the variable you are checking at the time. Make sureOH you are initializing properly and not reusing variables inappropriately.F Also check how you are passing the data. The numeric value of a statusJ code for %PRV-F-INSFCREDITH is 665004 (A25AC in hex - 25AC is the code forH the "F-INSFCREDITH" part, with the "A" bits before it being the facilityG code for PRV) - it is possible that this is the address of the variable D instead of the value, so instead of reporting the status it could be= reporting the address of the status as if it were the status.t  E If we were to assume that the error code isn't completely bogus, theneE I'd suggest you look through the code to find out where it can be settH and see what kind of operation it could be talking about. If it could beG a privilege realated thing, then at some point you might be turning offoF all privileges and never turning the right ones back on before you tryG to make the connection in some instances. What privs you need depend onuD exactly what you are doing (local serial port or terminal server andG make a difference, for example), you will probably need at least TMPMBX>F and possibly NETMBX. In some cases you may need others, I have a pieceE of software that talks to a terminal server port and needs LOG_IO fora6 example. It all depends on exactly what you are doing.  I I will point out that this error code seems to be a poor choice of things>G to return. It probably isn't being returned by anything that is part ofsH VMS, but rather I would first guess that it is being generated somewhereI in your own code and that it doesn't really mean what the SS$_INSFCREDITH / code normally indicates even if it isn't bogus.t  Q }>  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- M }>       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comHQ }>  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------aH }>         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:51:31 -0500c( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>Q Subject: Re: [Q] Files not found during image backup, w/ and w/o directory-specs.e* Message-ID: <3E838073.70203@tsoft-inc.com>   Alan E. Feldman wrote:   > Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<4ab1bcd84b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>... > ( >>In message <3E7FD2E4.6D0C2CCE@fsi.net>> >>          "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >> >> >>>Carlos wrote: >>>hK >>>>I had the exact same errors using BACKUP/IMAGE in VMS 7.1-2. In my casemI >>>>I was doing a BACKUP/IMAGE from one disk drive to another in order toeJ >>>>defragment the disk. Both drives were not mounted system wide, I did aH >>>>purge/keep=1, then an ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on the source drive, then the >>>>BACKUP/IMAGE.s >>>>C >>>>I got the same error of NOSUCHFILE, with the empty [] directorybH >>>>indication. Absolutely there was no activity on the drive except for >>>>the BACKUP.r >>>>H >>>>Being a GOLD Support client, I escalated this to HP, showing them myJ >>>>DCL code and the error log. Basically, the guy I talked to was stumpedH >>>>and his only suggestion was to do explicit ALLOCATE before doing theE >>>>BACKUP/IMAGE. Doubtfully I did do that but with the same results.e >>>>J >>>What you're likely seeing is the result of "orphaned" directory entriesG >>>as well as "lost" files (files with no directory entry or an invalidt >>>directory backlink).c >>>c >>>.K >>The output of ANALYZE/DISK/NOREPAIR would be interesting. I would tend tooQ >>suggest regular use of ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR - we used to run it over the weekendaQ >>when the exclusive lock on the disk for several minutes didn't cause a problem.> >> >>Alan >> >  > D > Well, if you're also referring to my problem, here is such output: >  > $ anal/disk syssC > Analyze/Disk_Structure for _xxxxxx$DKA100: started on 27-MAR-2003r
 > 15:48:12.69> >  m0 > %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file >  > E > I believe my "problem" was caused by the file deletion happening atuG > the same time that BACKUP was processing that file. I understand that D > file deletion is somewhat complicated but I don't understand it inF > detail. BACKUP probably had the file in its copy of the index at theE > time and couldn't access during the directory walk phase because itnG > was in the process of being deleted at that time. But I am puzzled aspB > to why one file shows up twice and why did it lose the directoryE > information for said file. Is there a reference that expalains fileo: > deletion in enough detail to be able to figure this out? > 	 > Thanks.U >  > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldmang >     K While you'd think that it shouldn't be necessary, prior to doing any image oI backups, a DISMOUNT followed by a MOUNT should insure that all directory  % information has been written to disk.i     Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.171 ************************