1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 28 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 172       Contents: 7.3-1 and EXBYTLIM3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS) @ Anonymous FTP Time out, and managing the TCPIP$FTP_ANONYMOUS.LOG' Re: Another day without VMS advertising  Re: Conference On Clustering Re: Conference On Clustering Re: Conference On Clustering Re: Conference On Clustering Re: Conference On Clustering Re: Conference On Clustering Re: Conference On Clustering Re: Conference On Clustering- Re: Current LRDRIVER.C source?  (X-3 v. X-10) ; Re: Formatting time for SMTP mail messages and HTTP headers  Getting an Alphastation  Re: Getting an Alphastation  Re: Getting an Alphastation  Re: Getting an Alphastation  Re: Getting an Alphastation  Re: High RMS file activity# HP will make Unix servers in Brazil # Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!  Re: Just letting you know  Re: Just letting you know  Re: Just letting you know , Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How? Re: Logical names in decwindows C OpenVMS v7.3-1 and Advanced Server v7.3A - Pathworks server crashes : Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?: RE: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?P Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retai Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC * Re: Problem with 7.3-1 on AlphaStation 600 Re: SET NOTRUNCATE Re: Suggestion to Sue & Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!& Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!& Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!& Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!& Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!& Re: TCP/IP 5.1 and SMTP authentication& Re: TCP/IP 5.1 and SMTP authentication+ Three questions re: the VMS startup process / Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process / Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process / Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process / Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process / Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process / Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process 2 Re: Trying something dangerous with cma* libraries. Re: VT320 switches to 132 column mode on login. Re: VT320 switches to 132 column mode on login Re: What is PRV-F-INSFCREDITH   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:36:18 +0000 F From: Paul Webster <paul.webster@spidersweb.freeserve.spammenot.co.uk> Subject: 7.3-1 and EXBYTLIM 8 Message-ID: <uv498vsbndvgbrhofjtf77nuielbp2fn7k@4ax.com>  E I have an application (but no source code) that works on VMS 7.1 (and $ I think 7.2) but is failing on 7.3-1  ; The failure is %SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM, exceeded byte count quota   C The account that it is running on is configured in same way on each E system - but I tried pushing up the BYTLM anway - with no difference.   C I know that the code does a delete/create of a process logical name F table and then stores some values in that table - and I also know that? the $CRELNT is being called with a Quota (size) of 0 (hopefully E meaning unlimited) ... is there a chance that this no longer works in  7.3-1   F I can see that the Help text for $CRELNT has changed between 6 and 7 -@ could this mean that something that it is doing no longer works?  = Clearly the problem could be something totally different, but E comparing some of the tracing output that the application makes leads A me to think that it is somewhere around there that it is failing.  --   Rgds Paul Webster   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:42:27 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) < Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)+ Message-ID: <b61cf3$fd4$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   h In article <d7791aa1.0303271727.2adc3b4a@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:_ >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) wrote in message news:<b5s4uo$qu0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>... k >> In article <d7791aa1.0303251657.57a49790@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  >> >Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<3E8087FE.6030101@nospamn.sun.com>...  >> >> Keith Parris wrote: h >> >> > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3E7FD21F.68CEAD0A@fsi.net>... >> >> > F >> >are you kidding me?  IBM sells garbage just like you do at sun ...D >> >IBM has no solution that even comes close to OpenVMS clustering, >> >security, and uptime ...   >>  C >> Not quite true. If you pay enough then IBM has good solutions eg / >> Syplex clustering for its mainframe systems.  >>  
 >> David Webb  >> VMS and Unix team leader  >> CCSS  >> Middlesex University  > 5 >sorry, it is true, VMS is still the gold standard in 6 >clustering, even gartner can't lie about that ... and1 >NOONE comes close, and because VMS was built for 5 >clustering, even a former dec vms cluster expert who 4 >now is trying to design clustering for linux agreed1 >that noone can match vms feature for feature ...   N I'm as much a VMS bigot as anyone. VMS clustering is the GOLD standard howeverN historically Syplex has been seen as a close second for those who could affordE it and weren't worried by the limited types of systems which could be M clustered. For a good overview of clustering technologies see Greg Pfister's   "In search of Clusters"   J Secondly VMS was NOT built for clustering. Clustering didn't appear until O VMS 4.0 in the 1983/1984 timeframe. VMS had existed without clustering for some J 6/7 years prior to this. The DEC engineers did an excellent job since evenJ those very first clusters were far superior to many "clustering" solutions available today.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 04:28:29 -08006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)I Subject: Anonymous FTP Time out, and managing the TCPIP$FTP_ANONYMOUS.LOG = Message-ID: <58ba0101.0303280428.287bde2d@posting.google.com>    HI,   @ I am using TCP/IP service for OpenVMS v5.1. We use anonymous ftp extensively.  9 On the servier the log file TCPIP$FTP_ANONYMOUS.LOG grows  exceptionally large.F We cannot delete it, or rename it as it is always locked by one of the3 FTP server processes. These do not seem to timeout.   B We do not want to effect this by having to shutdown the FTP serverB service, and then delete the log file, then restart the FTP server process.   Any suggestions ?    Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:02:56 +0000 (UTC) + From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb) 0 Subject: Re: Another day without VMS advertising+ Message-ID: <b61a4v$f5f$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   g In article <3E831DF2.922A43FD@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  >  >  >John Smith wrote: > E >> I keep waking up from nightmares at night, bathed in a cold sweat, I >> saying over and over "I don't believe in Erich von Daniken's theories. B >> I don't believe in alien crop circles. I don't believe in alienG >> abduction. I don't believe in Roswell aliens. I don't believe George G >> Bush. But I do believe that HP is trying to kill VMS in the market."  > D >I was chatting yesterday to an agent trying to market Oracle skillsG >locally. He had not heard of VMS. Oracle runs on VMS. Sort of backs up  >your last sentence. >  >   D Trouble is that although the Oracle database runs on VMS most Oracle applications don't. M DEC/COMPAQ made the disasterous decision that VMS should only be used for the N backend database in the new client/server world. Oracle and most of the other F Oracle application developers took them at their word and dropped the N applications support for VMS. Trouble is if you are buying an application you N buy the systems that application runs on. Most people don't then buy a backendI server running on a different OS. Even more importantly your application  I salesmen never hear about the idea of running the application with a VMS  > backend and hence never mention the possibility to customers.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:39:06 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>% Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering ) Message-ID: <3E84264A.73AB6294@127.0.0.1>    Ken Robinson wrote:  > G > I wonder if HP will be sending any VMS people there to talk about VMS 
 > Clustering?   ? I've succumbed to pressure, and my HP-CUO session being held in D Warrington on 13th May will be largely based and providing technicalE information for OpenVMS clustering, but will, in order to satisfy the G trade descriptions act, and to get a wider non-VMS audience to hear how F it's really done, be talking about some other clustering technologies.  E Now's the time to influence what you'd like in it, I have most of the B technical information I need, I'm currently ordering contents, andF determining the level of depth for what I'm going to cover. (This may,G depending on the success or otherwise be a prelude to more in depth and 9 specific sessions). E.g. a question raised here about why G "expected_votes" can prevent the admission of a new member to a cluster G will be covered, other voting and quorum intricacies, interconnects and 1 characteristics, why IP would be no good for SCS.   E Warrington is just over 2 hours by train from London, and 3 and a bit B from Glasgow /Edinburgh. It is also on a main arterial interchange@ between the M6, M62/M60 and M56, so allowing for local rush hour+ slowdowns, is also very accessible by road.    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 05:20:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) % Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering 3 Message-ID: <OKvPaUh10Tle@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3E84264A.73AB6294@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  A > I've succumbed to pressure, and my HP-CUO session being held in F > Warrington on 13th May will be largely based and providing technicalG > information for OpenVMS clustering, but will, in order to satisfy the I > trade descriptions act, and to get a wider non-VMS audience to hear how H > it's really done, be talking about some other clustering technologies.  B What is the "trade descriptions act" and why would it apply to you0 if what you are describing is not your product ?    @ (I ask this question despite the fact that the approach you have1  outlined should be superior in many other ways.)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:36:31 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")% Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering 6 Message-ID: <00A1D863.AFF4B662@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  c In article <OKvPaUh10Tle@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: U >In article <3E84264A.73AB6294@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:  > B >> I've succumbed to pressure, and my HP-CUO session being held inG >> Warrington on 13th May will be largely based and providing technical H >> information for OpenVMS clustering, but will, in order to satisfy theJ >> trade descriptions act, and to get a wider non-VMS audience to hear howI >> it's really done, be talking about some other clustering technologies.  > C >What is the "trade descriptions act" and why would it apply to you 1 >if what you are describing is not your product ?  >   L Think "truth in advertising" laws.  What Nic has advertisesis his own HP-CUOL session, and in order to get people who don't already know about VMS to comeL listen, he's plugged it as being about clustering in general, so he feels he6 needs to discuss some non-VMS clustering technologies.   -- Alan     O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:44:21 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>% Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering , Message-ID: <b61cil$11le@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:OKvPaUh10Tle@eisner.encompasserve.org...   D > What is the "trade descriptions act" and why would it apply to you2 > if what you are describing is not your product ?  F I don't think that remark was to be taken entirely seriously. However,E if you advertised a seminar on clustering, and talked about something 5 completely different it would technically be illegal.    One clause reads:   I "it shall be an offence for any person in the course of trade or business /  to recklessly make a statement which is false"   C A good example would be knowingly selling food as kosher, halal, or  vegetarian when it isn't.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 06:33:25 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) % Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering 3 Message-ID: <Pq2jvskfa$wS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <b61cil$11le@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  > < > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:OKvPaUh10Tle@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > E >> What is the "trade descriptions act" and why would it apply to you 3 >> if what you are describing is not your product ?  > H > I don't think that remark was to be taken entirely seriously. However,G > if you advertised a seminar on clustering, and talked about something 7 > completely different it would technically be illegal.   ? I was under the impression there was a general conference about D clustering, and thus having one session therein about VMS Clustering< would be quite appropriate and not at all false advertising.  - I do agree that Nic's content plan is better.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:59:12 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering I Message-ID: <QyYga.43563$s421.28018@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   ' ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" 1 <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote in message 0 news:00A1D863.AFF4B662@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...5 > In article <OKvPaUh10Tle@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: 6 > >In article <3E84264A.73AB6294@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews  <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > > D > >> I've succumbed to pressure, and my HP-CUO session being held in? > >> Warrington on 13th May will be largely based and providing 	 technical F > >> information for OpenVMS clustering, but will, in order to satisfy the C > >> trade descriptions act, and to get a wider non-VMS audience to  hear how= > >> it's really done, be talking about some other clustering 
 technologies.  > > E > >What is the "trade descriptions act" and why would it apply to you 3 > >if what you are describing is not your product ?  > >  > C > Think "truth in advertising" laws.  What Nic has advertisesis his 
 own HP-CUOF > session, and in order to get people who don't already know about VMS to come E > listen, he's plugged it as being about clustering in general, so he  feels he8 > needs to discuss some non-VMS clustering technologies.    : "Hello and welcome to our technical session on clustering.  D Without wanting to take up your valuable time on preamble, let's get started right away.   : Here is a rundown of what is available in the marketplace:1 a) IBM mainframe clusters work but are expensive. C b) All unix, linux, and Microsoft clusters don't work as advertised - and aren't worth the money, time, and effort. C c) Clusters that define the industry standard (tm) are VMS clusters C and we'll be spending the rest of this technical session discussing  them."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:51:27 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>% Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering ) Message-ID: <3E84616F.AFDF0901@127.0.0.1>    John Smith wrote:  >  > < > "Hello and welcome to our technical session on clustering. > F > Without wanting to take up your valuable time on preamble, let's get > started right away.  > < > Here is a rundown of what is available in the marketplace:3 > a) IBM mainframe clusters work but are expensive. E > b) All unix, linux, and Microsoft clusters don't work as advertised / > and aren't worth the money, time, and effort. E > c) Clusters that define the industry standard (tm) are VMS clusters E > and we'll be spending the rest of this technical session discussing  > them."  G In reality I'm probably going to be slightly more tactful, in order not E to be accused of being a XYZ product basher, I'll say what it can and ? can't do, and allow the listener to draw their own conclusions.   D Apart from that you're more or less right! I'll be talking about theF other technologies as we go, and I fully expect I'll get people askingF "why on earth does VMS go to all that trouble" sort of questions, thenG the differences become even more marked. So it is a dual session that I C intend folks will _learn_ why VMS works the way it does, and how it G compares to the way other so-called clustering. When they go home, they F can look at their own VMS configurations in a new light, and when someA new proposal comes along, they'll understand where the holes lie.   G It should also be reasonably entertaining, but I'll keep that quiet for C now. I'm not Peter Kay, but I'm not serious all the time either :-)  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:52:52 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>% Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering ) Message-ID: <3E846FD4.FFAAEB02@127.0.0.1>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > [ > In article <b61cil$11le@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  > > > > > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message1 > > news:OKvPaUh10Tle@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > > G > >> What is the "trade descriptions act" and why would it apply to you 5 > >> if what you are describing is not your product ?  > > J > > I don't think that remark was to be taken entirely seriously. However,I > > if you advertised a seminar on clustering, and talked about something 9 > > completely different it would technically be illegal.  > A > I was under the impression there was a general conference about F > clustering, and thus having one session therein about VMS Clustering> > would be quite appropriate and not at all false advertising. > / > I do agree that Nic's content plan is better.   H The reason I mention it, sort of light hearted yes, but when putting theH flyer together, I ran the draft past the CUO board who advised me that IF needed to be careful writing about what I intended presenting. This is1 based on the sections of the session description.   F Quite validly, anyone trying to do clustering will learn, even if theyF do not have VMS clusters, but I expect they'll leave weeping when theyH see how the other "half" lives. Even seasoned cluster managers will find> out something of the internals based on Roy G Davis' wonderful> publication and the numerous technical updates and information% available, some by people right here.   B It is based on an internal cluster course I give for our employeesH pulling the documentation into the real world as manuals cross referenceG each other, the internals documentation filling in reasoning behind the 3 rules, and another technologies comparison session.    Enough shameless plugging... --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:28:10 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) 6 Subject: Re: Current LRDRIVER.C source?  (X-3 v. X-10)- Message-ID: <+cIcxb9NYLU0@cuebid.zko.dec.com>    sms@antinode.org writes: > G >    I would be grateful if, without resorting to suggestions like "buy G > the source listings", anyone can supply a (free) way to get a copy of  > the current source files.  >  >    What's true on V7.3-1?   H X-10 is the current version of the driver.  I'll see what I can do aboutG updating the copy in sys$examples, and distributing the current version  now, in some way.    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:31:11 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>D Subject: Re: Formatting time for SMTP mail messages and HTTP headers4 Message-ID: <b61tci$v0r6$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>   ted crane wrote:0 > Looking for a quick and easy way to format the+ > current time for use in SMTP mail headers  > and HTTP headers.  >  > For example: > # >   Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:21:38 -0500 ! >   Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:21:38 EST ) >   Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:24:12 -0800 (PST) ! >   Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:46:27 GMT  >  > Here's what I know:  > 3 > DCL f$time() and f$cvtime() don't appear to offer 5 > any output choices other than the usual VMS format. 9 > They don't obey the LIB$DT_FORMAT logical name, perhaps 4 > because they use $ASCTIM instead of LIB$FORMAT.... >...  G This will give you your 4th example, (or at least, pretty close, if you D want to change the case of the month then you can hack that togetherF but I never bothered. (watch line wraps, every line starts with a "$")   $ ty unix_time_display.com $!J $ TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL = F$INTEGER(F$TRNLNM("SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL")) $!5 $ HOURS = F$INTEGER(TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL / 60 /  60) E $ MINUTES = F$INTEGER((TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL - HOURS * 60 * 60) / 60)  $ SIGN = "-" $!% $ IF HOURS .LT. 0 .OR. MINUTES .LT. 0 	 $    THEN  $         HOURS = HOURS * -1  $         MINUTES = MINUTES * -1 $         SIGN = "+"
 $    ENDIF $!A $ CURRENTTIME = F$CVTIME("''SIGN'''HOURS':''MINUTES'","ABSOLUTE")  $!3 $ DAYOFWEEK = "''F$CVTIME(CURRENTTIME,,"WEEKDAY")'" 6 $ DAYOFMONTH = F$INTEGER(F$CVTIME(CURRENTTIME,,"DAY"))7 $ MONTH = "''F$CVTIME(CURRENTTIME,"ABSOLUTE","MONTH")'" 1 $ YEAR =F$INTEGER( F$CVTIME(CURRENTTIME,,"YEAR")) + $ TIME = "''F$CVTIME(CURRENTTIME,,"TIME")'"  $!) $ FAOSTRING = "!3AS, !UL !AS !UL !AS GMT" M $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$FAO(FAOSTRING,DAYOFWEEK,DAYOFMONTH,MONTH,YEAR,TIME)'"    -- Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc. ) Serving Southern Ontario/Western New York    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 08:06:02 -0800+ From: mark.round7@ntlworld.com (Mark Round)   Subject: Getting an Alphastation= Message-ID: <28602a55.0303280806.2a10b6b3@posting.google.com>    Hi All (again!)   L While I wait for a DECUS number, I've started thinking about getting hold ofK a "proper" AlphaStation to learn OpenVMS on (SimH may be all well and good, H but you can't beat the "real thing"). Whilst money is quite tight at theH moment (aaah, the joys of a mortgage!) I can raise some funds by sellingA some of my Sun kit on eBay. With this in mind, I'm looking for an " Alphastation for around 250-300.  J I have found one supplier I have had good Unix dealings with in the past -K 13w3.com, and they seem to offer the sort of thing I'm after in the form of 6 the AlphaStation 255/233Mhz. Specs are on this page :-   http://www.13w3.com/dec/  E I know next to nothing about Alpha gear, my experiences with "exotic" G hardware being limited to Sparc-based systems. I'd plan on fitting more L memory (256Mb in total) - but could anyone recommend this machine, or adviseK me to stear well clear ? I note that OpenVMS is supported on it. Would this G be an OK beginners machine, or should I save my money for a better spec  system ?  5 Thanks again for any advice you may be able to offer!    -Mark    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:23:57 GMT 7 From: brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) $ Subject: Re: Getting an Alphastation/ Message-ID: <xG_ga.263561$S_4.169561@rwcrnsc53>   k In article <28602a55.0303280806.2a10b6b3@posting.google.com>, mark.round7@ntlworld.com (Mark Round) writes:  <snip>K >I have found one supplier I have had good Unix dealings with in the past - L >13w3.com, and they seem to offer the sort of thing I'm after in the form of7 >the AlphaStation 255/233Mhz. Specs are on this page :-  >  >http://www.13w3.com/dec/  > F >I know next to nothing about Alpha gear, my experiences with "exotic"H >hardware being limited to Sparc-based systems. I'd plan on fitting moreM >memory (256Mb in total) - but could anyone recommend this machine, or advise L >me to stear well clear ? I note that OpenVMS is supported on it. Would thisH >be an OK beginners machine, or should I save my money for a better spec	 >system ?   N "It depends" on what you plan to do with this machine.  Any use up to Java andM Web browsing with Mozilla would be OK with this machine; any "serious" use of M Java and Mozilla is more tolerable with 512Mb and above, on a faster machine.   K The PWS500 pictured on the same page may fit the bill for more "heavy-duty" N work, assuming it has the "correct" SCSI adapter installed.  You may also wantM to check out the offerings at www.hpaq.net (formerly known as islandco).  Mr. O Turner is a "square dealer"; I use a PWS433au purchased from his company, and I  am a satisfied customer.   > 6 >Thanks again for any advice you may be able to offer! >  >-Mark  A _________________________________________________________________ 0 Bradford J. Hamilton			"All opinions are my own"/ bMradAhamiPltSon@atMtAbi.cPoSm		"Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:31:37 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> $ Subject: Re: Getting an Alphastation; Message-ID: <01KU2DJ82RLK9H3B5Q@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   F > While I wait for a DECUS number, I've started thinking about gettingF > hold of a "proper" AlphaStation to learn OpenVMS on (SimH may be allF > well and good, but you can't beat the "real thing"). Whilst money isG > quite tight at the moment (aaah, the joys of a mortgage!) I can raise J > some funds by selling some of my Sun kit on eBay. With this in mind, I'= m : > looking for an Alphastation for around =A3250-=A3300.=20 >=20J > I have found one supplier I have had good Unix dealings with in the pas= t G > - 13w3.com, and they seem to offer the sort of thing I'm after in the C > form of the AlphaStation 255/233Mhz. Specs are on this page :-=20  >=20 > http://www.13w3.com/dec/=20  >=20G > I know next to nothing about Alpha gear, my experiences with "exotic" I > hardware being limited to Sparc-based systems. I'd plan on fitting more G > memory (256Mb in total) - but could anyone recommend this machine, or I > advise me to stear well clear ? I note that OpenVMS is supported on it. H > Would this be an OK beginners machine, or should I save my money for a > better spec system ?=20  >=20: > Thanks again for any advice you may be able to offer!=20  H At home, I have 2 ALPHAs and 9 VAXen.  I got 8 (7 VAXen and 1 ALPHA) forF free (so it IS worth looking for free or cheap gear) and bought 3, twoC used for a reasonable price (2 of the VAXen) and one new from a DEC = (yes, it was DEC then) reseller---an ALPHAstation 255/233.=20   J I have had this machine in constant use for 6 years now.  When I bought=20J it, it was the fastest workstation on the planet, or close to it.  Now,=20J it is quite old.  However, remember that a computer is never worse than=20I when you bought it, so the things this machine was good for then---and=20 $ there are many---it is good for now.  J I am extremely happy with this machine.  I STILL have just 64 MB in it,=20K but am running 7.2-1 with no problems.  The only problem I have ever had=20 K is that an internal disk gave out after several years.  I now have a lot=20 I of external disks on the SCSI bus.  Though I now have a cluster, it is=20  still my "main machine".  2 This is more than enough for a beginner's machine.  I You might want to think about even more memory, though, if you want to=20 F run Mozilla (or CSWB, which is based on Mozilla), which is the only=20K modern graphical web browser available for VMS, as far as I know.  On my=20 J under-the-desk machine at work I have 256, and that is just enough with=20H Mozilla---and I don't do anything else except have several DECterms openH (though admittedly that takes up some memory, especially since I save=20 9999 lines in each).  I For the system disk, you definitely want a 4 GB disk.  This is enough,=20 G even with lots of extra goodies (compilers etc) installed.  (I don't=20 F like the idea of having disks which are much larger and thus mostly=20H empty, nor the idea of having stuff on a disk which shouldn't be there.)D I now have 9 GB for the user disk and a 1-GB disk for third-party=20J software.  I strongly recommend separating things in this way (software=20G from DEC/Compaq/HP, software from other places, your own stuff---and=20 J perhaps also a scratch disk and maybe a separate disk for page and swap=20 files).   C Once you've got everything up and running, I would really recommend D volume shadowing.  Even if you do backups once a day, you can lose aF day's work if a disk crashes.  If you shadow the system disk, the userF disk and the software disk, that would be 6 disks, and the internal CDE ROM will bring you up to the full number of SCSI devices.  (My system E has two internal hard disks in addition to the CD-ROM.  Note that the B diskette drive is NOT a SCSI device.)  In the longer term, build aB cluster and mount the members of each shadow set on separate nodes (except for the system disk).   5 For disks, the BA350, BA353 and BA356 boxes are nice.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:44:37 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> $ Subject: Re: Getting an Alphastation8 Message-ID: <geu88vkrt75k2ln5ul83c25o5p2ksocvrs@4ax.com>  I On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:23:57 GMT, brad@.homeportal.2wire.net (Bradford J.  Hamilton) wrote:  L >The PWS500 pictured on the same page may fit the bill for more "heavy-duty"O >work, assuming it has the "correct" SCSI adapter installed.  You may also want   H It does say on the web page that Tru64 Unix 5.0 is installed so the SCSIJ adapator should be the Qlogic KZPBA. Chances are that the graphics card isL supported on OpenVMS too as long as it's not a mega-high end one that is too rich for VMS:-)   M An EV56 based system like the one advertised with at least 256GB of memory is N really the minimum for any modern system that you are using as a workstation &M want to run Mozilla & any Java applications e.g. NetBeans. These systems take D standard PC ECC SDRAM DIMMs (check exactly what at www.crucial.com).  L These are nice little machines in standard PC form factor although the buildO quality is the usual Digital over engineering i.e superb quality & built like a 2 tank. I run 600MHz version as my home VMS machine.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:38:46 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>$ Subject: Re: Getting an Alphastation5 Message-ID: <b624rv$10rlp$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   : "Mark Round" <mark.round7@ntlworld.com> schreef in bericht7 news:28602a55.0303280806.2a10b6b3@posting.google.com...  > Hi All (again!)  > K > While I wait for a DECUS number, I've started thinking about getting hold  ofG > a "proper" AlphaStation to learn OpenVMS on (SimH may be all well and  good, J > but you can't beat the "real thing"). Whilst money is quite tight at theJ > moment (aaah, the joys of a mortgage!) I can raise some funds by sellingC > some of my Sun kit on eBay. With this in mind, I'm looking for an $ > Alphastation for around 250-300. > L > I have found one supplier I have had good Unix dealings with in the past -J > 13w3.com, and they seem to offer the sort of thing I'm after in the form of8 > the AlphaStation 255/233Mhz. Specs are on this page :- >  > http://www.13w3.com/dec/ > G > I know next to nothing about Alpha gear, my experiences with "exotic" I > hardware being limited to Sparc-based systems. I'd plan on fitting more:G > memory (256Mb in total) - but could anyone recommend this machine, or  adviseH > me to stear well clear ? I note that OpenVMS is supported on it. Would thisI > be an OK beginners machine, or should I save my money for a better spece
 > system ? >r7 > Thanks again for any advice you may be able to offer!f >n > -Marks   Mark  G why spend money if you can find ways to avoid it (I'm working on my taxO forms so in a graady mood :-).J DEC sold white box alpha's, they supported WNT only. These systems becauseK worthless on the secondhand market as soon as AXP/NT was cancelled. There'seK no supported version of W2k for AXP either. Systems like the Digital ServertE 3000 and the Alpha powered Digital Server 5300's may be had for free. F Example, my 5305 with 512 MB and 5 disks (a mix of 4 and 9 GB drives),K combined ethernet and SCSI controller was 250 euro, that's 170 sterling forGL you. I picked up the system myself, no idea how expensive shipping would be.K The console firmware needs a minor tweak: add two lines in an empty consolee file and you're ready to roll.I The 5305 is an EV56 machine and runs at either 400MHz or 533MHz. It is inyF fact an AlphaServer 1200. The 1200 was a 4100 cut in half: i.e. a very powerful machine.DK It takes fairly cheap memory (9 euro's for a 32 MB stack) and van also take.
 a second cpu.i Shop around!  
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:48:40 GMT3& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net># Subject: Re: High RMS file activityn8 Message-ID: <v7o88vkmlo2fn3rphbi9qmprd0d9g9f5fq@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:48:02 GMT, rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote:  C >On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:20:22 -0700, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>5 >wrote:T >uG >>Monitoring disk i/o and queue lengths will show which disks have high I >>activity.  Is there a utility available to spotlight the volatile files  >>on a disk? >>G >It doesn't  do what you require, but Enterprise Capacity Planner (ECP)r> >available off the HP web site may provide you with a bit more >performance related info.@ >Alas, the version that Cpmpaq  got rid of used to do a hot fileD >analysis (I think CA now own it). The freebee doesn't offer as much >functionality.d. >You can produce some pretty graphs though ;-) >>-- >n  @ No, CA does not own ECP.  The full product is now available from> PerfCap (see perfcap.com).  This will provide most all of your& performance management graphing needs.  D The performance management part is PAWZ, and the capacity planner is: eCAP.  It allows you to take the collected data and createC mathematical models of the configuration.  You can play around with7? the workload and the configuration within the models to see how%$ changes may affect your environment.   These are multi-platform tools.n   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 04:08:45 -0800 (PST)Y. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>, Subject: HP will make Unix servers in Brazil@ Message-ID: <20030328120845.57047.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>   Today I received good news ! b  B HP will begin to make two models of HP PA-RISC servers in Brazil -1 the midrange/lowrange models rp7x10 and rp7x05 !  B May be in the near future the brazilian factory will begin to make HP Itanium servers :-)   Ragardss     FC t   =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?F Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com0   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Mar 2003 07:30:09 GMT/ From: "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> , Subject: Re: I Have Seen The IA64 Future !!!5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-LzWbsRTbM4cz@localhost>l  F On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:09:09 UTC, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:  E >   Put another way, the infinity of ways you can scrozzle your disks G >   through supported means is large.  The infinity of ways to scrozzlesH >   your disks through unsupported or unrecommended or unwise activities >   is a yet larger infinity.n     scrozzle :-) ??s  eJ >   And again, the Windows "harmless signature" stuff is very likely goingJ >   to be a complete non-issue with Microsoft Windows and HP OpenVMS on anG >   Itanium system; OpenVMS has the signature, so Windows should not begG >   inclined to offer the system manager the option to clobber parts ofe >   the OpenVMS disks.  6 Hm!? Time for Microsoft to change their signature :-)   D All this assumes that someone is going to multi/dual-boot Win64 IPF E and VMS/IPF, of course. (OK there's Linux but that doesn't insist on i2 writing the 'harmless signature' - thank the lord.   -- r Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:01:10 GMTb0 From: rwvorpalbunny@eircom.net (Russell Wallace)" Subject: Re: Just letting you know0 Message-ID: <3e840091.922505585@news.eircom.net>  / On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 04:12:35 GMT, Tim Llewellyno' <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:    >Sue Skonetski wrote:o >> aI >> I will continue to post as much information as I can on the newsgroup, I >> but please try to avoid responding with "but if we advertised/marketediH >> VMS" its really de-motivating that no matter the post there is always- >> the same complaint.  Even when its a joke.i >rQ >Being on the dole because there are no new VMS projects and one's skills are notrH >considered transferable is even more demotivating, thank you very much.  C I'm sure it is, but that's not Sue's fault. She's just trying to benF helpful here, complaints should be addressed to the people responsible for the problems you're having.l   --   "Sore wa himitsu desu."i To reply by email, removee killer rodent from address.i! http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:39:17 GMTo4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>" Subject: Re: Just letting you know0 Message-ID: <3E844EF7.F612CC2F@blueyonder.co.uk>   Russell Wallace wrote:   E > I'm sure it is, but that's not Sue's fault. She's just trying to besH > helpful here, complaints should be addressed to the people responsible! > for the problems you're having.i >   D Been there, done that, didn't help, and a lot of my time was wasted.     -- n tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 16:07:17 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>" Subject: Re: Just letting you know5 Message-ID: <20030328160717.1162.qmail@gacracker.org>a  B On 27 Mar 2003, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote:  C >2.  I am not going to respond to why don't we advertise/market VMSl- >questions, you all know my feelings on this.l  F My apologies if any comments I have made have contributed to you beingG upset. I count myself amongst the people who appreciate what you do. MydK criticism was aimed at the owners of VMS, not those within the organisationi that look after it.      Doc. --  : Time and money, the psychotropics of the business world...K ~ VAXman                                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netM   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:31:29 +0000 (UTC)a, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)5 Subject: Re: LCD panel, 500au, ELSA Gloria Card, How?e. Message-ID: <b61td1$37d$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  y hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes in article <Gxpga.917$2U2.783@news.cpqcorp.net> dated Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:08:38 GMT:u` >In article <3E81CAB7.56FCE528@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:& >:The 500au has an ELSA Gloria card... >rJ >  The PowerStorm 4D10T is a low-end card -- and very slow, in my personalG >  experience.  I personally prefer systems with the PowerStorm 3D30 ortJ >  PowerStorm 4D20, or one of the more recent (faster) PCI graphics cards.  L My Elsa Gloria Synergy card produces (IMHO) the cleanest video signal of anyI equipment I own.  Maybe that's not saying much, as most of my other cardstL are from ATI.  The images displayed by Mozilla for OpenVMS in 24-bit mode onI my flat-screen trinitron are stunning.  And I do use the same monitor for0 other computers.  I Yes, the card is slow.  But I don't run 3D games or video playback on thesI Alpha, so the only time I notice it is when I'm scrolling through severald pages of text in TPU.g  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgs> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:33:47 +0000 (UTC)l, From: lewis@PROBE.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)( Subject: Re: Logical names in decwindows. Message-ID: <b624ib$4v4$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes in article <3E8347B3.28550B4E@vl.videotron.ca> dated Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:49:35 -0400:hM >I know how to use $DEFINE in a decterm at the dollar prompt. I know that the,K >DECWIDNOWS session manager has a "Logical Nanes" menu option that lets you + >define logicals in systen, group, job etc.e >eN >However, when I start an application such as MAIL from the session manager asN >a detached process, is there any way to give it some logicals names ? or mustM >I define all available menu option to be spawed as supprocesses and then usee1 >JOB logicals in the decwindows session manager ?n  J Detached processes don't inherit any logical names from the process or jobK that created them.  If they are CLI-oriented (meaning they run a DCL script6B rather than an executable), they will run SYLOGIN.COM but not your
 LOGIN.COM.  G Sorry I don't know the specifics of how the old Decwindows does it.  Myi@ guess is that it's a script because DECW$DISPLAY needs defining.  M >What are the implications of having commands start as subprocess vs detached 
 >process ?  G Subprocesses inherit the actual job table from the creating process andeI sometimes a snapshot of the process table, depending on a flag set in the@G command or system service which creates it.  The big drawbacks are they I share many quotas with other processes in the tree (SHOW PROC/QUOTA for ag? list), and they automatically die when the parent process dies.d  M Detached processes create their own job and process tables from scratch, have D their own quotas, and can live on after their creating process dies.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgi> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 06:53:01 -08006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)L Subject: OpenVMS v7.3-1 and Advanced Server v7.3A - Pathworks server crashes= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0303280653.6763e29e@posting.google.com>i   Hi,   N We have just upgraded to openVMS v7.3-1, and Pathworks Advnaced Server v7.3A.   H The Pathworks Server crashes without any apparent reason every two days.9 No entry in the OPA0 nor in any Pathworks event log file.tD There are two dumpfiles in PWRK$LMROOT:[LANMAN.LOGS]PWRK$LMMCP.DMP;2  ' Has anybody had any similar behaviour ?e   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:41:53 GMTl, From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>C Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?e< Message-ID: <5yWga.7947$Pk6.300975@twister.southeast.rr.com>  # Oops!  My bad.  It's ready now.  :)b   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.OpenVMS.org      . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageA news:XVOga.28276$KlE.3322@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  >h< > "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.openvms.org> wrote in message8 > news:F9Oga.9473$RS6.455678@twister.southeast.rr.com...E > > A closer look at what competition has been prowling in your area.t > >t > > Have fun!  :)o > >e > > OpenVMS.orgd= > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Survey_Introduction= > >= >=	 >  Survey=4 > [ Error processing survey: Survey is not active. ] >  >a >i >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:16:42 -0000 * From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>C Subject: RE: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door? O Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCF0B@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>=  E Tried doing the survey, with all questions answered, kept getting the2 following error :-(a  1 You are missing the following required questions:c IBM QUESTIONS: SUN QUESTIONS:       -----Original Message-----2 From: Kenneth Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org]  Sent: 28 March 2003 11:42i To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com B Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey: Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?    # Oops!  My bad.  It's ready now.  :)o  ; > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Survey_Introductione > >r >s	 >  Survey,4 > [ Error processing survey: Survey is not active. ] >b >  >e >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:17:06 GMTr/ From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.openvms.org>iC Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?h< Message-ID: <mXXga.9703$RS6.623410@twister.southeast.rr.com>  I OK, I've fixed and tested it.  Tried a couple of different things in this-K survey and I'm paying the price.  Everything should be fine now.  Thanks torF those of you who let me know about the problems.  I know once I post aE message leading to a survey in c.o.v. it won't be long before I startc, hearing about any problems.  That helps.  :)   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.OpenVMS.org    7 "Andrew Robinson" <arobinson@hspg.com> wrote in messagemI news:CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3023CCF0B@grumpy.internal.hspg.com... G > Tried doing the survey, with all questions answered, kept getting the  > following error :-(r >r3 > You are missing the following required questions:y > IBM QUESTIONS: > SUN QUESTIONS: >a >t >e > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Kenneth Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@openvms.org]a > Sent: 28 March 2003 11:42w > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com D > Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey: Who's Been Knocking At Your Door? >o > % > Oops!  My bad.  It's ready now.  :)s >d= > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Survey_Introduction  > > >- > >- > >  Survey-6 > > [ Error processing survey: Survey is not active. ] > >" > >o > >s > >  >u   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 10:00:22 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)"C Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door?D3 Message-ID: <pZfNfV+YaYE0@eisner.encompasserve.org>C  n In article <mXXga.9703$RS6.623410@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.openvms.org> writes:K > OK, I've fixed and tested it.  Tried a couple of different things in thisrM > survey and I'm paying the price.  Everything should be fine now.  Thanks toiH > those of you who let me know about the problems.  I know once I post aG > message leading to a survey in c.o.v. it won't be long before I starti. > hearing about any problems.  That helps.  :)  @ On the strength of that comment, I tried to fill the survey out,> but my completed survey was rejected for lack of any checkmark on the list:  G      *29. What websites do you routinely visit? (check all that apply)  =                      OpenVMS.org/Tru64.org/EnterpriseUnix.orgn                      HP.com.                      IBM.com                      Sun.com)                      Interex/EMEA-Interexn                      Encompass  A NEVER make a multiple choice answer required without allowing for  a "none of the above" answer.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:31:33 GMTs, From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>C Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org Survey:  Who's Been Knocking At Your Door? < Message-ID: <9y0ha.8050$Pk6.329356@twister.southeast.rr.com>  8 As he wipes the blood from his nose he says, "OK Larry."   -- Kenneth Farmer <>< http://www.OpenVMS.org      : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:pZfNfV+YaYE0@eisner.encompasserve.org...VK > In article <mXXga.9703$RS6.623410@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Ken Farmer"s$ <kfarmer@NOSPAM.openvms.org> writes:H > > OK, I've fixed and tested it.  Tried a couple of different things in thisL > > survey and I'm paying the price.  Everything should be fine now.  Thanks toJ > > those of you who let me know about the problems.  I know once I post aI > > message leading to a survey in c.o.v. it won't be long before I startb0 > > hearing about any problems.  That helps.  :) > B > On the strength of that comment, I tried to fill the survey out,@ > but my completed survey was rejected for lack of any checkmark > on the list: >sH >      *29. What websites do you routinely visit? (check all that apply)? >                      OpenVMS.org/Tru64.org/EnterpriseUnix.orgt >                      HP.coml >                      IBM.com >                      Sun.com+ >                      Interex/EMEA-Interex   >                      Encompass > C > NEVER make a multiple choice answer required without allowing for  > a "none of the above" answer.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:24:18 +0000h' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyoY Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org: Marvel article and HP's press release for Marveland Alpha Retail. Message-ID: <3E847732.3010701@nospamn.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:G > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:30:31 +0000, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyn0 > <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote: >  >  >> >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>J >>>Can we just wrap this all up in a shorthand format, or do we have to go >>>through the ritual. >>>rM >>>Sun:   Benchmarks don't mean anything, especially the ones we look bad on.bH >>>Guy:  Well, how about actual performance stories from real customers. >> >>Sun: Well where are they theniF >>Guy: Ahh well thats a bit tricky how about Bank of Austria instead ? >>Sun: Sorry bzzt. >> >  > F > Yeah.  You're sorry because you can't contradict that story with any
 > real facts.m > F > The article stands on it's own as proof that there are customers who8 > use the GS160 with Oracle Financials - your proverbialF > transaction-oriented workloads - even though you claim that it can't
 > be true.  3 Sure there are but Bank of Austria isn't one, their 3 reference is for Wall Street not Oracle Financials.v   Did you actually read it ???  7 And I am sure that there are Oracle Financials users on 3 GS servers but they didn't select the boxes becauser of their performance did they.  + Could have been one of a number of reasons.e   Perfered supplier. Trashed margins. Right colour box.i  . But Oracle applications performance wasn't one of them.   regardst Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:42:03 -0000e" From: "Amo" <andrew.kwok@ds-s.com>" Subject: Re: Port VMS Pascal to PC' Message-ID: <3e83c48c$1@cpns1.saic.com>e  8 Thank you all for your comments, much appreciated! - Amo  - "Amo" <andrew.kwok@ds-s.com> wrote in messagei news:3e8272cb@cpns1.saic.com... K > Does anyone know whether it is possible to port Pascal program written inaI > VMS Pascal to Delphi or any other PC platform compiler? Or is there anyt, > tool out there that allows you to do that? >n > Thanks > Amo  >t >a >l >a   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 02:32:09 -0800 From: user@lngs.infn.itt3 Subject: Re: Problem with 7.3-1 on AlphaStation 600l= Message-ID: <1729f461.0303280232.3c9eef74@posting.google.com>n  
 Rob wrote:. >Please post the output from the first page of >n >SDA> clue crash<  I don't know how do it because I can't get the installation6  menu nor the dcl prompt (it crashes before... )  :-(    Peter 'EPLAN' wrote:> > Is the boot medium on the SCSI CD-ROM or on the IDE CD-ROM ?2  The boot device is the SCSI CD-ROM RRD45 (dkb500)?  I got a look to firmware version in v6.4 for AlphaStation 600,o;  but it looks like that in v6.2, because both are providinga=  as600_v72_2.exe and as600_pci_v7_2.exe so I didn't performedc  another update.4  The as600_pci_v7_2.exe doesn't provide any of newer3  for my hw, nothing for my scsi controller ISP1020.o    More hints? Thanks, bye,R;                                          Nazzareno TaborgnaI@  ===============================================================   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:43:24 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o Subject: Re: SET NOTRUNCATEs; Message-ID: <01KU29W76SOIA9LL1B@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  G > I had some exposure to VMS on a VAX 11/750 in college.  Now thanks tosG > the hobbyist program and acquiring a VAXstation 3100 M76 I'm becoming-I > reacquainted with an old friend, VMS.  I've been trying out the various.J > editors trying to decide which one I liked.  Mostly I've been using LSE.D > Thanks to the editor war thread I've discovered the SET NOTRUNCATE* > function of EDT and I think I'm hooked.   > Let us all rejoice as another brother has seen the light!  :-)  I I have found the standard manuals to be good tutorials.  EDT is probably m under "archived manuals".u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:22:18 -0500 A From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star-dot-zko-dot-dec-dot-com>  Subject: Re: Suggestion to Sue. Message-ID: <3e845a9a$1_3@hpb10302.boi.hp.com>  " I'm not entirely sure what to say.  G I haven't intentionally inflicted physical damage to anyone since I wasrI about 17, and had to kick the crap out of someone who was mistreating hisa girlfriend.   K I don't believe in a clean fight.  If someone is fighting with me, it's notuK because I started it, and I believe the most effective way to resolve it iss to incapacitate them quickly.k  H I'd rather Andrew just go away, or be replaced with someone who has moreK technical depth, in his thinly disguised Sun sales function.  I'd rather JFEF and Bill tone down their rhetoric (and take their political threads toL another soapbox).  But aside from raised blood pressure on occasion, I don'tL think I have a desire to use the persuader in the office next door (a nice 27 inch diameter, rubber clad copper wire) on any of them.   J It's a tough time in the world, and a tough time in our industry - for all: of us.  I'd rather we spent our energy on positive things.    1 "Daniel Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> wrote in messageO4 news:BCEGLBGJDODLELBJIADKOEJBCGAA.dallen@nist.gov... >  >' > > -----Original Message-----; > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca])+ > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:17 PM' > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComL > > Subject: Suggestion to Sue > >T > >$@ > > For your upcoming technical seminar, you should have an open > > plenary sessionuE > > with Fred Kleinsorge and Andrew Harrison starting a verbal battle- > > and then you4 > > supply them with foam bats and let them go nuts. >r7 > I personally think Fred's bat should be good old ash.h >a > Dane > >-D > > Although this would have no technical value, it would have great > > entertainmentt > > value :-) :-) :-)v > >r > > :-) :-)  :-) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:07:41 +0100w( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>/ Subject: Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!o: Message-ID: <MDEJJFGEEOPAFONJONBKMEPJCOAA.win@fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Andrew writes:   >>>B9 > There is no OpenVMS magic bullet get used to it, I haver6 > provided you with enough examples over the years and7 > to be frank the argument is getting pretty pointless.h <<<e  K One of the good things in OpenVMS are the Descriptors. With this OpenVMS is3J protected against "buffer overflow" Also there was a better security modelH (e.g. xhost + versus security tripple transport, user, host). But in theK newer times there are a lot of tools and programs without the philosophy oftD OpenVMS. The most one came from UNIX. So a lot of buggy tools become standard in OpenVMS.K The other good thing is, that memory must be allocated to the user. If not,oJ you will get ACCVIO. Under UNIX, user have the right to read every part ofJ memory without any limit. Also user can get rights (roots), which he never5 should get. Normaly this is unpossible under OpenVMS.e   Best regards Rudolf Wingerta   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 05:28:50 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert! = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0303280528.3b2d6e07@posting.google.com>   j "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<MDEJJFGEEOPAFONJONBKMEPJCOAA.win@fom.fgan.de>... > Hello, >  > Andrew writes: >  > >>>A; > > There is no OpenVMS magic bullet get used to it, I have:8 > > provided you with enough examples over the years and9 > > to be frank the argument is getting pretty pointless.i > <<<S > M > One of the good things in OpenVMS are the Descriptors. With this OpenVMS isaL > protected against "buffer overflow" Also there was a better security modelJ > (e.g. xhost + versus security tripple transport, user, host). But in theM > newer times there are a lot of tools and programs without the philosophy ofpF > OpenVMS. The most one came from UNIX. So a lot of buggy tools become > standard in OpenVMS.M > The other good thing is, that memory must be allocated to the user. If not,1L > you will get ACCVIO. Under UNIX, user have the right to read every part ofL > memory without any limit. Also user can get rights (roots), which he never7 > should get. Normaly this is unpossible under OpenVMS.e >  > Best regards Rudolf Wingerty  , now if only Andrew could comprehend this ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:20:47 GMTi4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>/ Subject: Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!_0 Message-ID: <3E8466C0.55364497@blueyonder.co.uk>   Bob Ceculski wrote:n > l > "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<MDEJJFGEEOPAFONJONBKMEPJCOAA.win@fom.fgan.de>...
 > > Hello, > >a > > Andrew writes: > >T > > >>> = > > > There is no OpenVMS magic bullet get used to it, I haveR: > > > provided you with enough examples over the years and; > > > to be frank the argument is getting pretty pointless.m > > <<<  > >eO > > One of the good things in OpenVMS are the Descriptors. With this OpenVMS isSN > > protected against "buffer overflow" Also there was a better security modelL > > (e.g. xhost + versus security tripple transport, user, host). But in theO > > newer times there are a lot of tools and programs without the philosophy of H > > OpenVMS. The most one came from UNIX. So a lot of buggy tools become > > standard in OpenVMS.O > > The other good thing is, that memory must be allocated to the user. If not,fN > > you will get ACCVIO. Under UNIX, user have the right to read every part ofN > > memory without any limit. Also user can get rights (roots), which he never9 > > should get. Normaly this is unpossible under OpenVMS.x > >  > > Best regards Rudolf Wingertr > . > now if only Andrew could comprehend this ...  C Not just Andrew, the whole ****ing IT business could do with a goodi. lesson in defensive programming ans OS design.     -- t tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:13:30 +0000h+ From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.org.uk> / Subject: Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert!i8 Message-ID: <rvs88vckcd9l85o8n5lqs46sjl51mtnhb0@4ax.com>  / On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:20:47 GMT, Tim Llewellyn ' <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:n  D >Not just Andrew, the whole ****ing IT business could do with a good/ >lesson in defensive programming ans OS design.f  L Sheesh, this is wishful thinking given the predominance of Microsoft and now	 Linux :-)m  F [Have you considered alternative careers ?  I know no-one thinks it isK possible after the age of 22, but there are some possibilities, and I doubt J in all honesty IT will see me through to retirement.  Which is fading into( the distance faster than I am ageing...]     	Johnn   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:43:48 GMTe4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>/ Subject: Re: Sun unix/linux new nasty bug cert! 0 Message-ID: <3E847A34.702E9836@blueyonder.co.uk>   John Laird wrote:n > 1 > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:20:47 GMT, Tim Llewellynr) > <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:o > F > >Not just Andrew, the whole ****ing IT business could do with a good1 > >lesson in defensive programming ans OS design.n > N > Sheesh, this is wishful thinking given the predominance of Microsoft and now > Linux :-)l  S Well, at least you are still smiling :-) Oh, I am too, just about. I have explainedtF the descriptor versus null terminated string issue to lay-people with O simple analogies and they are just as shocked as I am about the current trends.  Sigh.t   > H > [Have you considered alternative careers ?  I know no-one thinks it isM > possible after the age of 22, but there are some possibilities, and I doubtfL > in all honesty IT will see me through to retirement.  Which is fading into* > the distance faster than I am ageing...]  > Sure, I mean the current student generation is being told they> will need to make several career changes in their lives. QuiteH difficult to see how that is going to work, really, though. Its not easyJ to get into anything at the moment, except perhaps telesales, and I am NOTF doing that. As for the govt's plans to remove mandatory retirement andF let people work until they drop because their pensions have been wipedA out by the stockmarket crash, difficult to see how that will work   without anti-ageist legislation.   regards,   >  >         John   -- C tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:18:18 GMT 5 From: "cpqcorp" <zielonkono-spam-plz@ucx.lkg.dec.com>p/ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.1 and SMTP authentication 1 Message-ID: <KjVga.1019$ec4.723@news.cpqcorp.net>-   Hello,  8 What form of authentication are they talking about? SSL?   Karole  ; "Bernd Ulmann" <ulmann@raven-infotech.com> wrote in messageg, news:3E8344F4.3E374CAA@raven-infotech.com... > Hi -G > I have the problem that my ISP is changing his SMTP server so that ittF > will only accept mails sent with SMTP and authentication. They claimH > this is because they run into quite severe spam problems and they wantI > to be sure that the people using their smtp server are their customers..I >  My problem is now, that I am doing everything at home on my (wonderfuleH > :-) ) VAX-7820 running OpenVMS-VAX 7.2 and TCPIP 5.1. Up to now I sentB > all my outgoing mails via smtp to the smtp server of my providerC > (alternate gateway) with a simple domain substitution to have theyJ > "right" sender address appearing on my outgoing mails. Since my providerH > has changed his access rules, I am consequently not able to send mailsI > any longer, since I can not get TCPIP 5.1 into sending an smtp user and  > passwort for authentication.G >  Is there any obvious solution for this which I totally missed? Or islJ > there some clever trick, maybe getting the data out of the SMTP queue(s)I > and sending it by a dedicated program (maybe in PERL?). To be honest, IdG > am stuck at the moment, and somehow I have to get online (mail) again4I > and I do not want to use another computer running what operating systems > it might, just to send mails.$3 >  If someone has an idea, please drop me a note atuG > ulmann(at)raven-infotech.com. Thank you very much for your help, besto
 > regards, >m > Bernd Ulmann. :-)!   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:03:03 +0000 (UTC)l+ From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (David Webb)e/ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.1 and SMTP authentication + Message-ID: <b61dlm$fd4$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>y  i In article <KjVga.1019$ec4.723@news.cpqcorp.net>, "cpqcorp" <zielonkono-spam-plz@ucx.lkg.dec.com> writes:  >Hello,t > 9 >What form of authentication are they talking about? SSL?n >r  J I'd assume they were talking about SMTP AUTH which is described in RFC2554G (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2554.html) which is implemented using SASLi< described in RFC2222 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2222.html)  C Unfortunately I don't think any VMS mail clients support SMTP AUTH nH (Although the PMDF MTA supports SASL and SMTP AUTH I don't think either O PINE or PMDF MAIL - PMDF's improved version of VMS MAIL support it themselves). M Modern browser's do tend to support it when sending mail - hence I'd suspect    MOZILLA on VMS would support it.    p  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >Karol >o< >"Bernd Ulmann" <ulmann@raven-infotech.com> wrote in message- >news:3E8344F4.3E374CAA@raven-infotech.com...a >> Hi - H >> I have the problem that my ISP is changing his SMTP server so that itG >> will only accept mails sent with SMTP and authentication. They claimTI >> this is because they run into quite severe spam problems and they want J >> to be sure that the people using their smtp server are their customers.J >>  My problem is now, that I am doing everything at home on my (wonderfulI >> :-) ) VAX-7820 running OpenVMS-VAX 7.2 and TCPIP 5.1. Up to now I sentiC >> all my outgoing mails via smtp to the smtp server of my provider5D >> (alternate gateway) with a simple domain substitution to have theK >> "right" sender address appearing on my outgoing mails. Since my providertI >> has changed his access rules, I am consequently not able to send mailshJ >> any longer, since I can not get TCPIP 5.1 into sending an smtp user and >> passwort for authentication.wH >>  Is there any obvious solution for this which I totally missed? Or isK >> there some clever trick, maybe getting the data out of the SMTP queue(s)hJ >> and sending it by a dedicated program (maybe in PERL?). To be honest, IH >> am stuck at the moment, and somehow I have to get online (mail) againJ >> and I do not want to use another computer running what operating system  >> it might, just to send mails.4 >>  If someone has an idea, please drop me a note atH >> ulmann(at)raven-infotech.com. Thank you very much for your help, best >> regards,o >> >> Bernd Ulmann. :-) >h >i   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 05:32:13 -08006 From: Matthew X. Economou <xenophon+usenet@irtnog.org>4 Subject: Three questions re: the VMS startup process) Message-ID: <b61ist01652@drn.newsguy.com>e  N I have three questions regarding boot-time configuration of OpenVMS.  I lookedN through the Fine Manual (on DEC's...er, Compaq's...um, HP's web site), but I'mO such a n00bie that I didn't find the information I was looking for.  Hopefully, " some kind soul here will help.  :)  J 1. How do I configure LAT to run at startup?  Right now, I have to executeP SYS$STARTUP:LAT$STARTUP.COM manually after every reboot, and simply adding it toG the end of SYS$SYSROOT:[MANAGER]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM doesn't seem to work.l  O 2. I have a similar question for configuring X terminal support.  Should I justm8 add "DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL TRUE" andJ "@SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP XTERMINAL" to SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM?  The VXT-2000+ installation manualn[ (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/vxt/post_docs/vxt_sysman_install_openvms.ps) N implies that if I define the DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL logical, DECwindows shouldJ automatically setup X terminal support, but if I just put the logical into8 SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, I still have to run DECW$STARTUP.COM.  O 3. I'm trying to get a VXT-2000+ to MOP-boot off my Alpha.  Unfortunately, eveniH though I'm doing "MCR NCP DEFINE NODE <nodename> ADDRESS <decnet-addr>  * HARDWARE ADDRESS <ethernet-addr> LOAD FILEN SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VXT$LIBRARY]<vxt-image-filename>" and updating NCP's persistentN database, the changes are erased when I restart.  What am I doing wrong?  Do IP have to write out the configuration changes somehow after doing a "DEFINE NODE"?  P Any help or pointers to the relevant documentation would be greatly appreciated!  
 Kind regards,e Matthewt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:10:45 -06002 From: brandon@dalsemi.comv8 Subject: Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process1 Message-ID: <03032808104499@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>j  L > 1. How do I configure LAT to run at startup?  Right now, I have to executeO > SYS$STARTUP:LAT$STARTUP.COM manually after every reboot, and simply adding ito > toI > the end of SYS$SYSROOT:[MANAGER]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM doesn't seem to work.s  O This should work, make sure that there SYSTARTUP_VMS is completing - i.e., that K there is not a syntax or logic error that forces SYSTARTUP_VMS to bomb.  ToWN find out, define the console output at the begining of your SYSTARTUP_VMS to a# log file for your viewing pleasure:O  ' $ open /write console systartup_vms.loga    L > 2. I have a similar question for configuring X terminal support.  Should I? > just add "DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL TRUE" and?L > "@SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP XTERMINAL" to SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM?  The VXT-2000+ > installation manual/@ > (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/vxt/post_docs/v > xt_sysman_install_openvms.ps)nP > implies that if I define the DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL logical, DECwindows shouldL > automatically setup X terminal support, but if I just put the logical into: > SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, I still have to run DECW$STARTUP.COM.  & Place the logical in SYLOGICALS.COM;    L > 3. I'm trying to get a VXT-2000+ to MOP-boot off my Alpha.  Unfortunately, > evenJ > though I'm doing "MCR NCP DEFINE NODE <nodename> ADDRESS <decnet-addr>  , > HARDWARE ADDRESS <ethernet-addr> LOAD FILEP > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VXT$LIBRARY]<vxt-image-filename>" and updating NCP's persistentP > database, the changes are erased when I restart.  What am I doing wrong?  Do IK > have to write out the configuration changes somehow after doing a "DEFINEe > NODE"?  8 I use to do this, but that was years ago.  Someone else?     John Brandon VMS Systems Administrator  Dallas Semiconductor john.brandon@dalsemi.com 972.371.4172 wku 972.371.4003 fx    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:17:52 GMTo4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>8 Subject: Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process0 Message-ID: <3E846611.B3DE4EE2@blueyonder.co.uk>   "Matthew X. Economou" wrote:  Q > 3. I'm trying to get a VXT-2000+ to MOP-boot off my Alpha.  Unfortunately, even.H > though I'm doing "MCR NCP DEFINE NODE <nodename> ADDRESS <decnet-addr>, > HARDWARE ADDRESS <ethernet-addr> LOAD FILEP > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VXT$LIBRARY]<vxt-image-filename>" and updating NCP's persistentP > database, the changes are erased when I restart.  What am I doing wrong?  Do IR > have to write out the configuration changes somehow after doing a "DEFINE NODE"? >   T Nope, are you sure you are running Phase IV not Phase V/DeCNET/OSI? Other than that,Q presuming the DEFINE command does not generate errors, then your system is badly  Q configured. Your problem #1 does indicate some problems with systartup_vms.com souQ I suggest you investigate that first then see if this problem disappears. Are youoX sure DECNET is starting correctly? Maybe someone started that up by hand as well as LAT?     Regards,    t   -- o tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk e  H * PLEASE NOTE tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address is NO LONGER VALID *   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:21:09 GMTh& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>8 Subject: Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process8 Message-ID: <g2q88vk46nivsgsek3cqn8d1er451s94l8@4ax.com>  2 On 28 Mar 2003 05:32:13 -0800, Matthew X. Economou# <xenophon+usenet@irtnog.org> wrote:   O >I have three questions regarding boot-time configuration of OpenVMS.  I looked O >through the Fine Manual (on DEC's...er, Compaq's...um, HP's web site), but I'mAP >such a n00bie that I didn't find the information I was looking for.  Hopefully,# >some kind soul here will help.  :)f >.K >1. How do I configure LAT to run at startup?  Right now, I have to executedQ >SYS$STARTUP:LAT$STARTUP.COM manually after every reboot, and simply adding it to>H >the end of SYS$SYSROOT:[MANAGER]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM doesn't seem to work.  A Well, this should work, but you have to check if there is an EXITd- somewhere before you hit the end of the file.e   >lP >2. I have a similar question for configuring X terminal support.  Should I just9 >add "DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL TRUE" andSK >"@SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP XTERMINAL" to SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM?  The VXT-2000+. >installation manual\ >(http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/vxt/post_docs/vxt_sysman_install_openvms.ps)O >implies that if I define the DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL logical, DECwindows shouldmK >automatically setup X terminal support, but if I just put the logical intoD9 >SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, I still have to run DECW$STARTUP.COM.   E Put the logical in SYLOGICALS.COM.  This gets executed earlier in the B boot process.  DECW$STARTUP.COM should get executed automatically,? assuming you have the window_system sysgen param set correctly.-   >-P >3. I'm trying to get a VXT-2000+ to MOP-boot off my Alpha.  Unfortunately, evenI >though I'm doing "MCR NCP DEFINE NODE <nodename> ADDRESS <decnet-addr>  2+ >HARDWARE ADDRESS <ethernet-addr> LOAD FILEfO >SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VXT$LIBRARY]<vxt-image-filename>" and updating NCP's persistentcO >database, the changes are erased when I restart.  What am I doing wrong?  Do IrQ >have to write out the configuration changes somehow after doing a "DEFINE NODE"?l >n   What version of VMS?  DECnet? C Do you have logicals that point to decnet database files off of thetC system disk?  Where are these defined in your startup?  It could be D that during startup, DECnet is looking at the database files on yourE system disk, but later on the logicals get defined and when you login " interactively they appear correct.  > I always recommend that logicals be defined in SYLOGICALS.COM.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:04:44 -0500t' From: Chris Olive <nospam@raytheon.com>r8 Subject: Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process= Message-ID: <zp_ga.208$35.1004@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com>l   Matthew X. Economou wrote:P > I have three questions regarding boot-time configuration of OpenVMS.  I lookedP > through the Fine Manual (on DEC's...er, Compaq's...um, HP's web site), but I'mQ > such a n00bie that I didn't find the information I was looking for.  Hopefully,n$ > some kind soul here will help.  :) > L > 1. How do I configure LAT to run at startup?  Right now, I have to executeR > SYS$STARTUP:LAT$STARTUP.COM manually after every reboot, and simply adding it toI > the end of SYS$SYSROOT:[MANAGER]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM doesn't seem to work.  > Q > 2. I have a similar question for configuring X terminal support.  Should I justw: > add "DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL TRUE" andL > "@SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP XTERMINAL" to SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM?  The VXT-2000+ > installation manualy] > (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/vxt/post_docs/vxt_sysman_install_openvms.ps)rP > implies that if I define the DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL logical, DECwindows shouldL > automatically setup X terminal support, but if I just put the logical into: > SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, I still have to run DECW$STARTUP.COM. > Q > 3. I'm trying to get a VXT-2000+ to MOP-boot off my Alpha.  Unfortunately, eventJ > though I'm doing "MCR NCP DEFINE NODE <nodename> ADDRESS <decnet-addr>  , > HARDWARE ADDRESS <ethernet-addr> LOAD FILEP > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VXT$LIBRARY]<vxt-image-filename>" and updating NCP's persistentP > database, the changes are erased when I restart.  What am I doing wrong?  Do IR > have to write out the configuration changes somehow after doing a "DEFINE NODE"? > R > Any help or pointers to the relevant documentation would be greatly appreciated! >  > Kind regards,.	 > Matthews >    Matthew,  I Still hacking away on whatever systems you can get your hands on, eh? 8-)h  H Just a small suggestion, somewhat in keeping with the encouragements to H place your system exec logicials in SYLOGICALS.COM...  When I was heavy I into admin'ing VMS clusters (years ago), I always had SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, rG SYLOGICALS.COM, SYSECURITY.COM, etc. echo a line that let me know they  G were running, so: (1) I could see the order they executed in (which is oI important as has been pointed out here) and (2) So I could see they were rG completing properly.  (I also echoed lines before each layered product -> startup call.  And order can be somewhat important there too.)   $ echo := write sys$output, $ echo ">>> SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM: Executing..."   That sort of thing...t  F I used to know the order all those ran in off the top of my head, but H not any more.  Too many intermittent years away from VMS...  So a small C suggestion here and I'll give way to present day VMS heavy-weights.l  H There's no way you can make me believe you've given up OpenBSD for VMS, G dude... There's only one Matthew *X* Economou so I know I'm talking to t the right one... 8-)   Chriso -----b Chris Oliveu Systems Consultant' Raytheon Technical Services Corporationo Indianapolis, IN  * email: olivec(AT)indy(DOT)raytheon(DOT)com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:27:48 -0600o$ From: Lyle West <www@ourtownusa.net>8 Subject: Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process. Message-ID: <3E8431B4.3C403CEE@ourtownusa.net>   Matthew X. Economou wrote:  K > 3. I'm trying to get a VXT-2000+ to MOP-boot off my Alpha. Unfortunately,h  M > even though I'm doing "MCR NCP DEFINE NODE <nodename> ADDRESS <decnet-addr>a, > HARDWARE ADDRESS <ethernet-addr> LOAD FILEE > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VXT$LIBRARY]<vxt-image-filename>" and updating NCP'snF > persistent database, the changes are erased when I restart.  What amB > I doing wrong?  Do I have to write out the configuration changes& > somehow after doing a "DEFINE NODE"? >r   Have you tried:.   ncp> show known line    Line             Stateo   EWA-0             on ncp> sho line EWA-0 char Line = EWA-0 .e# Service                  = disabled3 .0 .r ncp> set circ ewa-0 state offr# ncp> set circ ewa-0 service enabledo& ncp> define circ ewa-0 service enabled ncp> set circ ewa-0 state on ncp> sho line EWA-0 char" Service                  = enabled <ctl-z>S $N   Now boot the VXT..   Just a thought --     Lyle W. West  > Try ell with three dubya's and at with mninter arf net and use dot rather than arfS __   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:57:55 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com8 Subject: Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process? Message-ID: <OF329F9640.A3036F8E-ON85256CF7.00625A7A@metso.com>o  H If you set the sysgen parameter STARTUP_P2 to "CDP" you will get a large
 verify log in-J SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.LOG of the boot process.  This can tell you what is and is notF being executed during system startup and SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COMJ You can set this before shutdown, or while doing a conversational sysboot.  > From:  jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> on 03/28/2003 11:21 AM  2 Please respond to jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:d  ; Subject:    Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup processv    2 On 28 Mar 2003 05:32:13 -0800, Matthew X. Economou# <xenophon+usenet@irtnog.org> wrote:   H >I have three questions regarding boot-time configuration of OpenVMS.  I lookedK >through the Fine Manual (on DEC's...er, Compaq's...um, HP's web site), but  I'maD >such a n00bie that I didn't find the information I was looking for.
 Hopefully,# >some kind soul here will help.  :): > K >1. How do I configure LAT to run at startup?  Right now, I have to execute K >SYS$STARTUP:LAT$STARTUP.COM manually after every reboot, and simply adding  it tooH >the end of SYS$SYSROOT:[MANAGER]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM doesn't seem to work.  A Well, this should work, but you have to check if there is an EXITE- somewhere before you hit the end of the file.o   >lK >2. I have a similar question for configuring X terminal support.  Should I  just9 >add "DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL TRUE" andfK >"@SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP XTERMINAL" to SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM?  The VXT-2000+Y >installation manual >(Y http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/vxt/post_docs/vxt_sysman_install_openvms.psy )"H >implies that if I define the DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL logical, DECwindows shouldK >automatically setup X terminal support, but if I just put the logical intoa9 >SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, I still have to run DECW$STARTUP.COM..  E Put the logical in SYLOGICALS.COM.  This gets executed earlier in the B boot process.  DECW$STARTUP.COM should get executed automatically,? assuming you have the window_system sysgen param set correctly.    >nK >3. I'm trying to get a VXT-2000+ to MOP-boot off my Alpha.  Unfortunately,n evenG >though I'm doing "MCR NCP DEFINE NODE <nodename> ADDRESS <decnet-addr>f+ >HARDWARE ADDRESS <ethernet-addr> LOAD FILE D >SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VXT$LIBRARY]<vxt-image-filename>" and updating NCP's
 persistentI >database, the changes are erased when I restart.  What am I doing wrong?  Do IJ >have to write out the configuration changes somehow after doing a "DEFINE NODE"? >    What version of VMS?  DECnet?TC Do you have logicals that point to decnet database files off of the C system disk?  Where are these defined in your startup?  It could be D that during startup, DECnet is looking at the database files on yourE system disk, but later on the logicals get defined and when you login " interactively they appear correct.  > I always recommend that logicals be defined in SYLOGICALS.COM.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2003 07:36:22 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ; Subject: Re: Trying something dangerous with cma* librariesu3 Message-ID: <fpvGjma2I6jX@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  m In article <b6bf97d5.0303271511.52f35239@posting.google.com>, merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) writes:tH > I was trying to implement this hack but can't seem to get it to work i > define logicals like this: > & > $ Deflog  := define/group/super/exec  4    /super and /exec conflict, I thnk you'll get exec0 > $ Deflog CMA$TIS_SHR "LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHR.exe"      leave out the quotes:  , $ Deflog CMA$TIS_SHR LIS_EXE:CMA$TIS_SHR.exe      And how is LIS_EXE defined?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:56:48 GMTs! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>i7 Subject: Re: VT320 switches to 132 column mode on logino8 Message-ID: <l2e88v0opnfrhvjo64bbhd1icb21k1ueaa@4ax.com>  N On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:44:08 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote:   >Kevin Monceaux wrote:L >> drive which I decided to install VMS on from scratch.  When logging in toC >> the freshly installed VMS the VT320 switches to 132 column mode.? > 1 >Take a look at the file SYS$MANAGER:SYSLOGIN.COMe  P That should actually be SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM so I hope our VMS neophyte isn't too confused:-)    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurp   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:01:58 GMTe! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>e7 Subject: Re: VT320 switches to 132 column mode on login-8 Message-ID: <kbe88v0kak3pne332ph886bfa807ofudqa@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:56:48 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:  O >On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:44:08 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>A >wrote:o >a >>Kevin Monceaux wrote:eM >>> drive which I decided to install VMS on from scratch.  When logging in tosD >>> the freshly installed VMS the VT320 switches to 132 column mode. >>2 >>Take a look at the file SYS$MANAGER:SYSLOGIN.COM >oQ >That should actually be SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM so I hope our VMS neophyte isn't- >too confused:-)  O Actually to correct myself & be even more pedantic you should actually look forPA the command procedure pointed to by the logical name SYS$SYLOGIN.8   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azure   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:46:41 GMTt9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> & Subject: Re: What is PRV-F-INSFCREDITH? Message-ID: <c3094fda4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>I  , In message <27MAR200319251065@gerg.tamu.edu>2           carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:  + > tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes...o^ > }hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<jonga.893$XK2.297@news.cpqcorp.net>...h > }> In article <ea44f5a1.0303241306.16ab1a@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:H > }> :PRV-F-INSFCREDITH, insufficeint connection message buffer credits, > }> :high priority request  > }> :< > }> :What does this message mean, how do I fix the problem? > }> =L > }>   Without intending offense, please see the OpenVMS FAQ for details on K > }>   how to ask questions -- many questions of only one or two lines are -K > }>   surprisingly difficult to answer, as supporting information (productyH > }>   versions, commands, provoking factors, etc) tend to be omitted or > }>   assumed.  > } E > }I am getting this message while trying to establish a connect to acI > }terminal port in a FORTRAN program.  I may have an excessive number ofaF > }such connects.  I just added one more port connect to the system of > }programs. > } G > }The message is intermittent.  Sometimes the connect works, sometimeso > }itn	 > }fails.' > }> dH > }>   The PRV facility prefix is usually associated with privileges and$ > }>   privilege-related operations. > }> tF > }>   I've searched OpenVMS, and no examples of the cited error code I > }>   (PRV$_INSFCREDITH) were found -- there are a number of examples ofiF > }>   SS$_INSFCREDITH, and it is certainly possible for the messages F > }>   associated with one facility to be co-opted by another; to have$ > }>   the facility prefix replaced. > } % > }You searched the documentation CD?y > J > My guess is that when Hoff says he searched OpenVMS it means he searchedG > OpenVMS - he is, after all, one of the programmers working on it withn- > OpenVMS Engineering (as stated in his sig).r > @ > I'm not one of them so I just searched the various files, like= > sys$library:*.r64, that come with VMS. The only mentions ofbE > INSFCREDITH that I found were the definitions of SS$_INSFCREDITH ins. > a couple of places, much like what he found. > I > }>   If I were guessing -- and without the necessary supporting detailspH > }>   and background information on the problem, I am -- this is eitherJ > }>   a bogus return status code, or this is a  cluster credit allocation> > }>   error, and specifically a lack of hi-prio send credits. > } H > }We don't have a cluster, unless it is some sort of default "cluster"., > }How do you increase hi-prio send credits? > } < > }I am not sure what privilege needs to be revised, if any. > I > Since terminal ports don't have much to do with privilege (particularly-G > when it usually works), and you are not in a cluster, my first choice I > would be that it is a bogus code. It may be some quasi-random data thatjG > happens to be in the variable you are checking at the time. Make sureaJ > you are initializing properly and not reusing variables inappropriately.H > Also check how you are passing the data. The numeric value of a statusL > code for %PRV-F-INSFCREDITH is 665004 (A25AC in hex - 25AC is the code forJ > the "F-INSFCREDITH" part, with the "A" bits before it being the facilityI > code for PRV) - it is possible that this is the address of the variable-F > instead of the value, so instead of reporting the status it could be? > reporting the address of the status as if it were the status.i > G > If we were to assume that the error code isn't completely bogus, then G > I'd suggest you look through the code to find out where it can be set:J > and see what kind of operation it could be talking about. If it could beI > a privilege realated thing, then at some point you might be turning offtH > all privileges and never turning the right ones back on before you tryI > to make the connection in some instances. What privs you need depend onlF > exactly what you are doing (local serial port or terminal server andI > make a difference, for example), you will probably need at least TMPMBXfH > and possibly NETMBX. In some cases you may need others, I have a pieceG > of software that talks to a terminal server port and needs LOG_IO fore8 > example. It all depends on exactly what you are doing. > K > I will point out that this error code seems to be a poor choice of thingsrI > to return. It probably isn't being returned by anything that is part ofnJ > VMS, but rather I would first guess that it is being generated somewhereK > in your own code and that it doesn't really mean what the SS$_INSFCREDITH:1 > code normally indicates even if it isn't bogus.   A Since you are using Fortran, your code should look something likea           stat=sys$xxxx...2         if (.not.stat) call lib$signal(%val(stat))  H The %val is important - Fortran by default will pass the address of stat< which could cause the problem described in the answer above.  ! But you probably knew all that...v   Alan   -- d
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.172 ************************