1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 30 Mar 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 175       Contents: Re: 7.3-1 and EXBYTLIM3 Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS)  Re: Conference On Clustering Re: Conference On Clustering Re: COV Sponsors Re: Default Gateway  Re: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested Re: Fortran Guru requested# RE: Help converting Alpha NT to VMS . Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons Re: Macs vs. Pathworks et. al. Re: Microsoft virus warning  OT: Microsoft virus warning  Re: OT: Microsoft virus warning & RE: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading& Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading/ Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process   Re: VAX XDM, help needed please!  Re: VAX XDM, help needed please!7 Re: VMS Software Product & Online Documentation Library 7 Re: VMS Software Product & Online Documentation Library 9 Re: Which PAK for DECNET Phase IV under Hobbyist Program?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:42:43 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>  Subject: Re: 7.3-1 and EXBYTLIM ? Message-ID: <9df6f8da4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   3 In message <1030329002915.416F-100000@Ives.egh.com> +           John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:   * > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Paul Webster wrote: > I > > I have an application (but no source code) that works on VMS 7.1 (and ( > > I think 7.2) but is failing on 7.3-1 > > ? > > The failure is %SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM, exceeded byte count quota  > > G > > The account that it is running on is configured in same way on each I > > system - but I tried pushing up the BYTLM anway - with no difference.  > > G > > I know that the code does a delete/create of a process logical name J > > table and then stores some values in that table - and I also know thatC > > the $CRELNT is being called with a Quota (size) of 0 (hopefully I > > meaning unlimited) ... is there a chance that this no longer works in 	 > > 7.3-1  > > J > > I can see that the Help text for $CRELNT has changed between 6 and 7 -D > > could this mean that something that it is doing no longer works? > > A > > Clearly the problem could be something totally different, but I > > comparing some of the tracing output that the application makes leads E > > me to think that it is somewhere around there that it is failing.  > > --   > > Rgds > > Paul Webster > G > Completely different thing that has worked fine for years, but is now ) > dying on VMS 7.3-1 with the same error.  > A > TCPWare IP-over-DECnet line to a remote site.  The local end is F > an AlphaServer 1200 running VMS V7.3-1 (upgraded from V7.2-1 TuesdayB > night), DECnet-Plus, TCPware 5.6-2.  Remote end is VAX VMS V7.1," > DECnet-Plus V7.1, TCPware 5.3-3. > C > The local end was the LISTENER.  Whenever TCPware tried to start, C > it would get an %SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM, exceeded byte count quota, and E > TCPware would immediately shut itself down.  I removed the commands @ > to start the DECnet-0 line, and TCPware came up fine.  I triedB > executing them interactively and got the same error (but TCPware? > doesn't shut itself down when you do it interactively, making B > testing much easier.)  I messed around a lot with SYSTEM's BYTLM< > quota, eventually quadrupling it, without benefit.  Once IB > accidently left off the "/flags=listener", and it didn't die (or@ > maybe it got a different error, I don't remember).  Of course,@ > the line didn't start (no listener), but this was progress!  I> > restarted the remote side as the listener, started the localC > side as the active end, and the line came up and has been working  > fine ever since. > D > Since this time, I've installed the 7.3-1 DECnet ECO and rebooted,B > but I haven't tried swapping back to the original configuration. > = > Maybe there is a generic problem with BYTLM quota in 7.3-1?   J Is BYTLM affected by any SYSGEN parameters, if so, has the upgrade changed any?   >    --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:59:26 -0500 & From: "JustMe" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca>< Subject: Re: An opportunity for HP? (wes: Micromedex on VMS): Message-ID: <32tha.8856$D24.1069011@news20.bellglobal.com>  K Quite amazing that Mr. Harrison is always so self-assured (read "arrogant") G I wonder how he'll spin it when Sun ultimately hits the dust-bin (which ' might just be sooner rather than later)     5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0303271724.7cc10236@posting.google.com... I Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> 9 wrote in message news:<3E818956.40404@nospamn.sun.com>...  > >>>  > >>> K > >>>IBM has been waffling lately as to whether AIX will survive long-term, D > >>>given the popularity of Linux.  In contrast, VMS has the strong> > >>>support of HP, and a long-term path laid out ahead of it. > >>> H > >>>And since 80% of Cerner customers use VMS compared with 20% at mostH > >>>for AIX, I think it is the AIX back-end which is arguably much less > >>>viable. > >>> J > >>>"Today Cerner serves some 1,500 clients, 80% of whom run their Cerner; > >>>applications on HP OpenVMS AlphaServer technology." -- B > >>>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf > >>9 > >>However IBM are supplying Cerner with the development < > >>and deployment software platform for their new products. > >>; > >>WebSphere and DB2, and this is a huge threat to OpenVMS 7 > >>if it is as people suggest the largest platform for  > >>Cerner currently.  > >> > >>Regards  > >>Andrew Harrison  > >  > > F > > are you kidding me?  IBM sells garbage just like you do at sun ...D > > IBM has no solution that even comes close to OpenVMS clustering,E > > security, and uptime ... I am still waiting for them to call back C > > and tell me why the AS400 I worked on 9 years ago crashed twice D > > in one month ... I have been on VMS 18 years now around that oneD > > month nightmare stint on convuluted menu city OS400 and have yetB > > to have "ONE" VMS os crash ... IBM is what sun is ... GARBAGE! > ; > Bob it doesn't matter you may think about the reliability 8 > or security of other non OpenVMS platforms if they are7 > the ones that can run the applications and OpenVMS is  > the one that cannot. > 5 > Its nice to see that you are still as articulate as 6 > ever keep it up, an archive of your postings sent to4 > an IT manager considering OpenVMS or anything else7 > would be a powerfull sales tool for the people trying ! > to sell the non OpenVMS system.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison   ? VMS can run any app that any garbage unix/linux box can, and it = can run it SECURELY ... apache is one good example ... as for @ my posts such as working on vms for 18+ years now w/o a os crash= I don't think anyone can come close to that ... but you don't ? need my posts to sell vms, just look at the last 13 years worth B of cert advisories ... 10 for vms, 580+ and counting for slowaris,A even more for linux, and windoze, well I think even cert has lost 7 track of the count ... VMS record stands for itself ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:31:27 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering H Message-ID: <jytha.42712$KlE.36979@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message , news:PhmcnQNwady5KBmjXTWc3Q@metrocast.net... > 7 > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message % > news:3E84616F.AFDF0901@127.0.0.1...  > > John Smith wrote:  > > >  > > > @ > > > "Hello and welcome to our technical session on clustering. > > > F > > > Without wanting to take up your valuable time on preamble, let's get  > > > started right away.  > > > @ > > > Here is a rundown of what is available in the marketplace:7 > > > a) IBM mainframe clusters work but are expensive. > > > > b) All unix, linux, and Microsoft clusters don't work as
 advertised3 > > > and aren't worth the money, time, and effort. @ > > > c) Clusters that define the industry standard (tm) are VMS clusters> > > > and we'll be spending the rest of this technical session
 discussing > > > them." > > A > > In reality I'm probably going to be slightly more tactful, in 	 order not E > > to be accused of being a XYZ product basher, I'll say what it can  and C > > can't do, and allow the listener to draw their own conclusions.  > D > Just be sure that you *know* what other clusters can and can't do. One to@ > be especially careful to understand is AIX clustering (and its distributed F > GPFS file system).  Another is the Veritas clustering product suite. And ofE > course be sure to be up to date on the newest clustering mechanisms  Sun 	 > offers.   C Then there is the matter of cost. Veritas is not cheap. By the time ; you factor in the Veritas licence costs, and the inevitable A finger-pointing between the o/s vendor and Veritas when something @ fails, it isn't worth the hassle if one can make a 'green field', decision about using VMS in the first place.   >  > > . > > Apart from that you're more or less right! > 8 > No, he isn't:  there are several Unix-style clustering implementations thatD > offer approximate functional equivalence to VMS's facilities (even DLMs: > > Tru64 acquired one recently, and AIX has had one for about a decade - andC > donated it to Linux a couple of years ago), though usually with a  bit moreF > set-up folderol and with fail-over times that tend to be measured in tens of  > seconds rather than seconds.  A IIRC, most failover in the unix world tends to be measured in the F order of 5+ minutes, and data loss/consistency may be more of an issueB depending on whether one is using a RDBMS, shadowing, 2PC, with or. without a TP monitor, or just the file system.  A And then there's the matter of the amount of effort to set-up and E maintain/monitor the cluster - think o/s upgrades too. VMS takes less A effort on all counts, and that equates to real money savings too.   B I know several organizations that have done the 3rd party softwareD routine or vendor-native in unixland, and their comments are that it> was harder to get working correctly and manage than the vendorB promised. None have had them going for any length of time yet, andF only one has put their cluster into production, with an uptime of lessC than 1 month thus far. Too early to know what the problems will be.   F The Illuminata article from last summer offers some useful information# on all this. Not exhaustive though.     . >Now that you've been notified, perhaps you'veE > got some studying to do if you don't want to run afoul of the trade  > descriptions act.   F He's not talking about 'bait and switch' - just heavy emphasis on VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:12:58 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>% Subject: Re: Conference On Clustering 2 Message-ID: <y_OdnSvfJ4tG4RujXTWcpw@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageB news:jytha.42712$KlE.36979@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...   ...   C > IIRC, most failover in the unix world tends to be measured in the  > order of 5+ minutes,  K You either remember incorrectly, or from rather a long time ago.  Fail-over J times under a minute are easy to achieve (at least when using a journalingE file system), and faster ones are possible with minor effort - though D getting it down to a few seconds (comparable to a lock-manager state transition) takes more.   2  and data loss/consistency may be more of an issueD > depending on whether one is using a RDBMS, shadowing, 2PC, with or0 > without a TP monitor, or just the file system.  F My FUD detector just went off, I'm afraid.  Transactional and databaseG products tend to be layered and tend to work (and recover) the same way I regardless of the underlying cluster mechanism, though of course ACMS and L RDB, having been specifically designed for VMS, are exceptions (OPS would beJ too, except that Oracle has now incorporated all the cluster functionalityK it needs into the product itself so that it can run elsewhere effectively). L Redundancy (shadowing/mirroring/parity groups) is not a cluster issue at allH per se (though it can become one when performed at the inter-host ratherF than drive-array level), nor is file-system/data integrity (since withH fail-over-style clustering the same mechanisms are used that are used toA maintain integrity in a single host after an unplanned shutdown).   K In other words, I think you're blowing smoke - unless you'd care to provide  some concrete examples.    > C > And then there's the matter of the amount of effort to set-up and G > maintain/monitor the cluster - think o/s upgrades too. VMS takes less C > effort on all counts, and that equates to real money savings too.   I If you'll reacquaint yourself with the post to which you responded you'll I see that its claim was *functional* equivalence (and it even specifically J pointed out that "a bit more set-up folderol" was often required).  I haveJ no objection if you want to boast about VMS, but please don't phrase it toJ imply that it's some form of rebuttal when it in no way qualifies as such.   ...   0 > >Now that you've been notified, perhaps you'veG > > got some studying to do if you don't want to run afoul of the trade  > > descriptions act.  > H > He's not talking about 'bait and switch' - just heavy emphasis on VMS.  K My reference was to misrepresenting the capabilities of the competition (as 	 you did).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:51:45 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: COV Sponsors ' Message-ID: <3E863FA1.C8D3348B@fsi.net>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > F > Does anyone else get a side bar with the COV sponser that says "help6 > in migrating off VMS to Linux and a few other OS's"?  4 Yes. Sector7 ads appear frequently on Google Groups.  F Jon whats-'is-name at one time came around to the old Free-VMS mailingA list, even going so far as forging his mail headers and using the E pseudonym "gib.senip@reknaw.com". Class guy, huh? (Apologies, Didier. G Sorry you had to hear it from me.) I can probably unearth a post or two $ and excerpt it, if anyone doubts me.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:54:22 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Default Gateway' Message-ID: <3E86403E.57C04C9F@fsi.net>    routerwoman wrote: > N > Is it possible to set up a default gateway on a VMS system.  I have a systemN > that's running RIPv1 just to talk to the one and only router in the network.G > Seems like a static route to the Gateway would stop all that chatter. 	 > Thanks.   D As others have noted, it depends on your TCP/IP stack just how to go about.  G Default gateway is a basic TCP/Ip configuration parameter and is always % recommended, and frequently required.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2003 12:22:39 -08006 From: dave.reynolds@gallatinsteel.com (David Reynolds)# Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested = Message-ID: <a813e962.0303291222.6e17980b@posting.google.com>   b Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote in message news:<3E85B967.1010304@Free.fr>...# > C			Video Terminal Space Invaders  > C < > C	Originally written in C by Jude Miller, 1979, Cambridge.: > C	Translated to FORTRAN-77 by Jonathan Boswell, July '81= > C	at the University of Virginia, Charlottesville, Virginia.  > C J > C	Machine dependent subroutines are SLEEP, CLEAR, MOVE, SPECIAL_GRAPHIC,E > C	and FUNCTION INCHAR.  These subroutines are written for a VAX/VMS / > C	operating system employing VT100 terminals.  > C  >------SNIP------- > 	SUBROUTINE SLEEP(TAG)D > C	Set timer and wait for TAG seconds.  TAG is a CHARACTER*5 stringG > C	of the form ##.##, which is the seconds, and hundredths of seconds. 6 > C	To delay game for 5 seconds, TAG would be '05.00'. > 	IMPLICIT INTEGER*4 (A-Z)  > 	EXTERNAL SS$_NORMAL > 	DOUBLE PRECISION TIME > 	CHARACTER DELTA_TIME*9,TAG*5  .... Shouldn't that be?  CHARACTER*9 DELTA_TIME   CHARACTER*5 TAG   David Reynolds   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:31:20 +0100 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> # Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested 4 Message-ID: <3e8602dd$0$28756$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   David Reynolds wrote:  >  > .... > Shouldn't that be? >  CHARACTER*9 DELTA_TIME  >  CHARACTER*5 TAG  ? No. If you have more than one variable to define, you may write  character*9 a,b,c Q but if the var are of different size, you have to specify the size after the var   name:    character a*5, b*10, c*5 etc   or   character*5 a, b*10, c   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:56:50 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> # Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested < Message-ID: <howard-009B43.18565029032003@enews.newsguy.com>  4 In article <3e858dd7$0$28763$626a54ce@news.free.fr>,3  PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> wrote:   O > I encounter some trouble porting a fortran/vax program to Alpha (no warnings   > at  - > compile time, either with or without /F77):  >  > $ run spcinv > ../..  > > > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  > address=000000000000( > 0030, PC=FFFFFFFF808E5380, PS=0000001B1 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows M >    image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC B >                                              0 0000000000000000 2 >                                 FFFFFFFF808E5380B >   SPCINV  INVADERS  SLEEP                  141 0000000000000ADC  >   0000000000030ADCB >   SPCINV  INVADERS  SPECIAL_GRAPHIC        579 0000000000002BB8  >   0000000000032BB8B >   SPCINV  INVADERS  MOVE                    42 00000000000003D0  >   00000000000303D0B >   SPCINV  INVADERS  INVADERS                27 0000000000000000  >   0000000000000000B >                                              0 FFFFFFFF802513D4 2 >                                 FFFFFFFF802513D4 > # > 132         SUBROUTINE SLEEP(TAG)   D Hunt down the call to SLEEP, and find out what's being used for the D argument.  The ACCVIO says it can't read the value of the variable, @ which appears at a VERY low address (read: most likely invalid).   --  4 Today, on Paper-view: The World Origami Championship   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2003 18:35 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) # Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested - Message-ID: <29MAR200318351004@gerg.tamu.edu>   8 Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> writes...5 }C                      Video Terminal Space Invaders  [etc.]  9 I compiled this. ($ fortran/extend/align=natural si.for )  I linked this.   ($ link si )  I ran this.      ($ run si )  
 No errors.   Compaq Fortran V7.3-965-44A1I  OpenVMS V7.2-1  E It runs so fast on an XP900 & DECterm (set to VT200 - the default for H a DECterm is VT300, which makes it produce an unrecognized terminal typeK message) that it is completely unplayable. You really need a SLEEP('00.05') J in every loop, or something along those lines. Once the game actually getsH started (i.e. it gets past all those SLEEP calls), it lasts for maybe 11G or 12 seconds before they get to the bottom of the screen and you loose E (it may be over slightly quicker than that if you don't hold down the H spacebar to make it fire a lot - it does shoot over half the aliens whenF doing this). It's also quite noisy (the laser firing beeps are more of a continuous screech).  F For a moment, I thought it might be the /EXTEND that I used that makesA it work for me but not you, but I tried it without that (and also ' without the /ALIGN) and it still works.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:04:03 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com># Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested 5 Message-ID: <1030329234346.8821A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   ! On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 PRSTSC wrote:   R > I encounter some trouble porting a fortran/vax program to Alpha (no warnings at - > compile time, either with or without /F77):  >  > $ run spcinv > ../..  > R > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000000000000( > 0030, PC=FFFFFFFF808E5380, PS=0000001B1 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows M >    image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC R >                                              0 0000000000000000 FFFFFFFF808E5380R >   SPCINV  INVADERS  SLEEP                  141 0000000000000ADC 0000000000030ADCR >   SPCINV  INVADERS  SPECIAL_GRAPHIC        579 0000000000002BB8 0000000000032BB8R >   SPCINV  INVADERS  MOVE                    42 00000000000003D0 00000000000303D0R >   SPCINV  INVADERS  INVADERS                27 0000000000000000 0000000000000000R >                                              0 FFFFFFFF802513D4 FFFFFFFF802513D4 > # > 132         SUBROUTINE SLEEP(TAG) N > 133 C       Set timer and wait for TAG seconds.  TAG is a CHARACTER*5 stringQ > 134 C       of the form ##.##, which is the seconds, and hundredths of seconds. @ > 135 C       To delay game for 5 seconds, TAG would be '05.00'.& > 136         IMPLICIT INTEGER*4 (A-Z)! > 137         EXTERNAL SS$_NORMAL # > 138         DOUBLE PRECISION TIME * > 139         CHARACTER DELTA_TIME*9,TAG*5 > 140 C > 141         DELTA_TIME='0 ::'//TAG          !Concatenate strings. L > 142         RET_STAT=SYS$BINTIM(DELTA_TIME,TIME)    !ASCII to binary time.B > 143         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'BINTIM failed.'O > 144         RET_STAT=SYS$SETIMR(,TIME,,)            !Set timer, event flag 0. B > 145         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'SETIMR failed.'Q > 146         RET_STAT=SYS$WAITFR(%VAL(0))            !Wait for flag 0 to be set. B > 147         IF(RET_STAT.NE.%LOC(SS$_NORMAL))STOP'WAITFR failed.' > 148         RETURN > 149         END  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > D.  C I don't think I'm a Fortran guru, not having programmed in it in 28 D years, but I think the problem is that the subroutine is lying aboutD TIME being a double-precision float.  It is really a 64-bit integer.  D On a VAX all bit patterns are legal floats (or at least the hardware@ doesn't complain about them when you MOVD them), but not true on? Alphas.  It "fixes" them.  Since TIME is really an int, any bit ? pattern is legal.  Some of the other followups imply there is a > floating point exception occuring somewhere in the background.  A I don't know how or if you can use 64-bit (Quad) ints in Fortran, = but it seems very likely to me.  If not, maybe you can create = a 2-element 32-bit (Long) int array in a common, and point to , the 1st element instead of using the DOUBLE?   P.S. Great project!   ? But I found that since losing hardwired terminals, (LAT instead > of DZ's), the response of interactive games became too erratic> to make playing pleasureable.  I think a DECterm would be even> worse.  In space invaders, I would fire a couple of test shots? to guage the relative speed of the target and the missile, then ? fire again when the target got to the right point (I would hide C behind a shield, pop out, fire and pop back.)  On LAT, the response B was always a little jerky, so I would start missing a lot.  In theD early rounds, I could move and fire again, but in later rounds, when/ things were moving faster, this was impossible.   A I could be mis-remembering my strategy- I don't think I've played = since our 11/780 went away, ten years ago almost to the day -  13-MAR-1993.  :-(    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:05:19 +0200 1 From: PRSTSC::DTL <Didier.Morandi.nospam@Free.fr> # Subject: Re: Fortran Guru requested 4 Message-ID: <3e868962$0$28780$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   Carl Perkins wrote:   ; > I compiled this. ($ fortran/extend/align=natural si.for )  > I linked this.   ($ link si )  > I ran this.      ($ run si ) >  > No errors. >  > Compaq Fortran V7.3-965-44A1I  > OpenVMS V7.2-1    + DTL02> fortran/extend/align=natural spcinv2  DTL02> lin spcinv2 DTL02> run spcinv2  & Attention: Alien invasion in progress!  3 Instructions:   <1>     to move the laser base left /                  <2>     to halt the laser base 5                  <3>     to move the laser base right -                  <space> to fire a laser beam                    <Q>     to quit  *          Type:   <1>     to play Bloodbath1                  <2>     to play We Come in Peace 7                  <3>     to play Invasion of the Aliens 8                  <4>     to play Invisible Alien Weasels 1   ( I run faster in VT52 mode.  To set, type  SET TERM/VT52   (and that's all)* from DCL level.  Otherwise, wait a moment.  P %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000000000000& 0030, PC=FFFFFFFF808E5380, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows K    image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC P                                              0 0000000000000000 FFFFFFFF808E5380P   SPCINV2  INVADERS  SLEEP                 141 0000000000000ADC 0000000000030ADCP   SPCINV2  INVADERS  SPECIAL_GRAPHIC       579 0000000000002BB8 0000000000032BB8P   SPCINV2  INVADERS  MOVE                   42 00000000000003D0 00000000000303D0P   SPCINV2  INVADERS  INVADERS               27 0000000000000000 0000000000000000P                                              0 FFFFFFFF802513D4 FFFFFFFF802513D4 DTL02> sh symb for= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  DTL02> sh symb fortran= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  DTL02> prod sh prod < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATE < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA B1.1             Full LP     Installed 9 CPQ AXPVMS VEST T1.2                Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3     Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.4-2            Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS FORTRAN V7.4-2           Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS JAVA131 V1.3-14          Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS MMOV V2.2                Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.3             Platform    Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.1-15            Full LP     Installed 9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3                 Oper System Installed < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------   11 items found   ???    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:21:26 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> , Subject: RE: Help converting Alpha NT to VMST Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660EBB@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Norm,   E May not apply, but on some older Alpha's, I had some issues with SCSI ( and the console parameter SCSI_RESET.=20  E Increasing this seemed to make config and booting easier. As I recall F (and memory is foggy here) it has to do with how long the console willG wait after a SCSI reset (init or boot) before trying to access the SCSI C bus - thereby allowing more time for self tests on SCSI adapter and  drives to complete.    >>> show SCSI_RESET  >>> set SCSI_RESET 6   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM    -----Original Message-----1 From: Norm Taylor [mailto:nrt@nxrt.cncdsl.com]=20  Sent: March 28, 2003 7:41 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( Subject: Help converting Alpha NT to VMS    E I'm converting a PWS500au from it's original NT configuration to VMS. F I've make quite a bit of progress, including switching to the SRM bootC prompt, replacing the SCSI adaptor with one that is VMS compatible, G replacing the IDE CD drive with a SCSI CD, and replacing the video card   with one that is VMS compatible.  G My problem now is that at the boot prompt, when I do "show config", the H SCSI hard disk drives do not show up. The new SCSI CD show up, so I know= the adaptor is alive and generally working. The SCSI cable is 6 terminated, and I've checked the SCSI address jumpers.   Help!    thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:49:23 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>7 Subject: Re: Legato vs TSM for VMS backup pros and cons 5 Message-ID: <1030330002420.8821C-100000@Ives.egh.com>   " On 29 Mar 2003, PROSULLIVAN wrote:  O > Given the not very enviable choice between Legato and TSM for VMS backups, is  > it right that  > K > a) both products cannot do true image backups (eg for legato: you have to Q > restore to seperate system disk and issue a 'writeboot.exe' - um, not sure if I L > would trust that in a critical restore situation, especially if I wanted a > point in time backup)  > I > b) both product's support for VAXes is questionable...like, Legato have  > shuffled about the answer. > Q > Oh, and no I don't want to do local tape backups on dat, dlt etc on hundreds of 8 > local servers unless I double the amount of operators. >  > Thanks  H One customer uses ADSM (I think this is an old name for Tivoli) for siteD backup.  Our app, running on a cluster of 2 VAX 66x0's, is forced toE use it.  Apart from not supporting true image backups (they attempted E once to recover the system disk to a scratch disk and never got it to D work), and occasional performance glitches, it seems to work okay.    @ ABC (the VMS client software, from someplace called SSSI, IIRC),B actually worked better than I at first expected.  It required lessD heavy-handed bashing to get it to do what we wanted than I expected.  ? We keep old transaction and update history for about 18 months. < About 6 months are online, and our application automatically= retreives the older stuff from ADSM on demand.  This seems to D work fine, at least since we got them to keep the "18 month archive"F for 18 months instead of 35 days (misconfigured ADSM server - that was an adventure...)  2 VAX support seems to be on par with Alpha support.  B BTW, about the system disk - I expect with some help (and possiblyC manually fixing aliasing problems) we could get it to recover okay, D but I think in real life if we ever lose it (shadowed, and extremelyC static since there is nothing but VMS on it), it would be easier to ? do a fresh install of VMS, restore the system startup files and @ authorization files (which we backup separately and frequently),@ re-create the queue database (we have a command file to do this,> and it isn't that hairy - a dozen queues, not hundreds...) and? it'll be back quicker than trying to de-muck a non-image backup  of the system disk.   # I don't know anything about Legato.   < The customer is currently mumbling about NetBackup.  Is this? the same as Legato or a third product?  Should I be relieved or % should I run screaming from the room?    --   John Santos    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:02:05 GMT 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> ' Subject: Re: Macs vs. Pathworks et. al. ? Message-ID: <72bcfada4b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   + In message <b62qae12o0v@enews3.newsguy.com> =           "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:   > > Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:J > >    I know my Mac's can see MS servers at work.  If I set up the latestM > >    Pathworks or Advanced Server on my home cluster, will my Macs be able  K > >    to see its services?  (I don't want to try to track down and use the > > >    old version of Pathworks that supported Mac protocols). > - > >    (OBTW the Macs are running OS 8 or X).  > N > I *think* the Mac's running OS X should be able to via Samba.  I think SambaJ > now comes as part of Mac OS X (I've yet to buy 10.2 as I'm still feeling0 > really negative about where the Mac is going). > G > The Mac's running Mac OS 8 would need your home cluster to be running H > Pathworks/Mac or whatever it's called.  I don't know about running theM > latest Pathworks or Advanced Server, but I do know that when I tried using oJ > Mac OS 8.x and DAVE (software that lets the Mac talk to Windows systems)L > that I was unable to access the Samba shares on my cluster.  Shortly afterI > that attempt I loaded Pathworks/Mac on my Main VMS server and have beeneK > using that without any problem.  I also use it so that the VMS server can G > print to my HP5MP LaserJet, and I've even got Samba setup to act as a $ > printserver printing to the HP5MP.  L Which reminds me that we had a problem with Dave which we never did resolve.  D We had a number of NT servers, some of which were multihomed (into 3F different Class C networks as a temp measure to avoid routing while weG planned the move into a private Class A network). Dave could access thePE single-homed servers, but not the multihomed ones. Ping worked - Dave- didn't.      > M > For Mac OS X you don't really need the added overhead of Pathworks/AdvancednN > Server, as you should simply be able to turn on NFS and mount the disks that > way. > K > BTW, the MS servers at work that you mention might very well be exportingFK > the data via Appletalk, unless you're running Mac OS X and accessing themF > via Samba. > 	 > 			Zane  >    --  
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:56:20 +1200E From: "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz>u$ Subject: Re: Microsoft virus warning4 Message-ID: <FVtha.40129$jE3.894905@news.xtra.co.nz>  = "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote in messagee) news:3E8602ED.C5A8405D@vl.videotron.ca...eH > Got an official looking Email , supposedly from Microsoft, advising me thatJ > the email contained important security patches to be applied to internet	 explorer.  >0K > If you have a large number of users, you might want to warn them of this.r   So, what's new?-  7 Some (most?) ISPs (including mine) either shoot it downc4 outright with a note sent to you about what happened: or give you an option to either do it manually or download it at your own risk.  = Just this morning there was an e-mail virus sent [apparently]n& to everyone in c.l.a newsgroup :-) So?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:32:57 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>$ Subject: OT: Microsoft virus warning/ Message-ID: <3E8602ED.C5A8405D@vl.videotron.ca>w  K Got an official looking Email , supposedly from Microsoft, advising me thatlR the email contained important security patches to be applied to internet explorer.  J This, of course, is a spam when you carefully look at the headers, and godE only knows what that .exe really does (for some reason, the VMS imagee/ activator doesn't seem to be able to run it :-)S  I If you have a large number of users, you might want to warn them of this.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:48:13 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>m( Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft virus warning2 Message-ID: <3E865ADE.B04E92FC@firstdbasource.com>   JF Mezei wrote:n > M > Got an official looking Email , supposedly from Microsoft, advising me thateT > the email contained important security patches to be applied to internet explorer. > L > This, of course, is a spam when you carefully look at the headers, and godG > only knows what that .exe really does (for some reason, the VMS imagee1 > activator doesn't seem to be able to run it :-), > K > If you have a large number of users, you might want to warn them of this.o  < yea, I get 2-3 of these per day.  What a waste of my time... --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:04:03 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>d/ Subject: RE: TCPIP Services and IP masqueradingaT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF403FB5B74@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Tom,  A >>> What is the difference between B and G?  Must be 2.4GHz if it> backward compatible, no?<<<   
 Reference:0 http://www.linksys.com/edu/wirelessstandards.asp   Regards0  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcom-     (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)b OpenVMS DCL - the original .COMw     -----Original Message-----+ From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]=20n Sent: March 29, 2003 12:57 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma/ Subject: RE: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading0    F What is the difference between B and G?  Must be 2.4GHz if it backward compatible, no?i     >-----Original Message-----n- >From: Main, Kerry [mailto:Kerry.Main@hp.com] ' >Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:31 AMg >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: RE: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading >u >V >Paul, > ; ><<<Seriously though, a router is the easiest solution ..>>d >iE >Yep, I agree - I just installed Linksys WRT54G router (Wireless-G=20eH >broadband router-$200Cdn) and so far it works great. Linksys says up to  F >5 times throughput improvement over Wireless-B (even if its only 3=20 >times, that is ok with me). > H >With Wireless-G Linksys PCMCIA adapter ($100Cdn) on my laptop, I get=20J >great throughput and range anywhere in the house. It also has 4 direct=20H >hardwire ports and acts as DHCP server for house as well. Compatibility  F >with Wireless-B standard as well. Works with no issues with my VPN=20J >connections into HP. Approx 7 systems (mix of PC's and VMS servers) on=20J >my internal home LAN. Only minor issue is that you might have to tweak=20A >the wireless speed to see which one performs best in your house.t >  >Reference:=20J >http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=3D33&scid=3D35&prid=3D5= 08 >nH >Its great being able to work online reading email and browsing Internet  & >from living room table with no wires. > H >Of course, overall throughput will be limited by the speed of the cable  D >modem, but with these being cranked up over time, the Wireless-G=20/ >provides me with some headroom for the future.  >y- >Btw - Linksys was just bought by Cisco ..=20a7 >http://www.linksys.com/splash/cisco_linksys_splash.asp  >  >Regards >s >Kerry Mainu >Senior Consultant >Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Co.t" >Consulting & Integration Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax   : 613-591-4477p >Email: kerryDOTmain@hpDOTcomp. >    (remove the DOT's and replace with "."'s)  >OpenVMS DCL - the original .COM >  >  >-----Original Message-----a1 >From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]  >Sent: March 29, 2003 9:05 AM. >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading >o > : >In article <Iqhha.31228$k8.905471@twister.austin.rr.com>,. >LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:- >> Patrick Young (P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU) wrote:,B >> : The quick answer I guess is yes/no (gateway yes, Masq - no) ? >> : >> : However...h >> :H >> : At home, I have a cable modem connected to a hub which is connectedH >> : to my OpenVMS Alpha system (OpenVMS 7.3-1/TCPIP Services 5.3) and aE >> : Linux laptop (yes, I know I said I would not buy Intel, uh hum -g >stuff,tJ >> : but it is running Redhat 8 and Window(tm) is nowhere near it's hdd=20 >> - >I: >> : need to get to my OpenVMS boxen while on the move :-) >> :G >> : Telstra (ISP) only allow one computer at a time to authenticate to E >> : their gateway. While at home I'm always using my OpenVMS desktop H >> : box, however at the same time I would like to use my laptop to workE >> : on OpenVMS/Tru64 systems at work (or the box at home)/browse thelE >> : internet/whatever while moving to another chair for watching TV, E >> : eating, laying in bed, etc. No, I don't really want to buy a NATr	 >> : box.a >> :=20i >>=20 D >> Any reason why you don't want to buy a DSL/Cable router like a=20' >> Linksys BEFSR41 or a Netgear RP614 ?e >n& >Because he's got a _cable_ modem? :-) >hH >Seriously though, a router is the easiest solution and allows you to do  J >the above anywhere around the house end even outside, subject to cable=20  >length (30 metres does for me). >m >>=20t/ >> There are Linux-based & BSD-based solutions:a >>=20o >>    http://www.freesco.org/a7 >>    FREESCO - free replacement for commercial routerse >>=20c >>    http://www.closedbsd.org/t >>    ClosedBSD: Homee >>=20eH >> I went with the Linksys solution because I didn't want to pay for the+ >> power to run an old 486 all of the time.l >>=20m5 >> --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)n< >>   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email >--c >i >--  >Paul Stures >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.n; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).tA >Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003V >t ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:54:35 -0400e0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masqueradingL/ Message-ID: <3E85DDDA.2232A66C@vl.videotron.ca>h   Patrick Young wrote:B > eating, laying in bed, etc. No, I don't really want to buy a NAT > box.  ) Why ? It would save you a LOT of hassles.-  H Not sure how yr ISP configures your modem, but here, the modem will onlyM transmit DHCP requests that come from the firt N ethernet adresses it sees one< your LAN, where N is the number of IP addresses you pay for.  J So, if you pay for a single IP address, your modem will only work with theN first ethernet address it sees on your lan. This means that after you power upM the modem, if the first traffic it *sees* on the lan is a packet sent by youraK laptop to your vax, then only your laptop will be able to talk to your ISP.y (and vice versa).    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:57:53 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading 2 Message-ID: <3E85ECA4.50C8E504@firstdbasource.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  > i > In article <Iqhha.31228$k8.905471@twister.austin.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:.. > > Patrick Young (P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU) wrote:C > > : The quick answer I guess is yes/no (gateway yes, Masq - no) ?i > > :a > > : However... > > :hI > > : At home, I have a cable modem connected to a hub which is connectedyI > > : to my OpenVMS Alpha system (OpenVMS 7.3-1/TCPIP Services 5.3) and a M > > : Linux laptop (yes, I know I said I would not buy Intel, uh hum - stuff,-L > > : but it is running Redhat 8 and Window(tm) is nowhere near it's hdd - I; > > : need to get to my OpenVMS boxen while on the move :-)  > > :tH > > : Telstra (ISP) only allow one computer at a time to authenticate toF > > : their gateway. While at home I'm always using my OpenVMS desktopI > > : box, however at the same time I would like to use my laptop to work F > > : on OpenVMS/Tru64 systems at work (or the box at home)/browse theF > > : internet/whatever while moving to another chair for watching TV,F > > : eating, laying in bed, etc. No, I don't really want to buy a NAT
 > > : box. > > :a > >oJ > > Any reason why you don't want to buy a DSL/Cable router like a Linksys  > > BEFSR41 or a Netgear RP614 ? > ' > Because he's got a _cable_ modem? :-)o > F > Seriously though, a router is the easiest solution and allows you toE > do the above anywhere around the house end even outside, subject toi' > cable length (30 metres does for me).f >   E Unless you get a wireless router and use a wireless connection in thee laptop... works for me..    H And as previously stated, use a Linksys or ... Router and have it do the? authentication.   I currently have 1 VMS, 1 Linux, 2 laptops (1xB wireless) and 3 PC's (2 of those are wireless) on a 4-Port LinksysE Router + Wireless + additional 8-port Hub on DSL.  I did have 2 linuxtC boxes, but one of those went toes up after I moved.  I have had the/G BEFSR41 for several years and have updated the firmware on an as needede basis.  Very simple to do...   <snippage removed>   -- r Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:14:39 GMT ; From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <jon-nope@thiswontworkossc.net> / Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading = Message-ID: <zgmha.21912$TW2.3367433@news1.news.adelphia.net>   8 "leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message3 news:Iqhha.31228$k8.905471@twister.austin.rr.com...e, > Patrick Young (P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU) wrote:A > : The quick answer I guess is yes/no (gateway yes, Masq - no) ?  > :h > : However... > :cG > : At home, I have a cable modem connected to a hub which is connectedoG > : to my OpenVMS Alpha system (OpenVMS 7.3-1/TCPIP Services 5.3) and atK > : Linux laptop (yes, I know I said I would not buy Intel, uh hum - stuff, J > : but it is running Redhat 8 and Window(tm) is nowhere near it's hdd - I9 > : need to get to my OpenVMS boxen while on the move :-)d > :yF > : Telstra (ISP) only allow one computer at a time to authenticate toD > : their gateway. While at home I'm always using my OpenVMS desktopG > : box, however at the same time I would like to use my laptop to workoD > : on OpenVMS/Tru64 systems at work (or the box at home)/browse theD > : internet/whatever while moving to another chair for watching TV,D > : eating, laying in bed, etc. No, I don't really want to buy a NAT > : box. > :  > H > Any reason why you don't want to buy a DSL/Cable router like a Linksys > BEFSR41 or a Netgear RP614 ? >i. > There are Linux-based & BSD-based solutions: >S >    http://www.freesco.org/6 >    FREESCO - free replacement for commercial routers >u >    http://www.closedbsd.org/ >    ClosedBSD: Home >sC > I went with the Linksys solution because I didn't want to pay for.. > the power to run an old 486 all of the time. >o4 > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own); >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaili  L I've got a cable modem and am using the linksys BEFSR41 as well and it worksK VERY well.  I have three VMS systems, one NT, 5 Windoz (two are wireless) a-J LAN color laser printer and an HP 50X print server for the inkjet/scanner.  H The cable modem is a Motorola -- and an important thing that you need toK know --> the cable modem binds to one MAC address on the LAN when it startspJ up, so others cannot talk to it once its bound.  With the linksys in there4 it becomes the only MAC address and does NAT for me.  G The linksys does dhcp for me so I don't need another system to be up to L handle that (although I do have a few fixed addresses on my network as well,C which you could do, too).  The linksys also has the ability to emitaK information to a host and port about the incoming and outgoing connections,.6 so if you want to monitor the network it's easy to do.   -John.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:24:13 GMT-1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>:/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masqueradingD2 Message-ID: <3E85F2CF.446CCF13@firstdbasource.com>   Tom Linden wrote:6 > ? > What is the difference between B and G?  Must be 2.4GHz if itM > backward compatible, no?   <stuff snipped for readability>F  E From: http://www.80211-planet.com/tutorials/article.php/1009431 (usesi Java)   F       802.11g is an extension to 802.11b, the basis of the majority of<       wireless LANs in existence today. 802.11g will broadenC       802.11b's data rates to 54 Mbps within the 2.4 GHz band usingLC       OFDM (orthogonal frequency division multiplexing) technology.uC       Because of backward compatibility, an 802.11b radio card willVF       interface directly with an 802.11g access point (and vice versa)C       at 11 Mbps or lower depending on range. You should be able to ;       upgrade the newer 802.11b access points to be 802.11gs6       compliant via relatively easy firmware upgrades.    G Wireless G is 54Mb/sec...  I had a discussion with someone while at theCG local electronics super store concerning b/g versions... Currently G isCG a lot more expensive than 802.11b, but, let's put into perspective. The- questions to ask are:   F what am I going to do on my network?		802.11B                802.11G  > 		a) Surfing?                       Y                       OvB 		b) Email?                         Y                       Ov    ) 		c) gaming                         Y    A= 		   c1) internal only              Y                       Yt> 		   c2) external via internet      Y                       Ov   (Y)ese (Ov)erkill i  E Why is internal only the "only" reason for G?  Well unless you have arG DS3 (45Mb/sec) line to your house, the best you can do is ~1.5Mb/sec on-G surfing, email and internet gaming.  So 11Mb/sec is still significantlyoB better throughput than you will get on your broadband connection..F unless you happen to be on a very liberal cable operator that will get you up to a whopping 6Mb/sec.c  D If you are doing inTRAnet gaming and all systems are running at thatH speed, then you may see some performance improvement, otherwise IMHO you are just wasting your money.   -- h Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:22:41 -0400F0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading / Message-ID: <3E85F27A.AFB514D7@vl.videotron.ca>   , > >Btw - Linksys was just bought by Cisco ..9 > >http://www.linksys.com/splash/cisco_linksys_splash.aspA  M My image of Lynksys was of a very low end product without Microsoft levels ofII quality. Seems to me that acquiring Lynksys would decrease Cisco's image.3  H Interesting ttay Nortel decided to spin off Netgear  whereas Cisco would acquire a low end player.I  < Then again, perhaps Nortel had no choice but to sell assets.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:19:19 -060081 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>F/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masquerading ' Message-ID: <3E864617.DD1DF0E4@fsi.net>    Patrick Young wrote: > ? > The quick answer I guess is yes/no (gateway yes, Masq - no) ?i >  > However... > E > At home, I have a cable modem connected to a hub which is connectedaE > to my OpenVMS Alpha system (OpenVMS 7.3-1/TCPIP Services 5.3) and a-I > Linux laptop (yes, I know I said I would not buy Intel, uh hum - stuff, H > but it is running Redhat 8 and Window(tm) is nowhere near it's hdd - I7 > need to get to my OpenVMS boxen while on the move :-)e > D > Telstra (ISP) only allow one computer at a time to authenticate to > their gateway. [snip](  F Then a broadband router/firewall would be ideal for you. One device  -@ the router - authenticates to your ISP (probably PPPoE) and thenF provides NAT to the rest of your home LAN. Smaller, cheaper and easier9 to run than another entire computer just for routing/NAT.e  D I use the dial-up equivalent here, a 3com 56K LANmodem and have fiveD computers on-line, six when you include the laptop my group just got
 from work.   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:21:50 -0500r  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>/ Subject: Re: TCPIP Services and IP masqueradingo5 Message-ID: <1030330001120.8821B-100000@Ives.egh.com>i  * On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Michael Austin wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:  > > A > > What is the difference between B and G?  Must be 2.4GHz if it  > > backward compatible, no? > ! > <stuff snipped for readability>i > G > From: http://www.80211-planet.com/tutorials/article.php/1009431 (uses- > Java)  > H >       802.11g is an extension to 802.11b, the basis of the majority of> >       wireless LANs in existence today. 802.11g will broadenE >       802.11b's data rates to 54 Mbps within the 2.4 GHz band usingnE >       OFDM (orthogonal frequency division multiplexing) technology.sE >       Because of backward compatibility, an 802.11b radio card willvH >       interface directly with an 802.11g access point (and vice versa)E >       at 11 Mbps or lower depending on range. You should be able toT= >       upgrade the newer 802.11b access points to be 802.11go8 >       compliant via relatively easy firmware upgrades. >  > I > Wireless G is 54Mb/sec...  I had a discussion with someone while at theEI > local electronics super store concerning b/g versions... Currently G is0I > a lot more expensive than 802.11b, but, let's put into perspective. The2 > questions to ask are:  > H > what am I going to do on my network?		802.11B                802.11G  @ > 		a) Surfing?                       Y                       OvD > 		b) Email?                         Y                       Ov    + > 		c) gaming                         Y     ? > 		   c1) internal only              Y                       Yr@ > 		   c2) external via internet      Y                       Ov   		d) VMS Cluster			  M			  Y >  > (Y)esh
 > (Ov)erkill    B (M)aybe - Okay but not terrific if you really are getting the full@ 11Mb/sec and aren't sharing too much of the bandwidth with otherB things.  (10Mb clustering seems to work okay once we got a switch,F so the nodes didn't see all the PC traffic, but died (temporary quorumE loss) frequently before that.  Shared 11Mb ought to be have very muchTF like shared 10Mb, and I'm pretty sure that 802.11x behaves like a true5 broadcast medium, since it is literally broadcasting.S   > G > Why is internal only the "only" reason for G?  Well unless you have a.I > DS3 (45Mb/sec) line to your house, the best you can do is ~1.5Mb/sec on(I > surfing, email and internet gaming.  So 11Mb/sec is still significantly.D > better throughput than you will get on your broadband connection..H > unless you happen to be on a very liberal cable operator that will get > you up to a whopping 6Mb/sec.2 > F > If you are doing inTRAnet gaming and all systems are running at thatJ > speed, then you may see some performance improvement, otherwise IMHO you > are just wasting your money. >  > --  
 > Regards, > 8 > Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19849 > First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163  >  >    --   John Santosl Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:10:54 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r8 Subject: Re: Three questions re: the VMS startup process' Message-ID: <3E86360E.35886CBF@fsi.net>n   Paul Sture wrote:a > d > In article <843706dc.0303281351.4d29d18c@posting.google.com>, horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn) writes:G > > What I do to know what the systartup_vms.com file does, is have thenI > > output go to a log file, then I can look at it after the system is upa. > > and try to figure out what the problem is: > >w) > > At the begining of SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM:t > >l+ > > $! Setup log file for SYSTARTUP_VMS.COMe< > > $   If "''STOP_RECURSION'" .NES. "" THEN GOTO DO_STARTUP > > $   STOP_RECURSION == "YES"  > > $   SET VERIFYQ > > $   @SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM/OUT=SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.LOG  > > - K > >         "''P1'","''P2'","''P3'","''P4'","''P5'","''P6'","''P7'","''P8'"wA > > $   PURGE/KEEP=1/NOLOG SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.LOGi > > $   SET NOVERIFY > > $   EXIT > > $DO_STARTUP: > > $ SET NOON > G > Sorry, I don't like that. For a start, you will have to re-apply your G > edits each time SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM is updated on an updgrade, possibly- > even some future ECO.,  6 SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM is not replaced on an upgrade. A newF SYSTARTUP_VMS.TEMPLATE is provided, but the existing SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM is left untouched...  0 ...since about V5.3 or so, as I recall (IIRC)...   -- d David J. Dachterax dba DJE Systemsl http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:06:31 -0600/1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r) Subject: Re: VAX XDM, help needed please!p' Message-ID: <3E864317.87A6F54F@fsi.net>v   Diego CLAEYS wrote:  >  > Hi OpenVMS gurus!t > , > Here is a question from a newbie hobbyist,J > I have a VAX 4000-300 without display card, I have installed OpenVMS 7.30 > with DECWindows 1.2.6 (Motif) and TCPWARE 5.6.F > I would like to know if it is possible to have XDM running on my vaxF > (without display) and have a graphical login on my PC (OpenBSD) with > something like X -query??? >  > [snip] >  > Help, please help !!!r  C You might want to try the vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware newsgroup,L also.   E By chance do you have a support contract on TCPware? If so, you couldm" e-mail support at process dot com.   --   David J. Dachtera, dba DJE SystemsA http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:54:31 +10000L From: forSALTsythm@optushome.com.aSALTu (Mark(desalinate for e-mail)Forsyth)) Subject: Re: VAX XDM, help needed please!I: Message-ID: <slrnb8cg25.4a1.forSALTsythm@plague.bogus.com>  V On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:50:10 GMT, Diego CLAEYS <diego.claeys@pandora.be> gushed forth: >Hi OpenVMS gurus! >I+ >Here is a question from a newbie hobbyist,0I >I have a VAX 4000-300 without display card, I have installed OpenVMS 7.3D/ >with DECWindows 1.2.6 (Motif) and TCPWARE 5.6.DE >I would like to know if it is possible to have XDM running on my vaxrE >(without display) and have a graphical login on my PC (OpenBSD) withT >something like X -query???-  D I think that the problem isn't with OpenVMS - it's with the BSD box.A You need to allow your OpenVMS box access to the OpenBSD display.-D Using XFree86 under Linux I need to do an "xhost +" (without quotes)B first. WHat's in the logs on the BSD box ? That may well provide a bit more help.     >D >FYI:H >_< >Connectivity is OK = I can ping www.google.com from my VAX.H >DECWindows transport is OK = TCPIP = I can export the display with "SET( >DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=.../TRANSPORT=TCPIPM >XDM is up and running because when I try a "X -query vax", the VAX react butL* >I have this in this in the XDM_SERVER.LOG > 9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-MAR-2003 11:45:37.97  %%%%%%%%%%%   >Message from user SYSTEM on VAX0 >%TCPware_XDM-I-DEBUG, received REQUEST (len 89) >  >E9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-MAR-2003 11:45:38.01  %%%%%%%%%%%-  >Message from user SYSTEM on VAXF >%TCPware_XDM-I-DEBUG, got 0x213268 (len 18 name "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1")    < This is what leads me to think that an xhost + or equivilent
 is needed.   >K >y9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-MAR-2003 11:45:38.11  %%%%%%%%%%%S  >Message from user SYSTEM on VAX9 >%TCPware_XDM-I-DEBUG, computed display name: localhost:0m >  >a9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-MAR-2003 11:45:38.13  %%%%%%%%%%%i  >Message from user SYSTEM on VAX: >%TCPware_XDM-I-STARTSESSION, starting display localhost:0    B This seems strange, to me anyway - I'm probably missing something.< Looks like it thinks the display is the OpenVMS box display.  	 [deletia]r   >i >t9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-MAR-2003 11:45:40.33  %%%%%%%%%%%l  >Message from user SYSTEM on VAXG >%TCPware_XDM-I-TERMSESSION, session for display localhost:0 terminated  >  >r9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-MAR-2003 11:45:44.08  %%%%%%%%%%%o  >Message from user SYSTEM on VAX2 >%TCPware_XDM-I-DEBUG, session ID 27152004 refused >y >m9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  29-MAR-2003 11:45:44.10  %%%%%%%%%%%   >Message from user SYSTEM on VAX+ >%TCPware_XDM-I-DEBUG, send REFUSE 27152004y    B It seems certain that the targetted display refused the connection
 from this.   >. >Help, please help !!!    @ I hope I haven't muddied the waters any more. Give xhost + a try% on your BSD box and see what happens.  >t >      -- o Oorooi	 Mark F...i  $ Another Optus Cable Traffic Monitor.3 http://www.members.optushome.com.au/forsythm/traff/   B Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 16th day of Discord in the YOLD 3169   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:03:39 -0600p1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>k@ Subject: Re: VMS Software Product & Online Documentation Library' Message-ID: <3E86426B.71EC8C71@fsi.net>    "Gary L. Ross" wrote:d > E > I have all the CD's for VMS Software Product & Online Documentation-D > Library for Alpha and Vax.  How much retention time is recommendedF > for these CD updates??  1 year? 5 years? Since day 1?  I'm trying toB > do some "housekeeping" on the manuals and media we have for VMS.  C I'd recommend keeping as many versions of the media as you have theaE space for. Many software products have been dropped from the SPL (fka @ "CONDIST"), and can only be found on older issues of the media.   G A colleague and former co-worker recently remarkd that he needs to findeB his Polycenter Console Manager media. PCM was dropped from the SPL$ shortly after it was hijacked by CA.   -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems' http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:31:29 -0600 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>@ Subject: Re: VMS Software Product & Online Documentation Library2 Message-ID: <MMOdnb0O8vZDyhujXTWc-g@speakeasy.net>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > "Gary L. Ross" wrote:o > E >>I have all the CD's for VMS Software Product & Online DocumentationnD >>Library for Alpha and Vax.  How much retention time is recommendedF >>for these CD updates??  1 year? 5 years? Since day 1?  I'm trying toB >>do some "housekeeping" on the manuals and media we have for VMS. >  > E > I'd recommend keeping as many versions of the media as you have thebG > space for. Many software products have been dropped from the SPL (fkanB > "CONDIST"), and can only be found on older issues of the media.  > I > A colleague and former co-worker recently remarkd that he needs to find D > his Polycenter Console Manager media. PCM was dropped from the SPL& > shortly after it was hijacked by CA. >   G I'll second that.  We still have some customers on older VMS versions,  H and at least a couple times a year I find myself delving into the older 7 CONDISTS to find a specific prior version of a product.f  F Also note that the older distributions can still bring a few bucks on I Ebay if you want to spend the time; if not, as others have mentioned, it iI would still be a good deed to try and make them available to someone who , can still use them.t   Rich Jordan    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:59:15 -0600t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>tB Subject: Re: Which PAK for DECNET Phase IV under Hobbyist Program?' Message-ID: <3E864163.6162CC81@fsi.net>-   Paul Sture wrote:u > ` > In article <slrnb8b820.qg.dsf@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>, Dan Foster <dsf@globalcrossing.net> writes:H > > Thanks to all who followed up. I registered and loaded DVNETEND, andO > > then installed DECNET Phase IV, started it, added proxy entries. Everything L > > appears to be working great. This is a single system, no other VMS boxesA > > or routing needed so it's no great loss not to have DVNETRTG.: > > K > > Just curious about something...the Hobbyist program also provides a PAKr) > > called DVNETEXT. What's that one for?3 > >g > ) > I believe that is for DECnet-Plus. Frome9 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/72final/6496/6496pro.HTMLo > N > "The specific license required on your system is determined by the functions > you want to use: > H > o - Basic function license (DVNETEND) --- provides end system support. > M > o - Extended function license (DVNETEXT) for Alpha systems --- provides end H >     system support, DECdts server, cluster alias, and OSI applications >     gateways.r > K > o - Extended function license (DVNETRTG) for VAX systems --- provides endvJ >     system support, DECdns server, DECdts server, cluster alias, and OSI >     applications gateways.  H AFAIK, (I'll see if I can unearth the DECnet-IV doc.'s), DVNETEXT serves these purposes:r  F On VAX, it permits a VAX executor to function as router within an area@ (synchronous links to remote LANs, etc.) A VAX area routing node requires the DVNETRTG PAK.  F On Alpha, DVNETEXT permits mutliple DECnet lines/circuits to be active7 simultaneously (DECnet Alpha does not provide routing).   3 ...again AFAIK. I am open to correction, of course.l   -- a David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.175 ************************